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Sweet Sage, Micro Chinampas, SUV Wheel Barrows and More Land Lessons TPP252

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In this episode I share more land lessons and updates focusing on a stainless steel sink to aquaculture conversion, sweet sage, and more

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

Rural farmsteading survival retreat project

using a salvaged dual basin giant commercial grade stainless steel sink, its a dream micro green seed starting, and potentially micro chinampa aquaculture, microcosm of the earth experiment

post plastic in horticulture, eliminate vectors of carcinogens, goddess knows what other ungoddessly things go into these colors, mixtures

supply chains of plastics, stuff coming from less regulated countries, its really problematic, toxic, I don’t trust it I don’t like it, it’s hideous, eye sore, feel negative vibrations coming from this ill gotten material

I’m a purist or snob, so be it, spiritual purification, karmic purification, the more local, the more organic, the more fashioned with hand tools the better

algo of trained permaculturalist, there’s a frame work of how ethical, how toxic, everything has a different ranking in ways of analyzing and assessing the threat vector

anything stainless steel is gold, to me its worth more than gold for my purposes, who knows I have to look in to culinary applications of gold, maybe it is superior, in any case when I say this unused by salvaged, stainless steel giant sink, it’s a monster, its great

if you can imagine this, guided meditation here, could be a system that could literally actually provide for a huge percentage of my food intake, calorie, macro nutrient, micro nutrient

excited to see how much production I can get out of the system, journey of imagining

I don’t know how many gallons but basically probably like between 2-4 cubic feet of space in each basin, several cubic feet of water in basins, then there’s a couple inches, probably a good 2 to 3 maybe 4 square feet of space on either side of the basins, like a table top, but there’s this lip that comes up the top, you could fill the basins,

water would go above the basins, extra couple of inches that spans the left and right, higher flat surfaces, that makes two different depths, so much like what you’re wanting to do in designing a full size pond, mimic natural earth formations, the outer perimeter gradation of shallow areas, different plants like different levels of depth of water

so the more gradations of shelves in a pond constructed, designer pond the better so that you can actually have plantings at different levels

in this case with that two inch area at either side of the basins that’s where you can have micro greens that are subirrigated

if you keep water level topped off, two big shallow ends and two big deep ends, the seed starting can happen in the thin shallow area

being post plastic, I’m thinking those little tera cotta pots, putting sand in the submerged part, then potting soil or seed starting mix above the water level, it will be consistently moist but will not drown the roots

giving them a gradation, from total submersion to moist, to drier as you get towards the top of the organic growing medium, soil, compost or sifted mix

that’s gonna be a hedge against the dry climate where, nursery in a climate this dry, desiccating winds, draw moisture away, this buys time you have time to take trips away, its a reservoir

that your growies are in

I first saw this done probably back in 2009 at a friends farm where they had a green house, subirrigation set up, lot of seedlings in those 4 inch plastic pots

I mostly used plastic, long storage trays those have worked well, though in the sun, plastic is a problem, if it’s getting beaten by the sun, it just turns to peanut brittle, it just breaks apart

this is a dream come true, to have this sink thing to work with, pulled it out of a trash heap, dusted her off

it’s got some holes, doesn’t have legs, not in ideal places, but got it hoisted up and next thing will be to experiment with a non toxic way of patching these holes

I’ll leave it a surprise, it may be a laughable embarrassing experiment, I’ll spare myself the humiliation, if it works I’ll be very proud to announce it

you could do so many things to have the most hygienic toxin free growing set up and you’ll end up using some component of some kind, for plumbing, or irrigation or patching something and you’re introducing another, no matter how hard you try , even the rubber sink stoppers you lose a point on that

unless if what I’m trying to do seal the holes works, I can use it on the stoppers

I’m not trying to be hypochondriac, or super neurotic, I’m just at a point where it’s more about art, there’s an artisanship, a standard of integrity I want to now aspire to, slow down to a pace of where I’m not trying to cut corners

I’ve grown food in buckets, feed chickens with road cones, I remember what those things smelled like after a day in the sun, I’m over it, no I’m over it, it’s worth it to have a this more refined and elegant experience

if I want to have a healing center where people go to experience nourishment at a higher standard, also the alchemy the intention, it matters

eliminating those variables I’m ready for it

whatever excuses I had before, urban guerrilla gardening, everything’s salvaged from the waste stream

this is an opportunity

to be a more refined more mature

moving on to other things

it was nice to have already prefabricated perfectly sized sifting apparatus, hardware cloth, about ½ square grid, more sturdy, and smaller cell mesh

mainly sifting compost so you can get smaller grain material

so seedlings, sprouts don’t have to work too hard to push around, they’ll do it they’ll break through concrete, but why not make it easier

the feel the joy of sifting compost, spiritual alchemy, really a nice meditation to do that, go through that process,

there’s this deluxe, almost double the size of the volume of a normal wheel barrow, two wheels, still tilts up and down, one of the most ergonomic , it’s like an suv or a truck, of a wheel barrow

this sifter that was already made, a frame of one by one, I don’t know where you would see them, almost like, more like 1.5, a little more than 1 inch, about the width of the stake if you were to imagine the stakes that go through a vampires heart, like the ones in Lost Boys, 1x1s or there abouts

looks like a window frame, some people add extra hardware or extra miter cuts to make it more sturdy

sifter just drops on top of the suv wheel barrow so you can shovel loads of compost on it

lift, shape, rubbing circles, instant breast massage training system, is it just me am I just a pervert? Or am I doing the Mr. Miyagi, wax on wax off version of tantra, could be a breasts, could be a gay butt massage, I’ve done it all

any time you have a chance to sift compost it will up your game in the bedroom and on the massage table

enjoy that process and know you’re being a part of the care that’s gonna make whatever you plant very happy, whatever seeds you’re trying to grow, you’re doing them a favor

I do believe I stumbled on a couple of mullein plants, I won’t give a huge discourse on mullein , I’ve used in herbal cigarettes, helps to quit smoking

kicking the habits of nicotine cigarettes, what to still have the ritual, I’ve had herbalist friends, lovers, who’ve done amazing jobs with transitional herbal cigarettes, they’d argue beneficial for the lung, certainly not as harmful or addictive, I enjoyed it, it was uplifting, adding value in a way more holistic sense

people are gonna smoke weed, why not through in some other herbal ingredients

I’ll have to have someone on to talk about it sometime

I’ve phased in and out of smoking cigarettes, at least since 2016, 2017, its been a couple years at least since I could no longer stomach cigarettes at all, I’ll tell that story another time

mullein it’s an amazing fuzzy soft totally adorable, stoked to find that, and encourage that and look for it in other places,

also very exciting there are at least 2 or more varieties of sage

mexican sage, I’ve worked with it before in my landscaping career, been able to score a bunch of it, it’s weird, when you burn as a smudge, it actually kinda smells in a good way like tobacco if you have any affections towards it, I do

I don’t like the smell of what smokers end up smelling like and I was one of them, it’s not like the ash tray smell, it’s the best of the aromatics of tobacco smell,

doesn’t seem to be used as a smudge, but because I came up on a bunch, I thought I’d try it, it’s definitely not like the epic white sage, which I will be planting on the land

so mexican sage, that’s there

I was told, this other variety, was called sweet sage, I feel like someone just told me there’s another planet in the galaxy and the planet is even more lush than earth, discovering this sage, it really upstages white sage, the why it smells, alive on the bush and also the smudge factor of it, I don’t know how I’ve never encountered it before, never even heard of it before, to me it’s the earth’s fucking best kept secret, the most epic, beyond white sage, smudgable, I’ll have to look into it’s other uses

I’m sure the natives really made the most out of this plant, it’s amazing

I have to book up on the latin names, and actually I have somebody I will be asking about it next week, who is an absolute geek expert on all things california native sage

hopefully you’ll love it as much as I do and steward it’s natural habitat and want it to flourish

if you love white sage like I love white sage, and you could imagine that it’s possible that something could even take you further into that realm of absolute heart melting love of a plant for its properties, of purification of the mind, the smoke of it, the smell of it

probably one of the bigger highlights

there’s more on my list which is great, I could rush and try to cram in a bunch more, but I’m going to take my time

so be it, I hope its not torturous to hear me wax poetic about this permaculture stuff, hopefully it gets you excited about exploring your neighborhood more, no excuse not to get immersed in wildness, participate in nature by gardening

thank you for joining me as I expound upon my new loves in this ecological romance, I’ll try to do this at least once a week depending on what else is lined up

definitely at least once a week, the list grows everyday, hopefully I’ll never be caught up, and I’ll never feel rush to cram and short change any of these fun and exciting things

again I want to exercise the imagination, so many times in a day when I think about when I was trying to pump my numbers on social media,

when I was addicted to social media posting, I’m so glad I’m not abusing every moment, just me, no offense, me talking about my own experience

as a primitivist I’m supposed to not be into technological mediation, doesn’t mean I’m not gonna use computers, the internet, but I’m not gonna drink all the kool-aid at once

I used to post so many pictures of lots of cool stuff, but I’m going to use this opportunity to exercise the imagination, and the ability to verbally describe

healthy, deeper, more beautiful practice to a be a story teller

maybe someday you’ll visit and see with your own eyes, or discover in your own vicinity, value to verbalize this stuff rather than just spoon feeding it out with photographs

following up with comments, they deserve the best, but I think there’s a more elegant place to be in and I’m enjoying it and it’s working my imaginal, and descriptive and literary muscles, I hope you’re as in love with live as I am

Green House Repair, Tool Treasure Hunt, and More Land Lessons TPP247

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In this episode I share more from my list of updates and observations working on a permaculture project

My Non Verbatim show notes:

Don’t want to say full time

full spirited, full assed, full hearted

quality of attention, quality of design

subtleties

beautiful experience to be doing hard work, then pause whenever you feel like it

track an animal, meditate on a thought

or realize you’re doing something wrong and have to correct it

99 hours of design 1 hour of work

experience of repairing the hope house, large green house, provides shade protection from sun, rain, plastic sheeting and shade cloth

long half circle structure frame, walk into, looks like an aircraft hanger, giant commercial industrial ag land size

tend to get battered by sun, rain, this one had seen better days, weight from rainfall, pockets and pools of rainwater, adding stress and pressure onto the frame until part of it gave it

it did take down one of the main supports, could only walk about half way through it, just as wanna be Feng shui

geek, one of first things I did, create pathway conducive to moving through with wheel barrows

as an access point, had to do macguevering, more resistance than I expected being able to put it back up, hoped to be able to just get some leverage with a broom handle, that was not happening based on sheer weight of it, impossible to bend back into shape properly, able to rig together a floor jack to get clearance, opened up the path way, just a few inches of lift so you could easily walk through without ducking, it could stand on the side and hold it up, an adventure to figure out, beholding that moment when you create a clearance in a blocked area, that’s the kundalini magic, what a difference it makes when you have the infrastructure of free movement, metaphorical as well as quite literal removal of blockages, by any means necessary, for now not hindering access, and ability to practice the art of permaculture

its been an interesting meditation going through process of sorting through what’s become junk, the fact of life on any kind of rural ag land, generations and generations of stacked layers of dilapidated

, tools hardware, food wrappers, all kinds of madness, whereas a lot of people, myself at different stages, look at some of these heaps and feel really distraught, it’s been a breath of fresh air, something to sink teeth into, meditation aid, sort through and find gems, treasures, all these tools, that’s money that doesn’t have to be spent, just loved and restored and maintained, tested, higher state of repair, that’s just more assets more and more capital that make me feel even wealthier than I am, adventure, scavenger hunt

doesn’t feel that good to go and buy brand new tools, you have to really go out of your way and have a high budget to purchase items that are brand new

still to this day, a percentage of everyday goes into that process of sorting and seeking and finding new fun stuff, super exciting, exciting to find dank compost, mulch, find cuttings that have been planted, that are flourishing in overgrown areas

a lot of updating that needs to happen to spruce the place up, there was a peak state of of maintenance of all the plantings, all the permaculture zones, due to unforeseen circumstances, personal matters, its needed more love than has been available to it, this property, for awhile, that’s where I come in, be that booster shot of love, zipping around tiding things up, sorting and organizing

aha moments of discovering you recognize a plant, it’s hanging in there, you can promise it will have a home planted in the soil, good shade good moisture, good nutrients

cuttings, seedlings hoping to get in the ground this season, very invigorating, soul building, people out there that don’t feel useful to anything or anyone, planting things is the easiest way to feel useful to something

there’s no limit to how much you can love a plant and how much a plant can love you

while sweeping up, in the main hoop house area, there was a time when I had to be on a phone call, arguing, a c level argument of myself and a fellow creative business partner, very refreshing to be multitasking on my own time, on my own clock, my time, doing my work, multitask and roll with the frictions of creative minds butting heads, ultimately seeking alignment, this is the life I can have, I can do the Hollywood hustle as long as I’m far away from the urban madness, and actually enjoying my chores doing my clean up, multitasking with farm chores while grinding gears with contracts, not feel like a net loss

spent a lot of time cooped up in stuffy office cubicle environments have partner debates, if you ever get the chance, dancing too, I may be pacing a little bit, but every time I pace I’m doing some more sweeping, comedic to watch

maybe see people walking their dogs having business convos in the city

a few more things worth mentioning for this catch up, I’m not the biggest birder in the world, don’t have much knowledge of bird id, amazing action of predatory birds doing their thing, amazing aerial maneuvers, always looking up and remembering for most animals, most life on earth life doesn’t have to be more complicated than the honest living of seeking a meal

here there’s next level rubberized chicken wire, usually gives me creeps, tries to a find a way to get a little too close for comfort on sharp edges

trashy look, this stuff is less obvious at a distance, less sharp, safer

duty to try to find balance between rustic americana and white trash, don’t want to look like a junk yard, better have story, soul, character, black rubberized chicken wire, next level upgrade, less noticeable at a glance, tuck away that loud metal wire

I want to be post fence, post wire, and that feeling of being in an agriculture prison colony for enclosures, mainly to protect vulnerable livestock, in poor countries may not even have fencing material, have to use organic fences, fast growing shrubs and bamboo, it’s a luxury to not use those cheap materials here and evolve to a less prisony looking landscape

discovered air pruning pots that prevent the self strangulation of plant roots in black pots, air holes allow roots to know the boundaries and to stop trying to circle around, more natural growth pattern

feel better about long term health of the planets

more mother load ground scores of hidden compost piles, save me time, money, and energy to work with

finding lots more rosemary, part of my daily culinary/medicinal lifestyle

wanting to really move away from plastic as much as possible, clay pots, glass, whole set of stainless steel serving trays

subirrigation strategy, sterilish substrate, that can create a miniature wetland environment for starting seeds, saturate the bottom, organic matter on top, less organic matter decomposing underwater, if the organic matter is above that more sterilish medium, can afford to have more water and not wastewater running off through drainage wholes, having done it right have very vigorous, strong, happy healthy seedlings, ongoing supply of moisture, they’re not constantly going through shock of near drying out

lots of frogs, met my first couple of big toads out here, really stoked to see these beneficial predators around, the ones if you continue to provide them the right habitat, they’ll manage pests, maintenance in the garden

very stoked to find vermaculture composting bin, worm bin, transmuting food scraps from kitchen, any organic matter, best when kept moist, daily use of kitchen green waste, not so much dairy or meat for worm bin, avoiding garlics and onions and relatives, avoid citrus, mostly green waste, fruits and veggies they love to propogate to their hearts content, you can harvest the leachate, harvest, next level you can run filtered/dechlorinated water through the worm bin and create own diluted compost tea from that, very prized product for a number of uses, creating a smoothie for soil organisms, been a huge part of my life for many years now, one’s here very exciting, can hit the ground running so to speak

getting to know some of the neighborhood dogs, becoming friendly with the dogs of the land, never been surrounded by as many coyotes, seeing them move around even during the day, hear coyotes going nuts even in the afternoon

this is where the prana really comes from

 

Mindfulness, Nature Immersion, and The Pacific Crest Trail with Jessica Moon TPP241

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Jessica Moon In a Boat Smiling

In this episode I’m joined by Jessica Moon for a conversation on mindfulness, nature immersion, and hiking the Pacific Crest Trail for 5 MONTHS!

About Jessica:

Jessica Moon is a Stress Management Coach who focuses on Mindfulness and Nature Immersion as vehicles for powerful healing and evolution. From many years in corporate America to hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, Jessica has a broad range of life experiences that has provided her the insight to guide and transform in her one on one coaching practice. She is an advocate for mental health awareness and diversity in the outdoors, and active in building her local community.

Instagram: @jessicamoonco

My (non verbatim) notes:

TP: Jessica Moon, old dear friend, along the ride of tantra punk journey since very beginning around 2013, was shocked to find that name hadn’t already been turned into some sort of persona online, hopefully I’ve done my best

she’s way beyond a supportive friend, an inspiration, somebody who’s kept me on a very ethical and conscious path, has given me lots of great feedback

talk about her path, eco psychology, forest bathing, many ways to look at benefits of spending time in nature, deep personal journeys of long distance hiking

extra bonus, you might recognize her silky voice as the voice of the outro on all of my episodes, does a wonderful job of doing the wrap up details, its a treasure to have that mystery voice be on the podcast

JM: working on getting people outdoors, help people see benefits of being immersed in nature, millennials , anyone can benefit, remove barriers to help people really benefit

start when I younger and in college I was a sexual health peer mentor for my university, worked with my peers to educate them on health topics, disseminated health and hygiene products through the outreach center, help become more empowered

after graduated, joined nature center, help plan ecological programs and events, natural conservation for the city, got to work with variety of people

it was a very beautiful experience to be intimately connected with these people, very active motivated hikers, some people who’d never spent time even at a park

really wanted to help people have a more enjoyable, more intimate experience with natural world

then got into corporate world, for about 5 years, it was good to learn a lot of skills, but definitely aching, stress, heaviness of not having that immersion that I used to have

caught up in career, societies idea of success, lost connection with self, deep connection with natural world

year, decided to hike pacific crest trail, had been training, reconnecting with mountains, beaches, when I took the leap, and left for the trail, such a transformation from being immersed in the wilderness, back country for 5 months, feel completely at peace now that I’ve had that experience, affirmed, not everybody can take that much time off their life

but any amount of time is so beneficial, now that I’m back, into the science, philosophy, how to get more nature time into our busy lives, liberating motivating

TP: want to get into the drama of this whole arch of preparing, doing some permaculture the other day, mentioning we were gonna talk about this, the PCT, how do people survive, you can’t bring a semi truck water tank that drives behind you, what are the amenities on the trail, he said people will send selves care packages, I don’t really have a clue

JM: the resupply logistics, first, instead of one really long trip, think of as series of 3 to 5 day, sometimes more than 7 days depending on snow, how quick you hike, generally 3 to 5 days, given that , hiker hunger, metabolism working so hard, never felt hunger like that before, if you think about it as you’re going town to town, long series of small backpacking trips, you can self packages ahead of time, my strategy was I resupplied in town, if you’re lucky, supermarkets, sometimes just gas station, generally you know, or if you didn’t ask around, anticipate that, if you go get into a town with a big grocery store, buy food, ship it forward, only did for really small towns, didn’t want to eat pop tarts and snicker bars, backpacking food, if you don’t go really expensive route, has a lot more nutrients compared to options like instant ramen, after a while, can’t eat this any more, try to mix it up, hit up bulks, blessing to find bulk section, keeping an open mind, would have been hard if I had any dietary restrictions if I was vegan or gluten intolerant, I would have done more sending myself ahead of time, its really not that much cheaper or convenient to send yourself the boxes ahead of time, you’re tastes change

you don’t have a car, last thing you want to do is walk more

TP: from prepper survivalist world, lot of people in fantasy land, vision of how their gonna be so fit, prowess, bad ass, when zombie apocalypse happens, but they’re not conditioning in the mean time, but the experience of doing this endurance drill, makes me think everything has to be so tightly economized, efficiency, variables to consider, you’re probably better prepared for anything to go wrong, then people who make a whole life style out of being a prepper, tripping me out

could you tell me about some of the sort of dietary life hacks that you came up with, as some one doing this frugally, out of necessity, on a budget, how to have healthy food and not junk food

JM: does take a toll, body type can’t just eat anything, when I was on trail, I was like omg I can eat chips and candy, I really felt terrible, I really need to take care of myself, I was like okay I really need to change the trajectory of my nutrition, took a lot of supplements, glucosamine , multivitamin, try to pick up juice shakes, I needed that because when you’re on the trail, you have to consider weight right, weight expense and convenience

for example, you can get tuna packets, just a staple for hikers, thing about them, not terribly expensive, but not cheap either, on cost, in the circle of the through hikers, most people agree it’s about $1000 a month, on a tighter budget its possible to hike less, you’re gonna be spending less time in town, if you’re a social person its a fun part of the experience to explore the town

if you’re on a tight budget its definitely possible to do the hike on less, buy the food in bulk previously

dehydrating food at home and sending forward, people get sick of the same food, but you can spend a lot more on the trail as well, stay in hotel, one bed vs 6 hikers, or alcohol, or deserts, depends on person, average person not super luxurious is about $1000, barrier to entry is not accessible to everybody, it is a big trip, felt very privileged that I had opportunity

TP: bullet points, staple macro nutrients, can feel you on the weight and price, on that path as urban survivalist, trying to figure out what my pallet will enjoy and what my guts will handle, I could have the most Bourgeoisie, organic fresh catered diet to the maximum degree of what I know is the ideal, but if I did that I wouldn’t be able to do anything else, joke about “whole paycheck”

but I do believe in my heart of hearts that there are life hacker ways to have extreme frugality, but have extreme nourishment, bulk, group buys, I’m curious for you, fats, proteins, carbohydrates in that framework, stuff you could tolerate the longest, didn’t make you sick, sweet spot of weight and cost, ramen doesn’t cut it

JM: biggest thing for me, that I bough dehydrated vegetables, basically a soup mix, in bulk, just add it to everything, find the vegetables that you like, if you have a dehydrator, I would say incorporating vegetables into your diet no matter what, can eat dried meat, jerky, bison bars, sausage, tuna or chicken pouches, but if you just have that, you’re lacking that balance,

really enjoyed dried, pre prepared beans, really not that expensive, compared to bison bar, or higher end nut butters, just dried beans, make sure they’ve been dehydrated as cooked beans, they’re like bean flakes, if you’re vegan or something, or if body can’t tolerate fat anymore, its really high fat out there, powered humus also an option

sunflower seeds are really cheap

also drink powders, couldn’t handle the sugar, protein powders keep you full

cheeses work really well, lactose intolerant, but a popular lunch was a flour tortilla, summer sausage, and hard cheese

things like spam, powdered eggs, dehydrated milk, I really enjoyed dried veggies, dried fruits

chilli mangos was a treat, new technologies for much lighter, dehydrated and freeze dried veggies and fruits

really liked raw stuff, everything was so dry, and processed, but things like nutritional yeast, everything but the bagel package, sauce packets, miso soup, chicken noodle soup, powdered taco mix

lots of sodium and preservatives, but they’re light, cheap, last a long time, if in a pinch they have something to offer

I just bit the bullet and got green juices, or super food mixes whenever I could afford it

avoid ramen, so many other things available, entire bagels, last for a few days, instant rice and potatoes, always a staple, nan flat bread, corn tortillas don’t last very well, whole slices of bread, couscous was really popular

you have you’re good old trail mix, mixing it up and making it different, you really start to despise it

TP: shifting into more paleo and keto trend if you will, and so I’ve been experimenting a lot with build seeds, grinding into a more palettable form, powdered tahini, from bulk sesame seeds, grinding down to pumpkin seeds, mixing with coconut oil, like bread and butter, get that experience but it’s low carb, more protein, then having that fat, thinking about weight factor

were people bringing tubs of coconut oil or was it just too much weight, olive oil or other oils, calorie dense but you can’t eat that that much of it

JM: lots of oil, add a scoop of coconut oil to your meal, delicious, add more calories, seen people carrying full glass bottle of hot sauce, to spice things up, seen someone carry a glass jar of coconut oil

when for lighter right

went for single use coconut packets, a light way to incorporate into meals, trying to avoid highly processed carbs, I don’t make me feel that great

nuts, sunflower seeds, chia hemp and flax seeds also in my diet

they’re just delicious

TP: sprouting seeds and recycling water?

JM: read about a woman who sprouted just in a tupperware, poked holes, put a piece of cheese cloth, had fresh greens all week

broccolli, peas, lentils, alfalfa, also there was a time where there was a bunch of rain, miners lettuce foraging in oregon, what if I just threw some of that in to my ramen

TP: what level of foraging is legal/desirable, plant ID nerds, not gonna survive 100% but hope they wouldn’t be too restrictive about that kind of stuff

JM: I really can’t say, if we’re allowed to, it’s a protected trail, but in oregon you have to have a permit to forage for wild mushrooms, also, I definitely eat the huckleberries on the trail that were everywhere, just so many

TP: some things are invasive too, its a benefit

JM: thank you these giant berries we’re going into the trail

if I had a little more confidence in local flora and fauna, know for sure you can’t hunt, if it was permissible I’d totally lead a group, let’s get launch, wild mustard, miners lettuce, local invasive plants, didn’t have personal experience foraging, other than the berries

TP: people not yet in romance with nature yet, remember when I didn’t feel a romance with nature, grew up playing in woods, at the beach, wasn’t a deep yearning to connect with something I’d never known, didn’t feel deprived, took it for granted, video games started to eat my childhood, I don’t want to say disenchanted, I can commiserate with the people who feel like they feel more excitement from video games, socializing, hipster strips, when go out to nature I’m bored, cynical earlier in life, then rekindled romance through gardening, seeking healing, would love to have you in your words, help people feel into the shifts and transformation and deep soul tissue healing that’s happening, if you could romanticize the journey

JM: I think just to start it off, if you’re not in love, or find yourself bored, but you’re stressed out, want to work on health, nurture it better, just like to share, some of the research that is, where we are right now with nature immersion is where yoga was, in terms of more mainstream, widespread, growing body of research combined with intuitive understanding, tipping point, health researchers, government, very progressive, bring nature to people’s every day lives, it can lower stress hormone levels, reduce nervous system arousal, enhance immune system function, decrease anxiety, improve mood, help with aggression, accelerate healing

highly stimulated in this world now, if you want to try, give it a chance, big study, 20k people, people who spent 2 hours a week in green spaces, parks, neighborhood with a ton of trees, just hanging out and removing yourself from urban environment, traffic, noise, any kind of natural environment, either all at once or spaced out, like taking 10 minutes on launch break, fresh air, giving self space

attention restoration theory, allows brain to restore, allows cognition, your brain giving it space and time to relax, when you go back to desk or work, cognition levels are much better

little things like that, if you’re not someone who gets super excited, its such an easy thing, give yourself 10 minutes, 2 hours a week spread out, try it

when we make something important, our health, mental health, emotional states, spiritual states, at very least, relax and think, relax and not think, taking time to do that, make it important, have that connection with natural space it will begin to show itself to you

a friend that is not trying to tell you what to do with your life, or unsolicited advice, they’re just there, allow you to work through whatever you’re going through

natural world all of the patterns that exist in that space are things that as humans we’ve evolved with, all very familiar

one quote I really love, from scientist who was a pioneer for forest bathing Japan, “we are visually fluent in the patterns of the natural world, because we evolved in the scenery of the natural world we can process its patterns easily, it is this fluency that relaxes us”

TP: stress less, talk to the nature painting, talk to the landscape

JM: with my own business, researching so much, why isn’t this more popular, why isn’t this more well known

allow attention to restore our brains, to chill out, thinking tests better, in New York, some crazy busy place, even just looking at pictures of nature, videos, listening, put on headphones listen to nature sounds

all of that is beneficial, so it’s like why not

not the most stimulating, in terms of instant gratification, but if you make your health, mental health, emotional state, a priority, 10 minutes a day for you to level up

TP: PSA for gamers, as of just very recently Santa Cruz has joined Oakland, decriminalize entheogenic plants and fungi, the whole suite of plant derived entheogens, still federally highly regulated, but just like cannabis, this movement is growing very fast, #decriminalizenature, I feel like for me what shift was the romance with nature 10xed when I started to integrate dancing in the garden with psychedelics, because all of that dopamine you’d get from slaying dragons in a video game world, you’ll be that thrilled just watching the flow of nature, and being a part of it, and doing your own shadow work, and having nature spirits help you with that

don’t want impose that narrative on our work

JM: hemp will save the world environmentally

TP: what are some of the more cinematic moments

JM: very very beautiful views are conducive of these type of moments, knowing that when you’re looking out on this beautiful landscape, mountain peaks, feel very small, but very connected, look out and see all these pieces of me, subatomic particles, everything is me, and I am it, really grounding type of experience to have, look out, wow all the issues I’m struggling with or limiting factors, or negative head space, all that just dissipates, because you put things into perspective, look into the night sky, see the stars, and you just, sense of awe, and admiration, and deep respect, when you are just so connected, just in tune

TP: I feel that, live for those vistas, any times where equipment failed, or got soaked, freezing, suffer through a night, moments of triumph

JM: I would say nature is cruel but powerful mistress, so like, in the same way that it will guide me into this revelation about absolute awe adoration, at the same time I’ve been cold, and hungry, and so defeated, but I think those are the moments when we’re struggling, going through change, extreme internal conflict due to weather and terrain, you’re able to grow, I have so much respect for nature, those experiences teach you how to tap into your grit, drive is more important than intrinsic motivation, which is fleeting, tap into own tenacity, hardship

when things are gravy at home, stressed out from work or life, but physically when you are drenched, no placed to put your tent, or snow, post holing thigh deep, on side of mountain gotta get off but sun is setting

even just being out there and pushing yourself is honestly the best way to make a transformation, quickest and most impactful way

meditation is very powerful and important, but holy moly I just did that, very immediate evolution when you experience that kind of physical challenge

just think about it, anytime you get pummeled in the ocean, I respect you so much, I will not through trash in you, I’m just a naked human, a flesh bag

TP: break up, death of loved own, quitting smoking or drinking, seems like any kind of major shift or transition even if its just a week, sounds like you’re a great person to be an evangelist for this, and it’s not a pill that you just take and pay big pharma to have you on a pill for the rest of your life, hopefully get off anti-depressants, I can feel that

we’ll have you back to talk more about your business, thought about doing meet ups, I was just exposed to night hiking, maybe we’ll be looking forward to what you have to offer, more than welcome to promote

JM: for now, instagram up, jessicamoonco on instagram, hoping to launch officially next month if you are stressed out, want some mindfullness guidance and encouragement to get out doors, definitely check me out, jessicamoon.co forthcoming

TP: heart ached when you told me you were in a corporate career, didn’t hear the exhuberance in your voice when you told me about it, glad it served you well for business administration, training for solopreneur, blessings to everyone who thrives in that environment, having known you at the peak of your youthful enthusiasm for exploration and breaking rules and being a rebel, I’m so thrilled to know that everything is coming full circle for you.

I had similar story of it being incongruent with spirit/soul being in a cubicle, but knowing when I was in corporate environment I was mining the experience so I wouldn’t just be a broke ass hippy, I’d know how to take a penny and make two pennies with out

JM: thank you so much for having me, thank you so much for your attention and hope we can get out doors, level up, hope you have a beautiful week

TP: been a treasure and blessing, much love to you and all your beloveds