In this episode I have the exquisite joy of sharing hope and invigoration to fight for sex worker rights with the highly accomplished veteran adult entertainment star Ashley Fires.
She shares her personal story of empowerment and success in the adult industry. We learn about her romance with New Hampshire and how she’s made a beautiful personal and professional life there in the liberity oriented political climate. We discuss the state of affairs in legislation affecting the adult industry and about how New Hampshire is in a great position to fully decriminalize sex work among consenting adults. She talks about her vitally important work as the current leader of the Sex Workers Outreach Project New Hampshire Chapter
We share our mutual visions for a more sexually expressive future and talk shop about what it will take to get some creative and fun initiatives going.
She does an amazing job establishing that it’s not just an industry, it’s a movement. We agree the war on sex is as real as the war on drugs and just as cannabis has been the gateway to more drug peace, and the policy reform on the horizon in New Hampshire may help to bring peace in the war on sex.
Ashley is the Official Spokesmodel for the biggest Fetish site on the net “Clips4sale.com.” You may recognize her from her many late night appearances on CINEMAX, HBO, SHOWTIME, and PLAYBOY TV in her famed B Horror and Sexy Soft Core roles! Ashley has also starred in over 300 adult feature films, been featured on hundreds of Box Covers and can be seen on thousands of websites. She worked with such companies as ADAM AND EVE, DIGITAL PLAYGROUND, BRAZZERS, KINK.COM, NAUGHTY AMERICA, ELEGANT ANGEL, WICKED, HUSTLER, EVIL ANGEL, and PENTHOUSE.
As a Glamour model she has graced the cover and centerfold pages of TABOO, HUSTLER, NUGGET, LEG SHOW, XBIZ, GLAMOR GIRL, VON GUTTENBURG, BUTTMAN, BIZZARE, and AVN.
She has been a recurring guest on many national radio shows such as “BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE“, “THE JASON ELLIS SHOW“, AND “THE HOWARD STERN SHOW!”
She has also done a number of interviews for such publications as the “LA TIMES”, “LA WEEKLY”, “BIZZARE”, “HUFFINGTON POST”, and “THE DAILY BEAST”
Ashley was nominated for multiple AVN Awards including “Best Web Star” and “Best Actress.” Also been nominated by The XBIZ Awards for “Best Web Starlet” and “Best Performer” She is the WINNER of “SEXIEST ADULT STAR” for the 2013 THE SEX AWARDS. She also won the title of “Miss Summer XBIZ 2009!”
Currently Ashley runs her own production studio and produces award winning adult content.
She is also the Chapter Leader for SWOP (Sex Workers Outreach Program) New Hampshire.
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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to touch your Punk podcast episode number 172 I’m being joined by Ashley fires and she is at 15-year adult actress veteran and now an independent adult content producer and is also the sex workers Outreach project leader in the state of New Hampshire where some very interesting and exciting things are happening with regards to really Shifting the Paradigm around decriminalizing sex work and it’s a long time coming no pun intended and we really need to I’m sure tonight they just they just write themselves but but yeah I just a little bit of background from you leading up to this conversation and is that at one of my dear friends in the Tantra healing movement was very instrumental in pivotal activist in the swap organization and we have we been on the show before but she she kind of brought me into that Community a little bit and I I felt like I I wish I had connected with with it much more in some of the other chapters in my life where I was more or heavily sex working I guess you could say but as I’ve been coming out of the closet more in reaching out a networking it’s really it’s really heartwarming to see the level of Frontline advocacy work and activist work and Legend other work that that’s why I was doing it so any any chance I get to to learn about what they’re doing in to defeat Tria time I’m proud to and I’m extra proud to have this this moment to share with Ashley because of all of the connections going on in in New Hampshire and the libertarian movement and the free state project and the cryptocurrency that’s going on there so it seems like all of these Liberatore forces are about to really probably for the first time you know an American history actually not just legalized like marijuana but to decriminalize it and make it something free for consenting adults to do in private and to exchange probably whatever means if digital or or actual currency that they choose so with that said that you would be exactly should be just. It’s not just the old system in the world vital part of human life and yet it’s stigmatized shamed and you know used to control the opposite ends of the spectrum right and the the thought that I’m going to hand you have like Roe v Wade at this time here now might might be challenged right and then and then on the other hand you have New Hampshire Live Free or Die. Mike criminalizing prostitution and I was drawn to it a while back after chest of those. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it could be back up and just get more of your background you have such an amazing bio here I would love to get people salivating just hearing about some of your your work over the years leading up to this and then we can we can zoom into the into this yet what are Yas Harley so I been a sex worker my entire adult life 2018 I started dancing in Las Vegas as I grew up in California drive up to Vegas during the weekend go make a bunch of money and I drive back and go to school 2002 I started doing fetish work when that was private sector inside Dungeons and also French for sure it yours and sprinkle them with some fetish on camera off camera little this little that 2011 12 years now directing producing tellin you no hair makeup Cross services type stuff from Los Angeles like singing on sex workers that you know growing up in California you know what else we done at that point honey turned upside down best part of it but it was also a few years back the adult industry the adult entertainment industry has its own like me too movement and I was on the front lines that was so difficult that was you know it really brought into question a lot of wait culture if you know I started looking at how I other performer complicit or perpetuating such Behavior and do something about it or I can get out of the way but I couldn’t be inactive and so that’s why I became a voice this was in 2015 I started thinking about you know civil liberties for all people and rights as human beings especially in the workplace in the workplace and Kim on the question many times on social media towards me what if your work even work like a consensus was unless you know even if they are allies some not as such an emotional labor and get you you you know you could you do such a vital natural part of everyday father me so I decided to get is there a swamp here I tried to find a New Hampshire thought there was no such thing as I will have is there a demand for it there’s plenty of energy up there and it’s it’s about having a a camaraderie and you know this coming up next year that are actually like fundraisers get people involved why would you want to help us people well first of all through human and goodbye terminated against personally and I could go on and on that but you know it’s it’s about community and it’s about dismantling people wear the same rights and civil liberties as any other human being out there you know and add to it the SEPTA fossa God of centrally Deus Ex Berg on the table here and there’s definitely stuff that I wanted to say something since I have you into this is really exciting to me the Insight that you have as far as New Hampshire goes because the first time in the adult industry that I discovered of the fact that there’s only two jurisdictions really in the United States were pouring is actually protected as free speech I am not not to be prosecuted is pandering for prostitution camping so New Hampshire getting that status along with California I don’t really I probably glance the Wikipedia on that before I don’t know if there was like a case precedent there was like a pivotal case that happened but do you know anything about a cool can we do we get into just like you were romance with New Hampshire and you’re rolling in the industry there and then just why how does it it’s not eating meat you would think Vegas would be the only other place but actually it’s not but then you have New Hampshire and it’s kind of a left-field thing unless you think about the libertarian movement I don’t know that anything to do with it so whatever you have to share about that I would be so grateful to hear your insights I don’t really know much about the president case that that made you know it legal to shoot pornography in New Hampshire do you know that it was a guy who hired a couple to have sex in front of a mini video tape it and they they called that in a pandering or whatever they called it but are they are they were having sex at something it turned out to be hold on me so they fought it and they won and it was not considered prostitution it was considered making a movie right now an adult film because you wasn’t an attempt to distribute it it was like a personal thing or something anyways I don’t know I honestly don’t know much about it but I know it’s like you know set the precedent and you would think that because it is legal here more people would come in and shoot babe there’s basically maybe four or five. Yeah it’s a 1.3 million but still you think more people would come and exercise that right you know he’s come in and just check things out look around it’s all good they walk around and look it’s perfectly okay and you know there’s no reason why I mean if people want to have sex and get paid for it and try to make money and today you know you open up a PornHub Channel or like a clips4sale or whatever and make your own life just doing what you’re going to do at home that’s that’s a that’s why I fell in love with New Hampshire a while back yeah so what was your story of how did you encounter a New Hampshire and was it was it for what some people call it in the crypto space in a regulatory Arbitrage if you could go there and get a better you know 6 and set up with the state as far as the regulations go but what was it that Drew you there originally tonight at the married almost 13 years and they are actually in Vermont and we found out what we can check it out, got a place sight unseen and moved out like literally like a month and I love it here I mean I know this in the winter but you know seven years and I I’d like to hear it say I wish there were more people willing to come here and freely Express themselves sexually you know I was trying to give opening act like a kinky B&B because they’re going to be right here Tantric live in Sikeston you know it could be like a bit of a learning experience with you no panels and and demonstrations and stuff I mean I did a touch of that a while back and there’s amazing but I remember growing up being unreal sax a whole segment on tantric sex and you know it here ever since AT&T bought HBO they’re getting rid of all actual content of a stand of our way we’re waiting for the masses then tomorrow we will hook up take care of everybody you like I want to be I want to have us in that as that happens it’s ready to sign up The Exodus of this is this is I’m painting this picture I’ve been on the East Coast I’ve been to New Hampshire I don’t think I have stopped there for anything I may have stopped there for for some some classic Serta legendary Cuisine is probably what words would have me go through there but I’ve been on the East Coast number of times and I love the vibe I love the fact that the seasons cuz in La there’s not really season so you see autumn and winter and you get to enjoy spring and all that so I’m just in this moment of painting is picture of you having the BMV in and actually I had this idea a while back to say exactly in line with what you’re saying what should be how I feel like it’s so important that that we have places to go and freely and be as loud as we want and not feel like they’re watching us or you know unless we wanted to or whatever but actually we need like an Airbnb opportunity for couples and whoever even singles who want to go and be sexual in nature and in any Hampshire there’s so much beautiful while nature you can have some property with like a you know Victorian home on there or something even more you know the Eco kind of radical alternative but that’s going to be the place that I want to see this happen for sure you no place like you sending your and it’s growing in there is some some major thought leaders in that so I haven’t seen how the ecosexuality movement sort of thought leaders are really interfacing with with the activist movement of swapped but it sounds like we’re kind of making a little bit of magic here just talking about the stuff I’m sure that some interesting things will happen and probably they’ll have to maybe where you all do as a host to conference and invite me up speakers and authors and workshops just like you said you don’t even even if you rent to a facility and you kind of do a test of the model and and you know I’m sure it would it would be a very successful and maybe fundraise for the actual the legal work that needs to be done to get these decrypt the determination happen that’s probably segue to ask you what would you like to share about the the role that you and and swap are playing with the people who actually able to lobby and able to write legislation and in affect the political landscape as far as the decriminalization movement there so I would love to share who I’ve been talking with but I’m I’m not sure I have their permission I have been talking with them people represent in Congress and one Senator but I like I said I’m not going to tell anybody I don’t know I don’t know you no discussion but there is someone who helped offer a very confident that decriminalization effects work in New Hampshire is highly possible in the near future we want docs any politicians Erie but I’m sure everything will be press release you know will be forthcoming and in a lot of press will be on that so I’m just curious because I want to let you know I want to build a summer home there at the very least you know and maybe change my my residency to there and just go warm places I done for me I’m a I’m a real chicken when it comes to to freezing cold weather but but I would go in the Northeast is just get out of the Northeast during the affective disorder the point of a fireplace kind of cozy people who live here are gorgeous to come visit you should come to that I think I’m going to to to relocate my residency there as soon as humanly and financially possible for so so so many reasons and and one of them I will put out there and maybe isn’t necessarily your cup of tea or what you want to associate with personally but for anybody listen who hasn’t really Ducks doe dug into the opportunity that is the Free State movement or free state project and just the whole the whole certain regulatory Arbitrage thing is happening there so many things for different Lifestyles but one of them is that they have something called constitutional carry where you can carry a concealed weapon for your self-defense obviously just by the simple fact of you being a citizen of the United States with a constitutional right to bear arms and that is not being obstructed by any of the you know any of the forces that be that would that would have whatever reason you know whatever and motivation right baby recommend you go and register or get a permit with the local police but but you don’t even need a permit now that passed I think 2 years ago I’m about 2 years ago I was I was I mean I’m a total Progressive socialist but yeah that’s what I believe well you know what this reminds me of one one of the most powerful sex worker goddesses that I’ve ever met she is such a a heroin to me and one of the things that she said which is so apropos this conversation is that she would like to say this the sort of bit of wisdom she had and she basically said you know you can it’s legal for you to go down to a gun shop and buy a gun but you can’t buy my pussy that’s how powerful my pussy is you can buy separately but if you go to the Hampshire pretty soon you’re going to be able to buy both with your favorite cryptocurrency I know that’s funny letter fireworks from liquor stores that are you staying out of that is so great I am so there I’ve had I’ve had enough with everything I just said and I even thought of how it would be nice I like what you said this is important to to know what you said about you we do need those winter months to actually heal and until it’s I feel like the people are running on such hyperdrive in LA because there aren’t it feels like there’s really no season so there’s no introspection there’s no self-reflection there’s no getting close with the family or with the Beloved at it with the land you know being a part of those Cycles so I really do feel like I probably I probably fall in love so much that I won’t care to leave so even if it’s freezing cold because I’ll be around the campfire you know I’ll be around if you know this the the wood stove or whatever maybe so I know it’s gorgeous and it’s so cute really you’re the season Majestic earlier today and not because of smog smog 6% Caucasian but that was a bit of a culture shock for sure Caucasian it turned out which is which also further to the stigma of the same kind of like if there is such a thing as middle class in Hollywood now I feel driving I guess it depends on who’s driving I got there in four and a half but you can get all of the action all of the food everything I could to make sense to to be posted up legally in New Hampshire for so many reasons and then I can imagine it I kind of imagined that it would be the Vegas or or like you’re saying but I’m surprised that there isn’t a more of a booming adult Production Studio house industry given that you could it’s it’s bad. It sounds like it’s about as far as away is Vegas and everyone fled to Vegas when the the kind of life started taking enforceable effects in the LA County area so that’s a question I have for you is it you know if you’ve been following the the regulation around and this sort of the big money the big money clinical groups who are trying to shut down the street on the health but with the health department as a sort of there their battering ram into the industry I’m curious in New Hampshire are they is it is there any specifications from the health department or health code that that are trying to set the rules for the industry for the porn industry there it is it is the Wild Wild West out here we are more people more to join you know start producing they would have to try to regulate but I don’t know if they would because I really don’t think they would I adhere to the same you know guidelines as as far as testing goes the only difference is I need to get tested we we provide them with testing we make sure everyone we we go through this last we have this very detailed checklist I think it was inspired by Nikki Benz and if possible the only difference is we’re not paying Los Angeles or Las Vegas free small company but you know we talked about splitting, according Talent from Vegas and Los Angeles and you know kind of responsibility regulating type of business you just have to have trust that all people are you know I’m doing the right thing around that is because yeah I think that I think like Outlets sexually here you know I said you know if you will actually liberated place like you know I even thought about you some Leaf peeping directed in the professional studio shoot up or down with your spouse just that sounds like a great guy honestly before you even were saying this stuff I could I was just it was a premonition that you would be talking about this because I I just felt like you were going to probably end up working in some capacity with the Chamber of Commerce of wherever whatever region or whatever sort of municipality or me to Sally’s and actually help that like what you’re you can’t you know you can’t afford your Public Works projects you know your new parks are being closed down for whatever reason well here we got the screws it’s going to be amazing yeah I can see it now and start building and I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now I can of gas its people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I I I want to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I talk to Subway to get a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good it’s the best I feel like you have a lot of love but I like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this is would be a place for people that veteran died literally I mean you know they call it in the adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of you in if you’re not in front of the camera and doing the stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in a note and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping living out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as veterans violence and brutality in Warfare civilians is military yeah that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval of being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performers have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day