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Boosting Immunity to Deep State Shadow Magic with Shonagh Home TPP266

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In this episode I’m joined again by Shonagh Home, the mushroom priestess who never ceases to amaze! Our conversation topic this time is the politics of pandemics, ancestral wisdom on immune system health, and navigating the evils of deep state craft.

Please visit her website at: https://www.shonaghhome.com

About Shonagh:

Shonagh Home is a shamanic therapist, teacher, writer and poet. Her specialized private sessions and retreats are probing and revelatory, assisting clients to break chronic, self-defeating patterns, and move into empowered personal sovereignty. Shonagh is an international public speaker on the subject of visionary shamanic-spirit medicine, a voice for stewardship of the honeybees, and a teacher on the subject of Traditional Foods. She is author of the books, ‘Ix Chel Wisdom: 7 Teachings from the Mayan Sacred Feminine,’ ‘Love and Spirit Medicine,’ ‘Poetic Whispers from the Green Realms,’ and ‘Honeybee Wisdom: A Modern Melissa Speaks.’

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

SH: moved to n. vermont last summer, 9 months, working weekly, individual retreats, deep psycho spiritual work, I work with the psyche, work with it in a medicine woman way, also very psychic very intuitive, use other methodologies, they don’t teach in the regular institutional environment

appreciate that approach of exploring the deep shadow nature, working with dreams, utilizing cards, astrology, bring all of that to the table, ability to key into the persons unconscious, listening between and beneath the words their sharing, love what I do, been very fortunate, my work is really at this point referrals, that has been just wonderful

that’s where I’m at, got a little property, conjured this property, apprenticed myself to the mushroom, 10th year of apprenticeship to that teacher, power of heart, mind, doesn’t give all the answers, gives clues, so I can do my digging

live like a nun, I do these retreats with a different beautiful person, on the weekends, books and research

so excited its almost finished, put in a labyrinth on my land, 60 foot diameter, big, 7 circuit labyrinth, looks very much like the brain,

very much a warrior, what I feel like right now, really in a battle right now, very ancient, spiritual battle, it’s a battle for all life on earth, what I feel is its all about frequency, they want to launch that 5g everywhere, planetary very serious matter, I’m sure they’ll lay way more of those while everyone is self quarantining and out of the way so these guys can get the rest of what they want done

labyrinth is counter force to that, we had extraordinary power, power of our minds, minds have been hacked, been going on for some time, quite a number of late, everyone is in an absolute hysterical panic, with incredible unprecedented fear porn everywhere you look now, took away all the sports, no really way to escape, so many people are just glued to their sets, having this shit repeated over and over and over, that is mind control

you cannot access the higher order thinking, you can’t access reason when you’re fear, guess what else fear does it suppresses the immune system

these are unprecedented times, and I smell a rat, no pun in intended, what do rats bring, pandemic, rat someone who can’t be trusted

where we are in all of that

my intention is to be a counter force to that

begins with each one of us individually

TP: immune system narrative?

SH: the last druid documentary, older gentleman in Ireland, knowledge of druids passed down carefully, so much, the training starts when they’re young, him and two other men, triune, each one holding information, fascinated documentary, take away, “when a society loses connection to god” (architect of nature, call it god shamelessly) “then the technology of that society becomes evil”

we are spirit in matter, listening to doctor Thomas Cowen MD, The Four Fold Path to Healing, real doctor, traditional food, traditional wisdom, common sense, student of Rudolph Steiner, for humanity to evolve in the right way, the heart is not a pump, the heart will stop the blood and put it into a vortex, sends it on pathway through rest of the body, sufis speak of a moment when the heart stops in between each beat, that’s when god enters the human being, that’s when the human being is given spirit

what you hear about the space between the words, is where god resides if you will

the understanding that the heart is a vortex, Victor, the water wizard, Viktor Schauberger, documentary, all about water, he understand vortexes, in the heart, spirit interfaces with matter, immune system very interesting, 70-75% immune system in the gut, we are earth, the microcosm of earth, made up of composites from earth and space, our gut is like the soil, the soil in the garden needs lots of beneficial bacteria, every so often pathogenic bacteria, never able to take up residence, teaming with healthy bacteria so it keeps it out

we’ve taken quite a beating through the 20th-21st century, the beating continues

anti-biotics obliderated healthy gut, starts with babies, ear infection, anti biotics

vaccines, aluminum and mercury, very devastating

what’s it gonna take for people to wake up

china’s not reporting anymore cases, numbers are going down in Korea, something’s very wrong here, someone has taken this and just run with it, what a fabulous excuse to implement measures that no one would agree to

give over all their rights for their safety

this has been talked about for some time, people label these people conspiracy theorists, asking uncomfortable questions, uncomfortable truths,

very much want us on a digital currency, when we go cashless my god, little extra tip, whatever, any kind of financial autonomy, it will all be digitalized, highly surveiled, on chinese social credit system, if your opinions, then your money could disappear,

if those people want to book tickets, call a friend a warning will come up on their friends phone, heading into some really scary territory

they are able to use the media for full propaganda

if it worked during war time, it should be used in peace time

diabolical manipulation

we’ve been propagandized, deeply conditioned, prussian education system

all about individual, think for yourself, not get sucked into divisive narratives

they want us fighting

socially engineered narratives

the big boys are moving the chess pieces

so the first order of business, get off the damn media,

the only news there is, and apparently no one’s dying of anything else, just this, incessant, it’s demoralizing, it’s disempowering, biggest thing, they’re crashing the economy, not just in this country, we’re actually at war is what’s going on here

this is an economic war, I can promise one thing, china will be right as rain, back up and running in no time

would not be surprised, interest rates at zero, guess who’s gonna come in and buy up everything for pennies on the dollar

first detox off of that press, start taking really exceptional care of our bodies

colloidal silver is very important, mainstream media been knocking, that’s your que, pic some up, vitamin c, very helpful, ways to get vitamin c, one of the best is through sour krout, build up gut micro biome, ferments are fantastic,

gotta get off the sugar, can’t eat it, suppresses immune system

we’re gonna learn so much from this, our system is such a mess, a number of people are living paycheck to paycheck, waiting tables until almost 30, really our ancestors, before the depression, they always put money away

you put money away for a rainy day, you’d have food stored, that was just common sense, seduced over 20th century to become consumerist

everything’s convenient, all at our finger tips, people froze to death in their condos, that is crazy, how ironic is that that that would happen

we’ve really lost ourselves, what I see is a silver lining hopefully is that, this becomes a time where we really start to grow up and become really independent and proactive in terms of taking the bull by the horns, taking care of our bodies, not indulging

just had such a bad day so I deserve this

all well and good, does catch up with you, food out there is really harming people so we need to take that into our own hands

I’m all about the individual, and community, but the right community

don’t want to be put in with a bunch of people I have nothing in common with

I think we’re gonna see more communities coming together to grow food

local is great, people used to have gardens, animals, chicken, goats, cow, pigs,

stuff got canned, maybe we can have more of that

love the idea of city gardens, some speaker from detroit at a conference, you know what we do with empty lots we til them

entirely doable, maybe we’ll see more of that out of necessity

SH: Stiener, virus, extretion of poison from a cell, small pox, the poison is fear, that’s very interesting, I’ve heard a number of people say corona is really a mind virus, stiener said, the poinse is the fear, once he has eradicated the fear, he would be able to help others with small pox

florence nighengale, famous nurse, wasn’t afraid, had no fear, that’s why she never got infected, never got sick, power of the mind, mushrooms have been teaching me, the power of our minds, that is that the snake charmers, in india, men and women, in order to handle these deadly poisonous snakes, they had to eradicate the fear, the women never got bit, some times the men, it would be an ego thing, had to prove they could do it, they would get, in those times, when they were very hyper disciplined, had completely eradicated any kind of fear, they could be in this very calm state and connect with that snake, and hold it without getting bit

very interesting, rudoph stiener, genious, could see spirits, clairvoyant, claircognization,

biodynamic farming, lectures stiener gave at waldorph schools, theosophy movement

spiritual science, anthroposophy, combining wisdom of ancients with science, he did not see viruses as something you catch, excretions of the poisoned cell, electricity, that changed nature changed our body systems dramatically, we didn’t have electricity before that, radio waves, a whole new frequency we were not accustomed to, health went down at that time, as that increases it will limiit human kinds ability to be human and to be spiritually connected, so much of this technology is doing as well, our cells are poisoned, from all these vaccines, all the garbage in the food, environmental toxins, the piece around fear

so imprisoned in this conditioning we’ve received, constantly looking outside of ourselves for everything

look at the associations, all these doctors being paraded out, they’ve got the white coats, the badge, uniform, it’s a costume, associations with that, conditioned to look to that person as our authority, what they advocate is downright harmful

not just cause they’re not eating right, the power of our own minds, we’ve barely tapped what we are capable of

this is what the mushroom has shown me, we are magical beings if you will

we always have been, at some point, as each race was taken over, by this roman machine if you will, civil system, all about enslavement, the elders would be murdered, the young would be raised under the umbrella of that narrative, aftera couple generation there goes the story, the wisdom, connection to the ancestors, creator gods gone,

if they don’t realize that they are holding tremendous power, they’ll never realize that power, they never will, that’s non sense that’s nothing, so it shall be

I have done a number of my own experiments in my own life, the power of my own mind, what’s hilarious is, this just occurred to me this past fall, I’ve had a life time, aries woman, very sort of go go go, suffered from chronic worry for the better part of my life, crippling self doubt, I think that’s what they call anxiety, would never occur to medicate, I gotta figure this out

mushroom help me realize the power of my own mind, I’ve been conjuring, and what I want to do now is bring that out into the great world in terms of what I’m conjuring and invisioning, frequency as well, using earth technologies like a labyrinth or round towers of ireland, stone circles are earth technologies, we have so much within us it

its’ in the mind, our minds have been so hacked, you want to talk about detox, start with the media, get a way from that, it takes over the mind

saying, you can’t serve two masters, either ceaser or god

internet has taken over people consciousness, people go right to their device, that has become their consciousness in a way, it just occurred to me

the power of the mind, it’s untapped

SH: put your hands in the garden soil, let that dirt get in your finger nails, that how we used to fend off any kind of disease or illness, exposing ourselves to all the microbes and all of that, get those ferments into your diet, yogurt, sour krout, coconut yogurt, probiotics, beat cavas, tonic, all of these foods have been apart of humanity’s diet in various forms for millennia, it was how we preserved our food, we fermented it, gave us strong guts, vigorous health, first order of business

cut out all sugar, that includes alcohol, that’s got to go

lot of different diets, I look to grandmother wisdom foods, broth would be a really good thing to have in your diet

chicken broth, jewish penicillin,

broth would wake the dead, fed to people on death bed, nursed back to health, through broth loaded with minerals taken into the body

if you’re vegan, than do seaweed broth, sea minerals, certainly help you

beeler broth, in the back of nourishing traditions, sally fallon’s book, compendium of grandmother wisdom foods, there’s that,

people have addictions, so addicted to a lot of these salty fast foods

so again this is boy are we in grow up time, we are in grow up time

we’re gonna have to be really proactive and manage our own health

there’s another old saying, govern yourself lest ye be governed

do you want the cdc and who to dictate what you should do what your body

sovereign can no longer make excuses for his failures

this is about being autonomous, gaining that second education

being proactive, do some research, do your research

always say look to nature and the ancients as your teacher

you wont be led astray you just wont

also suggest, go on youtube and type in the top 10 logical fallacies, fallacious arguments, get those all the time

go on triviumeducation.com, start learning the basics of the trivium, grammar, logic, rhetoric, critical thinking have to reactivate that

remember when people are in fear, you can’t access reason, how are you going to make any intelligent decisions, how are you gonna know when to question the narrative

detox from that media, smart people just don’t see through it, I’m just incredulous

have to start doing just that

align yourself with other people who have eyes to see and ears to hear, who are not readily easily seduced who are coming up with their own innovative solutions

I really think the community garden thing is so key

look to our ancestors

Joel Salatin, I do read his blog, today, listen my goodness, before the depression hit, artificially constructed, people had great common sense, always had extra food, larder, that’s a place where you do canning, you keep the bounty of what you grew over the summer,

hopefully see more after this shit show clears, more communities people coming together, growing food, saving seeds, learning basic know

Tantra Punk Box Set Decentralized Archive Project Now in Beta Testing Mode TPP255

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Permaculture, Futurism, Techno-Optimism, Pessimism, and Realism Part 2 TPP254

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In this episode I share part one of a commentary I did on the Ray Kurzweil documentary Transcendent Man

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

What mollison said in the beginning of in grave danger of falling food, basically that some of us have the dream of colonizing space, I don’t think we’d be very welcome guests if we defoul our own planet

if that is the final frontier, that hasn’t been destroyed or polluted and colonized, male ego oriented curiosity

if we go out into the intergalactic ecology, seek out new life and civilizations will we have skeletons in our closet, if we can responsibly redirect the momentum of the tech, and apply them to our defouled nest, after a few generations maybe a few millennia, proving we can responsibly our apply our gifts and genius to enhance our home native garden planet

I wish someone would come down, classic alien ufo archetype, we’ve got all your solutions right here, but we’ve got some stipulations first, first repair the damage, redistribute wealth, you have a blue print called permaculture

when we come back in 1000 years, you’ve cleaned up your mess, then we’ll give you what some of you desire so feverishly, that would be supreme cosmic justice, if that carrot can be dangled from a higher technological force

maybe a civilization that had come to maturity, reconciliation of masculine and feminine energy, habitat of their own planet

shamanic accounts of encounters with extradimensional entities that have succeeded in all these ways

similar growing pains in consciousness and tech, became ethical and utopian

overcome patriarchy

it’s taken for granted, so embedded, patriarchy in the course of tech evolution in the language of mankind, even transcendent man, male dominant technological trajectory

take for granted that it’s human destiny to leave the planet, even that tendency is gender bound, if you acknowledge that the majority of mechanization, last few thousands years, male centered,

less scientific, more philosophical, terence mckenna’s novelty theory, 16 billion years evolution of known universe, first types of matter, complexifying into more complex forms, the building blocks of life, spiral of transformation, does seem to have a constant mathematical laws governing it in some way

it became epigenetic in the hands of human consciousness, considering the human neocortex to be the most complex and interconnected, dense artifact in the known world, evolution of consciousness into form

breaking the genetic biological evolution, from our imagination into our tools and machines

both mckenna and kurzweil saying it’s a natural law, acceleration is happening, dropping down from the genetic matrix into human hands

all accept that, we have been gifted with the power, and the responsibility to carry forth that accelerating curve of evolution, don’t think it was handed to the male, but the patriarchal power structure, social structures have been the dominant force that have been in place since that last few 1000 years

thought experiment, are we destined to explore outer space, if you look at eco feminist perspective

male dominant patriarchal society, some of critiques I’ve heard, why would we want to leave, this is our home, the urge to leave it would be a absurd

if you’re living in a totally nourishing edenic state of abundance, consciousness all of desires being met with immediate ecology, look out in distance, past a desert, would you really want to risk it, why would we want to go to mars, why go suffer and be there just to say that we did it, to put the flag down

different kinds of eco feminist, I’m more of an essentialist, inherent biological connection to earth from human female perspective, some arguments, males are disconnected from the life cycle, they don’t carry a child, don’t menstruate, aren’t affected by moon as much, not as intuitive, separated estranged male ego to build vast enterprises of machine technology, alien to the program of life on earth

ability for that trajectory to be directed by the estranged half of the species, leads to desire to colonize mars because we defouled our own planet

let’s say all of that acceleration of returns, I like the way kurzweil said it, not quoting, platform of tools and tech at one stage, become the means to develop the next stage, that law holds true for building blocks of life, of matter, and so on to human designed technologies, if we look at all those accelerated returns from 16 billion years ago, big bang, all of those returns up until 100k years ago when humans really started to take on that curve of accelerated returns if we just look at that last segment where humans started, the last few 1000s years, the returns that have happened are totally rooted in patriarchal agendas of controlling matter, territory, warfare all these very alienated from nature types of agendas, thought experiment what would it look like, not suggesting matriarchal, just a partnership, partnership vs dominator societies, more elegant way of confronting patriarchy, there are partnership modes and dominator modes

shamanically guided hunter gather bands, foraging societies, in most ways equal, did not have dominating power dynamics, resources, sexuality

only in the last few thousands years since dominator culture emerged,

we’d still have the same amount of change, and develop if we had the partnership way

the permaculture dream, end point on earth, super hyper advanced rate in next few years/decades, I consider that to be the more feminine possible utopian future, we direct all that will, curiosity, to making a good home for ourselves on earth, really master that, from that foundation that platform, if there is that will to go live on a desert planet for no reason, so be it, but you’ll have to do it through astral projection, but to destroy your home planet, captain of space ship earth, misogynist prick sacrifice all of nature for these totally corrupt conquests of dimension

Permaculture, Futurism, Techno-Optimism, Pessimism, and Realism Part 1 TPP253

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In this episode I share part one of a commentary I did on the Ray Kurzweil documentary Transcendent Man

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

innocense of getting into science

geniuses that could be reached, extremely high level stuff

hip to environmental technologies

nano solar technology

once you get the download of the permaculture conceptual framework it becomes a lens you can apply to all different aspects of reality

social, personal, ecological, all these different landscapes

exciting when can share that skill set, that tool kit with other people who have different backgrounds, apply to their core competency

if kurzweil, had that imprint of permaculture

imagine how his algorithmic thinking about exponentiality and the potential of hyperspeed implementation of these technologies on the horizon

if that level of awareness and direction, genetics, nanotech, and robotics, leading to singularity, I was thinking about diy, there’s potential

kurzweil’s law of accelerating returns, anything is possible at this point, when I was watching beyond sustainability on youtube with david holmgren, inevitability of peak oil, unless a sci fiction outcome happens, energy source to power current and growing demands, that would be the only way we wouldn’t have to experience involuntary simplicity

immediately I thought, that is a factor, if anybody is going to ask is that possible or what would that look like, it would be someone like kurzweil, who’s crunching the data

making logical predictions, conclusions not widely accepted, anything is possible state of mind

getting that introduction to his data and his outlook, gave me a lot of hope, a good medicine, not a full antedote, but a medicine for the people getting depressed by the grim prospects

even the people doing the great work to install permaculture landscapes, its the most invigorating medicine you can have

the odds aren’t against us if you look at kurweil’s perspective, anything really is possible, the nano-solar implementation, a big problem of course is that even if there really was a major new energy source unveiled,

it would require the re-engineering of all the infrastructure people have, always will be haves and have nots even if there’s a new wave of technology

because of the socio-economics of the way the world is structured under patriarchal industrial capitalism,

distribution is not gonna be equal, the other 90%

futuristic sci fi perspective, feel 3 different variants, 1 being mad max version, 1 be blade runner, 1 would be star trek version

in mad max, you have the failure of the singularity delivering us from all of our problems, perfecting all of our weaknesses,

techno-pessimistic perspective, we’re not gonna make it

in the star trek world, that is the scenario where, I don’t know how much they deal with what actually happened on earth, but you get the idea from the star trek legacy, they were able to solve problems with technological innovation

techno utopian future, battles with different interests throughout the universe, but earths’ evolution of technology led in a positive, utopian direction

then in the middle, I’m more in sync with, the blade runner, cyber punk techno dystopia, corporate fascist,

all owned, proprietary, owned , locked down, corporate controlled, suffer in toxic hell on earth, if you can’t afford, implants, filters, get on board escape pods, haves vs have nots

meeting in the middle of kurzweil techno optimism, I don’t think it’s totally likely that we’ll have across the board complete decimation of modern society, and return to a barbaric mode, iron age, bronze age, chiefdom societies

what mad max portrays is what did exist for 1000s of years of early civilization, settled societies, food producers, ransacked by hordes, unable to maintain national boundaries with air strikes and massive military, order of law, international commerce

total collapse, partial collapse,

digitized food, digitized clean area, nano everything, robotic everything

I was really impressed with the time lines, it came to my mind, if you could do a time lapse on human implements, watch them shrink from giant medieval, carriages, cuneiform, glyphs, the scale of computation, transportation, all kinds of different devices and machines and time lapse that so that at a certain point it gets smaller and smaller until it disappears and become invisible

tightening spiral of evolution and change, totally makes sense, the frontier of nano machines

I’m pretty convinced, if that trajectory of exponential shrinking of machines is upheld then we can expect to have this nano frontier to be working with

if the political will was there to be doing things like soil remediation and soil building and all that kinda good stuff, way more interested in that than creating nano blood cells, and expanding human life span to be immortal

my critique of kurzweil on that level is that, he would do well to study shamanism, an earth bound orientation to being an organism, shamanic traditions, its okay to die, what’s after death isn’t that scary, there’s ways to encounter the after life while you’re alive so you’re not afraid of it

I feel free grotesque aspirations about messing with human life span, the way we fight disease, understanding that there are precedents in human history, living in ways appropriate for the ecosystem, humble the male ego, that just can’t be a peace

he talked a lot about the suboptimality of the human organismic design and programming from a dna perspective, not my area of interest

I’d much rather solve the issues that affect life on earth period, not extending the human life span, not buy our way out of the natural consequences of being out of balance on a personal level, why you have disease

all for using tech to help people, but giving someone the ability to cheat the consequences of lack of exercise, poor diet, out of balance with local ecology, distribution of wealth and opportunity throughout the world

those are my ethical boundaries

if he of all people had permaculture principle, ethical framework installed

something else I really get, gram bell, permaculture way, the spiral of intervention, a few ethical procedural, methodological points to it

having to do with problems on the landscape, predators, disease, the largest part of the spiral the base of it, would be to do nothing, wait and see if problem solves itself, next stage would be mechanical intervention, biological, intervention, last of all chemical, if you’re looking at solving problems in a food production landscape, example of predators eating your life stock, you could do nothing and see if it balances out

happened upon a documentary called collapse, based on Jared Diamond’s work, how societies choose to succeed or fail, focusing on the ones that collapsed and one’s that were facing collapse but were able to turn it around

sentiment I thought of for a while, when all these high civilization’s we’re at there peak, moments away from total collapse, hyper extension throughout the landscape, everything coming down to deforestation, water supply issues, all rooted in misuse of the landscape, creating surplus not returning to the landscape, or the people, all funneled to the ruling elite, work on the collapse of societies

they would not have dared imagined that they were so close to the edge

the ruling elite acknowledges the threats but not taking it seriously enough

we have this faith in science and technology to rescue us, depending on how much you bury your head into the data

so I’m all on board with the potential, techno optimistic positive singularity potential

as some one who studies survivalism, looks at barriers to those infinite possibilities, let’s say without serious friction the rate of change will continue to increase, all those frontiers of genetics, nano tech, and robotics will flower and unfold, feel sick to even use that metaphor, but if this truly is to be the flowering of human consciousness, I feel very alienated from earth, very dangerous, extreme forms of violence, warfare, I would much rather this would not unfold, but I don’t think it’s possible, save by divine intervention, a massive plauge, we were so close, so close, if there would have just been another couple years of cheap energy and water, these institutions developing these technologies and these frontiers, we would have gotten to that point of technological salvation, or infinite possibilities in those spheres

we pushed the limits so far, its not assured, it’s not guaranteed, that trajectory is not gonna be clothes lined and immediately fall because of how far stretched

if only we’d learned from the mistakes of previous civilizations that have collapsed at the peak of their technological prowess

the fact is, the thing that’s most pressing to me is we are so abundantly aware of how previous civilizations have collapsed, total hubris towards natural limits, breaking laws of nature to build these empires, then getting smacked down immediately and losing huge chunks of information to illiteracy in the dark ages, and entropy and erosion, the decay of texts and whatnot

in life after people the history channel series, they showed how the information technology that we have built up will have the least longevity in the face of natural entropy, we can’t control the climate of our documents, can’t keep the sunlight out, the buildings start cracking, all the digital information storage, almost immediately dissolved, it was the civilizations that used stone media to tell there stories and to keep their histories, that will actually be what lasts, a big part of me thinks that, as arrogant as previous collapsed society was and to think of what was on their technological horizon at the point that they got smacked down, it was probably just as grandiose, they could have achieved their hopes and dreams if they hadn’t outstripped their resources, warfare over resources, social psychological question, more than a mechanical technological one, will the population of the earth have a paradigm shift

the paradigm shift is the wild card factor, is that paradigm shift possible, we know its possible to have power and control, but whether or not people rise up to create that paradigm shift in ethics and principles, permaculture will be the most powerful intervention to that trajectory and help really give us a chance at a positive future

What a Shaman Sees In the Souls of Mobile App Millenials with Christina Pratt TPP191

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Christina Pratt picIn this episode I’m joined again by one of my most revered shamanic practitioner Christina Pratt, this time for a discussion about the effects of social media and other mobile apps on the development of the psyche and soul. She shares a wealth of insights into the multi-dimensionality of the issues and provides guiding lights of hope for how we can be in right relationship with our techno toys and tools.

We both share a sense of deep appreciation for the ancient technology that is the natural human imagination stimulated by nature, direct contact with the spirit world, and the experience of spoken story.

Please visit her websites at:
http://whyshamanismnow.org/
http://lastmaskcenter.org/

About Christina:
Thirty years ago with, a full cosmology of spirit help, Christina, brought forward The Cycle of Transformation, an extremely challenging, four-year training in the shamanic skills needed to create the New World in our time. She is the founder and primary shamanic healer at Last Mask Center (www.lastmaskcenter.org) in Portland, Oregon and the author of the two-volume set, An Encyclopedia of Shamanism.  Christina’s international, live-Internet radio show, Why Shamanism Now, offers over 350 hours of free podcasts on the practical application of shamanism in the archives at (www.whyshamanismnow.com).

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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township hunt podcast episode 191 I’m being joined Again by Christina Pratt who is one of my greatest most respected heroes in the shamanic community and a very prolific author and educator and practitioner and has training programs and and lots of amazing things that that I hope to Avail myself with some point in the future for now I’m just a big fan of her podcasts and MC bless this podcast back on episode number 125 but I was called demystifying the mechanisms of shamanic healing and it was a great intro to her personal background and her work and we got into some really core foundational Concepts within shamanic healing and I feel like that’s a really one of my favorite episodes of please do go back and listen to that for reference to Cristina’s work in more detail and to give a bit of a context for why we’re speaking again now a really it the inclination I had to reach out to her again to do another podcast it came within a couple of days of when I pretty much deleted all of the social social media applications from my phone and could give myself a real juxtaposition of how rigged up my nervous system had become an is addictive dopamine cycles of refreshing thing clicking on things and trying to keep up with the Joneses and on social media and how just absolutely perverse it felt and how Aunt it’s antithetical to my my values my deeper core values is like from deep ecology and Ann turkel primitivism in Neo luddism and things that were a lot easier to attach to as as political ideologies before everybody sort of got pushed and sucked into this this hyper cyber eyes the Internet connected world that over the last 20 it’s just sort of been this creeping phenomenon and so with his breath of fresh air I said all I got it I’ve got to ask Christina Christina to come on and talk about what a shamanic perspective from her perspective would be really more of a multidimensional perspective on what’s happening to our souls and what’s happening to the fragmentation of ourselves as we get sucked into these networks and then they betray us and all of the sort of issues that are coming up around humans relating human sexuality human self-esteem and answer character building and all these things I’m sure I just knew she would have a lot to say about it and so I’m excited to to have you back Christina and thank you for joining us again and if you would please give us one of your beautiful kind of incantation introductions help us get censored in the moment so we can look straight to look at these these issues from a good place alright alright engine tations alrighty then take a nice deep breaths and bring your awareness into your mind and another nice deep breath and sink your awareness into your heart and another nice deep breath and exhale and sync your awareness down into your belly and from your belly imagine your ability to reach down deeply into the center of the earth as if you were a lotus flower floating upon upon your little lily pad with your stem reaching down into the center of the earth and connecting deeply into the Earth and drawing up nourishment and Rejuvenation from the Earth and then without rising up and out of your head let’s just stay here in our bodies and let your awareness rise up that stand into the leaf of a lily and into the flowers of this Lily and as as the Lily that you are just opens here radiant and resplendent in your your simple beautiful blossoming Beauty allow the Rays of the Sun or perhaps you prefer the Rays of the Moon perhaps Starlight let this energy come down and touch your pedals and your lily pad and let yourself be open and receiving of the radiant energy from above and then just allow yourself as these above energies bra in the blessing and protection and the below energy straw up your nourishment and Rejuvenation that these energies kind of mix and merge there in that flower let that flower be present in your own belly I’m with another nice deep breath just have a sense of reaching out to the energies around us that we are here in a world that is alive with Spirits many many different kinds of spirit energies or life-force energy has many different frequencies however you want to think about it and just let yourself be present in this world relationship to other things and yet aware of where you end and these other things begin let that radiant Lily that you are have it space and be sure that you feel strong in yourself to take that space to show up to be here to take space be present in your life and to come into an even closer knowing of why you’re here what has value and meaning in your life and make sure that you lived this day in a way that serves those things that have purpose and meaning and value to your own thank you so much for that that was a beautiful a beautiful Journey I’ve been in the journey Space 2 degree now thank you for taking us there and I guess I’d like to ask there’s a couple of a couple of aspects one would be your personal thoughts and musings on just the evolution of communications technology throughout your life experience and acceleration and just your your lens on on that on that process and then and then we can talk about hopefully what in your practice working with people what you’re seeing is sort of the the case studies of people who are struggling with the the rapid acceleration of these Technologies and I’m curious like what’s showing up on your caseload so to speak and your classes whether it’s your clients are your students what you’re observing within the next Generation as as younger people are really being formed and shaped by the stick by the technologies that we can talk about how does that sound podcast and the way in which listeners who took it seriously many of them because I guess they felt they needed to that was that lonely person on the you know oil rigs in Alaska are some sort of cracking place or somewhere where they’re really frustrated with the situation that they’re in and they feel alone there in it being able to reach out to podcasts like yours like mine and to receive some sort of Lifeline that could keep their soul alive in these sometimes remote I’m sometimes not necessarily remote but some of Solace places that people can find themselves few days and people took some of these shows and frankly some of them did more with a sequence of podcast and some of my students doing my for your truck really interesting letters from different people I won’t go into all the details with the point of all of that was they taught me that we can use the technology in a good way and then when we do that it’s it can be a Lifeline to people and so that’s really inspired me to be willing to explore and not just say this is ridiculous why are we bothering would be really easy for me to say so so that’s the first Pieces Just Two recognizing that technology isn’t a replacement for what we don’t have it extends what we do have that’s how I tend to think about it so the podcast for example extend my reach as a teacher to to speak to people but also even Define people to resonate as student to that piece of information that’s shared in that podcast is that the same as studying with me for four years of course not but doesn’t mean it’s not a thing in its own right and so so the podcast allows that extension of the teaching eye because of the podcast and the audience that created I I took a step into teaching some of the things that I teach in online classes and online classes allow me to teach incrementally in a more natural whey versus always sees intensive download experiences when you come for a weekend or week and do everything all at once and still allows for a more organic step by step learning experience and so there’s even some advantages from the online learning and so these are just two examples of using the technology that is present and in a sense if I use the teaching example I didn’t really start doing it until the technology evolve to making it easy for us to offered live so that there could be alive components cuz that’s the piece that’s always what we already are it can be a great value where we use it to create something we aren’t or to spill avoid in our lives or to create something that we don’t already have we enter into a more addictive or codependent relationship with the technology or simply using the technology amplifier false self which we do a good enough job on our own we don’t need amplifier problem so so a lot of it then boils down to what is our relationship with technology and how are we using it and are we educating ourselves around the technology itself so so that to me is kind of the key place of being in right relationship with it now if we take that it just a step further make a circle back if you want to but a step further is recognizing that in Shamanism we actively engaged in in making the our relationships with everything around us real mean Shamanism is based in animism everything around is alive with its own kind of life force and that the way for us to be in the world respectfully is to is to honor and recognize those other life forces and do our best to be in relationship with them and there’s a series of podcast with Kelly Harrell is another amazing practitioner in North Carolina and shamanic practitioner and she and I have been talking about the influence masses of humanity can have on larger spirits so we’re particularly talking about spirits of the culture and of the land and of different places in this but the the gist of those conversations was the realization that our life isn’t sort of the way it’s presented through core Shamanism like the spirit world is this fixed thing and we can go visit there and basically no matter how we trash around we won’t break anything but what Kelly and I were saying is that that’s not what we’re experiencing and exploring in these toxins that that’s not really real that we are in relationship with the invisible world and that over time it is possible for us unintentionally or intentionally to begin to influence it in other words we can play very heavily on an energy in our environment to the degree that that energy in our environment eventually morphs or adjust in some way to to respond to our sort of giving it a responsibility that it isn’t supposed to have in so my point in bringing that up because it really speaks to how Humanity in its worst manifestations affects the world around us even those energies we would go to to seek help to get out of our worst manifestations you know so that should put a raise people’s red flag and there are there awareness of we don’t really have the luxury to be as messed up as we want to be for as long as we want to be taking as many lifetimes as we want to learn how to be a good human we really need to get with the program so that’s my little subjects there but the point of technology is what I what I realized after these calls with Kelly and I are the podcast with Charlie I thought oh wait a minute Christina you are in relationship with the spirit of technology in a bigger and bigger way in your life and in your work as weird as that is given that all of your work is Shamanism you need to get right with your in your relationship with the spirit of Technology and as I was getting ready to do the first online class I really saw clearly up our object for the spirit of technology and each of my classes We Begin by acknowledging the spirit of technology and asking it to support us but also asking it to grow up with us asking it to come it’s a young or our current technology that you and I are specifically talking about technology like a hammer or a Wheel Technologies electronic mostly computer-based internet-based Technologies is a relatively new and so they’re kind of Adolescent and they don’t really know if you think about it as a spirit it doesn’t really know who it is yet and that if we could come to it intentionally and with you know real Spears love and our heart and help to to grow it up as we might grow up a adolescent child with incredible power and really ask the spirit of technology to work with us to find out how it takes its place in the web of life as something that supports the web of life now we are not very good at that either right we’re kind of a pain in the existence of the web of life right now on the planet and it pretty big way and so in a sense we both need to grow up humanity and Technology need to grow up to understand how to how to take their rightful place in that Web of Life in a way that supports all life and I think technology could do that you’re back to me puts me in this really hopeful place of creativity and possibility and I think well how can I be involved in doing that and it in it puts me in a much better relationship with technology than a place I can get into very easily which is wanting to throw it across the room that’s not a very healthy mature relationship you want to throw things he is really recognizing that we aren’t just like guns right we are not talking about the thing itself being the problem but what we are doing with it the relationship that we are in with it is it another platform for us to express our power irresponsibly or is it an opportunity for me to express my power with responsibility alright well thank you so much for that discourse in I tend to agree and I really like that you were bringing the word Spirit to it a lot of people who would consider that to be or to new age or something would would cringe at the notion of or even people who are within the more sort of stereotypically spiritual and if things would say all know Tech is so lifeless and Solace and but really it’s a it’s an expression of human creativity so it’s almost like that that sort of semantic game of is anything unnatural because it came from nature kind of a thing so so I do from a domestic perspective I appreciate we can’t I mean it would be I think pretty foolish to deny that there are spiritual energies and intelligences around all of our inventions and if it’s not just the embodiment for the imbuing of that person’s intention into something that is to put his that is not no longer biological or if it’s kind of also something you’re saying about I mean what I’m seeing just thinking about it is that we’re creating all of our actions thoughts dreams inventions Technologies they’re creating some sort of dynamic relationship with the Unseen World and they’re the living astral plane and so we may be creating these certainly if these tickets if some of these social media apps are causing extreme unprecedented levels of teen suicide than there are entities that are crowding around these opportunities to hack and mess with and opportunistically take advantage of these new reached astral bodies if you will I don’t know if that’s so if you want to go in that direction but I think it would be great to talk more about this Dynamic interplay that you’re touching on between how we it’s not just like this that we are totally separate from the other side or the Ethereal plane but they’re actually were in a dynamic with them and we may be altering them and pull them anyway so those are my words but I love to hear what you have to say that continue that thread interesting when people in their spiritual lives in basically commit the same errors that they would accuse you know academics are politicians of making but because it’s in the service of their spirituality somehow it’s not a problem that I don’t have spirit I don’t I don’t know there was any human being who does know like that so interesting ly what is it called human-centric which always gives us in trouble I think there’s a really funny moment in a podcast with David Franklin Farkas on that he has a guest and he’s talking about working with space he does a lot of work with space and space clearing and he was talking about really just how he discovered that everything has spirit and he cuz he was of the same mind that certain things didn’t but he really discovered as he did works at that was really kind of a foolish and naive perspective and she has this really funny thing about talking to the spirit of a microwave oven because he’s responding about the qualities of that Spirit you go yeah that’s a microwave that’s not a puppy you know anyway so my point about all of this is that we really need to be aware of the nature of our relationships with things so first for example to understand that designers of apps for our phones that. The operating principle is you want to design an app that is the first thing a person does when they wake up and the last thing they do when they go to bed and it feels you know the time in between okay that’s like creating a designer drug and I don’t mean a drug for shamanic you know spiritual experience I mean a drug to get people hooked so you make money and so part the thing about using these things is we need to be educated intelligent consumers me to have healthy boundaries as we need to have with all other advertising me in and the problem with being a kid using these things is they’re not there yet and so we as the adults need to figure out how are we managing that role in the lives of our children which I already just now I’m rolling my eyes because there’s a whole lot about our role as adults that we’re not managing in the lives of our children are not even supervised anymore University doing a training and University students from all over the world it was really exciting environment to be in and out at mealtime the kids tended to sit with their friends from their own country and whatever training programme Rihanna whatever and was very interesting to see the difference culturally with these kids that were mostly like High school-age kids and their phones are certain cultures no funds on the table everybody’s talking and laughing and you know just this side of a food fight and you know enjoying each other and then other cultures wherever it was absolutely everybody is on their phone just eating the mindlessly eating and looking at what’s on your phone I was very culturally specific sad but also really interesting to realize that there are places in the world that are way healthier than we are 17 different kinds of coffee you can have in the morning but they don’t have them are just not addicted to them cuz they have different cultural standards but yeah you you’re absolutely right in that you know our kids do learn to do what we do not what we say I am so it’s really hard to enforce some sort of boundaries around your phone use when you’re on your phone at dinner too turn in restaurant all the time soon as the people who would say that I guess it’s not it’s not you don’t have to be Ted Kaczynski to have a critique of of these things that that everyone can witness and the articles in mainstream obviously magazines and what not and I always just leading up to this conversation I was thinking about how trying to just take myself mentally in a time machine back before there were back before people had this before cell phones are ubiquitous and and I was fully grown at adult before cell phones even the so-called dumb phones where you could barely text message even before that and it was just knew you would someone was home or they weren’t home and so that would determine your plans for the night or if you’re going to do a delivery you’re going to use a Thomas Brothers guide to figure out what you’re going in life was a lot slower and and into some degree I would say more more pleasant and more interconnected and if you wanted to have a good time you had to kind of earn it and work for it and go out and and be forced to go out forced to go find places where people are gathering and sewed I have Nostalgia for that in my lifetime and it’s I guess it’s easy for me to still remember that and have some context on this but even now it says the so-called Millennials or are just the internet natives they say I guess the people who are born into Google and the Google ization of I guess you could call whatever you want but but I feel like it’s it’s almost past say now or it’s cliche to have a to lament maybe not the loss of the golden age before this but certainly lament just the all of the all of the road the increasing in an in an accident on my stuff there’s just so many indicators that are undeniable cisno long is no longer really this contentious debate where you need you know you need to have some extreme radicalism to challenge this stuff but what I what I feel like is missing from from this dialogue is what you would bring as a more shamanic perspective is to what what’s happening if you were to do the cross section of the astral body and the soul and to sort of the United States early to to scare people straight or to shock them although This Bitter from a small degree of a few just a couple few weeks now it’s saying what will this is I feel very violated by my own of all people I should have been I should have known better not to have gotten so sucked into this dysmorphia and his character Distortion of keeping up with the Joneses at a pace that’s just impossible to and you just start to merge with this this device and then you were living in this augmented reality of ranking and scoring and everything is a leaderboard and and so anyway you’re taking a step back from that and I’m and I have to think about how did I know better and what should I know about her and how am I going to not fall into that trap again and so I think about how K now that I have this moment of Sanity I want to sort of build in those healthier adaptive strategies and have more of a sensitivity to what it feels like when you’re being manipulated by your own your own neurochemistry right and that’s just on the the sort of physical print out playing but it but you would want to talk more about Soul loss and what your conception of how the soul Parts get caught up in our cycle dramas in their sexual dramas in in our personality ego structures and just what what you would see from that lends as his what’s happening in America in transition a bit to to what you’re what you’re experiencing if you have to a people away from their their phones when you’re trying to teach them in a class or if you have people coming to you for for care and counseling and and healing who are in mashed and some in this sort of digital Fabric and how it’s affecting their at them at the soul level I think that are important relative what you’re asking the the simpler one in a sense would be you know how do I manage that technology with my students because I do I can think of two students right now absolutely speed Wizards taking their notes on their phone when I can barely read my phone at my age and and in really complex and wonderful ways and that supports their process and so part of that piece is okay here are students to understand they need to not be connected to the internet while they’re doing this but they can certainly use this as a means by which they’re going to take their notes and track what’s going on and that I have to be as a teacher not annoyed by that but they also have to not annoy me by having it make sounds having finding seen that they’re not really listening to me they’re really checking their Facebook page that was that person wouldn’t get a second chance for me to stop like if you were in my class checking your Facebook page instead of paying attention when people write you need to leave cuz you’re not remotely mature enough to be that you can’t not check your Facebook page for 4 hours some people just had a heart attack just so you know if water is the people who just heard that and when they thought they imagined for hours without checking Facebook back to your heart of I think the piece that you’re the missing here is people that have no boundaries with this tool none whatsoever and so this is why this matters mean we can go into it from that way but that’s kind of a long walk let’s take a short pass the short path is this we need to put ourselves in the context of our purpose of our souls reason for being here and to do things in our life that allow us to express our actual reason for being here is what fills our life with meaning and purpose so there is nothing else not on your phone not on Facebook not there is no other substitute not drugs not not relationships not anything that will substitute you bringing yourself into context with your Soul’s purpose and so to the extent that technology just becomes one other way you’re avoiding doing that or Worse creating a false idea that you are your only making the Contemporary issue worse because this is already a huge contemporary issue for people to be able to track who they are and why they’re here now part of that is because they come to their young adults were already in a state of Soul loss and for many many people there so lost does have a certain relationship with their why they’re their purpose and why they’re here so so to been moved from a place that’s already estate of so lost into these false versions of connection of intimacy of intimacy with yourself of trying to find your soul purpose out there by clicking on the surveys and things on the internet all of that is just an ongoing sofa tray and so part of understanding the damage that is being done by the technology is not anything new in the sense that it’s just one more profoundly addictive and distracting way the Contemporary people avoid the personal work required to come to right relationship with their soul and then to maintain that right relationship as a guide in what they choose to do with their lives and their many Millennials who would go look lady I am working three jobs just to try to pay a ridiculously high rent and my phone bill and pay for my marijuana and you know he’s other things that are considered necessary for contemporary life like well I understand that that doesn’t change the fact that you are a soul who chose to inkarnate at this time so these are the challenges that you are choosing to have to deal with just as I chose that is a mile and the fact that the world kind of sucks is not an excuse to not deal with the ways the world sucks and the way that gives you a possibility to either be diverted from your soul purpose or you use the world around you as the raw material to get to your soul purpose and so and so’s purpose isn’t about follow your bliss and have a happy life Soul Purpose is a really challenging way of life that is cultivated but the reason to bother is that it does have deeply Soul satisfying meaning and purpose it makes it gives us a life in which we feel still that’s a human being and we believe that we’ve matter and that’s really what we want and that’s a really challenging thing to create in our Contemporary American world at this time because the culture around you is not encouraging that you do that and even many of the spiritual practices that you would think would be encouraging you to do that or actually encouraging you to follow their rules and to bypass that deep work that would bring you to your own personal uniqueness and unique genius and maybe not be so willing to follow along so the problem with the aspect of Technology you’re talking about is that it’s a light out of context you’re not in contacts with your own soul purpose I would never post anything about as deeply intimate as my sole purpose work on any of the social media platforms is totally inappropriate nobody would so it’s not helping me so so think about it like Google is kind of a wonderful thing it’s wonderful to be able to get pieces of information when you need them as long as it’s accurate which is another issue okay but that information is completely out of context and into the meaning of information changes relative to its context so the meaning of you as a person in the world changes relative to your contacts in your proximity to your Soul’s purpose and so again these activities any addiction drives us away from our purpose because we’re repeating that thing that were addicted to instead of getting at the uniqueness and the innovation of our actual Soul Purpose and so this the piece of the technology that you’re talking about right now create this false idea and for those people that are young and naive and don’t have parents actually modeling something different they don’t even necessarily know it’s a false idea that’s Rudy’s online groups and online activities in all of this stuff that there’s somehow going to create a true sense of the things I have meaning and value to their heart and my experience is that the things that have meaning and value to my heart are not found outside of that context of me as an embodied human in my heart I need to be in the world I need to be connected to people need to be connected to the energies around me and Technology as one of those energies but it can’t take over and spill all of my my porch if you will for connection to other things if it it can’t it can’t be my sole interface with other things unless we’re talking about someone who has some sort of challenge in their life so that technology is literally the only connection to other things right but that’s all she does let some people who would otherwise not be able to connect to connect but really what we’re talking about is people that are addicted to their technology that are not in a relationship with technology and so what is doing then is taking people that are already arriving in their young adult life in a state of Soul Los usually estate of really poor energy body hygiene and worse than that not very clear idea about what is actually going on here energetically as a person in the world and is sold as a lot of huge misinformation and all of that Googling around and traipsing about the internet there’s a lot of really bad as in really inaccurate information and so people are arriving at that place with with scads of bad information around them inaccurate information around them with no skills no ability to discern and then engaging in these platforms that take them even further from their Center and further from the truth and so it’s certainly not helping but it’s also taking that passion that we have in our twenties to find our purpose and do what we have what has real meaning to our heart it burns that passion out so it’s not so much that I see people necessarily more fragmented because of it it’s more that I see people’s fire to do anything about it being frazzled and burned out that I see their focus dispersed that I see there Lerner that’s trying to learn and understand what’s really going on here completely distorted with Vault ideas and really toxic understanding of what it is to be here as a spirit in the world of sleep kind of simple easy to do but simple that’s more my sense is that that via the information we get from these platforms and our engagement in these platforms our own energy structure and our desire and our heartfelt Focus all of these inner qualities that in the past would just in the past what would happen if someone would just go I keep falling into this pattern let me see the heater that can help me deal with this find Charmin get Soul retrieval get Soul Park Bark in a great stop falling into the pattern closer to Soul Purpose mean it was a pretty simple you know here in the physical world action and now people get on really convoluted Pathways before they make it to my door and they’ve done so much greater damage to themselves following those Pathways energetically I mean what I want to make steering is not so much more so long is because there’s already a ton of so lost when I’m experiencing is people who are creating mental illness that they don’t actually have that’s more what I see I’m energetic and mental mental emotional going from a place of mental and emotional discomfort which is pretty typical for someone who’s 18 19 20 years old in America to a place of where they’ve actually gone through mental and wellness mental emotional and wellness into a state of mental illness that they’re now getting Pharmaceuticals for Why does adding a whole nother level of distraction from Center and I’m not carte blanche saying Pharmaceuticals are bad when I’m talking about is someone who’s created the state of mental illness simply through their use of technology that they don’t really have and so now they’re getting these really strong chemicals into their body and into their brain really for no reason because they aren’t actually the kind of person who has a biochemical reason for those right you know this is something just came up for me as you’re talking about this really this all kids close to home in a lot of ways and I’m trying to think about how this conversation with people who are growing up now in this Ambience of internet-connected devices in Google information and all of the all these platforms were talking about and someone said not too long ago, where I heard this but it was it was kind of like every generation is going to have this resistance by the old curmudgeons you know who say back in my day and I was like this it was harder you had to work harder to do XYZ and now it’s easier because it Technologies to your spoiled and then there’s this sort of bitterness going both ways about you don’t you’re imposing these outdated values on me and you don’t get it and then so something that was kind of a record point of reconciliation between the generations that I heard recently was just this notion of where ya at people’s parents said the same thing about comic books when comic books were distracting us from their homework and they’re so perfect that whatever it was and it makes me even think about will the the juxtaposition between literacy and the printing press and literacy and how that would allow them to think about the whole some good old days of women read romance novels and boys stereotypically gendered Etc reading comic books and and the sort of what I would like to say well with a healthier template would be a slower data stream coming through Reading text where you would do no just have you wouldn’t have 50 books and magazines that you were you were relentlessly swapping to actually make an analogy you would have to for the amount of data streams you would have to be having a million TV channels and a hundred bucks a hundred magazines and a bunch of conference calls and things that you were just tapping through that was that was a novice a possible in my area of growing up and and there was just a more protected. Of pre-internet books and magazines and and social events that you would physically have to go out to and you could only do that maybe once once a couple times a week and so you know I’m just looking at this sort of what what are the essential patterns that that kind of are recursive throughout time and have a sort of cyclical pattern going on and in something that that hit me just now as a member there was a point where I remember clearly where I was at a birthday gift was someone took me out to the Wilderness on a hike of a mountain and I was so glued to video games at that time even their primitive state what we would consider very primitive now it was in they say this about pornography to they say that the therapist are saying that it’s a quote supra-normal or supernormal experience that you set a standard to and then being intimate with a real life human being doesn’t cut it for you because you’re you’re nervous system is so jacked up on these these completely artificially induced levels of chemistry that you couldn’t experience otherwise known as being generated by this computer interface so you know for me I remember how disappointed I was when I was going to be almost dragged out into nature to go on a hike and how absolutely DeLand dead and boring and even lifeless that experience was and how how betrayed I felt that that I would have to have section non-adventurous in an exciting experience and and it was all because I would just have rather have been sitting there playing a video game when I was getting spiked with all these I’m killing someone I’m being killed I’m maker not making some sort of digital gold value and I’m all of these buttons of teen pushed and I’m just at a rate that was that was unprecedented and so this virtual I guess it’s the virtualization of of the things that motivate our nervous system pleasure and seeking pleasure avoiding pain and whatnot and and another plastic came to me was just this this idea of whenever I whenever I’ve looked at the Tabloid covers of you know the Tabloid news stands in the aisles at the supermarket throughout my entire life I just felt this toxic losing Force this presents won’t talk about a spirit of something and I just could feel it and it was never and it was obviously Bogus Basin the fake block Ness monster stuff and then all of the drama and it was so over-the-top hype that it was easy to resist that I can never felt compelled to his to get sucked into that vortex but now that I see you it’s happened really is that everybody has made this like a tabloid ization of every individual and there’s an endless market for it and just this monstrosity it’s feeding on everybody the same impulse that you would have had to open up that tabloid is now you aren’t you have become the Tabloid and you want the more attention you get onto your digital tabloid Persona online and all these different platforms there more validation you’re getting and it’s just as it’s just Nick seems to be like you said about the designer drugs are just manipulating these low-hanging fruit aspects of our lower self that was more of just a rant you know something to put on a fit if you have I don’t wait around here and there well actually I want you to go back to the first part of that that you said about the idea that it’s cyclical and every generation thinks you know the younger generation looks ridiculous in their passion or whatever like that I mean obviously at the same time there is science behind how visual images and training ourselves through Visual images is actually affecting our minds that there’s so where the difference between the generations is this meat to this programming the brain to the repetition of visual images and we start talking about something different entirely and it’s not even just a different kind of fruit it’s like the difference between fruit and a tank and so they’re there is a study and I can’t pull out the actual specifics about where someone could go Google it right now maybe someone could go find it and tell me they found it so I can do that but basically in the study they were looking at the kill rate in World War II versus the kill rate of Vietnam and they found that in World War II that the honest truth was that most soldiers would rather take someone prisoner than kill them and so the kill rate was very low like 20% or something and that wasn’t acceptable for Vietnam they wanted to figure out how to train soldiers to go for a higher kill rate and what they found were was training them through a visual interface which is of course the technology that preceded video games and so basically when people are playing you know violent video games that are teaching them to not to override their natural instinct to not show people or things will never have I ever the game is that you’re basically being train your natural human instinct is being trained out of you to be a better killer and to not hesitate and that actually they change the kill rate for family through that training and Vietnam just something like 70% or 80% in the numbers which is frightening and at the same time you also had guys that went to Vietnam that I said look I don’t care what you do I don’t care about a dishonorable discharge get me out of this situation and send me back home so part of it is this really understanding that there was a conscious there were many conscious choices made that created a change between in a world war kind of way of going about live and Vietnam and our lives since Vietnam and learnt so the same thing is true then operating with porn and how has you were saying it’s training is it’s this visual training that is different from just looking at still pictures the different engagement in our brain it affects our brain differently and and partly another version of this another aspect of study around this is with children who are placed in front of videos instead of red tube instead of being read to sorry he’s my grammar here and that when a child is listening to a story they’re developing the part of their brain that imagines and visualize is in creates the the picture then go with the story that the person is reading but they find that children that are raised by being given pictures so raised on video so the end screen so the screens are being given to that pictures are being given to them they don’t have to develop their imagination okay so from a shamanic perspective this is going to be our downfall perhaps it already is being our downfall because our relationship with the invisible World operates through our brain’s capacity to access its imagination and then how did the spirit world essentially use the imagination to tell us things just the same way we all do when we dream at night and that imaginary dream world is telling us things sometimes things are not really very useful but sometimes but the point is from a shamanic perspective my ability to have a reliable relationship with spirit is driven entirely by my ability to open up my imaginary sense as much as usual but to open up my sensory body to an imaginary experience which then has meaning when it’s interpreted accurately that gives that’s how I gained guidance in my life is how I find a full part of how I know what to do in my own life it’s how I need a program that is going to be able to initiate teenage kids and fix that problem in our culture all of that is created because I have this ability to work in this whole creative relationship with spirit that is absolutely dependent on the part of my brain that imagines show to choose to not develop that part of your brain not develop that part of your children’s brain to allow it to be fed images and not ever develop the capacity to imagine means when that child is a young adult and is trying to imagine a better future they can’t do it they literally can’t do it because they haven’t developed the part of the brain that can imagine anything that they haven’t seen said to them so that aspect the visual aspect of the technology is really problematic and it’s why you get more likes when you post a picture with your posts because we gravitate to these pictures but they’re their eye candy and two even in working in this is how we spell the Visionary state in Shamanism it’s not purely visual the eyes are very easy to trip also and so it’s really about bringing your full Century body into these experiences but if I’ve been having images fed to me my whole sensory body can just be lazy if the soundtrack and the everything is just coming at me the images soundtrack all that I’m I’m not engage my sensory body isn’t engaged my ability to imagine a better future isn’t engaged so all of these qualities that are absolutely essential to living a fulfilling spiritual life are being dead are the visual piece and so in that sense of all it’s just like comic books well not really it isn’t it’s actually highly problematic and so one of the most important things for parents and many of 2013 old people our parents is that you understand this and you make different choices raising your kids the mermaid with you and that you understand that there is a serious effect delete deleterious to having children’s brains raised by video well I just had a a rash of chills when you got to that that point and I think that is probably be beyond the desired effect of what I was looking to create with the designer drug of this podcast switch with two to really address in and treat these issues but that study that you brought in with with the I mean the exit I should say I’m like I’m going to make a note to include this link in the show notes one of the most endearing films of my childhood was the I think we just called toys with Robin Williams and LL Cool J so worried I want to respect your time we’re we covered a lot here and I thank you so much again for for delivering more than I even expected and I think that was the the most potent way to to kind of wine this down with some some real practical advice about about monitoring what we all take in visually I guess I want to ask you now if with whatever time you have left to talk a bit about what you might see as some strategies for I mean lyrics I would say it’s just a simple as well just go out in nature but I was maybe 8 9 10 years old when that didn’t work for me and that was way before the level of sophistication with stick with this with these games and mass jol would go out and play in the woods and I still would do it for its and what not but but it was losing its appeal and so it’s not as simple as you’re saying turn your phone off and go to a yoga retreat or something there’s going to have to be other other steps taken and and you’re very very pragmatic I don’t know I wouldn’t say you’re really kind of you’re grounded you’re not to move about your precious to these things I’m just wondering if you if you have thought about it or if you’re working on something maybe you will develop some sort of some techno fast tree protocol or something but today just curious if you want to end on that some things that are that may help us get out of this this digital quicksand but I offer people would I consider the fundamental step out of that quicksand in an online class that I believe is absolutely essential if people are going to make the shift and be able to come into kind of a into a responsible it kind of relationship with technology that is response all that is powerful but is responsible and I people have to get their however they’re going to get there but I think the idea of just not engaging with it that feast-or-famine has its problem because they were not growing up the spirit of Technology right and while we’re over here trying to not engage with it it’s taking over the world right it was people teaching it to not grow up so I think that part of it is to figure out who do you want to be engaging with technology where where are your boundaries and end-to-end to make some clear decisions on uphold those decisions but mostly I really want to encourage people especially people that are in this I can’t remember what you said was an interesting name of the generation of being raised on the internet but anyway what I really want to encourage people to do is to understand that you read about joy and satisfaction in becoming subversive become a subversive who is Unser do so and if you can do that in your life to become subversive and recognize that you are being completely seduced into being a consumer that’s all that’s going on and that’s so expensive you should be horribly offended by that and want to subvert that system so I really encourage you all this find that inner trickster irrevocably person who wants to subvert A system that thinks so little of you and your unique genius but it just wants to turn you into a shopper it just wants you to consume he wants you to buy the next phone the next app it just sees you as a consumer and be offended by that to become subversive and in that to become unsecured small which means you can engage with whatever you choose to engage with within the boundaries that you set and that relationship of healthy relationships with it whether it’s sex or drugs or technology or whatever and and really draw what is good and true and beautiful and things out of them and not get lost in the swamp and so that would be my my thing as y’all are young you know become beings and change the world it needs to be changed so that’s what I would say Bravo of all that sounds almost tearing up hearing those words didn’t really that’s that’s why I got into punk rock and that’s why I’m still out there trying to to rock the boat however he can and that why we’re having this conversation and yeah this the spirit of wildness will will live on in and again thank you for for just balancing this as well nnn we’re not going to have an effect on the trajectory of this of this technology Technologies if we withdraw and Retreat and lamented in in the in a Shack in the woods yeah we will keep doing our best here will thank you Christina so much yeah I look forward to the next time and it’s really always it’s a blessing to have you share your insights and I will just again recommend that folks please check out why Shamanism Now podcast there will be links here and that you have any other links or anything you want to talk about promotions or anything coming up you want to share we want to find classes there at last mask Center. Org okay and that’s also where to go to get to go why Shamanism now for the podcast directly or so much I had a great time and again look forward to the next time and you have a great and wonderful rest of your evening please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is the seeming and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Contra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Futurizing the Public Policy of Sex Work with Devika the Techy Tantrika TPP183

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In this episode I’m joined again by dear friend and tantric comrade Devika the Techy Tantrika for a discussion about the future of public policy for sex workers, sex educators, sex technologists, and more. We explore our mutual fascination for the study of how sexuality is regulated by policy makers who seem to have decreasing interest in consulting with the populations their laws affect the most. An emergent property of our convo is the fleshing out of a sort of verbal white paper outlining the problems we’re facing in the sex industry and the innovative solutions that are rapidly evolving in the sex tech space.

Check out our first episode for more info on her personal backstory:

https://tantrapunk.com/open-source-intimacy-with-devika-the-techy-tantrika-tpp131/

About Devika:

Devika J. Singh/The Techy Tantrika is a Tantric Sex and Self-Relationship Coach as well as a Performess. Her diverse creative endeavours as well as her views on holistic sex, intimacy, self-relationship and self-care have culminated into the one-on-one online coaching practice she has today. Devika’s unique take on traditional and Neo-Tantric practices along with her continuous dedication to providing commentary on tech trends that affect the way we date and intimately connect shine through in her YouTube video series where she provides Tantric sex and dating advice to her audience.

You can find Devika’s YouTube sex+dating advice video series at youtube.com/thetechytantrika

Follow her Instagram at:
http://www.instagram.com/thetechytantrika

You can also find out more about her coaching practice and writing at devika-singh.com

Topics we discuss include:

  • the future of age verification regulation and innovations in blockchain tech
  • the hyper regulation of fosta/sesta
  • https://www.woodhullfoundation.org/
  • statistics of harm reduction in decriminalized sex industries
  • how criminalization of websites pushes sex workers back into the hands of pimps
  • the risks to sex workers increasing as regulations take away online reputation and client vetting systems
  • with more rights, sex workers can build more resilient safety nets
  • law enforcement is actually disempowered by fosta/sesta as they no longer have a places to gather evidence and conduct investigations
  • lessons from Nevada and Amsterdam sex work policy
  • December 17th International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project USA
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project Los Angeles
  • Sex work as a layer in the “software stack” that is modern civilization
  • the need for tantra corporate retreats to better facilitate the intelligent flow of sexual energy for increase productivity and team building
  • sex workers do God’s work
  • involuntary celebates Vice article
  • how sex workers prevent violence by providing much needed sexual outlets for those who’s sexually needs are unmet in relationships
  • the value of polyamory community to open public discourse on alternative relationship models
  • the importance of consent and how healthy sex industries facilitate consent best practices
  • the agility of technology and the slow rate of change in government sectors
  • the need for tantra instructors to have the same protections and freedoms as spiritual and religious leaders
  • how those in the sex industry have to live double lives and hide their sexual identity to fit into mainstream society, maintain or apply for jobs, etc.
  • how current systems are outdated and barbaric
  • how open-source and peer-to-peer technologies are creating new dimensions of freedom and empowerment
  • the libertarian sentiment: “stater’s gonna state”
  • Caligula’s regulation and taxation of brothels in ancient Rome
  • the potential for technology to prevent insurrectionary street battles with police such as in the origins of the gay rights movement and the Stonewall Riots
  • the need for tech savy sexuality educators, service providers and policy makers in the Nevada blockchain city
  • crypto billionaries building crypto social infrastructure in Puetro Rico
  • the Silicon Valley of Crypto in Zug, Switzerland
  • Joe Lubin’s sex positive attitude towards Ameen Soliemani and SpankChain
  • the sexual economics of the wild west and the evolution of brothels
  • how sex workers have generated the revenue for municipal projects, public works, and civil services in gold rush town
  • the progressive sex work policies in Australia
  • the tragic irony of how sexual health has evolved, and public policy around sex work has devolved
  • advocating for natural birth control methods beyond the rhythm method
  • revitalizing ancient sexual health wisdom and practices
  • how sex workers are better qualified to teach sex ed and safer sex
  • the history of witch trials and burning
  • the demonization of midwives for empowering women to have sexual and reproductive sovereignty
  • the often unexamined and unacknowledged negative side effects of birth control pills
  • ancient yogini cults of India and the rebellion of tantric witches in India
  • how marginalized women such as widows, prostitutes, and those who’ve escaped abusive relationships are a force to be reckoned with when they organize and band together
  • differences between neo-tantra and classical tantra
  • how 2019 will be the year of the sex witch
  • yoni steam baths with Steamy Chick
  • how midwives often become referees in hospital birthing situations where mother’s are mistreated and misinformed
  • the power of women in crypto and blockchain
  • the women of crypto track at the crypto invest summit
  • the southern california blockchain community and Blockchain Beach meet up
  • financial feminism in the crypto space
  • the hypocrisy of law maker sex buyers who legislate against sex workers
  • reverse doxing
  • the Ashley Madison hack
  • the notion that high profile clients should give back to support the decriminalization, unionization, health benefits, and other rights and amenities for sex workers
  • the notion of the techno shaman and their roles and responsibilities in protecting and defending the global cyber village
  • if good people don’t master tech, only the bad people will
  • future visions for goddess temples where sex is earned through meaningful local service to the women and the health of their families and their full life cycles
  • the political economy of making love not war and how throughout history love has been suppressed to create less attached soldiers
  • the under-representation of women in tech and computer science
  • the depressing statistics on venture funding and C-level employment for females
  • how a world with more balanced access to funding and corporate authority is as yet unimaginable, but we anticipate it to be much healthier, more beautiful, safe, and equitable, most importantly for sex workers and the sex trade

 

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 184 I’m being joined by Alejandra Aguilar and she is the health educator an HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and we sort of met at a recent sex workers Outreach project event on December 17th which was the international day to end violence against sex workers and there was a beautiful creative artistic kind of community building event that was held there and that was the first time I had visited the East last night Women’s Center and I was very thrilled to know that that the place exists and of the great work they’re doing there and Alejandra was hosting the event through the space and has some really powerful and moving things to say about the work that she does in support of women’s health in and sexuality health and education and so I was very moved and thought I’d reach out and see if she like to tell us a bit more about her personal background and about what the great works that are offered at the center there so I’ll a hundred thank you so much for joining me looking forward to hearing more about your story thank you thank you Ben and thank you for inviting me to be part of this podcast so as you mention my name is HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and yeah I recalled that for a little over 42 years and one of the things that we always want to let people know is that this is a place where women silence is hurt for the community has their silence and so we decided to open up our space so that sex workers and their allies and come in and and have a safe place to meet and so I have been working in the field of HIV for in reproductive health for a little over 14 years and you know when I arrive to this country when I was 8 years old and one of the reasons why I’m very passionate about advocating for Women Health is because specially for the health and well-being and the needs of let me know is because many times Latinas specially Latinos who are aware of the services that might be out there to support them and so one of my one of my reasons for being an ally in in the the support of sex workers is to be able to avoid the needs of women especially one of the things that I did was I was a child care provider even though I was a child myself I used to babysit that the children of many sex workers women who were immigrants who worked up at sex workers and so I got to see a lot of the needs that a lot of the new show of the women and definitely a lot of them are children and so you know as I was getting older I decided to to look into this route of being of service to to the community by advocating for the needs of your penis growing up I got to see how special immigrant women for sexual abuse that shows fault interpersonal violence and definitely sexual explotation and when I started working at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center I thought this is perfect I get to work for an organization that is aligned with my beliefs and here I am 14 years into providing Services Organization advocating for the woman’s name well that is so powerful and thank you so much for sharing that and specially about your personal background ATS really moving to me I know that there that there is a lot of really strong feminist history and in feminist movement history around women sexual health and and support services and also and sort of sort of vaguely aware of different tensions that there have been within the feminist movement around 7 is sewer or not as supportive of sex workers or of women who were involved in the adult industry and some some who maybe are more supportive some curious if you have had to navigate any of those those politics within the women within the women’s movement about the sort of taboo subjective of the sex industry not necessarily you know I am very fortunate to be in this organization I’m very fortunate to have a strong network of providers that believe in advocating for everyone and when we say everyone it means every single person regardless of what they’re definitely here at the women’s center we do not see people for what they do we see them for who they are and so when we see when we see you know a sex worker we see them for who they are first and foremost a human being have to keep for them or what you would like and definitely no I haven’t encountered any of that it does not mean that it’s not the doesn’t accept them pretty sure there’s so many people that have encounter with you but I myself have not I’m really glad to hear that because I got that Vibe definitely that there was no judgment and no no sort of distance or or or judgment you about about that because it is so it is so much a part of life and people want to ignore it or people want to just hiding from it but it’s it’s a real serious issues I appreciate it very much that that you hold that space and and I want to thank you for doing that so if you could help us understand a bit about what the the most vital needs are of those those women who are doing work in the sex industry what are some of the things that people should know about as far as what they face on a daily basis and even ways that that people who are maybe just wanting to support them where are they they want to be allies how they can also be supportive but would definitely I cannot speak for everyone but I can’t I am able to speak for those who I have been fortunate and humble enough to provide services doing these are the Immigrant Latinos who work in the bars on the country has most of the time you asked about their needs what their needs are definitely there’s a lot of me to to provide them with resources resources and when I say resources what kinds of resources and support that they need to let them know about the right and to let them know that if they have been abused molested in any way that there is are places that can help them if they need just a space where they can just feel safe that there’s such a space about what we hope to who provides many of the women that we service the well-being overall well-being we are always concerned about their health their physical health or emotional health because we know that it can take a toll on their health specially those who work at night all we know that is if it can be difficult for them to to take care of that their help because the majority of them are also mothers and because they are mothers you know many times Latinas put the needs of their own meat how can I say it they put their needs before the needs of anyone else and they last one but they’re nice and so I want to advocate for them we also want to let them know that they have rights we hope to educate them about the right within the women that we service some of them are hiv-positive and so will support them we support them by providing resources for their help for them so that they can receive the services well thank you very much again for doing that work in something that I that I have been made very much aware of by my association with women who who would be considered those very strong feminist critique of the patriarchal economic structures and just the way capitalism works and how how this Empire is really built on on its own built on the backs of immigrant labor and and and from what you’re saying it’s also built on the bodies of the sex workers who who serve a lot of different types of male laborers and I’m wondering what if you care to share from your personal perspective what are some observations are inside sore or strong feelings you may have around what the what the role of men who may be there maybe they are sex buyers or maybe they are temps or maybe they are you know what and then you can any level of that economy do you ever have the opportunity to to Enlighten them or two to help them become more active in doing the support work for the for the women or what what is your feeling about the men who are just kind of you don’t hear a lot about the John’s or the Pimp C male a male and get you component we are thinking by myself a big advocate for making change in our communities mobilizing one of the one of the things that I do is when I am able to speak to groups of men and provide them with information writing with resources to do is to let them would like for them specially if they are consumers of the services of the women who are sex workers Michael is for them not to think of the women as object to know that there’s a story behind them that there that these women might have gone through many struggles am I making sense yes this is amazing I love to hear it to hear more about it cuz I feel like it’s so lacking it’s so lacking in that people actually try to educate them and whether it’s about using condoms or or being just mine. I’m being respectful this is Range Community and to use their voice to Advocate from them as well to use whatever privilege they have as meant to protect them to advocate for them that’s definitely one one of our pools and one of the things that we hope to accomplish is for for men to go beyond those gender roles that they are putting the moment they are born we want them to understand that they can break out of that box I agree with you yes wow so if that that thank you so much for sharing those insights that they’re really really touches my my heart and soul because I feel like I’m as myself as a sex worker myself I’ve been mistreated and abused and certainly I would have loved for the very wealthy the wealth of the wealthier of my clients to to be giving back and supporting nonprofit organizations that actually create a better life and more resources 400 why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t you give back to to like a trade Association it was helping you have a good experience in helping you get your needs met so hopefully yeah I’m excited to hear about what you’re doing over the other people will do that kind of Outreach as well so if we could talk a bit about the I feel like it’s it would be important to give some context for people listening to this what what the scope of sexual assault really looks like from your perspective you’re really seeing and I again am I feel very honored to speak with you knowing that you’re you’ve chosen to be putting yourself in a position to have so much exposure and really be very empathetic and very compassionate towards people who are in times of Crisis and some of the the most extreme trauma and current crisis so you could help to sensitize the listeners of this podcast to do some what it what is sort of typical cycle is when you have someone to say come in for services who is in trauma or crisis and in kind of what whatever is appropriate you know for you to share but that I think would be good for us to understand that means we started in 1976 and actually disorganization begin you know it was first bilingual confidential 24 hour 7 days a week crisis hotline to be able to service and provide support to survivors of sexual assault what we do is we have a hotline and call if they have just been assaulted molested or phrase taking cold even if it happened many years ago in another country we provide supporting the support looks something like this we we do Hospital accompany me to go to the hospital to provide support to the Survivor of rape and we’re able to see people all ages for survivors from a baby to someone well over the age of 90 we see that again we see them for who they are we see them as human beings Survivor and we are basically there to support them we allow them to have a safe safe space to come in and speak support when and if they’re ready mix someone is ready and they would like to come in and receive support we can provide them with counseling therapy and again we never tell them what to do we are there in their healing journey in the journey to heal I said we’re walking hand-in-hand with them so where’s that the healing path and soul Moana singing about in 2016 I remember in 2016 we provided services to over 10,000 women and children on the hotline movie about 2,200 called so we’re pretty busy if ever since that Open Door hotline has never closed and twice a year would provide training for people to become sexual assault advocate so that they can help survivors they can do hospital but also so that they get the keys for the needs of survivors important so after all of this exposure that you and your colleagues and peers with organization in and near the community of people that you’re connected with her your allies in Von forcement in the justice system and that the hospital system and the the sword I guess there’s also the social services and Family Services sectors of thumb of the county and in local local governments I’m curious if you could talk about some of the powder and some of the insides whatever you’ve been able to kind of a phone some conclusions you may have arrived at just about to the patterns of abuse and where you feel like the most effective interventions can occur on the preventative side of this issue how to do there’s definitely a lot to do but we definitely one of our one of them nothing’s that needs to happen to be able to to end sexual assault and domestic violence definitely HIV we need to end violence against women and homophobia swell we definitely know that if we end violence against women we end homophobia we are very well and then into the HIV epidemic we are definitely going to see Alright by very much agree with that and tell me what comes to mind from me for my personal experience in for my studies and I love to hear what you had what you would have to stay from your perspective Which is far more I would say far from a highly developed than mine because of the position that you that you’ve taken up and and I would say with what are your thoughts on the you mentioned machismo that’s something that I’m interested to hear more about what what that where that comes from and what you would how you would advise people to deconstruct that that sort of some aspect of violence in and then also alcohol and Andrew role that you feel that plays or substance abuse and how that feeds into the violence well it’s definitely a collaborative effort of everyone social service providers to law enforcement to every single every single person has a responsibility to an hour in one of the things we have are you aware of basically the women from targeted community wengage and Outreach and education and what they do is they increase awareness of sexual assault and resources and domestic violence victims and their families but they also bring awareness and so one of the things that that we have here in our organization in mind you all women that can be women that are actively working a sex workers women for HIV positive Housewives just about anyone and they go through this training where they learn about their culture how their cultural experiences shape their identity with a lot of focus on the Latino cultures and Value Inn in the experiences that they might have had growing up and still one of the things that we encourage them don’t is to look at what what are the values of culture that contribute in a positive way to to have better communities to to make them feel safe right it in to make a change in the world and to keep those we encourage them to look at the one that can be toxic that can be done that perpetuate and we encourage them to to look at both and decide which ones they want to keep which ones they want to transmit to other generation so we start with that beautiful well thank you for doing that as well in I’m curious if we could go to the next question which is the just to the prevalence of alcohol and domestic violence I think is pretty well well known that a lot of sexual assault and violence happened in in circumstances that are sort of fueled by drunkenness and I’m curious if you have thoughts on to substance abuse and alcoholism and how that how that affects the work that you do and the the the women that you support but we do know that it art again you know what we need people were there as we don’t we do not follow up a model of trauma-informed that means we are not going to shame people if they have issues with substance abuse know we can help them try to get to the root of why they’re they’re using or why they’re drinking rice I can tell you definitely my perspective from what I saw growing now I can tell you that issues with alcoholism are very prevalent with the with the women who work in the bar and the emptiness sex workers because that is part of their work in order to make a living they have to drink with the client and so many women that start working in the barn and the emptiness when they start working in the bar on the time peanut they have never you know in their life they have never had a drink but once they start working out of their job it’s how they make that living and some many of them develop alcoholism that’s one of the things that I saw and so you know if you if you asked to do it that many have a history of abuse or trauma that it don’t even know that they have this history of abuser, they don’t even know what to name those feeling you know very bad idea that depression you have a very difficult situation for for the person you know when one of these again that I hate that I was able to see I was able to see because of the lack of support and empowerment and resources available to this woman I saw in a bunch of this day I still seen any of them Works who no longer work in the calendar because there was no support there was no one to assist them teach them how to how to make a budget how to save the money or even how to invest some of them and not only that but a lot of them ended up with issues of alcohol yeah I hear you and that actually comes at least to my next question really which is about what you see as some of the the positive outcomes and the I would say to be clear I don’t believe that it’s wrong to be a sex worker ever see for myself I die in the part of the six work industry so there are some people would say well you just need to go to church and you need to quit the lifestyle and and and you need to leave it all behind you which I’m not I’m not here to say is this is right or wrong but but I will I will say that I’m very interested in what what 6 I think about the concept of a success story or someone who has overcome substance abuse or alcoholism in if they choose to remain active in the sex industry but I from a healthier place or if they choose to move beyond that I’m curious what you what are some of the pathways that you have facilitated or witnessed of of women who have become really empowered either is former sex workers or or or sort of sex workers in recovery what are some of the success stories that you would say that you’ve been a part of each other’s privacy and confidentiality if I can tell you that there’s this particular woman who is what after she became involved and after she was able to gather with other women saw other women like herself all about the right person for most of the human bean learn that there is nothing to be ashamed of learn to speak remind learn to Advocate Parker cell I was able to see an amazing transformation this is a person who now is able to speak up for herself this is someone who is able to negotiate pay for sex which I think it’s amazing to see this is someone who if she feels that someone is making her feel ashamed because of what she does she’s able to speak up she doesn’t know her head as she used to be for not just that but her priority priority priority herself above anything else in that include making better decisions when it comes to drinking that our decisions for her mean eating what you drink tea not not drinking as much as she used to before that you will forget to take her medication doesn’t make sense that is In N safety she she has been able to say she now has a savings account which is tremendous you know because now she’s planning or for the years I had to fight absolutely well I’ll take you out to other women beautiful well that’s that’s very good to hear and thank you again for doing that and just maybe a couple few more questions one will be going back to the the other half of the equation which is the the male role in and all of this into client role so I sounds like you’re yeah you have a lot of experience working with women who were in that that culture of the bar and cantina world and so like you said that there will be drinking is just part of the job and I’m curious if you if you could reach into the heart and soul of the the male clients and understand where they’re coming from and if they would maybe intergenerational trauma or or personal issues that they may be dealing with in and if we were to make if we were to all be working together to create more empowered and more conscious and then we’re healthy men and male clients and then maybe they would maybe this sounds ridiculous I guess but but I would love to see a world where where sex work is is legal and where people clients and and and service providers could meet up at a healthy juice bar or something or like a farmers market or something you know where it’s it’s not always in the context of of alcohol and that kind of sort of sector and so I’m just curious if when you think about this and when you work in this in this world if you do you have any advice for four men who are just maybe this sort of their kind of being set up or something I don’t know why I don’t know what you how you feel about just the whole the nature of that in of that that world of the the bar scene in the all that wouldn’t be able to provide education you know when I go out and we have those messages that week we share with with menopause sensitive to have healthy relationships with all the people in their life okay and do would you say while we’re on the topic of the Mennonite and I appreciate it and it sounds like what needs to happen is that more more men need to step up and organize and do Outreach it’s you already sounds like you’re already very your hands are full working with women and it sounds like that would be good for more men to anybody listening who has that the resources or the means to to do more Outreach Two Men and hopefully that will that will happen and I would say I just want another question just while we’re on the topic is if you if you feel like there is do you feel like a lot of the men who are of War buying the sexual services at women are they are they not really functional in their in their their own marriages that are on family life and are they I guess I don’t know like I said the other is there anything you can say about about the profile or the sort of in the attitude or the State of Mind of the mail client server or are they just a lot of single man to hoodoo don’t have a wife and that therefore they had they feel like they have to get through the day but with a beer you know with getting some drinks and inviting some sex and again there is so much so much change that needs to happen in one of them against the things that I be all that needs to happen from what I saw you know growing up in a very traditional community at 8 I was born in Mexico and I grew up in the town I was very religious it was okay for men to go to a bar in to go to La Cantina to look to spend some time with women right because many of them felt have to ask for certain things from their wives or their girlfriends was disrespectful and so they grew up thinking that the women that worked in the bar in the Campina where it was okay to have certain things of them right certain sexual things or even just to drink with them right again that idea that the women that worked in the casino or less than the women that are at home but that should not be the case that we can community that there’s this idea that yeah I’m going to go to the bar I’m going to go to the one with her right or she will be willing to deliver for a Spur to do and I cannot ask my wife to do that because she’s a good wife or she’s a good woman or she’s going to get offended if I ask her to do certain things when it might be very well that her wife at home or at home is wishing he will do those things with her because of how she grew up in this box that she was playing through gender role that don’t ask for something sexual well your violence violence that that if you are a good wife you would not dare ask for any of that and so that’s one of the things that I’m very passionate about teaching women again we let you know when it’s okay to to look for pleasure it’s okay to have conversations with your partner about certain things it’s okay to explore as long as you are both okay in the end it’s okay to look for a relationship with someone who is not going to feel threatened if you ask for certain things for your own pleasure well that is really powerful and I appreciate you saying that that really means a lot that really helps me understand a lot better and I hope I hope we can move towards that and and I appreciate the work you’re doing to create that space to explore and understand and and change the is paradigm so you’re so another question I have for you which is kind of this kind of extraordinary but I like to I like to do you know what some people call a thought experiment where you just think about what obviously you have you have some budgetary constraints and you have people power constraints but if you and your team or your colleagues the people you work within your organization if you somehow we’re blessed with the resources and the even just to say you won the lottery or something absurd like that but it was just say you had you had really almost Limitless potential or and Empower even politically to say okay this is all of this is all of the wisdom that we have and these are the proposals that we have and and if you just had what what you need to talk about investment and whatnot so if there was a if there was a venture capital firm that says we really think what you’re doing is important and we feel like that there is a benefit to society to have you you all have more resources and really if you if you had almost Limitless budget what are some of the things that you would do to to accelerate and grow and expand you know your services in certainly how I mean I would love to see since having been to the place you know your location I would love to see myself I would love to see you have more more acreage you no more land and something like the weirdest El Centro Farm was there some place where you can have Community Gardens in actual herbal Gardens in and healing natural areas and places for meeting that we’re outside and there were also safe and also had security so that’s just kind of what comes to my mind but I’m curious what you would do or what you would sort of dream up if you had almost no limits to what you can imagine wow there’s so much that we will definitely do love I can tell you that with a bigger budget we will definitely be able to since we will not have waiting list for four clients to to enrolled into into a program but definitely one thing will be to to increase to provide more support for the women that are hiv-positive because of budget I’m talking about financial support very limited women are always left behind and yet they’re the ones that love to see more help women’s health programs that are more sex-positive that are inclusive of sexual trauma Empower women to advocate for their sexual health definitely expand more men’s healing talking circles where they can wear the men pink and strengthen the relationship that we would love to see that but definitely if there was no monetary restrictions more more a healing circles or for women where they can talk about their health advocate for the health including their sexual health awesome thank you so much for sharing and I’m hoping that all of your dreams will come true you’re suddenly during such important and if I don’t work in the community and so yeah I wish you absolutely the best moving forward and hopefully yeah we’ll see each other again and then more more collaboration will happen that will be mutually supportive within our communities do you have any closing words you’d like to share and then also do you want to share the website URLs and any other links or any other ways to connect that would be great bilingual 24-hour hotline anyone can reach this hotline 24/7 the number is 800 5856 231 once again is 800-585-6231 and our website is www.ladwp.com org once again is so absolutely yes sir I appreciate it’s been an honor and do you have any last closing words you like to say is just a call to action or or things that you feel like if if people knew in NC could hear this voice than they would they would they would want to step up and and I guess it was before we say that you are a 501 c 3 charitable non-profit so donations are tax-deductible am I correct that we are especially in need of support because we have the only shelter in the mission where people can can go if they have just been sexually assaulted or if they have just landed on the hospital and they’re afraid to go back home or back to where the perpetrator or abuser is and we definitely need a lot of support for that our women’s HIV program a lot of sports comidas up with some sort of supporting in the dollar if you can share our website with others or even our Facebook page elawc please go ahead and do so we will be very grateful thank you so much Alejandro I think that was a really good introduction to all of the the work you’re doing and I hope that’s a lots of good things come from this and hopefully we will have meet again and and maybe we can follow up again and have you back on sometime in the future talk about some new developments and hopefully there’s there will be a lot more a lot more great things happening in the future so thank you again for your time and we’ll be in touch okay bye bye thank you for listening to the touch of Honey Pot www.entrepreneur.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temple in every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Open Source Spirituality and the Tantra of Crypto with Vin Armani TPP180

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In this episode I’m joined again by Vin Armani for a sort of time-capsule of contemplative discourse on open source spirituality and the tantra of crypto.

About Vin:
Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

Please visit:
http://vinarmani.com/
https://cointext.io/en/
https://countermarkets.com/

We discuss:

  • the fundamental value and use case of Bitcoin
  • why volatility and speculation are natural and inherent features of the digital currency game theory
  • how the best and worst archetypes of heroes and villains and the fine line between them get revealed in the unfolding of the dynamics of crypto markets, scammers, hustlers, etc.
  • the greening of bitcoin mining operations
  • the localized crypto-economics of New Hampshire
  • efficiency and innovation in the evolution of technology
  • unimaginable innovations on the horizon in the developing world
  • glory and fate of malicious and poorly thought out initial coin offering projects
  • insights from successes in the entertainment industry
  • the energy that drives tech innovations, that drove Satoshi
  • bitcoin as an emergent property of a deeper energy
  • how people get shaken out by bubbles and crashes
  • thinking of losses as an admission fee to get on the ride
  • mapping the shifting financial times on to the cycles of change in Vedic cosmology
  • Alex Winter’s documentary on blockchain: The Trust Machine
  • How we’re lucky to have won first wave of Crypto Wars
  • Darth Vader as the ego taking full possession and the dialectics of good and evil
  • holding on to fantasy narratives while crypto is an imaginary good
  • watching a play on stage, studying the archetypes
  • not everybody knows there’s in a play, but are drawn to be a character in it
  • staying awake, self examination, and choosing which character to take on
  • Why you have to have an Allan Watts’ concept of the “necessary villain” to have an epic narrative
  • Craig Wright as Darth Vader, a one in a million character
  • Anyone can be involved in this global technological hero’s journey
  • Not succumbing to the seduction of hatred
  • The macho posturing within bitcoin forks
  • Why Roger Ver deserves appreciation
  • The folly of fighting over the name of the real bitcoin
  • Surrendering to the feminine evolving nature of bitcoin
  • Osho’s thoughts on letting go of the pressure to be consistent with your past thoughts, opinions, and conclusions
  • Star Wars as a modern tantric scripture
  • Ancient tantra as an open source spiritual technology movement resisting closed-source patriarchy priest craft orthodoxy
  • bitcoin as the immaculate inception
  • the perils of bitcoin maximalism
  • the business development ethics of cointext.io
  • the SEC and the nanny state vs financial sovereignty
  • intelligent investment 101
  • lottery and casinos as legal unsophisticated investment schemes
  • the merits of crypto crowd source funding via ICOs in micro loans in developing nations
  • how few ICO projects were serious about building projects
  • due diligence and educated investing happening through market forces without the influence of the state
  • how k-12 financial education would put the whole government out of business
  • fear is the path to the dark side
  • The ERC20 Ethereum token protocol and it’s founders reflections and projections for a better version
  • Craig Wright becoming the toadie of the bully state with threats of litigation
  • How healthier bitcoin forks should take on their own branding and avoid fundamentalism
  • technological darwinism and the need to audit the code that rules your life
  • cultural advantages that ripple through generations, communities that burned their trash during the black plague
  • the economics of market niches and how their ramifications
  • cyberpunk prophecies of the multicultural techno-futuristic landscape that we’re in now
  • hardening yourself against cyber fascism with the Interplanetary file system
  • lessons from Jameson Lopp getting “Swatted”
  • putting together an IPFS node with an sd card, raspberry pi, ipfs node, linux
  • Juan Bennett and the forthcoming utility of FileCoin, as opposed to proof of work, it’s proof of storage similar to proof of stake, staking bandwidth and storage
  • the power of storing and serving files as hashes

Launching an App to Provide On-Demand Sex, Dating, and Relationship Coaching with Brianna Rader TPP161

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In this episode I’m proud to feature sex tech entrepreneur Brianna Rader to share about her journey of launching an app to provide on-demand sex, dating, and relationship coaching. She reached out to me for an interview and I feel honored to be able to use this podcast platform to promote for-profit enterprises that are in alignment with my mission.

About Brianna:
Brianna Rader is the Founder and CEO of Juicebox, an app that provides 1-on-1 sex, dating, and relationship coaching anonymously. She has worked in sex education for 6 years and started her career providing sex education to college students in the state of Tennessee. Her first experience was quite controversial–leading to the state defunding her organization and legally condemning her. She received an MSc. in Global Health from UC-San Francisco.

Link to app. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/juicebox-intimacy-dating/id1086096282?mt=8

Link to website. https://www.juiceboxit.com/

In the episode we discuss:

  • how the app is helping people with issues such as erectile dysfunction, how to ask women out, how to have better orgasms, how to reconcile differing libido in couple relationships
  • her personal journey, being deprived of adequate sex education
  •  her growing up in conservative Tennessee
  • being told to wait until marriage to learn about sex in the absence of sexuality education
  • in college she started local organization to provide sex ed to students, it was controversial and drew rapid backlash
  • the state got involved, defunded her organization, and passed a bill legally
    condemning it
  • this battle got her on the Bill O’Reilly show (watch video here: https://content.jwplatform.com/players/nMeWACUA-zffGtjRq.html
  •  despite the backlash she felt support for the organization, students loved it, some professors were very supportive, events were successful, but the state was a barrier
  • they had to fund raise all the money back, but were able to do so within 36 hours, states from far away sent donations to allow the program to continue operating
  • she knew the public policy route would be a decades long battle
  • tech seemed to be solution to help more people faster
  • she’s a first time entrepreneur with the Juice Box app, it pairs people one-on-one with sex,  dating,  and relationship coaches anonymously
  • coaches can cost $200 an hour and maybe far away, the app provides on-demand access that’s in your pocket at all times via your phone
  • she shares about the workflow of going from concept to development and deployment
  • first app was for teens and young adults, she saw that a lot of adults using the first version and the current version is more taylored to adults
  • I ask about the process of navigating regulator compliance regarding privacy, age verification, etc.
  • we talk about sex tech challenges for sales, marketing and advertising in a conservative online environment
  • there’s a disparity in male sex products vs female due to inherent gender bias
  • erectile dysfunction ads approved, dating coaching ads weren’t because of mildly revealing women pictures
  • a combination of humans and algorithm for policy flagging so there are inconsistencies
  • we discuss the app user experience, first the user is asked a series of questions to help with finding the best matching coach for their needs
  • coaches are hand selected
  • user can message the coach as much as they want, the coach will always get back within 24 hours
  • it provides interactive guides and exercises
  • it provides automated scripts to help practice better strategies for intimate communication
  • I ask about the economics of the app ecosystem
  • client pays $24 per week
  • 70% of the revenue goes to the coach
  • its flexible for the coaches, they can answer on their own time
  • about the half the coaches are licensed therapists, some are PHDs, some are certified through AASECT, the association of sexuality educators, counselors, and therapists
    https://www.aasect.org/
  • how the economics of ecosystem works
  • coaches get vetted with a written application (https://juiceboxit.typeform.com/to/WJwaGE), phone interviews, chat simulation
  • recent success stories include, helping to healing erectile dsyfunction led to helping uncover and resolve deeper relationship issues and enhancing communication in relationship, improving couples sex lives’ in various ways, helping women have their first orgasm ever, helping people with advanced skills or techniques
  • affiliate program is open for bloggers, podcasters, etc to get their own coupon code
  • on the topic of the disparity in venture funding for female founded startups
  • there’s very little funding to women, even less to women in sex tech
  • so much money to be made in the new markets for sex tech, but investors are afraid of the sex taboo
  • one creepy weird investor said her physical presentation didn’t match the sex appeal of the product
  • women in sex tech is supportive industry group (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/nyregion/women-of-sex-tech-unite.html)
  • we discuss a hopeful vision of the future horizon
  • hopefully more funding enters the space
  • we need more diversity and women founding in the first place
  • the women already founding deserve support
  • a study came out, if investors invested equally in womens’ existing start ups, they would have made an additional $85 million
  • male founded startups get over twice as much
  • hopefully there will be more venture funds focused on women in sex tech
  • we discuss the development road map
  • the current product has been live for a couple months
  • I imagine the potential sex ed advice market probably bigger than spoon feeding porn to consumers, more life time customer value than piping porn into eyeballs
  • on market research, it’s a new market, not a lot of companies providing this kind of resource
  • it’s possible to compare to the therapy and sex toy market to see how much people are spending
  • it’s hard to say directly, how much its worth
  • the online dating market didn’t exist until recently, it could be a $3 billion market
  • I propose the possibility of future sex tech apps facilitating training and certification course ware modules to upgrade the sexuality IQ of the general population
  • she thinks its an interesting idea but would need research to see if people would embrace it, other sex tech apps have launched with good intentions but haven’t always had an easy time with adoption

Balancing Wellness and Technology with Crypto Commentator Dr. Stephanie Murphy TPP157

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In this episode I’m am joined by Stephanie Murphy, PhD who is one of my most highly regarded wisdom keepers in the crypto space. While catching up on the complete archive of the several year running Let’s Talk Bitcoin podcast I was vaguely aware that there was a sex and science show on their network but didn’t,  until recently discover that Stephanie is a co-host. The moment I learned of this I felt a ray of divine light beam down as I realized that we’re both sex podcasters and therefore it would be appropriate for me to reach out and invite her to be a guest on the show. I often feel that the edgy and adult nature of my podcast limits the range of potential guests, in this case I felt so blessed that we could share common ground.

The work she has done in the crypto space is so empowering and her compassionate fury for true personal and financial liberty has seriously changed my life.  I highly recommend exploring her offerings and enjoying her voice in all of the various formats its packaged in.

Our discussion covers:

  • her personal life journey leading to her prominent role as a crypto commentator.
  • the role of yoga, meditation, and wellness in her life and her works
  • her experience of and thoughts on toxic masculinity and toxic patterns of conflict in the crypto space
  • the need for more holistic approaches to conflict resolution in technology communities in general
  • the historic human dramas that have caused forks in the bitcoin blockchain
  • practical down-to-earth strategies for the average non-techy person to get into crypto without relying on centralized third parties
  • the need for careful and well tested approaches to sex industry use cases for crypto
  • and much more!

About Stephanie
Stephanie Murphy, PhD, is a professional voice actor with numerous credits, including national commercials, videos, and audiobook titles. She is formerly a biochemist. She can also be heard as a host of the podcasts Sex & Science HourLet’s Talk Bitcoin, and Sovryn Tech.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin I love your beloved book from the time for fun podcast episode number 157 I am probably going to die I don’t think I’ve ever been this Starstruck before with the guests because I’ve become a huge fan of Doctor Stephanie Murphy she is a doctor about chemistry co host of Let’s Talk Bitcoin podcast and the sex and science hour is also a professional voice actress but she will probably mad at you will probably assume Our Guest by the way when you go to speak and to give a bit of background he right for anyone who his listen to the last I guess almost a year worth of podcast episode will notice that I have taken a pretty obsessive interest in the cryptocurrency space because to me it’s the Fulfillment of so many broken and Lost Dreams within my camps behind this movement to see a really successful model and come out that is accessible and and has utility and is actually destructive on all and all levels of society and so it’s really is forced me to go back in time and I’ll do my best to catch up on this to stay informed and to be really current with this Revolution and in doing so I really dug to go to myself I listen to the entire Archive of the podcast that is trying to become aware of all this stuff and I’ve all the people in in the movement that I have been studying so deeply really anthropologically studying and understanding the different tribalism Xin subcultures within it and really it’s the the women and more Empower leadership roles like Stephanie that I I really appreciate coming from obviously that the goddess worshiping Divine country background in knowing how so many of these male ego whether it’s Warlords or pimps are gangsters are Bitcoin Bros or just that these these people at the top of the crypto pyramid who are who are really running the show with really toxic nail energy that’s not you know we’re fine by a lot of things that that I talked about her that we talked about on this show it’s always a blessing to connect with those women who are outspoken feminist outspoken libertarian or anarchists store or Dion labels is probably better way to go ultimately but I can’t express how grateful I am to have this privilege to speak with Stephanie Murphy right now so please tell us all about yourself and I’m so curious can I call these nuts for it’s because you really wear a lot of hats in and it’s all very impressive High then will thank you so much for small for having me on your show I was super excited when I got your email when you reached out to me I think you found out about what I was doing on let’s talk Bitcoin the podcast I’ve been a part of for five years when we recently did a live event in Chicago for our 5 year anniversary and we did a live performance of our show which was like a total dream come true for me so yeah I’m just really glad to connect and don’t die if you if you do start to I’ll do CPR on you yeah me breathe breathe through the Stars technician school in an MD program for a couple of years I didn’t end up finishing because I I made a career change and I sort of picked a different path but I guess that’s sort of start it starts off you know a little bit more about myself a little more detail about myself I’m very interested in health and medicine but I guess what I realized over my time and in medical school was that I’m interested in Wellness more so and like I don’t think that Western medicine but you know it there’s a lot of great things about Western medicine but it’s not so good at addressing like how to be well and like real with genuine well-being and for that I think we have to turn two things more like yoga and ayurveda in like maybe Chinese medicine and other modalities that are different from what we think of in the west which is really a new kind of medicine that’s only been around for a couple hundred years and it’s better at treating those kind of emergency situations rather than teaching how to people how to really be well or like radiantly healthy from the inside out so I guess I guess I’ve always had an interest in that in that kind of holistic Wellness I do a lot of yoga and meditation and as you mentioned I’m a voice actor and I’ve never dated some guided meditations I married some books about meditation yoga practice is part of my life I try to integrate that mindset into everything that I do and so it’s been an interesting because you know how did I get involved in cryptocurrency right trying to live a mindful kind of life you know you think those two things don’t exactly go together and you’re right they don’t the cryptocurrency world is so fast-paced and it does have this as you mentioned like a very masculine kind of energy and dynamic to it and so like how did I end up in there I still don’t exactly know but you know it’s just always been fascinating to me I I heard about Bitcoin on the radio on in 2011 or or maybe early 2012 and I started reading about it I was fascinated by it I was sort of interested also in like libertarian spaces or communities as well and that was something that a lot of those cut those people were talking about with cryptocurrency so I found it really interesting that Bitcoin at the time and then all kinds of cryptocurrency lyrics would allow you to have more agency in more control over your own money which money in this world is a tool that allows you to do things and it’s it’s represents power in a lot of ways sent it to its empowerment and I need to look at that from a negative way like it enforces power structures and oppresses people or you can look at it if there’s another way of looking at it looking at it to which is that money is it is a tool that enables freedom and living in a lot of ways and so how can we have more control over it in our own lives and how can we think about it in a way that empowers us as individuals and I really felt like Bitcoin did that and that was what was so exciting about it to me from the very beginning so I got really interested in Bitcoin early on if you my friends at the time we’re also experimenting with Bitcoin like some people’s friends are like experimenting with drugs my friends were experimenting with Bitcoin remember like somebody you know someone cooking like sandwiches and people were buying sandwiches with like physical cuz H’s Bitcoins which at the time were worth like one or two dollars are like $6 if you were trading these like little because they should coins around people were giving each other tips in Bitcoin to their podcast in like 2012 even into a little bit into like early 2013 are there was the first Bitcoin ATM that was built by a company called Lama Su which I think still makes Bitcoin ATMs are there really more like vending machines not really an ATM but like you can put cash in and you get Bitcoins out onto your phone well yeah I got the opportunity to use like the first one of those that was ever ever on the market and so that was really cool I just just watching that happen and watching people use Bitcoin in a lot of different real life ways and experiment with all the new apps and Technologies and see how that change people’s attitudes about me and their lives and how it like opened up more options to do things that people couldn’t do before with it so yeah that was all really interesting to me about Bitcoin as I mentioned I have a medical background and I also was involved with a group called free Aid which was kind of like a not really like I guess maybe I could be compared to sort of like an anarchist black cross kind of thing it was like a like a volunteer all volunteer medical medically skilled people providing kind of first aid at like festivals and events basically that’s what that’s what the group did and also education about about CPR and AED and how to use an AED defibrillator in case somebody has a cardiac arrest because time is of the essence when that happens and you don’t want to rely on First Responders you can’t rely on First Responders always to get there super fast sometimes you have to just find your community and the people people that are around you and I really like that idea of you know the community kind of selling in support when First Responders couldn’t always be around so yeah but it’s so the free Aid was doing that kind of education and also providing volunteer first aid at festivals and events which allowed us to go to festivals and his head was fun but yeah we found out about Bitcoin really early we started getting donations in Bitcoin and we became like one of the first organizations that decided to kind of run a nonprofit type of organization entirely on bitcoin and that was in I think she’s a thousand thirteen was only made that switch so that was an interesting experience as well I’m trying to run sort of a decentralized organization with Bitcoin and you know provide first aid and be a part of a community and contribute back cryptocurrency so now I feel like I’m going off on tangents and rambling but this is all just a sort of still people in on my my own background and like my interest and stuff like that all the things were yammy stacking them up together at once for me and seeing you has so many high highly developed skills and values and points of connection to that title is in the whole survivalist movement in the whole Wilderness survival S&P Plumbing the Yeah Yeah Yeahs that I guess like to go back even further I am I’m not a computer scientist you know my background is in Life Science & environmental medicine the medicine side of things and I’m also really interested in in Psychology and sort of mental well-being and wellness stuff like that spent a lot of time reading about how can have Wellness in our minds as well as our bodies and of course it’s all connected the mind in the body are are inseparable as far as I’m concerned and they affect one another let’s see I so I’m not a computer scientist and I’m not really like a like a cypherpunk but I was something you said before resonated with me as well cuz I I used to get you know I was really interested in like punk rock and likes to sort of the whole do-it-yourself kind of ethic of punk rock and music of course and I think that really influenced me to be interested in cryptocurrency because like again do it yourself it gives you power over it allows you to kind of be your own bank and not rely on other people to manage your money for you which I just think is really really cool and that DIY DIY as a kind of came in with with with free Aid to is like you know helping on a community level rather than relying on other centralized organizations to always be the successor to be dependent on them you know what I said before if I if you don’t mind is for second. I’ve got it before I forget now that you mention this I was just at the the crypto invest Summit in LA and I’m not showing anything but this project was amazing that give a presentation and they they pissed this project called Guardian where they’re actually doing decentralized Medical Response on a blockchain so that there can be rapid deployment of trained Personnel that would be able to receive compensation for their their Works without relying on a nine-one-one system which doesn’t exist in whatever percentage of the world and Haven to talk about doing something like motorcycle Medics and I can only imagine how that’s going to be a completely Global decentralized blockchain kind of 911 service that in franchises in employees your neighbors email incentivizes they’re being medics self trainer or yeah and I can’t get up. Please continue thing yeah okay so well you know with an interest in health and well-being and yoga and stuff like that I guess inevitably comes in interest in sexuality in Psychology to of course sexuality in relationships and part of the okay so here’s the story of how I change careers and also where I’m at right now so this is leading up to the present day so while I was in medical school and I was also working towards my PhD in Biochemistry I listen to a lot of advice podcast on the internet you know like Dear Prudence and like Dan Savage and all the popular ones where they talk about relationships and Saxon there’s another podcast you called sex is fun which had a big impact on me I loved it at the time at this like 2006 and 2007 so there weren’t even that many podcasts around this was like before the podcast Gold Rush or whatever or boom time the rent that money podcast on the internet but the ones that were out there were some of them were really really good and entertaining and I got I guess I just got really into the whole world of podcasts and I thought I wouldn’t it be cool if I could do that too and I started a podcast with a friend of mine pretty much as a joke and it was like an advice podcast and at first we were like asking our friends hey like give us a question we can talk about on our podcast and sometimes we we like fabricated question perfect at first but then we actually get started getting people asking us questions and pretty soon we had a an advice podcast that we were doing and if he came so much fun that one day I kind of realized I like doing this better than like what I do for most of the day and most of the week and at that point I sort of knew like okay you know maybe I need to like radically changed my life and do something completely different than the career path that I’m on and so it took me another couple of years to really solidify that choice I was I had a lot of anxiety and fears about like how I was going to make money and like how other people would judge me for for changing careers that way because you know I guess when you go to get Advanced degrees you got a lot of Praise it’s like something that you’re that is considered like a good and like noble thing to do and this quote successful you know by the rest of society and when you don’t follow that model A sometimes you get a little bit of heat and so I was like oh what are people going to think you know if I basically drop out of grad school till I can become a podcaster that sounds ridiculous but it actually wasn’t ridiculous because I figured out that will podcasting may not pay the bills but it’s always going to be a really fun thing to do but I have this parallel skill people always tell me I have a great voice nowadays it’s possible to work from home and be a voice actor on the internet and I learned about I learned about doing voiceover I volunteered to do an audio book project did my first one it was actually your audience might like this it was a book called markets not capitalism and it was about like Market anarchism but you know kind of being skeptical of like the word capitalism in like the traditional like and cap kind of anarcho-capitalist kind of line or philosophy says my first audio books that I volunteer to do and I enjoyed it so much that I said yeah I think I could do that you know for like I could do that all day you know and so I start doing more audiobooks I started doing short commercials that started like writing commercials has started writing via videos and things like that and overtime I just got more and more voice-over gigs also started doing this is an 2013 when I was making the the switch and I’d had a successful podcast for I guess about five years at that point and I was learning the skills of a voiceover kind of self-taught and reading books about it and watching tutorials and things like that taking classes and and yeah I just got into doing voice-over and I made the switch to do a full-time and and then suddenly I had my own business and I wasn’t really working in science anymore I discontinue a little bit with the science stuff because I did end up finishing my PS4 I left I did not finish med school but I did finish my PhD in Biochemistry and so I ended up doing a lot of like scientific and medical technical kinds of voice over and of course cryptocurrency related voice over because I was interested in in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency and I also ended up writing a newsletter for a couple of years for the sense Research Foundation which is like a human life extension kind of private Foundation that funds research on extending human lifespan didn’t audiobook of ending aging as well which was which was by Aubrey de grey who’s the founder of sense so yeah it was I guess it did my interest just sort of dovetailed with each other and I ended up on you know becoming of a full-time voice actor and that’s that’s what I do now I still do a podcast where I talked about relationships and sex on the Internet it’s called sex and science hour and yes I think I will link to it and your shout outs but that’s what I do now that invoice over and audiobooks and of course let’s talk Bitcoin still doing that shows all awesome so can I ask how did you cross paths with Adam and Adam Levine and Andreas Antonopoulos and how did you get the are connected in that The Power Team so that was kind of a serendipitous story so this was right at the time where I was changing careers and I was just starting to get into voice over and one of the services that I offered was writing and producing and voicing a podcast intro for people’s podcasts and a friend of mine who listen to my advice show at the time I told her that Adam was starting a podcast and told Adam hey there’s this lady that makes podcast intros you should have her do a podcast intro for your show and so Adam found me that way and asked me to produce an intro for his show at the time it was not called let’s talk Bitcoin it was called The Daily Bitcoin show and it was it was going to be a Daily Show which is a very ambitious project start producing intro but then the format of the show changed and Adam said no we’re going to go to twice a week and we have to change a brake hose cuz you know he had another co-host that there were some scheduling and time zone difficulties with and so he found Andreas and cuz Andreas was pretty well-known on speaking about Bitcoin on the internet I mean he’s very he’s still like one of the most well-known people in Bitcoin today and he’s awesome and great they both are and so Adam says to me yeah you know like got this guy Andreas we’re going to do a show you do show to your party master and you know about Bitcoin would you like to be on the show and I said yes I would Abba I was available you know because I just kind of change careers in my schedule is kind of open and so we started doing show twice a week and yeah I would it just it just became let’s talk Bitcoin and that’s that’s how the show is born has it has it consumed percentage wise for you personally to be so fully up with all these developments I just imagined that you’d have to be reading white papers in peer-reviewed journals and all these different Reddit subreddits and all the stuff that mean but you all just sort of oranges dancing and juggling all this stuff and then still having a million other fun things you’ve been like for you to be like literally an Oregon digesting this entire space into a talk show is just mind-blowing wow well I guess I guess that’s sort of is why I mentioned at first when we started off talking you know that I tried to like live sort of a mindful life and it is impossible to keep up with all the Bitcoin and cryptocurrency news at first I tried and I spent a lot of time doing it but yeah I mean I do have a business that is related to bitcoin but it’s not all about Bitcoin I don’t really work in the blockchain OR cryptocurrency industry and that’s kind of on purpose because it allows me to keep some distance from it so you know I hear about stories but I don’t hear about every story and I guess between all of us on let’s talk Bitcoin you know we are able to propose topics that look interesting and jump out to us and then we kind of read about them and research them and we talked about them on the show I mean we don’t we don’t over research either because then you know we want to save discussion for the show and we want to like sort of get out and take it apart on the show so yeah we we don’t we don’t even try to like drink from the firehose I guess because it is like drinking from a firehose it’s just really can’t keep up and if you try you’re going to kind of go crazy so yeah I mean like I stay off of a lot of social media I don’t really I never really got that into the Bitcoin forums Reddit or Twitter I know there’s a lot of discussion that goes on in there and I don’t know I just feel like happier kind of not really kind of hanging back from this yeah well then sold some of the things I guess because I listen to everything in such a compressed kind of one episode after another for some times 10 12 hours a day just you know because I have a job I have my day jobs things I can I can be piping and podcast in 4 hours of LA traffic and you know working on landscapes that stuff so I have plenty of opportunity to just go through the whole history and it seems like it’s this is as fascinating of a of a of a science-fiction I mean this is as deep and complex as any Philip K dick Lego Saga and outer space in the future or something it’s so there’s so many different human dramas and in Revelations about power and gender and and it’s just it’s it’s the most thrilling story eventually I’m sure they’ll be plenty of movie screenplays you know written about sociology Stephanie who could have imagined all this stuff so it’s it’s it’s such a thrilling adventure and then again I think you offer for being describes some pretty much different chapters and I’m curious from your perspective and not to tokenize you as a woman but to really honor it what what is the feminine qualities that you that you choose to embody Franklin from your perspective how you have reacted to her process just the that shadow side of masculinity that gets represented as these is basically verbal violence online and all of it are trolling and just the the way that decision-making happens in a very Unholy stick and very kind of in the middle of all that which you know if a lot of a lot of women in a lot of spaces they do say fuck this shit here I’m going to go do my thing that and I think with what style and your co-host on good cleaner certainly a very aware and very I don’t like I think you all are immune from some of those entrance battles and you don’t haven’t taken sides really so that you have enough for me. open up about what it’s like to to have that experience yeah thanks for asking about that and I appreciate that you said right up right away like that you’re not trying to tokenize me as a woman cuz that is something that happens a lot in the space like we get asked to be on panels of like women in Bitcoin and represent quote on quote the female perspective on bitcoin as though there’s one female perspective on anything you know and yeah it isn’t as though it could be like the diversity of women’s experiences could be represented on like a panel of four people being asked questions like what is it like as a woman you know I don’t know I mean that stuff definitely happens I will say that there are a lot of you know there are a lot of people in the Bitcoin space that are that are totally you know welcoming and supportive and don’t make me feel uncomfortable uncomfortable can make me forget that it’s like can be a a sort of a gendered space a times but you know there’s always like some elements that make you remember that there is sort of this unbalanced going on you know for example there were articles going around about like Bitcoin conferences and like some of the entertainment into like the booth babes in the theater having business meetings in strip clubs and things like that and I mean like I always am careful to say in those discussions cuz I really believe this like I support sex workers I’m not saying anything bad about them it but I do think it’s inappropriate to I guess like force a business meeting to be held in an invite like an environment where women are being sexualized and probably wouldn’t feel comfortable attending like a business meeting in that context so you know there’s that I mean yeah it like it is Brandon earlier today there was a gorgeous and I said, we’re in Los Angeles ever look at the sky and you know it is it is sitting at a Mexican restaurant and seen white people everywhere it turned out because it’s kind of like if there is such a thing as middle class in Hollywood now I feel sick from New York City driving I guess it depends on who’s driving I get there in four and a half but all of the food everything I make sense to to be posted up legally in New Hampshire for so many reasons and then I feel like it well we will be I can imagine it I kind of imagined that it would be the Vegas or or like you’re saying but I’m surprised that there isn’t a more of a booming adult Production Studio house industry given that you could it’s it’s bad about sounds like it’s about as far as away is Vegas and everyone fled to Vegas when the the kind of life started taking enforceable effects in the LA County area so that’s a silly question I have for you is it you know if you’ve been following the the regulation around and this sort of the big money the big money clinical groups who are trying to shut down the street on the health but with the health department as a sort of there their battering ram into the industry I’m curious in New Hampshire are they is it is there any specifications from the health department or health code that that are trying to set the rules for the industry for the porn industry there it is it is the Wild Wild West out here we are more people more to join you know start producing they would have to try to regulate it but I don’t know if they would because I really don’t think they would I adhere to the same you know guidelines as as far as testing goes the only difference is I pay to get tested we we provide them with testing we make sure everyone you know we we go through this last we have this very detailed checklist I think it was inspired by Nikki Benz I think it’s called an if possible the only difference is we’re not paying Los Angeles or Las Vegas free small company but you know we talked about splitting, according Talent from Vegas and Los Angeles and you know kind of responsibility regulating type of business you just have to have trust that all people are you know I’m doing the right thing around that is because yeah I think that I think like Outlets sexually here you know I said you know if you will actually liberated place like you know I even thought about you some Leaf peeping directed in the professional studio shoot up or down with your spouse just that sounds like a great guy honestly before you even were saying this stuff I could I was just it was a premonition that you would be talking about this because I I just felt like you were going to probably end up working in some capacity with the Chamber of Commerce of wherever whatever region or whatever sort of municipality or me to Sally’s and actually help that like what you’re you can’t you know you can’t afford your Public Works projects you know your new parks are being closed down for whatever reason well here we got the screws it’s going to be amazing yeah I can see it now and start building and I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now I can of gas its people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I I I want to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I talk to Subway to get a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good it’s the best I feel like you have a lot of love but I like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this is would be a place for people that veteran died literally I mean you know they call it in the adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of you in if you’re not in front of the camera and doing the stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in a note and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping living out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as veterans violence and brutality in Warfare civilians is military yeah that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval of being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performance have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Exploring the Future of Sex Tech with Jenna Owsianik TPP156

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In this episode I’m joined by Jenna Owsianik a sex tech expert who sheds light on a vast array of sectors that have been outside of my reality tunnel. She helps to provide context and optimism for technology in the sexuality space and helps me to overcome some of my deeply rooted luddite technophobia. It was an honor and pleasure to discover and explore new dimensions of sexual futurism and I’m looking forward to having her as a returning guest to keep the tantra punk podcast community informed and operating ahead of the curve in the sex tech space.

Please visit: https://futureofsex.net/future-of-sex-report/

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About Jenna:
Jenna Owsianik is a Canadian sex tech expert. Since 2014 she has been the editor of FutureofSex.net, the world’s leading publication on how technology is changing human sexuality, today and tomorrow. She is the primary author of the Future of Sex Report (2016), which covers state-of-the-art sex technologies and the five major fields driving innovations in intimacy: sex robots, remote sex (teledildonics), immersive adult entertainment, human augmentation, and virtual sex.

A trained journalist with a Masters of Journalism from The University of British Columbia, Jenna’s reporting has appeared on Futurism.com, Al Jazeera English, CTV British Columbia online, CBS Sunday Morning, CBS 60 Minutes, Global News, and CKNW Radio in Canada and the United States. She also holds an Honors BA in Women’s Studies and French from The University of Western Ontario.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin and also a sex tech consultant and she mention my podcast in a post on social media after she heard an interview I did with vehicle and Butler from intimate. I know which is one of my favorite recent episodes where we were able to talk about the future of sex in terms of blockchain cryptocurrency in and all the new opportunities are happening there so I’m very pleased to know that there’s been a no pun intended ripple effect in that that conversation is led to this connection now and I’m really excited to be having this conversation and I’ll just say before we got continued an introduced Jenna is just that I apologize for the the drop in quality and next to the mobile after situation so the museum the application on my phone instead of at my studio so please bear with any of the background noise and quality loss and with that said Jenna would you please tell us all about your history in life and what was you into this fascinating world that you’re playing is this expert consultant set up an interesting journey into the space my background I have an undergraduate degree in women’s studies so I’ve always had an interest in how sex and gender shape human interactions in the ways that culture disability Grace influence people maybe, how how they’re treated and Suboxone has been like a focused me what’s important and being involved in that I I’ve never really loved mainstream representation of women sexuality in particular and out of minority groups that I don’t think the General Lee mainstream media does an even more nuanced way when it comes so you can just like white straight man it’s sort of language has the most negative things about what’s happening but we don’t always hear the positives about Saxon and I think it’s just really important for us to be having Frank and Don scentsationals conversations about sex sex education in engender because you know we’re here most of us because you know somebody had sex but it’s sort of it is not on your podcast but places in outside of the sex tech industry it’s been like oh you can’t really talk about it unless it it’s it’s the Nacogdoches right so that’s been me wanting to get into reporting and journalism regarding sex has to really be able to share some of these positive stories or even push some of the negative topics out there but with more of us solutions-based Focus really highlight different yo so-called alternative sexualities because there’s a lot of people whose voices are missing from a conversation and props their sexual preferences or not so alternative after all we’re just not seeing seeing them in so that’s really will have my passion is gone and gone into it to this it’s sort of funny how I’m working with the future sex now because I used to be a researcher on a show that never took off but it was supposed to be like a documentary series on the history of sex and now it’s always been an area I’m interested in and just always happy to meet new people and hopefully start discussions where we can talk about creating a positive and exclusive sexual future well thank you for sharing that very very well said in that yet Continuum of history and the future hopefully yeah you’ll get to do some coverage of historical material as well and made me think about a really good series by I can’t remember his name right now it’s like one of the guys from Monty Python but he do them a couple of ancient history of sex kind of thumb Adventure very adventurous and very entertaining and comedic expirations and some of the most some of the most potent information and so liberating and healing is is coming from looking at how well the Glory Days if a lot of coaches were people were way more open and and expressed and whatnot so I hope you had a hope you do get to do more stuff as well just while we’re on that topic what was what was some what are some of your interest in the history of before we get into the patterns that you say now in the present history I think about the main focus of the developers of the show in what we were looking at was just type of like Miss busting about sex like everything you thought which I believe is too much of a generalization sort of the push for monogamy in a relationship right now I think things are changing we have this kind of you of you know the nuclear family being always the way it was so it always the way things were and thinking about you know what the past that everyone was announced he’s you know had her sexual care relationships but you know very old artifacts and what not and so that was sort of that was interesting to me because I I’ve always kind of felt like growing up personally it’s always the snow this is what you do as a young lady you do that when you get married to a guy at this age and whatever and that’s how you’re going to be happy but I think you know for everybody is just because that’s what a lot of people do it’s not necessarily the right thing for you or that it’s not culturally created just so that was sort of interesting to me this opening out ideas about maybe the heaviest history isn’t so much what we think it was it’s not so like what it was now but maybe you know there are more sexual acceptance about maybe having a relationship romantic or sexual with someone who wasn’t your monogamous married partner well I totally agree with all that and I’m sure you must be a fan of that book sex at dawn would say yeah big bucks that we were looking at and I think we spoke on the phone to Christopher Ryan to see if that could kind of develop into a show but yeah I agree why but with it was interesting because I was working for a private party entertainment has as a production company at West and they had produced the series called I think you know people interested in Kankakee and it was funny was the the big Co he was saying that you know that show did really well but like 10 years later you didn’t think that if you pitched it would work like doing would have been open to it and maybe that’s why the history of sex didn’t get picked up because you know how fast is our culture is also like a sexual with it and I don’t know why I picked up maybe you know there’s more stuff on the internet if you don’t need cable and I’m yeah it’s interesting to think about the trends in why things like 10 years earlier mine’s been accessible and then kind of 10 years later maybe maybe that’s just too risky Essentia sitting at these patterns and yeah it kind of brings us into now the present we’re really I mean I would love to see something like I’m missing Chris Ryan Christopher Ryan document in documentaries are being interviewed what not end in TED Talks stand and I feel like he breaks it down in such a heartwarming and and validating way for everybody to validate everybody’s was otherwise consider to be sinful you know if you can take a deep sigh of relief even if you are interested in monogamy but I think some people feel really bad sometimes when they’re attracted to somebody who’s not their monogamous partner and I mean that I may just I think it just makes the desire more taboo and more you know forbidden indeed indeed well yeah but I’ve got a couple of thoughts I’ll ask her if you’ll questions way to that that I’ll save for a bit later and I’ll just kind of make a note that there is a dimension of the futurism of sexuality that’s happening through the the global webcamming free live webcam being whole infrastructure that’s exposing and creating space for some of the most elaborate Creative Group sexuality Expressions I’ve ever seen and it’s it’s actually this huge Catalyst to to push all these boundaries towards more queer and Polly normative Behavior anyway I want to see that thought for later we’ll get so get around to it if we have time but that’s something I’m really thrilled about the will let’s let’s talk about you if you would what are some of the now looking at this accelerating technological train ride the roller coaster ride perhaps they were on what do you see now in the modern era the rapidly accelerating kinda techno future area that we’re looking at what are some patterns that you’re observing from your journalism in your research into that that direction of time was he must know cryptocurrency and blockchain it’s like every time I check my email I have a new press release or something from a company that’s trying to launch a token for the sex industry and that’s that’s really appealing I don’t but still it’s still obviously needs to get figure it out and I think that everyone should listen to your on episode with Leah Colin Butler Illuminating discussion about blockchain people performers are people maybe who are entrepreneurs trying to. You know their money get paid and you know keep privacy so you working sex tech or something or your sex worker or something to do something sort of related to sex it can be real big problem to open a bank account to keep it open without it being closed because they think something you’re doing is you know unsavory late or very sex negative and then of course there’s issues with privacy and safety and so I’m there’s just a lot of folks out there who are excited to think that in your blockchains a way to make it so there’s ways of paying people that’s outside of the mainstream where they can’t shut it down and I’m hopefully being able to to protect privacy as well so that that’s really interesting and exciting cryptocurrency and blockchain so I wonder how it’s going to hear from now I’m very keen to know what all these tokens around or going to be doing cuz there’s just so many and then what’s also come out more is I’m seeing more virtual reality sex games with outperformers their likeness inside so we have like stars like KCl there and yeah so basically I think what they do is that the most part they wear motion-capture suits and their likenesses recorder than the different facial expressions and then they get put inside video games and so can others as they can send it to this is what how they have their IP to have their you know digital duplicate used I think that’s really interesting because he how you can say that with someone without reformers but that could also be applied to two maybe you know of your own personal fantasy or maybe a long distance relationship where you’re able tags immersive sexual experiences that that seem real with people who like to be intimate with bite me you’re not able to just because he know they don’t exist but it’s interesting how it’s it’s it’s it’s been something that I like literally that I don’t understand that we’re prography Industries in really trying to do is respond to the yard so hopefully sales and into interactive games to bring back the cash what’s interesting but it also has had some effect source of the muses outside and I’m sure you’ve heard a lot about sex robots was just thinking about that was going to the next thing I would want to ask you about what you’ve got on your status so if you want to talk about sex robots in use might not really tell you is like usually it’s it’s basically an animatronic sex doll that looks like the hydro normative type of thing that’s usually for being treated for straight men there are people who are trying to think of you know all what about people who have different interests on what would women want a sex robot right now what is really in development and on sale are these animatronic life-size love dolls right that right now they’re their bodies don’t move but they may some a heat up some cancer walk in their lips but the the one that looks the best and he let actually gone on sale is I’m from realbotix and so realbotix is a subsidiary of Abyss tree they make real doll and so they finally after a few years of no being in the media and working hard with them some really great roboticist I’m an AI developers they finally released their first generation robotic head it’s pretty cool you should check on YouTube or if you have to just go to robotics. Com it it’s it’s it’s pretty much a safe for work website I mean really cool how the system to kind of change the face on the robotic head is is a sub magnet in Silicon system and look it looks super super realistic and I think the doll is quite the same price I think it might be about 10 grand but if people aren’t interested that they all still has like a knife that’s about $20 a year where it’s like an AI personality. That’s the idea so why I’m saying all this is really exciting it’s just because covering sex robots myself there’s a lot of hype there’s a lot of vapor where a lot of things that is like people just trying to just poor reporting about sex robots because it’s just you know it’s such a sensational topics of the medial pick it up and you know often report things that aren’t true like there’s one Infamous our love is all that I won’t say the name of it but got a lot of press about 10 years ago but yeah it’s it’s never really been questioning people who are following sex robot development have some questions about authenticity so what’s interesting about realbotix from the makers of real doll is that this is like this is sophisticated Robotics and it and it looks fairly realistic and it’s actually on sale it’s not just people talking about an idea that’s real and I mean it’s not Everyone likes the idea of these very like you know Barbie ass love dolls being programmed pre-programmed girlfriends or programs on sex toys of course it’s all so it’s it’s crazy in a way to think that you know we’re able to create very lifelike robots even if it’s just that it’s available this is Wellston yes to stirring up a lot for me because I’m the one the one hand i’m simultaneously the ultimate Luddite and deep ecologists then listen to see everything just dissolve back compost back into the Earth and start fresh but on the other side I have to say that you know the the money that’s breaking the world go around is going into startups in mostly Tech startups in holy spaces so the only the only hope that the the green freak hippie you know if people like me my never have is that we actually just write software that runs on these applications and if you know if we can make a robot girlfriend who teaches you Tasha and then when you have a real relationship you’re actually very well trained and it’s actually more like it’s raining like Marsh the way you would have a martial arts training dummy nobody nobody goes into much their students his look at all these perverse Effigies of humans that you’re punching like what what is I hear you guys are demented it’s like well we honored training and violence by violence Sports in combat but we don’t honor training and sexuality and I think I’d rather have rather have life replicas that actually teach my whole body how to move and hold weight and you know actually engaged in just a flat screen of pouring and they’re basically only touching a mouse and hunched over with bad posture on a computer screen if you compare those two options if there might be some salvation here but I’m not going to endorse anything for sale but I’m very curious about if you could just put in download a script and that script is something actually useful for therapy you know Sex Therapy could download its entire lexicon of techniques and make it psychoanalyze you and be your surrogate and do everything you know that and it could be trained by some of my colleagues to be really a net benefit to prisoners and you know that’s why I’m just breaking off have you ever covered any any any of that sort of what what are some feminists thoughts on on this stuff that are more open-minded I guess myself a feminist maybe if people don’t agree with my phone or go ahead and I don’t know and I think some guys who buy laptops to get a bad rap and it’s not people doing this and said there’s a therapeutic effect that can work you know people have a lot of sexual shame and Trauma right it’s not necessary always easy to talk to someone even if they love you even if you miss you’ll like they like you it’s exposing I’m not saying that we should all just talked to sex robots and that’s going to solve everything people have been seriously traumatized by shame and then you know there is a lot of sexual abuse that unfortunately happens in the world and if there’s a safe way for people to to kind of Express themselves in a non-threatening way and maybe with you know some type of therapeutic software that can kind of disgust or you know maybe anticipate be able to read you write like why why you might be talking in a certain tone or having certain gestures like maybe like something like maybe a therapist but you don’t make me crap like artificial intelligence might be even more better you know what one day and I think that that that That’s so exciting potential and it’s also while in the big giant loved all this is just one one type of sex robot that could be different ones that could really help people who want to explore their own sexuality and aren’t even thinking about that I’m not interested in the physical I’d be more interested in like you know the womanizer sex toy connected with like a super Advanced like Siri you know because it’s like that like the mental and that and there’s probably a pretty vanilla thing. But they know there can be some people with limited Mobility what she knows what will happen with a note to self pleasure and I think there’s people in all age groups will always be buying sex products and then that’s not saying everybody needs to get into the market it’s a great Market it shows that you know people as they age they still want sex but you know Mobility goes down it’s not it’s not like you I miss you and able-bodied and so I think there’s bad and there’s a waste for me exploring desires that you might be afraid of that that maybe are not simple at all like I really am interested in sex world where there’s different players like it’s like second like second life but people go into me and I have sex in it’s like you don’t need your body for that. I mean you either way of interacting with with the computer of course but you can be almost anybody you wanted and you can even try things that maybe you’re too scared of her maybe you really always wanted to do BTS on or he’s just talked to someone of the same sex and you want to have a virtual sex experience but you’re so like you’re worried about some of you like this virtual sex roles has fake almost like their own communities write a sex-positive there’s always see how the internet’s not completely safe place I’ll be asleep but there’s thought I think sometimes when you talk about sex robots are online but you know that but maybe it’s just people who don’t fit into this one way of sexuality that we’ve sort of been taught about at at you know and I like spending current 6. Can be just you know you want to you know sometimes you need to explore to know who you are or just inconsiderate and I think these type of technologies that are emerging are allowing people to express themselves sexually and so that enables people to be fully fully Express chinos on a human level and I think you know obviously is always important and necessary it’s just that there’s there’s a lot of good that can come out of exploring oneself in your kind of suffering up to this I mean at first glance do you know why I feel like all this is just it’s going to create Skynet scenarios perverted perverted Skynet scenario that I like afraid to even though but I’m going to counterbalance that that technophobia with also thinking about just right now as we speak I’m thinking about well how many people how many families and children are killed because drunk drivers on a Friday or Saturday night or are going out to a bar to try to hit on people to try to get laid and it’s like the harm the way that the current. I was like this over instead of being a cyber sex you know psycho sex an astronaut of or cyber not have cyber sex you know instead of that you’re going to have to do it the old-fashioned way which is get drunk and drive drunk to try to get laid at a bar and potentially have anal unwanted children or be spreading diseases or to have consent be blurred so there’s a lot of factors to compare this to us I really hope that when this is really start to roll out that there’s people taking really good doing really good research and and and covering it the way the way that you’ve been what not to be able to have compared the the research and just say hey if this is a way to reduce harm then there might be an advantage that you know just think about how much anything about how much violence and videogames and how much crime and then just Madness it’s been just put out within the video game space and if a fraction of that much of that technology and that funding went into technology that facilitates healthy stuff to sexual exploration and we will see a lot more Innovation and you know it said rather Embrace whatever is going on there then what’s going on with all of the violence in media and video games and you know work all kinds of War gaming of different kinds of things like just even having these conversations right to discuss like no deposit deposited but I think they like what exactly when you use a comparison like we’ll have a positive or how how productive for Humanity of society or other right so yeah any other patterns that your side’s the sex robots like I guess I’m sure you totally covered teledildonics and you know that’s probably something that people haven’t heard is it will be interesting to explore and then besides that any other I like to see their long-distance sex toys so that use haptic feedback so it’s suddenly like Gamers here you know if you have like one of those with these long-distance sex toys they’re meant for people to connect remotely what they do is that they have sensors in them that for I guess I owe you search how to roll sample because that’s where they’re normally marketed even though you can use them in different ways by state like there can be like interactive sex leaves I mean how could you know his number into one and the way that that moves it can affect how maybe and then vice versa and then I know some company mail devices you no work for penis having devices or you know dildos that they might operate with each other as well so there’s that I’m so or we I think it’s really been I think it’s mostly popular among cameras and so it’s we are always interested in focusing on relationships and intimacy so there is the development with tilted Onyx for men those toys are a bit better but no one’s for for you know that women are people who you know might like to try to be happy bodysuits where it’s not just genital to genital contact but you know incorporating different types of really interesting as well so gold Onyx is this is like Infamous tattoo has like that old is Onyx or the 268 Patton and it expires after it’s 20 year reunion this August about not exactly exact date about me goddess when it when it expires and so this is really significant because there I’m not sure if your readership is familiar with this but like space but there’s been like a number of projects that tried to get off the ground and you know really small startups that it’s a really interesting things with with with with not just with Tammy and I’m really pushing for it or you know development but unfortunately because there’s this really wide cotton cover is basically sexual communication over the Internet a lot of people have been sued or shut down in there if they’ve had to fight legal battles that you know that you know it’s the cost of the lawyers even if it’s pro bono I like one company like I think I think they did get off because they were looking for prior art and you know there has been you know the ideal tell the dogs existed before this time I actually was granted however they’ve been successful in suing people and people just cuddling cuz they don’t want to deal with you know all the legal problems that go with it so he was able to get it dropped to pay but if I don’t think it was a nice process were for the my balls it was not fun and I think they got scared people from entering the space in end or if they had on his face match lie angle to remain in the space after this August to see if people are really interested in tell hold on X or if you know if it was kind of holding it and it’ll be interesting to see how it grows I expect it’s going to grow more within live camming actually has more campsites have Incorporated tip activated sex toys so sexy that will that will basically for sponge to the sound of text so when someone is watching Aunt Pam performance that you know they tip and then whatever the tip or they will check my change the intensity or what device can do so exciting thing to look for and there’s this one of the trends because I think they’re not really marketed towards my body but I think it’s exciting and I’d like to see more in there I just don’t I’m not sure I’ve heard some people really like it arson but I think that like there’s much more sophisticated Technologies because I think with which is it was very low Fidelity like you all the sexual movements you can make and compared to a without quit that may be a smart dildo or smart Middlesex leaves can do is like you know there’s so much Lost in Translation so keep an eye on for next year well well I guess this makes me think they eventually they’ll probably have some sort of pressurized suit where you could actually just have a regular massage that way you don’t even erotic now is standing but it just seems like things are going to move in that direction anyway of just remote everything in the eyes I was even thinking now you’re saying this if if you were if you were wanting to do this more of a sexual therapeutic thing and you were in if it’s it’s like the it’s been very treacherous the territory of being surrogates and I’m sure the lot of the sex surrogates that have existed since it’s been legal least in the US has to have been in situations that they probably would have much rather had had some sort of mediation device that could actually perform physical manipulation of flesh but we’re not with them having to be right there you know in the room but that you could actually be like in like in some lab Booth where you’re behind the glass but there is a surrogate apparatus or likeness of a human or something that you can speak through with that you can move through and it will be kind of like a like a space suit or something but you’re not interview at those those robots that they put out the work on space stations if you could work on it unless someone sexually LDV and a harmful way and you could actually induce certain forms of somatic Therapies in that that might be even more scalable than trying to find the people brave enough to want to do that stuff cuz yeah I think this will hopefully go in that direction or this everybody will is Hedonism will be counterbalanced by the therapy going to be a big competition for a robot out of tar so that is heard about exercise but it also had funded project to make the first digital tricorder in with a Star Trek tricorder that basically diagnosis in the competition’s on what’s the guys name I forget what a multimillion-dollar basically tries to you know get these robot out of Hearts made it and I didn’t I don’t believe there’s any connection to sex but it’s more to help people in remote locations doctor service is or Nurse Services of course development and Technology happening with money behind it up some big implications for what’s possible all right well this is a whole nother I raised money to do a the first porn in space in are they raised I don’t know some percentage of their goal but that was interesting headline I sell alpaca should I I don’t know that it wasn’t quite there gold but yeah then I haven’t heard anything about whether or not happen but I’m sure it will eventually he’ll be in there and on top of that there was a harness device that would allow for zero gravity so that people could reproduce in space cuz if people thought is like what happens if you start to try to get it on I’m sure that’s enough to try but what if you end up swinging yourself across the space shuttle and then you lose the ejaculate in this is floating in the air NASA has spent sending it has already sperm to space just to basically see all the details but yeah they’re they’re wondering if it’s possible to reduce gravity going to affect reproduction is it going to make it as easy like how is sperm motility yes oh yeah and I mean that people are going to want to call and eyes Mars eventually or it’s not like they want to now so yeah I wonder they sex is coming just don’t know it is coming and no pun intended of well that’s interesting cool then see if we can assume any other so we got to tell the Don X and everybody’s pretty well are there any other innovations that we should be aware of I’m certainly yet I didn’t know there was that patent situation so I’m really kind of in the dark anything at this year please what’s interesting is just how in the last couple years or last year really there’s been just a lot more female lunch printer is coming and so I think that’s great because if you don’t like the pornography that’s out there but like granted it is at the clean a do you know you like a course in something about pornography with sex toys and sex tech products if you don’t marry the thing is is that there haven’t been so many going into it in the past the developers have been mail and she know that’s how that’s how it’s been but you know if you’re craving for that if you’re you know things for women that they haven’t liked so much more talk from an entrepreneur is making products and focusing on women’s pleasure in the in a sex-positive way which is really really important and in that kind of a kind of discussing the orgasm Gap and I don’t know if you know where the workout some tacos but it’s basically different studies that show different types of something like or just had her in sexual encounters I think men for the most part are like nine times out of ten they’re going to have an orgasm and then for women it’s in between one and two thirds of the time they’re going to have an orgasm so I mean it’s not like I always like to say it’s not all about orgasm there’s there’s more to Sexton that but just you know there is where is the discrepancy in and I don’t think there’s been enough focused on women’s pleasure and women focusing on their own pleasure okay because I know what you like and be open to just finding that out and so I’m just a really excited about how there’s this more women and sex text no putting their horses out there and if you don’t like their products which it which I I love products products I’m just saying like you know there’s this stuff there that’s that’s that’s happening it’s a great it’s a great thing to do if I guess right thing I wish there was more of us when I was growing up not sure I would have been if exposed to it because it’s hard to advertise when you are insects taxable I’d say it’s really positive it’s the adult performers sex check which they overlap but then there’s there’s different is that there are more women directors and creating Studios and I think I think that’s that’s great you know I think there’s more diversity the better and so about comes with like books of all backgrounds you know I think that the more people from different walks of life to develop products that are there software you know whatever it is a different really help cut down on the negative sexual things that happens with abuse assault that’s awesome. Do you have any on the platforms and the and we’re not to you that you publish on have you done a series or would you think about doing a series or anyting the chronicle sorted profiling women in insects take or women who are entrepreneurs in the space so that I will be happy thrilled to know more about than just be is that something that that you might do like a specific unit of focus on at some point so we can look into that later International women’s day we had a writer put together a peace sign about I think maybe 11 women in sex tech that you are doing interesting things and I hope we’ve also covered if you act like just serious but we do cover for a lot of different male female I mean he would but I guess they’re not going to find it but we just all genders in between and we’ve covered CEO Polly Rodriguez of Unbound and she’s really great shoes I don’t know if you’ve heard of her but she co-founded the women of sex tech community so she’s based in New York and Unbound is her company and it basically creates products for women and sell products for women’s pleasure and a really like it because it makes you feel good about yourself on their commercialism but you know that market in a way that it just because you know they’re really speaking to a demographics I think has been underserved well is that how Polly co-founded women have sex talking so it’s been like a networking group mostly for ladies who are or women identifying people to talk about problems and getting funny because I mean this is the times I’ve heard differing views and I’m not a funding sometimes and then with women going in there they might get treated a bit weirdly like they don’t really appreciate it or there’s just not as much interest in focusing or investing in Need for women’s pleasure but I think women are the future of sex. Net and we’ll have definitely have articles featuring women who are in it and then I think it’s women of sex tech stuff, and that’s just a bunch of women in sex tech or sex-related online projects that you know you might be interested if you don’t know a lot of women entrepreneurs in the space store in publishing online that’s cool I’m so I was at the crypto invest Summit in Los Angeles recently and there was a women in blockchain panel and there’s a number of there’s a really powerful really amazing women in the blockchain space were organizing and creating a different groupings in and just looking at a think it’s something like I don’t know where anywhere between effort numbers between only 2% of venture funding goes to women in Navy up two at the most like 10% but that’s probably generous so we have a long way to go and that’s that space is so much more I have a lot more hope for for transformation of culture through Venture funding when I do through replacing people on you know positions of authority and Power & politics to let you know that everywhere but I’m not really thrilled to know about that cuz I feel like yeah whatever whatever dystopian futuristic sex text scenarios might happen with really may be corrupted ingredient you know harmfully perverted men if their women in the space of Mino writing proposals and business models in business plans in pitching then hopefully more enlightened more feminist friendly future will be a that was my home okay so you’re moving along to another question so there has been it’s weird I feel like the green the go green kind of Boom it’s it’s almost like I don’t know I want I don’t want to call it a bubble but it seems like I remember in the late in the late 2000 and early 2000s around between 2822 I don’t know what you have wouldn’t wouldn’t say when it stops at any point but it did really kind of get big there was directors of sustainability positions opening up in all these different firms and I’ll and institutions and Recycling and just a sort of Renaissance of of the Earth Day by but it really got up the nerve is everybody wanted to go green and I don’t know if you get the sense of that sort of faded a bit from a Zeitgeist maybe people have gotten just more all about apps and all about smartphones and just like that in that movement and it around Elsa was big with the Inconvenient Truth coming out there and then being a I see a lot of celebrities speaking out about a lot more I think on the other half of the Earth but I’m noticing a gap I don’t know if you have noticed it but I’m curious now if you feel like in the specific unisex take space if there are people who are really coming out saying I hate let’s do this let’s do this development of psychological development for sexuality but let’s do it with certain environmental ethics and protocols in place as far as carbon footprint and as far as you know sustainability and sustainable products and materials and all but I feel like these people are really losing sight of the supply chain of Technology from ecological perspective I don’t know if you have any thoughts on that but for the sex tech industry I don’t think it has a great track record when it comes to sustainable projects or at least not in promoting them I imagine I think that if I had a better track record I hear about it cuz the pr people like to tell you what they’re doing great there is people like lovehoney they’re like and basically trying to make more vegan products so that’s not necessarily that let me hear me say that again like so it’s about regarding like semen safety and then making sure there aren’t animal products in your sex toys and I’m not an expert on that but there has been more discussion about vegan products and then and I think there’s some companies that really promote that is alternatives to leather like some type of a vegan alternative but yeah I don’t I don’t think it has a great track record I haven’t really heard much about it there are some 3D 3D printed 3D printing projects I’ll hear about every once in awhile and what kind of push like I’m an environmentalist point of you sometimes because I’m guessing you’ve heard of Eco sexual arousal stainable 3D printed sex toys that they people can fit themselves and any use out outside historic site right now project was called dildo at yourself idea of you know generally instead of mass producing a million sex toys like one-size-fits-all with 3D printing you know there’s more customizability so that’s that I think 3D printing has but just so you know it’s just because you 3D print something it doesn’t mean you should put it in your 30s to be like a protective coating put on auctions increases the technology gets better you will have to do all this DIY stuff. I got a clitoris 3D printed because there is an open source 3D printing projects to get that. I’m basically just to raise awareness because you know most of the clitoris is internal and people don’t know that and they don’t realize like they see just one little thing about that looks like underneath so I got that I don’t have a 3D printer but I went to something called like three beehives and basically it just links you to people in your area I’m in a very like safe manner I felt that are able to print designs for you and decent cost so I mean back something as well instead of like that can change how business is done because you don’t need to buy your own face 3D printer you there are going to be already are in this going to be more and if so needed to spend all the money you can get somebody else to do this and I don’t think the guy who cares right I want to get princess just a personal services so there’s it’s possible that is really cool I feel like if you could through and I have never thought about that really you know I’m kind of cynical and jaded and in my old old-fashioned but isn’t didn’t really think about how great it would be if there were even somehow edible totally organic totally cruelty-free edible ingredients to take to create these shapes with using machines like that mean I could be something that gives Pizza waiting two years for a part to arrive you can know we have the skin the scheme of anything friendship you know when the anti-globalization movement failed to stop the sort of thumb race to the bottom of wages where the sweatshops of the world with the lowest environmental standards for materials is like all of this plastic stuff that’s being manufactured in sweatshops and then shipped back to the US if the 3D printer can make that entire the bottom dropped out of that market because it’s so cheap as it is but if you could eliminate all of those Logistics by the way you’re saying like a localized distributed open source way to get the same sort of 99 cent store that you have your own 99 cent store in your garage take out that whole corrupted supply chain of international trade that’s really not with what is not healthy for the time but the news like bioprinting and I think people are the really interested in the house applications of of regenerative Technologies and Technologies and I think that there is no try that is possible to create it’s going to be possible at least a crate pills that are for like really targeted for the person so instead of giving like everybody like this is just a standard dosage know some people need different Doses and elderly people are often prescribed medications and so will you just expect another slice of this type of printing it has so many applications that can really enhance like you know what you said you could help get rid of fireman by cutting out all that transport and you know hopefully make fruit quality of life as well as medicine very good very good so I think whoever do with all that stuff a couple questions I have here if we have a few more minutes to get to wrap up I think we covered I was going to ask if you would share some with some women like space but it sounds like we got some good resources for that we laid out and I appreciate that so people can follow up and and look at those and then I guess the met the last question will be if you yourself had a blue sky budget to develop the start-up of your dreams and their futuristic sex text space What would be one of your dream projects if you’ve ever been in a brainstorming about it yeah well it’s a big question I would say yeah I think for for sex tech me to get payment and Publishing done on our own terms and stop Outsourcing like for instance you know trying there’s some people Facebook doesn’t allow any sex advertising or it could be something really likes a fish for work basic it is not like it’s hard to advertise the banks and I’m peanut processors they can just freeze your account and so I think something I mean maybe it wouldn’t be blockchain we would have to develop something but with the Sky High budget I just think that is made for and by the sex tech industry so that we’re not reliant on you know people who don’t have necessarily the intellects Experience open my Nest help a Dolores extech Industries you know so I understand why some companies want to get Facebook eyes but you know I don’t I think that’s just open a can of worms in a bit because it’s what’s good sex what’s bad sex should Facebook me to finding that and just in terms of online publishing a 90% about enchiladas Revenue goes to like Google or Facebook the duopoly so again if you’re publishing picture people are making money but it’s mostly those two people and so I think the way to circulate this I don’t think we should be like cow coloring to these big big companies that have all this power but not necessarily open-mindedness and I totally agree with that it’s a huge pain point and someone that I’ve certainly been let me know what I can say for personal experience I’ve had videos go viral on the more mainstream platforms that I shall not name but the second they really go viral they get deplatformed and that could have been career-changing for me you know if you have to build an audience so maybe it’s funny because Yahoo started out very much a highly trafficked adult almost classified platform if I’m not mistaken but there was there was a sort of kick-starting bootstrapping golden age of adult in the early days of the internet that got quickly sort of extinguish I don’t know why they don’t just have an official vetted adult only access sphere of their own Enterprises even if it’s a subsidiary with a different name or something if they have some distance from you know politically or something but they’re definitely missing out you know I don’t know why they don’t figure out how to make their algorithms could do anything I mean your algorithms good figure out how to only serve with I mean cuz I just wiped out a lot of they demonetized a lot of of content producers who run anything that could possibly be controversial for advertisers but why not just say oh you’re up you’re a right-wing gun that freak you know that whatever will hear is you get all of those ads and Penny Play Say Something for everybody so and I’m not putting that down imma you know that there’s there’s I’m just an example of what some of what gets with what get some persecuted by that but yeah I totally agree with that and I do feel like hopefully blockchain and you know these new permissionless content platforms like steam at for example as a good example publishing platform where you can get paid for your content and they just have a very intuitive there it is checkbox for not NSFW right and that’s it that’s all you need to know self-select I don’t know if it’s the community can can certify a gate but then it doesn’t get deleted it just goes into that not-safe-for-work category in that is all you really need a break myself but yeah that that’s a great a great idea hopefully everything will come to you to help the guy that process and you know actually know if I just have one less thing to put out there since I have you on the line and the folks who are the fans of your work might might get into this I don’t know if this is been done yet I don’t see how it seems like it would be the easiest no-brainer sort of fork of some sort of Open Source Code for a nap but basically you bringing bringing sex tech Down to Earth for my ecosexual perspective that I would love to see there be an app that’s exactly like Airbnb but what it specializes in is connecting people who are like glamping you know but for sex places where you can have sex in nature and go to a place in private property that is a place where you can go and feel free at this like like monetizing private 611 Tantra temples but but at the very least just feel like I’ve got a bunch of land with you know a cabin on it and I would love for people couples or whoever to go out there and have their full moon rituals and not be bothered people gawking at them or you know complaining about it and they can be as you can be as loud as you need to be to really go deep with sexuality which we also do not have the access to seal open up you know what their vocal cords as much as feel free being naked and Nathan Wyld so yeah let’s have an airbag recall are birds and bees like that so cool well hopefully yeah all of our dreams come true here to certainly plenty of plenty of resources being thrown around and now in the crypto Stacy know I’ve never seen so many hundreds of millions of dollars / around the planets online exchanges they never before so they do you know if there’s a will there’s a way let’s get well let’s hope for the best and certainly be optimistic about the potential for anything now yeah cool said you’re going to give your websites and Sandy final closing words anything else before we sign off your podcast cuz I’ve been a fan for a while so it’s nice to be here and you want to check out the 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Net we’re just vamping to be a responsive shame I know it took so long but it’s going to look a bit different soon if you are visiting today it’s not responsive just yeah you’re still a sex-positive future dates or anything we should be aware of I definitely can see YouTube easy easy for most corresponding all these matters I had no clue about a lot of this stuff and I’m so thank you for enlightening us and we will definitely be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Tantra Punk. Com Damas de