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The Sacred Sexual Healing Path of Gay Tantra Teacher Brad Amberheart TPP233

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In this episode I’m joined by Brad Amberheart

My new gay tantra hero has joined me for a deep exploration of all things gay and tantra. He takes us on a journey through his journey, a cinematic adventure behind the veil and into the inner sanctum of a magical priest of love. I felt lifted out-of-body and into the clouds while experiencing his eloquent narrative of personal evolution, healing, empowerment, transformation, and transcendence.  I was in the perfect mood to shove off the shore of normal waking consciousness to dance within the erotic consciousness of Brad’s historic evolutionary path towards bigger and bigger love.

About Brad:

Brad Amberheart is a Tantric sex coach and erotic workshop facilitator who works primarily with gay men. His primary passion is working 1-on-1 with men who are ready to explore erotic ecstasy as a pathway to a higher understanding of who we are and why we’re here. Brad has also led transformational erotic rituals at international Tantra festivals for people of all genders, including the Hawaii Tantra Festival and the Tantra Love Fest in Glastonbury, UK. Between 2017 and 2020, he wrote more than 120 concepts for conscious evolutionary Gay Sex videos and worked on 7 gay erotic film sets to coach male erotic models in how to convey a deeper sense of heightened sexual freedom and expression on camera. His latest endeavor, as of January 2020, is the launch of his podcast series, Gay Tantra, which is the first podcast series in the world devoted fully to the experiential practice of Tantra, Sexual Magic, and Erotic Mysticism for men who have sex with men. To listen to his podcast, watch his gay erotic videos, or book a Tantric Sex coaching session in person or via video conferencing, please visit bradamberheart.com

 

My (not verbatim) show notes: 

Tantric sex coach, erotic workshop facilitator for gay men, host of gay tantra podcast

Gratitude to tantrapunk podcast for invitation, a month ago, searching for gay tantra podcasts, closest that came up was tantra punk because of interviews with Jason Tantra and others, listened to quite a few podcasts, deeply touched by transcendental eroticism, self pleasuring that encouraged men to cherish our own bodies, and use orgasm for healing

right when just about to contact tantra punk, I got an email we found one another at the same time

sitting in same bedroom in grandmother’s house, live in western north carolina, talking today from home of ancestors, family lived for 5 generations, same cedar tree I decorated with lights over the holidays that was my height when I was twelve, now the same age as me, gigantic cedar tree that I can go in and hide and masturbate if I want to, right in the front yard, I think that’s a good frame work for what I’m about to tell you

grew up in very conservative religious background, lucky enough to have parents that were open sexually, even though 70s, father was deeply wounded emotionally and spiritually by the Vietnam war, I came into a world of turmoil and chaos

parents thought sex was a very important part of life, educated to embrace sex and its beauty

went to church, encouraged to wait until marriage to engage sexually, parents didn’t subscribe to that

even though baptist church, it was quite moderate. The horror stories about fundamentalist religions weren’t a reality

always cared for, always loved

when got into high school, more than before, became problem child

asked questions you’re not supposed to ask

Jesus never got married, how old was he when he did, is there anything in the bible about him having sex with anyone, because you’re not supposed to have sex before marriage, does that mean that Jesus never got to do you want me to die a 33 year old virgin, nailed on a cross

pleaded with youth minister to talk, he looked at me with kind eyes, I feel like a lot of people are asking the questions you’re asking but you’re the only one with courage to ask, I wonder what Jesus’ sex life was like

he got married, after wedding we all looked with longing, maybe he’s getting some now

still what really impressive, miraculously I was not shunned, encouraged to explore curiosity

curiosity is a foundational root of what it means to be on a tantric path

heard of tantra first from sister, she said, have you ever heard that there’s certain guys in the world that instead of ejaculating, they use that energy for other things and have these trippy experiences

didn’t hear the word again for many years, didn’t have sex with anyone all the way from puberty until I was 22 years old, partly because of religious upbringing, and partly because of craving, longing, excitement related to men, attributed it to admiration

if I would see a hunky guy there was a certain excitement

also noticed going on dates with women, it was done from a place of attempting to please relatives, to convince them I was normal

greatest obsession was to study all day saturday, for international science fair, studied sun spots through a telescope every day, instead of having sex

while every body else was exploring sexuality if they were lucky, I was at the library, I was a total nerd

went to church every sunday, even when parents quit going, I was the spiritual leader of the family, always asked to say the prayer

what’s more relevant, I remained disconnected from other people sexually all through college

I was religious but at the same time rebellious

celebrate new years in florida with my cousin

I wonder what jesus’ sex life was life, I’m 22, I don’t really want to die a virgin

willing to find any woman who’d be willing to experiment with me

wasn’t able to find anyone that wanted to go to bed with me

story going on in my mind, maybe people who go to bed with people of same sex was because they couldn’t get in bed with someone of the same sex

the story I got about homosexuality was not pretty, not positive, not encouraging, it was scary

tantra, in retrospect, for all the years that I wasn’t having sex I was pursuing other passions and putting a lot of energy into really creative work

how did I ever get on a tantric path, all the times masturbated by myself, I was on a tantric path, I was harnessing my energy and putting into what I cared about even when I wasn’t having sex

learned how to take self into fits of excitement and ecstasy, at that age I ejaculated a lot, so I found every creative way to shoot my cum all over the place

I became my most devoted and delighted sex partner

I had a lot of fun by myself, didn’t know til in college, most guys masturbate with their hand

I actually found it much more pleasurable to fuck the bed, I would writhe and squirm all over soft sheets and make noises into the pillow, I loved ejaculating onto the sheets, didn’t realize that not everybody did that

cultivating an ecstatic whole body practice

when I did find a willing, exuberant, excited sex partner, the ecstasy I had been cultivating on my own 9 years, was over the top with another human being, on top of a wonderful man’s body in Alaska, marvelous orgasm after orgasm for hours, must have ejaculated 4 or 5 times, I was still 22, now looking back, years of whole body jack off fun by myself became the foundation for years of euphoric sexual bliss with other men

the tantric path made itself known to me, overtly around the year 2000, I was 26 years old, had been in a corporate job for several years, traveling back and forth to Siberia, environmental consult to gold mining companies, had no sex life

Still investing in what I really cared about, didn’t have sex partners other than self

sit in closet, get high smoking pot, get out a stack of porn mags, started to noticed even though all my porn mags had women in them, they also had men, loved to seeing men’s cum, loved seeing to men and woman together, undeniable theme

one night jacking of in the closet by myself and said, wow I live in a city of 100,000 people, there must be someone else out there who would love to do this with me right now

ventured out of closet, went to a bar, chatted up the cutest guys I could find and I had hours and hours and hours of mind blowing sex as often as I liked, if there had been any guilt or shame or trepidation, I took 9 years to get over it

when I came out the closet, I came out with flying colors

tantric path continued, something was happening that was not normal, not typical

I would be making love with a guy, no penetration with first 20 or 30 partners I enjoyed, always face to face body to body cock to cock lips to lips, over the top orgasmic, wasn’t any penetration but would find that, would allow self to completely lose myself, didn’t have to hold on to earthly reality, go flying, when I would come to, the men I would be with would be like, “dude I have neighbors”, what do you mean what do they have to do with anything, well you’re making a lot of noise man, what else would I do I’ve waited 9 years to enjoy this

they would enjoy it but they would try to shut me down

I hear this from friends when they make love with women, always concerned with how big it’s gonna be and how loud

at present moment I hold play parties for people of all genders, last play party, all of the noise that came out of my house was the screaming orgasms of women, didn’t hear men making any noise, windows were open, screams going through whole neighborhood

I told everybody in the beginning, it’s spring time its hot windows open, if you’re going to scream and orgasm, consider that a blessing to the people who live here, whatever you’re facing aim that energy into the earth, that it can bless this ground that has suffered so much for so many generations and so that the people near by can be blessed, consider the people on this continent that are hurting and let your waves reach those people

and I heard a lot of screaming from women, because, frankly I don’t know how many places in the world we have sanctuary to really allow that unstoppable orgasm to come out, I really feel it has frightened men for a long time, it frightened many of my sex partners early on

I had never been with anyone, I had only been with my ecstatic self, when nobody was home in my parents house, I was shouting hallelujah, I was screaming because it felt so fucking good, I didn’ tknow anything about holding it back

learned about body electric school in 1999, had been hearing more about this tantric thing

workshops where guys rubbed on one another’s cocks, and they would see colors, and visions , and maybe speak in tongues

room full of men would go into whole body orgasmic bliss but nobody ejaculated

it was really trendy in the 90s, a lot of people talked about it, wow I did it and I saw colors

I could travel back and forth in time, very different than what I was seeing in porn, to this day when I watch porn, still haven’t seen one that shows people having a transcendental experience, where they’re flying above the oceans and swimming with the dolphins while they make love

still waiting, when I make love I get to swim through oceans, I get to hear the whales, I get to smell the salt air, I get to travel through the world and its what I want for people to know more anything is that in addition to being a fuck load of fun to have sex, it’s also a vehicle that connects us to everything alive on the earth, and everything that ever has lived, no such thing as death, people that came before are here alive and we can visit with them, this is the potential of our sex, that I’m not hearing spoken about except out of my own mouth,

my tantra speaker spoke about it when I finally tantra, after the body electric school, where I went to workshops where men rubbed on each other’s cocks like a magic jenie bottle and transcendental experiences

when I was invited to my first tantra workshop I said well what is it, is it a tantra massage and he said no, it’s tantra

you mean tantra is different than massage, he said yeah it is

I went to this workshop in a log cabin, with some one to this day I consider to be one of the most authentic and resonant lineages of tantra that I have found, rudolph valentine

we do this tantra workshop in a log cabin, it’s hot, but there’s a pond and we bathe in a pond

it’s great we’ve done it lots of time, you should come, so I did

12 men there, all got naked, lined up on bank of pond, farm pond with frogs in it, every few minutes, hear them and nights sounds, crickets, we all line up, leader motions for us to take step forward, 12 men take a step into this pond with water up to our chest, remembered grandmother, I remembered her saying she was baptized in a pond, as soon as that thought came to me, the workshop leaders invited us to get into a circle, the two of them got into the center of the circle and they invited the first person to step in to the center of the circle, I thought are they really gonna do what I think they’re gonna do, I decided to go first, I stepped into the circle, one of them put his hand behind my head, the other held my hand, they both looked at me and I knew what was happening, they nodded as if to signal are you ready, I shook my head,i let out a wail, I stood in the middle of this pond with 9 men surrounding me, and two holding me in the center, and I wailed, I felt the sorrow and the disconnection of how I had been to be loved and cherished by a spiritual community and the pain of how it felt to be disconnected from your spiritual roots, in my heart I had a prayer that this time I would embark on a spiritual path that would hold everything that I am and allow me to be everything that I could be, and had room for every part of me, all of me the slut the priest, the father the son the man the woman everything in side of me the dark the light I wanted that path that could hold me, that was what tantra was, that was what tantra meant

I nodded, and they immersed me in the water and I had my second baptism, the first time was inside of a church when I was 6 years old inside of tank, they put you in this paper robe, and they bring you up out of the water and the whole church can see you all wet, with this paper clinging to your body

here I was in the pond, naked being baptized, this is the way to do it

moments in the workshop: looked at one of the teachers and said I’m so glad that I finally met my teacher, what do you mean, you’ve already had a teacher, what are you talking about, because you told me about the person that taught you everything, everything you already need to know about tantra was already taught to me, who was it, he said, your grandmother

my grandmother was a master at finding light in the darkness and master of turning obstacles into means, when I finally did meet my tantra teachers, 28 years after I first met my grandmother they told me the same things that she had, they were just the first to put it into words, my grandmother always had plenty when there was nothing, she had joy even when she lived in hell, she found heaven in hell, I’m sitting right now in the house that she lived and died in

my tantra teachers told me that tantra is the consummation of the inner marriage and while some of us look for a partner outside of ourselves to marry, most of us skip the essential step of finding that partner within ourselves first, I had a lot of time to practice that inner marriage, it’s a never ending relationship just like any marriage

shadow work, all of those pieces of ourselves that we think are ugly that we wouldn’t want others to know

its an instinct, there’s a part in us that isn’t always happy

part of us that feels angry, part of us that feels scared, there’s a part of us that feels enraptured, a part of us that feels enraged, the further we walk on the tantra path we’re prompted to see that there’s a place for all of this, to find the marriage of these opposites, the ultimate journey of what tantra really is all about

one more thing I want to add, I happen to be a gay man, I really love the word faggot, I embrace that word as part of my magic, and I happen to be a faggot who really loves to make love with women who love faggots, have had ecstatically joyful partners who were female, I had to embrace my delight and love of other men, before I could allow myself to be the complete faggot I am in bed with women

had precisely two maybe three ecstatic female lovers, they are female lovers that really love gay men,it’s really helped me to see the perfection that a lot of men who have sex almost exclusively with women, also have the complete right to enjoy sexual freedom with other men without necessarily having to put a label on it

visually when I look at women’s bodies, I can admire them I can appreciate the embodiment of the goddess and yet its way different, it’s not like a look at a woman and go I really want to have that right now, I really only objectify men

what happens with women, I approach it as an opportunity to commune with the divine, pathway that connects us with the divine, it no longer matters how old they are, how fat or thin they are, kinda fem or kinda butch, doesn’t matter what gender they are, if you’ve found source of your erotic expression in yourself and you love erotic expression for the pure excitement and sake of erotic expression it is possible to journey ecstatically and cathartically with a wide diversity of partners, some people ask me, how can you have sex with someone you’re not attracted to

one of my primary lovers is twice my age, I’m in my 40s, one of my lovers is in his 80s, we have some of the most transcendental experiences that I have with any partner, I make love with people not because of the way they look or how old they are, but authentically because I want to commune with the divine, I like to travel I like to transcend time and space, I get a lot of insight and guidance for what I’m gonna do with my life when I’m in that state, that’s why I make love

people say what type of person are you into, what type of person turns you on, I say a person who’s fuckin as excited as fuck to make love with me, that’s the kind that really turns me on, if they’re excited, I’m excited, if I’m excited they’re excited, there’s a resonance, that transcends appearance, age, social class all that bullshit

women, I’m really grateful for women because, making love with women was like, a later stage threshold that I crossed because that was when I really recognized, wow, I can have a transcendental erotic experience, and be a faggot with a person of any gender, I can, it can’t just be anyone, it has to be someone who knows we’re on a journey, and we’re connecting with something bigger than ourselves, if a woman just wants my dick its not gonna work, lots of time I don’t even get hard when I have sex, if I’m in a cathartic whole body state nobodies paying attention to how hard my dick is, that would be a liberating lesson if more men in the world were able to feel that the ability to connect ecstatically with the divine and another human being is completely independent of what they’re cock is doing, that’s radical

some of the most whole body orgasmic states I’ve ever experienced and witnessed were with people who’s cocks weren’t hard, don’t get me wrong I love hard dick AND there are a lot of ways to go into cathartic whole body ecstasy

homophobia…i barely use the word anymore, don’t often feel like I’m battling homophobia, which is a beautiful place to be

our world really does shift with the shift of our inner perception, the transformation of ourselves and planet using sexual pleasure, what I’m really asking of people to invite ourselves to consider that ecstatic sexual pleasure is available to far more of us than we’ve ever dreamed

we feel we need a partner of a certain type, in reality if we join with other partners who recognized that we have the opportunity to fly, to sail through the skies and the seas, experience realities beyond what we see, what meets the eye, we have the opportunity to go into multiple realities, the future on planet earth is that we’re going to see a world more filled with people who are excited about having sex with a variety of partners, less focused on getting hard, ejaculating, and fulfilling a whole checklist of what they think needs to be done to have great sex, and focusing more on oh my god, we have an energy field right now where if we introduce the faintest intention, that is going to manifest, as soon as we say it is done

10 years ago I spoke the impossible, I was in a native american ceremony with 100 queer people and I was asked why I came and I said I want to see the day when our people can fuck and enjoy the fuck out of each other and squirt our seed inside of one another and know we’re actually healing one another not killing one another

full on sexual delight was some how equated with death

I want our people to be able to share our medicine free from fear, healing each other not killing each other, I had no way of conceiving how that would be possible, today there are multiple opportunities for people to enjoy sexual pleasure with people of all genders like never before free from fear, a lot of people are using Prep, they’re taking something that allows them to free themselves from the acute anxiety that has for all too long accompanied them and their sex

not an advocate, or promoter, nor do I discourage people to use things things

the world has transformed, we have sex with each other for healing and health

its what brings us life

what’s coming up, the most exciting thing happening in my tantric path, is the gay tantra podcast

12/31/19 I issued the first episode, it was pretty hard core, it was a hard core sex scene, interspersed with sacred magic, to alert people that raunch, kink, and downright ass fucking is integrated with magic and health and healing, followed with talk with 8 other men, with how tantra relates to sex among men, created an exercise people can do

I’ve contributed to the creation of over 120 evolutionary gay erotic videos, all on my website:

bradamberheart.com

on the home page, I have links to the evolutionary gay erotic videos, gay tantra podcast, soon more links to upcoming events world wide

Jason Tantra and partner, created an app, that allows conscientious gay men who are exploring other realms of sexual magic and healing to meet each other, created at the same time as the gay tantra podcast, master of mind of universe created the gay tantra podcast and tantra4gaymen app at the same time

even if you’re not gay, you just occasionally like to suck dick, listen to the gay tantra podcast

event’s coming up, will be posted on website, announced on gay tantra

series I’m most excited about is a series that teaches people how to use , or harness their sexual pleasure as a tool to connect with higher sources of wisdom and information: transcendental sexuality

receive insight, new knowledge, and information

super excited some of the videos I created are still being edited

it’s a really evolutionary time to live on earth, it’s an evolutionary time for men who are exploring conscious sexuality with other men, unifications happening through colleagues, Jason Tantra, Davey Wavey, collaboration on videos

a network has been created that’s spanning the globe, super excited about gay tantra as a platform

each month an exercise as part of the series, free guided sexercises, more to come

Exorcism in the Ancient World with Tony Mierzwicki TPP60

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tony-mierzwicki-pic In this episode I am joined by the distinguished esoteric scholar Tony Mierzwicki for a discussion about exorcism in the ancient world. Our exploration leads to a brainstorming session on the potential to modernize and standardize demonology with clinical laboratory experimentation.

To learn more about Tony and his great works please visit: www.hermeticmagick.net

Tony’s Bio:

Tony has been practicing ceremonial magick since 1990. He has been running regular workshops and rituals recreating ancient magickal practices in the United States and on the east coast of Australia since 2001.

Tony Mierzwicki is the author of “Graeco-Egyptian Magick: Everyday Empowerment” and a forthcoming primer reconstructing Classical Greek religion, “Hellenismos: Practicing Greek Polytheism Today”. He has contributed to various anthologies and magazines. He gives regular guest appearances and lectures at various pagan, witchcraft and new age events, as has been on television and radio shows.

Tony has completed three degrees at the University of Sydney – Master of Arts, Bachelor of Engineering and Bachelor of Science. He served a three-year term on the Board of Directors for Cherry Hill Seminary from August 29, 2008 to September 30, 2011, of which roughly half was in the capacity of Secretary. Tony is originally from Sydney, Australia and currently lives with his with his black Labrador, Anubis. in Huntington Beach California.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township hunting podcast I am interviewing Tony Maria’s Wiki about exorcism in the ancient world I got an email from the goddess Temple of Orange County that there was going to be a lecture there by that title of fortunately I couldn’t make it but I had to reach out to Tony and see if he would come on the podcast and tell us all about exorcism of the ancient world and if you could just start Tony with a bit of background on yourself and then help us understand this interesting subject matter if you would hi Benjamin thanks for inviting me on to the show as for my background I started practicing ceremonial magick probably around nineteen ninety I’m always I still trade practitioner of focused on the Golden Dawn tradition chaos magick and Selena as I progressed I found myself being drawn Progressive emotes what I should modalities so I want up resonating with Graco Ultra magic which is the system of magic practiced in Egypt in late Antiquity so we’re looking at a time. Of roughly the second century BCE to the 5th Century CE a magic isn’t a fuel system of magic is sexy eye blending of the number of magical stream so we have Sumerian and Babylonian Magic read metric Egyptian magic Jewish magic and a very light sprinkling of Christianity of you know I’m in 2006 gray color shoe magic it’s available on Amazon Prime me Interest has been in a magical practices and religions of the area around the Mediterranean section II focused primarily on Egypt Greece and to a lesser extent of the show I am comfortable work in Greco Egyptian magic because the spells that we use written in quite a grape which is the language of the New Testament so we can mail the pronunciation for the problem which I’m more ancient languages is the we done if she know how to pronounce them correctly if you look at it nothing like the ancient Egyptian language because the valves what recorded consulates egyptologist by count out was the pronouncing of Fixer-Upper we really have is I guess that’s the same thing with on Sumerian language over dealing with our guest has been my primary focus I also have another book which is supposed to come out it’s been delayed for various reasons why it’s called Helen is moss and that’s going to be a reconstruction of religious practices in Greece during the classical. Primarily so we’re looking at the 4th and 5th centuries BCE I suppose you want me to talk about exorcism on myself watching movies like The Exorcist and other movies that that featured possession by a demonic entities and and I couldn’t help noticing that all of them have a very Christian Feel to them talk to the priest coming along and calling on Jesus and the Holy Trinity cost of demon Alex and I kept thinking we’ll obviously that’s not the way it was done in the ancient world so I’m I started to investigate how eggs and there are similarities for the Christian stupid well I’m so I’m going to go over already sent differences the thing is that with what we doing with our Diamond which is the Greek word for Spirits it has not connotation of good or evil which is necessary evil spirits to the Ancients could be mutual that could be bad thing is that could be possessed by evil entities which would have for negative effect on them possessed by a more positive NC one of the best-known examples of fat is beyond it was the young the prophetess at the Oracle of Delphi who would be possessed by the spirit of Apollo and she would go into a trance and she would octopus versus benevolent Spirits or a benevolent God and distinguish between various types of possession so he referred to celestic possession which was inspired by the Gods on this it was poetic session is inspired by the muses and erotic possession inspired by Aphrodite and Eros and then after that I went on to say that there were people who would be possessed by nymphs typically diabetic she’s up the Greek the Greek special translate two Seas by the nymphs and these people would withdraw toothpaste and they would devote themselves to a 10-month like worship the nips so they would find cigar and I tend the garden and then they have people coming along and going on pilgrimages to visit these guys have devoted their whole lives to the nips so possession can be a positive thing so long as we dealing with benevolent gods and benevolent Spirits where is from a Christian standpoint Minnesota position is able Christian cultures and physician is understood by Christian culture but it’s something that’s desirable once you have a spirit possessing you you have access to all sorts of knowledge and hygiene Palace that you wouldn’t have access to otherwise on a similar vine when we look at the Mill has a familiar with familiar spirits in the Middle Ages good looking at the. From the 15th century onwards in the United Kingdom they were cutting fuck you were healers in the roast of people practicing witchcraft who would have a familiar Spirit during The Witch Trials of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries in the United Kingdom hundreds of which drawers that we had a significant proportion of them had people talking about having access to a familiar spirits and it’s this familiar spirits which would enable them to be able to heal and have all sorts of knowledge they wouldn’t otherwise have so it’s me again that is a possession experience so again it reinforces the idea that position can be a positive thing as long as you dealing with a appositive and see can we hold there for a minute and just go deeper into some of those archetypes in and terms and stuff yeah cool will that I appreciate that set up but I feel like I’ve been on a mission to make similar statements about how there are DD possession trance states that you can enter into melee where you can have healing powers powers to heal yourself if you allow others into gain access to information that otherwise would be beyond your reach so you know you can still there should be a also feel like I’m glad you mentioned that there’s been a a demonization of the Demons the lights it’s quite literally and I always feel like okay this Angels demons God the devil is sort of this really reductionist binary when really the the Ecology of Souls and Spirits beyond our perception is so vast and you know it’s so it’s it’s I think it’s a form of spiritual discrimination to just classify demons even to use that word I just felt like there’s good that doesn’t seem like it takes into account all kinds of different species there’s different species of you know ladybug is a beneficial insect but a termite we would consider unless we’re eating them we would we live in mud Huts it would matter but with her stick frame homes we think you know we want ladybugs in the garden and we want termite staying out of our out of our home but it would be like calling like saying insect demons are like insects there just this blanket you know this blanket term that doesn’t account for the variation so I appreciate that you you know I made that point and I definitely resonate with that and I’m excited to learn more as soon as you go further with the you know what what happens during exorcism but to take a little paws on the idea of possession can you break that down so you can there’s those two different stages of possession or different sort of qualities of position that you mention from Play-Doh is there a way that you would lay out the degrees of possession from you know of a thought arising in your mind that seems like an alien top form to you know channeling a voice to you actually having your whole body you know moved and so there’s gradations of how much possession the spirit good or bad you know has over your your mind your voice in your body right so do you have that kind of any kind of thoughts on that I do have a couple of thoughts and I don’t expect everyone to agree with me these these are my personal conclusions regarding benevolent entities that we invite ourselves please start with an e will you bring the empty into yourself so from ceremonial standpoint you to study for the banishing to remove all negative influences and then the particular NC that want to work with so dealing either with a God or older than angel or some sort of benevolent Spirits he then invite that screwed into you so you can have that Spirit working through you have access to knowledge in the lock and it seems to me that possession is a type of 3D pins acacian to you but possession is will you allow yourself to be taking over Texas tonight make it totally taken out of a tight like forget about that they have no knowledge of what they doing it all so once they come out of the trance it’s like they’re not really aware of anything that’s happened before where is switch possession by negative entities The Experience isn’t sore after normally there are those people who will actually bring demons into themselves I don’t particularly like that idea but you can’t they’re up there are people who will want to work safe and so the demon asmodeus they will invite him into themselves and I’ll go into the reasons why I’m not comfortable with that in the minute but the thing is that I went when you’re working with a negative MC it’s a case of the empty some help Works play in it works in 26 really emotionally vulnerable BMC comes in gets a foothold and then eventually stopped consolidate its hold on you and that whole intensifies until you have full-blown possession stages of infection and kind of sucks you very good analogy an interesting way when we look at Egyptian and Babylonian ridings they would describe various ailments Thomas’s to the action of demons no one was just a Doctrine eyes that you’re basically combination of an exorcist and the doctor said that he lives in those days would cost cost at the Spirit which was causing an element and then treat that almond as best as I could it was it was a tree farm today so normally when you negative entities when we look at Medieval Grandma’s like for instance see on the Lesser key of Solomon you have the operator standing within a magic circle that protected within a magic circle and I have a triangle of manifestation to the Northeast and they help and negative ends the agreement of sorts to appear within within that triangle of manifestation search The Institute within a column of smoke or a canopy with in a Black Mirror scrying Mirror and then so basically the instincts constraints and you’ll standing apart from that Instagram you’ll protect it then at the end of day to take you to your Vanishing and then you go back to normal everyday lost its the closest on the very elaborate process we protect yourself and you invite this negative and so you eat you I’m either negative and state so that you can question it Amtrak with a Cinderella I just want to make it into yourself defeats all the safeguards are inheriting called the patient process that’s why I have a problem and say so that’s an important distinction evocation would be to summon an entity to appear before you and a constrained condition with boundaries set and you’re protected within your circle an invocation would be to invite them actually to within your giving consent to be possessed it’s a matter of degree and actually invite something into you so that you can learn things from it but not give you spell 5 it’s hardly once once once you give yourself a try the tightly to the MC that’s what football position takes place is there a protocol procedure classically or anything that you studied or discovered that says like she need this is how you negotiate that contract of what you’re going to do what you’re going to allow or what you’re going to Grant access to like permissions like to a website or something here’s my database you know password for my body hears for my tongue you know Aldara there are packed into in in medieval times but again it was a case of the other the classic fact is where you are still use salt to kill demonic entity you know what do you believe that that’s anything is possible or not is another matter it’s part of our own part of the folklore the time you know the doctor’s house in the like all these people who would steal their souls in return for in return for Palace one of the more modern versions of the legend is Robert Trump going to be the crossroads and Meghan meeting up with a friend who works Conjuring he will actually use the term dark Rider rather Robin the devil the devil is it used to scare people away from entering into these sorts of arrangements so I’m currently wooden conjure circles the young victim. Products used that’s what I’ve been told it’s not really my area of expertise but I just brought it up as I am handsome Walden example cuz I’m venturing into park and your Legend has it that Robert Johnson was a very mediocre Taurus butt off to making this packed wound up being the most influential Blues guitarists ever and what and apparently Robert Plant’s actually went to the crossroads and got himself almond on for the genius part of the first wave of crowd Crowley or curly kind of speakers in the rock and roll in the street too so it’s in Jimmy Page was a great admirer of Aleister Crowley and he had the second largest original collection Frawley manuscript boss kamado which was all these residents would she purchased notice only ever melon operation hello in Sicily well she’s a real collector that’s more than just collecting a unlimited amounts of money then I’m here. So I kind of sort this out and and I’m seeing that a what we would consider to be a beneficial state of possession there’s going to be a consent and an understanding in place of what the boundaries of the possession are when you’re dealing with an entity that respects you and your wishes and your boundaries and does not wish to harm you or harm others through you and that’s why they’re benevolent in and then they’re not going to they’re going to have maybe their own hyperdimensional intelligence about your will and your your karma Your Destiny or you’re not going to interfere with certain things are not going to funeral making you know drive off a cliff like joyriding and you now and then so you can you would want to call upon time-tested trusted names of entities where people feel like they have a good track record of five stars for not driving off cliffs and then with that level so that makes sense that there’s sort of that they kind of know where you’re like boundaries are and maybe you stay at them through part of the ceremony or maybe you trust them or you’ve already work with them but that seems like it just sort of works itself out somehow and then but then with the so-called demonic entities or maybe we should better say harmful and that he’s there looking to sneak their way and without you really knowing it or detecting them doing it and then try to grow infection to where you don’t know that you’re being taken over and you mistake your thoughts UE basically start having thoughts that you don’t that start to accumulate or impulses or what not and then all the sudden like your personality has been hijacked or you could say hacked you know like you’ve been hacked by these spiritual malware programs viruses and they’re just running the show at whatever level and they they might actually look for your weak points in your boundaries and try to exploit them and some people would take on the task of Contracting with them invoking them evoking them and just taking their chances and hoping that they don’t lose their will or lose their free will to them I mean is that but you’re you’re basically playing with fire if dealing with ones that don’t respect your boundaries or don’t communicate with you in a transparent and honest manner I put I personally agree with all that I personally wouldn’t risk inviting anything but I considered to be negative inside me but there are those who I saw men should be father of those she will invite demons into themselves show me the most famous case was when I was to Crowley was in the desert with a Rubix annoyed yum in Fort Collins on UC archdemon of chaos and he probably sat in the triangle and you thought is demon into himself and there are those who say but she’s managed to fully banish cards on L Street Pizza. True or not I don’t know I mean there are people who are always considered to be Scholars of Crowley it’s just one of these is that if you only had two coffees the average person should definitely keep away from demonic entities into themselves but again that’s my opinion and you know I’m happy to share it with others to ask but if it has to make up their own mind as to how far they want to go potential possession top experiences before you go off seeking out an exorcist see mental health professional first rule at all possible mental illnesses first one so that’s ruled out then by all names seek out an exorcist okay I got an exorcist it has to be someone working within a tradition that you believe him so for instance if you’re a devout Christian there’s no point getting a ninja to form an exorcism full year he’s going to be calling on God so you don’t believe that he has to find someone who’s working with in a tradition that you resonite with well yeah there’s this is a real deep study okay so thank you for allowing me to zoom in on some of those terms and make those distinctions I think we’re setting up a good sort of introductory framework for you know especially first of all just busting the the of the myths that all spirits and all forms of possession are evil that such a big step forward for for people’s thinking in into it’s exciting to be able to open that up so now now will will let you get back into the the flow of your discussion of exorcism an ancient world and yeah please continue with that that line of thinking basically talked about possession within various countries I looked at ancient Egypt I looked at Mesopotamia I looked at Israel and then I finally arrived at night and see which is my main area focus and I looked it up lines of tyana to a certain

Sexual Magic for Spiritual Healing with Amirah Kweli TPP55

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tp-amirah-pic In this episode I’m joined by the high priestess Amirah Sankofa Kweli. I discovered her great works via her YouTube video offering advice on best practices for designing sex magic rituals.

She graciously blesses the podcast with a lot of very powerful and deep insights into the risks and rewards of practicing ethical ritual sexual magic.

We discuss ethical frame works, sacred objects, spiritual, mental, and dietary preparation and purification, sensual and erotic techniques and skill sets, after care and much more.

Please access her services and support her healing works by visiting: http://www.ask314life.com/

About Amirah:

I UTILIZE MY SKILLS TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH RELATIONSHIP AND SELF HELP COUNSELING; I OFFER CLIENTS ZODIAC HEALING AND READINGS; TEACH HOW TO HANDLE STRESS & ANGER MANAGEMENT; PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET WITH CHILDHOOD ISSUES/HELP WITH PAST ISSUES, UPSET WITH LIFE IN GENERAL; NEED SOMEONE TO SPEAK WITH WHO WILL NOT JUDGE YOU, HELP PEOPLE GET OUT OF BAD RELATIONSHIPS AND INTO GOOD ONES, OFFER COUNSELING BEFORE YOU ENTER INTO RELATIONSHIPS, HELP COPE WITH STEP-CHILDREN AND CO-PARENTING, PARENTS, HELP DEAL WITH IN-LAWS, HELP DEALING WITH LOVE AND OUTSIDE PEOPLE WHO INTERFERE, ZODIAC COUNSELING, LIFE ORGANIZING, WORKING ON PAST AND CURRENT ISSUES, SPIRITUALITY COUNSELING, REPROGRAMMING YOUR BRAIN TO FOCUS ON MORE POSITIVE REALITIES, ORGANIZING CAREER OR OWNING YOUR OWN BUSINESS, COUPLES COUNSELING, ENERGY CLEANSING, TAROT/ENERGY READING, YOGA, MEDITATION CAMPS OF ALL KINDS, AND MUCH MORE.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello Jay beloved’s welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 55 I’m here with a mirror Sankofa Kweli and we’re going to talk about sex magic and Amira thanks for joining me welcome to the show and you want to start by giving us some of your background how you got on a passive becoming a spiritual counselor I don’t know what thank you first of all thank you so much for having me on your show so I’m humbled to be on here and I’m excited is basically I had to go to my website if I do so much okay practitioner I’m a Reiki Grand Master and I studied many also forms I study so many different forms of brachii just call me tonight I won’t do that today reading killings and things like that I also have a Reiki School of training and certification I’m a reader I do tarot card reading I do we need I also do what they call Elrod readings I also do like pendulum readings and I also just whatever I can just try to talk to you and tell you what it is that you need to hear also have life experiences I’m 42 years old before T3 coming I don’t know May 3rd 1 and I also have grown children who I cannot wait for them to get everything together but that’s another story I so I’m taking classes on how to resolve conflict with music and I’m also I’m also a spiritual advisor a person who helps to remove psychic attacks I’m off so I’ll so and my hip is the neural Logistics program I have my bachelor’s and Master’s and that says it’s also wrong with therapist and I’m also sound therapist and I told you about the holistic astronomist abundance codes energy transference coach in a zodiac specialist I do dream interpretation of a dream interpretation post Healthy Living coach advocate in mental health advocate speaker and I am also a suicide prevention activist and Flash and also help people with dietary mostly helping them to get you know to get milk reparations and things like that and I’m also didn’t mention Suicide Prevention Advocate as well I didn’t mention that swell and of course the list grows because I’m a person who likes to study study many different things are not just a good person how about that when I want to be that’s amazing thank you so much for sharing that list so I’m curious since a lot of the stuff you have to really be a Seeker yourself to get on this path so do you want to talk a bit about you know how how you grew up and what life events kind of shaped your your interests to discover these healing modalities and kind of what you had to go through to become a shaman that’s going to be funny Yes actually you did ask me if I asked me that earlier but it died Ellis was so long as well I’m glad you brought it back up for me ever since I was little I was raising the two-parent households I had a great beautiful wonderful parents are and I they adopted me actually when I was about six months and my father is very very strong gentleman went through a struggle of addiction through alcohol until I watched him go to addiction I watched many things that I watch the strength of my mother to stand beside him she wanted you know to help him to go to the next level and just be there he was ready and then once he conquered that and he did conquered it actually years later and once he conquered it because you know but all-in-all he still has a father he still had a good spirit I’m so to be honest with you I’m most parents who have addiction with with some parents I’ve seen it specially if I’ve seen a lot of parents not really at all with her children 2 years later when I was 10 my father told me like literally he actually watching at the heart attack so he went cold turkey and stopped and butts continue or do I have to struggle they still put me first and I saw that so you know how could you not forgive somebody like that by the alcohol aspect of wanting to help people with addiction in to help come up with remedies to get them off and different things like that but I had this Aunt who was really into she’s kind of a Healer and also had a great grandmother I don’t know like what size she was doing but she always was into liking someone guy said he didn’t really talk much know she really did but she was always tell somebody to go get this car by Ministry go get this cuz they ain’t your grandparents had a farm so she’s not go get there Southern aspect of my upbringing because I went from St Louis Missouri originally from Mississippi so a lot of feelings and everything because they growing up with poor you know they was raised on the farm they were sharecroppers and they were farmers okay so they didn’t have time to go and how old is The Killers back then okay so my great-grandmother was somewhere in The Shield’s come back with some stuff give it to you and you will see it was broken or something like that. Put something on you and in three weeks not a cash I don’t know what she put but she did better things to do so again here I’m watching this doing my stomach * New York Spring brakes and Thomas summertime’s anytime they get rid of me and I will watch all this and I will watch and then you know I got older call insurance and things like that but then that’s so I began to start trying to find daughter had gotten cancer at the age of three young mothers single mother for a while and then I got married later on 6 Ram Aries I should have more children I started trying to change her dietary I became a vegetarian myself I’m still struggling and I’m kind of half-and-half vegetarian and have vegan hair sometimes been know how I feel right now to eat whatever they want you now but I’m talking about whenever young so you know I began to start trying to do that and helping her to heal and just doing different things so that time to begin my playing and then I had a friend years later of course years later being now a certain energy about me I always felt certain things I can tell you things I would dream things I would have atopic pregnancy so my heart and never since then I really began so I coming to me like clear up that and there was some years ago so I really started I had to heal from then I got really depressed for a whole year and then from that begin to get out the house I started really trying to heal myself mentally and then I started the life coaching thing the universe so you know online and of course I had this one of my friends she was already auntie again so from that for my friend already going in and she was trying to Crystal Clear me and things like that she doing so of course and then once I begin to call my grandmother asked her something she was doing anyway Brad so my friend gave me $100 to put down on this this school and all the sudden oh my God my life on your back line store seeing all these different healers and you want to coerce make yourself stand out more than this next person and then once you once I started that I’m like wow that I started really feeling it and then I really began to remember how when I change gas. He got shot like years ago and before any of this and I was kind of not touching him and just do energy healing but didn’t understand I was doing energy healing with this doing it I can’t explain it but I just know he was feeling better on certain pathway then I was cooking for my change his diet and you know we got more to kill here again to start healing so you know once you understand that and let me go back fast forward like I said this friend of mine she pay this $100 and then message history I just started getting more to our story study anymore started getting more to think Sex Magic has always been a situation what I’ve always understood it always knew about it and I’ve used it however let me be honest with you use it in understanding it you know this evening cuz most of these things already had knowledge of I already knew how to do it but again what people coming to you as a client and then there’s Health Care extra Edge right hope you already understand something already knew it already been doing it didn’t know you was doing it and then once you get that that certification or degree or what it what have you and it’s then that makes you you no more employable but in my case it would be natural employable but it will be more so people would want to come to me to get my socks you know point but I’m not perfect yet it says great and thank you for sharing I really appreciate and it is I’m marveling at how much family was involved in how traditional folk medicine folklore folk science to mean more and more were losing that connection to have an Elders that have you know local herbal knowledge and stuff so that’s really beautiful to hear if you had that experience access yeah so yeah so that the main topic that I wanted to explore with you is this idea of what I’m calling ethical Sex Magic which would put a some parameters and limitations on what what you would advise people to do with magic you know with obviously charging up your magical powers with the sexual ritual it can it can go really good or go really bad depending on the intention is behind it and and and how aware like you’re saying as you mature you’re going to correct your mistakes and you’re going to look back on things in and probably not teach them the way that you did them when she started off right yeah so yeah and then of course you know I’m no pressure to give any real personal details but just speaking broadly and generally I feel like you know there is it fair to say that you were a that you avoid and deceit and dishonesty and manipulation and in your magical workings is it safe to say we all do not practice in anything unethical life like for example essay that I do a reading on someone I’m going to if I don’t feel a certain thing or I feel like I can’t help them I’m not going to take that money I’m going to come look at this next person etc etc that I know but I do have other colleagues that I can you don’t work with that I know it really is good as well earlier that was young and dumb as they say but on the charms of practicing because that that can be made out of that with the wrong intentions because of a man putting his Temple into another woman’s Temple whatever could cause some damage you know on the spiritual level Next Level physical level and different things so yeah I really would have eyes people to really watch you they do sex magic group with it cuz I thought you said manuals that are that are out there that I’ve got no hole too because why I teach the class I couldn’t even use because I didn’t want to stereo group sex manual a group message and it’s somebody else want to come and talk about group text message to that’s not what I’m about to go ahead I’m sorry same page we’re synchronized on being lightworkers and having you know everyone has to go through a process to get to a point of wisdom where they realize that the the the karmic debt that you can rack up if you start to you know put curses and spells on people you know very intentionally and consciously cuz most people are putting curses and spells on people all the time and they’re just unconscious and they don’t even think of it as violating spiritual principles or anything like that they’re just like well King on people or you know trying to seduce people and maybe let me some people call it cock blocking and all kinds of behaviors to kind of manipulate right and so if you get to a level that you’re at where you do your like cleaning off your we know I think that as healers what we’re doing is worth we’re like plumbers for the solo we’re like janitors you know and we got to clean up these messages and then you get to a point where you just like damn I’m not going to make these messes myself you know if you get that perspective so evil spells I think that for example like I have a spell that I helped him to do to a letting go stale letting go of paint or more spells you know when did you put it out into the universe because that’s money we will stay out so I told they’re more for affirmations because you’re saying it out to the universe so if I say I want to let go of something I want to hear this why I want to work if I’m trying to attract abundance meaning even my abundance things talk about not causing heel will to somebody else to get what I what I’m asking for these are things that you have to mention into the universe because we’re talkin about cleansing energy in removing ourselves out of this Paradigm of negativity so yes I do do spells I do like spells Felder Goods provided it’s a difference between a spell as a difference between a hex no that’s great so that’s this is kind of what I want to for people who are not very educated or or experienced these are important key words to know so you would Define a hex as a like negatively-charged spell that has ill intent behind it is that okay so evil horn Etc acting out acting ugly and still in your training. What would be the difference between a hex and a curse racional it’s something that like maybe happened way back when let’s say for example someone got upset with someone and said well I’m going to curse you and then your generation is Generation generation generation am I skipped a couple Generations this generation than what your next none of them but it’s still like a family thing that is ongoing somewhat okay which can be won the Fresno State is something that like a free examples I don’t like you or you did something to me as a friend but keep in mind can be one of the same it all just depends on the operation of it because some of it example maybe you are unable to this particular family member of all the females and family are unable to get married to you don’t have a long-lasting marriage pics of something like I’m just not only I wish you like you you might die like to for you to die kind of think like I want you to die from serious harm to you so it’s more of a vendetta of maybe a generational thing and in some cases or just you know hoping that this doesn’t happen for you and every time you try to do something that this what happened then this will happen but a hex is like MI you know I’m a very good drawers and I think about the world we live in today where there’s are all kinds of different that because you don’t think because of the internet that I guess you could say as a blessing we have the internet so we can study different wisdom Traditions mystical traditions and obviously scriptures and what not and we can kind of synthesize and merge a lot of the ancient wisdom and we can look around at the world we live in today and it’s like there’s if you just want to look at it’s like negativity and physical violence and sexual violence and manipulation and everything sinful right like that there’s a lot more negative influences you know harmful drugs all the things that we can the human astral body and an aura there’s so many more negative influences and so you know some people would just say we’re all now most people alive on Earth that aren’t living in in real deep in an indigenous cultures real deep in nature following their traditions in with like a unbroken lineage of their traditions of shamanic healing everybody else in the Civilized world in the modern world where like under so much attack and so you probably see like in your caseload and I could you want to talk about what kinds of issues people are having what are the patterns that you’re

Cultural Healing with Sobey Wing TPP38

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Sobey Wing picIn this episode I’m joined by Sobey Wing, one of my personal heroes in the global transformational community. He shares his personal journey of initiation and interest in cultural healing with an accent on sexuality and relationships. We then discuss the practical application of approaching this.

Please engage with Sobey and explore the additional resources linked below:

Sobey’s services/Astrology/Ancestral Revitalization/Rites of Passage Design & Consultation
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Dj Services
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Love Sex Intelligence
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Rites of Passage Ceremonies with Sobey
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My goal is to support the renewal of rites of passage in places it is lacking

Youth Passageways
http://www.youthpassageways.org

Rain Crowe Teachings
http://callingourselveshome.weebly.com/

Center for Babaylan Studies/Babaylan Conference September 2016
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Full Moon Medicine in Unceded Coast Salish Territories
https://www.facebook.com/groups/159406684415673/?fref=ts

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township hunt podcast episode number 38 I am joined by SOB Wing here today and we’re going to go on an exploration of his personal journey of Discovery into I would say the sexual shamanic arts and and give us some tips and some insights into the work that he does around initiation so please so if you will give us a bit of your your background narrative and then we’ll get into some of the stuff you’re doing today thank you yeah it’s pleasure to dive into a spot space and discuss some interesting areas hopefully for people listening I’ll give her by way of introduction where I am located on this Earth at this moment I am in the unseeded Coast Salish territories otherwise known as Vancouver BC and my ancestry comes from the pieces of the Philippines as it is known and also from China from what is known as France today as well as Spain I want to start off and just kind of contextualize in a way that feels congruent with my current understanding which Sean is very graduating you know there’s a graduated look at understanding things especially around something that’s close to my my thoughts all the time is around art or Colonial context so when I was naming the location where I am you know I was I was giving a reference to the Colonial context and similarly when we’re using words like Shamanism there is there something to look at there that I I think is important to not you know this anthropological referencing of a other terminology for what is known in different parts of the world by various while so many different names this is something that is is problematic in the sense that it kind of blankets a term for for something that has many different distinctions in the different cultures and when we’re looking at subjects like sexual initiation or initiation in general something that I focused a lot on which we can talk about in this conversation is you know why did we lose initiation rites and Rites of Passage and why is it that we’re not initiated into things like sexuality and adulthood in general in a way that’s is the way that our ancestors did and Soda Springs in that whole thing around colonisation in the fact that in order for society to be set up the way it is today it had to go through the established conditions and set up of societies kinship groups that were structured in and indigenous cultures around the world including European through disrupting and displacing and killing largely women who helped these roles knowledge and initiation and you know that trauma is buried within all of us you know if we want to look at the continuing wave at this wounding continues in our in our world today with all of the disharmony between between people whether you look at it on the gender binary or with you just look at it on the term of terms of disrupted or ended relationships or or or marriages and the way that emotional trauma surfaces in addiction all of those things getting at the root of it is you know to me about is the spiritual healing that is required and if we if we can get into that today that would be really I think an important contribution to this whole world of sexual healing and initiation definitely definitely so it was you want to talk about so do you like history and what got you thinking about all this stuff and breaking out of her free from these Colonial not sure instructions as a person of color you know growing up in a multicultural as it’s called kind of society a group in Toronto which is that in in in what we call Canada and so I I guess in a part of my my experience of being in that in that kind of culture we’re on some level you know our diversity of cultures is embraced but at the same time or two play embedded in and still are you no white supremacist centered culture you know where the the values and the economics and and just the socio-economics favor you know why culture and not in in the way of saying you know European descent based culture and so you know I didn’t have all the understandings of this but what I experienced was just that you know I didn’t really feel like I I I fit in unless I can forms to certain standards and also I grew up in a Roman Catholic Family and for awhile School and so the hetero Norms around sexuality were pretty pronounced and you know at the same time very blank in terms of like what what is therefore I’m having an awareness around sexuality and I’ll bring in this this posturing in the astrological contacts cuz that’s also something that I’m I steep myself in as an astrologer is she not being a Scorpio Sun sexuality in a big part of my identity and understanding of myself is 3. And so without any of that I had to seek other sources of understanding and so quickly you know this is all free internet you know my my searching for self-knowledge definitely included a lot of like you know going through libraries going through bookstores whenever or something on my radar picked up you know around around you know something around sexuality and spirituality I know I just I had that sense that there was a connection there and and so that’s that’s part of it I guess yeah and that would include me of the occult and I will conclude what was you know Neo Shamanism or Neo Tantra all of those things on talk quickly into my my site and this is for lack of having Elders having teachers that are connected to a lineage that I’m connected to so I’ve had to sort of do the circular route of you know Finding what’s out there and I think that’s probably common to so many people and I’m also of the the generation of the Pluto and Libra generation so you know I feel like that’s kind of part of our generational work is also know a lot of us in this generation have not had the strongest success in in Partnership there’s a lot of divorce rates in and just you know not having easy harmonization and this is you know where I think part of that has the word where we’re generation that maybe has to heal some of those those ones that I’ve been talking about and also seek out new ways to approach so this is all so I think how I perhaps started discovering the alternative routes to relationship and which is an ongoing process but I discovered there’s more to life than the monogamous lens and is even more ways to approach monogamy then there is just on a standard you know christian-based kind of understanding would it be right to say that you’ve been involved in search of activism or Community work being a in-service and and taking your own personal study and applying it into the context of organizations or campaigns and and whatnot were you would get to apply this stuff beyond your personal practice and personal relationships and if so what some of the the highlights of that Journey my first my first step into activism that I recall was in Toronto with a group this is again before the internet so you know connecting people was a way of connecting myself to other people so I got involved with a group called hands which is helping after this network during strife and that gave me a Insider look cuz I was delivering these calendars weekly to to the to all the activist that were connected to that Network in Toronto so gave me a window into what was going on on multiple levels of activism at the same time I was I had dropped out of regular high school and entered into an alternative school called some seed alternative which was sort of the flagship has been the flagship of alternative schools in Toronto and not really influence my philosophy of of learning to the stay a credit thought that experience where we looked at education as a school Without Walls you know that learning occurs where it went where it happens even if you’re learning while you’re sleeping in a dream for instance that counts as knowledge that we can and not that really inspired me to bring that framework I’m into alternative settings and that could include for sure Rave culture which is now become Festival culture and I I think also that I love dancing and I saw that there was you know some form of community that could shape itself there when I when I began it it was really kind of a fledgling kind of sense of community around dance culture but I was exposed to an event where ritual and and dancing was brought together and Equinox and it was led by a I wish you had a curandera family lineage so she was confusing all of these elements and it just took it took God took my psyche by I am you know what really got me really inspired and I look at you know how I gone from there and I you know I helped certified bring this this connection between learning and and dance culture together I’m in a way which seems very normalize now but at the time you know I don’t I don’t think there was any of that happening and it’s it’s something where we don’t have to conform to as many rules you know when it comes to doing what we want to do that you would see in the institutions so I see it as a working within the margins workshops and you do teachings in and trainings in presentations throughout the world do you want to talk a bit about what you since you were kind of initiated in that way to Sacred dance music and intentional Sacred Space design and ceremony ritual design in your own expressions yeah you know I think again with my my kind of rearing and alternative education through your seed I really got the gist of how you know if you want to learn something a great way to do it is to group together other people who are interested in learning the same thing and so you know even right now I owe I don’t claim myself to be any kind of expert but I am adapt and Creative Learning environments and learning Ben Cardin part of learning networks has become sort of my staple so as my I remember one of my first workshops that I led was with a graduating body of friends from seed who went on a our own self created right of passage on to the east coast and and habitat Schoolhouse a historic Schoolhouse that had been the domain of various artists and writers in the posturing 70s that was already kind of reverberating with the creative Energies and I was inspired to do a workshop on creating ritual and so that was my very first workshop and then you know I was really inspired by the work of Antero Alli who wrote Angel Tech of modern shamans God’s reality selection you know and if so that was you know kind of a something that I felt could be really conducive to the Rave culture you know that I think we were really not able to access that kind of language and also the 8th circuit model of intelligence know to fuel Erie and so that was something that we incorporated into our dance Community early on with something called Sunday school which result that you know kind of like a a play on the religious use of that term and kind of over over covering that with you know our own version of like reclaiming our own identities spiritually and you know with our own knowledge that we want to bring in and a lot of things kind of seem to emerge out of that I like a lot of people have participated in that began to take on their own path as teachers whether it be sacred dance or harm reduction things like that and and harm reduction speaking of that it’s something that also kind of pertains to this discussion because in our dad’s, Community which was you know suffering under the weight of a lot of addiction and time and people that were you know masking trauma with with drug use in the Rave culture it was a I think a important response that was made to identify that having tools with how to provide education and awareness around safer use of the substances from harm reduction philosophy which goes along with you no safer sex practices that are on now part of that. Kind of culture also kind of lets you more openings for people to talk openly about their relationships and sexuality and so that was kind of the the birthplace for what we now are doing in our local community called love sex intelligence was the sun groupings of friends in our houses and just creating these discussion circles where we could openly share some of our upper process around navigating relationship and non-traditional ways and that’s when we started also bringing other people who might you know share some modalities used to help us improve our communication or learn something more about working with sexuality and that started to spread into Gatherings until Retreats into and into festivals and that’s all as he say it has some has traveled to other other parts of the world it’s not not the only thing I’ve had focused on so some of my quibble travels have focused on other areas but but I have done a love sex intelligence Workshop in Australia for instance it’s just amazing to to see how what empowers us here has you know impaired people there as well assume so that do you feel pretty well cut up to the present moment as far as the the life history and background and then if so we can go into some of the tips and practical how to do stuff sure you’ve sure okay cool will get a thank you again that that was beautiful Journey that I got to to go on with you there and it’s a I have similar you know to put in a couple of bits in my own background I I I spent most of my you know coming-of-age years and you know from I guess about 12 to 33 the house about 20 years FM seeking being a Seeker but experiencing initiations through the DIY punk rock and Uncle punk in metal grindcore World which has disliked deep tension of striving towards holism and healing and empowerment yet having very very unexamined Shadow especially through just extreme mostly alcoholism and in an access and and then just look at my personal Evolution from going from the mosh pit to the psytrance dance for experience and looking at the deformed geometry of people who are wasted and unconscious and just smashing into each other to to the shark the stark contrast the people who are not everybody and of course it has its shadow to but from you is night and day to go into the psytrance you know world and be like wow there is energy that’s circulating here with the Psychedelic medicines in the plant medicine is where people are not just bumping into each other wasted they’re actually creating sacred geometrical forms and surrendering to this Divine Shakti kind of healing energy and it’s creating a much more uplifting vibration that I could very much see how it identify was so I’m kind of a but that’s just for me just within the last few years so I got a lot of catching up to do to the people who’ve been in that world for much longer and I just want to thank you cuz if you’re you know yeah it sounds like you were part of the lineage that has brought this salvation into MiFi thank you for that and give you that little bit of back of myself but so moving into the something that you you do some some work if I understand correctly some of your professional livelihood work is is education sexual sexuality education and bringing some of these initiatory technologies that you’ve discovered into that world so could you talk a bit about what you do in that in that says space yeah okay so when we talk about you know professional or I don’t know like you know what we’d get you know how to identify the work that we do or place its values at what we get paid to do chores what we do just without being asked to get paid enough so a lot of this work I would say is you know by nature of what it is as in as I was saying before as in the marginalized safe spaces that are created through other things like Gatherings that are already happening you know I don’t have to go through that hole you know system knots wooden props judge some of these things so I think there’s kind of a harkening back to the way it was in that this kind of knowledge was safeguarded after contacts you know like a lot of the indigenous healing Traditions or however we want to call it you know how to be a sort underground and so I I say that’s kind of reflected in how we how I approached this kind of thing even though you know today will will will post the events publicly on Facebook and things like that there is still a ring to it that is about you know not waiting for us to be given our our approval by by Society you know we just know that it’s important so we do this and and so like I’ve been doing this constantly one of my goals that I set out of certain point was that at least you know once a year there would be a community gathering around love sex intelligence and the rest of the time you know we haven’t online for him but very important for that hole project has been and which we’ve stepped it up in the recent months to make sure that hopefully like every month we can do something is to to say that the community around learning about how to how to harmonise our relationships how to defend our sexuality into something that is you know how uplifting our spiritual path is something that needs to be done you know with with with more support and so that’s why it’s it can’t just functioning online capacity so that’s something I’ve committed to we have we’ve been actually our next event is focusing squarely on sexual initiation I’m pink resented by someone named ya Lila Espinoza is looking at how to tweeze mower practices that she learned in Peru you know have informed around healing and and then creating her own initiation but yeah I also you know as an astrologer I work with people and often it is around relating I’ve done a little bit of like you know support for people I think what happens is you know when when you become a central figure in any given Community people will come to you when they’re in crisis and this is what has informed my my the work that I do around you know Rites of Passage is responding to crisis from a place that seeks to get to the root of what is causing the crisis which in so many cases is that there is a lack of of support and people therefore will resort to self initiation just something I’ve had to do in my own life and and see it so much the case for some of the other people and there’s another psychological shifts that occur when people an emotional shift that occur when people feel a sense that they’re being held that they are being that they can fit they can let go and have a safe space to go into those wounds and begin working on them and of course it would help if we had a little more guidance and how to do that but thought comes over over time you know we have to work from where we’re at and so that’s something that I’ve been in in the my own process of of my own work around here figuring what those things are with those tools are and Tom yeah like I said I’m not an expert but I can at least Point people in some directions I guess what we’re looking at here is that there’s an underground space very intentional underground space that is more conducive to kind of freestyling or rolling your own ceremony and just holding the light and and letting those who it call who are called to it you know it would become integrated into keep it at the gala Therrien and flowing so that you don’t have cult of personality and politics and all of the scenester Hipster things coming in and that’s always up in it and he has to be on guard against and whatnot so I see there’s that unfoldment in that development and then there’s people who are also working like stay in the social work field who are informing their peers and colleagues in those sectors with these Neo shamanic techniques or nonviolent communication or your where it’s legal and accessible and permissible you know legally again to be able to put people on amor I guess like prisons prison you Lila has a very and I’ve done some I interviewed her in the past and I’m a big fan of what she’s doing and I know she has a strong background in clinical social work and is feeding back into that sector the wisdom of of the Amazon and and Beyond and so is that something that you have I just thought I remember reading somewhere you know or talk to you at some point about how this is this is like you could be hired by the more formal above ground and sectors of social work or Community work with where you can be brought in to bring some of the stuff that would normally be or I guess it’s just that it’s a very interesting Cutting Edge of an intersection and I if I’m not mistaken that’s that you you are like sort of partially in that world 2 of of social work or is that something I understand correctly yeah I’ll I will string this conversation back and see where where I where I am placed social work as well as all the modalities of counseling and healing you know like they are all part and parcel to supporting and upholding status quo capitalist system so I’m going to like you know like you know also haven’t been in the punk scene also had a big enough impact on my my party now 13 m in terms of healing these wounds we have to look at that and I we can’t we can’t say like that are healing is going to be independent of the world that is reeling and suffering from the continuation of this system as it is and so that’s where for me like bringing capitalism into the equation is is something that’s real tricky it’s something that I feel needs to be kind of understood. You know we we can’t just rely on having sting services that we can pay for because that creates a gap you know where some people are going to have accessible abilities to to the healing and others won’t and that’s that’s not healthy for anyone and and also that it doesn’t address the root cause of why we need social workers to begin with and why we need counseling and all of that so I really like the notion of cultural healing that’s where more where I would be comfortable in any way kind of looking at myself as any kind of healer I don’t think we we can really heal individuals that’s really something that you know a person will need to and it’s not like they can be facilitated to do their own healing work but nobody can fix us we have to fix ourselves that’s that’s more I think a more powerful Paradigm to be apart of but you know I I I have worked in the realm of I focused therapy and you know I have spent quite a bit of time around the spirit plant medicines and seeing how the plant medicines have assisted and I do I do continue continuously work to increase my knowledge and wisdom around working with us plants and and that also brings us back into that hole realm of discussion around you know ancestors and working with them or perhaps that’s something we haven’t really touched upon but maybe she said it’s just that in any form of healing that we do I guess for me the important thing that I really try to bring into whatever I do connecting back with her ancestors and healing the trauma of how we were disconnected from those ancestors and how that plays out in any kind of sexual wounds or emotional wounds that we carry and so that’s something that I I I feel like the role of initiation and ritual can can really do and that’s that’s been its Province ever since people began doing patrols I think it’s to build upon the legacy of their ancestors and to draw and their their help and support cool said that yeah thank you for helping me understand the other parameters a little better and and 100% there with you I have I have been because I live in the United States where there’s different laws around no prostitution in in how that affects the healing with sexual touch and pleasure as medicine and stuff like that is a lot more yes I understand in in Canada there’s there’s a lot more interesting legal space in order to do Hands-On Sexual Healing work relative to the US where it’s completely off limits in so I because of that adapting to that reality and also is a permaculture designer myself I have to think very deeply about how to navigate this issue of for-profit healing work that kind of in most sectors is about like you said I’ll put in my own words it’s like they want to know if if the if you’re at a time of time robot that supposed to be producing a set amount to be a productive member of the of the GDP then then if you’re not functioning properly than the the goal of the mainstream social work or psychotherapeutic or psychiatric Fields they’re trying to get you back into the rat race as soon as possible and they’ll do that with drugs with talk therapy or whatever that is about avoiding through tissue which is the disconnection from urethane from a healthy holistic wild habitat you know a night as a primitivist I see that you know the solution to your Neurosis is to retry belies and Get Growing your own food again in and rebuild that fabric so you know there with you on that tension about right livelihood in and taking money for healing and what is he doing so I really like what you said and that just is going to it’s going to help me a lot looking at healing the cultural level and healing the if I’m understanding right and I’ll put a couple my own words on it but I feel like we’re trying to build the scaffolding or were trying to design the context for people to take the responsibility of a personal healing and gone to that journey and so if you if what would you say are some practical skills are tools from all of your things that you would teaching and training and a things that you discovered in your own journey to where you’re in power tools for empowerment that you suggest or are resources that you suggest people Explorer to if they’re called to do the cultural healing work weather for profit or non-profit. Some dance between the two or it and then what what are some recommendations for people who are on their own path and aren’t necessarily called to do the the cultural healing yeah I mean it’s it’s a pretty vast subject that one but I think that a few points that I could think about and talk about our that I’m going to this idea of bringing you back in the station rights and recognizing that in the absence of them what do we have you know we are we are sadly in there without initiated Elders so many of us and if there are any of Elders that hold that ability to to guide those those ones are those are worth their weight in gold you know there really is people that we should try to lift up and and give them their recognition and see you know and then in the absence of that it’s like we kind of by default Our Generations people that will have to hopefully fulfill that and reach a place where we can actually help upcoming generations to go in a way that they don’t have to completely go it alone and and figure it out on them on their own the way that so many of us have had to and so there is a movement around Rites of Passage I sit on the board if you passageways which is a network that focus is squarely on you no Rites of Passage for you coming of age from all different walks and and and modalities you know some of them are our Boys to Men oriented some of them are girls to women some of them are starting to incorporate non gender binary kind of approaches as well which is good and and this whole focus on bringing back the ancestors into looking at Rites of Passage is is starting to happen and something that I focused on and so that’s that’s a resource you know people can go to youth passageways. Oregon and look at what programs are out there and they can also think about how they can add to that list and bring in things that are needed around especially around sexuality and relationship which is often I noticed kind of a big gap in a lot of programs out there you know because they’re confined confined or constrained by the conservative values where they take place and you know what school system is you know this is one of those places lagging for that kind of thing so it’s a role that I think that many people who understand the need can step into and cultivate as career paths you know and some people are pig figuring out how they can weave their credentials says on Sexual Health Educators or sexual therapist or sexual trauma or no trauma-based therapists you know into this realm of initiation and that’s that needs to happen on a on an increased level the other I see a lot of because of what I was saying around looks really don’t how many Avenues to learn other than through you know what the books in the workshops and offerings around sexuality thoughts unfortunately are not rooted in in people’s only need two lineages generally speaking you know so the whole Tantra movement is pretty much so you know a cultural appropriator of New Age fight version of those Traditions that would have been squashed by Christianity especially and so I think there’s work to be done there and as much as possible Retreat retrieving reconstructing are reconnecting with our own ancestral Traditions which I’m sure you know had their own knowledge wisdom around how to how to raise healthy harmonious individuals with healthy sexualities from from the vantage point of how what little I do know has been has been done in indigenous cultures and without wanting to appropriate for them from them I’ll just give way of examples out of that you know in and certain cultures that are studied like the Mayan culture and I think to some degree on certain places within Creek culture there’s examples of how as societies you know that the children are raised from an early age 2 reach a point where they understand how to how to harmonize with the other sex and how to to look after each other and that’s just a very basic principle that I feel like you know that’s that’s worth kind of learning how to integrate into our family structures if we have children that were raising just to keep in mind that you know there is a need for them to learn skills around things like consent and around being responsible with with one’s sexual energies and and I needs to start before they reach that age of adolescence where they’re just harder to connect with if you haven’t built up that Foundation so that’s something that I think about will do you so if I if if we check out that the organization that you mention is it would that be good place to find and something like a more enlightened or more conscious like sexual education curriculum or guidebook do you know if people were working on something like that so if I know if you know parents who were going through the puberty of their child that they have something that’s not just this cold clinical Western and even though that sort of evolving a little bit you know with things like a sack didn’t and whatnot I see a lot but the The ancestral wisdom and you know the ceremonial Rites of Passage you know how does it how does the Modern Family say okay well you’re about to start feeling you know hormonal Energy’s how do we give you know create even if it’s just within their family or their Community yoga or whatever is something more than what’s being offered in the normal sex ed or what they’re listening in gangster rap music and watching on sitcoms obviously you know it’s enough for lack of lot of alternative options it’s one one place to look and we’re always looking for others so whenever we discover something then we will see to auditory resources and we are trying to vet those resources and those organizations to make sure that they really are you know at least there’s some some level of you know safe recommendation that we can give for those those organizations we’re not we’re not in the position to really kind of completely you know set standards but we are trying to we have a code of what we call it a cross-cultural protocol so we do look at that aspect that you have for what we’re talking about that’s you know if that’s another layer that we will hopefully get to eventually and I do know that there are people within our Network who are really strongly focused on this particularly around girls to women kind of education and and Rites of Passage and some of the Boys to Men once but I think it’s also something we need to to enhance as well oh that’s great yeah that’s that’s that’s what I wanted to hear so that I can just refer people to this ongoing and so and then the LSI is kind of its there’s a Facebook I’ve been interacting with the the Facebook group for a while so is that something you recommend people plug-in I mean that’s the goal of that is to feature blogs and generate discussions from those blogs and also to establish a resource of services as well as information and so that’s you know running on in a very limited volunteer capacity and so you know it’s something that I hope will eventually become a very powerful resource but already it’s you know it’s been feedback that I’ve received that you know even just the the group that we have on Facebook somebody posted recently. You know it’s really help them in their in their path which is nice to hear and I’ve heard that a few times and I try to curate that group in such a way where it’s like you know it’s trying to generate discussion and it’s it’s trying to be a safe space where where people can get into some of those I’m intimate revealing is of what what’s going on in their lives one of the things that kind of came out of love sex intelligence local as a connection with Tamara and the love school that they have which is a very congruence philosophy to love sex intelligence and they’re their work to try to create or with to create safe spaces for people to to share stories of what’s going on in their intimate lover sexual lives and and B witnessed in a way that is non-judgemental where they’re not being flooded with advice but more just being witnessed which is kind of connected to that whole framework for Rites of Passage itm witnessing each other and so it’s it’s trying to also look at how you know communities can succeed in their in their goals which might include you know like being more sustainable or being an alternative to the systems around us and also being a part of a more peaceful kind of culture through filling this hole that is often where things go wrong where people are are are not feeling safe to talk about these these human experiences around wounding around are our hearts and our sexuality so I’ve been part of a Practice Group here that has been circulating also to other parts of BC and I think it’s a really it’s a really powerful movement to be a part of yeah we’re getting close to an hour or so I have to take a few more minutes and I’m get a couple thoughts and feelings some responsible for 1 something that his is coming up for me that I think it’s really empowering is this like idea that wouldn’t it be nice if some of us started to think of ourselves as aspiring Elders I’ve never thought of it that way until this conversation and there’s a little spark of joy and me that that says you know puts in context the the punk rock lifestyle that I had of live fast Die Young and just you know if it’s not throwing yourself into the meat grinder of insurrectionary activism you know with this sort of Death Wish you know this martyr complex or whatever it’s like those are really unsustainable archetypes to follow and they leave a lot of people when they get to my age in about 35 like in a sort of existential crisis that will the revolution didn’t happen and I didn’t get killed I didn’t die in the gutter you know I mean what am I going to do now and it’s like well maybe it’s time to become an aspiring Elder and you know clean up your act and and then start to think about how you’re going to make it easier cuz I there’s a lot of things that I had to go through that I would seriously love to have no one else ever have to go through and if you know if we can live in that. you know that is what you’re supposed to think that I think of you say you know you can you can learn from the wisdom of Elders who have gone through and made the mistakes that you’re probably going to go through or you can just be hard-headed and learn all your lessons the hard way but I mean we’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons in the absence of the eldership but I think if we take on that there’s a yeah me too. It seems obvious but really the way you put it his medicine for me to think you know it’s a dignified path to be an aspiring Elder and then it makes you not be so how do I can help you defeat that that that grinding pressure that oh my I’m going to lose my looks and I’m going to lose my energy and I’m going to be in the state of deprecation towards death and that’s very much the greatest fear of the western manicured Uno photoshopped airbrushed identity like you’re not really giving any hope that aging will be of any benefit in here just marginalized further and further so I thank you for that serve very much still give that time sacred eldership dignity not a light title to hold I think the true Elder wouldn’t really feel comfortable in it cuz it’s defining attributes of an elder that is really one that can help that role be the best it can be is one that is is really accountable is really present isn’t so on the move that if you can’t you know be relied upon to be there for the people that it serves now needs to ideally be in the in the fellowship of other Elders to kind of keep it in in in check in a way like we have to watch for the Cole group kind of phenomenon where people you know place a lot of weight on that person and in a way that can privilege them in certain ways and also lead to potential like power distortions and things like that you know it’s it’s only human that people will make mistakes and so having that kind of accountability of other people and also that time yeah you have people heart or a different there’s always like in every phase of life with the lifecycle there’s there’s like the maturing phases and so there’s like you know there’s a baby elder there’s enough adult Elder and then Senior Elder and so it’s just we have to learn at each stage of Life how to become the mature version of what that stage is and says just something to think about as well and it’s good to to get your feet wet early on in life so that you know we can have deep roots and and the and those are the kinds of people to like in the Tamara situation out of the black community they have a circle of Elders who are basically people who have grown with a community enough that they know the people in their community and then they serve a role as potential kind of like the Matchmaker but you know in a way where people can approach them in and ask them like you know I’m interested in this person and they can help you assess whether this is the right time or what is a good or bad idea and you know they can kind of that. Whole courtship in a way that you know really I think I wish there were more of those people around here don’t you let me relax you know learn the hard way what does that we’re just not compatible certain people in The Matrix the I mean yeah I’m not I’m not a political scientist of the Matrix but I will say that what got me peaked on the ecstatic trance dance group ritual ceremony festival thing was it really when I saw I think it was maybe the second movie or maybe it was the second or the third but there was a scene where they’re just getting down to like Juno Reactor I think was a soundtrack of a butt there is something beautiful about seeing the different the warrior culture Guided by elders and of course there’s different the archetypes playing out in Conflict split that to me was took it further than then the Star Trek Federation is a futuristic Elder guided Council guided kind of reality so that was kind of fun but yeah so that’s what came to mind when you’re at we’re talking about that be so cool if you’re early sexual oracle’s who you go to you know if we’re going to give you insights and maybe even have name your child for you or something cool like that you know be so cool but right on then will I worry about at the hours so do you have any closing touch you want to share or any other resources or should we just I’ll post the the links that you mention and I’ll definitely encourage people to stay informed and keep an eye out for your anything coming up you have any appearances or anything exciting like that coming up you want to mention I think yeah I think I covered a lot of it and I just wanted to maybe plant a seed while I have the airwaves here about something that I’d I’d eventually like to work on presenting which is around insert Intercultural relationships and also decolonizing our relationships as well and just thinking about how how we can heal some of these ancestral traumas and use that has as as a means to strengthen our relationships and also our society right on I’ll be looking forward to everything that you’re you’re expressing in the world and I hopefully yeah maybe sometime in the future we can talk about skill sets for Beyond Christian monogamy that would be a great topic so yeah how would you feel about that maybe we can sometime in the next few months follow up with something like that. Maybe by the by the time I’ll have more of a personal lived experience to a base conversation around that I think you know in terms of people who are already I don’t know how many listeners here are on a Christian spiritual path without that many but if the energy and gnosticism and sacred marriage not going to the alchemical top in the in the Gnostic tradition but I I wouldn’t make any claims to be an expert in that area but it’s definitely something to look at cool alright then we will be in touch and will follow up sometime in the future and thank you so much so be I really enjoyed it and I know it’s taking us a while to get this to get this done but I think it was perfect and I couldn’t ask for anything more so you have a wonderful day. 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