In this episode I’m joined again by Shonagh Home, the mushroom priestess who never ceases to amaze! Our conversation topic this time is the launch of her Manifesting 101 course which she graciously allowed me to experience.
It was perfect timing for me to take the course as I was in the eye of the storm of transformation and the wisdom bestowed through the course served as the psycho-spiritual scaffolding to build a ramp towards greater freedom and abundance in alignment with the divine. Without it I could well have continued digging a deeper tunnel straight to the demonic underworld. I sh*t you not!
This course contains some of the most important words to live by, and while it draws upon a wide range of esoteric and mystical themes, the no-none-sense practical applications that are provided will put any skeptic in check.
This course serves as the functional of anti-malware/anti-virus software on your computer. It works its magic weather or not you make a firm commitment to embark on a path of magical discipline or not. It won’t do the work for you, but it will without a doubt expose your weak, lazy, and self dooming patterns of mental and verbal behavior. If you do take steps to implement the teachings into your future, be prepared for the
Shonagh Home is a shamanic therapist, teacher, writer and poet. Her specialized private sessions and retreats are probing and revelatory, assisting clients to break chronic, self-defeating patterns, and move into empowered personal sovereignty. Shonagh is an international public speaker on the subject of visionary shamanic-spirit medicine, a voice for stewardship of the honeybees, and a teacher on the subject of Traditional Foods. She is author of the books, ‘Ix Chel Wisdom: 7 Teachings from the Mayan Sacred Feminine,’ ‘Love and Spirit Medicine,’ ‘Poetic Whispers from the Green Realms,’ and ‘Honeybee Wisdom: A Modern Melissa Speaks.’
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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved Walking the Tightrope on podcast episode number 203 I have yet again what a my favorite previous guess Shawna home on again now to talk about another training program that she is providing online through their website and after I completed and we did we had discussed Her Sacred mushroom practicum course and so much to learn from that and so much to to apply from that and really I feel like it’s going to be a module with in my coaching and counseling programs that I offer for private individuals really that that’s for them to a lose their psychedelic virginity per say I want this to be a prerequisite for that I want to I want it to be a sort of four other colleagues and peers who would might be doing ceremonial work with me in any capacity that they have that under their belt so to speak and that we’re speaking the same language and and that was really my prayer from when I first read love and spirit medicine wish that I knew actually the first time I heard you Shana on a podcast on the Psychedelic salon at was maybe 2013 when I first heard you one of your early talks mentioning the rigor of scholarship that you put into reading different books on mushrooms of course finding out a lot of the officers were men and then feeling compelled to write a more heart centered feminine more personal exploration and after reading that and knowing you done that work I really just knew that you were going to be the one to the go to Modern chamonix Priestess to usher in the paradigm shift that is going to involve The Mystery of the mushrooms for the modern world so this is the fact that you made that that mushroom practicum course that is really the answer to my prayers and and followed up from that if that wasn’t enough of you also put together an equally astounding and an in-depth and comprehensive course on manifestation which takes a lot of the more best celery kind of new agey stuff that has more Mass Appeal right now have more Pride adoption than then not save the Psychedelic work people can resonate with that and I’ve had a lot of priming on these topics but you bring into it a far more advanced mystical and far more advanced mythological and folkloric wisdom to it that you don’t get so much in things that are trying to be all about just it’s all about Quantum stuff it’s all about human potential stuff and they kind of stripped out the the personalities and the and the the sort of I think about engaging with helpers and keeping negative Spirits at Bay and all of that actual Witchcraft and more folkloric type of wisdom you really bring all that back into the science of manifestation see but it’s the best of both worlds that’s my sort of review after having gone through it and I’ll say before we open it up for you to share all about it I will just say that you had gifted me access to the program and I went devoured it and binge listen as I was going through a pretty serious transition and transformation in my life and there was so much moments where I was where I had to wear it called me out on being a slacker on principles that I had been aware of but that I had not been fully keeping in good posture with let’s say a lot of the stuff having to do with the syntax and the word choice and the justice spellcraft that it is to think the language that you think in the language that you speak in the portents the importance of monitoring that and having a being assertive guardian of your own Magic Magical spellcraft if you don’t have that Consciousness or even if you do and you don’t have these reminders that that that was really extremely powerful and then there’s so many other dimensions and so many other kind of lineages of wisdom and resourcing that you had pulled into this program that was really extremely moving in in and really it’s so far I feel like it’s since that was maybe a few weeks ago when I when I had that experience and I already noticed positive habits and positive reframes in end way way better buffering of reactivity to things and really having a sort of sense of being helped the sense of that experience tweaking subtle settings in subconscious patterns of thought and and visualization so that you don’t have to put all of your focus on these principles and practices they should happen kind of in the desktop background but actually be instead of all the malware that we’re running off and against ourselves it’s actually cleaning up a lot of that malware and actually doing functions that we set it out to do like actually and I love the way you said it we have these mines let’s play with them you know that’s have fun playing with us exploring it so I’m really in that good mood and things are flowing and said I could say I was a tribute a lot of my future success to to this dude thinks you against Hannaford for joining us in if you want to tell us about what led up to this this program and and certainly some of the highlights that you share personally in it and then kind of break it down so we can know what to to looks what to expect from it okay well thank you so much oh my goodness I made it really so appreciate your your kind words and your enthusiasm and it’s so obvious you you listened and you applied what I was sharing and I just so very much appreciate your just your enthusiasm thank you so much all right so I’ll tell you this course came so I have been working with the mushroom now for almost eight years and I encountered mushroom Spirits in its first year of monthly mushroom Journeys that I was doing was called to do and they became like my advisers and one thing that was repeated over and over to my sick Aries skull was get my mind right dear get your mind right is it constantly and you know I have this is interesting I read about this astrologically I’m an Aries but I have a Virgo rising and and and I’ve been a chronic worrier for a long long time and it and and oh my God I have moved beyond that and in a big way for the most part the stuff doesn’t go away but you learn how to manage it properly but one thing I read about Virgos so Virgo is the last sign of Summer and so when you have the last sign of any season like for instance Gemini’s the last sign of spring. Sign is called mutable so it’s mutable not quite Springvale it’s not quite summer but yeah it’s going to be summer and won’t be necessary spring for long it was mutable Virgo OK where’s our summer button Falls coming so it’s this mutable sign and I read that Burgos can can can be chronic worriers and the reason being is that what comes after summer is fall and fall is when things start to die back anyway for me that me a tremendous amount of sense I was like okay okay this is very interesting cuz this is kind of part of my wiring right and anyway and then also text a lot of self-doubt now I am definitely a self-starter and Visionary and all of that but it would be sort of you know the wee hours of the the night when you’re alone special that stuff tends to creep up on you when you’re in bed in your mind is supposed to be at rest and then we’ll would give me at least in the past of every reason why this wasn’t going to work why this is going to fall apart of why I screwed it up for you on and on right like this crazy he’s negative voices that so many people live with and it’s so again we’re back to that mushroom sang to me for you know a long time get your mind right here and and I really I have apprenticed myself to those Spirit teachers I think of them is tutelary spirit and something that has been impressed upon me these past eight years with that medicine is it is all about the power of the mind and and and so what happened to me after a couple years or two or three years poetry was starting to really flow from me and and now when I am called to the mushroom which is maybe once a year it’s a big night and I just go in with my recorder and poetry just flows forth and and and it’s also happened when I went to Scotland and I spent time in the stone circles those are are are located on these geomagnetic hotspots and we’re mostly water and so you’re within that frequency and it will activate a lot go a lot within you just us the mushroom can as well and so so so there was a lot of poetry coming through me then as well and when I say through me it was very much channels and it would come out like I would just speaking into a recorder or I would type it out very quickly and every word rhyme there was no editing necessary it was pretty wild and so and I find they play with words as as the mushroom doesn’t touch with the number of people are like you out yet to find that also you know with it with the mushrooms in Alaska show me people who work with that medicine become really fascinated with language fascinated with with words and an end so in any case so Within These poetic messages also teach me about country training the mind and I’ll tell you also 6 years ago on my 50th birthday I just thought I was going I didn’t do any mushrooms for just a couple years I was going to do 7 for some reason anyway and inside width on a friend’s farm and I was in her greenhouse and these beings came through and just kind of had me for the rest of the journey and I recorded it and one of the beings was studying The Matrix of my mind centrally and stroking its beard sang What a mess what a mess because at the time I was I realized you no looking back I could be so negative you know I mean and it’s hard of course not to look at what’s playing out on this planet which has been playing out for quite some time it’s kind of just look around and go on my God we’re fucked like that’s what I was saying at the time and this being she said if she thinks she’s fucked then so it shall be and and so I listened to that the next day when I was going through the recording and and I just applied deposit and it was just like okay wait a minute wait a minute I know being is trying to get me to realize the power of my voice to power of my thoughts in mind and the power of my voice and and it was a sobering moment for me and indents and kind of the beginning of Korra of I would say a deepening of of this understand and getting a better understanding of kind of how my own mind works and and reality that that I create for myself as a result and and I know you know there was that movie The Secret and they’re all that stuff and in the power of whatever it’s called I don’t know but it’s all the fasting stuff and and you know there’s actually there is great power in it in that but actually think this is very old and I know it’s very old because eventually I found a rising which you can find online deathly free it’s called as a man thinketh and it’s by a fellow named James Allen and he wrote 2021 Pages back in 1905 he was basically riffing off a line in the Bible pretty old book and this line said something to the effect as a man thinketh so he is and so James Allen clearly this haunted him and he really really pondered this and he wrote that just got to putting his thoughts out there on the effects of our thinking on the circumstances of our life the effects of our words how that affects our health our body and and the power of thinking 808 a clear mannered way and in other words he said something and I’m just going to quote the very first one of this isn’t the very first this is around the beginning of of his book this chapter is called effect of thought on circumstances and he writes a man’s mind may be likened to a garden which may be intelligently cultivated or allowed to run wild the weather cultivated or neglected it must and will bring forth and so there’s more to that and you know this culture biodynamics that you and I love stock that he is he’s making the analogy that that the mind is its a garden right and so you know traditionally one would tend ones garden and so the mind has to put forth it can’t not so we can if we are not disciplined in terms of our sinking then it it it it runs amok and I mean I’m just I so see in my own life how my own thoughts would would would result and circumstances in my life that would would confirm shall we stay with the way I was thinking or My Philosophy right and and and then my own patterning would continue to repeat themselves I get caught in this is kind of mind Loop and and so his book is amazing it’s a free pdf not really book is 21 Pages you can also go on YouTube and you can listen to it for free and it’s a living person’s voice is not the may I sing and and there’s tremendous wisdom there and end and so we are we are raised from birth we show up here the veil comes down we forget where we were before we came we forget what we are and we are raised by folks wherever they may be for under the spell to whatever degree and then we are cells fall under that spell and then oh by the way then we are indoctrinated in these really deplorable quote on quote education system is run by the Prussian education system in think we spoke about that before that Prussian education system is worldwide and it is all about indoctrinating children into adults who function in unquestioning compliance and it makes them predictable okay and so we’ve all experienced that and then we have a course in media which is also highly controlled and and all of this is it’s it’s constant repetition and so we’re really being programmed from birth and I think you and I have talked about the word government from in Latin it’s go burn witch things to control and momenta is mine and so and were raised in playing with words a cult sure and so really what this has been for me this work with a with mushroom and this work I have had to do with my own mind is a sense of kind of deprogramming essentially deprogramming from all the conditioning that I myself have received and it’s amazing I mean this conditioning it’s it’s ingrained and and and you know I went to a small convent school run by nuns from Nursery School through 7th grade and we were raised to be proper young ladies which failed miserably for me but I can still see that response you know like where we are trained like dogs to respond to Authority in a very submissive way and end so for us fiery and and forthright and opinionated oh my goodness it’s still shocked and upsets me you know when I kind of see myself by catch myself you know the rare occasions I don’t know it was some kind of authority and you realize oh my God that’s just still so deeply ingrained so anyway charge the kind of course talked about this about how the mushroom would help to delete the program and I love how you referred to as malware with system our mind system really is malware and so this stuff takes discipline it takes practice there is no magic pill you know and send this is precisely what James Allen talks about as well like you got to work on this really hard. I cannot recommend his his book enough his writing it’s it’s it’s so it makes such perfect sense and and he writes about fear and doubt that that they always result in failure always result in failure and that you have to be essentially a kind of warrior of your own mind you know and and so and no one else is going to do this for us and there’s no magic pill of course something like the mushroom will certainly help open your mind to the possibility it’ll open your mind to treatment can open your mind a tremendous Insight ultimately the ball is in our court and so something else that the beings been explaining to me first of all we’ll date they speak of the mind is a wand and they have said that actually the Holy Grail is in the mind and I’ll tell you my main teacher Brew join with Johns Hopkins trained MD who walked away from a very illustrious career to be a teacher and he was very young young and very much amiss. He was just a fantastic man and a tremendous influence on my life my life she told great stories you told a story just to give you a copy of an ID on the power of the Mind here and just what we’re all packing without even realizing it he told story about these Studies have been done on people with multiple personalities and there was a woman I looked up to study and found it who has diabetes type 1 insulin the whole deal should true personalities though the other was healthy and so one body one mind and of course she couldn’t do this she didn’t know she was doing this right this is such a mystery to the multiple personality thing but she would go into the personality that he had diabetes and you know she had to take her insulin and and of course they were they were they were testing her blood everything Wendy healthy personality took over her entire body responded and adjusted itself to accommodate the healthy personality no diabetes none so and oh by the way she had two menstrual cycles each month one for each personality and so again she wasn’t doing that consciously should no idea she was even doing that but what that says about what the mind is capable of is pretty extraordinary and also is Celtic Women as a or a gallic woman release better term I mostly Scottish and Irish there so we had in Ireland long long ago The Bard’s the Druid class they were men and women the priest priest S-Class and those people were deeply deeply learn it in terms of the power of the mind right and they would study for 15-20 years and nothing was written down everything was memorized and so it’s it boggles the mind to even think of how you would memorize is very very complex sonnets and stories and and you know that there were that the Poetry was in deeply and coded right so in other words we are like Whisper of what we once were including the way we use our mind like I really know there’s a lot of talk about how we’ve all been dumbed down and and you can say that but really when you start making the air since you know what the Ancients it’s mind-blowing so we’ve got work to do or I’ll say I had and still can’t get work to do you know and explain to me what is dire Everett this whole thing’s Electric it’s electric they said your spirit is electric and also because I am a medium I bring these beings through with they would explain to me when I would bring them to you on the medicine I always required amount of water and so and they would call my vest my body a vessel will a vessel is a container and what are we mostly but water will what does water carry but it’s charged it carries charge and so we are the charge for this body vessel each one of us at Wheaton spirit this body our spirit is Electric in our body carries. Well when I would do that medicine and other beings would come in that those were different currents of electricity and so I would require more water to accommodate the extra current in me and then you have to be careful because you don’t want to fry your nervous system with all that electricity so Connecticut’s they were explaining to me see all of this I got in the mushroom you know they were explaining to me hear your thoughts like well we know shots fired neurons fire they are electric and so every time you think of something you’re charging it and and by the way so we’re mostly water are spirits electric will every electrical cord wire has in a field around it a magnetic field and that field either repels or tracks will we all have an energy field around Aura around our body and that either repels or attracts and there’s certain people who are highly sensitive who can either see or feel your energy field and they can feel stuff in it that reflects that stuff in the fields reflex what’s going on in the psyche of that person and of course we know the alchemical maxim of as within so without and microcosm and macrocosm in so so whatever is held in mind is is is felt in the energy field and and and and reflected in New York field and then and then you magnetized to yourself accordingly and so yeah I said it I just had a vision of visual Kei when you’re saying that my neurons were firing at that will it first I saw a pigpen of course from Charlie Brown and the Flies orbiting him and the end what he was attracting of that effort that’s a shamanic metaphor used before and then I was thinking why I was so there are people who it will probably all of us if we’re in a funk then we basically I imagine being the equivalent of walking fly paper if you were in a negative vibration you’re attracting negative tests that say from the Astros playing who were who are being just by the laws of these of these mechanics like you’re saying the way the Synergy of the way these is systems actually work it’s just effective these things being drawn in and attracted and then I thought well then you could also be on have a more positive walking the beauty way is he might say and you could be attracting hummingbirds can send you could be more like a more like a bird bath vibration and you be attracting all these beautiful benevolent to sip a synergistic beings as opposed to piss in that you could have to but that’s an interesting point this idea if we extrapolate that principle of your either always there’s just the two poles of attracting or repelling on certain on a certain Atomic level and if we are unquestionably inarguably composed of a medium that has that field around it then the only thing that we don’t know without the mushrooms that say showing us or the guy selling us is when we repel or attract what are we what are we bringing in or what are we pushing how do you know if the SATs that was an important I hope to add something you know to the visual visual illustrate it will the state that point I don’t know if that if that sounds like it resonates put on because they’re afraid of the taboo of lesbianism and because it would be against the rules and whatnot so when I melted down and was innocent ceremonies were psychedelic ceremonies were they all of these stories were melted away and it was just women in fucking ecstasy the agony and ecstasy and using my cock as a prop but also as an energetic current in a source of love and it my refinement was allow me to be in that space and I realize that it’s like it is so cumbersome to be responsible for a woman’s orgasm in a love making session why would I want all that burned on myself cuz like I have to add my age I have to think about a not coming to fast beat not losing my erection and in trying to make a sincere and emotional a sincere present connection with the person who I am experiencing this with that is enough for me to have to do now I’m responsible for her squirting and coming of the Saints sake when I saw the leveraging of all these other women and how freely flowing the orgasms come when the openness and the connectedness is there with other women so so like I said I’m not taking a step back and now if anybody wants to come at me they’re going to have to go through that that ate a form of of grade school of learning in orbit black you going to come at me if you want to fuck me you need a black belt in loving me to get in hand if you going to any Karate Dojo they’re not used hey I want to do what you do can you hand me a black belt right now please here I’ll give you a beer can I buy you a beer and then you give me a black belt no stupid you’re so stupid amphib so what was the quote from the movie UHF which is very a so Daddy definitely watch UHF to understand where my sense of humor comes from but yeah it’s good so so we’re solving this problem and creating these designer experiences and so what I realized is that the impulse for a woman to have this one-dimensional relationship with a man’s cock so that she wants to possess it so as you’re a very own the way for me to logically very very simple-minded lycee what is the how do you prevent that is to say well you will learn to get to know my cock at exactly the same time as another person and you will only have a 50/50 relationship with whatever you do you say like you would with your best friend and I had her saying in people may not like to hear me say is cuz it sounds good feed it to your best friend first feed it to your best friend first and I didn’t even think about the secondary effect of that which for me that was just that was just like I’m going to know that you’re not going to lose your mind with jealousy when you can just say here actually you can I’ll let you go first so that would be the the the tantric taboo test of transgression against yourself like that Siri you’re going to lose your mind will feel into that and start simple we’re going to dance together and you’re going to watch just that and is that make your blood boil what happens after your blood simmers down do you start to like so now it’s like whatever that point is where that demon comes out of jealousy you were going to rub the shit out of your clit until it goes and tell you what you’ve you become a demon Whisperer with your clit and me and everybody just wants to create more and add more locks to the fire and you transmute that negative emotion into a positive motion and then in the probably will be called conversion the opposite we don’t have a word for it we do not have a word except for that one which no one knows it set designer neologism but we don’t have the band singing about how good it feels to watch their wife get fucked by Adam Ant And so yeah here we come back full circle so we will be so we’re going to we’re going to have these experiences we’re going to sing about it and and so this is the this is the what the the the climax of this conversation will be in my opinion is is when I talked about how the it’s not just a theoretical Gaiden guiding principle to say oh yeah we’ll will like yeah okay you flip a coin and I have sex first with the person who wins that round and then I stopped having sex with you and hopefully it didn’t lose my wind in 5 minutes cuz I was so fucking turn on by the sexy after they all I got another $5 and it’s over for me for like they’re already like forgot every system anyway cuz they’re tearing each other inside out and everything and I’m just watching and trying to like make it come to live again and finally it will eventually but you should know I’m getting That’s The Hampsterdance the Tantra hence the sexual Jedi Knight training so that you can breathe breathe through and in have the orgasms without losing the love don’t be a 5 lb jump so hit the two feminists so I think I’m going to say okay if she’s dying to give me a blowjob then like we time it for like okay like we’re going to play your favorite song and it’s going to be about the same equal thanks to to her favorite song and you going to eat each other’s favorite songs and I’m like hold each other’s heads and massage each other and just be like holding each other from behind and Miss Priss massaging each other that they take turns but there’s still a potential in that for for jealousy to arise in forever and for it to be I mean I just thought of a way to actually literally short-circuit everything in a really beautiful elegant circuit and so here is the design and I will try to verbally explain unless they can so I love the idea of two women’s hands clasping together around my cock and massaging it gently up and down as they face each other and our eye gazing intermittently so the visual so far is is that the dear beloved goddesses or I are facing each other so actually agency kneeling I’m I am laying on my back and they both are kneeling with their literally as clothes into my armpit is possible so that I can reach Below in between their legs and butt so I can have a hand on each clit and vulva fingers is a good middle finger on the clit and to end so if I’m cuffing the vulva and able to use my longest middle finger to be stroking the each clit simultaneously in patterns you know singer sew and I’m basically playing streams is like playing guitar and make a solo I’m playing shift I have this is because the end of vocalizations or what I’m tuning for it you know so so it isn’t this beautiful instrument of a playing these two young hearts that are kissing each other and like I gazy and exactly is so I’m making sure that they’re not feeling left out in that apartment while I’m being stimulated and everybody is being stimulated sexually and everyone is feeling a part of a closed circuit that is meeting everyone’s needs and in and there’s no favoritism there’s no hierarchy the really so thin and if anything I am as the man in my back and that is what time trick Kali worshipping actual full fully pornographic and I hesitate to use that word was fully glorious erotic depictions of the circuitry of how this stuff works so if it’s if you’re not approve any 3 I mean if you’re not so sexually stunted then you would just understand that these icons are just road maps to the spiritual terrain of understanding the energetics of Shiva Shakti god goddess energy so we’re designing with that and we’re creating a maximum hydraulic energy flows in in in a way that is very egalitarian actually inhibits the growth of the ego and that sense of so-and-so I’ve experienced this in not that exact formation but that’s why I aspire to be a porn director so that I can I can work with people who are very comfortable taking Direction and are not going to lose their minds and so I actually had this conversation today they’re what makes me not a cult leader and what prevents me from ever becoming a cult leader is this one fundamental thing right but I have to study cold it is to know how not to be a quote later cuz otherwise I would just be cranking out so much Kool-Aid day Kool-Aid would have to invent a time to punch flavor you know I got to be sponsored by Kool-Aid the Kool-Aid man oh yeah it would have it I make my own Kool-Aid Man Township anyway after dark okay I wanted how they’ve not sued like I have all of the libelous memes and they feel bad for the Kool-Aid guy I didn’t fucking poisonous people man I don’t mean to be making fun of them and I really got to get serious about not making a joke out of the people who died in the massacre Crazy Eights it’s it’s it’s public domain now to make a joke to either the expression people say don’t drink the Kool-Aid it’s because people at Jonestown were by a charismatic cult leader who was it was an extremely right with it skips a generation maybe but that’s how memes get formed yes so I mean that’s how they sort of deprecated the roots and you say things that we don’t know how does the reason we’re numb it so they don’t drink the Kool-Aid means don’t consent to a groupthink. Virus that makes mass suicide be acceptable and so they poisoned the Kool-Aid punch and that’s how everyone can scented make give it to their kids and everyone is like this is fine and some people try to protest and they were silenced and some people try to run away and it was a nightmare and it was absolutely what I would I must not allow myself to become as a priest that uses sexual mind manipulation and coercive tactics to trade love and affection attention and orgasm for 4 unquestioning devotion into the point of suicide so that that’s the extreme case that that we that is a litmus test for if you were going down that slippery slope but I actually tend to want to study the mental illness of sociopath sociopathy narcissism and I would like to consider myself a benign I’m the benign narcissist I know that that is a character flaw that I am not how we going to like defeat by doing the past limitations as many times that night and I’m going to roll with it and I’m going to say yeah I will be like Howard Stern and I will be I’m going to if I’m going to be this personality I’m going to make a bonsai tree out of my own ego if I can and have other people help in the process but but things going going back to the to the cult thing and what me what gives me the authority to design this orgasmic Orchestra what why and how do you not just become a colder than soy everyone you meet is basically in that on that game board now how am I going to manipulate you to be in this in this position that I would like you to be in to fulfill my fantasy of engineering all this town truck stuff and and if I’m if I’m this is well that’s spit out the Kool-Aid don’t swallow I think what we’ll get to that for sure that’s going to be a we’re going to get to that but can’t forget that we’ll save that for the for the most triumphant moment the climax is when we’re going to use that it’s so precious now after it’s been built up so ever since a joke that’s going about 2 it’s going to explain come on your face it’s going to come on yesterday and you’re going to beg for it and so hits is it is I’ve had people beg me to come in the third eye and it was hard to resist but this is going to be almost as good as that sharing you this one liner inside joke and just a minute but to wrap up this sort of dark out thing that we were doing with the coal thing is that it how do you know how do I hedge against being the creepiest man every like people think that Barney the purple dinosaur because he and forgive me if I’m butchering the facts here but as far as I know he’s doing what I considered to be taboos for me which is charging women money to have sexual penetrative intercourse with them above all without protection and making that into a to me that’s not a scalable business model and you can ask your doctor wife but Barney I mean I get it and I get that that’s the love thing being cultivated generated so I think I don’t know whether I consider that good pressure bad press for modern Neo Tantra or what not but I’d love to have them on the podcast I’m sure it’s going to happen and I can’t say that I was a fan of the art form of Barney the purple dinosaur but but but I would love to get to the full story and also talked about the ethics and this medical the medical duty of care that comes with sexual and pinch of intercourse with anybody so anyway that’s the sad but who were talking about okay what if you were intrigued and maybe turned on by me talking about these erotic circuit boards then you also have to be somewhat red-flagged and starting to cringe and go where how old is this get arranged in what are the incentives and how do you how do you manage the Eagles and how do you who’s in charge it’s like you can’t it’s a scary thing but you wouldn’t work but that’s why when I went when I say what I realized for me the aha moment in my sexual career was that if I want to have out-of-the-box sex I have to pay lots of money for it from professionals who have trained her nervous system to do theater performance of sexuality as escorts or as Dom’s or as porn performers because they’re good sports they’re not spoil Sports about any of the stuff for the most part if they’re treated well and respected and then contracts are here too and they know what they’re getting into and hopefully they’ve matured and hopefully their brain has developed to its full capacity IE the age that it takes to actually I don’t say that to you exactly so you better know there’s a dimension of Ethics when it comes to harvesting teenagers for your for whatever Annette and I have had some of the best sex in my life as a 30 year old being fucked up fucked senseless by teenager in a row in a monogamous relationship and I will I will tell you that it’s it some it was worth the daddy issues that I had to deal with it was worth reparenting her and it was worth every bit of emotional kind of awkwardness that there wasn’t some of the an Amex because she was such a good full spirited Prime late night it was funny cuz I was like I want to settle you down and basically like I could teach your making a kid with ADHD sit in class is like no she wants to fuck wildly she wants you to perform more than you possibly ever could even at 30 and and she and she is not she doesn’t need these esoteric practices too heavy multi-orgasmic she’s fucking coming or brains out like so hard and I and I couldn’t sit her down the aisle still enough to do any of the practices that I thought were going to be so enlightening and went in the great thing is is it a fuck it like it is certain point you just say no guru there’s a song about it’s like no guru no no scripture No play just in the Dow of the thing so anyway so that’s a side note to say there is a sacred place for adult for fully mature brain develop adults to be having sex with teenagers and and I know that it can be done because I’ve done it but it also takes you can’t just treat them like a commodity please you got to you got to think about pedagogy Nikki learned from the person that you’re teaching teaches you things to like a circle so then so we’re talking about these ethics and where I wanted to just close that point about how I do my best to not be a cult leader I thought I figured it out pretty simply and correct me if I’m wrong but basically it’s it’s I dare you to to indict me for the the criminal and civil liability of misconduct for for for structuring a certain way so this is how I this is this is very simple as this is like this I said that this is a different the difference from a cult leader is that I’m a porn director I pay women to be directed and then I pay whoever I want to I will I will I will choose performers who I resonate with for whatever we would like to do together to make beautiful art and and I will compensate them and pay them to take time out of their lives to be a part of my design and to be directed by me they’re not paying me for healing for enlightenment for direction for guidance and I’m directing them and Meghan gratifying myself and taking their money in convincing mind fucking them and taking more of their money and more than money until they don’t talk to their friends because of and that’s how Colts are basically extractive from their students the colors are extracting from their devotees the difference is how many colors do you know that actually give their devotees money I will pay you oh now I’m making corned a porn director and I am more karmically correct than the fucking Guru who is fucking having people kiss his feet and take your money so who would have thought that the corn directors were the most enlightening Yogi’s to ever attempt to be divine and I have my favorites and I’m a fan of some of them I want I want to see the names but right now but that cuz I wouldn’t want to leave any out you know what I mean bless you all for paying people to direct them into your Twisted fucking fantasies and giving them that dignity like hats of their not wondering about it cuz there’s that was having a conversation today it’s like a buyer’s remorse if I say to you I’m just saying if you remember when you had to if you were old enough to know that there was a day when when when your allowance equals one CD for $15 so humorous if you never had experience this is important I think this is important teaching is important teachable moment is that is that and I don’t want to be today. Take care no man’s planning anything in them to have fun here but this is like this is this is late so here’s the funny thing though you think about I remember what it was like when I had to convince myself that amusing that a CD that fucking sucked was actually good because I paid money for it and I would not let myself suffer the indignity of having made a mistake so I was in a state of denial and delusion so so so feeling this isn’t meditation okay everybody think of something that you paid money for that you discovered was in the zoo is suboptimal and you used mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you actually liked it even though you knew deeply that you didn’t like it but it was called buyer’s remorse it was called the sunk cost fallacy of sunk cost fallacy is that because you invested something into this you have to continue beyond the point of no return because you can’t live with yourself other ways so that is this Twisted perverse placebo effect that happens when it’s like I went to the sex guru to get healed and he said for 9999 I would get here and but I but I could also upsell to the bonus extra double healing deluxe super Cosmic Crystal trademark excetera right thing and try before you buy money back guarantee accessories that you’re all of his legal he’s in fine print all the stuff but there is but that’s where it is we’re expecting to have some result that you paid money for and you will question whether or not okay did I was a hole in my heel did I pay enough money to pay more and some money and it is it distorts things and you did it it did contaminated in a way for that so I’m skeptical that I can be done right in that sense and that’s just me so what I say let’s work in the garden together my time equals your time and now we’re planting trees equals an hour of Yoni massage your prostate massage and therefore it’s a flat equal everybody has the same it’s his first come first serve you know and orgasms for work shirts that was my hand jobs for Humanity and helping a tree with two or so you’ll see it yeah it’s a white paper was written so is he ever gets faster so so that’s how I’m not going to be a cult leader is that I’m not going to charge people money to be Pawns in my game of or are you going to be players in my Game of Thrones Township Township twister you will get paid handsomely to be in my theater my game of Township twister and you can quit you can get any time you know that’s that’s that’s the thing to you won’t be like oh if I walk away now you know that then where I’m not like what I paid for I’m I’m already invested so much forever so so many different dynamics of of incentivization happening in this thing is so anyway that that was I think it is important to lay that out and and this is probably the first time I’ve articulated it on the podcast but I just was having this conversation today with this answer the CD metaphor thing where it’s like you know it did that it’s it’s a problem that way so so that’s I will not be extracting money from people in that in that way I’d rather pay them to be in my in my Productions and feel better about it that way so getting back to the fun stuff in the production itself so imagining that that would be the way from now on where I’m like if you want to that’s basically what I just described about that circuit of three people as a minimum to starting point is like that is the that is first base now you know that’s first base because getting into the circuitry of actual intercourse that’s where it required that’s where we get into the medical the medical responsibilities aspects and we get into more of the karmic sharing we’re really swapping scum he’s on an astral level at that point more so than if it’s an outercourse thing and you can’t go back once you know I don’t want to sound like a prepaid only sound like a six- future but but they were right about this mean you’re not wrong about everything they’ve had no sex for anybody ever. Is not the solution to people having sexually transmitted demons running rampant all over the place and it’s about making them your friends and making them work for you not against you and making them expose themselves properly and in you know where it’s not a pure realm we are not going to be perfectly protected in fear we can strive for that and we can use Kundalini and Prana and mantras and all of our medicines in purgatives and things to create a cleaner vessel to make more harmonious more resonance more signal-to-noise ratio and that is what to me this is all about and why we are missing out so badly to not be like I see this if God is wanted you got it for not created to nipples I can’t suck both nipples at the same time I tried some women I can do it on I’ve done it and you can do it some women is possible but for the most part so what does that mean what are you do do you limit God or do you just find someone else to be on the left or right side of you you know what is the big deal so when I think about this math equation how many erotic how many out of the box meaning not really the selective like subjective nuanced little erogenous zones that people get overtime in our lives but the out-of-the-box everybody is wired this way count how many erogenous zones you have and how what is the minimum number of mouse penis and genitals or fingers are human appendages required to simultaneously stimulate all those places it’s more than one person I can tell you that much you know so I just want us to start there and be creative in 2N to learn how to understand that we’re missing out and we should be wanting to gamify maximizing human potential for orgasmic pleasure because that is exorcism orgasm equals exorcism in some cultures who are Les Les Mis Sara Lee poetic about the floury discourse of symbols about sex life like a Latin American Shaman is said about her sexuality in the end in her how she explained why monogamous marriage was not really a thing in a culture that permitted extramarital sex and it was that in her mind and I am not going to say her name to cool her but I will say to paraphrase the essence of this wisdom is that to her mind it was just like an orgasm is like taking out the trash and that is not that’s not to say that it is mundane or a chore it is that it is a responsibility of hygiene in your household of your body Temple you need to have orgasms they need to be fulfilling need to get the job done and that is the exorcism aspect of it so the howling screeching all of these things that are considered that witches were burned forming figli sounds that those are the sounds of actual Holiness the set of holy the sound of Holiness is a woman’s orgasm and so let’s make those come more abundantly and let’s utilize map map the erogenous zones out of the box and then map the additional ones that are my favorite song and when you talk to me like this and this certain place I’m in the back of my head there whatever and then everyone has their own map so we can learn each other’s maps and if you don’t know your own map then you can ask people to help you there’s people who would love to lick and kiss and touch you and head to toe to find and explore you and and from a breasted state of consciousness D nice and yes I like to will you bring out the best in me that’s all I think that’s all you guys add that I can’t top that is the way to end so then really that was we didn’t even know that we put the icing on the motherfuking cake by saying you bring out the Best in Me so there was a documentary about at the peak of my desire to become a a rock star in the the crust Punk metal genre grindcore all that fun stuff I was studying that I wanted to understand and clock the music industry so I was watching every documentary I could find understanding music marketing and all the stuff and then I found this great documentary about about Jimi Hendrix and and I believe it was his fiance at a time who later became his wife if I remember correctly and she was talking about the time where he was building momentum and getting lots of gigs but still underground and she said something that stuck with me forever and if this moment which is it basically the hidden tension was used turn Express yeah we we all knew he was going to get sign or we all knew that you was going to take off he was going to blow up and so she said it was just about if someone puts put the icing on the motherfuking cake you know and I know and I felt that we we’re ready for that and we did some we had some we had some ice and get put on a motherfuking cake we did you get you always want more but I look back and I don’t think we could handle more so we got what we got and now I’m on a different I have a different cake I have a different cake mix and I don’t know if it’s that time I don’t know if it’s time to put the icing on the cake or not yeah I don’t know I mean the cake it’s getting cold she heard it mean if you’d if anyone has icing out there can it please be stevia-sweetened go Steven Johnson I don’t know how to hack them will work on that today I know it’s actually what I heard is that it’s a weird additive that they used to cut it because it’s so super sweet that you would basically died of sweetness if you didn’t like the step on it with some other things so I think that’s why I love growing Stevia and having a leaf to munch on and put in the tea because then you know is nothing else being put into it and it’s just as powerful you don’t really need to if you had the the live leaves one leaf enough will be enough to knock your head off for an hour so yeah I know on that snow yeah we’re going to put this devious fresh leave puree motherfuking icing on the cake I will put the icing on my own motherfuking cake that reminds me in 1 minute I just when I thought we couldn’t go out with a bigger bang this is going to be at because there was a a ritual ceremonial I called we called apart emoni where was the Psychedelic birthday party and we smeared cake all over each other and had to basically devour for the birthday gal of her own cake and it was just nipples and asses and I wanted to be in after from there I was my breasts Elsa. Playing for sure that brother and brother best me for sure but that when I got to put the icing on cake my damn self so don’t let anyone fucking tell you that you’re not none of me if you feel like it I mean I think we’re done I just can’t I’m going to fucking drop my phone right now when I might drop my phone on the couch citizen of the count but oh shit it’s next level add icy Cipher geise that’s going to have some cake with that icing okay thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.drudgereport.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day
In this episode I’m joined by my new dear friend Mike Bonner for a discussion about ethical magic, sex magic, consciousness, love, fantasy, romance, pansexuality, and much more.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 186 I am doing an episode with a new dear friend of mine Mike Bonner who I’ve connected with my social media and is he’s been a listener and fan of the show and we have so much in common I was a long time coming to get this podcast done and we will be many more forthcoming I’m sure you will fall deeply madly in love with all of his wisdom and insights and really enjoy the subject matter which is really foundational to averting catastrophe and and and staying on course for a really beautiful magical manifestation of all kinds so yes again I hope you enjoy and namaste find and reach their own personal strength and power and to be better solves I did a lot of self-discovery over the years it just slipped through a lot of different different I guess variables you can say like through magic to Tantra through I just communicating with people also just kind of going back to my younger years just kind of you know I know that you come from a Punky background and I was in that as well with some coffee stuff and all this kind of such my grandmother had a son used to do this all the time when I was kid so I watched them to all these things and it was really intriguing and I knew that they were actually doing something because I actually didn’t really know what they were doing it’s like seven or eight years old that I care I don’t I don’t mess with anything dark like that I practice a lot of Earth Magic and Sex Magic white magic things like that just trying to use all that energy that I get to build in there and get to like thrusting into creativity that goes into music or I also do hair I do have a barber and a hairdresser and so a lot of it comes out that way and that was also a way that I discovered I guess kind of what I can do for people on they told me that I helped them a lot and I did I I didn’t realize what I was doing at the time when I was working on my client says as a new Barber and hairdresser I just was a very curious person and I wanted to basically just kind of find out everything about the person that I could not in a creepy way either I just felt that the interaction was so personally it’s a vicious open up to you so I I I tried to listen even even even now I’d like to try to listen as best as I can to what people are actually saying whether it be through their words or their body language cuz I believe both are and I think they’re both equally as important I think we’ve all been sitting in front of somebody when they’ve been saying something on their words you know are coming out but their bodies actually saying something else not just desire to me is a real test connection I think within that person solves so I started noticing that another people then I started asking myself is you know I was doing these things too and so I just started to really look into that and also what people were telling me about you know I could see them and work on conversations go away for a month or two or whatever it was and they live out you know this thing that we talked about her and that’s when people say thank you so much I guess I never really thought about it until that point and that’s kind of as a young adult I’d say about 19 or 20 so I started looking more into the different types of Magic the different types of Tantra which I didn’t realize I was already doing all so you know people have this really funny way of how they think about Tantra the nights I think a conversation for another time cuz that’s a whole other topic I guess that’s that’s really my intro all that all sounds very good to me thank you for sharing that apologies for some of the background noise right now but I know are so we talked about it before one of the reasons why I wanted to say hey we should talk about this around feel like something has been missing as far as really laying a solid foundation for what different best practices of ethical magic really are and what some of the the the core principles that people may may be overlooking and just anybody who is sophisticated it has a long-standing practice study and expiration going to various traditions and they’re all that always intrigued me so I love to hear you help us understand some of the 101 aspects of what it means to even embarked on the path of empowering yourself to feel that you’ve been you could achieve magical powers to help with whatever comes to mind if you call yourself different terminology for magic and basically I people can call themselves whatever they like forgot my my what I believe are the real foundations of magic is accountability and responsibility I think those are two very very very strong pieces of the foundation that also translate into into life. I think but when you’re actually practicing magic you know if you’re going to set out to do some kind of ritual or spell whether it’s something that you want to do of your own making and will or you know of something that’s that’s been around for a while or whatever is the intention you have to have to State your intentions first and foremost it’s one of them what’s important things to do even before creating a Sacred Space in a circle for yourself on I like to start there it can take 10 seconds or I can take 10 minutes or longer it is whatever you want whatever your intention or your intentions are super super clear and just try to be really specific and remember that accountability and responsibility the second thing I think you have to do always right after Arby’s just asked for protection whatever it is you like to call upon whether it’s God or gods or goddesses or deities or you have specific helpers that you like to use Envision yourself in some way than protecting you or something of what I what I like to do is basically I I I surround myself in the circle of these big Rose Bush’s basically with these big thorns and these really really sturdy branches and he’s really beautiful roses and everything from the outside can almost see him that’s that’s what I do and I think that’s really really really really have to start so set your intention ask for your protection and pretty much from there on you can start so you can create trade environment I would say either that’s what I like to do if I have the time on the fit something big that you want to put a lot into whether it’s something that you’re manifesting or or celebrating or whatever it is that you’re doing you’re looking for some answers you know what whatever that is you like also candles or Pinot pillows and blankets or whatever is going to make you comfortable to make you feel is going to be I really actually love to to listen to dancing dance select Lisa Gerrard, magic and you said is my soundtrack goldfrapp for me is another one and she’s an insanely powerful witch and and gives us spells and rituals in front of our faces visually and and threw her words and people don’t even realize it so I’d that’s kind of what I like to do when I have the time to spend on relief. Like I said I know you’ve talked a lot about how important it is to open up chakras and it is really important to do that through the kind of ducks are doing a breathing and end this is really really really opening every single cell and poor and hair and everything in this body that work together because we’re meant to experience a lot of different things and then people are are afraid they’re afraid of everything and it’s it’s actually quite a shame that so many people lives in fear of of change of fear of themselves exterior of identity which I think there is a huge lack of these days you know what social media being so so big and what it is you know I know it’s obvious to state that you know it’s a Time suck her and it’s you know all it does is it really makes people feel bad about themselves and in technology you know we’re more connected today than we ever were and we’re also super disconnected. Only with ourselves but with everything else around us you know I really believe I really do believe that there are three types of people and I think I’ve I’ve talked to you about this before been in the world there’s they’re really honestly I’ve tried to break this down to the most simple simplest form and inform me like I said the three types I think that are out there are aware people people like us people who are trying to be better through our mind body and spirit helping ourselves helping each other helping the environment helping everything Universe all that kind of stuff you know we have to be aware of the soldiers I don’t know how else to tend to say that and then we have the masses who are basically just these zombies these are the people you know that are walking off cliffs to get a picture of walking into the streets and they’re just you know they’re consuming and they’re they’re literally eating each other’s faces while we are standing right in front of them and they have no real awareness that there are doing this they’re just sort of this spoon-fed weird overgrown lump is of sorts in now and I don’t know if there are any if there if there’s any help for that. The masses you know which I like to call the zombies and then let’s just let’s go for the 3rd I believe that the other ones are vampires vampires and those are the parasites up there those are the people that just really latch on I mean it is what it is it’s a vampire is Parasite you know we’ve all come across the state if they want to suck you in and they they need to suck you into all that they created the but are you know I just I basically don’t really pay a lot of attention to that eventually they just get bored and move on so that’s kind of how I died deal with that I guess since we’re talking about three years cuz three such powerful number another another thing that I really believes and is that we have three different brains and I know we talked about this before I made you laugh about this but I do believe that we have three different brains one is our head which is the the Periscope with the feeding tube attached to it if you remember correctly. I just we can go on and on about it you know for all of our logic blocks us from a lot of things and it it also thinks that that it tells us reason but what it does is it ends up talking us out of some really good things also and then we have the second brain which I believe is your heart that’s pretty pretty simple that’s where all the emotions come from that’s that’s where all the pier emotions come from it’s it’s it’s whatever you’re doing whenever you get those feelings of of just being so incredibly insurance so happy and and it’s almost childlike you know these childlike feelings of swords and then I want to move on to the third Friday which is your guts and that’s responsible for all the the intuition that most people just choose to ignore that were frankly I think they just don’t hear it sometimes or maybe most of the time I also think that’s where are most Primal South comes from and I try to use those three brains separately to identify different I guess emotions that come from something situations that happened you know I think you have to be pretty clear about where that is coming from to be able to physically pinpoint if it’s if it’s if it’s all in motion if it’s something that I was trying to tell us they’re just not aware of and I like to when I get to talk to people when they’re sitting in my chair or if I’m having a coffee with some water or whatever I mean I’ve I’ve had some great conversations with people just sitting waiting to get my car washed you know all these little connections I I believe in synchronicity also I think synchronicity is is is a real thing and it’s a huge thing and I think that also coincides goes along with magic you know magic is a a change of consciousness within yourself and also be able being able to to change the rib that Consciousness around you it all kind of goes back and points to the same kind of thing you know when when we’re in tune we not only are better people for everything around us but specifically for other people and I think that’s really important and you know cuz the world that we live in right now is just like I said earlier so full of fear and and come and paranoia and I think that everybody just needs to kind of take a step back and really be accountable and be responsible for yourself in hey we’re not be a little responsible for other people to sometimes I don’t think it’s such a bad thing is to also from previous especially bad is part of the ocean that I have kicked her out for a while I really am not going to stay the name of this this fellow but I will say that I was interested in studying a a very accomplished black time trick magician who has very interesting thesis about the difference between white magic and black magic and into to paraphrase what one of the things he said it was basically that you can if you were if you were to truly be a projectile practitioner white magic then you would not attempt to influence the outcome really evenie evenie life of that because that would be so presumptuous to assume that you have the almighty waste God and therefore Could Do no harm and everything you do is going to be perfectly each of the life but more but more realistic see that that’s that’s wishful thinking is my any more realistically it’s it’s it’s a safer intellectual place to own that if you were trying to make any adjustments on the outcomes of anyone’s life your own & Beyond then actually physically a black magician because you are defying the the natural order of things and it’s all semantics my grandmother they were really trying to influence and actually make these things happen good most of the time it was not good and they did and they did it you know I’m with white magic and and and Earth Magic and sex Magik I I don’t I mean I guess influence I guess is the word we can use for now you’re sort of just taking all of this energy bill topping in one way or another if you know however you felt it up and then being able to use that into I don’t know if I don’t know if I would say influence I would say uh manifestation really some people call it prayer some people call it meditation whatever you want to call it I just feel I don’t know I feel like with with those types of magic in the lighter stuff you’re more of asking verses asking and kind of directing your you’re not you’re not really pushing for this this this intense outcome so to speak I mean there’s a there isn’t there definitely has been crazy intense outcomes with different things that I’ve done before but for me I can only speak personally I out of my experience those who have come out of liver a surprise when they did and then I ended up feeling things are experiencing things I’ve never done before I knew that I hit these other levels out of magic so I guess I don’t have never heard I’ve never I’ve never heard that argument but I do understand what what he’s saying by that answer or might my response to that make any sense I think we’re really getting somewhere because you know the simple I guess the shore most likely people who think they’re doing only white magic are doing great magic and people who think they’re only doing Blackmagic are also do it yeah I know I get I totally did I just have never heard it put that way I can only speak from my experience at all I think that’s where the influencing comes comes in the play is that I’ve noticed and gray like you said or black it is it’s usually a demand for something whether that’s a strong demand or a light one or or whatever it does that make sense what you just said right there is so pivotal because if you like I would love to have to be instrumental in in training a new the Next Generation magicians who who who understand you are not understanding of what the parameters of black magic are to eat I don’t want to do it or I don’t do it and do it for someone to trust that you really don’t do is like how do you define it so you know that intuition brain the gut-brain you know something doesn’t feel right doing something that you maybe you’re questioning to a point you know you that much then I would say stop I mean the same thing goes for like when you’re learning a haircut. funny things when it comes to Magic but also it’s that intention and I mean all four of those to me are before you do anything and I guess you know kind of going back to the house he was in a sort of saying that the white magicians are black and black or white and you know all of this is your job to be to be really responsible in in what you’re doing and what you’re asking and what your intentions are I mean it literally all just goes and points back to the same thing when I look at it you know I’m always very very very careful and I’ve been practicing the stuff for sale like I was really honing in on some stuff and then I ended up being a moving to the desert like I do know we talked before the last couple years and not that really propelled me into a whole other level of magic that I’ve never even knew I was capable of and that’s that’s what sort of solidified the the power that I have is things like I said to help other mothers finders in to claim it and and share my practices and what’s helped me put my mind at ease and not not in not just my mind or my brains and all three of them but but my my soul and everything else has is well you know I I’ve always believed this I believe that people really really really have to Value themselves and I mean really value themselves cuz it’s a direct reflection of how you interact with everything around you not just the other people but Adam Wilson you know that our sins and everything and I feel like a lot of people don’t value themselves these days for whatever reason it is and then like I said where you can sell you endless consuming society and in the end it didn’t they just bursting at the seams with human child basically it’s their eyes and ears are being consumed by you know the Kardashians and the news and the biscuits and you know just all this crazy shit instead of putting other things in in there you know turn the TV off so you can have the internet than the TV bundle in the whole deal I always tell them you know that’s a lot but I am one of those weirdos and every single time I got the same response it’s what do you do what do you do with yourself I don’t understand what you do explain to them exactly what I did or whatever I’m not going to I’m not going to tell the poor girl at Time Warner one network to the other all right where we exactly where when you realize that when you got cut off but if I could bring us back to where to elaborate on and I was going to say the one I love about how you framed the distinction between the white and black magic Continuum is really about what the ad if I’m understanding correctly and I’ll kind of rephrase this is like the step-by-step would be the intention and then the call the intention is to do no harm and to do good or to do well or to heal or to manifest positivity or something of us open generate so positivity as he has the intention and then instead of instead of imposing your your sort of self-promoting self-aggrandizing or somehow that comes from what are you but I believe in a lot of that comes from Eco you know about asking and asking and away and also just trying to coddle it enter to she also harness it at the same time you know there’s a gentleness to it and also the black magic in the darker Arts I find it very demanding when they’re asking its atom and it’s a hey. I feel like a lot of it just comes from the ego you know it isn’t that is what I think is like I’m going to make this happen this is going to happen because I say I’m a powerfuel I I’m this powerful I’m blah blah blah you know when I when I come to my own personal power I let it speak to me I know that sounds corny and whatever but I do you know I left I let it talk to me I mean the other day I was brushing my teeth in the bathroom and I had a really really funny experience on the window is directly behind me and it looks up into these really beautiful trees and I was just brushing my teeth tonight I got whatever it was I didn’t really pay any trees with the branches coming up looks like basically he’s like Kevin Lee really amazing earth Spirits they just look like these pillars with these what their hands up into the air in the sun was coming through for me to be able to recognize that as I’m just one daily brushing my teeth and you know doing whatever to see something like that I think it’s really Spectacular Now and Then that led needs some thinking and then I’d like to writing and then that actually led to sort of I guess you’d call it a vegetable that I said last night I didn’t even really plan on doing on from just brushing my teeth looking up and being just being open and aware enough to accept things like this when when the earth is giving you something when a person or another being I don’t feel like there are coincidences with the black it’s like these definitive I guess like miles to basically justify and validate that your accessory is working does that make sense other assorted from distinction I’m thinking trying to access my normally very inefficient left brain I’m trying to figure out almost mathematical or algorithmic type of thinking to this mechanical or robotic but I think the juxtaposition of the news actually really quite wonderful I feel like magic can be an if-then type algorithm where you basically about what is an if-then a recipe is an algorithm in the algorithm is the recipe so there you have it so it’s the thing of it that way I’d say where we are on this graph for this this these branches that are coming out from a tree or a sort of thought bubble you know this series of steps and process uses that the the intention now I’m kind of seeing how the way to it’s not like it gets completely Amorphis because the intention could be to raise a million dollars for charity which which has elements of it that are are very parameterize do you know you have the not be a dollar amount you have the the sort of limiting factor that it be for a nonprofit organization for some charitable cause that you would hope will be auctioned charity than it would have some wedding on what its value is what is what is a specific charity and what do they do for people that Community whatever it is you know animals once again to that in ten and then your accountability and responsibility to that attention to that make sense so the intention let’s say if it was to save the polar bears you would focus on the help and try calling on not just got all that stuff you know put the energy out there throwing out a million tentacles at one time you’re not quite a fishing that but like you’re trying to zap and you’re trying to get an end open these channels up and try to reach other people I’m in spine that. Sort of tap into their goodness as well you know and end end it’s all I can kind of see what the intention is to save the polar bears do to do all the stuff of course you know you want to be able to hit this goals and that is obviously important but I think that the weight of it needs to go back to what the what the reason and why why you’re you’re why you’re doing this why you feel so strongly about it to me that’s more to me that’s more important you know cuz when it’s with all of that projection and all of that even when you’re when you’re putting that out there too I just I feel like it’s it’s just better all the way around energetically speaking we have it well yeah because you could ask for billing and maybe it cost you a hundred million and if you would have just said get the job done you would have been really really really specific cuz I have been many times when I’m sure it’s going to happen again because I really focused on the on X y&z now I know I was really really really sure let’s go forward a little bit and woe holyshit all this stuff wow okay this is this is incredible you know I’m just asking you know asking for things and not being afraid to ask so I got all these two I got all the pieces but I didn’t quite get them in the order I wanted them in right is that make you know what I mean weather at make the Joker’s like you had your prayers are answered but it’s distributed you know they are dropped but they’re broken in two packages across time and space you have to like hang on to that key that you found in the gutter for like 5 years in that door that you can’t open that you thought you should be able to the keys in your pocket it and then reveal their working towards towards something good it was in a different order or it was just not quite like I said I thought I was even more than I had to go back and look at my writing it look at and that’s my accountability in my responsibility to myself and University anyway I know I mean I know it’s a little tiny things but things has lasers with the order of the universe and that’s why I say you know I will always go back to accountability responsibility and intention and that has actually helped me with those actually put those into everyday use all the time in my life and it and it really really does Century because I’m always stand under them sesef creepy way but you know I just I want to be accountable for my actions for the things that come out of my mouth which is why I choose my words you know in my tone and my delivery very carefully you know I want to be responsible not just to myself but but two other people of the earth you know animals everything I want to be responsible to the magic I want to be responsible to people are saying that that I you know she’ll balance somewhere I don’t I don’t I never considered myself you know I just have to kind of go you hear it enough times from people you got to start looking into it you know and I’ve always been really humble about not just like my hair dressing as well and it’s cool to have been able to the Catalyst that field my inch extend a check and intent ra and yoga and just self-exploration with my mind body and spirit you know and it’s cool like I said what such an intimate exchange that I’m having with my clients in my relationships whether it’s been you know 6 months or 20 years I’ve been doing this 23 years and I literally get to practice my magic everyday all day not just when I’m at work it seems to be more concentrated when I’m at work because obviously you know that I protect myself every single day at work at 10 in the morning I’m up at like 5 or 6 I can’t just get up and go like I need to have a really slow the morning and and just spend some time with myself 3 years ago and she’s like I know it’s going to sound stupid but really she was telling me that I did a really good job and I was able to just walk away from it and not be angry and not be anything and you know if anything I felt that stunted and at their age they’re never going to really have the chance to kind of play another way and I think that it was because they didn’t want to be another way but but what I was saying was she wanted me to be aware of it and I was but I didn’t I didn’t see it through her eyes and never get to see each other selves exactly how other people see us and we never will you know and so she said you know you need to look at yourself in the mirror tonight for 30 seconds straight in the eyes and tell yourself thank you you’re a badass and you should have really fucking good job. Cutting salon or if I you know help somebody out that day or whatever I got a phone call from a client with her friends you know after we talk after we took whatever and they are thinking I have to be really humble you know I’m not passing out and I’m not handing out like free I don’t want I don’t like unsolicited advice you know it’s so one of the first things I do ask people not just with my work and I could be the hairdressing barbering star that could be counseling or are you know just just helping people with magic just keep it really clear it really really really really clear about what your intentions are. Yeah that really setting in and like I said not in a weird obsessive way but they put it really does make you rethink your reactions or even you know have not having a reaction to something is a reaction and I think a lot of us need to practice on a lot more you know not a not having a reaction to something even even possible yeah yeah and don’t keep it on Harrison into some fire you know I mean I try to walk that person away from the fire cuz I don’t know I just I think I truly believe that everybody deserves to be happy it starts with ourselves that it actually it’s that needing that wants to become a better man for myself or and it flows out if you and is infectious you know toddlers but I really do believe it has to be that first and foremost thing you said it’s important to note that says in this some kind of an outline here it is said your ability to stay accountable really if we if we look zoom into that word we’re talking about accounting it brings to mind the notion of a ledger and unassertive bookkeeping and so the bookkeeping is your book of spells so if you if you crave cast that magic spell and you do you set your intention and then you you see that it might be going walk or something but you have the ability to go back to that date and you do it on a spicious days of the calendar so that you can know where to where to go back to it are you confusing software you can search for it but to be able to if you if you just you just verbalize it you may not remember which I constantly have so many different books and actually you know I have one that’s kind of a general one that I’m constantly have about three or four that I’m kind of working at one time always you know one of them is for my partner and I specifically for both of us you know one of them is kind of a general one one is from me and my interactions with yellow lines notebook pads you know like the legal ones and so I just write down a lot of stuff I’m not a writer I just I just ride a lot of things down your bullet point things to make things all kinds of stuff you know you you can you already know or you trying to collect what that smell is what that ritual is what you’re trying to do put it all down and then once once you actually do everything you can either form at it before you know if you want a bullet point the different steps that you want to do like I say if you’re doing a spell the ritual that you created for yourself I think that’s completely fine you want to give things objects meanings you want to you know do it do I’m all for that you know I don’t care what it is you use I like to use a combination of different things that I’ve collected throughout the years symbolize different stuff for me and also I like to use a lot of different crystals in a lot of different God where we going with this I’m so sorry Vizio creating your own ritual is what I was saying there we go and just put a little bit of the power of writing it down so you can go back and check on it and might get the answer you could actually addressed it you know you could be right in a mandarin constitutional freedoms and yeah right down all the stuff cuz I actually do have a cooking diary that I do cuz I like to call so and so I take notes of every single thing that I do and it’s also just really good to go back and review or you know even just to kind of go back and read these books and see you know it’s a really interesting way to tell my own story to myself you know no one really gets to look at these except you know every now and then my I’ll show my boyfriend are you know maybe I’ll show up page or something or two or you know whatever it is I share a lot with him the one that I have I’m supposed to mean I was just really cool Connection in the synchronicities that we have together having said that I’ll come right down and write down your rituals in your spells you know if you eat your your journey as a magician really I mean we do this weekend with our card since you know so it’s basically keeping sort of your own it’s kind of like a journal in a report card and a bunch of other things all thrown in together you know and then again I think it’s just an interesting way of contacting some books that are like 15 years old has moved back to the city of December to write thank you notes bass like it’s all me I can all you know I can see and I can feel that it’s all me but just to watch the evolution of but just the awareness and the openness because I really really really might my 30s for me were about being really open and I thought I was open and I wasn’t certain ways but I was so closed off and scared and invulnerable most mostly on a sort of an emotional level would certain Dynamics and I just was like fuck it you know this I really really really want to know what this is like I want to know what that’s like I want to know what it’s like to really still open and so I had to learn that the process of letting go look at myself as a work in progress as we all are letting letting go was like one of my biggest lessons in keeping things simple Letting Go being present I’m old I don’t take anything personally and I used to take as I was a fucking crazy ass young double Scorpio and pass shit and I I just would be exhausted and I didn’t have time for myself so I had that was another thing that actually made me focus on myself and go okay this is going back to I have to be able to take to help myself and I can’t I can’t complete all of my energy and all of everything that I have two other people all the time you know if there’s a limit there’s a limit that I can get especially like in a work setting are in a social setting is for a social and I am actually quite an introvert I really prefer just like mellow chill kind of stuff you know I was going to say just one that I would like everyone to try to practice is to just really not take anything really personally because ultimately you know I am the only person who’s responsible for my own feelings whatever they are it is a matter of somebody says something to you that’s true or not or whatever it is I get to choose how I feel about everything absolutely that’s one of the Four Agreements Don Miguel Ruiz Four Agreements don’t take things to do your best dentist that take things personally and celebration I have for you so I think this was a good intro and I think too kind of I’d like to just give you one more sort of topic to explore for now and then we can leave it also is a bit of a cliffhanger we can come back I think there’s a lot of stuff more to unpack future episodes so I think that would be good to just have to have this be the very beginning intro kind of introduction to to your pear diamond and I appreciate this is a gold mine this is that I feel like you’re this is such a like I found the end of the rainbow here this is this treasure all about is is beyond I don’t even have words for it I mean I listen to your podcast for a really long time you know any what you know and then we ended up messaging somewhere along the line and I’m just saying is that I’m very thankful that I got to connect with you just just even sending you a note that one time or whatever it’s just all these things that we’ve had I’ve always enjoyed them seriously thank you I mean I know and I can I listen to your show and I know the time of people that you have on all the time for me to be part of this I mean even just one time is is really cool for me to be able to share this stuff with you with you and and everyone who listens to you so I just want to say thanks again I’m super super green food you’re welcome and thank you and if they have mutual honor him and blessing and I would say yeah the thing that’s on my mind for you know something soon to refund a bit now before we close for this this first episode we something that is the sort of throws a monkey wrench into the the very elegant logic that we have worked together here to kind of layout in Spanish of the sizes is what I would I have explored is is sort of the how to be accountable and responsible and ethical with the desire to pursue or seduce someone in the how that well you were sexually stimulating yourself and fantasizing about a sexual outcome with a potential partner that there is like for me I have a sort of framework work checklist where where I do want to have some clear intention in and released released that monitor my vibration around the energy and certainly of the conduct my own conduct in the Fantasy Realm because it is I believe a a a karmic casino to be fantasizing sexually and so you got to be with what are your thoughts on that can be it’s murky territory when we look at what’s the difference between it all that well the grace World of Magic here so we have please take away about what the intention as you know see if you see incredible person whether that be attached that’s that’s usually the person you want to buy what is the most important question is he this and it hit me the right way whatever it is you know like I said that’s really really ask yourself why practice is a bunch a lot of different things are where they are on a spiritual level you know versus someone who isn’t that all I mean to did you did you have liked it with your question were you thinking more about someone who is more open and spiritually aware or in touch with you know themselves and everything around them or are you speaking of just sort of like more social let me have I guess I’ll share with you a little bit of a little bit of intimate details about how I solely what year is this to me I feel like this I very very rarely use pornography of any kind as the visual aid or stimulant for myself because you know when I was a lot younger and a lot hornier and a lot less sophisticated spiritually I would say if I dare say then he was just fodder but the thing is what I and I was also jaculating constantly without any so and that was because of the Paradigm that that I was them at that that area of acid images of human consciousness in the West the surface ship that we’ve talked about before it right so that said to me that what I like what I know now if I would have known then what I know now I would have said to myself to have a practice more like what I have now wishes to Safeway when I fantasize about a future sexual encounter it really has got to actually in my mind be a very plausible realistic potential outcome with someone who is it is accessible by some believe with me and so I’m not really jerking off to dead people and I only brought enough to movie stars and people who unless I really really believe that what I want to do is structure my destiny to encounter them and have us have a mutual Very sensual erotic Mutual exchange I don’t really waste my Prada I don’t waste my see that as my Jing I’m not going to spill my seed in where to put a spell that has really no it’s not really a meritorious or whatever the word will be it doesn’t really it’s not part of my destiny so and this is just me kind of putting my thoughts into the into the original question for Texas is that I feel like the I would either they’re up there are people there are always a list of people who I’m attracted to in my life who are in weed ovarian degrees of proximity to me and in Space the time I suppose but maybe hey sup maybe some of them are are in committed monogamous relationships and therefore I’m also risking the the karmic consequences of of like astral home-wrecking by have a responsibility in that situation is just about being responsible on a sexual and a spiritual and in a personal level and in on a friendship level if that’s where it is too you know I mean I I’ve had experiences with other with other people before and even if it’s going to be a one-time thing from for me or for us or for whatever it is I’m very clear with one wants if that makes sense I don’t just let somebody why don’t open the door. Not physically but you know what I mean just open open the door and let them walk in and when wander around you know I’d I’d like to say okay look you know I am and I’m really really Frank here I have told you guys before it’s like look you know in my mind I’m going okay I know this is probably be like a one-time thing doesn’t happen all that often or it happened all that often but I would say with hey look I’m not looking for pornsex I’m not looking to get off like I want to actually have sex with an nnn if you don’t know what that means you know really that I can cut if you’re willing if you’re willing I can kind of show you a different way of going out this an interesting really super clear that’s where that double fucking Scorpio comes in you know I just I can’t lie and I’m very very very direct and I will say that in my experience I have it’s been it’s been really fine with that and sometimes it’s been really great or like let’s say you know you end up meeting somebody and there’s a connection there’s a little bit of a friendship and then it goes there sexually and then you realize that’s okay I don’t want to be in a committed thing with you or I’m not you know any in a space where I could be in a relationship whether you want to or not that’s just you know what it is to be able to be emotionally irresponsible not to yourself and accountability to the other person as well and yourself I want to have a really good hopefully intense on whatever level sexual experience with somebody that’s problem with most men is that most people I would say in general but they’re just so used to getting off by using corn by using this by using whatever and I just I feel like it when you get it really really really in tune with yourself you’re going back to say it with what you were saying like I just don’t want to spill my seed and then wasted I I feel the same way but at the same time like there have been several times were the sex that I have with my boyfriend my actual partner is incredible and it just keeps getting better and better and better and sometimes I mean we don’t set out for this but like it will end up coming like six times over you know some hours or whatever it is and it’s like holyfuck like Jesus Christ and then you know it’s almost like that sort of Monex states where you just had sex had nowhere you everything just is talking to you the leaves it wasn’t just getting off you guys were able to connect on levels where you really took each other separately and together to other places I mean this I have had some experience with this man his name is Johnny Ray he’s he’s really seriously the best person I’ve ever been with I’ve never been with anybody like him he has experience in the matter with him have been just utterly mind-blowingly shocking in a really good way swear he’s actually aided me in seeing certain things while doing sex magick and while doing some other stuff like that I’d like that I actually saw even though my eyes were closed I saw these things I went places you know really interesting and I took a long time to kind of develop but like I I I don’t know I I find again I just think that like you don’t you just say you have to really be responsible but it do whatever is right for you is what I’m saying like I said if if you’re if you’re in a situation where if it feels right that that you’re going to come again then go for it you know if you can try that you don’t try to do all that cuz that’s because it makes the experience more intense and there’s so much more than just like I said then getting off you know another program to do and and there are a lot of times to ejaculate at all and still have an equally razee go to experience you know a lot of full body in touch with your actual magic right there you know well I think on that note I don’t think we could end on a better a better note in a better place to conclude I think that really is a great a great introduction and this is this smoking hot material and I can’t wait to to keep exploring I’m more of this and zooming into various aspects so for now we’ll see it are there any specific ways that you would like listen this to reach out to you how can I go get a nice haircut it’s the same it’s Mike Bonner hair so m i k e b o n n e r and then hair hair at gmail.com on Instagram I do tarot readings to I don’t claim the psychic I’m not really really really try to connect with people on listen to them that’s what I try to do this first and foremost well I got to say it has been an absolute treat and Prejudice is like such a bicycle synchronistic to be able to just have this Pockets out there than have it find people and then and then all the sudden we’re we’re already talking when you’re adding a lot to to this this archive this is sort of the akashic record that I’m not curious to hear so thank you so much again and I look forward to next time I will yeah everybody have sweet and sweet dreams and a good prayers and magic spells and we will help keep each other accountable and responsible and also remember that intention with everything just intense so important did all right all right I will take you with you Google talk to you so I would actually like to share and I now just thinking of it I have an example of a personal and almost perfect example of a white magick manifestation which will then I’ll create a ritual around this that’ll be done free for a year basically starts in November that’s the the month I was born and so for me not on the same calendar as everybody else when they do their resolutions and all that kind of stuff you know in January I mean frankly it just doesn’t mean anything to me November my birth my own personal earlier anyhow having said that I have been working on just trying to manifest and think about him focused a lot of energy on what I want out of this coming year and sometimes it happens before November sometimes it happens during and and this time it took a couple months and so anyhow I woke up yesterday morning and the first thing on my mind was what I heard was this is just the beginning and I have I just move back to LA from being out in the deserts the high desert in Southern California for the last two years I needed a break from everything the city in and then what not and are all the noise and everything that comes and goes around it that clutters us up so I went out to the desert and a long story short I really needed to clear a lot of things Within Myself And also physically all that all my environment you know that is so beautiful and quiet and pretty desolate out there but it’s booming with life you know you sit there for just start looking and listening and you can just literally see everything breathing, there is a lot of movement actually I’m in that Stillness so when I had woke up yesterday that that raise this is just the beginning was really really strong in my head and the next one was come to life on my desk and just wrote what was coming out so and manifestation for the year which is so cool how that happened yeah I was I was actually kind of Blown Away by it at the end of it just because I felt like I’d gotten such a good I don’t know I guess I connected with a part of myself and I really listened to to to whatever it is or whatever they were trying to say to me in an hour or whether it was part of me as well I don’t know the point is that it’s I feel really really great and humbled that it came out so I’m just going to read you what what this sort of white magick manifestation isn’t this is just the beginning come to life it is the real you that speaks through your rebellious Sacred Heart in this living your life not the monkey mind the mind is not much more than a swirling canopy of Habitual reactions your monkey mind is not to run the show at the moment it might have a lot to say and at times it seems very convincing but it’s not the one in charge remember are three different brands one that had drained brain scuse me the mines brain which I like to also call once again the Periscope with the feeding tube attached that brain is responsible for logic and reason number two are other brain is the heart the heart brain you know the heart responsible for our emotions the death of things and our reactions to things I believe is Our God’s are intuition brain I believe it’s also very Primal and Saul so it didn’t stink you know I’m going to focus on the hearts and intuition brain and remember to the monkey brain rest gets us into trouble and the additional thoughts and creative and energetic Awakening is happening it is so far beyond what the mind is now capable of controlling others might not like it because it means change coming to life tends to do that however it is now and the only real choice I have to make is how to deal with it coming to life means feeling treating the space and just doing it don’t hold back and this process I will uncover the Artistry of the universal Creator and creators I will honor the sacredness of Life by exploring it without restraint and that includes the flow of my feelings I don’t have to do anything with them other than Express them learning how to access feeling allows you to learn how to access intuition creative inspiration and internal guidance I have chosen to come into a body and live consciously within it even in times of pain know and trust that there will be also ecstasy and Bliss as the process of healing and Awakening continues the message is be alive there’s no going back no falling into old ways I have crossed the threshold from an old way of being in an old life and try as I might I cannot return besides it won’t be the same as it used to griever celebrate do both move on there’s a new adventure awaiting me now and I want even deeper connection to my own instincts my body feelings intuition magic and everything I will trust and embrace it and it will trust and embrace me in return. 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