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Sex, Drugs & Mostly Yoga with Kara Leah Grant TPP211

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In this episode I’m joined by a brave and courageous tantrika who shares a love for psychedelic spirituality and has been on a path of evolution set in motion by powerful transcendent drug experiences.

She shares her intense story of spiritual growing pains, navigating love and relationships, tantric initiation, and ultimately owning her power to teach and transmit the practices of tantra.

We talk about the differences between Yoga and yoga, the role of asanas and tantric practices in the path of self-realization and liberation, neo-tantra vs. classical tantra,  the role of psychedelics in aging and maturing spiritual practice, the interplay between the chakra system, the nervous system, and the endocrine system, the intersections of biomedical science and tantric art and science, and much more!

About Kara-Leah:

Born and raised in New Zealand, Kara-Leah is an internationally-renowned retreat leader, teacher and author. She has impacted millions of people over the last decade through her articles, books, videos and teaching. Passionate about liberation in this lifetime, Kara-Leah practices and teaches an every day path of awakening – the path of the Awakened Heart Warrior. This path is grounded in Tantra and focuses on dissolving layers of the conditioned mind into deeper and deeper heart-felt presence. Kara-Leah’s work, through her teaching, writing and retreats, focuses on using the process of compassionate inquiry to reveal conditioned mind, and so help people to drop down into being-ness and presence. She is the author of two previous books, Forty Days of Yoga and The No-More-Excuses Guide to Yoga. She can often be found dancing in her living room for no reason at all.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello David Lovitz welcome to Township on podcast episode number 211 I am here with Carly Grant and she is a touch of teacher and author and we’ve been connecting by social media and my interest is piqued with the title of her book sex drugs and most of the yoga field notes from a Kundalini Awakening has a very similar structure and and serve residents with the title of my forthcoming book and looking at so far the outline of the book I haven’t had time to fully enjoy it but to be able to get a sense of what How Deep The the rabbit hole goes it’s really exciting and I can’t wait to hear more about it in this will just kind of be the the primer and the incentive to go deeper in the future with her works better love to have you tell us kind of all about your personal background and then we can get into the evolution of this this writing that you’re doing and what you have offering what you working on the future gifts from my ex and a background I’m in my early forties now and then finally experienced in my life and for the Whistler ski Town it was an impact time of dance holidays and club and working and Hospitality sucking out the Mountain hiking in the mountains around America convergence are included to the practices and tell me if it’s a nightclub that may just like all of my possessions if I didn’t have enough self a wenis or knowledge to work with what was coming up so those things also. and I was at 4 time music please to Ocean blonde with my partner engaged in my fiance I just took me to the edge we took on the Friday night not a whole lot you know what your headaches to see on Friday night and then I may be going to a yoga class on acid which is doing mines post three times and is it a super teacher kind of looking at me funny and that just began this is skating unfolding shift in my perception of reality that long story short went from Bliss Wellness instant downloads of everything to eventually starting to go into deep trunks where I was speaking a foreign language my fiance he we can do it like I lost touch with reality and waking up in the psych ward guy what the fuk just happened to me inside that it was like trying to psychosis and then life post psychosis where I’m coming from that is very interesting and exciting and I’ve certainly had wow definitely profound otherworldly experiences where I was completely disconnected with consensus reality and ended up in some very bizarre situations in can commiserate on that as well but it sounds like also somewhat glorious do you want to talk about what insights that were happening and how long was it last thing in and just yeah can you can you even almost in a way channel the that you were at that time to to give us some some fun insights about the other side yeah absolutely on the fishing on his side so that happened was right on the new moon that experience and it was a Sunday morning that it began on Friday and sedated the Friday night and saw it was about five day experience to those who are astrological things happening in the sky and then a month later to my fiance ended up breaking up with me right side face before and that triggered a stick and experience of psychosis so I had two experiences and what was you gave me an opportunity to see how the stick and experience is triggered by my own emotional defense mechanisms and the way that I couldn’t handle the grief and I ended up disassociating and because I’d already my psyche was already right John is already to reduce a multi-dimensional reality inside that stick in his time there was a list of the translate State Police of the crate is coming through the wasn’t the language Exeter so going back to the experience it was extraordinary how to put it into words we just kind of go back and feel it was it was as if I dropped into knowing you know it just old things worth knowing is one way to describe at like anything that I needed to know I was at my fingertips I could just reach out and it was like I knew every witch every song every book dissolve at one point in the journey but it was also via quite strongly and other points and because the experience was being held by the the challenging relationship I was in a lot of ciaran Tiara coming up going to couldn’t communicate with my fiance cuz I was so worried or afraid of what he might think of what I was going through and he was looking at me like I was crazy and I can feel that so the whole experience was are the light with all of this fear of speaking truth and this way that I was kind of responding to his description of me as such so the where lots of different visions that came around the nature of reality and it was it was so the child that the world is different from what we told school and what we told and Society was being confirmed and just a little Winston’s to like it’s never about what we want and it’s always about what we need that I need for always be Mitch witch simplistic or like me what does it mean it’s not really a big deal everything just seems so important and so profound and so when I was trying to communicate this with my pain. He was just my voice doesn’t make any sense in like one thing I remember quite clearly as he was wearing glasses he needed glasses and I was trying to tell him that in the future we wouldn’t need to wear glasses that we were shifting into the what I was saying in the future and what was actually happening now and so I keep trying to take his glasses off him and tell him he didn’t need them of course he saw he needed them so it was like I had an ability to steal through time but it was very hard to ground that into recognize what was actually real for right now since I was really confused child and suddenly having all of these talents will gifts or abilities, and have no understanding or no way to put them in context or to ground them or two to use them it was incredibly confusing and since you’re fine and you’re very Blissful at the same time in like a deep sense of relaxation is well it was all happening at once interesting very time shake that distinction contrast between the Bliss and the terror and it’s a magician that I follow sometimes online and and he’s talking about really deep really edgy taboo kind of exploration spiritually and he says he’s a one-time very often you know the aha moment turns to oh shit and like I can I can get that sense xhilaration but also that the terror and so wild so cheap do you feel like you had any Transmissions from beings or entities or deities or anything of that nature any kind of like encounter type moments now there wasn’t any specific mbodied other beings that came true it was more like just the same to the wholeness of the Wonders and just knowing that would come through around like I knew that I had to return to New Zealand and I knew that I knew that was related to my mother and I related to my life Jenny what was required. The whole time. To really encourage my memory as much as I could with what I had to see it and then when I begin to do is to attempt to pass out to determine would like to see been truthful Vision or was that psychosis was at the the same scar I mean I was so laid him down with him scar is still so they will what was coming through so it was a real challenge for me to go right what was real and what was just the delusions that I was still laboring under and can I tease out the gold while sleeping the wrist and so it was more so in any language is a particular form of breathing like a hissing where I was speaking even as I was inhaling and exhaling and I had a beer and I was I remember quite clearly watching that passion and the other language that was coming through very much later like last year when I went and saw hitchhike on a hooptie section when she went through things was that I was missing a past life that I’ve had in the Egyptian mystery traditions in so that life was getting confused with me being here and now and now but if we not still. Join us we buy different lifetimes will bleed into the apparent here and now in a way that’s not useful because we haven’t eaten most of the ability to walk in those different Realms 2 walkthrough time whilst leaving things with a minute today yeah that’s very interesting actually was in a meditation group but I went to the one I think maybe just one time I went to this one particular group where they had this skill said that they would apply which was basically this really intentional really highly focused laser focused rotational I gazing where the train meditator would do the sort of left eye to left eye eye gazing with everybody who came to the meditation Circle and there were also practicing or tradition of meditating with your eyes open but they the masters of this path or the adepts of this path they would cultivate I can’t remember the exact methodology that they were following but it was replicable and it was it was very reliable that they could do this in and they would basically be able to once you lock into the eye gazing with them within a few may be a couple minutes of intense eye gazing you start they start to melt away and you start to see them change colors and phase through various genders and and and personalities and and and bodies and faces from there multiple lives and they’re basically scanning and seeing you so it’s almost like you’re you sure it’s almost like you just wear like a deck of cards you know or a deck of it and you just have whatever is in the current consensus reality on the surface of it but if you have one of these meditators going to shuffle your your lifetime Persona ask you no cards and then it’s a real powerful experience so I’m very much in a position to to validate your experience has it in for people who are I don’t know I don’t know how busy I’ve been such a Believer for so long now I just can’t even imagine people who would say that multiple lifetimes or reincarnation is is to woo woo or you out there just makes total sense to me and I’ve had enough I haven’t had what I think some people mainly love Ayahuasca people I know they will the ones who who are the sort of facilitators of Ceremonies some of them I just say a number of them who I know they kind of report this pattern of them if they do the medicine path you know rigorously honestly for however long it takes basically they will start to get through their get through the Karma’s of the current lifetime start going back to previous lives sequentially and then also I think can currently doing work for on behalf of the people that they’ve had car make and take them it’s with over multiple lifetimes so it’s kind of like a you just start polishing one layer after next you know going to this is so anyway that’s very just saw my thoughts to it to validate that experience and I could see how you know that I mean I would like to ask you if it was LSD that cause disorder abrupt jarring Rift and so having comparing your other mainly psychedelic experiences and Explorations do you feel like how do you personally feel in your heart about LSD is that your friend is it your enemy is it your lover is your Trickster yeah I know it was my initial instincts is it was the only state that hit that had triggered at but it’s just so I can go by myself feeling like that differently united life with my partner and I wasn’t going I didn’t think again really into the spice when juicing translate state tax return connect Museum to wake light on after the second episode I didn’t say I would just stop drinking so I can place on anti-psychotic medication so she created Everything Gold fangs because I was really we are you doing anything that might trigger I was seeing a man and he hit some ice and he was going to type it and at that stage in relationship I was still quite greater than my share of triggering my psychosis again triggering psychosis again so I chose to take some don’t much like really small dice it enabled me to really witness and hold the intense emotions that would trigger it and that relationship was a very intense challenging relationship gave me the ability to witness and feel emotion and why I hadn’t even had prior and not react to it was I watching the rolling waves coming and fully feeling of adjusting out in it and so that’s when I started to realize I yeah I see that the usefulness of at least a. At this point in time when it’s not something that I just feel like I need to do any more percent but I have used it again and it has thing fascinating to see what unfolds in the nature of the psyche and your reality I’m sorry I just feel like it’s definitely my friends and I’m curious about it but it’s it’s not one of my allies necessarily oh thank you for sharing that yeah I kind of feel like when I was more of Gonzo psychonaut in early stages in my life and I will go pretty far out with that luckily unlike some of my friends who who had the the misadventure The Misfortune to over like literally not to point of causing any physical damage but overdosing on LSD can happen easier than people anticipate and it can have dire long-term consequences and I’m glad that you obviously reconciled and in and had the other skill sets going to worry didn’t just cause long-term issues but I know people certainly and I think we all probably know some people that they weren’t intending to but it’s easy to overdo it and so yeah I’m glad that are you able to to get to where you’re at but I would save myself to I just I learned a lot from it but but as a I guess I’m way more interested in the time-tested shamanic guided and I would say like I I I don’t feel I like to ask you if you feel like this comparing to the other medicines really I think it’s more of a it’s like the nuclear option you know of and it has a lot of risks associated with it I was saying beautiful things can happen but I just don’t feel like there is a a a spirit guide that’s assigned to that medicine from the greater sort of bureaucracy of Spirit guides and I’ve obviously mother Ayahuasca the sort of Grandfather peyote and grandfather which Yuma and then maybe you know giggly Elvish alien creatures for the mushrooms or whatever but still whatever it is there’s some sub something usually there according to my experience is another people were at work but it just feels like with acid there’s just not there’s not a a sheriff of that realm somehow there’s not right it’s just kind of like you’re on your own I don’t know if that’s it maybe you meet God or you get to see the guide her you’ll meet the deities that you studied if you’re very religious but but you could also get jumped by demons and not get your mind back for like this lifetime so my students it’s worth noting went to when I did at the at least I think I had a quarter for 10 it wasn’t even strong stop imported tonight interesting take at it feels like the whole structure of it and it doesn’t feel like there’s any particular guy with it where is cannabis and mushrooms and it was very much feels like I am communing with a being the plant you know I feel that being with me with the communication begins with the intent and withholding the material which is very different psychedelic Jenny it’s the container and the context and the intention and integration the goal of these things that we wreck around it a crucial and we are so many people that have just taken it with what do none of that so that way they do start to encounter these more terrifying aspects of the psyche of the archetypes of the underworld and what if they don’t have a framing or ways to work with it inside that’s when things can get really not like exploring Consciousness even a ground of a triangle that is safe for a psychic how to manage Instagram those are very good points and I actually it makes me think that we have a lot of a lot of policy and a lot of I think good wisdom that says that you should probably not be drinking alcohol or taking hard drugs or psychedelic set at early stages in life before your brain starts to fully mature and what not but this gives me a sort of food for thought that something I’ve never considered that there be like an age range were there be an upper limit bracket is well aware it’s like okay you have to wait till your message to start doing it but then at this age later you better stop doing it cuz it will be more trouble the FBI could do more harm than good I feel like if there’s one substance that for me it’s kind of like yeah have your fun with acid when you’re when you’re invincible and you’re in your you know late teens or early twenties and what not and taper it off over it’s over time because it can be you can be destructive I think more than the necessary and safe I think safer and and as we’re agreeing both have any more guided more support experiences that have been nurtured for thousands of years with you know even if we’re not in the Amazon or in the the traditional ceremony I still feel like the relationships that previous human beings have built have created a sort of like a landing pad pad for those those helper spirits on Earth and who knows with where we’re at with acid maybe maybe that will eventually happen but but it’ll be up to the youngins is there any way not to put it that down hopefully if anybody’s listening this and they are there really strong Advocates of a regular ongoing serious LSD used and then by all means come and represent that that side of things but with all that said I’m curious now can you tell us about how how did the Tantra proper come about into your journey yoga was going to be cheap out of my recovery let me know when the doctors to speak to a concert with some kind of spiritual experience and then I needed to really deep in my yoga practice I did that and ended up teaching started teaching in 2006 when I was asked to teach inside I didn’t get no matter what because I felt that Judy an obligation to my students and I started reading into studying the traditions of John cheever Ray that I really felt like all that’s woman I can learn from because the way that she taught there is something spontaneously in my practice around that time I went to LA in 2010 to do my teacher training was Sheba and she had Christopher Tompkins who was a tantric practitioner in Scola come on that training and Cheech the Tantra philosophy and practice portion of it and that was when I was introduced to Tantra and it just felt like coming home and Chris he gave us this particular practice which is just a daily a very simplified version of a daily practice that he found and he has been collecting from Kashmir primarily like literally hundreds and thousands of tired so he told us his practice and then he also initiated us and at the time I didn’t realize the importance of that I didn’t you know it was just to make it just a site this thing it wasn’t really a big deal so I came home and just keep doing that practice sporadically for about five years still not really going into 6th until I didn’t want people to think that’s what I was doing so I just quietly and I decided I wanted to do a thousand a practice practice to become a master serious as I want to master and ask legal commitment to show up every single day and then I dropped the ball for various reasons. I made it to 617 days and then drop the bull and I’m now on my 15000 days in a row and today is his it’s just revolutionize my experience of yoga my understanding of it of Tantra and it’s initiated such a date process of literally burning through some scars in, like I feel and about a year ago they internal guidance is like a Caillou really stinks this down time for you to step forward and teach it which not quite scary actually because it’s a whole different way to teach it’s a whole different thing that I’m teaching and then I’m transmitting and because I hadn’t had any contact with Chris and I don’t have it at 8 to hear and use a lymphocyte a big part of me was like can I do that if I can get my hands on and studying and living it I guess but I’m not sneaking with a lineage at this point in time but it’s time you need to skip forward again this side over the last year my experience has been enormously and I will and I have been reading every book I can get my hand on on edits it’s been an extraordinary experience to to Really grasp what it was where it came from how is lost as such and what it means to us and a modern lives now how can we practice the coordinates of the tundra Traditions arrives sorry it’s on you being the last stand up and say I know this stuff and I’m teaching the stuff that I’m bringing it through that’s what I’ve been doing to the last how to use well yeah this is very interesting I find it at it’s is I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise but it is it is a surprise I mean I guess the only way I can kind of reconciled is that the Wilderness is a beautiful documentary called yoga woman and it goes into just how much effort women had to exert resisting patriarchy in order to establish schools led by women to teach yoga around the world like it wasn’t it wasn’t it was a man’s a very patriarchal very hyper masculine secret control thing for a long time and then I don’t know why you wouldn’t expect that you would most people not like in the west they think o yoga that’s that that’s that thing that chicks do you know where something is like actually know I was a super you know control tightly-controlled Cult of male priests that were doing this so that they could you know experience forms of advanced practice that required bodies they were basically able to endure these extreme austerities and his extreme really religious Pursuits but it wasn’t necessarily that was very it’s in the very closed off and I I wasn’t too aware of that history somewhat somewhat sensitive to it knowing a bit about tantric history but just that film yoga woman puts a lot of perspective or you’re like while we take a lot for granted about how westernized things have got but I bring that make that point about that film because it’s it’s it what seems to have happened and I love to have your perspective on this but it seems like this false dichotomy between Tantra and yoga or tantric yoga or yoga or however however people want to mix it up it’s basically that the the more fully integrated Township practices for one within Tantra you have a lot of Shadow work a lot of left hand path a lot of black magic and so when I miss my understanding is a basically Christians and Muslims Came In Waves over the course of centuries and in the process of wanting to colonize and take over and exploit the people in the land of course they’re also having this moral Crusade against the darker forms of Tantra and then now in the modern world of India is the more sanitized versions of yoga are all that really remain above ground and then this country scriptures in the country practice is most of the darker practices have been have been at least band and there’s anti black magic legislation that I’ve read about and a lot of the that the Tantra Mantra practitioners are just selling black magic Services as a sort of snake oil saying in the Glorious more profound shaktism and goddess worship and what we would consider to be the more benevolent and benign path of Tantra that we I think in the west kind of whitewash the darker side of it but it’s it’s like it’s like it’s the whole thing was made Taboo in the whole thing kind of got tainted I suppose in in Worcester wrist and the Glorious aspects of it were sort of sanitized and so like I would just keep saying things like the modern yoga that we know on the in the west is basically the the kids version of Tantra because you’re not caught the whole set of teachings that go along with all the chakras in your not taught taught about the sexual aspect of Awakening Kundalini and the end of the ritual worship of the Goddess that like it’s funny because you say I mean I’m just looking at this in a macro sense of the telephone game at the store should a happens with coaches over time and what we end up with in the modern world in the west and it’s like the the yoga that that I have experienced in yoga studios in classes and with the yogis that are really a bad that I’ve met like again as you mentioned you could go almost decades in yoga and never even hear the word Tantra once and you could also and then even more disturbing to me when I did find honcho is that you could go years into Tantra and never hear the word goddess or Shakti so it’s like now I’m very curious and I know this was kind of a soapbox a little bit for me but I’m also just kind of it’s always interesting to me that moment where are Yogi discovers Tantra and then realizes wait a minute what what why was this why was this in the track at the at the at the movie store it’s like behind the curtain that you’re not allowed to go into and then you discover your like wow I’ve been I’ve been missing out or I’ve been I’ve been denied access somehow so I’m curious just if you could talk about with your mind you reconcile these two words and and in your studies what you feel like is the now that you’re teaching how it how do you tell people ask you what’s the difference between yoga and Tantra I mean the first thing I always wanted for defined as what do they mean by yoga do they actually mean Asuna what do they mean by liberacion this is Chris thing I always wanted to clarify mean someone uses the trip between yoga which is half ways to self-realization alliteration and the tools of yoga which included Asana pranayama chanting meditation but deliberation and if it’s basically a phone or text or identified with doing the perfect posture the very thing that’s me to deliver I do is actually taking you deeper and delusion and illusion Chandra is a methodology or an approach to yoga so if y’all get is self-realization Tantra is an approach to self realization and it’s the fast way it’s like the way that cuts through the bullshit need the thing that is most effective most powerful most recent and my I only do it now for physical reasons it’s like there’s no need for any any other capacity Liberation in so yeah can someone asking me about what’s the difference between a month is not a difference between tantrum you’re the one that it’s an approach to yoga and then I also want to clarify that means you’re actually interested or are you interested in joining us because but it’s not Liberation so don’t confuse I really appreciate that you mention how this is the the way to cut through the bullshit and also that it’s the antidote to living in the Kali Yuga because that’s something that I read in very scholarly works on classical Tantra and the you are very rarely hear people talk about that in Neo Tantra workshops that this is a very tactical and strategic set of really designer tools that that are specifically designed in the way that I liked reading about it was this point being made exactly to your point it is for this time that were in which is extra delusional and extra demonic and just as bad as it can possibly be and maybe it’s going to get worse before it gets better so you better have these very effective tools and basically it’s almost it’s it’s the way that I’ve read about it is that I mean to be a little bit rude even I would say that in the the happier go lucky or Golden Ages in the other wheels of the cycles of time they could be lazy and get away with it because they didn’t have as much Flack and they didn’t have as much resistance and they didn’t have to fight back as much so but from those time more more abundant Divinity on Earth and more benevolence in the cycles of time and then they had the time and they had the luxury to cultivate the tools get the tool kit that they were creating for us to use in this time to fight back in to defend ourselves spiritually so it’s kind of like if we can find this stuff on Discover it and work it and put it to use then we can get through this like karmic swamp that were in now and then if we can survive it as a species that we will have as according to the prophecies according to the this this way of thinking is cosmology then you know our progeny will really inherit a more beautiful time of your more beautiful more Golden Era and but it’s cement what we’re just in the the bottle next year we’re in the in this this Dark Age and so it’s just that he has an interesting concept that all this is a gift that we need to unpack you know it’s basically like a it’s like a time capsule or not Time Capsule but it’s basically like a it was as if they they buried these these these caches for us in the scriptures for us to discover and Unearthed and then apply them almost like we’re you know where Navy SEALS or special forces or something of that nature is kind of way I see it so I appreciate that you that you said that for us cuz I think a lot of people they don’t want to acknowledge they don’t that’s too it’s too much Shadow work for them or they don’t want to I don’t want to kill the five or killed be a buzzkill talking about that that part of it or are you using yogurt to liberate yourself right United Liberation is not about making life better it’s about Liberation to about truth about realization and what I’ve noticed is I need a cheap knowledge he’s for working directly with Consciousness so as one’s a wenis and ability to sense the subtle becomes more more refined prices began working with Consciousness for the someone who’s coming into practice who is living there and then in order to become aware of what is happening in Chinle for themselves I guess it’s just an assignment of being able to be a weird one securing on the inside me and I can start to do the most subtle practices near me because of the point that we apply the practice itself is not the thing the print just simply create the conditions needed for the process of dissolving and unwinding to begin to Heaven prices of dissolving unwinding samskaras in comas and that will happen when we learn how to get out of the way and hold the space which is the whole point of the practice the same as the process that creates the conditions for the process of Liberation to be put into action if you will and then we just have to keep showing up and surrendering rating go and letting it happen and there’s something else that is it in the contract that I just come across recently that like because these practices were secret they weren’t in the cheeks the written down but the chicks are only a loser and describe some of the practices they don’t describe the real secret the real case that was just like you said that they would come a time when it was necessary for these practices to no longer be a secret and actually to be spread far and wine and I feel like we need those who actually care about Liberation most secure about waking up they need to know what’s going on for the my need to know what tools to use I need to know I had a navigate there in the world have never got Consciousness and they need to understand what happens psychologically when people begin to dissolve the SAS guys and comments from previous in this lifetime of course as well and that knowledge I think is it just not out there very much at all okay now I think for anyone listening who hasn’t read it acquires many books or baby hasn’t been down this path so far I could imagine that you’re wondering that you would love to hear now I would love to hear can you go into detail about you know if it’s not too much of a secret now that we’re talking about kind of open sourcing this technology and in the modern world so it’s what is your what is this daily practice look like that you’re doing and then you could go to go from there and say describe I would love to hear in your words what is the outstanding difference in the the the tantric practices that that for Liberation that you are teaching that you have learned in your practicing now cuz it’s 8 for me it’s so interesting every time I try to explain what this is I have to start almost from scratch it’s just like such a naturally kind of elusive infinite con concept and so are every person who brings it brings their definition to me I feel like I’m that that blanks later that that empty cup you know so I don’t so I’m not projecting my headline ocean. It is very obvious just reeling to hear how other people articulate this bass you know a very personalized thanks so please but I’ll meet you before we doing this practice at that rate and so the practices is to warm up links with a blockages are for the brace retention and then it moves into a clearing and a diagnostic running a diagnostic in the clearing on the system using State exams at the chakras and placing them placing the Munsters The Sounds in that area is another way inside its checking in to see what’s clear once blocked what’s going on what’s Happening stage three is the disorder of the dates of the practice and this involves mujras and involves Chun Chang and involves visualization and involves invoking the chassis Shakti and Shiva and uniting them in the hospice and that’s the third stage what I’ve noticed is it’s it’s not super intense car has like three things. I’m out of the system out of the field when that is happening which is simply sitting back and watching what unfolds now that you’ve laid the foundation and done all the other stuff so watching the movement of Shakti Kundalini Prana watching at move around your body watching what the bridge does watching the thoughts of flight paths watching the feelings that come out and staying the witness or consciousness of that important really win the dissolving and the release saying in the unfolding that’s when Visions come through strong emotions in Cecil line healing deep trauma order that stuff will unfold and that last part of the practice so it’s so powerful that mean to keep Knology in the more you do it the more it will be in trigger the prices which is the road to innovation it’s beautiful and it brings me back to my first Tantra classes with Rhoda Jordan who is my initiatrix into Kundalini Shakti energy and rotating the spine and using the Moochers and mantras and movements that were dance movements and various expressions and also the guided visualization so I feel like you could come in off the street and have no esoteric leanings be a total skeptic be a total materialist rationalist agnostic atheist whatever and you could have this very palpable introductory-level I call it like a chakra tune-up a chakra tune-up you know like you were getting your Prana oil changed in your getting your. You know your chakra spark plugs kind of reline and what episode people have this and it is it can I think the the Austin is can be like a good warm-up or a good cool down but in the center or the heart of of a tantra yoga experience it is this massaging and moving of the Kundalini Shakti energy and using the sound to activate and facilitate like a a very unrestrained and very unrestricted flow of a tenor he’s so everything seems like it’s some working in concert in harmony to allow that energy to flow with his little obstruction is necessary it goes to the places where it’s needed most and isn’t just being wasted trying to blast through your stiff neck or something like that you know so I’m feeling just to get for people to get a visual of what were what were you talking about what this what all this is like if you had to if you had to explain it to explain this stuff to somebody who is it super scientific rationale extended believe in any of the magical or mystical or Cosmic elements how would you describe the you note to a doctor what what it is that you’re doing or if you had to do you were doing a corporate retreat in there like we need to know what this is going to entail on like a biomedical level could you translate it to those terms could I change my nothing that right b i g u is a lot to do with that option within the sound is vibrational I mean I really just want people to try it to do it but if I needed so I wouldn’t be able to but it also takes medical terms that I do feel like that’s possible now when it probably wasn’t possible 20 30 40 years ago with the way that science is advancing and quantum physics in particular in their understanding of Neuroscience in the wedding Neuroscience is beginning to understand the brain in different ways and met mystical experience and understand that how to change your mind by Michael Pollan and he’s got some great Bryant Brian science in there that looks like it’s just you know the way that people are frightened the world normally feel like science is stronger and stronger and stronger people just going to get on that label is which is going to really help with the spread of these practices when people start to realize how powerful they are as Technologies for working with Consciousness with working with the Brian working with the nervous system all of us. Will you articular that very well yeah thank you I don’t get it I think it is important cuz it said put some point I’m 100% in agreement with you and the way I would wear that to it is to say that it hits the the woo-woo and esoteric and far out practices of acupuncture and acupressure they’ve been completely accepted into the fold of Western medicine now it will at least to the extent that you can you can put that on your you know on your standard American list of therapeutic things that are basically covered with your help with your health insurance is not considered too far out as alternative medicine and so you know if we can take those Meridian is in those energy lines in if there is also the data backing it up because if there’s enough research done in besides that using the scientific method and they can say well even if even if the actual mechanics of it the quantum mechanics are still somewhat elusive at least we know that there are results in those results are measurable and so it can be validated and and recognized and acknowledged and so I think that the tantric healing particula. The trauma healing modalities will eventually get to that point that acupuncture acupressure is and there will be charts of the chakras in next to the anatomy charts in in the doctors every doctor’s office will just have the sound and I think the only thing that I would add to what you said about just trying to bridge that gap for people who may be total Skeptics is that I was fascinated when it was brought to my attention that the the major are crows and there’s obviously debates about exactly how many there are some people say there’s multiple third eye permutation chakras is obviously just as is many different maps of the chakras is there are lineage is a tantra almost but we’ve kind of mostly agreed upon their being seven major ones but basically it’s it’s it’s been noted in end hypothesize that there actually is situated literally on top of or within or basically at least in terms of the the Distribution on the body there pretty much right in alignment with the endocrine system glands and so the pineal gland that all of that basically going going up and down the spine of the endocrine system and that makes a lot of sense because if in the in the chakra system teaching country you’re talking about these essential personality and information processing organs that the truck was our will that’s exactly what these glands are doing or 10th processing intense amounts of information and also really defining and in programming our experience of reality on a chemical level so that’s that’s definitely very interesting to think about that enter play and so this was a really really awesome expiration and just kind of bringing it accident the fundamentals of Tantra but also helping to to put into context the need for a think you’ve given one of the best polemics so far that I have heard on this podcast about why to get deep into the deep the practices and and really the case for taking yoga to that taking the Austin is to the next level of the tantric practices and so appreciate that and I want to say yes so do you want to just spend sometime kind of giving us if you like to share a sort of closing meditation walk us through some of what you would have to offer an in it in a a training you know take your good however many of you several minutes or more you like to give a sort of either a signature meditation or something just completely spontaneous that would be great but and also either before or after give us your final words in your website links and where people can go to get the book and also anything else you want to say about the book anything else UTI you care to say I’ll let you just take over from here yes it’s Six Flags in my siaga it’s a meanwhile of my recovery from that experience Awakening / psychosis and and understanding of what a treaty was so that’s available on Amazon only online book stores you can get on my cell as well and I have a I have a retreat coming up in Mexico September 29th to October 4th at so I can Hotwire it activation plaid Entre for the modern world I will really be able to join this practice we’re going to take him to practice and really looking at how do we embody unconditional love right that’s the awakened heart Unconditional Love and Truth which is the warrior standing in truth and bringing that 4th and 2 + communities because my senses this world is that the more of us that are able to embody unconditional love in penis after the shift will be on the planet and nothing feels more important than that and grounding it and Tantra practice in an understanding of time should I visit a solid foundation the people to take that understanding and stick back into the communities of one of the limitations to do wish I could. Pointed a wenis one that just came through spontaneously once upon a time that I’ve been using for number B is now so whenever you want to have you sitting and standing with driving how if you’re listening to this podcast just bring your awareness to your breathing just starting to notice what it feels like to breathe really noticing the feel of the breath and your nostrils you might feel it down the back of your throat maybe you feel it under your collarbone so and your rib cage possibly all the way down into your pelvis even your tailbone just noticing nursing what it feels like to braid what does it feel like in your body when you breathe you keeping your wenis on your breath also become aware of your whole body whole body awareness in the crown of your head all the way down to the soles of your faith goodnight is saying what the brakes feels like in your body but all such feeling your whole body front of the body back of the body right side of the body left side of the body and just noticing you noticing any Sensations any pain need a duplex for Delaware to bring the way of your whole body Men start to become aware of the ground underneath the Earth maybe getting a sense of sending root down into the ground just feeling what it’s like to sit on the ground on the Earth getting a sense of the soils underneath you maybe having a sense of the Bedrock with a water table deep it down still aware of your breath we are of your whole body Rosa down three play aware of the earth ground feeling yourself reaching down into as deep as you can go and then retaining awareness of breath awareness of body weenus of ground expensive opening up towards the sky beginning to expand your wenis outwit and upwards all the way to all the way to the Earth’s atmosphere beyondmenu all the way to the Moon Beyond maybe all the way to the planets to Sun and even issue expand outward upward to the sky to the infinite Universe still aware of the ground still aware of your whole body and still aware of your breath holding all of them New Orleans Saints All Saint Grant body sky now you sound tourist center of it all even as you remain aware of it all sending out so much love to you all thank you so much being for this opportunity to stake into share thank you so much yes I was beautiful and always appreciate meeting new folks doing this great work and learning new ways of articulating this mysterious technology but this was one of the best one of the best times I’ve had learning and getting acquainted and appreciate it so much and hopefully we will be in touch and you always feel welcome to come back anytime you have things you like to share updates and yeah looking forward to turn off Liam’s sharing and in supporting each other’s efforts I’m going awesome again for you feel free anytime to reach out in the future and I wish you the best of luck in all of your endeavors and will talk to you hopefully soon thank you so much I took care that is a r a l e a h. 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Beyond the Neo Vs. Classical Tantra Duality with Triambika TPP83

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Triambika picIn this episode I’m blessed to be able to explore the great works of Triambika Ma Vive and her masterful synthesis of neo and classical tantra. We discuss how to translate the esoteric principles of ancient tantra into modern cross-cultural interfaith language, theory and practice.

About Triambika:

“Playboy TV’s #1 Tantric Expert”

Triambika is an internationally recognized seminar leader, professional sex and conscious intimacy coach and the founder of The Ecstatic Awareness Institute.
She has guided thousands of men and women to empower their sexuality, by helping them to release shame, gain confidence, learn to have extraordinary sex, experience exceptional stamina and create healthier relationships.

Her powerful work with singles and couples have been featured on the Playboy channel, Personal Life Media, Source Tantra, Gilad Creative Media and as the lead host and emcee for the International Sex and Consciousness Conferences.

Triambika brings her depth, intuition, passion and magnetism to her work. Harnessing her extensive training and practice with the time-honored tradition of Tantra, human sexuality, non-dual spirituality, masculine and feminine dynamics, NLP, and body-based modalities including yogic therapy and bodywork, she helps her clients to reach authentic sexual freedom and to form fulfilling relationships that support the highest expression of who they are.

Based in Southern California, Triambika works globally guiding men and women everyday to lead a more empowered and authentic sexual life.

Being a seasoned practitioner and educator of sacred sexuality, Triambika also offers practitioner trainings for sexual healers and women’s sensual empowerment courses throughout the United States, Australia and Europe.

Guided by her resolute purpose to provide intelligent, accessible and unforgettable education, she is enthusiastically committed to coaching with compassion, fun and individualized attention.

Please visit her website at:
http://ecstaticawareness.com/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 83 I am doing an interview here with tree ambika mavi and she is Playboy TV’s number-one tantric expert which definitely has caught my attention among other things and intimacy coach and founder of the ecstatic awareness Institute and is really one of the world’s greatest living country code facilitators and and healers that I’ve become aware of and we weave briefly cross paths in different circles and I’m really excited now it’s Grandma cat have you as a guest and if you would be so kind just kind of give us your your life story how you got on this path of of Tantra and beyond happy to be here right now with you and getting to chat together my life story where to begin you know this path yeah I could say where it started as far as you know when I first started hearing about Tantra but I think it’s valuable to just go a little bit further back and say that I grew up with Catholic parents of a Colombian upbringing so Latin American upbringing and and Catholic religion and so there was a lot of Shame and there was a lot of stuff around sexuality and do you know you just really a lot of confusion and being a spiritual person and as I have always been it was this journey to try to find myself and my spirituality and yet not see myself as a slut or a hore which is a lot of wet you know that the extra tradition would have you think I’ll when you also want to be a sexual being so the idea of spirituality and sexuality in the same sentence was completely unheard of for me so I went forward in the world having to cope with that and there was some difficulty for me around that and being a very sexual being I wanted to explore I wanted to find out more about what was out there in this life and as soon as I became old enough I began to explore in the world of of sex work but not not having sex but more so it was a it was a roll of doing a lingerie modeling and I’ll say lingerie modeling and quotes it was kind of like a private Peep Show and and you know on the men were allowed to make themselves as comfortable as they wanted in the room and you know where they’re at their I am and and this computer lingerie and there’s like a chair with a box of tissues in a bottle of Jergens what kind of what kind of establishment will see how to say the name of course but I’m just curious how this was facilitated as a business model is like an establishment or if this was something you did before Craigslist and Backpage and all that well well before Craigslist and Backpage and probably before I even heard of the internet at that stage I was only 18 19 and I I thought it was sort of like a lingerie store a front for lingerie store that kind of had maybe six to eight pieces of really cheap lingerie hanging in the front and the guys can come and choose their model and there be about two or three of us working at any time and then we go and you’ll have a sort of a private keep show and you know I learned a lot during those years and I and I learned that I could make a lot of money and that was fun but I also had to learn a lot about my boundaries which I didn’t realize I had until only after they already been crossed so I know I went through a lot of trial and error in that phase and not knowing myself fully yet not knowing what my boundaries were and through being in a scene where people wanted to take advantage of me I just had to kind of get through that and I found myself at a crossroad where I was I’d made a lot of money and I’d saved a lot of money and I wanted to get out of the business and I was really struggling with with myself with my identity I have a lot of shame I felt I’m very insecure so a lot of of those internal turmoil that happened when when you don’t know yourself and your exploring sexually and a lot of things are happening very quickly so I so I went off on a spiritual journey to India and that was the first time I’d heard the word Tantra and in that in that time I learned that I had all these issues you know you don’t always know that you’ve got all the stuff going on so I realize why I’ve got a lot of issues and I have a lot to heal and the word Tantra just rang so loud and true for me it was it was just an instant connection that I had to the word and I said I got to know what that is I got to follow that path so the following year I I moved from Miami to California and I started sneaking out teachers and seeking out workshops and books and whatever I can get my hands on and from there I began and I found teachers and I found some amazing people along my path and I began to receive healing work and so as I started to receive Tantra healing work on myself from trained practitioners trained Dhaka Zen dakinis I began to release immense amounts of grief and shame and fear in my body and it was being immediately replaced with love and self-acceptance and appreciation for who I am and I started to transform and it was in it happened relatively quickly I started to see the changes and that just that was it I just never look back and I I just knew right away this is my path so having been in the world of sexuality from the very beginning and early as I was legal I you know it was it was a natural transition to go from a very unconscious sexual scene to healing myself and going more towards conscious awake and sexuality and it just made all the difference for me and all the difference in my relationships and and just how I progressed in the world awesome do you want to talk about how you are you’ve sort of found a career path through all that that is led to your rising up to instructor kind of leader facilitator coach all that good stuff will I went ahead and started to train pretty early on and started to take zucchini training the Tantra teacher trainings of Charles me or as one of my dear beloved friends and teachers and you know very very close like family to me so he he was instrumental for me and and several other teachers and I and so my career in this path again early and in over the years it took many forms and so I think that how it progresses that because I started at an early age and I’ve been involved in the work for so long naturally I built a name for myself and I also started started to a create a distinction between what was out there for a little people who were doing different modalities of sex work versus doing more sexual healing work and really making a name for myself in that way and that there is a difference and and there’s nothing wrong with either one of them but that there is something transformative that can happen and even you know in the face of pleasure right that it can be such a powerful transformative experience when when it’s done with the right amount of presents so after several years and the field I went ahead and studied with a Groove for about 12 years on I took initiation into a kashmiri tantric lineage and that was I think we’re thing started at transform because I I started integrating more of the classical traditional teachings of Tantra and a gain a lot of respect in the community for for having done that and and and study done in that in-depth way yeah and I and then the next big piece for me was was with with the Sedona Temple and the International School of Temple art where we began teaching training in spiritual sexual shamanic experiences and and now that training is being taught all over the world so I was one of the founding members of that and yeah it’s just been an amazing journey and I continue to coach and work with people one-on-one and I just I love what I do and I continue to train also a practitioners and that’s been another big pieces it’s raining men and women who want to do this workout in the world and I just I love all of it well it’s also so there’s definitely a lot of really deep material there that as far as you’re having that rich culturally authentic experience training and also that so it’s like you’ve become the synthesis of Neo Tantra and classical Tantra and that is a really exciting and Powerful combination because you probably have a great vantage point to kind of shed light on the whole Spectrum so yeah I’m really excited to to explore that a bit I’m I guess I’m curious how was your how did Playboy channel discover you or how did you get pitched her how did that that bridge get across I’m curious and I received an email from from Scout and one afternoon and they wanted to bring me in to do an episode 4 one of their swingers shows called swing and and then they brought me in again and is it just kind of went from there or so it was really just they went out searching for someone just like me and they they were there having a hard time finding it because it’s that kind of combination between you know a lot of people do Tantra and it’s a modality of sex work which is great and it’s awesome and I and I love that there’s people that are you don’t taunt Rica’s and doing sex work and what they were looking for though is a little bit more of the educational aspect and somebody that they can you don’t bring in to really teach and coach and so that’s what I am awesome so yeah it would you would you be okay with talking a bit about your experience that the traditional lineage Based training and she had just kind of maybe start with an overview and then we can zoom in here and there sure well I won’t mention his name because I know that you wouldn’t want me to do that but I will say that walking the guru to disciple path is really something else I something it’s it’s definitely for certain individuals who want that I personally don’t think I knew what I was getting myself into but I’m glad that I did and I’m glad that I’m not there anymore the traditional path of Tantra absolutely love it’s more just the dynamic between That Grew disciple it’s a little bit condescending and manipulative in some in some cases not in every case but for some people but the but the traditional teachings of Tantra are are so Adept and so powerful and so beautiful know anybody who wants to study that it’s you know it’s really very very deep but the whole path of life that is always the whole psychology it’s an entire path of Awakening from it from the way that you eat to the way that you think to you know something from what you do at the start of the day to the end of the day and then of course from the way we make love it’s everything is included so it’s you know it’s very powerful to live your life that way what would you say are some of the obviously I just I feel like the more I study at the less I can Define it the best I can explain it and it itches it gets even more elusive it’s so vast and so I’m curious if what some of the maybe just bullet points of what you feel like you were really blessed to have been able to experience it in and that one-on-one grew disciple training that people who are on a weekend retreat or certificate you know whatever the Neo Tantra packages to to get you out of your you no work week and normal mindset and into a a deep training what would you say are some of the things that that you know we will be missing out on not having the experience you had that are some of the positive things and then I’m sure we’ll figure out some of the negative ones too well I guess there’s a couple ways that I can answer that you know some of the some of the really positive aspects is you know to understand yourself as something much broader and bigger than the limited ideas that we have of who we think we are and to begin to actually have practices and tools and ideologies to begin to see do yourself in a much broader context and so when I when I can see myself as as Shiva as you know primordial Consciousness inkarnate I begin to experience the world differently right I begin to live into the world with less fear with less fear of death with less concerned about the minutiae and assertive come into the world with them from a more expanded stay and so that that’s something really valuable because you know we all can get caught up and in the end the little things right in the little things that that pisses off or noises and you know like that go ahead yeah that was just a green definitely I think a lot of people are bypassing maybe now in the in the so-called I don’t really know Nick neotantra is is kind of just as nebulous but it seems I guess one of the critiques that I would have and I I feel like India came to me I didn’t go to India at Lake came to me through Priestess initiatrix has waves of them coming in and really synchronistic ways and that doesn’t mean I don’t have a want to make a pilgrimage absolutely but I feel like what like the way I would like to Define Tantra for the mod for the modern era is it is a practice of goddess worship and if that’s missing then maybe it’s a dangerous path of Tantra that somehow forgot to put the Davey Sedona in the mix and I’m wondering if if you feel like that sort of the spiritual bypass of just the mechanical sexual breathing and you know the real practical impact are the practices that enhance your sex and love life and connection that’s all great but do you feel like you were able to kind of get more of a deeper connection to the cosmology in the mythology and took formulated to more clear question do you think people are missing out on that aspect a lot and and are you able to kind of translate and deliver some of that since you have had that sauce after deeper immersion training well that’s a great question and here’s what I think I think you are people missing out you know I don’t think that everybody is cut out for that depth of teaching I don’t think that those teachings are necessarily meant for everybody that there is something about Tantra that they caught the Open Secret where you know it’s open anybody can come and read the stuff but unless you unless you’ve got the eyes to see and ears to hear and really get it it’s might not be meant for you and not everybody’s interested in that depth of thought or that depth of Mantra and you know yantra studies and you’re all the Deep Sanskrit terminology like not everybody wants. So are they missing out well you know it’s something ignorance is bliss and so that’s okay for them is the world of Neo Tantra missing something sometimes sometimes in some cases it is and then definitely I aim to be that bridge and I also think that it’s for whom and when like if there’s if there’s a person who ready and interested in needs that teaching those teachings then I’m all too happy to deliver that and when a person isn’t able to receive that it’s sort of like how can I get around the fancy terminology to sort of present this in a way that they can really receive it and I think that that’s something that that the the classical Tantra did support me and a lot is is is broadening my perspective and then now what using my own tools to deliver that to any audience without it being too weird or fluffy or foreign practice of beholding whether it’s your consort or your wife for your ass you know your spouse of your concert or Temple dancer whatever the configuration is that that sort of quintessential divining of the Beloved as the god or the goddess or a combination thereof do you have you found a way to kind of translate horor deliver that experience without breaking people’s religious dogmas to giving him too much of a right turn you know when they’re not ready I just say one quick thing is that speaking to a client just yesterday who was wanting to introduce his very very religious Christian girlfriend into the path of Tantra and I got really excited because I think this is perfect because she’s already concerned about living in sin and so this would be a way for her to reconcile that part of her that says hey it’s okay that we’re having sex even though we’re not married and you know just because we can call in a greater power a higher power and just translate it so that it works for her so I think I think that if somebody is very closed off and in their in their on their religious path are not going to be able to receive any of it but I do think that there is a place for it in numerous spiritual just traditions because of the fact that when you really dig deep the sex aspect in Tantra is given great regard because of the spiritual element right it’s not just like we’re not all hedonist trying to find cool new ways to get off it’s it’s it’s all about creating deeper and deeper and higher and higher state of the union with the Divine so for some I think that I’ve actually been thinking about that a lot because I’ve been called to do the same thing and it in in a variety of different formats to try to upgrade the spiritual Technologies as it’s so interesting I guess what’s happening with with porn and with really thin BDSM and Fifty Shades of Grey there’s this massive explosion of I would call maybe sexual freedom I don’t I don’t like I wouldn’t call it Liberation cuz that has a deeper kind of station for me but there’s a new level of Freedom that I feel is to be perilous without wisdom tradition guidance and that’s why Tantra is got a lot of catching up to do to the to those other even if you look on Google Trends and you see the search frequency of Tantra versus the other I’ll be I’ll be honest and respectful and say that can be just as much as a form of those are sexual art forms and you know the pouring is a sexual art form genre but definitely as the the shackles of really repressive monotheistic I don’t you know all the religions that are repressing sexuality Resort of being bucked off by this mess massive high-speed internet delivery system and so there’s like a need for these churchgoers who are scrambling in the face of these menaces to their you know they’re there their ways really it’s going to take the work of what you’re doing and other people who are able to kind of say okay well now that the cat is out of the bag how are we going to maybe translate the Kundalini has the Holy Ghost you know and if they don’t want to hear about the serpent you know maybe they’ll they’ll be that the Holy Ghost can work for him do you have you any of that time Bridge Crossing sort of cultural healing stuff in my private work so right I haven’t I haven’t made it a point to preach about it in a larger way I know that Sean Roop has actually taught in churches which I think is fantastic I have made less the point of it all though it would be it would be fun but in my in my private work when people come to see me I definitely I asked about their their religious spiritual background so that I’m prepared and and how it went to deliver what I want to say and yeah I love I love what you just added there about the the Kundalini being the Holy Spirit and it is yeah that’s a lot of potential to too kind of transcend the old language around the Stephen Odell paradigm yes so do you want to talk maybe some more about you or I had a I had a curiosity definitely about you know we could probably go do a series of podcast about this very deep esoteric material and in the mystical and mythological aspects really I’m at like someone just recently said yet is witchcraft a that that kind of you know does it for me to to approach it with that level of you no respect and reverence and you know what is that mean if we think of it that way obviously that would scare off some of the Christian so it wouldn’t be conducive to help in that discourse but so yeah I was going to say I’m curious how the power broker is in The Gatekeepers of the mass media but say the Playboy Enterprise did they give you space to explore that more esoteric esoteric elements or do they ask you to reel it in and you know I’m curious if they have any yeah well concerns or I can remember the day going to their Studios in Hollywood and asking about that very thing you know how to do you want me to go pretty clear that this was meant to be for the larger masses that this wasn’t meant to be a teaching on the esoteric aspects of Tantra so and one of my superpowers I think is to be able to convert myself not convert myself but you know just sort of be able to be adaptable and and and speak to my audience and meet them where they’re at so I did keep it a little bit later I kept it still connecting at the Heart level and very much connecting you know sexually essentially but with presents and and and deep connection that we kept it there we did not go into the deeper stuff even though if you look at what I’m doing in the filming’s I am creating a Puja experience and so they don’t know they don’t know that they’re there there’s roots of that in an early Tantra and and and how that all came to be but they don’t need to know that they’re having a good time and then the Aryans the nuts and that’s what was important at that time that’s wonderful yeah I feel like that’s that is the the the sign of a of a master if you can really deliver the experience without having to convert anyone or push their boundaries too far and they just you know can be Believers in this in the spiritual technology Without Really any rhetoric or any you know any of the more controversial controversial apologies work you know so we really don’t know all that background if you really sit with another person in this way you feel different you feel a connection and and that opens up new avenues of emotion in Awakening in your body that weren’t there before you know when you when it was just sort of like here let me just broke you in the dark instead let’s turn the lights on and I should be with one another you can’t deny what happens there as long as your present right it is yet very if it for the for the Skeptics and the atheist and all that it’s just electrical engineering and even the symbols are very there schematics in a lot of the configurations the yogic scriptures and it was stration sits you know something that reads like stereo instructions sometimes you know yeah so actually something you mentioned there it makes me wonder I feel like a good way to tell always introduce the chakra system to people who are maybe never heard of it or only if seen you know hippies with banners hanging out of their tents or whatever but at the everybody has an experience of their heart chakra so do you kind of start there if you if you when you initiate people into Brett breathing into or doing the bija mantras or kind of chakra introductory orientation work do you kind of start there and yeah well can you talk about that yet how do you how do you teach the chakras if you don’t mind I mean whatever extent you you would you care to share it’s always fun one of the fun of the heart it’s it’s always where I began I view the heart in the heart chakra as an alchemical chalice where all transformation can take place so when we begin there any relationship that we have to our sexuality to our power to our survival to our intuition to my voice in the world all of it gets gets transformed when we bring it through the heart and then you can just look to see how anything that you’re grappling with in life just bring it into your heart for a moment I just sit with it there and then just see what happens but that’s always where I begin and as far as I got an education on on chakras again you know I’m I’m working with a lot of different types of people and sometimes I have people that literally want to understand contract from A to Z and and sometimes I have a people that are really just trying to grow and heal and don’t don’t care so much for the deeper philosophy but know that there’s something in this for them so again for whom and when and when there is a person who who needs touch needs healing who needs to be seen in this light we work with the specific chakras that he or she needs to work on right so often times that if the Power Center The Heart the sex Center in over some people obviously that first chakra and as needed I’ll go at go through and explain it but more important than me explaining it is them feeling an activation of it Brian said I could happen with just like he words coming in at Key moments when they’re open when the portal is open and you know I come in with keywords that pertain to that cha Crush they don’t need to know that the color orange or yellow or that it’s this particular geometrical shape they need to know that right now their power is being activated and and we are calling that in there in a very potent way in other cases I find the chakras fascinating I love talking about that little ins and outs and specific mysteries of all the chakras it’s fascinating to me it’s total like braingasm material yeah yeah so in the right setting and that’s what I’ll do cool yeah I kind of feel like when I have to explain it to people who maybe you’re just skeptical in general or like yeah whatever we will be able to stay well imagine that your you know your physical body has a series of ink cartridges that print you out and they can malfunction and stopped working and then they can distort your sort of damage that you gave yourself the physical print out and so you want to optimize that and that seems to work as it’s kind of in a broader way that these seven centers where energy concentrates you can even see it as where you’re like nervous system will come together and concentrate it is the all the way that we receive and perceive the world so both how we receive you know these different functions and also you know how how we perceive that being acting out in the world and in that you know we are either perceiving the world for through these different modes you know in a very a contracted way and sometimes we’re much more open-minded about it or open-hearted you know it just kind of you know giving giving birth examples that people can relate to I think is is probably the most valuable so if you don’t mind I’d like to talk a bit about your perspectives and experiences with what is kind of sort of it’s a term now it’s like a modern term Sexual Healing like you could say a sexual healing it’s actually a veritable almost Medical Practice in with the Certified Six electrical bodyworkers training it’s I think that’s probably the most sort of codified that that a Hands-On sacred spot massage Ewing is is sort of been in in modern I guess medical legalized if you will but I’m really curious I’ve had this question in the in the back of my mind for a while where is the I’m not I’m not What’s the Word a fundamentalist when it comes to the scriptures there’s some really weird stuff and some of the scriptures so I definitely don’t want to have to sort of validate most of it was most of it has been traditionally village-based verbal pre-vedic pre civilized indigenous Shamanism of I would call bastardized patriarchal you know elitist extraction and then you have codification and in the in the scriptures so it’s it’s gets murky to say what it what is or isn’t authentic or or can be traced back to some cite citation in a document but I’m curious if in your training you’re probably one of the most qualified to answer this question is where does the sacred spot massage training or certain the discovery of that is there is there some natural history of that in the Indian traditions of Tantra that you’re aware of or is it you know I’m so curious to know what you want cuz I think we just kind of adapted we adapted and then we just sort of maybe don’t understand the the deeper origins or or just sort of get some what’s the word I guess it’s too taken for granted in modern Neo Tantra that this is part of Tantra but I’m super curious if you would know where you would go to actually study at traditionally or if there’s scriptures about it you know any of the Davey kind of hymns and stuff so you could go on and on about the Oni and all I mean exhausted leave it like it’s a beautiful discourse on the only and all of its magic and all this mystery so I’m sure there’s some references there but anyway scripture speaking I have yet to come across something specific about the secret spot from a traditional standpoint it’s it’s if it’s written it’s written in a serving in a mysterious way and what I know is that the term sacred spot it was coined by Charles Muir om some 3540 years ago it was taught to him that the practice without it being called secrets about the practice itself with was taught to him by a bee and a tantric practitioner and I’m saying this was like 30 maybe 45 years ago now at the stage for him so so where it that particular practice originated from I can’t tell you exactly but what I can tell you is that when you really look at it and you look at what’s happening in the body and where where were actually referring to it’s not just the G-Spot it’s not just that one little spot on the body it’s more of a secret area and it went to when you touch into that area in a man or a woman inside the body it gives you access I could deny it gives you access to the energy of all of the chakras and all of the cellular memory and the emotional content in that space and if you look at how the channels of eat. And peeing alot and so shall not that the three Central Channel’s come together and they sort of intersect at each of the chakras their their last point where they intersect is there or down there close to the base of the spine and so we’re kind of moving energy and connecting and playing in that area where all of the channels merge and we’re basically all of the chakras merge because each of the chakras are touched by these channels I hope that didn’t sound too totally far-out there in all this I mean I’m absent totally seeing all this like as if you were you’ve got you know a video projector up in this is a you know UPS exactly what I’m PowerPoint hear a lot of modalities that are popular today you know somewhere along the way someone figured this out and it got invented I don’t think that that that it’s any less powerful whether or not it came from the scriptures I really haven’t seen it but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some type of mention of it of course it wouldn’t have been called The Sacred spot it probably was referring more to Yoni Puja and and some other type of internal practice now when I when I worked with my Google make my spiritual teacher and I bet that there are a lot like in Chinese medicine solutely marma points along the outside and the inside of the body and so somewhere in all of this tradition it was figured out that when you go in and start activating these points or even on the body right that that you can you can access a lot of different types of energy in the body so so if I can sort of yeah process that a bit it it sounds like if there was ever a president within classical Tantra to do the Yoni Puja as a devotional ritual of oil massage of some kind whatever was available maybe sesame oil or I’m not sure if you would know that I would say but I don’t see if we wanted to do like a historical reenactment of the birth of you know this tradition of veneration of the genitals as the one of light in the gates to heaven I mean the really show people National Geographic or something maybe it’s another another you no experience of media like a National Geographic kind of experience where this is the real deep heart stuff but I guess my question is so you would if it during a Yoni Puja you would obviously be accessing the so-called Grafenberg Spot or whatever you know the goddess spot is a better way to put it but it wasn’t the sort of Silver Bullet kind of medical prescribe saying like oh you need to go get this G-spot release massage experience have been gone like you go to the temple and you know be a part of some ritual that would be open to initiate soar through some process you would gain access or your your lover would be trained I mean can you could you is it possible to walk through what it would be Circa you know 1000cc going into a tantric Temple and being like hey I heard about this food to thing like where the level of devotion so the the devotional aspic going back to what you started with earlier about you know Debbie worship goddess worship that the at the Yoni and lingam are both this is the consecrating force of the universe right this is where we come together in our too masculine feminine polarities and unite and this creates life and that the entire universe is like a gigantic erotic active love hence we are created this is whole universe so I think that’s where it started begins as is with a larger understanding of of the Oni and the lingam as creators of life and and so maybe a little bit further apart from the individuals Yoni but more so from this or the cosmic sense I think that as as you go in to to worship and individual Yoni the inside of the woman’s body generally in the tradition from the from all of everything that I’ve read everything that I’ve learned and understood and and things that have been performed on me that it was not actually accessed on the inside that’s the mystery right that’s the Beautiful Mystery of the universe that’s the mystery of like what a woman’s body does so as far as I know it and I’m just being really really honest here what I’ve read in the things that I experience at that traditional level we’re less about going on the inside and more about the honoring and devotional aspect on the outside and that’s why I think that somewhere along the way probably probably pass the time of whatever was written about was where the inside of the body started to get incorporated as a means for for healing but here’s the same the lingam Yoni connected was on the inside so so you know what I mean you know what I mean so it’s like in a way your were accessing the mystery mine that yeah they actually did it just hit me so crystal clear right now we are so wounded and detached and not that every active sexual love has to involve and inserted object that’s a human lingam or just the idea that you can’t have sex with your doctor even if the doctor is trying to heal sexually or something that’s the reason I had to be really divorced from that Union is that we live in the modern world that’s hyper regulated so now it’s sort of it sort of like that maybe had to evolve into this clinical finger based process but then there’s there’s benefits from that it’s not like it’s the first time obviously have the entire world history of lesbian sex and all of the foreplay and like the Chinese were very advanced in their deer pillow books you know that it’s wasn’t like it was a history of reaching in there for various desired effects but have that makes a lot of sense that you wouldn’t you wouldn’t have to it wouldn’t be necessary nice way to practice back then it would just be okay partner up and do what you know how to do instinctually in when you going to stop on the wheel now you’re in front of this person and you need to get beyond all of your preconceptions about attraction or who you think you should be with or want to be with and it just has to go because this person is divine in front of you and and and now this is the practice you know you’re going to unite and you know what lesbianism gay people is it was like there was all kinds of sex even then it’s not like everybody was heterosexual and not and not everybody who went to sit with the guru is heterosexual but we understand and Tantra that there is a lock-in key effect that happens when you bring together the lingam in the Yoni so it doesn’t matter your orientation but for that specific practice in that Tradition at that time right now and that time it mattered that there was the lingam and the Oni connecting and that that was that sort of lock and key effect that unlocked the mysteries of the universe and your potential as a Divine being actually something you brought up in that in that bit there I think there is a lot of confusion around how the if I’m not you might be better be probably better pronouncing it then I have I don’t know if I’ve heard it actually spoken but the word my tuna or my through I don’t know if it’s a good position to kind of clarify and you just let me know you go to a Puja and it’s a cross between the preschool patty cake and whatever people were doing back when they were doing the five M’s and transgressive practices and passing around cups of wine so I just actually read in a book recently that the tantric way I believe it’s called is the country way I would like the most descriptive no-nonsense if you know it would take an issue it’s about a year of screening and then the ritual go on for about an hour and a half and they had this many cups of wine that were passed around in a circle and it was like all of the mechanics that I’ve never heard in one place at one time or read about what that ritual actually entailed and they even had sort of like I like a coat of arm or emblem kind of thing with little icons of the five transgressive gems and other stuff so you talked about just now you mentioned just briefly that that hooja of that ritual you would be you would be rotating like clockwork between potential strangers if they’re not they weren’t all strangers and it was to achieve some sort of mystical effective like you’re saying unlocking the universe and having you know he said he’s effects happen so do you want to give you her sort of a bit of share your understanding of what that would it look like it’s just as if you were you were giving it to a production crew so that they could reenact okay production crew I want to see what this look like I really you know but you know it’s interesting because I got it the first place that I go is more at that deeper level of what was the point of this and had a very deep level the point was non-duality was it was to understand that you know nothing was inherently bad that nothing is inherently good here we are using the five items that are completely forbidden to show that hey we can do this inside this ritual and and nobody’s going to burn in hell for doing it and nobody’s going to get brownie points to go to heaven either it’s it’s it’s it’s a non dual experience it’s a Continuum of the hole and so when I guess you know going back to the production level or there have to be some teaching on that and and you know I visualize and an inner circle and Outer Circle and a rotation of those Circle so that you are doing a sort of a mini poodle mini ceremony with each person that you’re with and each one has a meaning and has a connection to a to a different aspect of the ritual until you get to the point where you are now going to go into sexual Union and okay could I still be able to 2nd generation Fusion experience that I’ve had him on as a guest and he is a great perspective by calling the Karate Kid of Tasha in that experience a sequence of offerings and on rings and sort of time gestures that were so that you would go through a rotation numerous times and you would encounter the same person numerous times and it was sort of an Excel around o of of purpose and meaning and emotional depth so is that just to kind of put us in that in the frame a little bit you’re saying you wouldn’t just be like okay everybody strip down and person a on Inner Circle connect with person be on Outer Circle and sexually and then move on to the next would actually be like a sort of spiraling Cujo kind of practice wear multiple different interactions would happen if the oven on sexual nature that would lead up to okay now we’re getting to the end of the the union party absolutely because not all aspects of the ritual were sexual and you look at the the different aspects from what we know there’s you know there’s I’m ingesting a food or of a substance involved there is there there’s various aspects and then of course there’s there’s the devotional pieces and there’s Mantra and there’s meditation Mayo there’s a lot of auspices so here’s the thing is it and I love your question because you know the David Gordon white rights and I think it’s called the kiss of the Oconee that the difference between Neo Tantra and classical Tantra is that Neo Tantra is ritualized sex where classical Tantra is sexualized ritual well that is a big stinky yeah yeah need to be all aspects of it had some sexual component it means that we are doing ritual and inside that ritual to increase the potency or to unite more deeply or more parsley we’re going to add a desexualized aspect all right wow that’s so amazing I really like that yeah that that kind of sums it up a lot of the women I talk to who are country codes or are saying to me been if you have the opportunity to initiate a woman in the time sure you should you should refer her into a coven of tantric sisterhood’s where she can actually get purified of all of the douchebags she’s been fucking in her that you know Daddy Issues on stuff and then if she’s interested after that if she hasn’t totally changed her life path and she still is he not attracted to you then will you know arrange something for the both of you chaperoned you know what I mean that would be the the highest standard of Ethics that I could hold myself to with that you know the spirit of that idea of just like don’t just be harvesting souls and have a real sloppy scummy kind of you know where is a male practitioner or unit initiate women do if they come to it because they want better sex or they have their there they have whatever issues you know what do you think about those problems in general can opens up set up Pandora’s Box really big topic we can go to a lot of directions with it but here’s what I’ll say absolutely when there is a teacher-student relationship there’s always a the power Dynamic and so it’s important for all parties to be aware of that and naturally a student and aspirin would want to experience what a master is really like you know in in the sexual department so when that it would that opportunity is given to them they are probably going to grab at it and say yes I want to go for it how they feel later on is going to be a whole different story and that’s going to potentially either get the teacher and a lot of deep trouble or or make them all better of a teacher you know and end so there’s a lot of different scenarios and a lot to be said about that and I’ve dealt with it in in my circles many many times and you know obviously consent and various other preparations for something like that are important but here’s what I’ll say is that I would not be the woman that I am today and I would not be the t-shirt that I am today if I had not had sexual experiences with my teachers so I am deeply grateful and appreciative of those experiences because they taught me and gave me a reference point for what energy feels like in my body for how to awaken centers in my brain through my orgasm I wouldn’t have had those I would have no idea what that’s like if I hadn’t had those experiences and so I’m very grateful to them do you ever get that fair enough I kind of feel the same way I mean that’s kind of back-and-forth and it’s because you don’t like I’ve been trying to be the the purified feminist sort of shock to Tantra representative with on a tight leash you know at end as I pursue this cuz I’ve seen the people go through you decades if those pitfalls and I’d certainly you know standing on the backs of giants myself and using opportunities like this intelligently to get the best best practices from people further down the path I am so it was someone who said to me yeah you do women need to initiate Each Other Well what if what if they don’t want to but if they don’t want that. I mean so like what do I do so with that sort of comedy and see at Regal piece set up I’m I’m curious would you let say to you were in a situation where you have like you were Rolodex of masterful tantric men who you have either engaged with yourself or who have good reviews or whatever within your circle they’re sort of trust Trustees of the technology and you were to be a say oh my God I’m starting to sound like a a romance novel hear something but you actually are the Priestess who you know the the the new generation of initiates godino looks up to you to be able to have access but two of basically avoid all these pitfalls and so here’s the Practical question should there be a referee or an observer or somebody keeping things accountable to some level of of like Priestess class ethics and oversight for so that women don’t get mine fucked in like 10 really like spiritually raped by people who have more sort of of a black magic agenda whether they know it or not whether they’re true Sorcerers or they’re just unconscious sorceress Jose I know you’re not exactly a night and I actually love the way you frame to a referee and yes my answer is yes I believe that there should be a I think that that’s an important piece to when when engaging with students to have a another person and that that that the person in power can turn to and say hey I’m looking at connecting with this woman or this man you know nnn what do you think are they stable do you think it would be wise you know I didn’t really get a second opinion and have somebody who who has an unbiased opinion and in fact in an insta and International School Temple Arts you know in our training program at a certain point further down in the training you know that week-long training we open the field and we say what you know everybody can now engage in whatever way that they choose you know you hate your power to say no you’re empowered to call in your boundaries and that includes the facilitators however we won’t make invitation that’s that’s alright that’s our main pieces we will not make the invitation so somebody comes to us with an invitation who wants to connect before we can say yes then we need to go and speak to the other facilitators and that’s how we manage this power Dynamic that otherwise gets trampled on because you know a person and Powers as well you know this cute young hot thing wants to be with the teacher and yeah so we managed it. That’s so fascinating that’s beautiful and I’m so glad to hear that cuz I feel like coming full circle as we’re kind of wrapping up here on time it’s the essence of this whole conversation was where is the fucking Guru who knows how to fucking deal with this shit because this is serious shit you know and that that would be there maybe needs to be a security deposit or sort of like a you know I kept thinking I’d like an AA sponsor or something somebody who’s further down the path who’s trusted to make wiser decisions than you if you’re just starting at the bat and there doesn’t seem to be for a variety of reasons you know I just hear nothing but horror stories from young women who go to a meet up and just get I fucked by some Demon you know is whether it’s the teacher or just some sketchy dude off the street who could afford you know this relatively affordable way to buy something that was never to be sold really in that way many of us have been walking this path for a long time we’ve seen a lot of things just like what you’re explaining and we’re figuring ways out to get around that because we will not stop connecting when people want to connect with teacher we don’t believe that it’s a wrong path we just need to know how to do it the right way and there are those of us who are carving a path for that will thank you so much I can’t tell you what time we this is you know well I really feel the spirit just really beautiful Vibes with reconciling that cuz it can tear you apart I mean I’ve been nice I’d say I’ve been celibate most of my adult life just out of fear of being that guy you know and being that guy with Tantra is like being that guy on steroids if you know if you’re if you’re doing it wrong you know so well do you want to talk about your offerings now you know where people can find you and certainly how to connect and all that good stuff website is ecstatic awareness.com ecstatic awareness.com but that’s going to change in a few weeks I’m rebranding everything it’s going to move to my name Tree on become Aviv, I’m really excited about that I’m writing a book it’s going to be a foreman for soulful men sexuality for the Soulful man to reach out to me just go to my way my two websites for spitting on when you hear this and and reach out to me and we’ll just jump on the phone together and and see what you’re looking for what you need I’m happy to spend some time with you and and see how I can serve you and support you awesome thanks so much so and do you have any other final words or advice you like to share final words come talk to me if you’re curious about what I’ve said here you know reach out to me through my website find me on Facebook and and let’s have a conversation because if you’re curious about this path I’m happy and Overjoyed to be able to share awesome well thank you again so much I really appreciate it and all the work and play and effort you put into establishing yourself in this world and being a strong empowered voice and I really can’t thank you enough so yeah I have a great night and he’s got a www.hunterfan.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help us out a permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Sex Magic and Tantric Public Policy with Laurie Handlers TPP37

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Laurie Handlers picIn this episode I’m joined by the illustrious Laurie Handlers for a discussion about modernizing Tantra and designing new public policies to support sexual exorcism, healing, health and wellness. We also cover the basics of practicing sex magic to manifest your dreams and desires.

Laurie’s Bio
Laurie Handlers is a film producer, sex educator, author, and intimacy coach. You could call her a Sex and Happiness Coach! If you want to get sexier and happier, call her!

She holds a Masters degree in Education and a Bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Sociology. Her career includes over thirty years as a corporate change consultant, individual empowerment coach and international seminar leader.

She is a dynamic speaker, facilitator and has taught transformational workshops for women, men, couples, singles, parents and teens since 1978 on techniques and secrets that are the basis of healing the body, releasing past emotional trauma, stopping the aging process, and reducing stress.

Please visit https://butterflyworkshops.com to access all of Laurie’s great works!

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 37 I’m so excited to be here with Laurie handlers on Skype and Laurie I’ve been a big fan of listen to all of your podcast and I really have been profoundly influenced and inspired by your great work so if you would would you give us a bit of background on your sort of life history and Township journey and all of your offering these days oh my goodness how much time do you have when I was a college and teacher High School teacher than a college teacher and I taught psychology and sociology and from there I would lived in Boston and I started teaching assertive communication at 2 adult education centers in Boston and Industry in the form of digital equipment corporation started to send all their staff to me and pretty soon they hired me please to fly me running to helicopter to their meetings to teach their staff how to communicate so I had a big career in corporate Consulting and was that Midler anyway moved over in the 90s I was doing consulting to the government to city state and federal governments under the Clinton Administration I was taking people off the welfare rolls and getting them employable like it was teaching them how to have a job Essick I didn’t know someone else to use computers and answer the phone and everything but I taught them how to sustain themselves get off the welfare rolls dress properly carry themselves and conduct themselves properly not use their children as an excuse to stay home from work and I got lots of people employed and I had lots of contracts and it was wonderful and at the same time I was studying Tantra so the 90s I started studying Tantra and I always knew that there was something more to sex then just boom boom and you know the in and out what are we called friction thank you ma’am five I always knew there was more to it and I was never able to find a partner who was really confident enough to go really deep with me to where I thought it was possible to go and then I found Tantra and I went over this is it this is the root this is how I’m going to find it so I was taking time for classes and I was doing my Consulting to the government and I was in a teacher training program with absolute Andra and then all of a sudden George W bush got elected and he took all the contracts that were from welfare-to-work and gave them to faith-based organizations like churches which I didn’t own one and I don’t plan on only one and so I didn’t really know what I was going to do like thousands and thousands of dollars were going out of my pocket I had to let go of all my employees I mean it just was a life-altering experience to have nothing from so much something and so if you don’t talk about transformation so I just went oh you know what I’m going to take my hobby and make it into my vocation because sex always sells and there’s no government that we’ll be able to legislate if I’m going to make money this year or not and so that’s it I just never looked back I I open my doors I put out my shingle I said I was teaching Tantra and because I had been involved in I don’t know if you know about Landmark Education Landmark education is a transformation company that’s all over the world it used to be the S training and then it became Landmark Education anyway I work there before I had all those government contacts I was at work in house for them and I knew people all over the east coast and all over the United States and when I left there and I started doing Tantra lots of people said what is she doing I’ll have what she’s having so a lot for 10 years I had students Galore I didn’t have to do too much enrollment I had full classes I lived in Washington DC and then I traveled up and down the east coast and I had you know I was launched and it was it was great it was really great but you know that’s that’s the 90s and took out two thousand three four and then things changed to get the economy changed lots of things happened so what we can talk about all that but that’s basically how it started how I got started in it and I I was I knew enrollment because when I worked at Landmark Education I that’s what what I was I was the queen of enrollment of enrolling people at the courses so I just took all my transformation skills while my Roman skills and I married them with with Chandra and that’s it the rest is history yeah that is that is so cool I love hearing about how people find these healing Pathways after having been relieved highly trained in the modern Western world and all of its different tools and tactics and when you get the ancient wisdom to synthesize with all of this modern stuff those are my hero so you’re definitely he just blew my mind I’m like so I said thank you for sharing that I don’t think I had gotten quite all of those details at once from all the podcast and that really really perfectly puts in context exactly what I want to explore with you today which is really big picture Blue Sky budget out-of-the-box thinking about the future of tantric public policy and you know I’ve been thinking of the really there’s is parallel going on with psychedelic Shamanism and medicines where it’s like there’s one track of standardization medicalization westernization of very esoteric and very wild and and natural squarely substances and the rituals and ceremonies around him and then you have to sort of religion icing track which is to protect the Integrity of sacred traditions and not force them to be accountable to the scientific method or two standard dosage is and what not and I feel like what I’m observing in the transfer world is that Sexual Healing you know sexual exorcism these ways of doing sort of thumb very deep healing work there isn’t a political legal space or language to support what we’re doing so I feel like what a lot of times because you’re doing is what you could consider back alley exorcism because you’re not being protected by by public policy clinical standards and is so there’s this whole range of legality illegality and pseudo legality you could say and there’s people who are getting persecuted and prosecuted and people who are figuring out how to buy legal protection or find loopholes and really it’s like such a mess and so I’m curious from your perspective you know what the question I frame that I sent you is if you if you if there could be a happy medium between legalizing all prostitution in the US and medicalizing tantric Sexual Healing Touch and sexual surrogacy how would you advise a legislative committee to structure the regulations but it’s a big mouthful questions Act of setting the context though because you know I don’t know about your listeners but some of my listeners are on my shell or some are very aware of what’s happened because I ran a few shows with panels from people talking about what happened in Phoenix Arizona which is where I live when the temples in Phoenix and Sedona were busted and I had a bunch of experts on and Tracy at least who was the goddess mother of the Tantra Temple here has been on my show number of times as well and I taught there I taught at the temple so I have a you know I have some I haven’t take on it I have a few different points of you wanted actually I could go back and forth these first of all I feel like the work that people are doing in sacred sexuality is you’re the only other person I’ve ever heard call it exorcisms I call it modern-day exorcism and I have very special practices that I use for those exorcisms and people see me individually for that and I don’t do too many of that out those because for many reasons but one is the legality I don’t want to touch people I don’t want to have sex practice sessions with people because I don’t want to I personally don’t want to take money for any kind of touching bodies and I just want to be above the law you know it for me now I anyway feel that it should be legalized that people should be able to do these kind of practice this because I feel except for what people believe is inevitable death which is why they are sort of hung up you know like the fact that they’re going to be no more here on the planet at some point we’re going to have to leave loved ones or loved ones are going to leave them that’s that’s a terrible wounding and I’m also in the in a camp that’s fighting that so that we don’t have to get into that right now I don’t believe that the Natural end to life is death so that’s just a whole other can of worms to open up but besides the fear of death the only other thing that I think has caused major problems on our planet is sexual wounding yes so I’m a strong advocate of being able to Hill the root causes and the root chakra the root area of the body and I personally first-hand know that it’s more effective than going and talking and talk therapy for years and years and years for being on Zoloft Prozac and whatever else or being on Viagra or Cialis or don’t get me started on all these drugs but these wounds that people have because of the history of you know the inequality between the Sexes women trading sex to get security and get love men trading love to get sex and keeping ownership over women and and making most of the rules for centuries to be changing a little bit it’s not healthy for anyone and everyone has to embrace their not only their light but they’re dark there light and the shadow and they also need to embrace what’s inside them which is their masculine or feminine and the only way that I know to do that is to is to heal the wounds that is made people think that there that their gender is attached to a certain role that there that they have to play these stupid games with each other and then in other parts of the world that they get that women have to cover up and wear these 10 you know with only their eyes showing in their own by like their cattle but by men I mean it’s crazy and once that gets healed if it ever will get healed then that will change the way people take life or or fight over oil or consider war with one another I mean when women have their say I and are not seen as property I think that’s some Dynamics in the world when changing when men can be vulnerable and don’t have to hold up the Florida and they can cry and they can say you know that didn’t feel good today or whatever when those rolls shift I think the will see a different kind of operating system on the planet now that’s said I think all of it should be legalized so even though I’m not a prostitute I don’t do sexual work like that my work takes place in classes then most of the time my classes are closed although there’s some advanced classes that I do where I usually take people out of the United States and then they can have clothing optional experiences and there is some touch the I think all of it should be legal I think I would advise lawmakers to get over there and you know to take a time to class and see and then and then see how that would affect the overall mood attitude climate of their culture and that’s so that’s I mean that’s like a blanket statement and but I still as I said I have kind of both takes on what actually happened here in Phoenix so but anyway that’s that’s that’s for starters yeah well you know what I’ve been thinking about me I feel like you’re the perfect person to talk to you about this because I tried to get to this level of conversation with but it’s just very few people who have this this broader public policy perspective and the experience in the trenches of the spiritual you know combat with that were involved in any it’s not all Bliss bunnies is it so yeah so you know what to go to jail real real people suffer real people’s families get taken away from them if they’re involved in this kind of thing from time to time it does it’s not often that it happens but it does that you so something that that comes to mind and I just like playing with thought experiments and like I said thinking on the box and I really it’s it’s voice is like yours that are that I believe are going to be able to push forward something like a dare program for sexual violation and recovery and therapy and education where if you think about when the drug war was you know at the Epic of of when there is developing the Dare program which I’m sure you remember I don’t know if what it’s the evolve into now but they were actually I was in school as a child they showed me what the drugs look like and I got to meet the police dogs and I don’t know if I got to witness like a reformed drug-dealing criminal tell their story but that’s the kind of stuff where it’s like imagine if you were in the streets of my next question about a blue sky budget to develop projects and programs like if you were to be selected to to head up a national Tantra task force where you were going to educate let’s say that we’ve gotten past the point of the crisis point where people admit that there is however their religion wants to frame it we admit that there is a an epidemic of trans-dimensional parasitic organisms that we used to call demons that we need to treat like a like an infectious disease that’s contagious that we need to quarantine it and and we need to disinfect and purify wounded astral bodies of the people who been attacked and we need to do harm reduction and slow down the spread of the entities that are responsible for possessing mostly men into sexual predation if that’s something that that the world can finally have a medical language is scientific medical language to deal with then they will start to allocate the funds to hire people like you to design the national International task force has to actually get the education on the ground this is what we’re dealing with like when AIDS came out and I know you you were very active and where would not happen so if if if if it’s psychedelic shamanic Paradigm Shift 2 Revolution enlightens people in the tantric you know kind of Revolution like his people to where they realize all the porn is being you know as a is culprit in propagating these entities and not all of it but a lot of the very few know that you could say satanic parts of it still there so many different things so we can open the vale open People app have give people these Revelations and then and then the budget will be there and the buy-in and the acceptance okay we trust these authorities these are the experts in these are the people who know what what what we’re dealing with and we’re going to take their lead so if we are let’s say hopefully in the next like few years would be nice timeline for my taste but let’s just say what how long it takes and you you’re into the the immortality thing so hey what shift is going to happen and I could see you as being one of those leaders so let’s just put ourselves in that magical mind frame of Blue Sky budget you have all the money in the world everyone is is bought in because they trust and believe that you and your colleagues in your staff and your team’s know how to go in and educate and inform people and set up the that the spiritual barricades and practices that are going to keep people safe and have them so they can learn how to practice spiritual hygiene sexual spiritual hygiene that was a big preface but now I really want to tongue twisters in there till you said there was a lot of words in there that I was like well I was he saying those in one sentence it’s it’s it’s a very dense study and so you know the simplify it I will I’ll say again Laurie handlers about to you and I Christen you as the the leader of the township task force and here’s all the money here is all the popular support how are we going to fix these problems with the really sensible programs that would be like the Dare program for sacred sexuality list X New York City Cop just told me that hit that there are these programs on college campuses now with a combination of sexual like rape prevention bully prevention get a date rape prevention all this kind of stuff so he’s told me to start to go after that money so I’m just letting you know that I have and I have eight apprentices and I haven’t assigned anybody to it yet but I will be assigning somebody to start looking at it and seeing what we could apply for also just so you know I started to try and stalk the NFL National Football League because I felt that the principle that have money and second of all these guys are doing terrible some of these guys not often but some of these guys are doing terrible things to their wives to other women to other to themselves and their families and I felt that I could start their you know like I could make a name for myself by working with football players or basketball players cuz I know I can help them improve their performance what to see this is the this is the quandary they get paid for testosterone on the court or on the field of play and then they’re saying testosterone which makes them such a great player makes them so inept at life makes them mix their hormones rage and they don’t know what to do and you knows people like Ray Rice beat up their wife and an in it on a camera and an elevator I mean you know that’s crazy and then they and then you know they could penalize they are thrown out of the game nothing really bad happens to them because the NFL just says you know where the NFL you can stop us don’t try to tell us anything we’re not interested but I just want to let you know I mean I have tried to go after some of these groups I’ve had some very good conversations with pro ball players who actually got it what I said about what I could do but you know nobody’s giving me the shot yet I’d I have I do have some professional athletes that work with me I have a cage fighter and I’ve had some I have some basketball players pet it’s up to you know I what I would do I would do I would I would attack the problem from every aspect multi-dimensional I would produce films I would have cadres of trained Professionals in school systems working with people working with parents working with teachers I work by the way now I work on it with a foundation that works with trauma in the schools and I train the social workers in in trauma release the same exact things that are doing a time for class I just do I just I don’t put in the side and we don’t I don’t sit over building a sexual charge like I just said okay lay on the floor we doing buy one Exotics release we’re doing this kind of release for doing that kind released and where the body keeps all this drama is in What’s called the lower chakras are the lower part of the body you know you add up the dots yourself and then I teach them to go into the school systems and teach what I’m teaching them to nurses and teachers so when kids are traumatized by experience is like with someone going into the school and shooting it up and kids don’t want to go to school anymore like all the teachers and the principles and the and the nurses are alerted to how to deal with that those kids were traumatized cuz they’re traumatized to so you know on a very minor level it’s creeping in but the big scale Blue Sky what you’re talkin about I mean I would start with the president you know I would start with Congress I would start with the Senate and I would work my way through the NFL the NBA the NHL that you know the national I don’t think baseball players are as violent but you know I’d work through all these big organizations that have so much say and how our culture is and you know and I went up from I wasn’t educated remember I have a master’s degree in education so I know that learning styles are different not everybody can learn by listening not everybody can learn by seeing some people have to learn by doing so I would design programs on every level you know that that would stimulate people in Everett and all their senses and so that they wouldn’t understand it’s not rocket science it’s easy to learn containment boundaries and Trauma release once you’re clear so I would set upon a problem with getting everybody clear of the of those those major device that they have between masculine feminine and with and with the wounding that’s taking place and you know what let me tell you something in a psychiatrist in was in Philadelphia Vivian do see a psychiatrist years ago who was one of my first student said to me you get done in 3 days more than I get done with some people in 7 years and I always remember that because it was a really big compliment you know a lot of my clients are psychologists and psychiatrists a lot of people who come to my classes and you know they say that the work is getting done by someone like me and I’m not I’m certainly not the only one and they’re in all of it but they can’t even refer their clients to me because if anything should go wrong they could lose their license they have governing boards the something else that you know I’m not of this I’m not I can’t claim to be I cannot claim to be of the school of thought that says Tantra is a religion I personally am not religious I’m not too boo boo either so I don’t look at my practice as a belief my practices have changed my life they have transformed me I went from being out so wonderful and friendly and you know smart woman to be but with we had lots and lots of stored anger to being a cam and happy and not the stress person because I let go of my woundings and I don’t even I can’t even name them I was not raped by anybody my father didn’t incest me to the best of my knowledge I don’t even know where the anger and all of that angst Came From My Friends Love Me In Spite of it back then but it was my job to find a solution and looking for the why didn’t answer the question so I just did the practices and eventually I didn’t have any more there was no more slush fund of anger left hanging around waiting to spring on someone so if I could do that and I was extremely I’m just I’m playing it down but I’m letting you know like if you were my friend back and who knows when the day if I was mad at you I then I would call you at 3 in the morning to see how you sleeping and you said yeah and I go well I’m not and we’re going to talk I was very aggressive I didn’t know how to deal with it I was honest so I could we could work it out but I didn’t know what to do with if you looked at me funny I would be like her I don’t have any more takes a lot to get me pissed really I can’t even find that rage in me anymore time for did that from me and it’s done miraculous things for almost everybody that I know Christmas in the Park you know I say why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t somebody you know nothing but here’s the thing there’s always the rub witches in order to look if you want to live forever I’m just going to say you’re going to have to be responsible for a lot of things that you think in your body toxic thoughts you’re going to have to get responsible for like a Raticate in those then you’re going to be held responsible for what kind of foods and substances you put in your body then you got to get responsible for how much stress you take how much of a workaholic you are a couch potato or whatever you can have to get responsible for how much exercise you’re going to get at no matter what age and how much sex you’re going to have cuz you need that to you need your cells in your brain and everything needs oxytocin and endorphins and serotonin so if you’re going to be sexually free an unknown encumbered by the fear of public opinion by Fear Itself by Shame by blame by Gilda all the ways we’ve been controlled by either our family our religion or our education system where the government or whatever people you know I’m not going to get into conspiracy theory here but got want to be free you got to get responsible and that a lot of people when I say you know why wouldn’t you then you know the other side of the question is most people don’t want to bother their happy being couch potatoes drinking their beer going on you know being totally controlled by advertising this is some stuff that I’m really now I’m really excited to get a little more in detail that’s the the definitely the big picture of the archetypal picture of where we’re at and over the course of us until your podcast there’s been a few really memorable Peaks for me in and I really like the way you language this modernization of the ancient wisdom in a way that really transcends this kind of nasty and kind of I guess cynical attitude of the the righteous and Pious traditional and authentic perspective and then the the sort of dismissive the Neo Tantra or just sex crazed you know compulsive and impulsive sexual addicts and so there’s not really a there’s not at there needs to be an integrative Tantra practice between the ancient traditional and the modern and the people who have put it the best that you know I said I liked what she were Vijaya says like the spirit of Tantra has come to the west to heal the second chakra because that’s where it’s needed the most that’s where the tree of this is really getting the most in that that’s my word you know for it is that this over at emphasis of the sexual ritual that was really a you know I’m I knew that aspect of the traditional Nishi ations back in the day people then in Ancient India let’s say that they weren’t sexually repressed and they were doing what we’re doing now and are acting almost leave people after the 30s learning finding this like we’re doing kindergarten Tantra in our thirties what would have been what people are doing to initiate their children through a tradition of Priestess matrilineal matriarchal Temple Arts they would be learning how to become full beings at the appropriate stage of the life cycle and they wouldn’t be neurotic and it wouldn’t be Juvenile and sort of sexually and psychologically for most of their adult life and so it makes sense to know that neotantra is focused are I don’t think it’s I think that the spirit of Tantra is massaging the second chakra of the West and that’s why it’s over emphasized because we don’t have the sexual health happiness discipline wholeness that you need to be anchored down enough in the root chakra or the lower chakras to be able to have a platform to ascend into the deeper esoteric practices so you know that when you talk about taking away that that guilt in that responsibility oh we’re not practicing 1000 vs yuno 108 * of this and that and it’s like all those things that make people neurotic about am I doing it the masculine yogic way or am I free to just go with the flow in the feminine sort of traditional myself I just doubt that was just a big omage to how powerful it is that you were great in that language around hate practical this is what we need this is a toolkit this is what I’m going to pull out of my control kit based on my experience and training and here’s some things to sample and you go with what works for you and it doesn’t have to have this tension about Neo vs. classical Contra and that’s what it’s going to take to get the the actual healing potential into things like pamphlets at Planned Parenthood cuz you can’t talk about and really it’s not appropriate to talk about things that don’t fit in the cultural context I don’t want to make a bunch of people like the way that you see white people trying to get their Indian names at the at the powwow and get on the Red Road and just make a mockery of pipe holding and stuff like that it’s like I don’t want to see all these wannabe John shakes trying to extrapolate decide to lifestyle or something and I want to see people you’re not able to be you no functioning in the modern world but learning and sampling these things so so many images so the first of all I am in in my life I spend some time I spend a lot of time in India and I spent a lot of time you know I have a film shot on location India called tantric tourists that if anybody wants to go on iTunes and find I can find it and not only will you have a great trip to India by watching a film that you also see how we do Tantra in India like people tourists come with me to Indian we do talk to their most serious you can’t even find it in India at solving you know it’s all been whitewashed by being conquered so many times and by the conquerors of India 400 times India has been invaded But the other thing is I have never I’ve met very few Yogi’s that I would want to even look like let alone study with like I could I have some awesome that I’ve gone to the people look so dried up like prunes and they were practicing brahmacharya which is celibacy I wouldn’t I would not want it I mean I would just like to take a look at them and feel like I would never want to be that I would never want to be them they don’t they don’t look so in the past at least eight years is taking me to really figure it out like when I came when I left the East Coast when I left New York City to come to Phoenix Arizona I realize I had to repackage myself and one day I just went Eureka like I I’m I don’t call myself a time for Teacher anymore I’m a sex and happiness coach that’s who I am and I named my book sex and happiness in 2006 but you know it’s the tundra claws of intimacy but I name the sex it happen if the two most Googled words I didn’t say I didn’t even know they were when I named it that and then then I got bored with Tonka and when I had my radio show toddler Cafe if one more person to 5:10 if I said what’s your favorite practice if one more person that I gave me like I was so bored out of my mind so I said I hate this like I’m I’m not that I don’t want to talk about this anymore I want to broaden this to the whole world to that to everyone so I named my show after my book sacks and happiness and then one day I woke up and went sex and happiness coach which gave me a much broader audience a lot of people don’t want exactly what you’re talkin about let’s let me tell you I did the Thousand eight times chanting on kriya Babaji no, I mean you know what I got out of it while I don’t even know what I got out of it I did this exercise I had to write it a thousand eight times and my teacher said you have to write the whole thing ohm kriya Baba ji na ma and you have to write it like that but you know I’m a New York kids so I wrote like 1008 times down the page and then I wrote Crea Crea Crea you know when the teacher in school makes you know right on the board you talk in class so you know a hundred times I’m it’s like I couldn’t wrap my arms around not granted there are people who can but my point is I’ve never met anybody I’m just trying to really check in if I’m telling the truth here I don’t think I’ve ever met anybody who follows the tradition has like a Westerner who actually is walking around happy like happy like joyous some people are walking around you note in the so-called non-attached then space some people are walking around celibate and they don’t look good to me and then there’s people I don’t know I just all this rigidity there is something listen there is something from the Traditions that that is to be translated and pulled over but it has to be dissed up in a context that westerners can actually get and Western still sickle and their attention span is so little because of the internet you know They seized and their phones and their devices and you have to Dish it up fast you have to I have to catch their attention in 2 seconds and say okay look you can get sexier and happier if you come to see me now that’s what you know they come and they think I’m going to like having really bad. Crazy sex and I’m going to get really happy in my gonads or something and that’s not what I’m talking about actually when they come in they seat like it there really is a process there really is a method to the madness there really are practices and they really are rituals but I always tell people please my students anyway I can’t speak for other people please do not make this into a religion I’m not giving it to you that way my recommendation is that if you do something like a cobra breath that you do it 7 to 10 times a day if you don’t that’s okay if you do it three times a week 7 to 10 times a day okay and if you don’t do it exactly that amount you’re not going to be struck by lightning just do it and see what changes for me the anger dissipated my friends thought I was on Prozac you know they said you’re so, what happened to you I said unto I’m taking Tantra I’m not taking Prozac if you want real change in your life you are going to have to commit to doing something but it doesn’t have to be super expensive it doesn’t have to ruin your liver have to do something but you don’t have to do it 1008 times I I I don’t I don’t believe that you have to and I’m not teaching it that way and you know there’ll probably be Yogi’s and Tom talk to her going like who is she what is she doing and I don’t care let him challenge me yeah it’s you know I I I do respect the lineage holders and and I think social already did a lot of this killing of sacred cows let’s say about her and loving and accepting all of his frailties along with it at the 99 rolls-royce’s if I heard about it you know what I would do with one Rolls-Royce I can only imagine but this weekend and it was awesome I much rather have a Tesla yasso at on the other end then on the other hand so there’s this again I’m deep in the I want to synthesize psychedelic Shamanism and tantric sexual healing and do it in laboratory controlled setting so that we have repeatable experimental study designs that any researcher in the world can replicate and create a database of falsifiable scientific research data and then we can bring that to the the the lawmakers in the policymakers and get you know I don’t want to have to go to international waters to get away from all these Draconian laws about what we can do with our Consciousness and how we can use pleasure for medicine or not I mean it’s just so insanely backward well I got listen there they just like they’ve done stage of studies on everything else there have been studies not in the United States but there have been studies in Sweden maybe there are some of the United States I have to get out look on it but they’re which I do have where they’ve done studies on people doing a self pleasure masturbation and people doing studies on same-sex couples couples having sex and they’ve shown studies about depression that running oxytocin serotonin and dopamine through the body makes people happier the more regular sex if people have sex in general I’m not to talk about tantric sex which is so which is the two aspects of Tantra sex would you make Tom trousseau deep and soul appealing even though most people again they don’t even know it when they are seeking Tantra or sacred sexuality will call they don’t even know that this is what they’re seeking but there’s most people know about procreative sex that’s what you do. Babies every animal can do that and does do it human beings do it too and some people leave it at that butt human beings because of a frontal cortex have so much more ability to create I know this is a subject you wanted to cover Sex Magic will get there human beings have more capacity to create from Sexual Energy other than making babies since so procreation is a primitive form of sex the next is Recreation that’s like I got I go to a bar I you know you know I’m looking for sex you know what I’m looking for love but I’m going to have sex you know in all the wrong places or whatever so that’s recreational sex Sports fucking their people who said and I told you earlier in my life I used to be on a seafood diet like I thought I saw someone I want to be with I was with him when I took Tanto my whole attitude towards everything changed my body is a temple there’s no way that I would interact with just anybody but you and I agree with this we said just real quick I got it I got to support you something you said which is it the more the deeper and more I go into Tantra the less sex and sex partners I really feel like I need Divine Union and I feel like while the discernment from that is such a gift so I just wanted to the assignment discernment discernment my favorite word Tasha has changed my whole life in that aspect so now there’s two more forms of sex and people this is what they’re really seeking unbeknownst to them for the most part 1 restoration sex which has to do with restoring your entire body feeling full rejuvenating yourselves getting cocktail to the brain that it needs to feel happy and content and self-love that has to happen through through restoration restaurant have sex and that is one of the primary aspects of sacred sexuality like feeling good and being able to be orgasmic and being able to flow and being able to to embrace the body as this wonderful miracle that it is other form of sex is transformation transformational sex has to do with being able to know not only is my masking my feminine impact within me I have become my own beloved I don’t need anybody on the outside I love myself I’m married to myself and if someone comes on the outside that I actually want to have Cosmic Union with then that’s a gift but I am Sovereign and I’m not subject to rock and roll songs ache that sells you know I want to break my heart open to the whole world and not be in that that karmamudra 1 deficient parasitic. I’m paraphrasing but I’m I’m with you on that Hollywood cozmo you know whatever the pap is as being served up in the day and you know most people are just what they want with what you know I always you must have heard this because if you’d listen to all my shows I talked about this all the time in 2004 the cover of Newsweek magazine had a couple one had the laptop in the lab the other one had the clicker double if you know sex has come home you’re so exhausted and stressed out from the brook and the day and all the things that they were combating it like life is like this war that people go to they don’t even want to have sex with who wants to get that vulnerable with each other those are the people who come to see me you know a lot of those people are to be or someone who lost a partner or somebody who who people who are recuperating from a mastectomy people who people who just know there’s something more to life and mean those are the kind of people who come to me and they know they don’t know that they’re seeking restoration and transformation but they are and they somehow they get this Clemson it could happen through sex and you know what I’m here to say I’m happy to say I’m thrilled to say yay it’s right in your body and guess what it’s for you can use your own hands you know something that came to mind as you were as you were speaking it’s it’s like I was in ayahuasca ceremony you know and I was getting some pretty intensive Soul retrieval work done and you know the I was getting glimpses and Visions for the first time something I’ve gotten much more sophisticated at now identifying species of demons as they were defined in this ancient scriptures and as they can be seen you know in the Psychedelic space and it’s been a minute it just dawned on me I had to ask the shaman I said are these entities that you know parasitize our fears and and sort of live off of negative vibrations are they fire logical entities meaning there could be things that might actually eat them on the bigger scale of astral plane in the same ways that we can disinfectants reduce them out and she says yes they are organisms and love is the disinfectant and that was very striking to me so I think about you know what’s happening with Tantra and sex and happiness and what you’re saying I’m in the visual to me from that shamanic dimensional space of looking at things just like what people want to have that friction sex and it really it’s like you’re pouring your pouring water would say when rain hits a roof or or non-porous driveway it just hits it and it’s there for it until the rain storm is over and it all got washed away picking up a bunch of toxic chemicals in going and killing at things in the ocean but when you create a porous landscape design where your hydrating the soil and you’re capturing that rainwater in in rain water gardens in mulch and stuff and I’ve been all of that moisture gets to percolate down to the deepest subsoil levels and then stay there so when we use the tantric techniques to dilate the chakras and open up the bioenergetic field then obviously you’re sustaining the the duration of lovemaking longer and you’re opening up and I’m more porous way to get that love into the deepest darkest places in this sort of multi-layered infested places of the soul that goes back lifetime so it’s like so I can just see the schematic like a model is very scientific and very easy to convey and you know it’s like sex with happiness and I’ll get with the program here and figure out use these techniques to not just have this 2-minute very surface-level you know quick peek and then it’s over but that doesn’t my reflected ramps and then if you want to talk about how you feel about that and then go into the sex Magik how do we get to the from the restoration and healing to the transformation and what are some of the take-home techniques for the sex Magic Ritual a few basic things clear I say we I had to get clear before I could know what I want so clearing techniques or emotional release techniques like there’s a there’s any number of them I use about 10 different ones that I teach people and they hate doing it cuz they don’t want to take responsibility for all that clutter that they’ve been making up and thinking and then going back to the trauma that happened in their life but I have some techniques that actually don’t make you relive trauma so they can just released first of all people have to get clear so that they know what they actually want in a clear space to once they’re clear they need to set intentions is where the magic comes in. Just set intentions clear intentions I want to write a book I want a loving partner I want this much money I want you to whatever it is done besides clearing and setting clear intentions the other thing that I do owe show did and a few people do not everybody besides teaching the basic breathing techniques and breathing and squeezing Cassandra is really only breathing movement and sound that’s all it is when you when you demystify it it’s breathing movement and sound but it’s really moving to sound in very specific ways once you got those breathing practices I teach people to move in the unknown it’s called LA tejana and I took that as my actual spiritual Enlighten haunted men’s spiritual practice but it’s actually following inner guidance some people call it authentic movement you learn to move with no prescribed dance steps yoga asanas or postures you just let your elbow move you or your head move your foot move you or you don’t move maybe you make sound but I teach people to do that so they taking let go of all the techniques when they’re actually making love the worst thing you want to do is see mechanical let me see somebody’s going to kick you right out of bed because I wanted to bring too much structure into someone just wanted to party and you know it’s sad it hurts with the flow flow in the unknown and receive whatever shows up so okay so that’s what I’m known for in the world I’m like the you know the queen of emotion release and then I teach people to set clear intentions and then I teach people to practices but then I tell him to let them all go so I’m supposed to be dead too so I’m saying all that because before I would talk to you about sex magic and we don’t have much time to talk about it I would say if you take this and make it into a formula and I primarily say this to men if you take Sex Magic and make it into a formula after about the third or fourth time whoever you’re with if it’s a woman is going to like say get out cuz even as good as it was those four times like you got to change something people like change that don’t want to be bored so don’t try to send your getting it right and make it into formula I always like Clash of people about that particular I say that two men because once they get it right they think I’m on to something here to linear thinking exactly so let me just I’ll just say the basic principle of sex magick sex magick is the is using orgasm to create other things besides babies so it’s good it’s intentional use of orgasm to fuel intentions and so if I’m clear about my intentions are and I set my intentions before I set out to have an orgasm then I can actually picture that thing at the moment of orgasm or I can speak that at the moment of orgasm or I can just pray before I would start a session where I was going to have an orgasm and I could pray after and then what I visualized is connecting my orgasm to all the orgasms that ever were in the universe now fitbit’s on the 2nd I’m a chrome which means that I’m over 50 I’m actually over 60 I my given in terms of my intention is that I want to live in this body forever so that’s always in the magic that I make whether it’s through self-pleasure or with a partner and and I connected my orgasms to the wisdom of the crones the wise women who have always lived because somehow in the wise women who have always lived there something there’s some historical body of knowledge there that I want to be connected to that’s my choice that’s where I choose to connect it now in my partner sex Magik so so before of sex session you would set your intention you were first so you might do a clearing you know some emotionally done you would set your intention and then you would begin to self pleasure until the point of orgasm but I would take it slow and beautiful and I would make it like as if there was I was going to be with a partner and the partners me and I would make it yet I would have flowers and I would have candles and I would have to know whatever I would make it a particular kind of a session that was romantic for me and just me now if I was doing that with a partner the way I teach it is a little different there are some schools and traditions that teach sex magic with with a male and female partner having a full-on intercourse that is not my brand of sex magick I teach the male partner in hetero couples for diets what’s called because I hate that concept of a couple of off-world I teach men to actually prey on the woman’s body like it’s the altar at the Temple of his prayer and I don’t care if you mix up a poem he reads Rumi he just and then they line their intentions and he honors her body in a way that she will eventually have an orgasm but I want it to take over an hour like I don’t even want him to go near bringing her to orgasm until she’s so ready to have orgasm orgasm is going to shoot at the top of her head like a rocket ship carrying the intention into that field of orgasm that’s always been and always will be and always you know John has happened historically explain to it’s always there and you can feel it in your knee cap or you can feel it in your Yoni or in your third eye and it’s just a matter of a sending more and more of the tissue in the nervous system into that field through these practices and then you’re in the people called The Miracles on you know where things are malleable and you can Channel becomes the real and yeah beautiful so that’s the way I teach people to do it and I have a whole course it’s a 3-day course it’s the only course that I have where it’s only for couples because most of my courses I don’t care if you’re single if you’re in a diet if you’re hetero if you’re gay if you’re if you’re trans I don’t really care I want people to have pleasure and their bodies what I teach is transformation through pleasure and that’s what I want people to have so I don’t really care what their preference of anything but in this course it’s die as you have to be in pairs and as I said if it’s I don’t wouldn’t care if two women did it and one chose to be the temple The Altar and the other one chose to be the the prayer person I don’t it doesn’t matter to me as long as they’re in tears because that’s the way I like it to work for that course but I didn’t Ivan esta trainer I do I work for the when the International School of Temple Arts which is all around the world and we we we do other things which have self-pleasure ceremonies and stuff so you don’t see me as all-powerful once you get once you get the reins on this what’s the NFL would get its rains on this that which is so disturbing and our world that they would these players with no to play and they would contain when they’re not on the field the closest thing we have in modern Western culture to any throwback of an ocean of the spiritual energetic value of ejaculation regulation in Mastery is that notion that if you have sex before a game you will be the source of the cause of the team losing because you won’t have the power to do the place and so they there is some stage of that wisdom in your ear like yeah I applied you’d go for the top level Enterprise’s and institutions and let them have a high point of Leverage to shift the attitudes of population that’s why I for me it’s about infiltrating the music industry and seeing if there can be you know anthems that teach these techniques and Technologies in a way that just percolates through dance and what you’re saying is totally inspiring to me because I think yeah if you can get one Advocate I mean sting I think is the highest-profile I guess okay then Gwyneth Paltrow I believe Rota tantric sex article so you know sooner or later the streets going to get out before find it in whatever way you need it I think I think we’re probably getting close to the last couple minutes here and I got to get on and I just want to say you know let’s I’m affirming with you these magical it’s magical intentions tonight I think if I could put it in a word or in a bumper sticker be put your vision board on your headboard and thank you I thought you’d appreciate that and I’m going to continue to Avail myself of all of your wonderful resources and works and I I couldn’t have asked for a better more satisfying and fulfilling discussion with you and hopefully many more will come and there’s just one last thing I want to say on behalf of Tracy and the religion izing of concha strategy witch and her case is far as I know so I spoke with her recently is very sincere and I’ll text you my I’m so happy and I believe this is the multi-dimensional multi-pronged approach and there’s got to be a point where we all have our own I am my own religion I can do whatever sacraments I want as long as I’m not using children animals or being a part of the mafia then I should be able to do whatever I feel like with whoever I feel like and it should be none of your business think she is going to Pioneer that for us is like what you know so that’s my prayer right now my biggest fear is for that so we get the public policy Tantra the K through 12 you know what you’re doing bringing it into a practical contacts you get the top-level changemakers influencers and then you have people you know there’s some people who want to make money all day there some people who want to be in church all day and everybody can benefit from this so it’s all going to just roll out and we’re going to live to see it I don’t we website and how people can yes everyone find me or wants to find out more planning to find out you can find my two thumbs Tantra tantric tourists and Beyond dinner and you can just Google them I have my radio show which was mentioned sex and happiness and my book sex and happiness and I have other things I’ve CDs DVDs blah blah blah I have a lot of things and blogs posts and articles and my website you can find everything there it’s it’s butterfly workshops floral butterfly workshops.com just go there and you can find it I’m just about to roll out since I’ve decided I’m finally six and happiness coach I’m just about to roll out a new website called sex and happiness book.com and that I’m done that on Facebook and Twitter so that’s all a lot of things I have to do is type in Laurie handlers Laurie handlers that’s also plural and they can find a gazillion things whether it’s a YouTube video about orgasm and seduction or whether it’s you know something I have to say about sex magic it’s all they’re awesome thank you Lord thank you so much I so appreciate it and we will be in touch and hopefully I’ll see you sometime in the future to www.wrenchapart.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to see me and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been a tantra Punk. 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