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Divine Male Stripper Tells All TPP66

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zane-picIn this episode I’m joined by my colleague in the new sacred masculinity movement. He is a male stripper on top of his game after years of building a world class brand. We learn of his humble beginnings, his smashing success in local Nashville clubs, his innovation in assembling a traveling pole dance troop, and his transition to mainly solo work by appointment at private parties.

He explains how the ethics, energy, charisma, and anima it takes to be a male stripper can and must be cultivated by every man to achieve full presence and vitality in the bedroom and beyond.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to time for fun podcast episode number 66 I am going to be interviewing Zane who is a Nashville male stripper and we’re going to learn a lot about the sacred bad boy archetype here and so how you got to become a male stripper in your life boy that is a long long story the very short version of that story is I was just the right man for the job and I was in the right place at the right time and should just kind of fell together and next thing you know I was on stage in front of large groups of people getting naked and making money in ways that I never imagined possible that is the short that’s the short version if you want the long version we can get into that yeah yeah cuz you and all that you probably didn’t some people did actually you know that Spire to be in that role but where did she go out how did life unfold leading you into that that moment of being at the right place at the right time well for starters we can rewind about a year or two before I started dancing and at that point I was 19 going out to 20 years old living in The Boondocks the mountains of Carthage Tennessee and I was playing in a death metal band as a bass player the whole band and I were living together in a run-down creepy-ass house in the Backwoods of the fucking Countryside way up in the mountains you got to go like 5 miles or so through this like one lane Gravel Road that finally leads up to my house my house look like something straight out of a Rob Zombie movie and my whole family dinner at the cops never came on our road ever so we did whatever we wanted we just partied all day shoot guns out there since nobody gives a fuck and we would throw bonfire parties my drummer Aaron at the time was native to that sound so everybody out there knew him there big ass party everybody comes out there and comes to check us out of our neighbors made moonshine a few people grow mushrooms and shit and just go out there and play metal songs and that was our whole life that lasted a good while and then I moved back to Middle Tennessee and heard through the grapevine about a club in downtown Nashville that was hiring male dancers and you know the band had split up I needed money and I did not think cuz cuz they were auditioning people I figured I would show up ask around and just see what comes out of it I couldn’t dance where the shit I was playing in the death metal band I’m used to getting it to Moss pets and she said you know so like so when somebody says hey there’s a nude male strip club I had long black hair that I’m usually pulled back in a ponytail I mean not exactly I mean I was in shape I mean I look good but like I was not Magic Mike by any stretch of the imagination but I showed up for whatever reason and the manager said okay you’ve got to get on stage and dance for one song by the end of the song you’ve got to get completely naked and that’s going to be your audition I said word went back to the DJ booth you guys got any Nine Inch Nails any Rob Zombie or corn or something and we pulled up the song it was probably the most awkward five minutes of my life and I thought I really really believe that I was going to get laughed out of the club like I didn’t know what I was doing there I never at that point in my life like I was just barely 20 years old at that point I never been to a strip club in my life ever I’ve never seen anybody do a pole trick I’ve never seen a lap dance actually take place I didn’t I couldn’t dance I didn’t know what the hell I was doing I was just I was there I really thought I was I was getting ready to apologize like I’m sorry this fucking suck time I’m Gone by the end of the song manager gets up on the microphone like okay when can you start I’m like so you got to get your SOB license sob stand for sexually oriented business so I had to go get my sexually-oriented business license and I could start dancing and pay out the club about 40 to $50 a day make cash everyday and what I make is mine to keep I said I fucking made the audition M-66 it’s going on to about six and a half years later this point I’m 26 years old now I was barely twenty years old at the at the time and here I am talking about it now I thought I was about to get laughed out of the room go back to working at some fucking Factory or Warehouse like all the other jobs that I’ve worked previously but it worked out and it’s been a hell of a ride man that’s the that’s the introduction to that and so is that with the same club or if you bounced around what’s changed over the 60 at everything that was that was the beginning that was the beginning that was a club that is not around anymore it was called Club Arrow or some people refer to it as Arrow Nashville in downtown Nashville male strip club right in the heart of downtown and I worked there for about a year and after that apparently the mayor Governor whoever of our town the Senators and all that could not handle the idea of having a male strip club so close to our convention center and right in the heart of downtown where all the tourists like to go and I read some of the news tabloids about it like our politicians right here in Tennessee where saying it’s one thing if a lady takes her clothes off on stage for men but when a man does it it’s repulsive or he said something to that effect and it made me nauseous man like I worked there for about a year I got a real taste of the game and really got passionate about what I did and then I started hearing this and I forgot that oh yeah we’re in the middle of so-called conservative Buckle of the Bible Belt Middle Tennessee and here we are doing what is completely against the grain of what mainstream Society considers to be decent or chivalrous in any way throw money at us come on and apparently apparently the the people running the show that is Tennessee could not handle the fact and so the club got bought out from underneath us without any of the dancers knowing it apparently all the club Owners and managers were in on it and just didn’t even tell us until one day I woke up to a phone call and it was my manager at the time Bo who just said hey man there’s no more Arrow we’re locking the doors tomorrow you got till the end of today to come over here get your stuff out of the Walker and it’s over and that was about five five five and a half years ago it was right around Christmas I think of 2010 I believe and we didn’t we were devastated me and all the other dancers you know we didn’t know what to do because of that point we had fallen in love with the game the show the entertainment just everything about what we did was like just such a fucking Rush that you know once it ended we’re like now what where do we where do we go from here and a shortly after that there was a club owner from a place pretty close by to their calls me up apparently I had given him my number at some point at that club arrow and I don’t remember doing that but he had called me up out of the blue and said hey I heard are is closing down why don’t you want to bring your boys down to my club in bold put on a show for you guys had word and we put on a show just in the middle of his club and that turned into a big thing you know like the this was on New Years going into 2011 amazing party amazing crowd like everybody had of last we all made money and it’s like we’re taking that and it work we we took that energy from that club that we worked at together and started spreading it so in a way you could say that Arrow closing down on us was actually for our benefit like that’s where it was birthed but from there it’s spreaded and it started with me and Nightclub owner talkin we put on the New Year’s big and it became a hit next thing you know we bought ourselves a portable pole we became a traveling pole dancing group started traveling all over the southeast United States and we would roll up into a club and we would just set up a pole right there where ever was convenient to us and it was amazing we could just do pole tricks in the middle of any club and put on a show and travel and would become a big thing that went South that lasted a couple of years I just banded from that group for other raisins and perfect timing with that because this and that happened and the whole thing fell apart but God damn it that was a good fucking ride that we gave it for myself like right at the same time that I had helped start that pole dancing group starting with that New Year’s gig and then other gigs after that that I had set up and started booking and we started traveling and Performing and all that at the same time I started creating a network for myself which is the best move for me to make at the time and that’s I think what really saved my ass like a kept myself afloat in the industry after this pole dancing group head collapse okay not to sound arrogant but I at the time I was worth more as an Entertainer then the group was as a traveling unit and at the time that I disbanded you should started going south and at the time like by that point I had already created a network for myself other people that I’m connected with that are going to book with me where I can perform wherever I want and I started doing like a lot of bachelorette parties private parties birthday parties party bus party boats and you fucking name it and by the time that that group had disbanded and sort of crumbled collapsed on us I was already in an independent entity making money on my own as an entrepreneur and I’m still doing it to this day and still keep in touch with all the guys most of them you know you know still perform the occasional Club gig here and there and it’s always fun and still doing bow and here I am like I said talking about it and in the meantime it’s good to hear from me to Tanger problem this is exciting I’m totally totally getting in this trance listen to tell me about how what’s the mechanics of that that’s very interesting I never heard that they did that so how does what does that look like and how does it how do you set that up a little tiny bit can you repeat that how does that work well it was a pole that you can take apart and put together it’s it’s a portable pole it doesn’t it doesn’t connect to the ceiling of a club like it you would set up the bass on ground level and in the middle is like a ball bearing like swivel type thing were then you assemble the pole itself and put it inside the base the foundation and from there it’s spins and everything and it’s pretty sturdy so we had one guy that was like well over 200 lb of big white boy country boy and everything totally fucking crunk I would do backflips and all kinds of crazy pole tricks and everything on the Poland and I think it only fell apart on him one time aside from that it’s been pretty sturdy over the years but like I said that’s way in the past and lots of good times that have happened as a result is it kind of like one of those like kicking post like that martial arts studio kicking post or like a basketball hoop that has like it has some sort of thing it’s weighted bottom or is it the UPS okay so you don’t know the name of the brand I’m not the one that bought it but I mean ok it’s the sound ation that you build on ground-level its circular at the bottom ways a good bit there’s a metal frame that goes inside of it then there’s the circular platform that you can actually walk and dance and twerk on in the center would be the whole with like a ball bearing like open hole type of thing where then you assemble the pole separately in three different pieces stick it in the center in the thing spins and you can jump on it go upside down and it fits in the back of any regular cars trunk so we can grab a lot of steak of all over the place we went as far south as Panama City Beach Florida and I think I believe it’s for North as Evansville Indiana and pretty much it all the states in-between weird head at various clubs in many many stories many different things that have happened and people and shit that’s gone on in the middle of all that good stuff in well that’s so tell me about if you will what your internal experiences in these in these dances that mean are you feeling now you said you’re getting a rush imagine I mean I’ve been into clubs where the others just like a like gay clubs where there’s actually mostly I’ve heard it’s like a lot of straight guys like just College you know college guys straight guys that are just trying to make a little extra bucks on the side but it was kind of like you know stomping a little bit on the on the bars standing up and just having people come up and stuff terminal like this the dance of stopping you just kind of like moving your cat down but you’re not getting real real crazy like pole dance I haven’t seen you know that yet so it sounds like you’re getting pretty wild like you’re getting in people’s faces you’re like doing the lap dances and you just a wild man right at them at a concert might be something different but as a male dancer I mean we’ve pretty much done everything if that’s what you mean well so I saw I saw you do a little lap dance recently and what how tell me about a male stripper lap dance what is that what is that like what is he mean what do we do yeah yeah if you were to describe it you know if you would like writing your Memoirs you know and you were like you know these are some of the moves like oh yeah like what what typically happens during a lap dance pole oh boy I guess it it really boils down to the aspect of being a good Entertainer is all about filling out the Vibes and not only so to speak surf The Vibes the the the waves that are the women’s emotions and that are the vibe that I’m creating within the room like as I’m owning the room like as the sole Entertainer like 90% of my games right now it is like you know private parties Bachelorette birthday party stuff like that itches like that’s that’s mostly what I do and then we’re sitting here talking about pole dancing and stuff that was years and years ago that was like five years ago I was doing that but as a doing doing bachelorette parties during a lap dance it’s all about filling out the Vibes and that would apply to being in a club to it’s all about feeling Out The Vibes and going going with that I can read the woman’s body energy their posture just how much they’re getting into it I can tell if she’s so high or reserved like nervous because it’s the first time she’s doing something like this or if she’s completely just into it and wild and everything and anything else that that’s in between during a regular lap dance I can feel out the vibes from her body and just what is what is happening in the way that her friends are like responding to what I do and from there I usually start with some kind of teas where I’m not completely physically touching the girl that I’m about to dance for and just kind of Escalade from there it can go into like grinding a lot of times I fish out dollar bills with my teeth a lot of her friends will stick dollar bills like in her cleavage and you know very you know parts of her body were all fish out the dollar bills with my teeth and stuff like that in the girls get all into it and everything a lot of different tricks and things that I do sometimes depending on what outfit that I’m wearing at the time like let’s say I’m wearing my cop outfit should I wear the cop outfit all the time and that’s a huge hit like all the girls will take that a lot sometimes sometimes the girls request whipped cream so I like to keep my refrigerator stocked with whipped cream this time of year because you never know when that might come in handy right and then during if I’m not going to be a cop or like a pizza delivery guy or something like that like I’m just in my regular Cowboy outfit or if they haven’t requested anything specific where they just want me to show up looking sharp or whatever like a business suit or something like that usually my intro is going to be like most often when I show up the bride does not know that I’m coming like it’s going to be a surprise to her oftentimes like it’s only the girl that both me and her friends like all the other girls in the room that are actually in on it and in cases like that in fact most other cases to be honest what I like to do as my intro is I’ll bring a blindfold and I’ll tell the girls that book to me you know they always meet me outside the room before I start dancing you know I’m bringing my Boombox and everything for me and I told him to blindfold the bride-to-be or the birthday girl whoever you know the star of the night so is going to be and get her to sit down in the seat blindfold her and balls he’s blindfolded I might walk inside while she doesn’t see me and you know plug in my Boombox in my party light and all that plug in my iPod my playlist everything and then whenever I’m ready all the girls in the room will start changing the bride’s name in La Brittany Brittany Way what’s going on what’s going on for the blindfold off how you doing Brittany and then all the girls are going crazy and it it’s always a blast man it’s always a blast is there footage of a demo reel for this I got to see this man this is too if you’re talking about that little 10-second video clip that I posted in the Forum I haven’t seen a couple days ago right I haven’t seen that yet but I’m really I would love to see this like as a music video or something I mean it’s it’s this is like so a demo reel that that documents all this I would love to see a male stripper performance during a bachelorette party filmed and edited by The Format of the music video that would be amazing I’ve never seen or done that before I do that and if it happens because I’m going to top Magic Mike but that’s it let’s let’s do it there’s no reason why this shouldn’t be the what all males aspire to be able to accomplish you know in their own private lives like being a really juicy dancer you know that’s what’s missing and debts you know that I mean either so so many guys did you say I can’t dance or I don’t dance and no that’s that’s write any anybody you should never say that you cannot dance because anybody can dance fucking half-ass nod your head to some music that is fucking dancing so nobody should say if they cannot dance that is a fucking lie and don’t ever believe it you can dance for this because you know I can’t I mean from the metal scene I wasn’t metal everything and yeah I think head-banging moshpit Circle pits in pitted sink head swell with all that stuff is a form of movement but you know the but despite permitted to do that you know if you were to start getting kind of smooth and sensual and graceful moving your head beat you up as a fagg that’s what you know what I mean a lot of that world but you know that there is that homophobic through that pain world you know but I mean shit like that I mean I’ve never really seen anything homophobic but I’ve never I mean metal metal is one of those genres where you don’t see a whole lot of openly gay people with the exception of the lead singer for Judas Priest and that’s I mean forgetting that’s I mean if I certainly haven’t seen or experienced anything like that at the same time I mean you know meet me personally I went from heavy metal and death metal in Dania bass player which which I still answer this day don’t get me wrong from that to like you said actually having it in the hips having the Mojo being able to to move with the music and from there I started to evolve from heavy metal and stuff like that wear nowadays I’m more like industrial music and stuff but I’m also moved into like rave music and stuff like that he’ll at my parties I know that I’m performing at I don’t play that kind of music at all I mean like at my parties I’ve got my own playlist that I made myself as customers shit it’s like you know Ludacris Lil Jon you know Rihanna 50 Cent I got this one remix from Nine Inch Nails and 50 Cent words like the Beat from Nine Inch Nails closer but it’s put to 50 Cent you know I go Shawty It’s Your Birthday we gonna party like it’s your birthday the girls love that song love it because the the beginning is just that Yeah Yeah Yeahs Nine Inch Nails closer all the kinky girls in the room instantly as soon as I beat drops they all perk up I’ll look at them and then all the girls that are just there to party and aren’t as kinky are going to recognize 50 Cent as soon as he comes in go Shawty It’s Your Birthday they start singing along to it and then just insert the bride’s name or whoever you’re giving a lap dance to go Britney and so I got so I’m wondering how do you end up with a lot of these if it’s not the birthday girl or I probably Hopewell you would hope not The Bachelorette but I’m sure you must get so many phone numbers and people throwing panties that you how do you manage all of all of the solicitation since you had skit you know as far as that goes I mean of course what I do what we do as male entertainers is meet me offer the ladies this new experience that many of them have not experienced before most of the women that I have never had any kind of male stripper experience aside from what they’ve seen from Magic Mike you know so when they have the full one experience of okay we’re from out of town we’re getting a hotel here in Nashville and they’re hiring a male stripper that never done this before and they’re kind of expecting like a Magic Mike type of thing and I show up and I’m doing the cop thing or the cowboy thing or being a doctor or you notate the delivery guy at fireman military hotel security bang on the door say something about a noise complaint and sit cream the blindfold the handcuffs body shots of fishing dollar bills about of their cleavage isn’t set they they haven’t experienced anything like that so I think that the experience for them is very opening and freeing and a very not only a new experience but it it opens them up in such a way sexually where it can be considered a sort of evolution for them and for the people that I dance for like I believe that evolution is spawned by having a variety of experiences and that includes sexually so like when they when they had this new experience that is it’s certainly got a sexual element to it with the stripping performance and all that that creates Evolution it creates change within them and I think that that experience can be such a positive thing for them that yes I mean they they definitely like to talk to me afterwards but what happens from that point forward like after I’m done performing is my own discretion like you know I typically just choose to be a professional I told him if they want to book me again you know go to the to my booking agent website they can request me again for the next party and everything so I don’t usually I mean I might have to take their phone number but it doesn’t mean that I’m going to call them necessarily at that point forward whatever I do is my decision and it’s entirely up to me what happens with any of them well so I like to be a choice is what I’m saying only man that’s cool you have obviously you’re not well this is this is so I just didn’t because you know I’ll put it in a couple of my thoughts than in size which is that like we’re in totally opposite ends of a spectrum of providing new like you said like evolutionary erotic sensual experiences for women and kind of activating a deeper energetic sort of Pathways that they haven’t had no access to and in that bringing that presents which you’re not going to find you know right now in a man who is not really moving that she’s so you know in the words of the you know that I am the fuel I’m in is a timeshare thing that you’re doing and you’re actually having this like deep energetic Awakening affect and your butt without without calling it that without saying you have to do some spiritual you know refinement or paths really just direct experience of it so that’s very fascinating that’s absolutely man I agree with you on that like as far as it being like an opening an extensive kind of experience although of course I’m not going to be sitting there doing man Charles and meditation and breathing and shit with them like you like you would mention like the way that the way that I feel is that it’s up to me to do things like that you refer to it as being kind of like a tantric kind of experience which I wouldn’t disagree with that I wouldn’t I probably agree with that to an extent yeah I mean like but as far as it being an Awakening kind of experience for the women that experience made it’s up to me to do the work within myself to bring myself to my eyes potential so that I can create space for the women to have an experience like that which would not be possible if I myself was not in tune and in touch with what I’m doing and that it’s it’s from that place within my soul that I create experiences for the thousands of women that I’ve danced for for them to have that and in that sense you could say that it’s like a piece of me goes out with that if you know what I mean that’s beautiful what this another ironic thing is it since I have been sort’ve called to have a presence in Las Vegas I started teaching contract like the mantras and meditation and the Serta sacred dancing at a at a pole Fitness Studio to try to experiment with that Alchemy of the you know the energies and and it’s been really cool and I feel like you know the the way that I can see I just got to say man you got to have brass balls to be able to go out the world and bring that you know just as a one-man unit but I guess you built it up with with your crew for while he starred in the club so by the time you did that you know on your own you were pretty confident but are you have you thought about like opening some sort of maybe not you know maybe not a full-on Academy but just starting having a like a a training program for men to get on this cuz I would love to see more guys like you you know out there I’m sure there’s a lot there’s a lot doing it but you got a perspective on it but I’d love to see you know the sort of franchise if you will if you’re into that is a sunny thought about like training yeah I haven’t I haven’t there’s an old pimp saying the game is to be sold not told this is one of the first times that I’ve really opened up and talked about the male stripper industry-wide candidly the only other time would be the closest thing to what you’re talking about I was interviewed for a book that came out a thing two years ago it’s called behind the G string Dion’s Guide to Becoming a male stripper by D on the tarvis I believe that it’s out on Amazon right now my head like I think it’s seven or eight page interview in that book or I was talking about you know my history and a little bit about the industry and stuff like that but that’s about the closest I’ve come simply because the right people have not approached me granted a lot of the dancers that I used to work with libero and pole dancing together with and stuff like that has contacted me asking me for this and that but you know it’s it’s all about how do I put this it’s all about what seems right at the time I guess you know when and I’ve done a whole hell of a lot to help the dancers that I’ve come up with and many others that I’ve met along the way you know you guys got in a lot of dancer is going to different websites hook him up with different people I broke one guy into the porn industry years ago five six years ago and he’s still thriving in the porn industry today started a after-hours male stripper show at a Female Strip Club hear it downtown that used to be open it’s closed since then it was called Gabrielle’s VIP Club and I started in after I wear show their of course that’s not around anymore cuz they’re not around all the things like that you know if behind people and posters Flyers hook him up with photographers and things like that but I’ve never actually trained anybody and especially not in the realm of Consciousness and creating a very evolutionary conscious impact on the women and the city’s there for that we danced for just the right opportunity hasn’t really presented itself to me well yeah I mean I think this conversation is going to be a disorder of the something that I’m putting together you know with with some pretty some of my most respected elders and mentors of all genders really is like a a kind of a very diverse educational training system that’s going to essentially license male lovers to start with licensing male lovers where they will have had to complete a number of your assignments and in training modules and whatnot in order to be considered presentable to women in it and is safe and sacred lovers so now that we’re having this conversation I realize that they need more than just the sexual health you know medical sort of training about how to have safe sex you know how to you know practice the ancient loving Arts of pleasing a woman you know sexually in bed and emotional intelligence but this aspect of like you need to be able to bring out your tiger and be able to actually run this this this energy and N B A Dancer I mean it’s I believe that it’s a beautiful day man I really do what you were just talking about I Believe That We’re Men the populist of mainstream male population 21st century United States where we are consciously as men in relation to our love lives and how we relate to women is so backwards it is sickening we’ve been taught this false and twisted Paradigm through the mainstream media through billionaires that are out there I don’t give a fuk about any of us man through the the rappers in the rock stars in the excess that you see on on MTV and bet and VH1 and the list goes on man nobody’s been taught exactly what you’re talkin about how to not only truly understand women how to feel into them and feel with them and to guide that experience into something very opening and and for everybody’s Grove something that is practically non-existent and I’m so thankful that you and I are golf on this path and that we’re having this conversation because God dammit this needs to spread you know we’re going to collaborate and so tell us a bit about your your DJ your DJ stuff to oh yeah mean as a DJ I mean I’ve never it’s not exactly related to my stripping career as of yet but yeah I mean I do DJ I’ve spent a couple of years just doing my own thing as a solo artist in the studio doing mostly on electronic and Industrial Music and then I crossed over from being a purely Studio entity into focusing on a live show being a DJ and I’ve been doing quite well with that I got my DJ setup believe it or not as a birthday present my last birthday when I turn 26 thankfully Maya I was kind of low on cash at the time and I just brought it up with my mother and I said you know I’d really like to be a DJ and if you’re thinking of something to get me for my birthday intense I would really like some money to put toward the DJ setup and I’m so thankful that they were able to support me in that way because I use the money that they’ve given me and bought myself a bad ass setup and I had a producer here in Nashville Robinson he’s a fucking man you know like I’m not good with computers but he is and he installed all my DJ Sid and my software and all that tractor and tried to Pro in all that machine and so yeah like right now the place that I most often perform at as a DJ would be at this BDSM dungeon that we have just outside of downtown Nashville called The Mark it’s a members-only BDSM dungeon I’m currently a member there so it was not hard at all to get a gig there lyrics like I already know the owner of the place so I just have to say hey Mercury dude I’m starting to spend electronic and Industrial Music and I’m getting pretty good can I can we have a night where I just set my shit up in spin ball everybody starts fucking and getting freaky in the dungeon. Doing all sorts like S&M torture and shit like that and he said hell yeah and I said hell yeah and he said hell yeah back and you know who also said hell yeah was everybody else who showed up for that submissive at the time was there she got to see it in that was the first time that I’ve ever performed in front of people as a DJ was actually at the dungeon the only person who knew at the time that that was like I didn’t actually tell the owner or anybody there that this is my first time performing in front of anybody and I did it for our set while they were getting yeah well they were getting freaky and lots of S&M type of stuff people getting locked up into cages and being tortured with electric cross people being strapped down in the surgical tables and dentist chairs and Gynecology cherries and people getting tied up to the big ass X another cross that we’ve got in the in the dungeon and getting whipped and flogged with that you know girls beating guys guys beating on girls girls getting gangbanged lesbians going at it and he’s sitting there for four fucking hours this I mean I’m already used to seeing that since like I said like I’m a member at that place but then there is a new level of Rush that that gives me and that I tend to channel through myself through my set through the mix through the speakers where I take that Rush that I feel and I spread it through the dungeon so that all the people there can feel as I feel through the music and that is such a blessing and a rush to me because I see everything they’re doing I can hear their screams of orgasm of pain from the masochist and sadist that are there just everybody like partying people getting all over each other at the mark and a really getting into it and then I’m I feel like a maestro like I feel like an orchestrator like I’m orchestrating the soundtrack to what’s happening side play this you know heavy like all remix you know by Combichrist all remix a lot of like you know sitrans kind of music and stuff like that you know Nine Inch Nails a lot of you know random as you know stuff that I’ll also throw in there too remix and stuff like that while the people are really getting into it and having their own sexual experiences that’s you know but maybe someday I’ll integrate being a DJ into being an exotic dancer which I haven’t done like I’ll be honest like I’ve only been DJing since my birthday which is August 25th it’s now the day after Memorial Day 2016 so like but I’m on my way man like I’m doing remixes of old songs that I’ve done before I started crossing over into being a DJ like I did all that stuff anyway let’s that’s that’s being that’s being a DJ like it it’s it’s it’s a mind-expanding and very opening and sexual experience for the people to get to experience me as a DJ in that dungeon setting now I’m taking that energy and spreading it in two different clubs that I’m starting to get booked for as a DJ things like that are in the works right now but it’s taking that same energy that sexuality that rushed that that I’m learning how to channel Within Myself and to push it like out of myself and into the mix so that the people feel it like you can get down you can you know like I’m starting to talk now about performing at some of the regional Burning Man festivals near where I live you know there’s lots of regional festivals we’ve got Serendipity here in Tennessee we’ve got Euphoria and Alchemy in Georgia we’ve got Transformers in North Carolina all sanctioned by burning man and so like I’m getting to the point where I’m I’d like to take that same energy and spread it into the Burning Man community so that they can have the same kind of experience themselves while while they’re in that place and that’s who is a gift that I like all for everybody and I considered a real blessing and an honor to do that wow this is examining your there’s techno shamans isn’t is it worth neo-pagan techno Shaman sexual Shawn Mendes like I never heard that yeah it’s it’s it’s been around for awhile you know that the people who followed Terence McKenna are often like in this romance with the potential of Technology Timothy Leary was big into VR you know stuff so it’s like this idea of being able to walk for one like map The Invisible landscape with digital technology and you know virtual reality be able to actually be talking about some of the same things were encountering in the astral you know planes and put this in the Sonic engineering that’s helping with psytrance and the 432 music kind of Revolution it’s like there’s so many like you’re in a real powerful really rich like powerful you know Wizardry sorcery position and everything isn’t yeah because it that you know that this interesting Alchemy I’m seeing what you’re doing because the the burner let’s say like the Neo techno Shaman Pagan burner world that super you know evolve in Consciousness about diet Health well-being spiritual hygiene purification chakras yoga Tantra psychedelics there’s all that knowledge and wisdom is being cultured in that in that container and then and I’ve been I’ve been walking between the worlds for many years to so I can you know as you’re talking like I know those vibes in the mic and then I go to play parties like Dungeons and I’m like wow they’re accessing this psych Exorcism of the Shadow they’re like really getting into their their hidden parts and their their shamed parts and their childhood wounds and their there they’re creating a safe space to explore you know they’re there a new all of the energy but then you go over to the food tray and it’s like Oreos and Chips Ahoy in your lap I need to go to you know one of these other types of meetups to to absorb some of that like the Aftercare aspect it’s like I love to see the shamanatrix recently on the podcast and that you don’t call yourself a professional dominatrix she’s bringing in wisdom of shamanism and assertive you know that these other holistic modalities of healing and the Kink aspects so it’s like okay let’s dig up all of this you know a gnarly sort of demonic like in Crested painful wounding from the culture in from Child sick to be the only person that actually uses that word I’ve never called gnarly ass pasta tonight you want something like that and then you know own whatever is that you really want to keep and then actually courage and solve and send you know cast into the abyss what you don’t want but it’s like see if you imagine bringing the Burning Man like crystal grid sacred geometry dance for alter back into least like in the middle of a dungeon it could be a room within the dungeon that’s kind of like the Aftercare like you know chill out how they got the all-night Dark Side just like masculine pounding alien and you know Madness and then you get the Comedown of the morning sets and the Trancy Prague experience so this is all deep in some of these Nashville I mean I’m in Sin City and you’re in Nashville what are we going to bring some some serious Rick and you’re in Sin City now we’re into yeah yeah I’m going to have to figure out we got to have this experience that mean I think since you’re producer and your DJ everything like you should at start channeling like some archetypal track that you’re going to sing on and make the beach for and like tell the story of like how you going to replicate yourself like this is tell your story might make it attractive that will make a music video and during a bachelorette party giving lap dances and working the crowd and everything getting all the ladies you know crazy and everything and then film it an amazing idea I’ve never done that before but I fucking love no guarantees whether or not I’ll do it or not but it’s a great idea and who knows man on my fucking run with it volunteers if you know this I want to I need to get in that world my man you’re in the middle of goddamn since it if you take your energy and bring tear into the middle of buckle of the Bible Belt Middle Tennessee I mean I love where I live I love Nashville this is my hometown but God damn it this whole thing about being conservative and everything is in my opinion it’s it’s a real it’s not true the whole thing that you spend some time in the underbelly of buckle of the Bible Belt Nashville Tennessee no find out just how you know so called Pure and conservative the people here really are that is a whole different story of the saying that you’re talking about being from Sin City nowadays I go by Zane my original stage name was actually Vegas dancing right there in Sin City and call yourself you can call yourself in Vegas Boyson City but you’re also naming yourself after you might have to work on that one that is working progress but you know what if you’re going to do what you got to be the contrast was like what I’m doing here in Nashville dance right yeah I put it on it yeah I I I have a interesting sort of likeness to let’s say let’s call him mr. Magdalene mr. Magdalene is my slippers you know tantric way of flipping the script on on the Bible so we’re talking about we’re talking about the the Gospel of Thomas and the Mary Magdalene you know gospels in the Dead Sea Scrolls where there’s more information about the Hanky Panky that was going on you know but damn straight in a sentence grandma gave me a little bit of that old Hanky Panky when I went to give her a lap dance she would be the one to use that word Hanky Panky but did you pull it off very very bold about 2 where to go or is L Word of Mouth or how do we how do the listeners that gets you a you know oh boy I mean I’m all over the Internet I’d rather not use this podcast as a platform for me to self promote with myself I would do this what it’s all about don’t be shy there’s no reason not the way that things are going right now like I’ve got to work where I’m doing just fine right now I’m practically over boat but you can find me look let’s let’s just be very simple about it if ladies want to book me and they are in or near Tennessee we’re talkin Alabama Kentucky I think the last time that I performed a long ways away was about 6 weeks ago in Cape Girardeau Missouri to the little Club gig out there if you’re anywhere in the Southeast near Tennessee just about every website that books melster excuse me that books male strippers for bachelorette parties in private parties and even Club gigs on already connected with they would find you in on ya like Z8 yeah like that’s my stage name is Zane just about every website that books male strippers in and near the Nashville area weather my pictures are on the website or not chances are I’m connected with them and chances are most of them I’ve been with for years at this point some of the companies I’ve actually help build up before they got big at this point it’s if you want Zayn and you’re anywhere near Nashville or Tennessee just go on the internet hit up any you know who I had just just ask for Zayn you’re going to have to work for it that’s what I’m going to do I’m going to make you work for it ladies at work right now I don’t know if this makes me think like as far as you know my my entrepreneurial you know mine says how do you scale yourself beyond your locality is like well what about Skype and webcams I mean is that is there any kind of market for that or the you know I mean for Skype and webcam I mean I do webcamming you know of a lot of guys just do it a lot of guys and gal everybody does is it’s real you know you know I was in that market for a short while we’re talkin years like five six years ago I was in that market pretty part time but you know I know that industry fairly well. Pretty well-connected what I will say as far as what you’re talking about webcam and using the internet as a platform to hustle and work and make money you know if you’re talkin about working as a male dancer and you want to make some extra money while you’re not dancing through the internet I say the best thing to do is Market with other dancers and ask them what other websites they know like website administrators that do webcam interactive websites I didn’t hear that sexy jobs.com on nowhere on the internet that does anything pornographic like that a whole a whole range of things actually in the end. Anymore at least you know adult films but yeah I’m interested cuz I think you know if you can if you’re not being able to grow you know or able to get on assignments like you might it be if if if you have like a a training program than you could you know just facilitate people to to get into this cuz it seems like he’s a lot more a lot more sustainable than 4 in any way for lottery reasons like I like I like this direction you know nothing about what you just said sustainability no stripping unless if you work at a strip club weight were okay like let’s say if you live in a major city Nashville California Atlanta and you get hired to work at a strip club okay you can come back tomorrow next week next month and you are guaranteed that that strip club were will still be there so if you get higher you can keep coming back as long as you’re still in good standing and you can rest assured that your job is not going anywhere know if you get booked doing what I do this industry is not stable like I said I can tell you a whole hell of a lot about the the pornographic industry I was only there very very briefly like I can’t tell you very much about it I did get connected it didn’t last it it’s just not my cup of tea but I mean like it is no doubt like if you put your mind and body to it there is money to be made no doubt I would not be the one to ask about advice about that but what I say is that as far as being a dancer goes unless you work at a strip club it’s not a stable income I mean like I work when I get booked yeah okay so my my income depends entirely on being in demand which I’ve worked very hard towards being in demand and cultivating exactly what it is that they want being a good Entertainer and I’ve done very very well to very deeply route myself in this industry so that at this point I’m solid like at this point I’ve been with a lot of these different people for years and years you know built up their companies like they they know me I’ve given their companies many many five-star reviews like so at this point I’m not going anywhere I’m doing just fine but for anybody who’s up-and-coming like if you’re switching over from born into dancing it may not be that easy don’t do not quit your day job is what I’m saying like I don’t fucking listen to me having a drink with you and just talk in about this and that and just be like oh I think I’m just going to get into that and just dive headfirst into it no no no no no no and I do not want to be responsible for that don’t quit your day job unless there is a strip club in your city like if you live in a major city and there’s a major traffic going through that club you’re not guaranteed shit you know like the the websites were I’m on the girls see my pictures they see my name is Zane and they specifically request me okay now if you’re not in demand you’re not going to be requested so I get requested for my dig the girls look at my pictures and they read my bio and they say we want Zane and I make a very good I’ve done very well for myself in in that area but it wasn’t don’t I don’t want to mislead you or listeners into thinking that it’s an easy road to the top or that you can become sustainable at this overnight this is pure entrepreneurship it’s about it’s about being an entrepreneur it’s about being a sole proprietor of yourself being responsible for yourself and being confident in what you do not only as a dancer not only with your your body in your physique and your your son but also your your charm in talking to whoever you got to be able to walk into a room like literally I’m used to on a regular basis walking into hotel rooms filled with you know 10 some old lady’s maybe 20 or more women from out of town who I’ve never met in my life a lot of them request full nudity you know when you have to be confident that you can walk in there and you don’t know any of them you don’t know who they are you don’t know what they like you don’t know if they’re kinky or not you don’t know if they’re vanilla or if they’re conservative and walk in there and own yet is easier said than done and so I don’t want to I don’t want to mislead people into thinking that I just quit your day job become a dancer and it’s all hunky-dory from there it’s not like breakdown more details about my journey up to the top of mean we’ve talked about it for a few minutes and I’ll be working at a strip club and all that in from their gaining what it takes to really own a crowd but like if you go from working at a post office to working bachelorette parties where your job is to keep large groups of drunk girls entertained you may or may not be any good at it I don’t know why is it that you’re going to have to tell me anything is possible if anything is what am I going to do postal routine show up and be like a package for mr. Simpson what kind of boner in sticker shit right through that hole you put the bow tie man you got to like you know they got it a package to deliver at the music video be a post office worker and let you know bang on the on the fucking house party door and then like you know ladies answer the door and you say like package for mr. Smith and you’re holding you know I can post office thing with like a hole cut out at the bottom where you stick like your shaft through it my God that’s kind of like texted and then but the thing the thing about that is like with any with any costume whether it’s if you want to do like what you’re talkin about be a post office worker if you want to be you know I’ve got my doctor’s outfit I got my pizza delivery guy I’ve got Cowboy have gotten military I’ve got Police SWAT team fucking you name it man you know this isn’t over the years but you always want to make sure that whatever outfit that you’re wearing rips off very easily especially pants especially pans got to get you some custom-made a wreck away pants where make custom will custom full outfits for me but especially the other Breakaway pants are a crucial denominator in any male stripper outfit like okay you’ve you know you could go online and check out you know Magic Mike or or her or Chippendales ripping their pants off where you can be dancing whatever just be shirtless and then rip your pants off in the ladies go crazy if you work that ship well you know but it’s like there’s always a right and a wrong way of doing things and then when it comes to ripping your pants off like I’ve got an it it’s like it’s like being a good comedian and the punchline is that what counts when you rip your pants off that is a punchline and a punch is look what is in your fucking face baby cakes and I don’t know but I’ve been very tempted to wear my Breakaway pants in public some vanilla fucking lazy no-good like a pole or something and be like oh it’s so hot out here I should change into my Speedo velcro going all the way down the scenes of your pants man I’ve had some drag queens they are very very good at making outfits by the way drag queens I can’t say everything good about drag queens because I’ve had some bad stories by God damn it they know how to make a good fucking outfit especially anything that rips off those benches have some elaborate fucking dresses and outfits in leather pants and you know drag queens that you know like all the attitude and character and everything but it rips off in the clubs during their performances now you can hire a drag queen to make a pair of breakaway jeans or cop pants or in my case multiple pairs any any male dancer has to do this so you want to get like multiple pairs of brakeway Pansino different colors I’ve got a pair of you know white pants black pants cop pants Jeans you name it and but it’s got to have velcro going all the way down the side so you can just grab them and a rip and then the ladies go crazy but then afterwards you can be hanging out like after your performance be hanging outside in them up they want to give you a shot or whatever and then you got to Vino RI velcro your pants but them back together and then have to work the ladies Bowl invite me out if I’m not booked for another gig you know we might go bar hopping and I’m still wearing I’m still wearing my rip away pants and I still wear my velcro pants they’re well enough put together that nobody at the bar knows that I’m wearing rip away pants like they look like normal ass jeans and I go bar hopping I just partied up with the lady like partying with the bride in the Bridesmaids and we go to a bar and they all buy me a shot and everything and nobody would suspect it might jeans are literally held together by velcro they’re very well put together so you can tug on then we’ll talk about it section and they won’t fall apart but if you grab from the top adult yeah those work right off you going to have to talk to Dustin about adding that to the erotic superpowers package that the super is super Power Ranger that the superhero a stripper uniform that just rips off you can go in a phone booth you don’t have to go on the phone with and change you just rip it off right there and there you are a man you got your own never I’ve never I’ve never changed a new phone but it before and I had to make like Clark Kent going into Superman or some shit is conveniently at right here on the sidewalk I’m just going to walk in spin around and walk out haha look at me I’m the bad girls in the group has been naughty but that’s how you do that they got to love that that’s amazing wow man review your God damn you’re fucking Tanger pump man we’re going to we’re going to have some good times I can feel it right now so let’s listen to That’s it man I swear to God I’m going to make a good fucking remix for you yes you are larger than life my man and so were all of two people that are listening to this speaking of which hey are we are we live right now where is this is this is this is getting a little bump in your ear but if you don’t work they’ll find you man hopefully they will for listening we’re having a good fucking time just kick back we’re just going to serve some you know raunchy humor random drunk girl debauchery stories and oh boy I don’t know if you if you feel like asking random ass questions like it I can sit here talking about stories and Miguel on for fucking hours and hours this could turn into a 4-Hour fucking podcast and I wouldn’t even scratch the surface of all the shit that’s going on at my performances like he wouldn’t even believe all men so I you know I had since we’re about an hour I think let’s let’s call this one that you know the intro the intro session and then we’ll we’ll get into something to buy tree and a future episode I think this one stands alone to kind of give people a hit of like what they’re missing man seriously everybody’s like missing out I mean this is some seriously this sector of society that that that we don’t we don’t often really honor the seriousness they sort of well I’m giggling about it but then I realized how powerful this is in just a couple days like this should be mad I do plenty and I’ve been giggling myself this whole time I’ve been giggling my ass off talking about this and that not even answering any stories about brides and all the way we should pump stories crazy stories drunk story sexy stories bite stories drug stories whatever okay you don’t want to give him some I don’t want I want I think if we created such a positive image of it I’d like hesitant to want to you know go into it I guess as long as it’s funny you know no one gets hurt or killed then like how about some bloopers Antics debauchery like you no no I mean I don’t I don’t really have any depressing stories when I can sit here and think about it and remember like one is not a depressing job at the fucking rush like it’s hard to give somebody a lap dance and be depressed at the same time or conversely to receive a lap dance and be you know Interiors of her home so fucking said oh look at you sad Mike N B stripping at the same time it’s just like the lapdance is so much better when the stripper is crying I come right in that country song but that has not been my life experience I didn’t see no or female stripper crying during a fucking lap dancer pole dancing it’s it ain’t like that and if you’re going to cry then do it in your own time I mean like she falls in love with you and leaves her bride you know like you’re home you end up being a homewrecker and then he comes after you or something like that as far as this goes like there is I haven’t really experienced that but at the same time I’ve heard plenty of stories that are very similar but at the same time you know we’re talkin about being conscious and being a spawn for the evolution of humanity in society and for women and for men within ourselves for that matter so you know I’ve never had any stories were a woman wants to leave her man for me or wants to do anything that Betsy with this you would otherwise feel guilty about not that I haven’t had offers but like I mentioned earlier like it’s it’s all about feeling into her and then for that matter and being like okay look is certain sexual offers can happen certain things like that can happen things I could otherwise be devastating she might not tell me that she’s got a boyfriend or she’s married but you’ve got to be conscious and awake while you do something like this in unfortunately most exotic dancers I’m not going to say that they’re not awake but they’re not they’re not being at the door at the end of the day instead hundreds hundreds of bachelorette parties look she’s got a fiance she’s about to get married so many so many of my parties where there’s her mom might be right there in the crowd in the room with me her and her grandma like her sister often times like so many times I get booked in like it’s the bride sister that books me and you know she’s there always so cool they’re always super generous and nice and accepting like I’ve never really had any like bad stories with mothers or anything like that but other guys have and other female dancers I’m sure it had some horror stories that are that are along those lines but exactly you have to I guess the ceremony what you do exactly like I can’t just do what I do confidently I have to pull it off with the certain charm that makes everything that is happening at the time okay for everybody who’s in the room words look I mean and I’m sure that men who hire a female dancer can say the same thing to an extent but I think female dancers are less inclined to traumatize a male audience member as a male stripper great power comes great responsibility and there truly is a lot of responsibility that goes into this that you’ve got to be ethical man like a lot of times you know the women are you know they might be doing certain things that might be groping you or me or whatever I mean I’m not really strict about what happens during my show but at the same time I’m still very much in control of what happens especially as far as I’m concerned like you’re not having your way with them or taking advantage of their opportunity like any guy who gets into this industry because he wants to have his way with the women that he dances for will very very quickly and easily be sniffed out and will be eradicated from the industry women or not stupid like women are very very perceptive women can tell if you’re coming from a place of generosity with what you do or if you’re truly just there to to quote scores and pussy or something like when you come in with with with an attitude I’m here because I live to to give these women in Unforgettable experience then that’s what’s going to happen but when you come in like on the prowl so to speak. It’s going to be snipped out pretty quickly and you’re not going to get any good reviews you’re not going to get booked again probably and you may very well get blacklisted you know like I’ve heard plenty of horror stories not to name names of guys who have crossed the line and have raped a lot of women out where look at you can’t last in this industry and be that guy so to speak your natural teacher leader Mentor up in this is like you know I think I could say I honestly right now I’m seeing you like like the Dare program like you are speaking at every high school every High School like in America has you booked on a tour to like do sex ed for teenage boys about K you know you’re coming of age now I’m going to tell you how to be generous and not creepy and don’t be that guy mean easy lessons that everyone needs to learn about the art of partying it’s just like you know people getting tired already and I think it’s their one of the thrash metal part that sounds like a guide to being an exotic dancer the guide to professional partying you’re doing okay I love it that you know as as far as what we started tonight with this conversation I mean this is being recorded and y’all are going to hear this and this is planting the seeds for what could become something like what you’re talkin about like I said earlier like I’ve never gone to the lengths of actually training guys to to be gratifying to women and to give them these crazy experiences which we haven’t even gotten started on in this podcast but who knows but but to be able to do it in such way worth the women not only feel comfortable with it but find it enjoyable exhilarating and and for those that are listening especially the men if you take anything away from this conversation tonight remember this I’m sitting here talking about the male exotic dance industry and being that guy who’s creating those experiences for the women that I dance for and I’m speaking for my own experiences here but hear me out for a second you don’t have to be a professional exotic dancer to create experiences like that for women and conversely for women you know you you can be a free spirit you can create these exhilarating in free and expanding kind of experiences for all the people that you come in contact with you don’t have to be a pro you don’t have to have a network you don’t have to be working with club Owners and promoters and booking agents and photographers to to be that person this something that I was not always sexy I was not always confident I was you know for most of my life I was born and raised in a Christian very conservative very depressed environment that really choked out a lot of what I have to offer the world and it was up to me to awaken that within myself but not to be too cliche with the same but if I can do it anybody can do it but it’s true like in this case like you know not everybody nobody nobody is born in a sex icon or an erotic Rockstar or or a sexual Liberator or anything to that extent what do you want to talk about like this is something that starts within yourself before you think about giving these experiences to anybody you have to start by finding that Liberation within yourself and then from there you can spread that shit yeah to everybody that you interact with mother it’s a goddamn a crowd full of ladies that you dance for or a fucking somebody pick up a stranger today in fucking free their mind in a way that they you know because what what what I do as a professional is I create experiences for women 2 I mean I I create experiences that women have never had before and you don’t have to be a professional exotic dancer to be an experience that men or women have not had before you just have to find it within yourself it’s always been there we all have the power we are all connected We’re All Sons & Daughters of the most high and it’s up to us to to find that within ourselves tonight was a great seed that we planted and it’s only going to germinate from here and spread in you know maybe maybe we’ll do another podcast that gets into all the juicy stories and all that that are connected with this but like for tonight just take this way you don’t have to get into the industry or be a pornstar nothing to be that person like I had to I was forced to grow this energy Within Myself where I was in more of the Doggy Dogg sink or swim get your ass on stage and get naked for everybody and force yourself to learn how to pole dance to entertain everybody and make money otherwise you go broke and you can’t pay your bills but you don’t have to throw yourself into the the Wolfpack so to speak like I did and exotic dancer the porn industry to be that way you can you can like you said work at the post office you can work a goddamn Pizza Hut liberating Force for all the people in the the humanity that you come in contact with everyday you can it all starts within yourself man and from there it just grows and like I said man like beginning of this podcast I didn’t think that I was even going to make the audition dance at a male strip club for some fucking reason whatever possessed the manager to think that I could dance in that I had to tencel apparently I had potential because six and a half years later here I am talking about it yeah like I don’t have to go that route you can do your thing you can be married you can have a girlfriend and be that Force for your partner or not if you’re single like do your thing but you can you can develop at energy that I did within yourself and it just it’ll rock your world and everybody else is you know what is it is it take home thing I’m like okay women have Victoria’s Secret and they you know and we eat there’s this expectation that they’re going to take initiative to you know doll themselves up and get sexy once in awhile and everything but like there’s not really a paradigm or a store or live permission unless you go to Cancun that’s a totally different subculture but just for the average person who is like doesn’t feel like that erotic Rockstar or that erotic superpowers you know having person the new paradigm shifts that are starting to come along I think they like if you’d figure out music that you like to dance to Just Dance and then buy something that you feel sexy and and dance in front of the mirror in the clothes that you feel sexy and and then you don’t bring that to your beloved or you know just cultivate that like I would sit in front of me actually I would just fucking sing and dance to Depeche Mode fucking you know , and he’s like to see this man couple weeks ago and then you gave me those two CDs of yours okay as soon as I got back to my hometown in Nashville and I got back from San Diego I put one of your CDs I believe it was cancer delic X orgasm dude before Depeche Mode Man start with pan torque on dude I listen to your CD and I swear to God like your music you can fucking you can fuck to that you can you can get tantric to that like I could I could listen to that and I could like it’s not the kind of music that I would rock out at a bachelorette party but I could and I could rock out on stage and pole dance to that kind of music and spitfire like I did in my early days of your kind of music I could we haven’t we haven’t gotten started on any of my stories you have done S&M sets onstage I was a Spitfire I’ve done this the fucking pains while I’m spinning around upside down on the pole with the fucking pains and shit going everywhere that God damn strobe lights in the Smoke machines and everything and try try doing that less than sober and you know why I’m up to the top of the pole where you can literally touch the ceiling like 30 feet up in the air you know flip upside down and you know he’s going everywhere in front of butt ass naked in front of you know 100 some-odd people and go from being her that I was you know that I started off as to that a week for those kind words and I think we’re both kind of like you know I’ve come a long way and let you know what it was what I’m saying about the Depeche Mode thing is like I built the confidence to develop my own singing voice and learn how to produce tracks and just do it all on my own because I would stance in front of the mirror naked rub fucking sesame oil on myself and like you know get really Central and basically take yourself on a date in like rock your own fucking body and your own scism to your own music that you like and then unlike worse to be reckoned with and if you if you drop on you know what a lot of gas you know like like I said before that’s the that’s something that you started yourself that’s something that anybody could start whether it’s Depeche Mode it’s goddamn you know I started off dancing to two Nine Inch Nails in a Rob Zombie and stuff like that you know Korn Freak on a Leash and lots of remixes to that and then since then created my own very professional series of different playlist that I dance to but yeah I mean look at it starts whether it’s whatever you feel sexiest in the most comfortable in and from there like considered a gift man like so many guys in so many girls have such low self-esteem that y’all y’all need to start reviewing yourself as a gift like what you have to offer is your fucking shit man like you got you got to learn how to cultivate that whether it’s erotic movement and motion to the music or whether it’s just a Persona or a presents like this can be a gift that you give to your next partner not even a partner just your next door neighbor like just by your presence just by the way that you make eye contact and say Hi how are you it’s so good to see you today you can carry that same presents that you cultivate through the naked dancing like you were talking about in front of the mirror and carry that energy within yourself that’s a whole nother topic on ways to get into that that’s all getting into the esoteric tantric and of course you and I could go on and on for hours and we’re both on students as far as being an exotic dancer goes absolutely yeah I mean like it’s all about and like I was mentioning before being a DJ I’ve learned as a DJ within that short. Of time that I’ve been doing this how to how to cultivate that energy and spread it whether it’s being a dancer whether it’s being a DJ and just consider it a gift man whether you go to The Burning Man festivals and give of yourself there whether you go to a party whether you Just Dance for your wife or girlfriend boyfriend and if you don’t even dance in front of somebody if you just learn how to cultivate that that energy just said orgasmic juicy delicious just give that you can work you could be a cashier and just welcome to Goodburger home of the Goodburger can I take your order God damn you got them tasty energy your you’re beautiful and it just ends right there you know you’re in love with life and love with yourself and absolutely amazing conversation I’m very glad that you won’t get to listen to this I don’t know if I don’t know if fucking two people are going to listen to this thing tonight or if we’re going to have a million 10 times the world’s population over goddamn Dick Cheney’s going to listen to this is going to be some bride that I dance for like 10 years ago and some random ass old dude that’s all I got a crush on me like that’s all thank you all for listening I hope that you will take this with you fucking listen listen to the shit that I was talking about man like you don’t have to be a professional to to offer what I have to offer just cultivated and give it man like it’s just going to evolve Man worth spreading Evolution right now these are the seeds of change this is the beginning of the paradigm shift and we are the fucking 99% the fucking hundred monkey finger whatever works were just making motherfukers grow and that’s a beautiful thing and thank you so much pain we will be in touch very soon blessings and California thank you all for listening Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episode if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Sacred Pole Dancing with Makeda Smith TPP52

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In this episode I discuss the art form and spiritual path of sacred pole dancing with Makeda Smith a high priestess of the pole dancing community and successful self-made entertainment industry publicist.

To learn more please read her bio below and visit her websites:

From http://flyingover50.com/

Blessings ~ After operating my pr agency, Jazzmyne Public Relations for over 20 years I crashed financially in 2008, losing about a dozen real estate properties, my house, my cars, my dog and my man. But I Am still here and the pole as been an instrumental axis sustaining me.

I started poling when I turned 50. I am 55 now and getting younger by the moment. I hope to inspire people, but especially women and particularly older women, because it is true, we can do any thing we put our minds, heart and spirit into!

Visit my pr agency site at www.jazzmynepr.com

And also please take a spin at Pole World News – we write a monthly column there !

Makeda ~

Let’s dance dammit!

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello David Lebovitz welcome to Township on podcast episode number 52 I’m doing a Skype interview here with Makita Smith who is going to Enlighten us and tell us all about her life and practice of sacred pole dancing which has some synchronicities in my life that that I’ll mention briefly before we get started with basically I’ve been called to bring my Tantra training instructor and counselor training to practice in Las Vegas and some people would say it’s you know the pain away it’s the belly of the beast of the place that needs the most sexual healing and Enlightenment and where there’s the most power to transmute the wealth of the billionaires of the world who come here to experience sex defied women kind of porn if I had sex if I’d women in in so icky leverage point to begin to reverse that those patterns of abuse and exploitation I have a huge shadow what betta breeding the candle to the darkness and bring some sacredness to the to the community here so that was my my long intro to kind of frame this and so Makita I would love for you to go wild and tell us your whole life story and how you got to on this path cuz you’re definitely a high priestess of the Sacred pole dancing bless you and thank you and bless you and have a say thank you for finding me on the web and having me on your show and that’s like amazing synchronicity just like wow I’ve been pole dancing for 5 years now I started at the age of 50 and I just turned 55 and it’s been the most amazing adventure ever I am a pole at it years ago that I will be pole dancing in my fifties if I had gone to agree there and he told me I was in my fifties I never ever ever would have believed it that was just sounded like the most craziest thing in the world sometimes I even look at my pictures and my video of me told dancing and it just blows my mind something that’s totally transcendental okay so how did I get started on pole dancing to pole how did I even come across pole dancing yeah and if you want the other the kind of background on your career path in public relations I run my business for almost 30 years I think it’s 28 years now and I’ve always had a home-based operation I’ve never been to the office, not to work so when I started my business I was a single parent mom I was working for someone else and I decided I wanted to spend more time at home with my child by the side start working at home and interesting thing is this was back in 1988 people told me I was crazy and see if you can’t work from home your Hollywood publicist you have to be on SunSetter Hollywood Boulevard is this will never work and now here it is almost 30 years later and it’s the trendiest things working home everyone works at home everyone wants to work at home businesses pay you to work at home and then I didn’t know what I was doing getting out with norm and I say that because I always feel like I’ve been like ahead of my time and kind of a trendsetter and so was also kind of the same thing with pole dancing like my started pole dancing like yours for like crazy lady have you lost your mind and now here it is 5 years later and people like you are contacting me to be interview yeah so it’s pretty cool okay so I’ve been a problem since I have two daughters I raise doing publicity I work in the entertainment business so I’ve always been a little freaking out of the box because you know the in whole entertainment feel this kind of just out there No Holds Barred in 2008 I experienced what is that the Dark Night of the Soul has lasted for about I think it lasted for about 2 years I have been turned off into the real estate market he always going well if I bet you’d off in the real estate and I was doing really good in real estate and actually I actually own 12 real estate investment properties life was just Grand and then long story short the market crashed oh my God I crashed with it I say I was a queen who lost her entire Empire I lost everything my man who I thought was the love of my life literally walked out on me and never looked at my house. Ford close the IRS audit file for bankruptcy my car got repoed I have to give my my by trustee dog my Rottweiler Jaja a way like I live in the hit rock bottom I was literally homeless I had to go stay with relatives and friends and try to rebuild my life it was the most traumatic thing I really seriously contemplated leaving the planet but I told myself I couldn’t leave the planet one because I had daughters and I couldn’t just deserve them and to I knew I rested on the shoulders of ancestors with God through much more and if they survived I just had to survive so every day I will wake up and stay in Still I Rise what was the hardest thing I ever did I don’t know turn in a role in my life you know where the only I’ve always had the Creator I’ve always had the most high but this was like this is like a real test because I really had nothing but God God is like nothing literally nothing I can’t even explain it was like it was really that dark night of the Soul where you don’t have anything at all you can do is just resting God okay so I end up losing my home which was out in the desert Antelope Valley in quartz Hills and I had to come I haven’t I move back to LA and I actually ended up living in living in the city of Hollywood I’ve never lived in Hollywood have always just on the outskirts of Hollywood so this was traumatic for me baby in the belly of the beast in Hollywood living off of Hollywood Boulevard in an apartment apartments in like 30 years old my God talk about trauma bestow like oh my God angels I know you’re with me while I’m walking down the street but why and how did I get here life of living in Hollywood like you said in Vegas when you’re actually in the belly of the Beast what was it on Vine between Hollywood and Vine which is more famous popular Hollywood Street because I walk everywhere when I was looking at Hollywood and this was like an Angelic experience I’m walking down the street Hollywood is really crazy and buzzing buzzing and bubbling and dance this woman she’s older white woman and she’s like she’s got to be like in her sixties or something right she’s she’s doing splits on the sidewalk and there’s a photographer taking pictures of her and she has blonde hair and she and I want Pastor and God oh my God she’s so cute and she so fabulous like she’s walking next like she’s walking next to me like you know you just walking down and she’s next to me and I go oh my God and she and I started this whole conversation my name is Mada Mada and Makita are derivatives of the same name that’s the first Xfinity she was 73 at the time my God she told me that she started poldent know she started excuse me she’s sorry yoga in her forties and that’s why she was still limber and had her youthful effervescence appearance to this day and I can’t oh my God size classes and get my life maybe I need to go to almost in my 50s some like it’s not too late maybe maybe I should look into yoga anyway she and I became friends but still friends to this day and Shiba left me while we were on the corn is hawking before we exchange numbers she told me that when did she tell me my name Makita meant infinite meant forever youthful Everlasting and when she said that to me like it really felt like the angel speaking to me through her and I just started crying I was like oh my God I’m sitting here on the corner of like Hollywood and Vine in tears Kristin Francy to say she’s over in English but because of her I went to take a yoga class the last time I had taken of yoga class was when I was in school in Boston like in my 20 so I can see yoga class it was cool but it was like a whole hour of yoga Namaste Yoga is boring but I got to find something else and one of those Living Social Groupon deal for pole dancing to mine I have a client if you might actually want to interview him in the future you are amazing my science is his name is hypnotika and hypnotika lives in San Diego and he also runs a gentleman’s club and I remember I was doing some PR for him and I was at his gentlemen’s club and I remember watching one of the strippers and she just blew my mind she was like oh my God I was just like this woman is a living goddess up there on a pole doing magic and I was like looking at her when tuning into her and saying oh my God to be able to do that must be amazing like I can ask I would never be able to do that in a hundred years right and I was like I don’t know what the heck let me go take a class I can afford it it’s a Groupon if I only take one class is really no money lost I went and took that class and I was hooked from the first class I was just hope there was like I hate to make this analogy but it was like if somebody takes a drug in a drug is so good they just got to go back and get more of that class was like oh my god I’ve got to come back and take more pole dancing classes where has this been all my life is just it just a terribly opened up something inside me nobody knows Capricorns we’re driven it was kind of you know we we we went once we put our mind on something we have to do it we have to conquer it we have to be the best of it so most people probably take Cole dancing classes once a week I went on between LivingSocial and Groupon I found every pole dancing schupan I could find for the next year old classes a week and I I did it totally off of living social Groupon and I didn’t the different Studios all around La and I was upset and it was only fits it just gave me life because one the living social deals made it affordable for me cuz I’m still regrouping from losing everything and to it just gave me life I was in the Beast of the belly trying to figure out what the heck is going on I’m a queen whose lost her Empire and I’m trying to find my way and pole dancing as an exercise as an art as a religion it kind of got a pass because it was considered art well does it have to be considered art for it to be okay or not can it be something other than ours but still pictures of of naked people and pictures of naked people doing particular things whatever that may be even if someone or many or most people might not consider that art does that mean that it’s now no longer okay and no longer permitted or can it still be permitted even though you wouldn’t call it art does art have to be the standard by which something is being pornographic or erotic or just accepted right I think that’s getting into that Miller test standard that doctrine of it’s it’s it’s not obscenity if it can be proved to be artistic and or educational or having some cultural value and that’s this kind of is as as much of a of a precise tool is is is that you can get I guess with that Miller test but yeah and even with that just on its face that could be Gene to include everything because seeing anything that you haven’t seen before has an educational component to it oh I’ve never seen this before maybe it’s okay to do that or now I see this in that’s not something that I want to do that’s not something that I think is something that would feel good to me to do or to have someone do to me or for me to do to someone else so why don’t want to do that but it’s now out of the closet and I one of the things especially in this last decade and especially the last few years as a sexual orientation and sexual identity have come into the Forefront of of color of Western culture certainly but across the across the worlds as well and also the political Spectrum as homosexuality has been been increasingly accepted and gay marriages are now legal in many states and people are also looking not only at homosexuality but transexuality or whatever whatever terminology you want to use for that that wouldn’t be offensive because that too is a burgeoning area where many people are offended by certain term so I I’m sorry if any of the terms that I that I’ve said my sound defensive to someone but it’s just about someone sexuality and what is it is that okay can that be out of the closet can we accept it does it to be regarded and tossed as dirty and unacceptable and other kinds of sex negative and identity identity negative things these are all things that we’re wrestling with and none of them are easy sounds like we need people like you being the guidance counselor and therapist for families at that level more than legislation that just forces things underground because as long as people have a demand for whatever is out there it’s going to be produced on the black market you know no matter what so and you know there’s there’s a they call it the the shadow internet or the others all that accessibility there so I think I think we definitely agree on all of his stuff so if let’s just say kind of walking through you have a family coming in there and you know that the teenage boy is experiencing erectile dysfunction and sort of unable to bond and make human romantic age appropriate connection because of a addiction to whatever you want to call it but a mediated form of sexual access right and so let’s hold on their addiction and that totally muddies the water that’s and if she has an addiction I’m sorry if he has an erectile dysfunction that’s based on some kinds of sexual addiction there’s kind of a contradiction in that so I would have to find out more about that and then to understand that better I’d have to inquire with him as much as I can while the parents aren’t there to inhibit what he’s going to tell me of what he sees as an erectile how he understands it how he defines it what his view of what’s normal is our end is that an accurate view of what’s normal and to be expected or not and by the same token what is this thing he’s talking about as some kind of addiction to pornography and what are the behaviors that are involved in that and how does he understand how that may be connected or may not be connected to what he’s talking about with some kind of erectile dysfunction those are not all straight lines there are winding paths and we have to follow the path if we are going to understand the person that were talking to if I’m going to understand the person I’m talking to you no hear my office is in Beverly Hills but I see people from all over there some people who were from next door there are other people who drive an hour in 2 hours to get to me so there’s no there’s no quick and simple answer about the people that I’m seeing and it being a select group it’s really a Melting Pot of people and I can’t make the assumptions about who you are unless I talk to them and that’s where I start is help me to understand you my my focus says I’m working with people is not trying to teach them though I know there are psychologist and psychotherapist who to focus on teaching people my focus is more on helping people to understand them and helping people to sort out what’s going on in their mind and how that connects to their life experience their understandings of themselves in the world of their relationships with other people and who they can be who they can’t be what to expect in the world so that’s where where I start with people is helping them to to let me know who they are and and that certainly applies with all issues about sex and sexuality and images of sex and sexuality okay well yeah thank you for that I’m feeling your your approaches it feels like if we all had that level of care and concern in and space to really create our own narratives that would be a way to solve a lot of our own problems with the bit of help so I appreciate that approach and that was kind of the sort of statistical archetypal stereotype of what’s of what how how you know several of the factors of how young men and boys are being harmed by something that they’re not that they actually end up being very uncomfortable with and want to seek help for inner creating their own sources for that there’s the nofap movement I’m not sure if you’ve heard of that but through set of what it’s coming down to is the extreme you know negative outcome of excessive use according to their own you know their own gauge of it and then if we look at I’ll just give you another kind of case study type example but the other equation for consumio young consumers of pornography young consumers erotic media getting there to leave the pornography tournament the door thank you email to talk about sexual images andronic images but that doesn’t mean that they are pouring and then it’s a question of what are the images the people are looking at you know there are there’s a lot of stereotype of those images are being filled with violence and leading to violence but that’s only a very small segment of what’s out there in the world of sexual imagery whether it’s videos or Stills and and the same thing with with rose there’s a whole world of sexual images that are all about love and are about sex being shown in very loving tender and unsatisfying ways but often that doesn’t get into the dialogue around porn was looking at the let’s say the Straight female certified sexual initiation process which happens to everyone and so a complaint that’s heard often is that you know I’m a teenage girl and all the boys are essentially behaving like they’re possessed and all they want to do is you know penetrate my anus in a way that has no real train skill or care concern or lubrication or all of the things that would be considered best practice is to explore that area and then they’re like this is a porndemic because I can’t find a young male to you know deflower me who I don’t feel really terrified by what’s going on in erotic imagination so is that something that you have had to answer questions about or deal with or confront cuz that’s the other sort of end of the spectrum of harm that’s certainly there and that then raises the question where do people get their sex education from where they get their sex education from about what’s normal and what if what they see on the internet is the only place that they are are learning about sex and that’s a very skewed you about what sex is what sex should be and there’s something about that that needs to be changed not from birth on the internet but to bring other people to to those kids education and part of part of that has to do with most of the sexual imagery that’s online is there for males and there’s not that of sexual imagery without fear for females so it certainly there but people do have to be looking for it more and for many of the boys growing up who who see sex on the internet that’s what they often might see but that doesn’t mean that that’s what’s normal and they’re also places on the internet where they can get more loving for Trails how that can be done and whatever sex acts someone might be looking for or inquiring but another part of this which I don’t want to just let Slide by under dress has to do with your talkin about the girls responses to to the boys I efforts to have sex and what they’re wanting and that has to do with what boys and girls and what adolescents grow up with about their own sexuality and what’s normal and what’s not normal and what’s okay and what’s not okay we’re still in a time when adolescents have the mindset that that boys should be the ones to initiate girl should not initiate and that puts all of the burden on on the boys and it sets up a dynamic between the boys and the girls wear and what kind of like you said the girls are saying well all he wants is to have sex and he wants to have it this way well let’s start with you all he wants is to have sex part and so why isn’t there more of an equality between boys and girls where they’re both wanting to have sex and they’re both seeing sex as something positive from an early age because the alternative is that is too kind of demon eyes the boys for wanting to have sex and the girls aren’t really wanting sex they’re just wanting to be loved and that is a whole dynamic between boys and girls between men and women that I think is really important part of all of these relationships that we need to take another look at it I mean it was addressed many years ago in certainly in the psychological literature one of the people that was looking at that was Wilhelm right back in the 30s about the sex negative view that was in society and there’s your dad still there we haven’t really gone all that far from that especially compared to how we think we’ve come miles and miles but it’s really only a few feet right like you’re saying there’s so many unspoken hidden Frameworks that are not being addressed like you know how to speak from experience when I was when I was a boy coming-of-age into my hormonal sexual self I was afraid to go up and write something on the chalkboard or point something out in the map because I had a tent pole in my pants cuz I was very turned on by the teacher or somebody else in the class and there was no masturbation room to go take care of myself at home or at school so we’re just not designing for this energy to flow through our cultures and you were living with the fear of being exposed as being a sexual / and being ridiculed for it in ways that girls never work but that’s the typical experience of growing up mail right and having as a dynamic between males and females in that very tender. Of age right so we’ve got a few minutes left I really appreciate your insights and I think I’m at a point where I feel like the way to frame this discourse is that it’s pouring is not a Public Health crisis or public health hazard sexual holistic sexuality education is in the lack thereof is the Public Health crisis and exactly more of the Public Health crisis is about sexual repression sexual oppression about teaching teaching people generally but especially teaching girls that sex is dirty and teaching girls that boys are bad for wanting to have sex that if everyone kind of grew up on an even playing field of seeing sex as positive seeing love is positive and being able to talk together about about those things to talk together about love to talk together about sex to talk together about what you want and what you don’t want and that’s okay we will be in a very different environment than we are today there is to be a new political office of a quote horns are not to be confused with torrent star that person was to be open-minded enough to take some direction and possibly offer to hire you to consult what kinds of programs designs no just outlines you know big picture thinking you know if you were to be able to be respected for what you’re saying and it is a we want to address the issue of institutionalized sexual repression in so where do we begin to unravel that not this is just that you know food for thought and I think one of the places is to redefine the title and take pouring out of the picture but it’s not about pouring it’s about sexuality and sexual acceptance and how can we how can we bring sexual acceptance into the public dialogue and into into the educational system and into into the kind of dialogue that parents have with your kids that that seems to me to be a big part of that role of Tsar do I don’t know that that’s the right term but to to change the language that we talked about these things so we’re not talking about about about it with sex negative sex by a sex pejorative kind of language that skews things from the gecko and set and sets us up to lose from the very start right to the simple statement sexual aggression is the product of sexual repression so it’s going to come out in pouring it’s going to come out on prom night all of that pent-up frustrated aggressive certified you want to call it Satanic call it Satanic whatever you want to call but you can have to bring the light to the darkness and and get some help with that so I think the case is closed and I really appreciate what we’ve accomplished in this call setting some new terms for discourse and really putting the the family and the family therapist in the community and the school teachers more in a position of of leadership than political Lake litigation legislation and political offices so what I would add to that is in terms of where you started is to encourage parents know themselves to be honest with themselves to be honest with their own prejudices and biases to be honest with their own fears to be honest with their own misconceptions so they don’t pass them along to kids and to be able to listen to kids more than they talk to kids and to be able to have a dialogue rather than a lecture with their kids and that changes the relationship between parents and kids and helps kids to grow and to feel accepted beautiful beautiful all right thank you dr. schub so much and if you want to give your contact information so people can start to seek your help sure you can find me at actor Karl subs.com that d r c a r l s h u b s or one string calm and phone number is 310-772-0520 that’s local here in Beverly Hills great thank you so much have a wonderful day take care you to thanks very much. Please go to www. R2park.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Damas de