Tag Archives: sex work

Loving Big in the COVID-19 Era with Alexandria Foxxcroft TPP258

Play

Alexandria Foxxcroft Pic

In this episode some joined by my esteemed colleague in mindful preparedness Alexandria Foxxcroft for an exploration of strategies to remain calm, peaceful, and loving amidst the chaos

About Alexandria:

Alexandria is a health educator and proponent of positive sexuality and mindfulness. With her skills and interests combined, she lovingly guides herself and others to deeper, more meaningful levels of pleasure and intimacy while holding space for life’s modern demands. You can find her art, life, and play on: https://www.instagram.com/alexandriafoxxcroft/

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

always a pleasure to collaborate and talk with you

what I’ve been up to since we last chatted on the podcast, I’m not living and performing vegas

volunteer at positive sexuality conference, that’s how we first got to talking

come full circle

as we are facing something completely unprecedented, corona virus, las vegas pretty much all shut down, casinos closed, hotels empty , strip is quiet, many people out of work, staying home, grocery store shelves are empty, some people panicking, upset, other peoples treating it summer break I get to rest, haven’t had a break from work for 5 years

for me, household, partner and I have enough to get us through some time, staying out of public spaces the best as we can, safety practices, staying connected to family, to loved ones, really enhancing my mindfulness practices, more yoga, more water, more baths, indulging in little things, those treats that might not seem all that important, really taking care of myself, stress lowers immune systems, be gentle with myself and others, think about that, everyone is going through this

we’re all experiencing these new stress levels, horizon, that’s not clear, extend a smile, be kind generous, take care of number one

I do really appreciate that being mindful of the media that we consume is very important right now, easy to get swept away, find trusted sources to check in with a couple times a day so you’re informed, don’t let the fear get in the way of your ability to respond with thought and intelligence

stay occupied, attending to our basic pleasure needs, something I am welcoming into my life as well, its a nice time to kind of say, I don’t need to be afraid, I don’t need to shy away from sex work and being an online presence that can show a healthy sexy intelligent spiritual way of holding my own in a sexual manner, being able to support your cam workers and entertain yourself and help them keep food on the table, past couple days been home thinking about ways to make money and keep the public engaged, keep myself engaged, account on chaturbate, played on that a bit last night, new platform for me, so many things that go on with it, mad props to everyone who’s able to do it and have fun with it, will leave that link with you, we’re all stuck in side, it’s nice to have some fun

drop in tune out check in

as you sit there or you’re laying or you’re in a state where you can come to pause, just enjoy that pause, feeling your breath, feeling your body, coming into awareness, just yourself, recognizing that you individual are part of this global universal collective, you person listening are a link in this beautiful web, multicolored, multitextured multipatterned fabric that makes up our entire being, attune to yourself, give yourself that love compassion, that permission to be, to be still, to be tender, to be nervous, happy excited, anxious, loving and loved, however you are, you are allowed to just be present with that, know that whatever is happening within your being, some one else is experiencing that as well, move outside of yourself and offer that love to someone, someone who’s easy to give love to, parent, child, friend, lover, teacher, stranger, offer them love however they are,

gentle quite acknowledgment, I see you, moving on to another, someone who when you think about them, feelings not so easy to touch on, acknowledge them as a human, encountering whatever life experiences they will encounter today, they are part of this beautiful tapistry, they are part of our story, offer them love, acknowledge their existence as part of this whole as we pass others, think about others through our day, acknowledge them as human just as we are, offer them love, peace and compassion, you seeing them will lead us through these dark times

it will help bolster you against anything that comes your way, every individual has a story, their own psychodrama, no need to take it personally, just acknowledge them as human, a link in this chain, take care of yourself let them take care of themselves, just be, be present, give yourself permission to slow down and recognize yourself as this beautiful beam of light, may not feel it but you are it, breath, breath connects us to our source, connecting to source allows us to align, allows to make decisions with more kindness, this is what we need right now, we call you to be your highest self so you can respond intelligently to anything that comes your way, in closing I uplift you I see you, may you feel held and not alone, inhale, exhale to release all doubt and all worry, inhale compassion and peace, namaste

Revolutionizing Adult Industry Payments with Allie Eve Knox of SpankChain TPP251

Play

Ameen Soleimani

Allie Eve Knox PicIn this episode I’m joined by Allie Eve Knox, VP of Sales at SpankChain for a exploration of her crypto journey and her role at the illustrious SpankChain crypto company

Allie is a Fetish Performer, Content Creator, VP of Sales at SpankChain

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

allie nox vp sales

super in debt,grad school, camming at night, do it house, didn’t have to sit in traffic

2014,

started shooting porn

custom videos, out of bedroom, camming

2017 found spank chain

got in fight with somebody on twitter,

you should hire me, sent resume, i work her now, these are the things i’m gonna do

coming into start up tech space, adult liaison, didn’t know how to deal with my dominatrix character

working with them since ICO

putting out a bunch of pr

we were so strange

aliens in the room

realized, people

weren’t assimilated into tech

did an ico in ico days 2017,

white paper, cam site, crypto only camsite, launched beta april 2018, no privates, no personal chat, site looked really good

beta for a year

discovered, shit hit the fan with crypto, started tanking, people stopped wanting to spend

hard to find user base to part with money

credit card payments brought in more traffic

user account process, get key phrases, all typical crypto stuff

people were really confused by it, constantly losing there stuff

had to completely overhaul the back end

took camsite down, launched few products

hopefully will be bring cam site back up

now first version, model profiles build off of that , where cam site and clip site built on

find favorite model

just put out very first version at AVN

model’s able to get own custom link,

here’s my link pay me through there

links to video content

basically whatever you want

so many benefits in crypto

I’ve had all my accounts shut down, I was violating the rules for selling panties or content

started taking crypto

no one’s gonna protect the adult industry

spankchain, we’re gonna make this for the adult industry

everything’s anonymous, not a thing where I wife is gonna find his credit card purchases

won’t get shut down, low fees

some sites take 50%

credit card processing, we pay taxes

with crypto we just take a 1% fee, .5% for merchants

stable coin, super exciting

really simple cash out process

wills done excellent job of making user experience super easy and intuitive

appreciate community coming together

building a platform models want to use

charge backs, all typical shit

take you’re finances

booty stable coin

really nice to count on,

really nice if I have $250 goal it’s gonna be the same price

whatever you bring in, minus 1% fee

at first didn’t have this on camsite in beta

having to explain price fluctuation

models want to know how to sell things

we just want to make it work, all the technical stuff I don’t know, it doesn’t matter

that’s all I need

I don’t really know how cash works or

don’t have anybody we partner with

gemini sex worker friendly

really good dealings with them

still have to go through exchange, kyc all those things

but I can kind of tease this, we are working on regulations for fiat offramp

load up on spank pay, go and pay bill

going through regulatory process on that, we’ll know mid march

due diligence, paperwork on all that

started camming, paid out on pay card

I could just go cash out automatically

really save me in times when I needed to get paid

that’s really gonna open doors for people

if we start seeing it in everyday practice showing friends

really hope that’s what’s coming next, h

we’re gonna clone product for other people in adult

cannabis, having a hell of a time with payments

there always getting fucked too, we’re gonna co-brand a product, like a white label

we targeted the people who needed this product

we wanted to build the things that the people needed

adult really needed it

this is what we’re all stoked on, this is how we live our lives

the bigger picture is white label it for whoever wants it

start with adoption for people who really need it

people who are unbankable

kind of a solution to a whole lot of problems

urge community to participate in this

send crypto on this

for me, someone in my camroom taught me how to use crypto

2018 started showing up different attitudes towards crypto

adult is always the forefront of technology

maybe if it takes off only a handfull will use it,

never came in there, we’re gonna change the game, we’re another solution we can solve a few problems, we’re hear, we don’t wanna fight

showing up year after year, friendly, hang out with models, provided good community

people started to take us more seriously

started winning awards, good press, kind of the black sheep, kinda strange ones

we were like the red headed step children of the industry

we kept showing up being friendly and cool, putting out products

markets have crashed but we’re still here

a little easier this last year, proven numbers, partners that really like us

been kind of a turning point

now its t

camsite didn’t have a lot of features

small team

takes a long time to do a lot of really cool shit

gave a space for people do do whatever they wanted

people slept

people garden

crypto allows you to do whatever the hell you want

free speech

so open, accepting

it was a no pressure zone, be yourself

smoke, eat

no ranking, no cam score

people were able to monetize it

one time, battle test on site, everybody on at the same time

we want you to break shit, push buttons all be streaming at the same time

spank house, going in tipping,

models streaming, we built this fucking product, spent every moment of our lives

really cool, everybody in this moment, so proud, so thankful model

spank house corporate culture

boys lived in venice beach, had a loft, had extra bedroom, most of team was remote

people would sleep on couches, get together a week a month, bang through things

boys had that place until this winter, downsized, it was a really great spot where the whole team could be together

we’re still remote, devs in canada, I’m in texas, to get team together on call once a week is not enough

company culture, spend a lot of time together, hang out together eat together, work together

we all get together and spend time together

working on this product, lived and breathed

I have a spank chain shirt,

we still have a problem, and have to build a solution

if eth is at 100 or 1000, still that problem out there, no one else is gonna do it

no one else has stepped up

we’re going to work every last second we possibly can

that’s one reason I’m still in this

I need someone to help me protect my money

I need this product

I will work tirelessly to make this product

this what drives every person on the team

whatever that markets gonna do

full force, here are the things we’re gonna do

market has changed so much

Seeking the Soul of Local Tantric Energy with Reverend Priestess Sandivel TPP240

Play

iX CheL Sandivel Pic

In this episode I’m joined by iX-Chel

For a conversation about what she’s been up to of late, her new insights into male sexual continence and energy cultivation, her thoughts on sex workers’ empowerment, her upcoming retreat, and much more!

About iX-Chel:

Reverend Priestess Sandivel, best known as iX-Chel Sandivel, is an intimacy mentor and guide. An Elite Tantra Educator and former Nike Elite Sponsored Runner, she was born in Mexico City and raised in Southern California. She is passionate about creating safe and expansive experiences that allow the human spirit to evolve with ecstatic awareness, confidence and self-love through her mentorship programs, personalized retreats in the tropical jungles of Mexico and playshop events all over the world.

Though movement practices, cultural experience, tantric breathing techniques and ceremonies, Sandivel supports others to discover a profound, ever lasting and orgasmic love within.

Adoring the Beloved Within: www.sandivel.com/retreat

Shamanic Pornography and the Ethics of Consent TPP230

Play

Consent Panel Pic

In this episode I’m sharing the 2019 Xbiz Show Consent Round Table session where I respectfully introduced a question for the panel on the ethics of consent for psychedelic shamanic pornography. Not knowing how I’d be received it took a bit of bravery to speak up but I was met with gracious insight and advisement from industry veterans. They were on point with their concerns and dissuasive remarks, all of which I take to heart and value like gold. I feel that whether you’re a sex work, porn performer or producer, or so called “civilian” with no involvement in the sex industry, this panel is very enlightening, and I thank them all very much for briefly holding space for my niche question.

Beta Testing Innovations in Hypnotic Trauma Healing with Ravyn Ryder TPP220

Play

Ravyn Ryder Pic

In this episode I’m joined by the illustrious and alluring Ravyn Ryder, a highly accomplished guidess of so many things pleasurable, shamanic, entrepreneurial and much more. In this episode we do a bit of an experiment whereby I volunteer to help beta test her innovative therapeutic modality involving eroticized hypnosis for healing. We catch up a bit on her endeavors, commiserate about the need for healers to do self-care, then she facilitates my opening up about deep childhood trauma, ill-fated sexual initiations, negative hard wiring through early stages of masturbation, how I may be able to use hypnosis techniques to re-parent myself retroactively, and much more.

This was a bit of a preliminary session in that it was mostly for me to open up to her so that should could take my input and go back to her alchemical laboratory formulate a program customized for my exact needs. So this is technically part one of what may be a multi-part series where she demonstrates the scope of her offering. I, of course am thrilled and honored to be blessed with this opportunity to be a part of her creative evolution, and I’ve been wanting to explore the hypnosis field much more as my experience has been minimal to date.

The hope is that our spelunking the sexual underworld and taking a proactive and constructive approach to confronting the collective subconsciousness of rape culture will lead to healing and transformation for all victims, perpetrators, and the future generations.

Please visit her website and check out her recent blog post on the effects of porn:

https://ravynryder.com/spirituallyscientificsexblog/effectsofporn

About Ravyn:
Ravyn Ryder is an Erotic Artist, Writer, and Sensual Educator. She has worked in the past professionally with men, women and couples as a Sensual Bodyworker, Dakini, Dominatrix, Courtesan and Long-Term Companion.

She is the creatrix of Body Ryding®, a sensual massage training sequence used to empower women by teaching erotic body slides, full body massage and the art of seduction.

She is a trained Tantric Educator and is a certified Practitioner and Trainer in the Art of Bondassage®. She has studied Swedish, Thai, Lomi Lomi, and Tantric massage with amazing healers all over the world.

She has worked with Shaman’s in Central and South America doing entheogenic medicine work in constant pursuit of personal growth and eager humbleness to learn more about the divine inner and outer universe. She has just recently returned from a 4 month stint in Central America and with a desire to shed light on both the beautiful and ugly complexities of healing with plant medicines, she is working on her first novel—an intimate memoir of her recent experience.

She has a degree in Behavioral Science with a minor in Marketing. She is a certified Life Coach, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Practitioner and is trained in Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Along with bodywork and training, she offers personal coaching to men, women and couples desiring to cultivate more pleasure in their lives.

Exploring the Lifestyle of a Phone Sex Artist with Sensual Sharon Somers TPP217

Play

Sharon Somers Pic

In this episode I’m joined by Sensual Sharon Somers for a fun and exciting exploration of the lifestyle of a phone sex artist. We learn about how the industry works, what it takes to make it, what to expect, how she’s been able to make it for years as a small business woman, the freedom and efficiency of home business operations, how she compassionately entertains and soothes the bizarre and often wounded sexual psyches of countless men, the patterns she’s observed, the broader ramifications for a more sexually healthy and expressed society, and much much more!

About Sharon :

Sharon has been a phone sex operator, recording artist and writer for adult websites for 11 years now. Her voice is well known online for the recordings of hundreds of erotic short stories she has done that are posted on her own sites and on erotic short stories sites.

https://erotictalkphonesex.com/index.html

https://eroticaudiorecordings.com/

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello Debra Levin podcast episode summaries who is a phone sex artist extraordinaire that’s all kinds of erotic audio and I reached out to The Exodus Community on the forms of extras. Net to see if there are any folks out there would like to do some self promotion and increase I had you keep folks on this podcast and had a few people step up and want to be on the show and then she’s one of them and I’m excited to share this beautiful wild Amazing adult industry with her and learn about 11 years I believe career in doing phone sex and an erotic audio media and I’m also in that game so I always love to meet other people who are doing doing that work and share that talk shopping and learn about some of the tricks of the trade so with that said Sharon do you want to tell us about it whatever detail is appropriate to come ask your true identity and to allow you to have your stage name but just curious if you could tell the story of Sharon Summers if it’s not totally your personal thank you very much for having me first of all being like a lot of ladies in the business unfortunately I got into it because of financial desperation granted that’s not the reason all women get into it but a lot do it, the last chance type of job for some people so I found myself doing that but I I found out pretty quickly that it actually fit perfectly in with my life I wanted something where I can work from home have the freedom of hours to login logout whenever I wanted if I need to go out for the day have a dentist appointment or want to go to the theater to see a matinee I don’t have anybody’s permission I can just log out and go and I love that kind of Freedom it it really just fits in with my nature so I started doing that and then very quickly after getting into the phone sex work I started doing the erotic audios and so clients will submit their stories that they’ve written about their fantasies and I will narrate them for them and they have those to enjoy and listen to over and over and over I mean want to call is over it’s over I don’t record calls or anything help clients don’t either but when they have an erotic audio they can just listen to that anytime they want that’s actually surprised me how many have said oh yes I do he’s a few times a week and I’m like wow you’re really getting your money’s worth out of those and I started doing writing for adult websites I had always written short stories for my own enjoyment before I ever got into anything at all. I’ve been writing short stories ever since I was a teenager and so I wrote a lot of the material for the earlier adios that I did before I mainly started doing one’s the clients submitted their work to me to narrate and so there was an owner of a phone sex company that was interested in posting some of my audio is on his his phone sex site from her clients that we’re waiting for collars and what not and so he said did you write these then I suggest and he said would you be interested in writing some blogs promoting my phone sex websites and I said of course I’ve never done it before but I’m willing to try so I’ve been writing for various phone sex websites for over 10 years on a weekly basis another operators as well because not all ladies enjoy the writing that they don’t have an aptitude for it and some companies actually will require the lady to submit a couple of written works a week because it helps a site with their search engine optimization Drive clients to the side against them higher up in the Google rankings and whatnot so they need somebody to write all this content and ladies that don’t like to write themselves will find somebody like me and I will write it for them then they pay me to do it so I do that in addition to the phone and the erotic audio said I do it’s so fascinating I just feel like we could be on Shark Tank or something right now or some other kind of really found your Niche and you it sounds like this is a calling for you and there’s so many layers of opportunity in ecosystem of feel like you are like pitching to Angel Investors and you’ve got a business plan you’ve got all these things kind of dialed in and and yeah just there should be a training program because it sounds like a dream life really isn’t it built the business unfortunately or fortunately for the veterans like me it has an extremely high turnover of women that we’ll try it some will only last a few hours some will last a few days so I’m a few weeks it’s not that common to find women that have been in it for the long haul like me and yet I know a couple of other ladies that have been doing it for 20 years 35 years have really been in the game from way before the internet even when it was just people working out of little Pocono call centers and whatnot I’ve always worked at home but when it started out before the internet people were working in these call centers I can’t even imagine doing a job like this then I call center it would be crazy but I know some of them have got this experience but a lot of girls that will try it they can’t deal with it they can’t deal with the needs and wants of some of these callers cuz they can be pretty unusual to have the kind waste so they will they’re just their socks off day they can’t do it so it has a very very high turnover of women that do it what do you think it takes to be one of the long-term success. I love to know what what you feel like Nikki. The power well I can only speak for myself I don’t know what motivates other people I think for the ones that really find out quickly that it fits in well with the lifestyle that they want to work from home have the flexibility of ours what have you they make it work and that was the boat that I’m in I never went to college I had never worked from the time I finish high school until I got into this I had only ever looked after my grandmother from the time I finish high school so when you’re here for a number of years you’ve never worked a day in your life your options are kind of limited on the flea and easy I certainly didn’t want to have to go back to school I hated school it just that was not what I wanted I mean who exactly is going to hire somebody that has zero experience you know what are your options McDonald’s or Wal-Mart really and I definitely we knew I did not want to do that so I told myself from day one failure was not an option that I had to make this work and I have made it work there certainly ladies that are a lot more successful profitable than I am but I get by I get by just fine and it just it fits perfectly so I knew that I had to make it work and it definitely helped that I do the audio is in the writing because that supplements my income there’s some lady said they only do calls there’s lots of them that don’t do any audio at all most certainly don’t do any writing so I’m very glad that I have those other things that I do and I do non-adult voice work as well not a lot the majority of the voice works that I do is adult in nature but I still have several companies that I do small jobs for for PBX phone systems where you know you’re doing Prince one for accounting press two for human resources guy do stuff like that as well as those I have several of these small little jobs of months I mean they’re just tiny little things but I always figured no matter how small the job is like that even if this company is only paying me $10 a month that’s $10 I otherwise would not have it all adds to the pot at the end of the month that’s how I look at it so yeah you know sometimes I’ll get 20 of reading some months from a company other time so only be a couple but they all out outfits how you have to look at it and you never know somebody that you’ve worked for they make it some kind of a lead for you of somebody else that wants somebody to do something like this and they’ll recommend you so there’s all kinds of different things by I love the voice over work I do the most boring job I ever had for voice-over was I had to take the series of audios on english-as-a-second-language oh my God that was just torture it really was a job get through it it was just the most boring tedious thing but I’m not there to be entertained I’m there to narrate their script I realized that I’m not there to have a great time so you just get through the work and and that’s it and I’m grateful for all these little voice over jobs that come my way adults or vanilla weather brings up a good point which is that anybody who has or whatever reason the occasion to even dabble in anything they don’t industry it’s going to give you a lot of life skills and negotiation skills communication skills business personal finance all kinds of even even legal sometimes contract writing and reading skills and so I looked that you’ve been able to Branch out and just sounds like you’re living the dream of the freelancer who’s actually been able to make it and then I never have to work for the man in a way that makes you feel like you’re stuck in a cubicle 95 or something him at school, she’s like you don’t know how lucky you’ve got it I wouldn’t say I’ve living the dream you know talking to guys and every day and night about their 2 inch penis as I don’t know where that would be considered living the dream but whenever it talking to the grates on my nerves and I can’t listen to one more of them complain about how they have a 2 inch penis or some other bizarre problem I have I just keep telling myself these people you know your bread and butter people that I’ve told the first thing that they will say is all you’re so lucky to be able to work from home that is one thing that everybody says one of the first things when I when I tell people that I do that they’re they’re jealous they want to be able to work from home and they can’t and some of them I got long commutes and I mean I love live theater I go to Toronto several times a year to go see shows and lots of times I’ll be sitting on the train I go on the commuter train in the morning and these poor people there like slave helicopter laptops own and everything doing their work on the way to work and sometimes they’ll tell me oh yeah I take the train for an hour there and an hour back or there was one way to deceive in 2 hours each way I thought what kind of life is that to be commuting one to two hours each way I wouldn’t do that for anyting you know my commutes for four feet from the bed to the chair her basically I just can’t imagine people having to commute like that in their whole lives are wrapped up in this is like dark when they leave the house dark by the time they get home that’s not a life for me so I’m very very grateful I can work at home awesome yeah well I actually had they said I’ve done been this work quite a number of hours myself and I said some of the best money I’ve ever made and you always get those repeat clients and they just kind of stuck in a loop of like a broken record of the fantasy and I just want to pump you full of the money like your pinball machine or something really interesting you bring up the point about that the man with small penises and you feel like you have developed weather maybe it’s inmates you or make you feel like you’ve been able to be in some sensor a priestess of spiritual healer something some way of therapists in the sense that you’re helping people move make some progress in their their fantasy lives there and their body image of king of size issues that you get that fine that the people can rely on you for some of that type of nutrient your healing energy when I was in school so this job has fulfilled a lot of fat but it’s funny that you say about Sin all the different pant suits I remember when I started I was so worried thinking how am I going to think of a difference little scenario to spend for these guys every single time they call Will it quickly became apparent that I’d say about 90% of collars when they call they basically want the same call over again and I thought so many times for it to be so much easier if you just recorded it and replayed it because it’s almost like to know the letter to be exact sense of what they want you to say they there’s very few that actually seek a lot of variety in their fantasies most of them want to go through the exact same fantasy every single time so it’s like you can do those calls with those types of collars practically on autopilot because you know exactly what they want once you’ve done it a few times you know you have the script basically in your head and it’s funny the way that some of them just want the same thing over and over and over and I’ve had some clients for the whole 11 years and there’s still the same way it’s like every time they call they want to talk about the exact same thing so it’s kind of amusing to me honestly that there that predictable write it that I’ve had the same experience and I suppose if it’s something that doesn’t seem really self abusive or harmful then I’ll go along with it and and humor them and everything but I can’t I send it that’s them in some direction of of transcendence of of something if it’s really troubling to them a really sort of negative in some sense that but she also can’t be judgmental right so so you can you without holding anybody specifically or any specific can use talk about some of the general patterns beyond the obligatory small penis calls and maybe even talking about that it’s like what are some of these patterns that you’ve observed over that many years of what what what what’s going on inside of the mind of you lose man you know we don’t know how much, babe what what percentage of the population they really really really represent you know if statistically but but it’s great to be great to hear from you sound like what some of the the patterns are people can relate the lives of others definitely patterns that emerge once you talk to some of these people and totally different guys that have nothing to do with one another and they basically have the same fantasies the small penis humiliation calls it that’s one of my most popular calls that I get I get more of those practically than any other type of call and the pattern does quickly present itself you know this poor guy Mother Nature has shortchanged him there’s nothing he can do no matter how much money he’s willing to spend no matter what kind of surgeries he’s willing to endear there’s not really much that he can do he’s got a small dick and he’s always going to have a small deck and it is so ingrained in their minds that women are going to reject them make fun of them mock them other men are going to belittle them that I swear if these men had their greatest prayer answered and they woke up the next day with an 8 inch penis they wouldn’t know what the hell to do with it because it is so part of their psyche that they are small and inadequate to please a woman they wouldn’t know what to do with it they really wouldn’t they would be very uncomfortable there’s been several of these guys that I’ve said well why don’t you just go to an escort and they’re not going to reject you as long as you’ve got money they’re not going to reject you and they get so uncomfortable when I said that that they will do everything but a dance to get away from you know me saying that so I tried not even bother saying it anymore because it’s just falling on deaf ears they don’t really want to go to any woman that is going to accept them because that is foreign that is uncomfortable and that is unfamiliar and they don’t want it and if they did go to some escort that would take them no matter how small their dick is they would be probably as limp as a dish Rag and not able to do anything because they’re on foreign territory they’re only used two women laughing at them in or telling their girlfriends and making fun of them it’s it’s so so part of their nature now, but that’s all they’ve known their whole lives they don’t want anybody to accept them and and I said especially with a guy that’s just slightly undersized if he says I’m 5 in the North American average erect so I’m like well as small but it’s workable it’s not worth rejecting somebody over and they they don’t want to hear this they do not want to hear acceptance on any level they’re like oh no know if it’s under a tin they’re to be reasoned with they just want to be mocked and made fun of but that pattern very quickly comes out especially with those ones that group more than any other there’s there’s definite patterns guys into spanking fetishes were usually caught by mom masturbating and spank him with the punishment and even though mom may have been dead for the last 30 years they’re still beating off thinking of getting you know spanked when they were a kid for getting caught that pattern quickly came out to that that one’s very predictable if a guy has a spanking fetish the chances are he was spanked as punishment well yeah this is I would have to I would have to be honest and say I’m not a trained psychotherapist your psychoanalyst or anything but are you acting sad devil is an armchair philosopher at least of all things psychological and I think a lot of people into it the the earliest erotic experiences 10 to do the most hard wiring for the rest of your life and it’s very very interesting to see what that serve cocktail of experiences and things going on internally the chemistry and and how that sort of gels into something that creates that that template that people get stuck with running so they have you had the experience of actually seeing anyone find any well even anyone that has a desire to say hey I’ve got this recurring fantasy that I can’t break free of but I want to and can you help me kind of work through some material and gets to the point of sending me some people might say freedom from it or just having some something to even compare it to cuz if that’s all they know then they don’t even know the outside of that that Fishbowl could be my friend there was one color that comes to mind when you say that if somebody to have a fetish that they really did want to break free from he had actually gone to a psychiatrist he was so upset by it and he wanted to stop it but he couldn’t and the topic that I absolutely hate and I hate when guys ever call I usually just tell him to call somebody else he was an adult baby and these guys put diapers on and they they wet their pants and and go to the bathroom in the midst of disgusting and this guy was so upset that he enjoyed doing this he said I come home after work I put on my diaper I sit on the floor and I know I rub my cock and then I go to the bathroom in my diaper oh my God it’s just disgusting so he he was he was crying on the phone he was sober Afton upset about this and he’s like I’ve actually gone to a psychiatrist because I just don’t know what to do to stop and he’s like well the psychiatrist told me I’m not hurting anybody yes it may be kind of icky but at the end of the day I’m not hurting anybody nobody knows about it it’s not affecting anybody’s life so I’m just probably going to have to live with this attraction to this fetish and carry it out it will and I thought well the psychiatrist is right he’s not hurting anybody but it is pretty gross but I guess there’s worse things that people could be doing but I really don’t enjoy collars that wants to talk about God cuz I I have a strong X Factor about that topic but there’s people doing all kinds of weird and believe me you really don’t want to know what your coworkers are friends or neighbors or anybody is doing behind closed doors they tell me what they do behind closed doors and I’m horrified it at a lot of the stuff they tell me and nobody in their life knows about it they keep it a secret and I just get it’s amazing how they unload all this stuff and I can understand they can’t tell their wives because she kicked them out they can’t tell their friends because they would never be looked at the same so they and they wouldn’t have the nerve to tell a psychiatrist you know looking face-to-face with them these things so they find girls like me to share these desires with that they can’t tell anybody else and in a way to great honor that they are literally telling me their deepest darkest thoughts especially when there a personal client where I take their credit card information and I know their real name I know their address I know I know all this personal information so it’s even more flattering that they’re entrusting me with this deeply personal information and giving me all this trust you know what some company where they call and they can say their name is John Smith and you have no idea who they really are that is as Anonymous As It Gets I have no way of knowing when they’re calling a company like that but when it’s a direct dial type of call like I have on my own line and a couple of other lines that I work at you do have their real information and I always think you know you’re lucky I’m an honest person if you ever got some lady that decided to go Rogue and blackmail you you could be in for a whole lot of embarrassment at some of the things that they tell you but that one with the adult baby fetish he definitely really wanted to stop that but he just for whatever reason wasn’t able to stop but he just was addicted to it and some guys are addicted that is the word I would use to some of their fetishes and they know that it’s not healthy they know that is not say some of the activities that they’re engaging in and it’s like a drug they just can’t stop themselves when I think some of these guys are telling me the Craigslist personals was closed down a few years ago it was like the end of the world for a lot of the faithful to call me believe me because it was such a huge part of their sex life they would be going on these personal than having random sex with strangers and some guys say oh yeah I met this guy on the Craigslist personals and I met him in the back of his van and Home Depot parking lot good way to meet a serial killer the risks that some of these people are taking to satisfy their sexual desires if it’s honestly quite horrifying sometimes yeah I’m with you on that I would say one of the one of the creepiest scenario that I have to encounter so far in my career doing phone sex on the side is that this thing I didn’t even know it existed but he had the kind of invite me to it he had to basically prep me and you kind of give me the script ahead of time a verbally so that I would know what scenario he wanted to be kind of dropped into and in and it was the whole bug chasing thing of you heard of that already dealt with it and I mustn’t there with you on this Theodore baby thing I just want to get to 314 because Freud was all about that sexuality is actually anyting in the body that could be described as pleasurable in that begins with weather in anal repulsive or whatever that is so people just get attached to maybe don’t grow up acceptors all theories to about your whole personality being shaped by how long you’re bursting experience was whether he was a C-section or whether there was fecal matter that you were exposed to the process of blood that can determine so many things is really shaping everything that is there’s a it’s quite a bit by bit material but I honestly think that the way you’re describing is it’s like the entire Orthodox world of academic psychology and sociology if if they’re not getting PhD in this field basically studying what you’re talkin about then they have no clue because like you’re saying most people do not talk about this stuff in any other don’t then with their trusted phone sex are they all squeaky clean but I really liked on the niteflirt I remember once on the nightfort website they had kind of like a an intro little animated video clip and it’s just the kind of promote obviously the platform and kind of explain how it works what not but there was like an intro beginning to it where it showed a bus stop like a cartoon bus stop I’m just a couple of random dudes and whoever and MMA put out thought Bubbles and it was a little cartoon characters of the fantasy that they’re all thinking of separately at the bus stop and it was like all the quintessential Kink BDSM archetypes in leather and you know bondage and whatever else but it’s just like the idea that is really what’s going on if you see if we’re honest you know you could be in any crowding and everybody sort of having these thoughts for them yeah do you think that I guess you I’m curious how you would describe the sort of spectrum of you seems to be people who some people would say they don’t have anything other than vanilla you know really team like missionary romantic style pharmacies in made in that could be totally true but then there’s a whole group of people who are may be in denial or they’re fighting to suppress more homosexual or more violent or just whatever types of Tennessee’s and they may never experience it or talk about it or even like play with it much in their Fantasy Life interest people who are open and out and experiencing it in the Kink community and then there’s people who seem to be kind of release Kirsten stuck in their own world where their stuff is just running their lives and they can’t they don’t have really a healthy weight it to express that I’m just wondering if you were to just have to take a guess at the general population would save America are like helps what what ratio do you think if there is a people in different you can kind of take it however you like this what would be your if you were the Surgeon General of America and you had to be issued a report talking about the state of American fetishism and she is it we’re looking at him or you say well I don’t know about exact percentages and obviously it would be different for ladies than it is for men I do occasionally get a lady, but I get so few I can’t generalize with them as much as I can with the men because of the sheer lack of volume of women for me that I talk to but for men I would say I would say well over 70% have some kind of a you know a real king I do get ones that are just vanilla and they only want the most basic you know sex oral just very very vanilla and that’s fine I’m happy they’re very easy there’s nothing growth and talking to those guys but there’s ones that are so far off the map and I do not even cater to the more extreme ones I if if somebody’s wanting to talk about something really bad and I just don’t do it and tell him to find somebody else but some there’s definitely a lot that have a kink there is there really is and they just they can’t share it with anybody so over 70% of got some weird little fantasy and that I guess weirdness is subjective isn’t it I hear so much weirdness that may be what I would consider practically normal somebody that the civilian not in the adult industry would think oh my God that’s so weird I like her own doesn’t seem weird so I think we’re nothing normalness is all very subjective you can’t really say well the percentage of weird this percentage is kinky but there’s so many it it really surprises me how many guys that call that want to be with another guy that’s one of the top fantasy Sig I have the guys have as well as they want to talk or you don’t have a guy fuck something I’m I was shocked at that when I first started in the business that it was that widespread I mean it’s a very high percentage of collars and it’s also very high percentage of callers that are wearing ladies underwear and I never expected that I had no idea there were so many men that were wearing ladies panties under their clothes it seems pretty high from the number of guys to tell me that so those two things really stand out that are way more common than people would think yeah it’s it’s so it’s so sad in its to me and said that it’s the culture of the dominant culture so repressive it’s not just allowed to to be in body in your feminine aspect you’re coming inside in a more outspoken Republic Manor in and stole that idea that you have to hide it under your clothes and you can’t just be like hey we got Casual Friday what’s up family and Tuesday and see all kinds of measurable issues in society but you know it’s also makes me think about how the whole notion of the private citizen right to privacy and then the public officers and officials in in politicians and whatnot it’s expected that that well within reason everything that they’re all of their interest all of their past all of anything that can be dug up about their life history is fair game to scrutinize and I don’t know maybe and certainly in in more queer friendly districts like West Hollywood or the Castro I’m sure that it’s actually a selling point to your dear constituents to be a letter or something but for most of the rest of the country you would not be elected or you will be impeached her or else it is or whatever asked to resign if it were to come out that any of that any of the things you described in in in or just anything that would be considered an aberration from that vanilla whatever you would see anything beyond that would get you in deep trouble socially and politically and yet all those people who have that power they’re the ones going to the Doms and even some of the most twisted like yeah if people had any idea who exactly people would be surprised who was calling there was a chief of police that used to call me and I thought if your chief of police would you not buy a Visa gift card and just tell me your name is John Smith rather than give me your real name and your real credit card. That was the first thought in my head and he actually send me a picture of himself for his uniform and I thought are you insane do you realize the amount of embarrassment if I went rogue that I could cause you your whole Precinct to be laughing your ass off that one is one of the top ones that sticks in my mind thinking why would you be broadcasting and all I never would have known that you were you sending me pictures of yourself and you before that one really I thought was amazing it was another guy that was a district attorney in a major city and he was telling me this and I thought wow I could really cause you embarrassment if I wasn’t a trustworthy honest person and yet they’re telling you they’re real David at all this information I got all my God this is just wild it really was and there was even this very low-level celebrity oh my God I never heard of this guy but I looked up his name and I quickly found its website and mainly does direct-to-video stuff that most people wouldn’t know who it is anyway and what he wanted to talk about was so horrific that I wouldn’t do it and I don’t have a lot of limits are a lot of taboos but I have some and he was Way Beyond my limits and I thought wow buddy if your fans ever had any idea what you were into you know that they’d be with torches on your lawn I was so horrified at what this guy wanted to talk about and I thought in this is a celebrity and even though I had never heard of him somebody that had co-starred in a movie with him I certainly did know who it was cuz I watch her on a spa for all the time and I thought wow I’m sure she has no idea what her co-star is into and it just these these people to have any kind of level of being well-known and either their field of work or their Community you would think that protecting their anonymity would be of utmost importance but they really don’t seem to care so it says It’s amazing so I don’t follow Sports in anyway and he told me that he was he was wanting racial humiliation he was a black guy and I get a fair number of racial humiliation calls as well that’s one way specials it’s and he had found my website and saw that I offered this in and so he was telling me all about this so you know it was a small table wasn’t anything spectacular but I just thought wow you know if somebody follows Sports they would probably heard of this guy and here he’s calling and paying me good money to call him one racial slur after another it just says listen to me I can actually it really is so they aren’t worried about their identities or anything well yeah they make this public service announcement this is now the 21st century and there’s something called cryptocurrency and there’s ways to use VMware Anonymous step handrails and also to encrypt messages and I’m at the point now where I’m kind of going off of the Rails a bit branching out from the the platforms that take a huge cut of your earnings to provide that sort of thing at least that degree of separation with your identity and you’re just letting me within the last I’d say year 2 years has the encryption encrypted messaging app ecosystem really matured and made them user-friendly now is user-friendly enough and intuitive enough for people used on a mass scale and the Snowden Revelations have helped to accelerate the mass adoption and the development development impetus for peer-to-peer in Crypt open source technology platforms that are accessible by apps on a smartphone and then also now there’s so many different ways to do cryptocurrencies and now a stablecoin cryptocurrencies where you don’t expose people to the volatility of price fluctuation that’s a mouthful but I’m wondering if you have are you it’s apps to Tabitha like you say there’s a lot of risk and even if you did your best to not reach or allowed to be reached any of that data that you have some level of responsibility over as you conduct your business to know it’s an interesting opportunity now to to Really Leverage The Power of encrypted promises encrypting free speech of of words and of money that smell possible for people still just curious if you looked into any of that I know it’s kind of where I’m blinded I don’t even own the self to keep private insecure Issa does not use anything with high-tech and then you’ll be fine by myself I have my laptop and my corded landline so sore throat is this a cell phone because I don’t leave home that often so if I’m at the dentist or the hardware store for an hour or two I think I can afford to be out of touch with anybody for that short of a Time if it’s that important it can wait till I get back home and I’ll be able to talk to him then but I would never be doing calls out and about and I know some girls do I’ve read posts of girls doing in the aisles at Walmart and the grocery store it and I think how could you do that but hey if that’s how they want to run things that’s their business but I would not do that I wish I would not want to be doing that I was outside of my home and possibly have somebody over here me and you never know how long a collar is going to beat you. Weather is going to be 3 minutes or 3 hours you have no idea so it’s just not practical to me I would not do that so if somebody calls me I am on a corded landline in my house that’s the only place I’m ever going to be when they call but yeah all that Tech stuff is so it’s sort of a Escapes Me well if you ever have clients that want to you know I want to have you if you feel like a doll just put it out there to you I can be your your text liaison in a department is trying to be at least at least on the curb if not ahead of the curve but but certainly not is as up to speed as I can because yeah there’s a kind of feel like there’s a lot of a lot of people who are younger who mistakes with thumb how there really not having a good sense of host of keeping their identity and they’re just people are very frivolous about how much personal information they share in on internet was called it back POF plenty of wisdom and actually on that note not to go too far into the dark side but have you had any I’m sure you had some but you know what what what advice would you give note having the level experience you have about about real creepers or did you know that my make you feel let me before you have a chance with this type of mop cut them up or hang up on them if they were to get threatening or to just get weirder abusive or anything like you have any I don’t want to get all Sensational with horror stories but maybe more practical in a sense of Life what do you have a saltwater bath ready to jump into if you feel creeped out or do you have some sort of self-care and what’s the deal with the shift whether it’s creepy or not what’s a very lucky that I don’t really attract clients like that different girls attract different types of collars very much so it’s like Baskin-Robbins there’s a different flavor for everybody and I have never even come close to having any color that was stalkerish or interested in you don’t meeting or anyting I’m a very honest open direct person probably much more so would be good for I am so direct with clients if they ask me something and I’ll tell them the truth usually and other girls are more like they are there Persona they are never going to break that fourth wall to them and is a role they will never admit you know this isn’t them or whatever it says I’m just not like that and a lot of guys like that sense of reality others as sort of a bubble and they will never call you again because you’re too much reality they’re not looking for that they’re looking for Fantasy so I have never ever ever had anything remotely like that and yet I know some girls have had real problems with that very serious ones I mean the horse everyone’s and I think well maybe it’s because they’re playing this role and they’re insisting that they really are this character and it’s just all too real to the guy and I’m like oh you know that’s that’s not how it is consider more of a flooded reality so I don’t have that problem with my clients at all I’m glad to hear that that’s that’s music to my ears what would you say knowing the girls who have had that experience of living able to shake them off or what are some Clyde I honestly don’t know because they’re just running their business totally different than I am so unless they decided to move to my business model they’re going to keep having this problem I mean some of these girls will say oh I’ve got this whole back story that my character lives in such and such a place and she’s such and such an age and you know she went to this school and and she did this and that and I’m like really you go to all this trouble I might I’m just me if a guy calls I’m just me I’m not putting on any stories I say I live in Ontario Canada which is true I don’t tell them the town that I live in cuz they don’t really need to know that but I’m not making up some story about what I did or what I didn’t that that’s just not me it’s just not and yet there’s a lot of girls that they write this whole back story this like a totally separate character and if that’s how they want to do it that’s fine and I know a lot of them do that’s what they feel comfortable with they don’t want to give any real information that’s fine and I don’t give much to the ones that I do but I’m just me no matter what guy calls them if a guy says I won’t Lobby been in a gangbang recently haven’t you wanted to be not going to get what he wants because I’m too based in reality like I said some guys like that some guys don’t you want to talk about any anything you want to close with would be great or just call it a good a good first episode look forward to connecting my phone sex site is erotic Talk phone sex. Com and my erotic audio site if you want to order a custom audio is erotic audio recordings. Com some people can easily be able to contact me there if they’re interested in setting up a call well if the button says available love usually available if it says that I usually remember to set that right you can just call the number if you wanted to do a call and if you wanted to order an audio guys will email me usually with their script to get an estimate which I can do from the word count I can give them a very close estimate as to how long it will be in the price and then we go from there all right I love that will custom audio clips Galore sounds like you you’re really got this workout and it sounds like you graduated from the dependence and Reliance on 3rd party platforms and you’ve got it all sorted in house is that right on your website or how does that are you part of a network or is it all kind of have my own sci-fi I am available on many many sites that I do calls on but I only I only promote my own site because it is of or benefit to me easily if a guy comes to my own site so even though the price a guy May pay would be the same say $2 a minute which is pretty standard if he calls me through some site I might only be getting a third of that if he calls my sight I’m getting ate almost every penny of that so where do you think I’m going to direct people of course I’m I don’t even tell them what Play Time on or what names I go by or anything I only ever tell them Sheeran on a rush and that is the only place that you will find Sharon Sharon all right all right are you ready to go find her on the on that website and appreciate you again it’s been a time to be on the shoulder and a lot and look forward to next time I see you again so much and thank you so much for having me www.sprint.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition assassini and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple viper bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email ben.com namaste

The Path of Sacred Sexuality Leadership with Erikaa Briones TPP189

Play

Erikaa Briones PicIn this episode I’m joined by the exalted fellow sacred sexuality educator Erikaa Briones for an enlightening adventure of personal transformation and empowerment.  She shares deep personal accounts of overcoming trauma and transmuting pain into power.  Along the path of her hero’s journey she was blessed with great allies.  She received transmissions of spiritual wisdom and truths that helped to accelerate the rediscovering of her inner and ancient divine sexual priestess.  Her cinematic narrative is the stuff of best sellers.

She provides an overview of her qualifications, services, and offerings and provides a warm invitation to reach out to her for guidance and support no matter where a seeker is at in their journey. She’s developed a wide variety of gifts that serve the diverse needs and desires of her clients.

We discuss goddess archetypes, business development for sexual healers and educators, the intersection of traditional and modern methods of goddess worship and much more.

Please visit her online at:
ErikaBriones.com

Collective. Her mission is to spread stories of love and sexuality by collecting different views around the world starting with her Mexican heritage . She also aims to collaborate with other ethical and conscious brands like PMSbox. Erikaa’s passion is empowering heart-centered men looking to unlock sexual confidence at a level they never thought possible.

Erikaa has been featured on Kaleidoscope radio, and interviewed social media icons like Adina Rivers, Adam Roa, and Stef Stifanos. A few of her guest have over 200 million views on YouTube. Erika’s personal crucible story is of the “return of the joyful little girl” A typical story most women can relate too where they were victimized by incest. In Erikaa’s experience she was the joyful little girl til 1993 where the actual storm and metaphorical storm hit her life. That was the year she learned to become a woman. She was also put into a cult by a Freemason, and overcame severe trauma that affected her health and sexual confidence. In her late mid 20’s she was searching for an awakening. Little did she know Tantra, and BDSM lead her down the path of transformation. Now she motivates other to discover sexuality through a place of inspired-action and love. She is now living her dream life and healing others that they can also transform their crucible story into sexual liberation.

In the show we discuss:

  • occult sexual initiation and the conditioning she had to overcome
  • double life as a sex worker
  • dominatrix work in Beverly Hills
  • 1 in 3 live a sexual double life
  • the hero’s journey
  • how the character leaves the village, leaving the good girl for the family identity, then going on adventures
  • the discovery of bdsm, escort work, tantra initiation
  • going into the belly of the beast
  • fighting inner and outer battles
  • the experience of opening up and coming out the world about her path and mission
  • the path to becoming a sexuality coach
  • coaching men in sacred sexuality
  • how being yourself in the context of sexuality is pretty scary
  • you may not know who you are in the moment
  • your family might disown you
  • you may feel alone
  • starting out working in bad conditions in a dark hole in the wall
  • finding salvation at a local book store
  • finding friendship there
  • the Pretty Woman movie plot as a fantasy for many sex workers
  • the dream of being rescued by a white knight
  • owning slutness
  • finding a client who was a prominent actor
  • Cinderella meets the Prince, with a plot twist
  • her tantric initiation by a her client
  • discovering tantric prayer, sex magic, devotion to nature, mindfullness, meditation
  • feeling honored
  • her inspiration from a motivational seminar and her path to leadership
  • how we start out seeking a guru and eventually we become one
  • becoming her own guru
  • discovering yab yum and kundalini energy work
  • discovering breathwork and chanting
  • remember past lives, reawakening her inner ancient priestess
  • the power of the left eye
  • downloading info from your tantric lover to your hard drive, your soul drive
  • feeling that we’re all one, feeling union in the present moment
  • evolving past the archetype of the needy lover, seeking external validation through sex
  • growing into the mission to change the ancestor codes, change family patterns
  • the social purpose to end abuses, violence, etc.
  • the need to be congruent with what your speaking about
  • doing your own inner work
  • the role of journally
  • personal meditation practice
  • going to tantra festivals
  • not about being better, more about being different
  • becoming your own muse
  • doing your modality on yourself
  • overcoming the fear of speaking
  • fine tuning your messaging
  • coming from heart centered values
  • mature love, spirituality, how deep can we go down the rabbit hole
  • you must really do the inner work
  • recoding messages to your younger self and your future self
  • how to coach oneself
  • starting out on Facebook live, going from one viewer to 5, to a whole community
  • how can you help your clients more than just yourself
  • pop culture figures like Beyonce speak from the heart and turn people on
  • knowing your weaknesses and seeking help in those areas of your business
  • her 3 month sexual self mastery coaching container
  • positive feedback from her clients having lost weight, skin cleared, overcoming limitations
  • the king, warrior, and magician archetypes
  • discovering and developing your ideal future self
  • the importance of drawing upon ancient traditions of goddess worship to inform and empower modern goddess worship methods and practices
  • coming to know tantric goddesses such as Lakshmi, Saraswati, and Kali
  • embodying the essence and wisdom of goddesses at different points in your life journey
  • the more you awaken a woman’s imagination, the more her pussy will awaken
  • the experience of worshiping at a tantric temple in Venice
  • how men can worship archetypal goddesses with and through their beloveds
  • the role of prayer and self purification as prerequisites for worshiping ones beloveds
  • and more!

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to touch your Punk podcast episode number 189 I’m being joined by Erica Briones and she is a coach from the evolved masculine and founder of the sexy Soul Collective and she is got so much exciting stuff to tell us about today I’m really excited we met a while back now but we made it a really amazing event that was being facilitated and discussions about healing Sexual Healing sexual trauma and and different modalities that people are using two to really Empower themselves and each other and so that was sort of the context where I got to see and hear about some of her work and it’s very exciting the work she’s doing with men and helping to raise the Consciousness in that Arena and so we’re all about that here so I can’t wait to hear lots more about what you do Erica thank you for being on and please go take your time going in detail introducing yourself and telling us about to what makes all the beautiful and Magic happen thank you so much for inviting me I’m really excited I have been coaching sexual self-mastery practices and you’ve been part of the video series so it’s really amazing to connect the the body and video to your voice and really getting to know your philosophy and just really connect with what what lessons I can serve to your audience and I really believe that these lessons are to weaken our inner-spirit and really connect with our sexuality and embrace both the Shadow and the lights absolutely absolutely well thank you that is a blessing and honor to know I’m yeah definitely a giggly and curious I always feel that you know I was blushing I hear stuff like that cuz I you know sometimes put stuff out there that’s like a voice in the wilderness but then you know you hear back people that are having positive effects and whatnot so I appreciate that thank you and yeah I want to ask about your personal Journey where would you say this path began for you and your life this past weekend since I was a little girl so I always share the story and I feel like I’m at a point where I’m Shifting the intention of the story so I was initiated into sex through a Freemason who taught me how to be a woman and use different modalities from you know putting me in a white rest in a call call the Rainbow girls and he is some black magic sand pendulum some hypnosis and down the line I feared sucks I sawed sex is dangerous and deadly he told me if you tell anyone you will be a prostitute or you will be living in the dumpster so I started taking that on and kind of becoming the archetype that he created where I was jostle I was shutdown I was naive I did not speak my truth and I was not happy and that story followed me till even after college I got into the movie the secretary the secretary is the film about this woman who is a cutter and eventually she becomes a secretary and transmits her pain from cutting to being spanked and being a submissive in a BDSM contacts so that story got me into BDSM and I moved to Beverly Hills and I became of dominatrix except I was living a double life telling people I was a secretary and I believe that one in three people are living a double life and as the story continues you know my hero’s journey and I’d call this the hero’s journey because every hero’s journey according to Joseph Campbell’s work you know the character leaves the village right the character leaves the village and for me it was leaving my identity of being the good girl you know being everything I can for the family and then the next part of the movie is the part where the character you know goes on an adventure and for me that was discovering BDSM and getting into Tantra doing escort type work and coaching men and you know I’ve been looking and looking and looking for these guys or this a weakening and when they discovered going into the belly of the Beast so there’s another part 2 movie where according to the hero’s journey there is the rebirth part where the character finally go through the battle scene they’re doing everything to do the inner work because there’s two stories and every film there’s an inner story and there is an otter story the inner story of the interest the inner script is who am I am I good enough am I sexy enough I buy dressing sexy and really confronting our our ego so we’re really battling the in Rico and then there’s the outer seen that the outer movie which is like the actual physical components that relates to it for me that was starting to share on Facebook hey guys I’m coming out to the world and this is what I’ve done and sharing with my friends publicly and I’ve always been envious of gay men for you know opening up and I will say that it is a scary thing so that’s a minor movie was the belly of the Beast and eventually one side overcame the threshold then the next part is coaching and you know now it’s like hey I’m making this my lifestyle I’m traveling the world it just came back from was on this beautiful island for like a week and you know been featured on podcast now I’m on iHeartRadio and coaching like some amazing Man comic book writers lawyers doctors not doctors lawyers police officers you know screenwriters and being able to be me and being yourself and the context of sexuality is it spring spray because you get to leave the village and yeah there will be times when your family may disown you there may be times where you may not know who you are in that moment but if I can share this to that person who needs to hear it and they’re in their car crying like who am I like what am I supposed to do you’re not alone because I’m talking to the woman who was me back in 2013 1314 where I was at Barnes and Nobles and I just left the I was actually doing happy endings in La is like the dark like hole in the wall and it was like this office and just smell like cinnamon and my church was Barnes and Nobles actually in and go to Barnes and Nobles and I’m praying and like I need to talk to someone there was only one person and he ended up always yelling at me if I was like awesome you yelling at me this is so cool and he was the only person I talk to at the time but if this reaches that one person who needs to hear it may be there at Barnes and Nobles or maybe they’re sitting at home crying thinking like maybe I’m alone no you’re not alone so that’s a story for that person and that’s why I do it well that was an intense right and I also many of these these archetypes are coming to play for me and I’ve been hearing a lot of people talk about just the other the value of understanding these these storylines Anis archetypes for personal development and sounds like you have really gone to hell and back and have a lot of fun experience and the end I can hear it in your voice that you you come from a lesson power place to a much more Empower place and I’m curious if you could talk about was there a specific Catalyst for you that got you to rise into creating a brand and doing kind of getting into a leadership role and speaking out was there was there like a a if that was a scene in that in that that script you know if you will was there a certain kind of pivotal aha moment or wake up call or something where you had enough and you just shifted dramatically or was it more gradual I’m just curious if maybe still stuck you know it’s watching Pretty Woman and thinking maybe I’ll be saved by the white Knights and I’ll be doing these like I’ll be like this sexy escort sacred sexuality prostitute or you know like I’ve never said that before but by the time I was just I didn’t know who I was and I thought I was just you know us a slide and now I own my spot for me it was when I didn’t mean to like the wine and I’m still single I met a client who I was actually a very public figure actor Golden Globe winner and I can’t really say his name due to confidentiality reasons but it was that moment when Cinderella meets the Prince dancing and then she has to go but there’s a Twist to my stories like the clutch with the plot twist wasn’t hey he finds a shoe and then we you know when we get married and like everything is awesome like don’t we wish that we are always happy at the end no for me was like oh my God I had this amazing Tantra experience I fell in love with Tantra because of him we were in this amazing bubble of safety really talking about agreements boundaries desires I help my boundaries despite who his name was and I said this is who I am and you have to meet me here and he completely respected every boundary he made me feel intelligent he did not make me feel like a the sexual person he made me feel like I was honored by my mind set my my Heritage and my spirit and I was able to learn about his culture and I thought wow this is a very intellectual King archetype this is the type of archetype that girl’s dream of meeting right the new going to a red carpet or meeting someone who has a name but for me it was him marrying the woman that I am supposed to rise in to write this is the scene that every woman wants to get into that that makeover story that how I lost weight and now I’m here and now I’m you know traveling the world like we all want to live that life for me it was not as easy as I am at this amazing guy I this happened next which the next thing that happened was I went to a tailopez seminar and I’m laughing because like I don’t resonate with his work as much as I used to back then but that’s gross right like you grow from one thing and it pivots you to the next Mentor I didn’t give it to to the next mentor and we’re all looking at that that grew at the top of the mountain but eventually we become That Grew at the top of the mountain and eventually we start to continue our journey to other lessons so he basically does pivoted me to get my lesson of I can be my own brand I can also teach what my teachers teach to others so it was it was a it was kind of the Cinderella story needs Like A Knight’s Tale type story where you know they just like conquer the the dragon and they they make it and they win their victory for me that victory was firing a client who was actually actually my client she was a stripper she found me on Yelp and apparently I was just teaching her what I learn and she says oh my God you’re so amazing you’re changing my life meditating now I am leaving this work I am so much happier because of that and I thought that was the best the best gift I’ve ever received his hearing someone say you changed my life like no one can ever take that away as when someone says like you made my life better you make me have a reason to live and it’s all about validation is about you really want people to succeed as you really want people to feel like overcome their challenges and struggles question cuz what what a ride that was taped to hear about my imagination is is spinning and all this is I hope you are writing a manuscript right now if you haven’t already published your memory so you know however whenever you feel comfortable doing that it sounds very Redemptive and very a very amazing so that’s so if I understand correctly one of your as as a as an escort you were sort of them at a lower point you are not as thrilled about what you’re doing but you were able to through just perseverance get to that that sort of the point of of great Fortune where you were not just meeting the the shadow Prince Cena or the knight in shining armor but actually a man who is skilled in Tantra which is rare and then he was able to sort of do a tundra makeover on you while giving you full dignity and full empowerment to take ownership of the process and not being whatever made into a trophy arm candy kind of a whatever you know that that you because there are people who certainly would just be content just oh yeah look I made it to the dino to the big time but I’m still being demeaned or I’m still there still a sort of them a lack of growth happening but you have like sort of The Best of Both Worlds you got you did have that that man come in so could you if I if I’m if I’m understanding correctly could you talk a little bit more about the sort of without disclosing anything confidential course I’m super curious how Tantra is is sort of this functioning in in the minds of men in in in those Realms of society and in how they how they practice it and what they’re you know they’re their way of approaching the the Siddharth and Sciences if you could talk a little bit more about that like what was your first did you do you have your man have a Kundalini Awakening or what was the this week as I’m the gym and nut chapter back to that time where I can actually remember the yab-yum so before I got into the yab-yum I said hey this is my boundaries is my desires I mean it I had a desire to kiss them and they just want to be like straight up and we all and say like hey I also have feelings except there was an Integris that I said hey this is the ground rules except if you do have a request please let me know to see if I am open to doing that so that was something that taught me about humility so before we go into yab-yum we do this meditation that was actually inspired by Deepak Chopra we talked about water and the Alchemy of water in a meditation was incredibly catharsis and it was about really connecting to humanity like how can we connect with our sexuality to raise the vibration here in the planet for the environment for the animals and it sounds It is Well except I love what that can do for the environment you know being more aware of how you are mindful of plastic or you’re mindful of how you throw away your trash so we start to do this this very simple meditation that we bring her hands and center and we start to like slowly move that that energy and water is a sacral energy right like sex sexual energy is like that water energy that’s like moving up the spine of the heart do the throat and then up the crown and finally to the heavens so we start with that and then after that we just start doing we going to Yad diamandis we’re doing a lot of rest and breathing and chanting and somehow we just get into the Transcendence of like magic where I start to like remember password I have some Druid priestesses and it was really interesting because there was something in his energy that brought up a memory of a past life you know as if I was he was there to teach me about my Priestess years because the thing is with the with the left eye and this is something I’ve learned from another country guys the last died in Tantra brings in a lot of ancient wisdom and everyone has their own wisdom right everyone listens or their own contact their own you know their own subscriptions are on magazines are on newspapers like everyone has their own wisdom and die with them gets passed on to you energetically whether you know it or not on a soul level that person is transferring energetic memories into your hard drive into your soul Drive and so once you start to get that download then you start to understand like who you are like and we’re all one we’re all aligned and. Switch Hunter teaches is expansion to liberate expanding Consciousness by liberating but the past and future to be in Union to be in the present moment and when I was doing that that ceremony that’s when I started to really get Tantra and it was really connecting to his inner child to his past lives to his pain to his his dreams and I also was also feeling that that sense of inspiration that raw awareness that lit up my inner archetype this inner archetype that went from the weakling lover so the weekly in the lover archetype you know the shadow aspect of it is the weakling or the needy child like I want more I want this you know what I like I’m not good enough I’m not Central enough like so I need to start you know getting validation through sex for me it was like okay I started to come from that point in my journey except once I started being aware I said oh no my next step is to change the change the ancestor codes change the the way that my mother spoke to me and share this new medicine this new codes to my sister’s to my brothers are the people that need to hear this because they’re still domestic violence there still sexual abuse there still slavery there so sex trafficking and it’s not going to stop until more more voice is like like a collection of voices start speaking this truth cinematic everything you’re describing and you’re so beautiful I’m so glad that there was a connection with it the meditation bring into elements and seeing I’ve had experiences with train very highly trained meditators who do this I gave open eye meditation eye gazing kind of Pooja where it’s pretty much guarantee that sort of like a parlor trick but it’s real and they will get you know you could go around and rotate within a room and then the train meditator is is able to pierce you basically energetically very gently but basically first you go through these clouds of different colors in Mondelez and then boom you’re seeing into their past lives like snapshots of their past lives and then you’re sort of morphing and melting into so it’s this very the Continuum of both of past lives it’s it’s very palpable when you get into these these very intentional state so I’m glad you brought that up and and that’s certainly one of the more mystical mystical properties in and certainly this year released you really making a great case for why people should embrace this is spiritual technology of Tantra because if it does help you is very explicit how it’s helping you help you understand your your higher self and your higher purposes into not. You’re not to not take shit from life or even from yourself for what you think of yourself and that’s what I like that’s what I like to what’s the weather going to Skype with So yeah thank you for sharing all that and it’s really it’s really beautiful and and humbling and something that we were talking about downloading to the to the the the hard drive of of the Soul you know actually I could almost heard you say heart heart Drive which will give you a good one too I think that they will fit to so yeah I guess if we can I get fast forward a bit from that was your sort of tantric initiation Awakening and so you from from that moment you’ve really started to build this Maven type career out of sharing this wisdom and in switching people on to this this level of Consciousness do you want to talk a bit about what the on the more professional sort of more back to the physical plane part of it what is it what has it look like for you to establish a Brandon and get your all of your ducks in a row so to speak on on that the physical playing notes of Business Development people think marketing brand is what people say when you leave the room so it really comes down to thalia’s like before you know using canva.com before using Graphics logos Flyers like SoundCloud what you doing it all comes down to making sure that you are in alignment like in line with what you are preaching you have to be congruent so if you’re speaking about you know you’re the sex goddess are you doing this type of work on yourself are you doing the inner work are you journaling are you meditating are you you know going to Tantra festivals are you having deep conversations with people yes okay then the next step is like what makes you different it’s not about being better it’s about what makes you different how are you saying things that are different for me I like pop culture okay so I like films I like media and something that has helped me is a passion test this is like something you like one of my psychics basically before I got before we get into The Branding answer I I told you I was like I really want to see if I can meet my muse and she says well first of all you’re going to be you’re going to be amazed yourself you’re going to be speaking to so many people you know you’re going to be talking and I said oh no that’s just not going to happen I’m not going to public speak I’m not going to talk and before you know it I feel that go to seminars I do my own modality on myself and then it happens and then the next piece is like once you overcome your fear of speaking then the next piece is really fine-tune your messaging so right now I don’t have a script for you I’m literally just coming from values coming from my heart what are my values integrity mature love spirituality really getting into a waking consciousness how deep can we go to the rabbit hole right like if you think about people like Alan Watts or wrong. They do to her marketing are you been laying the the teachers before it’s like ascending Masters they just literally spoke a truth spoke it was spoken word and people said oh my God I really like what this guy is saying I’m just I’m like feeling so energized by the message I’m getting high off of that message right that’s that’s branding and it but before you get to that you must really go into the inner work whether whether you’re listening to ROM Dass on their way home or you’re listening to all and you’re having a cry for me it was talking to myself like recording messages to my my younger self For My Future Self and then listening to it over over and seeing hey how can I how can I overcome some of my limiting beliefs how can I coach myself how can I actually coach myself so once you get into that then then then you can think about like you know branding weather doing like getting on Facebook Facebook live and for me once I started that like I started doing Facebook live talk to one person from Australia and then became 5 and then I’ll have like my own like community and that takes time like it’s building relationships making sure that your relationships it’s coming from hard how can you help them more than yourself how can you be up service how can you how can you mirror them in a way that they get their the last in a lot faster it’s like you know every artist has their own way of doing things like when you look at Beyonce she sings from her heart she has her own politics and her own philosophy with matter is she empowering People Are People feeling Unleashed are people playing the music and they’re like oh my God I want I feel so turned on by this right like that’s the type of branding that you really does come down to the soul the soul is like about the values and professionally you know like yeah you can do I can I can definitely tell your audience like what to do is besides like getting to the soul of the matter the next piece is like making sure when you write have an editor like have someone edit your stuff in your writing make sure your grammar is on point I something that I know is my point is grammar communicating in a way that it lands for people like making sure you understand public speaking I-44 one have never taken a public speaking class except I know that it’s super super critical to make sure that you have an attention-getter that you know how to really like know how to write know how to speak know how to like really get a person to that to feel that the message cuz that’s what we want is to really push the pivot the person to empowerment inspiration to feel sexually aware my my heart drives is catching up to a lot of that to this is it sounds like you’re really you’re really positioning yourself to be as significant with the spiritual and personal development and sexual development relieved to be I mean they say they say Destin Garrick is the is the Tony Robbins of Tantra will maybe it to me I’m hearing that you you you seem to me like the female Tony Robbins of Tantra and I appreciate that because yeah sometimes people have door to woo woo or two business and I like the way that you’re talking about really this is fundamentals this to me it sounds like if you were talking to it as an athlete and in people ask what their secret is it and they said you know I do the fundamentals thousand times to know and that’s why I’m the best sport or that’s how I’m different if it’s not about being better so I think this is really good stuff this is really good empowering material for people who are who are out there now trying to to make develop themselves and then also have an offering so maybe it’s probably a good time now to talk about more in detail what it is that you offer what are some of the programs and packages and you know you don’t have to go into specifics if you don’t want to but just going to really what anyone listen to this would be signing up for if they join your newsletter or join your live stream or did private sessions or or group Retreats or or what not just get into the offering so we great yeah well first your audience gets free meditations on Soundcloud I offer a lot of content already there’s a I have my YouTube channel Attica Brianna’s official and I haven’t been developing much content and that’s going to change soon again I’m doing these amazing amazing meditations and that the other thing that I’m offering is the Freak podcast so if your community has some BDSM lovers out there then I have the the podcast project lock is on Soundcloud and basically I’ve interviewed a lot of experts can collagist sexologist there’s also a discount or free code so if anyone’s into BDSM and you’re free code is sexy soul and you get House of a success and it’s a luxurious leather company with a bucket of design and elements that’s very stimulating to the eye and it’s really great on the table has the cops if so awesome I love it. It’s amazing amazing Exquisite like top of the line design that your followers can have and ask for coaching I do have a three-month container for the sexual self Mastery course or do I have to stay like you’re part of that the whole video series so if you want to watch Ben Daniels naked and beautiful doing his Mastery you’ll learn how to kind of become this amazing sexual master and really know what that means for you how to really get into your body how to really be present how to really be an amazing lover so that’s one of my favorite courses I love it so much I’ve had clients that have said that they lost way their skin clear their sex Got a Way deeper than before and again that’s the sexual self Mastery course and of course my other favorite course is the evolved masculine path course to really get into your archetype based on king warrior magician so we get to play the game of really getting into you playing your your archetype so as a little kid if you remember having an imaginary friend do you remember having an imaginary friend well when you have friends but that’s another story and then as as an adult this is pretty much sure your archetype which is not not an imaginary friend it’s a completely different thing that really pivots you into the direction of your path whether you want to be an amazing comic book writer are you you have this Vision to be the best at what so I can I get you there so that’s what I do is if it’s a three-month container and I’m like so excited and if you want to connect with me just go to edika be honest I’ll come that is e r i k a k as in kinky a b r i o n e s.com awesome that was a great story audio brochure that you just shared and I would say this is something yeah we got about a good 20 minutes or so left so depending on how is she holding up as we get close to an hour but I would say it’s kind of open it if you’re willing if you’re okay to have me open it up to a little bit of of dialogue here what I’m very curious about is the how goddess worship from a tantric perspective differs from an and maybe in forms or is is that the the interplay between the standard sort of Orthodox femdom goddess mistress archetype and then the sort of more more ancient tantric goddess as as Divine deity Giver of blessings shamanic healer Mother’s Day of the universe and all that kind of stuff I’m curious if you what in your what would be some of your words about how and you’re mine and your heart and soul and all your chakras how you how you transmute and how you play with with these different archetypes cuz they are they are at the top of the Pyramid of all creation and everything is one but in the differentiated forms that we live in now there’s certainly some I was just calling diversity then how people approach goddess worship so I’m curious what you would what you would say from your experience of integrating those archetypes of the goddess it’s a really good question so for me the goddess archetype goddess worship really comes down to really knowing the goddesses so for me and Tantra I learned about Lakshmi kolli set of swathi Lakshmi is this beautiful goddess no bathing water and a lot of these essential goddess Venus goddess were just like you know last week was Valentine’s Day so this is like perfect timing so Venus was sensual and all of her glory in a lot of these goddesses there’s this one Goddess that I remember she like this empowered bitch goddess but all of them have a theme of like in pictures and portraits in art and literature you see them like emerging from water right so having them celebrating them in water so for me goddess worship should always start in water right I think about it when you heard like taking a shower don’t you get your best ideas and water like when you’re taking a shower like oh my God I have such a great idea or I’m taking a shower well that water is nourishing you that water is a listening all of your all of your ideas having babies some babies when mothers have a paper the baby they do it in water ceremony it’s right like so it’s like a way more easy for the for the pelvic and massaging the the pelvis in water so for me like Lakshmi represents that goddess archetype of Love sensuality play also she frames the way that she frames it is I own my sensuality I know that I’m a goddess I am this powerful amazing person I am receiving I don’t need you to go to your platform I don’t need to rise to anyone if anything she has a really strong connection to God to source to her ascending Masters you know she celebrates dancing she celebrates through playing your sensuality but she really tunes into the higher majesties the higher mystery and then there’s that a sweat bee that is swappi is the goddess of creativity and she’s all about like getting into wisdom you know like sulfur to really anchor into the goddess worship you must really anchor her into her intellect to her Psychic Eye to what is she curious about understanding in terms of spirituality like what is it like you have to listen to Alan Watts do you have to like ask her questions about her childhood talk about lucid dreaming the more you activate Her Imagination her her pussy willow weekend it’s been awhile since I’ve chanting mantras but it when I was working in the tundra temple in Venice actually California surrounded by this beautiful Lush bed with peacocks all around amethyst crystals you know having sunlight opening up I was already in my Lakshmi but for me when I was in my set of Swampy my positioning was the study version of me right the studying version getting into my creativity journaling talking about manifesting my dreams and then the other the other goddess is Kali Kali Ma he’s my one of my favorites when I’m feeling fear so if you can for the men out there if you can really respect her calling Mom and you can respect her and her soft know when you can respect her body language if you’re noticing that she’s looking down if you’re noticing that there’s some weird energy if you’re noticing weird energy immediately she’s trying to tell you that she wants to waken her collie law Sky Kalima energies at Fierce mother Warrior protector she’s like that BDSM Queens like okay I want you on your knees bow down to the creek and you just listen there’s no ands buts or you simply listened because she’s teaching you with your body and when you learned how to be how to submit to Kali then you learn more about Mercy you learn more about judgment you learn more about immortality of Greece Kalamata is the teacher of the Shadow she’s at she’s the elixir of poison she’s the Snake Charmer she knows how to charm the snake so when you start to like embody the philosophy of Kali Saraswati Lakshmi and um you understand that philosophy than when you’re with her in a tantra session you can you can add the water you know like bathe her and water Sarge all of her beautiful curves that you know really start with the really asking permission you know praying before the Yoni is it okay like if you can pray before the Yoni OMG if you can pray before the Yoni you are giving honor to her Lakshmi you’re giving honor to her locked me you’re saying Queen may I enter your temple may I honor like and you have the prayer pose to my favorite my favorite personal prayer is the Balinese way the Balinese pray with an empty hand near the forehead so yeah prayer is a big one in goddess worship and then you know adding flowers but before you even pray you have to really absolve yourself of your own Karma absolve yourself of your own physical stuff that has happened before you enter into her energy field and then you of course have a dialogue which is the combination of the fattest glossy and the caller and then you can choose to do whatever whether you do breast you know you cover her and Roses you play on some sweet music and you simply know how to really adore her and it really just comes to adoring her inner child really like honoring her Queen and and holding space for all parts of her it’s a lot of work also thank you you definitely have impressed me because I feel like there is a real lack of connection with the sacred sexuality and there’s almost like a a bias within King sometimes about how sacred sexuality is almost vanilla because it’s not brutal and a half or something. I would counter that that census of just people honestly I’ve heard Dom’s some Pro Dom say say that they were repulsed by even the word hearing the word Yanni made them a Denver Post because it just it just seems so well I would I can I would have to use my own words to say that there is this sort of some sort of a backlash against this more prayerful material but I would say in my estimation it’s the if the most powerful this you’re talking about the most powerful what I believe to be what I’ve experienced has to be the most powerful kind of ritual procedure ceremony you know session work you can you can imagine is is putting yourself invoking these these these Essences and his energies sand and speaking with them and communicating and being in service and that it’s almost like if if I can do a little bit of a sidebar here and just say my gripe that I have with some of the Kink world in the BDSM world is that it can get very egotistical very fast and and I’ve seen you know even put a proton women who I do I want to worship but that I see you know I’m I’m here I want to I want to worship the Divine and I feel like I’m looking at just a really over bloated ego and I want to I want to get a bug that and beyond that and what you’re talking about for me is like the the big yes send the big the nurturing you know we’re all just fingers pointing to the Moon here we’re all just hoping to Aspire to be in communion with the Divine energies and and this is what it takes what you’re saying in my in my in my estimation is that you know this this sort of humility and the sort of procedure and the offerings and that is going back to the Town Creek methods of worship that are are are not so much not so much about the the torture chambers and in the market aside and the leather although I’m not demonizing those things I will say that they’re all part of everything is mama you know I sound level if you want to put it that way if you know but I just want to really really take a moment to from from my framework and not to project anything I’m saying on to you or anyone you work with her or anyone from that scene but I will say it is such a breath of fresh air to find women who are doing Dom work who are working with these practices it’s a real breath of fresh air so that was my that was my public service announcement and my sword editorializing there but yeah the more the merrier with that so thank you think one of my intentions is do events this year where I teach my own way of fusing Tantra and BDSM maybe you could be a devil model yes for sure I’m I’m open to anything and I feel like I live my life like that scene in Fight Club where it where Tyler Durden is getting bludgeon by the the mobster you know in the basement when they’re they’re trying to basically trying to break up their their underground boxing ring and I think they’re doing it for profit but really they’re doing it for Spirit and the way for for Brad Pitt to communicate that really to the world cuz that the whole movie was it was a ton trick Buddhist Treatise that was like a whole country scripture if people don’t don’t get that really go back and watch Fight Club and see this is like the the Divine masculine trying to break free from from the poison of patriarchy and that’s how I see it I’m like that I can I will take on the the pain of the feminine and I will you know D A I can be a masochist in and work with the energy and then let it flow in the in the fact you know you can see footage online on YouTube a lot of the Kali temples around the world the way that the that the computer is the priests and priestesses will and unfortunately in these days because of patriarchy it’s it’s it’s been skewed towards a priest class so there’s a lot of Kali temples in a world where it is a male-dominated profession to be a shamanic healer at the Kali Temple invoking the Shakti of collie and the Whippet the way that they will I have my own issues with that of course but it is interesting that something some of the things that they would do and you would appreciate this as a Dino from doing down work is that in order for the crowd of beleaguered glasses to come in and really believe that the priest is actually holding the power of the goddess and actually is invoking her left fully he will endure these these ordeals of getting whipped on an in and basically being flogged and whipped to prove that you can be kind of slashed with these whips on the on the on the forearm and have there be no marks and and show no pain and so that is sort of the the guarantee or the proof in the pudding that that that priest is doing the work to be imbued with her energy and so if she can take this abuse and not be crying or or cowering in the face that abused and then he’s qualified to to go in and hunt your demons you know and pull them out and unless you go about your way is it he did it’s fascinating to watch the footage of the stuff it’s no joke I mean it looks it looks like a dungeon in a Weird Al seeking I think the same the Same Love in the same healing at some level so that was that was enough for me but yeah we’re wrapping up here at are about about an hour or so would you like to take the floor and share anything else really make a call to action how can people connect with you how come people Debra Lee directly to get in contact with you and any words you like to share anything else you’d like to yatted to talk about before we before we get to call today the type of audience you have but I do want to say that a book that has really healed my my journey has been the book Urban Tantra by Barbara Corrales and I know that there’s like my intention like what my my vision is to help as many girls as possible to go from the Dark Side of the industry you know like working at massage parlors in because of focus esta this lot that’s really really an entrapment to teaching women to be sacred sexuality Educators to go from living to start double life where you’re you’re feeling on the edge you’re feeling like there’s going to be a risk involved maybe you’re going to have to see a client because you have to pay the rent and your trade in your like this is the only thing I have and you have to like you know basically fight and you don’t have to fight you have to really invite you to soften the Cena and so I’m like I guess like right now I’m speaking to the women that have had that shame and so my call to action is for women to really really awesome sells how how long am I going to be sick and tired of this story how long am I going to be living in the shadow of my life or am I willing to you know grab a flashlight and go to the other side and actually see that there is Beauty on the other side of the dark and you know if you have to call me and I or message me you know you could have easily go to sexy Soul Collective on Instagram or you could go on my website any guy, and we can have a chat really just like really connect virtually over coffee or tea and really see like how can we really support each other and if it means that you sign up for 3 months I’ll be great like my dream is to really Empower women to really overcome their you know overcome this and I love seeing women empowered but mostly the men that I have work with like I also see that they’re starting to like rise up against their masculine going from the broken Soul lost soul to empowered King owning their magician knowing their lover and having a really balance within all their archetypes by putting down your sink whether if your a guy who wants the last pain you’re like I just want to hustle my way out of the intimacy then that’s my client but mostly it’s because I want people to like wake up to their dreams that’s beautiful wake up to your dream that is that’s it has M Cohan right there you can forget about one sound one the sound of one hand clapping or does it visit tree falling make a sound that is that is a beautiful meditation right there to the end within and I will say if I could add a couple of sites here would just be that there has been an Exquisite pleasure and I feel like I feel like we’ve known each other a lot longer than then then we technically have known each other in this lifetime and and hopefully you have beautiful things will come forth from this conversation and just a big a big thank you again for this opportunity to just show your work and I look forward to the next time I’m sure just it’s always an open channel of communication if you have stuff you want to promote or talk about or anything in the future you want to share with your audience then by all means do that so yeah thank you so much again for your time and Namaste thank you blessings BWW. Township Park. Calm and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition assassini and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provides ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. Com Thomas Day

 

 

Empowering Sex Workers in East Los Angeles with Alejandra Aguilar Avelino TPP184

Play

Alejandra Aguilar Avelino Pic

In this episode I’m honored to be joined by Alejandra Aguilar Avelino, an advocate, educator and service provider at the East Los Angeles Women Center. We met there recently at a Sex Workers Outreach Project event and she gave a moving speech to explain a piece of art she created in solidarity with the victims of sexual violence.  Her extensive experience in community support work is truly profound and she shares some very deep and intense insights on the intersections of religion, sexuality, economics, and politics.

We explore the efforts and potential to organize male clients of sex workers  to show more solidarity and do more to support the health and well being of sex workers, and she shares some of her hopes and dreams for expanding the scope of services and outreach in the future.

I was very grateful to learn from her and to share a passion for improving the outcomes and quality of lives for sex workers through their whole life cycle. I’m hoping that her work and that of her peers and colleagues will be well financed so they can carry on doing such important work!

Please visit:

https://www.elawc.org/

https://www.facebook.com/elawc/

Alejandra Aguilar Avelino immigrated to the United States from her native Michoacán Mexico when she was eight years old. Alejandra has more than 16 years of experience in the field of Community Education. Alejandra’s beginnings were with Planned Parenthood Los Angeles as a Promotora Comunitaria. Alejandra had the honor to serve as Secretary and Chair of ALIANZA, the Los Angeles Caucus on HIV/AIDS in Los Angeles County.Currently Alejandra is the lead health educator, HIV counselor and support group facilitator at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center where she does HIV Navigation services. . Alejandra also provides support services to HIV-positive women and is an active member of several community planning bodies dedicated to the empowerment, health and well being of people. Alejandra has presented in several conferences at local and state level. Some of Alejandra’s passions are continuous learning, the empowerment of Latina Women, and she fights tirelessly against Gender Violence and Reproductive Justice. In her spare ?me Alejandra enjoys spending time with her family, hiking, reading and expanding her own small online business which she also uses as a tool to help other women reach economic independency.

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 184 I’m being joined by Alejandra Aguilar and she is the health educator an HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and we sort of met at a recent sex workers Outreach project event on December 17th which was the international day to end violence against sex workers and there was a beautiful creative artistic kind of community building event that was held there and that was the first time I had visited the East last night Women’s Center and I was very thrilled to know that that the place exists and of the great work they’re doing there and Alejandra was hosting the event through the space and has some really powerful and moving things to say about the work that she does in support of women’s health in and sexuality health and education and so I was very moved and thought I’d reach out and see if she like to tell us a bit more about her personal background and about what the great works that are offered at the center there so I’ll a hundred thank you so much for joining me looking forward to hearing more about your story thank you thank you Ben and thank you for inviting me to be part of this podcast so as you mention my name is HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and yeah I recalled that for a little over 42 years and one of the things that we always want to let people know is that this is a place where women silence is hurt for the community has their silence and so we decided to open up our space so that sex workers and their allies and come in and and have a safe place to meet and so I have been working in the field of HIV for in reproductive health for a little over 14 years and you know when I arrive to this country when I was 8 years old and one of the reasons why I’m very passionate about advocating for Women Health is because specially for the health and well-being and the needs of let me know is because many times Latinas specially Latinos who are aware of the services that might be out there to support them and so one of my one of my reasons for being an ally in in the the support of sex workers is to be able to avoid the needs of women especially one of the things that I did was I was a child care provider even though I was a child myself I used to babysit that the children of many sex workers women who were immigrants who worked up at sex workers and so I got to see a lot of the needs that a lot of the new show of the women and definitely a lot of them are children and so you know as I was getting older I decided to to look into this route of being of service to to the community by advocating for the needs of your penis growing up I got to see how special immigrant women for sexual abuse that shows fault interpersonal violence and definitely sexual explotation and when I started working at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center I thought this is perfect I get to work for an organization that is aligned with my beliefs and here I am 14 years into providing Services Organization advocating for the woman’s name well that is so powerful and thank you so much for sharing that and specially about your personal background ATS really moving to me I know that there that there is a lot of really strong feminist history and in feminist movement history around women sexual health and and support services and also and sort of sort of vaguely aware of different tensions that there have been within the feminist movement around 7 is sewer or not as supportive of sex workers or of women who were involved in the adult industry and some some who maybe are more supportive some curious if you have had to navigate any of those those politics within the women within the women’s movement about the sort of taboo subjective of the sex industry not necessarily you know I am very fortunate to be in this organization I’m very fortunate to have a strong network of providers that believe in advocating for everyone and when we say everyone it means every single person regardless of what they’re definitely here at the women’s center we do not see people for what they do we see them for who they are and so when we see when we see you know a sex worker we see them for who they are first and foremost a human being have to keep for them or what you would like and definitely no I haven’t encountered any of that it does not mean that it’s not the doesn’t accept them pretty sure there’s so many people that have encounter with you but I myself have not I’m really glad to hear that because I got that Vibe definitely that there was no judgment and no no sort of distance or or or judgment you about about that because it is so it is so much a part of life and people want to ignore it or people want to just hiding from it but it’s it’s a real serious issues I appreciate it very much that that you hold that space and and I want to thank you for doing that so if you could help us understand a bit about what the the most vital needs are of those those women who are doing work in the sex industry what are some of the things that people should know about as far as what they face on a daily basis and even ways that that people who are maybe just wanting to support them where are they they want to be allies how they can also be supportive but would definitely I cannot speak for everyone but I can’t I am able to speak for those who I have been fortunate and humble enough to provide services doing these are the Immigrant Latinos who work in the bars on the country has most of the time you asked about their needs what their needs are definitely there’s a lot of me to to provide them with resources resources and when I say resources what kinds of resources and support that they need to let them know about the right and to let them know that if they have been abused molested in any way that there is are places that can help them if they need just a space where they can just feel safe that there’s such a space about what we hope to who provides many of the women that we service the well-being overall well-being we are always concerned about their health their physical health or emotional health because we know that it can take a toll on their health specially those who work at night all we know that is if it can be difficult for them to to take care of that their help because the majority of them are also mothers and because they are mothers you know many times Latinas put the needs of their own meat how can I say it they put their needs before the needs of anyone else and they last one but they’re nice and so I want to advocate for them we also want to let them know that they have rights we hope to educate them about the right within the women that we service some of them are hiv-positive and so will support them we support them by providing resources for their help for them so that they can receive the services well thank you very much again for doing that work in something that I that I have been made very much aware of by my association with women who who would be considered those very strong feminist critique of the patriarchal economic structures and just the way capitalism works and how how this Empire is really built on on its own built on the backs of immigrant labor and and and from what you’re saying it’s also built on the bodies of the sex workers who who serve a lot of different types of male laborers and I’m wondering what if you care to share from your personal perspective what are some observations are inside sore or strong feelings you may have around what the what the role of men who may be there maybe they are sex buyers or maybe they are temps or maybe they are you know what and then you can any level of that economy do you ever have the opportunity to to Enlighten them or two to help them become more active in doing the support work for the for the women or what what is your feeling about the men who are just kind of you don’t hear a lot about the John’s or the Pimp C male a male and get you component we are thinking by myself a big advocate for making change in our communities mobilizing one of the one of the things that I do is when I am able to speak to groups of men and provide them with information writing with resources to do is to let them would like for them specially if they are consumers of the services of the women who are sex workers Michael is for them not to think of the women as object to know that there’s a story behind them that there that these women might have gone through many struggles am I making sense yes this is amazing I love to hear it to hear more about it cuz I feel like it’s so lacking it’s so lacking in that people actually try to educate them and whether it’s about using condoms or or being just mine. I’m being respectful this is Range Community and to use their voice to Advocate from them as well to use whatever privilege they have as meant to protect them to advocate for them that’s definitely one one of our pools and one of the things that we hope to accomplish is for for men to go beyond those gender roles that they are putting the moment they are born we want them to understand that they can break out of that box I agree with you yes wow so if that that thank you so much for sharing those insights that they’re really really touches my my heart and soul because I feel like I’m as myself as a sex worker myself I’ve been mistreated and abused and certainly I would have loved for the very wealthy the wealth of the wealthier of my clients to to be giving back and supporting nonprofit organizations that actually create a better life and more resources 400 why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t you give back to to like a trade Association it was helping you have a good experience in helping you get your needs met so hopefully yeah I’m excited to hear about what you’re doing over the other people will do that kind of Outreach as well so if we could talk a bit about the I feel like it’s it would be important to give some context for people listening to this what what the scope of sexual assault really looks like from your perspective you’re really seeing and I again am I feel very honored to speak with you knowing that you’re you’ve chosen to be putting yourself in a position to have so much exposure and really be very empathetic and very compassionate towards people who are in times of Crisis and some of the the most extreme trauma and current crisis so you could help to sensitize the listeners of this podcast to do some what it what is sort of typical cycle is when you have someone to say come in for services who is in trauma or crisis and in kind of what whatever is appropriate you know for you to share but that I think would be good for us to understand that means we started in 1976 and actually disorganization begin you know it was first bilingual confidential 24 hour 7 days a week crisis hotline to be able to service and provide support to survivors of sexual assault what we do is we have a hotline and call if they have just been assaulted molested or phrase taking cold even if it happened many years ago in another country we provide supporting the support looks something like this we we do Hospital accompany me to go to the hospital to provide support to the Survivor of rape and we’re able to see people all ages for survivors from a baby to someone well over the age of 90 we see that again we see them for who they are we see them as human beings Survivor and we are basically there to support them we allow them to have a safe safe space to come in and speak support when and if they’re ready mix someone is ready and they would like to come in and receive support we can provide them with counseling therapy and again we never tell them what to do we are there in their healing journey in the journey to heal I said we’re walking hand-in-hand with them so where’s that the healing path and soul Moana singing about in 2016 I remember in 2016 we provided services to over 10,000 women and children on the hotline movie about 2,200 called so we’re pretty busy if ever since that Open Door hotline has never closed and twice a year would provide training for people to become sexual assault advocate so that they can help survivors they can do hospital but also so that they get the keys for the needs of survivors important so after all of this exposure that you and your colleagues and peers with organization in and near the community of people that you’re connected with her your allies in Von forcement in the justice system and that the hospital system and the the sword I guess there’s also the social services and Family Services sectors of thumb of the county and in local local governments I’m curious if you could talk about some of the powder and some of the insides whatever you’ve been able to kind of a phone some conclusions you may have arrived at just about to the patterns of abuse and where you feel like the most effective interventions can occur on the preventative side of this issue how to do there’s definitely a lot to do but we definitely one of our one of them nothing’s that needs to happen to be able to to end sexual assault and domestic violence definitely HIV we need to end violence against women and homophobia swell we definitely know that if we end violence against women we end homophobia we are very well and then into the HIV epidemic we are definitely going to see Alright by very much agree with that and tell me what comes to mind from me for my personal experience in for my studies and I love to hear what you had what you would have to stay from your perspective Which is far more I would say far from a highly developed than mine because of the position that you that you’ve taken up and and I would say with what are your thoughts on the you mentioned machismo that’s something that I’m interested to hear more about what what that where that comes from and what you would how you would advise people to deconstruct that that sort of some aspect of violence in and then also alcohol and Andrew role that you feel that plays or substance abuse and how that feeds into the violence well it’s definitely a collaborative effort of everyone social service providers to law enforcement to every single every single person has a responsibility to an hour in one of the things we have are you aware of basically the women from targeted community wengage and Outreach and education and what they do is they increase awareness of sexual assault and resources and domestic violence victims and their families but they also bring awareness and so one of the things that that we have here in our organization in mind you all women that can be women that are actively working a sex workers women for HIV positive Housewives just about anyone and they go through this training where they learn about their culture how their cultural experiences shape their identity with a lot of focus on the Latino cultures and Value Inn in the experiences that they might have had growing up and still one of the things that we encourage them don’t is to look at what what are the values of culture that contribute in a positive way to to have better communities to to make them feel safe right it in to make a change in the world and to keep those we encourage them to look at the one that can be toxic that can be done that perpetuate and we encourage them to to look at both and decide which ones they want to keep which ones they want to transmit to other generation so we start with that beautiful well thank you for doing that as well in I’m curious if we could go to the next question which is the just to the prevalence of alcohol and domestic violence I think is pretty well well known that a lot of sexual assault and violence happened in in circumstances that are sort of fueled by drunkenness and I’m curious if you have thoughts on to substance abuse and alcoholism and how that how that affects the work that you do and the the the women that you support but we do know that it art again you know what we need people were there as we don’t we do not follow up a model of trauma-informed that means we are not going to shame people if they have issues with substance abuse know we can help them try to get to the root of why they’re they’re using or why they’re drinking rice I can tell you definitely my perspective from what I saw growing now I can tell you that issues with alcoholism are very prevalent with the with the women who work in the bar and the emptiness sex workers because that is part of their work in order to make a living they have to drink with the client and so many women that start working in the barn and the emptiness when they start working in the bar on the time peanut they have never you know in their life they have never had a drink but once they start working out of their job it’s how they make that living and some many of them develop alcoholism that’s one of the things that I saw and so you know if you if you asked to do it that many have a history of abuse or trauma that it don’t even know that they have this history of abuser, they don’t even know what to name those feeling you know very bad idea that depression you have a very difficult situation for for the person you know when one of these again that I hate that I was able to see I was able to see because of the lack of support and empowerment and resources available to this woman I saw in a bunch of this day I still seen any of them Works who no longer work in the calendar because there was no support there was no one to assist them teach them how to how to make a budget how to save the money or even how to invest some of them and not only that but a lot of them ended up with issues of alcohol yeah I hear you and that actually comes at least to my next question really which is about what you see as some of the the positive outcomes and the I would say to be clear I don’t believe that it’s wrong to be a sex worker ever see for myself fight I am the part of the six work industry so there are some people would say well you just need to go to church and you need to quit the lifestyle and and and you need to leave it all behind you which I’m not I’m not here to say is this is right or wrong but but I will I will say that I’m very interested in what what six I think about the concept of a success story or someone who has overcome substance abuse or alcoholism and if they choose to remain active in the sex industry but I from a healthier place or if they choose to move beyond that I’m curious what you what are some of the pathways that you have facilitated or witnessed of of women who have become really empowered either is former sex workers or or or sort of sex workers in recovery what are some of the success stories that you would say that you’ve been a part of each other’s privacy and confidentiality if I can tell you that there’s this particular woman who is what after she became involved and after she was able to gather with other women saw other women like herself all about the right person for most of the human bean learn that there is nothing to be ashamed of learn to speak remind learn to Advocate Parker cell I was able to see an amazing transformation this is a person who now is able to speak up for herself this is someone who is able to negotiate pay for sex which I think it’s amazing to see this is someone who if she feels that someone is making her feel ashamed because of what she does she’s able to speak up she doesn’t know her head as she used to be for not just that but her priority priority priority herself above anything else in that include making better decisions when it comes to drinking that our decisions for her mean eating what you drink tea not not drinking as much as she used to before that you will forget to take her medication doesn’t make sense that is In N safety she she has been able to say she now has a savings account which is tremendous you know because now she’s planning or for the years I had to fight absolutely well I’ll take you out to other women beautiful well that’s that’s very good to hear and thank you again for doing that and just maybe a couple few more questions one will be going back to the the other half of the equation which is the the male role in and all of this into client role so I sounds like you’re yeah you have a lot of experience working with women who were in that that culture of the bar and cantina world and so like you said that there will be drinking is just part of the job and I’m curious if you if you could reach into the heart and soul of the the male clients and understand where they’re coming from and if they would maybe intergenerational trauma or or personal issues that they may be dealing with in and if we were to make if we were to all be working together to create more empowered and more conscious and then we’re healthy men and male clients and then maybe they would maybe this sounds ridiculous I guess but but I would love to see a world where where sex work is is legal and where people clients and and and service providers could meet up at a healthy juice bar or something or like a farmers market or something you know where it’s it’s not always in the context of of alcohol and that kind of sort of sector and so I’m just curious if when you think about this and when you work in this in this world if you do you have any advice for four men who are just maybe this sort of their kind of being set up or something I don’t know why I don’t know what you how you feel about just the whole the nature of that in of that that world of the the bar scene in the all that wouldn’t be able to provide education you know when I go out and we have those messages that week we share with with menopause sensitive to have healthy relationships with all the people in their life okay and do would you say while we’re on the topic of the Mennonite and I appreciate it and it sounds like what needs to happen is that more more men need to step up and organize and do Outreach it’s you already sounds like you’re already very your hands are full working with women and it sounds like that would be good for more men to anybody listening who has that the resources or the means to to do more Outreach Two Men and hopefully that will that will happen and I would say I just want another question just while we’re on the topic is if you if you feel like there is do you feel like a lot of the men who are of War buying the sexual services at women are they are they not really functional in their in their their own marriages that are on family life and are they I guess I don’t know like I said the other is there anything you can say about about the profile or the sort of in the attitude or the State of Mind of the mail client server or are they just a lot of single man to hoodoo don’t have a wife and that therefore they had they feel like they have to get through the day but with a beer you know with getting some drinks and inviting some sex and again there is so much so much change that needs to happen in one of them against the things that I be all that needs to happen from what I saw you know growing up in a very traditional community at 8 I was born in Mexico and I grew up in the town I was very religious it was okay for men to go to a bar in to go to La Cantina to look to spend some time with women right because many of them felt have to ask for certain things from their wives or their girlfriends was disrespectful and so they grew up thinking that the women that worked in the bar in the Campina where it was okay to have certain things of them right certain sexual things or even just to drink with them right again that idea that the women that worked in the casino or less than the women that are at home but that should not be the case that we can community that there’s this idea that yeah I’m going to go to the bar I’m going to go to the one with her right or she will be willing to deliver for a Spur to do and I cannot ask my wife to do that because she’s a good wife or she’s a good woman or she’s going to get offended if I ask her to do certain things when it might be very well that her wife at home or at home is wishing he will do those things with her because of how she grew up in this box that she was playing through gender role that don’t ask for something sexual well your violence violence that that if you are a good wife you would not dare ask for any of that and so that’s one of the things that I’m very passionate about teaching women again we let you know when it’s okay to to look for pleasure it’s okay to have conversations with your partner about certain things it’s okay to explore as long as you are both okay in the end it’s okay to look for a relationship with someone who is not going to feel threatened if you ask for certain things for your own pleasure well that is really powerful and I appreciate you saying that that really means a lot that really helps me understand a lot better and I hope I hope we can move towards that and and I appreciate the work you’re doing to create that space to explore and understand and and change the is paradigm so you’re so another question I have for you which is kind of this kind of extraordinary but I like to I like to do you know what some people call a thought experiment where you just think about what obviously you have you have some budgetary constraints and you have people power constraints but if you and your team or your colleagues the people you work within your organization if you somehow we’re blessed with the resources and the even just to say you won the lottery or something absurd like that but it was just say you had you had really almost Limitless potential or and Empower even politically to say okay this is all of this is all of the wisdom that we have and these are the proposals that we have and and if you just had what what you need to talk about investment and whatnot so if there was a if there was a venture capital firm that says we really think what you’re doing is important and we feel like that there is a benefit to society to have you you all have more resources and really if you if you had almost Limitless budget what are some of the things that you would do to to accelerate and grow and expand you know your services in certainly how I mean I would love to see since having been to the place you know your location I would love to see myself I would love to see you have more more acreage you no more land and something like the weirdest El Centro Farm was there some place where you can have Community Gardens in actual herbal Gardens in and healing natural areas and places for meeting that we’re outside and there were also safe and also had security so that’s just kind of what comes to my mind but I’m curious what you would do or what you would sort of dream up if you had almost no limits to what you can imagine wow there’s so much that we will definitely do love I can tell you that with a bigger budget we will definitely be able to since we will not have waiting list for four clients to to enrolled into into a program but definitely one thing will be to to increase to provide more support for the women that are hiv-positive because of budget I’m talking about financial support very limited women are always left behind and yet they’re the ones that love to see more help women’s health programs that are more sex-positive that are inclusive of sexual trauma Empower women to advocate for their sexual health definitely expand more men’s healing talking circles where they can wear the men pink and strengthen the relationship that we would love to see that but definitely if there was no monetary restrictions more more a healing circles or for women where they can talk about their health advocate for the health including their sexual health awesome thank you so much for sharing and I’m hoping that all of your dreams will come true you’re suddenly during such important and if I don’t work in the community and so yeah I wish you absolutely the best moving forward and hopefully yeah we’ll see each other again and then more more collaboration will happen that will be mutually supportive within our communities do you have any closing words you’d like to share and then also do you want to share the website URLs and any other links or any other ways to connect that would be great bilingual 24-hour hotline anyone can reach this hotline 24/7 the number is 800 5856 231 once again is 800-585-6231 and our website is www.ladwp.com org once again is so absolutely yes sir I appreciate it’s been an honor and do you have any last closing words you like to say is just a call to action or or things that you feel like if if people knew in NC could hear this voice than they would they would they would want to step up and and I guess it was before we say that you are a 501 c 3 charitable non-profit so donations are tax-deductible am I correct that we are especially in need of support because we have the only shelter in the mission where people can can go if they have just been sexually assaulted or if they have just landed on the hospital and they’re afraid to go back home or back to where the perpetrator or abuser is and we definitely need a lot of support for that our women’s HIV program a lot of sports comidas up with some sort of supporting in the dollar if you can share our website with others or even our Facebook page elawc please go ahead and do so we will be very grateful thank you so much Alejandro I think that was a really good introduction to all of the the work you’re doing and I hope that’s a lots of good things come from this and hopefully we will have meet again and and maybe we can follow up again and have you back on sometime in the future talk about some new developments and hopefully there’s there will be a lot more a lot more great things happening in the future so thank you again for your time and we’ll be in touch okay bye bye thank you for listening to the touch of Honey Pot www.entrepreneur.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temple in every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Damas de

Futurizing the Public Policy of Sex Work with Devika the Techy Tantrika TPP183

Play

Devika Signh Pic

In this episode I’m joined again by dear friend and tantric comrade Devika the Techy Tantrika for a discussion about the future of public policy for sex workers, sex educators, sex technologists, and more. We explore our mutual fascination for the study of how sexuality is regulated by policy makers who seem to have decreasing interest in consulting with the populations their laws affect the most. An emergent property of our convo is the fleshing out of a sort of verbal white paper outlining the problems we’re facing in the sex industry and the innovative solutions that are rapidly evolving in the sex tech space.

Check out our first episode for more info on her personal backstory:

https://tantrapunk.com/open-source-intimacy-with-devika-the-techy-tantrika-tpp131/

About Devika:

Devika J. Singh/The Techy Tantrika is a Tantric Sex and Self-Relationship Coach as well as a Performess. Her diverse creative endeavours as well as her views on holistic sex, intimacy, self-relationship and self-care have culminated into the one-on-one online coaching practice she has today. Devika’s unique take on traditional and Neo-Tantric practices along with her continuous dedication to providing commentary on tech trends that affect the way we date and intimately connect shine through in her YouTube video series where she provides Tantric sex and dating advice to her audience.

You can find Devika’s YouTube sex+dating advice video series at youtube.com/thetechytantrika

Follow her Instagram at:
http://www.instagram.com/thetechytantrika

You can also find out more about her coaching practice and writing at devika-singh.com

Topics we discuss include:

  • the future of age verification regulation and innovations in blockchain tech
  • the hyper regulation of fosta/sesta
  • https://www.woodhullfoundation.org/
  • statistics of harm reduction in decriminalized sex industries
  • how criminalization of websites pushes sex workers back into the hands of pimps
  • the risks to sex workers increasing as regulations take away online reputation and client vetting systems
  • with more rights, sex workers can build more resilient safety nets
  • law enforcement is actually disempowered by fosta/sesta as they no longer have a places to gather evidence and conduct investigations
  • lessons from Nevada and Amsterdam sex work policy
  • December 17th International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project USA
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project Los Angeles
  • Sex work as a layer in the “software stack” that is modern civilization
  • the need for tantra corporate retreats to better facilitate the intelligent flow of sexual energy for increase productivity and team building
  • sex workers do God’s work
  • involuntary celebates Vice article
  • how sex workers prevent violence by providing much needed sexual outlets for those who’s sexually needs are unmet in relationships
  • the value of polyamory community to open public discourse on alternative relationship models
  • the importance of consent and how healthy sex industries facilitate consent best practices
  • the agility of technology and the slow rate of change in government sectors
  • the need for tantra instructors to have the same protections and freedoms as spiritual and religious leaders
  • how those in the sex industry have to live double lives and hide their sexual identity to fit into mainstream society, maintain or apply for jobs, etc.
  • how current systems are outdated and barbaric
  • how open-source and peer-to-peer technologies are creating new dimensions of freedom and empowerment
  • the libertarian sentiment: “stater’s gonna state”
  • Caligula’s regulation and taxation of brothels in ancient Rome
  • the potential for technology to prevent insurrectionary street battles with police such as in the origins of the gay rights movement and the Stonewall Riots
  • the need for tech savy sexuality educators, service providers and policy makers in the Nevada blockchain city
  • crypto billionaries building crypto social infrastructure in Puetro Rico
  • the Silicon Valley of Crypto in Zug, Switzerland
  • Joe Lubin’s sex positive attitude towards Ameen Soliemani and SpankChain
  • the sexual economics of the wild west and the evolution of brothels
  • how sex workers have generated the revenue for municipal projects, public works, and civil services in gold rush town
  • the progressive sex work policies in Australia
  • the tragic irony of how sexual health has evolved, and public policy around sex work has devolved
  • advocating for natural birth control methods beyond the rhythm method
  • revitalizing ancient sexual health wisdom and practices
  • how sex workers are better qualified to teach sex ed and safer sex
  • the history of witch trials and burning
  • the demonization of midwives for empowering women to have sexual and reproductive sovereignty
  • the often unexamined and unacknowledged negative side effects of birth control pills
  • ancient yogini cults of India and the rebellion of tantric witches in India
  • how marginalized women such as widows, prostitutes, and those who’ve escaped abusive relationships are a force to be reckoned with when they organize and band together
  • differences between neo-tantra and classical tantra
  • how 2019 will be the year of the sex witch
  • yoni steam baths with Steamy Chick
  • how midwives often become referees in hospital birthing situations where mother’s are mistreated and misinformed
  • the power of women in crypto and blockchain
  • the women of crypto track at the crypto invest summit
  • the southern california blockchain community and Blockchain Beach meet up
  • financial feminism in the crypto space
  • the hypocrisy of law maker sex buyers who legislate against sex workers
  • reverse doxing
  • the Ashley Madison hack
  • the notion that high profile clients should give back to support the decriminalization, unionization, health benefits, and other rights and amenities for sex workers
  • the notion of the techno shaman and their roles and responsibilities in protecting and defending the global cyber village
  • if good people don’t master tech, only the bad people will
  • future visions for goddess temples where sex is earned through meaningful local service to the women and the health of their families and their full life cycles
  • the political economy of making love not war and how throughout history love has been suppressed to create less attached soldiers
  • the under-representation of women in tech and computer science
  • the depressing statistics on venture funding and C-level employment for females
  • how a world with more balanced access to funding and corporate authority is as yet unimaginable, but we anticipate it to be much healthier, more beautiful, safe, and equitable, most importantly for sex workers and the sex trade

 

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 184 I’m being joined by Alejandra Aguilar and she is the health educator an HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and we sort of met at a recent sex workers Outreach project event on December 17th which was the international day to end violence against sex workers and there was a beautiful creative artistic kind of community building event that was held there and that was the first time I had visited the East last night Women’s Center and I was very thrilled to know that that the place exists and of the great work they’re doing there and Alejandra was hosting the event through the space and has some really powerful and moving things to say about the work that she does in support of women’s health in and sexuality health and education and so I was very moved and thought I’d reach out and see if she like to tell us a bit more about her personal background and about what the great works that are offered at the center there so I’ll a hundred thank you so much for joining me looking forward to hearing more about your story thank you thank you Ben and thank you for inviting me to be part of this podcast so as you mention my name is HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and yeah I recalled that for a little over 42 years and one of the things that we always want to let people know is that this is a place where women silence is hurt for the community has their silence and so we decided to open up our space so that sex workers and their allies and come in and and have a safe place to meet and so I have been working in the field of HIV for in reproductive health for a little over 14 years and you know when I arrive to this country when I was 8 years old and one of the reasons why I’m very passionate about advocating for Women Health is because specially for the health and well-being and the needs of let me know is because many times Latinas specially Latinos who are aware of the services that might be out there to support them and so one of my one of my reasons for being an ally in in the the support of sex workers is to be able to avoid the needs of women especially one of the things that I did was I was a child care provider even though I was a child myself I used to babysit that the children of many sex workers women who were immigrants who worked up at sex workers and so I got to see a lot of the needs that a lot of the new show of the women and definitely a lot of them are children and so you know as I was getting older I decided to to look into this route of being of service to to the community by advocating for the needs of your penis growing up I got to see how special immigrant women for sexual abuse that shows fault interpersonal violence and definitely sexual explotation and when I started working at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center I thought this is perfect I get to work for an organization that is aligned with my beliefs and here I am 14 years into providing Services Organization advocating for the woman’s name well that is so powerful and thank you so much for sharing that and specially about your personal background ATS really moving to me I know that there that there is a lot of really strong feminist history and in feminist movement history around women sexual health and and support services and also and sort of sort of vaguely aware of different tensions that there have been within the feminist movement around 7 is sewer or not as supportive of sex workers or of women who were involved in the adult industry and some some who maybe are more supportive some curious if you have had to navigate any of those those politics within the women within the women’s movement about the sort of taboo subjective of the sex industry not necessarily you know I am very fortunate to be in this organization I’m very fortunate to have a strong network of providers that believe in advocating for everyone and when we say everyone it means every single person regardless of what they’re definitely here at the women’s center we do not see people for what they do we see them for who they are and so when we see when we see you know a sex worker we see them for who they are first and foremost a human being have to keep for them or what you would like and definitely no I haven’t encountered any of that it does not mean that it’s not the doesn’t accept them pretty sure there’s so many people that have encounter with you but I myself have not I’m really glad to hear that because I got that Vibe definitely that there was no judgment and no no sort of distance or or or judgment you about about that because it is so it is so much a part of life and people want to ignore it or people want to just hiding from it but it’s it’s a real serious issues I appreciate it very much that that you hold that space and and I want to thank you for doing that so if you could help us understand a bit about what the the most vital needs are of those those women who are doing work in the sex industry what are some of the things that people should know about as far as what they face on a daily basis and even ways that that people who are maybe just wanting to support them where are they they want to be allies how they can also be supportive but would definitely I cannot speak for everyone but I can’t I am able to speak for those who I have been fortunate and humble enough to provide services doing these are the Immigrant Latinos who work in the bars on the country has most of the time you asked about their needs what their needs are definitely there’s a lot of me to to provide them with resources resources and when I say resources what kinds of resources and support that they need to let them know about the right and to let them know that if they have been abused molested in any way that there is are places that can help them if they need just a space where they can just feel safe that there’s such a space about what we hope to who provides many of the women that we service the well-being overall well-being we are always concerned about their health their physical health or emotional health because we know that it can take a toll on their health specially those who work at night all we know that is if it can be difficult for them to to take care of that their help because the majority of them are also mothers and because they are mothers you know many times Latinas put the needs of their own meat how can I say it they put their needs before the needs of anyone else and they last one but they’re nice and so I want to advocate for them we also want to let them know that they have rights we hope to educate them about the right within the women that we service some of them are hiv-positive and so will support them we support them by providing resources for their help for them so that they can receive the services well thank you very much again for doing that work in something that I that I have been made very much aware of by my association with women who who would be considered those very strong feminist critique of the patriarchal economic structures and just the way capitalism works and how how this Empire is really built on on its own built on the backs of immigrant labor and and and from what you’re saying it’s also built on the bodies of the sex workers who who serve a lot of different types of male laborers and I’m wondering what if you care to share from your personal perspective what are some observations are inside sore or strong feelings you may have around what the what the role of men who may be there maybe they are sex buyers or maybe they are temps or maybe they are you know what and then you can any level of that economy do you ever have the opportunity to to Enlighten them or two to help them become more active in doing the support work for the for the women or what what is your feeling about the men who are just kind of you don’t hear a lot about the John’s or the Pimp C male a male and get you component we are thinking by myself a big advocate for making change in our communities mobilizing one of the one of the things that I do is when I am able to speak to groups of men and provide them with information writing with resources to do is to let them would like for them specially if they are consumers of the services of the women who are sex workers Michael is for them not to think of the women as object to know that there’s a story behind them that there that these women might have gone through many struggles am I making sense yes this is amazing I love to hear it to hear more about it cuz I feel like it’s so lacking it’s so lacking in that people actually try to educate them and whether it’s about using condoms or or being just mine. I’m being respectful this is Range Community and to use their voice to Advocate from them as well to use whatever privilege they have as meant to protect them to advocate for them that’s definitely one one of our pools and one of the things that we hope to accomplish is for for men to go beyond those gender roles that they are putting the moment they are born we want them to understand that they can break out of that box I agree with you yes wow so if that that thank you so much for sharing those insights that they’re really really touches my my heart and soul because I feel like I’m as myself as a sex worker myself I’ve been mistreated and abused and certainly I would have loved for the very wealthy the wealth of the wealthier of my clients to to be giving back and supporting nonprofit organizations that actually create a better life and more resources 400 why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t you give back to to like a trade Association it was helping you have a good experience in helping you get your needs met so hopefully yeah I’m excited to hear about what you’re doing over the other people will do that kind of Outreach as well so if we could talk a bit about the I feel like it’s it would be important to give some context for people listening to this what what the scope of sexual assault really looks like from your perspective you’re really seeing and I again am I feel very honored to speak with you knowing that you’re you’ve chosen to be putting yourself in a position to have so much exposure and really be very empathetic and very compassionate towards people who are in times of Crisis and some of the the most extreme trauma and current crisis so you could help to sensitize the listeners of this podcast to do some what it what is sort of typical cycle is when you have someone to say come in for services who is in trauma or crisis and in kind of what whatever is appropriate you know for you to share but that I think would be good for us to understand that means we started in 1976 and actually disorganization begin you know it was first bilingual confidential 24 hour 7 days a week crisis hotline to be able to service and provide support to survivors of sexual assault what we do is we have a hotline and call if they have just been assaulted molested or phrase taking cold even if it happened many years ago in another country we provide supporting the support looks something like this we we do Hospital accompany me to go to the hospital to provide support to the Survivor of rape and we’re able to see people all ages for survivors from a baby to someone well over the age of 90 we see that again we see them for who they are we see them as human beings Survivor and we are basically there to support them we allow them to have a safe safe space to come in and speak support when and if they’re ready mix someone is ready and they would like to come in and receive support we can provide them with counseling therapy and again we never tell them what to do we are there in their healing journey in the journey to heal I said we’re walking hand-in-hand with them so where’s that the healing path and soul Moana singing about in 2016 I remember in 2016 we provided services to over 10,000 women and children on the hotline movie about 2,200 called so we’re pretty busy if ever since that Open Door hotline has never closed and twice a year would provide training for people to become sexual assault advocate so that they can help survivors they can do hospital but also so that they get the keys for the needs of survivors important so after all of this exposure that you and your colleagues and peers with organization in and near the community of people that you’re connected with her your allies in Von forcement in the justice system and that the hospital system and the the sword I guess there’s also the social services and Family Services sectors of thumb of the county and in local local governments I’m curious if you could talk about some of the powder and some of the insides whatever you’ve been able to kind of a phone some conclusions you may have arrived at just about to the patterns of abuse and where you feel like the most effective interventions can occur on the preventative side of this issue how to do there’s definitely a lot to do but we definitely one of our one of them nothing’s that needs to happen to be able to to end sexual assault and domestic violence definitely HIV we need to end violence against women and homophobia swell we definitely know that if we end violence against women we end homophobia we are very well and then into the HIV epidemic we are definitely going to see Alright by very much agree with that and tell me what comes to mind from me for my personal experience in for my studies and I love to hear what you had what you would have to stay from your perspective Which is far more I would say far from a highly developed than mine because of the position that you that you’ve taken up and and I would say with what are your thoughts on the you mentioned machismo that’s something that I’m interested to hear more about what what that where that comes from and what you would how you would advise people to deconstruct that that sort of some aspect of violence in and then also alcohol and Andrew role that you feel that plays or substance abuse and how that feeds into the violence well it’s definitely a collaborative effort of everyone social service providers to law enforcement to every single every single person has a responsibility to an hour in one of the things we have are you aware of basically the women from targeted community wengage and Outreach and education and what they do is they increase awareness of sexual assault and resources and domestic violence victims and their families but they also bring awareness and so one of the things that that we have here in our organization in mind you all women that can be women that are actively working a sex workers women for HIV positive Housewives just about anyone and they go through this training where they learn about their culture how their cultural experiences shape their identity with a lot of focus on the Latino cultures and Value Inn in the experiences that they might have had growing up and still one of the things that we encourage them don’t is to look at what what are the values of culture that contribute in a positive way to to have better communities to to make them feel safe right it in to make a change in the world and to keep those we encourage them to look at the one that can be toxic that can be done that perpetuate and we encourage them to to look at both and decide which ones they want to keep which ones they want to transmit to other generation so we start with that beautiful well thank you for doing that as well in I’m curious if we could go to the next question which is the just to the prevalence of alcohol and domestic violence I think is pretty well well known that a lot of sexual assault and violence happened in in circumstances that are sort of fueled by drunkenness and I’m curious if you have thoughts on to substance abuse and alcoholism and how that how that affects the work that you do and the the the women that you support but we do know that it art again you know what we need people were there as we don’t we do not follow up a model of trauma-informed that means we are not going to shame people if they have issues with substance abuse know we can help them try to get to the root of why they’re they’re using or why they’re drinking rice I can tell you definitely my perspective from what I saw growing now I can tell you that issues with alcoholism are very prevalent with the with the women who work in the bar and the emptiness sex workers because that is part of their work in order to make a living they have to drink with the client and so many women that start working in the barn and the emptiness when they start working in the bar on the time peanut they have never you know in their life they have never had a drink but once they start working out of their job it’s how they make that living and some many of them develop alcoholism that’s one of the things that I saw and so you know if you if you asked to do it that many have a history of abuse or trauma that it don’t even know that they have this history of abuser, they don’t even know what to name those feeling you know very bad idea that depression you have a very difficult situation for for the person you know when one of these again that I hate that I was able to see I was able to see because of the lack of support and empowerment and resources available to this woman I saw in a bunch of this day I still seen any of them Works who no longer work in the calendar because there was no support there was no one to assist them teach them how to how to make a budget how to save the money or even how to invest some of them and not only that but a lot of them ended up with issues of alcohol yeah I hear you and that actually comes at least to my next question really which is about what you see as some of the the positive outcomes and the I would say to be clear I don’t believe that it’s wrong to be a sex worker ever see for myself I die in the part of the six work industry so there are some people would say well you just need to go to church and you need to quit the lifestyle and and and you need to leave it all behind you which I’m not I’m not here to say is this is right or wrong but but I will I will say that I’m very interested in what what 6 I think about the concept of a success story or someone who has overcome substance abuse or alcoholism in if they choose to remain active in the sex industry but I from a healthier place or if they choose to move beyond that I’m curious what you what are some of the pathways that you have facilitated or witnessed of of women who have become really empowered either is former sex workers or or or sort of sex workers in recovery what are some of the success stories that you would say that you’ve been a part of each other’s privacy and confidentiality if I can tell you that there’s this particular woman who is what after she became involved and after she was able to gather with other women saw other women like herself all about the right person for most of the human bean learn that there is nothing to be ashamed of learn to speak remind learn to Advocate Parker cell I was able to see an amazing transformation this is a person who now is able to speak up for herself this is someone who is able to negotiate pay for sex which I think it’s amazing to see this is someone who if she feels that someone is making her feel ashamed because of what she does she’s able to speak up she doesn’t know her head as she used to be for not just that but her priority priority priority herself above anything else in that include making better decisions when it comes to drinking that our decisions for her mean eating what you drink tea not not drinking as much as she used to before that you will forget to take her medication doesn’t make sense that is In N safety she she has been able to say she now has a savings account which is tremendous you know because now she’s planning or for the years I had to fight absolutely well I’ll take you out to other women beautiful well that’s that’s very good to hear and thank you again for doing that and just maybe a couple few more questions one will be going back to the the other half of the equation which is the the male role in and all of this into client role so I sounds like you’re yeah you have a lot of experience working with women who were in that that culture of the bar and cantina world and so like you said that there will be drinking is just part of the job and I’m curious if you if you could reach into the heart and soul of the the male clients and understand where they’re coming from and if they would maybe intergenerational trauma or or personal issues that they may be dealing with in and if we were to make if we were to all be working together to create more empowered and more conscious and then we’re healthy men and male clients and then maybe they would maybe this sounds ridiculous I guess but but I would love to see a world where where sex work is is legal and where people clients and and and service providers could meet up at a healthy juice bar or something or like a farmers market or something you know where it’s it’s not always in the context of of alcohol and that kind of sort of sector and so I’m just curious if when you think about this and when you work in this in this world if you do you have any advice for four men who are just maybe this sort of their kind of being set up or something I don’t know why I don’t know what you how you feel about just the whole the nature of that in of that that world of the the bar scene in the all that wouldn’t be able to provide education you know when I go out and we have those messages that week we share with with menopause sensitive to have healthy relationships with all the people in their life okay and do would you say while we’re on the topic of the Mennonite and I appreciate it and it sounds like what needs to happen is that more more men need to step up and organize and do Outreach it’s you already sounds like you’re already very your hands are full working with women and it sounds like that would be good for more men to anybody listening who has that the resources or the means to to do more Outreach Two Men and hopefully that will that will happen and I would say I just want another question just while we’re on the topic is if you if you feel like there is do you feel like a lot of the men who are of War buying the sexual services at women are they are they not really functional in their in their their own marriages that are on family life and are they I guess I don’t know like I said the other is there anything you can say about about the profile or the sort of in the attitude or the State of Mind of the mail client server or are they just a lot of single man to hoodoo don’t have a wife and that therefore they had they feel like they have to get through the day but with a beer you know with getting some drinks and inviting some sex and again there is so much so much change that needs to happen in one of them against the things that I be all that needs to happen from what I saw you know growing up in a very traditional community at 8 I was born in Mexico and I grew up in the town I was very religious it was okay for men to go to a bar in to go to La Cantina to look to spend some time with women right because many of them felt have to ask for certain things from their wives or their girlfriends was disrespectful and so they grew up thinking that the women that worked in the bar in the Campina where it was okay to have certain things of them right certain sexual things or even just to drink with them right again that idea that the women that worked in the casino or less than the women that are at home but that should not be the case that we can community that there’s this idea that yeah I’m going to go to the bar I’m going to go to the one with her right or she will be willing to deliver for a Spur to do and I cannot ask my wife to do that because she’s a good wife or she’s a good woman or she’s going to get offended if I ask her to do certain things when it might be very well that her wife at home or at home is wishing he will do those things with her because of how she grew up in this box that she was playing through gender role that don’t ask for something sexual well your violence violence that that if you are a good wife you would not dare ask for any of that and so that’s one of the things that I’m very passionate about teaching women again we let you know when it’s okay to to look for pleasure it’s okay to have conversations with your partner about certain things it’s okay to explore as long as you are both okay in the end it’s okay to look for a relationship with someone who is not going to feel threatened if you ask for certain things for your own pleasure well that is really powerful and I appreciate you saying that that really means a lot that really helps me understand a lot better and I hope I hope we can move towards that and and I appreciate the work you’re doing to create that space to explore and understand and and change the is paradigm so you’re so another question I have for you which is kind of this kind of extraordinary but I like to I like to do you know what some people call a thought experiment where you just think about what obviously you have you have some budgetary constraints and you have people power constraints but if you and your team or your colleagues the people you work within your organization if you somehow we’re blessed with the resources and the even just to say you won the lottery or something absurd like that but it was just say you had you had really almost Limitless potential or and Empower even politically to say okay this is all of this is all of the wisdom that we have and these are the proposals that we have and and if you just had what what you need to talk about investment and whatnot so if there was a if there was a venture capital firm that says we really think what you’re doing is important and we feel like that there is a benefit to society to have you you all have more resources and really if you if you had almost Limitless budget what are some of the things that you would do to to accelerate and grow and expand you know your services in certainly how I mean I would love to see since having been to the place you know your location I would love to see myself I would love to see you have more more acreage you no more land and something like the weirdest El Centro Farm was there some place where you can have Community Gardens in actual herbal Gardens in and healing natural areas and places for meeting that we’re outside and there were also safe and also had security so that’s just kind of what comes to my mind but I’m curious what you would do or what you would sort of dream up if you had almost no limits to what you can imagine wow there’s so much that we will definitely do love I can tell you that with a bigger budget we will definitely be able to since we will not have waiting list for four clients to to enrolled into into a program but definitely one thing will be to to increase to provide more support for the women that are hiv-positive because of budget I’m talking about financial support very limited women are always left behind and yet they’re the ones that love to see more help women’s health programs that are more sex-positive that are inclusive of sexual trauma Empower women to advocate for their sexual health definitely expand more men’s healing talking circles where they can wear the men pink and strengthen the relationship that we would love to see that but definitely if there was no monetary restrictions more more a healing circles or for women where they can talk about their health advocate for the health including their sexual health awesome thank you so much for sharing and I’m hoping that all of your dreams will come true you’re suddenly during such important and if I don’t work in the community and so yeah I wish you absolutely the best moving forward and hopefully yeah we’ll see each other again and then more more collaboration will happen that will be mutually supportive within our communities do you have any closing words you’d like to share and then also do you want to share the website URLs and any other links or any other ways to connect that would be great bilingual 24-hour hotline anyone can reach this hotline 24/7 the number is 800 5856 231 once again is 800-585-6231 and our website is www.ladwp.com org once again is so absolutely yes sir I appreciate it’s been an honor and do you have any last closing words you like to say is just a call to action or or things that you feel like if if people knew in NC could hear this voice than they would they would they would want to step up and and I guess it was before we say that you are a 501 c 3 charitable non-profit so donations are tax-deductible am I correct that we are especially in need of support because we have the only shelter in the mission where people can can go if they have just been sexually assaulted or if they have just landed on the hospital and they’re afraid to go back home or back to where the perpetrator or abuser is and we definitely need a lot of support for that our women’s HIV program a lot of sports comidas up with some sort of supporting in the dollar if you can share our website with others or even our Facebook page elawc please go ahead and do so we will be very grateful thank you so much Alejandro I think that was a really good introduction to all of the the work you’re doing and I hope that’s a lots of good things come from this and hopefully we will have meet again and and maybe we can follow up again and have you back on sometime in the future talk about some new developments and hopefully there’s there will be a lot more a lot more great things happening in the future so thank you again for your time and we’ll be in touch okay bye bye thank you for listening to the touch of Honey Pot www.entrepreneur.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temple in every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Damas de

Sex Worker Outreach In the Love Free or Die State with Ashley Fires TPP172

Play

Ashley Fires Pic

In this episode I have the exquisite joy of sharing hope and invigoration to fight for sex worker rights with the highly accomplished veteran adult entertainment star Ashley Fires.

She shares her personal story of empowerment and success in the adult industry. We learn about her romance with New Hampshire and how she’s made a beautiful personal and professional life there in the liberity oriented political climate. We discuss the state of affairs in legislation affecting the adult industry and about how New Hampshire is in a great position to fully decriminalize sex work among consenting adults. She talks about her vitally important work as the current leader of the Sex Workers Outreach Project New Hampshire Chapter

We share our mutual visions for a more sexually expressive future and talk shop about what it will take to get some creative and fun initiatives going.

She does an amazing job establishing that it’s not just an industry, it’s a movement. We agree the war on sex is as real as the war on drugs and just as cannabis has been the gateway to more drug peace, and the policy reform on the horizon in New Hampshire may help to bring peace in the war on sex.

Please visit her at:
https://twitter.com/ashleyfires
https://www.instagram.com/therealashleyfires
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/5177/ashley-fires-fetish-clips

About Ashley:

Ashley is the Official Spokesmodel for the biggest Fetish site on the net “Clips4sale.com.” You may recognize her from her many late night appearances on CINEMAX, HBO, SHOWTIME, and PLAYBOY TV in her famed B Horror and Sexy Soft Core roles! Ashley has also starred in over 300 adult feature films, been featured on hundreds of Box Covers and can be seen on thousands of websites. She worked with such companies as ADAM AND EVE, DIGITAL PLAYGROUND, BRAZZERS, KINK.COM, NAUGHTY AMERICA, ELEGANT ANGEL, WICKED, HUSTLER, EVIL ANGEL, and PENTHOUSE.

As a Glamour model she has graced the cover and centerfold pages of TABOO, HUSTLER, NUGGET, LEG SHOW, XBIZ, GLAMOR GIRL, VON GUTTENBURG, BUTTMAN, BIZZARE, and AVN.

She has been a recurring guest on many national radio shows such as “BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE“, “THE JASON ELLIS SHOW“, AND “THE HOWARD STERN SHOW!”

She has also done a number of interviews for such publications as the “LA TIMES”, “LA WEEKLY”, “BIZZARE”, “HUFFINGTON POST”, and “THE DAILY BEAST”

Ashley was nominated for multiple AVN Awards including “Best Web Star” and “Best Actress.” Also been nominated by The XBIZ Awards for “Best Web Starlet” and “Best Performer” She is the WINNER of “SEXIEST ADULT STAR” for the 2013 THE SEX AWARDS. She also won the title of “Miss Summer XBIZ 2009!”

Currently Ashley runs her own production studio and produces award winning adult content.

She is also the Chapter Leader for SWOP (Sex Workers Outreach Program) New Hampshire.

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to touch your Punk podcast episode number 172 I’m being joined by Ashley fires and she is at 15-year adult actress veteran and now an independent adult content producer and is also the sex workers Outreach project leader in the state of New Hampshire where some very interesting and exciting things are happening with regards to really Shifting the Paradigm around decriminalizing sex work and it’s a long time coming no pun intended and we really need to I’m sure tonight they just they just write themselves but but yeah I just a little bit of background from you leading up to this conversation and is that at one of my dear friends in the Tantra healing movement was very instrumental in pivotal activist in the swap organization and we have we been on the show before but she she kind of brought me into that Community a little bit and I I felt like I I wish I had connected with with it much more in some of the other chapters in my life where I was more or heavily sex working I guess you could say but as I’ve been coming out of the closet more in reaching out a networking it’s really it’s really heartwarming to see the level of Frontline advocacy work and activist work and Legend other work that that’s why I was doing it so any any chance I get to to learn about what they’re doing in to defeat Tria time I’m proud to and I’m extra proud to have this this moment to share with Ashley because of all of the connections going on in in New Hampshire and the libertarian movement and the free state project and the cryptocurrency that’s going on there so it seems like all of these Liberatore forces are about to really probably for the first time you know an American history actually not just legalized like marijuana but to decriminalize it and make it something free for consenting adults to do in private and to exchange probably whatever means if digital or or actual currency that they choose so with that said that you would be exactly should be just. It’s not just the old system in the world vital part of human life and yet it’s stigmatized shamed and you know used to control the opposite ends of the spectrum right and the the thought that I’m going to hand you have like Roe v Wade at this time here now might might be challenged right and then and then on the other hand you have New Hampshire Live Free or Die. Mike criminalizing prostitution and I was drawn to it a while back after chest of those. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it could be back up and just get more of your background you have such an amazing bio here I would love to get people salivating just hearing about some of your your work over the years leading up to this and then we can we can zoom into the into this yet what are Yas Harley so I been a sex worker my entire adult life 2018 I started dancing in Las Vegas as I grew up in California drive up to Vegas during the weekend go make a bunch of money and I drive back and go to school 2002 I started doing fetish work when that was private sector inside Dungeons and also French for sure it yours and sprinkle them with some fetish on camera off camera little this little that 2011 12 years now directing producing tellin you no hair makeup Cross services type stuff from Los Angeles like singing on sex workers that you know growing up in California you know what else we done at that point honey turned upside down best part of it but it was also a few years back the adult industry the adult entertainment industry has its own like me too movement and I was on the front lines that was so difficult that was you know it really brought into question a lot of wait culture if you know I started looking at how I other performer complicit or perpetuating such Behavior and do something about it or I can get out of the way but I couldn’t be inactive and so that’s why I became a voice this was in 2015 I started thinking about you know civil liberties for all people and rights as human beings especially in the workplace in the workplace and Kim on the question many times on social media towards me what if your work even work like a consensus was unless you know even if they are allies some not as such an emotional labor and get you you you know you could you do such a vital natural part of everyday father me so I decided to get is there a swamp here I tried to find a New Hampshire thought there was no such thing as I will have is there a demand for it there’s plenty of energy up there and it’s it’s about having a a camaraderie and you know this coming up next year that are actually like fundraisers get people involved why would you want to help us people well first of all through human and goodbye terminated against personally and I could go on and on that but you know it’s it’s about community and it’s about dismantling people wear the same rights and civil liberties as any other human being out there you know and add to it the SEPTA fossa God of centrally Deus Ex Berg on the table here and there’s definitely stuff that I wanted to say something since I have you into this is really exciting to me the Insight that you have as far as New Hampshire goes because the first time in the adult industry that I discovered of the fact that there’s only two jurisdictions really in the United States were pouring is actually protected as free speech I am not not to be prosecuted is pandering for prostitution camping so New Hampshire getting that status along with California I don’t really I probably glance the Wikipedia on that before I don’t know if there was like a case precedent there was like a pivotal case that happened but do you know anything about a cool can we do we get into just like you were romance with New Hampshire and you’re rolling in the industry there and then just why how does it it’s not eating meat you would think Vegas would be the only other place but actually it’s not but then you have New Hampshire and it’s kind of a left-field thing unless you think about the libertarian movement I don’t know that anything to do with it so whatever you have to share about that I would be so grateful to hear your insights I don’t really know much about the president case that that made you know it legal to shoot pornography in New Hampshire do you know that it was a guy who hired a couple to have sex in front of a mini video tape it and they they called that in a pandering or whatever they called it but are they are they were having sex at something it turned out to be hold on me so they fought it and they won and it was not considered prostitution it was considered making a movie right now an adult film because you wasn’t an attempt to distribute it it was like a personal thing or something anyways I don’t know I honestly don’t know much about it but I know it’s like you know set the precedent and you would think that because it is legal here more people would come in and shoot babe there’s basically maybe four or five. Yeah it’s a 1.3 million but still you think more people would come and exercise that right you know he’s come in and just check things out look around it’s all good they walk around and look it’s perfectly okay and you know there’s no reason why I mean if people want to have sex and get paid for it and try to make money and today you know you open up a PornHub Channel or like a clips4sale or whatever and make your own life just doing what you’re going to do at home that’s that’s a that’s why I fell in love with New Hampshire a while back yeah so what was your story of how did you encounter a New Hampshire and was it was it for what some people call it in the crypto space in a regulatory Arbitrage if you could go there and get a better you know 6 and set up with the state as far as the regulations go but what was it that Drew you there originally tonight at the married almost 13 years and they are actually in Vermont and we found out what we can check it out, got a place sight unseen and moved out like literally like a month and I love it here I mean I know this in the winter but you know seven years and I I’d like to hear it say I wish there were more people willing to come here and freely Express themselves sexually you know I was trying to give opening act like a kinky B&B because they’re going to be right here Tantric live in Sikeston you know it could be like a bit of a learning experience with you no panels and and demonstrations and stuff I mean I did a touch of that a while back and there’s amazing but I remember growing up being unreal sax a whole segment on tantric sex and you know it here ever since AT&T bought HBO they’re getting rid of all actual content of a stand of our way we’re waiting for the masses then tomorrow we will hook up take care of everybody you like I want to be I want to have us in that as that happens it’s ready to sign up The Exodus of this is this is I’m painting this picture I’ve been on the East Coast I’ve been to New Hampshire I don’t think I have stopped there for anything I may have stopped there for for some some classic Serta legendary Cuisine is probably what words would have me go through there but I’ve been on the East Coast number of times and I love the vibe I love the fact that the seasons cuz in La there’s not really season so you see autumn and winter and you get to enjoy spring and all that so I’m just in this moment of painting is picture of you having the BMV in and actually I had this idea a while back to say exactly in line with what you’re saying what should be how I feel like it’s so important that that we have places to go and freely and be as loud as we want and not feel like they’re watching us or you know unless we wanted to or whatever but actually we need like an Airbnb opportunity for couples and whoever even singles who want to go and be sexual in nature and in any Hampshire there’s so much beautiful while nature you can have some property with like a you know Victorian home on there or something even more you know the Eco kind of radical alternative but that’s going to be the place that I want to see this happen for sure you no place like you sending your and it’s growing in there is some some major thought leaders in that so I haven’t seen how the ecosexuality movement sort of thought leaders are really interfacing with with the activist movement of swapped but it sounds like we’re kind of making a little bit of magic here just talking about the stuff I’m sure that some interesting things will happen and probably they’ll have to maybe where you all do as a host to conference and invite me up speakers and authors and workshops just like you said you don’t even even if you rent to a facility and you kind of do a test of the model and and you know I’m sure it would it would be a very successful and maybe fundraise for the actual the legal work that needs to be done to get these decrypt the determination happen that’s probably segue to ask you what would you like to share about the the role that you and and swap are playing with the people who actually able to lobby and able to write legislation and in affect the political landscape as far as the decriminalization movement there so I would love to share who I’ve been talking with but I’m I’m not sure I have their permission I have been talking with them people represent in Congress and one Senator but I like I said I’m not going to tell anybody I don’t know I don’t know you no discussion but there is someone who helped offer a very confident that decriminalization effects work in New Hampshire is highly possible in the near future we want docs any politicians Erie but I’m sure everything will be press release you know will be forthcoming and in a lot of press will be on that so I’m just curious because I want to let you know I want to build a summer home there at the very least you know and maybe change my my residency to there and just go warm places I done for me I’m a I’m a real chicken when it comes to to freezing cold weather but but I would go in the Northeast is just get out of the Northeast during the affective disorder the point of a fireplace kind of cozy people who live here are gorgeous to come visit you should come to that I think I’m going to to to relocate my residency there as soon as humanly and financially possible for so so so many reasons and and one of them I will put out there and maybe isn’t necessarily your cup of tea or what you want to associate with personally but for anybody listen who hasn’t really Ducks doe dug into the opportunity that is the Free State movement or free state project and just the whole the whole certain regulatory Arbitrage thing is happening there so many things for different Lifestyles but one of them is that they have something called constitutional carry where you can carry a concealed weapon for your self-defense obviously just by the simple fact of you being a citizen of the United States with a constitutional right to bear arms and that is not being obstructed by any of the you know any of the forces that be that would that would have whatever reason you know whatever and motivation right baby recommend you go and register or get a permit with the local police but but you don’t even need a permit now that passed I think 2 years ago I’m about 2 years ago I was I was I mean I’m a total Progressive socialist but yeah that’s what I believe well you know what this reminds me of one one of the most powerful sex worker goddesses that I’ve ever met she is such a a heroin to me and one of the things that she said which is so apropos this conversation is that she would like to say this the sort of bit of wisdom she had and she basically said you know you can it’s legal for you to go down to a gun shop and buy a gun but you can’t buy my pussy that’s how powerful my pussy is you can buy separately but if you go to the Hampshire pretty soon you’re going to be able to buy both with your favorite cryptocurrency I know that’s funny letter fireworks from liquor stores that are you staying out of that is so great I am so there I’ve had I’ve had enough with everything I just said and I even thought of how it would be nice I like what you said this is important to to know what you said about you we do need those winter months to actually heal and until it’s I feel like the people are running on such hyperdrive in LA because there aren’t it feels like there’s really no season so there’s no introspection there’s no self-reflection there’s no getting close with the family or with the Beloved at it with the land you know being a part of those Cycles so I really do feel like I probably I probably fall in love so much that I won’t care to leave so even if it’s freezing cold because I’ll be around the campfire you know I’ll be around if you know this the the wood stove or whatever maybe so I know it’s gorgeous and it’s so cute really you’re the season Majestic earlier today and not because of smog smog 6% Caucasian but that was a bit of a culture shock for sure Caucasian it turned out which is which also further to the stigma of the same kind of like if there is such a thing as middle class in Hollywood now I feel driving I guess it depends on who’s driving I got there in four and a half but you can get all of the action all of the food everything I could to make sense to to be posted up legally in New Hampshire for so many reasons and then I can imagine it I kind of imagined that it would be the Vegas or or like you’re saying but I’m surprised that there isn’t a more of a booming adult Production Studio house industry given that you could it’s it’s bad. It sounds like it’s about as far as away is Vegas and everyone fled to Vegas when the the kind of life started taking enforceable effects in the LA County area so that’s a question I have for you is it you know if you’ve been following the the regulation around and this sort of the big money the big money clinical groups who are trying to shut down the street on the health but with the health department as a sort of there their battering ram into the industry I’m curious in New Hampshire are they is it is there any specifications from the health department or health code that that are trying to set the rules for the industry for the porn industry there it is it is the Wild Wild West out here we are more people more to join you know start producing they would have to try to regulate but I don’t know if they would because I really don’t think they would I adhere to the same you know guidelines as as far as testing goes the only difference is I need to get tested we we provide them with testing we make sure everyone we we go through this last we have this very detailed checklist I think it was inspired by Nikki Benz and if possible the only difference is we’re not paying Los Angeles or Las Vegas free small company but you know we talked about splitting, according Talent from Vegas and Los Angeles and you know kind of responsibility regulating type of business you just have to have trust that all people are you know I’m doing the right thing around that is because yeah I think that I think like Outlets sexually here you know I said you know if you will actually liberated place like you know I even thought about you some Leaf peeping directed in the professional studio shoot up or down with your spouse just that sounds like a great guy honestly before you even were saying this stuff I could I was just it was a premonition that you would be talking about this because I I just felt like you were going to probably end up working in some capacity with the Chamber of Commerce of wherever whatever region or whatever sort of municipality or me to Sally’s and actually help that like what you’re you can’t you know you can’t afford your Public Works projects you know your new parks are being closed down for whatever reason well here we got the screws it’s going to be amazing yeah I can see it now and start building and I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now I can of gas its people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I I I want to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I talk to Subway to get a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good it’s the best I feel like you have a lot of love but I like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this is would be a place for people that veteran died literally I mean you know they call it in the adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of you in if you’re not in front of the camera and doing the stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in a note and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping living out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as veterans violence and brutality in Warfare civilians is military yeah that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval of being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performers have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

The Future of Crypto-Economics in the Adult Industry with Ameen Soleimani TPP171

Play

Ameen Soleimani Pic

In this episode episode I’m joined by one of my most favorite innovators in the crypto space, Ameen Soleimani of SpankChain. This Ethereum powered adult entertainment platform is helping to provide a more safe and secure environment for producers and consumers of adult content to build online community and transact value using state of the art technology. Much of the discrimination suffered by those involved in the adult industry will be relieved as this platform grows and begins to retrofit if not replace the legacy payment and content delivery rails.

(Please note, this episode was recorded several weeks before it’s release so some of the future updates that are discussed are now current).

We discuss:

  • Ameen’s background in crypto
  • His time working at Consensys
  • How Consensys is a radical experiment in decentralized organizational management
  • How he transitioned into this own projects
  • The origin story of SpankChain
  • His vision to create an on-demand micropayment enabled educational video platform
  • Revelations he’s had about the adult industry use case of crypto
  • His philosophies on a more liberated future for human sexuality
  • The SpankChain roadmap
  • How the Spank and Booty tokens will work to provide a stable token economy with incentives within and beyond the SpankChain platform ecosystem
  • How this unique technology will integrate with and provide services to other adult sites and platforms, resulting in more crypto adoption within the existing industry
  • How SpankChain has been received by the orthodox Ethereum development community
  • and much more!

Please visit SpankChain here:
https://spankchain.com/

Follow Ameen at:
https://twitter.com/ameensol

About Ameen:
Ameen is a decentralization lazer gun and likes to wield the blockchain like a weapon to destroy the legacy trusted institutions. Throughout his crypto career Ameen has played a role in over $30M+ in token sales – including the fastest ICO in history. In his free time, he likes playing Super Smash Brothers (64), Settlers of Catan, and PUBG.

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township on podcast episode number 171 I am super delighted for this episode because I have is a guest I mean saw the money and he’s going to tell us all about the spankchain it’s not just webcamming it’s also it’s going to be and it said developing multiple solutions to be an opportunity to replace a lot of the payment rails and content delivery rails of the adult entertainment industry which is a hundred billion dollar a year industry and it’s filled with choke points and discrimination and all kinds of other nasties that were connect solver and it really live out satoshi’s Vision in a lot of interesting ways so with that said we got a bit of an outline to go through but just the start and ask you a meatloaf first thank you again for joining me and asked you to tell us really about your your personal life story or development how you got into Tech and everything before the devising spankchain yes so thanks for having me on your podcast excited to be here my let’s see if we can start about sort of like my entry into cryptocurrency which is a fun place to start which was in college of the first time I really heard of Bitcoin was when we were using it to buy drugs on mushrooms on the Silk Road College friends graduated college started learning software engineering worked on some Arbitrage bot Smith’s money off Arbitrage lost all my money. Cox I was also pretty fun and then really started in 2016 getting serious about ethereum smart contract development I joined consensus in the summer of 2016 while I was there I worked on pure energy project at the time it was called Coke TriCity but sort of event evolved into Grad Plus and then also did a lot of State channels research and then left on Chad chain handle and then left to start sanction awesome so there is a lot of good stuff in there that the delay person we can zoom into a bit to get a little more context I’m familiar cuz I listen to numerous episode podcast episodes interviews that you’ve done before and I’ll say that know my get my skin in the game full disclosure is said I’m a bag holder of spank and a proud bag holder that I’m also a spank live performer and so I am really a raving fan of this technology for a lot of reasons and so I’ve been following your work pretty pretty religiously and I will consider myself the the opposite of a troll it’s kind of like a benevolent roll if you will I’m trying not to be a CEO either but being a benevolent Troll and just kind of trying to bring love to to the project however our possible at through the stages of development and so I was really interested in that to interview you did with Arthur falls on the third web you got into some very interesting material and what I find fascinating in the crypto space that a lot of people seem to I don’t think he gets enough credit and zoom into it is just if you could explain to us what consensus is and how it represents our total radical paradigm shift in governance and in the hierarchy of more of a flattened hierarchy for corporate level a business development and technology and research and all that stuff that is if you could just give us a total download of What consensus is that would be fabulous fantastic yesu consensus is a venture Production Studio started by Joseph Lubin who is one of the original co-founders of ethereum news on the operation said she’s a technologist by training he was a former VP of engineering at Goldman Sachs C understand how all this money stuff works she was previously Robotics and stuff to you but consensus is is really different than any other company really like have ever encountered but a little work that so it is not really run through a top-down command-and-control structure like a traditional hierarchy it is it is a radical experiment trying to run a company in a very decentralized fashion the overarching goal of consensus is to further the mission of aetherium Joe described it and its Inception as you know a theorem is like launching an Xbox with no games so I can sense us needs to build games except in this case. Just games applications that range anywhere you know from Supply Chain management to energy to while some games like virtue poker to music for music licensing and Ferb saddlestring direct relationships with musicians and basically comes from this understanding that like the things that command and control structures are good at are making decisions quickly especially in with high amounts of uncertainty but the thing that a sort of decentralized company can accomplish where are the members are more or less free to pursue their goals so long as you know that they’re still accountable on and aligned with the interests of the company in pursuing mission of of furthering aetherium it ends up that consensus can establish relationships with people in all sorts of different Industries and work on projects that you know any other company that does not have the breadth of the types of projects that consensus works on and that that comes from the I love the freedom that you have within the organization to try new things and I thought that was really powerful of a decision to make early on and so far it seems to be working that’s this is growing a lot and you’re constantly hearing about all the all of the things that it’s doing its I remember so I was like the hundredth employee of aetherium and in the early days of aetherium it was challenging to stay on top of all of the aetherium project but quickly as consent to started growing and it is grown about 10 times as much now I think they’re almost had about a thousand people is its own challenge to just stay on top of the things that consensus-building awesome thank you for sharing that that background and I’ll say that when I I was listening to do I was just about to ring every podcast I could find in the space for the most part and I I Came Upon a state change I believe is what it was called was a series that Arthur Falls did too kind of profile a lot of the different consensus projects and I was just blown away I mean for all of the different Progressive movements that I’ve been in the streets protesting for this the solutions that are being created with this technology just are the answer to so many prayers of so many so many down-to-earth people’s movements for Liberation and empowerment I just I was so excited and also it just felt like this futuristic kind of Starfleet Star Trek kind of very techno-utopian but very practical organization and and I’m just like totally thrilled and impressed I’m curious if you could talk about how the the sort of Human Resources protocols work are you guys receiving or were you receiving or do they receive payment in crypto or do they have Smart contracts that are there actual descriptions of jobs and is there a sort of token economy within how the organization rates it’s it is decentralized in global so you’re going to get from me is going to be outdated by about a year and a couple months so I can I can only really talk to my experience while I was there when consensus was 102 about but yes so people had job descriptions you were more or less free to create your own title but you you couldn’t just do anything but you know if you could justify to the company that you know what you were the what you were working on was in the interest of a company then they would allow you to continue doing it and so there the company organization was heavily inspired by the Slick idea phallocracy and the valve employee handbook so valve is another company where you know it’s famous for having desks with wheels and so the idea behind valve is that without their ideas that like the best games come from people who really want to work on it together and are inspired to join forces and do so and so did you know there’s like you can go you to move your desk to wherever whatever cluster in a like-minded people and whatever game you think is interesting and you know that they’re there is evidence to point to this working pretty well because for a while he’ll steam was a project that was led by one person involved and everyone else at the company thought he was kind of crazy but because they are down the side of x duration they allowed this person to continue working and then eventually it built up steam no pun intended and started getting other people to move their desks next to their desk and start working together and so consensus is sort of inspired by that answer that the HR question yes we while I was there we were being paid in Bitcoin as independent contractors which was pretty cool and then as I was transitioning out of the company was transitioning towards a more corporate payment structure on payroll system is probably a bit of a early days Nostalgia Wild West and then just facing inevitable regulation and oversight from whatever forces they probably had to tighten up a little bit was that did that have anything to do with your decision except I like to get into next ocean and I’m just say that I was thrilled when when Joe Lubin at the consensus gathering this year cited spankchain and he see what he said you were brilliant technologist in that you spun off to do your own thing and I sort of had to take your dark fantasies into a into another realm and that was a very interesting and exciting to get to hear about so if you could tell us about hey if there was anything what was it like for you to transition in and Branch out and do your own thing that’s you know how to sort of High Council which was called the resource allocation committee the rack and I gave a rack presentation in April of 2017 pitching consensus on starting a San francisco-based well basically another consensus that I would run and that would focus on scalable using State channels as well as helping launch tokens because I thought that was going to be all the rage and so they said no and they denied my request for 2 million dollars in for $500,000 and something and I dunno said thank you very much and then realize that you know I’m it’s it’s it’s it’s really hard to like justify or maybe like you know I think I’m capable of something but like when you go to somebody and you ask for 2 million dollars and they asked to see proof it’s hard to just like you know like explain to somebody why they should give you the money in advance of having seen a demonstration of ability that matches the ask and so you know I realize that it was going to be a little too hard to convince rack and also that the thing that I thought was the most compelling opportunity was spankchain and it was sort of outside of the realm of acceptable consensus project especially when consensus is working on it with like Sheiks and by who may not be as friendly to this type of thing so you know that that’s the point where I I said the you know I think I’m going to leave and start my own thing and you know I have pretty good relationships with everybody still at consensus and I was sad to leave and people are sad to see me go but at the same time I’m still sort of like an extended family like everybody at consensus they’re all they all recognize that sanction is still working for further the goals and in the mission of aetherium and so we all get along and it’s an honor when Joe recognizes our work on stage and I know that you know my team is really excited about getting that kind of recognition and validation because for a while stationed existed in the sort of taboo nobody knew what the thing that there’s a lot of people who were waiting to hear what other people thought in order to come around to having an opinion about it and now that is sort of flipped and people are starting to recognize that you know we’re doing really work in the technology and we’re also bringing a new community into crypto that like we’re specifically it makes sense and for this community in it and it actually benefits them in and helps helps their lives abscess absofuckinglutly and I’m excited we’re going to get into that the juicy aspects of this very soon little bit more on the 3rd of backstory and thank you for sharing that is well I was trying to explain it to some friends recently and I said specifically about you and the fact that you have this resume CV piece of coming from consensus and you know I made the analogy in like if you’re going to hire a bodyguard do you want somebody who used to work for the special forces or do you want the that the guy at the local bar the bouncer at the hookah bar you know and I said that is a hat tip and about down to you and the work you’ve done there and certainly for me and made it easy I need an easy decision to to Nowhere to Nowhere where to put some skin in the game knowing that you had that experience and that level and I’ve just you I respect the way that you transition and the and the mission that you have and I would really love to get into a bit what was the actual can you remember where you were and what you were doing the moment that you hadn’t you you had the aha moment to be a real first-mover in crypto for adult when what was that moment if you can if you can remember that maybe when the idea came to you and then when the name came to you give us the real deep the real deep juice there you got shirts so the so the first time I remember the first time somebody told me I should do this and it was a keel Fernandez who worked on safe Market at consensus and it was before I even join trying to get a job at consensus consensus 2016 hackathon met and so This Is Us 26 event put on by Queen. Video streaming real-time payment platform I know that might sound familiar but for Education Institute has any idea was like you notes raising your hand for the internet you get stock you need somebody to help you you know Google isn’t serving you but you need and you just need a human and so I need a design the system and I thought it’d be really cool because you could solve the micropayments problem allowing people to pay as you go intuitive decentralised way so that anybody could build you as an applications on top and I thought that was really powerful and I tried to convince people to work on it at the just wanted to because nobody really cares about education and that was sad so I worked on it by myself then afterwards after the conference I was at the bar census like the company meet up and that’s what you should do you should do this for cam models know I don’t know that seems like maybe 30 or something like that was the mindset that I had at the time and I had my lecture vision for herb for education but it’s sort of it it started to grow on me a couple people that I was talking to you about you know the payment channels Knology started mentioning that you know it could be a good use case in terms of the came out and started to think about it more and it wasn’t until I was back home visiting one of my friends fathers are just passed away and so a bunch of us were sitting together and we were talking about this and started to really you know get serious about you know what was asking the question of like where is this actually going to happen first into into Parts like where is the payment Channel technology going to find its home first and second one was like where is blockchain consumer adoption going to happen first like who who are the people that I actually need this and that’s when you know the answer a question like that and you can’t limit yourself to the things that you might want to hear or the things that you’re biased already towards hearing and see you want to make sure that you’re open to what the answer is and in all honesty and it was you no adult and is definitely the industry in we’re going on a blunt ride with a bunch of my friends and started thinking about names and that’s that’s how spankchain emerges I should will die as soon as one of those the person Play It’s fiction and then it sort of snowballed from there and we came up with a bunch of other fun jokes and include them in the sort of founding story of spankchain you know gave birth to the sphincter she knocked the booty meme and so forth once once the projects you know that the first thing I was thinking was like okay we have payment channel is we have campsite how do we combine the two but once I started doing a lot more research into the adult industry I started realizing like how much bigger the problem actually is it wasn’t just that like you know this is where it would don’t tries everything and then you have that sort self-fulfilling prophecy of you know this relationship ends the banks and financial institutions and so you you have as we’ve outlined in their paper and and talks about shutting down the performers in 2014 and businesses Visa Mastercard refusing to process transactions for adult performers in business has a lot of pot I’m sticking them off you know your your Facebook’s your Instagrams and so it became obvious that like decentralization actually matters here and thatford all performers in businesses the thing like if the room is actually the killer app because it gives them a place to securely store and transact without fear of having their funds seized or Frozen like PayPal froze a performer that we are in contact with her account with $70,000 inside last Christmas that we were able to help her and get it out and about two months since I had friends with PayPal and I was able to touch the right people but that doesn’t always happen and in the cases were doesn’t like the funds are frozen for 6 months without any sort of repercussions nor any ability for the performer to do anything about it and so like for us you know an inn for the washing community in general we just have to be like not complete douchebags and it’s already a much better service and so and it’s not even that like we have the option of being douchebags because like if your money’s on ethereum there’s literally nothing anyone can do to take it from you and so I think that that is super compelling in this space beyond just you know the payment channels in the cams and that’s what the focus of sanction is its to build the infrastructure to be able to accelerate the adoption of the core I3 and Technology by this community so that we can create a parallel Financial system that allows them to have stopped over their money thing that just came to my mind now is it thinking about the way you just described that that douche proofing of the ethereum blockchain and I really understand that myself and appreciate that as the sex worker adult performer been to various scenarios in the industry that are very compromising and unsavory and certainly a lot of price gouging and manipulation and exploitation so you know this was all music to my ears hearing about how you were structuring this and just made me think right now that it’s it’s like in a more enlightened world where the labor that’s provided and offered by Artisan sex workers who many of which have training as sort of healers as well energetic healers and counselors and some other thing you know I was mentioned in your podcast other Falls is about how it’s a form of therapy and it’s so beautiful to see what happens in a community of really liberated folks online who can just open up and really crowdsource mental health and Sexual Health that it’s a beautiful thing and I just feel like it’s a division that came out the way we think about how public resource is like a beach but you might have to pay a token to use the bathroom at the beach or something so it’s like imagine instead of pimps and brothels and sleazy corrupt Hotel operations you had sex public sex facilities that were you know you had her access to a room but then you just you pay a v r us a very very small fee that is not it’s almost like a non-profit at that point it’s almost just like a as a service or used to be and not someone’s parasitic business model to be a pimp so you’re pretty much potentially eliminating a lot of the digital pimping that was Kenny Stiles way of centralized digital temps so I appreciate that it’s it it touches my heart and I’m already experiencing the abundance of it myself you know how my wallet it’s really am it’s a beautiful thing for me so yeah with that said I love to talk a bit about what a state channel is and if you can correct me with my understanding but it seems like sort of a way to do on aetherium what the Bitcoin lightning network is attempting to do where there’s sort of off chain balances that are being bounced around and then you really will be anchoring into the main public chain at a relative like a fraction of the number of transaction points or whatever you call it so that you’re not convincing the network in your not really held hostage by gas prices and stuff could you help us understand that a bit earlier also so I’m going to come back to the payment Channel stuff for peace but like one of the interesting ideas so this is working like I’m I’m a normie I haven’t been involved in this community for very long and in a lot of this is like a learning experience for me just wrapping my head around you know the Norms of these communities and it’s starting to make me think that there might be you know a parallel Revolution going on we’re on one hand like we have the cryptocurrency revolution where everyone gets a little woke and we come out and we’re like you know what this whole money thing it’s like whatever we say it is challenging the Serta fundamental assumptions that we’ve had growing up we say Okay money is issued by the government and that’s you know that’s it and if you pay taxes in the money in the government says it’s valuable and that’s why I’m seeing I’m not doing this but observing and starting to like what is it mean to be in a relationship like why is sex taboo like is you know what is the world look like if people treated sex or blow jobs or whatever like with the same sort of indifference as they do like a massage right what if you know we come back 10 years later and sex is just the you know what it’s like oh well do you know this reduces your stress reduces cortisol and prolongs your life isn’t that the case and it’s like that there’s a lot of hesitancy in resistance to this that’s that’s been brought in but a lot of that’s just because of some sort of like the traditional household of you note to parents with kids and nothing really changes on a year-to-year basis but every year that we have you know whether accelerating technology and growing information like that the next generation is going to learn way faster and from far more mistakes of the previous generations and it could be that we reach like radically new a clivia like I don’t think it’s that crazy if you know sex parties become like a normal thing that that people go to because it’s fun not just like one of those you have to be like a super courageous you know how it going type of person to go there it’s it it’s you know not seeing anything particularly weird that’s why I think the perfect textbook definition of is my one of my favorite new words it is this the word the swing eulerity have you heard that one before yassir facilitating at me all say that one of the most healing moments in all of my life was when I started to to be on the on the the Chaturbate platform and I started to really study at anthropological e and look in pure into all these different Windows into different countries and different cultures and languages and and it was just so abused for me to see all genders just really groups of friends just friends that would otherwise just be hanging out and playing video games but now they’re financially incentivized and and some would say there’s a creepiness factor to some of this but what I was witnessing was like wow if you just shut off the sound and put new start jotting down look how many how wide and how frequently smile Hazard on these people and their groups of friends hanging out playing with each other in ways that they may not have had the courage to explore but then you have people who are willing to give them tips and tokens to do it and then I’m seeing the most elaborate configurations that yoginis and country has the people who are my sort of calling so you know in the space of wanting to configure really elaborate architecture of group sexuality and social sexuality and and it’s happening in the most Unthinkable of places the most unlikely places in this in Venezuela and Columbia and Michael is Aldi’s little mini webcamming kind of Studios that are set up and he’s depressed economies where were the value of their money is just collapsing in crypto it which could be the end of this could be the future spankchain a big part of it is like the economies of friends of people they call them teams you know they like building teams and they’re figuring out ways to do all these things that would just blow your mind as far as how they’re covering each other’s erogenous tissues with with you know as many different miles in hands and genitals is required to create this mandala of pleasure and happiness and I just I just got it you know say that this is there so much more at stake here and the attitude you have towards sex positivity and just the ability to to Foster Liberation and inclusion this is so big and so I just want to just put that out there as it is a PSA and a real honoring to what you’re doing and say you know if you have any anything to rip off of that by all means and if not after that to Tiffany go go back into the state channels personally I’m an aspiring rationalists so I read a lot of Caskey less wrong stuff like that and you want to take the whole point is is to try and make sure that your calibrated with the external reality so that like the things you think are accurate a lot of the ways that humans tend to be wrong about things is that we’re trapped by our own the narratives that were comfortable with and our internal biases and so what are the Seas just like keeping an open mind right it’s like encountering a new group of people that do things differently and being like Oh that’s interesting not like oh that’s so strange and then in going from that to being like you know I wonder what my life would be like if I you know participated or like like why do I think this is strange right and asking yourself that question isn’t trying to actually reason about it from there and it’s been growing experience for me and you know I’m looking forward to to continue a beautiful part part of this is a cultural you no effort and where you know it’s not our fault in general were just trying to participate in the other part is in the same way that there’s like a technological movement we’re also trying to push that envelope and help out where we can and so when I join a consensus I was live the payment Channel expert there for a while and the big idea behind payment channels is that you are exactly right it’s like the lightning Network on it. And so the simplest analogy is it’s like a bar tab so everybody knows that on cryptocurrency the transactions are slow and expensive and the reason is because every transaction needs to be seen and validated by every single node in the network and what payment channels do is that they allow you to lock up some money in advance and then make payments off chain so like a bar tab where you go to the bar and you know you don’t pay for a drink every single time you like without your card and then go to the terminal and they swipe your card and give you their Seaside imagine if you did that every single drink it would be really annoyed so what you do instead is they just keep a tab maybe keep track of all the drinks you ordered and they take your card you can think of that as escrow and then afterwards you say you pay for all of it all at once and it’s the exact same thing with right now you load up money in your wallet and then you send you you load up your strength card which is our metaphor for the payment Channel and so once you’ve loaded up your stank card you said signed commitments the payment off chain and so it’s infinitely scalable because it’s the same as you know it just a normal HTTP internet message so like a you-know-what Facebook like would be except that it has a digital signature on it which means that the network and validate that it came from you and then you make these payment commitments and you know maybe after you spent like a bunch of money than you want to settle and then you would withdraw from The Sting card back to your wallet and that would be closing up your payment Channel and then you know the cardinality works really well because people understand how cars work you know all of the microtransactions into 2 into 2 actual introduction so one to open the channel and then next one when you want to close it that was beautiful yet I when I saw that I really it it’s it took me aback when I first signed up logged on and gotten and saw the first image I had of a spank card I thought oh my God this is so genius this is such a perfect way to simplify and in take the friction out of the user experience with a theory and which if you’re using metamask are my crypto or myethereumwallet it’s going to be daunting to say the least and I appreciate the thought that goes into you know the list of steps being there but almost it requires almost Sometimes they come in line I will have coding experience to get a few things done so if you can bury that under the hood and what better solution than the conceptual framework that people are familiar with like you just said if having to load up onto a prepaid card with so that you have there are multiple steps there are multiple like almost like skase transitions of a cryptocurrency through transactions and if you can piggyback onto the framework that were already comfortable with that is priceless so I just want to Plaid you for that and that was that really helped that really helps people and I’m sure as things move forward we can get into this now sort of the the spankchain roadmap and then like what’s at dmytryk said on the first podcast where I was first introduced to spank which was when he said what can I do with my Spanx so that’s where we can get into the token economics and your what you had planned to achieve with creating a stable yeah value for that believe it’s going to be booty that’s sort of support supported by spank but you can get into all that I will right now station is a campsite and worked really hard on it there’s a lot of improvements that we’re working on Research need a lot of the features that other other campsites heard of just have like we’re still building like private shows no more options are on profiles were options on the user side to extend your profile stuff like that in addition we are working on a couple things the most immediate upgrade to the campsite will be that we are building a non-custodial payment hubs or actually upgrading our payment Channel infrastructure and the wallet so currently the payment Hub is custodial on behalf of the performers which means that the user’s open up a payment Channel spring training them pay in that channel but then the performers don’t have a channel open the section which means that spankchain is actually holding money on behalf of the performers in the next version of sanctioned by the end of the month we will have upgraded it so that performers are actually getting paid immediately in their spank hard as well and so that reduces a lot of liability for us has has important legal benefits from there we’re going to actually been be extended that to you allow for tokens to be transacted in the payment channel so right now our payment channels only have either but after I think about month-and-a-half you’ll be able to have transacted on the payment channels as well and so that’ll be helpful because then performers will be able to receive booty which is stable and I’ll come to that in a second so booty is so just make sure you go system has two tokens back and booty stank is our steak and took in the booty is is the stable token which means that it’s it’s price is supported in and their mechanisms to keep it stable so that’s that’s a part of this what our ambition is to develop this Bank pay platform which is in progress and from there it’s like okay we know we’ve tested all of this we have a lot of great feedback and and been able to use this wallet system in the wild and then we want to be able to integrated on a number of partner sites and so for their you know if you run a an adult website or platform you’re selling content or or whatever you would be able to integrate spank pay on your site and take her to payments in real time which I think would be pretty compelling and it’s it’s sort of also acted like a single sign-on experience so if you have his bank card as a user when you go to another site that’s integrated the user experience will be that you just like having your password and that’s it and then you can pay for anything on that site without having enter in your username password email address credit card so I think that’ll be pretty compelling we’re building an SDK to allow that to be integrated with besides nuts about 2 to 3 months away so from there are also building a website to manage showcase the technology in a different medium and by the end of this month or or very close to it I expect that we will have launched the stank bank and so the spankbank is what allows you to stake your stank and so staking means that you deposit it and lock it up for some. Of time before you can withdraw so the spank bank is a smart contract and you would send your spank to it and lock it in for any number of months between 1 and 12 and earned the booty that is generated at the State Bank so we have a whole sort of like algorithmic central bank system where we generate Hootie and the amount of Duty that is generated is correlated to the amount of fees that are paid on the platform so for example if we process $50,000 worth of transactions in the first month then we are taking 5% cut on the campsite those 5% fees will be paid in booty to the spankbang so we will collect the booty Sundance State Bank the booty will be counted in burned and reduced from Total Supply and so what what that means is the amount of booty that the bank Target’s is as I said 20 times the fees in the previous. And so if there is $50,000 in fees and we take a 5% cut that’s $2,500 and then if Target a total supply of 20 times that that’s again and so there would be $50,000 a month and then if you know it in at equilibrium if there is $2,500 worth of Duty hidden fees overtime then the keep in mind these are produced in total Supply then the total Supply would go from 50,000 to 4750 right and then it would still Target 50,000 and then another new 2500 would be generated and that 2500 that’s generated is distributed fortunately it’s you all the stank stickers I liked it to sort of you know explain this in analogy staking spank in the same bank is a way for you to participate in the value creation sort of like a co-op and soak for us you you want to stake your spank because you if you want to help grow the network and the booty that you earn act as a fee credits on the platform and so if you are a performer or business and you will be no regularly paying attention and cheese you can look in your stank and generate the booty that will cover your feet and that that can be and then the fortunate thing is that if the network and you know more people start to use it then you you might find yourself in a position where the amount of booty that your spanked is generating actually exceeds the amount of booty that you’re using to spend on and then you can sell it to other people who are also using the network and if he’s okay I’m having this my mind is is being blown in in several different directions all at once right now so the first thing I want to say is that a lot of this stuff is mathematically over my head and from a financial technology perspective over my head but what I’m what I’m struggling to make sense of and I’m sure it will become more clear as you guys do animations and more in a more assertive intro instructional stuff to help it be more accessible to lay folks what I’m actually hearing simply in my mind is that you were of course the word spankbank is so compelling and so well established as a mean that that you would have to choose it above a less glorious turn but what I’m hearing is that the sexy more like a a crypto Credit Union in a way where it’s there’s way more things going on it sounds like than a typical Credit Union would be doing to to to have stakeholders in people with no skin in the game but you’re not necessarily if you join a credit union you may get Kickbacks but you’re not buying a security in that sense there’s some some sort of it’s almost like what I’m hearing you say is that there may be a future value from buying the token that has it at a speculative speculative sort of edge to it but it’s still a utility token because you would only get those benefits if you participate in the ecosystem and those benefits are sort of a byproduct of the actual functional use of the system by multiple different types of players and niches with an ecosystem is that does that help or does that seem like I’m a Computing any of this stuff accurately be a lot more helpful guides and understanding like in a couple weeks when we launched this thing in advance of that will probably put up with a lot of the designs are already done and so you know what sort of intuitive around the interface when you can see you know how much people are staking and how much booty is being collected and fees and how is being distributed and stuff like that and I want it back up for a second and talk about like part of why we’re trying to do this and it’s like because what’s the weather what is the rationale behind lights trying to make in in another stable coin in why did we do it like this so did you don’t mind making a stablecoin is like you know I want one of these two transactions into participating in this economy is that the like the cryptocurrencies volatile right you might not want to hold either because if you healthy 1300 verse last like couple weeks you got racks and lost you know maybe something like 20 or 25% of the value and you know we all did and so but you know if you’re trying to send act like you don’t want to go to Chuck E Cheese’s buy a bunch of tokens and then like oh to the machine in the machines like hey you need more tokens cuz your tokens lost value between when you bought them in there like that so far this is coming with the understanding that don’t people actually might prefer these the stable medium of exchange and so it in that light it’s like well actually if you participate in booty and it works then like we’ve created the stable start a meeting with a completely outside of the existing Financial system so it’s like not you know it doesn’t depend on or or you need to integrate with banks at all at that point if you know the risk if if sanction is able to sustain itself and grow and reduce the perception of a lot of the risks associated with being an early-stage startup then I think that people might find that booty is like a fairly compelling story value because they know it but it can be redeemed then. I know people are or tend to be using it and so like I think I think that’s really powerful because right now like most people don’t have very secure most adult performers in business is at least some uncertainty with the bank accounts that they use in you sure about young performers like in front of Sparta Christmas tree and got a couple months ago that like Rebecca, shut down and stuff like that and in some sense like you know if you’re holding that might not be an issue so that’s part of why we’re doing it on the financial side on the math side like it’s actually not that complicated sounds complicated when I say it like this some of the stability preserving mechanisms are more complicated like we so close to spank Banks really being developed right now there’s like the version that we’re just going to launch in it about a month which you allow you to stick your spanked and we’re not really going to add any sort of stability and forcing mechanisms to that because the supply will be so small like I said we start out with $50,000 worth of Beauty in like you know well station has several million dollars like we can collateralize that over ten thousand percent right so there’s very little risk you on the worst case scenario we buy it all back okay if you mind can I pause you here just for a second so just took for it to it to ya to to represent the the lay person who bought spank on an exchange in Oregon the Ico and so the the pivotal moment for for holders of spank will be too if they want to participate in this economy rather than just dump it or whatever sell it or speculate rated they traded or swing trade it you’re going to actually have the utility function of of putting it into a smart contract the same way that will be like a token swap with an e r c to a in Maine that of a new like the way the EOS did it but instead of instead of going to a new chain you’re actually going to another ethereum smart contract is there right now it’s actually a Perfect Analogy it’s like you know is if suspected a lot of the times when I talk about snatching people are like Oaks pension like what kind of blockchain is that I’m like it’s not it’s just it’s just a cool name it’s all on aetherium right but like you know if it was some like it would be exactly analogous to like doing a token swap on to the new chain except in this case now you got to stake it and you know the rights of a stapler to the beauty that steam generator and then one more question so since you’re not proposing the sort of masternode opportunity there’s I’m assuming is not a limit or is there a minimum staking or could it be any amount and then you get participate in at no minimum you could have a very small amount of snow in practice like you know you’re probably not going to know that much because like you’re still going to have to transact on the three and bossy until I collect the booty for each account that used to steak and so it’ll be bounded by you know how much the Gatsby is are as a proportion of the booty that you earn for staking that much thing right so another way to bring this down back down to earth when you said Co-op it’s like what do they call it a profit-sharing amongst employees so if you are a spankchain live performer and you choose to rather than cash out to pay your bills you keep a percentage of your paycheck basically in the spank bank then you have the opportunity to to have that sort of the same thing that’s that’s the way Credit Union works you know if you give people put their money from their from their jobs into a credit union then that gives leverage to that bank 2 enough support projects under their their bylaws are there whatever Charter Mission however that works so this is if that if I if I’m clear on that then that’s another reason for people to another argument for the the really this utility aspect of it that there can be ongoing value but you can also you know you have a utility for it so anyway. I thought that’s on your end I don’t know if I’m still you know you’re putting your paycheck in there and it gives lover to the bank it’s a little bit different because you know you’re getting paid or or in booty or another crypto and stuff you’re not just like depositing it in the spank bank in earning interest on that you you would have to convert it into spanking and steak that and then you would have that participatory so it’s like one extra okay so what’s up then if let’s say a performer is once you have this sort of what do you call a 12 would it be to see at a double-sided or a direct I guess you would be cutting yourself out of the the the the state channel that connects the their guests are the Tipper the visitor with the performer so that that that transaction is going to be from their spank card it’s going to be booty on on their spank card going to the performers booty on their spank card and then they would still have to they would still be converting that right to eat on their way out of their wallet or they could just keep it in there or they could stay skit as spank I’m sorry I will be able to look at these schematics and so used to all of this will become very very clear very soon perfect audio podcast it will basically our plan is for users to be able to hold Ethan booty at first and then you know an increasing number of tokens and then have that convert in real-time through situational Base Exchange mechanism and then into Beauty in the performers channel so that they don’t have to take on the risk and then when the performer wants to us to eat to you no send it to coinbase or something call Gemini to to put in the bank in the future we’re hoping that you know we can integrate directly with like a debit card provider and so then you can just send booty instantly in your channel just as easily as you would spend anything else at that point like why do you yeah exactly will I will say that I stabbed a knife through my Bank of America card when my shift payments card arrived and it’s been a balancing act you know since then but but I’ll say this is the future for sure and so anybody who says if you missed out on the early days of Bitcoin or the ethereum token sale than you have an opportunity to not miss out on spankchain economy which is really yeah it’s really it’s really starting to move forward fast so are you good with for another few minutes can we talk about it another few things of a cool so yeah thank you so much I mean we really covered a lot in the shower and and I I feel like I will never want to keep abreast and future episodes to to study this phenomenon and I guess I just want to say another another question maybe I got one or two more is that what I think is so invigorating and breathtaking about what’s happening is that not only are you and your team innovating with a decentralized technology in a way that really it really brings out the best and and it helps to sort of worksheet it’s this taboo so there’s been so much so many scams and so much larceny and all kinds of cysts only thing that have given this is technology a bad name and and it will be such a beautiful irony if the most one of the most successful and fast-moving actual use cases where people are not just buying tokens instead of actually using a network legitimately is going to be another Vice I can others another yeah I mean it’s like once a toaster win Satoshi dice launch Terry Voorhees and now look what the stuff that they’re doing its you can’t you cannot make moral ethical argument for how powerful the projects that they’re doing are now so I just think it’s a beautiful thing that you’re doing and I can I guess I want to ask you a little I’ve noticed but stay on your on the YouTube channel for spankchain you’re seeing very straight-laced folks attending conferences about ethereum blockchain and you were able to articulate this really Advanced out-of-the-box thinking that you’re doing applying the payment channels in the state channels and it’s really for the people who get this technology in her immersed in it your outstanding with the Innovations are doing in that in that crowd so my question for you is who in your sphere really get this and I really are you really going to be a raving fans in and real seller have the kids from the understanding of how powerful is we know what you’re designing here and how it can be applied in other cases so this just become sort of the high people say silkroad bootstrapped Bitcoin usage who knows what what your framework is going to end up being adapted to and what systems it’s going to continue to disintermediate so I’m just curious you know are people really getting getting you the way you’re coming from or are they still scratching their heads or what’s up with all that yeah so in response like that I see a fart fart you know about us the irony around and being like seeing is in a negative light but then like actually you know where the team of really Township engineer’s and we’re trying to do really cool things we we are the most legit project pretending to be a shitcoin where the most projects or should coins pretending to be legit product we made ourselves a joke because we think it’s funny and because we think that like Schumer is actually the best way to help normalize some some of these couple Eno strange concept that we’re bringing up in these conversations that were forcing me to go to these conferences and we’re finding that a lot of times it’s women that come for sinners like you know this is amazing this this is like you know on the right path and unlike feminists two schools of feminism there’s like some like bored with sex workers are coming forward in and really supporting us finding us like speaking opportunities and and connections because they realize that like this form has has the opportunity to help our community to securely manage their own financing without fear of if you had your money then like this there’s no like 10 p.m. standing in your way to to receiving your paycheck or something there is to basically expand the envelope of like who’s in on the joke of spanking thing in fairlea polarizing on purpose right like we there yet. Like that’s crazy like you guys like my my current understanding reality like prevents me from accepting that this is a legit project and then we get you know I’m the other side people are like this is the best thing I’ve ever heard about like how do I help like I want in you know and I think that’s that’s what we need right now because we’re not as interested in people who were like oh this is kind of cool you know that that’s not very helpful I don’t think that’s like how movements make progress I think you know that are staged it’s it’s people who like don’t take themselves too seriously end and when they see something they sort of her curse in their own mind and I like you know something tells me that like there’s something we’re going on here and I want to I want to find out what and the people that do are tend to be pleasantly surprised that was saying there’s a lot of work going on in unity in building legitimate products and platform they they then you know we are in their support and it’s really validating thing we’ve had a lot of people come forward and and start to help us in that regard people from crypto communities like pretty diverse communities awesome and awesome well is his next next level Wizardry and I salute you and plug you so much and I actually I thought came to me today, leading up to this is it a did you ever see the movie better off dead by any chance with the John Cusack in the same generation issue or not but it’s a classic and there is for anybody who has seen this I would love to really invoke the archetype of there was there was a younger brother I mean I guess I’ll just give a little back on it and just a little bit not going to spoil it but it is appropriate for this the kind of anchor this is this archetype I really empowerment and it said there was this the whole movie is about the psychodrama of John Cusack being in love and having this hyper monogamous monogamous like obsession with this this girlfriend then he has to go through all of this sort of fighting the jocks and being like competing in the social hierarchy and social pyramid eventually he gets to be in love with the more down-to-earth foreign exchange student the French foreign exchange student I thought was more desirable from the beginning but there’s interesting this is very interesting tiny little micro subplot which is that his younger brother is sort of totally immune to all of the psychodrama of the family and all of The Madness of relationships and he’s just in his room just hacking before computers were even really that that much fun to play with with the the form of hacking that you was doing what she was cutting out the little coupon offerings on cereal boxes and saving up and ordering all these different Novelties and he got like a laser gun in the mail and he got the psych how to build a rocket ship thing and one of the things he got was how to pick up Trashy Women they open this door and one seeing and there’s a bunch of like they’d start a strip club hang out with them and that Jimmy that just epitomizes the opportunities for those of us who drop out of the mainstream sort of sexual Rat Race and really get creative and Innovative with how we can have more fun and do more work and Innovative thing so if you ever do I mean watch that movie you can know that there’s a place in my heart for you because I see you is like the grown up version of that hacker who is this you know working make turning the system upside down and everyone else is just sort of so sucked into their reality tunnel they couldn’t even imagine thinking out of the box so I’ll definitely watch it now it’s a classic too so I hope you guys enjoy that and that reference and I think that was yeah really good rap for everything I was curious about getting caught up on and I would say that I’ve been just I’ve been telling my friends to become involved with spinning chain and to get on the platform because you don’t have to be over sex if I report a fight on it you can actually just build community and make friends across the world and I think maybe what you might what you all might do is have like a safe for work not safe for work kind of toggling notification where people want to just hang out on spankchain then they can choose what level of how risky it gets or whatever but I know people who are on their doing yoga there’s people on there doing puzzles is people on their taking a nap you know and I’m taking people say figure out how to have passive income make money while you sleep well hey there a fetishist out there who will give you a cryptocurrency spank life to make money while you sleep so everybody wins nobody loses except for the parasitic and come and on that note I like to say a mean if you want to close this out with some Last Words maybe some you know what what if you had a pitch to the people listening what should they do to get involved with why should they get involved and then if you have any website URLs or any Twitter handles you want to share then by all means I just wanted to say thanks for having me if you’re listening to this and you’re interested in getting more involved go to the bank shein.com website find the link to our Discord and come join the community we hang out there we share announcements updates on the campsite future plans and you know just me and the picture is you know whatever sort of our hang out spot so come join us if you’re new to cryptocurrency if you’ve been exposed cryptocurrency there’s a Vibrant Community will help help you understand if you are new to adult you know people will sort of show you the ropes so yeah stay tuned for updates on spankchain all right thank you so much you mean depreciate it I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time and I’m excited to see what happens next and hopefully we will continue to have you and other folks from spank chain back on to keep us updated any important Milestones by all means you know this is this would be an outlet and yeah thank you again so much you’ve changed my life and I’m very very happy to be here in this moment of opportunity in the world with with people like you really stepping up so yeah we’ll talk again soon and I want you to have a great day and a great rest of your week one last one is like we couldn’t do it without you and we do it for people like you awesome broadcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple at provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Archer Park. Com Damas de

Sex Work Policy Reform Activism with Dave in Phoenix TPP165

Play

Sex Worker FistIn this episode I’m joined by a passionate advocate and activist for sex workers’ rights. Dave in Phoenix has been on the front lines of the prostitution decriminalization movement for a long time and has great insights to share about the Phoenix Goddess Temple case and much more.

Please visit his website at:
http://libchrist.com/

We discuss:

  • the story of liberated christians
  • swing conventions in the 90s
  • “onward christian swingers” new times
    article
  • the issue of single men in poly/swinger groups and the argument for sex workers
  • the history of the Phoenix Goddess Temple
  • Dave’s views on sexuality, religion, and law
  • the need for legal healing, massage, and touch
  • concerned about prostitution laws
  • “felony criminal enterprise” much higher
    crime than just prostitution which is just
    a misdemeanor
  •  testing the viability suggested donation vs. a fee arrangement for a sex act
  •  historical overview of Canadian prostitution laws
  • in-private consenting adult sex work vs
    street prostitution
  • beyond the myth that all prostitutes are forced into it
  • how escort agencies bend the law
  • harm reduction
  • Canadian charter of rights and freedoms
  • in current U.S. legal climate, escorts being assaulted by bag clients can’t help each other and are more afraid of the policy than bad clients
  • challenge to California prostitution laws
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project
  • Alternative funding models for sex “volunteers”
  •  the grey area of sugar daddies and friends with benefits
  • the potential and precedents for a club/membership model
  • the commonality of prostitution in the times of the bible
  • patriarchal double standards of adultery
  •  thoughts on bonobos and the myth of monogamy
  • my prayers for Tracy who I interviewed in this episode: https://tantrapunk.com/taking-a-stand-for-sacred-sexuality-with-tracy-elise-tpp36

About Dave:
I come from a very conservative background. 20+ years ago I was very active in evangelical, conservative ministries, including Bible Study Fellowship, Christian Business Men’s Committee, as well as serving as deacon in a conservative Presbyterian Church. For many years I believed in the inerrant word of God–God said it and that settles it.

But I met a couple where both husband and wife were going to Lutheran Theological Seminary to be ministers. They started pointing out how in Hebrew and Greek there were obvious contradictions in scripture and some things I thought were crystal clear were quite foggy. Being interested in supporting my conservative beliefs concerning sexuality, I set out to do more research to prove my position correct that sex was wrong unless you were married and then only with your wife. I read many books by theologians and those that were experts in Greek and Hebrew and slowly, over time, I found the evidence was overwhelming that I had been very wrong in my traditional beliefs. I became very upset that the church would mistranslate and misapply the bible to promote an agenda, which was not based on the original biblical texts.

In the mid 1980’s I attended many Stan Dale’s Human Awareness Institute’s “Sex, Love and Intimacy” workshops in Calif., where I learned and experienced the group dynamics of true love, intimacy and fulfilling sexuality far beyond just thrusting intercourse. While these groups were often closer to New Age type beliefs, I saw more Christ like love than what I had ever experienced in the traditional church. Too often the church is too busy reaching UP to God to reach OUT to each other. There are more people in the world starving for love and affection than starving for food, but when it comes to meaningful intimate interaction, the church is too often “God’s Frozen People.”

In my childhood I was very shy. I was scared of women and didn’t date till I was a senior in college. I never went to a dance. But gradually I became more outgoing and married. But more than 20 years ago, after being resingled, I was insecure and depressed. Many women reacted negatively to me, sensing neediness and insecurity. But slowly, over time, after experience the Stan Dale workshops, some sex surrogacy training, Esalen massage training and lots of G-spot massage experience I found women strangely attracted to me…especially once they started to experience my touch. For many years I thought all men were naturally, wonderfully intimate and I was just far behind. But so many women started telling me they had seldom experienced men with good touch and intimacy skills and I began to wonder why. I have concluded that many men want to be more intimate but haven’t learned how.

Example: A couple had me do Esalen massage on the women. After a while the man came upstairs to see how we were doing and got turned on seeing his nude girlfriend on my table. He jumped in wanting to be sexual with her. As he was poking and groping her body parts he asked how things were going. She replied “Great until you came up”. Sometimes honest communications can be embarrassing but he did get the message that at that time she wanted the intimacy of massage not poking and groping.

On the other hand, not everyone is going to become interested in real intimacy. Being intimate is much more threatening and difficult for many than just having recreational sex with strangers. But for me I don’t enjoy sex without intimacy, but often enjoy intimacy even without sex. My purpose is to show the various sexual intimacy options so people can relate to whatever they choose is most fulfilling for them.

I enjoy physical intimacy with a wide variety of women who also enjoy good touch, cuddling, massage, caressing etc. I have lots of ideas for more intimacy based on many years of teaching intimacy workshops for couples, counseling many couples as well as hearing from a huge number of men that are seeking more intimacy from sex workers.  I have been a speaker at national swing conventions hosted massage rooms and led the Phoenix Couples Group that had 350 participants.   I have been professionally trained and teach Esalen massage, which many women have enjoyed. I offer free massage to sex workers/dancers/massage therapists. Or, I offer what I call a non-sexual cuddle and caress experience so many women enjoy. Yes, I also enjoy sex but not “just sex” without intimacy with the great sex.

One of the problems I face in dating many “normal” women is that as one said, “I am looking for a man who values monogamy as much as I do.” The problem is they only see cheating as the alternative to monogamy. But because I have such different views, finding like minded single women is very hard. Obviously sex workers often face the same issues in their own personal relationships.

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 165 I’m being joined by Dave in Phoenix who is has a very interesting and very important role in my life and in the development of what’s becoming kind of a character which is this Township Punk this is sort of my my self-proclaimed super heroic Persona and it really was birthed to be very deeply honest this this this passion and this energy for sexual education sexuality education and sexual freedom in the rights to be a dignified sex worker and sexual healer all of these passions came really from my disgust and outraged when I first heard about what happened at the Phoenix goddess Temple and that invigorated me to because I saw an absence of a really solid movement within Tantra even though I had been a practitioner and a student and was kind of developing my skill sets and my credibility to have a practice and to operate in that field and I had some back on and I have really assumed there was a much stronger and a much more radical and much more proactive in in even revolutionary kind of solidarity movement within Tantra and when I discovered the what happened with the Phoenix goddess temple with Tracy at least it was really heartbreaking for me to feel like there wasn’t a strong sense of a movement like the way that the Black Panthers and the American Indian movement and civil rights movement and the gay rights movement and so many other movements that have had solidarity with political prisoners and with persecuted persecuted locations or or localities that there was a mycelial network of support that I was used to coming from that background and radical movements and I felt like it was severely lacking in this case and I don’t know all the facts and I wasn’t there and I can’t from my own personal experience make any any reasonable claims about the facts of the case all I can say is that I felt that the response was abysmal and very very few people seem to be keeping a breast with the proceedings of Tracy’s case and before the trial and end in after the trial and one of those few people who is here to talk about his perspective in his background that’s that’s Dave and he’s one of the few people that I have a very remote connection with just a just a lot of adoration for the work that he’s done and if you’ve never heard of the things got his Temple or Tracy at least please hang in there were about to get a full dose of the story on but first I want to just say thank you for hearing me out Dave to get caught up to speed and where I’m coming from and why I appreciate what you’ve done so much and and just say please do share with us here as much as you can or would like to about your personal background and what makes you a a very passionate delegate and well I guess the advocate is probably better word for the sex workers rights movement in general very good then I come from sort of a very different background but we kind of wind up in the same place at least in Broad broad generalities I was regionally in my childhood very shy kid scared to death of women that they tell I was a junior in college then people kind of say I might have made up for lost time I was also very conservative Christian Evangelical Christian Church I was a counselor for the Billy Graham crusade I originally grew up in Minneapolis which was the headquarters of the Billy Graham Association I was also very active and very fundamentalist Christian groups Bible Study Fellowship Christian business men’s can a very repressed sexually in with women and everything then I gradually grew I think my first life changing experiences were series of workshops over a number of years who founded by Standale human awareness Institute out of San Francisco with workshops at Harbin Hot Springs Resort in Northern California very powerful combined with sexuality in different forms very well done over the years I went many numbers of times I also once again in a relationship and brought a woman there that had a very powerful life-changing positive experience so that kind of made me get into the opposite of what I was as a child very outgoing or so I’ve always been interested in the intimacy aspects of of sensuality notches the the the sexuality so then I have to after that I moved to Phoenix and I started exploring with the biblical aspects of sex of sexuality I’m very analytical person I can came from the CPA background so I don’t believe just what people tell me I kind of have to examine for myself and started doing a lot of Bible study on the sexuality issues and found that at the conservative this really didn’t have any biblical basis I mean back in biblical times man could have as many wives and concubines as he wanted adultery was a violation of man’s in husband’s sexual physical rights over his women in all sorts of things then I met another Christian it was following the same path of the traffic came from a clothing-optional group in Los Angeles who wound up being here in Phoenix and we got together and says Jesus is a lot of Christians out there that are guilt-ridden everything about their sexuality was maybe they don’t really need to be and we formed a group called liberated Christians still have the website low price., though I haven’t upgraded it for many years we also been contacted by the lifestyle organization the national Swing Swing organization and did a bunch of presentations at the national Lifestyles convention I will probably in the 90s sometime at this point then we were picked up by a local newspaper called new times I had we were on the front page and headline I just looked it up still in the internet up the article on the front page headline find word Christian swingers looking for God in all the wrong places try this Sunday meeting and one of my favorites sentences in the article was this group’s introductory literature may be the only publication on Earth will you find the phrase Old Testament and vibrating nipple clamps on the same page typically swing group polyamory but not extreme living together and that’s for a thing after that article came out in New Times which had somehow they found her phone number buy some links to our website and that sort of thing and we had like a hundred phone calls from single guys as well as of a couple we have 350 people at one point in the couple’s group was a phoenix couples liberated Christians group and 10 question became what do we do with all these single guys because couples for good reasons want to be with other couples and that first got me interested in sex work area as a practical solution perhaps effect I had one Asian guy I remember distinctly calling me from college he says he’s never had sex before and he wanted to have his first experience with someone that knew what they were doing and they have led to the sex sex work area that I became interested in as a viable profession of helping people. Just just pure sexuality anyway years went by for years I had a phoenix private list with about a thousand people are on at the network with various escorts and in Phoenix and and other people and Tracy somehow contacted me and got on the list she started sharing with me some of her and her interest and experiences and wanted to form the Phoenix goddess Temple and even though I am not I’ve got a follower of Tantra in the religious sense I’m basically opened all religious beliefs I think there’s different paths to God and everything so I wasn’t really interested in the in the goddess you should totally supportive of what she was trying to do with healing people in the size and touching and all those other things but I was concerned about the prostitution laws and Warner you can’t just claim to be a religion and the First Amendment freedom of religion does a prostitution laws without going into a recession operated for number of years Polly had a had to change one location because of zoning and then wound up in the night sky Phoenix temple place they ultimately wound up with then they were rated and by the police 39 wonderful lemon lift Tracy prior to the arrest and then seeing her import exchange lots of emails over the years discussing various issues in the legal issues around what she was doing I met her once interesting lie cuz I met a gal there from the Christian background father was a minister in another country so we were interested in that aspect she also knew about the and that’s why we had a great time Burly got his kind of kind of session so then 39 people were arrested in the big raid 1 convince them they were they drop their and then dilated I think 38 wound up being indicted one was a cleaning lady that had nothing to do with anything anything else going on and the pre-trial process with with a very long time she was originally rested and I had one indictment with a million-dollar Bond as if you were a murderer then there was a second indictment which at one point had didn’t cancel the first behind so she had a two million-dollar bond for a while until the six six eating indictment replace the original document anyway long story of your process of the courts and all the pulmonary stuff they were threatened with the 40-50 years in prison if they didn’t plead guilty they did that because you got up to those kinds of terms because and it was a felony criminal Enterprise which is a much higher level of prosecution than just crossed a higher level of crime and just prostitution which is a misdemeanor but they often did that in Phoenix so they had criminal Enterprise and then every time they control money exchanging it was a felony laundry charge so they piled on all the charges and I was in the hearing where the judge gave four judges all together but one of the judges gave what they call a Donald advisement if you’re found guilty of all these you could face 40-50 years in prison so that scared all the gals they all took plea agreements most all four felonies a butt with probation instead of going facing going to prison Tracy was the only one that held out and went to trial went to a jury I thought the judge was very good there was a lot of big legal arguments about how much you can bring religion into the issue it was clear that there is no first amendment protection I can go through all the legal cases what’s the could you don’t have first amendment protection against state criminal laws but every States when the Supreme Court declared the Federal Protection of religion Free Speech religion along with did not apply all the states develop their own freedom of religion hacks including Arizona and there was a Hennessy case or the Georgia cases that have to be discussed anyway so I was hoping she’d rely more on that unfortunately the a lot of her testimony was very long the judge gave her free raining on everything but it was mostly preaching goddess goddess teachings an app to the jury my opinion didn’t have enough of the legal arguments there was also a lot of witnesses some of the top people the founder of the human sexuality was testify there he’s a great guy even Dennis Hof of the runs Nevada brothels was there and he’s playing this was no way to run a brothel what you take a donation at the end of the. At the end of the session you on the throne or whatever it was called you put your donation of those suggested what was on the website and in order to violate the state prostitution law which leads to criminal Enterprise you have to have a few rangement for a sex act and so I was arguing she should be hurt anymore that wasn’t the arrangement anyway those were brought up but she got it a lot of side issues which weren’t really relevant to my humble opinion so it’s finally after what was it for 5 months of trial judge I thought was very fair went to the jury and we thought you know how many days will the jury deliberate and everything within a couple hours Jerry was ready to announce the verdict I had gone home most people have gone home we got calls we all ran back to the courthouse and she was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to four and a half years in prison when she is now in she then filed an appeal the peels been in process now for a couple of years and all sorts of delays in the appeal the court appointed attorney hope she also acted as our own the Turning which I’ve always thought was a big mistake because she was already really more about what wonderful goddess work she was doing rather than the law and I don’t mean to be over critical but I think she would have been done better if she had had an attorney rather than representing herself so we finally got to the appeal stays she filed a brief her own appeal attorney suggested she not get to her hopes up too much because unfortunately I think the issues are against her then a couple of months ago or 3 weeks ago actually the state made their reply which got into all of the typical reasons why the state has a compelling interest in the prostitution law all sorts of other be crying all the terrible things that happen which is mostly related Street prostitution simple but that was hard to overcome so we were still in the appeals estate actually if she gets out with good behavior Plus credit for time served she might be out of prison in December we don’t even know if that appeals court will make a final decision before she’s released which is sort of ridiculous so I’ve always totally support what she is done though I think her at legal legal aspects were weak and that’s one of my story my background and how I got related to the temple wow well thank you for sharing that and thank you also for being for being honest and this is a place to to learn and to grow together with the right intentions and so I appreciate and I don’t I don’t feel any reactivity emotionally to take me to pick sides and order or I wouldn’t advise anybody that’s could a critical thinker to overlook whatever dissenting opinions are may be of any of any facts or any proceedings like I said before I don’t have a enough of any of the background information or experience to have much of an educated opinion on any of the stuff other than just the for me it’s the this is a unique opportunity for these issues to be sort of officially etched in the record of Western Civilization for as long as it exists but I would say I got a girlfriend I I’ve totally think of prostitution laws ridiculous and should be changed I just got back from Canada to Canada every year for the last 15 years in the Toronto area where we don’t have is a sure everybody’s safe her everything’s aboveboard they don’t have these kind of issues so even though I thought she defended it a little wrong I’ve always been supportive of what she does and all the good things we had by and I think about you we should have decriminalization of prostitution like much of the world does and we wouldn’t have this a lot of the problems that are associated with it I mean stay probably spend a million to $2000000 to prosecute her in 38 good Folks at the truck at the temple in the court system UI money could have been much more wisely smell than on something that had some real victims also one other interesting aspect that you really gets me upset is a one of the vice cops testified he been like a Vice Cop for 15 years and he made the statement have all the rest I’ve done and everything was undercover and with Vise work I have never yet met a prostitute quote that shows the profession she was forced into there’s something in her background so the idea in Phoenix and now around the country is we have to arrest sex workers look like for that turn we have to arrest sex workers to save because no woman in the right mind would be a sex worker that’s the attitude we have when the when the cop said that on the stand Tracy popped up and said you don’t know me and the cops as well I don’t know you that well I’m sure if I dug into your background I would find some abuse for some reason that you didn’t you needed to be you needed to do this and be a sex worker both in Phoenix and basically around the country funded hugely by these anti sex worker and I work groups to take a few isolated cases usually from the street which is totally different from your sex work is dividing the two things Street work obviously which I’ve had no connection with and private Consulting consenting adults like the Phoenix temple and zillions of other escorts a lot of the making your way through through college that are there by choice but we don’t make a distinction about that and there’s huge funding millions of dollars going in the organization to propagate the idea that all sex work is abusive women and therefore we need to save them and lately it’s been reduced man so they’re going more after sings with customers now has a way of reducing this man so hopefully no women will want to be a sex worker be so that’s cuz that’s the big issues that we face it really gets my call with the temple case and all the zillions of other people that have been prosecuted that are doing in private consenting adult sex work right yeah thank you for being up all those are so many important points of of talking points and in places to take action from all in what you shared and we’re in this very backward time right now in special United States and appreciate you bringing in a more Global Perspective and really the the words that the worst harm reduction come to mine for the forward-thinking progressive policies around drug addiction that have also been lead in other parts of the world in at the US drug war is not the War on Drugs the war on sex workers it’s all very much well it’s a Wyndham Chomsky would say it’s not it’s not a conspiracy it’s institutional analysis is not a conspiracy theory if you if you study what’s going on so from your perspective do you want to talk about what you feel especially of the religious background what are the forces what are we how would you describe the forces that are justifying in their minds and their budgets that level of of budgeting for what you could argue is a victimless crime well there are I can’t remember her name is one special Advocate has been wrong for years this written all these research reports on the evils of prostitution us because they are about people mostly street workers and they’re armed and there is a problem street workers that have come from abusive backgrounds that are forced by by economically reasons and that sort of thing I happen to believe that street work is a public nuisance is completely different than private checks work we should have other Alternatives like in calls or or Jones week been tried in Europe but of really really failed the woman that sort of started all of this been going on for like 10 years this is nothing new was just accelerated in recent years the Canadian studies calls I’ve always been legal in Canada however until a few years ago in calls were illegal and agencies Living Color’s call living off the avails what’s the main problem was in calls really go so you can get people off the streets and in an Impulse there was a big fight in the court challenging the laws for printing call and agency living off the avails agencies always thrived in Canada was never a problem his agency’s clearly Soul time and that sex isn’t the word any agencies are being prosecuted o that way but everyone was afraid open Indian calls which would be safer than alcohols Dover number of yours are way too started my case that wound up in the Superior Court of Canada Sac Superior Court of Canada that is a judge ruled 1/2 ruling was one of the longest ruling is in Canadian history of her detail that she went into with all the testimony from both sides part of the testimony was from these groups from the United States that did Friend of the Court briefs about all the evils of sex work the judge took all this into consideration and basically discarded all of that is being biased with a nun representative group and she ruled that the Canadian prostitution law for incalls basically and living off the avails was unconstitutional their constitution is a Charter of Rights and Freedoms which part of that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is about the security of the person and security of the person has been defined as harm reduction in the eyes of the court and ruled that the laws against prostitution without call is always Leon but the other forms of prostitution violated the charge of racing in friedensburg Jennifer security of the person because it created harm so it was the crown light at the the stated then appealed and stem appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada the Supreme Court of Canada upheld Superior Court ruling declaring it unconstitutional the prostitution laws of Canada based on harm reduction something happened subsequent them c36 which is probably going to get rejected also which then made it sort of the Year peter than Swedish example made it illegal for the customer conservative Harper prime minister was against Sheehy there more than some very conservative sects work was terrible and pass the law that made it a crime for the customer even though it was totally legal for a sport most all the major cities police Jason said they were not going to change their enforcement that they were going to follow the harm reduction model of the Supreme Court and basically there’s been no address in are bothering in private consenting adults sex with customers it did bring charges against an Asian Sea which is in process is not going to come back to the courts until January most legal experts believe it will be able to see 36 level to be held unconstitutional again the whole idea is harm reduction safety of the security of the individual under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms obviously the same thing would apply here but we have these well-funded groups National groups we have the hunt Sisters of the famous oil kind of tycoons have been a big girl order of millions of dollars I’ve actually gone there are nonprofit organizations I’ve actually gone and see their their tax filings r990bts background and see the millions of dollars being being funneled into it we also had a big thing in Phoenix the governor and the former Governor instigator that this big Council on sex work made in prostitution and one of the biggest organizers and supporters was mrs. McCain as in Senator McCain who ran for president on unfortunately sick right now but serious illness so we had all these legislative changes in Arizona including making it a felony to promote or assist before that there were about four local boards for people were sharing information warning people about bad clients escort warning others about that clients fake police officers that would would try and get free services that sort of thing when the new Arizona law passed that basically all the local board shutdown nobody wants to be committing a felony for assisting in prostitution my board I greatly reduced I stopped in the ass I stopped any reviews basically it’s now just Legal Information and general stuff but nothing like it was before one of the examples which goes back a few years before these new Arizona laws were passed making everything more risky for everyone of course now with no floss that’s even more extreme Now All Aboard you shut down so there is no safety and in that but I had a rather dramatic experience Health Department as sort of their their battering ram into the industry I’m curious in New Hampshire are they is it is there any specifications from the health department or health code that that are trying to set the rules for the industry for the porn industry their house we are hoping for more people more to join you know start producing they would have to try to regulate it but I don’t know if they would because I really don’t think they would I adhere to the same of you know guidelines as as far as testing goes as the only difference is we provide them with testing we we go through this last we have this very detailed checklist I think it was inspired by Nikki Benz I think it’s called and he will try to do it is legitimate is possible the only difference is we’re not paying Los Angeles or Las Vegas free because no dependents small company but you know we talked with other producers about importing Talent from Vegas and Los Angeles and you know kind of like it’s a long journey to make the asacol responsibility to keep it clean and keep it regulating type of business you just have to have trust that all people are you know I’m doing the right thing around that is because then yeah I think that I think like Outlets sexually here you know I said you know if you will actually liberated place like you know I even thought about you some Leaf peeping directed in the professional studio shoot up or down with your spouse just that sounds like a great guy honestly before you even were saying this stuff I could I was just it was a premonition that you would be talking about this because I I just felt like you were going to probably end up working in some capacity with the Chamber of Commerce of wherever whatever region or whatever sort of municipality or me to Sally’s and actually help that like what you’re you can’t you know you can’t afford your Public Works projects you know your new parks are being closed down for whatever reason well here we got the screws it’s going to be amazing yeah I can see it now and start building and I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now I can of gas its people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I I I want to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I talk to Subway to get a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good it’s the best I feel like you have a lot of love but I like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this is would be a place for people that veteran died literally I mean you know they call it in the adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of you in if you’re not in front of the camera and doing the stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in a note and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping living out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as veterans violence and brutality in Warfare civilians is military yeah that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval of being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performers have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Inside the Camming for Crypto Lifestyle with Melissa Sweet1 TPP160

Play

Melissa Sweet Pic

In this episode I’m joined by a highly accomplished and established entrepreneur in the adult entertainment and crypto currency/blockchain space. I first discovered her via an Intimate.io write up, then again via a Coindesk article. 

We discuss:

  • how she got into the camming lifestyle
  • how crypto entered her life
  • behind the cam, the average day in the life of crypto camming
  • constructive emotional responses to internalized “bitshaming”
  • favorite crypto news and info sources
  • time management skills for self-employment
  • seeking and sustaining healthy, authentic connections via social media
  • rave reviews for beta test camming on SpankChain
  • balancing revenue earning goals with crypto study time
  • basic crypto operational security
  • thoughts on day trading
  • diversifying income streams beyond payments and trading with staking coins
  • aspirations to build confidence for coaching and leadership
  • the development pattern of enthusiasts who become brand ambassadors
  • evaluating altcoins based on hash rate vulnerabilities and security with crypto51
  • adult crypto projects of interest including: SpankChain, Intimate,io, and Vice Industry Token
  • hard lessons, making mistakes along the way
  • joking about private keys in your private parts, the private keyster
  • how to play strypto, tits for tech tips
  • monetizing the free the nipple movement
  • cryptotitties.com and the need for cryptobooties
  • crypto video tutorials with Brenna Sparks
  • crypto for adult leadership by Ginger Banks
  • women in financial technology
  • the future of crypto camming
  • gratitude for vision of developers
  • how camming can often be safer than street sex work
  • the potential for smart contracts to clean up the sex industry
  • what is a shill
  • sharing investment wisdom but not advice

About Melissa:

MelissaSweet1 is an adult webcam model that is devoted to mental health awareness, tech, art and a cryptocurrency! Melissa streams on multiple adult platforms including MFC and Spankchain and has video stores on websites including Manyvids.com and Iwantclips.com

She is passionate about learning, thinking outside the box and having fun! 

Connect with her on Twitter: @MelissaSweet1_ and @cryptosweet111

Tip her with ETH at CryptoTitties.com

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin their beloveds walk of the tundra Punk podcast episode number 160 I’m being joined by Melissa sweet one that’s with the number one correct that is so yeah if you search for her online it’s melissasweet1 with the number one at the end of the word sweet and she is an experienced cam girl and she’s passionate about cryptoeconomics technology art and all things that make a person a good and in virtuous in the world so that’s all what we’re talking about here people who are on the passive Liberation and healing and empowerment and using technology and cryptocurrency to to facilitate that on a on a wide scale and so I have discovered your work I think we had become king and notes nudging each other a bit on social media and then you were featured in a coindesk article which is a huge accomplishment for both pretty but if he has so that’s graduations on that thank you so much for joining us and we’ll start with asking you can please share about your background how did you get involved in the adult entertainment industry here this is my first podcast to start I actually got the inspiration to become a cam model from an episode of Family Guy believe it or not and I one day I was just sitting there watching Family Guy and there was an episode and it’s called call girl and Louis needed to get a job and she’s submitting to submit a resume and somebody picked her up and says she you have a great voice you know what do you think you want to be employed to use your voice and so down the road you know she wound up being a sex hotline operator and I thought to myself I could use some money thing you know cuz I want to talk on the phone for some money so what I did from there is I actually went to Google and I searched you know sex hotline operator blindly and I came acrossed myfreecams.com which for those that don’t know it’s actually an adult webcam community and I discovered she can girls and so you know I popped in a room and I I saw these girls and they’re excited and they’re receiving these things called tokens and I just knew it was tips and I had no idea what amount of money was being thrown around but I just I saw just excitement and earning potential and as soon as I found out what a cam model was I was literally signing up to be, I’m so that’s how I got started in the adult entertainment industry on the Curiosity a search on Google and taking a really big leak into something that I just said was completely enriched my life sex work is completely enriched my life so that is awesome well I’m pleased to hear about that if your success story and before we move on to the crypto stuff I let to just ask her more questions in that space which would be what was it like it did you have a fair balance of praise and adoration and love and respect and all the things that help build you up in a positive direction sounds like you’ve had a really positive experience and if you talk about just kind of how it felt to start to get that kind of attention coming through in addition to the money right I really didn’t know it was adding up to you know I’ve token was a nickel and I couldn’t do the math quick enough to calculate what kind of them were you know brand new to the site but it was actually a bit challenging believe it or not oh my God instant gratification and you know I got compliments I got tips accompanying it but there was a lot of times where because I was knew I had a small room really turned into a little bit of what I call emotional labor where I had the responsibility of keeping myself occupied just maintaining that happy you know Aura to attract people to me and so there is there is sometimes or it was it was challenging to you no stick with it and it is something that I really had to push myself with self-discipline with self-love and I’ll just stay consistent with it and I really believe that’s that’s all the reason why I’ve seen grills is that I’ve I’ve had a lot of really really rough days I’m just you know like you do at any job some days you don’t learn very much you’re somebody says the wrong thing and it’s just it’s a it’s a part of it so you really believe you have to have thick skin be really aware of your boundaries and just enjoy it you know it’s important you enjoy it that’s that’s why I’ve stuck with it I truly loved it there so many hours experience if I doing this is what I feel like yeah is it as a man I don’t know if I don’t know what the the patterns really are haven’t looked at really professional or academic research on it but it seems like women if I understand correctly can kind of get more nastier trolls I don’t know if that’s always the case but in my case I feel like there’s only been a few hecklers and they’ve been kind of so ridiculous that they almost almost at form entertainment 100% agree with trolls existing with people having too much idle time on their hands and and they’re not just bored they’re not happy and they’re sending negativity and they’re sending that you can feel it and it’s about kind of filtering out that negativity it’s a continuous process of not allowing you know people to get to you and kind of mess with your day so probably encounter more trolls than males however in the time that I’ve been streaming now I encounter less trolls and I feel like it’s because I’m really I really understand what I’m not okay with and I’m really I’m really quick to say hey now I’m not comfortable head up that’s not okay and it just beyond them and move on so that’s what I recommend about trolls is the more that you look at women wear that you pay attention to them or you’re actually feeling them and feeding them we don’t want them very well said why is words and and him as you’re seeing this I realize that this is really an accelerator for human emotional development and it’s not for everybody but it’s definitely a boot camp and it will it will inflate you but also yeah give you some calluses in the right places and make you stronger and would you say that this experience has helped you just be more confident and more assertive in other spheres of your life yes but it’s also been really challenging I’ve I’ve worked since the young age of 11 and out of all of my jobs that I’ve ever had this is by far the most challenging and yeah it’s taking a lot of self-maintenance self-love self-care to have balance because it’s if you don’t maintain that balance its it can be dangerous and then you you can create your own hours it gets addicting streaming earning so you just you really got to have that away I believe cool so when did you discover crypto and how did it into your life I discovered it about on the go I remember on MFC he actually had the desire to tip me the full amount some people don’t know that website scam platforms on the majority of them take 50% of the earnings and so this was a very loyal client still talked in this day and he he told me about coinbase and the reason that it was coinbase which shows as because he was International so he had the knowledge of being able to send money internationally find a way to evade the large you know payment cut that I received on the cam platform so it was actually just like a one-time deal except that I received but you know I created that coinbase account and you know it work to transfer to my bank and it remained open so that’s how that originally initiated and I just cashed that money out I didn’t like hodl I wish I wish but I just I used it as a payment processor it was it was really need its really need for that in that aspect so then I got involved in it again and on last year and I received a tip from an individual that caught my eye on Twitter and this is where it really changed my my view of things because I had an understanding tips just came from a camp lot for encounter. It bought and so I posted it on Twitter and then all the sudden this tipbot you know said hey I’m giving you x amount of Bitcoin cash and you’re receiving $16 in Fiat in RUSD what is this crap and I’m compelled to block it initially and Son stuff I had some time on my hands and I hours of reading and then I kind of got a concept of hay and all this stuff could be legit so took a leap of face and I use the boss that was commanded via on Twitter DM and then I was able to I was able to move it to my coinbase and I was like so from there you know I got in contact with the person that sent it and then from there I am in exchange services for crypto received it was actually tributes I received and it really caught my interest so I am a learner I am real curious and I just started researching and the more I research that the more I just fell in love with it and it just it’s evolved into a hobby of mine that really so it’s really cool for so many reasons in my eyes Mmm Yeah I love crypto I love crypto to that’s so beautiful and yeah it’s everybody has a different experience of falling down the rabbit hole and it usually involves having been forewarned with Advance time to become a millionaire very easily already and then having the bit shaming has it was sounds like you’re doing something similar to what I feel you know it’s maybe a post-traumatic missing out disorder is what I call it but if you know that you had an opportunity that you missed in then every second of day job work or anything you have any any work you have to do while you’re not kind of feeling like you’re working for yourself for making your own hours and you look back at those people I just hear the echo of you should have bought in back then you know you should have taken my advice like you should have bludgeon me with the stick that you should not have let me leave the room without signing up you know you know I actually channel that and instead of like focus on that I use it to feel me and I think that I was like oh man the more I learn about this man but chains just so mean it’s just I’ve had you know people in the community taught me stuff I’m not you know I say I’m self-taught and that’s where it started but now I can fortunately say multiple people have been kind enough to take time with me and and you know share their knowledge and and that’s the beautiful thing to do is I’m all about supporting community on the Fly have time or I can link someone with resources you know I want I want as many people to know about crypto as they can awesome yeah I totally agree that the positive approach the constructed thing is to take that energy and actually join the community and create value in the space even if you’re not a programmer or coder which I’m certainly not but yeah this is an interesting thing or just have this conversation the other day is that the really hard core tech key crypto Anarchist Engineers they need evangelist the to do more Marketing in front end, Consulting and design and user experience testing and stuff so people who it’s it’s it’s really a mutually beneficial thing so even if you feel like all I can understand this photography or whatever the cryptographers need people who don’t understand cryptography to break it down for people and get a look-in are so yeah if all I said was thank you for doing that it’s really exciting and desist yeah it’s a lot of people I’m sure who are listening to this or on a similar play somewhere along that path so yes if you what what is a day in the life of a assertive crypto hobbyist enthusiasts camming tell us a little bit about some behind-the-scenes you know people are you are you popping open your Hardware wallet and and transferring funds several times are trying to know what is it look like in your daily without giving away too much or anything private yeah I know that’s the fun I love to talk about it well I sleep less now that I started cooked out because it’s I just wake up really early now and I wake up about 5 a.m. like a little digging and then and read first thing I do when I get out of bed even before checking cam emails or anything cuz I just said a lot of fun and yeah I watch the sunrise and talk crypto and then from there I did instead of getting dressed immediately bullet it’s really optional getting dressed optional to subscribers so I go ahead and try to do that sexy modeling thing for a little bit and the snaps out and then I plant my butt at my desk and I do marketing I respond to emails I read you know both adult industry news and crypto news and then just come to that kind of setup my day I’m a bit of a planner some I have I have a couple of planters that I use in conjunction one’s a linear line and then another one’s Panda planner where allows me to play online when’s my weeks just kind of as a I decide to so I get a little bit of an idea for my day and then and then take off from there but during the daytime I will usually accept private server stream the days that I’m able to and then I do a lot of behind-the-scenes talking with my numbers and my friends that’s a big part of what I do actually I like that I really like having authentic connections it’s important to me so and then buy evening somewhere in there there’s like a bubble bath or two cuz I really like bubble baths by evening I’m I’m getting on what cam you know when I can and I like it a little bit of a break from temporarily just because it’s caught my eye and I’ve been you know participating as a beta tester for spankchain and it’s been in really it’s been a journey yeah so before I used to just be like wake up and snap and then you know cam cam cam all night long and now it’s just kind of a balance of no bouncing my earnings my goal and then you know how much time I can learn about crypto awesome so what are some of your favorite news sources or influencers different bloggers and YouTubers and whatnot I have a list of my favorite but I’m curious about who you what your digesting on a daily basis from that world I work a lot on my lurk in Discord them apart of a lot of crypto canonic servers so I just see the behavior of people what they’re saying how they’re behaving and a lot of social media monitoring I really enjoy sequin desk of course whatever really pops through my feet it’s mostly social media but I get it and then the inside on Discord like I participate sometimes unfortunate enough to have some really experienced guys invite me to their voice chat sometimes and they instilled me with a lot of really positive knowledge about you know the importance of getting hurt your crypto off of the online wallet and you know securing it in a cold wallet and offline wallet you know what I can on that’s what I do I don’t really do a lot of day trading I’ve done it and I enjoy it, I just don’t have the time and sometimes it can be added stress on the then I’ve also I was instructed on how to invest steak and a coin so I mean I I don’t just you know receive payment and bottle I just I have a binance in a bitstamp in a bit tricks and I have a metamask account and I just have all these different wallets in different places and I just enjoy learning about it I continue I hold a lot of altcoins just because I received them and why not and I’m really excited about you know the future of crypto where where it’s going to evolve from here cuz it seems to be kind of a roller coaster and it’s a lot of fun wow you’re getting into some really advanced stuff that’s awesome I’m kind of catching up to some of the stuff that where you’re at and this is very interesting. Just goes so it’s so infant and it’s so early too so I’m wondering if you know one of the things that I’ve struggled with as I have started to realize gains and started to figure out how not to have the whales eat your lunch so to speak you know and can be like a full-time job just not to lose your ass and it’s kind of fun it’s it’s one of the things it’s been hard it’s just getting really exciting psyched about it especially when it’s a can of Bull Run and it’s easy to be psyched about it and then trying to get a bunch of people on board and and then realizing sometimes that you know what it it’s it’s it’s really not a simple process for a lot of people so you know I didn’t know if you started to try to explain to him what the best procedure is that could change you know a week later the process and so I’m curious if you do how do you feel I’ve got I guess I got to a point where I just said you know what I’m going to wait to really try to unwrap people more until a lot of these protocols and regulations and things are settled so there’s really more of a just more of a reliable a reliable procedure I’m wondering if you kind of had that experience of trying to get everybody and then it’s like they all have different problems with customer support and then you’re kind of like going home and I should just wait until this is more mature where you at with that yeah you’re at your I’m on the same page as you you know blockchain technology is relatively new and because it’s decentralized you know we we don’t have a huge amount of rooms and places it’s really it’s really vulnerable is the word I would use I guess so I really am kind of sitting and waiting and I’m I would feel more comfortable once we have a little bit more concrete rules in place because I don’t know I just want to be straight across the board with everything that’s something that is a real big important factor to me cool when you feel that that sense of confidence with the state of things do you feel like you would actually start mentoring people especially Canton people in the industry who are being exploited and you know taking advantage of the neck to be using this to get more payments better payment it’s more security more privacy and all that good stuff it’s funny because I’m talking to people and passing and they’re talking about you next year and cam conventions excetra Anna a truck want to go yeah that is if I’m not doing crypto full-time and I’m nowhere near to the point to be like really coaching people for advice because I still feel that I’m learning but I think it would be really I’m ambitious I guess maybe one day you know to have enough knowledge where I have the confidence to really sure people on and to help you know allow crypto you know to empower their life and change it the way what has for me and I’ll just being able to have non-reversible transactions that’s internationally transferable there’s just so many things that make me all about crypto and all about that the industry cool hopefully yeah that will definitely happen I see a lot of people yeah even just different people who were starting out kind of is enthusiasts and then they become just out of their own curiosity of their own Journey starts a document them you know their progress on YouTube whatever and then all the sudden they got a hundred thousand followers and then crypto projects are hiring them to represent because they’re just brand ambassador huh that’s going to be in the cards for you is already made a lot of progress here in lovely lovely progression is so exciting so do you want to talk about you know with them of course any full disclosures about weather year invested or not do you know if you care to say that but basically you know projects that you’re looking at I got a number of projects in the adult space that I am invested in that I am I am we know with Sweat Equity and with with crypto mean a percentage of my Holdings and whatnot somewhat I’m wondering if you speak openly about projects that you are fans of that you invest in that you believe are going to help move things forward in this in the space specially the adult space I really enjoyed it comes R cryptocurrency in different cryptocurrencies on i-41 and more of a fan of like that Quinn and aetherium and it’s it’s because of security I believe in that those those two currencies on because they have significantly higher hash power than other coins out there and that high hash power makes it really more difficult to penetrate into be hacked than other coins such as altcoins so I for one of my favoritism and certain coins because of what I believe is the security of actual syntek and you know I’m all about coins and in people you know chasing you know their dreams and starting a coin and having a vision in the movement I think that’s the only way we get farther and that these all coins are actually helping the blockchain you know by increasing you know the different channels and stuff but I really don’t invest I mean like I said I didn’t really start dabbling in this until last year so I’m a Noob I mean I I I know some things but I don’t really I don’t like I’m not invested in any projects you know I like spankchain and that’s something that I see myself spending a lot more time on as much as I can and you know balancing. And then my my original site and messy and then just seeing how it involves and then there’s another company on that I’ve met actually I think about it and it’s intimate II earlier this year at an adult convention and they’re really really kind and super passionate about crypto and just very welcoming they have a business plan kind of like where that you have a scrub and that’s you know it’s just nice to see different platforms and in different coins popping up you know their catering does an adult industry it’s it’s great and you know I got to meet with Vice token at that convention got some advice and yeah I mean that’s crazy about all of them but stink she’s definitely one my heart so far just cuz I’ve had the opportunity to work for them and I’m excited to see other adult platforms that launched and I’m definitely going to be adamant about testing amount and the percent of them awesome yes I’m a I’m a big fan of spankchain as well and I’ve been counting on there and it’s been the best treatment and the best tipping I’ve experienced so far and not to mention I’m not even thinking about the the cut you know the better percentage deal of the earnings but just just the generosity and the spirit and the love that I think specially the people that early the early if they’re a.m. developers and the people who really believed the people who bought into that at all you know there’s some of the most fascinating generous very respectable people that I have been countered in in my life I feel like this is a whole new they’re really already living in the future and they’re sort of pulling helping us people who are like straggling in the past and I’m just throwing ropes down from this so beautiful or I feel like I’m getting beamed up into the mothership when if the and there’s my way from wherever so yeah I’m there with you and I also agree that that’s a good point for people to know that this the hash power there’s a noose I don’t know if you heard about this is called like crypto crypto 51 so your breaks down the hash power of each so that you know pretty much just saw it. I don’t like oh wow that’s interesting to me as crypto 51 app app and hit shows you really a there’s a huge drop off into the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars when you get it below aetherium and then Bitcoin cash in the below that it’s it’s a trip for anybody doesn’t understand exactly what we’re talking about here is basically that the only you call Food first-mover advantage and network effect so the the two most robust networks are also the oldest and the pretty much the oldest and also the ones that are most distributed in and have the most the biggest developer community and whatnot so definitely not professional investment advice but but looking at this you can kind of get a sense of where where you should be more cautious about hedging your bets and where you can feel a little more secure so I agree with you and six actually something I like about spankchain and and even an intimate as well as at least you know they’re starting out with aetherium Bay smart contracts and then you know if if things have already changed and there can be opportunities I guess to to be what they call blockchain agnostic and just choose really the most the best and most secure and most solid backgrounds for for running these apps it’s really more about the apps than speculating on you know the the Kumon play my game so I think that yeah that’s as cool as hell but the real value so cool thank you for sharing that and I’m moving along with some questions you’re so have you had a real difficulty so far he had to deal with any real like I mean worst case scenario will be any kind of hackers or any kind of close calls with you know I remember my heart racing copying addresses from different currencies to send a different wallets and hoping that I had the right wallet addresses in the right currency and just that your eyes are just starting across the screen a little bit going am I doing this right now I’m doing it right but I’m lying then your hesitancy click so one time it wasn’t a real big mess up I actually got to the trading sites because I wanted and I’m not chilling here xrp because everybody was doing it okay that I was probably Shield I’ll correct that so I’m going to go ahead and get some xrp and I learned that I had to do it from a training site and so you know I went ahead and I got the xrp and then I want to buy more of that or something and instantly sold it on accident I want to actually create a bit I was actually going to trade it for Fiat I believe and I just did instant sale and it wasn’t a big deal but it just showed me the power of the click and you know how it could really it could be dangerous and I can’t urge that enough that you know you go in here and you kind of navigate yourself and you’re going to make mistakes you can easily lose money that’s why there’s crypto Consultants out there you know they’re there to protect that and enforce that doesn’t happen to people like that you know I’ve had provided the wrong wallet address for tokens to come in for an example coinbase you note only supports blue for cryptocurrencies right now and I wish I had somebody send me my it was Frank actually and it was just that they saw the addresses up and we just completely innocent mistake and I want to send you spank it once in my coinbase instead of my metamask which coinbase has the support a token of our I’m sorry metamask is supported token of stank and coinbase isn’t so when the money was sent that spank was sent to my coinbase it was lost and I wasn’t able to retrieve that you know about it because that’s not a supported token spank for that that wallet so you need to have knowledge of what wallets hold what coins and what coins are sending to those wallet whether or not they they can be in a unit transferable with that stuff so let me think any other compromises because it takes so many you know Network confirmations in the blockchain. Actually finish the transaction and I just remember so many times when I did a Trader I sold and I’m just like holding my breath waiting and hoping and fearing that it wouldn’t show up because of an error so it’s it’s nerve-wracking in that aspect for sure I said definitely still the early phases and someday we’ll look back and laugh right about all the stuff you know just you got to really be careful not to have it cost you and you know just hold yourself accountable and and have that responsibility and know that that’s on you you know because we’re used to having centralized you know Financial currency and stuff and that provides a barrier buffer you know you have the bank if somebody just beat it with and just in the wrong address tough luck so all right yeah we’re learning to grow up for learning to be if you’re going to be your own bank you got to have your own armored car to to go along with it so let you know with writing down your seeds on a piece of paper and you know not just holding onto things digitally I was and I had great advice by some experienced people and they advised me to get a fireproof waterproof envelope you know to put those pieces of paper in the cold wallet in and then you know stored in a safe if you can or somewhere trusted so awesome we’ll hopefully yeah it’ll be a some sort of production house that will want to make crypto adult content that is the movie release exit by the learning process and hide the private keys somewhere I find them I was joking about this should be at teledildonics toy that works with the with the webcam platform and have it be called the private keister so you could have a hardware Hardware wallet that you put it where the sun don’t shine really committed to to hack that yes somebody somebody’s going to kick down and make it happen yet that’s it I’m open sourcing that that Concepts right now whoever wants to take it on you know that’s all I care about is something that’s so funny and it turned into strip towel on webcam on Skype with the gentleman and I was like thank you so much for that advice and I just like tips for Tech tips well as the free the nipple movement so how about incentivize the freedom it the nipple movement you know his vote with your crypto and make this happen if read nipple exposure totally deserves it for everybody to The cryptokitties Killing up kitties I do have you signed up for cryptotitties I’d be all over that but you did cryptokitties are titties right are you it might it’s really number two and number three I don’t know if we’ve kind of had a little bit of the fun pop in back and forth around spots that number one Brenna she’s been holding it down for a while and she’s doing really cool things you know it’s doing I think she’s doing nude video tutorials about crypto and stuff and you know it it’s cool that’s actually how I even landed you know the exposure with coindesk one of my friends Ginger Banks she had she had suggested me when I was inquiring and you know I’m really grateful for that and I just it’s cool it’s cool to see pretty ladies getting into the the fintech and awesome so what who do you say that was that had already been doing the crypto she’s releasing in it from then I may be mistaken but from what I remember and recollect seeing on social media she was just doing some like that it’s cool I was there to obsessively you said really been awesome we covered a lot we have another 15 minutes or so left so you want to get into some of what you see is now that you have so many kind of data points that you’re working within and studying as far as the future of crypto in specially in the adult world do you have any feature requests or if you could have the ear of the developers which I’m sure you probably do but I’m just curious now that you have all this experience what it what do you see is some opportunities on the horizon well I ideally I would love to see it’s really hard it’s it’s so diverse honestly I’m kind of sitting here waiting to see what the developers are bringing me you know what they’re going to bring to the table I’m a really creative person and I’m like smiling ear-to-ear saying that spankchain is really delivering like what I was hoping for you know I’m a cam girl that’s what I do and they just save really delivered a really cool platform so far I don’t know I think it would be I cannot think of anything that isn’t in the works already and that’s super cool I see so many creative developers and you know one reason these different groups and just everybody has their vision and it’s just it’s so inspiring so I really don’t I don’t have any suggestions for the developers out there except the key thank you thank you so much dollars is hardworking developers out there for making this this comes alive because it wouldn’t be you know without you guys so thank you agree effect actually have the same experience which is that when I started to understand crypto and I started to really in my own mind just brainstorm about how many problems and pain points I could solve for all of the adult I mean I’ve been in the adult world for a long time it’s real what’s up how long if you don’t mind me asking sadly you know fortunately it goes back to even before I was at legal age and that kind of gets into some someone over five years for today I just hit 5 years so like 5 years 10 years so I was just trying to get some more experience than I don’t think I’ve ever been as successful as you’ve probably been but that’s just kind of the way that the cookie crumbles for the gender gap in marriage is hard no matter what gender but I think that maybe maybe you know girls might be more of a demand for men I don’t know it’s hard to say I don’t know you would know better than me you know all I have is my side in my experience you know and that’s what you’re bringing to the table and that’s that’s interesting and very insightful to hear him best time to be alive if you want to strut your stuff because you know back in my day and like I said I’m a come from I come from working in the streets really you know an environment where there were no safeguards and there was no identity blockchain verification all the stuff so now I’m really excited to see especially just this Avenue of camming for four people because it’s so much more it’s so much safer to make a living you can be a mother you can be going to school just to eat if you don’t want to have anything to do with it and it’s actually extroverted introverted by Nature I like to talk and be social but when I’m around a lot of people sometimes I get on easy so I mean I have the big luxury of you know streaming from being alone in my room and that’s it’s really nice to hear that you know you’re able to exercise in your comfort zone more you know overtime could possibly imagine being the solution to all the problems that I’ve encountered in that I know other people have encountered I mean really gnarly things too pushy like from dumb contracts where you could be there’s if there’s like serial rapist to use so-called porn edition agreements to say oh you’re going to come here and now Edition but you’re not getting paid and maybe we’ll pay you later and send you a check in the mail smart contracts can clean up all of that funny business and so yeah but between the projects that are that are all out there doing her thing and serving different niches and different use cases I’m I’m pretty much am just feel like a sports fan and you know I haven’t felt like a sports fan in a long time but I feel like I’m like that too though I’m in my office standing up going yet really right on in and I’m actually at 2 to throw in a key word here for people who might not have the vocabulary at the term show we mentioned earlier and it said it’s a funny funny character Wikipedia is pretty funny so I’m just going to give us do a little of sidebar of a little bit of crypto and investing vocabulary for people and it says that says here on Wikipedia as she’ll also called a plant or a stooge is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with a person or organization shows can carry out their operations in the areas of media journalism marketing confidence games are other business areas that show my also asked to discredit opponents are critics of the person or organization in which they have a vested interest through character assassination or other means so when we say we’re not Shilling a coin then we’re disclosing whatever affiliations we have and we’re not trying to dupe other people into a Ponzi scheme or any other such fraudulent Activity one thing that I really stressed if people I go you know just don’t believe what people are promoting do your research I actually have a second Twitter account it’s at cryptosuite 111 and I have a link to a store that has a lot of the basic vocabulary terms for crypto Amino basic abbreviation so that those out there that are trained understand it better I think the learning those terms it’s really helpful to better understand it and yeah you just got to be careful it’s the people will definitely push their brand and push their product primele be motivated by profit so you got to you got to do it yourself tear homework yeah I agree definitely and it’s has been I get to Fine Line and learning that as well and just knowing you know the there is a healthy and and transparent and respectable way to promote the projects that you find interesting and just yeah or if you or if you are engaged with the proper motivation just just stating at 4th right so that it’s understood that okay that could be you could be just you know so starry-eyed that you might have unconsciously or even consciously in the worst cases be distorting facts but I mean something that really is demoralizing is to see the the tribalism between currencies and people trying to cut each other down and certainly fud and all that really negative aspects but I don’t want to be manipulative and just you know information and you know to get information you know like I said from multiple sources cuz that’s the only way to really you know try to gain an understanding about it it’s it’s hard it takes a lot of reading a mean I remember reading white papers until my eyes ached and it was it wasn’t because I was investing is just because I was curious so I wanted to see how they’re doing this and what they’re doing awesome will this is so exciting thank you so much for your time we’re getting close to an hour here so I just want to say if you have any last words of advice or I certainly if you want to plug all of the places where people can connect with you and hopefully people checking out and was the number one you’ll probably come across my PornHub account and I have and I want Clips store in any of its MyFreeCams spankchain I’m really dispersed everywhere and down my thumbs are open if anybody has questions about crypto I just I love being a part of the entertainment community and it’s been a really fun transition into crypto on with adult work encourage everyone else to get on board you know that that wants to and just learned it’s it’s been fun awesome I’ll second that and say that my my advice my personal non-professional vices don’t invest your money invest your time and understanding it and good things will happen and you will be very strategic so or about investing your time and understanding its and just so I can make a quick buck and so long at it but I think about it tell people you know you need to treat that investment as if you could lose it all you do is really not wise to take money and expect that return because some people are out there promising that you know and those are the people that are just Crush alot. Random stuff so you need to treat your investment like you know that it’s at the market fluctuates you know the value can go up and down and you need to just make sure that you don’t put yourself in a bad spot counting on it exactly exactly what that is great great advice and so yeah we’ll have definitely have to follow up and if any time you feel like coming back on the show just feel free to reach out and I’m sure you will want to be in touch again as things develop it looks like some exciting developments happened even just today with the aetherium in the SEC and that bullish news about it not being a security that is very exciting and again back to your point about to stick with the majors people and you know I’ve heard some surprising things though like I I would like to know if there’s not I thought my perceptions there’s not much money to be made and all coins but I’ve had people blow my socks off telling you that there were here day trading and they’re making good money so it’s like you know whatever whatever pick up and you like and you can do and you you can roll it that go for it cuz some people up there is some people are natural Traders and it’s just about wherever you want to go with it so all I want to thank you so much for having me on and I’ll definitely take you up in the future on for coming on here cuz it’s been really enjoyable talking crypto with somebody that also has an understanding of its enjoy the rest of your day and we will be in touch soon podcast please go to www.drudgereport.com put on the Downey by 10 to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at +81-827-515-9314 event at Orchard Park. Com Thomas gay

 

 

Tantric Sex Coaching in Japan with Megami Mariko Passion TPP119

Play

In this episode I’m joined by a dear friend and fellow sexual spiritual activist Megami Mariko Passion. We met a while back in L.A. through the tantra meet up community and have shared a lot of strength and solidarity as wounded healers and light workers who’ve earned our angel wings by doing the dirty work that is often marginalized. She shares deep and moving insights about the underworld of transactional sex work and ultimately provides great hope and inspiration as she describes the personally and culturally empowering tantric sex coaching work she’s now doing in Japan.

Please visit her websites at:
www.goddesskayakwanyin.com
www.tokyotantralove.wordpress.com

About Megami Mariko Passion:
Megami (meaning goddess in Japanese) Mariko (meaning child of truth) Passion, aka the goddess Kaya Kwan Yin is based in Tokyo, Japan where she moved from Los Angeles, California one year ago.  She has been practicing as a Tantra goddess practitioner for 4 years total, and throughout greater Japan since June 2016.  She coaches remotely to clients in different parts of the world and Japan, maintaining a web coaching business with U.S clients.   If it is feasible she will culminate sessions in hands on or off in person sessions in a location that is convenient for her and her client, encouraging distant clients to use Tokyo as a healing retreat destination if possible.  Her new Japan based Tantra business will be called Tantra Tokyo LOVE and she will use the name Mariko (her actual Japanese name) as her local brand name.  Ethnically half Japanese, she works hard towards expanding fluency in the Japanese language daily.   She offers great discounts to do Japanese only sessions for clients so that she can practice.   This intends to build her ability to welcome foreign and Japanese clients into her temple space.   Currently, most of her clients are English speaking foreigner men but she hopes to expand that reach, soon producing a bilingual Snuggle party in Tokyo to spark platonic intercultural and energetic exchange.

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Park podcast episode number 119 I have a huge grin on my face because I’m very excited that we’re going to be speaking with Mariko passion AKA The Goddess Kaya she’s coming at us from Tokyo Japan and the way we met was very beautiful we were kind of both I’m doing Tantra workshops in the LA area and she joined a meet-up that I establish called pansexual Tantra and and she came into the first time we met at it was kind of a sacred circle jerk it was an experimental Opportunity Act created for meant for intentionally for men but really for anyone cuz it’s pansexual time should we have been reopened everything so she blessed us with her presence and I think it really added a lot to the experience of having these men feel comfortable pleasuring themselves amongst other men and it was just a beautiful experience for me and then we we collaborated further we we had a Kundalini monologues event where she headlined the event with the Beautiful music offering that I’m sure we’ll get to hear more about and also we did there was a pretty amazing experience we had I love to get your perspective on it too as we get into this but where we did kind of a freestyle somewhat somewhat loosely held container of of a Collie invocation ceremony and things got pretty wild and I was really stoked on on what happened there so those are just a few of the highlights we also went to a she invited me to a swap meeting sex workers Outreach project in LA and that was interesting but I know there is it’s interesting so bridge-building between you know activist organizations and sacred sexuality Tantra and the tactics of compassionate what not we’re all at play in that in that evening so and then yeah we’ve just been in touch and we both had similar training well some of our training has been has been similar we both stood 10th request Tantra counselor training with Sean Roof Inn San Diego at different times but yeah we’ve just been kindred spirits and I also did some session work with her that we can talk about but yeah well that’s to say I’m very grateful to know you Mariko and I’m excited to know more about you and have you share about your Life Path and what has transpired to make you the beautiful wonderful awesome you were being that you are so without further to do please bless us with your story and we’ll start there oh my goodness thank you babe and I’m a say I totally just got the lowdown of our timeline and we do have a rich history so thank you for being a part of that so much has shifted for me since I’ve moved to Japan so it’s good to kind of remember who I was when I was in Los Angeles which wasn’t that long ago it’s now been one year and one month pregnant countries but yeah good and bad memories right what makes a friendship cheaper is that you to go through some pretty deep dark places together and come out the other end and you usually do come out the other end which is something that you don’t believe is possible but it’s almost always is so how far back are you comfortable going in your personal life history timeline to kind of put in contacts that you’ve become really a rare gem in the world if you know what you could what you could be doing you know starts at 12 possibly or maybe 11 or 10 I’m half-japanese ethnically my mother is Japanese was born in Japan and when I was 10 11 12 I would go I requested to learn more about my culture and so she took me to Japanese school which is just every Saturday we would just learn a little bit about the language and sing some songs and see some kid games and stuff but I was in a school with other sort of expat children of from Japan so they were way too far ahead in their Japanese than me I was like I’m not as indicating which is a type of Japanese person but not from not born and raised in Japan so I’m a Japanese-American basically but there’s Japanese peruvians Japanese on Brazilians are on the case and so we are are the community of Global Citizens who sometimes come back to Japan and sometimes just continue to live where they live and we have a unique perspective on our culture which is still inherently Japanese at its root right and so that’s what brings me here to Tokyo and I’ve been living here for a year living my dream my lifelong dream images to re-acclimate with a lost culture learn my language and get to know my relatives that I haven’t talked to some of them in 28 29 years well as far as your career path towards becoming I guess we could give you some titles you know you are a certified Tantra counselor and also do you want to can I give folks a sense of who you are and what you do in the world as a goddess has got his kayak as all of these hats if you are so I came to Japan on a tourist visa and I knew that I would be okay even though I was scared shittless and I would cry everyday and the prep to moving to Japan but I had already under my belt a 3-year experience of running my own pontrich life coaching business in Los Angeles and different parts of the US but mostly in La so I’d come to Tokyo just to see if this would work out and work out and it’s not as frequent of a business that is as it is in Los Angeles cuz I actually still use Backpage here and Tokyo and it’s not as saturated as it would be in any US city even after their big shut down Backpage is still more saturated in the dating section than to Tokyo body rub or escort pages so I don’t identify as a sex worker but I do use sex work portals to attract my clients into a contract pass so I within a week or so I’m able to work here as a country guy and so that tells me that things are possible for me here and took you I can actually survive here I can live here as I may have to get a second job or you know some other way of making money but certainly I can do Tantra here in English because I wasn’t I’m still not fluent in Japanese in Japanese but I’m not able to do my sessions in Japanese yet I’m doing a deal with Japanese speakers wear because it’s sort of a residency or a way for me to practice practice session it’s really cheap it’s about on the equivalent of $100 an hour which is like 60 70% less than an hour us and then a hundred and it is super flexible it’s not I don’t charge by the hour I charge by the outcome I charge by the session necessary and my clients know that it’s not by the hour it’s a rough I give them so I usually end up really end up being to their advantage I usually give them more time because I feel like I’m not done or I have something that I’d like to show you and this would work out well since we’re already to build the connection with our clients sometimes it’s a lot of time so I make sure to take that time with them because I feel like they’re worth it and they’re healing is important to me so I take as much time as as necessary without going completely overboard for either of us that’s cool I like that business model so do you want it how is the I’m super curious how this you can see wisdom tradition is healing modality this technology how is it driving with the kosher there so far what what are some some key points that you’ve discovered so my Discovery here for foreigners for expats for digene is what we’re called foreigners gaikokujin is that we have feelings of isolation here in Japan and that it’s a very common thread as it’s common for myself as well so a lot of the times when we’re doing our work we’re healing what needs to be healed within us and so this really works out quite as I can I can empathize with my clients I understand the loneliness I understand feeling isolated and I understand you know I have more of an advantage because I speak Japanese I looked up and he is I you know I’m I’m constantly learning a language I have time to do that I have time to do that so a lot of my clients are not doing that my clients are two types of people they are international businessmen of a high-caliber so they’re coming to Tokyo to sidhu Deals International deals do you know they’re from Singapore are there from Vietnam there from wherever they are from and they’re coming to this major city capital to do business for a few days open stores open branches of Tokyo excetera then my second type of clients are military men who are usually high rank some because my fees are not cheap so I’ve had several or two notable Military Officers who have flown me to their bases and work has a submissive so they called me in to train them to be a submissive all right yes that’s why I when is Market here in Japan is a military man who wants to be dominated with compassion Keep Ya without obviously you don’t violate any confidentiality can you give us some insights into some of those Dynamics are just generalities it seems very well I should say before before I I I should practice breakfast at by saying my my new political ideology thesis is that women are actually still in control of everything you just have to find if you if you want to get through to a politician you have to find his dumb and then you could have influence over him because she because the Dom has the highest leverage Point literally holding him by the balls and sometimes twisting by the balls so I was very curious if you could elaborate on what you’re doing there with the dumbing the high ranking military officers combines Tantra and King and therapy and so that’s kind of what I’ve learned to do it’s not standard S&M BDSM I’m not just playing with people I’m not just doing things to them or living out their fantasies it’s not fantasy work just like a regular Tantra session is not really fantasy work I’m not dressing up like a goddess and doing a belly dance for you I’m doing so in that same regard I’m not going to wear outfits I don’t really do things that I don’t specialize in within the Realms of King there’s so much that I don’t I know nothing about I don’t touch that. I’m not interested in I’m not actually a sadist I’m not actually a masochist when I pour flu is on someone’s head it’s not decoration it’s actually a goddess ritual that I teach them to receive the blood of the Goddess they I see some to receive the fluids of the Goddess so all of the fluids yellow red and vaginal fluids are all warships in the same right and it’s not a fetish per say however if they have that background and they can access it quicker I can draw them in in that way but there’s a lot of talking screening that goes on before I to see if we’re a good match because if you are really invested in running your script around fetishes and Kinks him you’re not interested in going deeper or learning anything new you’re not teachable you’re not coachable you’re not ready to worship the goddess you’re not interested in that you’re just interested in your orgasm then we’re not a good match because it’s slow my work is slow and it’s definitely compassionate it’s nice like I said there’s a lot of things that I don’t do I dress up and outfits when I feel like I want to dress up I you know I know a few things and I make it creative it’s creative to me I have to be mutually pleasurable to me I don’t know how to whip you I don’t know how did you keep a cushy body ties I don’t know how to do electric shock therapy there’s so many things I don’t have special equipment I don’t you know like so if you read all that and you’re still okay with that and that is a good match for me in a lot of these guys they just want to be kind of in a in a DS relationship which I like doing I build Subspace that way by beginning to have a text relationship or a SMS some kind of a Skype kind of messaging relationship where we’re getting to know each other I mean it’s definitely a willing co-defendants that. That begins and I get to know them do that they call me goddess I called him you know like each other love each other I always say that I dominate with love I done with love and compassion I’m so that’s how most Mistresses and goddesses operate it’s this lack of that they may admit it later but it’s not something that’s an over it sort of yes my my greatest weapon is my heart and so I will love you you know until you are a puddle on the ground and that’s pretty powerful actually and what I found is more powerful than the whip so yeah I’ve had two very intense travel dominant-submissive sort of emergence with various officers it all been so eye-opening you know like it’s just been such an honor to serve and to be served as both an honor to serve and be so bright that we in Tantra should recognize that there is a duality that goes on that we’re constantly shifting that I’m never completely a top I’m also in service to my bottom right so that I’m serving them I’m serving them in their healing and I’m always keeping in regards their choice their their desired what their outcomes right we don’t have goals and what did you come to me to explore so recently and May and the sub decided that he wasn’t his words were I’m not emotionally invested in what we’re doing anymore I need to end this until I have a moral obligation as a responsible dominant that sounds like a safe word to me right so and I gave him that often always before I give my clients my son misses you know no matter if that came for. They always have the option to stop doing the work I’m paid before we start but you have the option to not continue So after 24 hours of my working with him in Okinawa he decided to hit eject and I allowed him to do that like instantly with the passion okay I support you I love you great thank you for working with me it’s heartbreaking to me it felt awful and I cried about it but myself my responsibility was to allow them to go you know like that they it’s not about me and my progress in my process they always have choice I’m a night I respect that choice that is what I feel my moral obligation to do so that’s cool so what is the what is the disciples I could come once a week or I know some of these can be more a mini vacation for the client you know to the taken on a tour that can last for days going into deep places so what was the typical pattern or what are some of the ranges that gets even held we we initiate a contract and once I get a deposit from them then I feel comfortable like starting to do my work so there’s an intake process they fill out and then take a questionnaire about their history about their intentions what they like to learn or discover deeper and then I then I start to do my work which is researching what would be the best tools to use during our sessions researching about things that I may not know about that are in their history it is definitely therapeutic academic work that I’m doing and I have not trust my training with Francesca but I have you no other activists background I have a postgraduate degree and things like that that help me be able to do this kind of 1 to 110 approaching I’m in a way that they trust so giving them articles to read and we’re talking on Skype and usually we’ll talk every week probably our in-person meeting has been planned for two to three weeks in the future and so I’ll meet with them twice for an hour but in between that I’ll be sending them articles or we’ll be talkin you have any question and if there are dominant and submissive men during this time I’m calling them my sub and I’m I’m I’m building Subspace by by doing what I do as a dominant which is kind of slowly starting to to see to give them tasks to prepare for a recession in a dominant submissive way but I don’t do that with other people that are not in the king crown but again all the people all the clients have to be teachable so they have to be willing to read and do homework and asked me about that and because we can’t build unless there’s a back-and-forth so now it’s it’s definitely validating for me to hear what sounds like you are a revolution of the experience of having a commanding officer but one that’s committed to your spiritual and sexual development as much or more as your ability to Via effective killing machine all day yes sir yes mam right and there’s no passion in that you’re trained as a military person to be a machine and to be a yes or no question what we’re doing in Syria just do it don’t question our ties to Russia just do it right so just do it and they have actually in Okinawa especially military radio in their in their car is that that that elicits propaganda right so it’s it’s a real thing that they’re prepping to bomb North Korea anytime anywhere is what they what I keep hearing anytime anywhere you know so Springsteen or some other American pop songs on mainstream radio on the military bases I already have that they don’t have someone who’s leading with who’s authoritative with compassion they don’t have a mentor figure they don’t have they have someone his domineering not dominant eye dominant doesn’t need to be domineering all the time so I have authority because I have knowledge I have authority because I have I can facilitate your healing and that’s what gives me Authority I’m not an authority figure because you signed up to a contract that and I get to push you around that’s what the military is I signed a contract sister and I know that you pushing me around is going to be a part of it and yes sir yes sir I’m going to do that cuz my job I get paid to do this it’s different with coaching right they pay me they want to do it they can pull out whenever they want to see their choice they have control actually in to a certain degree and boundaries I respect their boundaries to certain degree I have to have some Freedom right there’s a usually a Navy plant you can’t say no to everything if you’re wanting to submit to me but they’re safe words there’s red yellow green you know but I get to know my submissives through the process of you know talking to them everyday for a couple weeks so I ask them questions what do you want to happen what are you looking to explore it’s a very facilitated coaching experience you know I am a guide so I’m not just doing what I want to do I’m seeing what they want and seeing if what they want by Vybz with what I want yeah I think I can do that yeah that seems like that would be fun for me yes I think I could do that and there’s so many people who I can tell right away this is not going to work out and I’m not going to do it just cuz you’re paying me nuts the difference between doing what I do and being a sex worker sex workers you say no but when I was a sex worker was about transaction transactional outcome I will do this because that’s within the range of things that I do but the outcome is certain it’s it’s because there’s a transactional I’m giving you money for this certain sex act but with my sessions is it’s not sex work because maybe those things could happen and maybe they won’t I go with the flow of what we’re doing you can’t say I need to have to I need to nail say I need to what if I get do I get to Pop’s right to Pop’s multiple orgasms can you put you know do some disc butt-plug strap-on play right okay if if I was the goddess Hera I would take that into account this is kind of what you think you want okay I’ll take a list of what you think you want and then we’ll just blow but sex work it seems like to me and all I have seven years of experience being a transactional sex worker so I feel like I do know something but they get mad if you don’t do that right it’s like you’re your responsibility to do this thing and we would often take power back by saying no it’s not and we don’t have to shit but lay that you know like we could just do drugs with you and dance around like I was always this dance of power anyway you know between the worker and the client and well this is really exciting to me so I like the words you’re using I think you’re I don’t know if you’re joining them as you as you go along or if there’s more of a broader just discourse around it but this idea I mean I’ve seen transactional sex work that’s a powerful term I mean I would hope that that that’s being used to put into context and in within feminist scholarly feminist discourse that there is the potential to do what you’re doing which is transformational and you have the power and you were only screening for higher paying clients who want to have experience of transformation and who have already in their own journey I guess either by Pastor transcended that that sense of I mean I imagine it would get boring after a while if all you were doing was making someone fake that they were interested in doing whatever you thought was entertaining for them I mean you know lad and sits on travaille Destin Garrix and at that time I was at the end of my rope you know I was like escorting had gotten to the point where I was kind of going crazy I was like I’m ready I’m ready to be coached into something else there’s got to be more for me than this I am completely drugging and numbing myself into believing that I can do this any more days that I can you know what I mean I think you were a role model for anyone who’s in that level of like you said transactional sex work to to see that there’s a way to make more money have more dignity heal yourself few others excetera excetera so yeah please the the makeover the personal Tantra makeover process I would love to hear about that and the byline of motivation is that you can have control over your work you don’t have to do what the client wants you to do you can design your work in any career in any business to be beneficial mutually beneficial to you you we have the power to do that but we often create a self-limiting cage that says I have to go to McDonald’s to work I’ve got to work at Starbucks because they give me these benefits in that benefit I must see you know these violent clients because I need to pay my rent I can’t make my minimum without we always be at his justifications right the previous to meeting Dustin and learning how I could be a time trika I was a late night escort and my hours were midnight to 6 a.m. and I felt like that was my niche market I had to see those clients cuz I was picking up who nobody else would pick up and I was making pretty a pretty decent living doing that and I felt like I wasn’t you know I try to be a high-class escort and it wasn’t working out so I was kind of I created my own Ishq market with the dirges of society and being compassionate and holding space in my own informal way for these guys who I didn’t like the sex part of sex work anymore so the drugs do drug users and drug addicts were just interested in companionship and having a human being in the room with them a lot of the time or or interested in a mutually getting high with people and talking to them and not be judged and I’m good at that so that was my career for you know that was my escort market for a few years that’s kind of what I probably did and then I’m at the time it worked out good but then with that comes violence and just you know this is the dirges of society’s there’s drugs involved there’s violence and balls and I was just tired of that kind of you know population ran into Destin Garrick at a party and then he has graciously gave me coaching for free you know pro bono coaching and so I know that you do that with your practice done and I try to just give that back to people who are willing I want to see what’s possible I know that I charge a lot of money but there are ways in which we can work together usually if if you’re willing to be teachable there’s wait there’s things that I need in life that I can time bank or I can trade or you know I can give you less and you can do your own homework but Dustin gave me about 15 hours of coaching and referrals and how to get started as a tantra teacher and that’s always been sort of a lifesaver I see that as a lifesaver you know and I always talk about that story because I’m cool yeah it’s important so we also share that teacher that’s awesome so this is really yeah this is really deep intense material and going into it it’s it seems like I don’t know if a lot of people know this but I’ve been learning more and more that you’d be surprised how how many quarter quote John Cena really they they do want the actual companionship and some of them in their own Journey just not even care so much about fucking or getting off but having the energetic and sort of psychological social intercourse if someone just paying attention then hearing them out and so was that that was more was it evolving more towards that but there is still dangerous sounds like you’re still you know places to be stuck in training we are healing ourselves and that’s what opens the door for us to be better to start a toast for you for our clients at that time had not received my own training so I was where I was at you know we’re always attracting are mirrors so I wasn’t conscious of my my wounds and so I would tear up with client you weren’t as conscious I was quote unquote holding space and exchanging energy with these but I wasn’t I didn’t have the awareness of what energy exchanged was exactly many people do have Tantra sex we are always energy exchanging with people we have been doing it since we were kids but once someone you know at a meet up or a lecture or a video tells them you’ve been doing this this is where it comes around this is you know how you exchange this energy this is how you meditated everything you know like all these little morsels that we give people who are willing to learn this stuff and they see oh I’ve been meditating my whole life I’ve been having sex before I even knew that word you know just happened sooner so I was doing that before with compassion you know like giving these drugs addicts you know one guy spend all his money instead of going to rehab to see me and I just held him all night and I remember his his his high infusing into me that I could feel the drugs without doing that because I can you know when we’re so close to someone’s body it is energetic exchange and I could feel the drugs coursing through his veins there was other stuff besides the drugs you know like how it must feel to want to go to rehab but then you instead are so afraid that you just spend all your money on a prostitute and just how that’s going to unfold for that person after we wake up in the morning I don’t have attachment to that but he does I didn’t get high but he did I got high on my own energetic sense but he has to pay the consequences for it not me well so you do you want to talk about your work with Swap and just what kind of advocacy and Outreach in activism is going on for sex workers and certainly in this age of changing when they first it was Craigslist and then back page and so now there’s a lot of I guess I’m not totally current with it but but there’s a lot of concern that it’s too well the policies and the enforcement strategies are actually making a problem worse than putting putting the sex workers in Greater danger than not so if you want to come and go into the political commentary by Dobie Gray so I got into full service sex work as a mentee of scarlet Harlot Carolee who’s an artist and a sex worker older she’s probably 70 now but she had done so much activism in sex work that I was attracted to that community in San Francisco her and Robin fuel has passed away from cancer since then you was the first person he was talking about decriminalizing prostitution and the first person who was compassionate and she had such Southern Charm a great smile at Shrewsbury you know warm and congenial and so is Carol Lee is someone that I still call My Chosen mother she was my hore mother and so both of them were like mine or mothers and they mentored me into feeling like prostitution or doing intercourse for money wasn’t a bad thing it was a good thing and there was a hole Community also that would you know that was doing this and we were okay and we were fine we weren’t the trash of the world so many many people were so motivated by what Robin was doing she had been arrested for prostitution and because she was an agent herself which is AKA a pimp right so she was she was being an agent to other sex workers across the borders of the states she was in a bigger case international trafficking case that most of us just get arrested for one-on-one prostitution and that’s a misdemeanor but she was in a federal felony case and was facing many many years in prison so at that time she became super vocal I’m at that time as when she started swap National and many people followed her and within that year her first year she started many many branches of this sex workers Outreach project and that was 2006 and I was so determined to follow her path that I said I am going to start Los Angeles has swap chapter and be the Revolutionary War revolutionary that La has never seen that that was my sense of purpose at that time and I spent seven years as an escort but the whole time that I was doing it I was really vocal and visible sex worker Advocate an artist so I’m making songs about prostitution I’m performing the song I’m singing lemonade conferences in different cities in the world and doing conferences and speaking and all of this stuff I’m I’m doing without direct pay I’m seeing myself as the Robin Hood of sex work activism so I’m taking my my income from my clients and using it to advocate for the rights of the workers 7 years I did that I’m so but at the end of that seven years was when I met Justin the work was starting to chip away at me and even the activism to start take starting to chip away at me because I wasn’t getting paid you do get tired of using your income to do to do social justice work it does get it’s not sustainable and it says burn you out and evidently we need to get paid for the work that we do no matter what the work is so that was the end of the seven years and so I was looking for a new identity and many many years after that I guess it took three or four years before maybe I even trained in Tantra and Chris was not interested in doing activism in the same way that I was doing it before because there’s also kind of interpersonal interaction Unity struggles that happen with people who have experienced a lot of trauma and sex workers have typically on and myself is included in this population experienced a lot of trauma and so organizing with that Community can sometimes be challenging and we sometimes will trigger and traumatize each other because we are like a like a bunch of dysfunctional orphans what kept us safe forever is you know lashing out or doing something that is crazy I mean there’s a lot of no different people on different trajectories of healing in in every community in the world right but then when you come together with like maybe a drug-using community or sex working community the percentage of people who have experienced trauma is much greater and this community to sex your community is not really willing to to say that sentence even because we as an activist Community who are trying to fight for our rights are not trying to make us look bad so the people who want sex work too and he want prostitution to be eliminated they’re called deliciousness they will say oh all sex workers have been abused and raped in traffic and you know come from broken homes so we don’t want to answer and say yes we’ve been abused and raped and we come from broken home we want to defend against this day not know not all we don’t you know we’re all okay we’re not all abused Bubba blah you know so there’s always this back-and-forth of trying to assert that you’re saying even though you’re falling apart inside so but you know there are good examples I’m not going to say I’m not trying to say that even I’m a I’m a I’m a living example of someone who has survived a Continuum of violence but feels like I’m able to have a career to be functional I you know I am a functional member of society you know I’m able to coach other people and able to have morals and boundaries and I learned from my mistakes you know we’re able to if we want to kill ourselves and I accelerated way and we make the best healers because we’ve been through the darkness ourselves and so that’s kind of how I justify my own career path is that I am three to five steps ahead of my clients and I attract the kind of clients who have been through sexual violence who are you know having feelings you know various abusive spiritual abuse is physical abuse is or are interested in exploring sexuality feel genderqueer those are the kind of people that I like because that kind of me 5 years ago you know like I understand that so yeah so that’s why I feel like I’m a good healer for for particularly men like that I’ve always attractive male survivors what do you have to say I mean just take a couple breaths here cuz that’s pretty intense work I just want to I Really applaud you and thank you so much for being that that light and not succumbing to you know like I said you you you could be a lot of other things that would be true could be a lot of other outcomes and you stand out for sure and thank you so much for all that service in in the activist were and I agree that you don’t download activist worked I didn’t get paid for and you know it does burn you out and it does deplete your resources and it’s also opportunity cost because if you’re not if you’re not building a career unfortunately this world with the energy that you have in youth which comes basically for free even if you have a bad day even if you’re a drug addict even if you have no clue about holistic health and wellness and energy you get a lot of free energy in your Youth and then as you start to age it’s gone and you if you didn’t invest and you didn’t save and you didn’t build a career path then it’s if you can get really Bleak so congratulations to you for pulling yourself out of what could have been a lot worse circumstances that wouldn’t know is really a you’re living it up because you’re the spiritual play girl that has sounds like I really did explore that but it just wasn’t for me it wasn’t as satisfying as what I’m doing now I’d gotten training and HIV testing I’d gotten training and needle exchange I’ve gotten I’ve explored maybe I could get an MSW a master of Social Work all these things to legitimate you know my experience as a sex worker but it pays very little and and the hours are intense you know and I don’t mind working hard but it just wasn’t none of none of those things that I explored getting further training in was attractive to me and also a I do want to elaborate a little bit on why I was so kind of you know I had quoted earlier or I tried to push this memory out of my mind because I just wanted to just described to the audience what happened I had spent a huge gap from activism from sex work activism because of what I described as a coup I found it swap LA but I’m the new director then like really pushed me out in a way that made me feel so unwelcome that I quit I quit the organization that I found it and he just did she completely like decided she would take over change the font changed everything and you know and I had no right to do anything is so that was so it was so traumatic to me that I quit and I lost my identity at that time and then that’s when depression really started because I’ve been this or revolutionary activism for activist for so many years and I just wanted it so I near suicidal like level you know cuz when you lose your identity that almost always triggers this this loss of meaning of life that when people I hear it all the time and no webinars and stuff people who have experienced suicidal ideations because they lost their careers their jobs identity right so my identity at that time was prostitution was doing is activism so she took over and I just stopped associating with swap La completely but you know me and you and we decided to come together for this event because there was a new director and they were having a Christmas Christmas party December 17th a day to recognize violence against sex workers and I thought okay can I do a musical performance I’ll be the music act right because that’s kind of what I’m interested in now I sing and I play the balls and it’s like spiritual chanting and I want to see you tell the sex worker community that. Tantra goddesses are sex workers in a in a sense but we’re just different kinds of sex workers were spiritual sex workers and we are still part of the community because in America doing Tantra any Hands-On work is illegal it’s seen as prostitution in so we could get arrested for that so that’s why there should be a connection we should be allowed IBS be recognized as the community it goes both ways so horse should recognize that good for a secret person to recognize street prostitutes it’s like both of us so I was a starting my presents playing music at this December 17th event so I’m playing the trumpet player and a woman comes from the audience and like the man that I stopped and that my performance is so expensive because I’m appropriating Indian culture and I need to stop right now like she and it’s such a shocker to me cuz I just was not psychically mentally prepared that anyone would basically she’s heckling me right so she’s taking me to the point that I stopped and I never experienced that you know like since I’ve become a goddess we become so much softer read as a sex worker as an escort you are the opposite of that your heart and then you’re not trusting of the worlds you’re ready to be you’re ready to defend if someone jumps on your not in that mood anymore I don’t live in that vibration so I was just like it’s frozen though and I couldn’t do anything I couldn’t move I just sat down I thought I did what she said I stop playing like that and it was be worst sort of like I always so traumatized by that you know like I am trying again to you know to give to this community and yet they’re completely rejecting my guess and you know that’s the story from earlier where I had tried to give to the community and they rejected my guess is so that’s why it was so heartbreaking and God I spent about 48 hours trying to heal from that that was really hard but yeah so the community sometimes will have those kinds of mental psychological verbally abusive kind of outbreaks and I’m just not interested in putting myself in a place where that could happen anymore so it has led me to seek community and other places of people who are interested and willing to work on themselves constantly none of us are perfect but what we have in common is that we’re always try to seek to be better we’re always trying to work on self so that we can be better for appliance we’re interested in that piece at least as I find like with a lot of other activists communities they are still interested in being right and winning fights and asserting their power through two talking points and two arguing and I’m just not interested in that in any way at all you can win that Facebook argument great is the most the kindest most raw I will be kind and wrong any day I’d rather not I’d rather be kind and wrong then unkind and right you know well this is a this is really a guy’s you you concluded that Inlet story with this this phone Redemption because I was I was pretty shocked too but I also I guess at that moment I felt like the best thing that could be done is just to not feed energy to to that lower vibration that was trying to Sir to pick a fight and I think you did a great job you really I don’t think you lost face even the way that you handled it because it was so I mean because you didn’t feed into it it stood out as being so inappropriate out of line absurd and ridiculous and laughable to me but I didn’t even I didn’t even want to give it back after I just wanted to let it dissipate into itself and disappear into the night which eventually it did and it did it did you know really open my heart to extra compassion understanding for you have to be you know if they have to deal with that in the and just knowing yeah there’s a lot of meu you earn you definitely earned your to be to graduate beyond that into just few extra myself I want to just be surrounded by people who really not walk on eggshells but really you’re conscious about being gentle and really not complaining about too much and not being really that like just not being hostile for no reason and in refining the refining everything so that you’re not you know just creating a toxic environment as much as possible you know I mean we have Heather certainly toxins in the environment that we have very little control over how much of it gets pumped into our minds and our bodies in our you know our lives and in every Dimension but anywhere that we can design a little bit of non-toxic gentleness and space to sort of DNA that’s precious so I I I feel you totally on that and I mean we don’t not fight with each other we don’t not raise our voices but it’s it’s sort of I don’t want to have that be the way that we are you know like my people I sit down to break bread with we’re not yelling and shouting about whatever opposition whatever oppressor anymore I did that for so many years and I just don’t better than fuel me anymore where it used to you know right now there’s plenty to be angry about I’m not ignorant about what’s going on in the in the US because I live in Japan I’m still paying attention I’m still American but at the same time I know that it’s not I want to I want to I want to acknowledge that there’s so many other countries out there and I’m able to get sick a broader Global Perspective now that I’ve moved to a different country and I’m not on the ground in the US and you can be angry about Trump and be angry about this and that and his supporters are are angry Bunch as well you know so we can go into it with that as the way that we saw something and I just it doesn’t matter what your causes it’s it’s what it’s what your your intention is and the way that you see a solution and how you’re going to go about that and some people are like oh yeah that’s too woo woo or hippie you just sit there and sing and chant about it I’d rather get my gun out and shoot you know everybody has a different way the same problem but it is the same problem we’re all looking for clear loving connection and understanding guess we are well well I don’t know how we can come to a better close we’re almost an hour but I just want to say if you have any final thoughts and if you know feel free and definitely plug your websites in waste connection hopefully you’re still you know recording music and putting it out there so people can check that out and Yeah more of you how do we get more of you my website is goddess kayak Wann Yen. Com goddess k a y a k w a n y i n. Com God is Kaya Kwan Yin. Calm and then that’s the website that I’ve been building for 4 years it has YouTube videos on there and it explains my session courses and what I do and it has the intake form which is the questionnaire for potential clients to see if we’re a match for the work that you would like to do with me I am putting an open invitation out to women clients a couple of because that’s not the kinds of clients that I usually get I’ve worked and specialize in male sexuality for about 17 years so when I do get female clients when I do get couples it’s exciting and great to me if you speak Japanese that’s a big discount yeah so that’s my and I’m going to be transitioning using my my boy name which is medical as my goddess name because now I live in Japan I don’t want I want them or Japanese name and I have one opening a business and it’s even get such as a form of communication for Japanese people turn on touch decided they don’t they don’t even hug when they say goodbye to each other it’s not common Society not a communication Society so communication is nonverbal communication is very different but this you know so what I’m hearing is kind of communication this kind of very training sort of verbal ideations of you no problems and stuff so when you do this it makes me feel like this there’s nothing bad in Japanese culture is a New Concept for many many adults Japanese adult kids problem kids they can go to counseling but people in Japan are still at the point where it’s kind of shameful oh my God you’re seeing a therapist psychologist that strange this is really interesting and exciting I feel like there’s going to be some crazy animated is going to come out about Mariko the the touch the touch doctor the touch since she was ending it’s unbelievable what the transformative potential is to take this to somewhere where could have such a profound in it in an immediate and such a high contrast impact so I hope you get really good rest and I hope you get to you know all the success in the world and you know eventually you’ll have the means I’m I’m I’m sure that I can see in my crystal ball that you will you’ll eventually have the means to to really come back to the ruins everything is sex work activism and be able to create much more financially empowered resource opportunities for folks you know I can see it so I think you’re going to have a beautiful life are canned and I feel blessed and thank you so much again for your support it with me and my very very first you know breaking open that little hatchling shell to to start to talk about mice Maria my offerings in in the country world so that was a great yeah Lil chapter it we were having so hopefully we’ll get a chance to it also continue to collaborate in the future weather remotely or in person but yes definitely wishing you the best and looking forward to more Adventures right when we do and you know it always marks our growth when we come together at these times right every few months every 6 months so it’s nice to do that and I’m happy to do that with you anytime regardless of geographical boundaries great will thank you so much I will definitely talk to you soon we’ll be in touch to take care bye bye thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.drudgereport.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple at provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episode if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com

Hacking the Sex Industry with Pro Gigolo Vin Armani TPP95

Play

Vin Armani PicIn this episode I’m joined by Vin Armani a new personal hero of mine, a veteran in the entertainment and sex industries, and an empowering role model for the new sacred masculine paradigm.

We explore his background as a computer hacker, his spiritual initiations, political philosophies, and adventurous career as a professional gigolo and reality tv star.

We discuss the role of sexual-spiritual healers in Las Vegas and beyond. Ultimately, we share hope that personal pathways of consciousness evolution, healing, growth and transformation can be developed by anyone anywhere through the embodiment of divine feminine energy.

Please visit his website to watch his show and connect with him on social media:
http://vinarmani.com/show

About Vin:

Vin Armani is an author and entrepreneur, best known as the star of the long running Showtime reality series, “Gigolos.” The show focuses on the lives of straight male escorts in Las Vegas. Armani has been en elite escort for close to a decade and has detailed his personal philosophy on love, sex and relationships in his book, Tao Of The Gigolo. Vin is also the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post, a live, weekly streaming video program focused on exploring ideas of personal liberty.

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 95 I am here on Skype with vin Armani who I recently discovered through the survival Podcast of which I’m a devotee I’ve been listening for years almost every episode and was really pleasantly surprised to hear some of the topics for probably the first time go into what I call sexual Capital One of the forms of capital and how it can be used to do really amazing ethical things with the right the right mindset and so I really appreciate hearing Jack and then talked about a lot of them kind of hacker mentality around sexuality in an economics and we also have some similar spiritual history as a matter of fact so we’ll probably get into that later but for now Vin if you would just give us a bit of your background let us know what led you to be coming now a world famous reality TV show start of the smash-hit series Gigolos which I can’t wait to check out as well I just found out about it so please take it away that you should definitely check out Gigolos you will love it no doubt it’s a it’s a very fun show it’s been now seven seven years six seasons of doing the show and it’s it’s basically is what it’s turned into now is a buddy comedy about five of us who work for the agency that I work for all straight male escorts working for cowboys4angels which is the agency that I work for and yeah it’s a high chance that we get into as far as I know in terms of reality TV I think we were the first show that ever showed and maybe the only reality show at this point it’s on Showtime and the first one to show full frontal male nudity which for the first three seasons was pretty much every episode you were guaranteed to see that so it’s a it’s been a cool experience and very egalitarian show I think it shows a different side of sexuality and that’s definitely a show for this time. Something out I’m I’m really actually proud to have been a part of and it’s through that show that obviously as my profession I’ve become more well-known along with my co-stars our agency is now very very popular but and now you know I was you caught me on podcast are the survival Podcast so now it’s been about 6 months that I would say I’ve been out of the closet more politically in terms of really wanting to take a stand and put forward and help to push forward some more libertarian voluntaryist views views about freedom in general you know I’ve been a big proponent of sexual freedom for my entire life and explored it quite a bit and that’s been important to me but you know we are whole creatures and sex is just one aspect that was a huge aspect obviously but it’s one aspect of its it could be a vehicle for Learning and it’s it’s been a vehicle for my own expression and so you know being a six-figure and in helping people to express themselves more fully sexually I wanted to push that forward as well so I mean my we can talk about how far back my background goes in terms of this exploration like I say it’s been pretty much my entire adult life and and I would say really at the start of adolescence that I’ve been trying to better understand myself every aspect of myself and not shying away from certain subjects and I mean if you shy away from sexier you’re really shying away from I would say probably 80% of your waking consciousness so until you have that under control it’s hard to get anything else really managed so you know I guess we can talk about that further as we move on but that’s the that’s the nuts-and-bolts I guess ten thousand foot view of who I am to me if next next level renaissance man in so many ways and I’m totally thrilled I think the you know the topic that I was kind of playing with this I was catching up on some of your previous podcast earlier today was was that the concept of hacking the sex industry I mean really taking a sophisticated approach to having a more spiritual kind of bigger picture worldview Consciousness agenda and and really bringing more Consciousness to sexuality and doing it through the exit actually transforming the industry from the inside out so I would love to hear you know since you’re on that path where what was some of your early initiations and trainings and what were you reading about will you I know you were mentioning that you had studied in spiritual modalities in the East so could you talk a bit about that definitely how you evolved before you got to this point of being a professional Gigolo from about the age of 15 I was Hardcore into hacking so being a hacker is computer hacker is my background and you know when I first met my agent and Garren James and sort of took this on as a part-time gig that I certainly didn’t think would go anywhere but just thought it might be cool adventure I was software developer and even throughout the first couple seasons of the show I was still doing software development and I still do software development now I’ve been working on a actually a blockchain project as recently as a few hours ago so the hacking aspect is still a huge huge part of my life and what are the what are the things about being in the mid-nineties about being a young guy in the early days of the internet was that there was such a high percentage of what I would say a spiritual or occult esoteric information online I mean this was a time when you know there was no Google when I first started getting onto the the web there was just Yahoo and as I recall the first time I type sex in to Yahoo the word sex it return 27 entries so that tells you just how early on early on I was in that sphere but what there was a lot of is if you type in Magic if you typed in Hindu if you type in God if you typed in touch with there was there was quite a bit of information and so early on I got very interested in sort of spiritual finding out these more esoteric and occult to some degree spiritual practices so I found stuff about meditation and I learned that an astral projection and I started to get pretty good at being able to lucid dream and help myself leave my body and so these were things that in my teens I felt very very comfortable and then when I went off to college in DC or Washington DC is a very Multicultural town this is again in like in the late in the late nineties Multicultural town and so I was seeking things out it was in that time that I started learning more about the sexual side of Tantra and at least reading about it I got a tuned to several levels as a Reiki practitioner something that I probably should have kept up over the years but I was I think I was maybe a little too young to really appreciate everything that that practice had to offer it was very for me at that point it was very very intellectual and I didn’t have a big Community when I when I left College of one of the first gigs that I took was as an assistant to a Indian by ethnicity a businessman from Hong Kong and his his wife’s mother was the first female devotee of Tantra Guru India’s traditional when I say x Rod not talking about tantric sex necessarily I’m talking about Tantra as the sort of sect of Hinduism or the reception of Hinduism which means the flight path of bliss and so there were dada’s and DD’s the the monks and Priests of this organization moving sort of in and out around this guy who was a big benefactor for the organization who was my boss and early business mentor of mine so I had a very interesting experience this is when I’m basically like 19 and 20 years old got initiated into Ananda Marga got a chance at majorly study the work of PR sarkar he’s he’s really kind of a unique figure in India that a lot of people don’t know about was actually in prison by Indira Gandhi first several years it was on a hunger strike for extended periods of time so it very very interesting spiritual organization and I got a chance to sort of have my mind flips and two get a different metaphor for interpreting the world while at the same time learning to do business in a very ethical way influenced by this this teacher and disorganization and these these teaching and so that influence my that influence my life greatly and then as I move forward it just left me much more open to to learning and different experiences and it was just a few years after that that I discovered the pickup artist community in Los Angeles and I just drove in head-first but I don’t live in with a very spiritual bent to it and the idea was for me very much cuz I have seen the relationships that I was having as not being very healthy and so it was for me to figure out what is it underneath all of this who do I need to be how do I need to a manifest the best aspect of me so that I am someone that truly a woman being around that I truly make her a better person and that she makes me a better person and what can I do and that set me on a years-long path of exploration and it was really at the end of that path or sort of you might say at the beginning of that path after after I had trained it is sufficient level that low and behold Here Comes this opportunity to see if the market will actually Bear out the things that I held to be true wow almost speechless but actually I have a lot to say to you have a lot of questions cuz if you have if you have a hacker background you probably have a very keen sense of how Tantra is a spiritual technology that’s a lot like electrical engineering so do you want to talk about then whatever extent you know you like how the these elements of the chakra system and activating Kundalini and understanding car make loops and dharmic spiritual purpose send these sort of things are all woven together in the loom of tantric practice how did your Western sort of rational scientific computer programming mind jive with that ancient spiritual technology sort of scriptural a script and scripture if you put the battery in series seven or so yeah just rif on that if you would Wilshire I mean as I said I think in this regard I was very lucky in that like I said being a hacker and being exposed to sort of hidden information and knowing things certainly when I was hacking understanding things about the world and seeing things just in terms of the technology first is understanding how to you know have to pay phone or do all of these different things that that we’re basically manipulating these every day that we think are static things beginning to see that there is a certain dynamism in even the most static thing that was always in school biology and Physiology and psychology were always my favorite subject I was lucky to have really really great teachers and the one thing that kept sticking out to me is that there is always a deeper level there is always a deeper level and so I think when I first discovered and I was probably about 15 16 first discovered practices of lucid dreaming and astral projection it was in those that I that I was first even before being initiated it into a tie into a tantric organization that that’s what I was first exposed to the idea that okay there is an energy system that is at play in our body and at that same time it was it’s not just I mean it’s a metaphor right so if we’re talking about the chakra system if we’re talking about Kundalini these are words but they aren’t description and this is a very important thing that concept that scary through for me in my own life These are descriptions they are they are not and their descriptions of something that is very hard to describe in words because it’s Concepts that are beyond words but they are not the only places where the same thing has been described so for instance you’ve got in in the ancient Jewish tradition in the Kabbalah you’ve got the merkabah and the spirit body and the tree of life and if you lay the the drawings of the ancient Jewish which is Western Mystics again the drawings of the chakra system of the mer-ka-ba of the Tree of Life against the chakra system and you don’t mind by Journeys with Ayahuasca now that’s been just in the past four or five years here we have the Amazon and you know there’s know anybody who’s done Ayahuasca there’s no question that you’re talking about this snake you know what time it’s a Vine and it’s the snake so it’s to say that these metaphors these descriptions of something that is definitely inherent in human nature and that is a technology for increasing our our perception of the world and also increasing our ability to manifest the things that we want in the world through getting better in line with all of these things these metaphors are repeated over and over and over in every culture now it just so happens that the Indian culture is has been surviving Unbroken these metaphors have been surviving and have been worked on for longer out in the open than any other so that’s why it’s the strongest however as a Westerner it’s I found that it’s not necessary at as particularly as a Westerner it’s not necessarily that that metaphor is going to be the one that resonates the strongest with you because there are other metaphors out there but again they’re describing the same thing all of the practices if they if they’re legitimate and if they they’re time-tested they’re all going to take you to basically the same place which is getting back in getting your mind body soul back in tune with one another so that you can manifest what you want in the world so you can get back in tune with the greater vibration of of the world and that spirituality right on that so now I’m actually I’m getting chills because I feel like the empowerment aspect of mastering and turn your internal mastering your internal thoughts KP remind stream your energy and tapping into these ambient energies and really harnessing them and directing them and like you said you know you could choose any system and do the composite and you’ll see how they line up and it’s a universal spiritual technology so what I am so thrilled about another dimension if you’re being that you’re bringing showing up with in the world is the the political aspects and I got to tell you man I came from a and anarchists background you know as the street protester anarcho-punk black black going off the streets and we were all totally post Marxist materialistic totally atheistic rationalist sight of so it’s like the baby out with the holy water missing out on how much spiritual power we could have had an especially the types of bickering that happened in activist organizations that have no perception of the consequences the karmic consequences of just just unnecessary emotional verbal violence within groups and not having ritual purification not having the kind of solidarity that comes from chanting together if you know what I mean you probably get that in a lot of people don’t and they’re in the system their masters of black tan chair that’s why you have eyes wide shut and the swastika the Third Reich they Master Township but we’ve lost it the people of us it’s so you know how do you drive with spiritual sort of anarchism and in autonomy and anti Sora tarianism from you know from having that background it is my spirituality that influences my anarchism so you know I I came from a definitely left I would say not full blast Marxist but definitely leaning on to the Socialist side in my youth I think that’s I think that’s fair for someone with high trait openness that I think as you see pretty much go towards collectivism before you know what’s good for you or what’s bad for you you know I was heavily involved in the green party anti-war protester for sure Big Time involved in that and that was in you know that the early 2000s huge part of my life but then I realize that and and this is what informs me now you know I say I’m in I’m an anarchist, voluntaryist what I what I believe is that the use of coercive Force someone to do something anything it doesn’t matter what it is is it is not the ethical or moral passants and really all of our sages that’s been the rule right that’s the Golden Rule do unto others as you would have done unto you like that’s the rule so if you don’t want somebody telling you what to do or using violent Force to tell you what to do if you don’t want somebody else stopping you from speaking if you don’t want somebody else shutting down your your mode of being if you’re not hurting someone else then don’t then don’t do that to others and so when does the State the definition of the state is a group of individuals who claimed a monopoly on violent course of what’s the geographic area which to me is immoral and so that’s that’s where my eyes it’s not political write this for me it’s not it’s not a political stand for me it’s an ethical and moral stand yes it looks like politics but I know I don’t take a left side or right side or either one of that either one of those in terms of how I think somebody else should live their life live your life as you choose so long as you’re not hurting other people which is that goes to the black Tantra side you know and that’s where the problem is you know what what I would hope to do what I would like to do and what I feel is my mission to do because I feel like I have gained a lot from the knowledge that I have is that if anyone else wants to share in that knowledge I would love to share it it almost feels like a waste if I don’t so that’s you know and serve the meat coming out of the closet as it were cuz usually most people say that a religion and politics are the third rail of the the escort industry right it’s the one thing you’re never supposed to talk about when you’re out on a date and I really you know Anna and for the most part I don’t but I do have some longtime regular clients who they very much like discussing these things with me and when you have a deep relationship with someone of course these are deep issues right it’s not necessarily something for a first date for anybody but I I get a good sense for people very quickly as if I’m going to drive with them and even if they don’t know much about my politics from seeing me on TV and and I think just put on my general by they get that I’m kind of a laissez-faire Live and Let Live peace and love type of guy and so long as they’re like that it usually over time it’ll end up there we’ll talk about these topics that is so cool yes sir that I thank you for all of that coverage there I think that really sums it up and now you know what is listening to you to your podcast earlier today and was kind of I would like my biggest question was how is he subverting with this undercover Insider job but he’s got to be hacking mines in ethical way just you know helping offer you don’t you want to install some new plug-ins in your Paradigm well as you would know from all your training I mean erotic energy is the ultimate educational ad for Jeezy acts so you’re able to unite erotic hypnotic suggestion you know helping people get through their emotional issues but also opening their their Consciousness to new ideas and learning I mean you’ve got to be just all over the map with that stuff so now we can get into that hacking the sex industry bit where you really are a deep-cover double O7 I left yeah how do you how have you been able to subtly and maybe not so subtly Express that I haven’t seen all the episodes but now I’m going to be glued to it so certainly among the men that I’ve I’ve met the Strait of the straight male escorts I think that I’m a bit of an anomaly there’s not that many of us for the most part the guys get into this now they’re there are a few others who and particularly my one of the costars on my shows also in the works for the same agency Ash Armand has a very strong background in eastern practices and if he’s actually born in India said he’s half Indian raised in Japan a study Tantra quite a bit although I think his for me this is this is what I’ll say this is the first thing that I’ll say is I don’t so much approach I approach what I do as a healing modality but I definitely don’t approach it with a framework that someone might approach if they said oh I’m a tantric sex worker or I’m a tantric this or they said I you know I am a massage I’m a lightworker I do body work I do all of these things I don’t necessarily approach it in that way because for me what the experience and what I’m approaching is what’s the sexual experience is the metaphor I’m approaching it from that that contract metaphor it’s that yes there are these specific practices there are specific says that you can do but we have to understand is that these are derived from a much larger and older esoteric tradition that really like a ritual like chanting as you described like real all of these things are symbol they’re not signs in other words it’s not a prescription for a follow this direction ABCDEFG and you will arrive at something I think anybody who tries to do things that way is going to come off sorely disappointed what these are is they are at and they are a symbol of natural patterns of behavior and actions that allow us to create connections between one another and connections within ourselves so that is to say for instance if you’re talking about meditation and you’re talking about Asia Kundalini meditation you know what the chakras are again you can draw them you know the end people have do depictions of them in various different colors but yes this this is in the imagination this is a spiritual system that’s beyond that so the way that I approach it is what are really going for as I’m going for a connection connection with this person on and I’ll use the metaphor of on a heart chakra level to where we steadily over the time that I’m with them this is what I’m trying to pursue and it’s a practice that I’ve done for so long that I’m not even trying to pursue it anymore it’s just something that I do it’s almost muscle memory if you will like what Bruce Lee said about you become the technique you doing longer think about it it’s just what you are so so what I’m trying to do is to make a truly deep connection and what has to happen in order for that connection to happen is first I have to be open I have to spend a lot I have to do a lot of work within myself to make sure that I don’t have blockages that prevent me from being completely open to share myself that’s the first thing and I think that’s one thing that sometimes adhering to a particular set of I’m going to do this this this this this sometimes you get locked behind that and now you’re not open cuz you’re worried over am I following the directions when the directions were are just a metaphor anyway right the various steps is just a metaphor so what I’m trying to do is I’m trying to open up and then in me opening up its steadily and surely as noticing their blockages in opening those blockages up and then noticing the next in opening that up and it’s funny because as I’ve had conversations with the Ayahuasca shamans that I’ve worked for they said that this is your Shaman this is the same thing that we’re do it and at end this is the role of a shaman the role of a shaman is to embody that open spirituality to leave your ego behind completely at the door and then the individual or individuals or groups that you’re working with your whole job is there is a block let’s take it away and that may be in the form of the conversation that lady digging in I mean it’s it’s part psychoanalysis and then you know it’s part body work it’s all of these things combined and so I have my own system I don’t think that’s something that I could teach but it’s something that certainly works and when interesting thing that is that my clients have consistently consistently use the same term in that is like this is like a drug this experience being around you you are like a drug they will tell me because you get that Euphoria like it’s a real shot like you’re getting a real shot of these actual euphoric hormones that goes through when we are in line the same way that we get with all of our chakras are open and so like I said like I said in the beginning this is just one practice and I’ve met many women in the industry as well who approached it in the same way and have their own sort of metaphor for describing it but it is a healing modality I mean when your open we have so much negativity around sex in our culture and you know people people who we have an obesity epidemic and you know the cure for having eating bad food and what bad people do this to eat good food and we really have a bad sexualitt toxic sexuality issue in our society and we are Society create has created it for hundreds of years Western society and the way to get away from toxic sexuality is she got it there’s got to be good sexuality to take the place of it and there’s just not enough of that but I think that if people will put aside some of the some of the stigma associated with escort work they would see very very quickly that there are a lot of escorts out there that do look at it as a healing modality exactly having a lot of feels like there’s a many more female tantricas off and going by the term ducky knees or the nurse mail. Goes but there’s far less male sexual healing service providers then there are females generally because there’s a huge market for a glorified rub and tug and people who are not necessarily fully initiated into some Growers lineage they can go to a weekend workshop and then actually bring some of that that chakra loving goodness into their practice that’s great you know this is all pushing forward or dissolving the sex phobia can naked sex negative culture that really made Las Vegas what it is I mean that you’re there in fact I was living there and I was doing a pretty kind of deep-cover operation spiritual love life coaching Tantra makeover on a woman there with a woman there and she kind of adopted me into her queendom in and it was I wouldn’t I guess I don’t know how I feel about the word Gigolo in general but I like the terms that you’re using around just being a guy if you know you’re being an erotic guide and you’re bringing in so much fresh Prana into a person’s ecosystem energetically that they can blow off diseases they can blow out neuroses and they can start to experience themselves in a new way and I’m just so pleased to know that this is happening at the end of all places the city of sin this is the most Angelic salvation that there’s ever been a concept that I was trying to I have been initiated into the lineage of of a tantra Guru I have met in in doing this so many in particular women who would have no clue of you know of anything about the any jargon certainly of tatra but who are doing this work and that is to say that this is a universal practice and someone who’s opening up your spirit can show you the way to it yes a guru can take you there quicker but we have to understand that there were there were first people who figured this out of the the the Indians who use Ayahuasca say that the plants showed them so nature itself is there to teach you and there are women in particular who go into this practice and this line of work whose hearts and intentions are pure who are healers by Nature because they’re are people who are healers by nature and therefore who take to take this practice and do the same things that I do with me having been educated with me having my background and they do it as well if not better I mean it’s the same thing as you can go to Juilliard and be trained as a musician your whole life or you can learn to play by ear and be an amazing musician or dancer or wider or Surfer or anything and so what I’m saying is that it is wonderful to be initiated into a lineage that the true power is to say I am a Healer if you are what if you if that is what you if that is who you feel to your core you’re honest with yourself is to say I am a Healer this is the path that feels right and when you start walking down that path you will you will turn into that great healer overtime if you allow yourself absolutely and then not to mention a lot of people have spent multiple lifetimes and probably actually projected themselves into the areas of greatest need sort of Astral triage you know it’s very cool yeah I see people just out of the box they’re already connected they’ve got all the cities I mean the cities are the tantric superpowers that archetypal superheroes are made out of really in pain Au some people just are born with them and not to say that they didn’t work on that for multiple lifetimes and yeah this is so fascinating so if I could I guess if I could ask you you know to talk more about the friction you might have had I know you said you kind of felt so I don’t know exact words you use but just your ability to express your esoteric wisdom and your political philosophies worst have been sort of had to bite your lip in a way to be I don’t know if it’s by contract or just because you’re dealing with other chefs in the kitchen with the editing process but I’m just wondering where did you have to negotiate that was there ever a time when I said hey man no way we’re not letting people know that they can do this stuff on a mass scale you will not do that and we decided part of my learning if there’s one thing that I am at this point it’s pretty socially Adept right like that’s that’s what I do my job is to make people comfortable first and foremost my my clients they this is a strange man and it’s a woman and here comes the strain man clearly usually generally much larger and stronger than she is right and she’s going to be alone with me I’ve got to make her feel comfortable and not and you know if I start out with if it’s a 2-hour appointment which is my my minimum and that’s kind of an intro you know I want her to be so comfortable that she’s like hey you want to go away for a weekend together alone and so making people comfortable and understanding that I need to be where people are at and a reality TV show is not a place for the conversation that you and I are having write a reality TV show called Gigolos now it’s a place to start introducing when it can happen little inklings right just just like I didn’t have the Converses did conversation we’re having I didn’t have that on Jack spearco show but it was a place to introduce a little bit and then introducing that little bit you and I end up meeting and so there’s a there’s a it’s understanding that while we maybe these these Giants spiritual entities and just ready to sort all of that energy and power and heat off of us at any minute that sometimes that’s too hot for the moment right sometimes it’s about turning down the thermostat and making it a nice comfortable situation till everybody wants to stay in the room we don’t want to we don’t want to have none of it so it gets too cold that people leave but we don’t want to turn It Up full blast of that people like this is way beyond me and and the people who want it to get a little hotter so we’ll stick around a little longer and they’ll say hey man can you turn that thermostat up a little bit and then you turn it up but it’s about being patient is about being comfortable in your own skin it’s about enjoying your spirituality for the sake of your spirituality is yours right yes of course it belongs to everybody else but let them come to you and ask you for it because those are the people who cannot appreciate it in the first place when we get it Ray yeah you know any of the word is the quintessential the word transmutation I mean you’re taking the energy and you’re finding it’s very Jedi it’s very ninja yeah it’s so you know the subtleties and the symbolism in in nuances when I was in Vegas I felt it the ability to transmute Vegas sexual energy into spiritual energy it really could be absolutely despite the even being called Sin City it’s actually the place where women have make more money than men wear a jacket if it’s a financial matriarchy the men are showing up to worship the goddess which is very tired and almost the only thing that I would change is maybe to tune the frequency of the club music from 4:40 to 4:32 you know that’s one thing with would you be totally settled and no one would even know they would just feel better and start to heal magically and not know why it is an interesting City I mean it is a it is a city of polarity for sure and it is a city that Demands a great deal with discipline I mean it is a city for discipline that evolves people because if you have if you are unable and if you are undisciplined in terms of your own your own mind set and your own spirituality this city will destroy you and it will destroy you quickly it’s every Vice is available for you but for those people who are evolve and who have a great level of self-discipline I mean this allows you a great deal of freedom and it’s a very non-judgmental City but you figure it really has right cuz it survives on making a a a fantasy experience for people who come from every country and speak every language and have every political persuasion and every background I mean when you think about what the type of environment that you have to create to create a comfortable space for literally everyone then the ability to operate within that space so long as you don’t get caught up in the things that are bent to to empty the wallets of those people when they get comfortable so long so long as you are are disciplined in that regard I mean as you say the energy level here is just it’s on it’s unbelievable and it it can very well be transmuted into incredibly positive and Incredibly healing energy and it has for me and I probably won’t leave I mean I’ll probably be here for the rest of my life well well I’m not no actually while I was there I was surprised to find out that there is a very strong permaculture Community there and there’s some really amazing sights and there’s a meetup group and you would be shocked that mean is also a lot of people you know there’s just so many kind of new age is kind of new age has been demonized away but there’s a lot of spiritual so-called spiritual people coming out of the woodwork there’s Tantra instructors that have very strict kind of more of the yoga lineage I guess you could say but I know some yoga instructors out there and any other people would just assume that it’s the most degrading and most sort of spiritually bankrupt City but actually it’s very wealthy spiritually in a lot of ways about in terms of an a in terms of there’s about a million people in this Valley right but the number of working artists and Singers answers I mean you’ve got what eight or nine Cirque du Soleil shows here I mean there’s live singers who make their living singing in this town by the thousands dancers I mean there’s probably more professional dancers in this town per capita certainly than there is in a place like New York which has Broadway right and so all of those people and then you have all the ancillary things around them so there are dance schools and music schools there’s I mean The Burning Man Community hear the community of people who are hardcore burner is huge I mean all of you go through downtown there’s beautiful murals all over the walls and then you think about you know all of the people who are at these hotels who are doing these gigantic floor all Arrangements in who are changing interior designers and decorators and all of its an artist ladentown and so all of this you know artists are naturally attracted to expanding their spirituality because as you say it’s that Prada that provides the fuel for their Artistic Endeavors so yes this that that is a need that here and so you have this community of people who who has just a part of their life who needs to be constantly engaged in spiritual practice so unlike many something that you wouldn’t think about because it’s it’s not when you come here as a tourist it’s not what you see on the outside but when you stop and think about how many different types of people and what the types of people are that it takes to make that fantasy happen and the Artistry that’s involved in the number of people who are in that artistic Pursuit then it starts to really make a lot of sense of why they just would have that energy right on man we’re definitely speaking a lot of the same language so so tell me what is on the horizon for you mean it sounds like you’re you’re moving beyond that the series and you’re sticking to your guns with the programming that’s really exciting cuz I can only imagine what kind of apps you could be developing you looking forward to as you progress into the you know the next chapters television show we broadcast on YouTube and Twitter and Periscope and Facebook that’s at the dinner money shows that been armani.com so that’s getting more into like the the political sphere of working on a book philosophy book I read a book called out of the gigolo several years ago when I was first got into the industry sort of discussing My Philosophy a lot of things that we’ve discussed today classified ads how I approach the work that I do in that vein but now is I’ve got to sort of more into the the libertarian thinking and boobs and more into that scene in terms of trying to push sort of on a broader scale afford voluntaryism anarchism libertarianism in general I’m so now I’m working on a book about basically the philosophy of self ownership that should be out in a couple of months yeah programming that’s something that will that will never leave at SCI I’ve been a DJ for many years and I had a I had opened the venue hear an art gallery in music venue Hearing in downtown Las Vegas that I recently shut down so music has been out of my life but I kind of feel it coming back in a little bit more of that sort of happens in waves for me so I’m starting to feel more inspired with the with music as well as it’s just I don’t know what song who the hell knows I’ve a few years ago I couldn’t have predicted any of the things that I’ve doing now so I mean what’s on the rising is I’m just going to keep walking down this path and expanding as much as I can and hopefully hopefully in the process of that and doing it a little bit in public that I’ll create some things about you that some other people can can take with them and move the whole journey forward right on well I got to say it mean it is so so shocking and exhilarating to me that the Serendipity of me discovering you of all people through the survival Podcast where you know I’m I consider myself one of the biggest personal fans of the survival Podcast and Jack spearco I mean it’s just so many people out there have lives have been so radically transformed it’s just a complete I just staggering astounding 184 a lot of people to get really on board with with the military mindset of you know really being procedural and having protocols and understanding threats and so many things that spiritual people are so fucking full of shit in their ass and their head is both in the class selector they cannot defend themselves they can’t probably feed themselves some of them may be doing gardening but I mean the synthesis it’s the material Mastery that so many spiritual esoteric people check out of and then they become spineless jellyfish worms that are have to be defended by the people who who they’ve who derided for so long it’s a synthesis is bringing together and I Know Jack is very spiritually Advanced and only just drops little nuggets your friends are probably too just like you’re saying he doesn’t want to blow people’s minds powerful because you know the if the Practical tactical guns to Gardens Mild to Wild kind of that whole if if you know the spiritual people can integrate that and are you bringing if you were able to bring all the stuff together in and really role model a new masculine Paradigm where men are trained skilled lovers and Fighters that’s kind of my I’m putting my chips so to speak you know is the guys the brothers who are you know pushing those boundaries in and weaving all together so well I mean I will say I mean is that is one advantage that I think certainly Eastern spirituality has in the regard of I mean like if we go back to The Vedic literature and we’re talking about the varnas you know so you’ve got your four varna’s of your shoe dresser be present to shatri is a zebras or or or brahmas and fascist that it’s this idea that yes we need the labor the The Thinker the the merchant and the warrior and that these sort of manifest within all of us in different degrees and it’s not that one is better than the other that’s what we miss in Western culture I think a lot is that look in order for society to function correctly we need a balance of all of these energies so it’s like yes that and it’s something that if we truly want to grow if we truly want to expand our Consciousness is expanding our Consciousness is not into the places that we feel comfortable no no it’s expanding our into the places that we feel least comfortable because those are the places where the most gross will happen and the gross will be instant when we confront it and so it’s about because if we want to become a whole person then we need to be the warrior and the priest and the labor and the the merchant as well we need to be all of those things and I think Jack and body that very very well and I think that that’s what you’re that’s fundamentally what what we’re getting at here is that look there’s a lot of think those things that you’re looking at that you’re saying oh I don’t like that I don’t like that that Warrior aspect will that’s your jungian Shadow right there that’s exactly what you need to start exploring why don’t you like it embrace it as a part of you it’s inside of you go after it figure it out and tame it right on man right on well yeah we got a few minutes left do you want to talk about obviously your websites and any last words and then I’ll see if I can take a few breaths you might you might call them purple breaths I don’t know if she take to get to come to my senses now and now I’m kind of StarStruck but I got to think of his anything I want to close with your final questions but while I do that if you can kind of give your your URLs and like all that good stuff live on social media so if you if you have any questions or you want to hit me up its on Twitter I’m just been Armani no spaces and on Facebook saved facebook.com been Armani and Instagram I’m actually been under store Armani but if you if you have questions or you or comments I am I’m there I will answer so I think that’s I think that’s all of them cool and all right well I think I was coming to me is my last question or let’s I think we’ve I think the the culturally we’re pretty well whether you watch Taxi Driver what if there’s did the mail angst of sexual deprivation from access that creates child molesters rapist and John’s and porn addicts you know and Priests who do all those things in my about it and pretend that they’re not involved in some sort of Shadow sexuality and we have a long way to go to actually solve and heal the wounded masculine and to end the duck how many females are the ones who are coming in doctoring the chakras of the men who are you know where they have small penises or their service are typically not attractive or they have some paraphilia or fetish and then the Doms come in but there’s a there’s a big industry for male sexual Shadow workers you know to come in and and doctor them in Shamanism and you’re representing a very different or a very assertive under-represented demographic of the male sexual shadow dancer lightworkers but say and I’m just curious so the question would be since we know we have a good we know that men are sexually pretty fucked and need a lot of help you know but women are as well because they’re not being well fucked by men for certainly their husbands and what advice do you have two women who may make the maybe they’ve got the budget to take a trip to Vegas and now they’re not just going to go to the you know go get wasted and you know kind of just put money in somebody’s mule leopard g-string or whatever it is that they do to kind of have a superficial taste of that but you’re providing Divine sacred masculine healing services in the belly of the Beast and you’ve got to have some insight so for the women who were listening this who were like wow I didn’t know that this Paradigm even existed you know what he would have eyes do you have for the the wounded feminine and what what can how can you Enlighten us to say you know what we really need to be more compassionate for what women are going through we need men to learn how to retain their semen in master multiple orgasms so they can go further with their beloveds and you know just some advice for to honor the feminine here you know before we close out but I will say that that this is this is the I will give this is actually advice for for both sexes because it it truly is the same but it is the manifestation of the divine feminine is that what you have to ask yourself do you want to remain as you are or do you want to grow do you want to become someone new and someone that you can be proud of and grow in your spirituality or do you want to massage your ego so that you can fool yourself into believing that you are already everything that you could possibly be because that’s the second one that massaging of the ego if that’s what you’re after then what you’re going with if that’s your true intent then what you’re going to pursue is you’re fundamentally going to pursue control that doesn’t necessarily mean that you are going to pursue dominance you may very well pursue being submissive but it’s being submissive under your control under your terms whereas if you want to grow if you want to grow spiritually this isn’t any spiritual practice and and that control that is that is masculine energy and its toxic masculinity to control if you really want to grow in your spirituality and I think it’s the place that our culture is lacking we have plenty of that push for control in our culture plenty of it where we’re lacking is in is is basically in surrender that you’ve got to say look I’m willing to put myself in a situation that is going to help me grow and I’m willing to surrender to that situation now what you’re able to do beforehand if you’re able to figure out where what that situation is you don’t want to just put yourself into any Old Situation you want to be informed about what’s going to happen but then you’ve got to be willing to surrender to it and no matter what the spiritual practice is whether it’s you know whether it’s finding you know a lightworker to work on you it’s not going to be on your terms it’s not going to be on your terms and if they’re good it’s not happening on their terms either it’s happening on the terms of the truth of that interaction so whether that’s you know you’re doing Ayahuasca ceremonies or or other shamanic a plant medicine practices weather that’s Bodywork whether that’s music whether that’s you know you’re expressing yourself artistically you’re going to have to surrender and it’s in that surrender that the growth happen and so that’s what’s missing is that it’s it’s not unmasculine to surrender to an experience that is going to help you grow as a matter of fact that is the most Brave and the most courageous thing you’ll ever do in your life you jump into the mouth of Kundalini Shakti goddess in you were going to be ya to take him places that to require a lot of courage and absolutely man well that’s that’s beautiful and I like the way you tied it together you know beyond gender we’re just talking about the polarities of archetypal energies and you got to you got to be a master of both Shiva Shakti so right on man will thank you so much I just feel totally and enliven and enrich stand Enlighten after this and the world I’m going to probably get a few more hours of sleep at night knowing that you’re already light years ahead of where I thought things were going okay you know I really want to thank you for for reaching out and for allowing me to have this conversation as you could imagine as I enter you should be aware that there are not a lot of forums and not a lot of people who are prepared to have a conversation on this level so I appreciate the work that you’re doing it’s it’s it’s Unique in its needed and and thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself absolutely I’m sure our paths will cross somewhere out here yeah we will be in touch very much all right bye-bye you care if I buy thank you for listening to the podcast please go to www.crunch.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Thomas Day

Sustainable Sexual Liberation with Francesca Gentille TPP24

Play

tp-francesca-gentilleFrancesca Gentille is the co-author of “The Marriage of Sex & Spirit,” the radio host of “Sex: Tantra & Kama Sutra”, and the Director of The Integrative Arts Institute.  She is a sex and intimacy counselor who presents internationally on the use of Sacred Eros and Sacred BDSM in recovery from trauma.

In this episode we discuss sacred sexuality’s past, present, and future by drawing upon anthropological data, our personal life experiences, and Francesca’s  wealth of knowledge and wisdom from years of amazing work in the field. She share’s her tantra life history of personal growth and development, then we explore many issues that are close to our hearts and minds. Ultimately she bestows as sense of great hope for sustainable sexual liberation, including the interpersonal and professional domains of sexuality.

Connect with her online:

 

AI Generated Transcription:
(Want to help with corrections? Please contact me to learn about rewards for your efforts!)

Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin I want to thank you French biscuit in PA for joining me for episode number 24 of the township hunt podcast it’s a great honor to have you here as listen to all of your podcasts and follows your work and I’m just really excited and honored to be speaking with you so if you could give us some background on your sort of Contra life history and about what you’re up to these days I will take you so much bad for you including me in this and giving me an opportunity to share because I think that is a desire to make a difference and to do that we really need people like you who helped us get our message in our calling out to the world and Catholics in Wisconsin and there were those negative and conflicting messages about the body about sexuality about being a woman and if it’s meant is that I was only supposed to have sex once I was married that sex outside of marriage was a sin that in order to be thought of as a respect for a good woman I could always say no about sex and I should be very wary of anyone who wanted hit maybe even put their arm around your kiss me and I should also look at my body as a source of Temptation you know that my body could lead me astray and being raised with these kind of messages I became really terrified of sex and when I was he know dating age if a man with the very young somewhere around 1415 that if I kept going like this I would end up being frigid by the time that I’m married I would have been so patterned in my brain and in my responses around fear and sexuality that I wouldn’t be able to enjoy sexuality and so I began to start a process that I would later discover in Psychology is called successive approximation where I would hold in my mind that you have to be waking and sleeping. with Matt then I also was very very careful who I chose to date and partner with so that I have always chosen men really honored my pacing in the sexuality and if I want to go very very slow if I want to spend months or years kissing we’re just talking and I choose honor that and so I had the opportunity to incompetence lay next to a boyfriend naked without having sex just to become comfortable with the naked male by and I also was with someone from 14-223 that we really started out as friends and your friends three years friends eventually I absolutely loved him heart Body Mind and Spirit it was true very deep very sincere love not a crush and we eventually became lovers and had a very beautiful and vibrant and sweet sex life but it’s 23 he came out as gay which was profoundly shattering for me at that time and we’ll just started I think a deeper drive and curiosity how do they come together how do they make their choices is it are we gay or straight are we at 10 years later when we got together for a dinner I said you know how did it work that you identify as gay but we had this really virutex left and then I’ve had more sexual dysfunction issues with the men who might consider themselves heterosexual and he couldn’t that we had become so close you know a mental alignment the spiritual alignment alignment that we have become so close that there was a way to get my gender no longer mattered and the love they felt for me inspired ignited his erotic nature so his love for me was actually LED and his arousal for me was led by not his cock but by his heart never said a certain tone or even a certain standard for my sexuality that I would later years and years later cuz I didn’t really start studying until more probably my early forties that I would find out years later was there a contract that instead of leading with r instinctual neurobiological you know you smell like food let’s fuck you know rather than leading with that we learn to slow down we learn to be conscious of our breathing conscious of our responses your am I attractive am I judging you positively or negatively am I male or female arousal whether that’s 4 hours or whether that’s for a lifetime and that by having this experience in my you know 14-223 in a way it is started a pattern that would make a lot of sense when I got to Tantra is the sense of leading with the heart and letting the heart in form the rest of us rather than leading guess what are Primal nature another thing that I did start in my late twenties and early thirties started to study cross-cultural sacred sexuality so before I studied I was actually studying kind of sacred sexuality that was in that so for me personally although I will sometimes say I’m a I’m a tantra teacher because that’s easy to speak out of my mouth do you know Center teacher I really perceive myself to be a teacher and a coach that died around cross-cultural sacred arrows not just Eastern or Asian and I believe that sacred sexuality is our Birthright that it is interwoven into every single lineage of History whether we’re Jewish weather where you know of some sort of you know Arabic Middle Eastern it whether we’re European weather were African whether we’re Asian that no matter what our culture in which Mayan whatever our culture if we go back far enough we can see the anthropological shards of sacred sexuality in our tradition and I like knowing that I like researching that so that we don’t necessarily have to leave our Our Idiot I don’t have to stay at the stop being awesome beautiful awesome let’s do that but if we have to leave we don’t have to leave Christianity we don’t have to leave Judas and we don’t have to leave this why we don’t have to leave whatever tradition were part of to embrace sacred sexuality and so for me that’s very important one of the other things that I feel is very important for our listeners to know is there such a confusion between in the West End in the United States any kind of first world contemporary culture which I grew up with and feels kind of confused about how to relate to their body how to relate to the planet when we start to study in a western culture we had a tendency to focus on the body and sexuality but that. There really is a spiritual path and the goal is not a great sex life is actually the unconditional and compassionate acceptance of all that is it’s a spiritual path and just as it has a do you know who that the blissed-out recorder is not about having a great sex life this is about being incredibly compassionate human being and important people to know now look at my life compassion make a difference make a difference it make a difference if I could be compassionate about my body would it make a difference if I could be compassion about your body or about our sexuality and are our differences if I could hold this really deep compassion would that make a difference in our sex life it would absolutely so we’re now looking at something very different then you know what kind of positions can we do or what kind of position they’re breathing breathing tactics can we do to have a better sex life for a longer orgasm so the Kamasutra literally means the teachings, love to trace the teachings of the teachings about love and it was really like it was and is a spiritual path so such a nerd versus spiritual path and so I think you’re getting one we talked about Francesca’s what is Francesca’s history is it is very deeply personal experience that started a particular path and this very curious inquiring mind wanted to research cross-culturally and explore cross-cultural and still does and sit when I look at you know what am I teaching about sacred sexuality I look at everything from neurobiology psychology energy work Shamanism and teacher is teaching you their own jambalaya you know their own mixture of these little bits of what might be called classical control and lots of everything else that they know and so if you’re going to a tantra teacher it’s I feel it’s really important to ask them like you’re doing what is your background why did you choose this what do you think Nicole is what are your classes like and some country. Medic on her teacher’s sexual perspective and they have a strong bias toward polyamory and polyamory we intimate intimate ways but if you’re trying to go to class to improve your sex partner going to that Public House might actually disrupt your relationship even more so it’s important to know cuz it’s kind of like weirdest Entre come from in our country and what are might you be walking into and what do you need to ask I was starting to rain in Punta I recognized it as a sex and love addict and there was a way that I was approaching my relationship with men that was about getting my 6 and I didn’t know this because because I need to have lots of sex about two different people I wasn’t you know having sex with strangers and whiskey but what happened I had a boyfriend that broke up with me in the middle of my ARCA falling in love and usually you know as many human beings hear you fall in love in those first few weeks or months you if you stay up all night if you’re completely like you’re everything you can make love morning because that guy is actually not about the other person it’s about our own chemical dump in our body going off because something in that person that is triggered and when the drugs are stopping me it’s some it’s starting to look like you don’t touch me the way you used to do you treat me the way you used to it starts to look like the other person is prop and then after whether it’s after three months or 6 months or 9 months or two years whatever that was my power and then I would immediately fall in love with the next person so I can have that wonderful experience You’re My Favorite Drug high is a combination of love and lust just lust just love but if you put love and lust together you know that’s my heroin and so when he broke up with me in the middle of this Arc I couldn’t I couldn’t sleep I was just shaking this FYI girl this is not grieving this is withdrawals you’re going to waste all there when I recognize that fact I put myself into 12 step program for sex and love addicts anonymous American Airlines and they’re all so connected and juicy with each other videos of letting themselves go into this place of merging and high I’m having to practice Friday it was kind of like learning to be sober while spending time in a bar and it was hard my God that was hard and so I would have to work and work on my energy back but not being merged and it was hard but it created such a strong muscle so that now if I do he let you know if I’m doing a lot of killing four people if I’m doing Sexual Healing around there, I can touch their genitals I could touch their body they could be in a state of arousal and I’m not I’m not I’m not you know I’m not going to fantasize about that I’m available to hold a clear space for their healing that’s not about me and what I found is many many many people who call themselves doctors in bikinis and contracts and Country cuz for whatever reason they haven’t so when they are in those healing Simon’s with another person they ask to get very attached they actually are there on issues over the other person and can actually start to give pressure to the other person to be sexual and I’ve heard that over and over and over and over where he’s starting to give pressure like if you have sex with my badge or if you know you let me put my hand up your whatever you and the woman is not her pacing which is actually for her offense seeking Clarity from women Clarity that they never got from their mother Clarity that they have never gotten from their girlfriend and now they’re hiring and then wanting a very clear message pathway where they’re negotiating clearly about boundaries and boundaries are being held in there for something healing about the polarity and so if a country girl. Kitty says you’re in the first session we’re just going to bring together third session where I don’t you know we may never get to the genitals we won’t get to the genitals until the 4th he can relax Clarity with this woman and then she said to get excited by him and then she throws the boundaries out the door we can just go to this we can skip the three sections and just go to this right now he actually filled one day because she’s just replicated the same wording about the other women were unclear interchangeable so I think you’re starting to get a sense of me and my life to is that I’m really really drawn to where is there, where is there, in the body in the south in our ability to feel like our body our sexuality are our life is safe for us to be in and really I’m drawn to ask how can I support people to come home to their bodies in their lives in a way to three safe for them and very authentic for them and that’s that’s the kind of you know if we use one definition of Contra is the weeds that Hunter has a weaving and another way of saying leaving his illness is that’s the kind of from her that I’m drawn to is how do I support each individual to come into their holness and of course of course yeah that’s in my journey to you know how do I come into my home this how do I embrace all that I am including my desires in my Primal and my reactive the including my compassion in my Divinity how do I bring all of it in a way that is loving for me but is not harmful for others because this is also an issue that comes up in a sex-positive community a lot is your freedom freedom we’ve been so shamed by the culture region so limited by the culture I personally believe it that’s an immature attitude and that the child is struggling for three of the teenagers struggling for its freedom but when were an adult we understand we have responsibilities and that my freedom has to be limited by where my actions affect others so I may want to I want to dance and I’m a wanted flitter my music really loudly and can I have colored lights and it’s not fun for them so I need to either turn down my music but I need my freedom is limited by the fact that desire is going to create a negative impact on another human being it is not okay it is not mature adult to say I need this because it’s kind of my freedom we get to stay around the house with my you know music is so I would like to do that but as a mature adult that I need to collaborate with you how is it that work will you be out of the house like to just think when I’m single maybe they’re looking for a dump for relationship and I’m just looking for something really fun so my freedom when I balance my freedom with responsibility my freedom and my desire for Freedom my desires will still guide me but my maturity will allow those desires to be expressed gracefully and responsibly you’re getting a little bit of my soapbox here is that Peter Peter Pan not allowing themselves to mature and do I want to love my body I want to look like I prove that every single desired vanity I have to approve it I want to create a pro but there’s a difference between loving myself so whatever comes up in my little mind and taking action on what I’m thinking I’m going to give you different examples I had a question just really hard wanted to work with and I was 20 or 21 at the time and I didn’t know about boundaries I didn’t know how to really express myself and I felt very powerless in that situation and I would go home and I didn’t know what to do with all that anger really that I had towards her and I came up with a really great idea that I was going to allow myself to fantasize about killing her did I ever harm her no no I never I never did anything for me to kind of this place some of my anger and not take it out on her I sign up for the confusion of a sex positive culture between what I would call a personal fantasy something that I’m going to keep in my mind in my mind and display some energy by having it. Maybe would be really lovely maybe I have a fantasy And my partner’s at the time and I ended up going to a very warm ocean and it was the perfect fantasy to bring into reality this is what I have in some but I’m not going to mention I don’t want them to be brought into another example is I have a fantasy about rafting me at sunset in a beautiful blue silk down get this like sailing into the bay at Sunset and the wind is blowing in his hair and come to the beach and no wake me up in his arms and take me on the road back to the back to the ship in my fantasy somehow he’s able I’m walking along the beach with my dress never gets wet he gets to the beach he puts me in the rowboat we go back to the ship where are the ship and I never get seasick and it in real life I actually get seasick very easily I never even though he’s being great he does not get ripped and it’s now folded neatly next to us even though my back is on the wooden plank of the. I do not get splinters in my fantasy it all works beautifully but I’m smart enough to know that if I try to do that in reality my dress would get ruined and I be kissed I get splinters and that would not make me happy and I probably get seasick the wisdom of of the Amazon and and Beyond and so is that something that you have I just thought I remember reading somewhere you know or talk to you at some point about how this is so like you could be hired by the more formal above ground and sectors of social work or Community work with where you can be brought in to bring some of the stuff that would normally be or I guess it’s just it’s a very interesting Cutting Edge of an intersection and I if I’m not mistaken that’s that you you are like sort of partially in that world 2 of of social work or is that something I understand correctly or social worker social worker y’all are layout string this conversation back and see where where I where I am placed social work as well as all the modalities of counseling and healing you know like they are all part and parcel to supporting and upholding status quo capitalist system so I’m going to like you know like you know also having been in the punk scene also had a big impact on my my party now thought you know in terms of healing these wounds we have to look at that you know we can’t we can’t say like that are healing is going to be independent of a world that is reeling and suffering from the continuation of this system as it is and so that’s where I for me like bringing capitalism into the equation is is something that’s real tricky it’s something that I feel needs to be kind of understood that you know we we can’t just rely on having sting services that we can pay for because that creates a gap you know where some people are going to have accessible abilities to to the healing and others won’t and that’s that’s not healthy for anyone and and also that it doesn’t address the root cause of why we need social workers to begin with and why we need counseling and all of that so I really like the notion of cultural healing that’s where more where I would be comfortable in any way kind of looking at myself as any kind of healer I don’t think we we can really heal individuals that’s really something that you know a person will need to and it’s not like they can be facilitated to do their own healing work but nobody can fix us we have to fix ourselves that’s that’s more I think a more powerful Paradigm to be apart of but you know I I I have worked in the realm I focused therapy and you know I have spent quite a bit of time around the spirit plant medicines and seeing how the plant medicines have assisted and I do I do continue continuously work to increase my knowledge and wisdom around working with us plants and and that also brings us back into that hole realm of discussion around you know ancestors and working with them or perhaps that’s something we haven’t really touched upon but maybe she said it’s just that in any form of healing that we do I guess for me the important thing that I really try to bring into whatever I do connecting back with her ancestors and healing the trauma of how we were disconnected from those ancestors and how that plays out in any kind of sexual wounds or emotional wounds that we carry and so that’s something that I I I feel like the role of initiation and ritual can can really do and that’s that’s been its Province ever since people began doing patrols I think it’s to build upon the legacy of their ancestors and to draw and their their help and support cool said that yeah thank you for helping me understand the other parameters a little better and and 100% there with you I have I have been because I live in the United States where there’s different laws around no prostitution in in how that affects the healing with sexual touch and pleasure as medicine and stuff like that is a lot more yes I understand in in Canada there’s there’s a lot more interesting legal space in order to do Hands-On Sexual Healing work relative to the US where it’s completely off limits in so I because of that adapting to that reality and also is a permaculture designer myself I have to think very deeply about how to navigate this issue of for-profit healing work that kind of in most sectors is about like you said I’ll put in my own words it’s like they want to know if if the if you’re at a time of time robot that supposed to be producing a set amount to be a productive member of the of the GDP then then if you’re not functioning properly than the the goal of the mainstream social work or psychotherapeutic or psychiatric Fields they’re trying to get you back into the rat race as soon as possible and they’ll do that with drugs with talk therapy or whatever that is about avoiding through tissue which is the disconnection from urethane from a healthy holistic wild habitat you know a night as a primitivist I see that you know the solution to your Neurosis is to retry belies and Get Growing your own food again in and rebuild that fabric so you know there with you on that tension about right livelihood in and taking money for healing and what is he doing so I really like what you said and that just is going to it’s going to help me a lot looking at healing the cultural level and healing the if I’m understanding right and I’ll put a couple my own words on it but I feel like we’re trying to build the scaffolding or were trying to design the context for people to take the responsibility of a personal healing and gone to that journey and so if you if what would you say are some practical skills are tools from all of your things that you would teaching and training and a things that you discovered in your own journey to where you’re in power tools for empowerment that you suggest or are resources that you suggest people Explorer to if they’re called to do the cultural healing work weather for profit or non-profit. Some dance between the two or it and then what what are some recommendations for people who are on their own path and aren’t necessarily called to do the the cultural healing yeah I mean it’s it’s a pretty vast subject that one but I think that a few points that I could think about and talk about our that I’m going to this idea of bringing you back in the station rights and recognizing that in the absence of them what do we have you know we are we are sadly in there without initiated Elders so many of us and if there are any of Elders that hold that ability to to guide those those ones are those are worth their weight in gold you know there really is people that we should try to lift up and and give them their recognition and see you know and then in the absence of that it’s like we kind of by default Our Generations people that will have to hopefully fulfill that and reach a place where we can actually help upcoming generations to go in a way that they don’t have to completely go it alone and and figure it out on them on their own the way that so many of us have had to and so there is a movement around Rites of Passage I sit on the board if you passageways which is a network that focus is squarely on you no Rites of Passage for you coming of age from all different walks and and and modalities you know some of them are our Boys to Men oriented some of them are girls to women some of them are starting to incorporate non gender binary kind of approaches as well which is good and and this whole focus on bringing back the ancestors into looking at Rites of Passage is is starting to happen and something that I focused on and so that’s that’s a resource you know people can go to youth passageways. Oregon and look at what programs are out there and they can also think about how they can add to that list and bring in things that are needed around especially around sexuality and relationship which is often I noticed kind of a big gap in a lot of programs out there you know because they’re confined confined or constrained by the conservative values where they take place and you know what school system is you know this is one of those places lagging for that kind of thing so it’s a role that I think that many people who understand the need can step into and cultivate as career paths you know and some people are pig figuring out how they can weave their credentials says on Sexual Health Educators or sexual therapist or sexual trauma or no trauma-based therapists you know into this realm of initiation and that’s that needs to happen on a on an increased level the other I see a lot of because of what I was saying around looks really don’t how many Avenues to learn other than through you know what the books in the workshops and offerings around sexuality thoughts unfortunately are not rooted in in people’s only need two lineages generally speaking you know so the whole Tantra movement is pretty much so you know a cultural appropriator of New Age fight version of those Traditions that would have been squashed by Christianity especially and so I think there’s work to be done there and as much as possible Retreat retrieving reconstructing are reconnecting with our own ancestral Traditions which I’m sure you know had their own knowledge wisdom around how to how to raise healthy harmonious individuals with healthy sexualities from from the vantage point of how what little I do know has been has been done in indigenous cultures and without wanting to appropriate for them from them I’ll just give way of examples out of that you know in and certain cultures that are studied like the Mayan culture and I think to some degree on certain places within Creek culture there’s examples of how as societies you know that the children are raised from an early age 2 reach a point where they understand how to how to harmonize with the other sex and how to to look after each other and that’s just a very basic principle that I feel like you know that’s that’s worth kind of learning how to integrate into our family structures if we have children that were raising just to keep in mind that you know there is a need for them to learn skills around things like consent and around being responsible with with one’s sexual energies and and I needs to start before they reach that age of adolescence where they’re just harder to connect with if you haven’t built up that Foundation so that’s something that I think about will do you so if I if if we check out that the organization that you mention is it would that be good place to find and something like a more enlightened or more conscious like sexual education curriculum or guidebook do you know if people were working on something like that so if I know if you know parents who were going through the puberty of their child that they have something that’s not just this cold clinical Western and even though that sort of evolving a little bit you know with things like a sack didn’t and whatnot I see a lot but the The ancestral wisdom and you know the ceremonial Rites of Passage you know how does it how does the Modern Family say okay well you’re about to start feeling you know hormonal Energy’s how do we give you know create even if it’s just within their family or their Community yoga or whatever is something more than what’s being offered in the normal sex ed or what they’re listening in gangster rap music and watching on sitcoms obviously you know it’s enough for lack of lot of alternative options it’s one one place to look and we’re always looking for others so whenever we discover something then we will see to auditory resources and we are trying to vet those resources and those organizations to make sure that they really are you know at least there’s some some level of you know safe recommendation that we can give for those those organizations we’re not we’re not in the position to really kind of completely you know set standards but we are trying to we have a code of what we call it a cross-cultural protocol so we do look at that aspect that you have for what we’re talking about that’s you know if that’s another layer that we will hopefully get to eventually and I do know that there are people within our Network who are really strongly focused on this particularly around girls to women kind of education and and Rites of Passage and some of the Boys to Men once but I think it’s also something we need to to enhance as well oh that’s great yeah that’s that’s that’s what I wanted to hear so that I can just refer people to this ongoing and so and then the LSI is kind of its there’s a Facebook I’ve been interacting with the the Facebook group for a while so is that something you recommend people plug-in I mean that’s the goal of that is to feature blogs and generate discussions from those blogs and also to establish a resource of services as well as information and so that’s you know running on in a very limited volunteer capacity and so you know it’s something that I hope will eventually become a very powerful resource but already it’s you know it’s been feedback that I’ve received that you know even just the the group that we have on Facebook somebody posted recently. You know it’s really help them in their in their path which is nice to hear and I’ve heard that a few times and I try to curate that group in such a way where it’s like you know it’s trying to generate discussion and it’s it’s trying to be a safe space where where people can get into some of those I’m intimate revealing is of what what’s going on in their lives one of the things that kind of came out of love sex intelligence local as a connection with Tamara and the love school that they have which is a very congruence philosophy to love sex intelligence and they’re their work to try to create or with to create safe spaces for people to to share stories of what’s going on in their intimate lover sexual lives and and B witnessed in a way that is non-judgemental where they’re not being flooded with advice but more just being witnessed which is kind of connected to that whole framework for Rites of Passage itm witnessing each other and so it’s it’s trying to also look at how you know communities can succeed in their in their goals which might include you know like being more sustainable or being an alternative to the systems around us and also being a part of a more peaceful kind of culture through filling this hole that is often where things go wrong where people are are are not feeling safe to talk about these these human experiences around wounding around are our hearts and our sexuality so I’ve been part of a Practice Group here that has been circulating also to other parts of BC and I think it’s a really it’s a really powerful movement to be a part of yeah we’re getting close to an hour or so I have to take a few more minutes and I’m get a couple thoughts and feelings some responsible for 1 something that his is coming up for me that I think it’s really empowering is this like idea that wouldn’t it be nice if some of us started to think of ourselves as aspiring Elders I’ve never thought of it that way until this conversation and there’s a little spark of joy and me that that says you know puts in context the the punk rock lifestyle that I had of live fast Die Young and just you know if it’s not throwing yourself into the meat grinder of insurrectionary activism you know with this sort of Death Wish you know this martyr complex or whatever it’s like those are really unsustainable archetypes to follow and they leave a lot of people when they get to my age in about 35 like in a sort of existential crisis that will the revolution didn’t happen and I didn’t get killed I didn’t die in the gutter you know I mean what am I going to do now and it’s like well maybe it’s time to become an aspiring Elder and you know clean up your act and and then start to think about how you’re going to make it easier cuz I there’s a lot of things that I had to go through that I would seriously love to have no one else ever have to go through and if you know if we can live in that. you know that is what you’re supposed to think that I think of you say you know you can you can learn from the wisdom of Elders who have gone through and made the mistakes that you’re probably going to go through or you can just be hard-headed and learn all your lessons the hard way but I mean we’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons in the absence of the eldership but I think if we take on that there’s a yeah me too. It seems obvious but really the way you put it his medicine for me to think you know it’s a dignified path to be an aspiring Elder and then it makes you not be so how do I can help you defeat that that that grinding pressure that oh my I’m going to lose my looks and I’m going to lose my energy and I’m going to be in the state of deprecation towards death and that’s very much the greatest fear of the western manicured Uno photoshopped airbrushed identity like you’re not really giving any hope that aging will be of any benefit in here just marginalized further and further so I thank you for that serve very much still give that time sacred eldership dignity not a light title to hold I think the true Elder wouldn’t really feel comfortable in it cuz it’s defining attributes of an elder that is really one that can help that role be the best it can be is one that is is really accountable is really present isn’t so on the move that if you can’t you know be relied upon to be there for the people that it serves now needs to ideally be in the in the fellowship of other Elders to kind of keep it in in in check in a way like we have to watch for the Cole group kind of phenomenon where people you know place a lot of weight on that person and in a way that can privilege them in certain ways and also lead to potential like power distortions and things like that you know it’s it’s only human that people will make mistakes and so having that kind of accountability of other people and also that time yeah you have people heart or a different there’s always like in every phase of life with the lifecycle there’s there’s like the maturing phases and so there’s like you know there’s a baby elder there’s enough adult Elder and then Senior Elder and so it’s just we have to learn at each stage of Life how to become the mature version of what that stage is and says just something to think about as well and it’s good to to get your feet wet early on in life so that you know we can have deep roots and and the and those are the kinds of people to like in the Tamara situation out of the black community they have a circle of Elders who are basically people who have grown with a community enough that they know the people in their community and then they serve a role as potential kind of like the Matchmaker but you know in a way where people can approach them in and ask them like you know I’m interested in this person and they can help you assess whether this is the right time or what is a good or bad idea and you know they can kind of that. Whole courtship in a way that you know really I think I wish there were more of those people around here don’t you let me relax you know learn the hard way what does that we’re just not compatible certain people in The Matrix the I mean yeah I’m not I’m not a political scientist of the Matrix but I will say that what got me peaked on the ecstatic trance dance group ritual ceremony festival thing was it really when I saw I think it was maybe the second movie or maybe it was the second or the third but there was a scene where they’re just getting down to like Juno Reactor I think was a soundtrack of a butt there is something beautiful about seeing the different the warrior culture Guided by elders and of course there’s different the archetypes playing out in Conflict split that to me was took it further than then the Star Trek Federation is a futuristic Elder guided Council guided kind of reality so that was kind of fun but yeah so that’s what came to mind when you’re at we’re talking about that be so cool if you’re early sexual oracle’s who you go to you know if we’re going to give you insights and maybe even have name your child for you or something cool like that you know be so cool but right on then will I worry about at the hours so do you have any closing touch you want to share or any other resources or should we just I’ll post the the links that you mention and I’ll definitely encourage people to stay informed and keep an eye out for your anything coming up you have any appearances or anything exciting like that coming up you want to mention I think yeah I think I covered a lot of it and I just wanted to maybe plant a seed while I have the airwaves here about something that I’d I’d eventually like to work on presenting which is around insert Intercultural relationships and also decolonizing our relationships as well and just thinking about how how we can heal some of these ancestral traumas and use that has as as a means to strengthen our relationships and also our society right on I’ll be looking forward to everything that you’re you’re expressing in the world and I hopefully yeah maybe sometime in the future we can talk about skill sets for Beyond Christian monogamy that would be a great topic so yeah how would you feel about that maybe we can sometime in the next few months follow up with something like that. Maybe by the by the time I’ll have more of a personal lived experience to a base conversation around that I think you know in terms of people who are already I don’t know how many listeners here are on a Christian spiritual path without that many but if the energy and gnosticism and sacred marriage not going to the alchemical top in the in the Gnostic tradition but I I wouldn’t make any claims to be an expert in that area but it’s definitely something to look at cool alright then we will be in touch and will follow up sometime in the future and thank you so much so be I really enjoyed it and I know it’s taking us a while to get this to get this done but I think it was perfect and I couldn’t ask for anything more so you have a wonderful day. Take care and keep for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Contra Punk. Com Thomas Day