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Greening Revolution and Rainbowing Spiritual Love with Vanessa Soulxo TPP286

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In this episode I’m joined again by Vanessa Soulxo for a soulful exploration of the deep cultural trauma that’s being purged and healed in the world

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Vanessa LeMaistre’s path has been unconventional. Broken from years of childhood sexual assault, not having a father to protect her and an ultimate lack of self-worth, she woke up at the age of 25 as a lost soul, having dated a mix of men, including prominent celebrities who didn’t respect her worth. Deciding to wake up and step into her path, Vanessa began to practice yoga and spiritually enlighten herself through a series of texts, before suffering a tragic loss of her son, Kamden at 9 months. Throughout her journey, Vanessa, a shaman, provides spiritual insight from her own diverse experiences and channels her late son to do so. If you’re looking for an unconventional take on wisdom to transform your life, please attend her Soul Church or contact her via gmail: vanessasoulxo@gmail.com to receive her services.

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My Non Verbatim Show Notes

TP: feeling blessed, compounding angel interest

your strategy, adapt church to online, inclusive non-hierarchal church space, colead, cofacilitate, forced to adapt to cyber space model, for a little while, got some ideas how to start building up fellowship, when things mellow out, have strong fellowship

VS:

happening a lot smoother than I thought, just graduated, logical thing get a job, use degree, not my path,

smoothly happening, took the call, go with alignment, what’s in alignment with my path, spread energy 9-5, spread soul thin, not my path, leap of faith, people can help build it up, I can’t do it by myself, if I should up if there’s one or two people, goal is to listen to the call, multiples of people can come, join in community, really about community, build bridges how to communicate,

unity in community, you see communities where there is no unity

friend, adopted, jewish, all about community, be honest with each other, solve a lot of problems, honest with ourselves, be there for each other, cultivate during a time like right now,

sense of urgency, set up communities

encourage, more individuals build community, stronger collective

switch things, hierarchal, old paradigm, going from capitalist mindset, to age of aquarius, excited for newer generation, more queer thinking,

swtiching out of putting everything in box

more multi-raced, how to do you put somebody in a box

community, accepting people, taking away biases, what can we learn from each other

allow to be vulnerable, egalitarian based

online, challenge, we’re not in a physical space, virtual container

curious how it’s gonna end up, could be really impactful

counsels, all my classes were counsels, professor wasn’t talking at us, we were running the show

never know what’s gonna pop off, speak honestly, speak from there heart, stand in power be fierce, use voice

hold power for someone else

white guy, going through what’s happening, what’s your suggestion for white privileged male

giving back to black communities, telling him, bluntly its time to give your power away

makes you more powerful, when you’re able to empower others

blacks in our country,have not been given opportunity to really shine, haven’t been given platforms, opportunity to be heard, most don’t get a chance to talk in groups, marginalized

more privileged people hold the power

excited, we can come together on line, really be real, cut the bullshit,

get questions, oh this is a church, what’s the doctrine, what’s your faith creed

I’m listening to sources call, asking how do you want me to bring people to you, root of this, really the goal, bringing them to the light, to connect to source within themselves

takes away black and white, male female gay straight,

how can you dress sexy and be taken seriously as a woman,

how can you not be both

break things down, we are switching from an older paradigm, no longer putting things in boxes

churches, judicial, educational

personal healing if we’re not doing something different, not changing, things are gonna be the same

different approach to church, no body wants to be churched at

TP: a lot of positive triggering and stimulating triggering as I’m listening to what you’re saying, all due respect,

for me to own my privilege, and disclose my bias as underclass white male who is straight passing, able passing, most part euro american mut, I don’t have any facial tatoos, put on suit and tie, hair cut, I could make my resume to the nonprofit sector, also corporate, if I had any minority cards to play, it would be that I’m not heteronormative, survivor, come from lower class, ptsd, a lot of invisible wounding that can be debilitating, impact ability to be type-a ceo, conquer of the world, the potential privilege appears on the surface, a lot more going on there

get it if I’m in the black and white

I’m okay with starting there, that’s what I’m passing as, if you want to get to know me, be curious, don’t have white fragility problem, I can take criticism, and blacklash

we may not have discussed before, good time to talk about all these things

instead of becoming a yuppie, I dropped out of the system and going movements mostly of people of color, all fighting for the underclass

solidarity with people no matter what race

people of color I’ve been in revolutionary organizations and projects with, covert operations as whitey

ways to use that power, give it back, be strategic about it

a few things come to mind based on what you’re saying, empowerment, new paradigm

outline a few things

one topic Ron Finley, guerilla gardening movement, almost 10 years ago, gangster gardener movement, bring people into understand that south central los angeles, food desert could be food forest

took over parkway, made strip of grass and weeds between curb and sidewalk, made into lush beautiful edible garden, community, educational, bounty

world class fashion designer, city came to fine him, tear it out, under estimated his sophisticated, marketer, green thumb, ted talk, more drive thrus than drive bys, killing people, kids who grow kale eat kale, plant some shit

leadership for minority community, highest co-morbidity, people of color, diabetes, obesity, health of community, empowerment

#blackcommunitygardensmatter

next level thing, I bow down to him got to hang out, talk shop, mulch

still rocking it, tearing up the headlines

you’ve mentioned permaculture as well in your works

that’s a topic

I want to go into your thoughts on the health crises, food choice, under class, people of color, gardening opportunities, ecological,

conspiracy of big companies, junk food

if we have time walk through some of ways that people of color who’ve been colonized by christianity, raped by gospel of christianity, reclaim sacred space of devotional activities, worship, navigate fact, people who are gonna not want to let go of that, on people like you to bring in medciine, plant medicine, new revelations, new chapters /gospels to the bible

me, nerdy white man intellectual, try to get down with the people and plant some shit

greening, movement, uprising right now

whatever direction hopefully influenced by people like you, lyrics of hip hop, consciousness, spirituality

VS: keep wanting to record reggae, positive conscious

for greening and next leveling of the movement, so much in that with permaculture, food justice, human rights, food justice, education, all those poor neighborhoods, filled with junk food, liquor stores, health food, don’t have it

set up unfitting way for blacks,

public schools, low funding, not taught how to do permaculture, ties in perfectly what you mentioned, people of color being raped by colonizers

psychologically, taking away opportunity for them to be educated,

paradoxical, most people of color ancestors operated on indigenous ways, permaculture to some degree, grow and plant own food

grandmother helped raised me, know which plants to take, go on walks, plants for certain teas, for ailments

taking away, stolen, brainwashed, psychologically, don’t have access to that education

cuba, sustainable, economy crashed, poorer countries really great models

teach kindergarten, how to plant

waldorf school, silicon tech heads send children to outdoor schools, eating mint leaves, fascinating, kids learn from early age how to have such a good food source for their health

benefit in so many ways

ancestors knew that

grandmothers 91, no health problems, ate naturally sourced foods in back yard

marginalized people, have been ripped from opportunity to be educated, should be on front lines of best education possible, compensate for robbery

spirituality, practicianers work with plants, medicine, witches, shamans, balancing the earth, not doing hexes

living harmonious ways, more intuned more health, mindful, what we’re intaking where’s it coming from

I think that’s really fascinating

overall global crises, eating cleaner, less pollution, climate, better systems set up in a way, poor neighborhoods, low access to health

people of color I know, southern comfort food, most people in family diabetes high cholesterol, fried chicken everyday, not educated

more people to educate others

TP: definitely taking about reggae, what means are there, we both agree, I’m humbly, deeply informed and moved by your experience, better than mine, horrible influences, horrible diet, health problems remedy through gardening

what the problem is, who needs the reparations

reggae, people say definitely homophobia in rastafarianism, what are edges of queerness within religion

reggae gone far being, roots of reggae coopted into more mainstream forms

positivity, vibration, influences, indigenous, african, also stuff from western theology

lyrics from Bob Marley’s,

every time I plant a seed, he said kill it before it grow

reggae, I think there’s revolutionizing of reggae that has to happen for it to be medicine for the people, the vibration of guns, violence, misogyny, rape culture, toxic masculinity

looking for people who are gonna take the ron finley lyrics, put beats behind them

Paris, revolutionary hip hop, personality, artist, paris, the coup, dead prez, a lot of reggae,

ice-t, chuck d, rebellious, got out to lower class white suburbs

so profoundly influenced, tried to get hair cut like favorite basket ball player

couldn’t be more of a fan of the culture of what was spoon fed to be

by the corporate pimps,

hegemonized bling culture

nino brown, new jack city, whole thing of trying to be the white corporate business man ceo, take over, how cool that is, a lot of spike lee stuff, shed some light on what’s in the mind of a would be conscious white man, wants to care, want to give back, find good in bad

make sense of things

a lot of putting on table for you to put me in my place, take me down a notch, riff, rhyme, other well meaning white people, I was raising my fist, so down for the cause, show me where I can join forces and not be an annoyance

VS: feeling you,

the fact that world has been operating to cater to your breed as top of totem pole,

you love black culture, raising fist, think our society stills breaths it, swims in it, billboards,

something revolutionary, collectively on global level has to shift from top tiers, people can see things differently

colorism, we have different levels to this

field….or in the house

confronted in circles all the time, black me say I’m the only black woman they would ever date, you’re good cuz your light enough, or too dark

brain washing of colorism, so fucked up

there’s black people who’ll take the side of white man, hate themselves so much

world didn’t favor to them, classism within racism, thinking to themselves, talk white, look a certain way, may not know how, may not want to sign up to do

job interview, get on phone speak more “white” or more proper

theory programmed into brains, white is right

mexican woman, family came from mexico, had to assimilate into america, hispanics, white passing,

dismantling, becoming really aware, seeing with clear eyes, this is what’s been happening, more people privileged, can claim their human right

like whatever you like, culture, food

makes world beautiful

a lot to be talked about

white women favored more tan darkest women in the room

so many beautiful beautiful black woman

love all people, exotic

men not all thugs, many educated

such a shame that we are underneath this mind control

so brainwashed

we’re just people, just human being, friend trans, I’m not gay, not trans, not drag queen, I’m a human being, make more sense, more in touch with reality

attachments, pain and trauma

we could learn a much more rapid rate,

learn when I travel, how people living their lives in their culture

we put up such barriers

you’re different you like that

I’m better society tells me there’s this superiority

black privileges, educated,

dismantling, I’m not better than any body

just human beings

memes right now, world in uproar

great, most action I’ve seen, people showing some form of pushback, end of day

how often are we checking with ourselves, not better than so and so, all equal, not about me

actualizing the fact we’re all equal all human

how reclaim sacred space, gathering fellowship worshiping, christianity

TP: either admit Jesus was black or stop talking about Jesus

VS: wouldn’t that solve everything,

why are you all so judgemental, least open minded people, I’m gonna have the most problems with christians

TP: researching cults, blind spots, you don’t know what to watch out for

permaculture, balance with weeds, medicinal, edible, listen, pay attention, not poison them, ecologically literate, patterns lead to corruption with power, how do you prevent becoming a cult of personality

saying, those who don’t die a hero, live long enough to become a villain, really scary, studying that stuff, I want to have fans not followers, because of my art

charles manson, david koresh, documentary on cults, reason manson set cult devotees to kill famous people, basically jealousy over his failed music career

its so interesting, I’m only feeling the hilarity of this, pitfalls and traps of nacissism, permaculture, too much capital, pollution in nature, power money wealth influence, redistribute reinvesting, you think I’m so good at something tell me about what you’re so good at, you’re as important as I am, I’ll scrub toilets, rotate positions of power

what if everybody in a church ceremony was given equal time

indigenous way, every body including a grandmother read medicine plants in the landscape

work to be done around figuring out how to honor everybody’s contributions

dating game, racial politics of sexual, economics and politics around body types, ethnicity, film, based on true story, talk radio, based on guy, Eric Bogosian, jewish shock jock radio host, killed by right wing racist, can’t remember all the details scenes of him being in radio booth

taking calls, offending people, offensive to bigots, pissing people off, death threats, hate mail

line from movie, wants to expose people subconscious actual worship of exotic people, you know how much money white people spend on tanning booths, tan lotion, white people feel sexually inferior

I have been upstaged, from deep voice, size of the junk, to swagger, strut, soul,

Jerry McGuire, white man can’t love

do you see that that’s people loving each other

tight lipped having tiny lips,

white guy I can say this shit, I can make fun of my kind

I’ll say there’s an inferiority complex around having small lips, high pitch whiny voices, flat butts, flat chests, skin that gets burnt in the sun, you can see the veins through it, reason I have to be jealous of sexual prowess of people of color and african people

things going on genetically, so honorable, worshipable, reconcile, how do we not leave people out

I don’t want to over…

people in my life who’d say you’re an evil bastard, part of the patriarchy because you do enjoy exotic partners, you’re fetishing the other,

actually that’s natural biodiversity, jungle fever, go out of tribe, all of the world, person form another region, boom boom time to diversify gene people, love sees no color, no separate races, fighting losing battle, urge is to you know, white settlers ran off into native villagers, token white refugees

so much native american /african american blood mixing

if we were more poly and open we would find ways to appreciate and honor and enjoy the diversity,

even the whole breast thing, beyond race, very honest answer, matt dillon, singles, white romanic comedy, small breast groupie girlfriend, seattle grunge rocker, hour glass syndrome, rocker feels entitled , shuns gf, comes full circle

she says to him, are my breasts to small for you, he says sometimes, very honest

subplot, scheduling self to get boob job, doctor: is this mr right or mr maybe

more honest sometimes im in the mood for this, diverse experience, go out for this restaurant, diversity of romantic, sexual experience

I don’t have enough of something for somebody for every, diverse array of people, everyone’s covered

valuing everybody at different way different times

taboo

VS: so many powerful things, commend you for being open so raw, something humans don’t honestly say on any context, oh I’m so jealous, takes away with what’s there

taking to my french gf last night, never thought about it like this, I think racism is all this small dick complex, screen shots poster, someone protesting said that

something about being open, it could be open, I’m jealous that this girl has whatever xyz, growth in putting in on table

accept differences

commend you for being honest, saying that

I don’t know what its like to be a white man, you have swag in your own way

so beautiful, being confident saying what you’re saying

so much, powerful, impactful

thank for allowing me to go off

I don’t think I’ve felt comfortable with any body else

this is the time to do opposite of being more divided

love to see queer orgy make outs in the streets

arrest me with love

racist, bludgeon with police night stick, do anything but be on knees worshipping

shadow of jealousy, napolean dick complex

VS: conversations like this, getting there, take away the fog, not hate black women, dark skin women so much

treated different, we’re not ignorant, people born smart in their own way

bold enough confront self with honest,

how can I love myself more

TP: if you love self, want to see best and most beautiful in everyone else

take care of yourself, already beautiful, already god/goddess divine, just take care of yourself

ensemble cast of lovers

winners and losers, either get the girl, princess or oppressed slave

I would love to a woman to say to me, I like you, but I love this and that, what if I bring a wing man, can we get it all on together, I’ll be your booking agent

everybody plays different roles

some people I’m mr friday, some people I’m mr tuesday, as long as I’m not mr never to anybody, is be fine, goes both ways

can’t we all just get along

that’s my trip, sorry, adults only in my church

good times

VS: that’s great

back to horrific, world of pain and suffering and agony and disaster, we’re having almost too much fun, to pray and feel into the real terror that people are experiencing now, grief, morning, poverty despair, lack of abundance,

we lathered up some good energy, how can we give it back

people suffering, better vibes

VS: really tough right now, a lot of heavy stuff, I’m excited for the church, excited to see how conversation gets led, we’re strong, it’s in our blood, we’ve had to survive times like this before, ancestors did, do have hope, keep chugging along, very proud as black person to witness black people handle this so beautifully

not talking about looters, distressed

tiny percentage, news casters portraying it was a big percentage, what I’m witnessing, majority of black people, very commendable, strength, don’t see war, yes there’s anger,

beautiful how blacks are giving their white allies the opportunity to step in and show up how they need to show up

whether getting on knees or holding a door

blacks welcoming this healing process, already in it

feels like a healing

different access, food , education, resilience in black community from ancestors, chugging along so beautifully, be seen, heard, stand in power, have it not be taken away or stomped on or ignored, brink of brand new horizon, brand new awakening

chance to rise

empowered community

finally getting opportunity to hopefully rise

this is very hopeful time

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Seeding the Transapocalyptic Cypherpunk Cryptopia with Vin Armani TPP275

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In this episode I’m joined by Vin Armani for another epic dialog about the transformative intersections of bitcoin, crypto-anarchy, crypto-savagery, state craft, ecology, permaculture, shamanism, futurism, and much more

Please visit Vin’s website at https://vinarmani.com/

About Vin:

Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

My Non Verbatim Show Notes

been preparing for a long time

very weird experience

conspiracy theorists, broader understanding of the shift to come

people’s who’s eyes have been open for more than half a century

orwell, we’re in an orwellian moment, 1984 was a prophecy

wrote in 1948, doesn’t mention year in the book, publisher, 1984

4 years ago, youtube, playlists, series called ascendent project, 2016

right before vin armani show

thesis of presentation, 8 hours

announcement that the shift is here, way I believe, what will look like, based upon, teaching of the human social cycle, from Indian guru, Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar

Ananda Marga

book series, spoken word, transcribed

work that affected me profoundly, got a hold of from adherents from group

progressive utilization theory

described, the human social cycle

the indian caste system, 4 varnas

vaisya

brahmin

ksatriya

sudra

description of energies within human cycle, influence world in different way every human has energies moving through, dominant in a person, in eras

eras move in a cycle from peasant, to warrior, rises as chief, utilize will and strength as hero, becomes a king

eternal game of paper scissor rock

thinker energy dominates the king, church, priests, dominant

corruption of church comes through money

large cycles through history

within those cycles small cycles

within each of us have cycles

ideas moved into the west

notice, that’s the same 4 energies of the tarot, suits of the tarot, club, sword, chalice, cup, pentacle, coin

cards, clubs, spades, hearts blood of christ, diamond, instead of coin

what he had presented was idea that we had moved through the commoner time, thinker time, through warrior time, the great kings, through the thinker time, enlightenment, into his time writing in 70s emergence of vaisya age corporations, banks, beasts,

the corpus christi, the body of christ being the church, thinker time, corporation, legal persons corporate entities, banks, vaisya age

bitcion, crypto currency, vegas, solidified vaisya coming to full throat, it was going to tip over the top from golden age to corrupt age, coming very soon

what emerges from out of that on the wheel, starts over, grand reset back to sudra, commoner, state of nature, little specialization, little centralization, decentralized, generalized

daniel quinn, ishmael books, fantastic, 100% survival value, ancestors 12 year old, indigenous society, could drop in middle of environment and they would survival, had all skills of entire culture, male or female, hunt fish, build home, start a fire, make clothes, herbs, poison

sings weather would change

all these things they knew before adult

very decentralized,

from self sufficiency to efficiency

path, escathon, crescendo, time is speeding up terrence mckenna

end moment

all of the signs, its a virus

everyone has become the enemy, invisible, everyone is enemy

goes to say it is the vaisya energy recognizing the rise of sudra energy being very scared

wondered, 20 years ago discovered this thought, working with it, through this time, what does that look like, 2000 I see we’re in vaisya age, corporate, banking business age, what does it look like, before bitcoin,

what does that even look like, communism, socialism, what does it even look like that it would fracture back down into decentralized commoner, 100% survival value

kernal of new rebirth of age, bitcoin is a harbinger, one of many tools, cryptography, incredible useful, self sufficiency in general

more people, not agriculture by nature, figuring out how to be self sufficient, protein produce, energy, electricity

been called preppers, out there conspiracy theorist, already shutting off food supply shutting off money, choice people dwindle

those who have figured out how to fully imbrace the sudra nature, will rise

old nature in decline, new era on it’s way up

TP: meek shall inherit the earth

VA: wheel turning at any given time what is rising is always the meek

in sudra age, hero rising is the meek, hero isn’t the king, it’s the audacious boy

at the time of the kings, when king fully risen the advisor, the priest the thinker is not the prime minister he’s a boy who interprets dream whose in cell

pharoah relied on boy, that’s the meek

time of kings, napoleonic wars, can’t feed army, can’t get right kind of gold coins, london, looking for solutions, smuggler of gold times, rothchild family, get right coins, meek businessman, grey market, smuggling gold, credit schemes, a hustler, reach out to him

the meek the inherit the earth, now is the time for that again

TP: inner geek, crypto math computer science, geek will inherit the earth

VA: look at the archetype of the geek within the vaisya let’s say aesthetic, love vegas, complete shut down vaisya aesthetic, giant companies all about literally money, play with those cards, gold, hotels, nothing but money and the love of money, as opposed to silicon valley, holding all power, multibillionaires running companies, zuckerberg, wearing what he wears, they wouldn’t let him in a club in a vegas, wouldn’t let him in, bezos same thing, old pictures of bezos, those guys are the cross over of the really the vaisya creating sudra products, rise of social media, rise of twitter

hash tag movements, metoo, emergence of sudra, hieararchy flattening platforms , twitter account doesn’t have more features than prez, same app, same with facebook flattens hiearchy, emergence of decentralized consensus based organizational

hash tags started taking down the most powerful men in the world

what is a hashtag, it doesn’t even exist

exists purely as a psychological concept

not even like that hash tag is an option within twitter or facebook itself

TP: viral videos, age of virus, hashtag, snippet of genetic dna, replicates in cell of human mind, replicates through internet, just characters, abstracted, don’t have eyes, don’tknow what they’re doing, regenerating with retweets, as above so below, cyberdelic mind fuck

VA: in age of virus, of course it’s a virus how could it not be, network based organization versus hierarchy

interview wtth chris derose, block chain as a matriarchy and role of messiahs, emergence of network, spreading, the new power, to understand how power is organized have to understand the network

what we see going on with response to the corona virus, hiearchy, dealing very poorly with a network based crisis, virus has no hierarchy

TP: just packets

VA: bitcoin network gossip network, viral network, one to many, R naught, signed transaction, propagates to network, epidemological map, transaction copying self into mem pool,

TP: 8% of human dna, residual viral remants,

VA: blockchain is organic model

TP: do you trip on mycellial functionality of the way, don’t know what the science is, fungal hyphea connecting topsoil, trees on either coast send text message through ground

VA: networked, organic movement, organism, hierarchy can’t fight the mechanism, can’t fight organism, not equipped to do it, we developed hierarchy to fight against nature, turns you into one big organism, its very crude, might say, taken to their extreme, what you see in tyranny that is now with us, officially, organism trying to stay alive, imposes even more rigid order, things gotten a little too loose, out of control, desire to track everything, record eveything ultimate order, as opposed to the bitcoin idea of a system being robust in its unordered simplicity, just a system of rules, not working towards any particular end except to keep system going, traditional, sustainable, organic ethos of ancestors, the idea of cultures society, life in general, simply to continue it on to the next generation, not thinking there was some grand purpose

TP: multigenerational, tree stewardship, fabric of culture, indigenous wisdom, terrence mckenna, enter the violet doorway at the end of time, we will be street smart in the ways of demonic materialism and returned home to the family farm in eden, that would be that refreshing, resetting of that grand cycle

VA: got goosebumps, not heard exact quote, love it, beautiful, probably freestyled, so beautiful, god, command of english language, spin poetry almost make you cry, that’s was interesting because one of the insights that drove me to do ascendent project, looking at chapter 3 genesis, serpent, temptation, fall, the birth of sudra age, return to the garden

goosebumps, yeah, return to garden, figuratively and litterally, so interesting, though it was poignant, governer of michigan, prevented walmart from selling seeds

roped off, full racks of seeds roped off with caution tape

non essential items all garden supplies seeds, literally there, the people who are getting photos and videos that’s crazy I can’t be these seeds, saw this starting to happen, I’ve moved family, not ready to dox self, remote island, pretty self sufficient, probably making public in the future where exactly I am, place I see as a return to the garden, but with that same street smartness, it’s not about throwing out technology, dipping out, off grid, why would you give up the wisdom of your ancestors over the past hundreds of years, why give up grid idea, interconnectedness

bitcoin, idea is not to disconnect, idea is to connect peer to peer minus the intermediary, it’s the intermediary that’s the problem

what’s the problem with the seed sales at walmart, problem is its walmart, guaranteed the person the put the seeds in that package, supply of seeds

but neighbor would sell it to you

TP: you can buy plantable produce from the grocery store, front lines of professional food sector, gardener, step up, minimal interactions I’ve had, if you can’t buy seeds or being gouged for prices, 1/3 or produce can be harvested for its vegetable product and then replanted, beets, onions, garlic, potatoes, eat most of it and still plant it, viablle, propagation, deprived of seeds, plant groceries after eat half or more

VA: this is the return to the garden, this knowledge, in moving to where I’m at, interesting thing, culture here, native culture strong, people who are original people very much in control of politics of island, out in morning, there’s all the people still fishing in traditional ways, 50 feet from house, right on beach 4 fisherman, outrigger canoe launched off beach

corruption of outside world, hand outs, desire of tourism, businesses, to pay these folks, to provide money, as a opposed to them sustaining themselves in they way they had, some wisdom gets lost, situation in now, people lost all that really struggling, guy out there fishing, isn’t even trippin, what crisis

its the finding of the resources that are there, even as you said, your grocery store is a garden store, realizing that, the produce section is a garden store, light years ahead

TP: its all kind circling back to another terrence mckenna prophecy, living in prototype of dream of avatars, virtual reality, shrinking your physical foot print on earth. Letting nature regrow around you foraging in wild abundant nature, get kicks and giggles from interacting on line, not needing to fly all over the place,people are already going to wake up tomorrow and be like we can get kicks and giggles touring museums in 3d virtuality, let the wild animals take over the streets, hoped people would voluntarily participate in live simply, easy way or hard way, easy way too late for that

VA: unfortunately everyones gonna be living simply, economic state of the world has changed, consumerism, waste is done as we know it

TP: party’s over

VA: drastic waste in short term, supplies, milk dumped down drain, fields go fallow supply chains broken, body of consumerism dying, variety will be greatly reduced, millenia generation, ability to be satisfied in digital realm to great degree, gen z, they will be able to really, many very happy to have consumerism go away, simplicity, dystopian futurist, 4 walls ceiling, living in closet doesn’t matter virtual universe, william gibson called consensual hallucenation so vast so satifying, won’t matter that your’e living in a tomb, basicallyi entombed

matrix

TP: what if you take that classic scene of neo unplugging in that pod, instead, unplugs consensual connection, p2p network, pops lid on pod, harvest some greens in his garden in hawaii, utopian, people’s matrix, not marxian, peer to peer nature, crypt enabled

VA: mckenna seeing the eschaton, combining multiple aspects, logical progression of series of different streams, at any given time, streams of consciousness, lifestyles, really streams of consciousness evolve on own, music scene, artistic scene, style of tech, physical pursuit, sport, what it looks like 100 years ago, not what it looks like in the future, subculture, two ideals, the return to the garden, plus the high level of interconnectedness, both to extreme combined into one, not the case initially, thesis and anti-thesis, our generation we’ll get one or the other, access in early going, access to consensual hallucenation, dependent on acquiesance to new world order, living in box, universal basic income, money aspect will go away, it’s a prison, you get fed 3 meals a day, same clothes, same style of home, put into matrix, human experience plays out, old vestiges of voting, virtual sports, status hiearchyies

TP: video game simulation, elon musk what happens if mars comes to us and we’re now astronauts on our own planet, people in bubble costumes, logan’s run concept

bitcoin was the birth of the multiplicity, libra hearings was death of singularity

VA: about right, funny in my book self ownership, last section is on the concept I called the crypto savage

the attempt to merge the old order and new order, will be attempted will fail, that’s what libra was, we can have this thing that’s at scale, out there with an established company, no you can not, interesting, congress people speaking positively about bitcoin, good, tech can grow, they don’t fear it at all, to them it can’t be a threat because it can’t organize in the way they understand organization to be, facebook is organized in a way they understand to be a threat, they understand corporations have power, no coporation for bitcoin, no company, no leader, no ceo no country, no structures they recognize as dangerous, just a network of nodes, passing info, storing info viral network, viruses aren’t threats to them, just saw that play out, don’t understand threat profile of virus, don’t understand how to respond to it in a way they don’t kill themselves in the process

what I say is the other side of eschaton, bitcoin can play a role, matrix version is the thesis, bitcoin is the anti-thesis, synthsis, you get both, mckennas idea, post eschaton, new age, restart

escanton, rame together, big bang, big suprise, post escaton, new material, move or what we’re talking about

indviiduals sustaining themselves off grid by necessity if they don’t they’ll be caught up into the web, very hard life

comparatively, to having everything handed to you, hard life to be self sufficient, in terms of knowledge.

Anti thesis, includes bitcoin cryptography, the resources, ability, the supply chains gone, reestablishing new supply chains, not illegal per se, like in 1984, writing in journal, wasn’t illegal, but if caught death sentence,

TP: earn it act

VA: cryptography is gonna be very different, play in their game, cryptography is out the window, telegram, signal gone relatively soon, cryptography as tool, unless you take away math, never take cryptography of out picture

concepts behind public key cryptography, level of computer science wherewithal, access to computer, computers ubiquitous, pgp, illiptical curve algo, library, released, send message on blockchain, post to address, only person with private key of that address could read it, data, message, write on the blockchain, old crypto tech, just sitting there, never be able to get rid of it

approach to crypto now, same as food, gonna have to learn to do it yourself

knowledge is not that hard, coding skills, pass around tools, libraries, minimal coding skills, if you’re a coders have simple libraries sitting around for cryptography, signatures for messages, for encrypting and decrypting files and messages, decentralized networks, get them up, share them around, get them out there, classes of people training people, offering coding classes, urgency hasn’t been there, picking that up again, waited for a while, people interested thought coding was cool, wanted to get a job in software, never viewed it that way, skill of liberty, knowing how to grow a garden, fix your car, change your oil, place like cuba, no important of new cars, parts hard to come by, artistry of keeping car running 70 years

TP: difference between dude and man, when something breaks at dudes house, calls the man to fix it

VA: love that, just perfect, the sudra era, shortest, commoner era, flatting of hierarchy 100% survival value, shortest because heros emerge quickly, dude and man, man is the hero

TP: give shovels to neighbors, agorism,

VA: just the introduction, new world order doesn’t need to be commanded by evil geniouses, global network of communications, perverse incentives, track you in digital life, know everything about you, extend it into physical world, internet of things you’re a thing, move of taking this technology mapping, digital world on physical world and vis-versa, same old incentives, except physical world is a really a hindrence to the movement of digital world and digital powers that be, they don’t want you to leave cyber space, if you leave digital world you’re not an asset to them

that’s the crypto savage, build new peer to peer digital world running parallet to theres

TP goosebumps moment, post cyberpunk, snipes, stallone, dennis leary as crypto savage, only have cybersex, std plagues, don’t shake hands, social distancing, speak profanity, ticket pops out, but would be a crypto/libra wallet,

VA: demolition man, brave new world, aldous huxley, george orwell, great sci fi, is really a study of human nature, that’s what makes it great, technology is just a idea of logical progression, what do we have now, progress this out, almost always dystopian, everything that moves forward, tech, language, physical tool, organizational structure, always moves towards corruption, sci fi, what does this look like when it’s corrupted, used in worst

TP: Craig Wright trying to patent open source software

VA: reason why that’s important, narrative standpoint, crafting a story, in order for their to be a hero’s journey, role of hero, rebirth from out of corruption, have to show corrupt world, without no reason for hero, sci fi, fantasy, lord of the rings, star wars, the reason why those work well as hero’s stories, not limited in degree of corruption, take corruption to fullest, best enemies, best villains, heros journey, rebirth, story of christ is heros journey, ideal of hero, luke skywalker, froto baggins, neo ,same heroic archetype, arise in world completely corrupt, more corrupt it is more heroic their acts

TP be thankful for enemies, petty tyrants, don’t want b list, medicore actors in your life movie, good villains

VA: virus isn’t villain, virus is one ring to rule them all, who holds narrative, how will they use it, state will use narrative one ring to rule them all, not use opportunity to come together, bring people together, crisis how do humans overcome crisis, we come to gether, that’s how we overcome, super power, put aside old greivances, we have a real crisis, how we think, from movies, astroid is coming, or independence day movies aliens, nations of world put aside differences, actually no, that’s not what the state does, state is divide and conquer, social distancing is exact opposite of coming together to solve a problem

the one ring to rule them all, it’s all about how will you be ruled, peer to peer electronic cash system, disintermediation, come together in the network, come together

mask, can’t communicate, 80% nonverbal, can’t see facial expressions all of these things, this is the escaton, thesis is social distance, separate, divide and conquer,

anti-thesis, decentralized, peer to peer self sufficient, 100% survival value

TP protests, counter protests, astro turfing, new, I’m darkish, left social media, trust no one, trust people you already know

VA: protests are stupid if you’re protesting for them to reopen the economy you’ve already lost, protesting without a mask on, useful idiot, they’re in complete control of narrative, protests, we did a poll, majority of people support social distancing, keeping economy closed, propaganda, everybody supports it, maybe I should

protests, astroturfing aside, legitimate protesters, that’s going to fail, the die is cast momentum already there, going down a path, no question about it, no coming back, only thing you can do is take another path

rebellion is not out in the streets, the rebellion is in your garden

TP: peer to peer, bit torrent, permaculture party pack, 10s of gigs, pirated material, compiled videos, documents, audios, bundled in one torrent, how cuba survived peak oil, microcosm of when ussr collapsed, cut off cuba from fossil fuels, retrofit to organic garden, didn’t have chems coming in, modernish case study in not begging, not being juvenile, not to put down spirit and tradition of assembly and free speech, you can belly ache at the man while you’re tearing up the side walk, tear of the intersection, planted and don’t leave, reclaim the space with the last calories you have

VA: thanks for torrent, downloading it, spreading it, again its a virus, peer to peer many to many this is the other path that’s going to be taken, finding those locations, moved to what I believe is one of such locations, people have to find what calls to them and it will call to you, this came out of nowhere, interesting and notable, it had been in the back of my mind, things ramping up, flights cut off, countries cut off, timeline is sped up, tings reopen, opportunity, got out, literally on last plane to island, before cut off from all inbound, the common wealth, from all inbound and outbound traffic of people, not of cargo, not everybody had opportunity, not predicting and following for years as I have, don’ tneed it, if your’e listening to this, things are gonna open back up, tell everybody righ tnow, they’re going to get shut back down, open up for a little while, laset gasp opportunity last chance for many people to make that move, while things are still shut down, look around put energy in that direction, appropriate thing may come to you, may be stay where you’re at, bugging out m ay not be the thing if your social capital is local

famers markets informal economy, may be smartest thing to stay

allies, not just going cold, working contacts for months, had place to stay, people to show around, established, met within few days, opportunity, when it opens up and shuts down again, when it shuts down again its gonna shut down for a long time, because businesses have failed

second wave, governements getting used to it, allows them to print money

some people, not gonna matter where you are, you can be a valuable asset almost anywhere, community gonna need, underground railroad, taking people out of slavery through making them self sufficient, food knowledge, secondary encrypted network, riding on the internet, small separate encrypted network, invisible, running in this encrypted way through same wires

TP: if time get into the play by play of how inept the government stimulus, I can list off the hackers of world, exploiting stimulus check, insecure, poorliy thought out, every permaculture designer, swiss army knife, adapt to any environment, one of the preppers dilemmas, old school stereotypical doomsday peppers, bullets beans bandaids, no way I’m gonna grow a garden, I don’t want the zombies to see what I have and want to take it, paradox, better make beautiful abundant garden, share with neighbors, infect them with gardening meme, get them gardening have them want to protect you with all of their might because you were in a way responsible for their survival, they are your armor, reason to be a gardening prepper, actually help, like yesterday get these systems established

arms race of open source software, hackers developers, steps ahead of government, every use case for crypto elucidated, brought into the fore, clusterfuck, government that takes from you, doesn’t have any rails to give back in an emergency

VA: hacker writ large, orginal idea of term, permaculture is hacker culture, for sure, pick up artist days, panty hacking, its about hacking of the human psychosexual landscape, platform, machine, whatever you want to call it, the hacker is someone who is a voracious consumer and implementer of knowledge and wisdom, platform agnostic, environment independent, able to create a life for themselves whether in social environment, agricultural enviornment, mineraological,l technological, hacker idea, flattened decentralized generalist idea, non hierarchical, hacker wants to share, a hacker wants a community , more inputs for knowledge, value of being around a permaculture community, conversation we just had, permaculture party pack, told me what network, go on network, pull it, that is what community is about, social distancing powerful tool for tyrants, internactions can never happen

ceo of zapos, deliverying happiness, hiring on culture fit, weather that really works or not, remains to be seen, don’t know zappos has been particularly profitiable, make tony shay billionaire, developing downtown las vegas, collsions, employees within walking distance, apartment buildings, community, collisions, people would randomly run into each other, valuable knowledge skills, businesses or share information, help other businesses, connect people to each other, part of culture down there, the mode that is happening with social distancing, how that ripples second 3rd, 4th, order effects, ripple through culture, demolition man style, people aren’t able to have same economic activity, too scared to shake each others hands, had experience on island, recognized me from tv days, rapport, connection in meeting, everybody where masks, following along, wasn’t until 3rd meeting, 3 days got a chance to shake hands

TP: neo punk rock movement, people who signal their waiver, rebellion of people who say we have enough diy medicine shamans, in our community, neo tribe, rather die on feet than live on our knees, embrace chaos, embrace nature, virological chaos punks, new subculture, stark above ground underground, sci fi, underworld dwellers, social distancing, demerit tickets, deduct your central bank digital currency, above ground, hyper hiegene, culture, trusting big pharma, underground abandoned subways, not gonna come back in that paradigm

VA: a lot of these space, gonna be abandoned, underground will thrive on that carcass, that has been the way that history has moved always

TP: just balkanization of sorts

VA: roman empire, fell, didn’t fall, receded back to east, constantinople, byzantiane, empire survived a long time, until ottomans took, 1200 or something, 1000 years almost that the roman empire continued after what we call the fall of rome, receded, empire fell, but receded, not like everything just died

TP: although they did lose the recipe for concrete for hundreds of years, marveling at relics don’t know how they were built

VA: that’s the return to the garden, that is the story of adam, he’s marveling at the garden that was build by god, he didn’t have the skills to build that, lost from him, when kicked from it

fall of rome, trading all over place, decadent age, falls, recedes, farther outpost england, recedes from there, england falls into time of magic, arthurian lengends, merlin, after romans, with math, science, architure, advance language, finance, fell into magic, history had a break, came into mythological time, in the same way where much of the real world is going to be abandoned, the matrix again, the real world is going to be abandoned, no need for real world, living in virtual world, everything goes into virtual world, people will literally need to live in a closet, going out, going into matrix, virtual world, spending more and more time

TP: virus is acceleration of doom climate change, make the air unbreathable, going back to whole in ozone, shocking news, what does it look like if we burn off the atmosphere, mars comes to earth, living in bubble dome, synthetic, haven’t out of thin air be able to make food, definitely grow meat out of primordial ooze

VA: climate change narrative, don’t go out, seeing that, nature is reclaiming these spaces, people have wanted, this idea is perceived as positive, I don’t think we should see as positive

so the issue is when we put something qualitative on the idea nature is reclaiming these space, allegators in venice canals, air is clean, good thing, its simply quantitative, that’s what nature does, nothing posiitive or negative, if people go away from a place, nature recliams it

it takes incredible amounts of maintance for nature to not reclaim something, shit ton of time for it to look like human being s look there, nature will reclaim it while your’e living there, fight to keep nature out

the climate narrative, taken to logical conclusion its a death cult, kill people in that area, remove people from earth, nature takes back the earth, if people are gonna be there, people are going to behave in a certain way, work more inline with nature

we don’t have to do factory farming, we can do food forest, put human hand into, chosen what we want to grow there, if we didn’t do that nature would have chosen, and she might have chosen something we couldn’t eat, what will the human hand look like in this area, in this space, mental space or space of consciousness, will the human hand be benign and sustainable, or will it be pathological and parasitic

either one can generate vast amounts of resources, strip mining can create vast amounts but they’re gone after a while and they just leave a waste land

group that wants to social distance you, put you in pod, if you were taken from home, placed in jail cell, 6×9 cell for 30 years, nature will have retaken your home, is that a good thing?

The new ethos of this movement if there is to be an ethos, human beings are not bad, its not a death cult, it’s not about removing human beings, human beings have an ability to connect with something higher, or ability to fall to lowest of depths, end up with dystopian future, reach for something hire, beautiful and technological

TP: personal evolution, deep ecologist, misanthrope, permaculture not that there’s too many humans, its the behave of the humans that’s the problem, need everybody alive to participate, repair damage and clean up

to add to that point there is a book, thesis of 1491, part of it, entire amazon rainforest is bi-product of human habitation of landscape that was appropriate, lungs of planet wouldn’t have developed as they have it wasn’t for proto tribal villagers, foraging bands, duing horticulture gardening, bi-product scattering seeds with shit, appropriate shelters, creating conditions for more life

words of Geoff Lawton, most accomplished permaculturalist alive, humans used to be and can still be the most beneficial element in an ecosystem

VA: thesis antithesis, two pathways, human beings will recede from nature, seeing it happen already, last vestiges that were connection to nature, in established paradigm, agriculture, vast tracts of ag land, factory farmed or not, people working that land, are connected to nature, connected in a system that whereby their actions enable, millions, few individuals enable millions to not have any connection to nature, lack of connection to source of food, lack of conneciton to source of food is crux of whole thing, food and water, people don’t have access to that is the crux of everything

symbol of ultimate disconnection of source of food to your food, exact thing that were closed first, restaurant, sit down high end restaurant, vast menu, things from global supply chain, combined into one dish, shut down first, now this is the receding the great receding, recession not in economic terms, receding further away from nature, back into itself

as it recedes its gonna give up space, and we need to be filling that space

TP: timing of ai and robotics, we though big ag, chem ag bad enough, now people aren’t even gonna be in the fields to make the ethical decision of whether they’re gonna poison it

virus scortched earth, keeps mutating, recombining, different flue seaons, who’s gonna roll out the smart farm bots, almost there, dystopian, yin/yang, we have the tool kits to return to garden of eden, also have perfect storm to technologically tyranize, I don’t know if its a fair fight, the only thing that levels it is the crypto savage, permaculture farmer can’t win in a fist fight with robots and drones and surveilence capitalism, but crypto, ninjitsu of cryptography

vin armani show, invest in the revolution and get rich doing it, that’s what I finally stopped being a no-coiner

VA: bitcoin mind blowing, new book, needed for this happening now to get next piece in there, what is at the core of bitcoin outside of price, what is this powerful core idea, how does it allow this peer to peer transfer of value, goes into the food thing, growing your own food from a seed or cutting or seedling, something I’ve done since I was a kid, grew up in house that always had a garden planted many fruit trees when I was a kid, family home of mine, awesome to watch my own children pick and eat apples and oranges and pears from trees that I had planted when I was 12 or 13, eaten off of for years

purist notion of understanding lockian notion of property and value, idea that a natural resource combined with labor creates a good, property can be exchanged, growing own food, you always have extra, people don’t realize the abundance of well tended garden, or of a fruit tree that’s a mature fruit tree, apple tree probably 25 years old, rediculous, having existed, there is more wild life now, don’t ever remember squirrles in that neighborhood, recent years, tons of opposoms, lizards, because of damn fruit trees, something for them to eat, I never saw a squrril, growing up in this particular neighborhood, thank god the squirrles were there cause we couldnt’ eat all the apples, oranges, lemons, pears, avocados, given them away, constantly been a garden, constantly been fruit trees, value

bitcoin is leveraging that, aspect of cryptography, really the hashing functions, signature algo, proof, math for proof that something happened, incredible concept, something I can feel absolutely assured that a very very specific act happened in a very specific way, person saying they did is the person who did it, pretty phenomenal, build system around it to transfer value, any kind of value, assign value to things in the world, receding into a virtual world, proof is almost unnecessary, programmer can make anything pop on screen

probably half people test positive for antibodies, mortality rate incredibly low, living in a post proof world, people don’t demand proof, proof is no longer necessary, would of fake news, world of propaganda, 1984

bitcoin, so important, that proof, that ability to use this technique to prove something, anything, proof of work, labor, proof that labor happened, labor is what creates property

that’s the crux of value, that’s recardos labor theory of value, not marx, all value in marketplace is derived from labor

you can’t sell me an apple if you haven’t planted the tree, picked, bought it, exchanged it brought it, there was labor involved somehow

proof of work proves that labor took place, you can build an economy

not money printer goes brrrr, economic system based on a hustle, relatively smart gold hustler, the hustle is falling apart, bitcoin is a gift, proof of work is gift from universe

speculation was a blip, way to ahead of its time in that regard, but now, exchange for food that you grew, outside of this new web panopticon that’s coming, the value is immeasurable, we can build a whole new world with this

TP: invoke this permaculture mycellium, networks, peer to peer, network effects, discoveries, I like the phrase math isn’t invented, its discovered, its nature, Jimmy song said something like that

I want to throw out there, my final thoughts for those listening if you download the permaculture party pack, 72 hour official permaculture design course, bill mollison, geoff lawton, get torrent go through course, youd’ have same qualitification as any other certified designer, you’ll have done the most canonical training

holy grail, crown jewel of systems, chinampas, island water gardening, engineered, most productive landscape engineering design, constructed wetlands that grow crops in islands, into a lake original mexico city, grind pattern out into lake, canoe into gardens, instead of sidewalks and streets, subirrigating crops, drought proof, any climate, super dense polyculture, aquaculture, and dry farm plants, I’m working on now,

another thing, tromp, very few in the world, cant’ say exact history, way to create infinite free energy, harnessing energy created by falling water, water fall, can’t efficiently create cap on the break, air bubbles, energy events, difficult to put turbine on top of that, but if put water stream flow, drops underground, engineered cave, going down pipes, giant metal bell, to capture that vibrating energy, gas exchange where waters breaking, nature process, compression of air, gives infinite compressed air used to power vehicles, turbine to generate electricity, transapocalyptic bitcoin mining operation, restoring watersheds, greening deserts, beyond solar, harvesting wasting energy, less materials, more sustainable to have bitcoin mining reward to innovate green technology

bitcoin is basically digesting the crudeness and foolishness of this hustler scam that you’re talking about, metamorphize and spit out potentially the most elegant ecological oragami of energy, incentive that pushes us in that direction, most transapocalypitc, techno utopian, forward thinking crypto thesis, tromp, pdc, worth checking out

take us back to family farm in eden

VA: that’s a beautiful view, also believed the mechanism of proof of work, incentive is most efficient and sustainable form of energy possible, utilizing nature, free and natural resources given by nature in place, where proof of work is fated and destined to go, things to move forward on, bitcoin, multigeneration project, changes we’re talking about, happening quickly, but what we’re seeing now is the birth/death singularity, of actual cross over time, while that doesn’t happen in an instant, birth/dying process, death and dying process can be very extended for some people or it can be instant, birth is a probably a lot better, window of labor and birth, piece after, before the child is nursing and resting, still precarious time, we’re in the midst of that, right now we’re in labor pains, happening fast, level of intensity, happening to entire human family, to entire species, something we couldn’t have imagined, many of us knew clearly it was coming, this shift, opportunity is amazing

somewhere in our dna we knew that this was coming, same way mother knows child is coming, we’ve been pregnant with this change as a species, scary time, child coming can be still born, mother can also die, that’s not the case here per say, I don’t think this is a false start, communist revolution might have been false start, clearly was still born, 70 year period, it never really got its legs, fighting for life, but this is real, both mother and child are gonna live through this one, but always two children are born, right hand path left hand path, yin/yang, duality, multi generational project, don’t expect to see final outcome, incredibly interesting times, we have the tools on both sides, opportunity to make a choice, few generations to have the ability to make a choice

matrix, cypher, wants to get put back in matrix because he’s miserable in the real world

what you resonate with his how you make your choice, really make the choice in the heart, gonna take a level of bravery, a lot of sacrifice, relatively less sacrifice, nothing you have now that is going to be here 5 years from now, nothing, if ever a time to give it up, now is the time, it’s not continuing through this, birth is being made, new thing is here, make choice which side you want to stand on, hold on it’s gonna be a wild ride

TP: streamlining for flight into hyperspace, terrence line

grow deeper roots in on going conversation, welcome back anytime, sooner than later

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VA: @vinarmani on twitter, for now that’s good, pulling back a bit, more with vinarmani.com, showcasing platforms, code from go courses back, more of a sustainability tool kit things people can be using, twitter, at vin armani, best place

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This episode is a conversation with Mark A. Michaels (Swami Umeshanand Saraswati), an old-school east coast punk rocker who’s been initiated into a traditional tantra lineage and has been co-authoring books and teaching tantra with his beloved wife for many years.

We discuss the complementary aspects of the punk rock movement and the tantric path of consciousness expansion and personal, spiritual, and erotic empowerment.

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Read his great essay on tantra and punk here: http://tantrik.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. 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Mumford or 20 another capella saraswoti he’s based in Sydney and he really which one of the Pioneers in bringing the sexual aspects of Tantra to the West in the mid-1970s I hear he was initiated in 76 and came back and gave a series of Seminole lectures on the subject and 77 and we will you know we’ve been his disciples now for going on fifteen years he initiated me as a Swami in 2003 and mavis’s is lineage holders that we’ve we do have a a traditional Indian traditional background her first book was based on those lectures he gave and 70 specs and it’s called the essence of Tantra sexuality reply to work backwards in a way from not stuck with a second book called time for cirrhotic empowerment which is more of a workbook and a kind of introductory introductory that our next book which is which came out in 2012 is called the Great Section 8 Simple and it’s it’s a real beginners book on top in a kind of tip format but being sting to people we are we couldn’t resist including a lot of pretty esoteric stuff in there so I didn’t even people who have a lot more experience with with the tradition you know might find some some surprising new elements in that book and finally our recent my most recent book which came out last February is a much more General kind of book called partners and passion a guide to great sex and Missy and long-term love and it’s really a relationship book that draws on our 15 years together and then all of our work teaching you know worldwide and and it’s fully informed by a background in Contra but it’s it’s not a pocketbook purse a setup a nutshell overview of the conflict side I also have a law degree from NYU and and did American Indian law for about a decade and I also have a couple of degrees in American studies graduate-level stuff so I’d background that’s certainly had a lot of more kind of academic training as a as a piece of that wow that is amazing I think you just became my personal hero and I’m standing up for everything and I’m exhausted all the books because I did a Google search I’ve been studying this field for a while but it was recently that I came across your work and and yeah I feel I feel great affinity and more and more SM can you talk so do you want to talk a bit about the role of punk rock in your life is and how that jives with all this stuff I don’t know maybe five or six years ago and I hadn’t really until that time thought about how these kind of different strands in my life of overlapping and entwined but but looking back on it and then I guess feeling a little bit alienated from some of the more new AG stuff that’s out there I I I started looking back at my my roots and pumpkin and seeing how these two things really connect and Heather are very much the same thing in a way I was I grew up in New York City in the in the 1970s and well you know early on kind of a wannabe hippie but I was twelve and not really it was in a lot of ways I was fascinated by it but I was I was too young and I think I would have things I want to say about Punk thing we’re all hippies now and looking back you know almost 40 years later I think there’s a lot of Truth in that but you know we at in that first generation of punk rockers work in reaction against what are older for the people the age of our older siblings were doing it and so there was with kind of opposition to it that we all we all Express back then but good looking back I think in many ways it hasn’t worked in a finity that I would ever have admitting in 1976 but I I discovered my my first experience with punk rock was actually it in 1975 and it was at the end of the Vietnam War concert in Central Park is a big free concert with all kinds of folk movement celebrities and was still Oaks his last last performance I Believers are very close to his last and Tom Paxton and Joan Baez been there quite a few letters but the thing that really stood out for me was a performance by Patti Smith and she did just did Hey Joe and piss Factory it’s at that concert but it was like nothing I’ve ever seen before and I was just really taken by it a little weirded out by it a little intimidated by it she talked about the connection between rock and roll and violence and you know at the end of the Vietnam War concert that was a pretty shocking thing for someone to say so I just for the file that away and then a few months later there was a front-page article in the New York Times magazine about her and it was right before horses came out and I was you know I remember having seen her I was very intrigued and I probably got the record but certainly the first pigs that she didn’t support right after the record came out with the bottom line in New York and I was 75 so I was 16 I got a friend’s older sister who was a big fan two to take me to the bottom line it was a lot easier to get into clubs back then and I we we smoked a joint in the car before the before the show by by the end of the show I was completely no longer high and we were just neither one of us could move it was so powerful and profound and I sorta got hooked after that so from there I started going to see the TVs a couple of months later and pretty much saw all of that you know the first generation of New York punk rock and and became quite devoted to the whole scene so I think we might be kind of a different generation of a punk rocker but are totally 15% cotton from looking at your your material and in your side yeah yeah definitely the lineages evolving in and it’s it’s own I think of it as you heard of the aghori to do cold getting attached I think about the absolute pronunciation of all of all kind of smashed everything sacred because it was rebelling against this is so many different levels of corruption within religion of course in and then also this type of identification with material wealth in prestige in all of the things that supposed to be smashing through to get to the heart of being and no justice in raw Primal Rage in rebellion in 10 so icy I feel through the different phases of evolution in punk rock it’s it’s reflecting that I didn’t post to shed the material and get deeper into the spiritual but there’s been a lack of guidance I think in the punk rock movement and can I feel like I’m very compelled now having gotten to Tantra to bring some of the principles and teaching into the my still very well connected to a guest role within the punk rock Community still and still being outside can musician and I still have albums coming out and I still have a role to play there is much older there’s parts of me that want to can’t move away from that move further away from it and moved more towards Consciousness and more an hour away from the alcohol abuse and the and the mosh pit and dancing in sacred geometrical forms rather than in the mosh pit which is this kind of like tomorrow said yeah I guess that agrees to do kind of kind of approach that what do you know back in there in the really early days of New York in the end I think this thing that was maybe different about that moment was there was a lot before so there was no more I mean we you know Max isn’t cbgb’s it was tables because New York has these weird laws against dancing so there was no match pets people might stand around the stage but that whole kind of thing is it’s sort of emerged out of the British the British seen and and sort of I think it’s the LA kind of Hardcore signal came along more like around 1980 or so but you know 76 77 it was a real person and really Bohemian movement but I think shared more like a lot more expensive bility than sound because you had bands is the versus television Talking Heads you know Ramones Blondie different kinds of sounds and I think that I found one of the key pieces for me as a kid was like it didn’t matter who you were you know it was like at cbgb’s you had I didn’t know if this was a Hells Angel Fire so you had like pallets Angels there and then you have you know we are kids you have you have really kind of just beer drinking Guys from Brooklyn and then you’d have like Artie people from New York and and it it was a place where any kind of Misfit with 10 and it was it was wonderful in that way I think Patty was the real in a book The toddy Smith was the real monster Talent became out of that scene and see to me was always very very consciously and her performances and there was a distinctly contract and transgressive element that side to me it sort of fell into being self-indulgent sometimes when she was on she just took you into this whole at around quitting balls going through some pretty dark and unpleasant very dark and unpleasant kinds of places to to get there and then you have a I’m fascinated by your your work with the the Native American law and did you feel like your progression from Punk into more formal activism within new advocacy type of work with that was that the directional is going from in your you’re here by illegal Korea honestly not really I I I don’t see a deep connection between those two things I think I mean a lot of my life has been about service so and that was ten years of of really doing service and you know supporting supporting a community that is not my own in really working as in service to them you know I think a lot of a lot of white people think I want to go help others that they do they they often will do it in a kind of kind of lipstick William and I felt like my job at that time was to to keep my mouth shut and listen and and learn and and make myself available and I don’t have a bunch of other things in the intervening seven or eight years between moving away from Panguitch I got kind of turned off by the scene in the in the early 80s because there was just so much so much drug abuse and I think one of the final kind of turning points for me was I had been friendly with with Johnny Thunders when I was in college and my band open Fruit for his band a couple of times and stuff for this is and I went to Michigan and he was in Ann Arbor for 4. Of time and I came back to New York and it was probably 1982-83 and I went to see, yet it was just is his addiction was consuming and at that point and and it was just depressing and I really kind of felt this since it was time for me to start moving on and getting more and more into kind of American Roots Music which you know it has it has a lot of the same sensibility and authenticity to it but I was feeling a little bit that I’d outgrown what was happening in the in the punk scene. And I was kind of during my my law school years and then I worked in theater for a while as well so we definitely have had a kind of similar fractal evolution in different ways yeah from getting into the raw Primal passion and power and spiritual dimensions of punk rock and and then getting kind of more refined into our personal spiritual practices and also her service and and I’ve gotten kind of professionally into a permaculture design and edible landscape design stuff and ecological service and restoration work and and if yeah I had this ZIP honks at the expense and kind of evolved with me in different ways and ultimately took the past Securities pass to end up in serious relationship with the Tantra tradition and trying to I understand it as fully as possible and seek lineages to work within and get beyond the surface of the type of better sex and all that obviously a good thing and it’s kind of what we’ve allowed people to that to this time I’m kind of at a point where I wanted to integrate the sidse empowerment aspect of contract with the the mission of punk and the mission of of different forms of activism and social justice and environmental justice and what I’m discovering and and have been practicing over the last several years is that there’s this has been this completely taboo and seemingly a Colts and hidden realm of power a whole dimension for a multiplicity of dimensions of power that come from being conscious and intelligent directed use of sexual energy to energize and to manifest and to heal heal and to sustain positive healthy co-creative and synergistic Human Relationships there’s all these I don’t want to say weapons but I don’t want to say tools that can be you know applied and adapted from from Tantra that can really solve a lot of problems I feel for dissolution activists and people who have for Serta bearing the wound during the wounds of the Kali Yuga as it’s called you know in the Hindu tradition in pain like I’m I’m feeling very drawn compelled to help people who are struggling with this some the reality that we live in obviously and I are going against the mainstream and then not having spiritual tools to sustain their sense of well-being and balance and to avoid the drug addiction and avoid the violence and avoid the bad and dangerous sex and the unconscious behavior and have more of that light energy falling through that Hearts face that’s coming from the disillusionment and what’s you know all the lyrics and all of the Power and rage of the punk rock movement you know a lot of it in that people just end up going getting sucked into a black hole pain and not finding something to piss like a platform of life that can help them be elevated and I feel like that’s the there’s a lot of that to be learned from personal Tantra practice and also understanding this the Deep history of it visa Vie its relationship to it’s kind of like a prescription for this this demonic Kali Yuga time that were in this is like the gifts that was designed for people to be able to hold their bearings with all this pressure to start stage kind of pressure and I’m wondering if you how you feel about that kind of strategic application for people who are activists are punks or people who are fighting in the shadow and and I’m kind of at a loss for question but enhance I mean I think that you know my own experience would have been in activism is that because you’re intent upon degree actually even with teaching and writing and traveling is that if you were really in a roll of of being serviced and working to help others if they can be very easily easy to neglect your own your own while being on your own space and so having some kind of practice I am some kind of capacity to look Inward and then recharge is essential because if you don’t have that you you will burn out very quickly so that’s that’s one piece I mean on the punt side of things I’m thinking about kind of going back to the early days the difference between the class in the sex pistols and I think people have ten to two pieces to this one is that people tend to associate like the epitome of Punk with with the sex pistols and they really were pretty nihilistic when you get down to it and and pretty much driven by rage the class really were kind of different than and then suddenly there was anger and frustration and and especially in the early material but they were much more about a vision of Love Community about a vision of a future where people treated each other differently and so I think looking back you know that that was a real Fisher within the movement I’m and unfortunately swerved you know especially seeing younger kids idolizing Sid Vicious I just kind of got disgusted because I think that’s that was sort of a perversion and away if of what it was really all about adding another piece of that pit that maybe got lost is like there’s a lot of the early New York men’s had this incredible sort of dark humor about them and I think that’s an important thing for people to keep in mind to it’s like if you can’t laugh why are you do you know and then sometimes it’s really appalling stuff but it’s one of the ways that we can help process yeah it was just an absolute Entre Workshop where one of the exercises was to look at look at various issues and and then laugh just allow yourself to laugh about it even if it was heinous stuff just getting in that space and then be able to reclaim some power around it and not be just going by the pain all the time and I’m thrilled that you have such extensive traditional training and end I think I’m God is so many ways to Define this sometimes nebulous feel that subconscious but I think I’m the one dimension that is coming up for me right now is the idea of the sort of alchemy of dissolving Polar Opposites into a swirling spiraling Union of totality that you can Embrace synonym sort of sigh of relief that you’re not being stretched into the stream positions of opposites in Union goal of the lovemaking Rachel and all that but as far as healthy a healthier way to integrate the Shadow and not just be consumed by it did you yeah if you can you talk a little bit about just your some of the differences between the the the more traditional lifelong Guru initiation Tantra cast in nn how that relates to what people are just we getting in to know about the tantric sex stuff is different about the traditional linear space is it there’s an idea of power and transmission that comes when you’re initiated by someone in and you know that is something that I’ve experienced than I’m having a level of accountability to not trust your teacher but to the whole lineage of being more grounded I think that one of the big differences is that in the in the more linear space even if you’re even if you’re instructed in the sexual aspects there’s so so so much more than 10 sexuality that is that it involves it’s it’s really an approach living and you know in our in our work with Dr Munford I mean we please pass the sexual teachings on to us but she’s never rely directly taught us anything sexual and different ways to meditate it’s really about going deep with them and see the funds contras tool for expansion and the tool is your you’re you’re not even what you’re expanding is your Consciousness and really any experience that you’re having as an opportunity to do that if you approach it with the right mindset so I think that also tends to get lost in in much of the popular stuff that’s out there that the country is not it’s not a set of sexual practices it’s not at something you do when everything is going right and you flipped handles and you know you’re having a great ritual with it with a partner it’s really about how you live your life every moment and to you as I just finished reading a book called Township have to ecstasy and it was the rule Southworth church first thing sucks is that it’s really help me get more of a deeper appreciation for the yeah they obviously the deaths in The Roots end and something very interesting that I felt it struck me immediately reading it was was this notion that the the township pass was was according to my understanding is that are my interpretation reading a book is that it is just that there was more of a type of age in the Hindu World ages they anticipated the coming of the Kali Yuga part of the cycle which was this dark demonic stage of spice and you know I want to see spend because of the baggage with that but but but but definitely this sort of pressure to succumb to the Demonic forces that that that the real it’s not like a like a cartoony hokey mythological notion of of evil in the world or demonic entities it’s is very phenomenological the way that they ate the way that they understand this influence of dark energies into the human psyche in human culture and soul lyrics tactical preparation for this age was to develop what was actually a very strip down and reduced spiritual practice to the complexity of those country was only a fraction of the totality of the spiritual path but it was just enough to hopefully help us get through this Dark Age that we’re going through and it’s it’s like telescoping in extremes of darkness and now with all those people have obviously my journey we have less and less time to practice anything spiritual to do anything in the inner Realms of a being because of all the distractions and all of the demands and all of the Stillman it’s like to the human consciousness is getting more and more male forced away from these two practices and it just seems to be fulfilling a prophecy that we’re in this really dark time and the dishes like a sort of a gift that was given to humanity to help us navigate these times and find some power imbalance and few have did that something you’ve come across this sort of a spiritual warrior path I guess I don’t know exactly how to frame into a into a question but that’s that’s where this Punk thing is the punk Anna Tantra is not just a way to experience the four more beautiful and Rich life that you know kind of the new age you think of just but it’s more it’s for me I see it I see it now more than ever is is more of a spiritual empowerment in the context of this the negativity that were in in an RN and giving us a sort of Duty to be service workers are lightworkers in and cleaning resistance you know that’s that’s the word I’m looking for a passive resistance and of resisting the temptation to fall into the darkness and also resisting by bringing light do our bodies and through our relationships to shine down the shadow of this age until we get to the next part of the cycle where it should be easier is that any of that one thing I would say is that it is definitely a path of resistance and transgression and not complying with what you know what the dominant society says want to do and I think if you go back to really there’s a book called Kiss of the Allegheny with I think it’s the best storical analysis of Tantra and he really does feel hotter is David court and white and he really talks about the origins in the in the early, narrow if it’s not a it’s a tradition is somewhat make it out to be and and the Really oppositional nature of it at that time reacting against sort of Orthodoxy in in that. And India while drawing on some very old aspects of the cultural Traditions that existed there and so it is it definitely oppositional I think that one of the things and I’m not sure this is in total agreement with what you suggested but it may be a different way of looking at it is that part of the Alchemy in Contra and end it is implicit in the symbolism of Kali is it that you you really want to dive into the darkest stuff and through that process of driving in you’ve transformed what might be perceived as as dangerous adversarial threatening to you horrifying Etc into something that’s a tool for empowering yourself and so we can’t we can’t eat a week at our Peril we ignore the darkness and we’re try to pretend that all we’re doing is dancing in the light so there is a there’s a real there is a warrior past there is a you know there is a ferocity to it and and that’s that’s that’s absolutely true instead of thinking about polarities which you know which is definitely part of the tradition but what we like to teach people is that yes there are these poles of you no energy and Consciousness if you want to call that masculine feminine time of being aware and as of tuning out and what we really want to strive for in life is being able to move along the full spectrum between those perceived polarities so that were were sort of more fully there and have more choice about how we are in the world at any given moment cool yeah that’s good thank you for entertaining these supposed to bury esoteric thoughts on the stuff in and getting more practical people which everyone has almost everyone has the specs driving and and seeks to be loved and to love and to be in a relationship and more and more things are kind of a rotating the coming just to modify the hyper teknologize modern lifestyle is making it more and more difficult for people to spend quality time together into a heel and sustain a relationship so so if you if we if you want to speak for bit about some some of your tips for staining relationships without having without being with most of us not having the ability to get to get initiated by Guru in spin really get immersed in his life path. What what are some you know handfuls of of tips and tricks that people can use to acquire this and then this is something that Patricia and I think about a lot you know because we are 21st century Americans were not 9th century Indians and then have What What In This tradition really resonates what’s applicable across cultures what’s applicable in our current situation and in the in the rituals and if the sexual rituals in ancient mantra spell Alka-Seltzer to the extent that has practice today it’s still there the sexual ritual would involve sometimes a partner who is selected at random but the record of the ritual in the end the function of the rituals that each person is dare to be in service to the other to worship the other as an embodiment of god or goddess and to facilitate the other in achieving mystical experiences through the sexual ritual so the attitude is one they’re going back to the word service again but the attitude is one in which each participant is there to be in service to the other and how does that translate into a you know 21st century relationship model well for one thing one of the reasons they picked people at random sometimes was because it’s a lot easier to worship, you don’t know then to work with someone you do because you don’t have all of the you know the baggage in The Impressions that you carry with them and so on so what we think is to carry this idea from the sexual into all aspects of your relationship you know and that’s why they are monogamous Holly configuration or whatever to bring this out of reverence and service into your interactions course it has to be mutually agreed upon him in any relationship because it’s only one person is doing it at that type of service and reference into all of urine tract have it in the back of your mind even when you’re having you know an argument or something it can be really transformational and I think I’d the concept of reverence is something that across-the-board we are losing and losing fast in this you know in this culture everything’s disposable you know it’s obvious and how people are really Cavalier and you know and how they they treat the planet and how they treat each other and so it’s a it’s really a radical thing to do to try to live with Reverend you don’t have to have any belief system to do that either I think that’s really important it’s not about you know a belief in a day Eddie it’s it’s really an attitude of being in the world I don’t know one of the great things about Tantra is that you know it’s it’s belief is really secondary I mean if you want to believe in in the sense that the chakras are real that’s even talk to your real that’s perfectly fine but you can also just see them as as symbolic you can see them as metaphor you can see the chakras as a kind of tool for visualizing your internal energetic world you don’t have to accept them is physically real so it’s a pain it’s not about what you believe it’s not really doing what what work experience and your other question which is the Kundalini experience I think is something that I feel portable a good part of my activism is six six sexual health education and holistic special education that gives people switch that mean I guess I just kind of framing this begin within the context is wow do you know with it. She was created by people who had who had an easier time having more having such a deep and enrich spiritual life where they really designed human culture to be in right alignment with nature and were we’re just hygienic spiritually so that there wasn’t so much pathology and so much just fragmentation and social disease and if they had more blessed than more intimacy with the Divine and intimacy with each other and that was you know this experience I can only imagine what it would be like having grown up in this reality of absolute materialism absolute schizophrenia about sexuality and all these things that a disorder and then so the country was with that was supposed to be a help us get through this time and then now we’re in a time where it’s even we have even less time and so the special like this hand stretch out stretching to us in the present moment of of these gifts of wisdom and in and so really it is more and more buried and I’m scared even presents to know her tour like you’re saying reference for things just kind of like not even cool it’s like what are you doing aren’t you shouldn’t you be texting somebody or ridiculing something in the moving on to the next internet meme or the next tweet or something just completely orwellian and it’s reduction of the complexity of experience that was a long a long practice to something I think is maybe want maybe will only be able to train this generation to potentially have ejaculation control and that would be as far as the eye that would be a huge Great Leap out of this Dark Realm that were in so that they can be more percent better serving in being better service to their love-making Partners if they can last longer because they do this press and energy circulation in and they can have multiple orgasms for continuous longer-lasting orgasmic wavespace and that’s one of the I guess the the gift of it and then another thing is is I like I would love to see people in modernity discover Tantra and then instead of having this idea of fucking and getting laid and getting lucky they’re having this idea of how who am I going to find a co-creative magical a synergistic co-creative magical manifestation partner with who will who will Who will sit with me and be present and we’re going to stir up the Kundalini Shakti energy and have it on coil so that we know I stopped into these other Realms so fast airplane I think those if men can and can learn how to control ejaculation and the and a cursory knowledge of the chakra system can be can be instilled and then this yearning to 2 to invite in the show me Shakti energy if that could be known about I’m feeling very compelled to try to get people aware of that potential so that it’s not just getting off and ejaculating in conquering someone’s body and leaving them with cab fare which is you know sadly and then all the horrible porn that people are addicted to end the violence and the domination that’s being propagated through that so yeah do you have any tips for male ejaculation control and the Kundalini experience in any any would say that in my view in it in our training at the issue of of ejaculation is is not quite so important and in fact if you go back to the early rituals that was Central to the to the entire ritual so just a big caveat up front on this and I think that the idea of control is is a bit of a pitfall to because I’ve seen it happen where it just becomes another vehicle for sort of machismo so what what I was taught to think about was more regulation and control I like that word better yet so that’s one piece of that I think the other piece of it the purpose of non ejaculatory taxes as I see it is it’s a learning tool it’s a way to learn to separate the orgasm from the station from your chocolate or a response and once you’ve learned that and you can sort of you have freedom to play around with it and and explore a much broader range forecast my possibilities what I would say is that in our culture people who are born grow up and identify as male have not had the opportunity to explore sexuality in the way that at least some women have you know there’s a whole kind of Betty Dodson movement of self pleasuring with awareness and and as a tool for expanding Consciousness but if you’re if you’re if you have a penis in your and you’ve grown up mail and you have the feedback loop of erection ejaculation you know NM think that’s exactly a shin and orgasm at the same thing it’s really easy to just get stuck in that loop with limits your your possibilities and it’s so there hasn’t been an equivalent of daddy. Sindhu for a first-rate man there has been a bit more in the gay community with Body Electric and Joe Kramer and then that whole aspect of things but if you have a brother is kind of a typical straight American guy you got a very limited understanding of sex quality handyman and sexual self-exploration is something basically like you don’t do because it’s all there right in front of you so more than ejaculating and not ejaculating free much more Consciousness and awareness to two male sexuality and I’m getting out of the kind of hyper-masculine mindset that much younger man I mean not long ago we had a couple of conversation with women in their 20s about this and a book launch at our current title at a local restaurant in one of the wait staff said how I really like to bring home to my boyfriend but if I did he’d be insulted and that was kind of at once through shocking and and sad because I think guys are socialized to think I’ve got a know-it-all and if anybody suggest that I need to learn anything why we’ve heard this from much older man as well I don’t need your book I know it all maybe you don’t need your feet are both but you know maybe maybe our bucks would be really helpful and give you some new new new possibilities and then these things to explore the socialization is so strong that you can’t allow that but I think you know men by larger really really confined by the demands of what it means Cena what culture says it means to be masculine as a musician I study the music industry and I I don’t do no I don’t I can’t say I don’t fantasize about having let’s say personally I think it be possible for me to have could just have a bit of influence if your music career and but I look at the real rock gods and the real people who are defining Global masculinity for young men today are the the pop stars you know there’s a real Shaman says it’s better that the shortest Blackmagic shamans and fortunately I mean I guess I shouldn’t I’ve heard of people paid if you if you’re not healing people and you doing Blackmagic on you a little longer a shaman is a shaman healer but let’s just stay at in their cauldron of patriarchal sexual dominating violence they’re basically shaping the attitudes for all men in the end it would just be the goal that I have would be to somebody if it’s not me who has the mic on the stage if I at least I could be rubbing off on people in those industry in the higher level of Industry to to create Reverend stickler around the love making you know staying in and I mean can you just imagine if some of these these icons were were making videos that were showing the real way to worship the Beloved as a goddess and that would be a nice thing with the with the Kundalini Shakti experience thing I feel like that’s the proof in the pudding and that’s the way the sort of shocking wake-up call this is Alexis electrical energy this powerful surge of energy is what kind of spiritual and religious Traditions have a hard time I think really authentically delivering a repeatable mystical experience the Kundalini experience which requires some procedure to access some people have it spontaneously out of nowhere and I have what what is a clinical psychologist call Kundalini syndrome which can if you know people can snap their neck people can have disordered Minds face and dizziness and all kinds of negative still at serious side effects from from premature Kundalini sort of experiences and so on the one hand I’m staying to myself this is the vicious human sexuality 2.0 everyone’s getting into I mean in the midst of all this toxic pouring I’ll let you know if I’ll inform there is also the sexy people who are who are giving people tools for more pleasure and stuff but the real Mex Mex level is when humans win Global Humanity as can if I the internet understand that there is this natural phenomenon this sort of force of nature that the Kim to the Holy Ghost this experience of move something is here and it is not what I considered to be me and it’s not like you’re considered to be you and it is this massive Niagara of energy that’s tangible flowing through a systems in how do you know we have to that that’s kind of like the the real money shot the real the real thing to do to speak to a team and it’s been in it doesn’t require Decades of worship at the feet of a guru to access it really can be accessed being a sub for a minute and then there’s the whole fire-breathing Jedi Knight orgasm using the force to induce these full body orgasmic waves and that’s like another parlor trick of times it is coming out butt I’m so I’m feeling like I’m going to be an evangelist of of Awakening Kundalini and that’s going to have people go okay while we’ve been stoled a real a real week you’re the sort of them we’ve been scammed with what we’ve been taught sexuality than this is a way to start to open up to its being way more bass in this potential and but there is this element of danger with it so I’m wondering and you were training what do you have warnings advise anyting medical spiritual in our tradition the ideas that Kundalini has really acted in in us all the time and what the practices are about is really about bringing awareness to them to the energy and so it’s sort of a different model from The Awakening kind of idea and I will say I had a pretty much spontaneous Awakening myself which fortunately I kind of was informed about what it was and therefore was able to manage should I also was done a lot of therapy before so I knew myself pretty well I think what happens often when people have these experiences is that they don’t have a framework in which to put it and then and not causes them to freak out psychotic break is this ultimately leading to Greater integration or not practice is about creating a container in which that energy can be managed in and worked with me that’s not the only point but it’s one of the points and if it’s why there’s you know in many Traditions there is a years and years of study and practice before before you get into the really intense energy moving stuff so if you have the Awakening type experience prematurely I think they’re kind of the three potential potential negative outcomes one is that it is actually some kind of episode of mental illness in the end and in that case you really need to seek help right away the other is that you don’t have you don’t you haven’t developed the container or you’re not in a contact swear where you understand enough to be able to make the most of it or you just have it and go home from the weekend and and don’t do anything with it so what what’s important is that there be some kind of foundation laid before before people start going for the big the big energy movements I think it’s a pitfall 2 of the kind of Workshop culture that we have in in the society that you know you go to a weekend workshop and you have a peak experience and you go home and then a lot of people I think don’t have a way to integrate Peak experience into their own lives or don’t have a way to make it happen for themselves when they want to so it just meant it’s like okay me to spend more money on Workshop yeah that’s it that’s that’s an interesting I have a sick kind of semi always saves you really think that original Karate was designed to be taught you know a couple hours a week so that you get your black belt and move on and smell these were people that this was it a life not and not just a lifestyle either it was an absolutely fully encompassing religious spiritual physical everything past 7 and I’m still again we’re just in the fragmented reality so much and inspect experience that makes you feel like you you’re your actual body is that you can sense the perimeter of your body being several many times larger than what you’re used to and then you have to go back into a cubicle on Monday work through this has been studying it I feel like what seems to be happening is the people that have the real discombobulated and kind of dramatic and and painful and disorienting experiences of the first ones they have I get to way that I’ve heard described that this if you haven’t opened your valves and been conditioned the noughties you know the electrical current in Turkey chakra interconnecting kind of circuitry if you haven’t cleanse those and condition them and widen them and dilated them so that’s the pressure fire hose for a fire hydrant kind of pressure If you’re trying to connect your kitchen sink to a fire hydrant dilating and expanding and then you become more of me like you’re saying it’s it’s always there and then you can be with it on a regular and uneven a constant basis and a night for me I feel like dancing is a huge part of are you guys people dance your way into the bedroom into the lovemaking ritual and then you will have and then massage you know if you can massage in dance in a pyramid that leads to sexual unions then you’re going to have really really prepared and dilated all those subtle energy Pathways to be able to receive more and more and then take it all the way and then of course all the emotional blockages that people have if this is this make it’s this fire of purification where you can actually burn off lifetime is of karma if you have your really gnarled up inside with all these emotional knots and this thing is just going to rip through it all it’s going to be Carnage I feel like is the Kundalini if you were to take aerial shots you know if they’re punks in the mosh pit doing a circle pit in there that is weaving into this higher-dimensional communal Synergy space I do feel I’m pretty much at the end of my my thoughts here so I’ll leave it with that the triumphs of the Kundalini Circle pit did not contact when that energy is moving well and it’s not really you know gratuitously violent there is just incredible sort of ebb and flow and weaving that’s going on it among the people and I think that that’s weird that’s the kind of collective ecstasy that you get in kirtan as well and it in a different kind of format and and it’s all about that sort of transcending the limits of your your own self and feeling a connection outside you know the word yoga means Union so it’s it’s a different form but it’s it’s all about that beautiful yes in a little more I just sit here thinking imagining it is I’ve seen absolute Supernatural miraculous Feats of super male aggressive violent venue seat quite amazing Miracles that it break laws of physics happening at is the Kundalini Shakti thing going on so much do you want to give your websites or any leaves for people to follow and I’m definitely going to be pulling up in and checking out your stuff and getting into a really appreciate everything he isn’t Patricia Emma Emma cinemark.com Tantra pm.com and people can find our books and we’ve got a couple of instructional films in a meditation CD as well so I can find out all about all that stuff on our site all right thank you so much now I Stay America 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