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Permaculture Eco-Warriors Establish The Moshram Part 2 TPP281

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In this episode I’m joined by MC Mycopath for a two part series on the past, present, and future of his personal permaculture journey and the establishment of The Moshram

My Non Verbatim Show Notes

MM:

10 years doing landscape consultations, small scale urban repurposing of people’s front and back yards, more hip with local, everything that’s taking place, microbio in soil, plants that co-mingle,

also consulting folks with health

certifications achieved through multiple biochemists

learned that the more fresh foods that we consume, the healthier our cells are

the body that takes us around here

with that, understanding and passion for that, I really wanted to be able to provide highest quality product of food for myself and others, coupled with education

spin farming, brother and I spin farming, didn’t necessarily bring in permaculture

added permaculture principle layer to spin farming

densely growing high value crops in small area

regenerate the living systems

help maintain my living system, at a cellular level, also at a financial and social level

been about 5 years, that I’ve been on this site, had multiple sites over the years

site, least likelihood of it being taken from underneath my feet, all apart of journey

seeing successes and failures in past projects

led me to finding this space

it was through a friend, that was aware that I was looking to scale up

spin farming in brothers back yard, with brother

then when on to slightly expanding at space I was at

really like to bring it all to one location and just do this

generally around vegetable crops

annuals predominantly

put in a layer of perennial crops

also longer term species, fruit trees

learned fascinating things about fruit

fruit tree requires least amount of water over long time period

gives back a lot to soil

soil is really just millions or billions of living organisms

eating pooping, dying, whole things perpetuating

through roots and leaves, branches, fruits, they drop all feeding system

year in year out

bring together this whole concept

put it at a term, silvopasture

rows of fruit trees, or some type of tree

aid in creating shade

aid in slowing down wind

not requiring a lot of water, relative to other annual crops

in between rows, would grow annual crops

maybe these annual crops are things just to regenerate soil

rotational crop, in between lettuce, grow vetch, cow pea, to reinvigorate the soil from what was depleted from what was the previous crop you cultivated

what we set out to do here

very densely packed rows of vegetable crops to sell at market and too individuals through CSA type program

longer term species of varying fruit trees

simply move forward upon goals of project, something that’s always an unknown, fortunately and unfortunately, that collaborative team of 3 individuals broke down

mediator, wasn’t sustainable, they didn’t vibe well, both wanting to walk away which they did

I was not very interested in walking away from another project, having it swept out from under me, again ,because these two egos weren’t collaborating

move post differences

differences got in the way

I wasn’t feeling, stepping away from all of the work we had done from contouring the land, to bringing in so much organic matter, infusing bacterium, all sorts of soil microbiology

perennial fruit trees, you have to wait some time, 3-5 years minimum to reap harvest

I didn’t have it in me to just be like you guys aren’t into, either am I, I am into it

don’t just want to do it here, want to perpetuate this stamp, different biomes

so cal region, mediteranean biome, only about 7 med, climates on the planet, tend to be the most lucrative for humans to co-exist with surroundings, temperatures, food crops, wild and domesticated

love to see what it’s like in other bioregions as well, other climatic elements

we’ve got going on what we have here

you came forward saying how interested you were in helping perpetuate this project, it was like the clouds parted

working on this site, we’re on 10s of acres, just working out a little over an acre, just maintenance alone for one person is daunting to say the least

just because we put together a holistic system doesn’t mean there’s no more work

actually perpetual, no end to amount of work, just in pruning things, cultivating

easy to plant seed, easy to harvest, cultivation in between, I don’t know if it’s gonna survive or not, I’ll do everything I can

lot of energy mental, physical, spiritual

one dude, isn’t gonna hold the world on his back man, either are two

TP: makes me think I’m gonna use another term for defining permaculture and call it ecological parenthood

caring for something to maturity

young families go through it, terrible twos, fighting, health similar thing

tree system here, adolescent,

MM: not as easy as dealing with child, can’t teach a tree how to fight off a squirrel, they’re bullies

TP: the timeliness of this, synchronicities will be unveiled later

rick straussman, first actual government sanctioned psychedelic research studies since the 70s, gap of 20 years

spirit molecule, interviewed,

recently, basically saying, people would ask did he take DMT,

he would give a vague answer or plausible deniability

eventually recently came out, admitted, yeah, I was doing it

I’m like fuck yeah, I wanted to hear that for so many years, scientist had the balls to do what he was talking about

ties back together, something he said, meta level life philosophy

you know, back then I had my whole career ahead of me still, a lot to lose, judged, critique, older, less of my life left, that’s much less life to lose

we’re at a point where I don’t want to piss off the wrong people, I don’t want to be a target, wait til we have resilience before we have grand opening at this site

eventually will ripened, eventually forced by demand, people will need it

sweet spot in time, security measures, support we need, capital, be in place for the time we want to open the gates

get to that point when, we did the thing, not much left to lose, tell the story, give real names, not give a fuck

certain things now, I feel like, at least statute of limitations has run out on some things, one metric

that feeling, we’ll get to a point where we don’t have that much to lose

my side of story of having fallen in love with this site, toured project in the past, wishing I could be more connected, occasion to visit

definitely feel like it was one of the most epic works in progress of so cal permaculture

ability to do it right

social permaculture dynamics of human sector, zones of humans, sector of humans, human elements, could have most beautiful property, dynamics surrounding neighbors be your worst enemy, false starts,

time energy, blood, blisters, heart ache, amount of effort that goes into permaculture project, somebody that’s they’re mission, to have that be continually ripped out in front of you

people don’t even see it

persecution of religious sects, we are the lost tribe of permies, that are constantly being haranged by neighbors

adapted us also to travel light in our personal empires

positive side effect of lifestyle of ecological romance

nudge nature to create symphonies of seed and soil

less hindered

student of Tyler Durgen, waking up after car crash with Edward Norton, the world I see, laying out strips of vennisen

hunter gathers, thriving on the carcass of industrial collapse

utopian anarchoprimitivists, intellectual elite, from eugene, green anarchist, wanna be poser,

not everybody was a poser, the heads that were the elitist, very hyper intellectual, authors and writers, wind bags, had all this talk

in eugene the founder of food not lawns, we’d go there talk bs about living primitive, blessing her with presence of our lofty conversations, decades later we don’t have our food forest, we don’t have fruit trees maturing, resentment, burnt bridges

super extra appreciate hard work that’s been done

this site, work you’ve done, huge grace, a pass, I could and should very well be punished for how far I’ve strayed from the path of planting trees, defending them, standing by them, storms, storming off of partners and lovers, mission and duty to make a stand

there’s a lot of times I’ve said this is not the hill I’m gonna die on, and this is the first time I can actually say this is a high that I would die on, for a lot of reasons, biggest gift to me, is to know

who is tantra punk, wacko jerk off wanna be tyler durgen alter ego, that split off from psychedelic ceremonies that got botched, and now this floating soul part of my old wounded self, has created this internet porn star wanna be freak, don’t have much ecological, I have bastard children trees, all over the place, to be able to be like

while you were out there, doing this thing, that could have got you in trouble, some what of an adventure, fool hardy, never would have expected that I could just cheat that time that I walked away from the permaculture path, did this freaky stuff

hey ben, dinners ready, fruit falling from trees, I just get to get back into the zone, almost 10 years since I was in deep coastal mountain broad acre permaculture, doing the trees, doing the systems right, the scale, the soil

waltz into this at a point you’d be beleagured, bromance novel cover if there ever was one

thanks to the designer of designers, tip had lift glass to him

be great to go into the shark tank part of this, now the reinforcements in the form of me and my humble but growing financial capital I can put in to keep things afloat, elbow grease, sweat equity

optimizing dance of mutuality, with responsibilities, rights, tasks, finances, between the two of us

alchemy we’re doing, the renaissance of this project, bring into 2.0 era

trajectory of , drawing from the permies community, paul wheaton, survival podcast, larry santoyo, different instructors we’ve had

business model for the site, the rebel farmers like sepp holzer, austria, kramaterohoff, epic contour narrow ponds support subtropical microclimates, high elevation fruit trees

so abundant, epic, done epic shit, considered to be the ultimate rock star, don’t think any other place on earth, other mature permculture projects, the profitability and scale and grandeur, I don’t know what I would compare to the kramaterhoff on earth

wonders of the world of permaculture tour, walk through it sometime

business model, everything else in agriculture sector, globalized race to the bottom, poison, toxic

convince people to want to buy american, niche for premium products, usually sick people who can afford to take your advice

don’t want to give crutch of supplying, want to teach them to do it themselves, leverage their acreage, their community

the idea of farming to enable other people to not be horticulturalists, shift from that as soon as possible

paradigm, living the dream, market gardeners, the biproduct of creating plenty of best varieties of food we’d like to eat, we’ll have excess, and with that excess we can play god to an extent in the economy because of how much of ecological ninjas we are

rather than try to package it all in plastic, get it in all the stores, scale it to the world

we make a more dense local economy out of it, healing center, learning center, teaching them how to fish, not selling them a fish per se

in my crude nut shell of a pitch, that’s the trajectory we’ve been most in agreement about

if somebody had infinite budget to invest, why should they buy into this as working co-op member, or non-working co-op member, how can people benefit from helping us

MM: few dudely dudes, I’ve met could really have no care to well being of nature around them, small minority of people I’ve spoken with of time on this path, over 20 years

experience with biodiesel co-op, very localized project, I would do education to engineering firms, groups

education at earth day festivals, people contribue, become non-working members of biodiesel co-op because they like what’s going on, think it’s a good direction

if anybody has capital, monetary, social, spiritual, any of the 8 forms of capital, that they are willing to share to perpetuate, the direction of this project

this may sound overzealous, I couldn’t think of a better project, or more dedicated individuals to invest that capital in

it’s one of those put your money where your mouth is

my clients in landscaping and in the health regeneration, many of them, actually buy into what I have to share, because of how I’m living my life

I’m not just using words, I’m hands in the soil, I’m doing everything I can at every corner

from what I know of you, been a crucial part of so many projects, that at one point or another it wasn’t your jive anymore for whatever reason

here we are find ourselves together on a mountain we’re will to die on

and it takes a community always

for anyone that would like to be a part of this community and see it perpetuate

be able to visit the site

local,

to benefit from the harvests of all of this, where else are you gonna put your money, time, energy, love

I’m not sure

it’s like you said man, this is one of the rare sites of southern california, any and all help, helps perpetuate a holistic project, working towards the great good of the local and world community when it comes down to it

held a lot of retreats, get people from all over the world, host in tropics, pretty good centralized area, highly abundance

ripe things to eat, throughout the year

amount of people that congregate, so diverse, so incredible, have a lot to share

at this point we have a site that any and all people interested have the ability to share

before it’s all been other people’s sites, very temporary, the time that gets spent there

long term expanded version of those experiences, and “retreats”

where else are you gonna put your resources, if you want to see great things happen, cause that’s all we’re really into

passionate

tend to only roll with those who are equally passionate about making this place a better place to be

agenda 21,

different concept of human settlement zones, from what we’re working towards here

TP: yes

to say the most and the least, that says it all, what could I add to that

nuts and bolts of this business modeling, goes back to legacy of my parents at some point will read the manifesto my father wrote for member based, for-profit nonprofit, fruit based operation, deep in heart of washington state apple orchard lands, building a massively, dense, intensive educational commercial project, rusticness, design constraint, make all tools, tools to make tools, melting down old cars, human powered, they were one of the first and most highly respected, wasn’t hippie commune, very studious, technical, published technical manual, subscribers to periodical, whether they purchased wares or we students, subscribe to catalog, kind of like micro version of mother earth news

department of making you said, interviewed mom, years ago, maybe now the time, one of those things you never know when it’s appropriate, get people on podcast, get perspectives, state of world, might be our last conversation, could go for anybody, did great interview with mom about 10 years ago, transapocalyptic, utopian for her, fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree

hard dharma, karmic seeds of melt down of family, trauma, wasted years, trouble, lot of years to get on the course that fell apart

a lot of people, children of the hippies

there’s something magical about the fact that here we are kind of at the age our parents were, as a generation, hippie, back to the land 2.0, we had woodstock,the rainbow gathering spawned from that, what are children of hippie’s doing now, actually fulfilling some of those dreams

we have now psychedelic shamanism, and not just acid, the electric kool aid test, these people went back to the land, no shamanic oversight, no elders,

even Geoff Lawton jokes, sad joke, comic tragedy, I wonder how many communes failed because they didn’t understand proper solar orientation, they bought land on north facing slopes, gave themselves an uphill battle on steep slopes facing the shadow of the sun, don’t even know why they melted down

permaculture,

we can learn from a lot of those mistakes, well positioned to demonstrate, and proudly display the next generation of the back to the land movement again at a time my mother talked about in the podcast

people went back to the land at the peak of the OPEC oil crisis in early 1970s

it wasn’t 1969 and summer of love, melt down of haight ashbury into tweaker rape culture madness,

they didn’t go directly from peak of 60s to back to the land, survivalist, apocalyptic thing, cities going to evaporate and collapse, economy gonna collapse, have to head to hills and start building a future

but brought in patriarchy, monoculture, only little bits of eastern mysticism

wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for that

now, okay, this is for me the most pure and karmically cleansed and most righteous set of circumstances to do your thing

are you really these eco artisans the whole world should pay attention to, or destined to fail

may not be the last place I ever work on

do world tour of biomes

if you take permaculture design course you want to be like a army ranger, navy seal, eco macguevery, swiss army knife, want to be deployed in every climate

because you know how to do things like harvest snow melt for nursery underground

be a bad ass shit, being a bad ass eco warrior with all this knowledge

do what special forces and green berets, what if all the engineering and money and investing and capital, everything that went into napalm and agent orange, if instead of destroying ecology, all that cultural engineering of warfare, went into actually creating a more resilient opposition through permaculture

tactical permaculture, make it impossible for them to put land mines in territory you want to defend, created thorny trellising, motes, father in military

being a bad ass, be tactical, have a reason to train, not mma, good for them but

wanna have something I love that’s worthy of defending that would keep me in shape just by working it, origins of kung fu and farming

bit of a tirade from me

MM:

I really like how you brought up that the fruit does not fall far from the tree, parents

definitely feel, that’s a thing that goes on in nature, we’re a part of it

we’re carbon copies of these people we call our parents

we emulate them in so many ways, because of the signature for which they gave us, dna

as father was one of most brilliant men I’ve ever met in my life

I would come forward to father with things I’ve learned, he would share how could he thought it was, what it made him think about

prior too, a little apprehensive, most brilliant man, hey check this out, not knowing what kind of feedback, always positive re-enforcement

honoring that we can do as individuals in relationship to our ancestors, that can be very important for mental scape, how we conductor ourselves in our lives

bro, sounds like a spitting image of your dna tree

I would imagine your mother and father had some similar thing for them

fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree

TP: I should shout out thank you to your father, have to name the library after him

lots of bro time to catch up on, and create that space where we can, aya ceremonies, 2 or 3 generations in one ceremony of family members, pretty epic

we’re healing ourselves, healing each other, healing the masculine, and creating a safe and welcoming space for the feminine to be free to be fully expressed

said before no offense, I kinda feel like, well it goes back to waynes world, fully functional babe layer, you can design for the woman in you, and the woman you want on you, save 9th form of capital for another episode

not a monastery, not womanizers either, between monastery and rapey womanizer cult, we’re probably somewhere in the middle

we need our other ethical brothers to step up, we have some healing to do in our tribe of permaculture, takes a lot of those talks about our fathers and what they did and didn’t teach us

so, that conversation is an open forum, its fun to shoot guns and practice your kicks and punches, equally important to break down and let yourself be, pummelled and tenderized by letting go of trauma, letting brother hood energy find those deep wounds and fractures, more energy buried we could be apply to our tree parenthood, soil parenthood, aquaculture parenthood, seed parenthood

MM:

along those lines of the multigenerations of lineage through psychedelic experience, its always bewildered me, with my psychedelic experiences with mushrooms, everytime I sense my grandfather,at first really weird thing, now a presence I’m aware of, hear and feel mutterings, only knew for short period of my life

at this point it’s very interesting, grandfather said, you’re back, maybe I’m back, it’s nice to be with you

thanks for helping to perpetuate my father,

what can I do for us

great thing

TP: it’s like working for a company, at office chair, every once in a while the owner comes in, the day the owner comes in, checking it out, what’s your name, trippy, ancestor worship is a thing

use it or lose it

I feel in this life, pretty damn abandoned by ancestors, been torn asunder to depths of hell such that ancestors have been blocked off by dark armies of hell, demons, but we’re gonna compost the shit out of them, find that the spirit guides were always there, they were just blocked, we didn’t make it easy for them to get back to us

of all the times I’ve felt I don’t know if I belong here, don’t know what I should be doing here, try to destroy ego, never lasts, very few times and place where I feel there is pure righteousness

liberate this land from all the plastic, multigenerational journey

dance with past and future, toxic gick, pure nature, spirits definitely guiding us

applauding efforts, works cut out for you, each one teach one, clean it up, scale it out

microcosm of what has to be done for the whole planet, on every planet

MM: not controlled by forces that think they’re higher

TP: decentralized, mycopathic, path of mycology

talk about martial arts, personal development, brother hood, men’s group experience that we’re working on and developing synthesis of spiritual, self defense, fitness through working the land, grace of being connected to your yin, notion of not just another wet noodle retreat center, traipsing around in loosest clothing, look at me I look like I just jumped out of a Rambo set, and yet I’m spiritual, dancing, smelling flowers, appreciating all the rainbows, but I can also do some ninja rolls, lift some heavy shit, drag some shit around, and do what’s gotta be done, ideal of a shaolin temple, double dragon fruit

playing up this idea, thinking about, if I was a kid, in the peak of my GI Joe fan boyness I would love to be shooting airsoft guns, tactical training with seed shot pellets, was nature boy, played in nature

how much fun families can be having, applying energy going into videos or going into being a boxer, mma fighter

masculine energy, protection, defense, epic garden project, for masculine energy to balance itself and exhaust itself, place for healthy catharsis, healthy relationships, families, we can both speak to

will be legacy to leave behind, a martial, permaculture, ecological, new martial culture as well, no surprise, or coincidence that we both, been blessed by profound journey’s into what other brutish me respect, not just purple breathers, also to some degree bad asses

love to hear you talk about, the spirit of the dragon fruit that animates you and your kung fu gardening techniques

MM:

made reference to that hippie thing, an elder at one of the rainbow gatherings I was sitting with , great acronym, term hippie, happy intelligent person, pursuing infinite excellence

never my thinking when it came to hippies, people that smelled bad, sat around got high and kept sitting around

just talking isn’t accomplishing,

pursuing infinite excellence, taking it to another level, punk rock perspective

you are a hippie, you smell like scum, I’m your worst enemy, a middle class street punk

and I always resonated with that, really nice to get that different perspective of what hippie could be

greater mobility in body, sought out chi gong master, chinese yoga for lack of better terms

not just stretching

entire philosophy, after about a year of training, sifu said, training is great, very yin, balance out with kung fu, more yang,

open to this, cool

always wanted, wanted to have military training for various reasons it wasn’t something that happened, along same line of hippie

kung fu, nearly synonymous, life mastery

mastering whatever life is for me, to me

level of giving back that comes from all of that

began training kung fu

4-5 days a week sometimes 2 sessions a day, my body started to really get in tune with motions, weapons training, when we think back to the shaolin, where kung fu started

these were farmers, weapons were their farm tools, really started to come through as my body got accustomed to movements, started using these implements in the farm, body now knew how to use them in a more appropriate way

ergonomics

rake or hoe, swing it out with arms, shoulders, and back, or put it out there and move hips back and forth, all power in your hips

spirals up through feet, hips, outward

utilizing that technique with farm tools

new relationship with tools and how to work with land and my body, all in same go

weeding, clearing debris, chopping things down, practicing kung fu

martial arts/life mastery

mastering far more of my body, tools, and tools that work with land

symbiosis, something that we can all benefit to apply in our lives, in any way shape or form

not everybody’s gonna go be a farmer

maybe you’re pushing a vacuum

you can cause strain or you can no cause strain to body, which then causes strain or not on the body, perpetuates through spirit

something that I’m still evolving into I feel like but its very empowering

self reliance

being able to provide for yourself, doesn’t just mean growing food, having land, also means self defense

never know where you’re gonna find yourself

bring those things into all of those life practices, another science that fills one of those holes in that permaculture raft we get pushed out into the water

brings it all back around, self feeding, self perpetuating

mentally physically and spiritually

TP:

brings us full circle

pleasant meanderings, through path of this convo, summary of most of our various contexts, working or grubbin on fruit, whatever it is, comings and goings, as we’ve been carving out this niche for ourselves

always reminds me of the movie that got me first enchanted with martial arts, van damme, blood sport

here we are, tactical permaculture moment going back to deepest roots of romance with nature and martial arts

ninjitsu master, frank dux, he was talking to parents, european parents of young frank dux, depicted to be wine farmers, vineyard, meeting of parents

train with japanese ninjitsu master

frank told me you grow vines, boys like vines need training, martial science brings mind, body, spirit together

we’re fulfilling that prophesy

we’re dudes,

point about military, I mentioned this not too long ago, in jest, valid point

hey america, if you would have given me a real war, or real cause to fight for, I would have served on the front lines, it’s been nothing but bullshit, you don’t get to have this body/mind

don’t give traumatic brain injury, lead poisoning, blow my limbs off, make me unable to sustain a relationship, cut my VA benefits for using cannabis

you don’t get any of that shit, not in this lifetime, maybe that could change, who knows what battles will need to be fought

the joke I made, we’re not we’re not less of bad asses that we didn’t get military training, we’re actually more, if we can be, without having the training of those instructors, and we can train our damn selves, read same manuals, same marksmanship, survival training, mindset of discipline, selection

break you down

I was my own drill segerant, life circumstances carved my ass from cookie dough to wood

health, wellness, survival, comes from putting skin in the game

better to have warrior in garden than gardener in war,

debilitating malformed meme of utopian pacifism

idea that we all need to be genderless, a mush of micro trauma egg shell walking, I’m a man, I embrace that, I don’t need impose, I embrace and love and support cherish diversity, space for everyone

phrase, vin armani brought to attention:

seed conversations of what I’d like to call and have been implementing

permaculture training experience for tactically minded, some of the best training, with hardcore lesbian women, guns and ammo, blades, bows and arrows plaster their walls instead of boy band posters, those are my best friends

ongoing thing that, I want to be the guy that the butch warrior lesbians like to play with on a full moon when they feel like, interesting romance, another story

have to cover my ass and say it’s not hyper masculine, toxic masculine militia

who wants to be securing the perimeter, that’s what we need first, can’t have whole tribe or family unless we can defend them

call to action, strong willed, strong minded, disciplined, people who want to be bangin sticks as they say in pekiti tirsia kali training, continual life long conditioning and training, being a warrior , really mean something for good cause

quote: michael hopf, those who remain,

hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times,

put that in your pipe and smoke it

enough from me

over and out, roger

thank you again

MM: honor brother, insightful, exciting having this conversation, whoever you are out there listening, hope you were able to glean something from it

summary, I feel like, initially I’d stated how going back to permaculture, can be applied to anything that you do, require taking a permaculture design course with instructor you’d like to learn from, and personality types are thing

I have studied a lot of things in my short time here, does always come back to the principles of permaculture

when I educate others on health, they don’t know it but they’re getting a quick permaculture design course for the body

utilizing all these principles around the landscape we call our bodies

a bunch of cells living together

body, gardening cells, out there gardening soil conditions to provide foods for our cells to utilize

its one of the most valuable trainings that I’ve ever had in my life,

people that also take these course, share similar sentiment

that’s about it

end this with as mc mycopath

end a lot of health lectures with a rap, haven’t done this one in a while, see how it goes

TP: gotta get that out in the drum circle, put some beats on that, hippie drum beats on that

more to come

this conversation is to be continued, next, while we’re still tying up lose ends, give audio tour of integrated systems and logic of design of systems, address

situational report, what we’ve got going what we need help with, if people have time or resources or expertise, what’s been established what’s being established, hearing a bit about what we’re processing, actual road map of what we’re doing, laid out the backstory

of what could be an epic opportunity for ourselves

all sliding scales of wealth, we’re providing

free offerings online, all kinds of content, you’ll be whippin up a podcast, holding the camera for each other to do a lot of the teaching we want to

following up with some a/v content

be comin at cha again soon

big love to you and to all the forces seen and unseen that made it possible to be at this point

Mainstreaming Tantra with Ix-Chel Sandivel TPP84

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Ix-Chel pic In this episode, I’m joined by fellow tantric cultural healing activist/artist/instructor Ix-Chel Sandivel. We explore her personal path of tantric healing and empowerment, her works of cultural healing activism, her unique intensive initiation for women, her recent music video release, and her future vision of touring the world as a tantric stage performer.

We compare notes on our journeys within and beyond the entertainment industry and discuss the potential of mainstreaming tantra through our creative works.

About Ix-Chel:

iX-CheL Sandivel is an intimacy artist & transformational coach. She is passionate about creating safe, expansive and exquisite experiences that allow the human spirit to evolve into new levels of ecstatic awareness, confidence and self love through her art, coaching and psychic intuitive readings. As a Source Tantra Yoga Associate & Certified Advanced Tantra Educator, she leads events for men & women based on Tantra with a contemporary twist. Tantra is a conscious ceremonial lifestyle full of yogic arts, mediations, rituals and techniques. This eastern philosophy allows human beings to increase their intuition, awareness, confidence and connect with their inner most innate truth, wisdom and personal cycles.

A very active child, running became the outlet for her to express her infinitely passionate will, determination, and focus. Nationally ranked in the 10,000 meters, and a former Nike elite sponsored runner, iX-CheL became her own healer to compete again at the elite level, after being injured for four years. To heal she had to gain a deep spiritual awareness of our connection with the emotional body/mind. Now with a profound intuitive understanding of her own feminine emotional body, iX-CheL has been exploring the sacred union between creative life-force energy, conscious rituals, personal and universal cycles, which is spirituality at its depth.

After a traumatic experience in her early twenties iX-CheL learned that having a healthy relationship to her life-force energy based on holistic integrity is one of the most powerful, beautiful and transformational gifts human beings have. Since then she has been studying with the most highly sought after internationals teachers, modern Tantra leaders and pioneers.

She’s most known for her “Sensual Surrender Play Shop for Women” where women learn to embrace their creative life force energy, get in touch with their bold Yes’ and No’s, to create safe and powerful boundaries and to play a dominant role, at the “Dakini Domme Knight Masquerade.” A catalyst, facilitator and leader of deep transformational revelations, iX-Chel is inspiring creative purpose, juicy intimacy and orgasmic empowerment!

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin I were going to learn all about her has to being a leader in the tundra world and she just released amazing music video that you definitely got to check out so yeah please Michelle if you will tell us about your your path to Tantra and what you what you been up to sure thank you so much yeah I think for me personally I believe that there are some people who are just naturally carry that’s on frequent occasions on whether it’s like if you believe in past lives or not but for me how I ReDiscover that connection was I had to go was from doing some deep Shilling in my early twenties it was I am I was healing from a breakup and an abortion that I didn’t really want to have at the time and so a I went into this like depression and trying to see you and understand this traumatic event that I obviously created that I obviously was calling in for deeper and deeper real realization surrounds love sex and relationships and So eventually in order to heal those wounds around basically Shane Gill and just growing up as a Mexican Catholic of the environment to openly talk about intimate and emotional things in my upbringing so to even talk about things like Siri latex safe protection using a condom goes a long ways like as naive and ignorant and that’s as that may sound that led me to really hate having to embrace all aspects of my sexuality communication education and across the board and so it had I came across Entre as a way to embrace my own divine feminine energy my sexuality my creativity all of that which gives myself full permission to be true to my pleasure to be true to my body and also to create boundaries around how to protect my heart and soul at the same time so and hearing that part of me I came across some very well-known teacher and educator Mansfield and I was like my body was like dormant forever it just I can’t even look at a man in the eyes for like for a really long time but it wasn’t until I’m at this individual that I felt like something in me from my general just likes park and shoot right into my body like something had reawaken rewired and I feel that a part of me was awakened and so because the strong the connection feeling was so strong in my body I had to I had to figure out what it was and why and how. Just let me into a whole Rabbit Hole of like discovering things about and shortly after that taking a few years of teacher training learning from Charles Muir you know I really adopted it as a a lifestyle and so it’s become me but more than anything is to come meet more than anything I feel like contract has given me permission to really allow myself to be more true to who I am to be true to my pleasure to be true to my body and in my music video called comfort me so with indirect translation means with permission and then every day Latin America it means like you no excuse me like pardon me in a respectful way I’m like using visual and audio vibration sound waves to transmit this deep tantric you know connect and that I have Within Myself to spread it out to other people who may not be able to come to a one-on-one session or one of my antique workshops Place shops on so I came to Tantra for a place of healing some deep wounds and it has just been this unfolding process of reconnecting two parts of me that have been dormant and Reawakening yeah you want to talk more about the kinds of programs you offer what people can can hope to experience in your the containers that you create right now I’m I my most popular like Play Shop is called Central surrender and it’s a weekend intensive Central surrender Place shop at the weekend intensive and put on Ali is focused for women there is a part of the weekend where I invite my hand selected nice to attend and I got you these women into learning Forsyth Sheriff I just learning some communication tool simple communication tools to learn how to create container so that the women can dive too deep into their sexuality and feel safe and protected at the same time and then after the end of that day we do what I called the ducky nizam night masquerade fusion and you know for those of us who know what a Puja is and for those who I mean for those who don’t know what a Puja is it you know it’s devotional group Rachel and I have been to a few pizzas and some of them have been really amazing super cheap super traditional and awesome have been a little too like the new age like just like not really My My by my style and also felt that like I just didn’t feel comfortable sharing intimate Sexual Energy with just the guy who decided to show up to this light Puig i n Out to this like Workshop so I created a really close container and which I invite my hands like the nice either people who are either my call my friends are former clients or current clients that I work with so that it creates an environment for the women to feel even more safe and the Knights have very specific instructions to show up wearing and play through their Sunday’s fast or something they were wearing a wedding so they create this like full-on celebration ritual in which they come to surrender to the divine feminine The High Priestess I’m guiding this whole experience and it’s really about the women the women stepping up stepping into her what I call her spiritual. Matrix Neo her High Priestess self where she is asking for what she wants what she needs the words the words that she wants to hear from her night and obviously the night always has a safe word he doesn’t have to participate in the activities with the women gets you really stepped into that Salman aspect of themselves giving them an opportunity to find their sent her at the end of the intensive or the end of the toys are at least two really know what it feels like to be super dominant cuz they probably already have tons of years of suppressing their sexuality severe able to find that kind of sent her that feels really really good and so then the following day we were thinking person that experience and we participate in a Yoni massage and it’s it’s really powerful to be able to receive from the women because normally I mean at least in my chains I have I’ve learned to receive from like men or Partners or showed up to the game and they’ve always been for men and so to be able to step into the part of themselves as a Sisterhood Community is really likes special ed so ancient it’s so natural and so profound in like just feels like Quantum Leap things get shifted and so it’s really it’s really cheap really intensive it’s it’s very experiential and so that’s kind of been my signature weekend intensive and I so far have one scheduled for Boston and middle of July on thinking about also doing another one in Reno and the middle of August so these are events that are happening later in the year in the u.s. I’m considering doing like a smaller with tree down here in Mexico but I’m not quite sure yet if I ready for that myself so as of now I am I provide or a red intensive and a weekend intensive It’s All About Women surrendering into her feminine Central Priestess dominatrix archetype in the video there is sort of how much would you say in that video is safe directly derived from that that ritual I would say the majority of it some of the models in the video we’re actually a former participants and so it we were able to really like share that life happened to that ritualistic part of the transformational experience that they personally had on like transmit it back to town so I mean it to be a music video so you know you can only like you no feeling experience I got a glimpse of of a woman seeking a dear sister for guidance and support and at the end of the day like women are here to support each other into their new sexual Awakening in many ways is there so much taboo around that as well, there’s so much competition and jealousy between women as it is and so when we were able to create a safe environment for them to drop in it’s just like who we are and what we yearn for and and so huge part of the music video had a lot to do with with that cuz the song and it self was a baby with a big surrendering process for me the song was recorded two days after I led my first like out-of-state Central surrender play shop in Phoenix Arizona and I ended up recording the song like two days after the event I had no idea I was recording a song with a multi-platinum producer I just I started taking singing lessons as a way to heal myself from a car accident that I got in that like basically couldn’t move for 2 and 1/2 weeks and movement has always been my form of stability and inspiration and someone that was no longer available I had to open myself to other forms of moving energy and singing just was one of those things that just came to me out of nowhere and so the songs really about allowing surrendering and I feel Tantra is about that is a big part of receiving feeling being present and less about trying to make happen and doing it and it’s about what is here and now what are you and I think staying connected to that incident orgasmic Source that’s the doing we need to do you know is staying kind of thing present yeah it’s awesome I’m so yeah so stoked about everything you’re doing and there’s so many parallels I feel and I guess you know what other people you could say shock to Tantra which is the the lineage that’s really focused on Davie worships Davie Sedona and the the practice really cultivating men to be not just symbolically devoting to the goddess would actually be coming and inviting the goddess so much that I was just having this conversation later today it’s kind of like the end goal of that tradition would be so that when a woman is having sex with a man she’s having sex with a woman that has a penis in a way you don’t have that salmon and development balance and be able to run you know both the energies and mixed them but this this practice that you’re developing is is really interesting to me because I feel like there does need to be more space created Sacred Space created for for females to weather whatever their sexual orientation is to really create a non non competitive and safe container to help each other explore their bodies and then to have higher standards before they even start to interact with men sexually so that they know what they’re missing and I can’t be fooled because men are really like playing women and it’s really sad is that that what do you think about that that sort of feminist kind of shocked to Tantra approach to dealing with you know that disappointment so you believe that having a sacred safe space for women to dive deep into their sexuality is giving them empowerment security to be able to then show up fully and with with men is one part right basically giving up for that development to happen and then there’s thick a there’s an effect from that right which is that men’s bullshit is kind of put out of business if Women are Smarter and more empowered than what they’re used to settling for and so if you if you Vibe with that and it could talk about maybe some of the Transformations you seen or people just I’m sure just right before your eyes are like wow I didn’t know that my body could do these things and I’ve never been brought to this place by a man who wasn’t trained in excetera excetera well the the energy that comes out of the the women experiencing the Yoni ritual as a group around the altar all at the same time is so profound it’s so deep I’m looking that I’m finding so fascinating is how natural it is like obviously yes I’m keeping track of time I’m guiding them to do specific techniques and things like that but like really like it is just this once they have that green light it’s there is like it it’s the most natural it’s the most natural thing you’ve ever seen and so when they have that save space it it’s only Empower them cuz that’s an experience now in their body of what it feels like to be honored as a goddess because her their sister there wants to learn how to be the giver of of love the beat the conscious Giver of the conscious conscious Giver of touch and penetration whether that’s you know through touch or you know energetic and so they’re learning how to hold space give and receive and so therefore they’re able to then create that experience with with whoever pot with with any partner whether it’s another matter with another woman or a man so he feels that so many times it’s just like normal to go you know once you’re being sexually active to go straight into like having experiences with the opposite sex you know okay maybe you you discovered that you like you’re attracted to the opposite sex more see immediately jump into these experience and you know I feel that it’s just essential in the development of sexual healing and evolution to be have a new time to for women to come together and I also think it’s important for me to know it’s important for them to really be okay with their own femininity with their own sensuality I know this is kind of like weird but I don’t care but like what turns me on the most at is actually when I see men become like and then become sensual like I think it’s so precious cuz it’s so rare and it’s also like it activates a part of me that’s like a deep deep deep learning / hell yes it’s like yes this is what the world means a man needs to be stopped to understand softness to Experian softness and so when women have their safe space to be in there wild feminine nature without having to worry about how do I look good in front of this guy that I’m really attracted to or like you know can I hold his leg performance issues you know what I mean like it can get so like up in the head around the exchange and if Brothers can have a safe space to it doesn’t mean anything about your your sexual preferences but if they had just a sacred spaces to explore those aspects of themselves they may show up as more conscious and more gentle and present lovers as well for women and I said that they’ll just holding would love that I’ve just been called gravitated right now till it’s funny that you ask me because this year is like I’m feeling like I want to at least explore the conversation of providing things for my because I just have a way of understanding just a way of like I think holding space for them to know that I’m like really curious about what you just said what would drinking on yam and give yourself the opportunity to let them melt into your hands because I did a kind of experiment not too long ago just being like hey I’m going to do a sacred circle jerk for anybody can come up can come and learn how to injaculate into transmute orgasmic energy up the chakras and it was like a alive yoga studio demonstration hands on everyone’s welcome to you know Explorer and and it was beautiful kiss for the first time it was the first time for a lot of men to be naked with other men and for them to feel themselves and it’s just it’s so sad to feel like you know where there’s Olive is celebration of the top half of our bodies and what we do with our faces and what we stuffing our faces in our mouths but you know there’s said there’s and such little gourmet culture around the erotic arts in in the you know I never pressed world that we’re in so these is a really powerful yeah I agree like experiences for people to taxes and I totally agree that it’s so natural once the energy just starts flowing and everyone is in trained with it it’s the most beautiful natural healing force of nature that you just really it’s it’s it’s a it makes you into a warrior to want to tear down everything that’s gotten in the way of that. So do you feel like you are called to to take on some of that let’s say to be a voice of Tantra in espanol to the Latin American World which is has you know what maybe a even more I guess the Catholic conditioning is is is more tightly regimented I’d say within the Latin American Community relative to like you know him new-age hippies in Santa Monica or just doing whatever in you know using condoms like you just brought that up I mean most people take that for granted so I’m curious to know what what your mission is with that form of cultural integration I definitely feel very very very called to do that’s one of the reasons why I decided to move to Mexico a few months ago is to inquire and explore how to share this work with people from my life my similar bringing because it was life changing when I discovered hot grub and it’s been such a god one of the most like hard opening experience has to be a nurse in community that supports celebrates and respect Sexual Energy and so I want to see that in the world and I do feel call to share that with the Latin American Community I’m totally up for it I totally would love to do whatever I need to do to do that I’m just kind of finding in my boys actually like where do I start and I have like a few clients that I see here we do one-on-one sessions I got them on like a three-month Journey just like working on their percentage is their personal challenges and things they want to manifest and how they can use Sexual Energy to move through those goals I’m so it’s it’s a personal coaching / tan tribe and so I’m I haven’t figured out quite yet how to share this what’s the Latin American Community I would love to it was one of my intentions with the music video was too kind of like cheese the Latin American community that way but you know I I don’t necessarily have like a crazy leg support to get a pretty erotic music video out there so I’m just kind of like just patiently waiting to see how it unfolds like my intention is there and I’m just I’m just staying open to how to do it yeah I hear that will you have you were you want to talk a little bit about your the name Michelle and the Goddess that that represented the name represents and is there a way that you sort of the alchemize traditional indigenous maybe shamanic Priestess practices with your you know it sounds like mostly Hindu based tantric Define implications in what not if that’ll make sense Michelle is a midwife to the goddess of the moon and sexuality and she’s also a midwife Doula and I see her I was also just like this medicine to this a Medicine Woman Shaman what I find interesting is that I had a dear friend here that he told me that they had found the Mayans said it was he fell and the Greeks said it was Aphrodite so you know so I again I don’t have any back of research but what I got out of that was like it’s it’s a goddess I love goddess and I love goddess is a Medicine Woman you know I’m depending on whatever tradition she is like whatever communities you the part of an addition to the part of she has to behave or dress to the standards of that community and so I just I feel that for me and I know that I am here as a combination of a Medicine Woman and I love God I believe love is Madison and East Shaw is a moon goddess of sexuality she’s a doula and midwife and Medicine Woman and Tantra focus is a law on gloves and moving Sexual Energy true love devotion and respect all these are opening qualities and so me I see love as medicine sure there’s also other herbal medicines and plant medicines that are really potent aphrodisiac to the heart as well and the heart and mind but I see love is not a sin and I think that’s Entre is a beautiful vehicle for to expand love to expand on this empowerment in general and I don’t know if that answers your question love you out back to the desert the I kind of feel like there’s a sort of James Bond double O7 Mission with a lot of people who are attempting to adapt the tantric philosophy to the technology you know there is a very sort of electrical engineering quality to some of the practices that really don’t need Sanskrit to transmit I mean if you if I mean there’s so much to be said for having a d practice that involves the traditional mantras and yantras and let’s but even without access to all that I feel like a lot of it’s already been really it’s it’s it’s just very hard to access almost there anybody in and even in India it’s not what it was at the Heyde in you know like a thousand years ago so now what we’re left with is the the vestiges of that Richard deeper tradition and how we are able to incorporate the mythologies of indigenous cultures for trying to like break free from the post-colonial or deep decolonize your sexuality with a sort of cross cultural adaptation of Tantra that’s what you seem like you’re at one of those one of those aged secret agent Uno stacking language and hacking culture to try to give people the power back so yeah sexuality is everything it’s an end in the sense that when we’re able to claim that power for ourselves and realize that we all that energy that no church owns it no society and culture and we can start creating a new world that’s based on respect is based on evolution expansive is every everything’s pleasurable because it’s coming from that that space and so I feel like returning back the gift of your Birthright is a huge step in just creating a new a new world and I have a friend who’s been taking people on deep indigenous shamanic journeys with different indigenous shamans and leaders here in Mexico strictly indigenous like nothing to our new age it’s purely indigenous rituals and an indigenous experiences and you know I had talked to him a little bit about like so there’s got to be some kind of like something tantric something sexual around these indigenous groups of people don’t like the right and so he’s been working with them for like 20 30 years and he looks at me and he’s like I’ve been with these people for 20-30 years and that’s one area that they aren’t willing to share with me and he just looks at me he’s like oh yeah for sure like the most the most powerful leaders of the indigenous communities they actually easily have like five women as like they’re that they’re that bad they have nontraditional sexual partnership relationships meaning like they’re fully aware of the importance of sexual energy they just keep it to their own little world their own indigenous culture because they just don’t want more of their power taken away and so not everyone in their indigenous world can have five wives you have to have an inability to show that you can provide for all of those five women and treat them as Queens not just these domestic women that you know grow corn for you but like that they can they that they’re shocked the energy that they’re giving back to these King is going back to help the community and the evolution of the indigenous group so Mario’s been a part of a bunch of shamanic experiences with these different groups of DeGeneres people and there that their sexual rituals is not something that he’s invited or know or knows lessons other than just what he’s observed and what he’s been told he’s not allowed to participate in her know about so in some condition is communities in Mexico that are still like that are still pure they have their own contract Priestess pre-initiation practices going on still it’s more the modern Mexican the more modern Latin Americans that has been you know coloniso to speaker that has been cut off from that part this parts of themselves so yeah I do you like call to bridge the gap and that it’s just it’s just interesting how to like approach it’s at such a delicate dance of how to approach it so Intimates it’s a fine thing to bring up you know if you could imagine that it’s it’s in the in the the liberal kind of enclaves of the US it’s easy to forget how violent the repression was to get you know these colonies established and you know it would be so i d like to be able to have tantric temples celebrating all these things but it’s like the witch the Witch Trials have intended if they’ve just change forms and it’s not like you can really get away with what you’re doing you know something it’s it’s a huge it’s kind of a I can see the to be a sexual subversive with art and music is probably a lot more sustainable than building tantric missions and initiating people in psychedelic sexual you know rights but I’m thrilled to know is I’ve got chills you know this is exactly the kind of like anthropological on the ground kind of work that I feel we’re all it’s a duty to to revive this whatever name is what it’s it’s all it’s all culturally kind of stylized but it’s all primordial Shakti energy that’s being either repressed stories are expressed in celebrated or denied and you know wherever you go in the world you can kind of feel into what’s out of balance and sort of find The Leverage points and kind of open up those those channels so you’re deaf I’m yeah I’m thrilled to know that you’re you’re really digging into all this stuff and that that that makes me want to ask you about your role in the mainstream media I saw your demo reel it looks like you’re doing music videos with Snoop Dogg and you have done some action films and you know it could be that you kind of rice or a rising to a point of influence where you can break some taboos and play with it and and really launch memes for on a mass scale at Betts you for asking that would be awesome yeah you know I I thinking I graduated from college in 2008 and do you know I did I was totally like a loyal student to the system the American system going to school you know being in the honors class and like just doing all that I want to go to college there was a market crash there was like no entry level positions for anyting for the for marketing to write and so I was just on Craigslist like any other day you know looking for a marketing entry level position I would guess I’m I should start by saying that I’m going to share with you how I got started in the entertainment industry and how I feel called to be a voice on whatever level of mainstream level for ra Tantra for sexual healing more Beyond Sexual Healing I don’t even want to call it Sexual Healing I think it’s there’s a I don’t feel like that’s really what I’m about more like sexual Integrity sexual transparency as more what resonates with me but yeah whatever mainstream level I definitely feel like I’m a voice for that and I never imagined that I would be in a music video with Snoop Dogg I never imagined that my first audition ever I don’t even know auditions existed for TV shows like I was totally oblivious totally shut completely not aware but my first audition ever led me to a reality show on MTV which my partner and I at the like this The Stranger who I met on the show we won $50,000 and we split $25,000 which then led me on a path of life well fuck who cares about the market crash I don’t have to like what I have to work and that’s when I went to started to go to Burning Man and to explore all these alternative communities creative alternity communities and so just because one day in the middle of the summer I had moved back home with my parents I was looking for marketing entry-level position on Craigslist and something told me to look down instead of clicking the marketing PR PR whatever section that I was cooking every day for the last ever look down and when I look down it was as if like my entire like gays when you and then it just stopped TV film I would like TV film how is like I didn’t even know that existed like I was totally like you know like like there’s jobs for that like oh well I guess I live in hot like I guess I live in LA and Hollywood is is near Whittier California where I grew up which is like you know it’s a city between a suburb between LA and Orange County I was like blanket Hollywood’s think you know like people come to Hollywood well whatever I clicked it and the first thing that came up was like MTV reality show Justin Timberlake $50,000 competition show I was like I was like some cool so I clicked it and it’s like are you competitive do you have what it takes to win $50,000 on a competitive adventurous reality show if so send us a photo and a reason why I was like well I mean I guess I’m sending resumes all day long at hearing back from anyone I might as well spend a photo on a paragraph why I think I’m great for the show it took me the less amount of time the last amount of effort to send photos I had like no like modeling experience at the time and I just wrote a silly paragraph I’ve been like I’ve been a competitive Co nationally-ranked long distance Runner and I’m competitive because I love pushing myself and blah blah blah and I think I’d be great for the show I didn’t think much of it and over the course of nine months like seven auditions later I got picked for the show and that show changed my life it’s set me on a semi a little free and it sent me to explore using other talents that I didn’t work for necessarily just buy it just who I was being like as a kind of actress I guess whatever reality show star and so after I had a little bit more experience with camera I haven’t were having a moment with like there is something power about powerful about this vehicle yeah that that’s the real Priestess and priest shamans God men and and God is within her are being made every day on the you know Instagram celebrities assist really interesting territory where it we’re getting into now I feel that yeah this the the modern Temple where the theatrics of what used to be the shamans and Shawn Mendes’s in the the the the power to transform really most concentrated in the hands of the rock pop music TV pornstars you know the the the power to shape human sexual behavior and attitudes and ecological values and political you know ideologies it’s not that it’s not the CEOs and the politicians who have the power to shape the youth and the end of the voting of the youth and the the you know the style the clothing the fashion all these things are in the hands of pretty I would say mostly very well I don’t want to you know put anybody down but I’ll say that there is there’s lots of room for Consciousness evolution in the mainstream media and there’s lots of relative to the underground where you know in a lot of places like underground hip hop maybe more insightful with with political Consciousness and underground you know Burning Man or RAV4 trance culture may have more deeper you know wisdom and in an ecological awareness and integrity so that’s kind of what the mainstream is known for his dumbing things down to a level that makes everything into a Mick Mick entertainment there’s a few people out there there’s there’s always been you know operatives in Agents from the radical movements and the social justice department has all those movements kind of finding ways to hack and bring whether you want to call it a deeper truth or more whatever it is that they’re people to ring through I feel like when I saw your demo reel and I saw what you’re offering a Mike wow I mean I saw a meme of Snoop Dogg with his hands in prayer position sit and it said namastizzle that’s hilarious yeah yeah we just having said all that you know how do you feel about that that Duty responsibility opportunity magical Alchemy of bringing your level of training to the highest level of culture yeah I mean so for the most part of my initiation into the entertainment industry meaning you know the mainstream Bar Hollywood world has been also a deep guided and surrender experience for me I never really wanted to be on the show I never really wanted to be on all these things I just never really imagined myself as it I thought it’d be cool to like do a music video but I just like never really put his position myself as a as a featured artist like I’d just I was a completely cut off from that reality so to answer your question is like I also wasn’t aware that my first modeling gig was going to be with Nike you know what I mean ever so you know I am blessed and at the same time I’ve had to pull away from that world because I just wasn’t about some of those I wasn’t about that world anymore so for me I feel like I’m trying to find my truce and what it means to be like a a mainstream icon and because the sexual integrity and speaking and being a voice for that to me that is so natural it’s it’s I’m so deeply connected to to that like like like I studied at my whole life like it seems like it’s been just lifetimes and lifetimes of mastering that what I’m here to to master I feel in this lifetime is like how to actually leave it to to share it in a way that makes an impact for is is digestible cuz that’s the so I’m hoping. I’m open to the cause for sure why you know I’m here fully present I you know I just I’m here so I’m it sounds like you can if you weren’t striving for and sort of clawing your way to the top or starving your way you know it as a starving artist trying to make it you don’t have your big break in Hollywood but it just sort of fell in your lap or less than you probably have some some spiritual conditioning that you can be trusted with some of this power and yeah I’m definitely excited I think you could be on a Wheaties box or something if you could you know while I mean you see what you come up with yeah I don’t really I actually sometimes like a triple because it’s like how is at like possible that all of these things have fallen into my lap but and and at the same time I’m left with like will how do like I’m still left with a little unclear on how still choose to share the work so I don’t know how it’s going to unfold I’m just in it you know but I do find it quite interesting that my first audition ever was on MTV 120 $5,000 my first modeling client was with Nike my first music song I recorded was with a multi-platinum producer my first music video was with a Sundance winning filmmaker who created the trailer for my favorite movie of all time Avatar it’s like all these magical creative hands have some like or like you know National brand icons have like some have been part of my journey but like I still don’t feel like I’ve quite made it you know and I don’t know if I’m supposed to make it I’m just in this deep unknown right now things can Ray radically shift you know in any moment or at the same time it’s just like those were just credible experiences that my soul was here to experience and that’s all it was so it’s like it can go either way I’m in a deep place of unknown and surrender and Trust which is my word for 2017 is a stressed I think you’re a have a great approach to it because if you get too obsessed with the destination you don’t enjoy the journey and if you’re yeah I can be you can be debilitating to you know some people call it pronoia your ear so obsessed with your bright future that you just a dreamer at this point so I’m trying to ruin about the psychology of a pathological General well it’s you know I the sort of hands that have shaped my destiny I don’t think they would be as well some of them you know I was on the Joan Rivers reality TV show doing a survival in permaculture backyard makeover and that’s my little claim to fame for my Landscaping businesses that I work on it my moment so if you know being on the stages in in punk rock and metal bands in Hollywood where you where you’re opening for the bands that are at the top of the industry of the genre and you know feeling very it’s just blue balls for us for a certain level of being established and just knowing that it’s your surrounded by and also seeing how you know how just say it’s it’s it’s a different form of frustration when you when you feel like with with with some with so much power that you see people squandering it took to have a positive influence and if you could just have one drop you could just transfer I mean I could get all the trees that were cut down the last 500 years planted overnight if I could be as popular as any of these icons that I’m opening for you know what I mean so it’s just raining. But I also know that you know it takes time and Austin people who have to ripen more and mature more and get you know it like they say it takes a long time to be an overnight success and you know I’m going to be grateful if I have you know a slice of that pie at some point in this body in this life I’m going to be grateful that it did it did it came later rather than sooner cuz it would have just me know I wouldn’t have been ready here I would have valued the things that you value now and you know now respect now swag. I’ve been like I’ve been an entrepreneur since I was 12 years old selling candy at the girls PE locker room I think like ready for my overnight success know well that’s awesome if you have a marketing background to me and you you know you’re able to to see and understand and really not be well yeah you have a sophisticated perception of what’s Happening as he has all these opportunities develop so I got to say I am really I’ve talked to a lot of people about you know what their Tantra craft is and what their mission is and how they’re sort of what’s in their cauldron and what they’re trying to manifest and I really appreciate you know where you’re this orientation that you have to apply Liberation technology to the masses of the Latin American community and also with your already to me it’s already iconic status if you have all these things have me feel you could just knock down any door that you wanted to and get everybody getting freaky with the surrender Play Shut Up and really affect some change yeah this is exciting so it’s definitely the kind of phones deep-cover work that is so exciting and yeah so what is and what do you feel like is his next or what are you yeah what’s your your next steps with your meteoric rise what’s my what your meteoric rise to power you know I’m finding myself being creatively hungover from from doing the music video I was pregnant for two and a half years holding space for this Vision to come through so I just released it not even a month ago and I’m still kind of like decompressing from that and the only thing I have right now currently planned is essential surrender Play Shop weekend intensive in Boston in the middle of July and possibly another weekend intensive in Reno Nevada like the weekend before Burning Man in like middle of August that’s all I have planned totally wish I could tell you I got more things lined up and this and this and that but like I’m just not so I don’t have anything other than that I mean this what is the paraphrasing but basically when she started hitting the fan you know you have to meditate three times as much not if you if you get really busy you got to meditate more to know how to process you whatever you’re up against weather is opportunity or you know or you know Revolution and repression it’s it’s it’s definitely good that you know to have that space and not be too crammed in just be slammed with one thing after the next so now we’ve kind of arrived at what was my hope for the you know what would be the title of the show would should be hit mainstream encontra and you yeah you’re you’re definitely in a position to to talk about I mean it seems like they are you good with Tikka want another few minutes. I’m very open I can almost talk about anything freely like I’m like I had a girlfriend say will be very clear about the things you do want to talk about things that you don’t want to talk about actually I’m pretty much open but I can talk about anything from my life to my opinions about things I mean across-the-board it’s like it’s good and like I am like healing from a recent primary relationship transition so for me this is like awesome I can get too focused on sharing myself you know to others and that last being in the the sadness around that that break up for a transition we’ve really arrived to where was the sort of summit of the conversation that I was hoping for where we would get a really good sense of how really qualified you are to be sort of in a position of power and influence through mass media and entertainment media and in so your ass I see that you have you have sort of your at this kind of very interesting juncture where you have in a non was sayin on Tantra contacts you’ve had all of these successes and sort of you’ve been put on the map of the mainstream entertainment industry in a way that you have credentials you know networks in it we with within that Network your well-known just for your athleticism for your acting abilities for you’re probably to some dancing to if you did the music video with Snoop Dogg you probably at the shake it and all that stuff so you’re as pretty much well-rounded of a of a of a talent you know in the in that world yet it wasn’t you going in strategically and redesigning the industry in a way that was to sort of propagate tantric memes and whatever whatever sort of sign adapted form would fit the the opportunity you know you know you haven’t really produced this music video will be your first media production that was your like full-on this is my Tantra and I want my fans from all of my legacy of my entertainment work in my you know I profile work to then-no me in this way and want to emulate the way that you want to emulate any other person on TV or any any other person who is considered a star you’re going to be emulating tantric practice because that’s what you’re presenting now in your own media so this is very interesting you know starting point for your for your own kind of media brand work is if it is that in my in my right about that this really was like the thing you were crafting is your kind of inaugural tantric media project coming from a place of responsibility I like sure it was like a knot in the inaugural whatever but it really was like me having to consciously do something about what I was done seeing in the mass media and mainstream media women being objectified I just like and I have nothing against men Isle of Man but like constantly being objectified so it’s not like men were in that power or Baba blah so I wanted to see a vision where the women were in her power for themselves not even for the opposite sex bus 3 Chilean Peso for each other and so for me it was just like instead of like you know like being the change I wish to see I was you know I complain about it either or be someone else to just like completely rebelled against the mainstream and just went straight to their alternative world I wanted a bridge that you know bring the alternative to the mainstream bring bring it like and I feel that as a artist you’re responsible for for allowing and channeling and allowing that creativity to flow through you and so it was a cat mainly came from a deep desire to to see something new to experience something you and to be able to leave a guest bath to the Denton the generations to come like you can either see a video over here where you’re getting rappers taught like throwing champagne or you can be initiated into a world of deep power and security for yourself or a better world a world that is a store has versus like someone else’s agenda propaganda of conditioned and drama more drama between men and women it’s like so you share what’s true to you and your Evolution and I just felt like I reach this point in my career where I’ve been initiated in different ways to become that person you know I I I just so I felt again not everyone can come to my Boutique experiences but they can play a YouTube video and get an idea yeah that’s so that is exactly where I want to go next with this it which is is that lets let’s kind of do something if you’re willing a little bit a little bit out of the box in experimental which is that lets what’s I would say you know there are other forces who are who are present for this conversation I would say Your Spirit guides my Spirit guides is a deities that we have been honoring and our practices just you and me and are in our work in the world that has been in alignment with the Earth is in which cultural human Liberation all these good things and there is I will believe that the designers and creators the masculine and feminine energies that came into Union to produce this beautiful turn planet that we live on there because of the the negative forces that are really destroying the planet a very rapidly there’s there’s a sort of I believe there’s a desire by the by the benevolent forces you know in all Dimensions to sort of vet on some of the the people who are who are kind of conditioning themselves to be in more powerful positions to kind of in like a sort of like more like a soft martial art kind of way you know change these patterns and in disrupt the the curses and break the Spells and bring in this positive love light energy through sexual empowerment Liberation in that if if we acknowledge that we are being empowered and sort of their pulling strings for us there making things happened on the set but that we don’t even know about you know synchronicities and all these things so you know I’ve conditioned myself I’ve had enough mind-blowing synchronicities to know that there is you know the only limit is your own self-doubt and your own nervousness about stepping up to a more empowered position in and so with all that said you know what I like to ask you for his is the sort of a intentional space to imagine that let’s say that you really this is your big break and that this Snowball Effect occurs with just that video and your existing establish Network and just the that you can get it that that a marketing you know nuts and bolts marketing campaign results in your video becoming a viral video and that then launching you to a place where you are now touring the world like most very successful artist which is almost every day of the year was the tireless World touring schedules and you’re actually able to sculpt and design in thousands oceans of people at is massive festivals and you’re able to give them a total embodied Fuji experience through a directed ritualised application where it’s not just okay there’s a yoga class and then there is alive act it’s the live Act is the yoga class and you are having the opportunity to literally say OK everybody who’s male identified shiva’s you go on this side of the auditorium and everyone who is shocked identify if you go on the site and we’re going to make a big spiral and we’re going to synchronize with so that’s my Ultimate Fantasy is that tantric rockstars will reshape the World by creating a live Pooja experience on a mass scale and I want to know if ever imagine what you would do are you salivating for that opportunity to you you’re saying if I make a video when people get to see at least I get to see a video but what if they get to step into that reality that you created for them as you were live touring acts like Madonna or pink or anybody else you know to be able to do that every day except for the three days before my moon cycle before my Movement 3 days after my break so easily I could be as my as long as I can surf in the morning or in the evening and like you know just eat healthy food along the way totally give us a few days to healthy food and a surfboard and make it so number one let’s see this happen cuz I trust you a power and it seems like it’s hot it initially equation of a Quantum leaps you know it’s an in-body to experience it’s a full-on cellular activation and I would love that and it’s so funny that you’re asking me because I had to someone else, he’s like I want to manage you I want to go on a tour and can be part of the performance I’m like sure like the thing about me is like at least lately I’ve been less about wanting to make it happen or wanting to put all of that masculine energy to do it because I really want to be true to my house in my body as a woman and I feel like I’m in my college athletic years I have completed my emotional feminine body because I had to use that was so into doing and athleticism and running errands and going to work and going to school that like I feel that I’m in a place where I’ll show up and run I want to show up I don’t believe in that tour schedule either it’s kind of you know it’s it’s it’s not sustainable for a lot of people but let’s see if it’s more the idea that if you were if you were you know instantly had that much than you would say you know what hey let’s do this several times a year let’s do this on every continent you know a few in a couple times a year or whatever if your self a break and then make account and I run so much energy in a day sometimes I’m like what the hell I did all of that in the day that like I feel like if I could share that on a mat I like having a bigger scale like that much more people will be affected you know so I feel that I was born to do a world tour like I I kind of I was the kind of training I did as an athlete like waking up every day at 6 in the morning to train for 2 and 1/2 hours and go straight to school then after school waitress for a few hours and then go back home do homework go to bed at like 1 in the morning and wake up against her and another eight miles again and do it all over all year round yeah like it was full on Jedi training and so like now I am still that acted but it’s more a comes from more of a feminine being what do I need to do to care for myself now okay I need to go to I need to go surfing okay now I need to do a practice oh wow that was 70 minutes but it’s felt like 10 minutes you know so I’m still that physically active and undisciplined it’s just in his steps in a different way so for me at or is not even like that like that shocking to me it almost feels like that’s what I live on a day-to-day cuz like most of the places I’ve lived in the last three years have been isolated places like I live off a cliff where I see the have an ocean view and I am I spending where I live like on a day-to-day I constantly have to like pack for like all these little things that I personally need to feel great when I leave my temple so Tumi travel should I hold her thing like it would be like so much fun it would be a blessing so I’m all about it putting out to the universe that yeah well that’s yes so you know maybe what we can It’s cool cuz we haven’t we have a similar vision of what what could be done what’s not being done and how it could a lot of fun you know for a lot of people in that and so now I I think it would be a good sort of closure closure piece to just visioneer if if if you could have all of these things that are the nuts and bolts mechanics you know of of putting together that the the dream world touring production you know if you were to design it as a like a production designer let’s say you were to design that what needs to happen again without you having to to claw for it but what what needs to just flow into your reality and and just seamlessly dovetail together in order for that to come together like do you have a do you need to assemble the band do you have an inch a full set like a live set that’s at least you know good well at that level you be having to do more than just an hour but you know those are things that if you Statham especially to contacts like this where everyone who listens to this is going to be like a bit torrent energizing it in an in hyping it to know I’m praying for it so it kind of leveraging that that affect you know what do you see is the barriers or that they had things obstacles need to be removed people places things opportunities resources that need to be installed and then you know so that you can get the show on the road yeah that off the top of your head just put some of that out there so it’s clear yeah thank you so much for that question I think what I’m imagining is I swear people to experience a ritual through sound visualization and aphrodisiac medicine whether that’s food or news from kind of like herbal tonics are tinctures are elixirs of some sort but it for it to be a ceremonial Gathering and person or people took manifest their own personal desires as they come into this experience it’s a it’s a community ritual to community Gathering and Activation so I’m imagining it that weather is my music someone else’s music but it’s it has that vibration of full chakra opening where you can feel that orgasm erotic like in my body permission to be in your body everything around that Ambience is that colors that that a Fabrics like a it’s a guided experience it’s a form of meditation that is beyond the sitting in your Lotus position and it’s it’s it’s how your skin cells breed and so I’m seeing it just like this intentional Gathering I’m not sure it can be it can be I can be I don’t like going between like I can be effective aleichem it just a walk it’s like almost like a mini circus like traveling circus tour like you come to the temple you get your healing your activation and then it’s either going to travel to the next destination but you come in for a deep healing and I would love to see like-minded like-minded people come together I love to for both men and women to feel safe to feel what is being evoked through these performances these performances AR Essentia central air contractor ritualistic there Priestess their bowls there yeah I don’t know if I’m being but it’s just it’s just it’s just a experience it’s a full sensory experience where you don’t there’s no room for your mind to make anything out of it rather than what the fuck you know they’re what the fuck you up and so that’s it yeah I think that that’s a beautiful vision for people to energetically sign onto and pray for and if there were some more practical pieces that you feel like you know like let’s say what what it what are a few events that would have to happen or synchronicities it would have to happen that would give you start healing start to give you the signs okay I’m going to I’m going to meet the universe halfway because you’re coming you know the the the backline band and you know the invites to festivals I mean it’s really like you know it could be as simple as that’s like the blue sky budget it real No Limits vision of you actually at the absolute peak of rock starter doing everything the way you want to do it but it could be as simple as that microcosm of that is just like are you performing live with a band or with a DJ and Are You Are you delivering that experience in in the form of a you know if you have a concert where you know whatever the whatever however small that container is that you’re sort of squeezing into to fit on asset asset at a club the festival or something like if you have that assemblage kind of pre-packaged and ready to explode you know are you like are you are you digging you know where can people see you jam and do this live and is that something that you have to get your act together for before you get the show on the roof like I only have one song out I feel like I am limited you know it like how I can creative express myself but what I was feeling called to do is like what I’m seeing now is like it’s it’s a full my performance show I’m open to working with a DJ however I feel like most people that come see DJs like one it for the electronic music versus like the performance that is happening on the side so I feel like yeah so I feel like it would have to be like some kind of a live musician who also has like a tantric background and wants to see other heater understand he or she understands my story and what I want to communicate creatively and so he or she has a full freedom to play as she or he feels inspired Moment by moment but there’s the common theme of sexual integrity and transparency and however way we choose to express that people are coming to see that live performance at live fresh spontaneous ass obviously the song is going to be played because that’s the one song that is available on whether I just start opening with that or closing with that but I really would love to see some kind of a counterpart musician whether it’s a few and like I’m I would love to create orchestrate something that is about transmuting sharing that sound wave you know and and and Visually me being like the Muse the devil. See the. Kini the dance of the Sky Dancer and just expressing that in like there could be poetry in between and like storytelling there guiding people to step into those archetypes meditating with them and then letting that part of them XP Express is what you need to do it this is how it can look like at home if you want to go deeper come to the weekend events happening next month or in the week or whatever you know but at least creative way they can they can experience at so I totally need a I need to get my act together but like I do feel that art is one of the most is is a powerful underground receptive way medium to Sheraton truck cuz like I feel honestly there’s a lot of teachers are getting too caught up in the head the explaining of it is the the professionalism of it like let’s get real this is an energy of the feeling like how are you make sure they can come to your Pooja on your Workshop but like what about beyond that beyond the how to what about how they can feel now and now and now and now and now like that experience that liberates some verses this is how you do it like everything else like let’s learn from someone else telling you how to do it how do you say they can be in Merced Community and experience and ritual and ceremony and that natural place within themselves where they claim that contract lineage for them breaking out I don’t want to be on a pedestal you know it just just want to be a part of my community again absolutely will something that I think would be the the sort of the CID magical sigil for the vision board of what we’re saying if it’s not if I wouldn’t be out of line to Coke Inspire on on This fishing I’m actually I’m looking at this article about sting and in his comments about tantric sex from this this article and see did you hear about that I’ll pretty much the West was introduced to Tantra through stings comment and a magazine interview years ago where he talks about having sex for hours with his partner and said I haven’t you heard of time trick sex like big you know first Awakening around Tantra I wouldn’t know it was because of him that leaves more to be desired because I think it was just the sort of I mean if in the history of Tantra is encountering in the west that was like the the sort of flash in the pan where the term got got out there. I didn’t know she was like whoa you can be no man can last for more than you know five seconds and actually be making up for an hours and sting is that what it is and so it’s been my secret fantasy you know that sting which you don’t answer I’m trying to engineer a new archetype of a ton truck Rockstar and actually get on stage and sing and dance and do devotional Pooja worship and get people on their knees and get him you know shaking off game 11-9 each other and then and sting already actually is the by definition the tantric Rockstar but I don’t know that he has actually built a Puja around his performance which you would expect that he would be so inspired to do that at some point yeah be like you’ll sing what up can I introduce that’s the way to think about it if you imagine you know who knows how realistic it is but that’s not we’re not we’re not here to be realistic a line so I can see a bill you know it’s like why not I mean he’s he’s Still rocking you know he’s still doing it and he’s also been featured in the 2012 time for change documentary by Daniel pinchbeck which shows him talking about his Ayahuasca experiences so I think he’s about is totally ripe to flip that switches is any is the man so who knows but that would speed there would be divine these from all throughout the Universe coming to Earth to to witness that that to her from the Moon you know that all watch this beautiful experience of Sting Township rigid tour yeah yeah so so do you want to tell people how they can get in touch with you and get your you know services and signed up with thing and the main thing is you can visit everything for my services from my events from learning more about me on my website the full website name of the website is he shall send a bell but I I have a short link because the name is pretty long which is Sandoval. Com which is my last name and that’s as in Sam as an apple and as a Nancy d as in dog eyes and ivory V isn’t Veronica is an elephant Ella’s in love and in on my website you can find all of my social media platforms currently right now I think I liked Instagram the most you can watch the video the music video on my website and also unmute my YouTube channel I love doing live videos so you can text the you can check on Facebook for those pretty much everything is on my website so awesome any closing words you want to share if we go yeah thank you so much for this interview I so appreciate your patience is honestly been one of the weirdest it’s interesting experiences because like I just couldn’t imagine how things would just wake him up and I’ve never had a situation like this where I’ve had so many times over the course of so many kind of so-so many months so I truly appreciate you for holding that space for me and also holding space for so many people to tune in to what you have to share and yeah I really loved our conversation and and I hope I hope people find space inspiring spaces to explore the depths of their sexuality for their own Evolution and Humanity as well awesome yeah I got to say you know any time things start to get to be like a Bermuda Triangle I start to pay attention and I I start to believe that there’s some Dire Dawa stick Divine guidance happening and I definitely feel like we’re both aging like wine and this is probably the perfect time to make these alchemical prayers really this is I want I would like to see your medicine be viral content on the internet and that too then give you the the the rightful power to tour the world at whatever schedule that you like to be able to really rapidly decontaminate this reality from all of that horrible repressive baggage and you know make it you know make it work so yeah right on well definitely so good so it’s all in Divine time so yeah we’ll be in touch then definitely keep rocking and we’ll hopefully cross paths in the future yes thank you love likewise you have a good night thank you thank you for listening to the Tantra pump podcast please go to www.crunch.com cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email fan at Tasha Punk. 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