In this episode I share a rebroadcast of The End of the Road Podcast Episode 80 where I was interviewed by Michael Kokal about my tantric path
In this episode I share a lab report from mid 2019 which documents an important break through in my sexual healing with psychedelic goddess worship research. The mixed and mastered version of the Psychedelic Goddess Worship track on the Sexorcism the Tantric Opera album proved to have powerful potentials to induce what I’m calling “shaktification as non-invasive demonectomy. My (non-verbatim) show notes are below.
Non invasive is used for surgeries, the body is not penetrated
Man cave, goddess temple lave, unclinical lab, produced an album to create the vibrational landscape for a non-invasive demonectomy on my self
multiple sessions, increasing doses’
could solve the problem of how do you induce a non-invasive demonectomy, that’s effective, unlike the techniques of the dominant paradigm of exorcism, the catholic church and their protocols
with an understanding, time does not heal, if untreated the infections only get worse and in the case of men, there’s a higher potential of survivor-perpetrators
for women, less likely to harm others, but will often harm themselves, that’s the handy work of the demons that were inserted into them in acts of abuse and molestation
demons express themselves in female survivors much less as sexual offense
in males, less divine feminine grace, cults of gang rape, women don’t usually form thug cults of rape
don’t know of any witches who are known to have done that
but men, gang up and bully runts on football team, and geeks in the classroom, they gang up and rape the cheerleaders, their so susceptible and when you get survivors in that mix, its that much more of a cascading effect
it should be axiomatic, if that infection doesn’t get disinfected immediately, than you are harboring, just like Geiger shows us, is the “face huggers”, that’s what he’s talking about, it’s all demons, their parasites, inject themselves into human host, sexual aliens, if there was a xxx Giger, that’s me, showing what’s going on
gotta figure out how to interrupt the larval cycle, to interrupt the propagation
some times sexual penetration is appropriate, however there are times when it’s not
there’s a magical power that flows through, the goddess kali shaki, and the magic mushroom, what I can demonstrate and have footage of, is capturing the rapid seizure like convulsions that occur with the shakti is invoked, not just shivers, not just normal kriyas, a controlled seizer
a presence of mind, it’s possible to surrender, but be prepared, yoga, martial arts, dancing, landscaping, know my body and have agility to phase in and out of possession states
not faking, not faking, not a parlor trick, not a magic trick, not putting on a show
I have the ability to shut it off, goddess has been earning trust from me so I can surrender more
use elbows to brace neck, stay ahead of the sense of more intense movements
set and setting for combat training, you could use padding, or train on the beach
design consciousness of low impact, the sand absorbs impact, avoiding pavement
expecting to trash around, expecting to be taken for a ride, do due diligence to be warmed up enough
not be in a contortion to snap their neck, people doing jiu jitsu, they’re aware of when they’re in danger, and maneuver out of it
gotta be bad ass ninja warriors
it’s possible, I’ve proven to myself, that adding more people is beneficial, but in the dilemma of when you can’t add anybody, what do you do, well this seems to be it, maybe not the only thing, but could be more effective than calling the local priest exorcist
they did the deeds themselves and now they’re gonna do the exorcism, you brought the demons you’re not taking them out
sexorcism that doesn’t involve any inappropriate touch or any touch at all
it happened to me to a degree never before experienced
it’s happened before, but not to this extent
she’s like an infinite array of octopoid, insectoid, she has the ability to move you in a lot of different ways
she’s going in and doing a demonic abortion
what she’s doing is what an abortion doctor would do
as sad and heartbreaking as it can be, that’s what goddess kali is doing the demons in the chakras, she’s sucking and pulling them out
these are fully formed, although I do see often that there are multiple life stages, there are hatchlings, old ones, etc. we don’t know how long they live
shamans probably have a clue, but we’re grasping in the dark, but that’s what’s happening
if you watch sexorcism the tantric opera where there’s a lot of hand laying on people, sometimes just the aura, it’s a lot of handy work, but what has been achieved to an extreme with me, is that with the track “psychedelic goddess worship” singing the mantras along with it, its raiding the demon nest, allowing kali to do the demonectomy, extracting these violent creatures, shifts in the amount of demonic load, measurable, this is like colonics
I think I made an important discovery, a hands off, solo, non-invasive demonectomy, you may want to try this yourself and go from no medicine, to cannabis low to high dose, then mushrooms low to high dose, and experiment with the music, looping the track psychedelic goddess worship in setting where you have people watching over you, and you’re surrounded by cushions, and you have martial arts/yoga background, be agile like a cat to prevent injury, if that’s you and you’re suffering and you’ve not found healing in toxic relationships, in psychiatric drugs, or yoga postures, or vipasan, or being saved by Jesus, or getting an exorcism, or singing hare krisna, or doing a detox, I say try everything else , this is a last resort
these are things that I”ve seen that will turn you white, like Winston from Ghost Busters
old school orthodox sri rama krisna order kali worshipers say things like think about it, people go to kali when they’re crushed, when they’re hating life because “it least there will be peace”, they’re harangued by demons, you go to the kali temple and there is peace, hopefully not a patriarchal priesthood
I emphasis female kali priestesses in my work, trying to get back the secret mantras, and decode the art,
the braminization of the goddess, “she was a tribal deity who was absorbed into vedic pantheon”
she was/is a village goddess
decolonize your tantra
get back to psychedelic village level goddess worship
occupying armies, languages, soma, occupying, absorb goddesses take them away from the people then feed it back to them and it’s all corrupted, bastardization by priest craft, put in empire of ego, male ego
I bow down to women who are priestesses, sorting it out, pagan villager medicine woman shamanism craft, that’s what we want to get all the way back down to
the pure hearted matriarchs of the village, witch craft
I’ve said it enough times now, how to translate this, we need to give a voice to the witches and let them do it laboratory conditions
I’m just the messenger, the source is the dakinis and yoginis, who are in state of grace simply because they dont’ have a penis that can be weapons
I don’t have a clue about what was really going on with the cult of the 64 yoginis but there seems to have been a ratio of men to women where women are quite obliged to run the show, quite obliged to minimize and intelligently design with the shiva energy, operating within their coven
I will only get better and better at doing the scholarship on these claims
women are blessed and women are cursed and we need to address this without the backlash
we can be brothers in prostration to the goddess, and experience our masculinity in its most potent form
we’ll get hardest erections when we worship the goddess
ritualized sexual matriarch, that’s probably a useful simplified term
a more rapid depiction
high dose mushrooms, safe-ish setting
looping the track psychedelic goddess worship, mixed and mastered version
never before got as far
turned into an astral battlefield, astral combat, very much like scene in big trouble in little china, when Lo Pan fights Eg Shen, astral avatars battle on their behalf
I got into contortions, spontaneous mudras, like speaking in tongues with your hands, never been trained to do, never done before, seeing my fingers become like black widow spider legs, beautiful sacred geometric formations, like weaving a spider web, as I invoke her more and sing her in more, I become what looks like a mix of black soldier fly and cobra, slithering sounds, autonomically happening the more I surrender, seeing myself as sort of dragon fly mixed with black widow, seeing now how you can allow yourself to be, in a benevolent manner, but possessed, so she can devour demons through you
co-presence between dimensions, I had to think omg this is the fly, I’m Jeff Goldbloom, but that was so gruesome and hideous, but this was beautiful, how could that be re-imagined so it was totally beautiful…so the triumphantness of the incredible hulk, still shocking and bizarre, but whats’ the more beautiful transformation where you see it as totally beautiful and elegant, nothing horrific about it, what would that be, there’s a shape shifting character.
it’s like super mario brothers when you get the tanuki suit, you jump on the mushroom and then basically you become big, you go fast, you have super powers you jump high, game play is enhanced, and with the tanuki suit you get this magic item, this feather, if you get it you can jump and almost fly, you get lift off like a helicopter, its been a long time but the thing I’m pointing to is, imagine you have the power to shape shift, as powerful as incredible hulk but not as nasty and freakish as the fly, it’s not like a horror movie like Freddie Kreuger, nightmare on elm street part two where he comes out of the guy and just sheds him, that’s the ugly version, that’s not what I’m talking about, she’s elegantly sharing my space, I am her she is me, queen bee, cobra snake, transitioning to that with the beauty and elegance of the tanuki suit. Maybe in the Star Trek movie where Kirk ends up getting it on with a shape shifter, she was totally hot, she was actually a beast that can shape shift, imagine that you could totally shape shift into a creature and have it be seamless
it’s possible to invoke the goddess and for her to embody you, and not just putting on make up and pretending to be her iconic formation
I normally see her outside of me, this time more than ever, she enveloped me, I’ve been enveloped by her, clamped down on me, fucking me to purify my chakras, but still being outside of me, penetrating, workign through me, she can swim through me, but like being enveloped by a jellyfish, about to get teeth into my chakras
but this way, she is in my like thundercats
another bad version is like the Edgar suit from Men in Black, demons wear me like the Edgar suit, but Kali wears me to extract the demons from the Edgar suit so I can just be Edgar again, then she’s in the suit, but not possessing to do harm
Sufiana didn’t report becoming the insectoid being, but she described herself rolling out her tongue and hissing, the deity possession trance state, the shamanic healing state
I documented that process later, being very limited financially, very limited with legal sanctioning if at all, having some blessing and bold outlaws to join forces with me, not me manipulated a cult, but me offering educational tools, not involving my dick
I keep my pants on for people who are not my lovers, is that fair, that’s probably a fair way to say it, if you’re my client my pants are on, if you’re my lover, that’s negotiable
back to the non-invasive…able to move massive chunks, being rattled like a freight train, by her, squeezing and working with her to do the contracts, she’s doing the work of the abortion doctor, while I’ll in contracts and pushing out at the same time, it’s so harsh, but you know there have to have been abortions throughout time in crude conditions, certainly not modern legally sanctioned conditions, where the intent was to kill the fetus during the contractions of labor
she’s an insectoid alien goddess, with blackskin, and bejeweled eyes, like the tantric scriptures say, read the 1008 names of Kali and you’ll see the depictions
I need artists to help me with this, graphic novelists, visionary artists
if you could see a woman in labor, shaking convulsing, contracting, seizures and convulsion and simultaneously a female abortion doctor reaching in so as not to leave pieces inside trying to get everything out in one whole piece and eating that thing, but it’s not a baby it’s not in the womb, it’s demons in the chakras
an interplay between goddess kali as the hungry abortion doctor, it’s her doing what she’s evolved to do which is eat demons, I’m serving my demons to the goddess,
an interplay of surrender, and the embodying of the goddess through allow her energy and body to enter your body in a way that is non invasive, she is invasive but in a good way and in a welcomed way,
but no instruments, no cutting devices, no fingers, hands, sexual contact by humans, that’s the best way to describe what’s happening
been in this state many many times, what was different this time was the force
this was the first time I was able to do what I wanted to do all these years, was able to carry it out, to a potent degree, get a massive chunk of demonic biomass, with love and power and strength and courage of the goddess inside of me, her power to purge me, with her mandibles, ready to feast, and it being a much much bigger portion, to the degree that I got the sense that her stomach was full, it had only been oderves up to this point, they were just taking out small grains of rice with chopsticks, she was going in their with her salad tongs to get massive platefuls at once, she got so full, I felt like okay I’m exhausted, she’s full, but after these big chunks got out, hadn’t happened before
very light, blinding to the 3rd eye, sheaths my vision, no more seeing the demonic monsters coming out of me, that make alien look like bambi, all of it, once this massive chunk was taken out gets replaced by this beautiful white light, scaring me, did I damage my optic nerve, I’m just seeing pure white, fuck, there’s some kind of damage…no this is the loving light, dont’ freak out and panic now, go with it, enjoy
instructed to use my own hands, placed fingers against root chakra at the perineum, while the white light was there, use the power to seal the chakra, using massage, using this light healing energy, to use mudras, palm chakras, finger chakras, to do this healing work, like cauterizing a wound, the shakti through palm chakra and finger chakras whill the white light is there, wow, fuck yeah, anatomical surgical orthodoxy, what we think about when we talk about a chakra tune up
these analogies to auto mechanics and surgeons are very apt
you’re doing the work with her, auto-non invasive demonectomy
I had the power and free will to move my body, re-adjust for comfort, drink some water, get up and just make sure the door was locked, again, not ideal conditions
there you have it, what I’ve been working on for years, one of the most glorious since 5.5 year ago initiation with Sufiana
I would like to just be living in the world that we created, to never have been separated by financial duress, within the realm of reasonable periodicity, with medical staff, scientists, medical researchers, the Bangladesh UN security force, that’s what I fantasize about, having the support to do it right
this is like version 0.0001 of the technology, this is not ready, I don’t know what it’s ready for, if you’re suicidal right now and it’s a question of you killing yourself and you dabbling into what I’m talking about, I’m willing to take that risk, this isn’t medical advice, this isn’t therapeutic/psychiatric advise, I’ll make all the disclaimers, in the spirt of YOLO, (actually its not yolo because you live many times) don’t do this in the spirit that everybody wants to see the machine elves that Terence Mckenna talks about, this is a little more extreme than that, do this because it’s life and death for you right until we get the point with research to where so mild version exists, like salsa there will be mild, medium, hot, warning label, extreme hot
if you want to dabble because you’re an extreme case of demon infection, they’re in those hard to reach spots, there’s that song where my demons hide, you want to know, It’s possible to find out, I’m not gonna tell everyone to follow my path
Kali Mandir satsang, a lot of these scriptures, don’t think that they’re all agreed upon by all the priests and priestesses, there are things that are written in stone, but a lot of the scriptures were people exploring and taking notes, like a yogi could be saying “when I said this mantra, at this place and this time in this way, I got reversed gang banged by hot astral dakinis, and I don’t know if this will happen to you, this is me I’m doing me, you do you, I don’t want to implant thought forms and skew it, and contaminated the control group, I’m just trying to build on my own research, I love what the yogis say, talking about female astral non human entities, coming down purifying his soul and doing all this healing work, sounds like what I’m talking about and if he were on mushrooms he’d be able to describe in greater detail, or maybe he was a yogi that attained an endogenous psychedelic state
nothing new here, I’m saying things that have been suppressed for by patriarchy demonic war lords for 1000s of years, but were open source tech as sexual shamanic witchcraft, held by cultures of the world, just business as usually to maintain a shamanic community
when its a matter of infestation of lower chakras, there’s some modality that’s not creepy, predatory or abusive, to somehow empower people to have auto-non-invasive demonectomy sexorcism, auto invasive demonectomy sexorcism, I’ve milked my own prostate, kali possessing me, shards of light coming in, healing, demons coming out, most stunning gorgeous arrays, beauty is subjective, every woman and aspiring woman who ever put on make up with the intent to beautify herself, what every single one strives for is what can be seen when you invoke the goddess with these mantras, and with 3rd eye open with mushrooms
me doing me, phenomenologically, in my own bubble, the most beautiful feminine facial features, and graceful sensual movement, and just every woman or aspiring woman aspires to be, that’s what I’m given, that’s what I’m seeing and if it wasn’t for seeing that I would have ended me life a long time ago on this journey, the brutal beautiful truth is that you gotta go through hell to get to heaven, for the sake of what I’m saying now, I’ve seen the most grotesque creatures I could ever possibly imagine, and take all the monsters ever made in art and film and multiply that by a hundred, and you maybe will get close to how freakish and grotesque and disturbing and mortifying, miracle you’re not catatonic seeing this, the antidote to that hideousness, that makes it tolerable, to look at it as you’re pulling it out, the unpleasantness of removing a tape-worm, the unpleasantness of disinfecting that wound with that pus in it, and all of that, I know there are places in the world where there are blood parasite or urinary tract parasites, pulling a barbed fish parasite out of your urethra, that should feel pretty hideous and I bet that what I see in these ceremonies induces a similar level of mortification, disgust that you would have if you had to do that, while I’ve had to endure that hideousness, if you ever see the electron microscope of blood parasites, imagine if they were just, if you were in a realm where you were shrunken down to be in a massively dense cluster of all kinds of different blood parasites the ones with the circular mouths, and the ravor sharp thorny looking teeth, and weird suckers and pincers, the most alien, bizarre, monstrous, aquatic looking, arthropod looking blood parasites, imagine you were shrunken down a million times and being eaten alive but what, in scale wise becomes these giant giant monsters, then that’s what it feels like and looks like in there, I’m afraid to teach anyone to do what I have done because I fear that they would ever come back from that state of visual disturbance to where they wouldn’t just immediately slit there own wrists and literally rip there own eyes out,not knowing that they can’t reach far enough in to pull their pineal gland out, are you gonna crack open your head and pull your fuckin 3rd eye out and stomp on it, that’s what you’re gonna wanna do if you fuckin see the shit I’ve seen, omg, its nothing the shamans of the amazon don’t see every fucking day, it’s business as usual to have to confront these grotesque forms of life, if you know that you are bigger than them and you step back and you go no I’m not the shrunken millionth of a size me inside of of their world, their inside of my world and I can step up to them like standing up to a bully and I can exorcism them and I can purge them with the medicine, of course you have icaros in south America , and you have mantras in India, how to have syncretic shamanism, sacred sexuality and healing work, lets bring the best of the cultures and not be left with the patriarchal douche-baggery of suppressing the feminine
seeking the path of the goddess here we are, here I am
I get to see the antidote to that hideousness which is the extreme beauty
what makes it all worth it is the sweet beautiful blessed honor of beholding and being imbued with and making love with and being possessed by and suited up by, I have been suited up by the most loving most beautiful, most exquisitely constructed bioarchitecture deity, I don’t know maybe you gotta be the kind of person that things ants and bees are cute
this is the way to look at it, if you’ve ever thought of how in cartoons they’ve made ants and bees look pretty and feminine, and then sexualize that and m ake it into a super hot, goth, metal, sort of like, matrixy club, goth industrial club, shining latex, everything we think about the dark erotic, she is the dark erotic cartoon bee spider, just a cuteness and sexiness and a otherworldliness and an alienness, how many sexy beautiful loving aliens have we seen in sci fi, someone tell me, some show me some, I’m sure they’re in different comics and things, some of the arists they’re doing it, they’re bringing it, astral ecology with Tom Denney, his artwork is the cover of my book, you only have to wait until my book is released to see what I’m talking about, the beautiful feminine alien insectoid goddess who will turn you on, turn you inside out, but but you right back together, surgically restore the soul parts, tuck your chakras back in to your astral body, kiss you goodnight, tuck you in, all the works, the motherly maternal aspect, the sexual healing dakini wild, again, I’m saying nothing new, because you go to an orthodox kali puja and they are saying kali we love you you are the mother, you are the lover you are the friend, and not at all invoking, you hear the word mofo all the time in this culture, all over the world, I don’t know what’s going on there, this is not a Fredian Oedeple kink or neurosis, this is very different and it’s it’s own thing, I kind of went through my messiah complex already, at first I wanted everybody to fuckin know this, because it defeats the tyranny of all patriarchal world religions, more powerful more profound, more radical, more anarchistic, more revolutionary than any prophet, any christ, any saint, in buddha, any yogi,none of them delivery this unless they’re deep into the worship of kali or the tantric goddesses, of which kali is often considered to be the mother matriarchy, the queen bee of the many goddesses of the tantric pantheon, which is influenced with the vedic pantheon but has interplay ultimately with the village goddesses
the beauty is out there, the truth is out there, the beauty is in her, the truth is in there, you’ll see her the way I see her in Tom Denney’s book and on the cover of my book and I didn’t commission him to do that, he did that because he is tuned in as an artist, the way Terence Mckenna describes it to be an artist who sees the future, who can tap into the astral plane, or have the astral plane tap into them, wish me luck
pray for my protection, I’ll be doing my best to sheriff the perimeter of our reality and clean up the infection sites and to fortify the souls of the next generation and to really hospice the souls of this generation, where I am feeding and nourishing many goddesses and keeping myself as humble as possible with as small as a physical footprint of property ownership as possible, with as few possession as possible, and if surrender my money and wealth as it comes through as I have been doing to my beloved priestesses and trust that as long as they hold the sword above my hands and my head and they chose not to let the sword fall on to my arms and onto my neck than I will be continuing to do my work in a good way, and they will be the beneficiaries, they will be my sexecutioners if the time comes, each with their sharpened swords, ready to take a whack, so be it
In this episode I’m sharing the 2019 Xbiz Show Consent Round Table session where I respectfully introduced a question for the panel on the ethics of consent for psychedelic shamanic pornography. Not knowing how I’d be received it took a bit of bravery to speak up but I was met with gracious insight and advisement from industry veterans. They were on point with their concerns and dissuasive remarks, all of which I take to heart and value like gold. I feel that whether you’re a sex work, porn performer or producer, or so called “civilian” with no involvement in the sex industry, this panel is very enlightening, and I thank them all very much for briefly holding space for my niche question.
In this episode I’m joined again by Dr. Yalila Espinoza for an exploration of her medicine journeys into the heart of the cryptocurrency and blockchain movement.
I first hired Yalila to advise on an experimental healing ceremony design back in 2013 after discovering her great works online. Now over 5 years later, we’ve remained colleagues and friends in the shamanic space, and have done two previous podcast episodes, it turns out we’ve also been deeply immersed in crypto-psychedelia.
It was an exquisite gift to be able to have her on the show this time to talk about this aspect of our life journeys that we hadn’t yet connected on, and see the many emergent properties of mutual understanding and shared analysis.
She’s been doing some amazing work to bring sacred wisdom teachings, ceremony, ritual, and other shamanic modalities into the the heart and soul of the crypto movement. Knowing she has stepped up in this way feels like a new multi-dimensional super heroine has arisen to build bridges from the amazon jungle to silicon valley, wall street, and beyond.
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With this unique moment of cultural evolution, Espinoza finds herself at the center of an ecosystem where powerful business and technology influencers are asking for healing and wholeness. While working in hospitals within a medical model and then conducting her PhD research on wellness and healing, she noticed the gap in the delivery of health services and the chasm between her own esoteric spiritual offerings and the specific needs of thought leaders. Espinoza found that her clients, while pioneering new businesses and technologies tended to suffer from burnout, depression, and disease. She realized transforming the human and machine networks of the world, like the Internet, must begin with physical, emotional, and mental transformation of the self. So in 2017, Espinoza founded InnerNet, an integrated wellness advisory offering online programs, one-on-one coaching, and retreats designed to optimize leaders’ potential to realize their missions with creativity, clarity, and compassion.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 192 I am being blessed today with Doctor you Lila Espinoza founder of internet and a wellness consultant and she’s been on the show a couple of times before please go to my website and look up you’ll be the Espinoza you will find some very deep it’s a very deep Rabbit Hole added to the things we’ve gotten into in the past with Shamanism and healing work and now we’re going to be talking about healing and Shamanism through technology and through blockchain and all really new and exciting developments that to have have cut the world taking the World by storm and we are Kindred Spirits in our approach to I would say the the promise of of a decentralized more mycelial type of networking architecture for governance and for autonomy in for communities in in having that deep lens of shamanic practitioner work and in Journey work we can I would say really resonating really commiserate on the need for a a bottom-up approach to solving the world’s problems in in and starting with the financial problems in the capital distribution problems startup funding problem venture capital for women Founders for people who are doing philanthropic work there’s a huge need for this and also there’s a lot of people who are outspoken psychedelic Warriors within the crypto space I know that the anarchapulco conference has a a sort of there their opportunities for for for ceremonial work that that I’ve heard about and there’s also a crypt of psychedelic conference that’s happened at least once already if I don’t know if it will win next one is being planned but I had to have some some conversations with folks around that already so I’m looking forward to catching up with you you Lila and please tell us all about what you been up to and I love to just hear that they love story of you you’re you’re recording of the blockchain tech I love hearing about how people you know get seduced and then become Believers yes thank you so much for having me and saw the listeners I look forward to connecting and whatever way is in the cosmic alignment so it’s interesting because I’ve reflected in the past week about my journey with in Shamanism psychedelics and now technology because I’m giving a talk actually later today in San Francisco and I I looked at how you know focusing on the Life Energy centers of our body and how I started off an academic world in the medical model working in hospitals really focused on health and wellness and what does that mean for humans in in this part of our Evolution and became dissatisfied and then went into you could say that the third Energy Center of power and when it is Shamanism and in terms of you know how energy is used in in healing and really the base of a believe in Shamanism is around at the power to tap into these energies to know them to work with them and be in service to our community and so the power of the light in the dark and shamans choosing which way they want to search time is it really the the key difference so I went into a long journey in Shamanism personally 3 Anjali and going down into the previant jungle and having my first three months at Journey with Ayahuasca and tobacco and it’ll in isolation very intense journey and that really well 13 years ago was the start of my connection with technology and Consciousness I realize that now reflecting back because in that dream journey and isolation I came out of that we call them deetta’s I called him so much Journeys and out of that three months you know one might expect you and I are I love myself and I found God or if you know found my purpose in life what I asked that came out of that Journey with was the importance of finding a way to bridge traditional Shamanism with contemporary technology and that for me to be in the world and actually thrive in the simplest way what I needed was my iPhone in one hand and my pipe into back one another and with those two technologies I would be able to to learn how to reconnect with the soul of technology so so then I didn’t think much of it at the time but really then it led me to the second Energy Center and all-around sexuality and sensuality I did my PhD research on that and when it’s my own Journey around that piece of of my healing that needed to happen and then was serving as a counselor and a Healer around sexuality and psychedelics which maybe cuz I was speaking at Horizons in New York on the on my research study and that’s what I met in 2013 the sum of the blockchain folks and one of them in particular who is hosting me we became good friends and he led me into the folks who actually work Hill from the co-founders of aetherium in the start-up projects that were happening in your cat at that time is pretty early 2013-2014 and I can’t I didn’t think much of think much of the technology I just didn’t have that background so I couldn’t understand it but was fascinating is through my serving in an offering psychedelic Journeys Inn in South America to these folks in the blockchain world I was actually able to see how the mechanism of this technology in ceremony so my first taste of it was actually seen it you know hallucinating or altered state and seeing the connection somehow the minds of these blockchain folks are so strong I think it generally in the tech world that it was such a was so invigorating and an exciting because that I could actually asked him to show me you know quantum physics and mathematical equation I could see it and so then okay that I went to you no more of the written information and actually learning about the code and and seeing how and if practical way they would this information was being ground within the blockchain technology and then all the incredible positives that came out of this technology could be the foundation of a whole new like paradigm shift in the way that values is exchanged so that was really exciting to me and you know this this took me a good for years to learn I’m a slow learner and one way but I also like to learn deeply so I was learning it experientially and then your written material talking to a lot of the blockchain founders of Neo various companies and then he knows Tina and action and actually you know getting some of these apps and in learning me know what they can actually do and going to a lot of conferences watching Converses and and that just got really caught up in just the excitement you know this is a space that is just draws a lot of innovative minded future thinkers and innovators and you know just a sense of camaraderie and supporting each other and I couldn’t believe how welcomed I was as coming from academics in healing they they respected me and I respected them and I was able to learn how to you no make that bridge from my world to their worlds and really getting excited about the exchange of our information and so I just was seduced by I not only they technology but the people that were drawn to it and the dedication to changing our our economic Paradigm & in the way that we set up all kinds of you know housing and you know land and food and it is just so incredible so you know here we are 5 years later and I’m still right in the mix of it and you’re really excited now about virtual reality and Ai and how that can be bridged into the ceremonial space that’s that’s my journey so far in NFL well that was so amazing and I just was having chills and I could just cinematically follow along and when you got to the point of when you said you were able to see how the technology Works in ceremony that was so deeply moving and so beautiful because it’s such a multi-dimensional phenomenon and if in it’s so multi-layered into to appreciate I think I I made this comment to a friend is all it was a very very high level developer in his face and he and I I just made a joke in a recent podcast with him I said the Bitcoin makes Bitcoin makes crop circles looks like look like a play school set you know in terms of the degree of multidimensionality that goes into it and it is it is such a I mean and Andreas Antonopoulos recently and in one of his podcast video presentations and interviews he he said that when he read the Bitcoin first year of the Bitcoin white paper but then when you actually read the code it was for him basically like a symphony and he was brought to tears when he could understand the genius of it and it’s so apt for a for psychedelic journey to be able to ask for this for this field of of wisdom and information and Math and Science and Technology and code for it to just presented itself and dance in your mind for you in that place of ceremony where anything’s possible anything can be visualized and so I just think that is so beautiful on the inside knowing that you also this is really mind-blowing for me to knowing that you have this I wasn’t aware so much so basically we had already been talking and both of us had had this sort of like part of our subconscious basically beginning to be initiated into the space but we weren’t really because it wasn’t of our direct backgrounds it wasn’t an instant sort of I guess it didn’t click instantly for me I was explain how work and I thought it was cool and I was like yeah that’s internet money for anarchists that’s awesome you know but I wasn’t an investor I wasn’t a coder and it took a while once I went through you know the second Energy Center sexuality and and it was beat the psychedelics it actually showed me the importance of myself dropping my energy down into the first root Center where you no money safety you know security that whole place at a lot of healers you know maybe feel uncomfortable in or don’t have the opportunity to be in that often that I was able to really staying in this Center and part of it was that I was getting paid in crypto you know years ago from some of my clients who are you know the pioneers and in blockchain and I didn’t understand what that meant at the time I was like okay I guess they’re very kind and helping me open up my first Bitcoin wallet etcetera and I didn’t even understand it at the time and effort to understand it because you know what that meant for me and how to do the exchanges and things like that so I started off and makes it more The Surreal level of the fit if you say mathematics and physics and seeing how matters to me is a version of God of that Godlike energy and seeing how it comes down into the code it is beautiful really need and you see it yeah I totally agree and you know that I don’t know if you how big of a Terrence McKenna fan you are thinking of becoming more of a Dennis McKenna fan over the years but something that I loved about so endearing to me about about a lot of his talks was when he talked about the feminine Spirit of internet technology and how excited he was that we would be able to eventually use things like VR to give people immersive training or sort of it be able to create a visual language like the Ayahuasca experience where we could start to really understand each other better through through a universal language that is symbolic but also based on objects and colors in math and it to me this is such a fulfillment of that feminine Force coming through a lot of people who are you know he would always say that you go to a Silicon Valley startup office and it’s all these microdosing you know acid heads with hair down to their ass and I’d like to hear I know there was a time when you were when you were when you were starting to talk about Silicon Valley and bringing the medicine the same to you go and bring the medicine to those who are really reshaping reality from that level of of power of Technology do you want to just talk more about maybe without disclosing anything confidential of course just some of the some of the before and afters you’ve had the makeovers that you’ve had with some of the tech Geeks and how they’ve how they’ve been able to be massaged by that the medicine Spirits have become to Adorn one of them did gently say to me if they feel it’s not a lie to myself that is that a techie kid learning to love that part in myself and and and also honoring that you know every person is different in their enemies that divers field and that there are some common patterns that I have seen and the fact that I was given the directions psychedelics to serve a particular Community around the you know very influential and Powerful leaders in the text field that I’ve been able to track and and see how they actually lead differently in and really the the number one thing is the realization that the transformation is starts with the inner transformational journey and so even having the giving themselves that time you know few days it’s you sink into a different space in their mind right so it’s not like I have a container and say okay everyone thinking about your project Source. You know you know this go back to your family history and I want you to cry or something not at all what I was seeing is that the synthesis the stamina in the dedication in the Brilliance of these of these folks and that it really good-hearted people and that they were passionate about what they were doing and giving their mind that’s almost like the ceremonial space giving their mind a space to allow other information that may not be in their Consciousness you know at the time she come through and that’s where you hear about folks you know even the microdosing folks if they go to Peru and sit with Anna Ayahuasca Circle and I you know ask a question of it a problem that they’ve had you know mathematical equation or some something on their project they can’t quite figure out and that giving up space to have the different kind of intelligence guide them in in discovering a piece of the puzzle and so I find that you know when in general folks being very compassionate and curious and how these intelligence come together the other thing is in terms of their leadership is that once they are hard intelligence because that’s really a lot of the psychedelics the sacred psychedelics are helping us to tap into that heart energy into once they are in love energy seeing that the influence that makes and how they engage with their team member so you know more of a knowledgement that is it you know they’re all together in this project and higher level and it really honoring people for where they’re at in the heart of leadership is is learning how to inspire people to grow within the company within their teams within the project until having more patients and you know seeing the bigger picture so it’s not all about profit and yes of course I’m surprised and seeing that if if there’s a dedication to the why of their company and of the people that are there then that why and the purpose of the collective purpose actually creating more success and inflow with within the within the company so that’s one pattern also that I’ve seen Etsy the other that the third one is is around these texts Psychonauts of the learning how to bridge technology and spirituality which is always been one of my big passions and I didn’t really know how it so they’ve taught me a lot and in how this connection can unveil itself and in many ways and then coming from their religious background or spiritual background and then how they think of of math and in quantum physics in relation to a fascist like it blows my mind you know when they’re talking to me about this cell this Ray this field of the interplay between the Divine and the and form and structure and yeah I didn’t mean to cut you out there to say I wanted to make that mention so please continue the inner transformation and their their passion and purpose and then the second with the love more love and compassion for all the teams and and then that the more philosophical connection here that those those really stand out for me folks that were with me five years ago are still with me so I actually am able to track you know connect with the Divine or connect with the love Center I mean it cuz it’s not that simple everyone is sort of you’re learning a different piece and and so really what I love to do is trade space that people can share these pieces with each other and in how that actually informs that transition for their next step you know when whatever fits a personal life or professional life but it is still fascinating to me and I’m so very you know intimately woven in with with the baseballs beautiful well knowing now even more haven’t you said all of this which is so beautiful and invigorating and exciting and I just I’m so I’m so glad we’re just In This Moment having this conversation because it has been I feel like I’m it’s been extremely painful and in in triggering for me to to look at the shadow of what’s happening in this in this space which is you know I’m going to ask you to bear with me for a minute while I kind of organize my thoughts on how to how to bring this Dimension to the conversation in a in a good way I’m going to Omit using that the names of any individuals that I will not going to call anybody out or or put any putting it in the spotlight to anyone but but it’s it’s what would what I can see if we step back from from a more shamanic perspective is that there is a in absolute crisis of hyper toxic masculine Behavior that’s creating these extremely almost mythical an archetypal Wars of the Gods and end DIYs always think it’s a play on words to think about how Davis and Davies in in the in and they can talk about the devil’s right so there is it’s almost like The Vedic battles in the sky to me these genius mathematicians cryptographers programmers and them their armies of now the Speculator there’s all these high frequency trading robot armies that are trolling the warring factions and so it’s kind of like if you were to open The Vedas and you see them describing these battles of cities in Disguise and all of his alien foreign hyper advanced technology and the sort of drama playing out and the people on Earth are watching this drama and just trying to trying to create some record of it and most of it is just completely unintelligible to them cuz it’s so far out and so Advanced and almost seems like there’s just this war of the AstroWorld coming down and and duking it right above Earth dropping debris from that that Astro Battlefield and things just like falling on people’s heads and then people just scratching their heads trying to make sense of it so you have the bestest what’s coming to my mind when I think about these these programmers and their projects and their their Venture funding and all of these different puppeteers of technology in this battle between open source and closed source and regulated and unregulated in public and private blockchain Jaden and if it would it would it all is sort of sort of this rhyme of history is just these patriarchal warlord and we would calm just really do she really kind of integrated uninvolved masculine guys who are who are gorgeous and I’m just they’re just getting more and more narcissistic and sociopathic and they’re tweeting and and the technology of social media creates this really kind of Twisted Echo chamber and when I when I bring this up sometimes people will say of you know you’re trying to use psychedelics in ceremony and Shamanism as a Panacea and you know it’s not a magic pill and you know but I just keep saying like I think I need to hear these men do that family work and be brought into a ceremony where do certainly the ones that are that are just creating like threatening to just nuclear meltdown of all the cryptos in the opposing camps and just using their stashes of Mega you know stashes of of Bitcoin to flood the market and to manipulate as tactical that what they call the hash worse but that just happened in probably the hash words just knocked bitcoin price and 1/2 they’re just waving around these lightsabers and in in digging into the charts and and I one waiting for the sort of like trumpeting angels to come in and bring in the Davies you know the akalis in a Durga is going to come in and start grabbing these These are is Zeno by the by the Scruff of their neck and in and actually intervene so I’m wondering I know that’s a lot but anybody who is his familiar with yoga Tantra me all the scriptures that the talk about these epic battles or even from the Western perspective that the mythical Gods fighting you know this is not new and what seems to be the promise of the Shakti movement of Tantra and the Psychedelic feminist movements coming out of their group that you’re involved with there’s got to be some maternal wisdom brought to these boys and their toys you know so that she take it from there I totally resonate with this the Epic War analogy because it is real is that I’ve been to blockchain conferences and meetups in cities all over the states and and you’re up and and what really carries me through and I feel so fortunate somehow I have this eternal optimism and I certainly see the shadow I see the darkness 10 gauge with it and I’m still very optimistic and I think it’s really in my own connection with the sacred psychedelics in that they’re continually I feel like they got my back and they’re continually raising me up and and encouraging me and motivating me a stay steady with in the turmoil and I feel like for a lot of us and probably folks listening that this is part of our role is to learn how and these These are at War like an energy battle that we are centered and we emanate that that love and not always loving everyone per se you know that’s around us and in this these toys with our boys with toys and I do feel I can honestly say neutral when I meet them and I and I just said luck and I just what I’m doing is I’m like an anthropologist and I’m watching am seeing how they’re engaging with the but that the people around them and I start where people are at right so when I’m speaking to some of these folk is not like I think he would be good for you to do family systems work and come to this you know come to Peru like I would never say that I start or people are at I’m like what motivates you right now and you know once the trust his is built by and continually is is building and there’s a softening that happened so you know for me in 5 years in and I I do believe that there is a beautiful sense of respect for each other and trust this building and I’m watching where this energy takes us play so I what I can get really involves is the patience and perseverance and faith and that this is you know way bigger than me I’m being in service and being directed by these other intelligences along with my own you don’t be Discerning and where to actually Channel my energy and then I’m patient and it’s been tough you know I really wanted to get into some of these blockchain meetings and and I have actually is sometimes I’m like okay let’s talk about the let’s talk about how you know the technology is actually had of our human consciousness level as well as our laws right so you know how can we catch those pieces up to the level that technology to actually maximize the benefit of it and then you know how can we actually expire is that Founders and CEOs and and developers to to build that projects that are noble that have elevated intentions that that is a sense of good for all I do feel it’s possible yeah I totally agree I Kevin this is the most thrilling and exciting development in my entire life for sure if not in the history of the battle of Good and Evil on Earth that’s I really feel like it and you can see it it brings out the best and can sometimes bring out the worst but but really even those who would be considered more more super villains now in the space the lot of them started out as Jedis training humbly with Yoda it you know so they all have that imprint of that desire to do good eyebrows really very few people who I think are are fundamentally irredeemable I mean I don’t know if I feel better that way about anybody in the darker the shadow is the more potential there is to bring that medicine from those places so I agree with you and then I fly it’s I guess it’s easy for me to say or easier for me to say in some senses because I am a white mostly cis-male and so I don’t experience some of the author of out of the exclusion and in sometimes bigotry but at least at least Prejudice and you know it was through the women in crypto track at the crypto invest Summit in La last year that I discovered things like there’s only four percent of female CEOs in the US at least and then only 2% of venture funding goes to women Founders and that studies have proven that female executives are more profitable so whether you’re a feminist or not you’re leaving money on the table if you’re in any kind of a position of power in the business world in the investment world to not be creating more balance in in that in that space so I guess I’d like to ask psychedelic feminism Financial feminism women in crypto women in blockchain do you find yourself a building strong Sisterhood networks in circles amidst all of the other boys with toys as he said to align myself with very brilliant women in the field and be there and so we’re learning with each other and what’s just so inspiring is that some of these clients who are in their late 20s early 30s forging ahead and they sell I don’t know how they do it but they just have this determination and and also feminine ways of going through these hurdles in their in their workplace and them in the company’s and let me know some of them Founders and dealing with the hiring of a lot of that males and and and how that that plays out in the power struggles and they just they have such Grace and I just witness them you know managing it all in a way that’s it really inspiring and stay and then when they’re also going through these psychedelic Journeys I see that they just become more and somebody’s determined and focused and incompetent and and you know they’re also patients over time I see them gain their respective of their colleagues and you take a couple years of storming and and then there’s this is kind of settling that happens and so I I am extremely inspired by the women in blockchain in particular and just wants to be in service to them in any way I can so that they can continue to forge ahead also well on that note I would say we should definitely spend the rest of this our here just having you tell us all about more in detail what it is that you provide and what you’re offering and what your projects are now we got I think this was a good sort of philosophical overview and Andre connection for you and me to to get to get caught up in the space but I really would like to hear more and maybe we can also I guess we can go for as long as you are available at today and in this timeframe to talk about your projects and introduce what you’re doing with your hair with your new your new Ventures and and really make this more of a of a promotional pitch for the remainder promotional pitch for me that’s it really exciting right now is I would love to connect with folks who are working in the VR AI space and are interested in psychedelics not only interested but wanting to create platforms where people can engage in these different fields at virtually and so I know it’s happening I am in San Francisco right now I’m going to meet some some folks in the field tonight and for anyone who’s listening that I would just appreciate a shout out and I’m please connect with me that info info a 10.1 i n n e r o n e because I I really interested in collaborating I would love to work on a team whether it’s already clean a project that’s happening right now or someone wants start one I just have so many ideas about how this could coming to that material in the world and I know a lot of folks in the you know blockchain developers as well as healing practitioners and really wanting to be a bridge between these worlds in and connect folks who can contribute to a project like this so that’s my first pitch in terms of concrete offerings right now I think my two favorite people in the world now that had I met through the blockchain space are this Penelope and America they are the Cyber code Twins and their East LA born and raised Latina women in Tech who have taken the World by storm they’ve got TED Talks they have been winning hackathons and they have I think one of the things they developed together with second virtual reality drug and alcohol rehabilitation immersive experience for people who can’t afford to go to like Celebrity Rehab and that’s one application I don’t know what their personal interest is necessarily in psychedelic Shamanism however they seem to be very open-minded and they are 8 leaving One Like a White House award or something like that they’re just absolutely storming the charts of the women in crypto and I’ll send you a link to one of their TED talks but yeah I know that there it would probably be really good allies in that and not space I just wanted to mention them and then yeah go on please continue practical way the internet is offering three different project and the 1st is out there called dinner one Retreats and so these are live 225 day Retreats held in beautiful places for folks to get back to their vital bodies and be rejuvenated by nature to these are wellness retreats and you know cluding Mayo massage and Sound by sand yoga and meditation life coaching and team-building exercises and then some of the in South America do include Ayahuasca and someone Mexico include psilocybin so those are those Retreats and then there is an online program it’s called zero to one building blocks to Wellness and it is I was here I consider it more of like a integration platform for people so that they can continue harvesting the the fruit of what comes out of these lab Retreats or vice a versa can be a good preparation for Allegra tree and it’s focusing on daily Wellness practices and it’s interesting after how many years in the Psychedelic world I’ve actually gone back to the basics and I feel that you know it’s wonderful to be in a journey and see all kinds of amazing things and we still are in bodies in this lifetime in this earth and that I’m going back to you what we are drinking and eating our sleeping near so many books speakers that focus on this and a night it’s because it’s so essential it’s in so really the program going back to the basics and I just reminding us to be but I guess being mindful of our daily practices so that’s the 0 to 1 and then there’s another piece that is it’s actually new and it’s it’s pretty exciting I’m working with a group in Europe and it’s called Legacy Ventures and we’re going to be offering Retreats that actually is facilitated by many different facilitators and shamans from around the world and and so I’m just one of them one of many and offering Retreats on the difference element so have a 1 focus on fire and having fire ritual what does that mean in our lives and in her a lot of these folks are in our Business Leaders CEOs and and then another Retreat focus on the water and the Earth in the air and then that sacred Center so that’s just starting this year and it’s it’s really exciting for me to be cooperative with other leaders and also I just opening up to the European folk sand and feeling so what is that like and what are they wanting these days and then see the parallels in the differences between the United States and Canada and Mexico so that. In a nutshell is what I’m up to you for this year that is so amazing what we do a push-up real needs everything you’re doing now more than ever and I’m just so thrilled I feel like I’m reading a comic book or something in your just the new Marvel comic book superhero in this of swords and in just adding these new new levels of armor and magic and Empower I can just see I see the the sort of thing I get a better sense of the multi-dimensional warrior Goddess that you have just become an indigenous is so exciting to me to tell me more folks who I don’t have to run into a brick wall trying to explain the the seriousness the timeliness the importance the relevance the you know it’s really really demoralizing and sometimes heartbreaking for me when I get stonewalled it’s not about it’s not about losing out on the opportunity 4000 X Games it’s about losing out on the under this will be some I see it is one of the most rare opportunities in the history of political discourse certainly political economic discourse where the radical libertarian and some people would like to use the word left anymore but definitely from the the libertarian to the anarchist perspective this is one of the first time ever that anything from these camps actually became not just mainstream but was so Superior that it was subversive as a side effect of its superiority to the to the to the disorder let me know Malcolm and Malcolm X I believe said something like if you want it over to the system you have to create a better one system but make the old system obsolete is really what it comes down to so I love it when people talk about the Legacy banking system and the Legacy voting system and it’s like we’re already in this Ann turkel crypto Anarchist future where people from Wall Street are defecting enjoying the Occupy Wall Street movement and bringing their bags of capital with them and you know I love people like I will say the name of Joe Lubin I think he is one of my most beloved and endear real shining examples of coming from a feminine place of problem solving and team building in and you see how his Vibe is really impenetrable to all of the pickings and and browbeating is of the progressive alt masc so cheers to him and into the others and Andria’s and other people who keep out of the drama so yeah before I go too far off into the weeds I want to thank you so much again in to see if you would like to share your your website links and maybe if you would if you have time to just give us a bit of a closing meditation that that brings us all together those who were cryptophobia can those who are crypto douchiest and everything in between let’s let’s all make space for each other around this fire. One i n n e r o n e and email is info at in and either myself or my members will respond as soon as we can definitely look forward to connecting with some of you listening now I know that there’s Brilliance all around us and it’s a matter of coming together and matching are our gifts together okay so in terms of thinking of our energies I invite everyone to receive a deep breath then I’ll land here together and reflecting on all this information that has been shared and inviting you to feel in your body where does this information land for you how are you feeling is there an a butterfly’s is your mind buzzing butterflies in the belly butterflies in the heart what’s with activated for you and breathing in is energy and I asked if you’re willing to commit 21 action step spell connecting with you know how you’re feeling right now are you feeling at your best at your most joyful place in this moment in this conversation and then are you committed to an action step that will actually Manifest this feeling and you are unique Vision in the world is taking a minute be very simple drinking more water and it could be very big like asking the sacred psychedelic that you next connect with is it for you anything in between what’s one action step you’re willing to commit to you within the next seven days that will feed nurture your essential contribution in this world then yourself and externally with in the world mache beautiful Williston I just want to say Dad don’t be a stranger please please keep me posted and in the anything that’s coming up any new developments that you want to share even if it’s just a little Clipper Sound by three segments you always feel always free to a to send me anything or to Anna to take to come back on the show I think you were definitely in good company with the other folks who have to drive me on this journey if I explain this material and yeah it’s it’s it’s a real joy to to have met and you know I’m just thinking back into the feeling back into the origin story of how you and I connected in the place that I was in in the what would I resonated with you and the sort of healing journey in the wounded healer journey and now and it’s like look at us now you know we have survived and we’re driving and that’s great so I acted with and also the listeners and one thing anyone who’s still listening if you’ve made it this far. I guess you were the ones that were meant to share this because I forgot to say that one of the newer Evolutions in terms of offerings for those that are in sit-in microdosing sacred psychedelics or plants and trees in your backyard and I also please reach out to me because there is a a new wave of a Soma Journey ask I’m going to be available for folks in Indy pinning into the microdosing practice that’s become so popular these days so that’s awesome alright well you’ll either thank you so much again this is a beautiful experience as usual and I look forward to the next time and you have a wonderful talk tonight and wonderful rest of your weekend and we’ll be in touch, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological and play single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or emo band at contrabands. 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In this episode I’m joined again by one of my most respected psychedelic shamanic heroines, Shonagh Home. She provides updates on her personal and professional journeys since we last talked, we learn about her deep and rich adventurous in modern mushroom priestesshood.
We explore her offering of a Vision Mushroom Practicum audio course and it’s implications for the future of magic mushroom research, clinical healing practices, solo and group rituals/ceremonies, and much more.
We also begin to explore a subject that our next podcast will go into more extensively, which is holistic approaches to healing with foods and dietary paradigm shifts towards more ancient wisdom traditions.
Please visit her website at: https://www.shonaghhome.com
Shonagh Home is a shamanic therapist, teacher, writer and poet. Her specialized private sessions and retreats are probing and revelatory, assisting clients to break chronic, self-defeating patterns, and move into empowered personal sovereignty. Shonagh is an international public speaker on the subject of visionary shamanic-spirit medicine, a voice for stewardship of the honeybees, and a teacher on the subject of Traditional Foods. She is author of the books, ‘Ix Chel Wisdom: 7 Teachings from the Mayan Sacred Feminine,’ ‘Love and Spirit Medicine,’ ‘Poetic Whispers from the Green Realms,’ and ‘Honeybee Wisdom: A Modern Melissa Speaks.’
In this episode I share a piece I wrote that serves as a sort of guerrilla psychedelic research white paper. It is the most direct and concise articulation of my thesis:
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In this episode I’m joined by Shonagh Home, a high priestess of the sacred mushroom to whom I deeply bow! We have been allies for several years now and this is her second appearance on the show. We discuss cultural transformation, ecology, activism and more from a radical psychedelic shamanic perspective.
She blesses us with two powerful poems, and countless gems of insight with which to break spells, get well and get free!
Shonagh Home is a shamanic therapist, teacher, writer and poet. Her specialized private sessions and retreats are probing and revelatory, assisting clients to break chronic, self-defeating patterns, and move into empowered personal sovereignty. Shonagh is an international public speaker on the subject of visionary shamanic-spirit medicine, a voice for stewardship of the honeybees, and a teacher on the subject of Traditional Foods. She is author of the books, ‘Ix Chel Wisdom: 7 Teachings from the Mayan Sacred Feminine,’ ‘Love and Spirit Medicine,’ ‘Poetic Whispers from the Green Realms,’ and ‘Honeybee Wisdom: A Modern Melissa Speaks.’
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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 96 it’s a distinguished honor I have here to be on Skype with Shana home who is one of the top mushroom priestesses is it living on Earth today and it’s been a serious hero enough mine and I deeply bow down to her we’ve been sort of parallel Journeys over the years and we did an interview discussion a few couple years back called shamanic Revolution we talked about her background so you can you can refer to that episode to get caught up on more of her life story and accomplishments M but we’re now just going to kind of roll into updates from what she’s been doing and in her you know sort of college in alchemical cauldron of spiritual intellectual development really sophisticated critique and understanding of what we’re up against and what some skills and tools some tactics we can use on the front lines of the shamanic Revolution to heal and liberate and Empower ourselves in each other and now more than ever I think our medicine is being sought out in your medicine for sure is of the highest quality so if you want to just say a few words what you been up to since we last talked and then I’m sure we’ll have lots of Defense at 2 to about what’s happening show but thank goodness I will say that I put a new book out recently called poetic Whispers from the green realm and I will definitely read some of that poetry and so there’s two chapters I wrote for that book and then there’s 50 some odd poems and so I will say that I never wrote poetry before I start working with the mushroom and I never didn’t and so a couple years after I start working with the mushroom and I think we’re now going on 5 years here poetry started coming to me and so when I started doing a little research you know to write the chapters for this book I discovered that the original poets were the shamans and that poetry NC igenex substances were directly connected to Poetic inspiration and so you know we have the editors of the Norse Traditions is lengthy poetic Mythic story and in there they speak of the Mead which is honey wine which was spiked it would be spiked with medicinal herbs that would be spiked with inebriating herbs and so it was it was said that whoever drinks from which becomes a poet or a scholar and then we have Soma art of India and that was also associated with poetic inspiration and then we have the Oracles of Delphi and DeDona and the delphic Oracle as they would whether they were breathing in the esalen gases that took them into hydrant States or they were actually drinking psychoactive Bundchen’s they would prophesy and poetic hexameter and so it is it’s a kind of meter you know like poetry is is metered know they’ll be no 3 4 lines you know and then there’s stanzas and what not and I mean it can be very intricate in intricate and how the poem is this is created and so you know some of the greatest poets where the The Bard’s from from my people that the Celts and those people studied for 15 years and nothing was written down and and then they were given the title Olam and and so these these folks were they had to memorize something like 20,000 different you know poems and and and and myths and stories and and what not and so an interesting ly something that the that I read in my research that The Bard’s would do is they would go into a very dark kind of Tavern Thai place and and then spend time there until they received poetic inspiration now that’s interesting because there is a practice that you can do to turn on the pie Neil to to turn on your own energy Mt where you stay in Pitch Darkness or you know. Of time whatever it is a few weeks if you let you know what your month or whatever it is and that will you know turn on your your DMT and so anyway I just thought it was very interesting but there is a quote goodbye Barbara tadlock PhD she wrote a book that I highly recommend called the woman in the Shaman’s body and she wrote that quote shamans are Sears oracles and Poets and their artistic language creates a healing path for their patients and and I love I love that cuz I really I realized I live in the spirit of that you know I can I have the ability to communicate I have the ability to write and now it’s results of my work with the mushroom I have the ability to essentially Channel this gorgeous poetry and end so you have come into connection I speak very candidly about this with these Spirit intelligences through my work with seat mushroom and and you know that was you know long known to shamanic people be there earlier paean people or you know the Maya were in Africa where you know you connect with no the plant teacher and or Atwell a tutelary spirit a spirit that will and intelligence that will teach you and and which comes which came first I like to ask the mushroom for the shaman right so Apprentice myself to the mushroom in those beings have been teaching me and so so yes so this just beautiful poetry has been coming force and I’m so now when I work with the mushroom I will you know just have a digital recorder with me and I speak the way I’m speaking you now but it’s totally poetry it’s the beings speaking through and everything Rhymes and it just flows and so a mutual friend of ours came to work with me something that I’m also doing now as I am doing one-on-one Retreats and it’s for 4 days and that person comes and stays in my arm and I feed them and I teach them and we go very very very deep and you know ceremony in the whole deal it sits and it is highly transformative and so this person you and I know came in August and that happened to be over the August full moon and so you know there was one night where ceremony occurred and she was good to go and for the next 2 hours I just whispered into my recorder and and it was the the elves speaking through me and so I I’m starting to speak more candidly about this because really what I see that I am is a fairy Shaman and now I am not talking about Tinkerbell and I am and I’m not talking about the Victorian gossamer Wings little you know sexy Pixies no no no no no no no no the FAE were long known to the Irish and the Scottish people and also you know the Scandinavians and and you know there are tribes in Africa who speak of nature spirits who are are very similar in resemblance to these what they are is there ancient nature intelligences and it’s the thought they were ancestral or that our ancestors you know went to the fairy Realms when they passed and in Ireland they are known as the tuatha de danaan and it’s Friday Donna and was a race of Godlike beings they were very very high magicians and they lived in Ireland for a time until the sons of Mill showed up and there was a battle and and a two-headed on and lost that battle and so they retreated below into the Mounds and and into they were in a living beneath the Earth but there was you know you could communicate with them and so so yeah so I was deeply in connection with these beings as I have been on the on the mushroom in any case then in September I went to Scotland and it was a pilgrimage for me and I save my shackles and went out there and I went to the outer Hebrides Scotland and spent time and ancient stone circles and there with no mushroom and believe I actually had the mushroom but I wasn’t able to use it when I was there I was able to procure it there but I wasn’t able to use it and I thought this is very interesting cuz I knew this was heart of a Acela learning I was receiving that deer you know you don’t have to have it you know you’ve been turned on you know cuz it does change you forever and so and they said the gates you will stand before will open and so I would stand in the circle tonight I just I take my digital recorder with me everywhere cuz I never know when this poetry is going to flow and it just absolutely flowed through me when I was there no mushroom necessary and then when I came home from Scotland I essentially brought what I was told her new mentors home with me and and I was when I would wake up in the morning as I was Awakening they were speaking to me and poetry and so I was bringing my digital recorder to bed with me so that in the morning as the poem came through I could speak it and so I will share because I think this will really speak to you and there is it’s truly beautiful and and I don’t write like this you know but the way they play with words is is quite something and the and the Poetry is deeply encoded and so up I want to read this yeah I think you will you evil quite appreciate this so I called his old Spirits speak and say this is what they said that’s exactly what they fear of that you realize what you’re made of the constructs is a sorcerer spell designed by those who know full well the power of their words of art they can initiate the start of any Trend that they designed to keep the flock they watch in line change will come when mine start opening then the dawn of what you were hoping we’ll and Sue to shift the pace this death march by the human race must be reversed that’s why we’re here deceptions Mists we pledge to clear each of you has been assigned a royal play to realign the threads that we’ve this current hell your actions here will fare quite well to shift the subtle frequencies so more spoke begin to see with inner eye to realize the tricks by those who are disguised as well-known personalities who manipulates the crowd with these lists years is a hologram and we deliver telegram that though the claws have dug in deep and though the masses are asleep eval was made far in the past that it is time we raise our Mast and sail into the stormy sea to raise our great Humanity to Heights once thought and possibly ambitious for such an undertaking yes this has been most painstaking though right now more of you waking this the time we’ve been awaiting see their fear all that surveillance see the One World dark Alliance they are under the impression they’re above divisive action which they spread among the crowd cups divided lost and proud but they cannot control each other they are going to have one mother of a vast Rift all among their Web of Lies that they have strong this tears we’ve been counting on in the meantime spread your song of what can be when hearts are strong and minds are clear to Virgil angst the many who are so confused their precious Souls have being abused and so the magic that you carry isn’t simply airy-fairy this tear has for long been crafted by the lifetimes you’ve and acted now it’s your moment all of you we will give more than a few instructions clever that he’ll use take your folk Beyond this ruse never let your good Hearts waiver in those temples lives the Saviour you awakened ones of light Illuminating this Dark Knight and Gathering wants more to cast a spell you’ve trained for that has vast effects upon this sacred place that’s home to many kinds of race now all the gateways open here’s the moment you’ve been hoping will occur on planet Earth songs were written of this birth that Springs forth from within the mind a realization of the kind that holds the course dramatically when of a sudden people see this thing’s electric think how fast when switch is flipped the light is Cass and everything you didn’t see is now before you quite clearly how many changes coming near Children of the light don’t fear but rather senior gifts with joy and with good wisdom you’ll destroy the spell that captivates the many what you carry Concord anything that they have up their sleeve you simply in your mind conceive of what you were before you came and when you realize you are the same will deers consider that in mind and ancient spell you will unbind the great wand of antiquity is buried where you cannot see where you’ve been taught to look outside and not within where it resides you are ready now to find the Holy Grail within your mind the sacred places you have been hold keys there that remain unseen unless you trained for many lives to cut through Darkness with your knives those sorts of light you hold with Grace look in the mirror at your face look in your eyes that dance there light you a warrior here to fight a battle that is ancient old and now the time stories told when Beauty beings Fair install will once again appear to all and help you dear ones at this time he’d the power of this rhyme for this is just the start of things as people of the fairy rings cast their magic spells around so once more Earthly folk can found a time of peace upon this Earth a time when you are good folk can birth the frequencies of living grace who’s energies will heal this place is so amazing so beautiful I just want to resurrect Jim Hanson to make this into a hole production or has got to be a new wave of children’s books and cartoons and action figures and dolls and roll out I’ve always felt that you were the one to be the wisdom keeper and sort of the the one that those whatever artistic needs that you would like to have a team above the crew built around you to take this type of narration and make it into every form of physical object media format whatever so that it can actually compete and as is memes that mean it’s all it’s all the way in a very detached kind of social scientific way of looking at things I mean whether you know whatever esoteric tradition you followers or not it’s really you want to have wholesome regenerative ecological you know fashion and lifestyle and everything that people just sort of consume I mean it’s just a matter of making a better option available that puts the the less sustainable or desirable options obsolete so I next thing I want to ask you is of the women and the mothers you know who were trying to design a mythology about what’s happening on Earth what do you mean you’re one of them right so I just can only imagine how difficult it would be to be taking responsibility for Parenthood with a shamanic perspective and ecological perspective if you no excetera you know how and how do you how do you translate this into into the kinds of resources and Tool kits that would be needed for new in an entirely new alternative educational system that actually has a I mean like what you could be doing the Waldorf of shamanic K through 12 you know but based on all this stuff I mean I don’t even know you know what’s out there so if that makes any sense as a question you know if this is how do we get the audience to grow for what you’re channeling okay so first of all turn off your TV throw it out I would say be very very careful with media you know there’s so much you know that I know now that I didn’t know when I first had my children right and and it is amazing to think also you know this this how much technology has taken over our lives you know since then and it’s a double-edged sword do you know on one hand you can glean a lot of great information on another thing it’s another and it’s kind of like the wild west cuz there’s a lot of garbage to sort through as well and and it can be very addictive and level up in any case you know I would have done some things very differently you know had I known back then I have two daughters 16 and 19 you know what I know now for so I would not have vaccinated them I know that’s it something if heated debate but I will say that you know he human beings have managed to live on this Earth and pretty harsh conditions you know for a very very very long time and you know with no vaccines and and as someone who knows quite a lot has researched a tremendous amount on on ancestral Foods you know our ancestors were way stronger than we are today we are pretty much a shadow at this point you know of what we used to be you know is physical strength and emotional and mental wherewithal and Clarity and all of that you know so you know the good news is you know we can call that back by embracing Foods we used to eat but you know just good luck trying to find milk if it’s you know illegal in your state blah blah blah but you know so I would not have had my girls vaccinated and I wish I knew about traditional foods you know what I know now back then you know cuz I would have done that differently as well and I would have homeschooled and so I think it is very important to understand you know this is this is about breaking spells and everything that we’ve been told that we’ve been raised under has been you know presented to us and our parents and our grandparents okay by this we’re in a commercial system and and so it controls our education it controls our media you know certain interest within their now there’s the comedian George Carlin does a fantastic feel and this is stand-up comedy and holy shit like this was no joke he’s talking about education and why it will never change and he’s like people you need to understand something right now you know you are owned you are owned and these politicians those are just those are just figureheads put there so that you think you owe me I vote for this guy I have some amount of power here he’s like the real people with the you know the Reigns of Power are hidden they’re not out there they’re not in your gossip magazines and what not and they own everything they own the land you live on that you know they they put together the institutions and this and this and this and and so it’s a very important to to really start to take a wide view and start to see this the system for what it is and and start to say okay you know what I am no longer going to you don’t give Credence to you know what the FDA says or the CDC or you know what whatever and it doesn’t matter who becomes president you know all these people crying cuz Hillary didn’t win she’s a disgusting Pig so and so’s Trump okay look essentially the Clinton crime family didn’t win the Trump crime family won this is a criminal Syndicate and also divide and conquer goes back to Rome and Beyond look how polarized we are ban look how polarized we are oh my God and God forbid oh my God anyone say oh yeah you know I actually do like you know that one thing Trump is doing all my God people will jump all over that person right and I just been sitting back looking watching back and forth back and forth going people this is the oldest trick so they keep the silly mughals fighting among themselves whether it’s pro-choice or pro-life or republican Democrat liberal conservative as always two sides there’s never a third is there it’s just always to fight fight fight you know and that’s why I don’t I don’t go into the two end of the feminist vote either I’m like nope I’m not going there I’m not feminist I’m not I say we all we all need to respect each other and treat each other well and raise our children that way I mean the golden rule is pretty easy to understand you know you treat others the way you yourself would be treated and at the same time don’t be a fool you know because there are a lot of bad people out there as well but anyway I think I’m going off his attention here but in any case so yeah so taking that step back and starting to see the constructs for what it is and realize something everybody that you know we have lost our mythology we have lost our tribes we have lost connection to our old gods and goddesses you know what I think of the Scottish people I mostly Scottish you know there was a huge battle that the Scots my people fought in the 1700s they fought you know the Brits who wear whatever controlled by Rome or whatever the deal with that this is God’s got their asses handed to them on a platter with a very bloody battle and they just massacred that man in that after that battle so much was lost in that culture and then the Scots were not allowed to wear their Clan Kilts their tartans or something like 56 years if they were caught they were sent out of the country or punished severely so you know what that’s so in other words and so here we are in this Melting Pot which were told oh yeah let’s Embrace diversity everybody you know what it is it’s just putting us all into a corporate sameness and so everybody is losing their culture I don’t care if you’re Chinese or you know American Indian Scottish or what we’re all you know losing touch and so then and then so when you do that when you do that to a people then essentially the government think your will be your new god listen to us and we will create the institutions will create the education will create the media and and I’m not setting to Media is a weapon television the reason why I don’t have a television and I don’t want you know what I can’t I can’t even watch movies anymore because I can see the social engineering and so this is sorcery sorcery is manipulation and so television you’re telling a vision and then what are you watching on the television program and then interesting Lee what do you do what do you change to watch a different program to channel okay and then media is too short for a medium a medium another thing for a medium bring through you know Spirit entities and what not and so this medium is bringing through you know these programs and of course you go into a trance just like a medium does go into a light trance makes you very suggestive and then all sorts of programming and all of those family fun shows and even those clever shows you think are soaked you know I can’t even think of the Grey’s Anatomy and all that horseshit they’re loaded it’s all programming to get you to identify with those characters in that oh yeah that’s how things are you know that’s how that’s how it is and so it’s all inducting you into this sort of way of being and also so in other words we used to tell stories we used to tell stories do you know I realized I realized I could check this out I realize this a few weeks ago or last month it occurred to me oh my God I was initiated into the Celtic Mysteries by my Irish Grandma who is off the boat from Ireland should full Irish accent and she was a master Storyteller will the Irish have been known for that you know Master storytellers their storytellers in every culture but you know that I was really been known for this and she would speak very quietly so we’d have to show and listen to these Amazing Stories and she tells stories about that the fairies and The Kelpies and the Banshees and she was an amazing Storyteller and and then I call my mom later that day I said hey you know it occurred to me I told her that and my mom said I cannot believe you’re calling with me me with a Shana guess what today is an I said what and she said today is your grandmother’s birthday she’s been dead for years you know I didn’t know in any case but so you know we would we would share the stories of our ancestors and astrology and so all of that has been okay and so with that then you know you have children growing up identifying with their folk right and feeling like I am part of this and this is magical and this is ancient and there’s heroes in this lineage and there’s you know this and this and now would we have with TV so it’s not that hard it’s not that great of a leap of logic right to imagine that adults would reaxis some of that imaginary fun making Instinct rape American coach Leisure we would look down on play and we look down on make-believe and so we decide that’s just for children and it’s not for grown ups and I think that that’s a really horrible horrible perspectives of the world cuz you’re only a child for a very very brief point of your life and you’re an adult for a really really long part of your life and wouldn’t I don’t want to stop playing would you want to grow up ever and so yeah I think of BDSM I think erotic play I feel like yeah it’s just this extension of your creativity and artistic and Tristan and your means of expressing yourself and now you get to have sex so why wouldn’t you add that and everything else thank you for helping to frame it that way cuz that it’s it’s so it’s easier to digest when you when I just have never heard that what that phrase before but it just erotic play being obviously it means that you could incorporate more than just your one monogamous married partner that’s just still only allowed that culturally they by the mainstream the idea of being sexually playful with a group of people in the community of people as a social activity like a cocktail party or a mixer or I mean why can’t you believe make break into play make-believe you know the okay fine I just I’m this is my partner this is the only person I’m going to have sex with her I’m going to be in love with or however you’re defining that but I can pretend for the next hour or two that there’s someone I’ve never met before or that there a superhero or that a magical being or whatever and that can really shift your erotic interest in your erotic pleasure I think you probably would be able to say that it will make a lot of relationships last longer and be more Pap more healthier happier for sustainable resilient cuz you’re not getting bored and giving up and going you know stoic that’s great so do you have a key tell it tell me more about the center and how it how it runs and functions is it kind of like a drop-in center or do you have only certain events at certain times or how does the facility time work out we don’t actually have a physical location most of it exists inside my laptop and out of and that means we don’t have to pay for rent so that’s why we go to where we need to go so you know we have regular meetings happen in my house or one of the other board members houses we do have some events here and there are a lot of our fundraisers or just online to make it easier to reach as many people as possible and of course we’re trying to reach a broader audience than just Los Angeles so we Skype workshops we Skype things we’ve talked to classes in New York and classes in Idaho and you know all over the place so you know we do a lot of different things we also have an academic Journal that you’re positive sexuality it’s free it’s open access anyone is welcome to use it and read it and submit work to it and you know that’s been going we’re now in our third year of publication of that and that is hitting a worldwide audience some of the countries that are accessing this are it’s all over in Australia and in Belgium and in various parts of the UK and it’s hitting parts of Asia Japan so it’s really really great so we have a very wide reach and what we do we have approximately 50 to 60 volunteers who work with us we also have an internship program so we get college students who want internship credits or what the work experience and so they volunteer for a specific. Of time and work on specific projects for us at different times of the year we get most of our interns during the summer but we get interns year-round and we have in our volunteers so we have Educators we have people who are research Affiliates and who published research and use the center is one of their professional affiliations we have research assistants who helped them we do you work with events so we do some Outreach events I think on Wednesday we’re going to UCLA sextravaganza which is been happening for several years on UCLA’s campus that we usually set up a booth are we do that with other things around town we’ve also have members some of our volunteers go to conferences all over the world and represent us at different places and in different areas where they were very popular in Melbourne just found out from a friend who’s been living in Australia for past couple years so I can’t I guess we’ll have to go there at some point cool it’s a new cloud-based model it’s elegant and overhead in the neighborhood drama and that there’s a lot of reasons to transcend that six location and you can if you can be a mobile you know unit then you can just take your your your laptop and projector and some you know what your handouts or whatever you have in this b a and again because true using Skype and using other types of internet programs you know we can get into a classroom you know that might not be able to bring us there physically but we can still do it will set it up on our end and and just stream live stream wherever we need to be and and it’s very helpful to cuz we so we have volunteers I think are farthest away volunteer that we’ve had so far was in Trinidad so we can have volunteers from anywhere in the world who can work with us medication programs and so they help us Creator update or education resources in our reference materials and putting together things to help teachers facilitate this in their classes they might actually be one of our Educators we train people to go out to those classes and to give presentations to places we have research assistants to make come in with a certain amount of background knowledge and how to do academic research and some come in just wanted to learn it and so we trained them and they work with people who are doing research in various aspects of positive sexuality and so some of them get to co-author papers and some of them get to work on the ground floor of research happening and get to really get into what that is and have a voice and have an influence in what’s being done in the academic world and this is course then starts to affect policy when we’re putting scientific research in front of people and saying here this is what the says that’s not the correct or let them besides these aspects and that can be very very helpful we work with other organizations so and CSF the National Coalition for sexual freedom is one of our sort of co-working his nation’s the community academic Consortium for research on alternative sexualities we work with them as well yeah I’m getting chills yeah I’m getting chills cuz this is a lot more than I bargained for and actually seeking a lot of what you’re describing and to have yeah we hope we have a good bit of time last time feeling compelled to ask you a little bit about I guess hey if you’re into taboos right blowing them there is all I ever believed starting this week there’s going to be the biggest psychedelic science conference in the history of humanity happening in the Bay Area it’s put together by that multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and the there’s a lot of really important cutting-edge legal for the first time in decades studies happening all over the world with psilocybin you know I gave magic mushrooms and MDMA and Ayahuasca and marijuana and peyote and I will gain a number of other synthetic and natural organic you could say psychedelic compounds in a lot of it is at this point in this stage of the Renaissance of research it’s really about proving the safety the relative safety of different compounds getting the dosage to be sort of understood better at also having some really important clinical trials around ending ending addiction to harmful drugs ending cigarette addiction end-of-life anxiety sexual abuse and Trauma and PTSD from War veterans there’s all these different the demographics that are starting to have really groundbreaking results and they’re doing you know they’re putting in the millions of dollars to do the the research for all this and so I bring that up just to say that this is an interesting juncture for me because the a cultural cliche about sex drugs and rock and roll and you know the way that the culture of inebrians is starting to move a large part due to Raves and festivals it’s moving more towards entheogens than just Coke and heroin and meth and booze there’s more opportunities for people who are coming into their sexuality to have access to psychedelic experiences and so there’s the new Alchemy of innocent in these Generations between sex drugs and rock and roll and if it’s it’s it’s it’s a lot more sophisticated and advanced and and and just more diverse in many ways than it was in the 60s when it was you know Acid Rock and LSD and other birth of the the hippie movement in the 60s but I’m wondering if you have in your position they’re come across any any any people who are interested in in rigorous academic study of what this new sex and drugs and rock and roll Paradigm it is shaping up to become if there’s anyone interested in that that you know of he’s been there are definitely people who are starting who are doing research on these topics and very often the connection that ends up happening in the academic research is you know if we’re looking at the sex drugs and rock and roll that of course is going to look at the outcomes and too often I think the the outcome that gets stressed is okay so what’s the what’s the public health issue so is it possible or is it likely that people are might be transmitting STIs because they might be under the influence of something or maybe they can’t we do we have to worry about consent if someone is under the influence of something that then means that they cannot now consent to what happens at that point so what happens if everybody who’s involved have done that so where does that line get drawn so I think a lot of the issues that have come up in recent research has been either on public health topics around STI transmission or on consent topics recognizing that at least by law if someone is inebriated for example they can now no longer consent to sexual activity okay so what happens if everybody involved. That’s so interesting yet that’s exactly what I’ve been actually encountering and in just by life experiences it’s there’s there’s a lot of people now who were you can say you were having expanded Consciousness through empty agentic use meaning it’s kind of a nice way of saying psychedelic no drugs but but that’s an important consideration because just because you feel like you’re enlightened than that one with God doesn’t mean that you’re immune from being the perpetrator with that Enlightenment that you don’t think you have a potential for abuse and even if it’s not that sort of shady you know where that sort of Insidious there’s also just the issue you’re not in your body if you’re having an out-of-body ecstatic psychedelic experience how how do you get even if you can send it to the idea of something earlier in the evening that has to be held through somehow and if you lose the if you become somebody else or part of your higher self or whatever it could be theirs that’s some chicky territory for sure yeah so that’s I guess there’s you know that I’ve seen like at electronic dance music events you can call him Rave but that’s kind of more you know probably more accurate term these days cuz there’s within that whole world there’s different camps and it’s more no more more bride to just called electronic dance music these days but you know there is there’s sort of harm reduction education Outreach groups that put out one sheet kind of look like glass CD mailer cards you know about business matters and they have kind of a profile of what the different substances how did how to test and make sure that they’re real or are what you’re getting it like that there’s that whole harm reduction education Outreach approach that is kind of like what you’re talking about but it’s for the party scene in just for best and better practices around that but I could see that they’re being a sum interest group of people where they would want to see things the way you’re talking about it cuz I actually no way you’re framing it it it feels like there’s a lot more due diligence for people that want to be credible and respectable and using best practices to actually think with some of these analytical tools so I’m hoping you’ll be great if there was some overlap or or or Synergy with all this stuff I think more and more what is happening as we’re seeing the people who are actually involved in all of these different spaces you know the people were actually doing whatever it is we’re talking about having more influence on the research that’s being conducted so that it creates a more authentic overall experience and I think it adds a level of legitimacy to the research so rather than a researcher sort of from on high saying well I’m going to study this group and I think what they’re doing may not be safe and so we know the perspective that I’m going to come about with this is that well this is already inherently unsafe and now I’m going to show you why it’s in safe and I think more and more we have researchers who are in these communities who are in these faces or doing all of these things and you say you know maybe we need to do is talk to the people who were actually doing this and not talk to them with a preconceived notion of what’s going on or what they’re experiencing or what may be happening but go in just as a hey could give us some information to tell us about what’s happening and I think we’re seeing more of that so there has been research on for example like barebacking and there’s been research on sex workers experiences and there’s been research on sort of the the spiritual some of the spiritual Connections in the spiritual extremes that can be experienced through extreme SM activities light hookah coals and those kinds of things so we’re seeing more and more of that happening where people who are actually in these groups are part of the subcultures are also crossovers into the academic life and we’re just seeing an amazing amount of research that starting to Bubble to the surface and get a little bit of space. I think this research has been getting done for quite a while but it can be really hard to get it published because some of the academic Publishers don’t want to hear about it and I want you to my is any of these things so if they publish something on it they want to be really careful so with our journal and with some of the other journals out there we’ve been able to bridge. Cap and actually be able to show some I feel like more authentic stories well absolutely will now in this world have so many The Gatekeepers being dissolved by the power of the internet I feel like you know there’s a lot of bad journalism or untrained journalism so there’s got to be a lot of bad or untrained or Incredible or uncredible research but maybe it’s the methodology that can be what’s the word sort of feel like I could imagine what as you were speaking I was imagining will wouldn’t it be great to train the you know that like the anthropological participation observation ethnography kind of model but if you were to train if you were coming from that subculture and you wanted to sort of document your tribe and produce your own ethnography kind of amongst your friends kind of tabulate experiences and collect notes insured compare notes is there was you recommend any kind of Crash Course doing data collection for different types of research paper I’m doing ethnography in the field and sort of how that works and how you can sort of pull everything together there’s a really good little guidebooks you know a quick online search for for some of these guys are out there and ask her if she is amazing stuff I love doing a photography by the way I think it’s an incredible tool that doesn’t get use nearly enough and and it got a lot of researchers a colleague of mine she recently did a photographic ethnographic working with lgbtq Foster Youth and homeless Youth and kind of went out gave them all cameras and said take photographs of Your World of your life of who you are, and they did a whole art show you know like found a gallery in Downtown LA and just played everyone’s photographs and and you know really got people connected to them and seeing them as people who have life experiences and they’re not just sort of a category of disadvantaged kids so yeah I think there’s there’s an easy guide books out there just like a quick you can find some quick little things of how to do ethnography and how to do that and but I think a lot of that to starts with her own storytelling so things that you do and things that others do and and all the bloggers out there and everything of these are all forms of ethnography relay yeah that’s cool it’s just that it’s exciting and hopeful cuz I feel that I’m at a point where I’m doing kind of pseudo-scientific Rogue radical research that’s way too far out for any government agency or any academic institution to touch with a ten-foot pole so it’s it’s kind of on me and my colleagues and friends 2 do this sort of underground research but then hope that it it’s done in a way that it can be respectable or it can be legitimated later you know but it is probably good to do what you’re suggesting and actually have some some templates for collecting the data that mean okay here’s what would our experiment yielded and here’s the methodology in the procedure and you can test it on your own Hardy or lab or whatever replicate what you’ve done and so can you give enough information that would allow somebody else to replicate and get similar results in their own place or find totally different results which is also fascinating injured and interesting and yeah and I think that’s really I mean that’s science that is science Sciences pushing boundaries and science is you now let’s try a new thing and see what happens and science is telling a new story or New Perspective of a story and you know I think that that’s been lost over the past many years Society The Sciences inquiry science is asking questions and wondering why thing happens and how something happens and trying to figure that out and I think that we’ve sort of collectively as a larger society have sort of lost that Focus write the word crowdsourced crowd-source funding crowdsourced ideas and editing and an art I mean you were talking about that at that photo gallery exhibit and that’s a great example if you would call that a crowd-sourced ethnographic oh yeah photojournalism nice oh yeah that’s cool that’s that’s exciting time so I’m also wondering now do you have do you do you or your organization the Center provide any kind of consulting services or any kind of where you could be hired or you could be sort of commissioned to do research or to consult on Research I don’t know that we’re I don’t know that anybody is really hired to do research cuz wouldn’t it be fantastic if someone will pay for that but that doesn’t happen if we do get hired as consultants for a variety of things so either individuals within the organization or the collective organization May consult on certain projects or consult on like creative curriculum for a particular thing and we have individuals who are consulted on court cases and I’m legal issues so so there’s a lot of that we also get hired by professionals like to teach professional workshops on various topics so that happens as well because we’re a nonprofit although those things are often we you know ask for fee cuz usually the people who were asking for these services are people who can pay for it but what going out to the schools we’re going to colleges in touch or we have a student group asked us to come and do something with them or like what you know we go to somebody’s community of answer something we may ask for an honorarium but we’re going to do this stuff for free so we really depend on our donors and our contributors and the people who support us to kind of give us the funding that we need in order to do what we want to do and and to publishing and all the other stuff so our journals available for free most of our Outreach staff and education program is all for free so yeah a lot of what we do depends on donations as opposed to people actually hiring us officially to do something right on that sounds like a healthy well-rounded multi Revenue stream nonprofit you’re definitely fulfilling your mission in so many beautiful dimensions and I’m just really happy to know that we’ve connected to some really feel better about living in the world with you more offline 2 just to explore some of these Consulting opportunities that you have and see what we’re about and all of that stuff were completely volunteer so none of us are paid for what we do I don’t run a paycheck nobody wants a paycheck that’s completely volunteer and yeah we’re just we’re just trying to let you know we just try to bring it enough funds to keep going and to keep doing what we’re doing and to expand so we’re actually going to be expanding our face-to-face education program out to Chicago over the next few months so Craig can you do that that’s well thank you so much that’s great I feel like it’s it’s really refreshing to to hear that there are people out there who are so dedicated to the cause that it’s that you did not just going to slam the door in your face if you don’t write a check if you know the first five minutes if you’re not going to bill me for this podcast interview right now about an hour into it is do you have a sort of committee or task force or team or just even a person who is either because they are a trauma Survivor or because it’s just near and dear to their hearts whatever reason is there you do consent workshops in self-defense or rape and assault prevention and any any more of the or any any of the sort of preventative and treatment kind of education unpreparedness we do have programs around consent we don’t really specifically talk about self defense or or right prevention in the standard sense so we don’t really talk about here’s what you can do to prevent being raped we talked about here’s what you can do to not rape someone because really this is not on the victim this is on the perpetrator but we also talked about you know here’s other ways that you might think about your sexual self and your identity in the power dynamics that you may interact with and find consensual outlets for some of your interests and behaviors and the citiz and you know we talked about a wide range of those things so it would be great if the people who are doing the Rape Crisis counseling and who are just in the trenches of dealing with battered women and in and going in and and doing you know investigations to catch meant to prosecute the perpetrators of all ages if they were I would let it would be great if in it you know in a perfect world they were seeking you all to educate themselves on better prevention and better version or diversion from the criminal whole that the response like they’re coming as the First Responders two incidents that would have been prevented by a proper education on all sides right and we do have we do have information so some of our researchers and and because we have people who are social workers who have conducted research through us who have published on how to do how to have a sex positive approach to handling victims how to have a sex positive approach to handling offenders and that these approaches can really help reduce crime can reduce negative stigma can reduce it comes cool is that would that be on your website or at some if I if I can follow up with you later cool okay well alright I feel like it’s this is yes. A real blessing and I just want to thank you again for your time and generous sharing of great info so with that said do you want to give the website and any other maybe upcoming events or anything else you’d like to promote and the website is positive sexuality. Org journal and that’s Journal of positive sexuality. Org we have our anniversary party coming up this July so if you want to be invited and want to be a part of that anniversary party will be a fundraiser you can contact me at Emily Emily at positive sexuality. Org or you can go to our website and put in your email address and then you’re on our newsletter list and you’ll get information through our newsletter about our party and we’re hoping we’re putting together an academic conference for next year so look on our website check things out if you go to sex pause khan.com so s e x p o s c o n. Com there’s going to be updated information they’re probably starting in the next couple of weeks for our positive sexuality conference coming up in 2018 in Burbank all right that’s very exciting thank you again yeah that’s me alright thank you so much again and I will hopefully I’ll be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite sex if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. Com Thomas gay
In this episode I have the deep and profound honor of sharing one of what I hope will be many “Kali Monologues” from those who have experienced revelation and salvation with Goddess Kali. This first guest narrative by my new dear friend Ryan provides heart wrenching and warming insight into the process of self-initiation through psychedelic goddess worship. I was brought to tears as I read his first email to me, I asked if he’d be willing to record his story so I could share it on the show. Please enjoy and allow these words of liberation and redemption to motivate you to transcend your ego and all negative influences internal and external that intend to bring you down. Never forget the eternal divine feminine love ever awaiting your courage to seek her dancing embrace.
I also answer a listener question about the interplay of drugs and spirituality. I offer my guidance for best practices, and it couldn’t be better timing that the question came in and is the prelude to Ryan’s story of psychedelic goddess worship.
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In this episode I’m joined by M.F.P. and we discuss the need for a shamanic revolution in the porn industry. I read my press release introducing a new “shamanic porn” genre starting with the recent release of the Tantradelic Exorgasm music video.
I break down the meaning behind the title and lyrics of the track and I provide an intensive intro to sexual and psychedelic shamanology.
In this episode I’m joined by MFP, my lead benefactress in my not-for-profit Christian feminist porn production initiative. She holds supportive space for me to tell a heart and gut wrenching story of my abuse and victimization as a survivor, former sex worker, and adult performer. We then explore a long chain of synchronicities leading to our new dharmic path as spiritual pornographers in service to healing the Earth and resurrecting the divine feminine.
This episode is the second of two audio lab reports from my early psychedelic goddess worship sessions where I was guided by a traditional authentic female Kali worshiper and spiritual healer. I document the gory details of this second experimental ceremony, it is a follow up to episode number 2 and contains important elements that were missed in my observations during and reflections after the first session. For the best context, I recommend listening to episode two first:
This episode is the second in a series of audio recorded lab reports from some of my deepest, darkest, most revelatory psychedelic goddess worship sessions. While living at a Goddess temple deep in the woodlands of the Pacific Northwest I was guided to combine shamanic magic mushroom ceremony, sacred psytrance music, and tantric Goddess Kali invocation. Be warned, there are many gory details before the glory.
This episode is the first in a series of audio recorded lab reports from some of my deepest, darkest, most revelatory psychedelic goddess worship sessions. While living at a Goddess temple deep in the woodlands of the Pacific Northwest I was guided to combine shamanic magic mushroom ceremony, sacred psytrance music, and tantric Goddess Kali invocation. In this lab report I detail a journey in which a track I was working on took me directly into a demon hatchery on the astral plane. I describe the experience and comment on the implications.
In this episode I have the great honor of speaking with my divine feminine spirituality mentor, healer and dear friend Sufiana. She holds space for me to summarize over two years worth of psychedelic shamanic research that began with the meeting of our souls in a sacred dance.
It was she who initiated me into the might, magic, and mystery of Goddess Kali. Together we explore the ancient lore and modern science that are converging to bring the Goddess back into psychotherapeutic effect.
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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 35 I’m here with Sue Fionna and we’re going to talk about the science of goddess invocation we’re going to be looking at how these ancient tantric Hindu archetypes of the goddess can be translated and understood in a modern context using modern language for Psychotherapy and somatic healing and in all these new sort of modalities that are being scientifically studied and recognized and so there’s this intersection of the esoteric and the scientific and we’re going to explore that and discuss some of our mutual discoveries and I’ll say that where was the first important effect that I observed actually goes back to the first night that we had begun to communicate and sort of from share a vision of bringing more divine feminine energy on to the Earth plane through through dancing together we kind of set that attention in the very beginning and then literally that first night that we made that intention I went into my normal Friday night mushroom psytrance dancing ritual and began to have a massive download and start to channel visions of a future where a very Fierce powerful goddess energy will be guiding me and possibly Sufjan are you know us together collaborating to be able to bring in this righteous rage and I had just seen a video of her inviting Kali through a dance and I didn’t have any real understanding of the the Hindu goddess Kali archetypal when I read about it and I was very intrigued and and then it was like from that moment she began to enter my my life and in that the first night of dancing I was not only feeling this and seeing this for the first time this sort of Astral texture of her body and this very well well established depiction of a sort of array of kaleidoscopic eyes and if the very wrathful facial expressions in this sort of time continuum of a feminine a beautiful feminine Continuum of phone of Flesh and teeth and things in ferocity to sort of higher dimensional living massive organism and that was when I first started to see in the mushroom state from the third eye perspective this force of nature this feminine Divine force of Nature and towards the end of that first dance after I had felt this new rage righteous rage energy come in was Exquisite and beautiful I began to actually have a perception of a far more terrifying or terrible form that was very much not humanoid in very much sort of insectoid and I was I had to avert my third eye I had to change the channel and and snap out of it and in in in sort of a void that the invitation to go deeper into into that that experience and then later I found out after reading the Bible Gita that do you know when the conversation with with Krishna and Arjuna there’s this point where Arjuna is shown the Divine true interdimensional body or true form of of the Divine entity and it’s so terrifying has to end over his eyes and ask him and beg him to return to his humanoid form and when I discovered that in the end of the scriptures that was like okay that’s exactly what I experienced there is this extra-dimensional non-human Divine beings entities that that we’re being you know describing a similar way so that was a ridge that was my first encounter with the goddess Kali before even meeting Sufjan In the Flesh and then after meeting the first time we you know discuss their kind of Life paths and and our our Journeys if a feeling and what not and then we had said the intention to then get together and do a bit of dancing because I had asked you know hey would you train me and teach me some of this some sacred dance you know it would really help me in my journey in so we rented a Little Rock Band Rehearsal studio for an hour and I plugged in my MP3 player and played some some sensual and in a powerful psychedelic trance music in and then something very frightening and beautiful occurred which is that Sufjan of began to just get into her beautiful traditional dance State and I was doing a kind of country textbook kind of pranic healing intuitive Oreck sweeping around the the female is form of prayer and devotion and worship to encircle the female and in the center and and slowly close the gap and go from a sweeping of the aura to a gentle sweet thing of the of the surface of the skin to a powerful and Brace and as as their process began to occur we create this funnel Vortex Whirlwind of Prana and then I don’t know if you want if you remember this exact moment but I remember it like like like seeing a burning bush but you at that moment snapped into the Kali invocation deity possession transtate tongue rolling out porosity of expression and a sort of wave a discharge of this wrathful energy so do you recall that and had that ever happened before to you anything like that I I have to say that it was a very different experience from my earlier ones though being from Indian culture and having danced like Carly in some of my performances I did I did have a few minor visitations kind of that kind of experience but that was particular Dance Experience was it was something beyond that for sure and then of course the next experience we had together with the the journey which will soon be talking about was oh my goodness. It was like a million x million steps forward from from this Dance Experience but it was a beautiful moment it is so hard to put something like that in the word that is why I am at lost in some ways it is something that you really have to experience it but I I was I had not taken any kind of drugs but I was constantly for that one or two hours I was just having visions and colors and light and all these designs for me in front of my eyes my eyes were closed of course and I was supposed to test by the movement and I was possessed by the divine feminine yeah it’s the validation and so is that moment I was astounded and struck and I immediately that shifted my life forever because I is it as a sort of from you call it a pseudo-scientists there were an armchair scientist or amateur but someone who is a big fan of the movie and read the book Altered States which is all about the scientific study of the intersection between physiology and phenomenology in other words what you experience is one narrative to talk about and what is measurable on the physical plane in the body’s physiology you know if you say you see a ghost you know there is Ghost Hunters are trying to look for the physical evidence of such things in if you say you saw it that’s really subjective thing that certain aspects we measured but in that film Altered States you can get a lot of America s that set me a motion to understand why mystical experiences are of such interest to psychedelic scientists because that’s where we can actually gather data and start to prove the existence of God or prove the existence of goddess and therefore shift the soulless like dead Paradigm of the Scientific Revolution and his you know been responsible for so much disaster we need to bring sacredness back into life on Earth so without going into a polemic only move quickly on to the next is significant event which is that you know I began from that moment realizing that there was this powerful healing force of nature that was coming into my life for a reason and that I had to respect it and study it and be open to you know the next steps and so on we started to plan some shamanic work together and and in collaborate and you know designing some some ritual procedure and Sacred Space for going further in bringing in the psilocybin mushroom the sacred mushroom into you know into a goddess invocation event and so we actually did a dry run first without the medicine and and I was experiencing powerful effects you were using if you remember you kind of walk me through a kind of more let’s say it’s not traditional but a more kind of textbook cycle therapeutic modality of anchoring inner child in the spirit animal and going into the forest and then opening up of a portal below the roots of the tree for the dark armies to be flushed down and that was a very like kind of NLP neuro-linguistic programming based approach or you know something based on your your studies at the California Institute of integral studies or that at school there so if you have any thoughts or memories about that you were doing kind of massage and chakra work guiding me through that was our first time 9 psychedelic dry run of giving you the Spiritual Authority to do healing work in to cast demons out of my field you know if you remember that the experience I remember the one with the journey are you talking about the one very word Journey on the mushrooms yeah I was starting to break down and cry you wasn’t that it wasn’t that memorable you know what I mean to me it was a course but that was if you don’t recall much about is fine cuz it wasn’t it wasn’t it was just like a Prelude to where I can start to feel yeah there’s we’re opening up this astral body and doing some some deep tissue work in the astral body but that was before we do the mushrooms to it so that was a sort of dry run it happen and then in between that dry run and our scheduled full on full heroic dose mushrooms journey I was assembling the soundtrack for this journey because I knew or had you know we had discovered that okay there’s something about the Psychedelic trance feet and a psychedelic trance the way that it the frequencies and a lot of you know tuned to actual sacred frequency is a lot of the tracks have especially to go a genre has sacred Melodies and and really they’re like you know they’re they’re able to unlock different energies in the astral plane these frequencies and his Beats and obviously they get you add realized so they’re preparing you for a spiritual battle to to retrieve your own soul that’s what people are doing on the dance floor is shedding demons and retrieving fragments of their soul and becoming whole again through the sacred ecstatic trance dance at a universal phenomenon and even you know it’s documented by stanza by stanza stand graph stands fully that Congress and African foraging people’s activate Kundalini through their own ritual ecstatic trance dance and it’s there you know similar therapeutic use of Kundalini Shakti but in their terms have different words for it but we’re talking about forces of nature and activating them through dance so you know who it was I took it upon myself to spirit of God choose a selection of tracks that would be most adrenal icing for the for the ritual and one of them was the suspects spotted Track by Mad Max and that track I had been journeying on my own and listen to that track and I was given a powerful vision of how this is like the the the flute with the melody to charm collie and her terrible beautiful hyperdimensional Predator form in in in an indication that could invite her into actually do the Demonic devourment in a very Astros ecological Manor in the hole that all these words and not sending dance with the simple way to look at it is it in in the astral plane there is an ecosystem just as As Above So Below there’s an ecosystem and the deities aren’t just cartoon archetypes they have functional roles medical assistant so the analogy would be that if you are suffering from mental or physical illness it is because you know like a leaf of a spinach plant is suffering because there are aphids eating and devouring it in so if you were an aphid that had a spiritual technology to call forth the ladybug that ladybug would be something you would worship and devote yourself to because a ladybug will be devouring the aphids and liberating you and providing you with the ability to heal yourself so I was given that Vision not as a sort of you know what would you call it and it wasn’t a symbolic Vision I actually saw the true biological hyperdimensional beneficial predator entity that Hindu Tantra sex ancient psychedelic you know tantrix were were talking about in an inward decoding or including the experience in the scriptures in the contras the tantris are the scriptures of Devotion to Kali and you know that’s something I got deeper into studying later but in that moment myself dancing I was filled with joy and I Had A Smile as big as ramakrishna because I knew that this is what the power in with the fur for a fursuit Fiona to be vamping out in a possession state in a bistro possession state with a war face of a mother raccoon ready to pounce that is the cat is the intersection of the the astral power of the goddess and when the devotee acts actively engage is that energy and in permits her to enter then we get into we’ll talk about a minute which is more medically measurable effects but long story short I had that Vision or that experience that phenomenological experience and then I I was so excited about it and when I found you Sufjan it like a few days later to tell you I was like overjoyed and acting like a freak dancing around in circles at outside of your place in Santa Monica and I made the mistake of of like it is an American in a friendly manner like putting my arm around you and you were like not used to having affection in public so it’s kind of a disaster but but I was excited and that was that was they took that excitement into you know what what what we did together which was we brought in the mushroom in and we played those tracks and then all hell broke loose all Heaven broke loose and we experience something that I already put in previous podcast you know our recording where we were both sort of like 10 turned white is still in the DAT possession transtate and we’re still channeling the the I would call them the Commandments of Yoni worship and all of that is already documented in some of the earlier podcast I’m not going to give mine are too about that we already did that but you now in this moment looking back I’m curious you know how would you describe what it felt like when you in that mushroom ceremony were able to fully embody the goddess and perform a shamanic form of exorcism you know what are your what are your thoughts now to add to what we already had recorded about this couple years ago well in that moment I have to say that it says like the most natural thing to do it felt so effortless to be my most empowered self but the power was the power was intense and it was so beautiful at the same time it wasn’t something that could possibly come from your arrogance or egotism in fact if you were trying to come from that place seeking power then you pretty much be sliced off by her sword by Kali sword that’s how I felt so there was that Modest part of me that was also coming from the ego the voice that oh you know maybe you know this is I don’t know if if if this power is coming from the eagle or if this power is you know can be arrogance because we are so used used to this polluted a form of power that is rampant around in the world that when pure power comes and possesses you it’s hard to trust it immediately but it felt so effortless it felt so natural and it felt like it was always there this is who I always was and always will be I was always Carly and I always will be curly how can I not be her and this is not just about me this is this is not about sufiyana this is not about me at all she is there within all of us and why do we forget to embody her that is the biggest question there was a mirror in front of me and I looked at myself and I told myself sufiyana tomorrow when this journey is over I have a feeling that you would want to go back into your old patterns and forget who you truly are you’re going to want to forget your soul don’t do that remember this moment always remember this moment and I remember that in the beginning we had maybe some kind of you know we started with some meditative music and then we did grounding centering and all that then we started dropping in with some trance music but we went to the deepest darkest Parts you know and do the most Divine parts that yearning with a fierce collie happened to this beautiful music which maybe Ben will share with you all that was a chant to goddess Durga and the Montreal goes like this adversity end at some point I remember that the computer that was not a single link that was open but the song was just playing we were playing it initially on YouTube and it was I don’t know it was like magic it was just playing I don’t know where how it was playing but I put later on I put the song on repeat mode and we just went deeper and deeper and deeper with it and yeah it was very Fierce moments very very very Fierce moments all the anger that the feminine is the feminine within all of us with her regardless whether you are a man or a woman that the feminine within us is holding in her unconscious the anger that comes from years and years of patriarchy misogyny and all the ill effects and the suffering and the pain it’s causing all of the children men women I’ve met women that can be patriarchal in misogynist and there can be men also so I’m this is not about men or women I’m not stalking against men here I’m talking against patriarchy and misogyny and we just know that it’s important so we do this and and so like I’ve been doing this constantly one of my goals that I set out of certain point was that at least you know once a year there would be a community gathering around love sex intelligence and the rest of the time you know we haven’t online for him but very important for that hole project has been and which we’ve stepped it up in the recent months to make sure that hopefully like every month we can do something is to to say that the community around learning about how to how to harmonise our relationships how to defend our sexuality into something that is you know how uplifting our spiritual path is something that needs to be done you know with with with more support and so that’s why it’s it can’t just functioning online capacity so that’s something I’ve committed to we have we have been actually our next events is focusing squarely on sexual initiation I’m pink resented by someone named y’all Lila Espinosa is looking at how to tweeze mower practices that she learned in Peru you know have informed her own healing and and then creating her own initiation but yeah I also you know as an astrologer I work with people and often it is around relating I’ve done a little bit of like you know support for people I think what happens is you know when when you become a central figure in any given Community people will come to you when they’re in crisis and this is what has informed my my the work that I do around you know Rites of Passage is responding to crisis from a place that seeks to get to the root of what is causing the crisis which in so many cases is that there is a lack of of support and people therefore will resort to self initiation just something I’ve had to do in my own life and and see it so much the case for some of the other people and there’s another psychological shifts that occur when people an emotional shift that occur when people feel a sense that they’re being held that they are being that they can fit they can let go and have a safe space to go into those wounds and begin working on them and of course it would help if we had a little more guidance and how to do that but thought comes over over time you know we have to work from where we’re at and so that’s something that I’ve been in in the my own process of of my own work around here figuring what those things are with those tools are and Tom yeah like I said I’m not an expert but I can at least Point people in some directions I guess what we’re looking at here is that there’s an underground space very intentional underground space that is more conducive to kind of freestyling or rolling your own ceremony and just holding the light and and letting those who it call who are called to it you know it would become integrated into keep it at the gala Therrien and flowing so that you don’t have cult of personality and politics and all of the scenester Hipster things coming in and that’s always up in it and he has to be on guard against and whatnot so I see there’s that unfoldment in that development and then there’s people who are also working like stay in the social work field who are informing their peers and colleagues in those sectors with these Neo shamanic techniques or nonviolent communication or your where it’s legal and accessible and permissible you know legally again to be able to put people on amor I guess like prisons prison you Lila has a very and I’ve done some I interviewed her in the past and I’m a big fan of what she’s doing and I know she has a strong background in clinical social work and is feeding back into that sector the wisdom of of the Amazon and and Beyond and so is that something that you have I just thought I remember reading somewhere you know or talk to you at some point about how this is this is like you could be hired by the more formal above ground and sectors of social work or Community work with where you can be brought in to bring some of the stuff that would normally be or I guess it’s just that it’s a very interesting Cutting Edge of an intersection and I if I’m not mistaken that’s that you you are like sort of partially in that world 2 of of social work or is that something I understand correctly yeah I’ll I will string this conversation back and see where where I where I am placed social work as well as all the modalities of counseling and healing you know like they are all part and parcel to supporting and upholding status quo capitalist system so I’m going to like you know like you know also haven’t been in the punk scene also had a big enough impact on my my party now 13 m in terms of healing these wounds we have to look at that and I we can’t we can’t say like that are healing is going to be independent of the world that is reeling and suffering from the continuation of this system as it is and so that’s where for me like bringing capitalism into the equation is is something that’s real tricky it’s something that I feel needs to be kind of understood. You know we we can’t just rely on having sting services that we can pay for because that creates a gap you know where some people are going to have accessible abilities to to the healing and others won’t and that’s that’s not healthy for anyone and and also that it doesn’t address the root cause of why we need social workers to begin with and why we need counseling and all of that so I really like the notion of cultural healing that’s where more where I would be comfortable in any way kind of looking at myself as any kind of healer I don’t think we we can really heal individuals that’s really something that you know a person will need to and it’s not like they can be facilitated to do their own healing work but nobody can fix us we have to fix ourselves that’s that’s more I think a more powerful Paradigm to be apart of but you know I I I have worked in the realm of I focused therapy and you know I have spent quite a bit of time around the spirit plant medicines and seeing how the plant medicines have assisted and I do I do continue continuously work to increase my knowledge and wisdom around working with us plants and and that also brings us back into that hole realm of discussion around you know ancestors and working with them or perhaps that’s something we haven’t really touched upon but maybe she said it’s just that in any form of healing that we do I guess for me the important thing that I really try to bring into whatever I do connecting back with her ancestors and healing the trauma of how we were disconnected from those ancestors and how that plays out in any kind of sexual wounds or emotional wounds that we carry and so that’s something that I I I feel like the role of initiation and ritual can can really do and that’s that’s been its Province ever since people began doing patrols I think it’s to build upon the legacy of their ancestors and to draw and their their help and support cool said that yeah thank you for helping me understand the other parameters a little better and and 100% there with you I have I have been because I live in the United States where there’s different laws around no prostitution in in how that affects the healing with sexual touch and pleasure as medicine and stuff like that is a lot more yes I understand in in Canada there’s there’s a lot more interesting legal space in order to do Hands-On Sexual Healing work relative to the US where it’s completely off limits in so I because of that adapting to that reality and also is a permaculture designer myself I have to think very deeply about how to navigate this issue of for-profit healing work that kind of in most sectors is about like you said I’ll put in my own words it’s like they want to know if if the if you’re at a time of time robot that supposed to be producing a set amount to be a productive member of the of the GDP then then if you’re not functioning properly than the the goal of the mainstream social work or psychotherapeutic or psychiatric Fields they’re trying to get you back into the rat race as soon as possible and they’ll do that with drugs with talk therapy or whatever that is about avoiding through tissue which is the disconnection from urethane from a healthy holistic wild habitat you know a night as a primitivist I see that you know the solution to your Neurosis is to retry belies and Get Growing your own food again in and rebuild that fabric so you know there with you on that tension about right livelihood in and taking money for healing and what is he doing so I really like what you said and that just is going to it’s going to help me a lot looking at healing the cultural level and healing the if I’m understanding right and I’ll put a couple my own words on it but I feel like we’re trying to build the scaffolding or were trying to design the context for people to take the responsibility of a personal healing and gone to that journey and so if you if what would you say are some practical skills are tools from all of your things that you would teaching and training and a things that you discovered in your own journey to where you’re in power tools for empowerment that you suggest or are resources that you suggest people Explorer to if they’re called to do the cultural healing work weather for profit or non-profit. Some dance between the two or it and then what what are some recommendations for people who are on their own path and aren’t necessarily called to do the the cultural healing yeah I mean it’s it’s a pretty vast subject that one but I think that a few points that I could think about and talk about our that I’m going to this idea of bringing you back in the station rights and recognizing that in the absence of them what do we have you know we are we are sadly in there without initiated Elders so many of us and if there are any of Elders that hold that ability to to guide those those ones are those are worth their weight in gold you know there really is people that we should try to lift up and and give them their recognition and see you know and then in the absence of that it’s like we kind of by default Our Generations people that will have to hopefully fulfill that and reach a place where we can actually help upcoming generations to go in a way that they don’t have to completely go it alone and and figure it out on them on their own the way that so many of us have had to and so there is a movement around Rites of Passage I sit on the board if you passageways which is a network that focus is squarely on you no Rites of Passage for you coming of age from all different walks and and and modalities you know some of them are our Boys to Men oriented some of them are girls to women some of them are starting to incorporate non gender binary kind of approaches as well which is good and and this whole focus on bringing back the ancestors into looking at Rites of Passage is is starting to happen and something that I focused on and so that’s that’s a resource you know people can go to youth passageways. Oregon and look at what programs are out there and they can also think about how they can add to that list and bring in things that are needed around especially around sexuality and relationship which is often I noticed kind of a big gap in a lot of programs out there you know because they’re confined confined or constrained by the conservative values where they take place and you know what school system is you know this is one of those places lagging for that kind of thing so it’s a role that I think that many people who understand the need can step into and cultivate as career paths you know and some people are pig figuring out how they can weave their credentials says on Sexual Health Educators or sexual therapist or sexual trauma or no trauma-based therapists you know into this realm of initiation and that’s that needs to happen on a on an increased level the other I see a lot of because of what I was saying around looks really don’t how many Avenues to learn other than through you know what the books in the workshops and offerings around sexuality thoughts unfortunately are not rooted in in people’s only need two lineages generally speaking you know so the whole Tantra movement is pretty much so you know a cultural appropriator of New Age fight version of those Traditions that would have been squashed by Christianity especially and so I think there’s work to be done there and as much as possible Retreat retrieving reconstructing are reconnecting with our own ancestral Traditions which I’m sure you know had their own knowledge wisdom around how to how to raise healthy harmonious individuals with healthy sexualities from from the vantage point of how what little I do know has been has been done in indigenous cultures and without wanting to appropriate for them from them I’ll just give way of examples out of that you know in and certain cultures that are studied like the Mayan culture and I think to some degree on certain places within Creek culture there’s examples of how as societies you know that the children are raised from an early age 2 reach a point where they understand how to how to harmonize with the other sex and how to to look after each other and that’s just a very basic principle that I feel like you know that’s that’s worth kind of learning how to integrate into our family structures if we have children that were raising just to keep in mind that you know there is a need for them to learn skills around things like consent and around being responsible with with one’s sexual energies and and I needs to start before they reach that age of adolescence where they’re just harder to connect with if you haven’t built up that Foundation so that’s something that I think about will do you so if I if if we check out that the organization that you mention is it would that be good place to find and something like a more enlightened or more conscious like sexual education curriculum or guidebook do you know if people were working on something like that so if I know if you know parents who were going through the puberty of their child that they have something that’s not just this cold clinical Western and even though that sort of evolving a little bit you know with things like a sack didn’t and whatnot I see a lot but the The ancestral wisdom and you know the ceremonial Rites of Passage you know how does it how does the Modern Family say okay well you’re about to start feeling you know hormonal Energy’s how do we give you know create even if it’s just within their family or their Community yoga or whatever is something more than what’s being offered in the normal sex ed or what they’re listening in gangster rap music and watching on sitcoms obviously you know it’s enough for lack of lot of alternative options it’s one one place to look and we’re always looking for others so whenever we discover something then we will see to auditory resources and we are trying to vet those resources and those organizations to make sure that they really are you know at least there’s some some level of you know safe recommendation that we can give for those those organizations we’re not we’re not in the position to really kind of completely you know set standards but we are trying to we have a code of what we call it a cross-cultural protocol so we do look at that aspect that you have for what we’re talking about that’s you know if that’s another layer that we will hopefully get to eventually and I do know that there are people within our Network who are really strongly focused on this particularly around girls to women kind of education and and Rites of Passage and some of the Boys to Men once but I think it’s also something we need to to enhance as well oh that’s great yeah that’s that’s that’s what I wanted to hear so that I can just refer people to this ongoing and so and then the LSI is kind of its there’s a Facebook I’ve been interacting with the the Facebook group for a while so is that something you recommend people plug-in I mean that’s the goal of that is to feature blogs and generate discussions from those blogs and also to establish a resource of services as well as information and so that’s you know running on in a very limited volunteer capacity and so you know it’s something that I hope will eventually become a very powerful resource but already it’s you know it’s been feedback that I’ve received that you know even just the the group that we have on Facebook somebody posted recently. You know it’s really help them in their in their path which is nice to hear and I’ve heard that a few times and I try to curate that group in such a way where it’s like you know it’s trying to generate discussion and it’s it’s trying to be a safe space where where people can get into some of those I’m intimate revealing is of what what’s going on in their lives one of the things that kind of came out of love sex intelligence local as a connection with Tamara and the love school that they have which is a very congruence philosophy to love sex intelligence and they’re their work to try to create or with to create safe spaces for people to to share stories of what’s going on in their intimate lover sexual lives and and B witnessed in a way that is non-judgemental where they’re not being flooded with advice but more just being witnessed which is kind of connected to that whole framework for Rites of Passage itm witnessing each other and so it’s it’s trying to also look at how you know communities can succeed in their in their goals which might include you know like being more sustainable or being an alternative to the systems around us and also being a part of a more peaceful kind of culture through filling this hole that is often where things go wrong where people are are are not feeling safe to talk about these these human experiences around wounding around are our hearts and our sexuality so I’ve been part of a Practice Group here that has been circulating also to other parts of BC and I think it’s a really it’s a really powerful movement to be a part of yeah we’re getting close to an hour or so I have to take a few more minutes and I’m get a couple thoughts and feelings some responsible for 1 something that his is coming up for me that I think it’s really empowering is this like idea that wouldn’t it be nice if some of us started to think of ourselves as aspiring Elders I’ve never thought of it that way until this conversation and there’s a little spark of joy and me that that says you know puts in context the the punk rock lifestyle that I had of live fast Die Young and just you know if it’s not throwing yourself into the meat grinder of insurrectionary activism you know with this sort of Death Wish you know this martyr complex or whatever it’s like those are really unsustainable archetypes to follow and they leave a lot of people when they get to my age in about 35 like in a sort of existential crisis that will the revolution didn’t happen and I didn’t get killed I didn’t die in the gutter you know I mean what am I going to do now and it’s like well maybe it’s time to become an aspiring Elder and you know clean up your act and and then start to think about how you’re going to make it easier cuz I there’s a lot of things that I had to go through that I would seriously love to have no one else ever have to go through and if you know if we can live in that. you know that is what you’re supposed to think that I think of you say you know you can you can learn from the wisdom of Elders who have gone through and made the mistakes that you’re probably going to go through or you can just be hard-headed and learn all your lessons the hard way but I mean we’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons in the absence of the eldership but I think if we take on that there’s a yeah me too. It seems obvious but really the way you put it his medicine for me to think you know it’s a dignified path to be an aspiring Elder and then it makes you not be so how do I can help you defeat that that that grinding pressure that oh my I’m going to lose my looks and I’m going to lose my energy and I’m going to be in the state of deprecation towards death and that’s very much the greatest fear of the western manicured Uno photoshopped airbrushed identity like you’re not really giving any hope that aging will be of any benefit in here just marginalized further and further so I thank you for that serve very much still give that time sacred eldership dignity not a light title to hold I think the true Elder wouldn’t really feel comfortable in it cuz it’s defining attributes of an elder that is really one that can help that role be the best it can be is one that is is really accountable is really present isn’t so on the move that if you can’t you know be relied upon to be there for the people that it serves now needs to ideally be in the in the fellowship of other Elders to kind of keep it in in in check in a way like we have to watch for the Cole group kind of phenomenon where people you know place a lot of weight on that person and in a way that can privilege them in certain ways and also lead to potential like power distortions and things like that you know it’s it’s only human that people will make mistakes and so having that kind of accountability of other people and also that time yeah you have people heart or a different there’s always like in every phase of life with the lifecycle there’s there’s like the maturing phases and so there’s like you know there’s a baby elder there’s enough adult Elder and then Senior Elder and so it’s just we have to learn at each stage of Life how to become the mature version of what that stage is and says just something to think about as well and it’s good to to get your feet wet early on in life so that you know we can have deep roots and and the and those are the kinds of people to like in the Tamara situation out of the black community they have a circle of Elders who are basically people who have grown with a community enough that they know the people in their community and then they serve a role as potential kind of like the Matchmaker but you know in a way where people can approach them in and ask them like you know I’m interested in this person and they can help you assess whether this is the right time or what is a good or bad idea and you know they can kind of that. Whole courtship in a way that you know really I think I wish there were more of those people around here don’t you let me relax you know learn the hard way what does that we’re just not compatible certain people in The Matrix the I mean yeah I’m not I’m not a political scientist of the Matrix but I will say that what got me peaked on the ecstatic trance dance group ritual ceremony festival thing was it really when I saw I think it was maybe the second movie or maybe it was the second or the third but there was a scene where they’re just getting down to like Juno Reactor I think was a soundtrack of a butt there is something beautiful about seeing the different the warrior culture Guided by elders and of course there’s different the archetypes playing out in Conflict split that to me was took it further than then the Star Trek Federation is a futuristic Elder guided Council guided kind of reality so that was kind of fun but yeah so that’s what came to mind when you’re at we’re talking about that be so cool if you’re early sexual oracle’s who you go to you know if we’re going to give you insights and maybe even have name your child for you or something cool like that you know be so cool but right on then will I worry about at the hours so do you have any closing touch you want to share or any other resources or should we just I’ll post the the links that you mention and I’ll definitely encourage people to stay informed and keep an eye out for your anything coming up you have any appearances or anything exciting like that coming up you want to mention I think yeah I think I covered a lot of it and I just wanted to maybe plant a seed while I have the airwaves here about something that I’d I’d eventually like to work on presenting which is around insert Intercultural relationships and also decolonizing our relationships as well and just thinking about how how we can heal some of these ancestral traumas and use that has as as a means to strengthen our relationships and also our society right on I’ll be looking forward to everything that you’re you’re expressing in the world and I hopefully yeah maybe sometime in the future we can talk about skill sets for Beyond Christian monogamy that would be a great topic so yeah how would you feel about that maybe we can sometime in the next few months follow up with something like that. Maybe by the by the time I’ll have more of a personal lived experience to a base conversation around that I think you know in terms of people who are already I don’t know how many listeners here are on a Christian spiritual path without that many but if the energy and gnosticism and sacred marriage not going to the alchemical top in the in the Gnostic tradition but I I wouldn’t make any claims to be an expert in that area but it’s definitely something to look at cool alright then we will be in touch and will follow up sometime in the future and thank you so much so be I really enjoyed it and I know it’s taking us a while to get this to get this done but I think it was perfect and I couldn’t ask for anything more so you have a wonderful day. 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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear Beloved School, Township Punk podcast episode number 27 this is a split release podcast with Tom Denney of esoteric Origins podcast and we talked all about astral ecology hope you enjoyed Namaste alright well this is esoteric Origins and I am Tom Denny and I am accompanied by my wonderful gas today then Axiom then welcome to my podcast thank you very much and I’m to both now there’s a very specific reason why you wanted to come over today and talk to me because you have a very big and important story to tell but let me just my perspective on you as being when I first moved out to LA as we were just discussing it’s been about a decade now I’m about to mm and I met here and we were just figuring out that like in fact it was the Myspace days and it must have been within the first week of me moving here because I had to go to my roommate and use his computer to log on the Myspace and that’s when you messaged me and invited me out to the Troubadour and that was the first time I’ve been to the Troubadour and and got introduced to the LA grindcore Punk scene and from there you are also doing punk rock gardening in Long Beach and you also invited me down there and it was all totally new to me at that time the LA Punk experience is a lot different than Chicago I think it is deeper and more intrinsic and out here on the West Coast I find the punks are a lot more conscientious about recycling planting trees and especially right conscious music and I felt like at the time you were at the Forefront of that because you are actually leading a youth organization in Long Beach that was focused on Recycling and on planting organic foods in on teaching the kids how to garden and I thought that was really awesome so initially even before then that was your in that band they were Native Americans in the songs were about Native rights in such a resistant culture but before that you have gained a level of infamy with Nexium what what’s the history of Axiom because I hadn’t heard from other people that you know it’s weird artistic ramblings of pictures of you all distorted in black and white with with dreads and patches holding dreads where all that came from 14-15 year was that yeah put out a few albums did a bit of touring and headed to a kind of ill fated tragic break up over it’s a long story I’ll spare the details but just some samba Trail happen that was only unforgivable or unexcusable and we had to we had to sweat right and we recorded a full-length album we had to sweet had this put up around that time so we had to read it to we had to let her vocalist go but we recorded it a whole album worth of instruments and it’s finally coming out now so there’s like a fifteen-year-old varied album that we finally got some vocals on it’s about to be released now it seems easier than back then to find this because it’s on YouTube and it’s actually really great crossed music so what was your mindset back then when you were recording and running around and how did you make the journey from that kid to where you are now it was cool cuz a lot of us were heavily involved in local Progressive activist causes and movements and stuff so we’re trying to use it as a tool to raise Consciousness and get punks out the protest involved in DIY projects and stuff so babies in your life so I feel like we were we were running that energy of extreme Utopia and idealism and patching and fire for change and you know as you kind of throw yourself against the system and usually get chewed up and spit out you know after a while and it’s easy for people to burn out and get real nihilistic and just get really over drug downloader you know drinking you know constantly just to numb the pain cuz once you get disillusioned it’s kind of like in The Matrix you know you sometimes you want to go back to ignorance but you can’t hear you sort of twist on so now I feel like I’ve kind of found a more spiritual path of resistance and I feel like there’s more leverage on on the invisible dimensions of reality than there are in the visible Dimensions that are highly controlled by you know different forms of authoritarian systems in agencies and whatnot so I kind of felt after a number of years of fighting on the surface of reality and having a beer a futile because of a mechanical advantage of force on the physical plane that that that the the owners you know the story of the power elite and all of their all of their henchmen you know all of that Empire all the structures of Empire I really impermeable you know toe-to-toe but more malleable astral dimensions of reality there’s a lot more and bigger and more powerful spiritual allies that letter I think starting to come to this planet more and more to help dislodge the disinfection demonic infection that is represented in building empires of male ego that the physical dimension of the people who are in charge of that Empire that you’re talking about the system that it’s in place they’re actually doing rituals themselves and even on the most simplistic like the local law enforcement who are Freemasons where the locals there in the base doing rituals and stumbling entities and looking into the ancient books summoning demons essentially they look up to Solomon and Solomon was renowned for being a necromancer in in in a demon Summoner and that was how the Temple of Israel was supposedly built by enslaved entities on this other leveling and wouldn’t you say that that is the symbol of the pyramid at the eye in the pyramid that there using on everything I personally am try to think like an anthropologist about about all the stuff in the sensitive of them there’s try to keeping an open-ended perspective on things and in so I’m just kind of dancing around committing to be on the same as a fact I try to speak in more inquisitive terms about about these more esoteric subjects you know someone asked me do I what do I think about or do I believe in this or that specific sort of conclusion about about symbols and stuff I’m going to say that as far as I’m concerned if you’re not psychedelic goddess worship and then there’s everything else that isn’t that is mostly Empire because shamanic cultures that honor the Earth and that use Sacramento to be connected to that the consciousness of the planet the feminine life-giving Consciousness the planet whether they ingesting the sacraments or their entering Altered States by some other means they’re essentially protecting and safeguarding their cultures and their there they’re their minds and there he goes from that looming threat of sort of hyper-masculine greedy territorial violent aggressive manipulative Empire Building impulse and so whatever it is if it’s not second of a goddess worship I don’t want anything to do with it that’s interesting as to why you you gravitate towards my art my art that first approached me and in fact one of the pieces that you were talking about was and I didn’t really happen to like that term psychedelic got us to all I knew was that I wanted to draw a very beautiful women surrounded by like centipedes and and fighting off what look like mosquito larvae and stuff like that new is all very I’m not sure where it came from other than to say my own psychedelic like I’ve maybe John deep psychedelics maybe a dozen to 20 times ever but I can’t ever say that like a face-to-face with any of these entities that I’m drawing and I’m not really sure where they’re coming from but you seem to see something totally deeper and I want you to tell me what what it is that you see when we’re talking about this story of your artwork and I feel like what you are transmitting troops from your third eye perspective in natural ability to be an antenna for this some sort of multidimensional perspective on what’s actually happening what was totally invisible to most non artist in non psychedelic explorers are Psychonauts the second is the Psychonauts who maybe don’t have the artistic ability to convey that through drying and then it’s the artist who are the Visionary artists whether whether they’re consuming sacraments or not with the ability to download and and sort of Sharon demonstrate what what the true what I mean I want to use the word Astro ecology and if we if we know as much about Astro Astro ecology as we do about the first lead you know the logical by lighter biological to call on this playing notes of the reality of the Earth then we’re going to make wiser decisions about that you’re helping to bring forth so I just want to thank you for that and I feel like we’re on almost a completely parallel journey of Discovery because every time I have a new psychedelic Revolution I look at your website and you’d like to pick did it already today I was sharing your heart with someone that’s what I just experienced enough and I see for me it’s all just coming from the imagination however a lot of the stuff I do I do really late like right before bed I have an exercise where and when I’m so exhausted I’m ready to hit the pillow I think if I just draw at least two things and then the next morning I’m like these things and it’s a great way to get cool imagery and so for me it’s all just like stuff that’s coming do you know I don’t know where I’m just so I don’t mind it being that kind of Channel the astral realm is that place that you go to when you’re dreaming or is it starting to be okay and okay so I’m trying to articulate what what I believe is a lot of problems with people in their psychosis is actually a parasitic thought beans and I guess a lot of this comes from my research into Hindu philosophy where they talk about these entities that would descend upon people who are sad or depressed and not the whole idea that these entities are feeding off of negative energy and they’re feeding off of sadness the feeding off of anger and they’re feeding off of depression I find completely terrifying more terrifying then inverting a Christian cross as far as like if you want to create some really like cuz I know I grew up on heavy metal and like you know Tron you know what’s even more intense is showing someone that’s actually possessed of these entities who are just an end like any parasite it will feed the I need for that food source and if it’s a spot form and you’re possessed with one of these entities it’s going to feed you negative thoughts that keep you in that state of depression vs. humans have this ability to choose their state of mind and choose how they feel about things and I think a lot of the battle against depression which I feel depression is more of an enemy to modern humans then anyone wants to admit discuss or even approach and I think that a lot of work can be done by purging yourself of these you know and you can call it will it’s just a negative thought for more you could say well it’s in a strobing or you can say you know pull yourself up by your bootstraps and just stop choosing to be sad or stop letting. affect you and once I started messing around with those ideas examples of people who kept coming into my life to show me like Lamas this person if anyone is suffering from this idea it’s clearly this person who like lashes out and will manipulate or you know any of variety of ways in and who idea that there is energy vampirism that that’s exactly what’s happening and you can even feel it when you say on something’s come over me and you just get laid in with this depression that you can even like why am I depressed the sun is out so you know there’s it’s almost intangible and I find myself into battle with that often enough in and so that way I kind of work it out through my artwork and but to hear you validated and say that this is a vision into a real place in and real things that are going on is kind of mind-blowing even from me well you have it depicted on the same vibration of of bringing in the understanding of what’s going on. It’s not a Time it’s not just imagination cartoon mythology you know it’s safe to reality and in my personal experience you know what’s right I’ll try I’ll try to be careful not to make any projections or extrapolate me on my personal experience but it’s me to do the research to try to understand it and to look at different modern scientific and ancient shamanic and esoteric epistemology is really to understand that this is an actual unexplored science is afraid it’s completely afraid of the implications of the can of worms the Pandora’s box of acknowledge say hello world it’s the idea that you can torture animals and have them scream and that be like machines I mean if the death of nature than the removal of spirit from nature is what does Justified the mechanical industrial insulation of all forms of life so to have to be held accountable to St Ann’s on a non-viable level of awareness of this this reality and 54 especially in the way Karma works I mean yeah after I mean the revolution will be a psychedelic Revolution will reveal the reality that what the what do you know the concept of Karma are psyched if you believe that this system is is actually at Play What Goes Around Comes Around you know if she if you if you believe that hopefully you’ll the way you act towards life on Earth and other people on yourself but if you don’t believe that for The Butchers butcher shop they say it’s it gets easier as you go on like the first couple kills might be difficult but eventually you get used to it so you think maybe as someone is doing that do you know torturing animals for the a lot of people benefit from the proteins but the way they do it is actually horrific and the point being that if your continuously doing that do you think it weakens your aura so that entities that feed off of your perversion of this life cycle feed off of that I have observed I’ll try to, and then I’ll see if you want to have a sequential just hang out in staxel events that have given this herd of life change direction in life I’ll say yes absolutely hell growing off of each one of our Energy Systems than you can measure it’s it’s it’s it’s what I am we think of ourselves in the modern scientific medical Anatomy through production in view of the scope of our beings we just be ourselves is like one person walk around if I didn’t if I didn’t you know axe murder somebody today then I’m you know doing all right or whatever but really if you’re sitting all day resenting someone or being jealous of someone or hating someone or stalking someone or whatever you’re doing the waters and you’re going to draw more of the dark entities into your energy field because of what your emanating or what you’re exerting into the invisible space of the astral plane where you can see the Laurel at the lower astral plane why exactly if you do if you’re chronically unconsciously being depressed or being in any way in our thinking harmful or vaping harmful you know there’s a thought do you even and an action in speech you know it’s serious speech and thought and action those of your dimensions of influence of things and energies around you so taking responsibility for those levels and that’s what most of the mystical Traditions are about purifying that so that you can be more of a net producer of positive light energy that’s going to disinfect and create safety and protection around you and your family and your loved ones in the community and you should be practicing law to instead of helping feelings thoughts are are are very important in the waters that were dwelling in that we don’t even realize that we were going through swamps where is like in the real life you know that you shouldn’t go through a swamp because there’s leeches mosquitoes ticks and alligators and for all types of things that you know like to feed off of your your blood and which is Your Life Source but what we would be horrified to take an account is that we’re walking in that daily with unseen elements that are looking to break into our Oreck egg and feed of off of our Essence not just blood related but energy what should Life Source which might even be more important Ray or more expensive than you know if your mind is covered with sores that are infected you know the density of the ecology around what you’re bleeding out and the infection of those psychics or is basically creating a whole you know he’s walking around with like a planet as hell that they are responsible for giving life to its parasitically jacked into and like you said the thought-form entities their jacked into the nervous system and they’re like spammers are hackers and they can give you impulses they can give you 4 version so you can run you and manipulate you and I’ll be the ultimate form of possession is to be completely hollowed out and completely blacked out and to be just a vessel of the the Ellis will that you can imagine and there’s plenty of that stuff opening more rapidly now in the modern society where people are just so completely deformed and fractured that there’s really nothing of of of a of a moral fiber less than amount you say wall that person Solace and you almost say it jokingly like you would have bought a a terrible boss or a teacher or an IRS agent you like, totally soulless so what you’re suggesting is that the human body is just like a computer that can get installed with spyware and and and viruses that are spamming information or allowing outside sources into your home computer which everyone can understand but you’re suggesting that our minds work this way to support their money’s worth honor the directions you call in the ancestors you call in your allies and you create sacred and safe spaces for ritual healing you know that’s really yeah there’s there’s two to turn your back on a spirit world is is really not to your peril mean that’s what the modern world is all. Just ignore the karmic consequences of endless consumption of endless pollution of endless ego gratification and sense gratification that is like out of balance with spiritual practice and charity and giving and generosity the virtues of compassion and when you watch TV it seems like you know the the the people who are making commercials in horror profiting would profit even more from you keeping shut down like that and just vying the next cheeseburger and throwing away your old phone and getting a new one and and staying in this and it seems beneficial to to these hackers you know firewall worms Steven kallman worms in the computer tech world so it seems like we’re walking through this you know where everything is the trying to keep you shut down and and use it as a simple vessel just to shut off your individuality in your creativity what is like you know a lot of what television is is getting you to shut down your imagination and like let me tell you a story don’t think you know MN so many people are obsessed with this while I can’t wait to go home and watch my shows so my programming and so that they don’t have to think and they don’t have to use their own imagination and I think when you are tapping into your imagination which I’ve had the benefit of doing creating a career out of it so that I’m constantly in order to pay my bills I’m dipping into these deep creative Realms which brings me to the same conclusion that you’re talking about it’s all in the movie they lose the sci-fi film from the 80s where they replace those glasses if they use as a metaphor for what I call what I would call like activating the pineal gland you’re able to see is the true degree to which an individual has been invested and whether or not like if you if you consider the analogy of those glasses and they lived to actually be the Psychedelic experience or the use of psilocybin mushrooms for example to activate the third eye that gives you that Periscope you’re physically a periscope into the astral plane and it has been systematically sort of through conditioning through just even the process of being told that your imaginary friends aren’t real or whatever the things that just closed down the exits to the imaginal realm as adults living Mars Society were so big so rigid and so closed off that we don’t use it or you lose it basically use it or lose it so that’s a few tanglez land in the third eye perspective which is you know that every do with the Red Dot on their forehead that’s remember I mean I’m going to be cautious how I speak about a religion that’s not a mistake and what they described as species of demons to fight back and protect you no Humanity in the earth and the beauty of creation you know by the gods and goddesses are airplanes you know they’re observing this sick infection of the planet and the scriptures Psychonauts who word performing you know sexual yoga and an ascending through their nervous systems and through their their chakra systems in working with the Kundalini as it as a medical force it snows it’s no coincidence that the symbol TC on ambulances and rising up real medicine real medicine taking a revolutionary and activist approach to the situation very much like borrowing from the geology of radical leftist critique of industrial capitalism and the spiritual ecology or the Astro ecology where they’re looking at like enter dimensionality in MN under meetings that were kind of demonstrators are depicted as like a similar to these occult Lodge meetings what’s a exploitation of humans and I find priest he couldn’t see the real world but he could see them standing that were talking about now and when did that shift happen and yeah what’s that whole story painful but I spent a lot of time practicing this so I’m going to I’m going to stay where I can speak very clinically about it so you don’t please don’t worry about my you no sense of personal disclosure and I feel like the my allies in the spirit world has have prepared me to to put this stuff on record note 4 for this way really for the first time that we set it up and establish this this discourse very well already so they do this this could now start to make sense to people and I will make this is this is how I arrived there personally and because you’re the artist of my dreams you know who I would want to manifest the ability for you to be able to depict these these pivotal experiences in my life so that other people can avoid the pitfalls you know this is like you know I had to I had to send into the hotel rooms in N Go in shamanic journeys to to pull back in to come back with the understanding so you know it is his fault but it’s not in vain and and I feel like it needs to be told and depicted to prevent future misadventure into the dark Realms you know that’s that’s what that’s what my goal is by sharing this so I’m just going to really not put a lot of analysis into it and not really put a lot of it’s like I’m higher level thinking into it and just try to stick to the facts and the actual depiction of the scenarios as as they happen and then we can you can kind of ask me more more higher-level thought questions about it later so I’m so here’s the first scene let’s say that to pull it together I’m 13 years old I’m a street on living on a skateboard addicted to intravenous methamphetamine and my brothers have peer pressured me to start turning tricks to get drug money for a little Street try and Brotherhood and you know I hit it. I did not know what I was getting into I had no spiritual consciousness or training I was letting you know I had some interest in psychedelic Shamanism and I was actually not wanting to get swallowed into into the hell Realms I was seeking the mushroom there that the acid pod do the Psychedelic shamanism let me say this experience of the spirit world that you would get from Amor Amor maybe not asking but at least a plant-based hallucinogens as what should I take to relieve tension being on the street was too exposed to get away from the last key home look like that I hadn’t to find tribe and I found punk rock and so I found you know family in that where I didn’t have it at home and also started to break down the Illusions and of the American dream and start to develop a radical Consciousness but also had the desire to to explore the spirit world and to find the source and to find the ancestors into feel the Beauty and the and the love that is one of the Allies in the spirit world that will not heal Austin want to give us you know infinite love and power to to heal the planet so that was my intention was to go there but it was derailed and sucked into the Dark Realm of meth prostitution prostitution in San Francisco as a thirteen-year-old because of being screwed into what was the dominant drug on the street you know they are punks they were Agro they were violent you know and and it wasn’t just the booze you know whose it was and it was a real misadventure that I strongly discourage anyone from Filipino from continuing or starting on the path of using those drugs and and here’s why and then this is where we get into like something that would you know pop out of one of your paintings and I don’t think you know this is this is this it it’s it’s painful and grotesque but it is part of what we have to own about what’s happening on the earth and it affects all sex workers and all you know models and anyone who’s being used it a piece of me for sexual gratification by anybody you know if so so here’s the the nuts and bolts my soul was shattered after ordering multiple days and maybe weeks of basically being brainwashed in in and raped by demons you know inside and out to being drugged unconscious and basically made you know into a sort of Satanic ritual abuse object of of extreme these were just John to or picking you up picking up a 13 year old boy in San Francisco Giants and some of them were very like just sort of nerdy guys who probably didn’t get laid in high school and now they’ve sort of falling into a trap of this and this sum you know Darkside activity but they weren’t dark Lords of the Underworld who were the you know manipulating children on the street to be in there Cults and do whatever for them right they were just like normal professional people who had this dark side Shadow nightlife that they would go down in an indulgent but what I’m talking about in this scene let’s say is you know very intentional very highly demonic sort of high-ranking demonic infested possessed men who were like actually intelligently using black magic sorcery to to to rip open you know young and I was a virgin at the time so you know my soul was shattered before I even had made love to a woman when should have been my preference from an astro perspective of being lap for Days Inn in sort of melting in to the other side that these demonic possessed men were actually not just having their way with me you know sexually for their own sort of getting off purposes but they’re possessing demonic entities were actually open the chakras protected web and and their larvae into my energy. And this was the act of infestation you know of my energy system and is almost as a form of like black sex Magik surgery of them Plantation and am I saw translucent spiders come down from the walls and I do know then I was blacked out and I don’t even know you know now really what what else mechanically was actually done but that’s just one situation either had I have been sexually abused and other contexts even earlier in life and and how many of us have had to and so there is a movement around Rites of Passage I sit on the board if you passageways which is a network that focus is squarely on you no Rites of Passage for you coming of age from all different walks and and and modalities you know some of them are our Boys to Men oriented some of them are girls to women some of them are starting to incorporate non gender binary kind of approaches as well which is good and and this whole focus on bringing back the ancestors into looking at Rites of Passage is is starting to happen and something that I focused on and so that’s that’s a resource you know people can go to youth passageways. Oregon and look at what programs are out there and they can also think about how they can add to that list and bring in things that are needed around especially around sexuality and relationship which is often I noticed kind of a big gap in a lot of programs out there you know because they’re confined confined or constrained by the conservative values where they take place and you know what school system is you know this is one of those places lagging for that kind of thing so it’s a role that I think that many people who understand the need can step into and cultivate as career paths you know and some people are pig figuring out how they can weave their credentials says on Sexual Health Educators or sexual therapist or sexual trauma or no trauma-based therapists you know into this realm of initiation and that’s that needs to happen on a on an increased level the other I see a lot of because of what I was saying around looks really don’t how many Avenues to learn other than through you know what the books in the workshops and offerings around sexuality thoughts unfortunately are not rooted in in people’s only need two lineages generally speaking you know so the whole Tantra movement is pretty much so you know a cultural appropriator of New Age fight version of those Traditions that would have been squashed by Christianity especially and so I think there’s work to be done there and as much as possible Retreat retrieving reconstructing are reconnecting with our own ancestral Traditions which I’m sure you know had their own knowledge wisdom around how to how to raise healthy harmonious individuals with healthy sexualities from from the vantage point of how what little I do know has been has been done in indigenous cultures and without wanting to appropriate for them from them I’ll just give way of examples out of that you know in and certain cultures that are studied like the Mayan culture and I think to some degree on certain places within Creek culture there’s examples of how as societies you know that the children are raised from an early age 2 reach a point where they understand how to how to harmonize with the other sex and how to to look after each other and that’s just a very basic principle that I feel like you know that’s that’s worth kind of learning how to integrate into our family structures if we have children that were raising just to keep in mind that you know there is a need for them to learn skills around things like consent and around being responsible with with one’s sexual energies and and I needs to start before they reach that age of adolescence where they’re just harder to connect with if you haven’t built up that Foundation so that’s something that I think about will do you so if I if if we check out that the organization that you mention is it would that be good place to find and something like a more enlightened or more conscious like sexual education curriculum or guidebook do you know if people were working on something like that so if I know if you know parents who were going through the puberty of their child that they have something that’s not just this cold clinical Western and even though that sort of evolving a little bit you know with things like a sack didn’t and whatnot I see a lot but the The ancestral wisdom and you know the ceremonial Rites of Passage you know how does it how does the Modern Family say okay well you’re about to start feeling you know hormonal Energy’s how do we give you know create even if it’s just within their family or their Community yoga or whatever is something more than what’s being offered in the normal sex ed or what they’re listening in gangster rap music and watching on sitcoms obviously you know it’s enough for lack of lot of alternative options it’s one one place to look and we’re always looking for others so whenever we discover something then we will see to auditory resources and we are trying to vet those resources and those organizations to make sure that they really are you know at least there’s some some level of you know safe recommendation that we can give for those those organizations we’re not we’re not in the position to really kind of completely you know set standards but we are trying to we have a code of what we call it a cross-cultural protocol so we do look at that aspect that you have for what we’re talking about that’s you know if that’s another layer that we will hopefully get to eventually and I do know that there are people within our Network who are really strongly focused on this particularly around girls to women kind of education and and Rites of Passage and some of the Boys to Men once but I think it’s also something we need to to enhance as well oh that’s great yeah that’s that’s that’s what I wanted to hear so that I can just refer people to this ongoing and so and then the LSI is kind of its there’s a Facebook I’ve been interacting with the the Facebook group for a while so is that something you recommend people plug-in I mean that’s the goal of that is to feature blogs and generate discussions from those blogs and also to establish a resource of services as well as information and so that’s you know running on in a very limited volunteer capacity and so you know it’s something that I hope will eventually become a very powerful resource but already it’s you know it’s been feedback that I’ve received that you know even just the the group that we have on Facebook somebody posted recently. You know it’s really help them in their in their path which is nice to hear and I’ve heard that a few times and I try to curate that group in such a way where it’s like you know it’s trying to generate discussion and it’s it’s trying to be a safe space where where people can get into some of those I’m intimate revealing is of what what’s going on in their lives one of the things that kind of came out of love sex intelligence local as a connection with Tamara and the love school that they have which is a very congruence philosophy to love sex intelligence and they’re their work to try to create or with to create safe spaces for people to to share stories of what’s going on in their intimate lover sexual lives and and B witnessed in a way that is non-judgemental where they’re not being flooded with advice but more just being witnessed which is kind of connected to that whole framework for Rites of Passage itm witnessing each other and so it’s it’s trying to also look at how you know communities can succeed in their in their goals which might include you know like being more sustainable or being an alternative to the systems around us and also being a part of a more peaceful kind of culture through filling this hole that is often where things go wrong where people are are are not feeling safe to talk about these these human experiences around wounding around are our hearts and our sexuality so I’ve been part of a Practice Group here that has been circulating also to other parts of BC and I think it’s a really it’s a really powerful movement to be a part of yeah we’re getting close to an hour or so I have to take a few more minutes and I’m get a couple thoughts and feelings some responsible for 1 something that his is coming up for me that I think it’s really empowering is this like idea that wouldn’t it be nice if some of us started to think of ourselves as aspiring Elders I’ve never thought of it that way until this conversation and there’s a little spark of joy and me that that says you know puts in context the the punk rock lifestyle that I had of live fast Die Young and just you know if it’s not throwing yourself into the meat grinder of insurrectionary activism you know with this sort of Death Wish you know this martyr complex or whatever it’s like those are really unsustainable archetypes to follow and they leave a lot of people when they get to my age in about 35 like in a sort of existential crisis that will the revolution didn’t happen and I didn’t get killed I didn’t die in the gutter you know I mean what am I going to do now and it’s like well maybe it’s time to become an aspiring Elder and you know clean up your act and and then start to think about how you’re going to make it easier cuz I there’s a lot of things that I had to go through that I would seriously love to have no one else ever have to go through and if you know if we can live in that. you know that is what you’re supposed to think that I think of you say you know you can you can learn from the wisdom of Elders who have gone through and made the mistakes that you’re probably going to go through or you can just be hard-headed and learn all your lessons the hard way but I mean we’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons in the absence of the eldership but I think if we take on that there’s a yeah me too. It seems obvious but really the way you put it his medicine for me to think you know it’s a dignified path to be an aspiring Elder and then it makes you not be so how do I can help you defeat that that that grinding pressure that oh my I’m going to lose my looks and I’m going to lose my energy and I’m going to be in the state of deprecation towards death and that’s very much the greatest fear of the western manicured Uno photoshopped airbrushed identity like you’re not really giving any hope that aging will be of any benefit in here just marginalized further and further so I thank you for that serve very much still give that time sacred eldership dignity not a light title to hold I think the true Elder wouldn’t really feel comfortable in it cuz it’s defining attributes of an elder that is really one that can help that role be the best it can be is one that is is really accountable is really present isn’t so on the move that if you can’t you know be relied upon to be there for the people that it serves now needs to ideally be in the in the fellowship of other Elders to kind of keep it in in in check in a way like we have to watch for the Cole group kind of phenomenon where people you know place a lot of weight on that person and in a way that can privilege them in certain ways and also lead to potential like power distortions and things like that you know it’s it’s only human that people will make mistakes and so having that kind of accountability of other people and also that time yeah you have people heart or a different there’s always like in every phase of life with the lifecycle there’s there’s like the maturing phases and so there’s like you know there’s a baby elder there’s enough adult Elder and then Senior Elder and so it’s just we have to learn at each stage of Life how to become the mature version of what that stage is and says just something to think about as well and it’s good to to get your feet wet early on in life so that you know we can have deep roots and and the and those are the kinds of people to like in the Tamara situation out of the black community they have a circle of Elders who are basically people who have grown with a community enough that they know the people in their community and then they serve a role as potential kind of like the Matchmaker but you know in a way where people can approach them in and ask them like you know I’m interested in this person and they can help you assess whether this is the right time or what is a good or bad idea and you know they can kind of that. Whole courtship in a way that you know really I think I wish there were more of those people around here don’t you let me relax you know learn the hard way what does that we’re just not compatible certain people in The Matrix the I mean yeah I’m not I’m not a political scientist of the Matrix but I will say that what got me peaked on the ecstatic trance dance group ritual ceremony festival thing was it really when I saw I think it was maybe the second movie or maybe it was the second or the third but there was a scene where they’re just getting down to like Juno Reactor I think was a soundtrack of a butt there is something beautiful about seeing the different the warrior culture Guided by elders and of course there’s different the archetypes playing out in Conflict split that to me was took it further than then the Star Trek Federation is a futuristic Elder guided Council guided kind of reality so that was kind of fun but yeah so that’s what came to mind when you’re at we’re talking about that be so cool if you’re early sexual oracle’s who you go to you know if we’re going to give you insights and maybe even have name your child for you or something cool like that you know be so cool but right on then will I worry about at the hours so do you have any closing touch you want to share or any other resources or should we just I’ll post the the links that you mention and I’ll definitely encourage people to stay informed and keep an eye out for your anything coming up you have any appearances or anything exciting like that coming up you want to mention I think yeah I think I covered a lot of it and I just wanted to maybe plant a seed while I have the airwaves here about something that I’d I’d eventually like to work on presenting which is around insert Intercultural relationships and also decolonizing our relationships as well and just thinking about how how we can heal some of these ancestral traumas and use that has as as a means to strengthen our relationships and also our society right on I’ll be looking forward to everything that you’re you’re expressing in the world and I hopefully yeah maybe sometime in the future we can talk about skill sets for Beyond Christian monogamy that would be a great topic so yeah how would you feel about that maybe we can sometime in the next few months follow up with something like that. Maybe by the by the time I’ll have more of a personal lived experience to a base conversation around that I think you know in terms of people who are already I don’t know how many listeners here are on a Christian spiritual path without that many but if the energy and gnosticism and sacred marriage not going to the alchemical top in the in the Gnostic tradition but I I wouldn’t make any claims to be an expert in that area but it’s definitely something to look at cool alright then we will be in touch and will follow up sometime in the future and thank you so much so be I really enjoyed it and I know it’s taking us a while to get this to get this done but I think it was perfect and I couldn’t ask for anything more so you have a wonderful day. 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This podcast is a lab report documenting an experimental Goddess Kali worship ritual conducted in January 2014. It was co-designed and advised on by clinical sexologists, tantrikas, shamans, and spirit guides to help me overcome PTSD symptoms resulting from sexual trauma in my adolescence.
Beyond my personal sexual healing, the objective was to collect data that would help build an explanatory model of the “ecology of the soul”.