In this episode I’m joined again by my favorite Tantric scholar Dr. Thomas Clough Daffern for another adventure in tantric studies. He shares a list of practical steps that the modern peace loving tantrika can take to apply theories and philosophies of ancient tantra towards holistic, sustainable, enlightened activism today.
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Dr. Thomas Clough Daffern B.A. (Hons.) PGCE. D.SC. (Hon), PhD. is a philosopher, historian, teacher, poet, author, lecturer, musician, thinker, educator, consultant and peace studies specialist. His academic background includes degrees in European and world history (with political philosophy) and religious education, plus a long period of intense personal study in philosophy, religion and the history of ideas – together with over 30 years teaching experience in the same fields. He has also trained and practised in conflict management within communities and schools, specialising in multifaith and multicultural mediation. He is also a trained and experienced teacher in secondary schools, specialising in philosophy, religious education, history and citizenship studies. He was awarded his PhD from the University of London for a thesis which explores the history of the search for peace from 1945-2001 and which proposes a new field of historiography, Transpersonal History, as the best way to establish a rigorous discourse on peace among rival and contending spiritual and intellectual traditions, currently battling for hegemony on the planet. He is an expert in research techniques and methodologies on all aspects of history, religious studies, the history of world philosophy and transpersonal psychology. He has lectured in peace studies, philosophy and religious studies for many years at the Universities of London and Oxford, and has spoken twice at the UN Headquarters about the role of Universities in changing the climate of fear and violence on the planet to one of trust and wisdom-seeking. He is a founder and coordinator of International Philosophers and Historians for Peace and has worked with philosophers and intellectuals from many countries worldwide to help establish intellectual and spiritual networks for peace and goodwill. In 1990 he was elected in Moscow as Coordinator of International Philosophers for Peace, a specialist body of philosophers worldwide searching for peace and international understanding.
He is Director of the International Institute of Peace Studies and Global Philosophy (IIPSGP) which works across many academic fields to bring together all those with an interest in and a commitment towards the study of peace and philosophy on all levels of the personal and global and to applying the qualities of love and wisdom to the resolution of the problems and tensions of today’s world. IIPSGP arose out of a feasibility study which Thomas undertook for the University of London into the proposed establishment of an Institute of Peace Studies (from 1989-1992). IIPSGP now operates as an autonomous Institute with members scattered worldwide. Thomas is also Founder of The Global Green University, which has arisen from the work of IIPSGP and was launched in 2000 as a pilot project in complementary higher education, to bring into being a new global higher education initiative which can provide space for the deeper kind of learning which we believe is needed at this time of critical transition in the history of planet earth.
Thomas has developed long term educational programmes to widen understanding of the causes of conflict and approaches to peace and to assist social and cultural development. He has also created, (in association with the Gandhi Foundation and the World Conference on Religion and Peace), the Multifaith and Multicultural Mediation Service. The M.M.M.S. is the first mediation service to specialise in disputes in which issues of faith and/or culture are present. He has also served as an educational adviser to numerous organisations including the UN and UNESCO. He has travelled widely in India and has visited 8 times, travelling throughout the country and meeting academics and spiritual seekers. He has extensive knowledge of Indian religious and philosophical teachings and has proposed the formation of an Indian Union Mediation Service to prevent conflicts in the entire sub-continent. He is a lay member of the Anglican Church, as well as a practicing Druid elder, Qabalist, Sufi, Yogi, Tantric and universal mystic with an extensive knowledge of all world religious and philosophical traditions. He served as educational director of the Gandhi Foundation with the late Surur Hoda, and as Secretary General of the World Conference on Religions and Peace (UK and Ireland) from 1990-1997 attending and contributing to many of its international conferences in Rome, Vienna, Sweden and Paris. As an ecumenical esotericist and universal mystic, he has also spoken at Theosophical, Anthroposophical and other esoteric organisations and networks worldwide, and helped convene the Network of Wisdom Schools at the Theosophical Society headquarters in London in 2000 for Sancta Sophia Seminary. He has spoken in Edinburgh to the Edinburgh International Festival For Middle Eastern Spirituality and Peace on several occasions, running a workshop there on the Esoteric Dimensions of Peacemaking in the Middle East, focused on his book The Qabalah Runes. He has lectured in the USA on various occasions, including at Sancta Sophia Seminary, as well as at Findhorn in Scotland and the Edinburgh and Israeli Theosophical Society.
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Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 196 I am very gleeful right now because I’m being joined Again by Thomas cloth diaper and who is the director of The International Institute for peace studies and Global philosophy of foremost Huntress collar and initiated practitioner of a vast array of spiritual paths and above all a secret of Truth and we had a wonderful time exploring in Loveland and enlightenment’s with peace and loving and alignments on the previous episode that was episode number one for sex where we get more into his background and how I discovered his work and and mainly it I’ll say that it it’s the academic overview of Tantra video on YouTube that connected me with his work and I just feel very blessed that we’ve been able to 2 s pecan the podcast before in the past and now he’s got some new sort of bundle of insights and and wisdom is going to share in the thesis of Applied Tantra what do you do next after you achieve some of the enlightenment’s that are so so sad after and so we’ll get into all that good stuff yeah we’ll just get into Seventh Son was fun stuff and just say thank you Thomas again for joining us and how are you doing bring us up to speed with you again and Tom love you think of you all the way over there in California which I think we might have mentioned last time is probably descended from the goddess Kali in California is taken from a novel that was produced in Spanish if it was in the hands of the people that when they would stopping it at 889 this place California but do you know of Us 2 taking it from India so in the lineage of the land of Kali before the day that I I like to say that I teach out of what I call the University of California so you know right well I we also got a picture to to to connect sometime it’s an important I’m here we’re living in Kali Yuga I said let’s try and make it have a happy let me just stop with my female country what do I mean by that so as I said when we were discussing this before that time that’s what I mean it’s really it’s it’s a methodology you realize that I’m just likes playing gin in a suburb of the toolbox it’s it’s it’s not exactly a technology as Morrison of operational approach to achieving Enlightenment which is there many many practices many techniques a different time for teachers and production lineages emphasize different ones but what they all agree on this is there is so much okay that’s an endpoint that’s a goal which makes them coated license in English I think we should stop to her license and license because they’re different types of Enlightenment and I started a discussion about that I’ve written a book called in license while you compare and contrast indictments from different lineages different Traditions some Enlightenment sleeve you die without a body floating up in some Buddhist fear some Enlightenment sleeve you in a whole different Heaven World off this planet I think what’s me transfer does it mean to actually here now getting that leaves you in bodhi’s what I like about 10 chicken light much as it’s not antibody it’s not leave the body lets let’s embrace the wisdom of the body lets knowledge about it and then live in like flies so the question that arises what what do we do in and let’s say we relax and we’ve tried we practice time from the faulty as we’ve had numerous consorts we’ve seen into the eye of the blah bed and we reached some kind of indictment experiences and here we are walking the streets in LA or London or Paris where do we go next so that’s what I’m starting from that’s kind of a plaid Tundra that’s what I mean by it makes sense to say all this stuff I’m resonating with can I I love to hear Let me hear the way you’re you’re putting it together and in structuring it in that makes a lot of sense is it where do you where do you go from the point of a level of self-mastery and self-discipline and then being in the body being in the in the world and also being in Irvine and Dad Bagnell path is some people would say right away one of the things about some time to realign which is he’s not a selfish alignment holding this feel self it’s it’s for the benefit of the planet Liberation whole beans so I’m a kind of mess up my on a practitioner and I believe that in what have a marriage you accumulate whatever wisdom or like money looking like for your own practice the point is to give it away and then and then in turn those people give it away and then the end will give you the way I did in the end we become a plant cancel Planet so I’m going to spray some classical economy of Enlightenment what will a planet look like after we’ve done this where you know I’m sort of thinking ten steps ahead what will it look like I’m so that’s where we coming with this this I just replied okay so I’m well as I said in the beginning I was about sixteen or so different fields where I think I would like to flag up I mean you can probably think of you’re able I didn’t soften I misses a growing it’s the beginning of a conversation between us. So let me go for my number one then the tub would work through the weekend will make it as many parts is the number one point about Tantra is the along with a few I have a spiritual Miniatures on the planet but not enough of that not many of them translation of the Goddess has a sacrosanct we talked about this I think last time I’m in in many parts of the religious world end of the goddesses being totally Rick Mausam history and you know that’s how you gonna. Stats Temple worship. See you in a bit. Talk about it and I know that long ago in European in America and pretty much every country around the world people are being burned being go to switch because they’re being put in the Flames as which is so it’s only relatively Reese play that that you can actually come out and say no hey I’m going to swear if I am not expect to be stuck in the father still quite a few countries in the world where where you will be prosecuted and princes in Saudi Arabia visit apartments for the prosecution and persecution of Witchcraft and they say there’s a team of pirates and train people that go from house to house searching for evidence of being in a which evidence can be bunny a candle in the saying and I doing yoga or something but it’s like minimal which you can be arrested with an even kill so I’m not so anyone country they’re all the countries where this is going on so say when I say tempura sauce from the facts of the coldest it’s still at you know it’s still quite a dangerous path in some parts of the world which is why I think Christ’s teaching he said be as innocent but as wise as a serpent so you one thing you should do if you reach a degree of Enlightenment Sun you’re wondering when it’s a taken to want to do is you should try and stay alive which means that you you know sometimes you have to like to see me like you have to pretend not to be in like just to kind of gun with a hug and has a tradition in in Sufism and in other Easter Traditions whether it’s okay sometimes you have to do that I’m going to have talked about that and you sometimes have to like pretend to be normal. But I I think that if you’re clever wise it’s possible to to come out with it a minute you can call yourself an artist get away with a lot of people in and west of All American European on people now I’m quite sure I hate my Pro see how you can get away with quite a bit and if you’re exempt if you say if your if your poor your crazy if you’re rich you eccentric so you’re nauseous then you can basically do anything if you’re hard as you can break you don’t have to be rich if you can get away with being accessory muscle reality, not started in the sentence in that time trick mean you’re not far from where I’m based speaking to in France some of the very first Paleolithic awesome McCabe’s I’m off the door during area in in France in at thirty thousand years ago shamanic Arts animal style fits over a tantric and so I began in what shape I mean absolutely 100% so that is where all comes from and you know it comes from this word a word that means to interconnect things are is an Indo-European roots in the word reason and ratio and other things and it means joining you try spotless hundreds of words in English with Outreach and they will have something to do with interconnectedness joining us before the the tra on the end it’s kind of embarrassing oversleep up so anyway the fact is is number one for what we’ve got to be doing as tantric practitioners in an issue signing up for women’s rights this is one of them since the first area of activism to get into their many countries in the world where women are being with you still physically and mentally I just being plugged into a new campaign against in. Child Brides you know it’s incredible that we have to do this but but they’re all countries in the world where men older man come in illegally take nine 10 11 year old girl from her parents called her his wife and set her up as a domestic slave I’m she has no education she has no right to go out the house in case I know this is a whole different tradition went where young younger women O’Connell’s of pushing the temple and worship that’s different that’s what we were talking about abusing that that that female this and then the examples of countries in the world where any displays of erotic you know love by a woman or gold young girl is it still safe and sound control today fuel Court’s holding hands street with your boyfriend that’s what I’m kissing and being in the street let’s say you’re on a park bench overlooking see your film the court kissing you both get whipped for that like you know 80 Lashes in I discovered this is true in the United Arab Emirates family charm complaint Street to India I find it incomprehensible that you know just as a small bit of affection being Shine by Kyle or woman will result in this kind of violence and I think these are things we need to campaign on my role as a philosopher is the campaign philosophically so I’m working on a country on the cool ROM if you want to turn Graco Dry Ridge, traffic or explaining that it’s it’s this whole thing has been a misunderstanding and that’s you know a lot doesn’t actually and I want that kind of treatment for women so anyway that’s my first thing is no more violence to women and allowing the coldest to flourish and come out in every single barrel I have three daughters you know I tried to be a good father a nap raising children do you have kids I don’t I have been sort of a godparent to sort of co-parent community parent I’ve decided to reproduce culturally more than biologically actually had a vasectomy when I was 28 Aster SF you ill fated miscarriages and abortions and just situations in lower lower Realms of Consciousness set younger ages and where they were bad drugs involved than bad circumstances pretty much also felt that there was something something curse it about my bloodline and mdna and sort of the neurotic Tendencies of the whole family to where I felt I was doing Humanity a service by but I’m very much in dr2 a lot of phone independent, independent mother’s now and I’m working to give them a percentage of my income and sort of distributor on a triage kind of mess Urology to where there can be a treasury for women who are mothers who were escaping from abusive relationships with their quote baby daddies and for them to have the financial means and that the physical security and emotional support mutually to where we’re flipping the script on marriage and in looking at more of a binding contracts amongst independent mothers who can who can basically interact with with the masculine and with the men in their life in the actual flow of the way men operate which is it off and they come and go and so and then that could be taken a number of contacts you can be taken literally they come and go and a community center in and out of life so that the notion of I mean this is a little bit of attention but I will say that my in a my evolution of of thinking about patriarchy and the origins of family private property in the state and all of that stuff is that we’re in the book sex at dawn and the more research coming out about just that the human things that would be considered very suspect about the way we look at we naturalized monogamy and things is just like well if women if women were in collectives where they actually owned their property and they can grow food and they can grow their medicine and they could basically reweave that witch cult sort of fabric then the men would be the men would would be more like vulnerable males where they have to really offer something of value and they have to be on their best behavior to even to to get laid in so they don’t just have this carte blanche inherited patrilineal sort of dominion that they don’t even have to like learn on a generational basis it’s just like you’re given the power to dominate until press and every every in in the every woman is exploitable at whatever level of barbarism your culture is is remaining at toot toot to get away from that you and I really feel like it’s about empowering women financially and giving them Land Titles and giving them the resources that means to like build moats around their communities in negotiate very very strategically how they want and how they allow men to have the privilege of participating in the raising of what will no longer be considered their children because it when women are allowed to have multiple sex partners then it gets really difficult to track who the the paternal line is so you have the shared paternity thing and men are just going to say well you know we have our boys Camp over here and we do what we do over here and then when we want to let go and deliver something of value you know an offering to the goddess Temple where it where n n n n n be involved in the lives of the children who are the community children then it’ll be on the terms of their mothers and that that that that that was bad it’s like a very interesting mother it sounds a bit like a Starhawk Snowville The Fifth Element but I haven’t read that at that exact stick what will California be like in a few hundred years after the nuclear war and blah blah and it’s kind of what so what was the book you mentioned some sex and sex at dawn by Christopher Ryan it’s become sort of like the best seller kind of introduction for people into the Paleolithic patterns of ancestral love 10 or maybe at least 10 years later to see first published 2010 yet. Stork origins of modern sexuality is a book doing the evolution of monogamy in humans and human mating systems angle song on the family of the origin of okay so that’s not starting interesting what you’re saying I mean I still think they might get it within that context that’s how people can come you don’t have have contracted while Michael wisdom if a c and I one on one. They might choose. With even within that context and I don’t know the whole I don’t think there’s a whole conversation which we wouldn’t have time to get into but the way the legal system reproduces a patriarchal Linea you know I made a sortie in each generation because if you you know if you try and stand up outside. System and the lower quartile quotes comes against to United States interesting what happened to rajneesh Osho when he went to Oregon and then she knows the Lord and you see that that very very famous now film series wild wild country that came out not too long ago I didn’t think about that was it was about the yeah then the hold on some Yahtzee compound in the whole Legacy of it and they interviewed people who on both sides of the conflict you know locals and health officials and I don’t know I’d like to do more research on on really the I mean you just came out of nowhere and it’s it’s such an important story to understand Ryan. and now it’s part of the Zeitgeist so now I like most people don’t even know how Township we initiated they are because they watch that and it leaves a lot of open questions as to you know who who to side with it’s not it wasn’t I guess I would say I’m going to withhold my comments on it but I would definitely say it’s like anybody who is especially because now you’re going to start hearing people talk about this on the street and People Like Us who’ve been here buried in our practices and and and studies to bridge that that sort of fun cultural Gap so yeah I think those use lure of legalism to enforce their the Loveless view of society in his property with his property is is the Madonna see that coming from and that was what was done against fractionation the end like he was legally pass a key to the house of the USA Spanaway Moving On by the brings me to my second point of the 16 which is the arising out of the facts of the cold ass is is too juicy to work for this is something that I as you know I run a peace Studies Institute am I posed at the foremast of my unite my work and I’m I’m not being inspired by lots of people in travel well America I came on a study Tour the States and not 1992 I’m actually kind of bleeding or as many of them as I could I could let me text Spence and peace studies Robertson’s Ready came to California I went to interview people apparently I’m time in La you know who was doing what I can piece studies and time I think that piece becomes Immortal GT it’s it’s if there’s one thing you could do with Patrick Enlightenment is a lie. I got pretty much into that because I was when I was graduating from the University of London I got involved with the team I think I told you maybe last time off I was young in a graduate but these were old professors and landed people that both gender has he been out this game for years trying to set up a peace Studies Institute within the University of London which is the biggest university in the English-speaking world I was given the job to bring the signal to me and Tom that’s why I came around sites what’s California interviewed everybody else still go to the tapes stuff and I got very deeply interested in in the religious side of peacemaking which led me is United to create the first mediation service that deals with interface disputes say when it’s it’s just got to be done I’m done quotes its know that we have one because the planet is still dying from a thousand wolves and people we speak but the thing that guides me in was where I was when I discovered cuz I love that emoji that the word Pax peace comes from packs in Alanton who was it called ice packs was a good ass so that is the kind of iconography off of white pieces impulsive and it was Augustus he was troll has since he was a great man he built a huge Temple and adults have two packs to go to S which he opened so I think that’s an oversea peace in every religion’s sacred it’s it’s it’s that scapy song Let’s Get piece and every single most synagogue or Temple Gurdwara Grove Druid Grove where am I and then we can go we can Elevate our discussions a difference it’s so much more sophisticated plane at the moment it’s very awkward the conversation military Simon weapons and research getting into high-tech wall making a list stuff and covet wolf fighting I don’t know if I remember when we last talked that we talked about my treaty on side by piece I don’t think so but that is very exciting to me because I’ve got to be fully evolved into cybersecurity crypto space so that please time since we lost talk time we’ve we’ve had some very weird stuff came down here in person you were with okay so we had we had a we had people in Salisbury accusing Russian Spies of trying to poison with neurological weaponized are the people called The Script out father and daughter and he went all the way up front secretary getting up in Russians were tried to kill our people men’s and ladies if you know the media holset turbo Russians it sold at Falls and the Russians to close tonight and said no it’s actually not as we think it’s you making a false flag operation say that then you can like attack Syria because of course everyone will be in at attacking Russia which is the main I live Syria so it’s all the covet operation so here I am watching movies and I’m simple taneously in conversation with Russian philosophers who I match my respect. Couple times and I’m thinking who do we trust in this kind of constant propaganda and side I drafted which way the bison and help from other colleagues around the planets including the Russians and Americans the first draft of what is called the international side of a piece and it’s it’s what I’m proposing is that the way to stop you see walls and no longer just being forthwith in a Mason soldiers firing guns that’s rather old hat there now for by people and computers station to Lowell Noble Finance hacking into a destroying each other and I stopped and there was I being fought with worms getting into labs in cyberspace so that’s a check to see what I’m saying is we need to sign a peace treaty I dropped it is I can send you a copy and always do that would be great I’ll definitely read it on the show if it’s appropriate in Neenah you might think of things I missed out what what I will say this quite interesting is that time the media Kohl’s have already picked up on this I ain’t nobody talks about a however escoffier was signed by about 10 or 20 leading intellectuals around the planet he signed it I write you and second person beside the including from Israel in America and Russia Britain and the Russian guy is quite intellectual he’s he’s probably go somewhere close to me because Peach and is always being accused of like being the worst cyber terrorists in the universe but I don’t know I spend all I know is that at the UN secretary-general opening of the UN session last September the Russian foreign minister lavrov he’s a very sophisticated guy and he said I believed it from the time she wants to propose is an international cyber peace treaty any woman’s took the words for my document and he said they would be discussing it tonight with a security Council so I was I was quite chuffed I mean if they are spying on my stuff they’ve stolen it to some effect number 17 is said to your Tantra is open source technology with the license to for people to share that you said eat when you share it and need the gift is to share with others are going to working with with peace on the tree of life is such a Santa since you want people copy that you want them to see it because because what you’re trying to give away is love say that the more that the guys around the better for all of us in the long run it’s like a bee husband is still this treaty instead I mean everything I’ll be saying from now on is peace oriented but I just want to flag out that’s the kind of number one thing that’s great a new thing I’m wishing on I’m I’m I’m I’m happy to give this one away even at eighty nights Klang you and maybe some of that book about peace magic which is the first ever attempt to create some conscious Croft kind of spell meditation tantric you know that either individuals or couples or groups canoe specifically around peace okay I mean I find it incredible that there isn’t such a book out there was such a sense of teachings and I’m really really enjoying I wanted to be ready practical kind of manual say that anyone in any city or country Forrestal grave anyone on the planet can I get this book and then do some spells do some work immediately it’s about orientation it’s about motivation it’s about how to how to transmute your own psychic energy potential to affect the Wild and I had a piece on jasonway say that I’m enjoying that it’s a new thing of a c I think you know I got this title and the Beast Druid breaking that you were upset with Drew it is simply the Gated for magician okay it’s just it’s a magician right but the magician itself is simply the term of the Magus which came from zoroastrian texts so the Magus and the Druid are exactly the same time when the Gaelic translation of the New Testament was stopping Irish it has three main guy coming to baby Jesus I on Christmas Eve and Christmas night in at the three the three sorry not no Christmas II PS2 me the three main guy that sent out with that free gifts in sense and Cole Truitt and me and the Gaelic translation of the New Testament it’s really a druid manual on how to do piece metric awesome and I just think it’s okay with you I mean why do I have to do all this stuff to sleep LOL how about to Proclaim video games these days oh well actually my first book Is is being edited right now and actually maybe one or two podcast before this one we did me and the editor did a podcast just to talk about sort of behind the scenes of the process of me writing the manuscript and him going over it in a sort of having this some just started out about four or five hundred pages of pretty much just lab reports and and I’m almost academic kind of Quasi academic journal entries and notes from a bunch of different psychedelic shamanic tantric experiences with various people places and things over over the course of my lifetime and then he was able to actually restructure it and make it into a more elegant kind of more romantic more digestible novel format sci-fi kind of Novel format so that it’s called psychedelic goddess worship ask erotic memories from the Astro Battlefield so going down before that the the goddess and in finding healing and end in learning to become you know nature nature enthusiasts and people who want to to be in service so it’s ya in the spirit then I would say this year it’s definitely a lot of fun of reconfiguration on the part of the editor see you here at him there myself Sunday I’m going to be standing piece magic to him I will just drop me off on do you will name that’s my stage name but you’ll be one of the first to know for sure that you enjoyed definitely trip yeah no no keep me posted on that I’m thinking of Ina Dennis McKenna book the Brotherhood of the screaming Abyss right turns McKenna’s brother I love his work in a similar kind of thing fascinating okay so I want to move on to the fourth thing which is it’s kind of like a bronze roof of Peace magic but it’s also I think and decide which is the whole question of sex sex you magic and add why that’s important to mortgages and how we do it and whether we do I enable the tension of the last how to get me some kind of to be subject Avenue you like in in certain circles as you begin to think it’s a hugely empowering conversation to start having as a planet at the process of the products of our parents sex Magik Which Wich in that created a specialized that enabled us to take Incarnation if you look up embodiment as a as a sexual 10 forgot to successful sex Magik which each year because of we should reverence this thing and Every Act of Love Making should be an active Sex Magic in my opinion and for which people need no tonight have to do that today and they need to understand what prayer is that I need to understand what the tension is and what time references people like sex but they don’t understand what it is I mean I used to be head of sex education in several schools in England as a secondary school teacher a job is to DNA bringing people that won kids about the kinds of diseases you can catch if you don’t wear a cumberbund so you have nurses and shine pictures of genital warts kids into behaving properly it’s just very low-level isn’t worth I think it’s and I’m kids really want to know about all this stuff and I think they they intend for education in the sense of consciously reverently making love of learning spouse and honoring the goddess of the cause of the male female elements should be part of any childs not to say, beige Cuba said beyond so I think school education should should should and I would say it’s an important part of everybody’s best friend the fact that it’s not there in the curriculum is is why the planets they screwed up and I missed it I mean we have a world where it’s acceptable to invent bombs to blow up cities of millions of people there Engineers working in in a Britain France America Russia right now to make a bomb that can destroy all about Moscow Paris and yet we talked about even a fraction of that to research into the nature of love and sexuality and Anthem a magic well I think I’m from the future because where I come from the priorities are very different to me that’s that’s what I’m trying to say why it’s important as a tradition of time to the to the to the future of this is a really interesting line of inquiry because I’m 100% in agreement with you and I guess I’ve become almost sadly so jaded and cynical to to be very I guess should be less bold in my in my hopes realistically fruit for what will happen in the more standard curriculum ahead and I’ve had a number of conversations with folks throughout the course of the podcast talking about how just teaching female the female anatomy and teaching the female arousal cycle and in just a very clinical aspects of a more balanced I guess Bridging the orgasm Gap is 1 1/2 inch of sex education that and so and so with with the biggest the biggest I’ve ever heard this a lot which is that I feel like well if we’re ever going to free the nipple and if we’re going to stop commodifying women’s bodies and basically metering out these units of pornography for sale and units of excessive exposure to fully you notes topless women in all of these Enterprises that often are criminal that are various levels but all these Enterprises that that profit on the damming of the middle experience of the nude available sensual and erotic size female form that there’s such an economy around that I mean hundreds of billions of dollars around just the fact that a boy’s mind is not bucking if you compare that to an indigenous Society where nobody wears clothes then there’s absolutely no frustrated desire around breasts there’s no there’s no distorted and contorted notion of accessibility of the visual stimuli other woman’s body and Sol to me that it’s like the if you just look at how distorted if we if we look at that and remember when I remember this was years back when I pop top top of the charts pop singer Janet Jackson had her nipple burst forth from her outfit during her Superbowl performance and it basically shock the world and I can only imagine how many people died of heart attacks at the moment that happened but you know that they’re hurt whoever it was your lawyer PR agent they basically put the spin on the public apology that it was a quote it was a quote to wardrobe malfunction and I think it was a few days later on I’ll make this one of those nights you as I think it was Jay Leno or Dennis Miller somebody say that I was making fun of it and it making poking fun at the whole system when he said you know so that the final report is that the department of wardrobe security is now going to be instituted help prevent these disasters from happening again something completely absurd right over the top with who is joke about it but the comment. It is on that and I feel like throwing up at 10 to hear but the thing that what I like about what you’re saying and what I really did need for more enlightened sex Educators to figure out me the weak points in the armor of his picture cool system so that we can skillfully consciously and end in Legally sort of family Pride I’m trying to price vegetation system where the advice when we were kids again I feel that life is some at some point. Sounds good one why it’s important to think about these these car make seasonal so that this notion you have about I really like this about the I mean for me it seems like almost in an insurmountable task to to just get even the most clinical aspects of teaching the female anatomy and its full Glory which is science you know there’s so that the medical sign even happening in in the American school system can be prevented it would be places where it’s absolutely all you can teach is the like what you’re saying that the negative aspects if we can you can teach I can basically the file pregnancy functions but basically you learning about how the male ejaculates in but not about it’s like if you want to have a successful conscious conception then it behooves you to spend time doing the the the work and arousing the woman fully so that all of her juices are flowing all of she’s fully biologically receptive to the experience and if you she’s closed down because of this like a 30-second you know friction experience that’s very painful and then her whole physiology basically shuts down and there’s not you’re not going to be as effective so even if they were just going to teach you about a gift I’m sure it on farms they have they have some sort of magic about how they cuz they care to have a survival with your direction you know I mean you know who this is not the right time to take but I know what you’re saying there’s some female sexual nice and Maze is pretty soon as a woman but he’s written a book called Eve secrets of the book she’s cooled something something loud Lowndes she’s trying to read we describe the female clitoris I’m watching TV is as an organ and what is shape is someone for the most part if they’re treated well and respected and then contracts are here too and they know what they’re getting into and hopefully they’ve matured and hopefully their brain has developed to its full capacity IE the age that it takes to actually I don’t say that to you so you better know there’s a dimension of Ethics when it comes to harvesting teenagers for your for whatever in that and I have had some of the best sex of my life as a 30 year old being fucked up fucked senseless by teenager in a monogamous relationship and I will I will tell you that it’s it some it was worth the daddy issues that I had to deal with it was worth reparenting her and it was worth every bit of emotional kind of awkwardness that there wasn’t some of the MX because she was such a good full spirited Prime late night it was funny cuz I was like settle you down and basically like I could teach your making a kid with ADHD sit in class is like no she wants to fuck wildly she wants you to perform more than you possibly ever could even at 30 and and she and she is not she doesn’t need these esoteric practices too heavy multi-orgasmic she’s fucking coming or brains out like so hard and I and I couldn’t sit her down the aisle still enough to do any of the practices that I thought were going to be so enlightening and went in the great thing is is it a fuck it like it is certain point you just say no guru there’s a song about it’s like no guru no no scripture No play just in the Dow of the thing so anyway so that’s a side note to say there is a sacred place for adult for fully mature brain develop adults to be having sex with teenagers and and I know that it can be done because I’ve done it but it also takes you can’t just treat them like a commodity please you got to you got to think about pedagogy Nikki learned from the person that you’re teaching teaches you things to like a circle so then so we’re talking about these ethics and where I wanted to just close that point about how I do my best to not be a cult leader I thought I figured it out pretty simply and correct me if I’m wrong but basically it’s it’s I dare you to to indict me for the the criminal and civil liability of misconduct for for for structuring a certain way so this is how I this is this is very simple as this is like this I said that this is a different the difference from a cult leader is that I’m a porn director I pay women to be directed and then I pay whoever I want to I will I will I will choose performers who I resonate with for whatever we would like to do together to make beautiful art and and I will compensate them and pay them to take time out of their lives to be a part of my design and to be directed by me they’re not paying me for healing for enlightenment for direction for guidance and I’m directing them and Meghan gratifying myself and taking their money in convincing mind fucking them and taking more of their money and more than money until they don’t talk to their friends because of and that’s how Colts are basically extractive from their students the colors are extracting from their devotees the difference is how many colors do you know that actually give their devotees money I will pay you oh now I’m making corned a porn director and I am more karmically correct than the fucking Guru who is fucking having people kiss his feet and take your money so who would have thought that the corn directors were the most enlightening Yogi’s to ever attempt to be divine and I have my favorites and I’m a fan of some of them I want I want to see the names but right now but that cuz I wouldn’t want to leave any out you know what I mean bless you all for paying people to direct them into your Twisted fucking fantasies and giving them that dignity like hats of their not wondering about it cuz there’s that was having a conversation today it’s like a buyer’s remorse if I say to you I’m just saying if you remember when you had to if you were old enough to know that there was a day when when when your allowance equals one CD for $15 so humorous if you never had experience this is important I think this is important teaching is important teachable moment is that is that and I don’t want to be today. Take care no man’s planning anything in them to have fun here but this is like this is this is late so here’s the funny thing though you think about I remember what it was like when I had to convince myself that amusing that a CD that fucking sucked was actually good because I paid money for it and I would not let myself suffer the indignity of having made a mistake so I was in a state of denial and delusion so so so feeling this isn’t meditation okay everybody think of something that you paid money for that you discovered was in the zoo is suboptimal and you used mental gymnastics to convince yourself that you actually liked it even though you knew deeply that you didn’t like it but it was called buyer’s remorse it was called the sunk cost fallacy of sunk cost fallacy is that because you invested something into this you have to continue beyond the point of no return because you can’t live with yourself other ways so that is this Twisted perverse placebo effect that happens when it’s like I went to the sex guru to get healed and he said for 9999 I would get here and but I but I could also upsell to the bonus extra double healing deluxe super Cosmic Crystal trademark excetera right thing and try before you buy money back guarantee accessories that you’re all of his legal he’s in fine print all the stuff but there is but that’s where it is we’re expecting to have some result that you paid money for and you will question whether or not okay did I was a hole in my heel did I pay enough money to pay more and some money and it is it distorts things and you did it it did contaminated in a way for that so I’m skeptical that I can be done right in that sense and that’s just me so what I say let’s work in the garden together my time equals your time and now we’re planting trees equals an hour of Yoni massage your prostate massage and therefore it’s a flat equal everybody has the same it’s his first come first serve you know and orgasms for work shirts that was my hand jobs for Humanity and helping a tree with two or so you’ll see it yeah it’s a white paper was written so is he ever gets faster so so that’s how I’m not going to be a cult leader is that I’m not going to charge people money to be Pawns in my game of or are you going to be players in my Game of Thrones Township Township twister you will get paid handsomely to be in my theater my game of Township twister and you can quit you can get any time you know that’s that’s that’s the thing to you won’t be like oh if I walk away now you know that then where I’m not like what I paid for I’m I’m already invested so much forever so so many different dynamics of of incentivization happening in this thing is so anyway that that was I think it is important to lay that out and and this is probably the first time I’ve articulated it on the podcast but I just was having this conversation today with this answer the CD metaphor thing where it’s like you know it did that it’s it’s a problem that way so so that’s I will not be extracting money from people in that in that way I’d rather pay them to be in my in my Productions and feel better about it that way so getting back to the fun stuff in the production itself so imagining that that would be the way from now on where I’m like if you want to that’s basically what I just described about that circuit of three people as a minimum to starting point is like that is the that is first base now you know that’s first base because getting into the circuitry of actual intercourse that’s where it required that’s where we get into the medical the medical responsibilities aspects and we get into more of the karmic sharing we’re really swapping scum he’s on an astral level at that point more so than if it’s an outercourse thing and you can’t go back once you know I don’t want to sound like a prepaid only sound like a six- future but but they were right about this mean you’re not wrong about everything they’ve had no sex for anybody ever. Is not the solution to people having sexually transmitted demons running rampant all over the place and it’s about making them your friends and making them work for you not against you and making them expose themselves properly and in you know where it’s not a pure realm we are not going to be perfectly protected in fear we can strive for that and we can use Kundalini and Prana and mantras and all of our medicines in purgatives and things to create a cleaner vessel to make more harmonious more resonance more signal-to-noise ratio and that is what to me this is all about and why we are missing out so badly to not be like I see this if God is wanted you got it for not created to nipples I can’t suck both nipples at the same time I tried some women I can do it on I’ve done it and you can do it some women is possible but for the most part so what does that mean what are you do do you limit God or do you just find someone else to be on the left or right side of you you know what is the big deal so when I think about this math equation how many erotic how many out of the box meaning not really the selective like subjective nuanced little erogenous zones that people get overtime in our lives but the out-of-the-box everybody is wired this way count how many erogenous zones you have and how what is the minimum number of mouse penis and genitals or fingers are human appendages required to simultaneously stimulate all those places it’s more than one person I can tell you that much you know so I just want us to start there and be creative in 2N to learn how to understand that we’re missing out and we should be wanting to gamify maximizing human potential for orgasmic pleasure because that is exorcism orgasm equals exorcism in some cultures who are Les Les Mis Sara Lee poetic about the floury discourse of symbols about sex life like a Latin American Shaman is said about her sexuality in the end in her how she explained why monogamous marriage was not really a thing in a culture that permitted extramarital sex and it was that in her mind and I am not going to say her name to cool her but I will say to paraphrase the essence of this wisdom is that to her mind it was just like an orgasm is like taking out the trash and that is not that’s not to say that it is mundane or a chore it is that it is a responsibility of hygiene in your household of your body Temple you need to have orgasms they need to be fulfilling need to get the job done and that is the exorcism aspect of it so the howling screeching all of these things that are considered that witches were burned forming figli sounds that those are the sounds of actual Holiness the set of holy the sound of Holiness is a woman’s orgasm and so let’s make those come more abundantly and let’s utilize map map the erogenous zones out of the box and then map the additional ones that are my favorite song and when you talk to me like this and this certain place I’m in the back of my head there whatever and then everyone has their own map so we can learn each other’s maps and if you don’t know your own map then you can ask people to help you there’s people who would love to lick and kiss and touch you and head to toe to find and explore you and and from a breasted state of consciousness D nice and yes I like to will you bring out the best in me that’s all I think that’s all you guys add that I can’t top that is the way to end so then really that was we didn’t even know that we put the icing on the motherfuking cake by saying you bring out the Best in Me so there was a documentary about at the peak of my desire to become a a rock star in the the crust Punk metal genre grindcore all that fun stuff I was studying that I wanted to understand and clock the music industry so I was watching every documentary I could find understanding music marketing and all the stuff and then I found this great documentary about about Jimi Hendrix and and I believe it was his fiance at a time who later became his wife if I remember correctly and she was talking about the time where he was building momentum and getting lots of gigs but still underground and she said something that stuck with me forever and if this moment which is it basically the hidden tension was used turn Express yeah we we all knew he was going to get sign or we all knew that you was going to take off he was going to blow up and so she said it was just about if someone puts put the icing on the motherfuking cake you know and I know and I felt that we we’re ready for that and we did some we had some we had some ice and get put on a motherfuking cake we did you get you always want more but I look back and I don’t think we could handle more so we got what we got and now I’m on a different I have a different cake I have a different cake mix and I don’t know if it’s that time I don’t know if it’s time to put the icing on the cake or not yeah I don’t know I mean the cake it’s getting cold she heard it mean if you’d if anyone has icing out there can it please be stevia-sweetened go Steven Johnson I don’t know how to hack them will work on that today I know it’s actually what I heard is that it’s a weird additive that they used to cut it because it’s so super sweet that you would basically died of sweetness if you didn’t like the step on it with some other things so I think that’s why I love growing Stevia and having a leaf to munch on and put in the tea because then you know is nothing else being put into it and it’s just as powerful you don’t really need to if you had the the live leaves one leaf enough will be enough to knock your head off for an hour so yeah I know on that snow yeah we’re going to put this devious fresh leave puree motherfuking icing on the cake I will put the icing on my own motherfuking cake that reminds me in 1 minute I just when I thought we couldn’t go out with a bigger bang this is going to be at because there was a a ritual ceremonial I called we called apart emoni where was the Psychedelic birthday party and we smeared cake all over each other and had to basically devour for the birthday gal of her own cake and it was just nipples and asses and I wanted to be in after from there I was my breasts Elsa. Playing for sure that brother and brother best me for sure but that when I got to put the icing on cake my damn self so don’t let anyone fucking tell you that you’re not none of me if you feel like it I mean I think we’re done I just can’t I’m going to fucking drop my phone right now when I might drop my phone on the couch citizen of the count but oh shit it’s next level add icy Cipher geise that’s going to have some cake with that icing okay thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.drudgereport.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day