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Brad Mitchell Mojohost Award

High Quality Website Hosting for Adult Content with Mojohost President Brad Mitchell TPP279

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In this episode I’m joined by my new favorite web guru Brad Mitchell for a next level journey into the value of the high quality services provided by Mojohost

Please visit Mojohost at:

 https://www.mojohost.com/

About Brad:

For 21 years Brad Mitchell has been a presence in the adult space that has defined him as one of the most trusted, respected and recognizable faces in the industry. As the president and founder of MojoHost, Brad has built one of the fastest growing and customer-approved hosting companies with more than 1,200 companies as clients worldwide. Brad has been published many times over the years and is a frequent speaker at industry conferences. MojoHost is a multiple winner of XBIZ’s Best Web Host, GFY’s Web Host of the Year and Ynot’s Best Hosting Company Award and Brad himself holds numerous distinctions, topped by the AVN Hall Of Fame Internet Founders Award. Often recognized as the preeminent host of our industry and acclaimed by customers, Brad is a family man who will always take the time to help. Brad’s experience, knowledge and personality make him a go-to guy in the adult industry. He believes in honest business practices and helping people, and lives by the motto #ThatsGoodMojo.

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

BM: Corey Silverstein, most profound industry attorney, representing talent and companies, he’s actually my best friend, met long time ago, before he passed the bar, mojohost has been using his legal services for the whole time he’s been a lawyer

TP: awesome, glad to hear that

BM: started august 1999

in health care before tech and adult entertainment

life moments, purchasing first house, getting married, 23-24 years old, decision, job that I had wasn’t inline with goals, 7 years into career, that going in all right places, decided wasn’t what signed up for, gave notice

started searching for business for sale

collection of adult website for sale, active in commerce, bought pay sites, started journey down path

first few years, bought websites that had revenue, 10-12k a month in rev, didn’t know when started, awful lot, didn’t know due diligence, didn’t know person selling was defrauding me, rocky start, management to make the best of it

sites were, all stolen content, fraud recurrering credit card database, deleted everything, rebuilding different niche sites with licensed content, starting all over again, before starting hosting company

established pay site program, for a few years also had phone sex marketing company, early on as site owner, trying to figure out what else I could promote

didn’t trust concept of affiliate programs, traffic was organic from search engines

got niche specific toll free premium rate entertainment lines

first conference may of 2000, on mission trying to find company there to do fulfillment

teach other webmasters to do what I’m doing, make .25, .50

back then, searching on internet, weren’t marketers there

early origin story

always been technically inclined, bought service, put in data center,

made friends in industry

started to re-sell some hosting to offset and lower bills

april of 2002, when I officially went into hosting business, running phone affiliate program,

current business partner today, upon his suggestion, started partnership, he was CTO managing all things technical, I was managing finances, sales, operations, been a long time since then

today over 1000 clients all over the world

1500 servers, 2 different data centers

several dozen employees doing technical support

quite a journey, watching all the tech, working with so many companies

the 1000 I host today represent more than 3000 individuals and companies I’ve worked with since we started

TP: blessings to you for taking on these opportunities and challenges, a lot of learning curves

BM: for sure, never really learned anything the easy way

remember having talks at trade shows, people arguing about giving away 15 second free video clips, around those years, people started to publish video on the internet, bandwidth used to be super expensive,, content was behind a paywall

typically a life cycle of 4-6 years, for someone’s business

so many amazing entrepreneurs, very few ideas and implementations you can create once and just sort of last forever

have to continue reinventing selves and products

catchphrase, that’s good mojo

corporate mantra, from sales to technical support

always in support of customers

give as much info as possible

as much as can, try to empower customers, with all the tools they need

much rather have creative entrepreneurs finding a home here that people with stagnant businesses

95% customers in adult entertainment or advertising space

busy in this space

1-2 years, making efforts, adding staff, augment marking, expand reach

amazing set of technical products, haven’t been reaching fullest audience

TP: appreciate longevity of your operation, definitely hanging in there, flash backs of those chokepoints in bottlenecks in bandwidth and streaming

survived different waves of politics/tech

difference between adult friendly and unfriendly web hosting services

pitch for why people need to do it right the first time, start with adult friendly tech stack for content

BM: my experience, as always a lot of preconceived notions

most basic level, being on internet, even buying a domain, they think godaddy

even when it comes to starting at very beginning, most registrars, have something that looks like a bundled plan,

hosting package, maybe includes domain, show low domain price, 9.99, details fine print, intro price, renews at price higher on year two

we’ve done, convenience for client base everyday low price on domains, include privacy services

.com, always 9.99 no higher, no upcharge for privacy, offer as convenience

for average person, challenging to pick a good web host, if not what experience is grounded in

10s of 1000s website selling hosting, most are resellers, reselling hosting services from other organizations

one or several servers in a data center, don’t own servers don’t own network, don’t own ip space, aren’t negotiating bandwidth, their providing tech support, renting server from hosting company

always gonna be a cheaper price for webhosting, paying for what you get

smaller companies, maybe a great match, get lucky, super attentive admin

wake up in middle of the night, respond timely, handle tickets quickly

don’t have economy of scale for support

when we started, literally, if in middle of night server went down, he’d have to get woken up to fix server

extreme example on small end of webhosting, dont think it’s good place to host with

dont’ have depth of experience, or buying power to assemble a good product

mojo host, servers in 2 continents, separate company in netherlands

1,500 servers online

one of things differentiates us the most

going from one end of spectrum, small web host, selling management on top of renting a real hosting company

opposite would be going with something like go daddy, huge company

challenge with opposite end, is that they have many many tiers of technical support experience, pick up phone, call, medium or complex question, get someone at first tier of tech support, navigate through technical bureaucracy, to get right advice

mojo host 25 senior sys admins, 5-15 years experience

spend several months teaching more, how to do things our way, we can be accountable to expectations/outcomes for customers

few hundred very large webhosting companies, I’m on small end of spectrum, we’re on of them based on traffic, client count, server count,

most of larger companies not selling high touch customer service product, they are trying to move quantities of servers, selling just based on price point, buying hosting can be really confusing

misleading

analogy, ever had unlimited cellular plan, only to find out its not unlimited?

Rate limiting/throttling, no body wants that

definitely don’t want that on a server

revenue tracks with customer experience

difference in cost, less than what you think

can explain how hosts buy bandwidth, how they do their internet routing,

we assemble best networking, best support team, hardware nerd

goal, to deliver everyday good price for great product, with support that’s amazing

proud of it

our tech support, not allowed to say no, work till blue in the face to help

programming advice, feedback on bad scripting, mindful of security considerations

manage to client success

independent creative thinker, problem solver

TP: more and more sold, a lot of my pain points are being nudged on a bit

realizing more and more, I probably have been shooting myself in the foot

BM: don’t beat yourself up too much

I see it a lot when people are buying

takes a connection, good conversation, have it explained to you

a buyer of hosting, always okay to ask why, always an explanation

there’s an answer for everything

truth of it is, on tech support, wage scales are very high for top notch, technical talent

staff used to cost me 30-45k a year 10 to 12 years ago, now in north america,

65-over 100k a year with full benefit package,

tech support may take an hour to solve your problem, complex trouble shooting

if you’re buying a plan that’s 10 or 20 or 50 or 99$ a month, there’s a real clock that’s ticking on the other endof the phone,

support difference, it would be very easy to try to layer that with less qualified tech support to average those costs down

I’ve had such a crack sys admin team

team is global

guys in us, michigan where headquarters, florida, maine, wisconsin

office in ukrain, 18 sys admins

2 in phillipenes

high standard for who your hiring, english skills, good team fit?

Fit for company culture, integrity, work ethic, creativity, attitude, positive attitude, make for great employees

physically living doesn’t matter so much

super high quality staff

don’t hire any candidates

TP: if I’m dealing with any service provider who’s not on board with adult industry, tip towing, egg shell walking, shy, enter what’s your domain, on support ticket, I cringe, will they be biased

BM: you never know,

personal views might affect outcome of what your trying to accomplish, that’s one risk factor, the other

big companies, broad sweeping policy changes that affect everybody

canadian web hosting company, didn’t want to host any more adult website, never got to speak with any principles of that entity, don’t know what rationale was, led to them having many customers that needed to find a new home

found us, seamlessly get those people moved over

helped them all win

more servers, more bandwidth, better or lower price

that’s the risk you run with medium size companies that think to have policies

with larger entities, even more complex risk factor,

example: abuse complaints can be a very wide spectrum of opinion, there’s the laws that exist, very real, all abide by those, when it comes to email or content related, obscenity, start getting into areas some of which well defined, others very subjective

when a client is sitting at a very very large web host, dozens or 100s of people in abuse department, handing broad spectrum they’re not invested in understanding what’s going on, what they’re looking at, maybe they don’t have to care… that right decisions being made, right actions being taken

we’ve got silverstein as attorney, see eye to eye on all of those issues

protect customers so they can feel safe if they’re doing good honest business

at same time, I do everything in my power that people doing bad things on the internet don’t have any safe places to hide, can’t do it on my network

another benefits to being at a host that’s so engaged with whats right/wrong legally and dare say morally, I’m able to keep whole flock of customers safer by making really smart decisions about what we will and wont’ allow on our network

mega hosts, often the victim of neighborhood that they’re in

making sales, everything a sign up page, not really conversation with customers

not interested …some fly by night spam nonsense, things that are deceitful can create bad internet network neighborhood

more often victim of ddos

beautiful things at mojohost, network, filled with good neighbors, makes everyone’s stuff safer, not looking to add every possible sale to mojohost, only seeking good customers

any indications that someone’s doing something fraudulent/illegal, happy to get them off our network, helps protect …other servers, protects IP reputation

TP: again all these flashbacks, being hacked by some vuln on some other shared host, not maintaining

you get what you pay for

you don’t get what you don’t pay for

BM: in order to keep my staff effective, don’t sell shared hosting, we do sell them to people, mostly friends and family, anyone we’ve known or met can talk to us, if don’t have a plan at your price point we’ll create one for you, good people doing good things on internet

shared hosting is massively over subscribed, dozens to hundreds of customers, hundreds to 1000s of domains and put on single server, problem is working under same installation of operating system, all same memory, ram, disk resources, hard to give somebody guarantee on quality of service at that price point

say you have wordpress site, one domain, hundred other people wordpress site on own domains, inexperienced, start adding things to wordpress, no consideration, exploits that theme or mod, when last update, how secured,

shared hosting, someone got rooted on the box, affects everybody’s websites

sharing ip addresses, now goofed for everybody

im not able to serve all of the masses, but that’s not the goal of the business

if you want a more predictable, more reliable, higher performance, more deeply supported experience you’re gonna have to pay a bit more, not necessarily a lot more, but a little bit more

10 a month to 50 a month, what are you getting what are you paying

company like mine, committed to industry, really resourceful

open line of communication, jack, keith, natalie, to our attorney,

if someone’s smart, tap relationships right, being in the club gets you access to everybody

travel the world, 10-12 adult conferences a year, meeting people all over the place sometimes that means, if you had a problem with say your paxum account, maybe I can connect you with someone to help you get it fixed

good mojo, I know such and such, see if I can help you get this squared away, other business value feel like we can add, for customers and friends

always happy to help whenever possible

TP: definitely stoked on that way of approaching it, I’ve felt very alone, naked and afraid, on the internet, I would say to be honest at this point, the threshold I’ve arrived at personally, I’ve been sort of in a bit of an incubator, experimenting, see if can find niche, find traction, it is what is, been what’s it’s been, now would be able to justify premium, more robust

can’t justify liability, not having team behind me

it wouldn’t be one of those 3 letter agencies to be the first ones to tell me I’m doing something wrong, it would be you and corey and everybody else, have all the security on your end correct, things you’d never know in your blindspot, never ending attacks

advanced round

what I’m desperately looking for now, cyber security, info sec, data breach, listening to podcasts

hole in most hosting service providers, some of them them allow multifactor authentication on cpanel, most don’t looking for ones that do, in today’s world, have shared secrets on server, evil made, insider, issue, public key, shell, mfa,

could you give me the elevator pitch on how the admin dashboard, cpanel, ect. Even ftp/ssh access, how can people have the most bulletproof secure access and management experience

BM:

blow your mind, hate selling people cpanel, recommend against it every chance we get

you’ve got managed hosting here’s your cpanel, have at it, doesn’t sound very managed, self servicing, hoping you don’t fuck things up

on top of it, baked into your costs, cpanel licensing fees, cpanel bought by larger entity, licensing very different, what does it mean to you

changed all licensing and royalty amounts

increased prices to consumer

some instances double or triple the fees

change in raw costs on licensing

cpanel has a great product, some alternatives, mostly at mojo, very different, no control panel, my staffs doing the work, you want to ad 5 domains, you put in a support ticket, tell us what the domains are, alright guys go in and add all the domains, we set up all the firewalls, add all email accounts. Like a consierge service

TP: feel like infinite attack surface anytime I log in

BM: …from tech perspective, staffed up with such qualified sys admins, more granular, directly command line, write on scripts to manage server, automate things on the back end, not like my guys going into control panel, copying and pasting into script, lots of things in backend, more efficient, more accurate, customize for betterment of client

when you order hosting for pretty much any other “regular host” getting default install, no tweaking anywhere, not database, …

we believe, best practices all of these different very specific areas, security, performance

might be paying a little more with us to have personal support, senior level sys admin, don’t have to know how to do the work, don’t have to know how to solve the problems, we’ll fix it, explain what happened, explained what options are, removed learning curve,

not just default, taylored to support your needs for some part of your runway

experts at helping people grow your business

we’ve got all that experience

you could start with small vps, dare I say shared hosting account, specialists at highly complex set ups

we help guide our customers into those solutions

we have the way we want to do things…do these complex set ups, end up writing wikis for each client

TP: definitely just blew my mind, dream come true, never would have thought that far out of the box, foot bound by all my experienced about 20 years, web master, designer, always renting, bouncing from one nightmare meltdown to another

BM: gap from when where you’re buying before and where you could be buying may be 10s of dollars

…we’ll do the whole move for you, we’ll move em you test tem

TP: want to get into some weeds with some of your tech guys, gonna make the commitment to make the migration as soon as possible, mind has been blown

the thing that is the deal breaker that sounds like you’re able to soothe my stress around these deal breakers

BM: satisfaction guarantee

I want your complete satisfaction

we’re all human, mistakes do get made, work for a client, work hard for them

with us, we are always going the extra step

mistakes are made, happens some times, important to us that we own it, responsibility, apology, real explanation

very subjective from there on out

get very few requests for invoice credits

my hope is we’re always having a conversation

corrective measures so doesn’t happen in future

things come up, issue at next staff meeting,

something really bad does happen, wanting to overcompensate, can’t insure somebody’s whole business….do best we can

TP: what I could hope for is something almost unimaginable in other paradigms, what I’ve always wanted to do is actually have the engineers behind the delivery of my content, have the master plan of threat model, growth trajectory, proactive about hedging risk, move slowly, absorb surprise scaling, client-consultant relationship, within reason is bundled within hosting plan, wiki for client, that’s the level of now we’re talking high level , intimate codevelopment of a brand

BM: even if you did find another good host, give attention, whole experience breaks down at initial sales process, sales person…

cool thing about mojohost, we all work together when needed, depending on clients needs, not managing to monthly bonus, no trickery, not trying to upsell, scaled business without that, doesn’t work to my benefit in some ways, long term establishes rapport with customers, trust them with business

very consistent experience

if you’re business changes on the fly, get some crazy social media, something goes viral, we figure out all that billing shit afterwards, if it’s an event already happening, happening now, post mortem, we can figure, this is maybe how we need to change your plan, resources

very fluid, if you’re going down or up….

Make changes retroactively, bigger, smaller, which ever direction it needs to go

TP: great general overview, I’m sold, I’m moving forward, honestly having corey on your team is all it took, wonderful vibe from you

my biggest wet dream is to have sophisticated penetration testing/red teaming, sure you have access to the kind of people who would be trust worthy in that department, hesitant to go shopping for pen testers not knowing if they’re just gonna have a good old time, joy riding my site backwards and forwards, installing back doors, a lot of trust in that kind of stuff

BM: we take a very interesting approach, within your desire to do that, experiences in the past, fears of the future, best place to take that conversation, could happen in support ticket, we could talk through and explain over the phone, Vps, any of the guys on our staff, really nerds, love what they do, understand your business, what the risks are

when we install on server, not default install, its a mojo installation, no ssh or ftp access unless ip is white listed

part of list of best practices on how we want to deploy service, I’m warrantying your whole service on my network and hosting company

sometimes might mean you may ask for something and we say no, always a reason for it, always based on experience, doesn’t mean there aren’t other ways to accomplish what the clients want to do

happy to help any way we can

TP: gives me chills, want to not have a million options that open me up to all kinds of fuckery, want a very hardened experience

have people with more experience watching over it, being that war room

BM: first thing you truly want to look at , what’s all the software you’re running on your server

battle tested software solutions in adult space, serve us very well, maybe ongoing cost …some upfront fee, but you’re buying something that’s been installed on 1000s of sites, storage cloud, cdn, turn key

a lot of security stuff comes down to good software choice and bad software choices

hard way seems like easy way…cheap plugins

different trade offs

we can help clients, guide into make right choice for business at right point in time

I boot strapped my business, understand what it’s like

have to remember, trying to build an environment for self, predictability, scalability, safety, follow path others have gone before you, its a good way to go, expert level experience

software that’s been battle tested

10s of millions, 100s of millions of vistors a day

bad programming makes for bad hosting

always gonna be working hard to compensate for bad programming

people miss point of that

don’t see how much extra its costing them to use something they could have paid a little more upfront for that’s gonna work better

TP: pay the farmer or pay the doctor, ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure, how much does it cost for the average data breach settlement, pay upfront for more hardening, security,

BM: appreciate being on podcast

TP: can’t get enough

BM: mojohost.com, international, mojohost.eu, two separate portals

have conversation with us

sales@mojohost.com, copies whole team, someones always working or watching their email

skype call or zoom call, want to learn more about your business, experience in the past

use all of our experience to make the best solution that meets your budget and your technical requirements

make your hosting free while you’re doing a move

concerned about quality job, customers number 1 over here

affiliate program pays really well

can set people up as an affiliate, referral, code, 8% residual, very personable here

TP: xbiz show, andaz hotel, rooftap rager, mojohost, silverstein legal party, had that good time, coming full circle, can’t thank you enough, corey enough, look forward to next steps, having you on again soon

 

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Adult Industry Law in the Covid-19 Era and Beyond with Attorney Corey D. Silverstein TPP277

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In this episode I’m joined again by leading adult industry attorney Corey D. Silverstein for an exploration of the adult industry legal landscape in the Covid-19 era and beyond

About Corey:

Corey D. Silverstein is the managing and founding member of the Law Offices of Corey D. Silverstein, P.C d/b/a/ Silverstein Legal.  His practice focuses on representing many areas of the law that impact the adult industry.  His clientele includes hosting companies, affiliate programs, content producers, payment processors, website operators, dating websites, webcam sites, traffic brokers, social media websites and performers, just to name a few.  Mr. Silverstein regularly provides legal services related to: age verification and record keeping requirements (18 USC 2257), intellectual property (copyrights and trademarks), the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the Restore Online Shopper’s Confidence Act (ROSCA), Federal Trade Commission (FTC) compliance, first amendment / free speech, obscenity, corporate law, criminal defense, internet law, domain disputes and various other areas of the law.  Mr. Silverstein is an acclaimed litigator and dispute resolution specialist. His practice also concentrates on complex contracts, business structure, and business formation.  Mr. Silverstein prides himself in providing prompt and aggressive representation tailored to each of his clients’ individual needs.  Mr. Silverstein is regularly featured in adult industry periodicals such as AVN and XBIZ and has been quoted and published in mainstream media including the New York Times, FOX News, MSNBC, the Miami Herald, the Washington Post, the Detroit News and the Associated Press.  Mr. Silverstein is also a regular speaker at conferences throughout the world (United States, Canada, Colombia, Netherlands) and has made countless presentations related to topics and issues that affect the adult industry and online marketplace.  Amongst his numerous professional affiliations, Mr. Silverstein is a member of the First Amendment Lawyers Association (FALA). Myadultattorney.com is a website dedicated to the representation of adult industry clientele. Mr. Silverstein can be reached through Myadultattorney.com or by email at corey@myadultattorney.com. Mr. Silverstein can also be contacted by telephone at 248-290-0655.

My Non Verbatim Show Notes: 

CS: been in adult entertainment industry approx 15 years, law firm dedicated to adult ent, represent clients in more than 13 countries, harder in covid19 era to get with clients, crazy time period, government assistance package, funds used up, sba tapped allotment, provisions in the sba loan apps in essence disqualified certain adult entertainment, lawsuit filed in MI, strip club challenging constitutionality

phone ringing off the hook, issues coming in from all over the place

performers some never been busier, some can’t pay bills

Michelle from FSC, horrendous personal ordeal, suffering, being separated from families, wild right now

TP: dualities of different opportunities, liabilities, emergent properties, even preppers realize they have all these holes in their ship, didn’t factor in

xbiz newsletter, Utah legislation, warning label

CS: utah bill did become law, even though gov didn’t sign

telling sign, gov wanted nothing to do with

conversations with clients, each person needs to consult with own counsel

so poorly written, difficult time finding people to comply, virtually mandates you admit your content may be obscene

ridiculous

if someone does get fined, suspect pretty quick, constitutional lawyer pick up the challenge, unconstitutional

poorly thought out provision, state of utah, substantial religious motivations, shouldn’t surprise you, nothing new, unbinding declaration porn is health crisis

another reminder, always someone out there with an agenda to try to politicize adult entertainment

TP: web application firewall, not possible geo fence state ip ranges,

CS: uk age verification law, not hold, dead

TP: can’t geofence ip ranges for a specific united state, terms and conditions, not allowed to access website if resident of this state, if you do, violating terms, you can’t really enforce that, not using mechanism, does that have any protection

CS: don’t think answer to utah law, is to contract a way out of it, way its written takes presumption all adult content is obscene, have to label site as such, don’t see any way around it, someone will challenge as unconstitutional, wouldn’t take position to try to contractually limit it

there is some technology out there to ban state traffic, acts as admission you believe content obscene

already have federal obscenity test, articulated by us supreme court, as much as utah would like to define obscene content, eliminate adult entertainment as they see it, federal case law differs

TP: clarity on terms, realizing I take for granted they’re gonna think everything is obscene, operating on their terms,

CS: gotta read language very carefully, want you to write statement, adult content harmful to minors, whatever exact language is, utah once again went way to far, silly, nothing more than some politicians…want to run for office often say a lot of things, crack down on this/that, promise part of far right, curb back pornography, very telling, governor wouldn’t sign it

TP: bill in california, would impose dmv style license or food handlers license exam for anyone in adult entertainment activities, cam models, porn shooots, all forms of sex workers, what’s your take on that

CS: ab 2389, scarlet letter provision, state of california, article in xbiz, wrote about this topic, bill that would prohibit adult entertainers/performers unless received certificate of training completing regarding employment rights

originally language said needed valid business license, would have required adult entertainers to go to state of ca, proof took course, fill out application, fee, finger print, state directory of adult entertainers being held by state of ca

possiblyi one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen,

reminded of scarlet letter, young lady who was alleged of adultery, required to run around with giant letter stapled on her

when I see statutes like this come out, who even thinks this stuff up

originally two supporters, one of them dropped out, backlash was massive

quickly amended it, has not become law as of yet, I don’t think it will pass

ca already had wars with adult entertainment industry in the last couple of years, not sure they want to end up in courts with this one, hopeful common sense will make them realize this is just a stupid idea

can understand, state of ca, wants adult entertainment workers educated, don’t see how its their right to mandate education

not a supporter, horrible for industry

for individual rights, think this is a massive step backwards

question true motivation, politicians behind this thing

this bill has not passed

lot of laws…get proposed never become actual laws

TP: interview with several officers several of the high ranking folks at the international entertainment adult union, original source of pressure on legislators to collaborate on crafting the language for this, govt, hammer that only sees nails, boilerplate language and strategy, compelling people to dox themselves, trusting gov to have digital honey pot database, hacker dream come true to exploit, data breech, applicable privacy laws, you’d never want to give them more information than they already have to do their own work to try to collect

spirit of it, opinion, I believe they adult performer advocacy committee has an industry voluntary stamp of approve for their standard of set rights, education or performers, website production house does their training, complies with their list, that’s where you want to go, industry self policing to standards that are worked out between actual stakeholders, not involving gov agencies, conflicts of interest, slow, ineffectual

CS: industry filled with a lot of different trade organizations, tremendous work, amazing results, free speech coalition, woodhull freedom foundation

I wasn’t there, don’t know what was going on behind the scenes, in front…never get the whole story

don’t think this was thought out well

not saying anyone had bad intent, suggesting this wasn’t thought out very well

when it comes to adult entertainment, it’s all about free speech,

rules regulations, certiications, another steop closer that you’re walking on top of people’s first amendment rights, always urge tremendous amount of caution

gov should be talking to trade orgs

listened …more to industries ideas regarding 2257 we wouldn’t be a 15 year court battle, however many years

goes both ways

in this particular case, no doubt…as to what this thing can do, …tramples first amendment

hard time to believe any adult entertainment entrepreneur would support this bill

TP: gov just wants to take money, give an inch take a mile, unlike a lot of other industries, one of the few where regulators aren’t in revolving door with industry

anywhere expect to be collusion/corruption, perverse incentives

CS: big issues, lot of politicians want to talk about it, soap boxes…won’t have telephone conversation, won’t meet with actual sex worker…that’s the problem…heart of fosta/cesta, any sex worker on planet, ask whether done any good, answers gonna be no, 9 times out of 10, nothing new hear,

does it really help, does it change anything on the ground, it doesn’t what’s what we’re seeing with fosta/cesta

brilliant lawyers involved [fosta/cesta] case, successful in court of appeals, message to trial court, sex workers have a legitimate argument, deserve day in court…hoping…more victories

TP: monkey wrentch in gears of court procedings, coronavirus, futurism mode, what do you think prospects are, whore-archy, come together organize, sex worker outreach project, doing fantastic work, could you imagine that this economic collapse/crisis after effects long term could their be an impetus to fight back against prohibition of sex work in general, reverse backlash

I could see a lot of people going into sex work, people who never would have thought about this before, have to do, because its the only thing people are paying for

CS: here’s the thing, simple fact…you can continue to pass ridiculous laws, base them on whatever you want to base them on, fact is, sex workers…not going to stop, fosta/cesta ill conceived

covid19 era, totally different world, people really should be exercising social distancing, limiting contact with other human beings…sex industry probably greatly been affected as well…notion, thought, this is where gov is wrong, that they can just keep passing laws and that’s someone gonna stop it isn’t gonna work, that’s not who you solve problems

other countries throughout the world that have legalized prostitution, that have legalized different forms of sex work that here in the us are illegal…seen crimes against sex workers with proper legalization/protocols, actually much safer

getting into issue, reality, politics, agendas, belief systems not based on fact, religious beliefs or whatever

I don’t see sex work necessarily going away, disappearing, do believe pandemic has hurt that industry very much…responsible people should be social distancing…minimize contact with other human beings…stop the spread of this aweful virus

when this is all over…getting back to normal…don’t think the sex work industry is a gonna skip a beat..

TP: new baby boom, 9 months from the vaccine roll out

CS: pregnancy through the roof, divorce through the roof, people married forever never had to spend this much time together in their lives…now they’re getting to know

TP: internet bandwidth, 5g tin foil hat, people got their netflix, zoom

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CS: netflix has admitted, changed policies, limited…people have to make tough decisions to protect their networks, don’t fault them, probably a good thing proactive

TP: if you’re savy and healthy you could really ethically capitalize on new niches of oppportunity, survivors and winners are gonna be the big winners, hopefully not just bailed out fortune 500

crypto, stable coins taking up market share

any thoughts on state of crypto for adult

gonna be stress tested by covid era as well

CS: crypto is and continues to be a long term play, don’t believe crypto will be running the world over night

icos folded up, shit coins, a lot of those fold up and go away

adult crypto continues to be accepted,

if you follow wall street, crypto now accepted, mutual funds, canadian stock market, mainstream legit financial branches accepting crypto, continue to be excellent tool for adult, any adult business needs to consider their future with crypto, have to have as potential option, still believe in it

a lot of junk out there, bad players, but industry has been weeding those out

look at dozens if not hundreds of “coins” that have basically disappeared, that’s not the worst step

crypto will continue to grow in adult space

learn about it, understand, don’t have to be afraid of

old school politicians want you to think crypto is a bad thing

crypto currency, blockchain can be used for so much more

big growth as more people..less intimated by it

bitcoin…still off all time high…tremendous amount of growth potential

TP: proving itself out more and more everyday,

thoughts on libra

CS: I don’t think libra’s gonna work, don’t think you can call it a cryptocurrency

are they using blockchain technology on the backend, yeah, do I consider it a cryptocurrency no

I won’t use it

google plus,

TP: in recycling bin of time

CS: think about how many people who don’t have debit cards, local branch of bank is closed…because covid…crypto currency never closes ever

TP: coins are hygienic as you could ever get

CS: bitcoin article, they use gold coin with b and dollar sign, stop doing that…segment of people that thinks it’s a real thing…no how it works…hopefully people will see past that

TP: earn it act

CS: end of the world!

Longer conversation, probably gonna have to dedicate more of a conversation, lot of history, premise of bill, as of right now…website can benefit from section 230, earn it act wants to do…flip that around…as opposed to automatic section 230 immunity you would have had to “earn it”

problem is…not entirely clear on what exactly companies would have to do to earn it

sets back free speech on internet tremendously

section 230, internet companies cannot be held liable for positing of users, now though…when you change that around, …onus on internet companies to start…monitor/police content…cut at the heart of what section 230 is supposed to do…in terms of freedom of speech

gov…access to encryption, a little new still, no one is completely clear…on what they’re asking for

require encryption but they have the key…terrifying…

act itself needs to be watched very carefully

anyone in IT business, search engine…online store…

need to be very careful about, need to be watching it

companies now fighting it

there’s gonna be a lot of resistance…big companies, facebook, etc. I think they’ll be fighting it hard…but…some will support it

don’t think this is good

another example of attacking free speech on internet, policing content on the internet, don’t think that’s good at all

internet…greatest inventions we’ve made

in this instance…start getting into this position, service providers responsible for content users post, going down that slippery slope

TP: could you imagine there would be a proactive constitutional amendment to explicitly protect strong encryption

CS: constitutional amendment, no

TP: just precedent set?

CS: we have to keep protecting section 230, anybody who attacks section 230 is attacking the IT industry, attacking free speech on the internet

wake up, strongly take position, no we don’t want more holes being cut in section 230

earn it act, highly based on sexual exploitation of minors, that’s fine they’re saying that’s what it’s for, absolutely agree that’s an important issue, the way they’re doing it…like taking a bazuka to eliminate an ant hill

just doesn’t make any sense

gov has to get smarter

age of internet people are smarter

reading, want to know about these laws

years ago gov had it a lot easier to slip things into bills

big believer in free and open internet

TP: thank you so much, covered so much material, invigorating

very reassuring, thank you so much for doing all the work that you do, on behalf of free speech for all, adult entertainers/performers, industry ecosystem

closing thoughts

CS: everybody stay safe, be smart, take care of love ones, make sure you’re doing the best you can in terms of social distancing, each person can do just a little bit to help stop the spread

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Charles Hoskinson with Bird on Shoulder

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Charles Hoskinson TPP268

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In this episode I share words of praise for my favorite hero in the crypto/blockchain space, Cardano founder Charles Hoskinson

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Coming from a place of bliss

Immune systems thrive on bliss

with all due respect to suffering, sick and dying, which we could all be one of us

podcast could be titled my 2020 crypto investment thesis, heart of it is my crypto crush, bromance with charles hoskinson, who I have been a fan of now since the end of 2017 where I first got interested, made first purchase of ADA, token or coin that operates on the cardano network, a multi stage, multi phase very complex cryptocurrency platform

story for me of what I would call crypto man crush, I don’t have any personal connection to, don’t have any rapport, just putting out these words because this has been my hope, most optimism I have in heart and mind comes from his work, not just him as a thought leader, innovator, genius, mathematician, cryptocurrency serial entreprenuer

he is a node in his own network, simply another node, by design

I’m spending some time here not to “shill” a crypto token” this is not investment advice, it is an opportunity for me to express from the depths of my soul what I find to be the most optimistic, not just investment opportunity this is for the soul and spirit of liberation of humanity, the spirit of liberation from slavery exploitation abuse tyranny, the core beliefs, principles, values of any freedom loving,

the most universal aspiration is to be free form tyranny, so the study of human freedom is an infinite study, for me the ultimate current embodiment if I chose one person who is a founder of an ensemble cast of geniuses, with the spirit and ethics of liberation at their hearts

what has captured my heart and imagination it goes back, the story , to put it in sequence

why have I arrived at the pinnacle of my techno optimism resting on the shoulders of CH and company

why have I arrived, how

sequence of events goes back to my religions scholarship of bitcoin once I began to realize gains, rabbit hole, andreas antonopolis, the bitcoin podcast, omar bam, cryptos news

shy about exchanges, had to go through multiple currency swaps to get to an alt coin you may want exposure to, the story begins with my other crypto crush bromance, crypto bobby, he and omar bam, he’s the one who’s explainer videos got me to feel comfortable and confident, in understanding how to do professional trading on an exchange, not just buy, actually getting some understanding of how to place different kinds of orders, move from one currency to another, do the math, its really intimidating, scary, can lose nerve, lose mind, lose money

I was very hesitant, but crypto bobby was the sheperd, dangerous places, sharks and whales will eat your lunch, so much respect to him

his best investment of 2017 of all the icos, was his investment in this thing called cardano, I was at the time, I’m just gonna buy whatever crypto bobby has in his portfolio, because he knows more than me

vegas/lottery money, threw I tiny bit at what he was recommending, most of hit has been under water, maybe I glanced at the white papers, but the thing that got my attention was, easy sell, CH co-founder of ethereum, not just a script kitty sitting in a basement, copying a white paper, not vapor ware, not just the ico bubble

of the shit coins that will never come back to life, cardano, not just the project, the personality, the captivating charisma, not like a false charisma, like a ted talk charisma, watching the CH ted talk, between that and what’s called the white board videos

breaks down 1st, 2nd, generation blockchains, how they’ve reached multiple deal breaking scalability, governability, interoperability

in the trenches, very experienced, developing a platform play, as they say in crypto trading world, this is a blockchain that smart contracts and applications using the backbone will be able to build on top of

bitcoin basically just transferring value back and forth, you could be on top of that, but lacks functionality to run more complex computations, stories of transactions can’t be processed

ethereum, infinite complex programmability, on the base layer

at the peak of the market in 2017, thanks to getting served up by crypto bobby watching the ted talk, the white board videos, in a position to take some of my bitcoin wealth, which was not a lot, I wasn’t mining in 2010, I’ve barely been above water, shaken out a few times, weathered the storm, it’s been about what you have loyalty and allegiance to, difference between investing and trading

white board videos give the lay person, I’m not a math, not cryptographer, not a computer scientist, just a power user, copy and paste code, web admin, designer, marketer, more about the graphical user interface, will hire a programmer if I have to go deeper than that, enough understanding for the white board video, but some was going over my head,

now a few years later, studying to catch up on this movement, watched again recently, its so deeply profound, years later I can actually in real time, everything he’s staying clicks for me, I could be enamored with several other competing projects, I put skin in the game because I liked him, this project was really intelligently evolving, learning from triumphs and failures of bit coin and ethereum

more peer reviewed, more academic, not move fast and break things, actual governments, actual economies, critical infrastructure can be built on

he’ll be an exalted position, diplomacy, academic rigor

that’s what sold me, I didn’t continue to buy all the way down, put skin in the game, everything underwater, project in stages of development, other projects crashed and burned and sped ahead, classic story of the tortoise and the hare

I don’t feel a personal connection through the socialbility of the internet personalities of any of the other founders of competing projects, that’s why I can say, I can list off not the selling points of buying cardano or ada to put in investment portfoilio, if I will give any advice, if you want to feel optimistic, about the future of this planet and promise of crypto anarchy, wise, not juvenile, intelligent mature anarchism

talk to your financial advisor about if, when, why, how, what, where cardano fits in your portfolio

I see opportunity to learn from a master of the political economy of the planet earth, a personable master, synthesis of wayne and garth in one person

down to earth, approachable, entertaining, fun, human

unsocialable tech geniuses who don’t make an effort, they just don’t have the calling, the personal, not connecting with people

not a politician or technocrat, it’s just a master

if you want to learn to be a ninja or samurai, there is a sacred devotional traditional classical meritocratic relationship to have with a master

if you’re student and don’t know where to start to understand cryptography, financial technology, the stock market, the systems of government around the world, the international banking system, all the digital fabric that stitches all this together, where am I gonna go to learn all that stuff

all of my crypto mentors have made the difference of me being a beggar or me having options

respect, admiration, meritocracy of those who’ve been further down a path

why do I sing these praises so much, I’ve watched the youtube videos, have subscribed and been a fly on the wall during his AMA

incentivized test net, more reasons to love

I wake up every day feeling optimistic being in a world where the principles represented by CH are being pushed forward against all forces of evil, fraud, manipulation, so long as he remains in good standing with this ethics, I’m going to say that, without having met in person, here’s why I’m so thrilled about his work

as much as any of my tantra mentors, he’s my financial guru mentor

he’s a farmer and gardener, that’s going to excite me very much knowing that he has that balance and that connection to the earth, also mushroom worship, into medicinal plants, giggles about psychdelics, advocate of medicinal psilocybin, fan of Paul Stamets, checking of serious boxes for me, pro shamanic liberation, most important of all things, being connected to the earth through farming

if there was on person on earth where someone should gift him a permaculture design course

there have got to be more permaculture educated crypto millionaries in the world, there’s not enough, the fact that he has a farm, grows vegetables, retrofitting his zones, I just can’t imagine, he hasn’t mentioned it once so far yet

I could go on forever about applications of blockchains in permaculture designs, that’s what makes me very optimistic, thanks to these guys, not to many other geeks and crypto millionaries have their hands in the soil, low hanging fruit to turn on to permaculture design if they aren’t already into it, that’s very exciting to me

you could be steeped in sustainability, green tech, radical politics and maybe only barely bump into permaculture without having gone down that rabbit whole, everyone who’s all about bitcoin, satoshi rabbit whole, permaculture is more profound and empowering, not to compare, the enthusiasm that permaculturist have its very similar

words of vin armani, invest in the revolution and get rich doing it

its not about speculation, whales manipulating markets, still in 90percent speculation, love CH because the price is the currency is not the metric to be watching, it’s the amount of usage of the platform by developers, by apps

not going into why I choose

if you ask me what crypto to I have the most allegiance to, it’s not bitcoin, its not ethereum, it’s cardano because of the love I have for CH, he’d have to have a severe fall from grace for that to change

who are you going to be a student of who is a master of the world we live in and the future that’s about to unfold

you’re gonna want to have options with digital privacy, financial privacy, security, intelligence, all these things are being accessorized within cardano, intelligence behind it, rigorous academic approach, battle hardened, test with dick waving ego maniacal rich douche bag hate, he’s been hated on because he’s a maverick, I respect that, I salute him,

I hope you can catch up on why it is important to study this man, of all the people you were forced to study in k-12 you studied a lot of men, I don’t respect or like or appreciate many of them

one thing I was trained to do was study men, and this man is worth, whatever semesters of school you had to study somebody in history, whatever it was, take that approach, this modern genius renaissance man, take that approach to it to understanding his perspective and analysis, very accessible, does amas if you want to ask him something jump on his ama, subscribe to his youtube channel

I didn’t get in early enough or put in enough to be rich from bitcoin, but so infinitely wealthy in terms of hope and invigoration

the revolution that never happened when iw as a teenager, the anarchist revolution that never happened, the streets of the WTO, glamorizing machismo form of anarchism, juvenile

cypherpunks were writing the code to elegantly subvert the entire system

I was fighting at the lowest point of leverage, fighting cops in the street because they will break your skull, break bones, deport you, put you in prison, I barely got out, times where I barelyi got out with my bones intact, my share of arrests, evasions, escaped

I’m not putting down protest, all of the screaming, chanting, protest signs, I should have spent at least half the energy to study the subversive potential of hacking, and crypto anarchism, and the cypher punks, I didn’t I’m late, I’m not one of the rich people, I’m wealthy now having studied it having it transform my life

love that I feel for satoshi nakamoto, I think it’s the heart and soul of Dave Klieman and tretchery of Craig Wright

the people who want to believe in benevolent satoshi, I’d like to know more about dave kleiman, what made him tick, do some investigative journalism around that, its sorely lacking

I have not been satisfied by the crypto journalism coverage of the works of dave kleiman

how is there not any breadcrumb trail of his code, of his previous work being studied, total bermuda triangle over this guy

back to love and wealth

so much passion and optimism and love and freedom and empowerment, more empowerment than I ever go from any other drudgery of anarchism that was all utopian pipe dream bullshit, drama, demoralizing net lose of youth, vitality, no return on investment

love for satoshi, I hope the heart and soul is the benevolence

maybe I’m projecting that love onto somebody, the love I would be, as a fan, if people want to love tony robbins, I guess I love him, he’s transformed my life, enjoying podcast, and lectures for years

for me CH is like the love I have for tony robbins, and absorbs the love I have for satoshi, he of all people is carrying on satoshi’s vision, not just satoshi, the vision is the cypherpunks, egalitarianism through math, beyond any of the countless people

this goes back a very very long time, liberation through math, that is a beautiful study

india, the math and science of islam, so much beauty to behold in the history of the best of how math has been used

john zerzan would not be a huge fan of this meditation but when used wisely for the benefit of liberation

new profound respect for rules without rulers, I love andreas too so so much

the projected love I have for satoshi, I love andreas, that love of those who are your mentors, gurus, masters, teaching you helping you navigate the best of the spirit of cryptography, math and cryptoanarchism

who has the most integrity, who’s the most mature, who perseveres hold virtue against all criticism and all odds, and be so personable as to earn the respect of the elites of the world, from financial to governments to most destitute

all stand to gain from the leveling of the playing field

studied him from afar, choose what carter thomas said, brought me a ton of appreciation for, anybody could have told me you could invest in tech stocks, I was an eco anarchist, anarcho primitivist, peak of idealism, in teens and 20s that would be like selling my soul, selling out to have anything to do with the financial system

there’s a million things I’m hypocritical about in my purchases, what I let slide in my supply chain ethics, but the idea of I could just invest in everything that gets people rich in the world the shit that rapes the planet and is build by slaves

beholden to cardano, being able to have whatever money you don’t put into vices and give to the man, whatever you can pay yourself with, give yourself a salary, you give money to grocery store, tax man, how about salary to yourself, percentage of salary

trying to catch up on the foolishness of not having money, investible wealth, there wasn’t an option

I’m never gonna touch owning any stocks because it’s all evil, that narrative, partially true, more nuanced, you could invest in ethical corporations

money phobic conditioning doesn’t serve you, didn’t serve me

what matters now it’s possible to dare I say have a 100% ethical vehicle to deploy capital, potential for there to be a return on investment, for me I’m interested in more than a financial gain, I’m interested in participating

one of my desktop background images, ch and friends planting a tree at second anniversary party of cardano, how much closer to my heart can you get

the opus of a man

to have warm feelings of adoration and respect someone who is a master and teacher

I want to say, if you’re thinking about killing yourself right now, binge watch andreas and ch, and you’ll never think of killing yourself again, you’ll be so thrilled to be a live in this moment of opportunity

this revolution, its been the most healing thing for my heart, my heart has bled, it’s been a bleeding heart for a long time, bleeding since I was raped as child, bleeding so long for a revolution that didn’t betray me exhaust me or deplete me

I am getting well and wealthy and healed by a revolution of crypto anarchist math geniuses

I would befriend the geeks, learn from them, kept them close, respected their talents, watched their wizardry

not going to be shaken out, I will have strong hands

enthusiasm for life, happens when you understand crypto

ch was significant factor in that extremely important chapter in the history of crypto anarchy, financial technology

I love ethereum but I love cardano more

a blossoming, an evolution of that

it includes and transcends, ken wilbur,

ch represents inclusion of and transcendence of cypherpunk legacy, geeks behind the internet, bitcoin, ethereum, hopefully this ever evolving and intelligently designed, big tent, compliance, scalability, governance, high transaction throughput, security, privacy, identity

reality of whole planet of different jurisdictions

masterminding, not a lone as he has done, financing research, research based approach, incorporating cryptographers of the world, mature, responsible fashion to where I don’t just put my money into this project, I put my heart and soul as much as I can say I was transformed by tony robbins, love him, am a fan, recommend him

if I get in certain funk, bam, tony robbins hour of power, it’s a resource that’s always there, not saying put your life savings, go in debt, take out a loan, sell your house, try to chase this penny stock, not what I’m saying

admiration, respect, looking up to, being role modeled by

not juvenile in a naive way, but in the fuck yeah I want to emulate your success, the purist adoration, it doesn’t mean they’re perfect or a god, you see them perform, they’re a master of something I respect and want to achieve in

the money is shiggles on top of the thrill of being a fan of the heros of the space

if you’re an adult you can bet some of your wealth accordingly

seeing people you believe are bad asses and what to emulate what they’re doing

he doesn’t have to be perfect, just willing to admit faults, be open to criticism, transparent

anchoring into heart space saying prayers and well wishes, and support, spiritual warrior crystal grid pranic healing, purple breathing send a lot of love to this man, understand him, I beg you

what he has published in his works, what he’s trying to do for you and the world

project love and healing , positive energy around him, as he ascends, as a master

his path of jedi ship if you will, he’s being forged in a fire of toxic astral sabotage and counterintelligence, nasty demonic bullshit

if you’re a tantric you have your sex magic rituals, put this man on your list of people to pray for, bless him with the orgasmic energy of eternal goddess bliss through kundalini awakenings

absolute honor, dignity, reverence and respect

we have this feeble frail imperfect tissue flesh animal human form but when we claw and dance our way to our highest self, climbing kundalini shakti energy, higher selves, godhood, goddesshood of ourselves and our beloved

invite the avatar of this man into the astral realms and armor him with all of the divine love that you can

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In this episode I share the announcement that I have created a free download of a digital “box set” of all my podcasts and videos with an reward program to incentivize fans to maintain offline copies of all my published works

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How the Plantrika Dr. Yalila Espinoza is Healing the Soul of Crypto TPP192

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Yalila PicIn this episode I’m joined again by Dr. Yalila Espinoza for an exploration of her medicine journeys into the heart of the cryptocurrency and blockchain movement.

I first hired Yalila to advise on an experimental healing ceremony design back in 2013 after discovering her great works online. Now over 5 years later, we’ve remained colleagues and friends in the shamanic space, and have done two previous podcast episodes, it turns out we’ve also been deeply immersed in crypto-psychedelia.

It was an exquisite gift to be able to have her on the show this time to talk about this aspect of our life journeys that we hadn’t yet connected on, and see the many emergent properties of mutual understanding and shared analysis.

She’s been doing some amazing work to bring sacred wisdom teachings, ceremony, ritual, and other shamanic modalities into the the heart and soul of the crypto movement. Knowing she has stepped up in this way feels like a new multi-dimensional super heroine has arisen to build bridges from the amazon jungle to silicon valley, wall street, and beyond.

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With this unique moment of cultural evolution, Espinoza finds herself at the center of an ecosystem where powerful business and technology influencers are asking for healing and wholeness.  While working in hospitals within a medical model and then conducting her PhD research on wellness and healing, she noticed the gap in the delivery of health services and the chasm between her own esoteric spiritual offerings and the specific needs of thought leaders. Espinoza found that her clients, while pioneering new businesses and technologies tended to suffer from burnout, depression, and disease. She realized transforming the human and machine networks of the world, like the Internet, must begin with physical, emotional, and mental transformation of the self. So in 2017, Espinoza founded InnerNet, an integrated wellness advisory offering online programs, one-on-one coaching, and retreats designed to optimize leaders’ potential to realize their missions with creativity, clarity, and compassion. 

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 192 I am being blessed today with Doctor you Lila Espinoza founder of internet and a wellness consultant and she’s been on the show a couple of times before please go to my website and look up you’ll be the Espinoza you will find some very deep it’s a very deep Rabbit Hole added to the things we’ve gotten into in the past with Shamanism and healing work and now we’re going to be talking about healing and Shamanism through technology and through blockchain and all really new and exciting developments that to have have cut the world taking the World by storm and we are Kindred Spirits in our approach to I would say the the promise of of a decentralized more mycelial type of networking architecture for governance and for autonomy in for communities in in having that deep lens of shamanic practitioner work and in Journey work we can I would say really resonating really commiserate on the need for a a bottom-up approach to solving the world’s problems in in and starting with the financial problems in the capital distribution problems startup funding problem venture capital for women Founders for people who are doing philanthropic work there’s a huge need for this and also there’s a lot of people who are outspoken psychedelic Warriors within the crypto space I know that the anarchapulco conference has a a sort of there their opportunities for for for ceremonial work that that I’ve heard about and there’s also a crypt of psychedelic conference that’s happened at least once already if I don’t know if it will win next one is being planned but I had to have some some conversations with folks around that already so I’m looking forward to catching up with you you Lila and please tell us all about what you been up to and I love to just hear that they love story of you you’re you’re recording of the blockchain tech I love hearing about how people you know get seduced and then become Believers yes thank you so much for having me and saw the listeners I look forward to connecting and whatever way is in the cosmic alignment so it’s interesting because I’ve reflected in the past week about my journey with in Shamanism psychedelics and now technology because I’m giving a talk actually later today in San Francisco and I I looked at how you know focusing on the Life Energy centers of our body and how I started off an academic world in the medical model working in hospitals really focused on health and wellness and what does that mean for humans in in this part of our Evolution and became dissatisfied and then went into you could say that the third Energy Center of power and when it is Shamanism and in terms of you know how energy is used in in healing and really the base of a believe in Shamanism is around at the power to tap into these energies to know them to work with them and be in service to our community and so the power of the light in the dark and shamans choosing which way they want to search time is it really the the key difference so I went into a long journey in Shamanism personally 3 Anjali and going down into the previant jungle and having my first three months at Journey with Ayahuasca and tobacco and it’ll in isolation very intense journey and that really well 13 years ago was the start of my connection with technology and Consciousness I realize that now reflecting back because in that dream journey and isolation I came out of that we call them deetta’s I called him so much Journeys and out of that three months you know one might expect you and I are I love myself and I found God or if you know found my purpose in life what I asked that came out of that Journey with was the importance of finding a way to bridge traditional Shamanism with contemporary technology and that for me to be in the world and actually thrive in the simplest way what I needed was my iPhone in one hand and my pipe into back one another and with those two technologies I would be able to to learn how to reconnect with the soul of technology so so then I didn’t think much of it at the time but really then it led me to the second Energy Center and all-around sexuality and sensuality I did my PhD research on that and when it’s my own Journey around that piece of of my healing that needed to happen and then was serving as a counselor and a Healer around sexuality and psychedelics which maybe cuz I was speaking at Horizons in New York on the on my research study and that’s what I met in 2013 the sum of the blockchain folks and one of them in particular who is hosting me we became good friends and he led me into the folks who actually work Hill from the co-founders of aetherium in the start-up projects that were happening in your cat at that time is pretty early 2013-2014 and I can’t I didn’t think much of think much of the technology I just didn’t have that background so I couldn’t understand it but was fascinating is through my serving in an offering psychedelic Journeys Inn in South America to these folks in the blockchain world I was actually able to see how the mechanism of this technology in ceremony so my first taste of it was actually seen it you know hallucinating or altered state and seeing the connection somehow the minds of these blockchain folks are so strong I think it generally in the tech world that it was such a was so invigorating and an exciting because that I could actually asked him to show me you know quantum physics and mathematical equation I could see it and so then okay that I went to you no more of the written information and actually learning about the code and and seeing how and if practical way they would this information was being ground within the blockchain technology and then all the incredible positives that came out of this technology could be the foundation of a whole new like paradigm shift in the way that values is exchanged so that was really exciting to me and you know this this took me a good for years to learn I’m a slow learner and one way but I also like to learn deeply so I was learning it experientially and then your written material talking to a lot of the blockchain founders of Neo various companies and then he knows Tina and action and actually you know getting some of these apps and in learning me know what they can actually do and going to a lot of conferences watching Converses and and that just got really caught up in just the excitement you know this is a space that is just draws a lot of innovative minded future thinkers and innovators and you know just a sense of camaraderie and supporting each other and I couldn’t believe how welcomed I was as coming from academics in healing they they respected me and I respected them and I was able to learn how to you no make that bridge from my world to their worlds and really getting excited about the exchange of our information and so I just was seduced by I not only they technology but the people that were drawn to it and the dedication to changing our our economic Paradigm & in the way that we set up all kinds of you know housing and you know land and food and it is just so incredible so you know here we are 5 years later and I’m still right in the mix of it and you’re really excited now about virtual reality and Ai and how that can be bridged into the ceremonial space that’s that’s my journey so far in NFL well that was so amazing and I just was having chills and I could just cinematically follow along and when you got to the point of when you said you were able to see how the technology Works in ceremony that was so deeply moving and so beautiful because it’s such a multi-dimensional phenomenon and if in it’s so multi-layered into to appreciate I think I I made this comment to a friend is all it was a very very high level developer in his face and he and I I just made a joke in a recent podcast with him I said the Bitcoin makes Bitcoin makes crop circles looks like look like a play school set you know in terms of the degree of multidimensionality that goes into it and it is it is such a I mean and Andreas Antonopoulos recently and in one of his podcast video presentations and interviews he he said that when he read the Bitcoin first year of the Bitcoin white paper but then when you actually read the code it was for him basically like a symphony and he was brought to tears when he could understand the genius of it and it’s so apt for a for psychedelic journey to be able to ask for this for this field of of wisdom and information and Math and Science and Technology and code for it to just presented itself and dance in your mind for you in that place of ceremony where anything’s possible anything can be visualized and so I just think that is so beautiful on the inside knowing that you also this is really mind-blowing for me to knowing that you have this I wasn’t aware so much so basically we had already been talking and both of us had had this sort of like part of our subconscious basically beginning to be initiated into the space but we weren’t really because it wasn’t of our direct backgrounds it wasn’t an instant sort of I guess it didn’t click instantly for me I was explain how work and I thought it was cool and I was like yeah that’s internet money for anarchists that’s awesome you know but I wasn’t an investor I wasn’t a coder and it took a while once I went through you know the second Energy Center sexuality and and it was beat the psychedelics it actually showed me the importance of myself dropping my energy down into the first root Center where you no money safety you know security that whole place at a lot of healers you know maybe feel uncomfortable in or don’t have the opportunity to be in that often that I was able to really staying in this Center and part of it was that I was getting paid in crypto you know years ago from some of my clients who are you know the pioneers and in blockchain and I didn’t understand what that meant at the time I was like okay I guess they’re very kind and helping me open up my first Bitcoin wallet etcetera and I didn’t even understand it at the time and effort to understand it because you know what that meant for me and how to do the exchanges and things like that so I started off and makes it more The Surreal level of the fit if you say mathematics and physics and seeing how matters to me is a version of God of that Godlike energy and seeing how it comes down into the code it is beautiful really need and you see it yeah I totally agree and you know that I don’t know if you how big of a Terrence McKenna fan you are thinking of becoming more of a Dennis McKenna fan over the years but something that I loved about so endearing to me about about a lot of his talks was when he talked about the feminine Spirit of internet technology and how excited he was that we would be able to eventually use things like VR to give people immersive training or sort of it be able to create a visual language like the Ayahuasca experience where we could start to really understand each other better through through a universal language that is symbolic but also based on objects and colors in math and it to me this is such a fulfillment of that feminine Force coming through a lot of people who are you know he would always say that you go to a Silicon Valley startup office and it’s all these microdosing you know acid heads with hair down to their ass and I’d like to hear I know there was a time when you were when you were when you were starting to talk about Silicon Valley and bringing the medicine the same to you go and bring the medicine to those who are really reshaping reality from that level of of power of Technology do you want to just talk more about maybe without disclosing anything confidential of course just some of the some of the before and afters you’ve had the makeovers that you’ve had with some of the tech Geeks and how they’ve how they’ve been able to be massaged by that the medicine Spirits have become to Adorn one of them did gently say to me if they feel it’s not a lie to myself that is that a techie kid learning to love that part in myself and and and also honoring that you know every person is different in their enemies that divers field and that there are some common patterns that I have seen and the fact that I was given the directions psychedelics to serve a particular Community around the you know very influential and Powerful leaders in the text field that I’ve been able to track and and see how they actually lead differently in and really the the number one thing is the realization that the transformation is starts with the inner transformational journey and so even having the giving themselves that time you know few days it’s you sink into a different space in their mind right so it’s not like I have a container and say okay everyone thinking about your project Source. You know you know this go back to your family history and I want you to cry or something not at all what I was seeing is that the synthesis the stamina in the dedication in the Brilliance of these of these folks and that it really good-hearted people and that they were passionate about what they were doing and giving their mind that’s almost like the ceremonial space giving their mind a space to allow other information that may not be in their Consciousness you know at the time she come through and that’s where you hear about folks you know even the microdosing folks if they go to Peru and sit with Anna Ayahuasca Circle and I you know ask a question of it a problem that they’ve had you know mathematical equation or some something on their project they can’t quite figure out and that giving up space to have the different kind of intelligence guide them in in discovering a piece of the puzzle and so I find that you know when in general folks being very compassionate and curious and how these intelligence come together the other thing is in terms of their leadership is that once they are hard intelligence because that’s really a lot of the psychedelics the sacred psychedelics are helping us to tap into that heart energy into once they are in love energy seeing that the influence that makes and how they engage with their team member so you know more of a knowledgement that is it you know they’re all together in this project and higher level and it really honoring people for where they’re at in the heart of leadership is is learning how to inspire people to grow within the company within their teams within the project until having more patients and you know seeing the bigger picture so it’s not all about profit and yes of course I’m surprised and seeing that if if there’s a dedication to the why of their company and of the people that are there then that why and the purpose of the collective purpose actually creating more success and inflow with within the within the company so that’s one pattern also that I’ve seen Etsy the other that the third one is is around these texts Psychonauts of the learning how to bridge technology and spirituality which is always been one of my big passions and I didn’t really know how it so they’ve taught me a lot and in how this connection can unveil itself and in many ways and then coming from their religious background or spiritual background and then how they think of of math and in quantum physics in relation to a fascist like it blows my mind you know when they’re talking to me about this cell this Ray this field of the interplay between the Divine and the and form and structure and yeah I didn’t mean to cut you out there to say I wanted to make that mention so please continue the inner transformation and their their passion and purpose and then the second with the love more love and compassion for all the teams and and then that the more philosophical connection here that those those really stand out for me folks that were with me five years ago are still with me so I actually am able to track you know connect with the Divine or connect with the love Center I mean it cuz it’s not that simple everyone is sort of you’re learning a different piece and and so really what I love to do is trade space that people can share these pieces with each other and in how that actually informs that transition for their next step you know when whatever fits a personal life or professional life but it is still fascinating to me and I’m so very you know intimately woven in with with the baseballs beautiful well knowing now even more haven’t you said all of this which is so beautiful and invigorating and exciting and I just I’m so I’m so glad we’re just In This Moment having this conversation because it has been I feel like I’m it’s been extremely painful and in in triggering for me to to look at the shadow of what’s happening in this in this space which is you know I’m going to ask you to bear with me for a minute while I kind of organize my thoughts on how to how to bring this Dimension to the conversation in a in a good way I’m going to Omit using that the names of any individuals that I will not going to call anybody out or or put any putting it in the spotlight to anyone but but it’s it’s what would what I can see if we step back from from a more shamanic perspective is that there is a in absolute crisis of hyper toxic masculine Behavior that’s creating these extremely almost mythical an archetypal Wars of the Gods and end DIYs always think it’s a play on words to think about how Davis and Davies in in the in and they can talk about the devil’s right so there is it’s almost like The Vedic battles in the sky to me these genius mathematicians cryptographers programmers and them their armies of now the Speculator there’s all these high frequency trading robot armies that are trolling the warring factions and so it’s kind of like if you were to open The Vedas and you see them describing these battles of cities in Disguise and all of his alien foreign hyper advanced technology and the sort of drama playing out and the people on Earth are watching this drama and just trying to trying to create some record of it and most of it is just completely unintelligible to them cuz it’s so far out and so Advanced and almost seems like there’s just this war of the AstroWorld coming down and and duking it right above Earth dropping debris from that that Astro Battlefield and things just like falling on people’s heads and then people just scratching their heads trying to make sense of it so you have the bestest what’s coming to my mind when I think about these these programmers and their projects and their their Venture funding and all of these different puppeteers of technology in this battle between open source and closed source and regulated and unregulated in public and private blockchain Jaden and if it would it would it all is sort of sort of this rhyme of history is just these patriarchal warlord and we would calm just really do she really kind of integrated uninvolved masculine guys who are who are gorgeous and I’m just they’re just getting more and more narcissistic and sociopathic and they’re tweeting and and the technology of social media creates this really kind of Twisted Echo chamber and when I when I bring this up sometimes people will say of you know you’re trying to use psychedelics in ceremony and Shamanism as a Panacea and you know it’s not a magic pill and you know but I just keep saying like I think I need to hear these men do that family work and be brought into a ceremony where do certainly the ones that are that are just creating like threatening to just nuclear meltdown of all the cryptos in the opposing camps and just using their stashes of Mega you know stashes of of Bitcoin to flood the market and to manipulate as tactical that what they call the hash worse but that just happened in probably the hash words just knocked bitcoin price and 1/2 they’re just waving around these lightsabers and in in digging into the charts and and I one waiting for the sort of like trumpeting angels to come in and bring in the Davies you know the akalis in a Durga is going to come in and start grabbing these These are is Zeno by the by the Scruff of their neck and in and actually intervene so I’m wondering I know that’s a lot but anybody who is his familiar with yoga Tantra me all the scriptures that the talk about these epic battles or even from the Western perspective that the mythical Gods fighting you know this is not new and what seems to be the promise of the Shakti movement of Tantra and the Psychedelic feminist movements coming out of their group that you’re involved with there’s got to be some maternal wisdom brought to these boys and their toys you know so that she take it from there I totally resonate with this the Epic War analogy because it is real is that I’ve been to blockchain conferences and meetups in cities all over the states and and you’re up and and what really carries me through and I feel so fortunate somehow I have this eternal optimism and I certainly see the shadow I see the darkness 10 gauge with it and I’m still very optimistic and I think it’s really in my own connection with the sacred psychedelics in that they’re continually I feel like they got my back and they’re continually raising me up and and encouraging me and motivating me a stay steady with in the turmoil and I feel like for a lot of us and probably folks listening that this is part of our role is to learn how and these These are at War like an energy battle that we are centered and we emanate that that love and not always loving everyone per se you know that’s around us and in this these toys with our boys with toys and I do feel I can honestly say neutral when I meet them and I and I just said luck and I just what I’m doing is I’m like an anthropologist and I’m watching am seeing how they’re engaging with the but that the people around them and I start where people are at right so when I’m speaking to some of these folk is not like I think he would be good for you to do family systems work and come to this you know come to Peru like I would never say that I start or people are at I’m like what motivates you right now and you know once the trust his is built by and continually is is building and there’s a softening that happened so you know for me in 5 years in and I I do believe that there is a beautiful sense of respect for each other and trust this building and I’m watching where this energy takes us play so I what I can get really involves is the patience and perseverance and faith and that this is you know way bigger than me I’m being in service and being directed by these other intelligences along with my own you don’t be Discerning and where to actually Channel my energy and then I’m patient and it’s been tough you know I really wanted to get into some of these blockchain meetings and and I have actually is sometimes I’m like okay let’s talk about the let’s talk about how you know the technology is actually had of our human consciousness level as well as our laws right so you know how can we catch those pieces up to the level that technology to actually maximize the benefit of it and then you know how can we actually expire is that Founders and CEOs and and developers to to build that projects that are noble that have elevated intentions that that is a sense of good for all I do feel it’s possible yeah I totally agree I Kevin this is the most thrilling and exciting development in my entire life for sure if not in the history of the battle of Good and Evil on Earth that’s I really feel like it and you can see it it brings out the best and can sometimes bring out the worst but but really even those who would be considered more more super villains now in the space the lot of them started out as Jedis training humbly with Yoda it you know so they all have that imprint of that desire to do good eyebrows really very few people who I think are are fundamentally irredeemable I mean I don’t know if I feel better that way about anybody in the darker the shadow is the more potential there is to bring that medicine from those places so I agree with you and then I fly it’s I guess it’s easy for me to say or easier for me to say in some senses because I am a white mostly cis-male and so I don’t experience some of the author of out of the exclusion and in sometimes bigotry but at least at least Prejudice and you know it was through the women in crypto track at the crypto invest Summit in La last year that I discovered things like there’s only four percent of female CEOs in the US at least and then only 2% of venture funding goes to women Founders and that studies have proven that female executives are more profitable so whether you’re a feminist or not you’re leaving money on the table if you’re in any kind of a position of power in the business world in the investment world to not be creating more balance in in that in that space so I guess I’d like to ask psychedelic feminism Financial feminism women in crypto women in blockchain do you find yourself a building strong Sisterhood networks in circles amidst all of the other boys with toys as he said to align myself with very brilliant women in the field and be there and so we’re learning with each other and what’s just so inspiring is that some of these clients who are in their late 20s early 30s forging ahead and they sell I don’t know how they do it but they just have this determination and and also feminine ways of going through these hurdles in their in their workplace and them in the company’s and let me know some of them Founders and dealing with the hiring of a lot of that males and and and how that that plays out in the power struggles and they just they have such Grace and I just witness them you know managing it all in a way that’s it really inspiring and stay and then when they’re also going through these psychedelic Journeys I see that they just become more and somebody’s determined and focused and incompetent and and you know they’re also patients over time I see them gain their respective of their colleagues and you take a couple years of storming and and then there’s this is kind of settling that happens and so I I am extremely inspired by the women in blockchain in particular and just wants to be in service to them in any way I can so that they can continue to forge ahead also well on that note I would say we should definitely spend the rest of this our here just having you tell us all about more in detail what it is that you provide and what you’re offering and what your projects are now we got I think this was a good sort of philosophical overview and Andre connection for you and me to to get to get caught up in the space but I really would like to hear more and maybe we can also I guess we can go for as long as you are available at today and in this timeframe to talk about your projects and introduce what you’re doing with your hair with your new your new Ventures and and really make this more of a of a promotional pitch for the remainder promotional pitch for me that’s it really exciting right now is I would love to connect with folks who are working in the VR AI space and are interested in psychedelics not only interested but wanting to create platforms where people can engage in these different fields at virtually and so I know it’s happening I am in San Francisco right now I’m going to meet some some folks in the field tonight and for anyone who’s listening that I would just appreciate a shout out and I’m please connect with me that info info a 10.1 i n n e r o n e because I I really interested in collaborating I would love to work on a team whether it’s already clean a project that’s happening right now or someone wants start one I just have so many ideas about how this could coming to that material in the world and I know a lot of folks in the you know blockchain developers as well as healing practitioners and really wanting to be a bridge between these worlds in and connect folks who can contribute to a project like this so that’s my first pitch in terms of concrete offerings right now I think my two favorite people in the world now that had I met through the blockchain space are this Penelope and America they are the Cyber code Twins and their East LA born and raised Latina women in Tech who have taken the World by storm they’ve got TED Talks they have been winning hackathons and they have I think one of the things they developed together with second virtual reality drug and alcohol rehabilitation immersive experience for people who can’t afford to go to like Celebrity Rehab and that’s one application I don’t know what their personal interest is necessarily in psychedelic Shamanism however they seem to be very open-minded and they are 8 leaving One Like a White House award or something like that they’re just absolutely storming the charts of the women in crypto and I’ll send you a link to one of their TED talks but yeah I know that there it would probably be really good allies in that and not space I just wanted to mention them and then yeah go on please continue practical way the internet is offering three different project and the 1st is out there called dinner one Retreats and so these are live 225 day Retreats held in beautiful places for folks to get back to their vital bodies and be rejuvenated by nature to these are wellness retreats and you know cluding Mayo massage and Sound by sand yoga and meditation life coaching and team-building exercises and then some of the in South America do include Ayahuasca and someone Mexico include psilocybin so those are those Retreats and then there is an online program it’s called zero to one building blocks to Wellness and it is I was here I consider it more of like a integration platform for people so that they can continue harvesting the the fruit of what comes out of these lab Retreats or vice a versa can be a good preparation for Allegra tree and it’s focusing on daily Wellness practices and it’s interesting after how many years in the Psychedelic world I’ve actually gone back to the basics and I feel that you know it’s wonderful to be in a journey and see all kinds of amazing things and we still are in bodies in this lifetime in this earth and that I’m going back to you what we are drinking and eating our sleeping near so many books speakers that focus on this and a night it’s because it’s so essential it’s in so really the program going back to the basics and I just reminding us to be but I guess being mindful of our daily practices so that’s the 0 to 1 and then there’s another piece that is it’s actually new and it’s it’s pretty exciting I’m working with a group in Europe and it’s called Legacy Ventures and we’re going to be offering Retreats that actually is facilitated by many different facilitators and shamans from around the world and and so I’m just one of them one of many and offering Retreats on the difference element so have a 1 focus on fire and having fire ritual what does that mean in our lives and in her a lot of these folks are in our Business Leaders CEOs and and then another Retreat focus on the water and the Earth in the air and then that sacred Center so that’s just starting this year and it’s it’s really exciting for me to be cooperative with other leaders and also I just opening up to the European folk sand and feeling so what is that like and what are they wanting these days and then see the parallels in the differences between the United States and Canada and Mexico so that. In a nutshell is what I’m up to you for this year that is so amazing what we do a push-up real needs everything you’re doing now more than ever and I’m just so thrilled I feel like I’m reading a comic book or something in your just the new Marvel comic book superhero in this of swords and in just adding these new new levels of armor and magic and Empower I can just see I see the the sort of thing I get a better sense of the multi-dimensional warrior Goddess that you have just become an indigenous is so exciting to me to tell me more folks who I don’t have to run into a brick wall trying to explain the the seriousness the timeliness the importance the relevance the you know it’s really really demoralizing and sometimes heartbreaking for me when I get stonewalled it’s not about it’s not about losing out on the opportunity 4000 X Games it’s about losing out on the under this will be some I see it is one of the most rare opportunities in the history of political discourse certainly political economic discourse where the radical libertarian and some people would like to use the word left anymore but definitely from the the libertarian to the anarchist perspective this is one of the first time ever that anything from these camps actually became not just mainstream but was so Superior that it was subversive as a side effect of its superiority to the to the to the disorder let me know Malcolm and Malcolm X I believe said something like if you want it over to the system you have to create a better one system but make the old system obsolete is really what it comes down to so I love it when people talk about the Legacy banking system and the Legacy voting system and it’s like we’re already in this Ann turkel crypto Anarchist future where people from Wall Street are defecting enjoying the Occupy Wall Street movement and bringing their bags of capital with them and you know I love people like I will say the name of Joe Lubin I think he is one of my most beloved and endear real shining examples of coming from a feminine place of problem solving and team building in and you see how his Vibe is really impenetrable to all of the pickings and and browbeating is of the progressive alt masc so cheers to him and into the others and Andria’s and other people who keep out of the drama so yeah before I go too far off into the weeds I want to thank you so much again in to see if you would like to share your your website links and maybe if you would if you have time to just give us a bit of a closing meditation that that brings us all together those who were cryptophobia can those who are crypto douchiest and everything in between let’s let’s all make space for each other around this fire. One i n n e r o n e and email is info at in and either myself or my members will respond as soon as we can definitely look forward to connecting with some of you listening now I know that there’s Brilliance all around us and it’s a matter of coming together and matching are our gifts together okay so in terms of thinking of our energies I invite everyone to receive a deep breath then I’ll land here together and reflecting on all this information that has been shared and inviting you to feel in your body where does this information land for you how are you feeling is there an a butterfly’s is your mind buzzing butterflies in the belly butterflies in the heart what’s with activated for you and breathing in is energy and I asked if you’re willing to commit 21 action step spell connecting with you know how you’re feeling right now are you feeling at your best at your most joyful place in this moment in this conversation and then are you committed to an action step that will actually Manifest this feeling and you are unique Vision in the world is taking a minute be very simple drinking more water and it could be very big like asking the sacred psychedelic that you next connect with is it for you anything in between what’s one action step you’re willing to commit to you within the next seven days that will feed nurture your essential contribution in this world then yourself and externally with in the world mache beautiful Williston I just want to say Dad don’t be a stranger please please keep me posted and in the anything that’s coming up any new developments that you want to share even if it’s just a little Clipper Sound by three segments you always feel always free to a to send me anything or to Anna to take to come back on the show I think you were definitely in good company with the other folks who have to drive me on this journey if I explain this material and yeah it’s it’s it’s a real joy to to have met and you know I’m just thinking back into the feeling back into the origin story of how you and I connected in the place that I was in in the what would I resonated with you and the sort of healing journey in the wounded healer journey and now and it’s like look at us now you know we have survived and we’re driving and that’s great so I acted with and also the listeners and one thing anyone who’s still listening if you’ve made it this far. I guess you were the ones that were meant to share this because I forgot to say that one of the newer Evolutions in terms of offerings for those that are in sit-in microdosing sacred psychedelics or plants and trees in your backyard and I also please reach out to me because there is a a new wave of a Soma Journey ask I’m going to be available for folks in Indy pinning into the microdosing practice that’s become so popular these days so that’s awesome alright well you’ll either thank you so much again this is a beautiful experience as usual and I look forward to the next time and you have a wonderful talk tonight and wonderful rest of your weekend and we’ll be in touch, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological and play single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or emo band at contrabands. 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What a Shaman Sees In the Souls of Mobile App Millenials with Christina Pratt TPP191

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Christina Pratt picIn this episode I’m joined again by one of my most revered shamanic practitioner Christina Pratt, this time for a discussion about the effects of social media and other mobile apps on the development of the psyche and soul. She shares a wealth of insights into the multi-dimensionality of the issues and provides guiding lights of hope for how we can be in right relationship with our techno toys and tools.

We both share a sense of deep appreciation for the ancient technology that is the natural human imagination stimulated by nature, direct contact with the spirit world, and the experience of spoken story.

Please visit her websites at:
http://whyshamanismnow.org/
http://lastmaskcenter.org/

About Christina:
Thirty years ago with, a full cosmology of spirit help, Christina, brought forward The Cycle of Transformation, an extremely challenging, four-year training in the shamanic skills needed to create the New World in our time. She is the founder and primary shamanic healer at Last Mask Center (www.lastmaskcenter.org) in Portland, Oregon and the author of the two-volume set, An Encyclopedia of Shamanism.  Christina’s international, live-Internet radio show, Why Shamanism Now, offers over 350 hours of free podcasts on the practical application of shamanism in the archives at (www.whyshamanismnow.com).

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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township hunt podcast episode 191 I’m being joined Again by Christina Pratt who is one of my greatest most respected heroes in the shamanic community and a very prolific author and educator and practitioner and has training programs and and lots of amazing things that that I hope to Avail myself with some point in the future for now I’m just a big fan of her podcasts and MC bless this podcast back on episode number 125 but I was called demystifying the mechanisms of shamanic healing and it was a great intro to her personal background and her work and we got into some really core foundational Concepts within shamanic healing and I feel like that’s a really one of my favorite episodes of please do go back and listen to that for reference to Cristina’s work in more detail and to give a bit of a context for why we’re speaking again now a really it the inclination I had to reach out to her again to do another podcast it came within a couple of days of when I pretty much deleted all of the social social media applications from my phone and could give myself a real juxtaposition of how rigged up my nervous system had become an is addictive dopamine cycles of refreshing thing clicking on things and trying to keep up with the Joneses and on social media and how just absolutely perverse it felt and how Aunt it’s antithetical to my my values my deeper core values is like from deep ecology and Ann turkel primitivism in Neo luddism and things that were a lot easier to attach to as as political ideologies before everybody sort of got pushed and sucked into this this hyper cyber eyes the Internet connected world that over the last 20 it’s just sort of been this creeping phenomenon and so with his breath of fresh air I said all I got it I’ve got to ask Christina Christina to come on and talk about what a shamanic perspective from her perspective would be really more of a multidimensional perspective on what’s happening to our souls and what’s happening to the fragmentation of ourselves as we get sucked into these networks and then they betray us and all of the sort of issues that are coming up around humans relating human sexuality human self-esteem and answer character building and all these things I’m sure I just knew she would have a lot to say about it and so I’m excited to to have you back Christina and thank you for joining us again and if you would please give us one of your beautiful kind of incantation introductions help us get censored in the moment so we can look straight to look at these these issues from a good place alright alright engine tations alrighty then take a nice deep breaths and bring your awareness into your mind and another nice deep breath and sink your awareness into your heart and another nice deep breath and exhale and sync your awareness down into your belly and from your belly imagine your ability to reach down deeply into the center of the earth as if you were a lotus flower floating upon upon your little lily pad with your stem reaching down into the center of the earth and connecting deeply into the Earth and drawing up nourishment and Rejuvenation from the Earth and then without rising up and out of your head let’s just stay here in our bodies and let your awareness rise up that stand into the leaf of a lily and into the flowers of this Lily and as as the Lily that you are just opens here radiant and resplendent in your your simple beautiful blossoming Beauty allow the Rays of the Sun or perhaps you prefer the Rays of the Moon perhaps Starlight let this energy come down and touch your pedals and your lily pad and let yourself be open and receiving of the radiant energy from above and then just allow yourself as these above energies bra in the blessing and protection and the below energy straw up your nourishment and Rejuvenation that these energies kind of mix and merge there in that flower let that flower be present in your own belly I’m with another nice deep breath just have a sense of reaching out to the energies around us that we are here in a world that is alive with Spirits many many different kinds of spirit energies or life-force energy has many different frequencies however you want to think about it and just let yourself be present in this world relationship to other things and yet aware of where you end and these other things begin let that radiant Lily that you are have it space and be sure that you feel strong in yourself to take that space to show up to be here to take space be present in your life and to come into an even closer knowing of why you’re here what has value and meaning in your life and make sure that you lived this day in a way that serves those things that have purpose and meaning and value to your own thank you so much for that that was a beautiful a beautiful Journey I’ve been in the journey Space 2 degree now thank you for taking us there and I guess I’d like to ask there’s a couple of a couple of aspects one would be your personal thoughts and musings on just the evolution of communications technology throughout your life experience and acceleration and just your your lens on on that on that process and then and then we can talk about hopefully what in your practice working with people what you’re seeing is sort of the the case studies of people who are struggling with the the rapid acceleration of these Technologies and I’m curious like what’s showing up on your caseload so to speak and your classes whether it’s your clients are your students what you’re observing within the next Generation as as younger people are really being formed and shaped by the stick by the technologies that we can talk about how does that sound podcast and the way in which listeners who took it seriously many of them because I guess they felt they needed to that was that lonely person on the you know oil rigs in Alaska are some sort of cracking place or somewhere where they’re really frustrated with the situation that they’re in and they feel alone there in it being able to reach out to podcasts like yours like mine and to receive some sort of Lifeline that could keep their soul alive in these sometimes remote I’m sometimes not necessarily remote but some of Solace places that people can find themselves few days and people took some of these shows and frankly some of them did more with a sequence of podcast and some of my students doing my for your truck really interesting letters from different people I won’t go into all the details with the point of all of that was they taught me that we can use the technology in a good way and then when we do that it’s it can be a Lifeline to people and so that’s really inspired me to be willing to explore and not just say this is ridiculous why are we bothering would be really easy for me to say so so that’s the first Pieces Just Two recognizing that technology isn’t a replacement for what we don’t have it extends what we do have that’s how I tend to think about it so the podcast for example extend my reach as a teacher to to speak to people but also even Define people to resonate as student to that piece of information that’s shared in that podcast is that the same as studying with me for four years of course not but doesn’t mean it’s not a thing in its own right and so so the podcast allows that extension of the teaching eye because of the podcast and the audience that created I I took a step into teaching some of the things that I teach in online classes and online classes allow me to teach incrementally in a more natural whey versus always sees intensive download experiences when you come for a weekend or week and do everything all at once and still allows for a more organic step by step learning experience and so there’s even some advantages from the online learning and so these are just two examples of using the technology that is present and in a sense if I use the teaching example I didn’t really start doing it until the technology evolve to making it easy for us to offered live so that there could be alive components cuz that’s the piece that’s always what we already are it can be a great value where we use it to create something we aren’t or to spill avoid in our lives or to create something that we don’t already have we enter into a more addictive or codependent relationship with the technology or simply using the technology amplifier false self which we do a good enough job on our own we don’t need amplifier problem so so a lot of it then boils down to what is our relationship with technology and how are we using it and are we educating ourselves around the technology itself so so that to me is kind of the key place of being in right relationship with it now if we take that it just a step further make a circle back if you want to but a step further is recognizing that in Shamanism we actively engaged in in making the our relationships with everything around us real mean Shamanism is based in animism everything around is alive with its own kind of life force and that the way for us to be in the world respectfully is to is to honor and recognize those other life forces and do our best to be in relationship with them and there’s a series of podcast with Kelly Harrell is another amazing practitioner in North Carolina and shamanic practitioner and she and I have been talking about the influence masses of humanity can have on larger spirits so we’re particularly talking about spirits of the culture and of the land and of different places in this but the the gist of those conversations was the realization that our life isn’t sort of the way it’s presented through core Shamanism like the spirit world is this fixed thing and we can go visit there and basically no matter how we trash around we won’t break anything but what Kelly and I were saying is that that’s not what we’re experiencing and exploring in these toxins that that’s not really real that we are in relationship with the invisible world and that over time it is possible for us unintentionally or intentionally to begin to influence it in other words we can play very heavily on an energy in our environment to the degree that that energy in our environment eventually morphs or adjust in some way to to respond to our sort of giving it a responsibility that it isn’t supposed to have in so my point in bringing that up because it really speaks to how Humanity in its worst manifestations affects the world around us even those energies we would go to to seek help to get out of our worst manifestations you know so that should put a raise people’s red flag and there are there awareness of we don’t really have the luxury to be as messed up as we want to be for as long as we want to be taking as many lifetimes as we want to learn how to be a good human we really need to get with the program so that’s my little subjects there but the point of technology is what I what I realized after these calls with Kelly and I are the podcast with Charlie I thought oh wait a minute Christina you are in relationship with the spirit of technology in a bigger and bigger way in your life and in your work as weird as that is given that all of your work is Shamanism you need to get right with your in your relationship with the spirit of Technology and as I was getting ready to do the first online class I really saw clearly up our object for the spirit of technology and each of my classes We Begin by acknowledging the spirit of technology and asking it to support us but also asking it to grow up with us asking it to come it’s a young or our current technology that you and I are specifically talking about technology like a hammer or a Wheel Technologies electronic mostly computer-based internet-based Technologies is a relatively new and so they’re kind of Adolescent and they don’t really know if you think about it as a spirit it doesn’t really know who it is yet and that if we could come to it intentionally and with you know real Spears love and our heart and help to to grow it up as we might grow up a adolescent child with incredible power and really ask the spirit of technology to work with us to find out how it takes its place in the web of life as something that supports the web of life now we are not very good at that either right we’re kind of a pain in the existence of the web of life right now on the planet and it pretty big way and so in a sense we both need to grow up humanity and Technology need to grow up to understand how to how to take their rightful place in that Web of Life in a way that supports all life and I think technology could do that you’re back to me puts me in this really hopeful place of creativity and possibility and I think well how can I be involved in doing that and it in it puts me in a much better relationship with technology than a place I can get into very easily which is wanting to throw it across the room that’s not a very healthy mature relationship you want to throw things he is really recognizing that we aren’t just like guns right we are not talking about the thing itself being the problem but what we are doing with it the relationship that we are in with it is it another platform for us to express our power irresponsibly or is it an opportunity for me to express my power with responsibility alright well thank you so much for that discourse in I tend to agree and I really like that you were bringing the word Spirit to it a lot of people who would consider that to be or to new age or something would would cringe at the notion of or even people who are within the more sort of stereotypically spiritual and if things would say all know Tech is so lifeless and Solace and but really it’s a it’s an expression of human creativity so it’s almost like that that sort of semantic game of is anything unnatural because it came from nature kind of a thing so so I do from a domestic perspective I appreciate we can’t I mean it would be I think pretty foolish to deny that there are spiritual energies and intelligences around all of our inventions and if it’s not just the embodiment for the imbuing of that person’s intention into something that is to put his that is not no longer biological or if it’s kind of also something you’re saying about I mean what I’m seeing just thinking about it is that we’re creating all of our actions thoughts dreams inventions Technologies they’re creating some sort of dynamic relationship with the Unseen World and they’re the living astral plane and so we may be creating these certainly if these tickets if some of these social media apps are causing extreme unprecedented levels of teen suicide than there are entities that are crowding around these opportunities to hack and mess with and opportunistically take advantage of these new reached astral bodies if you will I don’t know if that’s so if you want to go in that direction but I think it would be great to talk more about this Dynamic interplay that you’re touching on between how we it’s not just like this that we are totally separate from the other side or the Ethereal plane but they’re actually were in a dynamic with them and we may be altering them and pull them anyway so those are my words but I love to hear what you have to say that continue that thread interesting when people in their spiritual lives in basically commit the same errors that they would accuse you know academics are politicians of making but because it’s in the service of their spirituality somehow it’s not a problem that I don’t have spirit I don’t I don’t know there was any human being who does know like that so interesting ly what is it called human-centric which always gives us in trouble I think there’s a really funny moment in a podcast with David Franklin Farkas on that he has a guest and he’s talking about working with space he does a lot of work with space and space clearing and he was talking about really just how he discovered that everything has spirit and he cuz he was of the same mind that certain things didn’t but he really discovered as he did works at that was really kind of a foolish and naive perspective and she has this really funny thing about talking to the spirit of a microwave oven because he’s responding about the qualities of that Spirit you go yeah that’s a microwave that’s not a puppy you know anyway so my point about all of this is that we really need to be aware of the nature of our relationships with things so first for example to understand that designers of apps for our phones that. The operating principle is you want to design an app that is the first thing a person does when they wake up and the last thing they do when they go to bed and it feels you know the time in between okay that’s like creating a designer drug and I don’t mean a drug for shamanic you know spiritual experience I mean a drug to get people hooked so you make money and so part the thing about using these things is we need to be educated intelligent consumers me to have healthy boundaries as we need to have with all other advertising me in and the problem with being a kid using these things is they’re not there yet and so we as the adults need to figure out how are we managing that role in the lives of our children which I already just now I’m rolling my eyes because there’s a whole lot about our role as adults that we’re not managing in the lives of our children are not even supervised anymore University doing a training and University students from all over the world it was really exciting environment to be in and out at mealtime the kids tended to sit with their friends from their own country and whatever training programme Rihanna whatever and was very interesting to see the difference culturally with these kids that were mostly like High school-age kids and their phones are certain cultures no funds on the table everybody’s talking and laughing and you know just this side of a food fight and you know enjoying each other and then other cultures wherever it was absolutely everybody is on their phone just eating the mindlessly eating and looking at what’s on your phone I was very culturally specific sad but also really interesting to realize that there are places in the world that are way healthier than we are 17 different kinds of coffee you can have in the morning but they don’t have them are just not addicted to them cuz they have different cultural standards but yeah you you’re absolutely right in that you know our kids do learn to do what we do not what we say I am so it’s really hard to enforce some sort of boundaries around your phone use when you’re on your phone at dinner too turn in restaurant all the time soon as the people who would say that I guess it’s not it’s not you don’t have to be Ted Kaczynski to have a critique of of these things that that everyone can witness and the articles in mainstream obviously magazines and what not and I always just leading up to this conversation I was thinking about how trying to just take myself mentally in a time machine back before there were back before people had this before cell phones are ubiquitous and and I was fully grown at adult before cell phones even the so-called dumb phones where you could barely text message even before that and it was just knew you would someone was home or they weren’t home and so that would determine your plans for the night or if you’re going to do a delivery you’re going to use a Thomas Brothers guide to figure out what you’re going in life was a lot slower and and into some degree I would say more more pleasant and more interconnected and if you wanted to have a good time you had to kind of earn it and work for it and go out and and be forced to go out forced to go find places where people are gathering and sewed I have Nostalgia for that in my lifetime and it’s I guess it’s easy for me to still remember that and have some context on this but even now it says the so-called Millennials or are just the internet natives they say I guess the people who are born into Google and the Google ization of I guess you could call whatever you want but but I feel like it’s it’s almost past say now or it’s cliche to have a to lament maybe not the loss of the golden age before this but certainly lament just the all of the all of the road the increasing in an in an accident on my stuff there’s just so many indicators that are undeniable cisno long is no longer really this contentious debate where you need you know you need to have some extreme radicalism to challenge this stuff but what I what I feel like is missing from from this dialogue is what you would bring as a more shamanic perspective is to what what’s happening if you were to do the cross section of the astral body and the soul and to sort of the United States early to to scare people straight or to shock them although This Bitter from a small degree of a few just a couple few weeks now it’s saying what will this is I feel very violated by my own of all people I should have been I should have known better not to have gotten so sucked into this dysmorphia and his character Distortion of keeping up with the Joneses at a pace that’s just impossible to and you just start to merge with this this device and then you were living in this augmented reality of ranking and scoring and everything is a leaderboard and and so anyway you’re taking a step back from that and I’m and I have to think about how did I know better and what should I know about her and how am I going to not fall into that trap again and so I think about how K now that I have this moment of Sanity I want to sort of build in those healthier adaptive strategies and have more of a sensitivity to what it feels like when you’re being manipulated by your own your own neurochemistry right and that’s just on the the sort of physical print out playing but it but you would want to talk more about Soul loss and what your conception of how the soul Parts get caught up in our cycle dramas in their sexual dramas in in our personality ego structures and just what what you would see from that lends as his what’s happening in America in transition a bit to to what you’re what you’re experiencing if you have to a people away from their their phones when you’re trying to teach them in a class or if you have people coming to you for for care and counseling and and healing who are in mashed and some in this sort of digital Fabric and how it’s affecting their at them at the soul level I think that are important relative what you’re asking the the simpler one in a sense would be you know how do I manage that technology with my students because I do I can think of two students right now absolutely speed Wizards taking their notes on their phone when I can barely read my phone at my age and and in really complex and wonderful ways and that supports their process and so part of that piece is okay here are students to understand they need to not be connected to the internet while they’re doing this but they can certainly use this as a means by which they’re going to take their notes and track what’s going on and that I have to be as a teacher not annoyed by that but they also have to not annoy me by having it make sounds having finding seen that they’re not really listening to me they’re really checking their Facebook page that was that person wouldn’t get a second chance for me to stop like if you were in my class checking your Facebook page instead of paying attention when people write you need to leave cuz you’re not remotely mature enough to be that you can’t not check your Facebook page for 4 hours some people just had a heart attack just so you know if water is the people who just heard that and when they thought they imagined for hours without checking Facebook back to your heart of I think the piece that you’re the missing here is people that have no boundaries with this tool none whatsoever and so this is why this matters mean we can go into it from that way but that’s kind of a long walk let’s take a short pass the short path is this we need to put ourselves in the context of our purpose of our souls reason for being here and to do things in our life that allow us to express our actual reason for being here is what fills our life with meaning and purpose so there is nothing else not on your phone not on Facebook not there is no other substitute not drugs not not relationships not anything that will substitute you bringing yourself into context with your Soul’s purpose and so to the extent that technology just becomes one other way you’re avoiding doing that or Worse creating a false idea that you are your only making the Contemporary issue worse because this is already a huge contemporary issue for people to be able to track who they are and why they’re here now part of that is because they come to their young adults were already in a state of Soul loss and for many many people there so lost does have a certain relationship with their why they’re their purpose and why they’re here so so to been moved from a place that’s already estate of so lost into these false versions of connection of intimacy of intimacy with yourself of trying to find your soul purpose out there by clicking on the surveys and things on the internet all of that is just an ongoing sofa tray and so part of understanding the damage that is being done by the technology is not anything new in the sense that it’s just one more profoundly addictive and distracting way the Contemporary people avoid the personal work required to come to right relationship with their soul and then to maintain that right relationship as a guide in what they choose to do with their lives and their many Millennials who would go look lady I am working three jobs just to try to pay a ridiculously high rent and my phone bill and pay for my marijuana and you know he’s other things that are considered necessary for contemporary life like well I understand that that doesn’t change the fact that you are a soul who chose to inkarnate at this time so these are the challenges that you are choosing to have to deal with just as I chose that is a mile and the fact that the world kind of sucks is not an excuse to not deal with the ways the world sucks and the way that gives you a possibility to either be diverted from your soul purpose or you use the world around you as the raw material to get to your soul purpose and so and so’s purpose isn’t about follow your bliss and have a happy life Soul Purpose is a really challenging way of life that is cultivated but the reason to bother is that it does have deeply Soul satisfying meaning and purpose it makes it gives us a life in which we feel still that’s a human being and we believe that we’ve matter and that’s really what we want and that’s a really challenging thing to create in our Contemporary American world at this time because the culture around you is not encouraging that you do that and even many of the spiritual practices that you would think would be encouraging you to do that or actually encouraging you to follow their rules and to bypass that deep work that would bring you to your own personal uniqueness and unique genius and maybe not be so willing to follow along so the problem with the aspect of Technology you’re talking about is that it’s a light out of context you’re not in contacts with your own soul purpose I would never post anything about as deeply intimate as my sole purpose work on any of the social media platforms is totally inappropriate nobody would so it’s not helping me so so think about it like Google is kind of a wonderful thing it’s wonderful to be able to get pieces of information when you need them as long as it’s accurate which is another issue okay but that information is completely out of context and into the meaning of information changes relative to its context so the meaning of you as a person in the world changes relative to your contacts in your proximity to your Soul’s purpose and so again these activities any addiction drives us away from our purpose because we’re repeating that thing that were addicted to instead of getting at the uniqueness and the innovation of our actual Soul Purpose and so this the piece of the technology that you’re talking about right now create this false idea and for those people that are young and naive and don’t have parents actually modeling something different they don’t even necessarily know it’s a false idea that’s Rudy’s online groups and online activities in all of this stuff that there’s somehow going to create a true sense of the things I have meaning and value to their heart and my experience is that the things that have meaning and value to my heart are not found outside of that context of me as an embodied human in my heart I need to be in the world I need to be connected to people need to be connected to the energies around me and Technology as one of those energies but it can’t take over and spill all of my my porch if you will for connection to other things if it it can’t it can’t be my sole interface with other things unless we’re talking about someone who has some sort of challenge in their life so that technology is literally the only connection to other things right but that’s all she does let some people who would otherwise not be able to connect to connect but really what we’re talking about is people that are addicted to their technology that are not in a relationship with technology and so what is doing then is taking people that are already arriving in their young adult life in a state of Soul Los usually estate of really poor energy body hygiene and worse than that not very clear idea about what is actually going on here energetically as a person in the world and is sold as a lot of huge misinformation and all of that Googling around and traipsing about the internet there’s a lot of really bad as in really inaccurate information and so people are arriving at that place with with scads of bad information around them inaccurate information around them with no skills no ability to discern and then engaging in these platforms that take them even further from their Center and further from the truth and so it’s certainly not helping but it’s also taking that passion that we have in our twenties to find our purpose and do what we have what has real meaning to our heart it burns that passion out so it’s not so much that I see people necessarily more fragmented because of it it’s more that I see people’s fire to do anything about it being frazzled and burned out that I see their focus dispersed that I see there Lerner that’s trying to learn and understand what’s really going on here completely distorted with Vault ideas and really toxic understanding of what it is to be here as a spirit in the world of sleep kind of simple easy to do but simple that’s more my sense is that that via the information we get from these platforms and our engagement in these platforms our own energy structure and our desire and our heartfelt Focus all of these inner qualities that in the past would just in the past what would happen if someone would just go I keep falling into this pattern let me see the heater that can help me deal with this find Charmin get Soul retrieval get Soul Park Bark in a great stop falling into the pattern closer to Soul Purpose mean it was a pretty simple you know here in the physical world action and now people get on really convoluted Pathways before they make it to my door and they’ve done so much greater damage to themselves following those Pathways energetically I mean what I want to make steering is not so much more so long is because there’s already a ton of so lost when I’m experiencing is people who are creating mental illness that they don’t actually have that’s more what I see I’m energetic and mental mental emotional going from a place of mental and emotional discomfort which is pretty typical for someone who’s 18 19 20 years old in America to a place of where they’ve actually gone through mental and wellness mental emotional and wellness into a state of mental illness that they’re now getting Pharmaceuticals for Why does adding a whole nother level of distraction from Center and I’m not carte blanche saying Pharmaceuticals are bad when I’m talking about is someone who’s created the state of mental illness simply through their use of technology that they don’t really have and so now they’re getting these really strong chemicals into their body and into their brain really for no reason because they aren’t actually the kind of person who has a biochemical reason for those right you know this is something just came up for me as you’re talking about this really this all kids close to home in a lot of ways and I’m trying to think about how this conversation with people who are growing up now in this Ambience of internet-connected devices in Google information and all of the all these platforms were talking about and someone said not too long ago, where I heard this but it was it was kind of like every generation is going to have this resistance by the old curmudgeons you know who say back in my day and I was like this it was harder you had to work harder to do XYZ and now it’s easier because it Technologies to your spoiled and then there’s this sort of bitterness going both ways about you don’t you’re imposing these outdated values on me and you don’t get it and then so something that was kind of a record point of reconciliation between the generations that I heard recently was just this notion of where ya at people’s parents said the same thing about comic books when comic books were distracting us from their homework and they’re so perfect that whatever it was and it makes me even think about will the the juxtaposition between literacy and the printing press and literacy and how that would allow them to think about the whole some good old days of women read romance novels and boys stereotypically gendered Etc reading comic books and and the sort of what I would like to say well with a healthier template would be a slower data stream coming through Reading text where you would do no just have you wouldn’t have 50 books and magazines that you were you were relentlessly swapping to actually make an analogy you would have to for the amount of data streams you would have to be having a million TV channels and a hundred bucks a hundred magazines and a bunch of conference calls and things that you were just tapping through that was that was a novice a possible in my area of growing up and and there was just a more protected. Of pre-internet books and magazines and and social events that you would physically have to go out to and you could only do that maybe once once a couple times a week and so you know I’m just looking at this sort of what what are the essential patterns that that kind of are recursive throughout time and have a sort of cyclical pattern going on and in something that that hit me just now as a member there was a point where I remember clearly where I was at a birthday gift was someone took me out to the Wilderness on a hike of a mountain and I was so glued to video games at that time even their primitive state what we would consider very primitive now it was in they say this about pornography to they say that the therapist are saying that it’s a quote supra-normal or supernormal experience that you set a standard to and then being intimate with a real life human being doesn’t cut it for you because you’re you’re nervous system is so jacked up on these these completely artificially induced levels of chemistry that you couldn’t experience otherwise known as being generated by this computer interface so you know for me I remember how disappointed I was when I was going to be almost dragged out into nature to go on a hike and how absolutely DeLand dead and boring and even lifeless that experience was and how how betrayed I felt that that I would have to have section non-adventurous in an exciting experience and and it was all because I would just have rather have been sitting there playing a video game when I was getting spiked with all these I’m killing someone I’m being killed I’m maker not making some sort of digital gold value and I’m all of these buttons of teen pushed and I’m just at a rate that was that was unprecedented and so this virtual I guess it’s the virtualization of of the things that motivate our nervous system pleasure and seeking pleasure avoiding pain and whatnot and and another plastic came to me was just this this idea of whenever I whenever I’ve looked at the Tabloid covers of you know the Tabloid news stands in the aisles at the supermarket throughout my entire life I just felt this toxic losing Force this presents won’t talk about a spirit of something and I just could feel it and it was never and it was obviously Bogus Basin the fake block Ness monster stuff and then all of the drama and it was so over-the-top hype that it was easy to resist that I can never felt compelled to his to get sucked into that vortex but now that I see you it’s happened really is that everybody has made this like a tabloid ization of every individual and there’s an endless market for it and just this monstrosity it’s feeding on everybody the same impulse that you would have had to open up that tabloid is now you aren’t you have become the Tabloid and you want the more attention you get onto your digital tabloid Persona online and all these different platforms there more validation you’re getting and it’s just as it’s just Nick seems to be like you said about the designer drugs are just manipulating these low-hanging fruit aspects of our lower self that was more of just a rant you know something to put on a fit if you have I don’t wait around here and there well actually I want you to go back to the first part of that that you said about the idea that it’s cyclical and every generation thinks you know the younger generation looks ridiculous in their passion or whatever like that I mean obviously at the same time there is science behind how visual images and training ourselves through Visual images is actually affecting our minds that there’s so where the difference between the generations is this meat to this programming the brain to the repetition of visual images and we start talking about something different entirely and it’s not even just a different kind of fruit it’s like the difference between fruit and a tank and so they’re there is a study and I can’t pull out the actual specifics about where someone could go Google it right now maybe someone could go find it and tell me they found it so I can do that but basically in the study they were looking at the kill rate in World War II versus the kill rate of Vietnam and they found that in World War II that the honest truth was that most soldiers would rather take someone prisoner than kill them and so the kill rate was very low like 20% or something and that wasn’t acceptable for Vietnam they wanted to figure out how to train soldiers to go for a higher kill rate and what they found were was training them through a visual interface which is of course the technology that preceded video games and so basically when people are playing you know violent video games that are teaching them to not to override their natural instinct to not show people or things will never have I ever the game is that you’re basically being train your natural human instinct is being trained out of you to be a better killer and to not hesitate and that actually they change the kill rate for family through that training and Vietnam just something like 70% or 80% in the numbers which is frightening and at the same time you also had guys that went to Vietnam that I said look I don’t care what you do I don’t care about a dishonorable discharge get me out of this situation and send me back home so part of it is this really understanding that there was a conscious there were many conscious choices made that created a change between in a world war kind of way of going about live and Vietnam and our lives since Vietnam and learnt so the same thing is true then operating with porn and how has you were saying it’s training is it’s this visual training that is different from just looking at still pictures the different engagement in our brain it affects our brain differently and and partly another version of this another aspect of study around this is with children who are placed in front of videos instead of red tube instead of being read to sorry he’s my grammar here and that when a child is listening to a story they’re developing the part of their brain that imagines and visualize is in creates the the picture then go with the story that the person is reading but they find that children that are raised by being given pictures so raised on video so the end screen so the screens are being given to that pictures are being given to them they don’t have to develop their imagination okay so from a shamanic perspective this is going to be our downfall perhaps it already is being our downfall because our relationship with the invisible World operates through our brain’s capacity to access its imagination and then how did the spirit world essentially use the imagination to tell us things just the same way we all do when we dream at night and that imaginary dream world is telling us things sometimes things are not really very useful but sometimes but the point is from a shamanic perspective my ability to have a reliable relationship with spirit is driven entirely by my ability to open up my imaginary sense as much as usual but to open up my sensory body to an imaginary experience which then has meaning when it’s interpreted accurately that gives that’s how I gained guidance in my life is how I find a full part of how I know what to do in my own life it’s how I need a program that is going to be able to initiate teenage kids and fix that problem in our culture all of that is created because I have this ability to work in this whole creative relationship with spirit that is absolutely dependent on the part of my brain that imagines show to choose to not develop that part of your brain not develop that part of your children’s brain to allow it to be fed images and not ever develop the capacity to imagine means when that child is a young adult and is trying to imagine a better future they can’t do it they literally can’t do it because they haven’t developed the part of the brain that can imagine anything that they haven’t seen said to them so that aspect the visual aspect of the technology is really problematic and it’s why you get more likes when you post a picture with your posts because we gravitate to these pictures but they’re their eye candy and two even in working in this is how we spell the Visionary state in Shamanism it’s not purely visual the eyes are very easy to trip also and so it’s really about bringing your full Century body into these experiences but if I’ve been having images fed to me my whole sensory body can just be lazy if the soundtrack and the everything is just coming at me the images soundtrack all that I’m I’m not engage my sensory body isn’t engaged my ability to imagine a better future isn’t engaged so all of these qualities that are absolutely essential to living a fulfilling spiritual life are being dead are the visual piece and so in that sense of all it’s just like comic books well not really it isn’t it’s actually highly problematic and so one of the most important things for parents and many of 2013 old people our parents is that you understand this and you make different choices raising your kids the mermaid with you and that you understand that there is a serious effect delete deleterious to having children’s brains raised by video well I just had a a rash of chills when you got to that that point and I think that is probably be beyond the desired effect of what I was looking to create with the designer drug of this podcast switch with two to really address in and treat these issues but that study that you brought in with with the I mean the exit I should say I’m like I’m going to make a note to include this link in the show notes one of the most endearing films of my childhood was the I think we just called toys with Robin Williams and LL Cool J so worried I want to respect your time we’re we covered a lot here and I thank you so much again for for delivering more than I even expected and I think that was the the most potent way to to kind of wine this down with some some real practical advice about about monitoring what we all take in visually I guess I want to ask you now if with whatever time you have left to talk a bit about what you might see as some strategies for I mean lyrics I would say it’s just a simple as well just go out in nature but I was maybe 8 9 10 years old when that didn’t work for me and that was way before the level of sophistication with stick with this with these games and mass jol would go out and play in the woods and I still would do it for its and what not but but it was losing its appeal and so it’s not as simple as you’re saying turn your phone off and go to a yoga retreat or something there’s going to have to be other other steps taken and and you’re very very pragmatic I don’t know I wouldn’t say you’re really kind of you’re grounded you’re not to move about your precious to these things I’m just wondering if you if you have thought about it or if you’re working on something maybe you will develop some sort of some techno fast tree protocol or something but today just curious if you want to end on that some things that are that may help us get out of this this digital quicksand but I offer people would I consider the fundamental step out of that quicksand in an online class that I believe is absolutely essential if people are going to make the shift and be able to come into kind of a into a responsible it kind of relationship with technology that is response all that is powerful but is responsible and I people have to get their however they’re going to get there but I think the idea of just not engaging with it that feast-or-famine has its problem because they were not growing up the spirit of Technology right and while we’re over here trying to not engage with it it’s taking over the world right it was people teaching it to not grow up so I think that part of it is to figure out who do you want to be engaging with technology where where are your boundaries and end-to-end to make some clear decisions on uphold those decisions but mostly I really want to encourage people especially people that are in this I can’t remember what you said was an interesting name of the generation of being raised on the internet but anyway what I really want to encourage people to do is to understand that you read about joy and satisfaction in becoming subversive become a subversive who is Unser do so and if you can do that in your life to become subversive and recognize that you are being completely seduced into being a consumer that’s all that’s going on and that’s so expensive you should be horribly offended by that and want to subvert that system so I really encourage you all this find that inner trickster irrevocably person who wants to subvert A system that thinks so little of you and your unique genius but it just wants to turn you into a shopper it just wants you to consume he wants you to buy the next phone the next app it just sees you as a consumer and be offended by that to become subversive and in that to become unsecured small which means you can engage with whatever you choose to engage with within the boundaries that you set and that relationship of healthy relationships with it whether it’s sex or drugs or technology or whatever and and really draw what is good and true and beautiful and things out of them and not get lost in the swamp and so that would be my my thing as y’all are young you know become beings and change the world it needs to be changed so that’s what I would say Bravo of all that sounds almost tearing up hearing those words didn’t really that’s that’s why I got into punk rock and that’s why I’m still out there trying to to rock the boat however he can and that why we’re having this conversation and yeah this the spirit of wildness will will live on in and again thank you for for just balancing this as well nnn we’re not going to have an effect on the trajectory of this of this technology Technologies if we withdraw and Retreat and lamented in in the in a Shack in the woods yeah we will keep doing our best here will thank you Christina so much yeah I look forward to the next time and it’s really always it’s a blessing to have you share your insights and I will just again recommend that folks please check out why Shamanism Now podcast there will be links here and that you have any other links or anything you want to talk about promotions or anything coming up you want to share we want to find classes there at last mask Center. 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