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Seeding the Transapocalyptic Cypherpunk Cryptopia with Vin Armani TPP275

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In this episode I’m joined by Vin Armani for another epic dialog about the transformative intersections of bitcoin, crypto-anarchy, crypto-savagery, state craft, ecology, permaculture, shamanism, futurism, and much more

Please visit Vin’s website at https://vinarmani.com/

About Vin:

Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

My Non Verbatim Show Notes

been preparing for a long time

very weird experience

conspiracy theorists, broader understanding of the shift to come

people’s who’s eyes have been open for more than half a century

orwell, we’re in an orwellian moment, 1984 was a prophecy

wrote in 1948, doesn’t mention year in the book, publisher, 1984

4 years ago, youtube, playlists, series called ascendent project, 2016

right before vin armani show

thesis of presentation, 8 hours

announcement that the shift is here, way I believe, what will look like, based upon, teaching of the human social cycle, from Indian guru, Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar

Ananda Marga

book series, spoken word, transcribed

work that affected me profoundly, got a hold of from adherents from group

progressive utilization theory

described, the human social cycle

the indian caste system, 4 varnas

vaisya

brahmin

ksatriya

sudra

description of energies within human cycle, influence world in different way every human has energies moving through, dominant in a person, in eras

eras move in a cycle from peasant, to warrior, rises as chief, utilize will and strength as hero, becomes a king

eternal game of paper scissor rock

thinker energy dominates the king, church, priests, dominant

corruption of church comes through money

large cycles through history

within those cycles small cycles

within each of us have cycles

ideas moved into the west

notice, that’s the same 4 energies of the tarot, suits of the tarot, club, sword, chalice, cup, pentacle, coin

cards, clubs, spades, hearts blood of christ, diamond, instead of coin

what he had presented was idea that we had moved through the commoner time, thinker time, through warrior time, the great kings, through the thinker time, enlightenment, into his time writing in 70s emergence of vaisya age corporations, banks, beasts,

the corpus christi, the body of christ being the church, thinker time, corporation, legal persons corporate entities, banks, vaisya age

bitcion, crypto currency, vegas, solidified vaisya coming to full throat, it was going to tip over the top from golden age to corrupt age, coming very soon

what emerges from out of that on the wheel, starts over, grand reset back to sudra, commoner, state of nature, little specialization, little centralization, decentralized, generalized

daniel quinn, ishmael books, fantastic, 100% survival value, ancestors 12 year old, indigenous society, could drop in middle of environment and they would survival, had all skills of entire culture, male or female, hunt fish, build home, start a fire, make clothes, herbs, poison

sings weather would change

all these things they knew before adult

very decentralized,

from self sufficiency to efficiency

path, escathon, crescendo, time is speeding up terrence mckenna

end moment

all of the signs, its a virus

everyone has become the enemy, invisible, everyone is enemy

goes to say it is the vaisya energy recognizing the rise of sudra energy being very scared

wondered, 20 years ago discovered this thought, working with it, through this time, what does that look like, 2000 I see we’re in vaisya age, corporate, banking business age, what does it look like, before bitcoin,

what does that even look like, communism, socialism, what does it even look like that it would fracture back down into decentralized commoner, 100% survival value

kernal of new rebirth of age, bitcoin is a harbinger, one of many tools, cryptography, incredible useful, self sufficiency in general

more people, not agriculture by nature, figuring out how to be self sufficient, protein produce, energy, electricity

been called preppers, out there conspiracy theorist, already shutting off food supply shutting off money, choice people dwindle

those who have figured out how to fully imbrace the sudra nature, will rise

old nature in decline, new era on it’s way up

TP: meek shall inherit the earth

VA: wheel turning at any given time what is rising is always the meek

in sudra age, hero rising is the meek, hero isn’t the king, it’s the audacious boy

at the time of the kings, when king fully risen the advisor, the priest the thinker is not the prime minister he’s a boy who interprets dream whose in cell

pharoah relied on boy, that’s the meek

time of kings, napoleonic wars, can’t feed army, can’t get right kind of gold coins, london, looking for solutions, smuggler of gold times, rothchild family, get right coins, meek businessman, grey market, smuggling gold, credit schemes, a hustler, reach out to him

the meek the inherit the earth, now is the time for that again

TP: inner geek, crypto math computer science, geek will inherit the earth

VA: look at the archetype of the geek within the vaisya let’s say aesthetic, love vegas, complete shut down vaisya aesthetic, giant companies all about literally money, play with those cards, gold, hotels, nothing but money and the love of money, as opposed to silicon valley, holding all power, multibillionaires running companies, zuckerberg, wearing what he wears, they wouldn’t let him in a club in a vegas, wouldn’t let him in, bezos same thing, old pictures of bezos, those guys are the cross over of the really the vaisya creating sudra products, rise of social media, rise of twitter

hash tag movements, metoo, emergence of sudra, hieararchy flattening platforms , twitter account doesn’t have more features than prez, same app, same with facebook flattens hiearchy, emergence of decentralized consensus based organizational

hash tags started taking down the most powerful men in the world

what is a hashtag, it doesn’t even exist

exists purely as a psychological concept

not even like that hash tag is an option within twitter or facebook itself

TP: viral videos, age of virus, hashtag, snippet of genetic dna, replicates in cell of human mind, replicates through internet, just characters, abstracted, don’t have eyes, don’tknow what they’re doing, regenerating with retweets, as above so below, cyberdelic mind fuck

VA: in age of virus, of course it’s a virus how could it not be, network based organization versus hierarchy

interview wtth chris derose, block chain as a matriarchy and role of messiahs, emergence of network, spreading, the new power, to understand how power is organized have to understand the network

what we see going on with response to the corona virus, hiearchy, dealing very poorly with a network based crisis, virus has no hierarchy

TP: just packets

VA: bitcoin network gossip network, viral network, one to many, R naught, signed transaction, propagates to network, epidemological map, transaction copying self into mem pool,

TP: 8% of human dna, residual viral remants,

VA: blockchain is organic model

TP: do you trip on mycellial functionality of the way, don’t know what the science is, fungal hyphea connecting topsoil, trees on either coast send text message through ground

VA: networked, organic movement, organism, hierarchy can’t fight the mechanism, can’t fight organism, not equipped to do it, we developed hierarchy to fight against nature, turns you into one big organism, its very crude, might say, taken to their extreme, what you see in tyranny that is now with us, officially, organism trying to stay alive, imposes even more rigid order, things gotten a little too loose, out of control, desire to track everything, record eveything ultimate order, as opposed to the bitcoin idea of a system being robust in its unordered simplicity, just a system of rules, not working towards any particular end except to keep system going, traditional, sustainable, organic ethos of ancestors, the idea of cultures society, life in general, simply to continue it on to the next generation, not thinking there was some grand purpose

TP: multigenerational, tree stewardship, fabric of culture, indigenous wisdom, terrence mckenna, enter the violet doorway at the end of time, we will be street smart in the ways of demonic materialism and returned home to the family farm in eden, that would be that refreshing, resetting of that grand cycle

VA: got goosebumps, not heard exact quote, love it, beautiful, probably freestyled, so beautiful, god, command of english language, spin poetry almost make you cry, that’s was interesting because one of the insights that drove me to do ascendent project, looking at chapter 3 genesis, serpent, temptation, fall, the birth of sudra age, return to the garden

goosebumps, yeah, return to garden, figuratively and litterally, so interesting, though it was poignant, governer of michigan, prevented walmart from selling seeds

roped off, full racks of seeds roped off with caution tape

non essential items all garden supplies seeds, literally there, the people who are getting photos and videos that’s crazy I can’t be these seeds, saw this starting to happen, I’ve moved family, not ready to dox self, remote island, pretty self sufficient, probably making public in the future where exactly I am, place I see as a return to the garden, but with that same street smartness, it’s not about throwing out technology, dipping out, off grid, why would you give up the wisdom of your ancestors over the past hundreds of years, why give up grid idea, interconnectedness

bitcoin, idea is not to disconnect, idea is to connect peer to peer minus the intermediary, it’s the intermediary that’s the problem

what’s the problem with the seed sales at walmart, problem is its walmart, guaranteed the person the put the seeds in that package, supply of seeds

but neighbor would sell it to you

TP: you can buy plantable produce from the grocery store, front lines of professional food sector, gardener, step up, minimal interactions I’ve had, if you can’t buy seeds or being gouged for prices, 1/3 or produce can be harvested for its vegetable product and then replanted, beets, onions, garlic, potatoes, eat most of it and still plant it, viablle, propagation, deprived of seeds, plant groceries after eat half or more

VA: this is the return to the garden, this knowledge, in moving to where I’m at, interesting thing, culture here, native culture strong, people who are original people very much in control of politics of island, out in morning, there’s all the people still fishing in traditional ways, 50 feet from house, right on beach 4 fisherman, outrigger canoe launched off beach

corruption of outside world, hand outs, desire of tourism, businesses, to pay these folks, to provide money, as a opposed to them sustaining themselves in they way they had, some wisdom gets lost, situation in now, people lost all that really struggling, guy out there fishing, isn’t even trippin, what crisis

its the finding of the resources that are there, even as you said, your grocery store is a garden store, realizing that, the produce section is a garden store, light years ahead

TP: its all kind circling back to another terrence mckenna prophecy, living in prototype of dream of avatars, virtual reality, shrinking your physical foot print on earth. Letting nature regrow around you foraging in wild abundant nature, get kicks and giggles from interacting on line, not needing to fly all over the place,people are already going to wake up tomorrow and be like we can get kicks and giggles touring museums in 3d virtuality, let the wild animals take over the streets, hoped people would voluntarily participate in live simply, easy way or hard way, easy way too late for that

VA: unfortunately everyones gonna be living simply, economic state of the world has changed, consumerism, waste is done as we know it

TP: party’s over

VA: drastic waste in short term, supplies, milk dumped down drain, fields go fallow supply chains broken, body of consumerism dying, variety will be greatly reduced, millenia generation, ability to be satisfied in digital realm to great degree, gen z, they will be able to really, many very happy to have consumerism go away, simplicity, dystopian futurist, 4 walls ceiling, living in closet doesn’t matter virtual universe, william gibson called consensual hallucenation so vast so satifying, won’t matter that your’e living in a tomb, basicallyi entombed

matrix

TP: what if you take that classic scene of neo unplugging in that pod, instead, unplugs consensual connection, p2p network, pops lid on pod, harvest some greens in his garden in hawaii, utopian, people’s matrix, not marxian, peer to peer nature, crypt enabled

VA: mckenna seeing the eschaton, combining multiple aspects, logical progression of series of different streams, at any given time, streams of consciousness, lifestyles, really streams of consciousness evolve on own, music scene, artistic scene, style of tech, physical pursuit, sport, what it looks like 100 years ago, not what it looks like in the future, subculture, two ideals, the return to the garden, plus the high level of interconnectedness, both to extreme combined into one, not the case initially, thesis and anti-thesis, our generation we’ll get one or the other, access in early going, access to consensual hallucenation, dependent on acquiesance to new world order, living in box, universal basic income, money aspect will go away, it’s a prison, you get fed 3 meals a day, same clothes, same style of home, put into matrix, human experience plays out, old vestiges of voting, virtual sports, status hiearchyies

TP: video game simulation, elon musk what happens if mars comes to us and we’re now astronauts on our own planet, people in bubble costumes, logan’s run concept

bitcoin was the birth of the multiplicity, libra hearings was death of singularity

VA: about right, funny in my book self ownership, last section is on the concept I called the crypto savage

the attempt to merge the old order and new order, will be attempted will fail, that’s what libra was, we can have this thing that’s at scale, out there with an established company, no you can not, interesting, congress people speaking positively about bitcoin, good, tech can grow, they don’t fear it at all, to them it can’t be a threat because it can’t organize in the way they understand organization to be, facebook is organized in a way they understand to be a threat, they understand corporations have power, no coporation for bitcoin, no company, no leader, no ceo no country, no structures they recognize as dangerous, just a network of nodes, passing info, storing info viral network, viruses aren’t threats to them, just saw that play out, don’t understand threat profile of virus, don’t understand how to respond to it in a way they don’t kill themselves in the process

what I say is the other side of eschaton, bitcoin can play a role, matrix version is the thesis, bitcoin is the anti-thesis, synthsis, you get both, mckennas idea, post eschaton, new age, restart

escanton, rame together, big bang, big suprise, post escaton, new material, move or what we’re talking about

indviiduals sustaining themselves off grid by necessity if they don’t they’ll be caught up into the web, very hard life

comparatively, to having everything handed to you, hard life to be self sufficient, in terms of knowledge.

Anti thesis, includes bitcoin cryptography, the resources, ability, the supply chains gone, reestablishing new supply chains, not illegal per se, like in 1984, writing in journal, wasn’t illegal, but if caught death sentence,

TP: earn it act

VA: cryptography is gonna be very different, play in their game, cryptography is out the window, telegram, signal gone relatively soon, cryptography as tool, unless you take away math, never take cryptography of out picture

concepts behind public key cryptography, level of computer science wherewithal, access to computer, computers ubiquitous, pgp, illiptical curve algo, library, released, send message on blockchain, post to address, only person with private key of that address could read it, data, message, write on the blockchain, old crypto tech, just sitting there, never be able to get rid of it

approach to crypto now, same as food, gonna have to learn to do it yourself

knowledge is not that hard, coding skills, pass around tools, libraries, minimal coding skills, if you’re a coders have simple libraries sitting around for cryptography, signatures for messages, for encrypting and decrypting files and messages, decentralized networks, get them up, share them around, get them out there, classes of people training people, offering coding classes, urgency hasn’t been there, picking that up again, waited for a while, people interested thought coding was cool, wanted to get a job in software, never viewed it that way, skill of liberty, knowing how to grow a garden, fix your car, change your oil, place like cuba, no important of new cars, parts hard to come by, artistry of keeping car running 70 years

TP: difference between dude and man, when something breaks at dudes house, calls the man to fix it

VA: love that, just perfect, the sudra era, shortest, commoner era, flatting of hierarchy 100% survival value, shortest because heros emerge quickly, dude and man, man is the hero

TP: give shovels to neighbors, agorism,

VA: just the introduction, new world order doesn’t need to be commanded by evil geniouses, global network of communications, perverse incentives, track you in digital life, know everything about you, extend it into physical world, internet of things you’re a thing, move of taking this technology mapping, digital world on physical world and vis-versa, same old incentives, except physical world is a really a hindrence to the movement of digital world and digital powers that be, they don’t want you to leave cyber space, if you leave digital world you’re not an asset to them

that’s the crypto savage, build new peer to peer digital world running parallet to theres

TP goosebumps moment, post cyberpunk, snipes, stallone, dennis leary as crypto savage, only have cybersex, std plagues, don’t shake hands, social distancing, speak profanity, ticket pops out, but would be a crypto/libra wallet,

VA: demolition man, brave new world, aldous huxley, george orwell, great sci fi, is really a study of human nature, that’s what makes it great, technology is just a idea of logical progression, what do we have now, progress this out, almost always dystopian, everything that moves forward, tech, language, physical tool, organizational structure, always moves towards corruption, sci fi, what does this look like when it’s corrupted, used in worst

TP: Craig Wright trying to patent open source software

VA: reason why that’s important, narrative standpoint, crafting a story, in order for their to be a hero’s journey, role of hero, rebirth from out of corruption, have to show corrupt world, without no reason for hero, sci fi, fantasy, lord of the rings, star wars, the reason why those work well as hero’s stories, not limited in degree of corruption, take corruption to fullest, best enemies, best villains, heros journey, rebirth, story of christ is heros journey, ideal of hero, luke skywalker, froto baggins, neo ,same heroic archetype, arise in world completely corrupt, more corrupt it is more heroic their acts

TP be thankful for enemies, petty tyrants, don’t want b list, medicore actors in your life movie, good villains

VA: virus isn’t villain, virus is one ring to rule them all, who holds narrative, how will they use it, state will use narrative one ring to rule them all, not use opportunity to come together, bring people together, crisis how do humans overcome crisis, we come to gether, that’s how we overcome, super power, put aside old greivances, we have a real crisis, how we think, from movies, astroid is coming, or independence day movies aliens, nations of world put aside differences, actually no, that’s not what the state does, state is divide and conquer, social distancing is exact opposite of coming together to solve a problem

the one ring to rule them all, it’s all about how will you be ruled, peer to peer electronic cash system, disintermediation, come together in the network, come together

mask, can’t communicate, 80% nonverbal, can’t see facial expressions all of these things, this is the escaton, thesis is social distance, separate, divide and conquer,

anti-thesis, decentralized, peer to peer self sufficient, 100% survival value

TP protests, counter protests, astro turfing, new, I’m darkish, left social media, trust no one, trust people you already know

VA: protests are stupid if you’re protesting for them to reopen the economy you’ve already lost, protesting without a mask on, useful idiot, they’re in complete control of narrative, protests, we did a poll, majority of people support social distancing, keeping economy closed, propaganda, everybody supports it, maybe I should

protests, astroturfing aside, legitimate protesters, that’s going to fail, the die is cast momentum already there, going down a path, no question about it, no coming back, only thing you can do is take another path

rebellion is not out in the streets, the rebellion is in your garden

TP: peer to peer, bit torrent, permaculture party pack, 10s of gigs, pirated material, compiled videos, documents, audios, bundled in one torrent, how cuba survived peak oil, microcosm of when ussr collapsed, cut off cuba from fossil fuels, retrofit to organic garden, didn’t have chems coming in, modernish case study in not begging, not being juvenile, not to put down spirit and tradition of assembly and free speech, you can belly ache at the man while you’re tearing up the side walk, tear of the intersection, planted and don’t leave, reclaim the space with the last calories you have

VA: thanks for torrent, downloading it, spreading it, again its a virus, peer to peer many to many this is the other path that’s going to be taken, finding those locations, moved to what I believe is one of such locations, people have to find what calls to them and it will call to you, this came out of nowhere, interesting and notable, it had been in the back of my mind, things ramping up, flights cut off, countries cut off, timeline is sped up, tings reopen, opportunity, got out, literally on last plane to island, before cut off from all inbound, the common wealth, from all inbound and outbound traffic of people, not of cargo, not everybody had opportunity, not predicting and following for years as I have, don’ tneed it, if your’e listening to this, things are gonna open back up, tell everybody righ tnow, they’re going to get shut back down, open up for a little while, laset gasp opportunity last chance for many people to make that move, while things are still shut down, look around put energy in that direction, appropriate thing may come to you, may be stay where you’re at, bugging out m ay not be the thing if your social capital is local

famers markets informal economy, may be smartest thing to stay

allies, not just going cold, working contacts for months, had place to stay, people to show around, established, met within few days, opportunity, when it opens up and shuts down again, when it shuts down again its gonna shut down for a long time, because businesses have failed

second wave, governements getting used to it, allows them to print money

some people, not gonna matter where you are, you can be a valuable asset almost anywhere, community gonna need, underground railroad, taking people out of slavery through making them self sufficient, food knowledge, secondary encrypted network, riding on the internet, small separate encrypted network, invisible, running in this encrypted way through same wires

TP: if time get into the play by play of how inept the government stimulus, I can list off the hackers of world, exploiting stimulus check, insecure, poorliy thought out, every permaculture designer, swiss army knife, adapt to any environment, one of the preppers dilemmas, old school stereotypical doomsday peppers, bullets beans bandaids, no way I’m gonna grow a garden, I don’t want the zombies to see what I have and want to take it, paradox, better make beautiful abundant garden, share with neighbors, infect them with gardening meme, get them gardening have them want to protect you with all of their might because you were in a way responsible for their survival, they are your armor, reason to be a gardening prepper, actually help, like yesterday get these systems established

arms race of open source software, hackers developers, steps ahead of government, every use case for crypto elucidated, brought into the fore, clusterfuck, government that takes from you, doesn’t have any rails to give back in an emergency

VA: hacker writ large, orginal idea of term, permaculture is hacker culture, for sure, pick up artist days, panty hacking, its about hacking of the human psychosexual landscape, platform, machine, whatever you want to call it, the hacker is someone who is a voracious consumer and implementer of knowledge and wisdom, platform agnostic, environment independent, able to create a life for themselves whether in social environment, agricultural enviornment, mineraological,l technological, hacker idea, flattened decentralized generalist idea, non hierarchical, hacker wants to share, a hacker wants a community , more inputs for knowledge, value of being around a permaculture community, conversation we just had, permaculture party pack, told me what network, go on network, pull it, that is what community is about, social distancing powerful tool for tyrants, internactions can never happen

ceo of zapos, deliverying happiness, hiring on culture fit, weather that really works or not, remains to be seen, don’t know zappos has been particularly profitiable, make tony shay billionaire, developing downtown las vegas, collsions, employees within walking distance, apartment buildings, community, collisions, people would randomly run into each other, valuable knowledge skills, businesses or share information, help other businesses, connect people to each other, part of culture down there, the mode that is happening with social distancing, how that ripples second 3rd, 4th, order effects, ripple through culture, demolition man style, people aren’t able to have same economic activity, too scared to shake each others hands, had experience on island, recognized me from tv days, rapport, connection in meeting, everybody where masks, following along, wasn’t until 3rd meeting, 3 days got a chance to shake hands

TP: neo punk rock movement, people who signal their waiver, rebellion of people who say we have enough diy medicine shamans, in our community, neo tribe, rather die on feet than live on our knees, embrace chaos, embrace nature, virological chaos punks, new subculture, stark above ground underground, sci fi, underworld dwellers, social distancing, demerit tickets, deduct your central bank digital currency, above ground, hyper hiegene, culture, trusting big pharma, underground abandoned subways, not gonna come back in that paradigm

VA: a lot of these space, gonna be abandoned, underground will thrive on that carcass, that has been the way that history has moved always

TP: just balkanization of sorts

VA: roman empire, fell, didn’t fall, receded back to east, constantinople, byzantiane, empire survived a long time, until ottomans took, 1200 or something, 1000 years almost that the roman empire continued after what we call the fall of rome, receded, empire fell, but receded, not like everything just died

TP: although they did lose the recipe for concrete for hundreds of years, marveling at relics don’t know how they were built

VA: that’s the return to the garden, that is the story of adam, he’s marveling at the garden that was build by god, he didn’t have the skills to build that, lost from him, when kicked from it

fall of rome, trading all over place, decadent age, falls, recedes, farther outpost england, recedes from there, england falls into time of magic, arthurian lengends, merlin, after romans, with math, science, architure, advance language, finance, fell into magic, history had a break, came into mythological time, in the same way where much of the real world is going to be abandoned, the matrix again, the real world is going to be abandoned, no need for real world, living in virtual world, everything goes into virtual world, people will literally need to live in a closet, going out, going into matrix, virtual world, spending more and more time

TP: virus is acceleration of doom climate change, make the air unbreathable, going back to whole in ozone, shocking news, what does it look like if we burn off the atmosphere, mars comes to earth, living in bubble dome, synthetic, haven’t out of thin air be able to make food, definitely grow meat out of primordial ooze

VA: climate change narrative, don’t go out, seeing that, nature is reclaiming these spaces, people have wanted, this idea is perceived as positive, I don’t think we should see as positive

so the issue is when we put something qualitative on the idea nature is reclaiming these space, allegators in venice canals, air is clean, good thing, its simply quantitative, that’s what nature does, nothing posiitive or negative, if people go away from a place, nature recliams it

it takes incredible amounts of maintance for nature to not reclaim something, shit ton of time for it to look like human being s look there, nature will reclaim it while your’e living there, fight to keep nature out

the climate narrative, taken to logical conclusion its a death cult, kill people in that area, remove people from earth, nature takes back the earth, if people are gonna be there, people are going to behave in a certain way, work more inline with nature

we don’t have to do factory farming, we can do food forest, put human hand into, chosen what we want to grow there, if we didn’t do that nature would have chosen, and she might have chosen something we couldn’t eat, what will the human hand look like in this area, in this space, mental space or space of consciousness, will the human hand be benign and sustainable, or will it be pathological and parasitic

either one can generate vast amounts of resources, strip mining can create vast amounts but they’re gone after a while and they just leave a waste land

group that wants to social distance you, put you in pod, if you were taken from home, placed in jail cell, 6×9 cell for 30 years, nature will have retaken your home, is that a good thing?

The new ethos of this movement if there is to be an ethos, human beings are not bad, its not a death cult, it’s not about removing human beings, human beings have an ability to connect with something higher, or ability to fall to lowest of depths, end up with dystopian future, reach for something hire, beautiful and technological

TP: personal evolution, deep ecologist, misanthrope, permaculture not that there’s too many humans, its the behave of the humans that’s the problem, need everybody alive to participate, repair damage and clean up

to add to that point there is a book, thesis of 1491, part of it, entire amazon rainforest is bi-product of human habitation of landscape that was appropriate, lungs of planet wouldn’t have developed as they have it wasn’t for proto tribal villagers, foraging bands, duing horticulture gardening, bi-product scattering seeds with shit, appropriate shelters, creating conditions for more life

words of Geoff Lawton, most accomplished permaculturalist alive, humans used to be and can still be the most beneficial element in an ecosystem

VA: thesis antithesis, two pathways, human beings will recede from nature, seeing it happen already, last vestiges that were connection to nature, in established paradigm, agriculture, vast tracts of ag land, factory farmed or not, people working that land, are connected to nature, connected in a system that whereby their actions enable, millions, few individuals enable millions to not have any connection to nature, lack of connection to source of food, lack of conneciton to source of food is crux of whole thing, food and water, people don’t have access to that is the crux of everything

symbol of ultimate disconnection of source of food to your food, exact thing that were closed first, restaurant, sit down high end restaurant, vast menu, things from global supply chain, combined into one dish, shut down first, now this is the receding the great receding, recession not in economic terms, receding further away from nature, back into itself

as it recedes its gonna give up space, and we need to be filling that space

TP: timing of ai and robotics, we though big ag, chem ag bad enough, now people aren’t even gonna be in the fields to make the ethical decision of whether they’re gonna poison it

virus scortched earth, keeps mutating, recombining, different flue seaons, who’s gonna roll out the smart farm bots, almost there, dystopian, yin/yang, we have the tool kits to return to garden of eden, also have perfect storm to technologically tyranize, I don’t know if its a fair fight, the only thing that levels it is the crypto savage, permaculture farmer can’t win in a fist fight with robots and drones and surveilence capitalism, but crypto, ninjitsu of cryptography

vin armani show, invest in the revolution and get rich doing it, that’s what I finally stopped being a no-coiner

VA: bitcoin mind blowing, new book, needed for this happening now to get next piece in there, what is at the core of bitcoin outside of price, what is this powerful core idea, how does it allow this peer to peer transfer of value, goes into the food thing, growing your own food from a seed or cutting or seedling, something I’ve done since I was a kid, grew up in house that always had a garden planted many fruit trees when I was a kid, family home of mine, awesome to watch my own children pick and eat apples and oranges and pears from trees that I had planted when I was 12 or 13, eaten off of for years

purist notion of understanding lockian notion of property and value, idea that a natural resource combined with labor creates a good, property can be exchanged, growing own food, you always have extra, people don’t realize the abundance of well tended garden, or of a fruit tree that’s a mature fruit tree, apple tree probably 25 years old, rediculous, having existed, there is more wild life now, don’t ever remember squirrles in that neighborhood, recent years, tons of opposoms, lizards, because of damn fruit trees, something for them to eat, I never saw a squrril, growing up in this particular neighborhood, thank god the squirrles were there cause we couldnt’ eat all the apples, oranges, lemons, pears, avocados, given them away, constantly been a garden, constantly been fruit trees, value

bitcoin is leveraging that, aspect of cryptography, really the hashing functions, signature algo, proof, math for proof that something happened, incredible concept, something I can feel absolutely assured that a very very specific act happened in a very specific way, person saying they did is the person who did it, pretty phenomenal, build system around it to transfer value, any kind of value, assign value to things in the world, receding into a virtual world, proof is almost unnecessary, programmer can make anything pop on screen

probably half people test positive for antibodies, mortality rate incredibly low, living in a post proof world, people don’t demand proof, proof is no longer necessary, would of fake news, world of propaganda, 1984

bitcoin, so important, that proof, that ability to use this technique to prove something, anything, proof of work, labor, proof that labor happened, labor is what creates property

that’s the crux of value, that’s recardos labor theory of value, not marx, all value in marketplace is derived from labor

you can’t sell me an apple if you haven’t planted the tree, picked, bought it, exchanged it brought it, there was labor involved somehow

proof of work proves that labor took place, you can build an economy

not money printer goes brrrr, economic system based on a hustle, relatively smart gold hustler, the hustle is falling apart, bitcoin is a gift, proof of work is gift from universe

speculation was a blip, way to ahead of its time in that regard, but now, exchange for food that you grew, outside of this new web panopticon that’s coming, the value is immeasurable, we can build a whole new world with this

TP: invoke this permaculture mycellium, networks, peer to peer, network effects, discoveries, I like the phrase math isn’t invented, its discovered, its nature, Jimmy song said something like that

I want to throw out there, my final thoughts for those listening if you download the permaculture party pack, 72 hour official permaculture design course, bill mollison, geoff lawton, get torrent go through course, youd’ have same qualitification as any other certified designer, you’ll have done the most canonical training

holy grail, crown jewel of systems, chinampas, island water gardening, engineered, most productive landscape engineering design, constructed wetlands that grow crops in islands, into a lake original mexico city, grind pattern out into lake, canoe into gardens, instead of sidewalks and streets, subirrigating crops, drought proof, any climate, super dense polyculture, aquaculture, and dry farm plants, I’m working on now,

another thing, tromp, very few in the world, cant’ say exact history, way to create infinite free energy, harnessing energy created by falling water, water fall, can’t efficiently create cap on the break, air bubbles, energy events, difficult to put turbine on top of that, but if put water stream flow, drops underground, engineered cave, going down pipes, giant metal bell, to capture that vibrating energy, gas exchange where waters breaking, nature process, compression of air, gives infinite compressed air used to power vehicles, turbine to generate electricity, transapocalyptic bitcoin mining operation, restoring watersheds, greening deserts, beyond solar, harvesting wasting energy, less materials, more sustainable to have bitcoin mining reward to innovate green technology

bitcoin is basically digesting the crudeness and foolishness of this hustler scam that you’re talking about, metamorphize and spit out potentially the most elegant ecological oragami of energy, incentive that pushes us in that direction, most transapocalypitc, techno utopian, forward thinking crypto thesis, tromp, pdc, worth checking out

take us back to family farm in eden

VA: that’s a beautiful view, also believed the mechanism of proof of work, incentive is most efficient and sustainable form of energy possible, utilizing nature, free and natural resources given by nature in place, where proof of work is fated and destined to go, things to move forward on, bitcoin, multigeneration project, changes we’re talking about, happening quickly, but what we’re seeing now is the birth/death singularity, of actual cross over time, while that doesn’t happen in an instant, birth/dying process, death and dying process can be very extended for some people or it can be instant, birth is a probably a lot better, window of labor and birth, piece after, before the child is nursing and resting, still precarious time, we’re in the midst of that, right now we’re in labor pains, happening fast, level of intensity, happening to entire human family, to entire species, something we couldn’t have imagined, many of us knew clearly it was coming, this shift, opportunity is amazing

somewhere in our dna we knew that this was coming, same way mother knows child is coming, we’ve been pregnant with this change as a species, scary time, child coming can be still born, mother can also die, that’s not the case here per say, I don’t think this is a false start, communist revolution might have been false start, clearly was still born, 70 year period, it never really got its legs, fighting for life, but this is real, both mother and child are gonna live through this one, but always two children are born, right hand path left hand path, yin/yang, duality, multi generational project, don’t expect to see final outcome, incredibly interesting times, we have the tools on both sides, opportunity to make a choice, few generations to have the ability to make a choice

matrix, cypher, wants to get put back in matrix because he’s miserable in the real world

what you resonate with his how you make your choice, really make the choice in the heart, gonna take a level of bravery, a lot of sacrifice, relatively less sacrifice, nothing you have now that is going to be here 5 years from now, nothing, if ever a time to give it up, now is the time, it’s not continuing through this, birth is being made, new thing is here, make choice which side you want to stand on, hold on it’s gonna be a wild ride

TP: streamlining for flight into hyperspace, terrence line

grow deeper roots in on going conversation, welcome back anytime, sooner than later

how connect:

VA: @vinarmani on twitter, for now that’s good, pulling back a bit, more with vinarmani.com, showcasing platforms, code from go courses back, more of a sustainability tool kit things people can be using, twitter, at vin armani, best place

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Urban Permaculture and Post-Pandemic Food Security with Sagrada TPP270

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In this episode I’m joined by Sagrada where I get on my soap box to answer some of her questions about urban permaculture and post-pandemic food security

Subscribe to her YouTube Channel at: https://youtu.be/U45_aVzXNXU

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

S: Mom in east la, Paranoid, restless, gardening, getting into tarot, finally posting videos

TP: for a few months been in zombie apocalypse survival retreat bug out location farm stead site

trying to drum up online business, possibly sell of crypto at a loss, I got to a point where I decided I’ll take some calculated risks, maintain best practices for hygiene, physical distances, evolving protocols and procedures minding restrictions, come back to employment that I had, working for permaculture landscaping companies, with certified permaculture designer founders, one of them amazing former hollywood set designer, high end west side clients, beverly hills, santa monica, pacific palisades,

worked a lot in malibu, fancy parts of orange county

we’ve all be so drunk on prosperity, people do landscape yard make over, still kind of ornamental, even if more drought tolerant, still feel like you’d have to be a hippie to grow your own food, or veggie bed is quaint and cute, but I’m not gonna grow an edible jungle

Larry Santoyo, god father of LA permaculture, deep root, going back to the founders, trained a lot of people, paraphrase all these white hippie new age purple breathing wannabes want intergenerational households and back yard food forests, he’s like oh yeah, cross the la river on the east side and that’s the norm

I’m back in la. Swinging pick axes, because people want to grow food

tear up that front lawn, make some room in the parkways

essential services in agricultural sector, contracting ecological design, rain water harvesting, storm water diversion

still see mow and blow landscapers out there, poisoning insects, they’re out there doing their thing

we’re doing some more vital more protected, involving food production and security

interesting because one of last things I said to main employers after I ran to the hills, I love what we do, but I’m taking some time off while this is happening to build up my personal food security in the mountains, honestly I wouldn’t want to risk my life to just be flipping lawns in inedible ornamental landscapes, that’s the hill I want to die on, polishing brass on titantic, but if we’re gonna help people grow food, medicines, harvest rainwater, solar, composting, all the stuff we love to do for ourselves,

hope this supply chain shock, does what happened in cuba, ussr fell, had to be self sufficient over night, organic gardens every where, riding bikes, post peak oil, oil was cut off, crystal ball of the future

what has just happened with corona virus is an acceleration of what’s been predicted about climate change doom sayers

transapocalyptic business plan, help people grow food as licensed contractors

untouchable by gestapo, they gotta eat too, don’t break the hand the feeds you with that baton officer friendly

S: working in the garden composting in, rain catchers, filtering, lot of outdoor projects weren’t even able to get to fully because we were all working full time, perfect moment to spend more time and learn about that, gonna take permaculture certification, know practices more, getting hands dirty, even have fruit trees, is already super prepped to be a little edible jungle

wondering about a lot,

TP:

large percentage of content addressing this reality, feel like this is the time while people are paying attention and have the free time, the real stimulus package should be stimulating your soil, by stimulating it with compost tea, go back to work part time cuz you’re growing half your food

people geeky about permaculture already been doing this stuff for however long, wishing and hoping it would be the easy way not the hard way that their neighbors get on board, this is the hard way but not as bad as being at war,

ancestors were asked to fight the nazis, we’re just being asked to do nothing and stay at home

other people take the risk to feed you, could be a lot worse

S: psychologically damaging regardless, abrupt coercive, that’s how it feels, people really strong mentally, people who are gonna be okay, just wonder about people affected psychologically, gatherings, basic human things we are used to, not measurable, hasn’t been done before

the indefinite part of that, of all of this is what’s most draining

difficulty of it, following rules, not hard to do

TP: feel you on that, heart goes out to younger people, couldn’t imagine when my social circle was everything, now I’m more of a loner, it happens with age

when I was younger it was all about the group mind, clique, high school, punk scene, activist scenes, always hanging out

for me now, that’s not a priority, just want to do me, to be more secure

S: people who are single, recently heart broken, people who are teenagers, already don’t have freedom, now they have to be in abuse household, not in power, not in control of anything, I just wonder, if feel the energy of all that

TP: neighbors see you gardening?

S: people wearing masks, wondering if I should wear mask in my own yard

TP: yeah lead by example, studies are showing larger ranges than 6 feet to spread virus, Dr. Eric Ding take on headlines, on studies coming out, are the best, lot of good press and feedback, constantly myth busting things people use to minimize, rationalize cutting corners, whistling past the graveyard, so new, not one study could really be relied on the gospel truth, it could be disprove, everything is so new, highest level of precautionary principle, most extreme data 6 feet is not adequate, range of days living on surfaces, meters spread from the breath, like the idea of people getting crafty with making designer masks, making lemonade out of lemons

a lot less sickness will be passed around in general if this becomes the new normal, people won’t be so pressured to put on make up, different game of hooking up, gotta get to know someone cuz you can’t see their face

S: thinking about, a few plots of land, totally empty, guerrilla gardening, want to empower people but have to stay away from each other, don’t want to be the only garden on the block, for other people that live in la totally fine to garden on the parkway along the side walk, doesn’t belong to the property owner, belongs to the city

TP: Ron Finley guerrilla gardening civil disobedience, fought the city, made it possible for everyone to grow food in the parkway

S: heard about that, started one in 2017, in an apartment I used to live at, been gardening for a while, you gotta talk to people and let them know otherwise you’ll be the only one gardening, can’t eat everything, it’s good to share, its great, a lot of people don’t know that

home depots closing in some areas, chaining off the seeds, not allowing people to buy seeds, I don’t know, saw some pictures, seeds were off limits

TP: weird stuff in ag industry, I been posting on craigslist for bulk discount produce, millions being dumped, most tragic thing, if I had the infrastructure I’d be collecting it, for composting, and for replanting, garlic, chives, green onions, potatoes, carrots, pineapple, list goes on

grocery store lots can be replanted from the produce section, gives a head start, beets, sweet potatoes, water cress, herbs that are plantable, in soil, intact, a whole garden project out of what’s already still alive at the grocery store, wasting so much, all those people backed up at the food bank, this is farmageddon 2.0, all the people who are trained to know what a transition to a local food security economy we study the history and strategies, just tapping our feet, when do people say we need to stop relying on the globalized just in time supply chain, we need to do edible landscaping

everything in la county civil engineer landscapers, some plants have a purpose, but for the most part, it’s pretty much inappropriate, not native, inedible ornamentals, for shiggles for rich people to look at, public policy nightmare, public edible ecological food forests, hand full of cities in the us, broken free of phobia of public edible landscapes, partnerships, stake holders, designers, you can imagine, of all the community gardens that are out there, plagued by junkies that come and shoot up, racoons, rats, critters, you don’t just get to have this picturesque tidy urban farm that doesn’t attract a lot of other issues, to be rewilding the urban landscape so you have a resilient ecosystem you can forage in, you have to give up some creature comforts, fighting all the animals

dream big, this is the time me and my peeps are gonna try to nudge that paradigm with all the strength we can muster if we can survive ourselves this is a time to show people what they’re missing

S: suggestions for starting gardens? What about where are the seeds

TP: sunset nursery, favorite nursery

there’s a lot of stuff going on in micro and macro economic landscape, try to be a few steps ahead, not as much as the insider trading congress people, didn’t get to in that trade, bet against america and win hard, bankrupting all the poor people

in general being a few steps a head, chaos all these factors, the dollar is being inflated infinite printing money unprecedented levels dilutes, weakens overprinted mighty dollar, value becomes less, economy has to absorb falsehood of unbacked fantasy currency, not gonna be over night that it’s value reduced

bailouts in 2008, other times in history increased supply, history of fiat currencies around the globe in a war, a government has only two options, raise taxes or print more money, printing money is like raising taxes, stealing value from people

bitcoin based on a hard cap, limited fixed supply digital gold, can’t be inflated

unlike dollars

people overspend, go into debt, addicted to spending

that could be a whole series on how all that works, bring people on how can articulate pivotal points better than me

so many things are shut down, businesses activities shut down, less demand

supply and demand in decline because of covid-19, and value of dollar is decreasing

doesn’t just get rebooted by pressing the its okay to go back to work button

geographically isolated economic collapse, not usually whole world

in u.s. buffered by oceans in world war 2

empire the was able to restructure the world, pimp the bombed countries, 3rd and 4th worlds, now everybody’s taking a big hit

on one had, bargain deals of the millennium, people desperate, start dumping assets on market, prices will be driven down, things will be up for grabs

the counterbalance to that, simultaneously scarce items that are in demand will get price gouged, and scalped

raw capitalism

some goods and services are gonna be cheaper than they’ve ever been, then stuff that will be so scarce, people will pay anything for it

for me, be savvy, build a future by having capital in reserve, apply money to long term regenerative ecological assets, food security infrastructure, for local gardening

buy stuff when people are trying to sell

sucks to be pilfering, scavenging salvaging from people in distress, but hey if they’re happy to have whatever they can get for it, you’ll make them happy

that’s why I wanted to go back to work because if everything I want is gonna go on sale, I better have more money to get it

lot of people doing whatever they gotta do, don’t just spend money on whatever, invest as much as possible into regenerative infrastructure, seed stock, live stock

S: think this is gonna effect the price of houses and land

TP: real estate market gonna take a major hit, people can’t even see properties, virtual open houses, real estate industry still moving along but it’s tore up, people can’t move around

the further you get from hipster zones, the cheaper land gets, because of age of farmers in america now, buying opportunities like never before, last couple generations of farm families haven’t been maintaining the farms, gone to cities, to tech jobs, to college, average age of farmer if pretty old,

you could lease land and be a tenant farmer, not responsible for huge hidden cost burdens of owning property

helping them, retrofit to be organic, permaculture, they may have tractors, crops, maybe even a business, if we can take the leap of faith out of overpriced hipster urban zones, go back to land, will have way better options than during the dust bowl, ag industry devastated by ecological disaster, as bad as climate change is we can go back to the land, still have hipster culture online, don’t have to be a shit kicker at local saw dust joint

new movement of back to the landers, forced out of over priced hipster zones, help out aging farmers, bring new energy, could have a whole reboot of american ag sector, organic sustainable, we’ll be all the better for it, healthier happier, next time mega super bug comes around

public health, they didn’t come out and ban sugary products, obesity, diabetes cofactor in deaths from covid

be careful, don’t work to hard, don’t want to end up anywhere near the hospitals, stay healthy avoid the hospital for their sake and yours but get shit done and plant some shit

 

 

 

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Forest Love and Rugged Collectivism with Eco-Punk Mike Antipathy TPP269

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In this episode I’m joined by my old dear friend Mike Antipathy for a trip down memory lane back to the eco-punk squatted forests of the pacific northwest

Contact Mike at safetypunk (at) gmail (dot) com

Check out his Eco Punk Column here: http://slugandlettuce.net/columns/eco-punk

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

Old punk house, portland, or

vegan straight edge, deep ecology

trying to get land as a base to reclaim a bunch of everything

apathy and privilege rant

let’s get together and wreck shit

important for people of extreme left to get a dose of real back woods americana, politics of the constitution, boot strapping businesses, rugged diy attitudes

activist scene run by kids with trust funds

working in the woods cutting down trees

12 of use living in the house

kids traveling to europe, squatting we were stuck just working

bio region, forest, politically, right before WTO, big movement in portand, really exciting, coming off days of early 90s, nazis street fighting

more of a working class artist warehouse, used to ride bikes over there

spurkraft

first permaculture workshop with sasha scatter from icarus project

right as gentrification starting to crack, alberta, warehouse, the maul venue

liberation collective, all ages venues, record stores, collectives, solidarity and comradery across movements

wasn’t infected by super negative elitist eugene vibe

lot of toxicity

pre 9/11 heyday, more breathing room

anarchist collective network, stitch together different activities

the nuge survivalist workshop

backwoods skills

ted nugent documentary, metal heads joke about old rock and metal

he’s a deep character, people love to hate him, proto romance with survivalism

scheduled a workshop, the nuge workshop

school trustafarian crust punks, teach how to each things in the wild

virtues growing up working class white, grow up with guns, fire, chopping wood, machetes, watching red dawn 10,000 times

earth first heyday

Antipathy zine

13 going to record stores, super into Iron Maiden, Twisted Sister, Ozzy Osborne

Dead Kennedys

got out of abuse church, DK album cover, In God We Trust ep

Got that, had that song moral majority, nazi punks fuck off

Black Flag wasted era

Bad Brains

English stuff, Crass, Flux of Pink Indians, Rudimentary Peni

NY hardcore, politics dodgey but man the music

trying to get all the bands and all the music you can get into your head

Icky’s Tea house, 13th and Washington, venues in Eugene

Resist and Exist and Asylum gathering, apocalyptic mad max, profane existence, pull quote, a cross between braveheart and lord of the flies

portland was always weird, oregon’s mountains, everything drains into the columbia, eugene, the willamette, drains to columbia, then the pacific, punks metal heads queers, riot girls, drifted down stream to portland

big enough you could have this punk scene where you never had to associate with anyone else

hang out, you and the hippies, logger kids the smoked weed, eugene still had that, punks all hung out with the hippies, ravers, underground hip hop scene, cross cultural stuff wasn’t happening in portland

eugene had been a very very lefty, warren creek, saving last stands of old growth, feel into that hook line and sinker when I was 18

what if we had punk politics rebellion, bodies between trees and chainsaws, music festival, outreach, literature, speakers, connect kids to something bigger

Chaos Days 95

horror stories of the carnage

flyers for chaos days, 19 we rolled in thick, sf, turned out to be a bust

food not bombs

coming back man what if we did chaos days

get arrested for smart shit, icky’s sunshine the patron saint of all things counter culture, big shout out

just put in on man, I’ll make space for you, put out flyers, ads in maximum rock in roll, profane existence, slug and lettuce, booking

all the sudden 3000 punks from all over the world flooding eugene, raising hell, robbing liquor stores

city council meeting to lift camping ban, running for mayor

resist and exist, the punk scene in the 90s, trauma kids, mental illness

guy got throat slit, someone run over by train, skinhead problem

mutual aid network to defend selves from skin heads

sf scum fucks

horrible gang rape, intense shit

shows shut down

bands show up out of own pockets

road bike around eugene, underneath bridge, dystopia played, fanatics, all kicked off

skin heads showed up, starting shit, gutter punks, scum fucks, got super violent

watching all these gutter punks smashing heads with smilies, pivotal movement

for most of the people who survived times, extreme environments, a lot of us were idealist about a utopian pacifist anarchist, had to be tactical for the shows to happen, how much more anarchy could you get or could you want, we got what we prayed for, we got what we asked for, we just didn’t know at the time that we had it

asylum, chaos punx, train hoppers, amoral gangs, rape and pillage, mauraders, vandals, parasitized, they could have made a movie, decline of western civilization, hollywood drunx period, hdp

punk scene in la now is so good, love it so much

stiff little fingers show all old white people

where are the punks, where are the kids, everyone’s on their phone, filming, no ones dancing

the legend, troll, leader of the drunk punx

strung out, sweet kids

asylum, earth first going through growing pains

punk rock more radical, queer, take earth first to something more radical, bigger better world view than a bunch of straight dudes drinking coors

there’s this old growth, one stand, massive beautiful powerful trees, climbing 12 foot thick doug firs, we should do something about this

music festival in general area

some old log deck clearing, bands playing, workshops, invite all these different things a big presence will be this environmental movement,

sacred land don’t bring alcohol

earth first, going through wanting to have focused gatherings on sacred land, alcohol is really toxic and poison for a lot of native people

found amazing log deck up

not too far from hot springs

bands played all this water, everything was set up, kids from hollywood showed up

scum fuck kids from seattle showed up, turned into a warzone

van of alcohol rolls up, all the pc kids face the trauma kids

one night of bands, political kids fend off gnarly drunk punk trauma kids

giant orgy guy, with pick axe, taxing people for whatever they had, barbarian style

became orgy of violence and debaucherous robbery, primitive weapons

regroup in the city

h2h, the system created them, the system has to deal with them

never wanting to involve authorities in our bubble of anarcho punk utopia, felt we should have might, means, reasoning, collectivized consensus judicial systems to get through anything

at a certain point, it’s over our heads

notion that we should feel bad that we can’t handle the situation, we didn’t create it, the system did

we had that moment

pulled it together, relocate to new location

security meetings, perimeters

good times, hot springs, jumping off train bridge, made out in spin the bottle

bought manowar kinds of metal lp

really important that the music happened

remember driving away from the log deck, bitchin reservoir, Neil brought the food not bombs, legend, big shout out, still living the life,

he’d invite you over to his house to stay, vegan

driving away

whole arizona punk scene, really friendly, really tough

most of those hollywood kids are dead

good training for us wasn’t it

that was fucking raw man

sometimes you think you know what you’re life story is hinged on, the pivot points, now I’m realizing

eugene wasn’t a cult of john zerzan, it was a cult of group think

in the forest my heart chakra began to develop

fabric of punks, earth firsters, fall creek

almost half my life in l.a. I’m only in la because of the follow up

gotta recruit the foot soldiers of the punk movement, either apathetic or hyper political and don’t know what to do except book shows, make donations

the idea of living in off grind, anarchist community of earth first based, that whole tribal community, an experience not a lot of the radical punks got to have, I was blessed to eventually get there

when I first went to fall creek, camped there on and off for months

had that feeling I’ve got to mobilize the punk movement

went on us tour, ended up landing me in la for about 20 years, did bring some people out there

that was the spirit, how do we get these places protected, sorting through some of the really toxic riff raff and get some real eco warriors out there

give ourselves a toast, home break apple cherry cider

raising glass, bringing punks to the front line of fall creek

Mike Antipathy, eco punk column, antipathy zine

fall creek was one of the most dysfunctional fucked up environmental movements of its time, almost entirely staffed by trauma kids, a bunch died, from the trauma the ghosts, the demons they couldn’t escape, you don’t get into this shit unless something has gone really really sideways in your development

its a really good thing that we’re able to transform whatever bad shit happened to us into a desire to make the world a better place, not all of us get out of it

barely made it out of that, big glasses raised to all those people who didn’t make it, they were important

tribute to fall creek, and all the other people we’ve lost

fanzine, like to rant about stuff

look back, fuck

crazy, can’t believe it came out of my mouth, last one came out after 2000

super helpful

slug and lettuce, free newspaper all across the world, seen in south east asia, street punk market, stacks of slug and lettuce, out of the goodness of her heart

asked to write a column

reunification of rural roots, having been raised on a farm

if you think you can do forestry better, get up and do it

followed old generation earth firsters, we’re doing it better

fell into working on logging sites, tree climber, got into that, through that getting bigger and bigger in terms of work I was doing

talk about howling wolves, salmon run coming up the stream

print magazines for the subcultural left, and punk movement

internet, just too much, doesn’t matter

if you were gonna write a zine you had to put art, creativity, research, cut and paste, go places, to produce a zine the effort that would have to be made, was a heart work, don’t want to take that away from people who have blogs on the internet, but something to be said

generation gap between my youth and the new generation

back in my day joke, it was like this, walk 10 miles in the snow to get to school, american men, masculinity, their disgust and disdain at the softness of the next generation and how easy it is, and how they take things for granted and how privileged they are, it’s weird to now get that wisdom

thoughts on current punk scene, millenial, how have the millenials, picked up the culture of punk, amdist all the social media, big data, rigged and engineered algorithms, shadow ban you

where are we at with punk

super into, super into the way the young people are right now

really intense shit happening in the 80s and 90s not really as intense anymore

portland, nazis at shows mid to late 90s, now there’s not

didn’t see faces get stomped on curb, didn’t see heroin

go to a lot of shows, kids are so nice, so conscientious to each other

have more money these days, europe go to big punk fests, things are looking up, punks are leading the way, not doing the vapid shit of the sexy selfies so much

still around the scene, nothing moves me as much as my time, tour in mexico 2003, where I most dedicated most pure hearted, fabric of intergenerational punks, what I had always dreamed up

so cal pride

so much hate on millenials, being spoiled rotten, good to know

hopefully there will be more mentors

brings us through most of the chapters where we had been running in the same circles

get into some politics and some survivalist prepper stuff, debriefing on current events

take radical experiences and politics, cover tattoos and do ballsy work within the system

from that spirit of rugged collectivism, permaculture

zombie apocalypse fantasies where your mind at

wild, go into stores, shelved emptied of dumbest shit

not real scarcity

all the shit is still there, but people are freaked

two weeks a month of groceries so we’re not exposing ourself or contributing to more people dying

this is not the apocalypse I’d imagined I thought it was gonna have a lot more smoke, cop cars, sirens

y2k sitting in our mountain compound, waiting for the glow of burning cities in rural oregon, we were fuckin ready, bunch of dried beans

shit turned out to be a fuckin bust

unsung heros, not a geek or hacker, have to study info security, trying to catch up on what I had not been clued into, steve gibson, security now podcast, people laugh about how y2k was a non event, but only because the engineers busted their ass to make it not be

trippy point, I hear all these whistle blowers talk about how they’ve bungled the pandemic response, which governments have fucked everything up

if you do the proper preventative measures and you’re successful at preventing the catastrophe from happening, people will want to cut your budgets and say you’re wrong because it never happened, the thing you were predicting that you’re urging people to prepare for, if you’re effective at preparing for it and preventing it, then it’s not a thing, and people have cognitive dissonance, so then they get soft

south korea and singapore, more experience with SARS, culture of wearing masks

don’t get trampled on the way to the fema truck

live in a mexican neighborhood, exactly the same, stores are stocked, most people work in fields, not a lot of disposable income to buy all the toilet paper from costco

keeping local

not the apocalypse I wanted, where we got to be warlords

tin foil hat segment

some people scary, depending on where you are on the political spectrum, unraveling of world economy, opportunism, could go on some extreme tin foil hat

tin foil hat adventure

I don’t have much tin foil anymore

just being vegetarian, shopping in bulk, already had the bags of rice, nothing is out of wack, ammo from dead dad

have a 10 year old now, trying to teach him to be a better non toxic man

could be carriers of a virus that’s pretty gnarly

court systems all shut down

completely suspend habeas corpus, no right to speedy trial, indefinitely post poned

poor, mentally ill, mostly brown and black, get rid of the constitution indefinitely, let people linger for low level offenses

system’s even worse than we ever thought it was

not opposed to abolishing prisons, what are thoughts on trying to lesson density of over crowded prison, letting them out early into what, what’s their severance package, where they gonna go

prop 47, all the sudden supposed to let all the drug possession felonies, made it all misdemeanors, lack of treatment

gabor mate, science, trauma, addiction

prosecutors and cops running on 1950s notions, anyone who touches drugs is evil

most people in justice system don’t have experience with drugs and trauma, they should let more prisoners out

prisons make us less safe, prison increasingly traumatized, I don’t know

this whole system was made by slave owners

positive note, decriminalize nature movement, spreading across the nation, decriminalized plant and fungi entheogens

some jurisidictions, diversion programs incorporate trauma healing with entheogens

don’t feel hopeful about it, california is fascist as fuck, last place that does anything healthy with that as a state

state banned gay marriage on purpose in 2008, california is so completely backwards

I don’t think it’s gonna happen

despite people kicking heroin with iboga

not gonna have access to that healing modality, federally still illegal

things are getting worse legally than they ever have been, with exception of immigration

the state is going to take excess in as many directions as they can, then have to be austere in enforcement in other things

numbers of police departments, knocked out because of sick or quarantine

foreshadowing for emergent properties of anarchy that were never imagined

even losing of parking restrictions

dimensions of freedom that are unenforceable

we’re blessed to have the internet as long as it lasts

getting more into traditional survivalist communications, ham radio, late bloomer on, trying to go through thought experiments, what will you never forgive yourself if you don’t have this prep dialed in, you take for granted, you’re be said you didn’t prioritize what that was, everyone has a different checklist

I’m feeling pressure on as general question that can apply to anybody

no easy to cover ass, cover assets, do proper estate planning, what if you can’t do updated last will because you can’t assemble the witness you need to sign the document, government is doing all kinds of digitization of procedures

officially time stamp my intention

whatever is left after paying minimal debt, executor of will, power of attorney they would take some percentage to pay themselves for the time to sort out what intellectual property I have and what potential revenue streams may be funneling into my estate, decided I want whatever is net gain of my estate, to actually be distributed among non profits, I have no heirs, that are individuals, would rather structure something where I can say, here’s a list of non profits, I would want it distributed equally among the, 3 I have in mind are the Red Brigade in lucknow india,sexual abuse and rape survivors banded together to make most bad ass indian version of a riot girl collective, teaching each other self defense and martial arts, self policing neighborhoods, most bad ass warrior kung fu clan, martial arts masters from all over the world have gone to volunteer to train them, and give them seminars, they’ve set up non profit donations, part should go to them, part to the Women’s Visionary Congress, and the Decriminalize nature movement, all these represent what has kept me alive, and allowed me to transcend my traumas, I don’t know if what I said would hold up in any legal proceeding, at least this will exist til the paper work can happen

now everyone has a reason to do the unthinkable, do the estate planning

spoke to mother, here’s my plan, let me know your plan, this is a bridge we have to think about crossing

5 wishes, template to know how you have to frame things like how you want to be buried, what ritual you want around that, so people can’t abuse you after you’re gone, protect your soul:

I want to put this out, time stamping this conversation:

I would like to be cremated, and buried while planting a fruit or nut tree so that I sign can be posted saying here lies ben lawson feel free to piss on his grave and nitrify this fruit tree and if you ever cut it down or let it die, I’m gonna come back and haunt your ass

if you can donate organs donate organs

freeze my brain so my bitcoin holding will be worth gazillions more by the time they thaw me out

been trying to catch up on many years lost on anarcho primitivism versus cryptoanarchism

hacker punks, manifestos of crypto anarchy in early 90s, legacy of hacker collectives, the talk of the wall street billionaires, government officials abandoning their posts to join the movement

this is the thing you could commiserate on, I never believed anything anarchist came up with would be competitive with incumbent systems

they actually built something that was competitive, was able to out compete

line malcolm x once said, make the old system obsolete, they era that we were in , the analogy of how astonishing it is they were able to make millionaires and billionaires out of this hacker implementation of cryptography, it’s like saying food not bombs was so loved and so competitive with mcdonalds, kfc, everyone started showing up and paying everyone at food not bombs, fnb became the cherished favorite food of all americans, you never would have thought that something out of the anarchist caldron of creativity, would actually do that, without brute force, without violence, with an elegant ninja tactic, actually out manuver the system, and give it a run for its money, literally, and that’s what’s happened, something I’ve tried to catch up on, not for everybody to learn all the nuts and bolts, gotta raise the glass to all the geeks and hackers that I’ve always fuckin respected, the ones that told me that I shoulda fuckin paid attention to this and I was too busy huggin trees, I coulda bought those timber sales

thing with environmental movement is that a lot of the stuff we got out of that wasn’t actually what we went in there for, it was all those other lessons, we saved precious few forests but we learned a lot more, that you would never have learned if you were sittin in a dark apartment writing code and buying bitcoin

something to be said about wild forests, skinny dippin in natural waters, and smellin your own body odor and smellin your own shit everyday, those are formative things, that make us better

couldn’t have said it better, love you brother

no small contribution you’ve made to my life

stay wild

always remember, every day when I wake up I remember that quote, whatever keeps the barrel out of your mouth, that’s the proper way to live