In this episode I discuss the art form and spiritual path of sacred pole dancing with Makeda Smith a high priestess of the pole dancing community and successful self-made entertainment industry publicist.
To learn more please read her bio below and visit her websites:
Blessings ~ After operating my pr agency, Jazzmyne Public Relations for over 20 years I crashed financially in 2008, losing about a dozen real estate properties, my house, my cars, my dog and my man. But I Am still here and the pole as been an instrumental axis sustaining me.
I started poling when I turned 50. I am 55 now and getting younger by the moment. I hope to inspire people, but especially women and particularly older women, because it is true, we can do any thing we put our minds, heart and spirit into!
Visit my pr agency site at www.jazzmynepr.com
And also please take a spin at Pole World News – we write a monthly column there !
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Com and our journey together will begin hello David Lebovitz welcome to Township on podcast episode number 52 I’m doing a Skype interview here with Makita Smith who is going to Enlighten us and tell us all about her life and practice of sacred pole dancing which has some synchronicities in my life that that I’ll mention briefly before we get started with basically I’ve been called to bring my Tantra training instructor and counselor training to practice in Las Vegas and some people would say it’s you know the pain away it’s the belly of the beast of the place that needs the most sexual healing and Enlightenment and where there’s the most power to transmute the wealth of the billionaires of the world who come here to experience sex defied women kind of porn if I had sex if I’d women in in so icky leverage point to begin to reverse that those patterns of abuse and exploitation I have a huge shadow what betta breeding the candle to the darkness and bring some sacredness to the to the community here so that was my my long intro to kind of frame this and so Makita I would love for you to go wild and tell us your whole life story and how you got to on this path cuz you’re definitely a high priestess of the Sacred pole dancing bless you and thank you and bless you and have a say thank you for finding me on the web and having me on your show and that’s like amazing synchronicity just like wow I’ve been pole dancing for 5 years now I started at the age of 50 and I just turned 55 and it’s been the most amazing adventure ever I am a pole at it years ago that I will be pole dancing in my fifties if I had gone to agree there and he told me I was in my fifties I never ever ever would have believed it that was just sounded like the most craziest thing in the world sometimes I even look at my pictures and my video of me told dancing and it just blows my mind something that’s totally transcendental okay so how did I get started on pole dancing to pole how did I even come across pole dancing yeah and if you want the other the kind of background on your career path in public relations I run my business for almost 30 years I think it’s 28 years now and I’ve always had a home-based operation I’ve never been to the office, not to work so when I started my business I was a single parent mom I was working for someone else and I decided I wanted to spend more time at home with my child by the side start working at home and interesting thing is this was back in 1988 people told me I was crazy and see if you can’t work from home your Hollywood publicist you have to be on SunSetter Hollywood Boulevard is this will never work and now here it is almost 30 years later and it’s the trendiest things working home everyone works at home everyone wants to work at home businesses pay you to work at home and then I didn’t know what I was doing getting out with norm and I say that because I always feel like I’ve been like ahead of my time and kind of a trendsetter and so was also kind of the same thing with pole dancing like my started pole dancing like yours for like crazy lady have you lost your mind and now here it is 5 years later and people like you are contacting me to be interview yeah so it’s pretty cool okay so I’ve been a problem since I have two daughters I raise doing publicity I work in the entertainment business so I’ve always been a little freaking out of the box because you know the in whole entertainment feel this kind of just out there No Holds Barred in 2008 I experienced what is that the Dark Night of the Soul has lasted for about I think it lasted for about 2 years I have been turned off into the real estate market he always going well if I bet you’d off in the real estate and I was doing really good in real estate and actually I actually own 12 real estate investment properties life was just Grand and then long story short the market crashed oh my God I crashed with it I say I was a queen who lost her entire Empire I lost everything my man who I thought was the love of my life literally walked out on me and never looked at my house. Ford close the IRS audit file for bankruptcy my car got repoed I have to give my my by trustee dog my Rottweiler Jaja a way like I live in the hit rock bottom I was literally homeless I had to go stay with relatives and friends and try to rebuild my life it was the most traumatic thing I really seriously contemplated leaving the planet but I told myself I couldn’t leave the planet one because I had daughters and I couldn’t just deserve them and to I knew I rested on the shoulders of ancestors with God through much more and if they survived I just had to survive so every day I will wake up and stay in Still I Rise what was the hardest thing I ever did I don’t know turn in a role in my life you know where the only I’ve always had the Creator I’ve always had the most high but this was like this is like a real test because I really had nothing but God God is like nothing literally nothing I can’t even explain it was like it was really that dark night of the Soul where you don’t have anything at all you can do is just resting God okay so I end up losing my home which was out in the desert Antelope Valley in quartz Hills and I had to come I haven’t I move back to LA and I actually ended up living in living in the city of Hollywood I’ve never lived in Hollywood have always just on the outskirts of Hollywood so this was traumatic for me baby in the belly of the beast in Hollywood living off of Hollywood Boulevard in an apartment apartments in like 30 years old my God talk about trauma bestow like oh my God angels I know you’re with me while I’m walking down the street but why and how did I get here life of living in Hollywood like you said in Vegas when you’re actually in the belly of the Beast what was it on Vine between Hollywood and Vine which is more famous popular Hollywood Street because I walk everywhere when I was looking at Hollywood and this was like an Angelic experience I’m walking down the street Hollywood is really crazy and buzzing buzzing and bubbling and dance this woman she’s older white woman and she’s like she’s got to be like in her sixties or something right she’s she’s doing splits on the sidewalk and there’s a photographer taking pictures of her and she has blonde hair and she and I want Pastor and God oh my God she’s so cute and she so fabulous like she’s walking next like she’s walking next to me like you know you just walking down and she’s next to me and I go oh my God and she and I started this whole conversation my name is Mada Mada and Makita are derivatives of the same name that’s the first Xfinity she was 73 at the time my God she told me that she started poldent know she started excuse me she’s sorry yoga in her forties and that’s why she was still limber and had her youthful effervescence appearance to this day and I can’t oh my God size classes and get my life maybe I need to go to almost in my 50s some like it’s not too late maybe maybe I should look into yoga anyway she and I became friends but still friends to this day and Shiba left me while we were on the corn is hawking before we exchange numbers she told me that when did she tell me my name Makita meant infinite meant forever youthful Everlasting and when she said that to me like it really felt like the angel speaking to me through her and I just started crying I was like oh my God I’m sitting here on the corner of like Hollywood and Vine in tears Kristin Francy to say she’s over in English but because of her I went to take a yoga class the last time I had taken of yoga class was when I was in school in Boston like in my 20 so I can see yoga class it was cool but it was like a whole hour of yoga Namaste Yoga is boring but I got to find something else and one of those Living Social Groupon deal for pole dancing to mine I have a client if you might actually want to interview him in the future you are amazing my science is his name is hypnotika and hypnotika lives in San Diego and he also runs a gentleman’s club and I remember I was doing some PR for him and I was at his gentlemen’s club and I remember watching one of the strippers and she just blew my mind she was like oh my God I was just like this woman is a living goddess up there on a pole doing magic and I was like looking at her when tuning into her and saying oh my God to be able to do that must be amazing like I can ask I would never be able to do that in a hundred years right and I was like I don’t know what the heck let me go take a class I can afford it it’s a Groupon if I only take one class is really no money lost I went and took that class and I was hooked from the first class I was just hope there was like I hate to make this analogy but it was like if somebody takes a drug in a drug is so good they just got to go back and get more of that class was like oh my god I’ve got to come back and take more pole dancing classes where has this been all my life is just it just a terribly opened up something inside me nobody knows Capricorns we’re driven it was kind of you know we we we went once we put our mind on something we have to do it we have to conquer it we have to be the best of it so most people probably take Cole dancing classes once a week I went on between LivingSocial and Groupon I found every pole dancing schupan I could find for the next year old classes a week and I I did it totally off of living social Groupon and I didn’t the different Studios all around La and I was upset and it was only fits it just gave me life because one the living social deals made it affordable for me cuz I’m still regrouping from losing everything and to it just gave me life I was in the Beast of the belly trying to figure out what the heck is going on I’m a queen whose lost her Empire and I’m trying to find my way and pole dancing as an exercise as an art as a religion it kind of got a pass because it was considered art well does it have to be considered art for it to be okay or not can it be something other than ours but still pictures of of naked people and pictures of naked people doing particular things whatever that may be even if someone or many or most people might not consider that art does that mean that it’s now no longer okay and no longer permitted or can it still be permitted even though you wouldn’t call it art does art have to be the standard by which something is being pornographic or erotic or just accepted right I think that’s getting into that Miller test standard that doctrine of it’s it’s it’s not obscenity if it can be proved to be artistic and or educational or having some cultural value and that’s this kind of is as as much of a of a precise tool is is is that you can get I guess with that Miller test but yeah and even with that just on its face that could be Gene to include everything because seeing anything that you haven’t seen before has an educational component to it oh I’ve never seen this before maybe it’s okay to do that or now I see this in that’s not something that I want to do that’s not something that I think is something that would feel good to me to do or to have someone do to me or for me to do to someone else so why don’t want to do that but it’s now out of the closet and I one of the things especially in this last decade and especially the last few years as a sexual orientation and sexual identity have come into the Forefront of of color of Western culture certainly but across the across the worlds as well and also the political Spectrum as homosexuality has been been increasingly accepted and gay marriages are now legal in many states and people are also looking not only at homosexuality but transexuality or whatever whatever terminology you want to use for that that wouldn’t be offensive because that too is a burgeoning area where many people are offended by certain term so I I’m sorry if any of the terms that I that I’ve said my sound defensive to someone but it’s just about someone sexuality and what is it is that okay can that be out of the closet can we accept it does it to be regarded and tossed as dirty and unacceptable and other kinds of sex negative and identity identity negative things these are all things that we’re wrestling with and none of them are easy sounds like we need people like you being the guidance counselor and therapist for families at that level more than legislation that just forces things underground because as long as people have a demand for whatever is out there it’s going to be produced on the black market you know no matter what so and you know there’s there’s a they call it the the shadow internet or the others all that accessibility there so I think I think we definitely agree on all of his stuff so if let’s just say kind of walking through you have a family coming in there and you know that the teenage boy is experiencing erectile dysfunction and sort of unable to bond and make human romantic age appropriate connection because of a addiction to whatever you want to call it but a mediated form of sexual access right and so let’s hold on their addiction and that totally muddies the water that’s and if she has an addiction I’m sorry if he has an erectile dysfunction that’s based on some kinds of sexual addiction there’s kind of a contradiction in that so I would have to find out more about that and then to understand that better I’d have to inquire with him as much as I can while the parents aren’t there to inhibit what he’s going to tell me of what he sees as an erectile how he understands it how he defines it what his view of what’s normal is our end is that an accurate view of what’s normal and to be expected or not and by the same token what is this thing he’s talking about as some kind of addiction to pornography and what are the behaviors that are involved in that and how does he understand how that may be connected or may not be connected to what he’s talking about with some kind of erectile dysfunction those are not all straight lines there are winding paths and we have to follow the path if we are going to understand the person that were talking to if I’m going to understand the person I’m talking to you no hear my office is in Beverly Hills but I see people from all over there some people who were from next door there are other people who drive an hour in 2 hours to get to me so there’s no there’s no quick and simple answer about the people that I’m seeing and it being a select group it’s really a Melting Pot of people and I can’t make the assumptions about who you are unless I talk to them and that’s where I start is help me to understand you my my focus says I’m working with people is not trying to teach them though I know there are psychologist and psychotherapist who to focus on teaching people my focus is more on helping people to understand them and helping people to sort out what’s going on in their mind and how that connects to their life experience their understandings of themselves in the world of their relationships with other people and who they can be who they can’t be what to expect in the world so that’s where where I start with people is helping them to to let me know who they are and and that certainly applies with all issues about sex and sexuality and images of sex and sexuality okay well yeah thank you for that I’m feeling your your approaches it feels like if we all had that level of care and concern in and space to really create our own narratives that would be a way to solve a lot of our own problems with the bit of help so I appreciate that approach and that was kind of the sort of statistical archetypal stereotype of what’s of what how how you know several of the factors of how young men and boys are being harmed by something that they’re not that they actually end up being very uncomfortable with and want to seek help for inner creating their own sources for that there’s the nofap movement I’m not sure if you’ve heard of that but through set of what it’s coming down to is the extreme you know negative outcome of excessive use according to their own you know their own gauge of it and then if we look at I’ll just give you another kind of case study type example but the other equation for consumio young consumers of pornography young consumers erotic media getting there to leave the pornography tournament the door thank you email to talk about sexual images andronic images but that doesn’t mean that they are pouring and then it’s a question of what are the images the people are looking at you know there are there’s a lot of stereotype of those images are being filled with violence and leading to violence but that’s only a very small segment of what’s out there in the world of sexual imagery whether it’s videos or Stills and and the same thing with with rose there’s a whole world of sexual images that are all about love and are about sex being shown in very loving tender and unsatisfying ways but often that doesn’t get into the dialogue around porn was looking at the let’s say the Straight female certified sexual initiation process which happens to everyone and so a complaint that’s heard often is that you know I’m a teenage girl and all the boys are essentially behaving like they’re possessed and all they want to do is you know penetrate my anus in a way that has no real train skill or care concern or lubrication or all of the things that would be considered best practice is to explore that area and then they’re like this is a porndemic because I can’t find a young male to you know deflower me who I don’t feel really terrified by what’s going on in erotic imagination so is that something that you have had to answer questions about or deal with or confront cuz that’s the other sort of end of the spectrum of harm that’s certainly there and that then raises the question where do people get their sex education from where they get their sex education from about what’s normal and what if what they see on the internet is the only place that they are are learning about sex and that’s a very skewed you about what sex is what sex should be and there’s something about that that needs to be changed not from birth on the internet but to bring other people to to those kids education and part of part of that has to do with most of the sexual imagery that’s online is there for males and there’s not that of sexual imagery without fear for females so it certainly there but people do have to be looking for it more and for many of the boys growing up who who see sex on the internet that’s what they often might see but that doesn’t mean that that’s what’s normal and they’re also places on the internet where they can get more loving for Trails how that can be done and whatever sex acts someone might be looking for or inquiring but another part of this which I don’t want to just let Slide by under dress has to do with your talkin about the girls responses to to the boys I efforts to have sex and what they’re wanting and that has to do with what boys and girls and what adolescents grow up with about their own sexuality and what’s normal and what’s not normal and what’s okay and what’s not okay we’re still in a time when adolescents have the mindset that that boys should be the ones to initiate girl should not initiate and that puts all of the burden on on the boys and it sets up a dynamic between the boys and the girls wear and what kind of like you said the girls are saying well all he wants is to have sex and he wants to have it this way well let’s start with you all he wants is to have sex part and so why isn’t there more of an equality between boys and girls where they’re both wanting to have sex and they’re both seeing sex as something positive from an early age because the alternative is that is too kind of demon eyes the boys for wanting to have sex and the girls aren’t really wanting sex they’re just wanting to be loved and that is a whole dynamic between boys and girls between men and women that I think is really important part of all of these relationships that we need to take another look at it I mean it was addressed many years ago in certainly in the psychological literature one of the people that was looking at that was Wilhelm right back in the 30s about the sex negative view that was in society and there’s your dad still there we haven’t really gone all that far from that especially compared to how we think we’ve come miles and miles but it’s really only a few feet right like you’re saying there’s so many unspoken hidden Frameworks that are not being addressed like you know how to speak from experience when I was when I was a boy coming-of-age into my hormonal sexual self I was afraid to go up and write something on the chalkboard or point something out in the map because I had a tent pole in my pants cuz I was very turned on by the teacher or somebody else in the class and there was no masturbation room to go take care of myself at home or at school so we’re just not designing for this energy to flow through our cultures and you were living with the fear of being exposed as being a sexual / and being ridiculed for it in ways that girls never work but that’s the typical experience of growing up mail right and having as a dynamic between males and females in that very tender. Of age right so we’ve got a few minutes left I really appreciate your insights and I think I’m at a point where I feel like the way to frame this discourse is that it’s pouring is not a Public Health crisis or public health hazard sexual holistic sexuality education is in the lack thereof is the Public Health crisis and exactly more of the Public Health crisis is about sexual repression sexual oppression about teaching teaching people generally but especially teaching girls that sex is dirty and teaching girls that boys are bad for wanting to have sex that if everyone kind of grew up on an even playing field of seeing sex as positive seeing love is positive and being able to talk together about about those things to talk together about love to talk together about sex to talk together about what you want and what you don’t want and that’s okay we will be in a very different environment than we are today there is to be a new political office of a quote horns are not to be confused with torrent star that person was to be open-minded enough to take some direction and possibly offer to hire you to consult what kinds of programs designs no just outlines you know big picture thinking you know if you were to be able to be respected for what you’re saying and it is a we want to address the issue of institutionalized sexual repression in so where do we begin to unravel that not this is just that you know food for thought and I think one of the places is to redefine the title and take pouring out of the picture but it’s not about pouring it’s about sexuality and sexual acceptance and how can we how can we bring sexual acceptance into the public dialogue and into into the educational system and into into the kind of dialogue that parents have with your kids that that seems to me to be a big part of that role of Tsar do I don’t know that that’s the right term but to to change the language that we talked about these things so we’re not talking about about about it with sex negative sex by a sex pejorative kind of language that skews things from the gecko and set and sets us up to lose from the very start right to the simple statement sexual aggression is the product of sexual repression so it’s going to come out in pouring it’s going to come out on prom night all of that pent-up frustrated aggressive certified you want to call it Satanic call it Satanic whatever you want to call but you can have to bring the light to the darkness and and get some help with that so I think the case is closed and I really appreciate what we’ve accomplished in this call setting some new terms for discourse and really putting the the family and the family therapist in the community and the school teachers more in a position of of leadership than political Lake litigation legislation and political offices so what I would add to that is in terms of where you started is to encourage parents know themselves to be honest with themselves to be honest with their own prejudices and biases to be honest with their own fears to be honest with their own misconceptions so they don’t pass them along to kids and to be able to listen to kids more than they talk to kids and to be able to have a dialogue rather than a lecture with their kids and that changes the relationship between parents and kids and helps kids to grow and to feel accepted beautiful beautiful all right thank you dr. schub so much and if you want to give your contact information so people can start to seek your help sure you can find me at actor Karl subs.com that d r c a r l s h u b s or one string calm and phone number is 310-772-0520 that’s local here in Beverly Hills great thank you so much have a wonderful day take care you to thanks very much. 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