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Mindfulness, Nature Immersion, and The Pacific Crest Trail with Jessica Moon TPP241

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In this episode I’m joined by Jessica Moon for a conversation on mindfulness, nature immersion, and hiking the Pacific Crest Trail for 5 MONTHS!

About Jessica:

Jessica Moon is a Stress Management Coach who focuses on Mindfulness and Nature Immersion as vehicles for powerful healing and evolution. From many years in corporate America to hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, Jessica has a broad range of life experiences that has provided her the insight to guide and transform in her one on one coaching practice. She is an advocate for mental health awareness and diversity in the outdoors, and active in building her local community.

Instagram: @jessicamoonco

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TP: Jessica Moon, old dear friend, along the ride of tantra punk journey since very beginning around 2013, was shocked to find that name hadn’t already been turned into some sort of persona online, hopefully I’ve done my best

she’s way beyond a supportive friend, an inspiration, somebody who’s kept me on a very ethical and conscious path, has given me lots of great feedback

talk about her path, eco psychology, forest bathing, many ways to look at benefits of spending time in nature, deep personal journeys of long distance hiking

extra bonus, you might recognize her silky voice as the voice of the outro on all of my episodes, does a wonderful job of doing the wrap up details, its a treasure to have that mystery voice be on the podcast

JM: working on getting people outdoors, help people see benefits of being immersed in nature, millennials , anyone can benefit, remove barriers to help people really benefit

start when I younger and in college I was a sexual health peer mentor for my university, worked with my peers to educate them on health topics, disseminated health and hygiene products through the outreach center, help become more empowered

after graduated, joined nature center, help plan ecological programs and events, natural conservation for the city, got to work with variety of people

it was a very beautiful experience to be intimately connected with these people, very active motivated hikers, some people who’d never spent time even at a park

really wanted to help people have a more enjoyable, more intimate experience with natural world

then got into corporate world, for about 5 years, it was good to learn a lot of skills, but definitely aching, stress, heaviness of not having that immersion that I used to have

caught up in career, societies idea of success, lost connection with self, deep connection with natural world

year, decided to hike pacific crest trail, had been training, reconnecting with mountains, beaches, when I took the leap, and left for the trail, such a transformation from being immersed in the wilderness, back country for 5 months, feel completely at peace now that I’ve had that experience, affirmed, not everybody can take that much time off their life

but any amount of time is so beneficial, now that I’m back, into the science, philosophy, how to get more nature time into our busy lives, liberating motivating

TP: want to get into the drama of this whole arch of preparing, doing some permaculture the other day, mentioning we were gonna talk about this, the PCT, how do people survive, you can’t bring a semi truck water tank that drives behind you, what are the amenities on the trail, he said people will send selves care packages, I don’t really have a clue

JM: the resupply logistics, first, instead of one really long trip, think of as series of 3 to 5 day, sometimes more than 7 days depending on snow, how quick you hike, generally 3 to 5 days, given that , hiker hunger, metabolism working so hard, never felt hunger like that before, if you think about it as you’re going town to town, long series of small backpacking trips, you can self packages ahead of time, my strategy was I resupplied in town, if you’re lucky, supermarkets, sometimes just gas station, generally you know, or if you didn’t ask around, anticipate that, if you go get into a town with a big grocery store, buy food, ship it forward, only did for really small towns, didn’t want to eat pop tarts and snicker bars, backpacking food, if you don’t go really expensive route, has a lot more nutrients compared to options like instant ramen, after a while, can’t eat this any more, try to mix it up, hit up bulks, blessing to find bulk section, keeping an open mind, would have been hard if I had any dietary restrictions if I was vegan or gluten intolerant, I would have done more sending myself ahead of time, its really not that much cheaper or convenient to send yourself the boxes ahead of time, you’re tastes change

you don’t have a car, last thing you want to do is walk more

TP: from prepper survivalist world, lot of people in fantasy land, vision of how their gonna be so fit, prowess, bad ass, when zombie apocalypse happens, but they’re not conditioning in the mean time, but the experience of doing this endurance drill, makes me think everything has to be so tightly economized, efficiency, variables to consider, you’re probably better prepared for anything to go wrong, then people who make a whole life style out of being a prepper, tripping me out

could you tell me about some of the sort of dietary life hacks that you came up with, as some one doing this frugally, out of necessity, on a budget, how to have healthy food and not junk food

JM: does take a toll, body type can’t just eat anything, when I was on trail, I was like omg I can eat chips and candy, I really felt terrible, I really need to take care of myself, I was like okay I really need to change the trajectory of my nutrition, took a lot of supplements, glucosamine , multivitamin, try to pick up juice shakes, I needed that because when you’re on the trail, you have to consider weight right, weight expense and convenience

for example, you can get tuna packets, just a staple for hikers, thing about them, not terribly expensive, but not cheap either, on cost, in the circle of the through hikers, most people agree it’s about $1000 a month, on a tighter budget its possible to hike less, you’re gonna be spending less time in town, if you’re a social person its a fun part of the experience to explore the town

if you’re on a tight budget its definitely possible to do the hike on less, buy the food in bulk previously

dehydrating food at home and sending forward, people get sick of the same food, but you can spend a lot more on the trail as well, stay in hotel, one bed vs 6 hikers, or alcohol, or deserts, depends on person, average person not super luxurious is about $1000, barrier to entry is not accessible to everybody, it is a big trip, felt very privileged that I had opportunity

TP: bullet points, staple macro nutrients, can feel you on the weight and price, on that path as urban survivalist, trying to figure out what my pallet will enjoy and what my guts will handle, I could have the most Bourgeoisie, organic fresh catered diet to the maximum degree of what I know is the ideal, but if I did that I wouldn’t be able to do anything else, joke about “whole paycheck”

but I do believe in my heart of hearts that there are life hacker ways to have extreme frugality, but have extreme nourishment, bulk, group buys, I’m curious for you, fats, proteins, carbohydrates in that framework, stuff you could tolerate the longest, didn’t make you sick, sweet spot of weight and cost, ramen doesn’t cut it

JM: biggest thing for me, that I bough dehydrated vegetables, basically a soup mix, in bulk, just add it to everything, find the vegetables that you like, if you have a dehydrator, I would say incorporating vegetables into your diet no matter what, can eat dried meat, jerky, bison bars, sausage, tuna or chicken pouches, but if you just have that, you’re lacking that balance,

really enjoyed dried, pre prepared beans, really not that expensive, compared to bison bar, or higher end nut butters, just dried beans, make sure they’ve been dehydrated as cooked beans, they’re like bean flakes, if you’re vegan or something, or if body can’t tolerate fat anymore, its really high fat out there, powered humus also an option

sunflower seeds are really cheap

also drink powders, couldn’t handle the sugar, protein powders keep you full

cheeses work really well, lactose intolerant, but a popular lunch was a flour tortilla, summer sausage, and hard cheese

things like spam, powdered eggs, dehydrated milk, I really enjoyed dried veggies, dried fruits

chilli mangos was a treat, new technologies for much lighter, dehydrated and freeze dried veggies and fruits

really liked raw stuff, everything was so dry, and processed, but things like nutritional yeast, everything but the bagel package, sauce packets, miso soup, chicken noodle soup, powdered taco mix

lots of sodium and preservatives, but they’re light, cheap, last a long time, if in a pinch they have something to offer

I just bit the bullet and got green juices, or super food mixes whenever I could afford it

avoid ramen, so many other things available, entire bagels, last for a few days, instant rice and potatoes, always a staple, nan flat bread, corn tortillas don’t last very well, whole slices of bread, couscous was really popular

you have you’re good old trail mix, mixing it up and making it different, you really start to despise it

TP: shifting into more paleo and keto trend if you will, and so I’ve been experimenting a lot with build seeds, grinding into a more palettable form, powdered tahini, from bulk sesame seeds, grinding down to pumpkin seeds, mixing with coconut oil, like bread and butter, get that experience but it’s low carb, more protein, then having that fat, thinking about weight factor

were people bringing tubs of coconut oil or was it just too much weight, olive oil or other oils, calorie dense but you can’t eat that that much of it

JM: lots of oil, add a scoop of coconut oil to your meal, delicious, add more calories, seen people carrying full glass bottle of hot sauce, to spice things up, seen someone carry a glass jar of coconut oil

when for lighter right

went for single use coconut packets, a light way to incorporate into meals, trying to avoid highly processed carbs, I don’t make me feel that great

nuts, sunflower seeds, chia hemp and flax seeds also in my diet

they’re just delicious

TP: sprouting seeds and recycling water?

JM: read about a woman who sprouted just in a tupperware, poked holes, put a piece of cheese cloth, had fresh greens all week

broccolli, peas, lentils, alfalfa, also there was a time where there was a bunch of rain, miners lettuce foraging in oregon, what if I just threw some of that in to my ramen

TP: what level of foraging is legal/desirable, plant ID nerds, not gonna survive 100% but hope they wouldn’t be too restrictive about that kind of stuff

JM: I really can’t say, if we’re allowed to, it’s a protected trail, but in oregon you have to have a permit to forage for wild mushrooms, also, I definitely eat the huckleberries on the trail that were everywhere, just so many

TP: some things are invasive too, its a benefit

JM: thank you these giant berries we’re going into the trail

if I had a little more confidence in local flora and fauna, know for sure you can’t hunt, if it was permissible I’d totally lead a group, let’s get launch, wild mustard, miners lettuce, local invasive plants, didn’t have personal experience foraging, other than the berries

TP: people not yet in romance with nature yet, remember when I didn’t feel a romance with nature, grew up playing in woods, at the beach, wasn’t a deep yearning to connect with something I’d never known, didn’t feel deprived, took it for granted, video games started to eat my childhood, I don’t want to say disenchanted, I can commiserate with the people who feel like they feel more excitement from video games, socializing, hipster strips, when go out to nature I’m bored, cynical earlier in life, then rekindled romance through gardening, seeking healing, would love to have you in your words, help people feel into the shifts and transformation and deep soul tissue healing that’s happening, if you could romanticize the journey

JM: I think just to start it off, if you’re not in love, or find yourself bored, but you’re stressed out, want to work on health, nurture it better, just like to share, some of the research that is, where we are right now with nature immersion is where yoga was, in terms of more mainstream, widespread, growing body of research combined with intuitive understanding, tipping point, health researchers, government, very progressive, bring nature to people’s every day lives, it can lower stress hormone levels, reduce nervous system arousal, enhance immune system function, decrease anxiety, improve mood, help with aggression, accelerate healing

highly stimulated in this world now, if you want to try, give it a chance, big study, 20k people, people who spent 2 hours a week in green spaces, parks, neighborhood with a ton of trees, just hanging out and removing yourself from urban environment, traffic, noise, any kind of natural environment, either all at once or spaced out, like taking 10 minutes on launch break, fresh air, giving self space

attention restoration theory, allows brain to restore, allows cognition, your brain giving it space and time to relax, when you go back to desk or work, cognition levels are much better

little things like that, if you’re not someone who gets super excited, its such an easy thing, give yourself 10 minutes, 2 hours a week spread out, try it

when we make something important, our health, mental health, emotional states, spiritual states, at very least, relax and think, relax and not think, taking time to do that, make it important, have that connection with natural space it will begin to show itself to you

a friend that is not trying to tell you what to do with your life, or unsolicited advice, they’re just there, allow you to work through whatever you’re going through

natural world all of the patterns that exist in that space are things that as humans we’ve evolved with, all very familiar

one quote I really love, from scientist who was a pioneer for forest bathing Japan, “we are visually fluent in the patterns of the natural world, because we evolved in the scenery of the natural world we can process its patterns easily, it is this fluency that relaxes us”

TP: stress less, talk to the nature painting, talk to the landscape

JM: with my own business, researching so much, why isn’t this more popular, why isn’t this more well known

allow attention to restore our brains, to chill out, thinking tests better, in New York, some crazy busy place, even just looking at pictures of nature, videos, listening, put on headphones listen to nature sounds

all of that is beneficial, so it’s like why not

not the most stimulating, in terms of instant gratification, but if you make your health, mental health, emotional state, a priority, 10 minutes a day for you to level up

TP: PSA for gamers, as of just very recently Santa Cruz has joined Oakland, decriminalize entheogenic plants and fungi, the whole suite of plant derived entheogens, still federally highly regulated, but just like cannabis, this movement is growing very fast, #decriminalizenature, I feel like for me what shift was the romance with nature 10xed when I started to integrate dancing in the garden with psychedelics, because all of that dopamine you’d get from slaying dragons in a video game world, you’ll be that thrilled just watching the flow of nature, and being a part of it, and doing your own shadow work, and having nature spirits help you with that

don’t want impose that narrative on our work

JM: hemp will save the world environmentally

TP: what are some of the more cinematic moments

JM: very very beautiful views are conducive of these type of moments, knowing that when you’re looking out on this beautiful landscape, mountain peaks, feel very small, but very connected, look out and see all these pieces of me, subatomic particles, everything is me, and I am it, really grounding type of experience to have, look out, wow all the issues I’m struggling with or limiting factors, or negative head space, all that just dissipates, because you put things into perspective, look into the night sky, see the stars, and you just, sense of awe, and admiration, and deep respect, when you are just so connected, just in tune

TP: I feel that, live for those vistas, any times where equipment failed, or got soaked, freezing, suffer through a night, moments of triumph

JM: I would say nature is cruel but powerful mistress, so like, in the same way that it will guide me into this revelation about absolute awe adoration, at the same time I’ve been cold, and hungry, and so defeated, but I think those are the moments when we’re struggling, going through change, extreme internal conflict due to weather and terrain, you’re able to grow, I have so much respect for nature, those experiences teach you how to tap into your grit, drive is more important than intrinsic motivation, which is fleeting, tap into own tenacity, hardship

when things are gravy at home, stressed out from work or life, but physically when you are drenched, no placed to put your tent, or snow, post holing thigh deep, on side of mountain gotta get off but sun is setting

even just being out there and pushing yourself is honestly the best way to make a transformation, quickest and most impactful way

meditation is very powerful and important, but holy moly I just did that, very immediate evolution when you experience that kind of physical challenge

just think about it, anytime you get pummeled in the ocean, I respect you so much, I will not through trash in you, I’m just a naked human, a flesh bag

TP: break up, death of loved own, quitting smoking or drinking, seems like any kind of major shift or transition even if its just a week, sounds like you’re a great person to be an evangelist for this, and it’s not a pill that you just take and pay big pharma to have you on a pill for the rest of your life, hopefully get off anti-depressants, I can feel that

we’ll have you back to talk more about your business, thought about doing meet ups, I was just exposed to night hiking, maybe we’ll be looking forward to what you have to offer, more than welcome to promote

JM: for now, instagram up, jessicamoonco on instagram, hoping to launch officially next month if you are stressed out, want some mindfullness guidance and encouragement to get out doors, definitely check me out, jessicamoon.co forthcoming

TP: heart ached when you told me you were in a corporate career, didn’t hear the exhuberance in your voice when you told me about it, glad it served you well for business administration, training for solopreneur, blessings to everyone who thrives in that environment, having known you at the peak of your youthful enthusiasm for exploration and breaking rules and being a rebel, I’m so thrilled to know that everything is coming full circle for you.

I had similar story of it being incongruent with spirit/soul being in a cubicle, but knowing when I was in corporate environment I was mining the experience so I wouldn’t just be a broke ass hippy, I’d know how to take a penny and make two pennies with out

JM: thank you so much for having me, thank you so much for your attention and hope we can get out doors, level up, hope you have a beautiful week

TP: been a treasure and blessing, much love to you and all your beloveds

Ancestral Foods as Culinary Shamanism with Shonagh Home TPP188

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In this episode I’m joined again by one of my most respected psychedelic shamanic heroines, Shonagh Home.  We discuss the culinary shamanism of ancestral foods and how she has helped herself, her family, me, and many others kick the habits of toxic addictive and misguided disease causing diets. She shares about her upbringing and how her health and fitness conscious youth years created a strong foundation for her to speak from experience.

She provides an amazing overview of the groundbreaking work of some of the most influential researches that have helped myth bust the commercialized, factory farmed diet and restore the legacy of nutrient dense diets.

To balance the disturbing and disgusting harsh truths about the poisons we’re ingesting and how they’re destroying our bodies, our families, communities, and the planet, we the explore the positive hopeful and empowering merits of:  eating animal organs beyond just the meat, raw dairy as wholesome comfort food replacements, farmers markets, biodynamic and permaculture farming, holistic dietary strategies for behavior moderation to end the drugging of school kids, medicinal culinary herbs, resources and recipes for new parents, do-it-yourself fermentation, bitters, her one-on-one nutritional therapy retreats, her forthcoming women’s school, and much more!

Please visit her website at: https://www.shonaghhome.com

About Shonagh:
Shonagh Home is a shamanic therapist, teacher, writer and poet. Her specialized private sessions and retreats are probing and revelatory, assisting clients to break chronic, self-defeating patterns, and move into empowered personal sovereignty. Shonagh is an international public speaker on the subject of visionary shamanic-spirit medicine, a voice for stewardship of the honeybees, and a teacher on the subject of Traditional Foods. She is author of the books, ‘Ix Chel Wisdom: 7 Teachings from the Mayan Sacred Feminine,’ ‘Love and Spirit Medicine,’ ‘Poetic Whispers from the Green Realms,’ and ‘Honeybee Wisdom: A Modern Melissa Speaks.’

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 188 than being joined Again by the lovely Shawna home and we are going to kind of pick up from where we left off in the last episode getting deeper into the holistic Arts and Sciences so that the Culinary Arts events estriol foods and really understand the context there were in now with the sad standard American diet and all of the health problems that are just cascading and what fundamentals I really should be learning about exploring for this is really geared towards new parents who are in the midst of all of the duties that they now have trying to read labels and know what’s what as far as what to avoid so this I hope can be a really good primer that’s going to be pretty Timeless because we’re talking about human biology hasn’t changed in hundreds of thousands of years that the gut Flora the you know what are tongue is used to navigating in the environment to find what we needed or so much intelligence that we are being really abused and and and really manipulated and in having our senses turn against us so plenty to to get into in a moment I just want to also thank you so much sauna for having gifted me access to your Visionary mushroom practicum course and I literally just as of about an hour or so ago I have finished the the final module and binged on it and so I’m just filled with all of that great wisdom and care that you put into it and I want to say there’s so much to explore with that and probably will save that for another episode but for now I’m going to definitely put a permanent banner on my website that can funnel folks from my audience to to check that out I think it’s probably one of the most important units of of learning that I have found myself experienced in that I really want anyone else in the world who who loves the mushrooms you know a millionth of as much as I do to catch up and relieve integrate that course into their their romance so with the sacred mushroom so yeah with all that said Sean if you want to just kind of get yourself a bit and bring us up to speed on what you been up to and then we can get into the main topics I am a therapist I’m in a really am a therapist for all intents and purposes and mostly these days conduct one-on-one Retreats and so and what I offer is really unique on most people would say actually hell no I have I have my client come to my home and they stay through the week with me and so they arrive on Sunday afternoon they leave Friday morning and it’s buried deep psycho-spiritual work and IT addresses the very deep layers of patterning and includes time spent out in nature includes different shamanic therapies if you will still retrieval and guided Journey that kind of thing and also the food place a big role because darn near every when it comes with dealing with some issues including anxiety and depression which can be assisted greatly through food in addition to working with someone who has a good handle through the inner deeper layers of the psyche and so that is really feel like I’m in my Dharma that has been wonderful and then I do sessions just one on one therapy sessions with people usually buy a Skype cuz everyone’s all over the place these days any of it but I do know and I should say also been I have there is a book coming out in April called psychedelic Mysteries of the feminine creativity ecstasy and healing and so that is a compilation of writings from different women in a few man but mostly women and so I was approached a couple of years ago by the editors were in London to contribute a chapter so I wrote a chapter on the reclaiming the mod that the Medicine Woman for the modern times because we had Michael Pollan who did a fabulous job with his book oh yeah your mind yeah that came out last May and now we got the ladies coming so yeah awesome I’m so glad to hear that yeah we all have a lot of catching up to do and all your great works and it’s been just absolute honor and pleasure so far to to know I think we’re on maybe the fourth or fifth episode together on this podcast and it’s just always a great ongoing journey in and now I’m having again gone through that course now I really want to say that I feel like the work you’re doing is just absolutely so precious and and really in this in this epic of life on Earth it’s really one of a kind and so I feel like this is a radically transforming a lot and and really helping to very delicately and very thoughtfully kind of thumb unravel some of the more toxic myths and even some of the top even some of the toxic Miss amongst the people who are trying to do their best to be holistic and end Progressive and forward-thinking and and it’s really young some of the subjects that are taboo talking about kind of reclaiming ancestral diet sand and seeing Beyond some of the really I would say they’re they’re like fad fad diets and maybe one less thing I’ll say before before asking you to kind of start out start us off with them you know a an exploration of where we’re at with the modern diet and ships we can be making their it’s just it’s been it’s been coming to me that no Animal product diets even the raw diet for example these when I think about what I think is the fact that there really isn’t an indigenous society that hold that has evolved in a natural environment to have these ideals and to have these limitations on what is food and whatnot food and what is ethical eating was not ethical eating and I know we’re so far most of us from from that we’re both of the food chain in a in a sustainable way and I get it why people want to almost do like a hunger strike almost it’s a protest movement when I get it and I’ve been a part of it but what I feel like is maybe you overlooked is the notion that we like to say decolonize your mind decolonize this and that but but if we if we actually applied decolonize your your kitchen and in your pantry you know then we’re going to be talking about where did these ideas what is the timeline of some of these have some of these fad diets and what what do we need to know sort of to decode and and and so yeah you you you’ve already been the Catalyst to have the deepest most the bridge to some of the ancestral diet material has been literally rebuilding and restructuring me to the DNA level since since that kind of came down to the Grapevine and so want to give you plenty of time now to just help us understand the dead stuff out of your research there and yeah let’s to have you just go on about it I will say first of all that you know I grew up in Toronto Canada and my parents new zero about you know nutritionally dense foods no one to really right because they only know knew what they were taught and that is true today as well fortunately and the dominant Narrative of course is pushed by commercial interests that are profiting greatly on our suffering and so so I have to stay though I just unnaturally preferred just the more I probably nutrient-dense foods and so even like we don’t we were raised on breakfast area which thank God I never gave to my two grown daughters and and so I would choose through the best of the worst I remember choosing Special K / Frosted Flakes I just worked out better in anyway and I loved I loved me I love Stoops enough bacon hated liver shunt like now but anyway my mom is some traditional Irish meat and potatoes kind of cook and and not to creative there and then I remember when we moved to the states and I started I was long distance running and I ran one morning past was in this little town past the shop and had a big carrot dangling out the front of the store and it turned out it was a health food store and I never been in one before and I made a mental note of that says early in the morning and then I went back there later and and just discuss peanut butter with oil on top of all this cool stuff and I was I just felt like right at home and and I remember a 16 saving my babies babies babysitting money for a juicer because it did not I mean we didn’t have veganism Ernie that at that time I just wanted to let you know juice vegetables cuz it’s very good for you and I still do it today in any case I never dieted I was always super athletic I never had a problem with weight but I just never bought the whole back then I graduated high school and 81 okay just give me my gym 50 almost 56 and so I never bought into the whole low-fat no-fat deal because I was like with no butter like hell no no way they can’t do that and I’m so grateful because now we are seeing the detrimental effect this has had on people you know any people back then having egg white omelets and just white meat on the chicken no skin like it was just such an awful way to eat and an inn really harmed people healthwise and and so I just I would say by the way I like to eat and I’ve eaten this way for years now if I just call it as close to the farm as possible and I’ll tell you I a number of years ago I did Fast and the fast lasted first me like hen J’s to be probably 13 years ago and I was just reading different books cuz I’m an autodidact and so I love to research that’s how I spend my time reading and researching and end and learning and that’s when I found out about Vic the vegan diet and I was reading this one but cannot. Will that food looks good maybe I’ll break my fast with that try that for a little bit which I did and I did the raw vegan sing for almost a year and so I can speak to it I mean I went down to dr. Gabriel cousens place and I met and I was eating all the superfoods and I was alright avocado cacao loaded with a sweetheart but now I am a Celtic Woman mostly Scottish and Irish and my people did not they were not be concerned so what happened was after maybe eight or nine months of that my body was screaming for me but at that point I was like oh no I’m and I and this is something we as humans it’s just seems to be human nature you know we can get 40 dogmatic and she identified with our belief systems and so that lasts another couple months and then I actually had signed up for a course in the Seattle area with the MTA the nutritional Therapy Association and it was like a turd 11 month course was very very in-depth with a beautiful thing was was based on the work of dr. Weston a price who was a dentist out of Cleveland in the twenties and he grew up in a farm and he was quite robust healthy guy and he noticed more and more in the 20s if they progressed more patients coming in with cavities like a lot of cavities and he noticed that their jaws were becoming more narrow so they couldn’t accommodate the teeth and he was one of these wise fellows who put two and two together and just I think this might have to do with all this new food we’re eating because of that food was shifting markedly to the foods of Commerce essentially Factory Foods sweetened condensed milk a lot more white flower a lot more white sugar and it was affecting People’s Health and so he had I think it was a nephew who weather Philly ated with National Geographic I think of the time in and he was saying listen you should study some of these healthy cultures around the world that are still intact because Anthropologist have been digging up skulls with these beautifully form Jaws perfect teeth like these people were extraordinary healthy and and were made to think by the way that the Ancients were they didn’t live past 25 and they were so unhealthy and and nothing could be further from the truth and it obviously would depend on where you were located and what was going on at the time and I will say that the Roman scholar Plutarch when he came upon the British Isles he wrote those British Islanders don’t show their age till they’re a hundred and twenty now he wasn’t making a joke he was commenting on the extraordinary help with these people and so in many parts of the world crafting a hundred was no big deal you know people were very vigorous so in any case I started this nutritional Therapy Association and and by then I was just beside myself like I really needed to break the veganism and and and I had also gone to assert conventional doctor I don’t call them traditional doctors cuz they’re not you know conventional medicine is not traditional medicine it’s not the winter conventional doctor and I got all the tests in my I think my my lipids were like way way way down my cholesterol was way down and when it whatever and I was so proud of it at the time and then the teachers were like you know you could have a stroke with numbers like that and and you need nutrition in you cuz I went out just an animated how’s your sex life not to get overly personal benefits fine and they were like really fine they’re like do you know what you need cholesterol for it if you need it for a fully functioning hormonal function including your your sex hormones like everything and and so it was there that I learned the importance of these traditional foods which had been abandoned over the course of the 20th century in favor of all of these newfangled foods which were being pushed through all of these commercials and and an advertising to our grandmas and great-grandma’s and you know so that no self-respecting woman would would bake a cake from scratch anymore you know she should get Betty Crocker cake mix and all this garbage that they were they were imposing on people and so so I started with bone broth and then I slowly started no back into having actual meat and then I’ll tell you I went through it. Where I was just craving steak remember talking my teacher and he said look have it every night because it’s not like you’re craving brownies you know you’re craving steak there’s something in that that your body is crying for other so you don’t listen to start listening to your body and this is something that few people do today is actually listen to the signs from from their body and so what dr. Weston Price did was he took 10 years in the 1930s and he went all around the world to 14 different healthy cultures and he wanted to see what they were eating and end by the way his face is starting out was he wanted to find he thought maybe vegetarianism was the way to go and and so he want with very curious to see what these people were eating and it turned out that all 14 of these cultures they all consumed some form of animal protein even if it was in Sex and they also consume a lot of animal fat in fact ten times more fat soluble vitamins have of saturated animal fat than Americans in the 1930s and so that ratio would be far higher today and so he has a dentist he was looking at their teeth because the teeth will reveal what’s going on with the rest of the bone structure within the body and for the first culture you study study was the switch in the Swiss in the lotion tell Valley of Switzerland and they lived within this mountain range and they could get in and out but that’s where they lived and by the way tuberculosis was ravaging Europe at the time including Switzerland and people would leave that that community and go into Zurich and whatnot they return back having been exposed in single person contracted TB and he had to really search before he found anything even close to what could be a cavity the children with this was an early spring they were playing Barefoot with short sleeves in icy cold streams like they were vigorously healthy and their diet consisted of raw raw cream Robert and beautiful leavened sourdough bread which meant it’s bread that had been fermented overtime so it’s very digestible of course they would have some lamb beef and then vegetables you know in the summer when they could get them in fairies and what not and they were just incredible Health in fact they had a sleep from that Valley who would compete in these big big olympic-style competitions and those guys would always win nowadays they have athlete’s carbo load but back then those athletes would load up on Raw cream and so they were just an impeccable health and not only that they were happy and then he went to the gaels on the Isle of Lewis and and that was they were seafaring and there you know their life was rough I mean and they could cook the only thing they could grow with oats and anyway those people were in vigorous health and they consumed a lot of fish and cod liver oil and oatcakes and what not and then he went to the Philippines and he went to all these other cultures these beautiful people and they took photographs and he sent samples of their food back home to the laboratory to be tested so he wrote home extraordinary book called nutrition and physical degeneration and you can see for yourself and beautiful jaw structure of these people the beautiful teeth and a happiness on their face this is something that really he was not expecting was how incredibly happy these people were and he would ask them if they had any problems with their their adolescents in and they just looked at him like he had to have it out like no they didn’t have those issues now something he noticed noticed was this was a time when Bridges and roads were being built and so people would leave their trishul communities and I would enter quote-unquote civilized civilized World eating the foods of modern civilization and then they would have children and it would be evident in the Next Generation and those children would have the job would be narrow so couldn’t accommodate the teeth and so and though what he did see also is when when certain people would then return to their communities if they had some kind of illness they were able to turn it around through adopting once again their traditional food so that’s actually very good news for us because the body is Earth is a body you know we we have a body that it’s the whole thing as a metaphor for for the Earth and our gut microbiome is like the soil of our Earth and it it needs to be teeming with really healthy bacteria so so yeah so so I really I I I so admire doctor price and and Back N D I thought maybe it was the eighties a woman named Sally Fallon discovered his work and eventually she put together the Weston A price foundation and I have Met Sally Fallon a number of times I’ve had dinner with her she is a true Elder she is a wise woman and she she put together a book called nourishing traditions and this book has its it’s a compilation of all of these traditional recipes it’s an amazing book and do you know what she could not get a publisher no publisher would touch it with you do my own little publishing firm and I’ll do it that way and she did and I got her book has sold well over a million maybe it’s a million-and-a-half coffees at this point and now of course you know they’re willing her and they want to publish your book and she was like nothing and Associates really put yourself out there to put the word out because also what traditional communities the world over paid great attention to in addition to these wonderful foods that were passed down was it was very important when a couple came together before they got pregnant that they had certain foods and then certainly when the woman was pregnant there were certain foods that she was to eat in fact I think it was in the Philippines there was a tribe and Wendy women when a woman became pregnant there were two men assigned to her and their whole job was to get and their boat and go to a certain area where they would fish for certain kind of fish and dr. I sent that back and it was it’s it’s very high in fat very very high in in in fact and end so that you know made for a very healthy developing fetus and ultimately very healthy baby and then and then of course you know they breastfed and there were important foods that were fed to the baby including cod liver oil which a lot of this stuff just you know it when we had World War II came about a lot of our newfangled Foods were developed by the military during World War II and then put out to the public afterwards and at the you know they’re just as we know Peter garbage and and then people stop giving their children cod liver oil my mom I called liver she said all cod liver oil all the way up till she went to college and and so it was easy quite common So I myself I’ll tell you like cuz I see that it’s a commercial world and essentially it’s an it’s a it’s an overlay on top of the Living World of Nature and traditions that have served Earth people for Millennia until all of a sudden they’re told note you want to have this this is better for you and you don’t want to have that and so I look too I look too tradition I look to the Ancients I and I call these Foods grandmother wisdom foods and end and one thing that price discovered was bio individuality in other words what works for my people is not going to necessarily work for someone in the Philippines you know that they consume a lot of fish and tropical fruits in the vegetable in a look at the different diet and other words and and so this is something to pay attention to so whatever your cultural heritage is I recommend taking a good hard look at go back a few generations and then see what were your people traditionally eating and chances are those foods will serve you very well will something else that people consumed every day all around the world in all various forms were ferments so Refrigeration is very new and it’s a great convenience but it’s it’s hampered our health because back then in order to preserve food you had to fermented and so of course you know you had the the krauts all manner of different fermented vegetables will be back in the day you had need which was fermented you a tale which was fermented people drank a lot of fermented Beverages and and they would spy cam with different medicinal herbs and and then okay the fermented vegetables cultured Dairy you know these people who say oh you know dairy cows are know whatever milk is for baby cows people their cultures including my own you know who kept cows they kept sheep and goats or camels were milk you know milk is very very ancient and something that I drink now and I turn all my retreat clients on cuz I think it is probably the one of the most healing foods known is raw milk kefir and that hails from the Caucasus region of Russia and the kefir grains are probiotic there a mix of probiotics and beneficial yeast no one knows how they came to be the people of the caucus regions call them a gift from Allah and they would put those in cows milk or goat’s milk and they would be in a leather bag and and and and they would you know give it a shake and and and drink that in the grain speed off the sugars in the milk and then they key for the milk so it’s like a kind of liquidity yogurt it is fantastic for you in fact yogurt itself will have five or six different bacterial strains in it great stuff homemade kefir will have 50 to 60 different bacterial strain so we’re talkin you know trillions are billions of of of of bacteria and are beneficial that is amazing for your God and the Caucasian people were drinking kefir for over twelve hundred years and they are still drinking it today so again you know I’m so stoked hearing you say this in in something else it’s just it’s hitting me right now is that all of this very almost alchemical food science and artisanship was going on far before the invention of the microscope and before the micro-biology revolution in science and so in all of your studies if you don’t mind me kind of going on a sidebar here I just would love to know what you feel like it’s a good night you know and I have any Amazon the people that iOS Cairo shamans cure and arrows will say that the plants told them which plants to put together to make this concoction and there was a who is it was a transmission of Knowledge from the forest itself to help the people and I’m wondering if you could what do you think the epistemology is of this elaborate micro black biological science way before science even invented the microscope to even know right I mean there was still so this is kind of a figure this out where did this come from was it observation of animals or was it just naturally it tasted better cuz certain things were a little busier if you left them out a while if he well it was a course they observed animals and that would tell them you know what what fruits were and in vegetables went out where poisonous what were edible and also they would watch sick animals and what did the sick animals gravitate to herbs and that kind of thing so they learned a lot from observation and and then yeah and then he just things were passed down and down and down and God knows where they originated from but but but we have to remember is he never made you think that the Ancients were so backwards you know and and in fact the ancient Celts her are portrayed as you know practically caveman and yet the Neolithic people creative these extraordinary Stone circles that that were places at like they were Master astronomers you know they and they knew how to store wet when and where the eclipse Sun would be in in relative to assert how they position with stones and in these people were they were they were brilliant they were brilliant they were fully dialed in they were fully connected to the cycles of nature you know where we are I really don’t think we have this will be a very whatever it will be but I just I don’t think we’ve necessarily come that far because we’ve sacrificed so much wisdom and look at the state the deplorable State on our planet now with the pollution and the just egregious suffering of humanity and the animal kingdom everything on so so so many levels and so you know we really things went horribly wrong I think with when the whole Scientific Revolution came about so that when that happened so many ancient wisdoms were just simply dismissed in favor of this whole new way this whole is rational mindset and and and I’m all about logic and reason don’t get me wrong cuz I don’t see enough of that playing out today but this word hyper rationalism and Andrea Lee you know this is just what do you call it it’s like they’ve just dismissed God altogether God got us whatever that is sourced Creator right and and and we have done this at our Peril and ultimately I see nature and we are nature as the brass the expression of the master architect which has a hold of god goddess for Hurst annaho and head that lives in every living thing and and nature has provided us with everything we need to grow the way we’re supposed to develop the way we’re supposed to develop you know our bone structure everything our hair our health and and you know how to be happy and any other thing to you know I’ll say real quick when Christ was noticing the narrowing of the Jaws you’ll see that a lot nowadays and no one thinks twice about oh yeah I had to get braces or my kids had to get braces and what they don’t realize is that nutritional deficiency so that the jaw itself was not able to develop properly to accommodate all those teeth which is what’s to do and the same with you no hips we see you know she’s narrowing of the hips and in women having a lot of trouble and childbirth will also I mean look at the fertility rates have gone way down and there’s a lot of factors there and you and I can talk for 5 hours on all of that but we’re going to just focus on the food right now and end and also the state of depression and anxiety it’s just a roof and so my retreat client I just recently worked with I I mean a number of people come to me and they’re dealing with anxiety and depression and and these are people who are now I would call them Progressive in that they either have just recently got off those those damn antidepressant antianxiety square or their weaning themselves off you know and I explained to them look we have to heal your gut because there’s a neural Highway between the gut brain and when it got is corrupted in all of our guts or corruption and the guy becomes corrupted the microbiome becomes corrupted through all the sugar and the antibiotics right and then of course the stress and all of that and then just a bad food and and most people are not eating any kind of fermented food you know and so there’s nothing feeding the gut microbiome so healthy gut bacteria is roughly like 80% beneficial bacteria to 20% we’ll just call it bad bacteria it right for all intents and purposes and so as soon as it gets out of balance be bad bacteria is opportunistic and so it just floods the area and it starts to wreak havoc and then interesting ly it takes the good back or the beneficial bacteria longer to kind of come back then the bad bacteria and I just think of that Axiom of alchemy as within so without I look at our world so somehow you know things got out of balance somehow and and these opportunist who are I mean I just see our entire world leader all of them as a crime syndicate you know they’ve taken over entirely you know and and and so and so and so the more people become healthy it’s going to benefit the the Consciousness is going to benefit our mind are the ability to you no feel stable and to reason and smoke with you no Solutions rather than being in this constant state of stress and fear and anxiety you know which so many people are but in any case so this person who came last week was dealing with grief from the loss of a parent the death of the parent and also you know crippling anxiety and depression and gone off those meds finally power to this person and and so I turned them on to all of this food and I turn them on to the gaps protocol Gap stands for gut and psychology syndrome and that was developed by a Russian neurosurgeon named dr. Natasha Campbell McBride and I think of her as just a Russian Shaman s she is one of my heroes and Annie Oakley runs the women’s Visionary Congress once said if you want to change the world throw a better party and I love okay dr. Natasha Campbell McBride is a perfect example that she’s throwing a better party so what happen to her if she move to the UK and one of her young son’s got vaccinated and develop autism and so she knew. Vaccine with the Catalyst but she asked the question why though do you know more and more these days babies develop autism after these vaccines the others jumped what’s really going on and she said she exhausted her profession should named we have nothing to offer these children and of course she’s right and then she started exploring the gut cuz she’s a neurosurgeon the gut-brain connection and she thought you know the food is changed so much and in Russia we Libras and you know bostick’s kind of thing and she she started researching out and she started changing her young Sons diet so she took out the white flower and get whatever he was eating and she put him on bra because the college in the gelatin in the bra will will heal the gut lining the gut lining is very similar to the skin and so healing that and then introducing these ferments very slowly and she healed his gut it’s much easier when they’re younger the younger you know he gets them the better and by God kiss cured of autism and so then she started sharing this with her patients and so you can imagine all these people flocking to her and then what she did also find it that many families would adopt the protocol to support the child and then started realizing that the symptoms from different autoimmune disorders were disappearing altogether because they were healing their guts and and so then she wrote a book called out and psychology syndrome and then there is a wonderful book that I have my clients to who I feel really could use this by off and give it to them called the heal your gut Cookbook by Hilary Boynton and I love that book dr. McBride wrote the forward for that and then it’s got beautiful glossy color photos and it goes step by step by step here’s what you can eat here here’s some you know he was some recipes you know to do this it just makes it so easy to do and and so I have worked with a number of people who I put on this protocol and they have thrived I mean they’ve turned around things amazing I work for the woman I still work with her I’ve been working there for 2 years now she had rheumatoid arthritis for 27 years she contracted it when she was 18 or developed dementia and so she tried absolutely everything I unfortunately did the conventional medical Roots a lot of drugs and I said look let’s just chill your. You know that’s all I care about and after 6 weeks she started with the introductory diet which is the most restrictive and it’s restricted because you’re essentially taking your gut and it’s like a damaged little baby and you’re just saying alright we’re going to go really easy on you this would be really easy to digest because what you’re doing is you’re giving your gut the opportunity to heal and nature can bounce back she can bounce back from really anything but she needs the opportunity to heal right to get to stop washing her with all the poisons and after 6 weeks she contacted me and she said okay you just need to know that my pain and swelling of gone from a 12 out of 10 to a two and and she’s one of these people who will follow to the letter and a few months after that she was playing tennis and she won a tennis tournament and and so and then her skin was beautiful she’s like it’s ridiculous on some pericing like everyone’s like what do you put on your skin and she is like it’s not what I put on my yes she is she swears by this and and I mean I have more stories like that and I won’t go into all of them but I have seen this first hand and so you know that’s why I’m like I’m not interested in what the you know whatever the media has to say I’m sure as hell not interested in what the Hino conventional medicine has to say because those guys have zero understanding of nutrition and then the conventionally train nutritionist have been trained in schools that were funded by these major multinational corporations that want them you know selling all the stuff and if you go on these websites like the American Heart Association and American diabetic Association and you see the food they’re recommending it takes my breath away it’s so disgusting it’s just deplorable so so that’s why I look to the traditional to be anxious cuz they they weren’t trying to sell you anything that’s just how they ate I’ve been under on the Divine masculine side of my personal development I’ve been getting very deep into the survivalist movement and there is powerful thought leaders in that movement that are a really promoting and in a positive and empowered way the ketogenic and paleo certain parameters and Primal parameters on diet and a lot of interesting insights her or coming up from that and if I could I’ll just share a few things that you can bend riff off of the kind of I’ll bring it in a little bit personal for me for a moment and say that I’m probably maybe I can see exactly what the hell with it the start date was but I I had to I do landscaping and I’m in the LA climate and I guess it was I guess it was last summer so I guess about six months now where I finally had my hitting bottom with with to my wish is a diet with too much sugar when I wasn’t I was thinking I was doing mostly organic and mostly is doing trail mix and dry food sand and felt that my sugar sources were cleaner and then than most and certainly avoiding processed foods however it was a lot of dehydrated raisins and banana chips and things where he was super concentrating the sugars and really just continually antagonizing my gut and continually in flaming me and and also causing just like almost it’s just super charging super powering that that psychological element that anxiety and the PTSD I felt like it was it was just so bloated with the energy that was coming from too many sugars coming into my system and it really manifested on the surface of like fungus growing on my hands and my feet cuz I was working in the Sun and working in boots and gloves and it was just like it was all over my hands and my feet I had to continue working cuz I didn’t I couldn’t just quit my job I did take a couple weeks off but that wasn’t enough so I had to just work without gloves and bitterly work without shoes so how is the monkey Garden there for a few weeks there until like they started to dry up and and miraculously I was I was at that time dating a woman who had some extra money and she was about to go on this total sugar Purge diet and and I was of course trying to impress her you know us as I can I’ll join you let’s do this then hi and lo and behold the greatest gift is meeting her was that I stuck with it and and I stopped eating the dried fruits and I started to move just Stevia and no forms of Sugar Bay sweeteners and then now it’s a you know about six months later and and and the most most done chilling and invigorating effect has been really seeing this deflation of neurotic tendencies that the thought forms that would be causing anxiety or I mean I don’t consider myself to be depressed but certainly it’s like the thought forms have to feed on you like parasites and they’re not just feeding on some amorphous energetic kind of Wu thing they’re actually I’m realizing they’re feeding on the sugar that you’re that you’re pumping into your mouth and so if I I came up with this tweet I put it on Twitter do you know not too long ago I said what’s worse demonizing sugar or sugar raising demons and still I love to hear what you think about that notion there well the thing is you know we we’ve had sugar before white cane sugar and that was in the form of Honey another words Nature has provided that for us not that you overdo the honey but raw honey is teeming with enzymes and it’s a medicinal as well and and so that’s the sweetener that I I like and I also I also like real maple syrup and and I’ll have that once a week when I retrieve clients cuz I always make one of the breakfast is sourdough pancakes with with real maple syrup they also put a Big Blob of gorgeous yogurt on top of that whole milk yogurt so the what is the beneficial bacteria before the sugar goes and feeds all the negative ones is that in my understanding that when I would make my young girls breakfast for they go to school by the way I wish I’d homeschooled I didn’t know that back then but anyway I would never gave him breakfast cereal and pasteurized milk and all that crap I would always make them eggs and toast with lots of butter or I do in a french toast which is dipped in the egg and then and then I would put whipped cream on that but like homemade whipped cream it was no sweetener or just below the Nilla anyway so they always had this wonderful breakfast that had a good amount protein and fat and carbohydrate right so so that they could the fat would calm them and they could think through the day and and what’s happening with these children is there eating these breakfast made of of sugar like just like when you were sharing all those dried fruit that you reading in the trail mix and the Granola it’s all sugar and so that it turns to sugar in the body and these children are not getting nutrient-dense Foods in the morning and then and then they get to school there climbing the walls and of course they can also what could be more unnatural than you know signing a child to us you know Ed Sheeran add a task in a square room indoors for 7 hours to know and then they and then they complain when especially the young boys just want to jump around and have a good time and you know like they belong outside in the fields freebasing sucrose and being forced to in a straitjacket of these people in the schools and they’re pressuring the parents to drug their children which is so beyond immoral and first of all and an even these days psychiatrist and psychotherapist you are also handing these drugs out like their candy and by the way no one’s done any brain scans now that it’s just based on an opinion and since when do teachers since when do they have that kind of knowledge to be able to determine you know that you are 7 year old needs a brain damage and ultimately drug you know like it’s just it’s it’s astonishing when really ultimately these kids are nutritionally they’re just starve nutritionally and and it makes a big difference when you feed them these these these Foods is nutritionally dense foods and raw milk especially and you see me you spoke of eczema that’s so common with these children because also pasteurized milk has been number 1 allergen that’s because pasteurized milk is not milk it Amin chemically it’s not and in so it’s a very difficult to digest it is not the same as as your raw milk from obviously obviously healthy cows raised on pasture and by the way cows raised on pasture enough for a farmer who’s producing raw milk or health either outside a good at healthy cow live 26 27 years a commercial dairy cow will live maybe 5 and and I will say also as someone who is attritional food person I am very careful where I Source my meet my favorite favorite place in the whole world is the farmers market I love going to the farmers market I know my Farmers by name I know where meat comes from I’ve been to two of the Farms where it’s produced I’ve seen those animals out on pasture where they belong you know how they’re slaughtered in this is all done on the up-and-up commercial farming is not farming it is it is a factory and it is deplorable and you know it’s interesting because Karl Marx was the first one to reduce animals from this place of you know just really the sacred how they were taken care of down to he called them units of measure and I will say for those out there who think whatever collectivism communism whatever is such a great saying it is a machine culture you are a cog in the wheel there is no room for the individual so it’s that’s very much in a box and and I just thought that I did not know that and and I thought that was very poignant units of measure that that’s disgusting so if machine culture ultimately were enough machine or a factory culture and this is why people are not thriving and cuz this is not how we’re supposed to let we’re not meant to be corporate wage slaves and commute up to 2 hours you know sometimes each wet I mean like it’s amazing you know no time spent in nature anymore or with each other really yeah you know I actually did like but what that brings to mind for me is going back years to Anthropologie my anthropology track in college it was there was a an essay believe I’m maybe I maybe forgetting the name but I think it was one of the one of the the highly respected sort of catalyst for her primitivism I think was Marvin Harrison or one of the other kind of groundbreaking Folks at the time they were saying help with a concept that called Energy Gates and looking at the thesaurus stages of patriarchal Empires and how and Jared Diamond do the same kind of similar analysis about how granaries is what facilitated conquest and the coaches that did not have that had you know tropical spoiling fruits and vegetables that could not be stored for indefinitely if it was toward right you know the show is so good that the culturing of these domestic cats and their ability to feed armies and marching armies off of his dried wheat berries and he’s dried grains that was really what what time do or what we’re living in and obviously the legacy of the conquest of those who figured out how to make these these calorie pellets that were that wouldn’t spoil and and they would be able to ferment them and make beer and so the contaminated water they could drink beer and have less deaths from water contamination cuz it was more. If you will at that point those to fix this warrant about the machine this goes back thousands of years to the the war machines and we’re still living in that Legacy in the Cheerios go in and the soy milk go in one in and the diaper rashes out the other end what do you say to that 95% maybe it’s 98% of the soil all the so I produced is GMO but still he also was never ever meant to be Eaton ingested in the way it is I mean it’s an absolutely everything be quiet cuz it’s a very cheap filler and see if they can seduce as soon as thinking it’s this health healthy alternative to milk or whatever then people will buy it cuz they’ll just believe it but in Asian countries so it was fermented so she could leave made into Tempe and soy sauce tamari. Could that kind of thing but but tofu itself was you know you’d have it in small amounts but it’s an absolute everything as is corn and so and end their there they’re cheap fillers and they are marketed as being healthy and so yeah I mean it and also so I contain is it it’s a goitrogen so it affects the thyroid negatively also I believe phytoestrogens as well so too much soy and John is not necessary no it’s not good for our boys so it’s not it’s not healthy it’s not something I would give to my children and and then you have to watch the almond milk because the Almond industry in this happened a number of years ago now they are spraying all of these almonds in California with a few against that has been banned in in Canada and Europe but for some reason it seems to be perfectly acceptable for all of us here and so all that almonds milk that you are these people are drinking is not necessarily so healthy either because I mean this is just a lot of stuff is dangerous that they spray the stuff with you know how food is more clients Works in health food store and she said oh my God Shana shouldn’t I look around everything’s in a box you know and shipped all over from hell and gone by the way and you know a lot of it is just it’s just marketing it just marketing and so I I just for anyone who this resonates with I I say eat as close to the farm as possible and if you can’t grow your food and go to the farmers market if you can get to a farmers market you don’t remember I spoke at a conference in Milwaukee and too windy was there he is an amazing Elder and he talks a lot about mushrooms he does very high dose mushrooms but he was talking about he lives in Detroit and that there is an extraordinary group of people there where he said you know what we do with empty lots in Rich Roy and Detroit kill them so there’s this whole Urban farming Community it’s cropping up and I know it’s in you know Detroit and other areas as well for people aren’t like inner cities are growing food this is the thing you know I think we can have heaven on Earth I really think we are in the garden with a beast or parasite in the guard him right now but we are in the garden and there is opportunity everywhere truly for like turning lemons into lemonade essentially and and you know even just growing herbs in pots like just whatever you can do and and also if you have a garden and but it’s small and he can actually grow food and put native flowers in there because the pollinators need that like you’re so so much we can do to support the Earth and and and you know support ourselves with with good food the farmers markets are fantastic just fantastic mean I I love I love knowing my Farmers be great to get into just some very simple practical steps I know one thing that resonates with me is that the notion that you should if you are if you are going to go to the supermarket shop on the outer ring of the store and you should be allowed to everything on the Isles but you know there’s the the produce the dairy the fish the meat and and that’s all the disorder refrigerated in and refresh sort of stock of the outer ring of all the supermarkets by Design and then anything on those not I guess not everything because there are oils and there are there are fermented pickles and whatnot of course crowds that are that are in the center aisles but but do you want to talk about some yes and more practical steps if you can take and maybe one of the things that for four people who have newborn babies who are not going to be able to just go to this extreme keto paleo thing this excerpt a macho is a lot of machismo in that world too and I haven’t heard these Macho men talk about feeding babies a keto paleo diet or I don’t know how you would translate into that or how you would recommend you Sally Fallon let me find it here she wrote a book on foods for baby and child like nourishing foods okay I’m just going on Amazon I’m just going to find it the title of this book is book of baby and child care for babies that need formula I mean God with the stuff in the supermarket is is just it’s it’s immoral but there is a recipe for doing a proper you know baby formula if you can’t breastfeed or in addition to Farina when you’re done breastfeeding I mean she’s just got out of everything but it’s all based on traditional principles and and I’d love that she did that because especially new mothers their moms don’t necessarily know any of this and it’s not their fault they just weren’t taught you know and and so they don’t really know where to to look and so this is a really really wonderful resource for for that and then if you can find your way to raw milk for your children this is so so important because it will ensure that your child develops a healthy gut and that means they will be are they will they will not be sick as often as everyone else’s kids and you know there could be stronger they will develop really beautiful teeth and a good jawline you know you you could you could eradicate the need to Anjali to for your child to have braces and it also affects their behavior and their ability to sleep at night I mean there’s so many factors you are what you eat and Epocrates said let food be thy medicine and eye medicine you guys food and you mentioned oils for the supermarket and I will just say be very very careful what you cook your food and so canola oil is a no-go it’s garbage it’s rapeseed even if they called her dad I just watch out for organic because you know the USDA is kind taking that over and I mean Monsanto wants to grow stuff and call it organic for god sakes so just you know and I found like at the farmers market there are some wonderful farmers who they say they don’t have the Organic certification it’s very expensive but they don’t pray at all and yeah yeah well and I love those biodynamic and that’s following the tentative Rudolf Steiner biodynamics. Applying homeopathic remedies since way to the soil to call back the life force in the land and it’s similar to permaculture I mean they really go hand-in-hand nicely he know where the farm is thought of as a single organism and everything’s made on the farm and and I are very much loved the biodynamic way but the good fats to cook with I get lard from the farmers market and then I take it home and I render it myself which means you heat it up in a pan until it melts in and I poured into a glass jar and it turns a beautiful white color and that is again I am Scottish Irish and my people 8 May 8th Pig pay 8 lab band and all of that and so the fat was priced there’s an old expression living off the fat of the land that was good and and so I cook with that because it’s very stable at high temperatures whereas these vegetable oils cannot handle the super high temperatures and so then they’ll basically turn to plastic in your arteries so you’re the good fats are important chicken broth I’ll do like a big 20 quart stock pot of chicken broth and then I put the quart-size mason jars in the freezer and then I’ll make a soup and it’s super simple one of my favorites is Carrot leaking so I just chop everything the carrots and leeks and saute them in coconut oil and then I put them in a pot I put a can of coconut milk in there and then two quarts of my chicken broth and cook it up it’s so delicious it’s rustic I mean I think of this is it’s like rustic peasant food and it’s so simple but the ingredients are beautiful cuz they’re locally-sourced even better again if you got a garden III I can’t grow them in the garden yet you know there’s another something else. Love to hear your thoughts on is it a point was brought up somewhere recently in my digestive podcast and what not and it was just that it’s often overlooked that weird sort of gear now even even meat eaters Among Us are geared to the muscle meat of an animal whereas a traditional diet and not just the sort of stereotypical Native American using every part of the Buffalo or whatever it’s really that the organ meats and all of the other parts of an animal body that would have contained different densities of nutrients have different fat content that were that’s probably the the the bone broth argument is that it’s it’s you’re getting more of those not just the choice cuts of meat however we had that’s not really holistic either right just eating only the muscle Meats ulcer doctor price discovered it is these cultures realized the organ Meats particularly the liver and I used to be anemic and so after I joined the ntai I would get Frozen liver and this is from Skagit River Ranch which is in the state of Washington and they’re amazing and so you know these are healthy cow go get Frozen liver and believe it or not I took me months to sort of get brace myself to do this now I do it no problem I would great the Frozen liver and a great like a tablespoon or two and I put it in a glass and I would put some just tomato veggie juice and they’re just whatever from the store right and then I would just down at I just swallow it and and so because also a lot of these most of these supplements people take your lucky if you get 30 maybe 40% of whatever supposed to be in that supplement and I don’t take supplements except for magnesium and I take a liquid magnesium called remag by dr. Carolyn Dean and that’s because our soils used to be teaming with magnesium and it is in charge of over 800 enzymatic processes within the body I mean Weed Day but we need magnesium and most people are very low on it so I do take liquid magnesium but then the rest of it comes from my my food and so I drank that liver drink like three times a week I did at 4. Months and my anemia is gone all gone so in other words you know that you could take a liver supplement whatever or whoever itself and and it goes and it does it’s it’s magic and it’s raw liver so yeah I mean that were made special ties with the with the organism and disses disses ancient old and then also the fat on the meat is prized and of course it makes food taste better let me ask you this the one of the things from my permaculture studies that is to me the most effective sort of psychic Aikido I don’t have a weapon but but tool for working with the the Burberry the barbarism of some of these ideologies that have been of sprung up and in and really it’s it’s a it’s like when I think about that the fact that you can go out onto a landscape and good luck trying to synthesize proteins and fats by chewing on shrubs and tree branches and grass but if you employee the ruminants and the goats and you know you got this leverage point that is these animals that are designed to just Chomp down Woody material and grassy material and put it through multiple stomachs even and then and then produce the U of these products and it seems to me that the ecological ethics of you know I mean for me I boil it down to create more life and you destroy and your golden so be like about an emic Gardener or permaculture Gardner and integrate all of the levels of the ecosystem and create beautiful habitat where they they don’t even really know that they’re being farmed in oh that’s possible with some of these techniques and and just to to frame it and in terms of the efficiency gains in in working in partnership with with these other animal allies and if we can give them beautiful good lives and not put them in cages and dope him up and drag them up then maybe we can sort of have a little bit of fun Breathing Room you know you’re glad to be speaking what are you what do you think about that my heroes are the farmers like the real farmers and you made me think of Joel salatin who was made pretty famous by Michael Pollan book The Omnivore’s Dilemma angels to Latin calls himself grass farmer said it’s all about the grass and so he raises cattle and chickens and so he said I just follow nature and so the ruminants go out there and they eat the grasses and then then he moves them to a different field he waits a couple of days so that all the little eggs that are in the manure start to hatch then he lets his chickens he brings his chicken it’s into that field and they go crazy and I scratched the cow pies and get that all mixed into the the grass may eat a little buggies and so they produced these extraordinary eggs and and you know so he is he’s really he’s in this beautiful Harmony with the land and he also he produces so much on his farm and he will not ship it long distance he refuses to do to do that which I also really like so yeah he was a great that grow so much beautiful stuff from him I saw Ted Talk and he’s he’s growing him to like doing these he’s he’s he’s trying to stay in body and in as I can use the theatrical performance of different different creatures in the soil biology and it’s it’s just I love I love him to death he’s so great and I remember him saying one time or somewhere I heard about it’s like he actually has to proactively raise the fence posts the fence posts around the property because he’s building soil that’s just growing in height and as long as he’s actually doing like millions of years worth of soil production with this rotational grazing. Yeah Berean of the carbon whatever in the factory farms absolutely there an aberration but these traditional farmers who are the following the older ways they’re doing a good job you know I mean they’re stewarding the land as it should be certain they are this is proper animal husbandry because like it or not I mean we have been consuming animals for very very very long time you know I mean it’s kept us very strong and but but you know if it did the whole Commercial Way of raising these animals to me is is it to me I think it will be a stain on on our culture for a long time to come and and you can tell a lot about what you know of culture by how they treat their animals and it’s not just American culture either you know this is yeah we’re getting at work we’ve covered a lot of thank you so much this really it it has satisfied my desire to get some some really important groundwork laid for the listeners of this podcast in to sort if I’ve been hesitant to sort of Explorer and break down some of these these myths and taboos around. I don’t want to alienate anybody who is very committed to any specific no Animal product diet but I think we all need to just continue the dialogue and something that I would like to I guess a final thought I’d like to to give you some more whatever time you have left to get to talk about it said as I guess I have been rehabilitating myself from nutting as I always say you a sugar and carb obviously like a sort of subconscious addiction and just to serve the ubiquity of it is it’s it’s really starts at 2 to audit the the sugar intake that is not from Whole Living fresh fruits you know mostly the and you look at you start to audit that it’s really it’s for me it’s been it’s been absolutely mortifying and I really feel like we’re in a zombie apocalypse we’re like maybe 90% of the the personality disorder is in a relationship conflict conflict and that just the antagonist in education is cause and I’m seeing it I’m seeing myself Google and dumb just like I’m in this Buddha nature zone now that I’m post extraneous sugar and I’m going to be able to see how people who were just just being pie in and out of of Starbucks drive-thrus they’re going to they’re going into the road rage and they’re going into the office they’re going into like every interaction is so cranked up on this crystal meth sugar caffeine is in the danishes in the muffins and it’s just like you burn it down in a in a Bunsen burner and you just got this free base of Crystal and sugar this whole thing and just like the I am just the other day I was I guess I will be I was being socially open to sugary Foods you know to be to be nice but you know in public and that and it was like okay here’s pizza and ice cream and literally within an hour I felt like I had just drink battery acid I could feel the contrast of like what is going on they send people called a good, because they just ate a you know a brick of carbs and and it’s really you know once you have that contrast it’s a real it’s really it’s a really deep things I don’t know if you have any final thoughts to share about just like a words of words of wisdom about your motive like what what could you say to motivate people to really really look at labels and really question and and understand that it may not say sugar in a may not look like sugar or even taste like sugar but you could be having the most Savory meal and have that sugar be the second ingredient on every sauce out of whatever so how do we close a case on sugar here I know well that’s something I thought was just really great she was saying just like everything you spoke to she said really this is about survival of the wisest so only the wisest are going to survive and I just made the people who are really proactive about you know pudding good nutrient dense foods in their body and staying away from all of that garbage and and I will say that the fermented foods especially like the sauerkraut they start when you start eating fermented foods beet kvass which is fermented beet juice a drink that every morning it’s changes your taste buds so that’s something to consider and also there is a flavor that we no one takes in anymore and that’s bitter so there’s something called Swedish Bitters and and nose would be taken as a digestive Aid before eating and any just take a little bit like in water but it will Swedish bitters with curb your sugar cravings and they will also, you know an upset stomach nausea gas bloating all of that they are bitters are amazing for the digestive system in for the production of hydrochloric acid and no balance your appetite and they will maintain healthy blood sugar levels so Swedish bitters are a great thing to include and also when my retreat clients, we don’t have any sugar being higher week but the food is so satisfying why cuz there’s a lot of good saturated fat in there and so the raw milk kefir is its dreamy creamy so incredibly delicious and I just put a little bit of vanilla in there and it’s so satisfying and there’s something like a comfort food and then the breakfast I make is my leavened sourdough bread that I make toasted slathered with butter beautiful butter kerrygold front of or I get raw butter from an Amish farmer and then I near it with avocado and then I’ll put three or four fried eggs that were stopped by and large and then a huge dollop of sauerkraut and the flavor combination is so amazing everybody freaks on that and I explain to people look you know you have a breakfast like that and then you drive to the office and then everyone’s over at the coffee klatch and they brought in all their chemical cookies and their shite donuts and stuff you’re going to be like oh my God I can’t put anything my stomach I’m not hungry and then you know I have the gorgeous suit that I make in town is so satisfying and then yes it was so when you’re eating is nutrient dense foods your body is satisfied because what do they say we have a country for obese people who are you know their bodies are starving their bodies are starving some nourishment and then people will go in this low-fat no-fat by you know 9 p.m. they’re climbing the walls and it’s thrown open every cabinet door in their kitchen to seeking something cuz their body is Jonesing food I’m telling you will do wonders for your sugar Cravings it’s really really something and yeah I mean to be so addicted to sugar I love sugar and and I would have liked a like I would always get really beautiful chocolate and I would have a stash somewhere and I’ll tell you like I finally went off at completely a year ago when I did a mushroom journey and it was a big journey and I had all these different you know these beautiful beings I just lie in the darkness with my recorder and I Channel and it’s all poetry and one of the things they said was oh and awful sugar their daughter you must be aware another evil we won’t so healthy bodies we do grow and so and so and they haven’t steered me wrong yet it’s back to give me a pack of Lee for almost eight years fine I won’t touch it and I haven’t said yeah that is that is the the most of those the gym I think of this whole this whole episode was what you just shared right there and so yes thank you so much for that and when can we look forward to the Shona home YouTube cooking show and so if you want to learn more about you know how to make raw milk kefir go on YouTube. Just type it if you want to learn how to make beats come up type it into YouTube or sauerkraut there’s so many amazing people out there who had these done these videos of themselves and they’re giving all this great information and it’s free it’s pretty great yeah well hopefully yeah hopefully the is that something you thought about or would you consider doing something like that even if it was just your own program on your own website or something I don’t know I’m also I’m putting together everything now to launch my school which I will launch in April and the school will begin in May of 2020 and it’s just for women right now only because it’s going to be eight women who will travel to my farm four times out of the year and they’ll stay there and I would love to do it for men and women but I just don’t have sort of this be sleeping accommodations quite quite together yet so we’ll start with women and it’s called Daughters of the fairy tree and end so all the traditional food knowledge will be taught and foundational herbalism as well as you know seership Divinity of dousing all kinds of things like that and coupled with I’m going to teach the Trivium and logical fallacies and foundational contract maxims of law because that’s very important as well because people don’t know that so they don’t even know you know they get caught in the arguments that we see playing out and are disgusting media and if people knew wouldn’t ad hominem is you know or an appeal to emotion and they just wouldn’t even entertain those arguments cuz you know there’s there’s no reason to involve there’s no logic involved there just High emotion to get everyone’s knickers in a Twist so yeah and you know I should say real quick before we finish talking about your listeners know I just wanted to say real quickly there I love the herbs and I do herbal infusions daily and there’s an earth called oat straw and it has it’s an old medicinal and there were some studies done there’s a wonderful website it’s called I just just Googled Medical herbalist medical herbalist oat-straw and you’ll get hit this guy’s in Australia or New Zealand but he talks about the oats and he writes in a clinical study in 1968 1969 6 out of 10 chronic opium addicts gave up the drug after treatment with O2 mL of tincture this is oat root tincture three times a day over 27 to 45 days to of the remaining for attics reduce their intake the participants status was maintained on follow-ups 3 to 19 months later and no serious withdrawal symptoms or side effects were noted the doses to milliliters is 3 times a day of tincture made from the hole from the whole plant excluding the root excuse me excuse to this is tincture of of oats and so it’s been fantastic four people to eat to help them get off opioid addiction how many people are addicted to opioids oh hell no skullcap is also Fantastic Four people who are depressed or anxious and and so you can do a tincture with skullcap and so he writes about that as well and there was one thing I was going to share on that as well if I can find it I mean in a terrific you know we’ve got to do our own due diligence we’ve got a really start researching the Alternatives because again Nature has a cure for everything so I’ll just read this real quick isn’t on skullcap wh cook right quote in The Horde sleeplessness it arises under the effort to abstain from the habitual use of opium it is one of the most Trump and reliable agents of the whole Materia Medica by Tony and also soothing the nervous structures it secures that steadiness of action which is followed by quiet sleep and it induces no shades of narcotism neither leaves behind any excitement sensitiveness North Cane Corso its skull cap is also excellent for people endeavoring to get off opioids and it’s it’s in Irving and nervines are you know they’re really good for the nervous system so there is a whole array of choices we have really wonderful for people suffering from anxiety and also depression that will not I’ll bring the liver harmful side effects you know that the these these These are herbs and they’re safe and and so I just wanted to share that as well for anyone cuz some people suffering from that as well and there’s hope for those people you’re not going to read about it in the lamestream media awesome well thank you so much again and I would say that my final thought is that throw a better party through a better potluck and I think that’s said that’s going to be my intention moving forward and so do you want to share your website URL and any other ways to contact so folks can follow up then and get connected and my email is on on there as well Shawna. Home at comcast.net and so shoot me an email and and I always return my my email so I’d love to hear from all of you also great well thank you so much son of this was so much homework to to follow up on and next time I will be at a new better and healthier person after following up on your advice so you have a wonderful rest of your evening and thank you again and be well thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episode if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com, CA

Independent Motherhood and Empowered Birth Work TPP179

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In this episode I’m humbled and blessed to be able to explore the raw realness of a wombyn of color struggling to navigate and resist patriarchy, white male privilege, and mono-normative love and relationship styles. My new heroine  sheds light on many of the shadows of injustice that she has faced and fought throughout her life and her journey as an independent mother.

She shares about the beauty and magnificence of her natural home birth and the incredible role her doula played in the process. She makes a call out for support of her efforts to study the birth working arts so that she can be of service and give back to the community.

She holds sacred space for me to open up about my ethnic impoverishment and we celebrate the enriched experience of culture that she has as a Mexican-American East Los Angelino.

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About Laura:
Laura was born in East LA, raised in Sur El Monte –UCLA matriculated, educated by her people only, from the classrooms to the streets. She studied Xicanx Studies and Spanish at UCLA, and within undergraduate studies she began to unfold her art of poetry and went on to perform original pieces.

Professionally trained as a legal assistant, Laura took a break from capitalism beginning of 2017 to both create and nurture a newborn, born July of 2017, and felt completely underwhelmed with returning to life in an office. Having had a beautiful, calm and empowering home birth, she is now on the path to joining other mamas on the journey and educating them as a friend and a doula.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 179 I am being joined by at Laura cermeno and she is a sovereign independent mother who I recently have kind of bumps elbows with on social media and she like the kind of stuff I’m doing I like the kind of stuff she’s doing and just synchronistically around her run over recent posts you know I I got a sense of the purposeful mission of being an independent and Sovereign mother that she’s working on also to be a birth worker in to get sort of a community supported or our crowd Source funding of contributions so that she can step up in that role and being serviced in a good way and that is really impressive to me that’s those these are the kind of empowered women that I’m working to build the technical infrastructure in the financial infrastructure to support in in ways that allow for more freedom and and indignity really so that there’s just not this constant compromise and sort of pressure to find a man or a v hitch to a man or the family pressure of where is the this all the psychic external Authority from the toxic masculinity that that is just an economic privilege that shouldn’t really exist so I had them or the community comes in to support women you are doing this kind of work in my opinion the better the world is going to be the better it will be making the world a better place so I’m I’m putting my money where my mouth is I don’t know about anybody else but with that said that’s my soapbox speech for the moment and I will say Lord thank you so much for your kind of being a stranger to me but but being willing to come in until your story and share and hopefully we can get some some good promotion for you as well so please go ahead and tell us about how you’ve evolved awesome I just turned 26 my little Hometown is kind of bug predominantly Mexican neighborhood I grew up I am also from independent mom most of my memories of my childhood was just being with her though we know a stepfather just coming to play when I was about eight years old and still currently still in our lives but for the most part I did see myself as a child of a single mom or independent mom who is very strong and I’m really a lot different from her own background from basically a traditional Mexican home from from a Pueblo from a really small area and you still can’t just a carry on these very men Center traditions and some typical gender roles and very kind of backwards Catholic beliefs so I did grow up with with those beliefs and them at least it’s a tempting of Swing. Urinating me with those beliefs although I do consider myself is to be honest, I didn’t know what the word was but I did know that if things are unfair I wasn’t very interested in heaven as much as my family tried to teach me to cook and clean for Imaginary future partner that would have a pretty much rejected those things when I was around my extended family so my mom never protected those things onto me so I think that kind of help bringing sing both sides really I love you supposedly was your car is no my mom was a struggling mom she had wanted to drop most of the time and despite all those things I did Destiny have a harsh of bringing my mom was also flawed herself but I made it to UCLA wanted to study to become an environmental lawyer didn’t really know how to get around to that but ended up sending check on the city so you feel like although I did still have the tendency to want to go into the legal field which actually did end up going into and despite all that I’m an artist and a poet and a creative at that point in my life who did my baby’s father for years out of college be going out like I spent the day blush and all those things and I very much as interested in kind of The Next Step specialist inside after someone like me to kind of accomplish something like a dream from school like that I thought was pretty much bet I could you know do other things I guess and one of them was very much you know starting family so I’ll save you a lot of activism work at UCLA with an organization called occupy UCLA I was also part of the Bruins I’m going to spray quality there so when I was kind of a practicing their two sisters are there Mexican Oaxaca and they just talked about big mothers and so on one episode that they did speak about home birth and I want to listen in on that and they say they spoke to her mother her name is Lauren boy she still practices as a midwife in Los Angeles Pacific Lane Redondo Beach and she’s recently had moved back to Los Angeles from maybe around ten years of experience and work with communities in Oaxaca although she’s American she has good credentials to me because she was taught by my people if that makes sense so that made me feel like Asian is a language patient was a culture might be more than a lot of others who have just lost touch with their culture and so that definitely empowered me to continue on and I believe I did reach out to her before I even was pregnant so that I can make sure that you know I was able to lock her down because I figured you’d be pretty popular after that podcast so that’s why I landed speaking with her and she ended up being my Midwife who delivered my son I’m so mean I don’t know how to fast forward to now but the home birth was spectacular there was a point where I thought I’m not going to make it in the sense that I’m ready to go to the hospital maybe to make things easier but once my dual arrived I would say she was the most instrumental in getting me to finish with my goal of having a natural number is amazing so her name is Jenny solo it’s been a year and 4 months since my son was born for the first year I was full-time being a mom stay-at-home parent and the past 4 months have been attempting to become more independent been 4 months since I left my partner and I just had to revert back to the LegalShield because that’s what I had experienced in so I did not enjoy it anymore so that’s where we are today I’m just floored and humbled and I’m kind of in shock that I’m that I’m witnessing in myself hearing all of this in feeling like Sperry I’m just Gathering my thoughts right now because so much of what you said or are considerations and concerns that a lot of a lot of men don’t turn into when they’re just doing ball games and barbecues and video games and when I dropped out of that world a stint was very in my formative years in college was very much transform bye-bye feminist lovers who really put me in check and it made me think about and try to grow sensitivity to a lot of these issues till is it just a little bit just to kind of help if you will accompany you to kind of put my contacts in in this mix cuz it’s it feels like from from from one perspective this is really awkward because what is a what is a white dude know about any of this stuff unless unless you really cared and why would he even care and I do care because you know my I have you know since I’ve had I’ve been a victim of patriarchy and various ways that makes me very sensitive to other victims of patriarchy and the the healing the thesaurus cultural healing the the gender ceiling that needs to happen it’s is very near and dear to my heart is so it’s it’s kind of made me care and be concerned and actually want to I mean of all the superhero archetypes and all the vet like violet masculine heroic bulshit if there’s a way to be a hero that is not always sexy and not always is glamorous and not always has violin it’s really like how do you how do you get humbled by the stories and understand the need to flip the script and really start to take whatever privilege you have and put it where it’s needed the most and that’s kind of what you’re talking about that’s what I hear you know this is trying to to make it against so if you don’t mind Alaska this journey that you have taken I don’t want to I don’t want it to be gossipy or dramatic or anything or but feel free to go off if you want to but I am I am curious what and whatever way you want to express it that the breaking apart breaking up Breaking Free however you want to describe it what is that look like for you having can you walk us through kind of your the psychology of the happy-ever-after kind of Disney thing was that going on or where you you know I just just whatever you could say about how you how you discovered you had to come part ways and there’s a fork in the road it with the relationship and now you have I don’t know if you have child support coming in I don’t know if you have like what level of estrangement or or or sort of like a financial duress you might be in so we can get a sense of how best to support your super heroic efforts if you if I dare say basically I don’t think that we ever really were in the happily-ever-after although we were super connected by the idea of really like my miss both of us really wanted to start a family and we met during active this time it was funny how you see yourself as Waco White Privilege Connections in certain like moral things and kind of political things but our communication never built back up our trust never built back up I guess I reach some normalcy but I think what really set me off towards the end all the way I believe we’ve been breaking up for like a long time probably even during the pregnancy there was still like some issues just basically getting along then maybe just things that weren’t fulfilling and if she know we were to be honest with one another it was it lasted even longer than it than it had to but towards the end actually on my son’s first birthday party when are joined together mind being the bigger 35 + people his relatives came by we had just gotten the house you know he actually is a lawyer law field and so I was a stay-at-home mom at the point at that point trying to break free also it was like a great especially our son but things kind of devolved I can’t believe it really was his mom trying to start shit and you know wondering asking one of these people leaving you know in my home and instead of Nino I don’t know that being squash for like maybe my partner kind of getting a little bit better he felt like you know he needed to give his response or whatever because we’ve been celebrating him drinking for a while and you don’t even smoke was being funny and I believe literally every person was enjoying themselves operate on her problem not a problem that’s why I like sarcasm but you know my partner’s response was after I was nothing helpful I wouldn’t say I was being helpful but that’s right my response he decided to kick out my family and that was a breaking point for sure I believe I talked about breaking up that night will you continue to go to couples counseling which was something that we’ve already started alright believe he started much too late couple weeks past actually I will not go back the very next day my grandmother from my grandmother who wasn’t present at the party from My Father’s Side passed away from cirrhosis and you know I dealt with being embarrassed by my partner in front of my family and then you know another relative dying you know still trying to go to couples counseling and all that and really getting no type of support One account for themselves my grandmother’s Memorial came and I wanted to celebrate go out you got a babysitter so we can go baby dancing and relieve some stress my partner were not by being we’re not getting along with and despite you know me really being in need we did not seem to go on that Alsace you know decided to go for a drive alone and got donuts with a friend and came back or came back going towards my house now calling my partner again and ask them what his plans were and he said that he was going to go to a strip club instead of either spend time with me or do nothing really but he really needed to make a statement about you know me leaving him and saying that he wasn’t a pleasant person or support that that night so you know me leaving and be independent memes like I a deserved I guess for him to go ahead and go and do something as disrespectful as it was possible for him to do something like that and he did it so because I asked me and I also think this is going to be good for a relationship to it she responded what relationship and so I kind of like where’s my hand I would say there was definite self-sabotage there and it was all so liberating you know maybe in a way he know scapegoating him for his actions and me for you needing to leave but yeah that was a definite and it was just like indicative of like a huge problem that we already had had him something that I wanted to get away from him not showed it to normalize. To my son I mean I just yep that’s how that ended thank you so much for sharing that and there’s so much going on there and it’s honestly there’s a bear up there are a number of parallel situations that I’m somehow in the crossfire or in the middle Evan in some way or another where I get it and I will I’m starting to starting to get it starting to understand that that these fractures that happen in just the whole notion that we have of the nuclear family and that whole white American picket fence line two and a half kids and dog and a cat and two cars in the garage and in that hole Mystique it time it’s problematic for a lot of reasons and what you just feel like I don’t feel like I’m doing anything wrong right now by opening in holding the space for you to share this story in a way that will reach people all over the world who are going to have a vibratory emotional resonance with just the crisis here in because you you I’m sure you will write a book you will have your Memoirs whether you whether we’re kind of taking notes now and putting out a little bit of it now or if it comes out all later but this is some it’s it’s it’s a sadly tragic typical pattern and I feel like the the word that and I have this this it is I have this fantasy this utopian fantasy that we can somehow as an entire species returned to a dynamic where women are really super into into each other’s emotional needs and it in each other’s physical needs and in and even a Time sexual needs I’m not afraid to say it I will say that it’s not it’s not it’s not a big secret that lesbian lovers take care of each other longer and better than most straight male lovers and it’s just one one dimension here but but overall I’m just seeing that the the vulnerability and the susceptibility to these douchey patterns that can just be catastrophic if it’s just that I have been trained by my feminist friends and lovers who are female body and in that they’ve been taught me that it’s like so many women are trapped in in these fucked-up Dynamics with men because they don’t have solidarity and Sisterhood amongst each other to the point where where men are just think if they come and go it doesn’t even fucking matter because they don’t have any property rights they don’t have you know your bank account password they don’t have there’s not at this whole mythology around you know my you need to view need to impress my family and my family needs to get babies from you to put their name on so that we can give her so I mean whatever the race I mean dinosaurs say whatever but but that’s not even getting started with the racial politics of course just the patriarchal patrilineal you know we named We pre-stamped the mail the mail server name on the children and we we want to control the sexuality of all of all females because they’re either going to be cranking out babies that we don’t own or they’re going to be cheating on are you know prodigal son you know we don’t want the Princess Luna with a princess running off with the family jewels in shacking up and falling in love with some poor man if some other race or something and then there’s so many that are going on I don’t know if any I’m just kind of going off because these are the bigger patterns in a bigger size but like what you talk what you’re saying like this is very well I just want to say I guess in a in a supportive way as best I can that what you just described about your particular Journey with these macro Dynamics is I just want to applaud you for for you know stepping up and taking a stand and taking a risk in and going out on a limb for your own dignity and sovereignty and I hope that the dudes in the doghouse and he’s going to try to like not are you know I’m not going to be projecting my my couples counseling services on TV right now I don’t know what is the destiny is that I was supposed to have them but certainly some growth and learning on on his part and I hope that his heart is open to that and I will say you know if you ever hears this if you ever meet Smith at like you know he can spit in my face but I will still give him a hug because we can go and have her men’s group or whatever to bring it back to the world again just I applied you I’m I’m seeing a bestseller here already so take good notes and and when I will just put best best wishes after he comes you know falls into the 2 to the matriarchy and in whatever way you’ll make sense but from this point of what you shared now I’m wondering so the the leap of faith into Independence and being single and what is that look like for you financially and legally and an emotionally didn’t like what have you kind of designed for yourself is the strategy to move forward without move forward with a cup with a new paradigm for yourself of what community is going to be like and what a family is going to be like in maybe yeah I mean I can only imagine I have a few other folks I said who are in similar circumstances that that I hear from a lot but it sounds like you know you stepped up and said hey hook it up I’m doing something good I’m going to take care of everybody’s going to be cuz you remove by that so so definitely luckily for now I’m not going through any court system to try to get any reciprocation from baby’s father he’s pretty open pretty good he is providing child support although we have some reason talks about cutting back on that at my like probably most vulnerable time right now so when things aren’t perfect but I enjoy you know the 50/50 split that we do have I think that’s healthy for my son that’s healthy for me to have some much-needed time to recoup and kind of like clean up my space and have me time luckily I found a place leasing out of 4 bedroom house with some friends some really good like-minded friends that I am having you know that Community with and that’s 5 minutes from the daycare by mention the baby father not my favorite place but you know I’m glad that it’s going to work out that way I’ll east of the Prime Meridian Community me and my partner are going to have to be in a family no matter what here and physical demands are so far not really though you know I would definitely recommend for those who do have those issues like you need to go to court my cell phone for that system but particularly what’s going on meeting child support is crucial to start as soon as you can. I’m I’m kind of make sure that things are fair you know things can be fingernail that clear you don’t know people’s Financial anything until you really get them down in a way not the same situation for everyone but luckily I’m having luck with that I never had my own place you don’t like my own place but you know I’m on the lease or where me and responsibility is a double edged sword but being cool with that and being able to do it even just excited about that I definitely am now the opinion that monogamy doesn’t work I’m opening you know myself up and I’m starting to date a little bit but for the most part I want to maintain like not a typical kind of unhealthy ways where you know because you decided to like someone now they have a say in your top of me and things like that I don’t I don’t Vibe with that and I’m just trying to meet people were kind of the same way as far as Community I mean like food sharing meeting other mothers connecting online especially now since I’m one reason Kratom has probably for myself and I do see myself hanging out with my friends and kind of wanting that energy around my son as well so for now it’s it’s that way I don’t I don’t I don’t leave men out are you not going to go the same type of again yeah that’s what I am well I’m glad to hear it pretty much all of that that’s it could be so much worse and probably not that that much better and some of the stuff I’m actually hearing it’s it’s there is it’s it’s funny because or I should say it’s funny but I’ll say that the tragic comedy is that a lot of what what a conventional or conservative certainly white bread kind of patriarchal mortified to hear most of what you’re saying cuz it would just be the end of the American dream and to me it’s like the end of the American Nightmare so I’m actually happy to hear that I honestly believe everyone can find most likely find a little something a little bit better for them scary part is leaving I guess well that’s a deep study and and I think about that Austin and I I’m just trying to build up the most elegant toolkit of intellectual and emotional resources to help people kind of feel supported in these kind of decisions one of the things that I found was a great resources there’s a polyamory weekly podcast and I don’t know it’s been awhile since I’ve been away from them but they were gone for quite a while and they interview the woman who called herself a relationship Anarchy and non-hierarchical relationship Anarchist which was and she just broke it down so hard core in and that cuz you could be relationship anarchists and be rebelling against a store Terry and lovers of course but but she was even taking it to a level of like I’m not going to have a primary partner does not going to be a sort of you know a favoritism kind of dimension of a hierarchy at the way that you get with people who do the primary partner thing which I’m not saying it’s good or bad but I’m just saying wow this is the potential is Limitless for how free you can actually be used at the Quizlet see citizen in that system essential and and so so yeah I feel like a lot of the toxic Behavior happens in this sort of void or vacuum where couples are in this secret hell realm called privacy where people shut their doors and close your blinds and they don’t want they feel like it’s inappropriate for them to to kind of do like a sit-in strike and say no until you all resolve this issue I’m not going to go to work I’m not going to leave the room I’m not going to give you your privacy to tear each other apart I’m going to ask you present and and so call me utopian call me an idealist but I feel like that Sisterhood and Brotherhood and everything in between hood is all good in the more the merrier to have people holding each other socially accountable for for misconduct and for just micro micro oppression and abuse and everything so yeah glad to hear that you’re are more Collective household and I certainly can commiserate with the that next leveling of responsibility to be to be on the lease because then you actually have to be kind of like a a job site manager 2 or something you have to take on these others wish that we would just like it was just the land and the people that children got my anything–but so so yeah now that we didn’t answer we’ve kind of mentioned a couple times the campaign that you’re doing so now will probably be a great time to give you full space to just talk about what you’re hoping to get from what the support you’re looking to to access from from those who can shave off a bit of their of their means to help you get something blue strapless with your all about it jobs Aliso maybe a little bit over a week now I was terminated from pretty terrible workplace I’m I’m pretty blessed I’m leaving and you know now just thinking about the perfect opportunity to try to switch to something more meaningful more creative less to do with the government and substantiating pretty must have systems I don’t actually mamaw really believe in so and I did I I mean I’ve been kind of thinking about some sort of spiritual work with other spiritual guides in other folks and they’ve always going to tell me you know you have this play healing thing like soda spiritual work and what they were doing I mean psychic reading room but then I was like I don’t think so you know so yeah for the most part and I’ve always been a writer. I also staying so try to do those things you know somebody is coming not much but and then just speaking to my Doula I also met with her and she kind of walk me through the process and I looked up some specific trainings that I really thought would really help some of them are for certification someone is not although certification I hear this not also not required I feel like you know parents definitely wanted to have some sort of certification so why not I’m so yeah for now I mean the main when I like the workshop that I like is not a certification one but it has so much it’s called sumi’s touch it’s a workshop at his family’s touch it still see only do it raining Crown cost $750 and all of the resources are online so I mean you study but he get the resources online so I should be able to you know keypad and potential clients another big part of the training is actually going in on where it’s which you know middle Midwest most likely kind of mitigate that you know there can’t be like 10 people on the room besides you know family members or whatever so you know it has to be kind of specific and you know birth work to do with all of this and so I shared that those costs for apprenticeships just for one birth of roughly 500 each so you know that they’ll send me back a little right now so she right now because if not I’m still trying to get email part-time job to maintain education and kind of community work that’s what that’s why I have approximate around $6,000 like kind of a beginning him out but I think you know once I get into it’ll be a lot more feasible you know no longer asking the community but if not you know give I want to give give my work to two families I would completely need to know a free Doula like that’s my gift back after I completed some training and yeah I do want both birth Doula and postpartum doula certification so that I could help free during birth and then postpartum healing looks pretty much my spiel about the GoFundMe I pray that you get all of the abundance that is coming to you and I really appreciate the way your structuring the the perks you know to be able to be in service in and it’s really like a Pay It Forward kind of thing of people can help you out they will know that they have you to have their backs and I’ve known a couple of doulas in my life and certainly known women who have worked in the women’s sexual health field in the reproductive Health shield and pardon my French but a lot of what what they’ve been up against is a real shitshow and I just watch and watch the the mainstream institutions just chew them up and spit them out in the pharmaceutical corruption and just there’s so much real evil going on once you get into that medicalized anything. I am so we don’t know most of us what we don’t know about what we’re missing out on about home birth and having really wise which is an herbalist and and Medicine women who have dedicated themselves to these pads and if you want to talk about taking a power back from patriarchy this is such a one of the deepest wounds are one of the most I guess I would say for my perspective which is a really I really twisted for most of intervention from the the way that they put you in the stirrups to the others are so many things that I think it was just a total medieval torture horse or something else so can you teach for the people listening and I don’t know if you will get you know a ton of support just you know from from the audience I’ll try to get this out as soon as possible but I’m certainly going to put in what I can to help you move forward with your goals but I would like to just have you just kind of share with us for the record kind of what what is the what Define a doula and independent provide more of a definition and and talk about really how how relevant is that we have a doula on every block or whatever is the goal you know what I mean I really like its etymology like it means a woman of service or something like that would she really really wrong with that but you know obviously in the picture I get at 11 and someone wants to be there for you and not not just a service but more like emotional like support I believe that’s one of the most beautiful things, I didn’t think about needing a doula until it was probably 6 months into my pregnancy and you know what the things are and who could help me in the prices in time became very anxious do you know why but I just realized maybe because of my issues with my ex and I needed a more emotionally attentive person that just knew it wasn’t was going on and I will you not shave my ex still he was very much present and helpful I’m I did too heavily rely on just my Doula process so because she is entrenched in me a Mexican traditional practices of Reno labor and then she’ll sit does placenta encapsulation and she does feeling ceremonies at the end which are traditional Tim and Janice Mexican communities because they’re in the traditional to some indigenous communities definitely she’s very in touch with those types of things and for the most part I believe it was mainly her touch some of her words that are touched during spring surgeons contractions that kind of made them my mind go away station was about like 50% reduced and just having that constantly every now every 5 3 2 5 minutes like that touch that reassurance it was brief but it was powerful and I wasn’t seeking anyone else out other than her and I don’t think that if she was not present but I would have done you know the full natural hunger I don’t know if the goal is to have one on every block but at least four people to know what I do want is what to do what does do those are not the ones license to help bring out the baby anything medical although they do Monitor 40 days postpartum ceremony maybe their knowledge is that are carried out through very many generations through a special spiritual people spiritual healers family-to-family it’s not about a social-media thing although it is becoming one I am particularly wanted that because I don’t believe in science is not created by women about women I don’t think more people can know about our bodies than ourselves and our intuition far beyond what the cerebal can tell us far beyond what we can read about in nail science textbooks or something like that especially her mother is healthy with no complications. Things will be fine you know that science of fear is stronger than the actual evidence based science dualism cells can produce for you regarding you know labor and delivery just in the home so that’s why I want to do what I want to do awesome I feel the warmth in my heart. Nice and kind of my mind playing out to the cinematography of of what you’re talking about and if you are you good to go at 5. This is been a fast almost hours are you good to go a little further or something that is because you mentioned social media it’s it’s kind of I guess ties in with this kind of fun well I will see the you’re also talking about science and technology and and how might how feminism has inform my attitudes towards technology and whatnot so just kind of say briefly that I I think there’s a lot of Now new space for ethical hackers of all colored hats to look at the the big data conglomerates and monopolies that are sucking our private information out into the corrupt backdoor deals and just makes Orwell look like Bambi or something you know it’s like it’s worse it’s worse than I ever imagined it’s more Insidious and more Twisted in in sadistic never imagining and yet it also this whole moment we’re in with with some the internet with social media I’m I’m old enough to know what it was like to have to read a book or go out and socialize to not be bored a lot has changed I see this blessing and a curse and then obviously the curse of aspects are pretty obvious certainly anybody listen to this anybody is addicted to refreshing a need an app for anyting guilty of certain degrees of that we can if we have a hack your mindset to this situation than we can we can use a little bit of digital Alchemy in in in figure out how to make these systems work in in the benefit of the people in the benefit of people of color in the benefit of the oppressed of all varieties in and really it’s it’s the potential I think to reclaim and redefine Beauty on a lot of levels so something that you were very I would say there is a bold and beautiful about is the you or I seen your Instagram and you’re doing herbal baths with your child you know you’ve you’re doing breastfeeding you were flying your stretch marks and I believe there is a lot of room and a lot of potential to reclaim the the beauty of mothers and Andrea Lee break the beauty myth molding and smash the patriarchy in that sense so I’m just curious if it’s not out of my you know appropriate balance to to open these topics if you want to talk about how you how you want to or how you were thinking about and strategizing about kind of re beautifying motherhood in in the whole kind of plastic Barbie Perfection kind of thing I feel like my probably never fit the mold and you know what Barbie stuff that’s hot issues with my image and and what I want to see I guess then in a pregnancy in a major key for while I from Los Angeles I feel like I was especially at that point because I had been breastfeeding and things have been going so well and I was producing a lot of milk is losing a lot of calories I feel like I was like my body what did have a hard time with it actually was a stretch marks because they’re so dark for so long and maybe they’ve been fighting this year but at the end of the day because I’ve been mice like who I am who I hopefully have portrayed myself to be it myself you know throughout this talk I like what’s in the mirror like I can’t deny a picture for the most part those images they came about kind of want to win all those thousands upon thousands of pictures of other pictures are affected my culture I’m not just my culture it was actually an article about Latinos and changing the United States predominately do think Mexican and not the problem itself my Mexican culture I mean how could I let you know how can I kind of like I wasn’t cheerleading I wasn’t picky I was just listening to kind of like creative directors and and also one of them being my Village any Silva. Imo’s pictures I couldn’t deny that for myself a friend of mine. For my son and you know it at the time I’m pretty sure I was very self-conscious but I’ve ever gotten of me and my son and regardless I don’t think that you can even think about Barbie that have skated my son and there’s no way that you can deny that kind of love what I write in my diary and actually feel about myself sometimes I mean everyone has those monsters and it’s not it’s settled in the other thing is like I’m making him a photo with my son and it’s not sexual at all and so those types of conversations we were blessed and that my picture came to fruition through National Geographic so they actually were able to okay that photo and have it in place of the name of an article which I particularly make sense with the rest of the words in the article so captivating in a way it captures kind of like innocence in like kind of like giving like specially because yeah that’s what it that’s what the whole process is giving your body an alarm for a time and then all the time after that where you’re breastfeeding you’re also very much giving your body and your energy but yeah I’m super lucky that my Doula Jenny silver had previously worked with a National Geographic photographer and they were interested in cultivating raised images for a specific article about kind of power which was reshaped to talk about Trump’s America basically I’m so yeah I mean it away my photo resurface there and it is in the magazine July 2017 you’re after my son was born so that was pretty powerful yeah that’s pretty much a part of me wishes that you would just keep talking forever so I don’t have to help myself for like being choked up with tears right now and we like that yeah this is this is really powerful and I said I want to be too Starstruck that that you’re a Nat Geo and Neji was so near and dear to my heart I feel like doing the Wayne’s World I’m not worthy thing is that just a little bit more about my do love if you know like something with her in there because Stephanie like know that power and you know all that staging and ran to actual herbal bath like those images and like that sacredness of hours but you know that’s something from her and I think that comes out of the picture yeah I like I always the picture like National Geographic a lot of like animals but just being in touch with all types of Nature and like you know that type of stuff like being in arima super powerful and I think that again it’s like a lost tradition in my car trying to reclaim that now. It’s been around you know these things are not scary but just letting you know we have more power right on well I will say I have it is not been challenging for me to be. Don’t take this the wrong way or anything but I would say there is a man in this world I’ve always felt like it was not a chore but else but a privilege to a good refers to be meditating on the the beauty of stretch marks and just feeling the texture and not is a sort of like oh oh pity party you know you don’t get to be in Miss Universe it now or whatever it’s like such a bullshit but it’s a Well there should be a Miss Universe for for that and if you actually cared you know you would appreciate that so I feel like that if you haven’t anyone listening if you haven’t worshipped stretch mark belly before then you’re missing out the music sits it’s a mystery and something to to meditate on in into yeah it’s 11 so I appreciate that and I guess maybe your last sort of from save me hear them thinking of would just be 2 maybe I’m kind of a this is this is a big kind of klusterfuk of questions I guess you could say that I that I have I’m a white man to grow up in the Northwest and one of the whitest states in the union and I was always drawn to the Mystique of LA to all of the Hollywood movies that I watched his latchkey kid and all that stuff and now I’ve been down here for almost maybe more than 15 years trying to just connecting and you know you’re going to laugh but it’s like things like I really connected as a young child with movies like La Bamba and later got into Blood In Blood Out which is also made by the same the same dude who was who is his kind of enamored with being I don’t I wouldn’t forget to send him but I’d say certainly my case that has he said he grew up grew up around and experienced a lot of Latino culture for me there were bits and pieces growing up but but just being a fight dude totally disgusted with the emptiness of my own non-kosher at 8 just felt like I want to just be the ugly ducking duckling and check up to whatever other intact kind of familial or sort of tribal structure as I can find so I’m kind of like a Joy’s the the parties and I’ve always kind of like exactly I haven’t tried to Vienna. The Mexican because I’m in LA and I’ve Had My Moments in there to see if you would know that I just that there’s been some funny like West Side Story type moments and funny like that is pretty funny but it it it it does speak to this bigger kind of picture thing what I want to say about it being the klusterfuk of a question is like to bring it back for you is like you know I see indigeny small and sort of thumb Anarchy feminism in just at the tour to Mexico with punk bands and I’ve gotten to really for myself see the the this just the fact that 49 1492 is every day somewhere in the world and there’s places where that that that Battlefield this is like the battlefield of indigenous language is dying against Spanish to English in seeing punk bands play punk in steampunk in and totally indigenous tongue that may or may not be fully documented by anthropologists but it’s a the and also the fact that like a lot of the Latin American punk rock seems that I got to experience were not everybody was all pumped out a lot of people were just like regular working class citizens and they were all participating in that because it was like the a way to celebrate I got more of that more deeply connected fabric of culture and what not but I guess you know what I worried where this is going and I appreciate you being very with me versus myself I feel like I could ask you this question and I can’t I can’t always ask people this question cuz it’s too controversial into explosive you know but the question really is you know how do you in your you’ve broken free from a lot of the shackles of thinking that Catholicism in patriarchy and the state and and all these other institutions that that try to turn indigenous people against their own skin color against their own Traditions you know you were fighting that fight right now and I just I’m curious what you would say and what your thoughts are what you would share for the the occupied and the occupiers the colonized in the colonizers wherever you might be in the world like what what is what words would you have to say for to empower people to break free from these religious controls and spiritual and sexual all that stuff and so I don’t know you know what comes to mind but how can people be of service that are not you know my condition is some people who are indigenous how can they kind of stand up and break free and not sell out and whatever you know conform or whatever that is definitely a huge question I don’t consider myself like any kind of Representatives regardless of my identity. You know like like similar to you I think I don’t necessarily write people off because they’re white although have a lot of comrades and friends I do but I do think that there’s be home folks or not a business that you know there’s a void there’s there’s a feeling there’s a there’s a reason why we’re all kind of going through a shift and realizing like this is not a certain different types of things for ourselves and having kind of like technological kind of looks like talking but not enough kind of like doorways to like get through to like the type of world that we will be one of those kind of far out two different things I mean it sucks but now the main way you can contribute to the world you want to live in right now is funds his fundraising is bleeding charity work but more like you know who needs to be uplifted that’s maybe you know if you can think about it the current structure for the current capitalistic structure are not valued in the same monetary way but they’re doing more for the community and the types of work and the type of world that you want to live in in the future like that type of stuff right so like less kind of thing people eyes like a disadvantage or whatever it’s more like kind of like Goods what can you give when then what can you what can you go back to people who have donated to me just like that other people who again or more just that I want to see what’s up to so you know like you know anyone that’s looking for a doula you know how I am in that position where I think I do need to attend for free things like that so for people who are indigenous of course just again where the mouth speaking to people speaking to people about birth rethinking births or I’ll be home for a worm anything that deviant from you you know but not necessarily kind of like reinforcing those structures on each other that type of thing but that judgment what became an entrepreneur for yourself so you know it’s just being you not being imaginative enough and you may be wanting that for yourself in your life right like that’s why people come out here with negativity or or should I just be mindful of your energy where you place it in and why you’re giving off something that’s not super ideal my world’s just blind optimism but you know I think we definitely need more optimism and I am definitely like a punk I really like happy Punk right now from a world where you know I’m from the same world as y’all but I definitely think for the revolution what I want to bring is this breath work and what I want to bring is more positivity and it has to be blind sometimes why not you know we just need that when you believe in God but definitely line ourselves up to receive those changes by way of saying all the the mess ups we have in our own brain like deconstructing kind of like the actually try to make a difference I think that’s pretty much it is to you for decolonizing your bedroom and decona is in your mind and decide to colonizing these dimensions of bed sometimes overlooked and I appreciate everything you have been saying in will be taking good notes in and I can also commiserate about punk rock and I’ll say that I like I said happy Punk I’ve actually kind of put the thought experiment out there what if what if in some bizarre sci-fi future the punk the punk rock an Arco Punk Revolution actually succeeds and we are living in tribal Neo tribal Utopia and there’s nothing to complain about what kind of music are we going to read me and are we going to be playing these like death metal Melodies about Doom and Gloom or we going to be free country weaving the musical fabric that used to be just ceremonial songs and and ways to get through seasons and get through life cycles and things so so I’m I’m there with you and I if I am looking forward to hearing the chi music that you hopefully will create an account of lyrics and poetry that you were right and hopefully that will be part of that transition towards post-apocalyptic Punk kind of phone oh yeah well. Cool will definitely have more time again I think will be great to have you back to even come in and talk about some of the as you do your trainings and as you have more experience has to come in and share and just get more people kind of Switched on and activated around in this and amazing well thank you so much for your platform I appreciate it so much more than you know but I definitely would love to come and reconnect it somewhere cool so I guess I would say that I just want to help put in my final words and then leave it open to you to say whatever you like to close out with and certainly will put a link to your campaign in the show notes and anything else you like to have shared their yeah and so I would say it’s interesting residents that I have with with your story and that I actually I went to the University of Oregon and that was where is it premieres environmental law conference happen every year and it was just an orgy of environmental lawyers and I got to expose to all of these campaigns in all of these struggles and all of this super high level but it was great cuz it was like you had all these super Elite privileged white intellectual academic Scholars and then they were using the budget of the university in this this this conference annual conference to to bring in indigenous environmental Warriors from all over the world to tell me the story so you know that was it a very beautiful thing and I feel like something that is the I want to see a buzzword but like a key term from from that world is well everything is is our environment and the environmental justice in this order from the cultural ecological issues that you’re talking about it’s like yeah you talking about the legality around the environment of the womb and how they how to clean clean that up so I feel like you were definitely I mean I can see the the parallels there and in whatever dimension environmental law Shield work you want to explore I’m sure that the the grant funding and the interns and that you no tapping into all of those those hungry Minds in the people that want to study things and you know you just have to spend it right and you can have a PhD thesis if I can see it so you review right yeah but now I I just actually study that I actually did research on mental racism in low-income communities I’m in certain communities but I think my closing thoughts for sure are just that Albert’s that’s the beginning of our culture and if we are experiencing experiencing or like that I meant to me if you know I’ve been through this process and make sense to me but if you think about it you know I think about it logically and all the beginning of society begins with Creative Kids of this cage think of work like this is like the first step for a new Society right like and even in your own interpersonal lives where can we drive power and how come we Empower women to have empowered birth and not just you know that one day but you know checking in having Community being accountable to them you know I’m kind of Usher as Elders that experience them but also have some advice for independent mother and said I would say and I’ll start with self-care is your number one goal that’s super difficult and over myself a camera that usually ask for my son because I know I could feel depleted if I wasn’t so caring I definitely was a different kind of mom and that’s something I didn’t want to pass on I would say start creating that works around you find other end of town mothers like you share resources like food would sharing and child caring if that’s feasible of my ruin us to Burnt out from work for when you need it I said I would say don’t have too much of a pride issue personally but when you ask for help then people will know that you need it and regardless of of that Party Factory think that because we have a little little people to attend to you know it doesn’t really have a place all the time when numbers are my final words alright well thank you so much I’m looking forward to next steps and we will talk more about the survival women project soon and and hopefully that can be another another connection point two more networking and more resources to help you move all this stuff for so thank you for being being willing to come on the show and hopefully a lot of people will get a lot from this and I really do want to bring it all the way back down to the thirst with a lot of the stuff and I appreciate that so yeah I have a wonderful rest of your evening and we will be in touch very soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.drudgereport.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provides ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at 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