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How the Plantrika Dr. Yalila Espinoza is Healing the Soul of Crypto TPP192

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Yalila PicIn this episode I’m joined again by Dr. Yalila Espinoza for an exploration of her medicine journeys into the heart of the cryptocurrency and blockchain movement.

I first hired Yalila to advise on an experimental healing ceremony design back in 2013 after discovering her great works online. Now over 5 years later, we’ve remained colleagues and friends in the shamanic space, and have done two previous podcast episodes, it turns out we’ve also been deeply immersed in crypto-psychedelia.

It was an exquisite gift to be able to have her on the show this time to talk about this aspect of our life journeys that we hadn’t yet connected on, and see the many emergent properties of mutual understanding and shared analysis.

She’s been doing some amazing work to bring sacred wisdom teachings, ceremony, ritual, and other shamanic modalities into the the heart and soul of the crypto movement. Knowing she has stepped up in this way feels like a new multi-dimensional super heroine has arisen to build bridges from the amazon jungle to silicon valley, wall street, and beyond.

Please visit her website at:
https://inner.one

About Yalila:
With this unique moment of cultural evolution, Espinoza finds herself at the center of an ecosystem where powerful business and technology influencers are asking for healing and wholeness.  While working in hospitals within a medical model and then conducting her PhD research on wellness and healing, she noticed the gap in the delivery of health services and the chasm between her own esoteric spiritual offerings and the specific needs of thought leaders. Espinoza found that her clients, while pioneering new businesses and technologies tended to suffer from burnout, depression, and disease. She realized transforming the human and machine networks of the world, like the Internet, must begin with physical, emotional, and mental transformation of the self. So in 2017, Espinoza founded InnerNet, an integrated wellness advisory offering online programs, one-on-one coaching, and retreats designed to optimize leaders’ potential to realize their missions with creativity, clarity, and compassion. 

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 192 I am being blessed today with Doctor you Lila Espinoza founder of internet and a wellness consultant and she’s been on the show a couple of times before please go to my website and look up you’ll be the Espinoza you will find some very deep it’s a very deep Rabbit Hole added to the things we’ve gotten into in the past with Shamanism and healing work and now we’re going to be talking about healing and Shamanism through technology and through blockchain and all really new and exciting developments that to have have cut the world taking the World by storm and we are Kindred Spirits in our approach to I would say the the promise of of a decentralized more mycelial type of networking architecture for governance and for autonomy in for communities in in having that deep lens of shamanic practitioner work and in Journey work we can I would say really resonating really commiserate on the need for a a bottom-up approach to solving the world’s problems in in and starting with the financial problems in the capital distribution problems startup funding problem venture capital for women Founders for people who are doing philanthropic work there’s a huge need for this and also there’s a lot of people who are outspoken psychedelic Warriors within the crypto space I know that the anarchapulco conference has a a sort of there their opportunities for for for ceremonial work that that I’ve heard about and there’s also a crypt of psychedelic conference that’s happened at least once already if I don’t know if it will win next one is being planned but I had to have some some conversations with folks around that already so I’m looking forward to catching up with you you Lila and please tell us all about what you been up to and I love to just hear that they love story of you you’re you’re recording of the blockchain tech I love hearing about how people you know get seduced and then become Believers yes thank you so much for having me and saw the listeners I look forward to connecting and whatever way is in the cosmic alignment so it’s interesting because I’ve reflected in the past week about my journey with in Shamanism psychedelics and now technology because I’m giving a talk actually later today in San Francisco and I I looked at how you know focusing on the Life Energy centers of our body and how I started off an academic world in the medical model working in hospitals really focused on health and wellness and what does that mean for humans in in this part of our Evolution and became dissatisfied and then went into you could say that the third Energy Center of power and when it is Shamanism and in terms of you know how energy is used in in healing and really the base of a believe in Shamanism is around at the power to tap into these energies to know them to work with them and be in service to our community and so the power of the light in the dark and shamans choosing which way they want to search time is it really the the key difference so I went into a long journey in Shamanism personally 3 Anjali and going down into the previant jungle and having my first three months at Journey with Ayahuasca and tobacco and it’ll in isolation very intense journey and that really well 13 years ago was the start of my connection with technology and Consciousness I realize that now reflecting back because in that dream journey and isolation I came out of that we call them deetta’s I called him so much Journeys and out of that three months you know one might expect you and I are I love myself and I found God or if you know found my purpose in life what I asked that came out of that Journey with was the importance of finding a way to bridge traditional Shamanism with contemporary technology and that for me to be in the world and actually thrive in the simplest way what I needed was my iPhone in one hand and my pipe into back one another and with those two technologies I would be able to to learn how to reconnect with the soul of technology so so then I didn’t think much of it at the time but really then it led me to the second Energy Center and all-around sexuality and sensuality I did my PhD research on that and when it’s my own Journey around that piece of of my healing that needed to happen and then was serving as a counselor and a Healer around sexuality and psychedelics which maybe cuz I was speaking at Horizons in New York on the on my research study and that’s what I met in 2013 the sum of the blockchain folks and one of them in particular who is hosting me we became good friends and he led me into the folks who actually work Hill from the co-founders of aetherium in the start-up projects that were happening in your cat at that time is pretty early 2013-2014 and I can’t I didn’t think much of think much of the technology I just didn’t have that background so I couldn’t understand it but was fascinating is through my serving in an offering psychedelic Journeys Inn in South America to these folks in the blockchain world I was actually able to see how the mechanism of this technology in ceremony so my first taste of it was actually seen it you know hallucinating or altered state and seeing the connection somehow the minds of these blockchain folks are so strong I think it generally in the tech world that it was such a was so invigorating and an exciting because that I could actually asked him to show me you know quantum physics and mathematical equation I could see it and so then okay that I went to you no more of the written information and actually learning about the code and and seeing how and if practical way they would this information was being ground within the blockchain technology and then all the incredible positives that came out of this technology could be the foundation of a whole new like paradigm shift in the way that values is exchanged so that was really exciting to me and you know this this took me a good for years to learn I’m a slow learner and one way but I also like to learn deeply so I was learning it experientially and then your written material talking to a lot of the blockchain founders of Neo various companies and then he knows Tina and action and actually you know getting some of these apps and in learning me know what they can actually do and going to a lot of conferences watching Converses and and that just got really caught up in just the excitement you know this is a space that is just draws a lot of innovative minded future thinkers and innovators and you know just a sense of camaraderie and supporting each other and I couldn’t believe how welcomed I was as coming from academics in healing they they respected me and I respected them and I was able to learn how to you no make that bridge from my world to their worlds and really getting excited about the exchange of our information and so I just was seduced by I not only they technology but the people that were drawn to it and the dedication to changing our our economic Paradigm & in the way that we set up all kinds of you know housing and you know land and food and it is just so incredible so you know here we are 5 years later and I’m still right in the mix of it and you’re really excited now about virtual reality and Ai and how that can be bridged into the ceremonial space that’s that’s my journey so far in NFL well that was so amazing and I just was having chills and I could just cinematically follow along and when you got to the point of when you said you were able to see how the technology Works in ceremony that was so deeply moving and so beautiful because it’s such a multi-dimensional phenomenon and if in it’s so multi-layered into to appreciate I think I I made this comment to a friend is all it was a very very high level developer in his face and he and I I just made a joke in a recent podcast with him I said the Bitcoin makes Bitcoin makes crop circles looks like look like a play school set you know in terms of the degree of multidimensionality that goes into it and it is it is such a I mean and Andreas Antonopoulos recently and in one of his podcast video presentations and interviews he he said that when he read the Bitcoin first year of the Bitcoin white paper but then when you actually read the code it was for him basically like a symphony and he was brought to tears when he could understand the genius of it and it’s so apt for a for psychedelic journey to be able to ask for this for this field of of wisdom and information and Math and Science and Technology and code for it to just presented itself and dance in your mind for you in that place of ceremony where anything’s possible anything can be visualized and so I just think that is so beautiful on the inside knowing that you also this is really mind-blowing for me to knowing that you have this I wasn’t aware so much so basically we had already been talking and both of us had had this sort of like part of our subconscious basically beginning to be initiated into the space but we weren’t really because it wasn’t of our direct backgrounds it wasn’t an instant sort of I guess it didn’t click instantly for me I was explain how work and I thought it was cool and I was like yeah that’s internet money for anarchists that’s awesome you know but I wasn’t an investor I wasn’t a coder and it took a while once I went through you know the second Energy Center sexuality and and it was beat the psychedelics it actually showed me the importance of myself dropping my energy down into the first root Center where you no money safety you know security that whole place at a lot of healers you know maybe feel uncomfortable in or don’t have the opportunity to be in that often that I was able to really staying in this Center and part of it was that I was getting paid in crypto you know years ago from some of my clients who are you know the pioneers and in blockchain and I didn’t understand what that meant at the time I was like okay I guess they’re very kind and helping me open up my first Bitcoin wallet etcetera and I didn’t even understand it at the time and effort to understand it because you know what that meant for me and how to do the exchanges and things like that so I started off and makes it more The Surreal level of the fit if you say mathematics and physics and seeing how matters to me is a version of God of that Godlike energy and seeing how it comes down into the code it is beautiful really need and you see it yeah I totally agree and you know that I don’t know if you how big of a Terrence McKenna fan you are thinking of becoming more of a Dennis McKenna fan over the years but something that I loved about so endearing to me about about a lot of his talks was when he talked about the feminine Spirit of internet technology and how excited he was that we would be able to eventually use things like VR to give people immersive training or sort of it be able to create a visual language like the Ayahuasca experience where we could start to really understand each other better through through a universal language that is symbolic but also based on objects and colors in math and it to me this is such a fulfillment of that feminine Force coming through a lot of people who are you know he would always say that you go to a Silicon Valley startup office and it’s all these microdosing you know acid heads with hair down to their ass and I’d like to hear I know there was a time when you were when you were when you were starting to talk about Silicon Valley and bringing the medicine the same to you go and bring the medicine to those who are really reshaping reality from that level of of power of Technology do you want to just talk more about maybe without disclosing anything confidential of course just some of the some of the before and afters you’ve had the makeovers that you’ve had with some of the tech Geeks and how they’ve how they’ve been able to be massaged by that the medicine Spirits have become to Adorn one of them did gently say to me if they feel it’s not a lie to myself that is that a techie kid learning to love that part in myself and and and also honoring that you know every person is different in their enemies that divers field and that there are some common patterns that I have seen and the fact that I was given the directions psychedelics to serve a particular Community around the you know very influential and Powerful leaders in the text field that I’ve been able to track and and see how they actually lead differently in and really the the number one thing is the realization that the transformation is starts with the inner transformational journey and so even having the giving themselves that time you know few days it’s you sink into a different space in their mind right so it’s not like I have a container and say okay everyone thinking about your project Source. You know you know this go back to your family history and I want you to cry or something not at all what I was seeing is that the synthesis the stamina in the dedication in the Brilliance of these of these folks and that it really good-hearted people and that they were passionate about what they were doing and giving their mind that’s almost like the ceremonial space giving their mind a space to allow other information that may not be in their Consciousness you know at the time she come through and that’s where you hear about folks you know even the microdosing folks if they go to Peru and sit with Anna Ayahuasca Circle and I you know ask a question of it a problem that they’ve had you know mathematical equation or some something on their project they can’t quite figure out and that giving up space to have the different kind of intelligence guide them in in discovering a piece of the puzzle and so I find that you know when in general folks being very compassionate and curious and how these intelligence come together the other thing is in terms of their leadership is that once they are hard intelligence because that’s really a lot of the psychedelics the sacred psychedelics are helping us to tap into that heart energy into once they are in love energy seeing that the influence that makes and how they engage with their team member so you know more of a knowledgement that is it you know they’re all together in this project and higher level and it really honoring people for where they’re at in the heart of leadership is is learning how to inspire people to grow within the company within their teams within the project until having more patients and you know seeing the bigger picture so it’s not all about profit and yes of course I’m surprised and seeing that if if there’s a dedication to the why of their company and of the people that are there then that why and the purpose of the collective purpose actually creating more success and inflow with within the within the company so that’s one pattern also that I’ve seen Etsy the other that the third one is is around these texts Psychonauts of the learning how to bridge technology and spirituality which is always been one of my big passions and I didn’t really know how it so they’ve taught me a lot and in how this connection can unveil itself and in many ways and then coming from their religious background or spiritual background and then how they think of of math and in quantum physics in relation to a fascist like it blows my mind you know when they’re talking to me about this cell this Ray this field of the interplay between the Divine and the and form and structure and yeah I didn’t mean to cut you out there to say I wanted to make that mention so please continue the inner transformation and their their passion and purpose and then the second with the love more love and compassion for all the teams and and then that the more philosophical connection here that those those really stand out for me folks that were with me five years ago are still with me so I actually am able to track you know connect with the Divine or connect with the love Center I mean it cuz it’s not that simple everyone is sort of you’re learning a different piece and and so really what I love to do is trade space that people can share these pieces with each other and in how that actually informs that transition for their next step you know when whatever fits a personal life or professional life but it is still fascinating to me and I’m so very you know intimately woven in with with the baseballs beautiful well knowing now even more haven’t you said all of this which is so beautiful and invigorating and exciting and I just I’m so I’m so glad we’re just In This Moment having this conversation because it has been I feel like I’m it’s been extremely painful and in in triggering for me to to look at the shadow of what’s happening in this in this space which is you know I’m going to ask you to bear with me for a minute while I kind of organize my thoughts on how to how to bring this Dimension to the conversation in a in a good way I’m going to Omit using that the names of any individuals that I will not going to call anybody out or or put any putting it in the spotlight to anyone but but it’s it’s what would what I can see if we step back from from a more shamanic perspective is that there is a in absolute crisis of hyper toxic masculine Behavior that’s creating these extremely almost mythical an archetypal Wars of the Gods and end DIYs always think it’s a play on words to think about how Davis and Davies in in the in and they can talk about the devil’s right so there is it’s almost like The Vedic battles in the sky to me these genius mathematicians cryptographers programmers and them their armies of now the Speculator there’s all these high frequency trading robot armies that are trolling the warring factions and so it’s kind of like if you were to open The Vedas and you see them describing these battles of cities in Disguise and all of his alien foreign hyper advanced technology and the sort of drama playing out and the people on Earth are watching this drama and just trying to trying to create some record of it and most of it is just completely unintelligible to them cuz it’s so far out and so Advanced and almost seems like there’s just this war of the AstroWorld coming down and and duking it right above Earth dropping debris from that that Astro Battlefield and things just like falling on people’s heads and then people just scratching their heads trying to make sense of it so you have the bestest what’s coming to my mind when I think about these these programmers and their projects and their their Venture funding and all of these different puppeteers of technology in this battle between open source and closed source and regulated and unregulated in public and private blockchain Jaden and if it would it would it all is sort of sort of this rhyme of history is just these patriarchal warlord and we would calm just really do she really kind of integrated uninvolved masculine guys who are who are gorgeous and I’m just they’re just getting more and more narcissistic and sociopathic and they’re tweeting and and the technology of social media creates this really kind of Twisted Echo chamber and when I when I bring this up sometimes people will say of you know you’re trying to use psychedelics in ceremony and Shamanism as a Panacea and you know it’s not a magic pill and you know but I just keep saying like I think I need to hear these men do that family work and be brought into a ceremony where do certainly the ones that are that are just creating like threatening to just nuclear meltdown of all the cryptos in the opposing camps and just using their stashes of Mega you know stashes of of Bitcoin to flood the market and to manipulate as tactical that what they call the hash worse but that just happened in probably the hash words just knocked bitcoin price and 1/2 they’re just waving around these lightsabers and in in digging into the charts and and I one waiting for the sort of like trumpeting angels to come in and bring in the Davies you know the akalis in a Durga is going to come in and start grabbing these These are is Zeno by the by the Scruff of their neck and in and actually intervene so I’m wondering I know that’s a lot but anybody who is his familiar with yoga Tantra me all the scriptures that the talk about these epic battles or even from the Western perspective that the mythical Gods fighting you know this is not new and what seems to be the promise of the Shakti movement of Tantra and the Psychedelic feminist movements coming out of their group that you’re involved with there’s got to be some maternal wisdom brought to these boys and their toys you know so that she take it from there I totally resonate with this the Epic War analogy because it is real is that I’ve been to blockchain conferences and meetups in cities all over the states and and you’re up and and what really carries me through and I feel so fortunate somehow I have this eternal optimism and I certainly see the shadow I see the darkness 10 gauge with it and I’m still very optimistic and I think it’s really in my own connection with the sacred psychedelics in that they’re continually I feel like they got my back and they’re continually raising me up and and encouraging me and motivating me a stay steady with in the turmoil and I feel like for a lot of us and probably folks listening that this is part of our role is to learn how and these These are at War like an energy battle that we are centered and we emanate that that love and not always loving everyone per se you know that’s around us and in this these toys with our boys with toys and I do feel I can honestly say neutral when I meet them and I and I just said luck and I just what I’m doing is I’m like an anthropologist and I’m watching am seeing how they’re engaging with the but that the people around them and I start where people are at right so when I’m speaking to some of these folk is not like I think he would be good for you to do family systems work and come to this you know come to Peru like I would never say that I start or people are at I’m like what motivates you right now and you know once the trust his is built by and continually is is building and there’s a softening that happened so you know for me in 5 years in and I I do believe that there is a beautiful sense of respect for each other and trust this building and I’m watching where this energy takes us play so I what I can get really involves is the patience and perseverance and faith and that this is you know way bigger than me I’m being in service and being directed by these other intelligences along with my own you don’t be Discerning and where to actually Channel my energy and then I’m patient and it’s been tough you know I really wanted to get into some of these blockchain meetings and and I have actually is sometimes I’m like okay let’s talk about the let’s talk about how you know the technology is actually had of our human consciousness level as well as our laws right so you know how can we catch those pieces up to the level that technology to actually maximize the benefit of it and then you know how can we actually expire is that Founders and CEOs and and developers to to build that projects that are noble that have elevated intentions that that is a sense of good for all I do feel it’s possible yeah I totally agree I Kevin this is the most thrilling and exciting development in my entire life for sure if not in the history of the battle of Good and Evil on Earth that’s I really feel like it and you can see it it brings out the best and can sometimes bring out the worst but but really even those who would be considered more more super villains now in the space the lot of them started out as Jedis training humbly with Yoda it you know so they all have that imprint of that desire to do good eyebrows really very few people who I think are are fundamentally irredeemable I mean I don’t know if I feel better that way about anybody in the darker the shadow is the more potential there is to bring that medicine from those places so I agree with you and then I fly it’s I guess it’s easy for me to say or easier for me to say in some senses because I am a white mostly cis-male and so I don’t experience some of the author of out of the exclusion and in sometimes bigotry but at least at least Prejudice and you know it was through the women in crypto track at the crypto invest Summit in La last year that I discovered things like there’s only four percent of female CEOs in the US at least and then only 2% of venture funding goes to women Founders and that studies have proven that female executives are more profitable so whether you’re a feminist or not you’re leaving money on the table if you’re in any kind of a position of power in the business world in the investment world to not be creating more balance in in that in that space so I guess I’d like to ask psychedelic feminism Financial feminism women in crypto women in blockchain do you find yourself a building strong Sisterhood networks in circles amidst all of the other boys with toys as he said to align myself with very brilliant women in the field and be there and so we’re learning with each other and what’s just so inspiring is that some of these clients who are in their late 20s early 30s forging ahead and they sell I don’t know how they do it but they just have this determination and and also feminine ways of going through these hurdles in their in their workplace and them in the company’s and let me know some of them Founders and dealing with the hiring of a lot of that males and and and how that that plays out in the power struggles and they just they have such Grace and I just witness them you know managing it all in a way that’s it really inspiring and stay and then when they’re also going through these psychedelic Journeys I see that they just become more and somebody’s determined and focused and incompetent and and you know they’re also patients over time I see them gain their respective of their colleagues and you take a couple years of storming and and then there’s this is kind of settling that happens and so I I am extremely inspired by the women in blockchain in particular and just wants to be in service to them in any way I can so that they can continue to forge ahead also well on that note I would say we should definitely spend the rest of this our here just having you tell us all about more in detail what it is that you provide and what you’re offering and what your projects are now we got I think this was a good sort of philosophical overview and Andre connection for you and me to to get to get caught up in the space but I really would like to hear more and maybe we can also I guess we can go for as long as you are available at today and in this timeframe to talk about your projects and introduce what you’re doing with your hair with your new your new Ventures and and really make this more of a of a promotional pitch for the remainder promotional pitch for me that’s it really exciting right now is I would love to connect with folks who are working in the VR AI space and are interested in psychedelics not only interested but wanting to create platforms where people can engage in these different fields at virtually and so I know it’s happening I am in San Francisco right now I’m going to meet some some folks in the field tonight and for anyone who’s listening that I would just appreciate a shout out and I’m please connect with me that info info a 10.1 i n n e r o n e because I I really interested in collaborating I would love to work on a team whether it’s already clean a project that’s happening right now or someone wants start one I just have so many ideas about how this could coming to that material in the world and I know a lot of folks in the you know blockchain developers as well as healing practitioners and really wanting to be a bridge between these worlds in and connect folks who can contribute to a project like this so that’s my first pitch in terms of concrete offerings right now I think my two favorite people in the world now that had I met through the blockchain space are this Penelope and America they are the Cyber code Twins and their East LA born and raised Latina women in Tech who have taken the World by storm they’ve got TED Talks they have been winning hackathons and they have I think one of the things they developed together with second virtual reality drug and alcohol rehabilitation immersive experience for people who can’t afford to go to like Celebrity Rehab and that’s one application I don’t know what their personal interest is necessarily in psychedelic Shamanism however they seem to be very open-minded and they are 8 leaving One Like a White House award or something like that they’re just absolutely storming the charts of the women in crypto and I’ll send you a link to one of their TED talks but yeah I know that there it would probably be really good allies in that and not space I just wanted to mention them and then yeah go on please continue practical way the internet is offering three different project and the 1st is out there called dinner one Retreats and so these are live 225 day Retreats held in beautiful places for folks to get back to their vital bodies and be rejuvenated by nature to these are wellness retreats and you know cluding Mayo massage and Sound by sand yoga and meditation life coaching and team-building exercises and then some of the in South America do include Ayahuasca and someone Mexico include psilocybin so those are those Retreats and then there is an online program it’s called zero to one building blocks to Wellness and it is I was here I consider it more of like a integration platform for people so that they can continue harvesting the the fruit of what comes out of these lab Retreats or vice a versa can be a good preparation for Allegra tree and it’s focusing on daily Wellness practices and it’s interesting after how many years in the Psychedelic world I’ve actually gone back to the basics and I feel that you know it’s wonderful to be in a journey and see all kinds of amazing things and we still are in bodies in this lifetime in this earth and that I’m going back to you what we are drinking and eating our sleeping near so many books speakers that focus on this and a night it’s because it’s so essential it’s in so really the program going back to the basics and I just reminding us to be but I guess being mindful of our daily practices so that’s the 0 to 1 and then there’s another piece that is it’s actually new and it’s it’s pretty exciting I’m working with a group in Europe and it’s called Legacy Ventures and we’re going to be offering Retreats that actually is facilitated by many different facilitators and shamans from around the world and and so I’m just one of them one of many and offering Retreats on the difference element so have a 1 focus on fire and having fire ritual what does that mean in our lives and in her a lot of these folks are in our Business Leaders CEOs and and then another Retreat focus on the water and the Earth in the air and then that sacred Center so that’s just starting this year and it’s it’s really exciting for me to be cooperative with other leaders and also I just opening up to the European folk sand and feeling so what is that like and what are they wanting these days and then see the parallels in the differences between the United States and Canada and Mexico so that. In a nutshell is what I’m up to you for this year that is so amazing what we do a push-up real needs everything you’re doing now more than ever and I’m just so thrilled I feel like I’m reading a comic book or something in your just the new Marvel comic book superhero in this of swords and in just adding these new new levels of armor and magic and Empower I can just see I see the the sort of thing I get a better sense of the multi-dimensional warrior Goddess that you have just become an indigenous is so exciting to me to tell me more folks who I don’t have to run into a brick wall trying to explain the the seriousness the timeliness the importance the relevance the you know it’s really really demoralizing and sometimes heartbreaking for me when I get stonewalled it’s not about it’s not about losing out on the opportunity 4000 X Games it’s about losing out on the under this will be some I see it is one of the most rare opportunities in the history of political discourse certainly political economic discourse where the radical libertarian and some people would like to use the word left anymore but definitely from the the libertarian to the anarchist perspective this is one of the first time ever that anything from these camps actually became not just mainstream but was so Superior that it was subversive as a side effect of its superiority to the to the to the disorder let me know Malcolm and Malcolm X I believe said something like if you want it over to the system you have to create a better one system but make the old system obsolete is really what it comes down to so I love it when people talk about the Legacy banking system and the Legacy voting system and it’s like we’re already in this Ann turkel crypto Anarchist future where people from Wall Street are defecting enjoying the Occupy Wall Street movement and bringing their bags of capital with them and you know I love people like I will say the name of Joe Lubin I think he is one of my most beloved and endear real shining examples of coming from a feminine place of problem solving and team building in and you see how his Vibe is really impenetrable to all of the pickings and and browbeating is of the progressive alt masc so cheers to him and into the others and Andria’s and other people who keep out of the drama so yeah before I go too far off into the weeds I want to thank you so much again in to see if you would like to share your your website links and maybe if you would if you have time to just give us a bit of a closing meditation that that brings us all together those who were cryptophobia can those who are crypto douchiest and everything in between let’s let’s all make space for each other around this fire. One i n n e r o n e and email is info at in and either myself or my members will respond as soon as we can definitely look forward to connecting with some of you listening now I know that there’s Brilliance all around us and it’s a matter of coming together and matching are our gifts together okay so in terms of thinking of our energies I invite everyone to receive a deep breath then I’ll land here together and reflecting on all this information that has been shared and inviting you to feel in your body where does this information land for you how are you feeling is there an a butterfly’s is your mind buzzing butterflies in the belly butterflies in the heart what’s with activated for you and breathing in is energy and I asked if you’re willing to commit 21 action step spell connecting with you know how you’re feeling right now are you feeling at your best at your most joyful place in this moment in this conversation and then are you committed to an action step that will actually Manifest this feeling and you are unique Vision in the world is taking a minute be very simple drinking more water and it could be very big like asking the sacred psychedelic that you next connect with is it for you anything in between what’s one action step you’re willing to commit to you within the next seven days that will feed nurture your essential contribution in this world then yourself and externally with in the world mache beautiful Williston I just want to say Dad don’t be a stranger please please keep me posted and in the anything that’s coming up any new developments that you want to share even if it’s just a little Clipper Sound by three segments you always feel always free to a to send me anything or to Anna to take to come back on the show I think you were definitely in good company with the other folks who have to drive me on this journey if I explain this material and yeah it’s it’s it’s a real joy to to have met and you know I’m just thinking back into the feeling back into the origin story of how you and I connected in the place that I was in in the what would I resonated with you and the sort of healing journey in the wounded healer journey and now and it’s like look at us now you know we have survived and we’re driving and that’s great so I acted with and also the listeners and one thing anyone who’s still listening if you’ve made it this far. I guess you were the ones that were meant to share this because I forgot to say that one of the newer Evolutions in terms of offerings for those that are in sit-in microdosing sacred psychedelics or plants and trees in your backyard and I also please reach out to me because there is a a new wave of a Soma Journey ask I’m going to be available for folks in Indy pinning into the microdosing practice that’s become so popular these days so that’s awesome alright well you’ll either thank you so much again this is a beautiful experience as usual and I look forward to the next time and you have a wonderful talk tonight and wonderful rest of your weekend and we’ll be in touch, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological and play single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or emo band at contrabands. 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Tantric Story Telling Using Cutting Edge Technology with Kamali Minter TPP164

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In this episode I’m joined again by one of my most highly respected tantric coaches, Kamali Minter. we discuss:
  • how recent health challenges have brought her into deeper self awareness and self care
  • plans for creating a digital detox retreat center closer to nature
  • opportunities for empowerment on the horizon video technology advances
  • virtual reality and social impact
  • restorative justice through media
  • cryptocurrency micro payments to finance humanitarian projects
  • streaming money and real time energy flow
  • empowering the individual over the institution
  • jade egg course coming soon
  • and more!
Please visit her website at:
http://www.spaceforlove.com/
About Kamali:
Kamali is a unique blend of relationship coach, spiritual guide, and artist. She’s passionate about helping people restore connection where it has gone missing. Both in their relationships and their bodies. She offers this transformation through simple movement, meditation, and self-awareness practices, which come from her knowledge of Tantra, Taoism, Yoga, Meditation, Reiki, and Art. Through her guidance clients have healed from heartbreak, released shame and trauma, and learned how to have more sensual, honest, connected relationships.
She has learned from a number of gifted spiritual teachers along the way. She did her 200 YTT with Shivakali Yoga, Tantra teacher training with Embody Tantra, is a certified Sacred Feminine facilitator through Tao Tantric Arts and the Universal Tao, is a trained Reiki Master, and Shakta Tantra practitioner.
Before Kamali took the leap from life-long practitioner to teaching and coaching, she had a 16 yr career in the entertainment industry, working as an actor, director, producer & editor. After graduating from NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts she worked with major networks and studios like: NBC, MTV, TLC, BET, BRAVO, PLANET GREEN, THE FOOD NETWORKand DREAMWORKS.
She now offers live immersive experiences, virtual courses, and private coaching through her company Space for Love. Her mission is to empower people and women in particular with safe, sacred, spaces to re-claim their wholeness.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 164 I’m being joined by a Kamali Minter who has been a guest on the show before we talked a lot about gender and race in the very Sun politics within the township movement and dimensions of growth and evolution that we we sort of share passions for and she provides coaching and teaching counseling services that through space for love.com and is based in the Greater Los Angeles area and has great offerings to for people to next race and so why we were speaking today for one I wanted to kind of come back to and touch some of the touch points that we left off ground which is the potential of really seizing the reins of of do-it-yourself media and kind of bootstrapping Productions to be able to tell us our stories to tell the stories of Tantra how it’s affected our personal lives how how couples are evolving with this and to just really be a beautiful force of concentration in media and income only has a background professionally in in in those areas and so I’m excited to hear about Kamali with what you been up to in in the media front and and what if we can get into some tips and advice for people who are wanting to up their game in those ways but first I would really like to hear about what you have been just personally moving through we talked about some some challenges that you’ve been exploring and clear or finding some deep insights and whatnot on Sole shoe kind of share all about what’s new with you and what’s what’s been happening always gets here to talk with you and delve into some of these areas from a ton truck perspective that are near and dear to me so yeah like just the updates we had emailed back and forth when I was in the middle of a Health Challenge which started with a 5-day migraine episode how much for anyone who suffers from migraines you have my utmost compassion and now that I’ve experienced them it’s not like anything you can really describe until you have experienced it but that led to what ended up being now that I’m finally on the other side of it about a two months recovery process from everything that I’m so it was a very humbling experience that sent me down the rabbit hole of really kind of looking into like migraines and brain stuff and and I had an inkling well with all unfolding like you know because because of your background and if some of the stuff that you get into you I can say the stuffs in this space but then fold it in had happened right around the time that there was a lot of talk about all the solar flares in a bunch of intense energetic and planetary changes that we’re going on and there was some real deep stuff happening in the Consciousness that I had a feeling that that might have been tied into my journey and so as I was losing everything I was going to going to doctor is going to holistic practitioners but also going to Soul readers and looking at it from an energetic perspective as well and got some fascinating information that just really made me Rich the interweaving of you know us as multi-dimensional beings and how everything works printing on a physical level really does have a root energetic cause which is part I think the mystery of migraines actually and why you know that they understand kind of the impact they have and what happens in the brain when they are full but there’s not a whole lot knowing about this the cause and there’s all kinds of triggers for different people so from my personal experience like just done an experiential human level what I received from the whole experience because I think you know health challenges and really any challenges show up in life to help redirect us or to give us some lessons or show us something that we need to see and for me it is asked me to really slow down and do a whole nother level of gentleness and presents with myself that I I don’t know if I’ve ever done in life before when I was going through the the 5-day portion where the migraine was active I actually couldn’t get out of bed I was I had to stay in a horizontal position so I can’t really walk I couldn’t stand upright and I found myself you know as I was going through my healing process being drawn back to a lot of movement work that I would call is very primordial I’m a lot of yoga positions that involves squatting and hip circles and Spirals and with the background in Tantra yoga I kind of knew that like I was doing something that had to do with my spine and Kundalini and I didn’t know exactly what I was doing to help my body I knew that it was it was bringing me relief and that I was following sort of a deeper inner wisdom of a what needed to happen through the process cuz I was sort of one of the frustrating things with the think anyone who’s experienced health challenges that are bit more of a mystery can relate to and that is you know people have their best gas but no one can really tell you what exactly is happening or if they can’t tell you exactly is happening then you’re sort of left to your own devices to figure out how to heal you which is where I kind of found myself is trying a bunch of different things until something clicked so I healed myself with a lot of movement actually went back to some basic Qi Gong stuff and basic yoga stuff breathwork meditation I was working with Mantra so is doing a lot on an energy level physical level in that way and then I was also working in on the herbal side and you there was stuff going on with my nervous system and there was stuff happening I’m along the spine there was stuff happening in my sinuses and brain area and so was taking stuff for viruses and bacteria is and boosting my immune system and doing all these different things and slowly by slowly was kind of like crawling out of a rabbit hole and very recently I’m actually finally got you a general practitioners to general doctor cuz I’ve been sort of seeing like holistic doctors and he has to learn specialist chiropractors in different things and the general doctor I did have any active symptoms by the time I got to him but I described everything I’ve been through all the different symptoms the floor where was flaring up and and he is best he actually said I could have had a form of meningitis or Encephalitis Westwood I looked up the definition there like tie to death I would like yeah what you know I knew when I was moving through the process that it felt intense like it started off as migraine but I felt like there was so many different layers to it so I got to say you know on an energetic level though I had to turn around a total about-face probably about 2 weeks ago is when it finally came to a resolution after actually an energy healing session I had with a body worker I’ve been working with 40 years now and there was something that switch like there was literally an internal aha moment that happened in the session I got really present to the cost I had been paying in my body and my soul for holding so much space for people and you know Michael you know something only have I learn to do very well and take great pride and honor and but I’ve had wonderful spaces health4me that have been such a beautiful part of my gross in evolution and so when this ton of bricks hit me like honey you are tired of holding space but it was it was it was the way I had been holding space needed to change and so I got very clear about like just hitting an edge or an ending of a particular way that had learned to hold space which had to do with the limited I parts of myself you know those things continue to fire even as you awaken and even if you come into spiritual spaces that are more evolved but I learned how to put that stuff away in order to show up in a few other people and this with my spirit going like yeah it’s time to do that differently so after that shift popped in literally I could say that whatever my body was being prepared for through this whole physical process opened up to a different energy like a whole different energy just opened up in my body and I was describing it to A girlfriend of mine and he’s also and my tantric Sangha that it felt like I can I really in a moment connected to that raw Primal energy of ma of the goddess of that you know thing I know in my mind of when you touch power real power it’s neutral and it can express in all kinds of ways you know can express SSD plus Express Express says passion like there’s just so many ways of power can express and when it’s coming through the purity of divinity all those expressions are welcome you know but somewhere along the line and I had judged certain expressions in myself is not being appropriate for certain spaces and so there was like a reclaiming of those expressions and a retaining of Billy Dent at developing a certain Brown inside myself that I can now have those expressions in a way that’s not coming from my ego and that’s still in service to laugh so so we’re coming home my healing overall the whole thing ended up being a process of coming home to parts of myself that had gotten fragmented wow that’s beautiful as it seems like what the enlightening approach to pain and even disaster and just recovery is it if it if it’s your guides giving you the signal by any means necessary to look at something or correct something or change something that you were all running at such a fast pace like how are we going to even listen without more meditation and more self-care time especially being in positions of service work you know it’s a lot to take on so I hear that you know I I I have my own my own bouts with this kind of stuff as well you know being a shadow let me think you’re being a lightworker but you’re also a shadow worker to if you can’t be a lightworker unless you get you work through the shadow so that’s where you pick up all these all of this sort of toxic load and and it’s over isn’t it weird that could you ever feel like about forms that clients have can I can get transferred if like a cold if you’re not if you’re sort of new system is in 100% And then they can sneak into and hack your life experience and find legitimate ways to push your buttons and you don’t know that they’re even there yeah I mean there’s there’s would like you know I feel like over the years I’ve had to come up with or learn to laughter tool for clearing and cutting and letting go of the things that are naturally you don’t get taken on doing this kind of work and just being empathic in general I think anyone is empathic is used to taking on other people’s stuff you know but but yeah I like even even with that there is there the accumulation of other people’s stuff that can happen and the impact that can have and then you know this particular experience I was having with Ethan just the side I think there’s ways that we can become hardened in our spiritual identities on without even recognizing that it’s happening sometime you know like where we get used to expressing or experiencing a spirituality in a particular way and then it can get stuck I just had a vision when you said that is like hey Mom look like a my sandcastle continue to tear down to destroy it over and over and over you know and I was like okay you’re done with that I need ya I’ve been going through a lot of that myself and actually I started to have the reason I really wanted to hone in on what you’ve experienced is a good I started to just have the beginning onset of some pretty not totally debilitating but but almost totally debilitating headaches and I didn’t know exactly why and I just feel like this age of getting too late 30s I really know that you can’t just treat your body like you can’t Joyride your body anymore you know you got to really do a lot of self-care and so things that can I have been going on for years for me it was just that I got off coffee a couple years ago and I wasn’t a huge coffee drinker but I was I don’t think I have used coffee but when I convinced myself that drinking green tea was better I started to abuse became dependent on it and then I started to up the dosage and then finally just started putting advice on my head and I said this is got to be what it is so I stopped and it went away and and I had just had to check in with myself I heard one of my shamanic Mentor say how can people be trying to seek their true self when they’re jacked up on coffee all the time survival tool for many does have an impact you know like I I mean that the irony of it though is like caffeine is also supposed to ease headaches but that’s one of the main ingredients for like migraine medication caffeine in Excedrin Migraine but yeah the headache Peas I email I I actually as I was moving through it you know says I couldn’t tell if it was that thing that happens when you’re fixated on something minutes are showing up everywhere around you or if it was actually showing up everywhere but I heard about more people dealing with head stuff than ever before in this last 2-3 months. In different ways like sinuses or for some people’s actually more flu symptoms or sinus infection stuff you spell ahead stuff happening makes me want to get out my tinfoil hat and conspiracies theorize about conspiracies about neisseria could be radio ways I mean just we don’t even know that is a ticking Time Bomb for sure that we’re not even at all prepared for and I certainly don’t do you know the best advised minutes to totally unplug no lights no radio frequencies but Wi-Fi is that as a view have you explored any of that sort of it was a part of part of your process of kind of hacking this condition was looking at that kind of stuff people who do you experience migraines are bad headaches probably are familiar with like the light sensitivity and the Sound Sensitivity and all of those pieces and that I had that acutely I could look at my computer screen or my phone for a couple of weeks and ironically I was in the middle of launching a woman’s that was a virtual course like preparing the lessons for it and and then I would have to get on my computer to actually give the class with actually quite an arduous task because it was like anytime I was looking at a screen it was activating my frontal lobe in a way that only recognize that correlation their technology detox hopefully you are you going to be creating blog posts and just even workshops and just ways to teach this kind of bundle the devices you learn to this chapter just kind of help transmit that coming I’ve been interested in talking about digital detox for a while luckily I actually am getting married next month and my soon-to-be husband and I just bought a house up in the Grass Valley area north in the woods oh nice and yeah we’re just like that call to be in the trees in a Nature’s there but part of my my larger desires actually to create it at the retreat center for people wanting to get into embodiment practice and you know all of that so yeah that’ll be coming that’s great that is in this what it what poetic life narrative stuff right this is so literary and start from that pain to be motivated for you know a lot of things it’s it’s so you feel like it’s over all at this point having a bit of distance from the acute stage has it’s ultimately perhaps it hopefully yeah I mean absolutely like I email I luckily having the orientation that I had like for me like the tantric orientation is there are like two sides of the same Spectrum email as a spiritual being it sure is effective and cracking some things open or shifting something so yeah absolutely I definitely can see the gifts in it and hopefully we’ll be able to get more chronic refreshment through gardening and being deeper into the the wild right is that something you can forward to having more more I guess you know we talked a little bit about the permaculture staff and I’ll yes I’m really looking forward into getting into some of those pieces a little bit more cheaply what this land cool hopefully you can find some good permaculture interns that want to learn all the great stuff he had to teach and then it’s really all about reweaving those Mutual e-service synergistic symbiotic Community Dynamic social and ecological Dynamic so I feel like you yeah you’ve done the city thing for a while now alright I’ll be here and I’ll be going back and forth but but yes for a little bit more of a shift to the internet chair cool will that that feels like a good place I think to to shift into the the more General topic if you’re feeling good about it yes so cool so yeah it’s been just to kind of pick up where we left off before I was I was toying with this idea of a Township makeover reality Series in and it’s a web series of webisodes just self-funded you know a sporadic as as is as available no guarantees that prayer that wish is is really unfolded in some pretty bizarre and wild but interesting entertaining ways and it’s not exactly exactly what I had envisioned originally but it’s certainly it’s certainly an expression of the intentions that we share that we talked about which is to kind of give a lens to do the tantric transformation of people’s lives and to really hopefully beautify and reclaim some of the real true Majesty of what possible when the stuff is done you know in a I don’t want to say right or correct way to say in a in a ethical and responsible and maybe Elder guided waves that just made me want to connect with you now that things are kind of moving in that needed Direction More again for me to just come full circle to where where were you can share more about your the inner workings and assertive behind the scenes of your journey within that space and and how that’s evolving for you and where you’re at with all the for my my background was in entertainment for 16 years I was working as a everything from an actor to filmmaker both riding directing editing and producing and worked in the mediums of books and television short films some Webster and I was right at that crossroads from like film to Digital Cinema making yeah since I’ve been in that world there’s been even another you know like I’m watching this like move or opening up as like 360 video and virtual reality for computer I mean here’s the thing that’s fascinating like my original love affair with media had to do with its power its potency to reach people emotionally you know until I actually discovered tantric spaces and personal development work I think the the movie theater was the first place that I watched people get so engaged in something emotionally and touch emotions and emotional spaces that I didn’t watch them go to in normal everyday life you know as easily and so I think that was my first draw to it without even being aware was just the power or the potency of media to impact us on a psychological and emotional level until I think it’s still the draw that it holds and why we are so screen abscess it’s not because we actually like the devices themselves if we like the way you know the content that they’re carrying makes us feel the infinite Pharmacy or you can dial in the cocktail of your mood I mean an and here’s the the reason why I like you know it’s it’s inherently neutral and it can be used for good or evil 4 creation and evolution and growth or destruction and I know and I and I think part of what were were in the infancy of really of media being used in the ways it’s used now you know since the World Wide Web. 1st and social media blue and we’re really still in the beginning stages of fat to work we’re both just still learning about the how we can use these Technologies but also some of the detrimental ways that it’s been impacting us like I think they’re just beginning to do studies you know now in the last 10 years about the impacts of screens on young children and the development of the brain and all these things and so we’re probably still 10 years maybe 15 years play from having like Surgeon General warnings about email yeah yeah it’s how could you not there when I see that it breaks my heart and I think about the level of intrusion or invasion of Technology into my childhood and it was pretty minimal and even though I spent so many hours playing video games I think I spent at least half as much time developing myself I’m in the physical plane you know personally and I die you either with used it the hero archetypes and the monster and Demon slaying of the video games and try to apply that to my life purpose and not always succeeding but now I just see people collapsing into the virtual they’re just a shell of a body that’s filled with obese agentic calories and just how it is so so heartbreaking and said assuming these things unconsciously without really looking at the way that they’re impacting lives in our relationship and I think it’s at the very very baby beginning stages of Shifting like there are conversations being had about the way were using technology and media and I think those things are going to just conversations hopefully you’re going to discontinue to get louder and louder because like you were talking about there are ways to use media and technology that can actually enhance the way we are interacting with each other and the planet and yeah and so those are the that’s the Forefront I’m excited about interested in continuing to engage media on and particularly interested in you know the VR space which can go to different ways you know you talked about the video games and that sort of the impact of I’m getting drawn into Worlds you know that bring us into the hero’s journey and whether that’s you no more violent or different ways we can experience virtual reality in that way there’s also some work beginning to be done with virtual reality around social justice that I find to be really exciting and that’s actually area I’m really interested in right now is like how to use interactive media and br2 help do things that create empathy or to help create understand someone who maybe is living a different life than you or having a different experience than you because what better way than to actually step into their shoes or to be immersed in an experience that allows you to feel viscerally something that might be foreign to you you know so I think that where we can go in terms of exactly what he’s when you start to think about it in that way you know I’ve had these fantasies of what would it be like I wanted to build physical theme parks to bring people into eras of slavery into eras of just to basically like those said that Society for Creative anachronism step is used to see historical societies that that basically sustain their lifestyles in the Technologies of various time points historical time points right you’re familiar with the just that whole kind of subculture of people who are continuously living or day job living in this and I’ve always wanted to take that and radicalize it so it’s like the people’s History of the United States immersion program Chris you go through all these places but now you’re saying with virtual reality you could make a production and you can make that possible if you have actually started looking into the back and back in 2013 with the first time I took a stab at creating some projects for interactive virtual reality space and one of the ones I worked on with a partner Tony Drennen who’s actually still working in like the comic book world and narrative stuff now can you drink world-building now but we worked on are we created a project called the let-go which had to do with helping people actually pinpoint moments in their lives were heartbreak happens the emotional process or reaction to heartbreak that can lead to shut down shut down shut it down and kind of guide people through a process of beginning to let go I’m culminating in the sort of an experienced it helps you forgive you know at the find some forgiveness so we designed this whole like simulator that people step into a casino stage narrative styles with like interactive prompts to the audience had to answer on there no smartphones a plan and we actually submitted it to Sundance New Frontier Festival. Considered you know we didn’t get to the next step with it but it was it was an it was the first stop in like you know playing with creating something for that world that was a blend of like what I’ve learned from this work with that technology and so that open the door and but I had to like come back to my business and I had to keep working this side of things and I was going to be taking up too much time so I can put it down for a moment and it’s fun cuz I’m literally in the last couple of weeks I’ve had some other filmmakers some of my clients are actually filmmakers and some of them have come back recently won with a project is working with virtual reality and she wants to create a whole thing around black women and grease and like not having access to their grief which is you know how you end up with so many angry black women are The Stereotype of the angry black woman because we can’t touch our sadness and so there’s just like that like that project totally excited me and there is no we started brainstorming around that and there’s just a handful of ways I think that you can address him very specific issues happening in our current culture both around race and gender and sexuality and class and even environmentalism that can I can different experiences and artistic Expressions can be created to help put people closer to being in touch with you know some of the things that could shift those pieces inside of them so. That’s the frontier that ice that’s really juicy to me and it is kind of like what you’re talking about in terms of a theme park ride that is this virtual this immersive experience and it’s blending the email the power of Storytelling and seeing ourselves Racine truths about ourselves or our lives reflected in a way that we can actually be with them and not just be with them but maybe even be offered new ways of with those pizzas yeah this is still thank you for bringing this to my attention and for sharing his vision because I had not really considered this deeply if at all and in these these tools are being developed so rapidly and it does take yours is a learning curve but if you have proclivity from media experience then and I certainly there is there is the the intern class who are sort of cutting your teeth on the new technology and they can be helping people who are more in a amateur kind of directing place to to have that that ever knew emergent energy I mean a lot of professors and stuff in Labs research about to say this is all on the backs of my of my grad students you know this stuff like that so hopefully hopefully you will be able to work smart not hard to do more with less than that and not be on the screen as much but actually have the help that you need to bring these visions what I just had caught a flash of was just the this could be really big because when I in addition to to all of the dimensions that you’re considering something that hit me right now is that the government-sanctioned like fear and scare tactics that they have used through media for things like when I’m having flashbacks of growing up and it was like the drug diversion of the that I was exposed to that were supposed to program me to be to not misuse Woodshop tools because of the heinous accidents would happen to not be home for the sex-ed videos that the negative outcomes the things to sort of horror that they project into the minds of young captive audience students in classrooms like I’m not wanting to perpetuate that vibration but what it what that tells me is that if they were willing to show me my young State of Mind like these gory enactments of the negative outcomes of breaking the law or drinking and driving us things they they were pretty almost are rated I mean they’re pretty intense so if it’s if they can if they if that’s the letter that’s like the Baseline for what’s acceptable I don’t see how you couldn’t create modules for standard education so if you studying American history and you won’t understand what the Underground Railroad was you’re going to get to experience it not just watching a documentary you know the stuff like that so I’m really kind of getting chills to think about where this could go and in that that’s a great you note I order some of the like if you had a blue sky budget or if you know you had all the time and energy and resources in the world if this is your passion now immediate how what do you have what would you do in and then hopefully people can find ways to chime in and support you in any help to further what your your Visions are like I’m really interested in collaborating you know right now and like part of what I’ve been doing is just getting very clear about what my particular skill sets are and like what I have to offer that space and luckily somehow in the process of me getting clear is beginning to help attract some people who are you no good at the other things but you know I could cook so we can all collaborate and support each other and in ways that most excited about collaborations that are an intersection of really like experimental or artistic interpretation that’s blended with some kind of social justice cause that’s grounded in reality you know whether that is connected to radiator is connected to gender or is connected to environmentalism those are some of the hotter topics for me that’s addressing you know something in those Arenas and is doing it in a way that it has been sold as a blend of part Workshop part like storytelling like movie-going event and almost like you described like part amusement park ride and now there’s just like a novelty to it my my work when I was making films always was quite Whimsical like I my my voice or my tone is always been to address relationship of from kind of Supernatural sir real perspective and that’s still very much in me and I like working with people who have a similar voice and I think like some of the things that have bubbled up is that I really want you initially work in the realm of emotions and what I’m noticing around social justice stuff and this current day cuz there’s so much that’s come forward you know everything from the black lives matter movement to everything happening with me to to just like you name it there’s like a handful of movement that have been really big in this last five years. Thank God for them and at the same time when I’m noticing is like there’s an impasse or there’s almost like I’m stuck place with inside of these movements with inside of social justice usually in general where there is like this heightened emotion getting the stories are cost for getting the message across that then of course makes anyone who perceives themselves as the they’re on the other side of that message makes it hard for them to receive it or to hear it and so we hit these roadblocks where there has been a real dialogue or conversation going on between the parties that need to have it and a lot about a thing has to happen because you know the women that have been coming forward with their stories and the people that have been coming forward know that the groups that have been coming forward talking about the institutionalized ways of being marginalized and lives not being valued like there’s so much charge and emotion built up around these subjects in people that are living these experiences day today that there needs to be spaces for 4. To move and I don’t know that like the general public space is a place where that energy can move and actually move all the way through to a point of healing and so I’m really passionate about creating spaces for you note for people who have considered themselves to be a victim of an unjust system and some kind of way or patriarchal system in some kind of way to have spaces where they can actually find some some layers 50% lean around some of those pieces whatever their particular story is and then the second part or addendum to that but I’m really fascinated and working in is then how do we build the bridges how do we build Bridges with people who are on the other side the so-called perpetrators stories because they’re still humans to and there are the humans that were asking for different behavior from and if we want to know the people who’ve been perpetrators to show up differently they have to First Care and understand why their behavior has created this pain how do we get them to those places you know I got the whole nother work in and of itself and then and then how do we build the bridge between another victim and the perpetrator so that’s kind of what Spencer to be emerging from me in this last year as an area that I really feel passion about continuing to explore both just and the work that I’m doing but also through this emerging media Arena well I’m having shows because I realized that what what could be an extension of what you’re talking about all these things adding up together and another dimension that we haven’t discussed yet but it’s become a big passion and growth area for me is is the what’s happening with cryptocurrency and it becoming relating it to this this media world were talking about one of the one of the most prominent in and I believe trustworthy and ethical spokespeople within the cryptocurrency movement worldwide is this this fellow named Andreas Antonopoulos and he one of his statements I’ll paraphrase is just basically that we’re moving in a direction where as these cryptocurrency Technologies really what they really need to ossify and get solidified and really kind of layers will be built on top of them but they’re still kind of in the development phase you’re very much its early stages of development and there’s no sure bet on which one or which ones are going to be the the final of what I guess they’re the most solid solution but as the technology involves at what’s going to happen is that we’re going to experience this phenomenon that he described as streaming money where you won’t have to wait for any delays and transactions and you won’t have to transact based on personal at 1 our time or units of the units of measurement of time and and availability and access is of value transfer all that’s going to go away the same way that downloading files is gone away in the sky Paradigm of content and communication is going to wait when we get to that point where money is streaming at that velocity then if you were to have a internet-connected head piece that had a mic and a camera on it then literally would say you were living in some totally oppressive environment anywhere in the world if you could put on a headset and you could be broadcasting your video and audio signal to the world people could basically be subscribing to your life experience your live documentary live experience and paying you to literally like okay magic somebody who is completely impoverished and someone just drops a bunch of these internet-connected headsets with the cryptocurrency wallet enabled on them and it’s like hack your way out of this situation and you we will Finn money is just going to flow into your cryptocurrency wallet you can use that to buy your education to put your kids to school and the matches like the model of the old model of give money to a charity they take 90% off $0.90 out of the dollar and you’re sponsoring some kid and you don’t even know what’s happening you could literally with this technology now I see if you want to empower people to share their stories we can put our money where mouth is from the people who are the owners in the philanthropist in the first world and Empower people with streaming money and and and support their Channel and I just likes and thumbs up but with the cheddar you know is if she’s okay yeah yeah and I had its funny I haven’t gone down the rabbit hole fully I I think I got pulled in around the same time there was the boom where a lot of people started investing what was that like the middle of last year kind of thing and tours in the last year . started educating myself pretty quickly and it’s a fascinating yeah but yeah I I think that the part you’re talking about in terms of this streaming money and it moving like real time without the delay like what it makes me think of is just about the reconnecting the idea of like currency to our actual flow of energy like there’s no Delay about like the minute we do something has an impact even if we don’t see it in the later you know and it’s like having our money being able to keep up with like our actual moment to moment changes but yeah with all of the stuff you know the technology to crypto and where it’s going and the the media landscape be merciful like where it’s all moving I think is this space back to empowering the individual over the institution you know is that like you know the institutions have had their rain and the fine mess that we are all living out and and I think part of you know and they say power to the people like on a real practical level as people wake up we really are stepping back into the idea that we have impact like the real value in this world the real currency in this world you know is in the people if you can actually give people more tools to reach each other and organize themselves and start to wake up to what they really value just you know what’s been handed to us through commercial and advertising and you know these things that were she used to shape the way we use our energy and spend their money like as we wake back up to the real valuable things in life which is like you know the food we eat the water we drink the air we breathe the human connection we have we get to vote with our dollars we get to vote with how we use our energy we get to start to really shape our world hopefully using all of this new technology you know well at least the way I saw down is suspected in the I’m bored a fight at the idea of having to catch up with 3D and VR and if if your text if you’re taking that on I just want to figure out ways to to sponsor somehow what you’re doing and yeah because I just realized like I’m just barely getting to the point where I feel like I might have a clue about how to cancel shadows out with lighting for a HD 16 by 9 whatever and and that’s already like betamax that’s that’s already like I’m behind the times that this will hopefully we can help each other are you already I was going to say is just on podcasting to me is also been on the rise and you’re very familiar with how to use that medium and ends when virgin absolutely no thank you I appreciate that very much and I definitely am going to do my best so what can with what do you say to have on the horizon what what can people be looking forward to is for resale your offerings and projects coming up the moment I am working on the the next project next course is a time a jade egg course which I am happy to be finally putting my hat in the ring is DJ Diggs grown in popularity over the last year for people who may not know what it is it’s you know of this little tool that you little egg looking things made out of Jade or a number of other different stones that they come in that you insert in the Yoni or the vagina and you do practices around it for healing Andre sensitizing and I just find it to be a really great practice for women who are looking to do everything from heal from different types of sexual trama to restore sensitivity and pleasure and there is no vaginal Canal or just engaging and sexuality and I think it’s a really good practice to develop just to continue to develop that muscle of sovereign sexuality a lot of times people become dependent on this idea that you need a partner for sex or engage your sexual energy and sometimes I find you know the working with broth in the movement which is the basis of a lot of my work people are fighting their minds and fighting boredom which is a part of the process and what’s fun about the Jada gives that it’s the sea no physical tangible tool that you can be in relationship with but it’s still your own practice it’s still your own Sovereign sexuality you’re working with them so developing a course on that and that I’ll start sharing and my newsletter probably in about a month and a little launch September 7th to fix the date for that and yeah other than that I’ll be preparing my house in the woods for the treats and hopefully announcing the first Retreat either at the end of the year or the top of next year and the media products and continuing on the siding of media is always a longer game takes longer for things to get made and come out and so they’re some irons in the fire some things bubbling that’ll be developing in and I like your idea as I ever need support you know maybe I’ll launch a patreon account or something and invite the community to participate in those ways but I’ve always find me a common regular email yeah I send updates and resources and things like that awesome well congratulations again on your upcoming marriage and if anyone’s going to help give marriage a good name it’s going to be your strong and healthy couple of them that the world will be celebrating and I am just thrilled that you’re making all those private and then green yogini witches unite casual under the full moon in a bonfire that’s that’s great to hear a city which is get out there and yeah down and left in the forest and do these amazing yeah healing rituals and all of us men will just just be dying to build the infrastructure to support that that goddess worship practice you know by all means support this just have to praise you and thank you so much for for holding that that level of Integrity with what you’re doing and yeah I just went through and in one people to of really really check out what you doing referral since the platform and yeah for the work that you’re doing as well so much appreciate it if you would like to share some closing words and website links and best ways to get in touch with find me at space for love.com space for loves.com sign up for my but I think what I’m offering is there’s a meditation that she get right away just to get up at the flavor and then of course we’ll get updates and all that stuff about classes and workshops and any deals on off ring with those things and yeah you can find me on Instagram we are space for love and Facebook as well and yeah especially if you’re interested in the vagina and course or you know any of the things that we we talked about I share I try to share the things that I’m interested in in in the newsletter that I send out along with the actual working offerings that I’m providing so thanks for having me on and it’s always a pleasure to to dive into these faces with you and to be able to talk about these things so yeah I would I enjoyed myself so good times and get medicine and thank you so much again yeah we will be in touch and please continue to your great work soon and we will hopefully talk again soon good night thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.drudgereport.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 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