The Good Men Project with Exec Editor Wilhelm Cortez TPP81

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Wilhelm Cortez PicIn this episode I’m joined by Wilhelm Cortez, a dear Portland Gutter Punx brother from back in the day who has since become an Executive Editor at The Good Men Project. Wilhelm was a key factor in the origin story of Tantra Punk as he ran a profile piece on my  “coming out” as a wounded sexual healer. It was a pleasure to learn more about his life journey and how he’s playing a vital role in evolving the discourse around modern masculinity. We share a deep comradery in finding purposeful right livelihood after years on the front lines of protest movements.

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Here are the Facebook groups he mentions in the episode:
Stop Racism SIG Facebook Group
Post-Election Rebuilding Facebook Group
Environmental SIG Facebook Group
Non-Heteronormative Parenting Facebook Group

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 81 on Skype with Wilhelm Cortez who go back with pretty far now almost what 20 years at least into the Portland gutter Punk tribe and he’s been a beautiful inspiration to me over the years we’ve we had some beautiful experiences also in the forest defense community in the Northwest and we’ve yeah I’ve been kind of Kindred Spirits on on a journey and I I feel at one of the few survivors of those depths of self-destructive punk you know communities to to Really shine and make it out and threw and sustain the spirit with that said do you want to tell us a bit about your life story how you got to become the executive editor of the good men project spend 20 + lake is 93-94 I’m guessing if they have the haziness there but you know it’s been an interesting Journey getting to where I’m at now but it could be a very very long story as you know just from you know that times The Weave cross again and again over the years through just random means but it was still not Court of like you know we came up in this scene that was about figure it out for yourself figure out what’s right and promote that for your lifestyle so I think it was just natural being you know on the west coast and traveling in those circuits that we were just going to run into each other and it was always enlightening but not surprising when it would happen and that’s kind of how I ended up with the good men project is when I was living in Malaysia in Kuala Lumpur my partner at the time had met some people that were doing physical rehab with her and one of them was a camera in Conway is a writer and journalist and at that time he had just started as one of the first group of the executive editor is to work with the good men project and I met him and found out you know what he was doing in his work amazing things on exposing human trafficking child labor just really heavy topics all primarily under the idea of the disposability of men I’ll yell traditionally meant the soldiers the workers and the Expendable in that and we see in the western Society in the life expectancy some men is compared to women in on and on again there’s lots of levels to it but I met him and he introduced me to the project and I just kind of you know started joining their social media yeah like their Facebook page read their articles then I saw a Cameron posted a call for submissions that was just for a haiku about men masculinity haikus and I’ve been writing poetry since I was like I don’t remember how old and I know I’ve got a ton of haikus has got to be one in there and sure enough there was one from when I was living in Shanghai and there was a man who was he lived in the neighborhood I was at and he was kind of the the gatekeeper of the alley and he would stand out in the way he shaved was with one of those law large metal paper clips or like you know up whole dream of office paper and he would just click it onto the hair and pluck it out so I wrote a haiku about that submitted it to the good men project accepted looking for the writers group and I was like what’s that so I went and looked in at that time it was a private group a closed group but we’ve now open to public group but the stipulation for joining at that time was that you had to have at least one post published on the good men project and I was like well I too technically is a post because it did go on to the project website even though it was only in Oak Lane and almost immediately I was accepted once I call this is great so I started looking at that and seeing the editors posting there or articles and this is where most of these little connections between people come in there was an editor at the time Neil Hill who is environmental ecological educator and activist is I guess the best way I can try to lump it all together and all of his he was an editor at the time and he had made he was looking for somebody who had a Native American man as a role model because it was coming up on Thanksgiving and he wanted to expose you know a lot of the indigenous rights problems that surround the whole holiday and I messaged him and I told him you know I’m not a tribal member I did not grow up in the culture but they’re at a very young age when the Leonard Peltier case was first coming about I was just becoming aware of outside world and had seen the stories on the news and ask my parents about it and then his tastes just kind of that was when I was about seven years old and his case just threw my life just kept popping up and by the time I was a teenager and was involved in you know Street activism and things of that nature. You know the Peltier case is a big big one is still sitting there and so that was the first article that was and follow up with all the boogies tribe in Borneo view the five genders and those got the attention of the publisher then I was being asked to come in as an editor for the social justice section working in collaboration with Neil Hill in the environmental section because as we know there is no environmental justice without social justice there’s no social justice without environmental justice were connected you know we don’t we don’t save the environment or Nature by taking people out of it were part of it but we have to exist in it with balance so we started collaborating around that idea about building those sections in the content for it and now I’m actually mean who’s added her now for a day we need post that he does he’s always everyday he’s out in nature and interacting and he recorded it writes about it and we publish it’s not everyday and so that got me in as an editor and then it was just I just became my passion pretty much and I work my way up as people would come into the project and leave the project I would keep climbing the ladder up and about a year-and-a-half ago I started the executive director level and now I’m the last one standing from the ones I came into the project with got two more executive editor Rob Watson and Barb abrahamson and they’re really awesome as the team behind our publisher Lisa hickey and then we have a boardwalk the numbers on that when it was Ken Goldstein he kind of keeps our our business and a flow and really helps guide our our overall idea and our mission where what direction we’re heading in that’s so awesome yo what just struck me as you’re saying this is if I were a hetero ish woman in this world I would want to get your phone number yesterday because you are reading some of the most potent relevant state-of-the-art of evolving masculine Consciousness project you must you must have yeah I would love to put you on a dating show or something I mean who wants to date the executive editor to give info to review you have a lot of things to talk about you probably can keep somebody entertained on a date to see the lease with all that knowledge so all of the best and brightest most honorable respectable sentiments in heartfelt commentary and well I just want to thank you for that that that the woman in me says thank you and I already got your phone number so he has no I won’t ask you to give it out anything but I still don’t have one yet cuz he I just relocated back to the United States and getting a phone is low on my priorities and it was has been so that’s why I’m the Skype guy right now all right man so yeah thank you again for sharing your story and I love that it came from but do you have the Haiku or can we hear it it cuz I’m sure we could find him but I could not it’ll take me just a second here I think it’s it’s going to be worth it cuz if it’s got to be so endearing there it is yeah I knew I had it in there somewhere oh yeah that was 2013 wasn’t it you get up there and Street Corner plug shave big spring loaded paper clip is Razor of choice that sounds so I don’t like Johnny Cash or something it’s got this this grit to it traditional forms like that especially the short forms they really lend to that because you’ve got to focus on on the Rhythm you have to focus on the sound if you don’t it’s just it doesn’t work you know and so it really you know you do do get a heavy rhythm in it always right on that right on so do you want to tell us about your knowledge of the GMP Origins and Mission and and offerings for those who aren’t subscribers or contributors yet numerous times the pursued contributors specifically because of the topics and they’re really important because one of our you know what kind of one of our advertising lines are marketing lines is a conversation no one else is having and it’s a conversation about where are we in the 21st century with our views of masculinity and we’ve had Decades of civil rights gains we’ve had Decades of women’s rights games we’ve had Decades of lgbtq Rights games in all of this there’s been a lot of exposure of the oppressive systems that exist and how we go all the way from Les over forms of Oppression that are easy to see down to Cove or forms to where are the forms of Oppression having been internalized by the trust and they continue to perpetuate the oppression themselves within all of that advancement there was very little and really no talk about what do we do about these outmoded toxic oppressive patriarchal models that have proven to be unbeneficial to humanity so that’s where the idea of the project comes in is the we look at these movements as our predecessor this is what we have to build off in to learn from but we need to turn the lens around and we need to turn it on men and we need to really look at how do we Define masculinity because as we open the social acceptance of gender identity as being non-binary we now have to really rethink our traditional stereotypes of the rolls and the boxes that we put mint in and throughout the project. Contributors come in that are pursued that I said hey you’re doing amazing work I want to put it on the good men project and its really, but they will come back and say I don’t know if I can do this I don’t see myself as a good man so we don’t Define what a good man is you’re not going to go into the good men project you’re not going to search for 10 things that will make you a good man because those 10 things don’t exist because it’s for each man to really decide for himself what is his concept of masculinity how does he perform it and why and what effects does it have so we really think of it as this is for the beginnings of the project is that a lot of guys we go along and for everybody nobody wants to think of themselves as a bad person nobody wants to think of themselves as perpetuating oppression as being complicit to oppression but when your entire social doctrination makes you internalized that dominant as part of one of the dominant demographics you internalize that and you act that way and you don’t see it until you get to a point of developing your self-awareness that you can see what did I just do to her to the person of color sheet that to my friend to all wow and you reach a point where you kind of look in the mirror one day in your life wow I thought I was a good man but I’m not and it needs to stop so we really look at it how we can make ourselves better and extend that to the community around us and it’s really in the last few years in particular it’s become a lot more community-driven it always has been but that’s getting a lot stronger now so that’s what we’re looking at is you know how can we how can we address these issues and not attack them but deal with them in in Russian always and give suggestions and give exposure to what is going and this is where we start Ty and where we’re looking now with being in a political climate and a social climate that’s coming where these oppressive attitudes are being placed in the leadership role once again and hopefully it’s like you know what last dying kick of them and they’ll be gone soon but they’re not so we’ve got to build a strong Community around that to be able to deflect absorb and to change because fortunately we came off of you know a good 8-10 years of Allah exclusive progress socially and politically in this country which regardless of whether we like it agree with it or not we can’t deny the fact that the country’s political movements and social movements do influence and reflect globally primarily through pop culture in the media so what we’re putting out there is going out there to the world and if we can get a grip on that and look at these different levels of Oppression that really for me is becoming kind of a core issue it’s like we’ve got we got racism we’ve got all of these things going on but if we have that awareness that inclusiveness and that Community to build around it to work on it against the oppressive models that are hitting everybody each one of these oppressed demographics needs the help and we’ve all got to come together around that and that’s where we’ve been taking the good men project in the last couple of years is trying to give people the tools and the experience under the Community Support to get out there and try to dismantle these institutionalized structures of racism of Oppression of sexism of death of the environment in the culture right on man yeah I was I’ve been thinking about that a lot recently just how unprecedented it is for there to be a core value of non oppression that’s very deep reaching at and really is forcing everybody who is on that path of self-inquiry to indict most of the institutions we’ve taken for granted and it’s quite the rabbit hole in I really applaud it it’s it I applaud the efforts I’ve made some contributions here and in want to be and will be submitting more stuff what time so you’ve obviously learned so much you’re you’re you’re you’re speaking about this shift is happening and facilitating the shift of self-inquiry and defining goodness for oneself with a supportive your peers who are who are also walking the path what are you what would you say what would you say are some of the maybe some of the most challenging most heart-wrenching patterns that you that you’ve noticed for just the purging of all of this negativity and end in reconciling guilt reconciling shame from a lifetime waking up after a lifetime or most of a lifetime of unquestioned you know stuff where it would have some real tearjerker moments you’ve had as you’ve been processing all this stuff like a liver you know it’s not changed and for the individual it’s not going to change unfortunately anytime soon if it does and it’s when I first came into the project I was handed a basically it was a year-long journal primarily prose poetry from Magnum spoon Jackson who in the early 70s was not a good man he was 19 he was married in a crime of passion his wife ended up Dad he got sentenced to life without parole he spent almost two decades Plus in solitary allowed outside for an hour a day if the guards were happy with them but they generally weren’t he so freeform he started by you know going inside of himself cuz that’s all that was there he had outside connection through the window of Nature and the birds and it was a lot of the journal was talking about his connection with these birds and what he was learning and growing from himself then threw in the late eighties dejar de arts and crafts and program in the state of California the artists musicians painters poets writers into the prison system for the people on death row and for the people in life without parole to give the art therapy and in spoon Jackson’s case it was incredibly successful and that was really for him that was kind of like a final key of his is self-referral Nation because of the the details of the legalities of his case he has to serve the term and you know my first what’s my first year every day I was going through that journal and breaking it down and getting a daily post from it and I’ll tell you there were some days where I came came away from doing that Daily Post and it took a few days to Shake it Off. Spend you know the story so many times through but then there’s also just the the ones that they bring tears to your eye but they’re the other kind of tears and that’s where you have somebody that comes in and this has happened so many times that you know we need we get some missions in through our online portal and then those go through the executive team and we decide you know which editor is going to be working with that writer if it’s a writer that’s been with us for a while they already have an editor if it’s a new writer than we decide and for the first two years ago that I was added in I became but the kind of go to editor for the potentially problematic straight white male post and diet have to filter a lot of well if I can just be pretty straightforward about it basically kind of like it’s almost like infiltrators you know they come in with a particular agenda which a lot of the times is promoting the stereotypes that were trying to break or is being thinly-veiled are masked misogyny and they try to get like a foot in the door picture keeps engaging yeah but what else is out there so it’s not that I mean those are kind of rare instances and it’s pretty easy to tell what’s going on especially when you start going into a person’s blog and you just check and see what they pop elsewhere and it’s like oh okay well you know forget about this guy you know he’s got some work to do but these guys come in and it’s the you know the language base that there are coming from in their life experience as straight white men primarily it’s you know in middle-aged run my age they they came up in that really traditional like varmints so the perspective not quite be there but as soon as I go in and say Hey you know you’ve got a really valid point that you’re talking about in this but there’s a lot of problematic language that we need to deal with and just give them the information and explain it to I’m just you know like I would do you know if a friend or family or anybody else and that’s your job cuz you’re the editor and ends up coming out of it is they’re just like oh oh that was not my intention at all but I totally see it now I never thought of it that way and you know I just got to say this is the good men project will have a budget to develop either an app or a or a browser plug-in that translates the patriarch of anchor should I click a button like whoa or something a lot of our contributors come in as people who have a passion for writing or a passion for a topic but they’re not necessarily perfect so that’s another big part of the job is helping these new voice is kind of find their voice and sculpt it and within a way that fits with our editorial guidelines which at the base are really simple and I love our editorial guidelines so much because the basic principle is Do no harm and if you look at it each post as I do it that’s what I’m thinking is if I post this is there anything in it that could do harm and that’s the the principal we go on and we’ve got much clearer guide lines when it comes into the the heavier topics about what we can and cannot post especially around the suicide topic for sure is a big one that we have to be very cautious with because we know that the rate of suicide for 4-man is disproportionately higher and but a lot of it has to do with these high-quality a rosian of privilege and the it’s seen as a Bad Thing by people who are still clinging to it and it’s not it’s a good thing it’s going to be better for everybody once it is gone but yeah that’s kind of some of the that idea but you know we can make a better world we got a tree at the art to make that their world and that we have to have the artist to do it and that nobody is perfect were all very different degrees of a mix of good and bad depending on really sometimes who were with and the environment that we’re in and that we just have to look at how can we make ourselves better you know and learn more and listen more is probably the biggest one I think for with the projects trying to get some of the guys to wrap their heads around is the you really you really got to stop and listen and then what is so fascinating because yeah I’ve known you for so long and we’ve been we’ve kicked pieces I’ve written back and forth and only now is it really daunting on me how multi-faceted your your role is curating this content which is kind of giving a voice to these wounded souls and hearts who are striving to shed light on things and it isn’t just a commercial commercialized cranking out stuff that’s somehow related to be the most profitable you just really yeah really facilitating in a stewardship kind of role of this movement I just can’t thank you enough and it makes me wonder would you ever as it I know you have a background this as a teacher would you ever I don’t know right up my writing a book is so such an Endeavor these days and everything is such a moving Target but even do YouTube videos or best practices even just the most basic I don’t know if you’ve done this or if you would consider doing it but to help people at different stages of literacy different stages of you no experience with creative writing and journalistic writing and just kind of via a technical support in a Way Beyond the editing is that something you thought about her that you’re doing especially since I relocated back to the US where things are more expensive to survive in the next year so I’m going to be branching out and I’m done working with well first I’ve started to work with a couple of riders you are working on social justice topics who are turning their dissertations into books and more kids but looking for clients who are interested in developing a voice and learning about the you know the online publishing and and how to do it but there’s also there’s a lot going on within the good men project at well that keep cycling we’ve got quite a few training and classes that we do one of her most popular is on social change just kind of how to create social change because we’re coming off of what we got six years with the project now actively everyday reading strategies for social change and then we have to have a class on using social media to develop your reach it’s geared towards writers primarily but anybody who is doing any sort of online promotion or sales can definitely benefit from our experience across numerous platforms and how to get the most leveraged out of that then we have there are some writing and editing courses as well we’ve got two levels of that you know check that out and then the cool by the most exciting thing right now for me is our social interest groups and we’ve got those up and running and have for a couple of months now we completed one on men’s mental health there was really amazing we have a 1 on the rebuilding post-election on how to reform and redesigned to go after the issues that people care about we just finished up our first stop racism group and that one will be starting up again in a week or two and that one is amazing because it’s only 4 weeks 1 hour call once a week for 4 weeks and I did the first one with the leader of it Jackie Summers and the way he has it structured you come out of it identifying where you are out within a social change movement what your position is true you need to find and how to create an action plan for directly changing the insurance braces got another really good one coming up as well on the environment it’s going to be James Blakely and Neil Hill and you lied mentioned before is really insightful ecologist the concept of ecology goes even deeper with him for the last not sure how many years now he’s been on and he’s got a mountain with mountain goats and wild cats in the whole deal like full live healthy ecosystem the village is right there and has been there for thousands of years and so that’s one of the big things that we want to look at through this environmental group is all of our social justice all of our social issues come down to environmental if we look at the way that we treat oppressed people and we look at the way we treat the environment yeah there’s a big connection there and they in within that they it’s the indigenous people who hold the key to our survival they have the knowledge of with the environment and what the shifting environment the we have going on now but we’ve done a pretty good job globally of trying to completely suppress and eradicate those those people in those cultures just we recently I’ve seen play out in this country I mean so and then I was talking with me all the other day about these issues and brought up a really really strong point is that you know not only we can’t take people out of the ecology. Doesn’t work but it’s also the getting people to recognize just within your local immediate environment being conscious and aware and being a caretaker and you’re around that we build community and Community protects us against social problems right you know you know you’ve stuck your hands in the dirt a few times starting soon that’s non heteronormative parenting and that is going to be led by a gay father of two straight kids in a straight mother of two gauge hits this is like we’re really excited about this one cuz this is one of those that we can really take progress for gender and sexual identity rights in this country and really get it rooted in parenting you know that’s the best way for change unfortunately all these problems that were facing that we’ve been talking about on this call we want to see him changed for some of us we’ve been working for a long time to get them changed we’ve seen progress we seen it diaper us but the solution we’re not going to really see the problem races in the environmental problems all of these problems are going to take generations for them to really be solved and to go away but we’re at a critical time but if we don’t put out the right information and really actively daily think about and work towards these changes it’s going to go the other direction yeah absolutely this is we’re pushing the boulder uphill right now but at least it says the terrain of just Consciousness and awareness in all of the facilitation of Technology the Internet it’s it’s really given those I would say oh yeah you and I had to be Street punks to make a statement and really suffer and really be at risk of I mean back then in Oregon all kinds of hardcore extreme violent bigotry of all kinds and it’s it’s it’s just it’s beautiful now to look back and see how every generation is pushing pushing the boulder uphill but it’s it’s where shaving we’re sort of hacking at it as we go you know where’s it is and the terrain is changing so it’s there’s no excuse we’ve got all the tools and all of the resources in seeing the next the generations coming up after us have a beam or facilitated and figure things out a lot sooner that’s the thing I’m just like wow I’m so envious of these next Generations because it took me so long to get to some of these fundamental understandings and so it’s just it’s going to accelerate in in but yeah I agree we’re just planning the seeds of a lot of things but it’s glorious don’t be depressed don’t kill yourself stick around as long as you can cuz it’s like so exciting I feel you know seeing all this transformation happen and you know it’s very Stark I do you feel like the and how do you personally feel about this what looks like it’s going to be a big back backlash politically for the next few years at least do you feel do you feel kind of like we’re ready to take it on now as the more conscious not anti-oppressive Progressive community that it’s it’s we’re going to just make it a laughing matter to you know wipe away all of this madness and I’m curious about divorce so depressed but I feel they charge to know charged up at well first off you know I came back after you know I’ve been living out of the country for 14 15 years or so and I came back in October before the election with the idea of pretty much knowing that it was going to be the Republicans that took it and it didn’t really matter who it was that they put up because we’re coming off of a two-year Democratic president and there is yet to be in the history of this country to turn Democrat followed by a Democrat except for FDR but he did it all himself and then they wouldn’t let anybody else do it again and it’s not like that’s not like the conspiracy thing there it’s just the statistics you know so trying to beat the numbers on this election was tough to begin with and yeah everybody got surprised but is it a surprise that a person on a like you know heavy platform of bullying becomes the president of a country that’s bounded on these ideas you know that’s not that’s not a surprise you know it’s like it’s a surprise if you don’t know the history of this country and I think of it in some ways the coming off of The Good the mass of progress that we made over the last 10 years or so that this is almost like a kickback from that it’s almost like hopefully the last death throes of this mindset this oppressive bullying mindset that this country has been a dick to for so long that it’s going away as we see with you know especially with the Millennials yeah there is people poke a lot of fun out on this and that and everything as far as like social Consciousness like you you were saying yourself it’s like whoa they came on board with this stuff like already pre-loaded and it took us a like couple of decades wow this is exciting you know and I don’t think that these these power structures and into the society and we need to do a lot of work today get them out and can’t be complacent about it but I think that we’re seeing it in its Decline and its final days and this is something that we have to deal with now and hopefully it is that. Turn that up turn is his we see more and more awareness we’ve got this amazing communication tool that were using right now called the internet that you know we can have a almost Global impact and we’ve seen what that did with things like Arab Spring and for social and political change regardless of the few know how that plays out of the history books will decide later but the simple fact of using it as a tool for activism and change is unprecedented and we’ve got that experience we’ve also got the experience of the Occupy Movement which for all of its failings also had some pretty positive things to it brought Collective awareness way of fire about social issues we’ve got you know the WTO protests in Seattle where a lot of lessons were learned and even in the recent protests just post-election that I witnessed here in Portland I saw like you know from 23 years ago but there are definitely in a lot more strategical and tactical things going on they are coming from this but moving forward we really need to rethink a lot of these things off of the lessons that we’ve learned from these different movements and figure out how we can use our communication tools and use our knowledge to try to turn it around and the we’ve got it all laid out for us you know the the presidents are there and I think one of the biggest ways that we can do it is we’ve got to look at the big picture financial and economic because that’s really you know if we look oppression and why people are oppressed this goes back through colonialism and colonialism was for Capital and it was all about the money and if we not just follow the money but put pressure on the money that’s not that’s how the civil rights protest is you know if all the sudden you’ve got like 75/85 95% of your writers are no longer writing and buying tickets at bus companies going to go under and they’re going to change their policy right real quick and then and those are the things that we need to look at it like your your Target and go after it unrelentlessly and tell they give up and it went up Financial end of it something that I’ve been thinking a lot about lately is the if we can convince but the power holders they are in the ultimate privilege to hear the loss of that is number 1 not a problem and is it going to put anybody on the on the slip reverse side of it cuz there is none but also to see that by economically oppressing a large percentage of a population you are stifling the progress and they just Basic Finance if you have more resources to draw from your going to create more from and if we would take the economic oppression out they financially for the entire country it’s going to be much better right that’s something a lot of people I don’t think her aware of it most of the most of the freedoms that we have to well what’s a it was it was the evolution of of Commerce that got some of the most racist backward policies of the so-called old world to actually dissolve because they realized wait we could actually innovate more if we facilitate people having things like bodily Integrity rights and give people confidence that if they were to develop something that would could be intellectual property would just be stolen away from them by the king so yeah The Liberation is is it’s good for its it’s good for the invisible hand if you really want that worship the Invisible Hand Adam slick you know cuz we know money talks and if you if you want to know what’s going on you follow the money if you want to change what’s going on you put pressure on the money and if you really want to like just flip it upside down and make it into something new you encouraged the money to go in that direction so all we have to do is getting rid of Oppression and we’ll be all good to go over and over again so yeah I have I have full faith that mean Packers are doing so much there’s so much so many old oppressive institutions or just monopolies and racquets that are dissolved because it’s because of apps and technology so yeah if we are on the rise and so many people have sacrificed their lives and been bludgeoned an incarcerated who had so so many fewer I just typed from me and it’s really hard to get depressed for more than a few seconds really because there’s so much power and potential that we now have it our fingertips that we just did not have you can’t really have the spare Irwin I mean I don’t think you can really sustain it if you were passionate about change because we have so much opportunity now and it’s just a matter of of trying everything and adapting and being quick on our toes and not just being not just being like I said not only at the mercy or consumers of other people’s technology but you know open source solutions that give us the opportunity to continue to share and we’re not so yeah I just I just want to reaffirm this this up swing of the curfew for empowerment and you’re really leveraging that with the good men project and I’m very excited for your freelance offerings to be made more are you going to do have a website that we can check out for just supporting you and your efforts and keepingyouwell afloat and well but yeah I don’t have set up yet that’s part of the the plan over the next few months is to start getting to work on that but I am on Facebook I’m on the the Masthead of the good men project and you can find me a through email there as well as in social media where I live so when you do get your website together we’ll be sure to just add it to this page because podcast is growing and overtime more people will you know find this episode even if it’s in the archives and so they’ll be a lynx whenever you’re hearing this podcast episode anytime in the future please do go back to this episode number 81 to find the link to wilhelmus website which is forthcoming and yeah well we covered a lot do you have any other thoughts or anything you want to share anything you want to shout out for make sure you stop by and visit good men project and Goodman project.com pretty easy and check out our Facebook pages we’ve got quite a few of them I’m just a little search and you’ll find us right on well thank you so much again it was great reconnecting with you and I promise to be more consistent in my submissions I think yeah it’s it it is you invited me to kind of have a profile and then I’ve contributed poetry and essays and I need to get on it I need to be consistent so I’m going to make that played straight how to until I have tons of money to give I’m going to give tens as well I won’t bug you but I’ll be giving you more words well thank you so much you have a great night and we’ll be in touch soon. 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