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Permaculture Eco-Warriors Establish The Moshram Part 2 TPP281

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In this episode I’m joined by MC Mycopath for a two part series on the past, present, and future of his personal permaculture journey and the establishment of The Moshram

My Non Verbatim Show Notes

MM:

10 years doing landscape consultations, small scale urban repurposing of people’s front and back yards, more hip with local, everything that’s taking place, microbio in soil, plants that co-mingle,

also consulting folks with health

certifications achieved through multiple biochemists

learned that the more fresh foods that we consume, the healthier our cells are

the body that takes us around here

with that, understanding and passion for that, I really wanted to be able to provide highest quality product of food for myself and others, coupled with education

spin farming, brother and I spin farming, didn’t necessarily bring in permaculture

added permaculture principle layer to spin farming

densely growing high value crops in small area

regenerate the living systems

help maintain my living system, at a cellular level, also at a financial and social level

been about 5 years, that I’ve been on this site, had multiple sites over the years

site, least likelihood of it being taken from underneath my feet, all apart of journey

seeing successes and failures in past projects

led me to finding this space

it was through a friend, that was aware that I was looking to scale up

spin farming in brothers back yard, with brother

then when on to slightly expanding at space I was at

really like to bring it all to one location and just do this

generally around vegetable crops

annuals predominantly

put in a layer of perennial crops

also longer term species, fruit trees

learned fascinating things about fruit

fruit tree requires least amount of water over long time period

gives back a lot to soil

soil is really just millions or billions of living organisms

eating pooping, dying, whole things perpetuating

through roots and leaves, branches, fruits, they drop all feeding system

year in year out

bring together this whole concept

put it at a term, silvopasture

rows of fruit trees, or some type of tree

aid in creating shade

aid in slowing down wind

not requiring a lot of water, relative to other annual crops

in between rows, would grow annual crops

maybe these annual crops are things just to regenerate soil

rotational crop, in between lettuce, grow vetch, cow pea, to reinvigorate the soil from what was depleted from what was the previous crop you cultivated

what we set out to do here

very densely packed rows of vegetable crops to sell at market and too individuals through CSA type program

longer term species of varying fruit trees

simply move forward upon goals of project, something that’s always an unknown, fortunately and unfortunately, that collaborative team of 3 individuals broke down

mediator, wasn’t sustainable, they didn’t vibe well, both wanting to walk away which they did

I was not very interested in walking away from another project, having it swept out from under me, again ,because these two egos weren’t collaborating

move post differences

differences got in the way

I wasn’t feeling, stepping away from all of the work we had done from contouring the land, to bringing in so much organic matter, infusing bacterium, all sorts of soil microbiology

perennial fruit trees, you have to wait some time, 3-5 years minimum to reap harvest

I didn’t have it in me to just be like you guys aren’t into, either am I, I am into it

don’t just want to do it here, want to perpetuate this stamp, different biomes

so cal region, mediteranean biome, only about 7 med, climates on the planet, tend to be the most lucrative for humans to co-exist with surroundings, temperatures, food crops, wild and domesticated

love to see what it’s like in other bioregions as well, other climatic elements

we’ve got going on what we have here

you came forward saying how interested you were in helping perpetuate this project, it was like the clouds parted

working on this site, we’re on 10s of acres, just working out a little over an acre, just maintenance alone for one person is daunting to say the least

just because we put together a holistic system doesn’t mean there’s no more work

actually perpetual, no end to amount of work, just in pruning things, cultivating

easy to plant seed, easy to harvest, cultivation in between, I don’t know if it’s gonna survive or not, I’ll do everything I can

lot of energy mental, physical, spiritual

one dude, isn’t gonna hold the world on his back man, either are two

TP: makes me think I’m gonna use another term for defining permaculture and call it ecological parenthood

caring for something to maturity

young families go through it, terrible twos, fighting, health similar thing

tree system here, adolescent,

MM: not as easy as dealing with child, can’t teach a tree how to fight off a squirrel, they’re bullies

TP: the timeliness of this, synchronicities will be unveiled later

rick straussman, first actual government sanctioned psychedelic research studies since the 70s, gap of 20 years

spirit molecule, interviewed,

recently, basically saying, people would ask did he take DMT,

he would give a vague answer or plausible deniability

eventually recently came out, admitted, yeah, I was doing it

I’m like fuck yeah, I wanted to hear that for so many years, scientist had the balls to do what he was talking about

ties back together, something he said, meta level life philosophy

you know, back then I had my whole career ahead of me still, a lot to lose, judged, critique, older, less of my life left, that’s much less life to lose

we’re at a point where I don’t want to piss off the wrong people, I don’t want to be a target, wait til we have resilience before we have grand opening at this site

eventually will ripened, eventually forced by demand, people will need it

sweet spot in time, security measures, support we need, capital, be in place for the time we want to open the gates

get to that point when, we did the thing, not much left to lose, tell the story, give real names, not give a fuck

certain things now, I feel like, at least statute of limitations has run out on some things, one metric

that feeling, we’ll get to a point where we don’t have that much to lose

my side of story of having fallen in love with this site, toured project in the past, wishing I could be more connected, occasion to visit

definitely feel like it was one of the most epic works in progress of so cal permaculture

ability to do it right

social permaculture dynamics of human sector, zones of humans, sector of humans, human elements, could have most beautiful property, dynamics surrounding neighbors be your worst enemy, false starts,

time energy, blood, blisters, heart ache, amount of effort that goes into permaculture project, somebody that’s they’re mission, to have that be continually ripped out in front of you

people don’t even see it

persecution of religious sects, we are the lost tribe of permies, that are constantly being haranged by neighbors

adapted us also to travel light in our personal empires

positive side effect of lifestyle of ecological romance

nudge nature to create symphonies of seed and soil

less hindered

student of Tyler Durgen, waking up after car crash with Edward Norton, the world I see, laying out strips of vennisen

hunter gathers, thriving on the carcass of industrial collapse

utopian anarchoprimitivists, intellectual elite, from eugene, green anarchist, wanna be poser,

not everybody was a poser, the heads that were the elitist, very hyper intellectual, authors and writers, wind bags, had all this talk

in eugene the founder of food not lawns, we’d go there talk bs about living primitive, blessing her with presence of our lofty conversations, decades later we don’t have our food forest, we don’t have fruit trees maturing, resentment, burnt bridges

super extra appreciate hard work that’s been done

this site, work you’ve done, huge grace, a pass, I could and should very well be punished for how far I’ve strayed from the path of planting trees, defending them, standing by them, storms, storming off of partners and lovers, mission and duty to make a stand

there’s a lot of times I’ve said this is not the hill I’m gonna die on, and this is the first time I can actually say this is a high that I would die on, for a lot of reasons, biggest gift to me, is to know

who is tantra punk, wacko jerk off wanna be tyler durgen alter ego, that split off from psychedelic ceremonies that got botched, and now this floating soul part of my old wounded self, has created this internet porn star wanna be freak, don’t have much ecological, I have bastard children trees, all over the place, to be able to be like

while you were out there, doing this thing, that could have got you in trouble, some what of an adventure, fool hardy, never would have expected that I could just cheat that time that I walked away from the permaculture path, did this freaky stuff

hey ben, dinners ready, fruit falling from trees, I just get to get back into the zone, almost 10 years since I was in deep coastal mountain broad acre permaculture, doing the trees, doing the systems right, the scale, the soil

waltz into this at a point you’d be beleagured, bromance novel cover if there ever was one

thanks to the designer of designers, tip had lift glass to him

be great to go into the shark tank part of this, now the reinforcements in the form of me and my humble but growing financial capital I can put in to keep things afloat, elbow grease, sweat equity

optimizing dance of mutuality, with responsibilities, rights, tasks, finances, between the two of us

alchemy we’re doing, the renaissance of this project, bring into 2.0 era

trajectory of , drawing from the permies community, paul wheaton, survival podcast, larry santoyo, different instructors we’ve had

business model for the site, the rebel farmers like sepp holzer, austria, kramaterohoff, epic contour narrow ponds support subtropical microclimates, high elevation fruit trees

so abundant, epic, done epic shit, considered to be the ultimate rock star, don’t think any other place on earth, other mature permculture projects, the profitability and scale and grandeur, I don’t know what I would compare to the kramaterhoff on earth

wonders of the world of permaculture tour, walk through it sometime

business model, everything else in agriculture sector, globalized race to the bottom, poison, toxic

convince people to want to buy american, niche for premium products, usually sick people who can afford to take your advice

don’t want to give crutch of supplying, want to teach them to do it themselves, leverage their acreage, their community

the idea of farming to enable other people to not be horticulturalists, shift from that as soon as possible

paradigm, living the dream, market gardeners, the biproduct of creating plenty of best varieties of food we’d like to eat, we’ll have excess, and with that excess we can play god to an extent in the economy because of how much of ecological ninjas we are

rather than try to package it all in plastic, get it in all the stores, scale it to the world

we make a more dense local economy out of it, healing center, learning center, teaching them how to fish, not selling them a fish per se

in my crude nut shell of a pitch, that’s the trajectory we’ve been most in agreement about

if somebody had infinite budget to invest, why should they buy into this as working co-op member, or non-working co-op member, how can people benefit from helping us

MM: few dudely dudes, I’ve met could really have no care to well being of nature around them, small minority of people I’ve spoken with of time on this path, over 20 years

experience with biodiesel co-op, very localized project, I would do education to engineering firms, groups

education at earth day festivals, people contribue, become non-working members of biodiesel co-op because they like what’s going on, think it’s a good direction

if anybody has capital, monetary, social, spiritual, any of the 8 forms of capital, that they are willing to share to perpetuate, the direction of this project

this may sound overzealous, I couldn’t think of a better project, or more dedicated individuals to invest that capital in

it’s one of those put your money where your mouth is

my clients in landscaping and in the health regeneration, many of them, actually buy into what I have to share, because of how I’m living my life

I’m not just using words, I’m hands in the soil, I’m doing everything I can at every corner

from what I know of you, been a crucial part of so many projects, that at one point or another it wasn’t your jive anymore for whatever reason

here we are find ourselves together on a mountain we’re will to die on

and it takes a community always

for anyone that would like to be a part of this community and see it perpetuate

be able to visit the site

local,

to benefit from the harvests of all of this, where else are you gonna put your money, time, energy, love

I’m not sure

it’s like you said man, this is one of the rare sites of southern california, any and all help, helps perpetuate a holistic project, working towards the great good of the local and world community when it comes down to it

held a lot of retreats, get people from all over the world, host in tropics, pretty good centralized area, highly abundance

ripe things to eat, throughout the year

amount of people that congregate, so diverse, so incredible, have a lot to share

at this point we have a site that any and all people interested have the ability to share

before it’s all been other people’s sites, very temporary, the time that gets spent there

long term expanded version of those experiences, and “retreats”

where else are you gonna put your resources, if you want to see great things happen, cause that’s all we’re really into

passionate

tend to only roll with those who are equally passionate about making this place a better place to be

agenda 21,

different concept of human settlement zones, from what we’re working towards here

TP: yes

to say the most and the least, that says it all, what could I add to that

nuts and bolts of this business modeling, goes back to legacy of my parents at some point will read the manifesto my father wrote for member based, for-profit nonprofit, fruit based operation, deep in heart of washington state apple orchard lands, building a massively, dense, intensive educational commercial project, rusticness, design constraint, make all tools, tools to make tools, melting down old cars, human powered, they were one of the first and most highly respected, wasn’t hippie commune, very studious, technical, published technical manual, subscribers to periodical, whether they purchased wares or we students, subscribe to catalog, kind of like micro version of mother earth news

department of making you said, interviewed mom, years ago, maybe now the time, one of those things you never know when it’s appropriate, get people on podcast, get perspectives, state of world, might be our last conversation, could go for anybody, did great interview with mom about 10 years ago, transapocalyptic, utopian for her, fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree

hard dharma, karmic seeds of melt down of family, trauma, wasted years, trouble, lot of years to get on the course that fell apart

a lot of people, children of the hippies

there’s something magical about the fact that here we are kind of at the age our parents were, as a generation, hippie, back to the land 2.0, we had woodstock,the rainbow gathering spawned from that, what are children of hippie’s doing now, actually fulfilling some of those dreams

we have now psychedelic shamanism, and not just acid, the electric kool aid test, these people went back to the land, no shamanic oversight, no elders,

even Geoff Lawton jokes, sad joke, comic tragedy, I wonder how many communes failed because they didn’t understand proper solar orientation, they bought land on north facing slopes, gave themselves an uphill battle on steep slopes facing the shadow of the sun, don’t even know why they melted down

permaculture,

we can learn from a lot of those mistakes, well positioned to demonstrate, and proudly display the next generation of the back to the land movement again at a time my mother talked about in the podcast

people went back to the land at the peak of the OPEC oil crisis in early 1970s

it wasn’t 1969 and summer of love, melt down of haight ashbury into tweaker rape culture madness,

they didn’t go directly from peak of 60s to back to the land, survivalist, apocalyptic thing, cities going to evaporate and collapse, economy gonna collapse, have to head to hills and start building a future

but brought in patriarchy, monoculture, only little bits of eastern mysticism

wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for that

now, okay, this is for me the most pure and karmically cleansed and most righteous set of circumstances to do your thing

are you really these eco artisans the whole world should pay attention to, or destined to fail

may not be the last place I ever work on

do world tour of biomes

if you take permaculture design course you want to be like a army ranger, navy seal, eco macguevery, swiss army knife, want to be deployed in every climate

because you know how to do things like harvest snow melt for nursery underground

be a bad ass shit, being a bad ass eco warrior with all this knowledge

do what special forces and green berets, what if all the engineering and money and investing and capital, everything that went into napalm and agent orange, if instead of destroying ecology, all that cultural engineering of warfare, went into actually creating a more resilient opposition through permaculture

tactical permaculture, make it impossible for them to put land mines in territory you want to defend, created thorny trellising, motes, father in military

being a bad ass, be tactical, have a reason to train, not mma, good for them but

wanna have something I love that’s worthy of defending that would keep me in shape just by working it, origins of kung fu and farming

bit of a tirade from me

MM:

I really like how you brought up that the fruit does not fall far from the tree, parents

definitely feel, that’s a thing that goes on in nature, we’re a part of it

we’re carbon copies of these people we call our parents

we emulate them in so many ways, because of the signature for which they gave us, dna

as father was one of most brilliant men I’ve ever met in my life

I would come forward to father with things I’ve learned, he would share how could he thought it was, what it made him think about

prior too, a little apprehensive, most brilliant man, hey check this out, not knowing what kind of feedback, always positive re-enforcement

honoring that we can do as individuals in relationship to our ancestors, that can be very important for mental scape, how we conductor ourselves in our lives

bro, sounds like a spitting image of your dna tree

I would imagine your mother and father had some similar thing for them

fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree

TP: I should shout out thank you to your father, have to name the library after him

lots of bro time to catch up on, and create that space where we can, aya ceremonies, 2 or 3 generations in one ceremony of family members, pretty epic

we’re healing ourselves, healing each other, healing the masculine, and creating a safe and welcoming space for the feminine to be free to be fully expressed

said before no offense, I kinda feel like, well it goes back to waynes world, fully functional babe layer, you can design for the woman in you, and the woman you want on you, save 9th form of capital for another episode

not a monastery, not womanizers either, between monastery and rapey womanizer cult, we’re probably somewhere in the middle

we need our other ethical brothers to step up, we have some healing to do in our tribe of permaculture, takes a lot of those talks about our fathers and what they did and didn’t teach us

so, that conversation is an open forum, its fun to shoot guns and practice your kicks and punches, equally important to break down and let yourself be, pummelled and tenderized by letting go of trauma, letting brother hood energy find those deep wounds and fractures, more energy buried we could be apply to our tree parenthood, soil parenthood, aquaculture parenthood, seed parenthood

MM:

along those lines of the multigenerations of lineage through psychedelic experience, its always bewildered me, with my psychedelic experiences with mushrooms, everytime I sense my grandfather,at first really weird thing, now a presence I’m aware of, hear and feel mutterings, only knew for short period of my life

at this point it’s very interesting, grandfather said, you’re back, maybe I’m back, it’s nice to be with you

thanks for helping to perpetuate my father,

what can I do for us

great thing

TP: it’s like working for a company, at office chair, every once in a while the owner comes in, the day the owner comes in, checking it out, what’s your name, trippy, ancestor worship is a thing

use it or lose it

I feel in this life, pretty damn abandoned by ancestors, been torn asunder to depths of hell such that ancestors have been blocked off by dark armies of hell, demons, but we’re gonna compost the shit out of them, find that the spirit guides were always there, they were just blocked, we didn’t make it easy for them to get back to us

of all the times I’ve felt I don’t know if I belong here, don’t know what I should be doing here, try to destroy ego, never lasts, very few times and place where I feel there is pure righteousness

liberate this land from all the plastic, multigenerational journey

dance with past and future, toxic gick, pure nature, spirits definitely guiding us

applauding efforts, works cut out for you, each one teach one, clean it up, scale it out

microcosm of what has to be done for the whole planet, on every planet

MM: not controlled by forces that think they’re higher

TP: decentralized, mycopathic, path of mycology

talk about martial arts, personal development, brother hood, men’s group experience that we’re working on and developing synthesis of spiritual, self defense, fitness through working the land, grace of being connected to your yin, notion of not just another wet noodle retreat center, traipsing around in loosest clothing, look at me I look like I just jumped out of a Rambo set, and yet I’m spiritual, dancing, smelling flowers, appreciating all the rainbows, but I can also do some ninja rolls, lift some heavy shit, drag some shit around, and do what’s gotta be done, ideal of a shaolin temple, double dragon fruit

playing up this idea, thinking about, if I was a kid, in the peak of my GI Joe fan boyness I would love to be shooting airsoft guns, tactical training with seed shot pellets, was nature boy, played in nature

how much fun families can be having, applying energy going into videos or going into being a boxer, mma fighter

masculine energy, protection, defense, epic garden project, for masculine energy to balance itself and exhaust itself, place for healthy catharsis, healthy relationships, families, we can both speak to

will be legacy to leave behind, a martial, permaculture, ecological, new martial culture as well, no surprise, or coincidence that we both, been blessed by profound journey’s into what other brutish me respect, not just purple breathers, also to some degree bad asses

love to hear you talk about, the spirit of the dragon fruit that animates you and your kung fu gardening techniques

MM:

made reference to that hippie thing, an elder at one of the rainbow gatherings I was sitting with , great acronym, term hippie, happy intelligent person, pursuing infinite excellence

never my thinking when it came to hippies, people that smelled bad, sat around got high and kept sitting around

just talking isn’t accomplishing,

pursuing infinite excellence, taking it to another level, punk rock perspective

you are a hippie, you smell like scum, I’m your worst enemy, a middle class street punk

and I always resonated with that, really nice to get that different perspective of what hippie could be

greater mobility in body, sought out chi gong master, chinese yoga for lack of better terms

not just stretching

entire philosophy, after about a year of training, sifu said, training is great, very yin, balance out with kung fu, more yang,

open to this, cool

always wanted, wanted to have military training for various reasons it wasn’t something that happened, along same line of hippie

kung fu, nearly synonymous, life mastery

mastering whatever life is for me, to me

level of giving back that comes from all of that

began training kung fu

4-5 days a week sometimes 2 sessions a day, my body started to really get in tune with motions, weapons training, when we think back to the shaolin, where kung fu started

these were farmers, weapons were their farm tools, really started to come through as my body got accustomed to movements, started using these implements in the farm, body now knew how to use them in a more appropriate way

ergonomics

rake or hoe, swing it out with arms, shoulders, and back, or put it out there and move hips back and forth, all power in your hips

spirals up through feet, hips, outward

utilizing that technique with farm tools

new relationship with tools and how to work with land and my body, all in same go

weeding, clearing debris, chopping things down, practicing kung fu

martial arts/life mastery

mastering far more of my body, tools, and tools that work with land

symbiosis, something that we can all benefit to apply in our lives, in any way shape or form

not everybody’s gonna go be a farmer

maybe you’re pushing a vacuum

you can cause strain or you can no cause strain to body, which then causes strain or not on the body, perpetuates through spirit

something that I’m still evolving into I feel like but its very empowering

self reliance

being able to provide for yourself, doesn’t just mean growing food, having land, also means self defense

never know where you’re gonna find yourself

bring those things into all of those life practices, another science that fills one of those holes in that permaculture raft we get pushed out into the water

brings it all back around, self feeding, self perpetuating

mentally physically and spiritually

TP:

brings us full circle

pleasant meanderings, through path of this convo, summary of most of our various contexts, working or grubbin on fruit, whatever it is, comings and goings, as we’ve been carving out this niche for ourselves

always reminds me of the movie that got me first enchanted with martial arts, van damme, blood sport

here we are, tactical permaculture moment going back to deepest roots of romance with nature and martial arts

ninjitsu master, frank dux, he was talking to parents, european parents of young frank dux, depicted to be wine farmers, vineyard, meeting of parents

train with japanese ninjitsu master

frank told me you grow vines, boys like vines need training, martial science brings mind, body, spirit together

we’re fulfilling that prophesy

we’re dudes,

point about military, I mentioned this not too long ago, in jest, valid point

hey america, if you would have given me a real war, or real cause to fight for, I would have served on the front lines, it’s been nothing but bullshit, you don’t get to have this body/mind

don’t give traumatic brain injury, lead poisoning, blow my limbs off, make me unable to sustain a relationship, cut my VA benefits for using cannabis

you don’t get any of that shit, not in this lifetime, maybe that could change, who knows what battles will need to be fought

the joke I made, we’re not we’re not less of bad asses that we didn’t get military training, we’re actually more, if we can be, without having the training of those instructors, and we can train our damn selves, read same manuals, same marksmanship, survival training, mindset of discipline, selection

break you down

I was my own drill segerant, life circumstances carved my ass from cookie dough to wood

health, wellness, survival, comes from putting skin in the game

better to have warrior in garden than gardener in war,

debilitating malformed meme of utopian pacifism

idea that we all need to be genderless, a mush of micro trauma egg shell walking, I’m a man, I embrace that, I don’t need impose, I embrace and love and support cherish diversity, space for everyone

phrase, vin armani brought to attention:

seed conversations of what I’d like to call and have been implementing

permaculture training experience for tactically minded, some of the best training, with hardcore lesbian women, guns and ammo, blades, bows and arrows plaster their walls instead of boy band posters, those are my best friends

ongoing thing that, I want to be the guy that the butch warrior lesbians like to play with on a full moon when they feel like, interesting romance, another story

have to cover my ass and say it’s not hyper masculine, toxic masculine militia

who wants to be securing the perimeter, that’s what we need first, can’t have whole tribe or family unless we can defend them

call to action, strong willed, strong minded, disciplined, people who want to be bangin sticks as they say in pekiti tirsia kali training, continual life long conditioning and training, being a warrior , really mean something for good cause

quote: michael hopf, those who remain,

hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times,

put that in your pipe and smoke it

enough from me

over and out, roger

thank you again

MM: honor brother, insightful, exciting having this conversation, whoever you are out there listening, hope you were able to glean something from it

summary, I feel like, initially I’d stated how going back to permaculture, can be applied to anything that you do, require taking a permaculture design course with instructor you’d like to learn from, and personality types are thing

I have studied a lot of things in my short time here, does always come back to the principles of permaculture

when I educate others on health, they don’t know it but they’re getting a quick permaculture design course for the body

utilizing all these principles around the landscape we call our bodies

a bunch of cells living together

body, gardening cells, out there gardening soil conditions to provide foods for our cells to utilize

its one of the most valuable trainings that I’ve ever had in my life,

people that also take these course, share similar sentiment

that’s about it

end this with as mc mycopath

end a lot of health lectures with a rap, haven’t done this one in a while, see how it goes

TP: gotta get that out in the drum circle, put some beats on that, hippie drum beats on that

more to come

this conversation is to be continued, next, while we’re still tying up lose ends, give audio tour of integrated systems and logic of design of systems, address

situational report, what we’ve got going what we need help with, if people have time or resources or expertise, what’s been established what’s being established, hearing a bit about what we’re processing, actual road map of what we’re doing, laid out the backstory

of what could be an epic opportunity for ourselves

all sliding scales of wealth, we’re providing

free offerings online, all kinds of content, you’ll be whippin up a podcast, holding the camera for each other to do a lot of the teaching we want to

following up with some a/v content

be comin at cha again soon

big love to you and to all the forces seen and unseen that made it possible to be at this point

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Permaculture Eco-Warriors Establish The Moshram Part 1 TPP280

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In this episode I’m joined by MC Mycopath for a two part series on the past, present, and future of his personal permaculture journey and the establishment of The Moshram

My Non Verbatim Show Notes

MM:

started out…trouble maker

parents id as ruthless child

stuck me into acting classes, young age

outlet, unrelenting energy

most of childhood, child actor

kindergarten or first grade, hollywood, 7 or 8 years

with that, element of not really going to school, always had to go to auditions, for anything and everything, tv shows, movies, photoshoots,

state law, school for 3 hours, after, in a car driving to hollywood

30-45 percent of time, on-sets throughout elementary school and middle school

lot of really cool work, met great people

tv shows

terminator 2

really great look into the world

moved to san diego, took me out of lime light

distraught, in child actor phase didn’t have to go on audition, just get phone calls, hey you’re hired

once no longer in that realm, I’m a performer, its really in me

astrologically, birth date, title for every day of the year, my day is the grand stage, seemed very fitting, been on stage most of life

when no longer in eye of the camera, some guys that I was in high school with, had a punk band, asked to audition, became the front man of that band, we rocked the so cal punk scene at the right time, right place right time

so cal punk scene blowin up in the 90s, part of that, amazing ride, meet incredible people, see amazing places at a young age

sound recording program

kept furthering it

life would have it, never know certain things are gonna derail you, spin you off/push in another direction

near death experience, NDE

one day, heart stopped, really into meditation

wanted to see how long of breaths I could take, minute in, minute out, strange mental objective, 1.5 in 1.5 out, during that my heart stopped

learned I needed a bit more pressure on the valve to keep that heart pumping, pressure from lungs

that’s its own crazy story, insights gained

done a lot of research on nde,s majority similar story

found myself in consciousness, not in my body, two hands in front of me, a choice, one to come back here, one to stay there, red and blue pill scenario

chose to come back here

flood of information, really expanded consciousness, awareness,

all the sudden looking at body, re entered body, heart began to beat, whoa

looking at friends crying over my body

heart started to beat, freaked out

told me I was dead for a couple minutes

seemed like eternity

really took me on a whole different path

one of the things that came through that transmission, “go back to the earth”

fundamental premise of my entire experience here, ever since then

around 18 years old at the time

next time I ever spoke to somebody, really weird place

whole life tweaked, isolated

next person I spoke to: appalacian trial,

all I heard was go back to the earth, sounds like that’s the way to go back to the earth

cool, dropping everything, go to the trail, go to the woods see where life takes me

hiked the trail,

8-9 months

somethings I’ve learned in life, you can’t prepare for

think I know where I’m going, what I’m gonna do, what it will take, wasn’t true

broken in first few days

but I’m a very persistent individual, eyes on prize, had to keep going, went out with buddy,

didn’t have same persistence, can be grueling, being exposed to all elements, every day

first couple weeks, nothing but rain, head to toe, all your stuff, tweak your mental space and physical space

I kept on truckin, met amazing people

opened up to graciousness that exists in others, re-instilled my love of my fellow man, and compassion

coming from punk scene, I had lyrics I don’t exactlyi resonate with at this point, some that I do

some that…fuck the world, FTW, about to tattoo it on my forearm, thankfully I didn’t although now I would take that off to “fruit the world” so it’d still be applicable

back to the trail, ever expanding

stress fractures in foot

parked on largest waterfall on east coast, hung out, put foot in water til inflammation went down

while doing that, came across hippies, definitely open, but my punk background, I eat hippies for lunch,

expanded self, open to people, great energy, great passion for earth, not entirely at purple breather end of things, could resonate with their cause, going to rainbow gathering, never heard of such a thing, enlightened me,

cool,

decided to walk from florida to pennsyl

I was in the middle of their path

I said I’m going to gathering as well

hitch hiking excursion to gathering

really phenomenal thing.

TP: lots of good things, criticisms, some of most trusted mentors, hardcore devotees, know it’s a mecca, been on bucket list

MM: really opened me up even more, at first felt a little out of place, first rainbow gathering I went to in 1999, walking down a trail, punk kid sitting down by a river, cleaning some clothes or something, boom box, rocking old school punk, hippies walking by , turn that crap off, negativity towards punk kid, see him giving them a finger

people think it’s all love, it’s all everything at the gathering

invitation hippies had given me, paraphrasing, an invitation to a gather for people of all walks of life to pray for world peace

punk kid getting yelled out, connected with him, reflect back at myself, we are all here, I get that kid, alright, dont’ know, haven’t talked to him, get what he’s dealing with, really all walks of life

I was hooked, first gathering there for 3 months, went with 10 dollars, sustained my life for 3 months, dug a lot of shitters, made a lot of food, a lot of keeping fire going, hot water, it was a magical experience, helped me realize importance of feeling like you’re needed

getting kick backs of food, couldn’t ask for much more, sustenance

really changed my life

ever since 1999, only missed 3 rainbow gatherings

16-17 I’ve attended, really feel like family

see faces I’ve been seeing for 20 years

can’t say I connect with everybody, I have differences

no electronics, rules, flashlight, thanks for killin my night vision

TP: I was in the tree sits in oregon, early 2000s, lot of people from rainbow gathering would go to tree sits, a lot of memes, how I learned more about the subculture,

harshing mellow with lights, I can commiserate on both sides now, one up man ship, paul wheaton, some protesters they like to beat you over the head with their protest sign

MM: things have really changed, people walking down the trail text messaging

everything adapts and advances, so has the family, been interesting to watch

altered my perception of what can be, there is an opportunity for us to throw up some kitchens, cultivate and harvest foods, prepare them and share them

not a lot of cultivation taking place, not to say a lot of farmers don’t grow specific rows just to give to the family

farmers pull up from a trailer, from any corner of the country that they brought to feed people that share this vision

TP:

while on rainbow family, for a moment, mentioned before, I personally have only heard of the mythic legends of rainbow and burning man, wanted to experience both, spoken or unspoken tension between the two

segway of tactical permaculture, want to go to these places, hang out, participate in holistic debauchery, escape retreat get out of city

but also have urban guerrilla, urban permaculture, burning man and rainbow come to same place and time, in the city, actually come in and seize an urban area and print out a permaculture design and be a lasting net benefit,

boom festival in portugal, not just temporary autonomous zone, but a permaculture autonomous zone

hopefully be there some day, idea of a more applied use of all those ethics, all the people, ability to raise a barn, and party, and whatever

wanna talk about, so you have not been to burning man, have been in this other tribe, other clan, if you want to segway into if you’re real visionary and want to transform the world, bring the candle into darkness

MM:

never been to burning man, certainly know plenty of burners, heard stories, seen pictures, videos, on and on

the collaboration, definitely can be a great thing, from a rainbow perspective, speak for no body, no one can speak for another, just a bunch of individuals, going some place to collaboratively exist and pray for wold peace, beyond that there’s nothing,

can’t apply for permits, can’t get land under said name

gone to a lot of vision councils, can take days to over a week, learned a lot from some of the elders

other rainbow family listening, apologize if I botch it, if not mistaken, navajo offered land for rainbow family to collectively gather and stay, autonomous zone on tribal lands

because no body can represent the rainbow family, no body’s able to accept that

find that is a really strong element of rainbow ethics, I cannot speak for you, you cannot speak for me, we’re all autonomous here, awesome

also see how there’s a level of hindrence there, doesn’t provide framework to collectively gather and build these spaces for generations of time, just pop up events, a few months

what is the entity that would cooperatively manage that space, enough nah votes within rainbow, operates on consensus, if you don’t get consensus, you don’t get to move forward, empowering thing, slows things down, really good objective, within any form of governance, the slower it can move the healthier, jumping the gun..pitfalls

no body represents anybody, except for themselves

TP: brings up fork, validating sense that going back to paleolithic, presettled nomadic cultures, gypsies, you don’t collect diseases from animals, don’t pollute an area if you’re always nomadic, shifting, relocating, horde less stuff, less material objects,

huge respect, as anthropologist of radical subcultures and movements, I love the idea you don’t burn the spot, set upa lace, do your thing then move on, maybe cycle back again

two different modes, having a permanent location,

also notion or stay at location, own rent, squat, or be nomadic, multiple locations

practical permaculture informed, project, objective, mission,

go to this site, clean up brown field, plant stuff, cycle back in a few years, for next phase, more of a deployment,

installation work, facilitated

what if you had drones and different party lights, projecting lazer lights on contour lines for people to stomp and dig and build, permaculture design, light show that displays design on landscape, different teams all in the grove, cadence, dancing, next level stuff

MM: brother, that concept blows my mind, rainbow gathering maybe 2001, montana, amazing gathering hung out with ram dass, saw bob dylan, awesome folks out there

we went there, always an element for vision counsel, going to places that need healing, not just restorative work from an ecological perspective, also from spiritual, energetic perspective

places where massive battles have been fought, concept of altering the energetic pattern that is locked into that land, with this loving thing that takes place at rainbow, 4th of july

silence that takes place, from sunrise until rainbow noon, silence broken by children in parade,

silence, gathering around peace pole, ceremonially put into earth, so as we can direct our energy into the pole, goes into the earth and up to the heavens, one of the ways to infuse and release the new energy and the old energy that is ingrained in that space

ecologically, always found it incredible

between 10k and 40k people, a lot of pee and poop, with contour lines, seen this, if we could dig our shitters on contour lines these could be some seriously fertile beds for sprawling of wildlife plants

going back to montana situation, about 10 years later, went back

hit me one morning, opening tent, looking out seeing what could have been had we had some constructive planning 10 years previous

whenever choice was made to go back to montana, had we had the forsight to put into some type of plan

nomadically hit these spots, come back around to them maybe every 10-15 years, see ecological benefit

usually people talking about impact from negative perspective

clean up crew, site impeccable when we left, no devastation that ever took place

benefited greatly from being at that site

we could have really, all of us brought something with us to share to spread diversity of species, whatever survives, the conditions for it to occur are there

its happy, everything’s comingling,

have things we’d be able to harvest

cultivating is the hardest part

fruits of labor, 10 years later, would be a beautiful thing

TP: awesome, beautiful exploration, leads us to getting back to timeline

rainbow gatherings national forests, different vibe

who knows, just designing, curious, what was that process of evolution from you being a nature boy, having done the hiking, closer to earth, how did you become an ecological designer

MM: had heard the term permaculture, I believe first at a rainbow gathering

reading agenda 21 manual at library, spending days reading, UN soft touch plan for ways to organize and mobilize the direction of the planet, didn’t agree with it, banks running things, how they’ll be running thing, struck odd nerve, doesn’t seem holistic

somebody came up to me mentioning permaculture

couple years later, had hitch hiked around country about 2 years straight, came back to so cal, culture shock so heavy

la to san diego, no way sticking around, vibration not sitting well, go on other side of road, got out of california,

northern minnesota,

nicest place I’d ever been, relocated

up there, in a very tight knit community, one of most artistic, very socially involved

one of my buddies, really into permaculture, purchased designer manual, permaculture 1, lot of words I didn’t understand, just read a book that I didn’t quite get, then came across,

what we’d now call meetups, started going out,

permaculture in cuba, created design, implemented design with people of cuba, one of the gentlemen on that team, host of meet up,

tipped off of concept of greening the desert, from that point on, if you can seriously take desert biome and make it green, there’s something cool going on here, always wanted to participated in that something cool

we get busy in life, at time was contractor, living in housing co-op, took a lot of my time

building/grounds chair person, chair for funding and development, co-chair for finance, wrapped up, wasn’t pushing as hard as I could, educational/implementation of permaculture frame work

flame worker, glass artist, blowing glass

started biodiesel co-op, wonderful girlfriend

time was eaten up, interested in furthering permaculture studies, permaculture design course, nothing hit right time wise

one year

biodiesel shuts down in winter, large demand for biodiesel in fuel oil heaters, ways to market biodiesel, I went to washington, oregon, northern california, networking, to obtain biodiesel in the winter

4 month journey, in california, on the coast, go to san diego, visit family

friend offered work, doing sign installation, took work, paying amazing, while on one of job sites, co-worker backed over me with a truck

didn’t have NDE, another hard turn in my life, curses can turn out to be blessing

could not walk, told would never walk again, not an easy thing to sit with

after going through the heavy bouts of depression, I’ve always wanted to take a permaculture design course, I’m doin it

started me down the higher levels of my understanding with permaculture

2 week intensive

mind was blown

to say the least, all I wanted to do was perpetuate installations utilizing the techniques and understandings I had gained

took another course, and another course

heavy amount of info, retention, very small, remember things at the very beginning, the very end

a lot of material in the middle to get lost in the ether of the mind

kept taking it, again, again

wanted to better understand

fill in gaps

after a few pdcs, remember speaking with one of my mentors and teachers

late great, toby hemenway

really want to go to school, considering constitutional law or sustainable agriculture

education through university system, Toby looks at me, pulled a Bill Mollison on me, can you give me an example of a sustainable agricultural system,

not that I’m aware,

then how you gonna study

right, so true

so

I found myself perplexed,

you need to do whatever you think is best for you

if you’re interested in studying plants, study horticulture, how plants relate to soil and how soil relates to plants

have yet to meet lawyer who’s a happy individual

work with plants, tend to be happy

gonna pursue horticulture degree

amazing program

after that

heard permaculture described

younger brother, pdc in thailand

metaphor for permaculture

pdc is like being given a raft with a bunch of holes in it, get pushed out to sea in raft, have to plug up all the holes

holes are different sciences, permaculture is taking all the sciences and weaving them together

great metaphor

I’ve become certified in so many specialty modalities, gray water, holistic range management, super adobe construction, soil food web, mycology,

it’s endless, the sciences, thermodynamics

the more we understand these things , the more holistic of a design we can create, and implement

still at a point where I need crutches or a walker to walk

came across a biochemist, that gets quads walking

I’m not a quad, just needed assistance in walking

biochemist hit me with truths, unable to refute

run for money with body

inflammation went down, pain went away, could walk again, limited mobility because of contracts

regained mobility

taking in data

learn what biochemist did

studied with 3 biochemists

live blood analysis

things to be learned from every corner

biochem made sense, because of soil science

stake functions, things already learned

different realms

become much of my life at this point

passionate of regenerating living systems

soil, water, human terrain, animals,

certified in all sorts of modalities

all come together

in this web that we call permaculture

permaculture is really, not gardening

it’s something that you apply to whatever you do, could be a brain surgeon, apply principles in your surgeon practice

as long as reaping harvest from what we cultivate in a holistic manner

permanence within culture

everything gardens

fruits vegetables, fungal systems,

monetary, capital, things and stuff if that’s what is needed

holistic manner

all technically practicing permaculture

TP: permaculture rabbit hole

infinite fractal patterns, not just set of tools and techniques, philosophy, interdisciplinary science

attempts to define it

sustainable human settlement design

warren brush, living beautifully, everyones got a different way

permaculture is just applied ecology, repackaged ecology

true but not end all be all

is permaculture a cult, paul wheaton, put the cult in permaculture, joking

cynicism, too expense, hacked permaculture design course, permaculture party pack torrent

mentor, lets hack pdc certificate, I’ve put in work, read black book cover to cover, 72hour course with bill and geoff, king and crown prince, done the work, even went to see my punk band, considered that to be my talent show, year long membership, traded him one of first permaculture podcast websites

did our own value add/function stacking design of a student and master

made it work, to get the pdc into the hands of the working class, not enough has been done to get out of mlm pyramid scheme

people don’t make their money back on course

how many certified permaculture designers made the cost of the course back

this is the most priceless education you could ever get, if you take this course and don’t figure out how to make a sustainable living doing whatever you love…

I don’t think you can say it’s too expensive, can say it’s not accessible, amount of time, you need, multiple courses over weekends

radical movement, came out of various earth sciences, disgruntled looks at destructive poisoning, end game of industrial agriculture,

how to look at ethnology and anthropology of horticultural societies

frame work, infinitely scale and branch out in water, soil, trees, land forms, biomes

all from ecology, plus ecological anthropology

sophisticated academic scientific methodical

what were some big take aways, ah has from first course

when it clicked for you

super practical, how come this is not already mainstream

first moments of revelations

educational piece

quick intro to permaculture

MM:

crucial element obtained initially through pdc, understanding that the perfect system is the system that we are all birthed into, nature, nature doesn’t have flaws, as far as I’m aware of, it’s all creating its all consuming, everything feeds and everything eats everything else so there is no waste, fascinating

every ecological niche is included there

main thing with that would be observation of any of those elements

bees, ants, fungus, bacteria, trees, we can just go on and on, how water flows, on and on, comes back to these elements, naturally occuring

something aware of before first pdc

some of most successful systems built, we all use, the internet, sending packages through modems, and routers

my understanding the awareness of how to make that an effective system was done by watching ants, and how ants transfer data along their path,

mimicked how ants transfer data, this is how we’re transferring data right now, ,audio, files, the way that’s going to get from point a to point b mimics pattern for which ants send signals down the line

primary things clicked for me, first pdc

we’re already doing this, just not on a holistic scale, just in these little niches, and people win awards for it

observing nature, apply its patterns to whatever you’re looking to do

standing back and observing

mind gets in the way, nature doesn’t have that

observation, then implementation, perpetual process

never a one and done thing

everything is revolving around observation of the system you have designed to mimic nature

merely humans a piece of nature

our ability is hindered

we have to sit back and observe and see where we were incorrect

see if our observation changes the course of the pattern

we can be benefactors of that production and consumption

TP: love that, some new giving me chills awesome riffs, definitely be integrating that, hadn’t heard about the ants,

for the person who is now thinking okay permaculture, its a way to somehow in the course of the course you will feel confident to begin thinking using the algos of nature

exemplifying that logic

closing that loops, inputs and outputs, systems feedings systems, things be elegantly designed, not a lot of wasted effort, not a lot of toil, so much leveraging of energy, pretty much infinite coming from the sun, capturing and storing, trip trap trip trap, capturing and storing energy, putting it work, gets in engineering

early permies, electrical and mechanical engineers, impulse to construct and build, fix, take apart,

masculine, tendencies, exploring nature

balance of energy of gaia and energy of guys

genders in between

once you get to point of super power of thinking like nature,

being abundant, feed yourself and community, heal landscapes

scale, fold fertility onto itself, green eco magic, green the city green the city, do anything

bill mollison, real rebel, reapplying more natural paradigm to death culture of industrial chemical, agriculture and farming

bridge in time line to where you’re doing commercial enterprise, taking horticulture and permaculture, fighitng the system of agriculture, by subverting it from the periphery, creating new strategies to feed people, that subvert the evil empire of ag,

how you deployed yourself for permaculture and against the dominant paradigm of ag

MM: a mantra I really have embodied within myself, creating the conditions for things to occur

biomimicry, learning how to create the conditions for things to occur, then standing back to see if you were right, if it worked

shotgun blast with certain things, put out a 1000 seeds, don’t always have a 1,000 seeds pop up, if you’re lucky, half will

not of same species, may not be a aware of whats going to cultivate under x given conditions

a lot of time talking about all these systems generally roll back to some form of capital, it made me think about a great book that’s out there, the 8th forms of capital, and the brother that has brought us together, while he has had amazing implementations of design, he’s also had an even greater effect from a social capital perspective, being able to bring us together, creating conditions for whatever to occur

group that we’re all associated with, through his social capital, knowing all of us, create conditions for things to occur

co-aligned over the years, and at this point co-aligned on a project moving forward

TP: permabros

beloved brother, 2009-10, first started hanging out, seeing these giant wall size dry erase boards with mind maps

epic, back yard and front yard permaculture food forest, really living the dream, tickles me to no end, this very moment could have very well been a thought bubble on one of his mind maps

#wetrainedforthis

we need to do our craft, take center stage in this moment, ambulance chaser, I’m doomsday prepper, permies seen as apocalyptic

realized, the curse of that world utopian, or utopianism, way for realists to moderate the visionaries

such a curse to be put in that category, destined to fail, like 99% of back to land projects of 70s, may as well stay right in center of system and follow their rules

I know how to hack that curse, as the world gets more dystopian, whatever was utopian 10 years ago, life before cell phones, families talk to each other at restaurants, reading books

utopianism is driving forward looking in rear view mirror

utopian urge to live like the ancestors

knifes edge of industrial progress

utopian that’s easy, parents they chopped wood, but we’re gonna have robots doing it

myopic cultural amnesia

bring it to what the fuck we are doing now

we have been in the shadows, training, doing our own things, and hoping that we can create personal abundance, share the teaching, fruits of labor, no pun intended, brings us into full on the story of this site we’re on, without blowing our opsec and giving it away

so the story of this property in the best way you can deliver it without blowing our cover until we’re ready to unveil offerings to the public

you were already in utopian impossible future before me, you’ve been in this very sweet spot for a quite a while, many things done right

zelda flute planted me here

said vows to spirits, I take care of you, you keep me here

ancestors, animals, plants, minerals, what do you need from me, how can I stay here

big slice of heaven, promised land

big thank you, back to question, what’s the story of this magical little slice of heaven on earth?

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Seeding the Transapocalyptic Cypherpunk Cryptopia with Vin Armani TPP275

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In this episode I’m joined by Vin Armani for another epic dialog about the transformative intersections of bitcoin, crypto-anarchy, crypto-savagery, state craft, ecology, permaculture, shamanism, futurism, and much more

Please visit Vin’s website at https://vinarmani.com/

About Vin:

Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

My Non Verbatim Show Notes

been preparing for a long time

very weird experience

conspiracy theorists, broader understanding of the shift to come

people’s who’s eyes have been open for more than half a century

orwell, we’re in an orwellian moment, 1984 was a prophecy

wrote in 1948, doesn’t mention year in the book, publisher, 1984

4 years ago, youtube, playlists, series called ascendent project, 2016

right before vin armani show

thesis of presentation, 8 hours

announcement that the shift is here, way I believe, what will look like, based upon, teaching of the human social cycle, from Indian guru, Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar

Ananda Marga

book series, spoken word, transcribed

work that affected me profoundly, got a hold of from adherents from group

progressive utilization theory

described, the human social cycle

the indian caste system, 4 varnas

vaisya

brahmin

ksatriya

sudra

description of energies within human cycle, influence world in different way every human has energies moving through, dominant in a person, in eras

eras move in a cycle from peasant, to warrior, rises as chief, utilize will and strength as hero, becomes a king

eternal game of paper scissor rock

thinker energy dominates the king, church, priests, dominant

corruption of church comes through money

large cycles through history

within those cycles small cycles

within each of us have cycles

ideas moved into the west

notice, that’s the same 4 energies of the tarot, suits of the tarot, club, sword, chalice, cup, pentacle, coin

cards, clubs, spades, hearts blood of christ, diamond, instead of coin

what he had presented was idea that we had moved through the commoner time, thinker time, through warrior time, the great kings, through the thinker time, enlightenment, into his time writing in 70s emergence of vaisya age corporations, banks, beasts,

the corpus christi, the body of christ being the church, thinker time, corporation, legal persons corporate entities, banks, vaisya age

bitcion, crypto currency, vegas, solidified vaisya coming to full throat, it was going to tip over the top from golden age to corrupt age, coming very soon

what emerges from out of that on the wheel, starts over, grand reset back to sudra, commoner, state of nature, little specialization, little centralization, decentralized, generalized

daniel quinn, ishmael books, fantastic, 100% survival value, ancestors 12 year old, indigenous society, could drop in middle of environment and they would survival, had all skills of entire culture, male or female, hunt fish, build home, start a fire, make clothes, herbs, poison

sings weather would change

all these things they knew before adult

very decentralized,

from self sufficiency to efficiency

path, escathon, crescendo, time is speeding up terrence mckenna

end moment

all of the signs, its a virus

everyone has become the enemy, invisible, everyone is enemy

goes to say it is the vaisya energy recognizing the rise of sudra energy being very scared

wondered, 20 years ago discovered this thought, working with it, through this time, what does that look like, 2000 I see we’re in vaisya age, corporate, banking business age, what does it look like, before bitcoin,

what does that even look like, communism, socialism, what does it even look like that it would fracture back down into decentralized commoner, 100% survival value

kernal of new rebirth of age, bitcoin is a harbinger, one of many tools, cryptography, incredible useful, self sufficiency in general

more people, not agriculture by nature, figuring out how to be self sufficient, protein produce, energy, electricity

been called preppers, out there conspiracy theorist, already shutting off food supply shutting off money, choice people dwindle

those who have figured out how to fully imbrace the sudra nature, will rise

old nature in decline, new era on it’s way up

TP: meek shall inherit the earth

VA: wheel turning at any given time what is rising is always the meek

in sudra age, hero rising is the meek, hero isn’t the king, it’s the audacious boy

at the time of the kings, when king fully risen the advisor, the priest the thinker is not the prime minister he’s a boy who interprets dream whose in cell

pharoah relied on boy, that’s the meek

time of kings, napoleonic wars, can’t feed army, can’t get right kind of gold coins, london, looking for solutions, smuggler of gold times, rothchild family, get right coins, meek businessman, grey market, smuggling gold, credit schemes, a hustler, reach out to him

the meek the inherit the earth, now is the time for that again

TP: inner geek, crypto math computer science, geek will inherit the earth

VA: look at the archetype of the geek within the vaisya let’s say aesthetic, love vegas, complete shut down vaisya aesthetic, giant companies all about literally money, play with those cards, gold, hotels, nothing but money and the love of money, as opposed to silicon valley, holding all power, multibillionaires running companies, zuckerberg, wearing what he wears, they wouldn’t let him in a club in a vegas, wouldn’t let him in, bezos same thing, old pictures of bezos, those guys are the cross over of the really the vaisya creating sudra products, rise of social media, rise of twitter

hash tag movements, metoo, emergence of sudra, hieararchy flattening platforms , twitter account doesn’t have more features than prez, same app, same with facebook flattens hiearchy, emergence of decentralized consensus based organizational

hash tags started taking down the most powerful men in the world

what is a hashtag, it doesn’t even exist

exists purely as a psychological concept

not even like that hash tag is an option within twitter or facebook itself

TP: viral videos, age of virus, hashtag, snippet of genetic dna, replicates in cell of human mind, replicates through internet, just characters, abstracted, don’t have eyes, don’tknow what they’re doing, regenerating with retweets, as above so below, cyberdelic mind fuck

VA: in age of virus, of course it’s a virus how could it not be, network based organization versus hierarchy

interview wtth chris derose, block chain as a matriarchy and role of messiahs, emergence of network, spreading, the new power, to understand how power is organized have to understand the network

what we see going on with response to the corona virus, hiearchy, dealing very poorly with a network based crisis, virus has no hierarchy

TP: just packets

VA: bitcoin network gossip network, viral network, one to many, R naught, signed transaction, propagates to network, epidemological map, transaction copying self into mem pool,

TP: 8% of human dna, residual viral remants,

VA: blockchain is organic model

TP: do you trip on mycellial functionality of the way, don’t know what the science is, fungal hyphea connecting topsoil, trees on either coast send text message through ground

VA: networked, organic movement, organism, hierarchy can’t fight the mechanism, can’t fight organism, not equipped to do it, we developed hierarchy to fight against nature, turns you into one big organism, its very crude, might say, taken to their extreme, what you see in tyranny that is now with us, officially, organism trying to stay alive, imposes even more rigid order, things gotten a little too loose, out of control, desire to track everything, record eveything ultimate order, as opposed to the bitcoin idea of a system being robust in its unordered simplicity, just a system of rules, not working towards any particular end except to keep system going, traditional, sustainable, organic ethos of ancestors, the idea of cultures society, life in general, simply to continue it on to the next generation, not thinking there was some grand purpose

TP: multigenerational, tree stewardship, fabric of culture, indigenous wisdom, terrence mckenna, enter the violet doorway at the end of time, we will be street smart in the ways of demonic materialism and returned home to the family farm in eden, that would be that refreshing, resetting of that grand cycle

VA: got goosebumps, not heard exact quote, love it, beautiful, probably freestyled, so beautiful, god, command of english language, spin poetry almost make you cry, that’s was interesting because one of the insights that drove me to do ascendent project, looking at chapter 3 genesis, serpent, temptation, fall, the birth of sudra age, return to the garden

goosebumps, yeah, return to garden, figuratively and litterally, so interesting, though it was poignant, governer of michigan, prevented walmart from selling seeds

roped off, full racks of seeds roped off with caution tape

non essential items all garden supplies seeds, literally there, the people who are getting photos and videos that’s crazy I can’t be these seeds, saw this starting to happen, I’ve moved family, not ready to dox self, remote island, pretty self sufficient, probably making public in the future where exactly I am, place I see as a return to the garden, but with that same street smartness, it’s not about throwing out technology, dipping out, off grid, why would you give up the wisdom of your ancestors over the past hundreds of years, why give up grid idea, interconnectedness

bitcoin, idea is not to disconnect, idea is to connect peer to peer minus the intermediary, it’s the intermediary that’s the problem

what’s the problem with the seed sales at walmart, problem is its walmart, guaranteed the person the put the seeds in that package, supply of seeds

but neighbor would sell it to you

TP: you can buy plantable produce from the grocery store, front lines of professional food sector, gardener, step up, minimal interactions I’ve had, if you can’t buy seeds or being gouged for prices, 1/3 or produce can be harvested for its vegetable product and then replanted, beets, onions, garlic, potatoes, eat most of it and still plant it, viablle, propagation, deprived of seeds, plant groceries after eat half or more

VA: this is the return to the garden, this knowledge, in moving to where I’m at, interesting thing, culture here, native culture strong, people who are original people very much in control of politics of island, out in morning, there’s all the people still fishing in traditional ways, 50 feet from house, right on beach 4 fisherman, outrigger canoe launched off beach

corruption of outside world, hand outs, desire of tourism, businesses, to pay these folks, to provide money, as a opposed to them sustaining themselves in they way they had, some wisdom gets lost, situation in now, people lost all that really struggling, guy out there fishing, isn’t even trippin, what crisis

its the finding of the resources that are there, even as you said, your grocery store is a garden store, realizing that, the produce section is a garden store, light years ahead

TP: its all kind circling back to another terrence mckenna prophecy, living in prototype of dream of avatars, virtual reality, shrinking your physical foot print on earth. Letting nature regrow around you foraging in wild abundant nature, get kicks and giggles from interacting on line, not needing to fly all over the place,people are already going to wake up tomorrow and be like we can get kicks and giggles touring museums in 3d virtuality, let the wild animals take over the streets, hoped people would voluntarily participate in live simply, easy way or hard way, easy way too late for that

VA: unfortunately everyones gonna be living simply, economic state of the world has changed, consumerism, waste is done as we know it

TP: party’s over

VA: drastic waste in short term, supplies, milk dumped down drain, fields go fallow supply chains broken, body of consumerism dying, variety will be greatly reduced, millenia generation, ability to be satisfied in digital realm to great degree, gen z, they will be able to really, many very happy to have consumerism go away, simplicity, dystopian futurist, 4 walls ceiling, living in closet doesn’t matter virtual universe, william gibson called consensual hallucenation so vast so satifying, won’t matter that your’e living in a tomb, basicallyi entombed

matrix

TP: what if you take that classic scene of neo unplugging in that pod, instead, unplugs consensual connection, p2p network, pops lid on pod, harvest some greens in his garden in hawaii, utopian, people’s matrix, not marxian, peer to peer nature, crypt enabled

VA: mckenna seeing the eschaton, combining multiple aspects, logical progression of series of different streams, at any given time, streams of consciousness, lifestyles, really streams of consciousness evolve on own, music scene, artistic scene, style of tech, physical pursuit, sport, what it looks like 100 years ago, not what it looks like in the future, subculture, two ideals, the return to the garden, plus the high level of interconnectedness, both to extreme combined into one, not the case initially, thesis and anti-thesis, our generation we’ll get one or the other, access in early going, access to consensual hallucenation, dependent on acquiesance to new world order, living in box, universal basic income, money aspect will go away, it’s a prison, you get fed 3 meals a day, same clothes, same style of home, put into matrix, human experience plays out, old vestiges of voting, virtual sports, status hiearchyies

TP: video game simulation, elon musk what happens if mars comes to us and we’re now astronauts on our own planet, people in bubble costumes, logan’s run concept

bitcoin was the birth of the multiplicity, libra hearings was death of singularity

VA: about right, funny in my book self ownership, last section is on the concept I called the crypto savage

the attempt to merge the old order and new order, will be attempted will fail, that’s what libra was, we can have this thing that’s at scale, out there with an established company, no you can not, interesting, congress people speaking positively about bitcoin, good, tech can grow, they don’t fear it at all, to them it can’t be a threat because it can’t organize in the way they understand organization to be, facebook is organized in a way they understand to be a threat, they understand corporations have power, no coporation for bitcoin, no company, no leader, no ceo no country, no structures they recognize as dangerous, just a network of nodes, passing info, storing info viral network, viruses aren’t threats to them, just saw that play out, don’t understand threat profile of virus, don’t understand how to respond to it in a way they don’t kill themselves in the process

what I say is the other side of eschaton, bitcoin can play a role, matrix version is the thesis, bitcoin is the anti-thesis, synthsis, you get both, mckennas idea, post eschaton, new age, restart

escanton, rame together, big bang, big suprise, post escaton, new material, move or what we’re talking about

indviiduals sustaining themselves off grid by necessity if they don’t they’ll be caught up into the web, very hard life

comparatively, to having everything handed to you, hard life to be self sufficient, in terms of knowledge.

Anti thesis, includes bitcoin cryptography, the resources, ability, the supply chains gone, reestablishing new supply chains, not illegal per se, like in 1984, writing in journal, wasn’t illegal, but if caught death sentence,

TP: earn it act

VA: cryptography is gonna be very different, play in their game, cryptography is out the window, telegram, signal gone relatively soon, cryptography as tool, unless you take away math, never take cryptography of out picture

concepts behind public key cryptography, level of computer science wherewithal, access to computer, computers ubiquitous, pgp, illiptical curve algo, library, released, send message on blockchain, post to address, only person with private key of that address could read it, data, message, write on the blockchain, old crypto tech, just sitting there, never be able to get rid of it

approach to crypto now, same as food, gonna have to learn to do it yourself

knowledge is not that hard, coding skills, pass around tools, libraries, minimal coding skills, if you’re a coders have simple libraries sitting around for cryptography, signatures for messages, for encrypting and decrypting files and messages, decentralized networks, get them up, share them around, get them out there, classes of people training people, offering coding classes, urgency hasn’t been there, picking that up again, waited for a while, people interested thought coding was cool, wanted to get a job in software, never viewed it that way, skill of liberty, knowing how to grow a garden, fix your car, change your oil, place like cuba, no important of new cars, parts hard to come by, artistry of keeping car running 70 years

TP: difference between dude and man, when something breaks at dudes house, calls the man to fix it

VA: love that, just perfect, the sudra era, shortest, commoner era, flatting of hierarchy 100% survival value, shortest because heros emerge quickly, dude and man, man is the hero

TP: give shovels to neighbors, agorism,

VA: just the introduction, new world order doesn’t need to be commanded by evil geniouses, global network of communications, perverse incentives, track you in digital life, know everything about you, extend it into physical world, internet of things you’re a thing, move of taking this technology mapping, digital world on physical world and vis-versa, same old incentives, except physical world is a really a hindrence to the movement of digital world and digital powers that be, they don’t want you to leave cyber space, if you leave digital world you’re not an asset to them

that’s the crypto savage, build new peer to peer digital world running parallet to theres

TP goosebumps moment, post cyberpunk, snipes, stallone, dennis leary as crypto savage, only have cybersex, std plagues, don’t shake hands, social distancing, speak profanity, ticket pops out, but would be a crypto/libra wallet,

VA: demolition man, brave new world, aldous huxley, george orwell, great sci fi, is really a study of human nature, that’s what makes it great, technology is just a idea of logical progression, what do we have now, progress this out, almost always dystopian, everything that moves forward, tech, language, physical tool, organizational structure, always moves towards corruption, sci fi, what does this look like when it’s corrupted, used in worst

TP: Craig Wright trying to patent open source software

VA: reason why that’s important, narrative standpoint, crafting a story, in order for their to be a hero’s journey, role of hero, rebirth from out of corruption, have to show corrupt world, without no reason for hero, sci fi, fantasy, lord of the rings, star wars, the reason why those work well as hero’s stories, not limited in degree of corruption, take corruption to fullest, best enemies, best villains, heros journey, rebirth, story of christ is heros journey, ideal of hero, luke skywalker, froto baggins, neo ,same heroic archetype, arise in world completely corrupt, more corrupt it is more heroic their acts

TP be thankful for enemies, petty tyrants, don’t want b list, medicore actors in your life movie, good villains

VA: virus isn’t villain, virus is one ring to rule them all, who holds narrative, how will they use it, state will use narrative one ring to rule them all, not use opportunity to come together, bring people together, crisis how do humans overcome crisis, we come to gether, that’s how we overcome, super power, put aside old greivances, we have a real crisis, how we think, from movies, astroid is coming, or independence day movies aliens, nations of world put aside differences, actually no, that’s not what the state does, state is divide and conquer, social distancing is exact opposite of coming together to solve a problem

the one ring to rule them all, it’s all about how will you be ruled, peer to peer electronic cash system, disintermediation, come together in the network, come together

mask, can’t communicate, 80% nonverbal, can’t see facial expressions all of these things, this is the escaton, thesis is social distance, separate, divide and conquer,

anti-thesis, decentralized, peer to peer self sufficient, 100% survival value

TP protests, counter protests, astro turfing, new, I’m darkish, left social media, trust no one, trust people you already know

VA: protests are stupid if you’re protesting for them to reopen the economy you’ve already lost, protesting without a mask on, useful idiot, they’re in complete control of narrative, protests, we did a poll, majority of people support social distancing, keeping economy closed, propaganda, everybody supports it, maybe I should

protests, astroturfing aside, legitimate protesters, that’s going to fail, the die is cast momentum already there, going down a path, no question about it, no coming back, only thing you can do is take another path

rebellion is not out in the streets, the rebellion is in your garden

TP: peer to peer, bit torrent, permaculture party pack, 10s of gigs, pirated material, compiled videos, documents, audios, bundled in one torrent, how cuba survived peak oil, microcosm of when ussr collapsed, cut off cuba from fossil fuels, retrofit to organic garden, didn’t have chems coming in, modernish case study in not begging, not being juvenile, not to put down spirit and tradition of assembly and free speech, you can belly ache at the man while you’re tearing up the side walk, tear of the intersection, planted and don’t leave, reclaim the space with the last calories you have

VA: thanks for torrent, downloading it, spreading it, again its a virus, peer to peer many to many this is the other path that’s going to be taken, finding those locations, moved to what I believe is one of such locations, people have to find what calls to them and it will call to you, this came out of nowhere, interesting and notable, it had been in the back of my mind, things ramping up, flights cut off, countries cut off, timeline is sped up, tings reopen, opportunity, got out, literally on last plane to island, before cut off from all inbound, the common wealth, from all inbound and outbound traffic of people, not of cargo, not everybody had opportunity, not predicting and following for years as I have, don’ tneed it, if your’e listening to this, things are gonna open back up, tell everybody righ tnow, they’re going to get shut back down, open up for a little while, laset gasp opportunity last chance for many people to make that move, while things are still shut down, look around put energy in that direction, appropriate thing may come to you, may be stay where you’re at, bugging out m ay not be the thing if your social capital is local

famers markets informal economy, may be smartest thing to stay

allies, not just going cold, working contacts for months, had place to stay, people to show around, established, met within few days, opportunity, when it opens up and shuts down again, when it shuts down again its gonna shut down for a long time, because businesses have failed

second wave, governements getting used to it, allows them to print money

some people, not gonna matter where you are, you can be a valuable asset almost anywhere, community gonna need, underground railroad, taking people out of slavery through making them self sufficient, food knowledge, secondary encrypted network, riding on the internet, small separate encrypted network, invisible, running in this encrypted way through same wires

TP: if time get into the play by play of how inept the government stimulus, I can list off the hackers of world, exploiting stimulus check, insecure, poorliy thought out, every permaculture designer, swiss army knife, adapt to any environment, one of the preppers dilemmas, old school stereotypical doomsday peppers, bullets beans bandaids, no way I’m gonna grow a garden, I don’t want the zombies to see what I have and want to take it, paradox, better make beautiful abundant garden, share with neighbors, infect them with gardening meme, get them gardening have them want to protect you with all of their might because you were in a way responsible for their survival, they are your armor, reason to be a gardening prepper, actually help, like yesterday get these systems established

arms race of open source software, hackers developers, steps ahead of government, every use case for crypto elucidated, brought into the fore, clusterfuck, government that takes from you, doesn’t have any rails to give back in an emergency

VA: hacker writ large, orginal idea of term, permaculture is hacker culture, for sure, pick up artist days, panty hacking, its about hacking of the human psychosexual landscape, platform, machine, whatever you want to call it, the hacker is someone who is a voracious consumer and implementer of knowledge and wisdom, platform agnostic, environment independent, able to create a life for themselves whether in social environment, agricultural enviornment, mineraological,l technological, hacker idea, flattened decentralized generalist idea, non hierarchical, hacker wants to share, a hacker wants a community , more inputs for knowledge, value of being around a permaculture community, conversation we just had, permaculture party pack, told me what network, go on network, pull it, that is what community is about, social distancing powerful tool for tyrants, internactions can never happen

ceo of zapos, deliverying happiness, hiring on culture fit, weather that really works or not, remains to be seen, don’t know zappos has been particularly profitiable, make tony shay billionaire, developing downtown las vegas, collsions, employees within walking distance, apartment buildings, community, collisions, people would randomly run into each other, valuable knowledge skills, businesses or share information, help other businesses, connect people to each other, part of culture down there, the mode that is happening with social distancing, how that ripples second 3rd, 4th, order effects, ripple through culture, demolition man style, people aren’t able to have same economic activity, too scared to shake each others hands, had experience on island, recognized me from tv days, rapport, connection in meeting, everybody where masks, following along, wasn’t until 3rd meeting, 3 days got a chance to shake hands

TP: neo punk rock movement, people who signal their waiver, rebellion of people who say we have enough diy medicine shamans, in our community, neo tribe, rather die on feet than live on our knees, embrace chaos, embrace nature, virological chaos punks, new subculture, stark above ground underground, sci fi, underworld dwellers, social distancing, demerit tickets, deduct your central bank digital currency, above ground, hyper hiegene, culture, trusting big pharma, underground abandoned subways, not gonna come back in that paradigm

VA: a lot of these space, gonna be abandoned, underground will thrive on that carcass, that has been the way that history has moved always

TP: just balkanization of sorts

VA: roman empire, fell, didn’t fall, receded back to east, constantinople, byzantiane, empire survived a long time, until ottomans took, 1200 or something, 1000 years almost that the roman empire continued after what we call the fall of rome, receded, empire fell, but receded, not like everything just died

TP: although they did lose the recipe for concrete for hundreds of years, marveling at relics don’t know how they were built

VA: that’s the return to the garden, that is the story of adam, he’s marveling at the garden that was build by god, he didn’t have the skills to build that, lost from him, when kicked from it

fall of rome, trading all over place, decadent age, falls, recedes, farther outpost england, recedes from there, england falls into time of magic, arthurian lengends, merlin, after romans, with math, science, architure, advance language, finance, fell into magic, history had a break, came into mythological time, in the same way where much of the real world is going to be abandoned, the matrix again, the real world is going to be abandoned, no need for real world, living in virtual world, everything goes into virtual world, people will literally need to live in a closet, going out, going into matrix, virtual world, spending more and more time

TP: virus is acceleration of doom climate change, make the air unbreathable, going back to whole in ozone, shocking news, what does it look like if we burn off the atmosphere, mars comes to earth, living in bubble dome, synthetic, haven’t out of thin air be able to make food, definitely grow meat out of primordial ooze

VA: climate change narrative, don’t go out, seeing that, nature is reclaiming these spaces, people have wanted, this idea is perceived as positive, I don’t think we should see as positive

so the issue is when we put something qualitative on the idea nature is reclaiming these space, allegators in venice canals, air is clean, good thing, its simply quantitative, that’s what nature does, nothing posiitive or negative, if people go away from a place, nature recliams it

it takes incredible amounts of maintance for nature to not reclaim something, shit ton of time for it to look like human being s look there, nature will reclaim it while your’e living there, fight to keep nature out

the climate narrative, taken to logical conclusion its a death cult, kill people in that area, remove people from earth, nature takes back the earth, if people are gonna be there, people are going to behave in a certain way, work more inline with nature

we don’t have to do factory farming, we can do food forest, put human hand into, chosen what we want to grow there, if we didn’t do that nature would have chosen, and she might have chosen something we couldn’t eat, what will the human hand look like in this area, in this space, mental space or space of consciousness, will the human hand be benign and sustainable, or will it be pathological and parasitic

either one can generate vast amounts of resources, strip mining can create vast amounts but they’re gone after a while and they just leave a waste land

group that wants to social distance you, put you in pod, if you were taken from home, placed in jail cell, 6×9 cell for 30 years, nature will have retaken your home, is that a good thing?

The new ethos of this movement if there is to be an ethos, human beings are not bad, its not a death cult, it’s not about removing human beings, human beings have an ability to connect with something higher, or ability to fall to lowest of depths, end up with dystopian future, reach for something hire, beautiful and technological

TP: personal evolution, deep ecologist, misanthrope, permaculture not that there’s too many humans, its the behave of the humans that’s the problem, need everybody alive to participate, repair damage and clean up

to add to that point there is a book, thesis of 1491, part of it, entire amazon rainforest is bi-product of human habitation of landscape that was appropriate, lungs of planet wouldn’t have developed as they have it wasn’t for proto tribal villagers, foraging bands, duing horticulture gardening, bi-product scattering seeds with shit, appropriate shelters, creating conditions for more life

words of Geoff Lawton, most accomplished permaculturalist alive, humans used to be and can still be the most beneficial element in an ecosystem

VA: thesis antithesis, two pathways, human beings will recede from nature, seeing it happen already, last vestiges that were connection to nature, in established paradigm, agriculture, vast tracts of ag land, factory farmed or not, people working that land, are connected to nature, connected in a system that whereby their actions enable, millions, few individuals enable millions to not have any connection to nature, lack of connection to source of food, lack of conneciton to source of food is crux of whole thing, food and water, people don’t have access to that is the crux of everything

symbol of ultimate disconnection of source of food to your food, exact thing that were closed first, restaurant, sit down high end restaurant, vast menu, things from global supply chain, combined into one dish, shut down first, now this is the receding the great receding, recession not in economic terms, receding further away from nature, back into itself

as it recedes its gonna give up space, and we need to be filling that space

TP: timing of ai and robotics, we though big ag, chem ag bad enough, now people aren’t even gonna be in the fields to make the ethical decision of whether they’re gonna poison it

virus scortched earth, keeps mutating, recombining, different flue seaons, who’s gonna roll out the smart farm bots, almost there, dystopian, yin/yang, we have the tool kits to return to garden of eden, also have perfect storm to technologically tyranize, I don’t know if its a fair fight, the only thing that levels it is the crypto savage, permaculture farmer can’t win in a fist fight with robots and drones and surveilence capitalism, but crypto, ninjitsu of cryptography

vin armani show, invest in the revolution and get rich doing it, that’s what I finally stopped being a no-coiner

VA: bitcoin mind blowing, new book, needed for this happening now to get next piece in there, what is at the core of bitcoin outside of price, what is this powerful core idea, how does it allow this peer to peer transfer of value, goes into the food thing, growing your own food from a seed or cutting or seedling, something I’ve done since I was a kid, grew up in house that always had a garden planted many fruit trees when I was a kid, family home of mine, awesome to watch my own children pick and eat apples and oranges and pears from trees that I had planted when I was 12 or 13, eaten off of for years

purist notion of understanding lockian notion of property and value, idea that a natural resource combined with labor creates a good, property can be exchanged, growing own food, you always have extra, people don’t realize the abundance of well tended garden, or of a fruit tree that’s a mature fruit tree, apple tree probably 25 years old, rediculous, having existed, there is more wild life now, don’t ever remember squirrles in that neighborhood, recent years, tons of opposoms, lizards, because of damn fruit trees, something for them to eat, I never saw a squrril, growing up in this particular neighborhood, thank god the squirrles were there cause we couldnt’ eat all the apples, oranges, lemons, pears, avocados, given them away, constantly been a garden, constantly been fruit trees, value

bitcoin is leveraging that, aspect of cryptography, really the hashing functions, signature algo, proof, math for proof that something happened, incredible concept, something I can feel absolutely assured that a very very specific act happened in a very specific way, person saying they did is the person who did it, pretty phenomenal, build system around it to transfer value, any kind of value, assign value to things in the world, receding into a virtual world, proof is almost unnecessary, programmer can make anything pop on screen

probably half people test positive for antibodies, mortality rate incredibly low, living in a post proof world, people don’t demand proof, proof is no longer necessary, would of fake news, world of propaganda, 1984

bitcoin, so important, that proof, that ability to use this technique to prove something, anything, proof of work, labor, proof that labor happened, labor is what creates property

that’s the crux of value, that’s recardos labor theory of value, not marx, all value in marketplace is derived from labor

you can’t sell me an apple if you haven’t planted the tree, picked, bought it, exchanged it brought it, there was labor involved somehow

proof of work proves that labor took place, you can build an economy

not money printer goes brrrr, economic system based on a hustle, relatively smart gold hustler, the hustle is falling apart, bitcoin is a gift, proof of work is gift from universe

speculation was a blip, way to ahead of its time in that regard, but now, exchange for food that you grew, outside of this new web panopticon that’s coming, the value is immeasurable, we can build a whole new world with this

TP: invoke this permaculture mycellium, networks, peer to peer, network effects, discoveries, I like the phrase math isn’t invented, its discovered, its nature, Jimmy song said something like that

I want to throw out there, my final thoughts for those listening if you download the permaculture party pack, 72 hour official permaculture design course, bill mollison, geoff lawton, get torrent go through course, youd’ have same qualitification as any other certified designer, you’ll have done the most canonical training

holy grail, crown jewel of systems, chinampas, island water gardening, engineered, most productive landscape engineering design, constructed wetlands that grow crops in islands, into a lake original mexico city, grind pattern out into lake, canoe into gardens, instead of sidewalks and streets, subirrigating crops, drought proof, any climate, super dense polyculture, aquaculture, and dry farm plants, I’m working on now,

another thing, tromp, very few in the world, cant’ say exact history, way to create infinite free energy, harnessing energy created by falling water, water fall, can’t efficiently create cap on the break, air bubbles, energy events, difficult to put turbine on top of that, but if put water stream flow, drops underground, engineered cave, going down pipes, giant metal bell, to capture that vibrating energy, gas exchange where waters breaking, nature process, compression of air, gives infinite compressed air used to power vehicles, turbine to generate electricity, transapocalyptic bitcoin mining operation, restoring watersheds, greening deserts, beyond solar, harvesting wasting energy, less materials, more sustainable to have bitcoin mining reward to innovate green technology

bitcoin is basically digesting the crudeness and foolishness of this hustler scam that you’re talking about, metamorphize and spit out potentially the most elegant ecological oragami of energy, incentive that pushes us in that direction, most transapocalypitc, techno utopian, forward thinking crypto thesis, tromp, pdc, worth checking out

take us back to family farm in eden

VA: that’s a beautiful view, also believed the mechanism of proof of work, incentive is most efficient and sustainable form of energy possible, utilizing nature, free and natural resources given by nature in place, where proof of work is fated and destined to go, things to move forward on, bitcoin, multigeneration project, changes we’re talking about, happening quickly, but what we’re seeing now is the birth/death singularity, of actual cross over time, while that doesn’t happen in an instant, birth/dying process, death and dying process can be very extended for some people or it can be instant, birth is a probably a lot better, window of labor and birth, piece after, before the child is nursing and resting, still precarious time, we’re in the midst of that, right now we’re in labor pains, happening fast, level of intensity, happening to entire human family, to entire species, something we couldn’t have imagined, many of us knew clearly it was coming, this shift, opportunity is amazing

somewhere in our dna we knew that this was coming, same way mother knows child is coming, we’ve been pregnant with this change as a species, scary time, child coming can be still born, mother can also die, that’s not the case here per say, I don’t think this is a false start, communist revolution might have been false start, clearly was still born, 70 year period, it never really got its legs, fighting for life, but this is real, both mother and child are gonna live through this one, but always two children are born, right hand path left hand path, yin/yang, duality, multi generational project, don’t expect to see final outcome, incredibly interesting times, we have the tools on both sides, opportunity to make a choice, few generations to have the ability to make a choice

matrix, cypher, wants to get put back in matrix because he’s miserable in the real world

what you resonate with his how you make your choice, really make the choice in the heart, gonna take a level of bravery, a lot of sacrifice, relatively less sacrifice, nothing you have now that is going to be here 5 years from now, nothing, if ever a time to give it up, now is the time, it’s not continuing through this, birth is being made, new thing is here, make choice which side you want to stand on, hold on it’s gonna be a wild ride

TP: streamlining for flight into hyperspace, terrence line

grow deeper roots in on going conversation, welcome back anytime, sooner than later

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