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Futurizing the Public Policy of Sex Work with Devika the Techy Tantrika TPP183

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In this episode I’m joined again by dear friend and tantric comrade Devika the Techy Tantrika for a discussion about the future of public policy for sex workers, sex educators, sex technologists, and more. We explore our mutual fascination for the study of how sexuality is regulated by policy makers who seem to have decreasing interest in consulting with the populations their laws affect the most. An emergent property of our convo is the fleshing out of a sort of verbal white paper outlining the problems we’re facing in the sex industry and the innovative solutions that are rapidly evolving in the sex tech space.

Check out our first episode for more info on her personal backstory:

https://tantrapunk.com/open-source-intimacy-with-devika-the-techy-tantrika-tpp131/

About Devika:

Devika J. Singh/The Techy Tantrika is a Tantric Sex and Self-Relationship Coach as well as a Performess. Her diverse creative endeavours as well as her views on holistic sex, intimacy, self-relationship and self-care have culminated into the one-on-one online coaching practice she has today. Devika’s unique take on traditional and Neo-Tantric practices along with her continuous dedication to providing commentary on tech trends that affect the way we date and intimately connect shine through in her YouTube video series where she provides Tantric sex and dating advice to her audience.

You can find Devika’s YouTube sex+dating advice video series at youtube.com/thetechytantrika

Follow her Instagram at:
http://www.instagram.com/thetechytantrika

You can also find out more about her coaching practice and writing at devika-singh.com

Topics we discuss include:

  • the future of age verification regulation and innovations in blockchain tech
  • the hyper regulation of fosta/sesta
  • https://www.woodhullfoundation.org/
  • statistics of harm reduction in decriminalized sex industries
  • how criminalization of websites pushes sex workers back into the hands of pimps
  • the risks to sex workers increasing as regulations take away online reputation and client vetting systems
  • with more rights, sex workers can build more resilient safety nets
  • law enforcement is actually disempowered by fosta/sesta as they no longer have a places to gather evidence and conduct investigations
  • lessons from Nevada and Amsterdam sex work policy
  • December 17th International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project USA
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project Los Angeles
  • Sex work as a layer in the “software stack” that is modern civilization
  • the need for tantra corporate retreats to better facilitate the intelligent flow of sexual energy for increase productivity and team building
  • sex workers do God’s work
  • involuntary celebates Vice article
  • how sex workers prevent violence by providing much needed sexual outlets for those who’s sexually needs are unmet in relationships
  • the value of polyamory community to open public discourse on alternative relationship models
  • the importance of consent and how healthy sex industries facilitate consent best practices
  • the agility of technology and the slow rate of change in government sectors
  • the need for tantra instructors to have the same protections and freedoms as spiritual and religious leaders
  • how those in the sex industry have to live double lives and hide their sexual identity to fit into mainstream society, maintain or apply for jobs, etc.
  • how current systems are outdated and barbaric
  • how open-source and peer-to-peer technologies are creating new dimensions of freedom and empowerment
  • the libertarian sentiment: “stater’s gonna state”
  • Caligula’s regulation and taxation of brothels in ancient Rome
  • the potential for technology to prevent insurrectionary street battles with police such as in the origins of the gay rights movement and the Stonewall Riots
  • the need for tech savy sexuality educators, service providers and policy makers in the Nevada blockchain city
  • crypto billionaries building crypto social infrastructure in Puetro Rico
  • the Silicon Valley of Crypto in Zug, Switzerland
  • Joe Lubin’s sex positive attitude towards Ameen Soliemani and SpankChain
  • the sexual economics of the wild west and the evolution of brothels
  • how sex workers have generated the revenue for municipal projects, public works, and civil services in gold rush town
  • the progressive sex work policies in Australia
  • the tragic irony of how sexual health has evolved, and public policy around sex work has devolved
  • advocating for natural birth control methods beyond the rhythm method
  • revitalizing ancient sexual health wisdom and practices
  • how sex workers are better qualified to teach sex ed and safer sex
  • the history of witch trials and burning
  • the demonization of midwives for empowering women to have sexual and reproductive sovereignty
  • the often unexamined and unacknowledged negative side effects of birth control pills
  • ancient yogini cults of India and the rebellion of tantric witches in India
  • how marginalized women such as widows, prostitutes, and those who’ve escaped abusive relationships are a force to be reckoned with when they organize and band together
  • differences between neo-tantra and classical tantra
  • how 2019 will be the year of the sex witch
  • yoni steam baths with Steamy Chick
  • how midwives often become referees in hospital birthing situations where mother’s are mistreated and misinformed
  • the power of women in crypto and blockchain
  • the women of crypto track at the crypto invest summit
  • the southern california blockchain community and Blockchain Beach meet up
  • financial feminism in the crypto space
  • the hypocrisy of law maker sex buyers who legislate against sex workers
  • reverse doxing
  • the Ashley Madison hack
  • the notion that high profile clients should give back to support the decriminalization, unionization, health benefits, and other rights and amenities for sex workers
  • the notion of the techno shaman and their roles and responsibilities in protecting and defending the global cyber village
  • if good people don’t master tech, only the bad people will
  • future visions for goddess temples where sex is earned through meaningful local service to the women and the health of their families and their full life cycles
  • the political economy of making love not war and how throughout history love has been suppressed to create less attached soldiers
  • the under-representation of women in tech and computer science
  • the depressing statistics on venture funding and C-level employment for females
  • how a world with more balanced access to funding and corporate authority is as yet unimaginable, but we anticipate it to be much healthier, more beautiful, safe, and equitable, most importantly for sex workers and the sex trade

 

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 184 I’m being joined by Alejandra Aguilar and she is the health educator an HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and we sort of met at a recent sex workers Outreach project event on December 17th which was the international day to end violence against sex workers and there was a beautiful creative artistic kind of community building event that was held there and that was the first time I had visited the East last night Women’s Center and I was very thrilled to know that that the place exists and of the great work they’re doing there and Alejandra was hosting the event through the space and has some really powerful and moving things to say about the work that she does in support of women’s health in and sexuality health and education and so I was very moved and thought I’d reach out and see if she like to tell us a bit more about her personal background and about what the great works that are offered at the center there so I’ll a hundred thank you so much for joining me looking forward to hearing more about your story thank you thank you Ben and thank you for inviting me to be part of this podcast so as you mention my name is HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and yeah I recalled that for a little over 42 years and one of the things that we always want to let people know is that this is a place where women silence is hurt for the community has their silence and so we decided to open up our space so that sex workers and their allies and come in and and have a safe place to meet and so I have been working in the field of HIV for in reproductive health for a little over 14 years and you know when I arrive to this country when I was 8 years old and one of the reasons why I’m very passionate about advocating for Women Health is because specially for the health and well-being and the needs of let me know is because many times Latinas specially Latinos who are aware of the services that might be out there to support them and so one of my one of my reasons for being an ally in in the the support of sex workers is to be able to avoid the needs of women especially one of the things that I did was I was a child care provider even though I was a child myself I used to babysit that the children of many sex workers women who were immigrants who worked up at sex workers and so I got to see a lot of the needs that a lot of the new show of the women and definitely a lot of them are children and so you know as I was getting older I decided to to look into this route of being of service to to the community by advocating for the needs of your penis growing up I got to see how special immigrant women for sexual abuse that shows fault interpersonal violence and definitely sexual explotation and when I started working at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center I thought this is perfect I get to work for an organization that is aligned with my beliefs and here I am 14 years into providing Services Organization advocating for the woman’s name well that is so powerful and thank you so much for sharing that and specially about your personal background ATS really moving to me I know that there that there is a lot of really strong feminist history and in feminist movement history around women sexual health and and support services and also and sort of sort of vaguely aware of different tensions that there have been within the feminist movement around 7 is sewer or not as supportive of sex workers or of women who were involved in the adult industry and some some who maybe are more supportive some curious if you have had to navigate any of those those politics within the women within the women’s movement about the sort of taboo subjective of the sex industry not necessarily you know I am very fortunate to be in this organization I’m very fortunate to have a strong network of providers that believe in advocating for everyone and when we say everyone it means every single person regardless of what they’re definitely here at the women’s center we do not see people for what they do we see them for who they are and so when we see when we see you know a sex worker we see them for who they are first and foremost a human being have to keep for them or what you would like and definitely no I haven’t encountered any of that it does not mean that it’s not the doesn’t accept them pretty sure there’s so many people that have encounter with you but I myself have not I’m really glad to hear that because I got that Vibe definitely that there was no judgment and no no sort of distance or or or judgment you about about that because it is so it is so much a part of life and people want to ignore it or people want to just hiding from it but it’s it’s a real serious issues I appreciate it very much that that you hold that space and and I want to thank you for doing that so if you could help us understand a bit about what the the most vital needs are of those those women who are doing work in the sex industry what are some of the things that people should know about as far as what they face on a daily basis and even ways that that people who are maybe just wanting to support them where are they they want to be allies how they can also be supportive but would definitely I cannot speak for everyone but I can’t I am able to speak for those who I have been fortunate and humble enough to provide services doing these are the Immigrant Latinos who work in the bars on the country has most of the time you asked about their needs what their needs are definitely there’s a lot of me to to provide them with resources resources and when I say resources what kinds of resources and support that they need to let them know about the right and to let them know that if they have been abused molested in any way that there is are places that can help them if they need just a space where they can just feel safe that there’s such a space about what we hope to who provides many of the women that we service the well-being overall well-being we are always concerned about their health their physical health or emotional health because we know that it can take a toll on their health specially those who work at night all we know that is if it can be difficult for them to to take care of that their help because the majority of them are also mothers and because they are mothers you know many times Latinas put the needs of their own meat how can I say it they put their needs before the needs of anyone else and they last one but they’re nice and so I want to advocate for them we also want to let them know that they have rights we hope to educate them about the right within the women that we service some of them are hiv-positive and so will support them we support them by providing resources for their help for them so that they can receive the services well thank you very much again for doing that work in something that I that I have been made very much aware of by my association with women who who would be considered those very strong feminist critique of the patriarchal economic structures and just the way capitalism works and how how this Empire is really built on on its own built on the backs of immigrant labor and and and from what you’re saying it’s also built on the bodies of the sex workers who who serve a lot of different types of male laborers and I’m wondering what if you care to share from your personal perspective what are some observations are inside sore or strong feelings you may have around what the what the role of men who may be there maybe they are sex buyers or maybe they are temps or maybe they are you know what and then you can any level of that economy do you ever have the opportunity to to Enlighten them or two to help them become more active in doing the support work for the for the women or what what is your feeling about the men who are just kind of you don’t hear a lot about the John’s or the Pimp C male a male and get you component we are thinking by myself a big advocate for making change in our communities mobilizing one of the one of the things that I do is when I am able to speak to groups of men and provide them with information writing with resources to do is to let them would like for them specially if they are consumers of the services of the women who are sex workers Michael is for them not to think of the women as object to know that there’s a story behind them that there that these women might have gone through many struggles am I making sense yes this is amazing I love to hear it to hear more about it cuz I feel like it’s so lacking it’s so lacking in that people actually try to educate them and whether it’s about using condoms or or being just mine. I’m being respectful this is Range Community and to use their voice to Advocate from them as well to use whatever privilege they have as meant to protect them to advocate for them that’s definitely one one of our pools and one of the things that we hope to accomplish is for for men to go beyond those gender roles that they are putting the moment they are born we want them to understand that they can break out of that box I agree with you yes wow so if that that thank you so much for sharing those insights that they’re really really touches my my heart and soul because I feel like I’m as myself as a sex worker myself I’ve been mistreated and abused and certainly I would have loved for the very wealthy the wealth of the wealthier of my clients to to be giving back and supporting nonprofit organizations that actually create a better life and more resources 400 why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t you give back to to like a trade Association it was helping you have a good experience in helping you get your needs met so hopefully yeah I’m excited to hear about what you’re doing over the other people will do that kind of Outreach as well so if we could talk a bit about the I feel like it’s it would be important to give some context for people listening to this what what the scope of sexual assault really looks like from your perspective you’re really seeing and I again am I feel very honored to speak with you knowing that you’re you’ve chosen to be putting yourself in a position to have so much exposure and really be very empathetic and very compassionate towards people who are in times of Crisis and some of the the most extreme trauma and current crisis so you could help to sensitize the listeners of this podcast to do some what it what is sort of typical cycle is when you have someone to say come in for services who is in trauma or crisis and in kind of what whatever is appropriate you know for you to share but that I think would be good for us to understand that means we started in 1976 and actually disorganization begin you know it was first bilingual confidential 24 hour 7 days a week crisis hotline to be able to service and provide support to survivors of sexual assault what we do is we have a hotline and call if they have just been assaulted molested or phrase taking cold even if it happened many years ago in another country we provide supporting the support looks something like this we we do Hospital accompany me to go to the hospital to provide support to the Survivor of rape and we’re able to see people all ages for survivors from a baby to someone well over the age of 90 we see that again we see them for who they are we see them as human beings Survivor and we are basically there to support them we allow them to have a safe safe space to come in and speak support when and if they’re ready mix someone is ready and they would like to come in and receive support we can provide them with counseling therapy and again we never tell them what to do we are there in their healing journey in the journey to heal I said we’re walking hand-in-hand with them so where’s that the healing path and soul Moana singing about in 2016 I remember in 2016 we provided services to over 10,000 women and children on the hotline movie about 2,200 called so we’re pretty busy if ever since that Open Door hotline has never closed and twice a year would provide training for people to become sexual assault advocate so that they can help survivors they can do hospital but also so that they get the keys for the needs of survivors important so after all of this exposure that you and your colleagues and peers with organization in and near the community of people that you’re connected with her your allies in Von forcement in the justice system and that the hospital system and the the sword I guess there’s also the social services and Family Services sectors of thumb of the county and in local local governments I’m curious if you could talk about some of the powder and some of the insides whatever you’ve been able to kind of a phone some conclusions you may have arrived at just about to the patterns of abuse and where you feel like the most effective interventions can occur on the preventative side of this issue how to do there’s definitely a lot to do but we definitely one of our one of them nothing’s that needs to happen to be able to to end sexual assault and domestic violence definitely HIV we need to end violence against women and homophobia swell we definitely know that if we end violence against women we end homophobia we are very well and then into the HIV epidemic we are definitely going to see Alright by very much agree with that and tell me what comes to mind from me for my personal experience in for my studies and I love to hear what you had what you would have to stay from your perspective Which is far more I would say far from a highly developed than mine because of the position that you that you’ve taken up and and I would say with what are your thoughts on the you mentioned machismo that’s something that I’m interested to hear more about what what that where that comes from and what you would how you would advise people to deconstruct that that sort of some aspect of violence in and then also alcohol and Andrew role that you feel that plays or substance abuse and how that feeds into the violence well it’s definitely a collaborative effort of everyone social service providers to law enforcement to every single every single person has a responsibility to an hour in one of the things we have are you aware of basically the women from targeted community wengage and Outreach and education and what they do is they increase awareness of sexual assault and resources and domestic violence victims and their families but they also bring awareness and so one of the things that that we have here in our organization in mind you all women that can be women that are actively working a sex workers women for HIV positive Housewives just about anyone and they go through this training where they learn about their culture how their cultural experiences shape their identity with a lot of focus on the Latino cultures and Value Inn in the experiences that they might have had growing up and still one of the things that we encourage them don’t is to look at what what are the values of culture that contribute in a positive way to to have better communities to to make them feel safe right it in to make a change in the world and to keep those we encourage them to look at the one that can be toxic that can be done that perpetuate and we encourage them to to look at both and decide which ones they want to keep which ones they want to transmit to other generation so we start with that beautiful well thank you for doing that as well in I’m curious if we could go to the next question which is the just to the prevalence of alcohol and domestic violence I think is pretty well well known that a lot of sexual assault and violence happened in in circumstances that are sort of fueled by drunkenness and I’m curious if you have thoughts on to substance abuse and alcoholism and how that how that affects the work that you do and the the the women that you support but we do know that it art again you know what we need people were there as we don’t we do not follow up a model of trauma-informed that means we are not going to shame people if they have issues with substance abuse know we can help them try to get to the root of why they’re they’re using or why they’re drinking rice I can tell you definitely my perspective from what I saw growing now I can tell you that issues with alcoholism are very prevalent with the with the women who work in the bar and the emptiness sex workers because that is part of their work in order to make a living they have to drink with the client and so many women that start working in the barn and the emptiness when they start working in the bar on the time peanut they have never you know in their life they have never had a drink but once they start working out of their job it’s how they make that living and some many of them develop alcoholism that’s one of the things that I saw and so you know if you if you asked to do it that many have a history of abuse or trauma that it don’t even know that they have this history of abuser, they don’t even know what to name those feeling you know very bad idea that depression you have a very difficult situation for for the person you know when one of these again that I hate that I was able to see I was able to see because of the lack of support and empowerment and resources available to this woman I saw in a bunch of this day I still seen any of them Works who no longer work in the calendar because there was no support there was no one to assist them teach them how to how to make a budget how to save the money or even how to invest some of them and not only that but a lot of them ended up with issues of alcohol yeah I hear you and that actually comes at least to my next question really which is about what you see as some of the the positive outcomes and the I would say to be clear I don’t believe that it’s wrong to be a sex worker ever see for myself I die in the part of the six work industry so there are some people would say well you just need to go to church and you need to quit the lifestyle and and and you need to leave it all behind you which I’m not I’m not here to say is this is right or wrong but but I will I will say that I’m very interested in what what 6 I think about the concept of a success story or someone who has overcome substance abuse or alcoholism in if they choose to remain active in the sex industry but I from a healthier place or if they choose to move beyond that I’m curious what you what are some of the pathways that you have facilitated or witnessed of of women who have become really empowered either is former sex workers or or or sort of sex workers in recovery what are some of the success stories that you would say that you’ve been a part of each other’s privacy and confidentiality if I can tell you that there’s this particular woman who is what after she became involved and after she was able to gather with other women saw other women like herself all about the right person for most of the human bean learn that there is nothing to be ashamed of learn to speak remind learn to Advocate Parker cell I was able to see an amazing transformation this is a person who now is able to speak up for herself this is someone who is able to negotiate pay for sex which I think it’s amazing to see this is someone who if she feels that someone is making her feel ashamed because of what she does she’s able to speak up she doesn’t know her head as she used to be for not just that but her priority priority priority herself above anything else in that include making better decisions when it comes to drinking that our decisions for her mean eating what you drink tea not not drinking as much as she used to before that you will forget to take her medication doesn’t make sense that is In N safety she she has been able to say she now has a savings account which is tremendous you know because now she’s planning or for the years I had to fight absolutely well I’ll take you out to other women beautiful well that’s that’s very good to hear and thank you again for doing that and just maybe a couple few more questions one will be going back to the the other half of the equation which is the the male role in and all of this into client role so I sounds like you’re yeah you have a lot of experience working with women who were in that that culture of the bar and cantina world and so like you said that there will be drinking is just part of the job and I’m curious if you if you could reach into the heart and soul of the the male clients and understand where they’re coming from and if they would maybe intergenerational trauma or or personal issues that they may be dealing with in and if we were to make if we were to all be working together to create more empowered and more conscious and then we’re healthy men and male clients and then maybe they would maybe this sounds ridiculous I guess but but I would love to see a world where where sex work is is legal and where people clients and and and service providers could meet up at a healthy juice bar or something or like a farmers market or something you know where it’s it’s not always in the context of of alcohol and that kind of sort of sector and so I’m just curious if when you think about this and when you work in this in this world if you do you have any advice for four men who are just maybe this sort of their kind of being set up or something I don’t know why I don’t know what you how you feel about just the whole the nature of that in of that that world of the the bar scene in the all that wouldn’t be able to provide education you know when I go out and we have those messages that week we share with with menopause sensitive to have healthy relationships with all the people in their life okay and do would you say while we’re on the topic of the Mennonite and I appreciate it and it sounds like what needs to happen is that more more men need to step up and organize and do Outreach it’s you already sounds like you’re already very your hands are full working with women and it sounds like that would be good for more men to anybody listening who has that the resources or the means to to do more Outreach Two Men and hopefully that will that will happen and I would say I just want another question just while we’re on the topic is if you if you feel like there is do you feel like a lot of the men who are of War buying the sexual services at women are they are they not really functional in their in their their own marriages that are on family life and are they I guess I don’t know like I said the other is there anything you can say about about the profile or the sort of in the attitude or the State of Mind of the mail client server or are they just a lot of single man to hoodoo don’t have a wife and that therefore they had they feel like they have to get through the day but with a beer you know with getting some drinks and inviting some sex and again there is so much so much change that needs to happen in one of them against the things that I be all that needs to happen from what I saw you know growing up in a very traditional community at 8 I was born in Mexico and I grew up in the town I was very religious it was okay for men to go to a bar in to go to La Cantina to look to spend some time with women right because many of them felt have to ask for certain things from their wives or their girlfriends was disrespectful and so they grew up thinking that the women that worked in the bar in the Campina where it was okay to have certain things of them right certain sexual things or even just to drink with them right again that idea that the women that worked in the casino or less than the women that are at home but that should not be the case that we can community that there’s this idea that yeah I’m going to go to the bar I’m going to go to the one with her right or she will be willing to deliver for a Spur to do and I cannot ask my wife to do that because she’s a good wife or she’s a good woman or she’s going to get offended if I ask her to do certain things when it might be very well that her wife at home or at home is wishing he will do those things with her because of how she grew up in this box that she was playing through gender role that don’t ask for something sexual well your violence violence that that if you are a good wife you would not dare ask for any of that and so that’s one of the things that I’m very passionate about teaching women again we let you know when it’s okay to to look for pleasure it’s okay to have conversations with your partner about certain things it’s okay to explore as long as you are both okay in the end it’s okay to look for a relationship with someone who is not going to feel threatened if you ask for certain things for your own pleasure well that is really powerful and I appreciate you saying that that really means a lot that really helps me understand a lot better and I hope I hope we can move towards that and and I appreciate the work you’re doing to create that space to explore and understand and and change the is paradigm so you’re so another question I have for you which is kind of this kind of extraordinary but I like to I like to do you know what some people call a thought experiment where you just think about what obviously you have you have some budgetary constraints and you have people power constraints but if you and your team or your colleagues the people you work within your organization if you somehow we’re blessed with the resources and the even just to say you won the lottery or something absurd like that but it was just say you had you had really almost Limitless potential or and Empower even politically to say okay this is all of this is all of the wisdom that we have and these are the proposals that we have and and if you just had what what you need to talk about investment and whatnot so if there was a if there was a venture capital firm that says we really think what you’re doing is important and we feel like that there is a benefit to society to have you you all have more resources and really if you if you had almost Limitless budget what are some of the things that you would do to to accelerate and grow and expand you know your services in certainly how I mean I would love to see since having been to the place you know your location I would love to see myself I would love to see you have more more acreage you no more land and something like the weirdest El Centro Farm was there some place where you can have Community Gardens in actual herbal Gardens in and healing natural areas and places for meeting that we’re outside and there were also safe and also had security so that’s just kind of what comes to my mind but I’m curious what you would do or what you would sort of dream up if you had almost no limits to what you can imagine wow there’s so much that we will definitely do love I can tell you that with a bigger budget we will definitely be able to since we will not have waiting list for four clients to to enrolled into into a program but definitely one thing will be to to increase to provide more support for the women that are hiv-positive because of budget I’m talking about financial support very limited women are always left behind and yet they’re the ones that love to see more help women’s health programs that are more sex-positive that are inclusive of sexual trauma Empower women to advocate for their sexual health definitely expand more men’s healing talking circles where they can wear the men pink and strengthen the relationship that we would love to see that but definitely if there was no monetary restrictions more more a healing circles or for women where they can talk about their health advocate for the health including their sexual health awesome thank you so much for sharing and I’m hoping that all of your dreams will come true you’re suddenly during such important and if I don’t work in the community and so yeah I wish you absolutely the best moving forward and hopefully yeah we’ll see each other again and then more more collaboration will happen that will be mutually supportive within our communities do you have any closing words you’d like to share and then also do you want to share the website URLs and any other links or any other ways to connect that would be great bilingual 24-hour hotline anyone can reach this hotline 24/7 the number is 800 5856 231 once again is 800-585-6231 and our website is www.ladwp.com org once again is so absolutely yes sir I appreciate it’s been an honor and do you have any last closing words you like to say is just a call to action or or things that you feel like if if people knew in NC could hear this voice than they would they would they would want to step up and and I guess it was before we say that you are a 501 c 3 charitable non-profit so donations are tax-deductible am I correct that we are especially in need of support because we have the only shelter in the mission where people can can go if they have just been sexually assaulted or if they have just landed on the hospital and they’re afraid to go back home or back to where the perpetrator or abuser is and we definitely need a lot of support for that our women’s HIV program a lot of sports comidas up with some sort of supporting in the dollar if you can share our website with others or even our Facebook page elawc please go ahead and do so we will be very grateful thank you so much Alejandro I think that was a really good introduction to all of the the work you’re doing and I hope that’s a lots of good things come from this and hopefully we will have meet again and and maybe we can follow up again and have you back on sometime in the future talk about some new developments and hopefully there’s there will be a lot more a lot more great things happening in the future so thank you again for your time and we’ll be in touch okay bye bye thank you for listening to the touch of Honey Pot www.entrepreneur.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temple in every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Exploring the Future of Sex Tech with Jenna Owsianik TPP156

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In this episode I’m joined by Jenna Owsianik a sex tech expert who sheds light on a vast array of sectors that have been outside of my reality tunnel. She helps to provide context and optimism for technology in the sexuality space and helps me to overcome some of my deeply rooted luddite technophobia. It was an honor and pleasure to discover and explore new dimensions of sexual futurism and I’m looking forward to having her as a returning guest to keep the tantra punk podcast community informed and operating ahead of the curve in the sex tech space.

Please visit: https://futureofsex.net/future-of-sex-report/

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About Jenna:
Jenna Owsianik is a Canadian sex tech expert. Since 2014 she has been the editor of FutureofSex.net, the world’s leading publication on how technology is changing human sexuality, today and tomorrow. She is the primary author of the Future of Sex Report (2016), which covers state-of-the-art sex technologies and the five major fields driving innovations in intimacy: sex robots, remote sex (teledildonics), immersive adult entertainment, human augmentation, and virtual sex.

A trained journalist with a Masters of Journalism from The University of British Columbia, Jenna’s reporting has appeared on Futurism.com, Al Jazeera English, CTV British Columbia online, CBS Sunday Morning, CBS 60 Minutes, Global News, and CKNW Radio in Canada and the United States. She also holds an Honors BA in Women’s Studies and French from The University of Western Ontario.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin and also a sex tech consultant and she mention my podcast in a post on social media after she heard an interview I did with vehicle and Butler from intimate. I know which is one of my favorite recent episodes where we were able to talk about the future of sex in terms of blockchain cryptocurrency in and all the new opportunities are happening there so I’m very pleased to know that there’s been a no pun intended ripple effect in that that conversation is led to this connection now and I’m really excited to be having this conversation and I’ll just say before we got continued an introduced Jenna is just that I apologize for the the drop in quality and next to the mobile after situation so the museum the application on my phone instead of at my studio so please bear with any of the background noise and quality loss and with that said Jenna would you please tell us all about your history in life and what was you into this fascinating world that you’re playing is this expert consultant set up an interesting journey into the space my background I have an undergraduate degree in women’s studies so I’ve always had an interest in how sex and gender shape human interactions in the ways that culture disability Grace influence people maybe, how how they’re treated and Suboxone has been like a focused me what’s important and being involved in that I I’ve never really loved mainstream representation of women sexuality in particular and out of minority groups that I don’t think the General Lee mainstream media does an even more nuanced way when it comes so you can just like white straight man it’s sort of language has the most negative things about what’s happening but we don’t always hear the positives about Saxon and I think it’s just really important for us to be having Frank and Don scentsationals conversations about sex sex education in engender because you know we’re here most of us because you know somebody had sex but it’s sort of it is not on your podcast but places in outside of the sex tech industry it’s been like oh you can’t really talk about it unless it it’s it’s the Nacogdoches right so that’s been me wanting to get into reporting and journalism regarding sex has to really be able to share some of these positive stories or even push some of the negative topics out there but with more of us solutions-based Focus really highlight different yo so-called alternative sexualities because there’s a lot of people whose voices are missing from a conversation and props their sexual preferences or not so alternative after all we’re just not seeing seeing them in so that’s really will have my passion is gone and gone into it to this it’s sort of funny how I’m working with the future sex now because I used to be a researcher on a show that never took off but it was supposed to be like a documentary series on the history of sex and now it’s always been an area I’m interested in and just always happy to meet new people and hopefully start discussions where we can talk about creating a positive and exclusive sexual future well thank you for sharing that very very well said in that yet Continuum of history and the future hopefully yeah you’ll get to do some coverage of historical material as well and made me think about a really good series by I can’t remember his name right now it’s like one of the guys from Monty Python but he do them a couple of ancient history of sex kind of thumb Adventure very adventurous and very entertaining and comedic expirations and some of the most some of the most potent information and so liberating and healing is is coming from looking at how well the Glory Days if a lot of coaches were people were way more open and and expressed and whatnot so I hope you had a hope you do get to do more stuff as well just while we’re on that topic what was what was some what are some of your interest in the history of before we get into the patterns that you say now in the present history I think about the main focus of the developers of the show in what we were looking at was just type of like Miss busting about sex like everything you thought which I believe is too much of a generalization sort of the push for monogamy in a relationship right now I think things are changing we have this kind of you of you know the nuclear family being always the way it was so it always the way things were and thinking about you know what the past that everyone was announced he’s you know had her sexual care relationships but you know very old artifacts and what not and so that was sort of that was interesting to me because I I’ve always kind of felt like growing up personally it’s always the snow this is what you do as a young lady you do that when you get married to a guy at this age and whatever and that’s how you’re going to be happy but I think you know for everybody is just because that’s what a lot of people do it’s not necessarily the right thing for you or that it’s not culturally created just so that was sort of interesting to me this opening out ideas about maybe the heaviest history isn’t so much what we think it was it’s not so like what it was now but maybe you know there are more sexual acceptance about maybe having a relationship romantic or sexual with someone who wasn’t your monogamous married partner well I totally agree with all that and I’m sure you must be a fan of that book sex at dawn would say yeah big bucks that we were looking at and I think we spoke on the phone to Christopher Ryan to see if that could kind of develop into a show but yeah I agree why but with it was interesting because I was working for a private party entertainment has as a production company at West and they had produced the series called I think you know people interested in Kankakee and it was funny was the the big Co he was saying that you know that show did really well but like 10 years later you didn’t think that if you pitched it would work like doing would have been open to it and maybe that’s why the history of sex didn’t get picked up because you know how fast is our culture is also like a sexual with it and I don’t know why I picked up maybe you know there’s more stuff on the internet if you don’t need cable and I’m yeah it’s interesting to think about the trends in why things like 10 years earlier mine’s been accessible and then kind of 10 years later maybe maybe that’s just too risky Essentia sitting at these patterns and yeah it kind of brings us into now the present we’re really I mean I would love to see something like I’m missing Chris Ryan Christopher Ryan document in documentaries are being interviewed what not end in TED Talks stand and I feel like he breaks it down in such a heartwarming and and validating way for everybody to validate everybody’s was otherwise consider to be sinful you know if you can take a deep sigh of relief even if you are interested in monogamy but I think some people feel really bad sometimes when they’re attracted to somebody who’s not their monogamous partner and I mean that I may just I think it just makes the desire more taboo and more you know forbidden indeed indeed well yeah but I’ve got a couple of thoughts I’ll ask her if you’ll questions way to that that I’ll save for a bit later and I’ll just kind of make a note that there is a dimension of the futurism of sexuality that’s happening through the the global webcamming free live webcam being whole infrastructure that’s exposing and creating space for some of the most elaborate Creative Group sexuality Expressions I’ve ever seen and it’s it’s actually this huge Catalyst to to push all these boundaries towards more queer and Polly normative Behavior anyway I want to see that thought for later we’ll get so get around to it if we have time but that’s something I’m really thrilled about the will let’s let’s talk about you if you would what are some of the now looking at this accelerating technological train ride the roller coaster ride perhaps they were on what do you see now in the modern era the rapidly accelerating kinda techno future area that we’re looking at what are some patterns that you’re observing from your journalism in your research into that that direction of time was he must know cryptocurrency and blockchain it’s like every time I check my email I have a new press release or something from a company that’s trying to launch a token for the sex industry and that’s that’s really appealing I don’t but still it’s still obviously needs to get figure it out and I think that everyone should listen to your on episode with Leah Colin Butler Illuminating discussion about blockchain people performers are people maybe who are entrepreneurs trying to. You know their money get paid and you know keep privacy so you working sex tech or something or your sex worker or something to do something sort of related to sex it can be real big problem to open a bank account to keep it open without it being closed because they think something you’re doing is you know unsavory late or very sex negative and then of course there’s issues with privacy and safety and so I’m there’s just a lot of folks out there who are excited to think that in your blockchains a way to make it so there’s ways of paying people that’s outside of the mainstream where they can’t shut it down and I’m hopefully being able to to protect privacy as well so that that’s really interesting and exciting cryptocurrency and blockchain so I wonder how it’s going to hear from now I’m very keen to know what all these tokens around or going to be doing cuz there’s just so many and then what’s also come out more is I’m seeing more virtual reality sex games with outperformers their likeness inside so we have like stars like KCl there and yeah so basically I think what they do is that the most part they wear motion-capture suits and their likenesses recorder than the different facial expressions and then they get put inside video games and so can others as they can send it to this is what how they have their IP to have their you know digital duplicate used I think that’s really interesting because he how you can say that with someone without reformers but that could also be applied to two maybe you know of your own personal fantasy or maybe a long distance relationship where you’re able tags immersive sexual experiences that that seem real with people who like to be intimate with bite me you’re not able to just because he know they don’t exist but it’s interesting how it’s it’s it’s it’s been something that I like literally that I don’t understand that we’re prography Industries in really trying to do is respond to the yard so hopefully sales and into interactive games to bring back the cash what’s interesting but it also has had some effect source of the muses outside and I’m sure you’ve heard a lot about sex robots was just thinking about that was going to the next thing I would want to ask you about what you’ve got on your status so if you want to talk about sex robots in use might not really tell you is like usually it’s it’s basically an animatronic sex doll that looks like the hydro normative type of thing that’s usually for being treated for straight men there are people who are trying to think of you know all what about people who have different interests on what would women want a sex robot right now what is really in development and on sale are these animatronic life-size love dolls right that right now they’re their bodies don’t move but they may some a heat up some cancer walk in their lips but the the one that looks the best and he let actually gone on sale is I’m from realbotix and so realbotix is a subsidiary of Abyss tree they make real doll and so they finally after a few years of no being in the media and working hard with them some really great roboticist I’m an AI developers they finally released their first generation robotic head it’s pretty cool you should check on YouTube or if you have to just go to robotics. Com it it’s it’s it’s pretty much a safe for work website I mean really cool how the system to kind of change the face on the robotic head is is a sub magnet in Silicon system and look it looks super super realistic and I think the doll is quite the same price I think it might be about 10 grand but if people aren’t interested that they all still has like a knife that’s about $20 a year where it’s like an AI personality. That’s the idea so why I’m saying all this is really exciting it’s just because covering sex robots myself there’s a lot of hype there’s a lot of vapor where a lot of things that is like people just trying to just poor reporting about sex robots because it’s just you know it’s such a sensational topics of the medial pick it up and you know often report things that aren’t true like there’s one Infamous our love is all that I won’t say the name of it but got a lot of press about 10 years ago but yeah it’s it’s never really been questioning people who are following sex robot development have some questions about authenticity so what’s interesting about realbotix from the makers of real doll is that this is like this is sophisticated Robotics and it and it looks fairly realistic and it’s actually on sale it’s not just people talking about an idea that’s real and I mean it’s not Everyone likes the idea of these very like you know Barbie ass love dolls being programmed pre-programmed girlfriends or programs on sex toys of course it’s all so it’s it’s crazy in a way to think that you know we’re able to create very lifelike robots even if it’s just that it’s available this is Wellston yes to stirring up a lot for me because I’m the one the one hand i’m simultaneously the ultimate Luddite and deep ecologists then listen to see everything just dissolve back compost back into the Earth and start fresh but on the other side I have to say that you know the the money that’s breaking the world go around is going into startups in mostly Tech startups in holy spaces so the only the only hope that the the green freak hippie you know if people like me my never have is that we actually just write software that runs on these applications and if you know if we can make a robot girlfriend who teaches you Tasha and then when you have a real relationship you’re actually very well trained and it’s actually more like it’s raining like Marsh the way you would have a martial arts training dummy nobody nobody goes into much their students his look at all these perverse Effigies of humans that you’re punching like what what is I hear you guys are demented it’s like well we honored training and violence by violence Sports in combat but we don’t honor training and sexuality and I think I’d rather have rather have life replicas that actually teach my whole body how to move and hold weight and you know actually engaged in just a flat screen of pouring and they’re basically only touching a mouse and hunched over with bad posture on a computer screen if you compare those two options if there might be some salvation here but I’m not going to endorse anything for sale but I’m very curious about if you could just put in download a script and that script is something actually useful for therapy you know Sex Therapy could download its entire lexicon of techniques and make it psychoanalyze you and be your surrogate and do everything you know that and it could be trained by some of my colleagues to be really a net benefit to prisoners and you know that’s why I’m just breaking off have you ever covered any any any of that sort of what what are some feminists thoughts on on this stuff that are more open-minded I guess myself a feminist maybe if people don’t agree with my phone or go ahead and I don’t know and I think some guys who buy laptops to get a bad rap and it’s not people doing this and said there’s a therapeutic effect that can work you know people have a lot of sexual shame and Trauma right it’s not necessary always easy to talk to someone even if they love you even if you miss you’ll like they like you it’s exposing I’m not saying that we should all just talked to sex robots and that’s going to solve everything people have been seriously traumatized by shame and then you know there is a lot of sexual abuse that unfortunately happens in the world and if there’s a safe way for people to to kind of Express themselves in a non-threatening way and maybe with you know some type of therapeutic software that can kind of disgust or you know maybe anticipate be able to read you write like why why you might be talking in a certain tone or having certain gestures like maybe like something like maybe a therapist but you don’t make me crap like artificial intelligence might be even more better you know what one day and I think that that that That’s so exciting potential and it’s also while in the big giant loved all this is just one one type of sex robot that could be different ones that could really help people who want to explore their own sexuality and aren’t even thinking about that I’m not interested in the physical I’d be more interested in like you know the womanizer sex toy connected with like a super Advanced like Siri you know because it’s like that like the mental and that and there’s probably a pretty vanilla thing. But they know there can be some people with limited Mobility what she knows what will happen with a note to self pleasure and I think there’s people in all age groups will always be buying sex products and then that’s not saying everybody needs to get into the market it’s a great Market it shows that you know people as they age they still want sex but you know Mobility goes down it’s not it’s not like you I miss you and able-bodied and so I think there’s bad and there’s a waste for me exploring desires that you might be afraid of that that maybe are not simple at all like I really am interested in sex world where there’s different players like it’s like second like second life but people go into me and I have sex in it’s like you don’t need your body for that. I mean you either way of interacting with with the computer of course but you can be almost anybody you wanted and you can even try things that maybe you’re too scared of her maybe you really always wanted to do BTS on or he’s just talked to someone of the same sex and you want to have a virtual sex experience but you’re so like you’re worried about some of you like this virtual sex roles has fake almost like their own communities write a sex-positive there’s always see how the internet’s not completely safe place I’ll be asleep but there’s thought I think sometimes when you talk about sex robots are online but you know that but maybe it’s just people who don’t fit into this one way of sexuality that we’ve sort of been taught about at at you know and I like spending current 6. Can be just you know you want to you know sometimes you need to explore to know who you are or just inconsiderate and I think these type of technologies that are emerging are allowing people to express themselves sexually and so that enables people to be fully fully Express chinos on a human level and I think you know obviously is always important and necessary it’s just that there’s there’s a lot of good that can come out of exploring oneself in your kind of suffering up to this I mean at first glance do you know why I feel like all this is just it’s going to create Skynet scenarios perverted perverted Skynet scenario that I like afraid to even though but I’m going to counterbalance that that technophobia with also thinking about just right now as we speak I’m thinking about well how many people how many families and children are killed because drunk drivers on a Friday or Saturday night or are going out to a bar to try to hit on people to try to get laid and it’s like the harm the way that the current. I was like this over instead of being a cyber sex you know psycho sex an astronaut of or cyber not have cyber sex you know instead of that you’re going to have to do it the old-fashioned way which is get drunk and drive drunk to try to get laid at a bar and potentially have anal unwanted children or be spreading diseases or to have consent be blurred so there’s a lot of factors to compare this to us I really hope that when this is really start to roll out that there’s people taking really good doing really good research and and and covering it the way the way that you’ve been what not to be able to have compared the the research and just say hey if this is a way to reduce harm then there might be an advantage that you know just think about how much anything about how much violence and videogames and how much crime and then just Madness it’s been just put out within the video game space and if a fraction of that much of that technology and that funding went into technology that facilitates healthy stuff to sexual exploration and we will see a lot more Innovation and you know it said rather Embrace whatever is going on there then what’s going on with all of the violence in media and video games and you know work all kinds of War gaming of different kinds of things like just even having these conversations right to discuss like no deposit deposited but I think they like what exactly when you use a comparison like we’ll have a positive or how how productive for Humanity of society or other right so yeah any other patterns that your side’s the sex robots like I guess I’m sure you totally covered teledildonics and you know that’s probably something that people haven’t heard is it will be interesting to explore and then besides that any other I like to see their long-distance sex toys so that use haptic feedback so it’s suddenly like Gamers here you know if you have like one of those with these long-distance sex toys they’re meant for people to connect remotely what they do is that they have sensors in them that for I guess I owe you search how to roll sample because that’s where they’re normally marketed even though you can use them in different ways by state like there can be like interactive sex leaves I mean how could you know his number into one and the way that that moves it can affect how maybe and then vice versa and then I know some company mail devices you no work for penis having devices or you know dildos that they might operate with each other as well so there’s that I’m so or we I think it’s really been I think it’s mostly popular among cameras and so it’s we are always interested in focusing on relationships and intimacy so there is the development with tilted Onyx for men those toys are a bit better but no one’s for for you know that women are people who you know might like to try to be happy bodysuits where it’s not just genital to genital contact but you know incorporating different types of really interesting as well so gold Onyx is this is like Infamous tattoo has like that old is Onyx or the 268 Patton and it expires after it’s 20 year reunion this August about not exactly exact date about me goddess when it when it expires and so this is really significant because there I’m not sure if your readership is familiar with this but like space but there’s been like a number of projects that tried to get off the ground and you know really small startups that it’s a really interesting things with with with with not just with Tammy and I’m really pushing for it or you know development but unfortunately because there’s this really wide cotton cover is basically sexual communication over the Internet a lot of people have been sued or shut down in there if they’ve had to fight legal battles that you know that you know it’s the cost of the lawyers even if it’s pro bono I like one company like I think I think they did get off because they were looking for prior art and you know there has been you know the ideal tell the dogs existed before this time I actually was granted however they’ve been successful in suing people and people just cuddling cuz they don’t want to deal with you know all the legal problems that go with it so he was able to get it dropped to pay but if I don’t think it was a nice process were for the my balls it was not fun and I think they got scared people from entering the space in end or if they had on his face match lie angle to remain in the space after this August to see if people are really interested in tell hold on X or if you know if it was kind of holding it and it’ll be interesting to see how it grows I expect it’s going to grow more within live camming actually has more campsites have Incorporated tip activated sex toys so sexy that will that will basically for sponge to the sound of text so when someone is watching Aunt Pam performance that you know they tip and then whatever the tip or they will check my change the intensity or what device can do so exciting thing to look for and there’s this one of the trends because I think they’re not really marketed towards my body but I think it’s exciting and I’d like to see more in there I just don’t I’m not sure I’ve heard some people really like it arson but I think that like there’s much more sophisticated Technologies because I think with which is it was very low Fidelity like you all the sexual movements you can make and compared to a without quit that may be a smart dildo or smart Middlesex leaves can do is like you know there’s so much Lost in Translation so keep an eye on for next year well well I guess this makes me think they eventually they’ll probably have some sort of pressurized suit where you could actually just have a regular massage that way you don’t even erotic now is standing but it just seems like things are going to move in that direction anyway of just remote everything in the eyes I was even thinking now you’re saying this if if you were if you were wanting to do this more of a sexual therapeutic thing and you were in if it’s it’s like the it’s been very treacherous the territory of being surrogates and I’m sure the lot of the sex surrogates that have existed since it’s been legal least in the US has to have been in situations that they probably would have much rather had had some sort of mediation device that could actually perform physical manipulation of flesh but we’re not with them having to be right there you know in the room but that you could actually be like in like in some lab Booth where you’re behind the glass but there is a surrogate apparatus or likeness of a human or something that you can speak through with that you can move through and it will be kind of like a like a space suit or something but you’re not interview at those those robots that they put out the work on space stations if you could work on it unless someone sexually LDV and a harmful way and you could actually induce certain forms of somatic Therapies in that that might be even more scalable than trying to find the people brave enough to want to do that stuff cuz yeah I think this will hopefully go in that direction or this everybody will is Hedonism will be counterbalanced by the therapy going to be a big competition for a robot out of tar so that is heard about exercise but it also had funded project to make the first digital tricorder in with a Star Trek tricorder that basically diagnosis in the competition’s on what’s the guys name I forget what a multimillion-dollar basically tries to you know get these robot out of Hearts made it and I didn’t I don’t believe there’s any connection to sex but it’s more to help people in remote locations doctor service is or Nurse Services of course development and Technology happening with money behind it up some big implications for what’s possible all right well this is a whole nother I raised money to do a the first porn in space in are they raised I don’t know some percentage of their goal but that was interesting headline I sell alpaca should I I don’t know that it wasn’t quite there gold but yeah then I haven’t heard anything about whether or not happen but I’m sure it will eventually he’ll be in there and on top of that there was a harness device that would allow for zero gravity so that people could reproduce in space cuz if people thought is like what happens if you start to try to get it on I’m sure that’s enough to try but what if you end up swinging yourself across the space shuttle and then you lose the ejaculate in this is floating in the air NASA has spent sending it has already sperm to space just to basically see all the details but yeah they’re they’re wondering if it’s possible to reduce gravity going to affect reproduction is it going to make it as easy like how is sperm motility yes oh yeah and I mean that people are going to want to call and eyes Mars eventually or it’s not like they want to now so yeah I wonder they sex is coming just don’t know it is coming and no pun intended of well that’s interesting cool then see if we can assume any other so we got to tell the Don X and everybody’s pretty well are there any other innovations that we should be aware of I’m certainly yet I didn’t know there was that patent situation so I’m really kind of in the dark anything at this year please what’s interesting is just how in the last couple years or last year really there’s been just a lot more female lunch printer is coming and so I think that’s great because if you don’t like the pornography that’s out there but like granted it is at the clean a do you know you like a course in something about pornography with sex toys and sex tech products if you don’t marry the thing is is that there haven’t been so many going into it in the past the developers have been mail and she know that’s how that’s how it’s been but you know if you’re craving for that if you’re you know things for women that they haven’t liked so much more talk from an entrepreneur is making products and focusing on women’s pleasure in the in a sex-positive way which is really really important and in that kind of a kind of discussing the orgasm Gap and I don’t know if you know where the workout some tacos but it’s basically different studies that show different types of something like or just had her in sexual encounters I think men for the most part are like nine times out of ten they’re going to have an orgasm and then for women it’s in between one and two thirds of the time they’re going to have an orgasm so I mean it’s not like I always like to say it’s not all about orgasm there’s there’s more to Sexton that but just you know there is where is the discrepancy in and I don’t think there’s been enough focused on women’s pleasure and women focusing on their own pleasure okay because I know what you like and be open to just finding that out and so I’m just a really excited about how there’s this more women and sex text no putting their horses out there and if you don’t like their products which it which I I love products products I’m just saying like you know there’s this stuff there that’s that’s that’s happening it’s a great it’s a great thing to do if I guess right thing I wish there was more of us when I was growing up not sure I would have been if exposed to it because it’s hard to advertise when you are insects taxable I’d say it’s really positive it’s the adult performers sex check which they overlap but then there’s there’s different is that there are more women directors and creating Studios and I think I think that’s that’s great you know I think there’s more diversity the better and so about comes with like books of all backgrounds you know I think that the more people from different walks of life to develop products that are there software you know whatever it is a different really help cut down on the negative sexual things that happens with abuse assault that’s awesome. Do you have any on the platforms and the and we’re not to you that you publish on have you done a series or would you think about doing a series or anyting the chronicle sorted profiling women in insects take or women who are entrepreneurs in the space so that I will be happy thrilled to know more about than just be is that something that that you might do like a specific unit of focus on at some point so we can look into that later International women’s day we had a writer put together a peace sign about I think maybe 11 women in sex tech that you are doing interesting things and I hope we’ve also covered if you act like just serious but we do cover for a lot of different male female I mean he would but I guess they’re not going to find it but we just all genders in between and we’ve covered CEO Polly Rodriguez of Unbound and she’s really great shoes I don’t know if you’ve heard of her but she co-founded the women of sex tech community so she’s based in New York and Unbound is her company and it basically creates products for women and sell products for women’s pleasure and a really like it because it makes you feel good about yourself on their commercialism but you know that market in a way that it just because you know they’re really speaking to a demographics I think has been underserved well is that how Polly co-founded women have sex talking so it’s been like a networking group mostly for ladies who are or women identifying people to talk about problems and getting funny because I mean this is the times I’ve heard differing views and I’m not a funding sometimes and then with women going in there they might get treated a bit weirdly like they don’t really appreciate it or there’s just not as much interest in focusing or investing in Need for women’s pleasure but I think women are the future of sex. Net and we’ll have definitely have articles featuring women who are in it and then I think it’s women of sex tech stuff, and that’s just a bunch of women in sex tech or sex-related online projects that you know you might be interested if you don’t know a lot of women entrepreneurs in the space store in publishing online that’s cool I’m so I was at the crypto invest Summit in Los Angeles recently and there was a women in blockchain panel and there’s a number of there’s a really powerful really amazing women in the blockchain space were organizing and creating a different groupings in and just looking at a think it’s something like I don’t know where anywhere between effort numbers between only 2% of venture funding goes to women in Navy up two at the most like 10% but that’s probably generous so we have a long way to go and that’s that space is so much more I have a lot more hope for for transformation of culture through Venture funding when I do through replacing people on you know positions of authority and Power & politics to let you know that everywhere but I’m not really thrilled to know about that cuz I feel like yeah whatever whatever dystopian futuristic sex text scenarios might happen with really may be corrupted ingredient you know harmfully perverted men if their women in the space of Mino writing proposals and business models in business plans in pitching then hopefully more enlightened more feminist friendly future will be a that was my home okay so you’re moving along to another question so there has been it’s weird I feel like the green the go green kind of Boom it’s it’s almost like I don’t know I want I don’t want to call it a bubble but it seems like I remember in the late in the late 2000 and early 2000s around between 2822 I don’t know what you have wouldn’t wouldn’t say when it stops at any point but it did really kind of get big there was directors of sustainability positions opening up in all these different firms and I’ll and institutions and Recycling and just a sort of Renaissance of of the Earth Day by but it really got up the nerve is everybody wanted to go green and I don’t know if you get the sense of that sort of faded a bit from a Zeitgeist maybe people have gotten just more all about apps and all about smartphones and just like that in that movement and it around Elsa was big with the Inconvenient Truth coming out there and then being a I see a lot of celebrities speaking out about a lot more I think on the other half of the Earth but I’m noticing a gap I don’t know if you have noticed it but I’m curious now if you feel like in the specific unisex take space if there are people who are really coming out saying I hate let’s do this let’s do this development of psychological development for sexuality but let’s do it with certain environmental ethics and protocols in place as far as carbon footprint and as far as you know sustainability and sustainable products and materials and all but I feel like these people are really losing sight of the supply chain of Technology from ecological perspective I don’t know if you have any thoughts on that but for the sex tech industry I don’t think it has a great track record when it comes to sustainable projects or at least not in promoting them I imagine I think that if I had a better track record I hear about it cuz the pr people like to tell you what they’re doing great there is people like lovehoney they’re like and basically trying to make more vegan products so that’s not necessarily that let me hear me say that again like so it’s about regarding like semen safety and then making sure there aren’t animal products in your sex toys and I’m not an expert on that but there has been more discussion about vegan products and then and I think there’s some companies that really promote that is alternatives to leather like some type of a vegan alternative but yeah I don’t I don’t think it has a great track record I haven’t really heard much about it there are some 3D 3D printed 3D printing projects I’ll hear about every once in awhile and what kind of push like I’m an environmentalist point of you sometimes because I’m guessing you’ve heard of Eco sexual arousal stainable 3D printed sex toys that they people can fit themselves and any use out outside historic site right now project was called dildo at yourself idea of you know generally instead of mass producing a million sex toys like one-size-fits-all with 3D printing you know there’s more customizability so that’s that I think 3D printing has but just so you know it’s just because you 3D print something it doesn’t mean you should put it in your 30s to be like a protective coating put on auctions increases the technology gets better you will have to do all this DIY stuff. I got a clitoris 3D printed because there is an open source 3D printing projects to get that. I’m basically just to raise awareness because you know most of the clitoris is internal and people don’t know that and they don’t realize like they see just one little thing about that looks like underneath so I got that I don’t have a 3D printer but I went to something called like three beehives and basically it just links you to people in your area I’m in a very like safe manner I felt that are able to print designs for you and decent cost so I mean back something as well instead of like that can change how business is done because you don’t need to buy your own face 3D printer you there are going to be already are in this going to be more and if so needed to spend all the money you can get somebody else to do this and I don’t think the guy who cares right I want to get princess just a personal services so there’s it’s possible that is really cool I feel like if you could through and I have never thought about that really you know I’m kind of cynical and jaded and in my old old-fashioned but isn’t didn’t really think about how great it would be if there were even somehow edible totally organic totally cruelty-free edible ingredients to take to create these shapes with using machines like that mean I could be something that gives Pizza waiting two years for a part to arrive you can know we have the skin the scheme of anything friendship you know when the anti-globalization movement failed to stop the sort of thumb race to the bottom of wages where the sweatshops of the world with the lowest environmental standards for materials is like all of this plastic stuff that’s being manufactured in sweatshops and then shipped back to the US if the 3D printer can make that entire the bottom dropped out of that market because it’s so cheap as it is but if you could eliminate all of those Logistics by the way you’re saying like a localized distributed open source way to get the same sort of 99 cent store that you have your own 99 cent store in your garage take out that whole corrupted supply chain of international trade that’s really not with what is not healthy for the time but the news like bioprinting and I think people are the really interested in the house applications of of regenerative Technologies and Technologies and I think that there is no try that is possible to create it’s going to be possible at least a crate pills that are for like really targeted for the person so instead of giving like everybody like this is just a standard dosage know some people need different Doses and elderly people are often prescribed medications and so will you just expect another slice of this type of printing it has so many applications that can really enhance like you know what you said you could help get rid of fireman by cutting out all that transport and you know hopefully make fruit quality of life as well as medicine very good very good so I think whoever do with all that stuff a couple questions I have here if we have a few more minutes to get to wrap up I think we covered I was going to ask if you would share some with some women like space but it sounds like we got some good resources for that we laid out and I appreciate that so people can follow up and and look at those and then I guess the met the last question will be if you yourself had a blue sky budget to develop the start-up of your dreams and their futuristic sex text space What would be one of your dream projects if you’ve ever been in a brainstorming about it yeah well it’s a big question I would say yeah I think for for sex tech me to get payment and Publishing done on our own terms and stop Outsourcing like for instance you know trying there’s some people Facebook doesn’t allow any sex advertising or it could be something really likes a fish for work basic it is not like it’s hard to advertise the banks and I’m peanut processors they can just freeze your account and so I think something I mean maybe it wouldn’t be blockchain we would have to develop something but with the Sky High budget I just think that is made for and by the sex tech industry so that we’re not reliant on you know people who don’t have necessarily the intellects Experience open my Nest help a Dolores extech Industries you know so I understand why some companies want to get Facebook eyes but you know I don’t I think that’s just open a can of worms in a bit because it’s what’s good sex what’s bad sex should Facebook me to finding that and just in terms of online publishing a 90% about enchiladas Revenue goes to like Google or Facebook the duopoly so again if you’re publishing picture people are making money but it’s mostly those two people and so I think the way to circulate this I don’t think we should be like cow coloring to these big big companies that have all this power but not necessarily open-mindedness and I totally agree with that it’s a huge pain point and someone that I’ve certainly been let me know what I can say for personal experience I’ve had videos go viral on the more mainstream platforms that I shall not name but the second they really go viral they get deplatformed and that could have been career-changing for me you know if you have to build an audience so maybe it’s funny because Yahoo started out very much a highly trafficked adult almost classified platform if I’m not mistaken but there was there was a sort of kick-starting bootstrapping golden age of adult in the early days of the internet that got quickly sort of extinguish I don’t know why they don’t just have an official vetted adult only access sphere of their own Enterprises even if it’s a subsidiary with a different name or something if they have some distance from you know politically or something but they’re definitely missing out you know I don’t know why they don’t figure out how to make their algorithms could do anything I mean your algorithms good figure out how to only serve with I mean cuz I just wiped out a lot of they demonetized a lot of of content producers who run anything that could possibly be controversial for advertisers but why not just say oh you’re up you’re a right-wing gun that freak you know that whatever will hear is you get all of those ads and Penny Play Say Something for everybody so and I’m not putting that down imma you know that there’s there’s I’m just an example of what some of what gets with what get some persecuted by that but yeah I totally agree with that and I do feel like hopefully blockchain and you know these new permissionless content platforms like steam at for example as a good example publishing platform where you can get paid for your content and they just have a very intuitive there it is checkbox for not NSFW right and that’s it that’s all you need to know self-select I don’t know if it’s the community can can certify a gate but then it doesn’t get deleted it just goes into that not-safe-for-work category in that is all you really need a break myself but yeah that that’s a great a great idea hopefully everything will come to you to help the guy that process and you know actually know if I just have one less thing to put out there since I have you on the line and the folks who are the fans of your work might might get into this I don’t know if this is been done yet I don’t see how it seems like it would be the easiest no-brainer sort of fork of some sort of Open Source Code for a nap but basically you bringing bringing sex tech Down to Earth for my ecosexual perspective that I would love to see there be an app that’s exactly like Airbnb but what it specializes in is connecting people who are like glamping you know but for sex places where you can have sex in nature and go to a place in private property that is a place where you can go and feel free at this like like monetizing private 611 Tantra temples but but at the very least just feel like I’ve got a bunch of land with you know a cabin on it and I would love for people couples or whoever to go out there and have their full moon rituals and not be bothered people gawking at them or you know complaining about it and they can be as you can be as loud as you need to be to really go deep with sexuality which we also do not have the access to seal open up you know what their vocal cords as much as feel free being naked and Nathan Wyld so yeah let’s have an airbag recall are birds and bees like that so cool well hopefully yeah all of our dreams come true here to certainly plenty of plenty of resources being thrown around and now in the crypto Stacy know I’ve never seen so many hundreds of millions of dollars / around the planets online exchanges they never before so they do you know if there’s a will there’s a way let’s get well let’s hope for the best and certainly be optimistic about the potential for anything now yeah cool said you’re going to give your websites and Sandy final closing words anything else before we sign off your podcast cuz I’ve been a fan for a while so it’s nice to be here and you want to check out the 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Net we’re just vamping to be a responsive shame I know it took so long but it’s going to look a bit different soon if you are visiting today it’s not responsive just yeah you’re still a sex-positive future dates or anything we should be aware of I definitely can see YouTube easy easy for most corresponding all these matters I had no clue about a lot of this stuff and I’m so thank you for enlightening us and we will definitely be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Tantra Punk. Com Damas de