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Crypto-Tantrism and Financial Continence with Lawrence Lanoff TPP229

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In this episode I’m joined by my revered crypto-tantric adept Lawrence Lanoff for an adventurous exploration of the intersections of crypto and tantra. He helps provide deep ancient and modern wisdom for surfing the big waves of changing times and maintaining a heart centered, and cool headed space of love, compassion, and fun.

We share insights on navigating the stormy crypto-currency markets and integrating new evolving trends of decentralized finance, stable coins, and other emerging crypto apps and tech.

I also share a great piece written by the musician Ben Lee on the Tantric Yoga of HODL:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@benleemusic/the-tantric-yoga-of-hodl

About Lawrence:

Lawrence is an award winning filmmaker, successful entrepreneur and early technology adopter who’s been investing in cryptocurrency since 2011.

He has directed and produced 11 feature films. Lawrence led a production team that won a Chicago Film Festival award and a United Nations Global 500 Award for writing and creating the documentary “We Can Make a Difference”.

Lawrence co-founded Lip Ink, generating upwards of $100mm in revenue and numerous product patents.

Lawrence is a best selling author, world renowned life coach, and was a featured expert in Neil Strauss’ New York Times Bestseller “The Truth”.

Please follow up with Lawrence here:
http://www.lawrencelanoff.com/

Rock Your Cock with Evolved Masculine Coach and Tantric Punk Larry Fredrick TPP207

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Larry Fredrick picIn this episode I’m joined by Larry Fredrick a highly experienced and accomplished evolved masculine coach. He shares the intimate details of his journey of personal growth through the catharsis of the early punk rock movement, transcending a failing marriage, getting into self-help, pick-up artistry, and ultimately a diverse array of spiritual and sexual mastery programs.

He has a down-to-earth perspective on learning and teaching practical self-improvement skill sets for men. With over 10 years of advanced training and practice he’s developed the “Rock Your Cock” program for men to really step into their power from a place of heart-centered, mindful, and spiritual consciousness.

I was most intrigued by his stories of experiencing authentic traditional tantric initiation in the jungles of India and his explanation of how he’s been able to adapt the teachings and apply them in his own love and sex life, as well as transmit the teachings to his students.

It was a deep honor and pleasure to have this opportunity to speak with a fellow rocker who’s living the dream as a tantric punk, has worked directly with many of my heroes, and who embodies forms of tantric magic that you can’t learn from books alone.

About Larry:

Larry Fredrick is an award winning international educator. He’s also a sex coach;
licensed and certified in Erotic Blueprints, Sexological bodywork, Neurolinguistic
Programming, Hypnotherapy, and Somatic Sex Education.

Larry works with men who want to clearly find and express their desires so they can
feel empowered in finding passion, pleasure, and juicy hot sex. He has traveled the
globe, from the mountains of Peru to Tantric temples in the jungles of India, training
with some of the top names in the fields of self transformation and sexual education
including Jaiya Ma, David Deida, Michaela Boehm, Destin Gerek, Satyen Raja and Joseph
Kramer.

From having issues with erectile dysfunction, performance and social skills, to
becoming a multi-orgasmic man with the skills and techniques of a confident lover,
Larry helps men step into their full erotic power so they can have more confidence in
the bedroom and in their relationships.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/embody.awakening.1
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/embodyawakening/
Website: http://www.embody-awakening.com/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin double dribble Evans welcome to Township Funk podcast episode number 2 0 7 buy a very Frederick who is a masculine empowerment coach and he has a lot of interesting and exciting offerings that we’re going to talk about we go back to having met through Destin Garrix Network and the weekends or weekend men’s Retreats that I’ve been apart of and he is taking that further and done the training and is now yeah Mexican apartment coaches work with Dustin Garrick he’s worked with Jaya and provides for blueprint training Psalm Isadora and others and that we have some interesting choices of Common Ground coming from a punk. Background and we’ll have lots to talk about regarding the relationship interplay between the punk at 6 and attitude and the Tantrum and so with that said Larry do you want to just give us kind of an overview of your personal Journey leading up to all of these exciting offerings at you right now well I mean my bias is long so I’m just going to cut to the meat I am on a masculine empowerment coach I have a program called Rock your cock which is on my website it’s exactly what the title says it’s to help me and be in there talking show up to women and masculine way and also be in their heart and be in their mind being there in their spirit so it’s connecting the lower chakras the higher chakras and it works through blocks and sexual techniques and on communication relationships so that’s the program that I’m offering the listeners they sign up on my website but I’ve also travel all over the world work with a whole bunch of teachers it’s been a long journey from a failed marriage sexless marriage to know I having an amazing hot juicy sex with an amazing woman I mean our house right now doing this podcast on so I think we should just get right to the question you might have been possible thank you that overview and I would say you have for me a lot of a lot of this work started with a path to Liberation through the punk rock movements I’d love to have to have you start there seems like an earlier chapter of your life when when you were mainly involved in that scene in that community and so I left it here just what that was like what that was like for you and how that’s kind of was a in a precursor to or foreshadowing a more spiritual path yes I would say that the punk movement was when I was part of the punk scene it was and I was not on the spiritual path I was graduated high school in 1982 and that was kind of the heart of the punk movement so when I would go out with my friends they would be to some of the Seas really small tiny little clubs and what I liked about the punk movement is that it was about redefining everything including what music you know like you didn’t even have to play an instrument to play an instrument and you also didn’t need what was an instrument instrument could be a power drill and instrument could be you know something that that you bang on and make noise you didn’t have to sing you didn’t have to look a certain way you could just go out there and express emotions so it was like in a really cathartic and sort of Rage driven and you know for a young man it was a way to kind of experience now on a more spiritual level two experience on a visceral level of emotions in a group of people yeah I hear you on that and that’s something I would like to ask you is as if you had since your contract negotiations and in Journeys in Adventures you I’m sure you have both experienced than just been coming across people who are core very much about inviting the shot the energy and Awakening Kundalini energy and a lot of sometimes erratic kind of krias and sometimes more graceful dance forms but I always like to make the comparison that the Kundalini energy is really well leather it up in the punk rock circle pit and sometimes even the mosh pit but there’s also like a activation going on that’s doing some stuff on purging and purification you have any thoughts on I’m not sure though I mean I know what I have learned over the years is a fellow I’ve done a lot of working in different states cramps and there’s definitely a trance that happens when you’re in a group of people listening to music whatever that music is an. The emotions that come out become magnified when they’re when it’s not just you feeling that emotion but a whole group of people feel emotions that are brought out in a punk rock club or different than in a tantric Puja but they’re still emotions and they’re still magnified by being in the group that is a great way to say and Selso and very inclusive way to say you had mention also that you do hypnosis so this might be a good time maybe a little out of the timeline to mention it here but we were talking about France dates and Altered States do you want to talk a bit about what he described for people who may be haven’t had an xtatic group emotional cathartic experience like what is that what how would you describe that in terms of your knowledge of how the brain works and how the nervous system works and and how Altered States were when you’re in a group of people doing the weather is a tantric Puja or a rock concert or even going to Vegas there’s a lot of things that are basically you go into a State of Trance when your mind is overloaded so if you’re overloaded by the sounds of slot machines going off at noises and sounds and smells your ear mind starts to get overloaded and then it becomes suggestible so we’re overloaded it when I live in Los Angeles I mean I’m overloaded as soon as I walk out of my house there’s there’s things that are overloading my mind which means that my mind is very susceptible to Suggestions by advertisers people that may not have my best interest so when you go into a trance State you were open and you could be open to positive suggestions or negative suggestions as a hypnotist I’m I’m trying to say I’m trying to see if you’re in that trance state with a hypnotist URI your ear assuming and I know that will not working with you I’m sitting in container with your safety mind and your best interest in mind so what I’m going to put his suggestions that are positive as opposed to suggestions that if you eat this hamburger from Carl’s jr. you’re going to get laid or whatever other suggestions people are putting in our head through our everyday hypnosis with that I don’t know if that makes sense yeah totally not exactly what I was supposed I’m getting out of here so I’m curious so from going from that earlier Punk type of initiation what what were some of the Catalyst I know you mentioned it a sexless marriage and so what was that process like of transforming your life pass into Seaking Tantra discovering it and then you can give us the sort of them chronology of the different works that you’ve been involved in 4 years old so I’ve had a lot of Life of different stories and episodes but I think one of us when I was in the midst of my marriage I was also sort of dissatisfied with my job and I went to I went to a therapist who was going to put me on medication and I said you know I’ll fuck that I don’t want to that’s not the route I want to go I want to take them medicine so I decided to look into hypnotherapy as a way of you know kind of working on myself like I figured that I could use positive thinking that use hypnotherapy to give direction to why was starting to feel kind of lost in a marriage and a job and it worked I mean a super powerful and I found that I was attracting when I was when I was starting out I was attracting a lot of men who either word at social anxiety or or problems relating to women a lot of guys that were in a computer Gamers and then they would just like really in their head and I found that they were drawn to me because I also I totally understand was a computer gamer I was addicted to World of Warcraft I was psychic Total Computer gamer I’m that was my way of escaping which is also a state of hypnosis so first I use it as a way of working on myself and then I just found that I naturally Drew clients for men who were going through the same thing I was in which is basically get out of your head and into your body and you know take all the negative stories all this all the self steam issues all the confidence issues in and a really men are powerful and in most of them we work hard and sometimes we forget that there’s so many negative stories like to impart positive confidence power and is just to show up those were some of the things that I was doing as a hypnotist and also letting them most of them were able to get over their shyness or their social anxiety and really feel much better about themselves and show up show up for women better now that you know that was just the beginning that was where I started I’ve got a lot farther since since I started out that is very interesting I’m very concerned about the new generation as well younger generation coming up through the video games in that level disconnection if you don’t mind before we move forward into more of the time and spirituality and sexuality episodes in chapters you know what would you say if you were if a person listening now is really hooked on gaming and not and not really taking care of their body and not taking care of their their relationships and I’m kind of getting sucked into that realm do you have any advice just off the top of your head that you would share or recommend that they contact you or I’d love to know about more resources for people in that situation too big essential secret for all of it and it’s not just kids on video games cuz I’m working out with about messing with about twenty-five men and it’s all they’re all it’s all the same as we’re in our heads we’re not in our body it takes like it it’s it’s like a gradual moving into our bodies and in feeling our bodies are so much numbness like I find the men that I’m working with right now I’m working with them and then they are like I’ll take a breath and they say what do you feel and if they will I feel relaxed bulshit you don’t feel relaxed you feel your body you feel the tension from being hunched over a computer over a car it’s like they’re not feeling their bodies so they’re not feeling their own their own bodies are not filled their emotions if shut it all down and they’re not showing up for the women in their lives thank you for doing that work and I would say myself I was I was very much a gamer growing up as a child but I guess luckily for me to games weren’t that controlling so I spent plenty of time by the time I matured sexually life my actual life became the video game that all of the BB King the real game that the video games were kind of like training for so I hope that that art of development can be kind of you know did you ever get that sense that there’s an appropriate role for four games of all kinds and then once life really starts going you should be out there and living it right but I mean I think everything is I’m not against games go and you know video games are awesome but I’m against retreating into your head into like a fantasy world so you’re not dealing with your own body your own emotions you’re not dealing with reality you’re not dealing with opportunities in front of you so you know there’s nothing wrong with video games is nothing wrong with whatever drugs or alcohol or whatever it is people use to get out of their bodies and into their you know whatever Escape people need but if you live there and you’re not you’re not connecting to the real world was obviously that’s not what I’m I want I want men to choose I want men to be a body grounded Power full sewing up in the real world and feeling their bodies feeling they’re motioning and feeling their sexuality because they’re missing out that you know that there’s a lot of men having sex or fucking but they’re not feeling like the full range of what’s possible in orgasm which even even what men consider orgasm I mean it took me a long time to reach to the point where I’m really like blown the lid off of what an orgasm is I I can I could lie in bed next to my partner and we haven’t even had sex and I’ll just be like convulsing in like shaking and in like complete pleasure that would could be nonstop until I finally so you know what I want to go to sleep so I didn’t even know what was possible an orgasm all right well yeah I get there I get your point I think so I think there could be a sweet spot of having your cake and eating it too guarding the video games and if you really develop yourself in in the physical and spiritual and sexual aspects then by all means enjoy the video games that I would take that to be some good advice and so now we’re getting into that more advanced sexual Spiritual Development so what happened next in your journey as far as your discovery of Tantra did you find out fire and go to a workshop or did some mystical Guru approach you and traveling trip or what was that that was very very much a guy into TV and video games and and I got involved in like the pickup seen you know there’s did the pickup artist scene and at which why don’t want to get into that but I was listening to a podcast and I found out about this workshop and it was a tantra Workshop didn’t you didn’t the guy named such Young Living Canada who is still I still involved with his great awesome teacher and it was a it was a 3-day workshop and involving Connection in communication between men and women and it was sort of a Puja but again none of these words and if you did I wouldn’t have known what it was what it meant I was totally not into anything that I considered spiritual chakras or any of that stuff I would not have gone which is it was called I think was called sex passion in Enlightenment something like that was a 3-day workshop and I went to that and it just blew my mind I mean making eye contact with different women and I’m all of the things that came up all of the emotions that came up all of the you know that the self-reflection that came up and reminder that there’s a story I told him another podcast but I might as well tell the story I was I was paired up with a woman and she looked me in the eyes it was like eye contact and all she said to me is I trust you this was just the lines that a woman was supposed to say to a man I trust you and I received that you know the woman sang to me I trust you and I I was on the ground like crying for I don’t I don’t even know how long are in a ball crying because I realized I was not a trustworthy Matt which is why my marriage is all fucked up I was not a man that a woman can trust and I sort of made it like I sort of question what what is it like to be a trustworthy man what is what is a trustworthy man that’s what a woman wants no more than a big cock they want a man’s dick trust I mean so it in terms of becoming a sexual Manner and I realized I had a lot of inner work to do and then I realized that what I was learning was Contra and then and then that set me on a whole other path which is actually why I was attracted to Dyess blueprints because she talks about different blueprints one of being energetic and I realize that I was an energetic and I didn’t even know what that was I didn’t even know that was a thing but now that I’ve coached for the blueprints it’s like I wasn’t energetic in my shadow which hole explain later but I was at I was an energetic was kind of didn’t know I was and therefore I lived in the shadow of the energetic well I just was a beautiful story and I think yeah but I’m glad that that offering existed and you were able to connect with it I do I didn’t get involved myself in the pickup scene and I I guess I kind of I feel like I avoided it as as a Pastime personally but I have met some people recently you know who was part of their the early attorney as well and so if you don’t mind talking about it I love to hear a little bit more but if you’d rather not that’s fine too but I’ll just put that out there for people who don’t some of the principles of it I think there is maybe it has a bad reputation as being manipulative and really selfish and kind of way to use kind of trickery and and tactics of Deceit and so that’s that’s like the negative impression I have it although I’ve been enlightened that there’s more to it and it’s actually a past 2 in development and evolution that’s that has a very respectable depends on who you train with or who your buddies are but do you want to talk about that is there anything Redemptive that people should know about that but I think there’s an idea is that we can change as men that we can learn skills we can learn skills like presents we can learn how to communicate better that these are skills that we need to learn that we’re not just some men are what are called Naturals but a lot of men are not and that there’s ways to teach it to the ways to learn it there’s ways to improve so the idea of men like I mean there’s a lot of ego and in terms of no I’m good I’m good I’m okay you know I’m I’m doing alright like the idea of the pickup is that actually wherever you’re at you could be better and pick up does use a lot of NLP which is neuro-linguistic programming that’s kind of a another reason I got interested in it and a hypnosis in a lot of the things that you know now that I that I teach it there was a lot of things that I learned from being in that scene especially the ideas at these are skills that could be learned in that they can be taught so we don’t have to be satisfied with where we’re at as men and that there are ways to break down and improve their very well said I appreciate that if somebody was had missed out on getting into the pickup seen earlier do you recommend that people go and read certain books or watch certain videos or find certain meetups is it still something that you would include in your programs for men now or was it something that you kind of see is like all well it was a means to an end or stepping stone I’m curious if you would still endorse that movement somehow we’ll see I don’t know what the movement is up to now I think there’s a lot of no sketchy kind of characters in there and a lot of like exploiting a lot of marketing and a lot of I think taking advantage of men who want to improve I mean I would recommend myself because hitch hook I’m taking what I learned from pick up from hypnosis and other things and spirituality and I’m not teaching not teaching men to go out to bars and pick up women but I’m teaching men to be the kind of man that wants to go to the bars they’ll be more attractive to women don’t I don’t teach lines or anything like that cuz I found they don’t work but works is doing the work on yourself so you show up as a more powerful attractive man and I think that what the pickup is exploiting is is they need which again I finding working with men is like we want the Magic Bullet and we want it fast and we want it like Surefire and we want it without doing the work like we want we want that they promised a lot and you know like the magic pick up line is going to make them horny and a lot of it’s bullshit really but if you get involved if it doesn’t wake you up and turns it over these are things that I can improve I I can improve my posture I can improve how I make eye contact with person and I can improve my listening skills I can improve how I show up and then these things help build confidence and then when confidence is building then you naturally become more attractive person and more attractive to women those again great points I’m glad that that were talking about that something I I guess kind of worried and hasn’t again been that personal to me but I feel you on that so so now where would you say you want to start bringing in the official trainings that you did the Special Operations that you’ve done with some of the sum of the key players in the modern Neo Tantra and movement sounds like you’ve been you know getting out there and so when did your formal or more formal training ministration start in Gaston go from there after I did that work with Sachi on the path of the Warrior Stage so I did a lot of work with him which included shamanic journeys to Mexico meeting doing doing meeting shamans and I can’t even like going to some of the the magical crazy stuff that happened in he he was he was into David data so I got involved with David data in one of his teachers Michaela boehm might I work with her and so these are different different forms of Tantra and none of them call themselves Tantra but then I got involved in like I met Psalm Isadora and she’s much more of a the more traditional like old school country from India or the cheap there’s a whole Neo Tantra movement which comes from Osho and a lot of the teachers teach this this form of Tantra that is basically from Osho when he came to America and I do know it’s like I can’t talk forever about talks so much about it but some really I really clicked with her because she she she brought in this like traditional chanting in Sanskrit and it was just beautiful rituals and I like the ritual of it I like the I like the kind of formality of the ritual so she told me about a temple that you did too in India and if it came to my mind and then she passed away so I never got a chance to go to this Temple but then I did with another teacher Don Cartwright took me to this Temple because it’s hidden you don’t know where it is and it’s like an old-school ancient country Temple Heating in the jungle and if you can give you make it there by got initiated basically it was like 2 weeks class of of learning how to chant incense sounds great and there’s is 108 goddess statues and you have to do a ritual to each one it’s it’s kind of like you’re just immersed in this ancient language there there’s flowers everywhere and smells and and it’s just kind of mind-blowing I was basically magic school it’s like I learn magic and but that sounds weird is it there there’s a hundred and a goddess statues in in like they’re all sexual and there’s that there’s a Temple there that’s like the Yoni Temple so it’s basically goddess worship and I have to learn these these these rituals and you just immersed in it and it is going into a trance basically your this thing is in the jar there’s no toilet paper there if you eat with your hands and it’s like a whole other world it’s like going back thousand years and and then at the end do you know I basically was initiated into the srivijaya lineage but what’s interesting about it is I did a ceremony with kaniche where I was basically the one of my wishes was to bring this woman I was seeing on this journey with me and I’m in our house right now it’s been 3 years and we were just kind of seeing each other but I wanted her to be part of this journey and then for Valentine’s Day after coming back from the temple I did this Pooja that I learned there in the temple that it’s like a secret ancient ceremony and I learned it And I memorized it and I practiced it and I prefer I did it to her on Valentine’s Day and she said that blew her mind like like like to have it wasn’t that it wasn’t the ritual of it but to have so much attention paid on her like all the details that you know you have to have and tastes all five senses I touch different parts of her body different pressure points and pleasure points and did chanting and took like 2 hours but it said she said that blew her mind you know like to have that kind of ritual performed on her and I could never do it again it’s like I could not remember all of that all of that stuff I learned I have to go back in my arms again but it was almost it did feel like I had received some kind of transmission and I like I was I’m talking about it I don’t really talk about this I’ve never actually really talked about this because there’s some feeling of I don’t know if people are going to believe me or am I showing off or what it what exactly am I saying and yet I’m also feeling like a vibration in my chest that I went through this experience was pretty incredible I mean hidden country temple in the jungles of India and initiating in the bringing that to my girlfriend yeah it is putting me in a trance as I talk about it well me too I’m having an adventure in my mind too and I love that you shared that and I feel blessed that you feel comfortable sharing those details with me and I’m sure there’s you know you can write a whole book just about that that cycle that you did there but you know I’m I’m flashing through all of the experiences I’ve had doing fujas and rituals and ceremonies and just everything that I’ve experienced in in the westernized Neo Tantra version where think there’s always a number of people who’ve had those more authentic traditional classical country experiences in India or in other parts of other parts of the world and bring that back and are able to bring that transmission and that energy carries forward for people who work for just you know in some meat up in somebody’s living room on in West play or something and actually it is it transmits but I love hearing the stories of the actual experience is cuz we really I don’t think we have many places in the US where where goddess worship and the ritualised procedural practice of worshiping and asking for blessings and protection from the deities I don’t see that happening a lot I send in the meet-up send in the township groups what not I think there is more of a focus on more secular personal development and just you know how to be a better relationships and this kind of undifferentiated one missense of bliss but I’m actually way more interested in this otherworldly transdimensional intelligent entities deities and beautiful Divine spirits that have personalities and very distinct archetypal Personalities in that that’s what you’re talking about and so I’m thrilled to always hear more about what those practices of the ones that seem to not get through the mesh into the West as often as like the multi-orgasmic even the Kundalini stuff which I’ve heard you know a lot of Kundalini people approach Kundalini without without paying homage to its is a feminine Shakti goddess aspect of it so much so yeah I’m glad you had that experience and then that you bring that forward and certainly that we just go from talking about the gimmicks of pick up Artistry which you know it’s like I think of pickup artists I think of con artists I think of like confidence scams and then evil going from from that Vibe of that world to this experience you talking about and translating the beauty and magic of these experiences in Matt’s and then having the proof in the pudding and applying it to turning on and really worship thing and giving to this beloved you yours like I hope that those people who are trying to buy the magic pills and by the secret pick up lines and all that they actually would hear this and and and be inspired by what you’re saying you say there’s like a way way deeper Richard passed to towards some pleasing women and in being a God you know being like the guy who gets her off the best and the guys will never forget that that can come from it a deeper more of my spiritual face so thank you very much that was my you know my my Applause and praise for it for you sharing that and so do you want to then go from there to how you started to apply that if you start to want to teach Tantra more formally and start building your own kind of phone programs did you do some other trainings if you go to work with diarrhea right after that or what was next time you’re you’re sort of Business Development path of Tantra make something clear like this I’m listening to this I’m not expecting men to go into the jungles in like wipe their ass with their hands because there’s no toilet paper you know what and then come back and do a 3-hour ritual to the woman in order to get laid that’s not what I’m saying that I did that but what I teach man is to put their attention and make make like or you can make an ordinary day exciting and ritualistic so like I’m going we’re going to San Diego this weekend and we’re sitting we’re going to turn it into a ritual at an adventure and I’m going to I’m going to pay attention to my woman as opposed to like the pickup artist seen I think there was a lot of like Don’t Buy Women drains their they’re not going to respect you if you if women don’t respect men who are nice guys and all that in you could be nice to a woman you could pay attention to a woman you could be attentive to her needs you could have your balls intact it’s not like if you’re if you’re nice to a woman or you please a woman or you pay attention to her that you’re giving up your balls that’s like the thing that I didn’t like about pick up cuz I love sharing my woman with some attention so you don’t like what I did was was a super elaborate version of that and yet there’s ways to pay attention in minor ways every single you all the time and so I try to make ordinary time with her you know beautiful and sacred and in treat her like a goddess even if I’m wash will just washing dishes you know like make that a ritual washing dishes so the dishes are done so we can go to the bedroom and we can fuck you know it’s like let’s let’s make washing dishes a ritual let’s make washing dishes set let’s make washing dishes away press to get that out of the way so we have space in our lives and two to pay attention to each other and dropped into a space of Sacred Love and that does not require you going to the jungles I just requires the shift in in your perspective I love it seems like there’s always going to need to be some ratio of people who have had the deeper immersive experiences in the classical traditional timeshare temples and then bring that back and you know it’s like everybody’s not going to be a shaman but we need to have a sweet spot kind of ratio so thank you for having that experience I’m certainly some point wanting wanting to to be one of those folks who can have a deeper experiences and then transmit them and translate them into a more modern contact so so yeah thanks for that clarification and and that makes a lot of sense so so yeah what would what was your next step word some building the confidence not only to please your own lovers but to teach bring this magic and medicine and and then skill sets to Two Men and develop more of a practice of your own let me guess it was very important to me because I went through his program it’s a whole new program that was videos as you know cuz you’re in the videos but so there’s a lot more aid for teaching men and I’m running man through this program I now that I found this in again when I was part of the pickup seen and he was at some some he was speaking at one of them I don’t remember how I ran into him but then I kept running into him like every single week I would go to event and they were all different events that when was The Burning Man event and when was it Astro van with a pick up a bed and was like who is this guy Destin I should call him and talk to him and I went through his program and I became multi-orgasmic so it was like wow I read that might actually work and all of that and it didn’t work but Justin’s program work and now I’m not like a coach like now I am authorized to teach his two other men because he really breaks it down he went through 6 logical Body Works which I actually also went through that trade-in so I see where it comes from I see the roots for it I see why it works and how it works and the bottom line is it works it’s like you can take a man run him through this step by step program in at the end he he’s pretty much has control over his orgasm and it worked for me and it’s working for the men that are going to the program I know it works I mean he’s done it with hundreds and hundreds of men so that was one official training I got and then and another training I got is was why is blueprints with shock yeah I mean that I learned about Jaya Jaya to Destin one of his podcast actually I had seen joy around I seen her she used to promote our books at different events different sexual advance and I would see Jai I kept seeing her also but then I was listening to an interview that just ended with her where she was talking about what she called The Erotic Blueprints and I was in another relationship where I was bringing all my Tantra training in my you know I gazing into this relationship and I thought it was great you know I was having orgasm but the woman wasn’t and I thought well am I what’s wrong and then just kind of said there’s Blueprints and I’m unenergetic like that’s why I love this time. I happen to be an energetic and I can I can really tap into that and I can have these incredible experiences but not everybody is an energetic and then she said then there’s a sensual there’s a sexual there’s a kinky and there’s a shapeshifter and I realized while the woman that I was with was very sexual and I’m sexual also but it was not my primary blueprint so I was speaking to her as an energetic like expecting her to have the same kind of contract experiences but she wasn’t a wire that way and and then sometimes she would just like to just want to like you just want to fuck and I was like what I want to connect first one I gave you like really just want to go there right away so now I’m learning to speak the other person’s language and understand my own language and the woman I’m with now super super sensual that’s why she loved that couch I get because it was all about taste and smell and sound with all the senses so that really turned wrong because of who you was designed to be a sensual experience we’re all over essential were lit up and I know how to I know how to speak the language of a sensual and one of them is example making sure for a sensual if things are out of place if dishes are done at the house is dirty she can’t drop into her body she can’t really experience orgasm so for me clean up the houses is for play because that’s what my that’s what my partner wants she wants all that stuff out of her head because the sensual will get into their head start worrying about stuff and then you know of a few years down the line the partnership is not working out they’re not understanding why they’re not there there they both think they’re having sex but when is having one is not getting their energetic fed and the others not getting their Central fat or their sexual fat so learning the blueprints was like to learn that I was in energetic like blew me away because then I realized it is a thing in that it’s not weird to have these orgasmic experience is just looking into someone’s eyes but it’s also know it may not be the way another person the person I’m with name me not experience it the same way and I can’t force them to have that experience I appreciate that work that was done. Can you say kind of from your training and where you work with her and Emma studies of for blueprint I’m not aware of the podcast before I don’t have it on the top of my head, the backstory of how how she would describe the the process of discovering these beasts different patterns do could you say something to what what to your your recollection is like her kind of backstory around that if if you would let me hear backstory things I mean her backstory she was also sexological bodyworker which is we all have in common me giant Destin we’ve all been trained by the same teacher Joseph Kramer and sexological Body Works and child learn after hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours working with couples that there was different couples were turned on by different touch like the man might be turned on by certain kind of touch and the woman might be turned on by a different kind of touch and they weren’t the same so the man expected the woman to respond the way he was responding and then just started to break it down and realized that a sensual is turned on by a completely different sort of touch than the sexual is and they’re actually if you want to know what your blueprint is if you go on my website you can take your who is there is emails that you’ll get I will explain all the blueprints so my website is in-body awakening.com which is e m p o d y m body which is hard to spell under the dash awakening.com hopefully you’ll have this written somewhere so it’s a for sure that’ll be on the Awakening., there’s a quiz on the bottom you can take the quiz for free and then you’ll get emails that looks plain all of them it’ll tell you what your blueprint is and then you’ll get emails at hotel look at 5 different emails that will explain the is the superpower of each blueprint and the shadow side of each have a shadow site to find that out and then again yeah go on the website take the quiz and then you can book a session with me and I can talk about how how you can implement this in your sex life because the blueprints is just one part of my program cool alright well thank you for sharing that and also I think it’s a great point to make that people who have been in this field in this movement and its industry and have done that level of work a game that sense of Mastery and then these emergent properties of being able to distill these kind of macro counter and that’s where that that wisdom and in comes from is that that richness of experience so I appreciate your hearing about that and I know there’s a number of other systems that people have developed to categorize various kind of powder and sand and styles of relating and there’s love languages that you know all kinds of different different metrics and tools that have been developed to kind of self analyze and solve correct and in in an ad so glad that there is more of the sexual and Amore essential systems that are being developed and so yes and then after that now where does that where does that bring us to within in your historical chronological timeline are we getting close to where you’re at now or where was there more happening before we get to the present but no car now what your you can go into the details of the the rock your cock program it sounds like it’s probably drawing on all the influences but that I don’t want to skip over anything before we get there so yeah what where where else what else do we need to cover it to get to the present read marriage I started to want something else got involved in the pickup scene from their got involved in Contra through Sachi on and then became a hypnotist it so it is it’s not like this happen overnight is was 10 years and then you know traveling with Sachi on and seeing these shamanic having the shamanic experience has started to open me up to this other world of that as an energetic at first I would have been like so skeptical because that’s that’s what the shadow of the energetic is it’s like because I was an energetic I was denying that there could possibly be everything have to have a scientific explanation and everything we was bullshit and Kippy and you know I’m coming from the punk background you know those hippies like I had but that was my shadow side because I was actually completely once once I got opened up and started to experience things myself it was like boom I’m in energetic I can feel energy I could I actually have these experiences that I can’t really describe in that not everyone has to believe know if they don’t believe it that’s fine I’m not going to try to convince anyone all I know is I’ve had some incredible experiences so so it was from pick up Tantra hypnosis and then then starting to find the teacher including traveling to Canada traveling to India going to Peru having different a Mexico having different experiences and I think my primary influences then became Destin enjoy shampoo mentored me and taught me their system the system of sexual self-mastery for men so men can become multi-orgasmic and the the blueprints which is like the love languages for the bedroom and what’s nice about it is I can teach this it’s like this is exactly what the pick up pick up Community says I could break it down I could teach it plus I had hypnosis to it so like a high anchor in so you remember the stuff and in fact I’m filming a whole I’m feeling a whole Erotic Hypnosis thing in the middle of filming at we have it work where I put my partner and she’s never even done it before on film where she becomes she has these just from listening going into hypnosis you basically has hypnotics orgasms and I put her on the bed in a hypnotic BDSM session I teach you guys how to do this so this is my own stuff that I’m adding offering a lot it’s like 10 years of all of these different trainings come together into my one Rodger cock I survived that sounds great siding and I can’t I’m jealous that you that you got such a great name for it I got it how did I how did that slip by me all this time you noticed it’s funny it’s funny cuz originally and have more of like a mask you act like I was masculine and Power Man in and he’s kind of names and I just said no fuck it rocks your cock cuz that’s what men want you know even though I’m teaching them spirituality and all this other stuff that’s not going to get them excited rock your cock it’s like yeah because that’s the end result I’m offering the end result rock your cock and that means more than just about getting your cock it’s not about getting your cock hard it’s about showing up as a man in his masculine energy and it is feminine so it’s like I’m being done being sneaky cuz I’m also teaching men to be in their feminine to to be in their heart but not going to get him in the door you know what gets him in the door is it’s about your cock about being a man and it’s about showing up in that way but in order to do that you need to embrace your family and you need to be able to have have experiences trance-like experiences which again you can do through breathing which I teach to help self hypnosis so but yeah the name your cock cuz that’s the end result income for the Shiva and you stay for the shock to you no thank God it’s it’s it’s Punk is Rock You Know rocks you rock it you know it’s it’s about showing up in in in in playing her instrument and just playing it however the fuck you want to you know you don’t have to go and take formal lessons in in school you just you just rock it because it’s natural I love that you. That’s it what’s the point right to get to where things flow naturally and you’re not fighting anything and you’re not having to count all people who are more than the more I guess you could say the the less edgy the less sexual the less explicit but the more kind of family-friendly Orthodox Temple Tantra experiences are going to be a lot of ritual as an end in techniques and tools that that are about you counting beads and Counting chance and getting using all of these Scott all the scaffolding and all of these handrails sort of to build the capacity to have full attention in your body and then eventually you are less reliant on on those techniques and it just you just like a martial artist it’s just there when you need it and you just keep time keeping that refresh so yeah I love that idea that I think we’re kind of stripping away layers of domestication we’re getting back back to a more and body Primal state where it wasn’t we weren’t overcoming so many neurotic not than patterns and things in and it would just be a more natural more that’s also the punk rock thing you know I would say as well as they shed this formalities boxes the first module of my program because it got to clear our our modern the roses and there are blocked because it’s like the about stuff like I don’t believe that any of these you can learn sexual techniques but until you get that’s why it’s modular like I teach Advanced sex techniques but I don’t teach that until you get past your blocks and learn how to be present to your body and your breathing and then again you don’t need to do all the fancy he learn Sanskrit stuff all you need to do is learn how to breathe and feel your body I’m stripping it down I’m I’m not I’m getting rid of all the do you know the esoteric because I know not again not everybody’s an energetic I want everybody to be able to relate to my program so I guess I’m not it’s not part of my even though I did all that stuff I’m not going to teach anyone how to chant in Sanskrit I’m going to teach a man how to breathe into their body so they can feel where they have tension in their body and where they can open up and start feeling their emotions thank you again for everything I think we’re about a good point to wrap up if you want to share some final words of advice final insides and then again where people can go to find your work yeah well my website again I already said it is in body – awakening.com and are they can take the quiz for free and then if you want it there to sign up for a session and when our strategy session where we can talk about how we can use the blueprints and how I can work with men specifically and I would put Township punk in the comments because I think that your audience is in particular audience and I would work with the men that come from this podcast different than men that come from another podcast so I would create an individual program although my I have a module program this whole setup is I would modify it according to my listeners and have a one-hour session with them so that’s embody – awakening.com take the quiz and sign up for a strategy session with me awesome well thank you so much man has been a pleasure to talk shop with you and I’ll still be able to have that a resident so I think sometimes people can lose a grounding this and that sort of bullshit detectors at the punk rock movement I think gives us a very good protector and I can tell that you’re upgrading from that place if a healthy skepticism in and also but open-mindedness to and avoiding Dogma avoiding too much too many rules and in too many I don’t think I don’t think you’re going to fall into the style of a cult leader or become a cult leader yourself in a in a bad way so thank you for your offer doing all that work you’re doing and for glad we got to have this conversation and we will be publishing this in the next couple weeks or so getting through a backlog of a previous guess that’s what I will send you the link and we will hopefully be able to talk more again in the future all right right on cool alright well thanks so much again and have a great day thank you. 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Words of Praise for my First Tantra Initiatrix Rhoda Jordan TPP154 Transcript

Ode to Rhoda

I clearly remember the day back in 2009 when I opened my Google Alerts after recently setting up a “Los Angeles Tantra” weekly email update. Rhoda’s website TantraGlow.com was the first local tantric coaching service I discovered. I was a starving artist with most of my income allocated to creative endeavors that lived better than I did. Despite my tight budget I was eager to learn and study tantra so I immediately drafted a proposal for barter and prayed for a miracle.

I offered two hours worth of website design and marketing consultation in the form of a free diagnostic report on her website, if she saw value in my suggestions, she could choose to reciprocate with an introductory tantra training session.

My offer was accepted, I got to work, and the rest is herstory. In our first session I was guided to connect deeply with breath, movement, sound and visualization. Her calm, soothing, and confident voice sonically illuminated my path towards life-long on-tap kundalini shakti bliss. My Tantra Glow was lit up for good. She exuded the benefits of the practices with her Buddha-like presence. While so many modern pseudo-masters trigger my skepticism, she ceaselessly earned my highest respect and admiration. My anxious and impatient patterns (typical of a late 20’s new age seeker) of swinging from diet to diet, workshop to workshop, program to program, best seller to best seller, were put to rest in the timeless serenity of her guided meditation sessions.

From the first day forward I knew there would never be an excuse to suffer, to be neurotic, to be lost in ego drama, self-pity, or delusion. That’s not to say I’ve been perfectly enlightened ever since, but rather, I know better and trust more than I ever did before, that enlightenment is always just an intentional breath away. I learned quickly that with the application of simple yet effective techniques, any and every moment in life can and should be an opportunity to embrace divinity, and open the heart and mind, body and spirit to the healing love of divine source within.

I began attending regular donation based group trainings at her lovely home. Her charming and endearing husband often participated providing a warm, supportive, playful atmosphere. Their true love was expressed beautifully throughout their home. They have always been a co-creative power couple, inspiring awe and reverence in all who enjoy their friendship and their works.

Several personal life chapters were written with this modern tantric temple service as the highlight of my week. My often complex, interwoven and at times entangled destinies seemed to harmonize with greater ease and synchronicity the more I deepened my tantric practice. Rhoda’s sincere care for my personal progress and affirming astonishment at my wildest accomplishments kept me motivated and proud to be a product of her guidance. While I don’t officially represent Rhoda’s brand, our sacred dynamic is at the core of my personal, professional, and charitable practices.

A lot of my convictions are controversial, my positions and postures are edgy. To remain in good standing with those whom I most respect, I must continually ask for feedback and advisement. It’s impossible to effectively moderate my radical sloganeering by myself. There’s a magical effect when being a student helps keep you in check. My ongoing efforts to earn Rhoda’s approval and pride would get me out of as much trouble as it would keep me out of. The quintessential yearning of an initiate is to make their initiator or initiatrix proud. What better reason to be disciplined and do right than to stay in good standing with your school.

Discovering, loving, and being loved by the infinite expressions of Goddess internally and externally has made me into a cosmic “momma’s boy” in the best sense of the term. I’m a tantric goddess worshiper, I have established my own personalized practice of classical “Devi Sadhana” under the advisement of human and non-human Goddesses. I can’t emphasis enough how important it is that tantric power and wisdom be cultivated, sustained, and transmitted by women, as it was in the mythic beginnings of the radically feminist Shakta Tantra movement in India.

Please allow me to zoom out a bit, to frame a bigger picture context for the female teacher, male student dynamic. Modern “Neo-Tantra” has a sadly but truly deserved bad name. Sex is the slipperiest of slopes a dear friend once said. Tantra men are notorious for getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar, manipulating women with cultish pyramid schemes whereby they are convinced to pay to purchase the only key to their enlightenment which conveniently happens to be hidden down the Guru’s pants. I doubt I will ever descend into debauchery with so much to lose. Rhoda was the first of now many modern priestesses whose spiritual authority gently but firmly watches over my conduct and thus my karma.

Who knows what kind of a douchey predator I might have become had I fallen into the hands of a shameless master such as one of the many who have been brought down in scandals of late. That’s not to say men have no proper place in tantra. We men need to teach, train, and condition each other to bow down, serve, and devote ourselves to Shakti. By doing so we are not spiritually immature soul-sucking parasitic “submissives”, we are true warriors and earners of the classical tantric title of “Vira” (Sanskrit for “hero”). By humbling ourselves and sacrificing our egos on the altar of divine feminine wisdom, we can be graced with higher knowledge beyond conception. By being vulnerable, dancing and chanting open our higher chakras we can hope to climb towards the majesty that is the cosmic womb, fractally distributed to every wombyn on Earth. When we men become Yoni Worshipers, the Yoniverse will bless us with blissful revelations and incite us to build Goddess Temples. Demonic energies devoted to greed and war will be transmuted and evolved into divine service works to heal the planet and restore regenerative culture.

All men have known the desire to impress a love interest. It has been my experience working with female tantra teachers both “hands-on” and “hands-off”, that this sweet and innocent drive can become a most rewarding spiritual practice. What if men were taught to also seduce and impress those beloveds only seen by the third eye, only wooed by recitations of their mantras. What if men could become so shaktified that every sexual act would be devotional meditation, performed in a ritual container, meant to honor and please not only his partner, but also to appease an invoked Goddess?

The rape culture is a symptom of desacralized sexuality. The objectification of women, could also be called the materialization of women. I have been taught by Rhoda and now many others to spiritualize women by honoring their Shakti, and in turn cultivate Shakti within. There’s no better return on investment, I promise.

I sometimes call myself a gender traitor but I’m not a self-hater or a man-hater. Men have potentially infinite strength and power, we are vital ingredients in the energetic alchemy that is red tantric practice. We, in our diverse physical manifestations and sexual orientations, are essential to the electrical engineering circuitry and triangulation of duality towards ultimate unity. Thanks and praises to the ancient tantric devotees and adepts who encoded an unforgettable schematic in both the mild and wild depictions of Kali on top of Shiva. He’s supine to symbolically represent humility and sacred subservience to the divine intelligence and superior sexual-energetic capacity of the Goddess.

In less flowery and more modern language, a man needs pussy training the way I child needs potty training. My work with Rhoda has always been platonic, hands-off and clothed, yet she has taught me some of the most important practices to ensure I’m able to endure the ravaging of a multi-orgasmic woman. The first steps on the path towards male sexual continence, aka “ejaculation choice”, are to activate and open the higher chakras so that all of that high voltage erotic energy has places to go that are up and not out. The bigger and stronger a man’s heart chakra, the more ripped his pelvic floor muscles, the more expansive his lungs, the more loose and limber his hips, the better tuned his singing voice, the less he’ll have to fight premature ejaculation and the more present he will be to behold the rapture of his beloved. The satisfaction and transcendence I have co-facilitated with my lovers can be attributed to the most fundamental and non-explicit tantric practices, most of which were taught to me by Rhoda.

In the near decade I have had the pleasure of knowing and working with Rhoda she has blessed my tantric path and career with a formal and customized initiation program, blessed my music albums with mantras and meditations, blessed my gardens with her eco-spiritual workshops, blessed my acting and educating career by inviting me to model in her film productions, blessed my romantic relationship beginnings and endings, blessed my film productions with her insightful reviews. She has been a perennial blessing.

Disappointing her would be devastating. There will never be a team of jocks, nor frat brothers, nor sympathetic parents, nor heartless lawyers, nor slimy agents, who will push me violate or excuse me for violating the sanctity of a woman’s body/mind/spirit. I have too much to lose.

I’ll end on an uplifting note. When I first watched Rhoda’s Chakra Rights Meditation video I felt like Neo being psyched up to rise above the rules of the Matrix by Morpheus. I got chills and felt a deep ancient roaring power boil in my blood. It occurred to me that I should build some wings to help it fly so I tucked it into a mid-tempo trance track with a root note of C# in A=432hz tuning so it would be a perfect 136.1hz Om frequency experience. Selfishly, it made it easy to dance and meditate regularly, it was like a peanut-butter and jelly sandwich in a baggie. Ready-made, ready to go. Selflessly, it has become a tool for rapid tantric initation for my own students. A sacred dance music track is worth a 1000 mantras, and probably hundreds of thousands of English words. I have prescribed it to skeptical private coaching clients, I’ve warmed up workshops with it, I’ve romanced lovers with it, but so far it’s most glorious application has been the following. I started a Tantra for Sexual Abuse Survivors group and one of the attendees happened to be a social worker providing rehabilitation services for juvenile criminal sex offenders. She took a liking to the Chakra Rights Meditation track and reported to me a couple months after we’d started working together that her clients, who she compassionately and maternalistically referred to as her “babies”, were now dancing and meditating along to it as part of her group therapy sessions. It melted my heart to learn of this and I immediately thought of a talk by Dr. Robert Sapolsky, a scientist on the biology of human evil. In one of his talks he quotes a Catholic Nun in Louisiana who ministers to death row prisoners who said, “The less loveable the person is, the more you must find the means to love them.”

I’m a survivor and as much as I want revenge, I know love is a more powerful instrument of restorative justice. All the abusers on Earth are victims of necrosis of the chakras, their chakras are rotting in the putrid dungeons of non-love. Their innate connection to the source love within, to the natural love of the Earth below, to the divine love from above, has merely been choked off, encrusted, and plaqued by their own early life and past life abuse and trauma. The antidote, the solvent, the disinfectant is love. Love is a vibration that has to be sustained for it to resonate. I trust Rhoda to co-lead the choir. If tantra can be entrusted to people of integrity like Rhoda, I will have great hope for humanity. And I will hope to be given good missions and assignments by a growing decentralized intelligencia of dutiful mothers who train and teach boys and men to salute, bow down, sing, and dance to the little and big “G” goddesses throughout the Yoniverse. May we all seek to eternally impress Shakti in her infinite forms, and hope to earn the opportunity to sip of her divine nectars.

Wisdom Teachings for Sexual Healing with Yalila Espinoza PhD TPP89

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Yalila PicIn this episode I’m joined by Yalila Espinoza, one of my most revered counselors and mentors in the field of psychedelic shamanic sexual healers and researchers.

She was first on the podcast in episode number 4, where we talked about how to take a clinical approach to psychedelic sexual healing modalities.

In this episode she shares her personal story of healing and transformation with plant medicines and tantra as well as wisdom teachings to help both seekers and practitioners on their paths of healing.

Please visit her website at:
https://yalila.com/

About Yalila:

As an integrative health advisor and speaker, I guide leaders to manage their energy for innovative change in their romantic and business relationships. I have invested the last 15 years to weaving my PhD research results, trainings with mentors, and client feedback into my SOMA & YES on-line programs. I utilize solution focused tools, plant teachers, and life coaching skills in my practice with individuals and organizations. You have the opportunity to:

Release misaligned stories and perceptions.
Remember to listen and trust your body.
Revitalize your connection with nature.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 89 I am here with you Lila Espinosa who is one of my first counselors and mentors on my path towards really trying to figure out how to alchemize Cynthia genic shamanic Neo shamanic ceremony and ritual and ethics and container sort of best practices with a clinical perspective as well on that and also the the sexual healing in the Baton tricks and weaving all of those things together in a way that would be you know something you could write a scientific white paper about as research and so you know the first entered the first guest I had on a podcast starting it all off with you either where we we talked about I sort of clinical approach to sexual predation and the use of sacred plant medicines and ceremonial containers to shed light into the astral planes were a lot of this sort of negative energetic parasitism is happening for a lot of people and how we can start to modernize our tactics and I was very influenced by your work you Lila as having seen some of your videos online and we consulted a bit and then we’ve just been yeah on Parallel paths have been a couple of your workshops over the years and have just kind of watched you were offering Blossom more and more and just there’s so much beauty that you have to offer but I really would love to have you just take a lot of time sharing your whole story is really amazing and really humbling and then we can talk more in detail about what you’ve been up to and what you’re planning so people can connect and really hold that to get continuing kind of omage and attribution you know I really have to say I bow down really deep because I could say in a lot of ways I might not even be walking the Earth right now if it wasn’t for some of the wisdom that you have collected in that you are in the shared with me so you know what a powerful medicine so thank you for that again and please sell yeah go ahead and really beautiful to see your pass blossom in witness your transformation and its energies always moving and dancing between you know people and so it really energizes me also to see yourself and other people expanding and moving the the division forward collectively we will we will be stronger and more Innovative together so yeah thank you and I love how you you know open up the space to share a story and you know recently I’ve been thinking about like what is my sister and how do I even express it differently now than it maybe I would have 3 or 5 years ago you know that people watching YouTube videos of me giving presentations that I could debit conferences and one thing that I’ve noticed is how I am now feeling more transparent and comfortable and really sharing my story in a more intimate way and you know that it’s really important to do that because people have have come into my path and see that they’re sharing a lot of Shame and guilt and confusion the more that I can be honest about you know where it come from it just like puts and he’s in a lightness into did the exploration that we can have together and so you know really looking at the bigger picture and my mission being to really put my focus and my my love into reconnecting I’m humans with nature and so that we can learn like how to be nurtured by nature and really seen our bodies as supremely intelligent and the temples of you know so much information and and and also you know the secret Temple or I’m Sexual Energy exchanges and of course you know learning at with the plant teachers and other kinds of psychedelics that really have shown me many different dimensions in terms of what that means to be a sexual being you know so I really bout to put solve it the plants and sea of trees and you know calls and also human beings who have been my teachers and mentors for sharing their love with me so that I’m able to return and exchange the energy and transmits you know whatever would be helpful and useful for people so that being said that I definitely encourage whoever is listening to this to relax and and really find their Center in in their body and enlist in with their whole body and really it don’t take in what resonates and then just leave whatever doesn’t in and so that just again puts like more of like a relaxation and to the discussion and it is severe it can be very intense for people in fairy you know it’s it’s it’s critical I think for a lot of Our Lives actual aspect and yet you know some people will we’re all at different places right sofa to respect each individual where they are and that you know we’re going to find a way differently and that’s wonderful you know different path leading to the remembering our own truth and so you know from me in a really seen how the sexual trauma that I fear in the physical trauma that I experience as a child you know being raised in different foster homes and then luckily be adopted into more of a stable family and you don’t now seeing the effects of that that wounding that happened young really of the sea plants have been trying main healer you know cuz one of the key aspects that I realize is that I did not trust you and being so after all that physical sexual abuse that was you know caused by those who are supposed to care for me and love me the ones that I wanted to trust to do that but that actually didn’t happen so there is a breakdown you know in in that bonding attachment. And so I didn’t trust humans and you know and I I was lucky enough to go into different modalities and Buddhism and you know city is psychotherapy and I worked in the hospital on the medical model for a while so I need to learning different modalities around health and wellness and yet it was really only when I started to drink various plants including Ayahuasca and peyote where I actually was able to surrender and you know and trust that they had my best interest at heart and that they were going to be healing and in such a deep and internal way that then actually help me to open up to trust humans again and you know some people would say well trust is an internal job like if you got to trust yourself and I heard that again and again you Lila just just trust yourself and then you’ll know how to trust that but for those that have come true sexual trauma and something that said that simply isn’t so simple you know so there’s these the you know the of experience and have built up and it’s almost like having like layers of like Linus Charlie Brown distorted lens through which we perceive reality and you know and so that actually can accumulate over the years because then we have the sexual trauma at one point they were making poor decisions later on around her sexuality and then again and adulthood and so were through this process of healing dissolving and smearing these layers of a misalignment right so it’s a no for me taken 10 years to actually be able to even have some sense of what is real you know and how do I feel my body in a full way how do I see my body as a sacred Temple and then remembering and then forgetting again and going to another lesson of like not treating myself while or not treating someone else well and be reminded and going to another layer of of that learning and clearing the wounding and and be coming into until I’m in again so you know being very clear that everything is energy and just learning how I was exchanging my energy with other people and running my energy in my body you know all this the years of drinking plants and learning Tantra and you don’t having a wonderful sexual initiation experiences with different Ventures and and you know in a community so really having a variety of experiences that has led me to this place is like being more you know open and more like trusting that you know I will find my way and other people will find their way so it’s like a a softening you know softening and and being able to actually listen more to my body and to the energy of others so you know there’s there’s many aspects I would say in terms of my personal story of healing and the primary focus being returning back fully into my body this is what why do psychedelics help me to do is be fully again and my body instead of disassociated and Incredible Gift because I’ve chosen to be human in a body right now and so really to to learn how to fully live my life is for me to really fully be in my body and in cherish cherish all the different aspects of being in body that’s beautiful I totally share your sentiment and it is something that people take for granted and and neglect and misuse really there’s a deep humbling to be broken in these ways and then put yourself back together with the help of plants and all of the initiations you’re mentioning and that finding that trustworthy reputable support people supportive Community with with Integrity yeah that sounds beautiful and I have some questions for other talks you’ve given where I fill it would be really instructive to to touch on some things is it is it okay if I bought some high school okay so one of the things you mentioned in a previous talk is this idea that at some point in your sexual development your love life you felt that you would become a black widow that you would just kind of consume man in a way and I’m curious I think a lot of survivors end up either being hyper-sexualized or asexual some pretty extreme on the Spectrum so I’m curious if you could talk more about what it was what was your process or thought process or even like they’re over some people would say that it’s totally up to you know like you’re being possessed you that you’re you’re checked out of your numbed out so just to give people some check list of wow maybe I haven’t had abuse flashbacks but I’m patterning this Behavior so should I go get checked out you know by someone like you Lila who would be able to do a good diagnostic yes excellent question so I see it as in terms of our Sexual Energy the response from wounding which again you know people don’t need to necessarily perceive themselves as having sexual learning if they were sexually abused if there’s rape or whatever I see that special woman is actually present for a lot of us because it’s coming to know families incestral is societal wounding like so there’s all those layers which we can maybe disc you know in terms of for the energy of like either constricting and becoming asexual or expanding to the point of becoming over-sexualized you know I feel like this is a natural response to wounding or misaligned energy and so I noticed that you know I was constricted for us until I was twenty and then just came out of my shell and was you know I would say early 20s it’s actually responsible however I noticed that I I was I was feeling numb and I didn’t really know how to connect with my partners in a heart-to-heart level so I would I would enjoy sex and I could have you know a lot of sex and I can orgasm in all these things but it there was a sense of like this this fiery and animalistic kind of connection which is wonderful and its own but just that hurt connection was missing and therefore the death that I can actually go into with my partner was limited and so I remember being like 30 and being with a partner who out you know we were very much in love and living together and we would have sexual activities like together everyday and yet he once said to me you know I like where are you it feels like I’m like you’re you’re sort of acting in the role like a prostitute your sort of like going through the motions but I don’t feel you and that was a wonderful wake-up call because I was like oh like what am I feeling in this moment and then you know in my thirties like recognizing that you know in my earlier years I was actually had Jean at knee to feel in control and so the way that I express that need was to you no pick him a male just happened to be mad that I did this with and like have them as a at Target and so I was like I’m going to you know get that person and I’m going to let you know do this to them being a female it was somewhat easier to take that role because men didn’t feel threatened by me they’re actually very like awesome how refreshing that have a woman who looks like chases me and knows what she wants so I got a lot of positive feedback from that which fed to you no further choices in in in that area I would like the idea of conquering and so you know how I saw that as in some ways trying to balance out the the sexual disempowerment that I had felt before and you know really hurting myself and perhaps the other people at the same time in that it’s interesting that I actually chose man this is this is where I would say you know just wonderful fortune that at least I chose men that were kind and generous with me and actually loved me and wanted more from me than I was actually able to give so I would be the Runaway Bride in some ways I would start to get close to someone and then just take off very quickly and so that lasted like a trail of Partners didn’t like what what happened here like what I thought she was really amazing and we had a good connection and you know it was just seeing how my attachment the people was it was like ambivalent attachment so I’d be like come here to me I want you and then like push away I’m done and you know I feel like many of us have run into Continuum you know different layers of that kind of dynamic and so you know one of the things in terms of like self evaluation of like okay do I feel fully in my body when I’m with someone can i gaze with them you know when being sexually involved with someone you know what is my response like after what is my decision making and choosing a partner what is my response after you know why I have a sexual liaison with someone so just like tracking a when’s behavior is helpful and also asking for Reflection from partners and friends and family you know because I could not see what I was doing and you don’t having people share with me like how my behavior was affecting them you know finally having my mother say I cannot meet one more of your boyfriends are our mates because there’s so many of them and she would try and get attached to them and then they be gone so she’s like I can’t meet them anymore so that was again like oh okay what am I doing like why am I going through men like this and also you know that the term of Black Widow I felt like you know I will instead of an odd thing to reflect on but that I was almost like a nervous to actually go deeper with someone because I wasn’t sure what would happen to them you know like I wasn’t sure I could to fill the role of a loving partner in a sustainable way so I’d rather just like you know get in there and have like an intense experience and then you know shove them away for their own good kind of thing so it was a lack of self-love of self-worth you know not trusting myself and and also you know on the shamanic path about the whole other story because it can get very complicated when you’re learning different shamanic techniques when you’re an apprenticeship and involving the sacred plant medicine you know that our energies open up in a wavy become very sensitive and intake in a lot of energy of other people so you know that was a whole other phase of like actually helping me to be more aware of how I was exchanging my Sexual Energy in that pattern of hunting Men actually stopped you know after maybe four years in the past because I saw way more concretely and intensely the consequences of my behavior and of my decision-making and you know I say stop it did stop it and then I really went through a phase of like literally going along plant do you get this I think it was a. Of like three years where I didn’t have any sexual connection with anybody and that was bizarre for me so I feel like I really blast that I’ve had the experience of being very slow and quiet and you know focusing on my healing my body and my spiritual connection to very expensive and you know going to festivals and you know traveling and really being sexually open to what you know a lot of different situations it’s a long a long answer in your I’m kind of studying this more deeply now because it’s more it’s coming up for a lot of colleagues clients just in my ongoing research I just about the show something is really been hitting me hard that sits on the other end of the spectrum is is the is the the sort of from the I guess I will call it a form of side effects cursing or something where you know how many how many women out there who are overweight but say have made a decision in the childhood mind that Daddy will stop touching me if I become less attractive and it becomes a a way to just be armored in this so that you know there’s like a story that comes out if you could go back to yourself at that time what would you sort of prescribe you know now but in addition to the plants and everything but it’s far as just like a session a counseling session with someone this morning who’s a client you know we were I was basically sharing how you know there’s all these different layers of wounding such a wounding that happens right from birth and so no partly it you know we do the best we can to live through Transitions and yet it catches up to us right so there’s going to come a point has and being humans at most often we will wait for a crisis right to actually be mindful of what is the inner dialogue and how are we behaving and actually reach out for support and you know the crisis being either you know an accident and disease divorce you know where something else and so what I was saying it at this morning is that you don’t we have all these sexual transitions in our life that are not honored and so what if I were to go back to myself and you know I was 2520 you know I would say you know less take some time to honor where we’re at you know in and engage in some kind of ritual you tend to the the the energy body or physical body like 10 to the wounding like go to a repair process and you know not just with myself but with a can a counselor or you know of some kind of practitioner that that knows about sexual energy and and rituals and actually honor those pieces and bring back the pieces that have been torn away so they they called like Soul retrieval so many people are walking around out there whole soul and and no wonder we get into complex challenges and Chaos so really going to your post to mend this chair and bring back this piece of me in humidity in ritual and then be able to see more clearly and be able to actually learn better decision-making tools you know being able to actually be inspired to live differently or live in alignment you know with with our Purpose with our truth and so that would be something that I wish I had had and that I think that is extremely important on Asus I don’t like cultural level and in that really it’s it’s together it’s in community that we’re really going to heal and this will help to dissolve the shame and the secrecy you know that’s so many people carry and that actually is so tax on our bodies and psyche right and so that’s really the the Crux of how is it that we then reach out to addictive you know substances are addictive patterns or you know just knowing we don’t want to do it but we’d end up doing it because we’re trying to cope the best we can with what we have an end you know part of it are our best selves or not even like with us you know they’re connected with you know the family trauma than sestrel you know lineage and so I’m just you know about down to everyone who who is finding their way the best way they can write without the support they need and we are very industrious and tenacious of beings and any in really seem like wow we could as a society really brings so much more I’m healing and playfulness you know that’s the other thing healing doesn’t have to necessarily be like terrifying you know terrible process healing can be I’m so liberating you’re asking me is actually the suffering that we carry and suggest really be supported by Community to step through the threshold going through the wounding you know being held by love and safety that you know once we’re through a tree like oh wow you know I can’t believe how different I feel you know I can’t believe that I made it through you know so that’s part of the initiation piece that the initiation but you know by definition going through the threshold you know so being one way of being and then you go through no Dark Night of the Soul or whatever and then you come out and actually shedding you know the layers of Illusion and because remembering who you are again and then you are a whole person right and then the initiation peace being that you know once you’re through that threshold your health and community and actually honored for who you are as as just simply you as an infected being the pit stop for the Soul II it to have helped achieving or accessing sexual wholeness before you go out and get yourself in a bunch of trouble with your skewed what you’re taking from childhood in and so now it’s it’s it’s sad and ironic but really what used to be a a rite of passage into the joy of experiencing being a grown-up and having a wonderful array of sexual experiences that are culturally sanctioned and and diverse in fulfilling a nurturing and all these things that it used to be in our perspective and ecological perspective on on sexual initiation in our ancestral past before patriarchal civilization was say and now it’s it’s sad because so many of us want to restore initiation but really we’re not starting with the Clean Slate or not starting with the healthiest late we’re talking about extreme I mean it would be initiation into recovery from your sexual wounding throughout childhood whether it’s just circumcision and whether it’s Billboards whether it’s sexual trauma and abuse so you’re definitely one of the most qualified people in my network of fellow pewter practitioners Scholars and researchers and so I would really love to hear you take plenty of time to sort of fleas she is to take a step back seeing the bigger picture of seeing this all his energy and you know in terms of like an ideal initiation ritual you know first I feel like there needs to be so much more education around Sexual Energy in general and you know it’s it’s interesting how when I first started offering Pro sexual initiation programs that many men you no say in the thirties and forties would be put off and not reach out because they’re like no I’m not sexually when did you know I wanted to see themselves that way and that’s what it’s really a Charged area so I know she had to take stuff and focus on just teaching some of the basics about energy and communication so that’s like the first level that I feel as a society we need to focus on and that Ashley is refer impossible because it’s not so threatening by the mainstream authorities or Educational Systems you know so I feel like it is possible and that waited for me the important thing is to learn how to meet people where they’re at so they feel safe and taking the first step so you know I started off being like everyone needs sexual initiation and amazing if like in their teens they could like choose you know how they wanted to have their ritual whether it was riding a horse in the middle of a field with a community sending around like latinas easing community in Europe just Fanta I interviewed been actually and I was like yeah beans and yeah it just seems so weird and whatever so I’m like okay I’m going to you know start really simple and you know it can be as simple as person wherever they live you know if it’s a small town or they don’t have much money it’s like the first step you know get a few friends together in your home and have the focus Beyond sharing your first sexual experience storytelling a storytelling night you know could be in your home or Community Hall Road ever and get people together to share stories and sound so simple and it is so powerful just have enough space to share one story and then seeing how their similarities you know with other people in that Circle can be extremely healing right so there are ways to actually connect with each other and you don’t go through initiation that doesn’t have to be some like strange far-out shamanic you know kind of situation it can be Simply Be witnessed you know in in Sharing one’s true story and feeling safe enough you know it to do that you know it and any other hand like if if there is a potential for you know fundraising for a different heiner complementary sexual education program that would be where I would focus my energy in terms of bringing back and did the initiation through transition you know when we have a baby you know different cultures celebrate in different ways and so I’m just speaking in terms of what I know of in North America do you know also bringing circles and people together you know after people have a miscarriage you know after people go to menopause maybe for men you know their sexual desire their sexual functioning changes you know is it possible to bring people together and just like say hey this is what’s happening to me let through it could be through you know I sound healing or making or just move dance or moving or something where it’s just like okay here’s where we’re at let’s move the energy so that one person is not carrying it you know all the Thousand becomes like a heavy burden right so you know how beautiful is the indigenous traditions where they actually brought the perpetrator or you’re the one who is harming others are causing friction in a community and how they bring them in Into The Circle of Care and you know they have people there to hear their story and and to love them up you don’t have to find a way of treating the issue is like a collective issue so so now you know doing that free app for people where there is there is a movie criminal activity or heal people who are really harming each other in a physical way but we can bring people together where you know it’s is folks who are carrying the shame or guilt of something that they’ve done and being able to hold everyone in in that Circle and that alone can bring such healing in the community that I’ve heard of some communities that are able to do this and so many more people so that they can hold this face right it would be beautiful to have the academic background and if you don’t mind it be cool to spend a few minutes actually trying to model and chart out a bit what some of these Cycles are cuz you just mentioned one that that I had never seen a community address before the idea of the transition of male menopause they call it sometimes you know for me there was no there was no guidance around my first wet dreams my first directions my first ejaculations my first experiences that were consensual cuz there were a lot that weren’t before that you know where I was abused in if we kind of map this out there is really there should be songs for everything they should be songs and dances and of course herbal preparations for different things because one of the blessings that I’ve had in my life is to go through a nine-month sexual initiation program myself because I’m like wait a minute I’m like studying this you know doing PhD research in it I’m like talking about it at conferences and I had to be hung I humbled myself and I’m like wait a minute in my own you no initiation progression and so I was like I need to go through my own initiation and so taking at 9 months in community going to different rituals learning how to hold space excetera and one of the activities that I assumed was like a no-brainer or is like it’s not going to mean much for us to write a letter A love-letter to the opposite gender and then also the next step was to write a love letter to are under it was just so wonderfully liberating you know and so like you know I’m popping out for someone say going to still like Ashley simply write the letter and then in a circle in a circle of people you know of safety and in love is for people to actually read their letters you know with with with in front of everyone and and and what it means to then as a man like reflecting on where you come from and then what it means to actually move forward you know it and in the blessings of the the transformation of one’s body once taking Septra to be witnessed by women so I think the two often a couple turns to each other and like things that they can actually figure things out themselves and actually feel sexually you know stimulated + sexually you know that piece and you know just care for buy one other person and I I feel most often is impossible so it’s really to have a man may be going to these changes and then in the circle like hearing the reflections of other women and like what what that means for women collectively and for the Man 2 leave that but wow there are blessings in here I am still loved if you know I’ve kind of lost her you know just connected to the my Hughes where I was very Tetra but to have that reflection not only for one other people can be extremely powerful boosting interesting topic and territory that I haven’t heard discussed a lot and I like where this is going and I wanted to share a little bit more ask a couple things if that’s okay on this topic so have you heard of something called the Coolidge effect it was it was disgusting insects it Don and I’m going to I’m going to not even attempt to try to tell the story of where it came from but it is an interesting phenomenon that has been discovered in nature and it’s been extrapolated to two human males but basically there’s a high level of interest that starts to wane sort of naturally really at any age in a relationship separate from the timing of menopause but let’s just say sexual novelty wears off over time we will call the love curve or the honeymoon phase or whatever but it’s actually physiological kind of pattern and then in farm animals it was very obvious what are breeding that there’s a massive performance a sort of it was the Fountain of Youth for males is sexual diversity and Novelty and so if a couple is monogamous together for years and years and years and not acknowledging that that is a natural factor in an actual curve they could be setting themselves up for a lot of suffering and it’s it’s sort of a I guess a scientific rationale to be more open-minded when it comes to sexual expression and so some people can say oh you’re just a scoundrel and you just want to have an excuse to cheat or something I’m not into you know committed monogamous relationship so I’m not I’m not pushing those boundaries but I’m just worried we’re looking at the gender the discourse and everything and really that the opposite side of that though is that well if you’re a woman and you want your man to be hard all the time you know and he can’t do it or he’s bust some in best in you or insects in general or whatever then if you had an open port to go in and seek Young Bucks you know if a couple with aging together and they said you know what honey you’re not doing it for me the way you used to I’m not doing it for you the way you used to and even Gary Noll said and he’s a you know he’s like a a researcher of all things Health and Wellness in physiology sexuality and he said answering a question for this older couple what do we do if we’re not you know into each other too much what I said bring it bring in a twenty-year-old into the bedroom and see what happens you know interesting if you think out of the box and there is more community and access where were acknowledging that there’s East natural cycles but if you’re really not you don’t have to be or this is my offering for something to you too to address and talk about is dressing U Cycles is if there weren’t such if you weren’t so imprisoned in this constructive monogamy and saying you don’t love me if you’re not attracted to if you know what I mean that’s just not fair it’s not fair on either side so what are your thoughts on on kind of I have had many clients you reach out for this reason of lack of sexual connection lack of interest on meth head couples comes to me and you know honestly I feel like I’m still be getting on this I do and so I’m very mindful of like what you know that I’m still learning still learning and I was blessed to have time in the San Francisco Bay Area to actually go pretty deep into educating myself you know academically and personally in terms of the polyamory relationships visiting different communities really getting a sense of how are people making decisions and going to their lives and end in the different phases and say the first thing I have to say is that each person really is responsible for finding their way that is an alignment with their true so you know polyamory monogamy whatever in between it all depends on the person and the couple right so I don’t I think what works for some people may not work for others and you know I bow down to all the couples who are able to be married for 30 plus years and feel that great love for each other and their sexualize may be different from what I want or think is good but they have deep love and they found their way and also bad on to those couple of so you know have open relationships and and find their way into greater love and deeper love and you know so I feel like if we can talk more openly about our needs and what was happening and have it lasts of a taboo then we will feel more inspired and and safer to Ashley Explorer what are these different options you know when one studies no different sexual Traditions there are many kinds of permutations that communities have tried and have worked for them you know how many different kinds and that and that it’s some of them have been shocking baby to contemporary Western Minds some not some they’re open and they really want to try it on. So I feel like it’s really the first step is to Johnny no one’s needs and to learn how to communicate them and then to be supported in Exploration I just got a big gray my know cuz I feel like what this could become really is is is a theme park of sorts where you could have some sort of safe container to a lot of people would be if he used to cuddle party kind of motif where there’s no swapping of fluids no risk of really any kind of you know transfer transmission of disease and if it was kind of rotational more like speed-dating you know people weren’t necessarily get attached but the idea that let’s have a this is how they did it in the South American tribe were they had what they called shared fraternity and they practice sexual Hospitality let’s let’s be adults Who Made Who do make believe and what would it feel like to have a visitor come and have your wife and your best friend’s wife fighting over which of them is going to be offered voluntarily with with Glee to the guests to be the the Ambassador representing the health of the community and possibly to increase the diversity of the gene pool so there’s an ecological population ecology Dimension to some of these customs and then you might discover hey we should start swinging because this is a shih tzu immersion into what were really not even allowed or dare to even imagine anything different and I’m going to love the time so I guess the problem is to experience out of the western box are really risky and dangerous and that’s a problem for high as you mention that we are living in a particular time in North America where we have the privilege of actually speaking about this and exploring it and really be aware of all those that do not have that safety and where there is a lot of sexual violence that is still going on so that my point being that really really needs to be so much mindfulness and creation of safety because what one person would think is like an exploration you know testing out you know could really be harmful for another person and and you know in terms of safe containers that you never know where sexual running lies and that it you know it’s really pertinent for those in the circle to have some train people who can hold space because you might innocently be going about experiencing then someone has a flashback or something happens you know and you want to be able to guide that person within the group to the the shore to the safety of the shore and if so yes I just really want to acknowledge all those that really have this desire to try out and explore and yet you know they’re there just it’s It’s tricky to to know how to feel safe with certain people and certain groups and you know one of the Prime examples is that you know with that I watch the ceremonies and other spiritual groups where women and men go for healing and exploration of you know the psyche and Consciousness and yet are sexually traumatized and you know I’m harmed and by the Healer by the skilled you know practitioner and yet now there’s another layer right of trauma and you know what does that mean for the community so it’s just a very concrete example of something that I’ve actually Whitney where you know you’re at you’re taking certain indigenous cultures and you’re trying to mix you know interweave different modalities and exploration and for the community to really talk about you no potential pitfalls and this is the way that we’re going to address them to keep everyone as safe as possible that’s that’s really thank you for that for being one of the good guys out there shepherding this experience of initiation I mean I was just yeah there’s is a shaman or the sorcerer are they a guru or the Predator I mean it’s and I’d like to think that just learning Tantra from women is 99.9% safest protection for anybody same thing probably with the medicines and I’m kind of always wanting to that made a joke recently I mean there’s a lot of men in Township who have just developed Powers let’s say the sexual powers and have the Shakti but are not really doing the Davey sadhna so maybe they’re not really getting a lot of direction from the from goddess about what to do with their multi-orgasmic prowess and so they just use it to become sex addicts into just conquer and colonize and build Empires and of broken hearts and an empty bank account send gossip in Madness and I feel my calling having been broken more as a Survivor I feel like I’d rather see a priestess class that oversees all of these things sex medicine Health power politics weapons land at Oracle Priestess class you know rather than being a compulsive with my sexuality I’m trying to actually facilitate this 64 yogini Mondello kind of just suppressed lineage of chocolate on show where they were figuring these things out and basically one of the most Valiant attempts to restore a deeper more Prime Bonnabel like matriarchy for all these to be for these powers to be interested in too so I guess I should ask you you know I know that you did that research I’d like it if you would talk about your your PhD thesis research which is a lot to do with this stuff and then we know what you’re seeing on the horizon of women taking these powers back and men being in service and volume down and you know building the infrastructure for women to run temples and really be the trustworthy trusted class with all this stuff wonderful wonderful vision and you know first I want to say that I can only speak for myself in that I trust myself and I’m certain I trust myself the whole safe space for people and I still have my lundi that I am dancing with and and learning how to honor the Shadow and and weave it in with the light and that only reason I think I’m able at this point in my life you served in in such a comprehensive way is because I actually have experienced feeling like the victim you know feeling like a Survivor experience feeling like the perpetrator as well you know so and also the Savior so I feel like you know opening myself up so you really dive deep into those archetypes and learning how to weave them these different parts within myself so that their allies and actually stronger to be in service is is that really the only way that I that I personally can can make offering so just just a note that yeah beautiful vision and that women still with the routing can be skewed in the way that they also offer things in and and I love how you said Sandman hold the infrastructure and and be in service that way for the women to really take the leadership in in communities because we do need everyone involved and in order to shift the Paradigm so you know in terms of the PC research I focus on North American women who have been in I watch the ceremonies and actually involved in plant deetta’s which is based in the vegetative leave Smosh I’m shamanic tradition and you don’t feel free to go to my website youtube.com y a l i l a.com to get more info on that I don’t know but it is a it’s a practice that the women that interviewed have been involved in I’m basically focusing on their sexual healing Journeys and how the erotic energy of plant features help to inform them of remembering of themselves as erotic beans and really seeing that these plants in body in a masculine energy you know I’m showing us how these intelligent life-forms are actually holding and and merging these energy can then be replicated in the human reality so that was really beautiful Journey both personally and academically and you know then really seeing how I could best yo go to my own sexual journey and mentioned you know having to really look at myself honestly and go to my initiation and continue to do that you know to really fill in the gaps in and take back the missing pieces in my life and then how to offer that for other people and what I noticed a lot of folks would come to me for concert teaching what was interesting is that we actually had to go through a 6-month process just to prepare themselves to actually clear at some of the misaligned energies and being around you know the family special piece that’s often missed to even get to the country breathing the kind of Lenny you know techniques etcetera because it’s sort of like you know the new shamanic and effectiveness of let’s learn Tantra a way of life you know how we’re relating to life, people forget that they actually know it and embodied way it’s necessary to go through these first steps and so I found that I was actually wanting to jump into an area that people weren’t ready for so then I created the sexual initiation program and you know basically focusing on the seven energy centers and having and different rituals for each Center and that could take quite a while for some people you know there is a lot of material there I actually want and are ready to go into it so I backed off from from that offering and actually created to other programs that are more of an introductory level to get people prepared for the sexual initiation program and one of them is like basic information and it’s called the yes penny for your energy systems and like basic information to teach people like just reflecting notice what’s happening in their body and in their relationships with other people and nature so you know starting off with the very basic teachings on energy really focused on you know people who may be brand new to this area because I was having living in the San Francisco Bay Area I had a lot of clients who came from the business World from the tech world and this is all very new to them like you ask them what are you feeling right now and they’re like I don’t know or like imagine yourself as a tree in there like I don’t know how to do that are really tweak every different language and you really getting learning how the techies think you know and different layers of structures and learning how to actually educate and transmit the information so that they can get it and then also creating a program called soma and this is focus again on sometimes people are not ready to go on a psychedelic Journey they’re not ready to run eyes Alaska ceremony I’m not a I’m not a Ayahuasca Pusher you know where so I can talk, being an introductory level of teaching for people to learn about plants and trees in their own backyard and that there are allies that are around us at all times including simply connecting like walking barefoot on the grass or on the other Senator you know Earth their ways of connecting and actually healing our bodies and psyche that are very simple and so creating a program where people can actually whatever they live you know these are both online programs to wherever they live being able to learn some tools around alter building connecting with elemental allies meditation embodied practices you know starting with the basics and really the key being that there in community and so that they’re actually sharing their Journey they’ve been able to like your stories and information with each other because I’m one person I don’t I can’t hold everything or know very much so really having the support of the other intelligent beings in the group and that this will help prepare you know people who may feel isolated you know me feel new to this area that they can actually start the conversation you know within themselves within their Partnerships and in their community and then learned that the contract teachings you know you could say that some of the material is Tantra but you know as I said before like we’re getting in the way and making it accessible to people has been my focus on this site I feel what’s so missing and so wrong is that it should be more like what were used to with The Apprentice of but Save The Karate Kid kind of coach Phil template where you don’t even know you you’re just doing something that focuses your attention you’re doing the wax on wax off your learning A movement but you were sort of being invited to Pond you know riddles even and it’s not just you don’t just buy the whole package and get it all and have all of the secrets on your lap as long as it takes you to download the file you know it’s it’s kind of be more metered out and some people aren’t they have to be you know let’s say restricted from access to things that they’re not morally or intellectually or spiritually capable to to to do right with so I really appreciate that you’re that you’re developing these these in these areas where where is a lot of other than you know on structures that say maybe don’t have his as many as well-rounded of a perspective is this is a you have everyone’s doing great work I believe I love you with all my other guests are doing but I I got to say again I mean for me and my mission and what I’m hoping to create in the world really you were one of the five salute you very highly because this is what I was when I’m thrilled to hear about is this you know very very soft full careful, painstaking meticulous teasing out of of all these different micro wounds and how we address them and this is great and wonderful I really appreciate that you’re in adult kindergarten with all this stuff as you know so we got to be humble with his with his power and we’re so far from the the Grandeur of our ancestors in in the shamanic traditions and in the country traditions and so you know they were holding lineages passing-down things really keeping this fabric together in a life spanning generations and they were even in there in a lot of their minds coming back to do more work over the course of multiple lifetimes in trying to pick up where they left off and you know that’s a way different bird and Andres mobile of responsibility with power than most people have who just want to be out there playing with matches you know putting don’t they don’t know what kind of curse is there putting on people what kind of spell they’re casting in and I’m one of them to it’s a very you know humbling kind of the thing to see how many people have wanted to just be benevolent altruistic good not manipulative not self-serving these are the first and you know what I’ve felt is extremely important for me to have compassion for myself as an adult you know kindergarten Explorer and compassion for others and as you mentioned there are many paths people teaching in different ways and that as we received this Transmission in such and such a fast way compared to you know our ancestors use the wisdom you know Basket open is that we really have patience with ourselves and others and compassion because we are all learning we we’ve had a he’s missing piece you know in our Evolution that that’s been suppressed you know and so now we’re opening up and we’re learning how to navigate this information the power and you know really proud of my focus being also with these programs to talk about leadership so what does it mean when we’re gaining this information and power and how to actually being authentic and body leaders you know so that were in service in in the highest and deepest way possible like that’s in alignment in a with what is need it in the grander scale So yeah thank you for for mentioning that awesome so what do you want to tell us that before we wrap up finally again your website and maybe some things you have planned I definitely want to just have a clearer sense of if I let a listener who wants to get started with you what it what are all the options and what is there to choose from and then from my perspective I’m just curious what you have planned and you know I’ve been doing a lot of Media stuff and feel like that’s kind of my calling and I’m wondering if you have what kind of media projects you might have for his 2 to look for to look forward to well it’s interesting because I feel like the creative juices are flowing very beautifully and me these days and I have so many ideas in my task these days is to stay focused on a few offerings and to learn about timing so yeah the media have all kinds of interest you know just and I’m really excited so I will wait to talk about those maybe next year you know really looking at the bigger picture and terms of what I see in offering the in the best way possible for me and and the people that are drawn to me is to focus on integration and so I’ve an accessibility so the the easiest way to get connected my website you Lila. Com way e a l i l a.com so the first step in the easiest way is there is a psychedelic integration monthly group so anyone that’s interested in psychedelic I and integration he’s able to I’m go to the EULA. Com members page and sign up and it’s all online there is a community at Facebook Community Forum there’s you know I’m going to be giving teaching video teachings every month and it’s an easy way and you know for someone to put their foot their toe in the water kind of thing in connecting with me and in the community just really noticing that one of her people will come in and out of circles and Retreats and programs but then not hearing from them again and I I just adore Folks at that I need and being able to serve and I’m just like so curious like what are they up to and and knowing that they have so much to offer community so that’s the first thing psychedelic integration online members group then I mentioned the two programs the Soma three-month online program and then the six-month Yes program again you can find info on my website now the I do give Retreats I’m limiting them to for a year and so having a retreat in British Columbia wine in California when in New York and one in Hawaii I just got back from Hawaii and let it be my first Retreat there which was amazing I just the energy there so really trying to focus on those four areas and then the rest of my focus on the in-between phase so really giving people you know tools to integrate well and to step into greater leadership role so you know I give private sessions in person mostly online because folks are coming from different different areas and I live in but finding a way to actually make it accessible for for a lot of different people so so that’s that’s what I’m up to I do have some projects that I spending more time in this year that are exciting that that again I’m going to keep it a little bit quiet right now I’m because I feel like I’m pregnant with them and so just want them to to grow in my belly a little bit more and get stronger but I do look forward to sharing with you again in the future and for the first time ever and now 89 episodes but I feel like I’m going to make it a tradition there’s the spirit guiding I think this our knowing each other and I think it would be great to ask you know that this listenership is growing and I feel like I’m not just a voice in the wilderness I’m curious if you have any needs that you’re looking for in terms of anything I mean it could be anything but I feel like now whoever is really moved by this conversation with you Lila and wants to not only access their services or maybe if if they have a skill or a physical object or resource how how can people Supply you and make your mission that much easier if you know of and just don’t be shy could be anything be given a course of beautiful thank you for the opportunity and I love how you say Mission and really it’s whoever shares of mission in reconnecting with the intelligence of you know other than human beings and the intelligence of our bodies first of all and let whoever I’m also feels passionate about the role of leadership a new paradigm a leadership right now you know just looking at the political changes and and all kinds of changes that we’re going through and that more people are really needing to take responsibility and step up you know to really bring and their gifts and shine all right now so anyone who feels that calling I definitely welcome the connection and you know for those who have skills in technology marketing building my weaknesses I would love to connect with you and you know I’ve been blessed with a lot of beautiful people right now who are training with me and I have an awesome assistant right now so really at who are people who are interested in working on a team you know collectively to nurture you know that this Mission and let’s see also you know anyone who is passionate about a holistic health and wellness like even practitioners are skilled in different modalities I’m really interested in you no First Nations health and wellness the are Vedic you know health and wellness Western medicine you know I came from the hospital and medical model and see the power of them of that knowledge not wanting to Discount that you know that whole model but really want me to bring the best out of that model and and also of course that the shamanic Technologies and how to merge shamanic Technologies with the modern Technologies in in business and in artificial intelligence actually I’m interested in that area as well so really are harnessing the best of technology so all of those you folks who are tech-savvy very interested in connecting with you and in general you know anyone that feels like it would be great for me to connect with someone in your community you know I trust your intuition and your inspiration so please reach out you Lila. Com and the email is support at you Lila. Com so thank you so much for opening that that that the possibilities for a for all of us that have cilia one last thing I would add to that it said you were a very highly skilled and trained really unique skill-set for clinical research if if so if you want to talk a little about that cuz that’s my dream if anybody’s out there and want to help me and her going to sort of follow up on where we started you know a few years ago with some visioneering around what we would do to actually start ghostbusting perpetrators and healing on both sides of the victim perpetrator saying there’s some some clinical work to be done there so do you want to talk a bit about that such a great reminder thank you because I am a researcher at heart and I now have systems in place where I’m tracking information for all the people that are coming through programs do I need to do research yet so definitely anyone who is a writer a researcher who can collect data and collect stories and amalgamate them in a way that’s actually very accessible for folks out there I I have done quite a bit of research and academic writing and yet now I feel more inspired to to put my focus in other areas and Sophia connecting with those researchers and writers would be amazing and I feel like that is the beauty of transmitting information right not only to podcast and you know videos blogs Etc but the other really creating innovative ways to move this revolution you know forward would be really amazing is talk I’ve been waiting for a while and just for the right time seems to be now we both got a lot of beautiful things that I’m going on and so again I I just thank you so much for being there for me and my Dark Night of the soul of my my hour of need you know several years ago now and really it’s again a big thanks to you and homages and appreciation for helping to facilitate more success stories of recovery and I just can’t wait to hear what you have next in and we’ll definitely be in touch so thank you so much Aloha podcast please go to www. R2park.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provides ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. Com Thomas Day

Beyond the Neo Vs. Classical Tantra Duality with Triambika TPP83

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Triambika picIn this episode I’m blessed to be able to explore the great works of Triambika Ma Vive and her masterful synthesis of neo and classical tantra. We discuss how to translate the esoteric principles of ancient tantra into modern cross-cultural interfaith language, theory and practice.

About Triambika:

“Playboy TV’s #1 Tantric Expert”

Triambika is an internationally recognized seminar leader, professional sex and conscious intimacy coach and the founder of The Ecstatic Awareness Institute.
She has guided thousands of men and women to empower their sexuality, by helping them to release shame, gain confidence, learn to have extraordinary sex, experience exceptional stamina and create healthier relationships.

Her powerful work with singles and couples have been featured on the Playboy channel, Personal Life Media, Source Tantra, Gilad Creative Media and as the lead host and emcee for the International Sex and Consciousness Conferences.

Triambika brings her depth, intuition, passion and magnetism to her work. Harnessing her extensive training and practice with the time-honored tradition of Tantra, human sexuality, non-dual spirituality, masculine and feminine dynamics, NLP, and body-based modalities including yogic therapy and bodywork, she helps her clients to reach authentic sexual freedom and to form fulfilling relationships that support the highest expression of who they are.

Based in Southern California, Triambika works globally guiding men and women everyday to lead a more empowered and authentic sexual life.

Being a seasoned practitioner and educator of sacred sexuality, Triambika also offers practitioner trainings for sexual healers and women’s sensual empowerment courses throughout the United States, Australia and Europe.

Guided by her resolute purpose to provide intelligent, accessible and unforgettable education, she is enthusiastically committed to coaching with compassion, fun and individualized attention.

Please visit her website at:
http://ecstaticawareness.com/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 83 I am doing an interview here with tree ambika mavi and she is Playboy TV’s number-one tantric expert which definitely has caught my attention among other things and intimacy coach and founder of the ecstatic awareness Institute and is really one of the world’s greatest living country code facilitators and and healers that I’ve become aware of and we weave briefly cross paths in different circles and I’m really excited now it’s Grandma cat have you as a guest and if you would be so kind just kind of give us your your life story how you got on this path of of Tantra and beyond happy to be here right now with you and getting to chat together my life story where to begin you know this path yeah I could say where it started as far as you know when I first started hearing about Tantra but I think it’s valuable to just go a little bit further back and say that I grew up with Catholic parents of a Colombian upbringing so Latin American upbringing and and Catholic religion and so there was a lot of Shame and there was a lot of stuff around sexuality and do you know you just really a lot of confusion and being a spiritual person and as I have always been it was this journey to try to find myself and my spirituality and yet not see myself as a slut or a hore which is a lot of wet you know that the extra tradition would have you think I’ll when you also want to be a sexual being so the idea of spirituality and sexuality in the same sentence was completely unheard of for me so I went forward in the world having to cope with that and there was some difficulty for me around that and being a very sexual being I wanted to explore I wanted to find out more about what was out there in this life and as soon as I became old enough I began to explore in the world of of sex work but not not having sex but more so it was a it was a roll of doing a lingerie modeling and I’ll say lingerie modeling and quotes it was kind of like a private Peep Show and and you know on the men were allowed to make themselves as comfortable as they wanted in the room and you know where they’re at their I am and and this computer lingerie and there’s like a chair with a box of tissues in a bottle of Jergens what kind of what kind of establishment will see how to say the name of course but I’m just curious how this was facilitated as a business model is like an establishment or if this was something you did before Craigslist and Backpage and all that well well before Craigslist and Backpage and probably before I even heard of the internet at that stage I was only 18 19 and I I thought it was sort of like a lingerie store a front for lingerie store that kind of had maybe six to eight pieces of really cheap lingerie hanging in the front and the guys can come and choose their model and there be about two or three of us working at any time and then we go and you’ll have a sort of a private keep show and you know I learned a lot during those years and I and I learned that I could make a lot of money and that was fun but I also had to learn a lot about my boundaries which I didn’t realize I had until only after they already been crossed so I know I went through a lot of trial and error in that phase and not knowing myself fully yet not knowing what my boundaries were and through being in a scene where people wanted to take advantage of me I just had to kind of get through that and I found myself at a crossroad where I was I’d made a lot of money and I’d saved a lot of money and I wanted to get out of the business and I was really struggling with with myself with my identity I have a lot of shame I felt I’m very insecure so a lot of of those internal turmoil that happened when when you don’t know yourself and your exploring sexually and a lot of things are happening very quickly so I so I went off on a spiritual journey to India and that was the first time I’d heard the word Tantra and in that in that time I learned that I had all these issues you know you don’t always know that you’ve got all the stuff going on so I realize why I’ve got a lot of issues and I have a lot to heal and the word Tantra just rang so loud and true for me it was it was just an instant connection that I had to the word and I said I got to know what that is I got to follow that path so the following year I I moved from Miami to California and I started sneaking out teachers and seeking out workshops and books and whatever I can get my hands on and from there I began and I found teachers and I found some amazing people along my path and I began to receive healing work and so as I started to receive Tantra healing work on myself from trained practitioners trained Dhaka Zen dakinis I began to release immense amounts of grief and shame and fear in my body and it was being immediately replaced with love and self-acceptance and appreciation for who I am and I started to transform and it was in it happened relatively quickly I started to see the changes and that just that was it I just never look back and I I just knew right away this is my path so having been in the world of sexuality from the very beginning and early as I was legal I you know it was it was a natural transition to go from a very unconscious sexual scene to healing myself and going more towards conscious awake and sexuality and it just made all the difference for me and all the difference in my relationships and and just how I progressed in the world awesome do you want to talk about how you are you’ve sort of found a career path through all that that is led to your rising up to instructor kind of leader facilitator coach all that good stuff will I went ahead and started to train pretty early on and started to take zucchini training the Tantra teacher trainings of Charles me or as one of my dear beloved friends and teachers and you know very very close like family to me so he he was instrumental for me and and several other teachers and I and so my career in this path again early and in over the years it took many forms and so I think that how it progresses that because I started at an early age and I’ve been involved in the work for so long naturally I built a name for myself and I also started started to a create a distinction between what was out there for a little people who were doing different modalities of sex work versus doing more sexual healing work and really making a name for myself in that way and that there is a difference and and there’s nothing wrong with either one of them but that there is something transformative that can happen and even you know in the face of pleasure right that it can be such a powerful transformative experience when when it’s done with the right amount of presents so after several years and the field I went ahead and studied with a Groove for about 12 years on I took initiation into a kashmiri tantric lineage and that was I think we’re thing started at transform because I I started integrating more of the classical traditional teachings of Tantra and a gain a lot of respect in the community for for having done that and and and study done in that in-depth way yeah and I and then the next big piece for me was was with with the Sedona Temple and the International School of Temple art where we began teaching training in spiritual sexual shamanic experiences and and now that training is being taught all over the world so I was one of the founding members of that and yeah it’s just been an amazing journey and I continue to coach and work with people one-on-one and I just I love what I do and I continue to train also a practitioners and that’s been another big pieces it’s raining men and women who want to do this workout in the world and I just I love all of it well it’s also so there’s definitely a lot of really deep material there that as far as you’re having that rich culturally authentic experience training and also that so it’s like you’ve become the synthesis of Neo Tantra and classical Tantra and that is a really exciting and Powerful combination because you probably have a great vantage point to kind of shed light on the whole Spectrum so yeah I’m really excited to to explore that a bit I’m I guess I’m curious how was your how did Playboy channel discover you or how did you get pitched her how did that that bridge get across I’m curious and I received an email from from Scout and one afternoon and they wanted to bring me in to do an episode 4 one of their swingers shows called swing and and then they brought me in again and is it just kind of went from there or so it was really just they went out searching for someone just like me and they they were there having a hard time finding it because it’s that kind of combination between you know a lot of people do Tantra and it’s a modality of sex work which is great and it’s awesome and I and I love that there’s people that are you don’t taunt Rica’s and doing sex work and what they were looking for though is a little bit more of the educational aspect and somebody that they can you don’t bring in to really teach and coach and so that’s what I am awesome so yeah it would you would you be okay with talking a bit about your experience that the traditional lineage Based training and she had just kind of maybe start with an overview and then we can zoom in here and there sure well I won’t mention his name because I know that you wouldn’t want me to do that but I will say that walking the guru to disciple path is really something else I something it’s it’s definitely for certain individuals who want that I personally don’t think I knew what I was getting myself into but I’m glad that I did and I’m glad that I’m not there anymore the traditional path of Tantra absolutely love it’s more just the dynamic between That Grew disciple it’s a little bit condescending and manipulative in some in some cases not in every case but for some people but the but the traditional teachings of Tantra are are so Adept and so powerful and so beautiful know anybody who wants to study that it’s you know it’s really very very deep but the whole path of life that is always the whole psychology it’s an entire path of Awakening from it from the way that you eat to the way that you think to you know something from what you do at the start of the day to the end of the day and then of course from the way we make love it’s everything is included so it’s you know it’s very powerful to live your life that way what would you say are some of the obviously I just I feel like the more I study at the less I can Define it the best I can explain it and it itches it gets even more elusive it’s so vast and so I’m curious if what some of the maybe just bullet points of what you feel like you were really blessed to have been able to experience it in and that one-on-one grew disciple training that people who are on a weekend retreat or certificate you know whatever the Neo Tantra packages to to get you out of your you no work week and normal mindset and into a a deep training what would you say are some of the things that that you know we will be missing out on not having the experience you had that are some of the positive things and then I’m sure we’ll figure out some of the negative ones too well I guess there’s a couple ways that I can answer that you know some of the some of the really positive aspects is you know to understand yourself as something much broader and bigger than the limited ideas that we have of who we think we are and to begin to actually have practices and tools and ideologies to begin to see do yourself in a much broader context and so when I when I can see myself as as Shiva as you know primordial Consciousness inkarnate I begin to experience the world differently right I begin to live into the world with less fear with less fear of death with less concerned about the minutiae and assertive come into the world with them from a more expanded stay and so that that’s something really valuable because you know we all can get caught up and in the end the little things right in the little things that that pisses off or noises and you know like that go ahead yeah that was just a green definitely I think a lot of people are bypassing maybe now in the in the so-called I don’t really know Nick neotantra is is kind of just as nebulous but it seems I guess one of the critiques that I would have and I I feel like India came to me I didn’t go to India at Lake came to me through Priestess initiatrix has waves of them coming in and really synchronistic ways and that doesn’t mean I don’t have a want to make a pilgrimage absolutely but I feel like what like the way I would like to Define Tantra for the mod for the modern era is it is a practice of goddess worship and if that’s missing then maybe it’s a dangerous path of Tantra that somehow forgot to put the Davey Sedona in the mix and I’m wondering if if you feel like that sort of the spiritual bypass of just the mechanical sexual breathing and you know the real practical impact are the practices that enhance your sex and love life and connection that’s all great but do you feel like you were able to kind of get more of a deeper connection to the cosmology in the mythology and took formulated to more clear question do you think people are missing out on that aspect a lot and and are you able to kind of translate and deliver some of that since you have had that sauce after deeper immersion training well that’s a great question and here’s what I think I think you are people missing out you know I don’t think that everybody is cut out for that depth of teaching I don’t think that those teachings are necessarily meant for everybody that there is something about Tantra that they caught the Open Secret where you know it’s open anybody can come and read the stuff but unless you unless you’ve got the eyes to see and ears to hear and really get it it’s might not be meant for you and not everybody’s interested in that depth of thought or that depth of Mantra and you know yantra studies and you’re all the Deep Sanskrit terminology like not everybody wants. So are they missing out well you know it’s something ignorance is bliss and so that’s okay for them is the world of Neo Tantra missing something sometimes sometimes in some cases it is and then definitely I aim to be that bridge and I also think that it’s for whom and when like if there’s if there’s a person who ready and interested in needs that teaching those teachings then I’m all too happy to deliver that and when a person isn’t able to receive that it’s sort of like how can I get around the fancy terminology to sort of present this in a way that they can really receive it and I think that that’s something that that the the classical Tantra did support me and a lot is is is broadening my perspective and then now what using my own tools to deliver that to any audience without it being too weird or fluffy or foreign practice of beholding whether it’s your consort or your wife for your ass you know your spouse of your concert or Temple dancer whatever the configuration is that that sort of quintessential divining of the Beloved as the god or the goddess or a combination thereof do you have you found a way to kind of translate horor deliver that experience without breaking people’s religious dogmas to giving him too much of a right turn you know when they’re not ready I just say one quick thing is that speaking to a client just yesterday who was wanting to introduce his very very religious Christian girlfriend into the path of Tantra and I got really excited because I think this is perfect because she’s already concerned about living in sin and so this would be a way for her to reconcile that part of her that says hey it’s okay that we’re having sex even though we’re not married and you know just because we can call in a greater power a higher power and just translate it so that it works for her so I think I think that if somebody is very closed off and in their in their on their religious path are not going to be able to receive any of it but I do think that there is a place for it in numerous spiritual just traditions because of the fact that when you really dig deep the sex aspect in Tantra is given great regard because of the spiritual element right it’s not just like we’re not all hedonist trying to find cool new ways to get off it’s it’s it’s all about creating deeper and deeper and higher and higher state of the union with the Divine so for some I think that I’ve actually been thinking about that a lot because I’ve been called to do the same thing and it in in a variety of different formats to try to upgrade the spiritual Technologies as it’s so interesting I guess what’s happening with with porn and with really thin BDSM and Fifty Shades of Grey there’s this massive explosion of I would call maybe sexual freedom I don’t I don’t like I wouldn’t call it Liberation cuz that has a deeper kind of station for me but there’s a new level of Freedom that I feel is to be perilous without wisdom tradition guidance and that’s why Tantra is got a lot of catching up to do to the to those other even if you look on Google Trends and you see the search frequency of Tantra versus the other I’ll be I’ll be honest and respectful and say that can be just as much as a form of those are sexual art forms and you know the pouring is a sexual art form genre but definitely as the the shackles of really repressive monotheistic I don’t you know all the religions that are repressing sexuality Resort of being bucked off by this mess massive high-speed internet delivery system and so there’s like a need for these churchgoers who are scrambling in the face of these menaces to their you know they’re there their ways really it’s going to take the work of what you’re doing and other people who are able to kind of say okay well now that the cat is out of the bag how are we going to maybe translate the Kundalini has the Holy Ghost you know and if they don’t want to hear about the serpent you know maybe they’ll they’ll be that the Holy Ghost can work for him do you have you any of that time Bridge Crossing sort of cultural healing stuff in my private work so right I haven’t I haven’t made it a point to preach about it in a larger way I know that Sean Roop has actually taught in churches which I think is fantastic I have made less the point of it all though it would be it would be fun but in my in my private work when people come to see me I definitely I asked about their their religious spiritual background so that I’m prepared and and how it went to deliver what I want to say and yeah I love I love what you just added there about the the Kundalini being the Holy Spirit and it is yeah that’s a lot of potential to too kind of transcend the old language around the Stephen Odell paradigm yes so do you want to talk maybe some more about you or I had a I had a curiosity definitely about you know we could probably go do a series of podcast about this very deep esoteric material and in the mystical and mythological aspects really I’m at like someone just recently said yet is witchcraft a that that kind of you know does it for me to to approach it with that level of you no respect and reverence and you know what is that mean if we think of it that way obviously that would scare off some of the Christian so it wouldn’t be conducive to help in that discourse but so yeah I was going to say I’m curious how the power broker is in The Gatekeepers of the mass media but say the Playboy Enterprise did they give you space to explore that more esoteric esoteric elements or do they ask you to reel it in and you know I’m curious if they have any yeah well concerns or I can remember the day going to their Studios in Hollywood and asking about that very thing you know how to do you want me to go pretty clear that this was meant to be for the larger masses that this wasn’t meant to be a teaching on the esoteric aspects of Tantra so and one of my superpowers I think is to be able to convert myself not convert myself but you know just sort of be able to be adaptable and and and speak to my audience and meet them where they’re at so I did keep it a little bit later I kept it still connecting at the Heart level and very much connecting you know sexually essentially but with presents and and and deep connection that we kept it there we did not go into the deeper stuff even though if you look at what I’m doing in the filming’s I am creating a Puja experience and so they don’t know they don’t know that they’re there there’s roots of that in an early Tantra and and and how that all came to be but they don’t need to know that they’re having a good time and then the Aryans the nuts and that’s what was important at that time that’s wonderful yeah I feel like that’s that is the the the sign of a of a master if you can really deliver the experience without having to convert anyone or push their boundaries too far and they just you know can be Believers in this in the spiritual technology Without Really any rhetoric or any you know any of the more controversial controversial apologies work you know so we really don’t know all that background if you really sit with another person in this way you feel different you feel a connection and and that opens up new avenues of emotion in Awakening in your body that weren’t there before you know when you when it was just sort of like here let me just broke you in the dark instead let’s turn the lights on and I should be with one another you can’t deny what happens there as long as your present right it is yet very if it for the for the Skeptics and the atheist and all that it’s just electrical engineering and even the symbols are very there schematics in a lot of the configurations the yogic scriptures and it was stration sits you know something that reads like stereo instructions sometimes you know yeah so actually something you mentioned there it makes me wonder I feel like a good way to tell always introduce the chakra system to people who are maybe never heard of it or only if seen you know hippies with banners hanging out of their tents or whatever but at the everybody has an experience of their heart chakra so do you kind of start there if you if you when you initiate people into Brett breathing into or doing the bija mantras or kind of chakra introductory orientation work do you kind of start there and yeah well can you talk about that yet how do you how do you teach the chakras if you don’t mind I mean whatever extent you you would you care to share it’s always fun one of the fun of the heart it’s it’s always where I began I view the heart in the heart chakra as an alchemical chalice where all transformation can take place so when we begin there any relationship that we have to our sexuality to our power to our survival to our intuition to my voice in the world all of it gets gets transformed when we bring it through the heart and then you can just look to see how anything that you’re grappling with in life just bring it into your heart for a moment I just sit with it there and then just see what happens but that’s always where I begin and as far as I got an education on on chakras again you know I’m I’m working with a lot of different types of people and sometimes I have people that literally want to understand contract from A to Z and and sometimes I have a people that are really just trying to grow and heal and don’t don’t care so much for the deeper philosophy but know that there’s something in this for them so again for whom and when and when there is a person who who needs touch needs healing who needs to be seen in this light we work with the specific chakras that he or she needs to work on right so often times that if the Power Center The Heart the sex Center in over some people obviously that first chakra and as needed I’ll go at go through and explain it but more important than me explaining it is them feeling an activation of it Brian said I could happen with just like he words coming in at Key moments when they’re open when the portal is open and you know I come in with keywords that pertain to that cha Crush they don’t need to know that the color orange or yellow or that it’s this particular geometrical shape they need to know that right now their power is being activated and and we are calling that in there in a very potent way in other cases I find the chakras fascinating I love talking about that little ins and outs and specific mysteries of all the chakras it’s fascinating to me it’s total like braingasm material yeah yeah so in the right setting and that’s what I’ll do cool yeah I kind of feel like when I have to explain it to people who maybe you’re just skeptical in general or like yeah whatever we will be able to stay well imagine that your you know your physical body has a series of ink cartridges that print you out and they can malfunction and stopped working and then they can distort your sort of damage that you gave yourself the physical print out and so you want to optimize that and that seems to work as it’s kind of in a broader way that these seven centers where energy concentrates you can even see it as where you’re like nervous system will come together and concentrate it is the all the way that we receive and perceive the world so both how we receive you know these different functions and also you know how how we perceive that being acting out in the world and in that you know we are either perceiving the world for through these different modes you know in a very a contracted way and sometimes we’re much more open-minded about it or open-hearted you know it just kind of you know giving giving birth examples that people can relate to I think is is probably the most valuable so if you don’t mind I’d like to talk a bit about your perspectives and experiences with what is kind of sort of it’s a term now it’s like a modern term Sexual Healing like you could say a sexual healing it’s actually a veritable almost Medical Practice in with the Certified Six electrical bodyworkers training it’s I think that’s probably the most sort of codified that that a Hands-On sacred spot massage Ewing is is sort of been in in modern I guess medical legalized if you will but I’m really curious I’ve had this question in the in the back of my mind for a while where is the I’m not I’m not What’s the Word a fundamentalist when it comes to the scriptures there’s some really weird stuff and some of the scriptures so I definitely don’t want to have to sort of validate most of it was most of it has been traditionally village-based verbal pre-vedic pre civilized indigenous Shamanism of I would call bastardized patriarchal you know elitist extraction and then you have codification and in the in the scriptures so it’s it’s gets murky to say what it what is or isn’t authentic or or can be traced back to some cite citation in a document but I’m curious if in your training you’re probably one of the most qualified to answer this question is where does the sacred spot massage training or certain the discovery of that is there is there some natural history of that in the Indian traditions of Tantra that you’re aware of or is it you know I’m so curious to know what you want cuz I think we just kind of adapted we adapted and then we just sort of maybe don’t understand the the deeper origins or or just sort of get some what’s the word I guess it’s too taken for granted in modern Neo Tantra that this is part of Tantra but I’m super curious if you would know where you would go to actually study at traditionally or if there’s scriptures about it you know any of the Davey kind of hymns and stuff so you could go on and on about the Oni and all I mean exhausted leave it like it’s a beautiful discourse on the only and all of its magic and all this mystery so I’m sure there’s some references there but anyway scripture speaking I have yet to come across something specific about the secret spot from a traditional standpoint it’s it’s if it’s written it’s written in a serving in a mysterious way and what I know is that the term sacred spot it was coined by Charles Muir om some 3540 years ago it was taught to him that the practice without it being called secrets about the practice itself with was taught to him by a bee and a tantric practitioner and I’m saying this was like 30 maybe 45 years ago now at the stage for him so so where it that particular practice originated from I can’t tell you exactly but what I can tell you is that when you really look at it and you look at what’s happening in the body and where where were actually referring to it’s not just the G-Spot it’s not just that one little spot on the body it’s more of a secret area and it went to when you touch into that area in a man or a woman inside the body it gives you access I could deny it gives you access to the energy of all of the chakras and all of the cellular memory and the emotional content in that space and if you look at how the channels of eat. And peeing alot and so shall not that the three Central Channel’s come together and they sort of intersect at each of the chakras their their last point where they intersect is there or down there close to the base of the spine and so we’re kind of moving energy and connecting and playing in that area where all of the channels merge and we’re basically all of the chakras merge because each of the chakras are touched by these channels I hope that didn’t sound too totally far-out there in all this I mean I’m absent totally seeing all this like as if you were you’ve got you know a video projector up in this is a you know UPS exactly what I’m PowerPoint hear a lot of modalities that are popular today you know somewhere along the way someone figured this out and it got invented I don’t think that that that it’s any less powerful whether or not it came from the scriptures I really haven’t seen it but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some type of mention of it of course it wouldn’t have been called The Sacred spot it probably was referring more to Yoni Puja and and some other type of internal practice now when I when I worked with my Google make my spiritual teacher and I bet that there are a lot like in Chinese medicine solutely marma points along the outside and the inside of the body and so somewhere in all of this tradition it was figured out that when you go in and start activating these points or even on the body right that that you can you can access a lot of different types of energy in the body so so if I can sort of yeah process that a bit it it sounds like if there was ever a president within classical Tantra to do the Yoni Puja as a devotional ritual of oil massage of some kind whatever was available maybe sesame oil or I’m not sure if you would know that I would say but I don’t see if we wanted to do like a historical reenactment of the birth of you know this tradition of veneration of the genitals as the one of light in the gates to heaven I mean the really show people National Geographic or something maybe it’s another another you no experience of media like a National Geographic kind of experience where this is the real deep heart stuff but I guess my question is so you would if it during a Yoni Puja you would obviously be accessing the so-called Grafenberg Spot or whatever you know the goddess spot is a better way to put it but it wasn’t the sort of Silver Bullet kind of medical prescribe saying like oh you need to go get this G-spot release massage experience have been gone like you go to the temple and you know be a part of some ritual that would be open to initiate soar through some process you would gain access or your your lover would be trained I mean can you could you is it possible to walk through what it would be Circa you know 1000cc going into a tantric Temple and being like hey I heard about this food to thing like where the level of devotion so the the devotional aspic going back to what you started with earlier about you know Debbie worship goddess worship that the at the Yoni and lingam are both this is the consecrating force of the universe right this is where we come together in our too masculine feminine polarities and unite and this creates life and that the entire universe is like a gigantic erotic active love hence we are created this is whole universe so I think that’s where it started begins as is with a larger understanding of of the Oni and the lingam as creators of life and and so maybe a little bit further apart from the individuals Yoni but more so from this or the cosmic sense I think that as as you go in to to worship and individual Yoni the inside of the woman’s body generally in the tradition from the from all of everything that I’ve read everything that I’ve learned and understood and and things that have been performed on me that it was not actually accessed on the inside that’s the mystery right that’s the Beautiful Mystery of the universe that’s the mystery of like what a woman’s body does so as far as I know it and I’m just being really really honest here what I’ve read in the things that I experience at that traditional level we’re less about going on the inside and more about the honoring and devotional aspect on the outside and that’s why I think that somewhere along the way probably probably pass the time of whatever was written about was where the inside of the body started to get incorporated as a means for for healing but here’s the same the lingam Yoni connected was on the inside so so you know what I mean you know what I mean so it’s like in a way your were accessing the mystery mine that yeah they actually did it just hit me so crystal clear right now we are so wounded and detached and not that every active sexual love has to involve and inserted object that’s a human lingam or just the idea that you can’t have sex with your doctor even if the doctor is trying to heal sexually or something that’s the reason I had to be really divorced from that Union is that we live in the modern world that’s hyper regulated so now it’s sort of it sort of like that maybe had to evolve into this clinical finger based process but then there’s there’s benefits from that it’s not like it’s the first time obviously have the entire world history of lesbian sex and all of the foreplay and like the Chinese were very advanced in their deer pillow books you know that it’s wasn’t like it was a history of reaching in there for various desired effects but have that makes a lot of sense that you wouldn’t you wouldn’t have to it wouldn’t be necessary nice way to practice back then it would just be okay partner up and do what you know how to do instinctually in when you going to stop on the wheel now you’re in front of this person and you need to get beyond all of your preconceptions about attraction or who you think you should be with or want to be with and it just has to go because this person is divine in front of you and and and now this is the practice you know you’re going to unite and you know what lesbianism gay people is it was like there was all kinds of sex even then it’s not like everybody was heterosexual and not and not everybody who went to sit with the guru is heterosexual but we understand and Tantra that there is a lock-in key effect that happens when you bring together the lingam in the Yoni so it doesn’t matter your orientation but for that specific practice in that Tradition at that time right now and that time it mattered that there was the lingam and the Oni connecting and that that was that sort of lock and key effect that unlocked the mysteries of the universe and your potential as a Divine being actually something you brought up in that in that bit there I think there is a lot of confusion around how the if I’m not you might be better be probably better pronouncing it then I have I don’t know if I’ve heard it actually spoken but the word my tuna or my through I don’t know if it’s a good position to kind of clarify and you just let me know you go to a Puja and it’s a cross between the preschool patty cake and whatever people were doing back when they were doing the five M’s and transgressive practices and passing around cups of wine so I just actually read in a book recently that the tantric way I believe it’s called is the country way I would like the most descriptive no-nonsense if you know it would take an issue it’s about a year of screening and then the ritual go on for about an hour and a half and they had this many cups of wine that were passed around in a circle and it was like all of the mechanics that I’ve never heard in one place at one time or read about what that ritual actually entailed and they even had sort of like I like a coat of arm or emblem kind of thing with little icons of the five transgressive gems and other stuff so you talked about just now you mentioned just briefly that that hooja of that ritual you would be you would be rotating like clockwork between potential strangers if they’re not they weren’t all strangers and it was to achieve some sort of mystical effective like you’re saying unlocking the universe and having you know he said he’s effects happen so do you want to give you her sort of a bit of share your understanding of what that would it look like it’s just as if you were you were giving it to a production crew so that they could reenact okay production crew I want to see what this look like I really you know but you know it’s interesting because I got it the first place that I go is more at that deeper level of what was the point of this and had a very deep level the point was non-duality was it was to understand that you know nothing was inherently bad that nothing is inherently good here we are using the five items that are completely forbidden to show that hey we can do this inside this ritual and and nobody’s going to burn in hell for doing it and nobody’s going to get brownie points to go to heaven either it’s it’s it’s it’s a non dual experience it’s a Continuum of the hole and so when I guess you know going back to the production level or there have to be some teaching on that and and you know I visualize and an inner circle and Outer Circle and a rotation of those Circle so that you are doing a sort of a mini poodle mini ceremony with each person that you’re with and each one has a meaning and has a connection to a to a different aspect of the ritual until you get to the point where you are now going to go into sexual Union and okay could I still be able to 2nd generation Fusion experience that I’ve had him on as a guest and he is a great perspective by calling the Karate Kid of Tasha in that experience a sequence of offerings and on rings and sort of time gestures that were so that you would go through a rotation numerous times and you would encounter the same person numerous times and it was sort of an Excel around o of of purpose and meaning and emotional depth so is that just to kind of put us in that in the frame a little bit you’re saying you wouldn’t just be like okay everybody strip down and person a on Inner Circle connect with person be on Outer Circle and sexually and then move on to the next would actually be like a sort of spiraling Cujo kind of practice wear multiple different interactions would happen if the oven on sexual nature that would lead up to okay now we’re getting to the end of the the union party absolutely because not all aspects of the ritual were sexual and you look at the the different aspects from what we know there’s you know there’s I’m ingesting a food or of a substance involved there is there there’s various aspects and then of course there’s there’s the devotional pieces and there’s Mantra and there’s meditation Mayo there’s a lot of auspices so here’s the thing is it and I love your question because you know the David Gordon white rights and I think it’s called the kiss of the Oconee that the difference between Neo Tantra and classical Tantra is that Neo Tantra is ritualized sex where classical Tantra is sexualized ritual well that is a big stinky yeah yeah need to be all aspects of it had some sexual component it means that we are doing ritual and inside that ritual to increase the potency or to unite more deeply or more parsley we’re going to add a desexualized aspect all right wow that’s so amazing I really like that yeah that that kind of sums it up a lot of the women I talk to who are country codes or are saying to me been if you have the opportunity to initiate a woman in the time sure you should you should refer her into a coven of tantric sisterhood’s where she can actually get purified of all of the douchebags she’s been fucking in her that you know Daddy Issues on stuff and then if she’s interested after that if she hasn’t totally changed her life path and she still is he not attracted to you then will you know arrange something for the both of you chaperoned you know what I mean that would be the the highest standard of Ethics that I could hold myself to with that you know the spirit of that idea of just like don’t just be harvesting souls and have a real sloppy scummy kind of you know where is a male practitioner or unit initiate women do if they come to it because they want better sex or they have their there they have whatever issues you know what do you think about those problems in general can opens up set up Pandora’s Box really big topic we can go to a lot of directions with it but here’s what I’ll say absolutely when there is a teacher-student relationship there’s always a the power Dynamic and so it’s important for all parties to be aware of that and naturally a student and aspirin would want to experience what a master is really like you know in in the sexual department so when that it would that opportunity is given to them they are probably going to grab at it and say yes I want to go for it how they feel later on is going to be a whole different story and that’s going to potentially either get the teacher and a lot of deep trouble or or make them all better of a teacher you know and end so there’s a lot of different scenarios and a lot to be said about that and I’ve dealt with it in in my circles many many times and you know obviously consent and various other preparations for something like that are important but here’s what I’ll say is that I would not be the woman that I am today and I would not be the t-shirt that I am today if I had not had sexual experiences with my teachers so I am deeply grateful and appreciative of those experiences because they taught me and gave me a reference point for what energy feels like in my body for how to awaken centers in my brain through my orgasm I wouldn’t have had those I would have no idea what that’s like if I hadn’t had those experiences and so I’m very grateful to them do you ever get that fair enough I kind of feel the same way I mean that’s kind of back-and-forth and it’s because you don’t like I’ve been trying to be the the purified feminist sort of shock to Tantra representative with on a tight leash you know at end as I pursue this cuz I’ve seen the people go through you decades if those pitfalls and I’d certainly you know standing on the backs of giants myself and using opportunities like this intelligently to get the best best practices from people further down the path I am so it was someone who said to me yeah you do women need to initiate Each Other Well what if what if they don’t want to but if they don’t want that. I mean so like what do I do so with that sort of comedy and see at Regal piece set up I’m I’m curious would you let say to you were in a situation where you have like you were Rolodex of masterful tantric men who you have either engaged with yourself or who have good reviews or whatever within your circle they’re sort of trust Trustees of the technology and you were to be a say oh my God I’m starting to sound like a a romance novel hear something but you actually are the Priestess who you know the the the new generation of initiates godino looks up to you to be able to have access but two of basically avoid all these pitfalls and so here’s the Practical question should there be a referee or an observer or somebody keeping things accountable to some level of of like Priestess class ethics and oversight for so that women don’t get mine fucked in like 10 really like spiritually raped by people who have more sort of of a black magic agenda whether they know it or not whether they’re true Sorcerers or they’re just unconscious sorceress Jose I know you’re not exactly a night and I actually love the way you frame to a referee and yes my answer is yes I believe that there should be a I think that that’s an important piece to when when engaging with students to have a another person and that that that the person in power can turn to and say hey I’m looking at connecting with this woman or this man you know nnn what do you think are they stable do you think it would be wise you know I didn’t really get a second opinion and have somebody who who has an unbiased opinion and in fact in an insta and International School Temple Arts you know in our training program at a certain point further down in the training you know that week-long training we open the field and we say what you know everybody can now engage in whatever way that they choose you know you hate your power to say no you’re empowered to call in your boundaries and that includes the facilitators however we won’t make invitation that’s that’s alright that’s our main pieces we will not make the invitation so somebody comes to us with an invitation who wants to connect before we can say yes then we need to go and speak to the other facilitators and that’s how we manage this power Dynamic that otherwise gets trampled on because you know a person and Powers as well you know this cute young hot thing wants to be with the teacher and yeah so we managed it. That’s so fascinating that’s beautiful and I’m so glad to hear that cuz I feel like coming full circle as we’re kind of wrapping up here on time it’s the essence of this whole conversation was where is the fucking Guru who knows how to fucking deal with this shit because this is serious shit you know and that that would be there maybe needs to be a security deposit or sort of like a you know I kept thinking I’d like an AA sponsor or something somebody who’s further down the path who’s trusted to make wiser decisions than you if you’re just starting at the bat and there doesn’t seem to be for a variety of reasons you know I just hear nothing but horror stories from young women who go to a meet up and just get I fucked by some Demon you know is whether it’s the teacher or just some sketchy dude off the street who could afford you know this relatively affordable way to buy something that was never to be sold really in that way many of us have been walking this path for a long time we’ve seen a lot of things just like what you’re explaining and we’re figuring ways out to get around that because we will not stop connecting when people want to connect with teacher we don’t believe that it’s a wrong path we just need to know how to do it the right way and there are those of us who are carving a path for that will thank you so much I can’t tell you what time we this is you know well I really feel the spirit just really beautiful Vibes with reconciling that cuz it can tear you apart I mean I’ve been nice I’d say I’ve been celibate most of my adult life just out of fear of being that guy you know and being that guy with Tantra is like being that guy on steroids if you know if you’re if you’re doing it wrong you know so well do you want to talk about your offerings now you know where people can find you and certainly how to connect and all that good stuff website is ecstatic awareness.com ecstatic awareness.com but that’s going to change in a few weeks I’m rebranding everything it’s going to move to my name Tree on become Aviv, I’m really excited about that I’m writing a book it’s going to be a foreman for soulful men sexuality for the Soulful man to reach out to me just go to my way my two websites for spitting on when you hear this and and reach out to me and we’ll just jump on the phone together and and see what you’re looking for what you need I’m happy to spend some time with you and and see how I can serve you and support you awesome thanks so much so and do you have any other final words or advice you like to share final words come talk to me if you’re curious about what I’ve said here you know reach out to me through my website find me on Facebook and and let’s have a conversation because if you’re curious about this path I’m happy and Overjoyed to be able to share awesome well thank you again so much I really appreciate it and all the work and play and effort you put into establishing yourself in this world and being a strong empowered voice and I really can’t thank you enough so yeah I have a great night and he’s got a www.hunterfan.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help us out a permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Kali’s Love Deflowers the Desolate Male Ego with Ryan TPP59

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Kali in Union with Shiva In this episode I have the deep and profound honor of sharing one of what I hope will be many “Kali Monologues” from those who have experienced revelation and salvation with Goddess Kali. This first guest narrative by my new dear friend Ryan provides heart wrenching and warming insight into the process of self-initiation through psychedelic goddess worship. I was brought to tears as I read his first email to me, I asked if he’d be willing to record his story so I could share it on the show. Please enjoy and allow these words of liberation and redemption to motivate you to transcend your ego and all negative influences internal and external that intend to bring you down. Never forget the eternal divine feminine love ever awaiting your courage to seek her dancing embrace.

I also answer a listener  question about the interplay of drugs and spirituality. I offer my guidance for best practices, and it couldn’t be better timing that the question came in and is the prelude to Ryan’s story of psychedelic goddess worship.

Please help support the show by making a one-time or recurring donation. In addition to helping sustain and improve the show, you’ll be helping to establish permaculture goddess temples that provide ecological employment for single mothers.

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Cultural Healing with Sobey Wing TPP38

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Sobey Wing picIn this episode I’m joined by Sobey Wing, one of my personal heroes in the global transformational community. He shares his personal journey of initiation and interest in cultural healing with an accent on sexuality and relationships. We then discuss the practical application of approaching this.

Please engage with Sobey and explore the additional resources linked below:

Sobey’s services/Astrology/Ancestral Revitalization/Rites of Passage Design & Consultation
https://www.facebook.com/groups/RoPwithSobey/

Dj Services
https://www.facebook.com/DjSobeyOne/
A lover of music who enjoys crafting the perfect set for each occasion favoring events with conscious intention. A traveller of genres. Come join the ride!

Love Sex Intelligence
http://www.lovesexintelligence.org
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FB page: https://www.facebook.com/lovesexintelligencecommunity/

Rites of Passage Ceremonies with Sobey
http://www.sobeyone.tumblr.com
My goal is to support the renewal of rites of passage in places it is lacking

Youth Passageways
http://www.youthpassageways.org

Rain Crowe Teachings
http://callingourselveshome.weebly.com/

Center for Babaylan Studies/Babaylan Conference September 2016
http://www.babaylan.net 

Full Moon Medicine in Unceded Coast Salish Territories
https://www.facebook.com/groups/159406684415673/?fref=ts

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township hunt podcast episode number 38 I am joined by SOB Wing here today and we’re going to go on an exploration of his personal journey of Discovery into I would say the sexual shamanic arts and and give us some tips and some insights into the work that he does around initiation so please so if you will give us a bit of your your background narrative and then we’ll get into some of the stuff you’re doing today thank you yeah it’s pleasure to dive into a spot space and discuss some interesting areas hopefully for people listening I’ll give her by way of introduction where I am located on this Earth at this moment I am in the unseeded Coast Salish territories otherwise known as Vancouver BC and my ancestry comes from the pieces of the Philippines as it is known and also from China from what is known as France today as well as Spain I want to start off and just kind of contextualize in a way that feels congruent with my current understanding which Sean is very graduating you know there’s a graduated look at understanding things especially around something that’s close to my my thoughts all the time is around art or Colonial context so when I was naming the location where I am you know I was I was giving a reference to the Colonial context and similarly when we’re using words like Shamanism there is there something to look at there that I I think is important to not you know this anthropological referencing of a other terminology for what is known in different parts of the world by various while so many different names this is something that is is problematic in the sense that it kind of blankets a term for for something that has many different distinctions in the different cultures and when we’re looking at subjects like sexual initiation or initiation in general something that I focused a lot on which we can talk about in this conversation is you know why did we lose initiation rites and Rites of Passage and why is it that we’re not initiated into things like sexuality and adulthood in general in a way that’s is the way that our ancestors did and Soda Springs in that whole thing around colonisation in the fact that in order for society to be set up the way it is today it had to go through the established conditions and set up of societies kinship groups that were structured in and indigenous cultures around the world including European through disrupting and displacing and killing largely women who helped these roles knowledge and initiation and you know that trauma is buried within all of us you know if we want to look at the continuing wave at this wounding continues in our in our world today with all of the disharmony between between people whether you look at it on the gender binary or with you just look at it on the term of terms of disrupted or ended relationships or or or marriages and the way that emotional trauma surfaces in addiction all of those things getting at the root of it is you know to me about is the spiritual healing that is required and if we if we can get into that today that would be really I think an important contribution to this whole world of sexual healing and initiation definitely definitely so it was you want to talk about so do you like history and what got you thinking about all this stuff and breaking out of her free from these Colonial not sure instructions as a person of color you know growing up in a multicultural as it’s called kind of society a group in Toronto which is that in in in what we call Canada and so I I guess in a part of my my experience of being in that in that kind of culture we’re on some level you know our diversity of cultures is embraced but at the same time or two play embedded in and still are you no white supremacist centered culture you know where the the values and the economics and and just the socio-economics favor you know why culture and not in in the way of saying you know European descent based culture and so you know I didn’t have all the understandings of this but what I experienced was just that you know I didn’t really feel like I I I fit in unless I can forms to certain standards and also I grew up in a Roman Catholic Family and for awhile School and so the hetero Norms around sexuality were pretty pronounced and you know at the same time very blank in terms of like what what is therefore I’m having an awareness around sexuality and I’ll bring in this this posturing in the astrological contacts cuz that’s also something that I’m I steep myself in as an astrologer is she not being a Scorpio Sun sexuality in a big part of my identity and understanding of myself is 3. And so without any of that I had to seek other sources of understanding and so quickly you know this is all free internet you know my my searching for self-knowledge definitely included a lot of like you know going through libraries going through bookstores whenever or something on my radar picked up you know around around you know something around sexuality and spirituality I know I just I had that sense that there was a connection there and and so that’s that’s part of it I guess yeah and that would include me of the occult and I will conclude what was you know Neo Shamanism or Neo Tantra all of those things on talk quickly into my my site and this is for lack of having Elders having teachers that are connected to a lineage that I’m connected to so I’ve had to sort of do the circular route of you know Finding what’s out there and I think that’s probably common to so many people and I’m also of the the generation of the Pluto and Libra generation so you know I feel like that’s kind of part of our generational work is also know a lot of us in this generation have not had the strongest success in in Partnership there’s a lot of divorce rates in and just you know not having easy harmonization and this is you know where I think part of that has the word where we’re generation that maybe has to heal some of those those ones that I’ve been talking about and also seek out new ways to approach so this is all so I think how I perhaps started discovering the alternative routes to relationship and which is an ongoing process but I discovered there’s more to life than the monogamous lens and is even more ways to approach monogamy then there is just on a standard you know christian-based kind of understanding would it be right to say that you’ve been involved in search of activism or Community work being a in-service and and taking your own personal study and applying it into the context of organizations or campaigns and and whatnot were you would get to apply this stuff beyond your personal practice and personal relationships and if so what some of the the highlights of that Journey my first my first step into activism that I recall was in Toronto with a group this is again before the internet so you know connecting people was a way of connecting myself to other people so I got involved with a group called hands which is helping after this network during strife and that gave me a Insider look cuz I was delivering these calendars weekly to to the to all the activist that were connected to that Network in Toronto so gave me a window into what was going on on multiple levels of activism at the same time I was I had dropped out of regular high school and entered into an alternative school called some seed alternative which was sort of the flagship has been the flagship of alternative schools in Toronto and not really influence my philosophy of of learning to the stay a credit thought that experience where we looked at education as a school Without Walls you know that learning occurs where it went where it happens even if you’re learning while you’re sleeping in a dream for instance that counts as knowledge that we can and not that really inspired me to bring that framework I’m into alternative settings and that could include for sure Rave culture which is now become Festival culture and I I think also that I love dancing and I saw that there was you know some form of community that could shape itself there when I when I began it it was really kind of a fledgling kind of sense of community around dance culture but I was exposed to an event where ritual and and dancing was brought together and Equinox and it was led by a I wish you had a curandera family lineage so she was confusing all of these elements and it just took it took God took my psyche by I am you know what really got me really inspired and I look at you know how I gone from there and I you know I helped certified bring this this connection between learning and and dance culture together I’m in a way which seems very normalize now but at the time you know I don’t I don’t think there was any of that happening and it’s it’s something where we don’t have to conform to as many rules you know when it comes to doing what we want to do that you would see in the institutions so I see it as a working within the margins workshops and you do teachings in and trainings in presentations throughout the world do you want to talk a bit about what you since you were kind of initiated in that way to Sacred dance music and intentional Sacred Space design and ceremony ritual design in your own expressions yeah you know I think again with my my kind of rearing and alternative education through your seed I really got the gist of how you know if you want to learn something a great way to do it is to group together other people who are interested in learning the same thing and so you know even right now I owe I don’t claim myself to be any kind of expert but I am adapt and Creative Learning environments and learning Ben Cardin part of learning networks has become sort of my staple so as my I remember one of my first workshops that I led was with a graduating body of friends from seed who went on a our own self created right of passage on to the east coast and and habitat Schoolhouse a historic Schoolhouse that had been the domain of various artists and writers in the posturing 70s that was already kind of reverberating with the creative Energies and I was inspired to do a workshop on creating ritual and so that was my very first workshop and then you know I was really inspired by the work of Antero Alli who wrote Angel Tech of modern shamans God’s reality selection you know and if so that was you know kind of a something that I felt could be really conducive to the Rave culture you know that I think we were really not able to access that kind of language and also the 8th circuit model of intelligence know to fuel Erie and so that was something that we incorporated into our dance Community early on with something called Sunday school which result that you know kind of like a a play on the religious use of that term and kind of over over covering that with you know our own version of like reclaiming our own identities spiritually and you know with our own knowledge that we want to bring in and a lot of things kind of seem to emerge out of that I like a lot of people have participated in that began to take on their own path as teachers whether it be sacred dance or harm reduction things like that and and harm reduction speaking of that it’s something that also kind of pertains to this discussion because in our dad’s, Community which was you know suffering under the weight of a lot of addiction and time and people that were you know masking trauma with with drug use in the Rave culture it was a I think a important response that was made to identify that having tools with how to provide education and awareness around safer use of the substances from harm reduction philosophy which goes along with you no safer sex practices that are on now part of that. Kind of culture also kind of lets you more openings for people to talk openly about their relationships and sexuality and so that was kind of the the birthplace for what we now are doing in our local community called love sex intelligence was the sun groupings of friends in our houses and just creating these discussion circles where we could openly share some of our upper process around navigating relationship and non-traditional ways and that’s when we started also bringing other people who might you know share some modalities used to help us improve our communication or learn something more about working with sexuality and that started to spread into Gatherings until Retreats into and into festivals and that’s all as he say it has some has traveled to other other parts of the world it’s not not the only thing I’ve had focused on so some of my quibble travels have focused on other areas but but I have done a love sex intelligence Workshop in Australia for instance it’s just amazing to to see how what empowers us here has you know impaired people there as well assume so that do you feel pretty well cut up to the present moment as far as the the life history and background and then if so we can go into some of the tips and practical how to do stuff sure you’ve sure okay cool will get a thank you again that that was beautiful Journey that I got to to go on with you there and it’s a I have similar you know to put in a couple of bits in my own background I I I spent most of my you know coming-of-age years and you know from I guess about 12 to 33 the house about 20 years FM seeking being a Seeker but experiencing initiations through the DIY punk rock and Uncle punk in metal grindcore World which has disliked deep tension of striving towards holism and healing and empowerment yet having very very unexamined Shadow especially through just extreme mostly alcoholism and in an access and and then just look at my personal Evolution from going from the mosh pit to the psytrance dance for experience and looking at the deformed geometry of people who are wasted and unconscious and just smashing into each other to to the shark the stark contrast the people who are not everybody and of course it has its shadow to but from you is night and day to go into the psytrance you know world and be like wow there is energy that’s circulating here with the Psychedelic medicines in the plant medicine is where people are not just bumping into each other wasted they’re actually creating sacred geometrical forms and surrendering to this Divine Shakti kind of healing energy and it’s creating a much more uplifting vibration that I could very much see how it identify was so I’m kind of a but that’s just for me just within the last few years so I got a lot of catching up to do to the people who’ve been in that world for much longer and I just want to thank you cuz if you’re you know yeah it sounds like you were part of the lineage that has brought this salvation into MiFi thank you for that and give you that little bit of back of myself but so moving into the something that you you do some some work if I understand correctly some of your professional livelihood work is is education sexual sexuality education and bringing some of these initiatory technologies that you’ve discovered into that world so could you talk a bit about what you do in that in that says space yeah okay so when we talk about you know professional or I don’t know like you know what we’d get you know how to identify the work that we do or place its values at what we get paid to do chores what we do just without being asked to get paid enough so a lot of this work I would say is you know by nature of what it is as in as I was saying before as in the marginalized safe spaces that are created through other things like Gatherings that are already happening you know I don’t have to go through that hole you know system knots wooden props judge some of these things so I think there’s kind of a harkening back to the way it was in that this kind of knowledge was safeguarded after contacts you know like a lot of the indigenous healing Traditions or however we want to call it you know how to be a sort underground and so I I say that’s kind of reflected in how we how I approached this kind of thing even though you know today will will will post the events publicly on Facebook and things like that there is still a ring to it that is about you know not waiting for us to be given our our approval by by Society you know we just know that it’s important so we do this and and so like I’ve been doing this constantly one of my goals that I set out of certain point was that at least you know once a year there would be a community gathering around love sex intelligence and the rest of the time you know we haven’t online for him but very important for that hole project has been and which we’ve stepped it up in the recent months to make sure that hopefully like every month we can do something is to to say that the community around learning about how to how to harmonise our relationships how to defend our sexuality into something that is you know how uplifting our spiritual path is something that needs to be done you know with with with more support and so that’s why it’s it can’t just functioning online capacity so that’s something I’ve committed to we have we’ve been actually our next event is focusing squarely on sexual initiation I’m pink resented by someone named ya Lila Espinoza is looking at how to tweeze mower practices that she learned in Peru you know have informed around healing and and then creating her own initiation but yeah I also you know as an astrologer I work with people and often it is around relating I’ve done a little bit of like you know support for people I think what happens is you know when when you become a central figure in any given Community people will come to you when they’re in crisis and this is what has informed my my the work that I do around you know Rites of Passage is responding to crisis from a place that seeks to get to the root of what is causing the crisis which in so many cases is that there is a lack of of support and people therefore will resort to self initiation just something I’ve had to do in my own life and and see it so much the case for some of the other people and there’s another psychological shifts that occur when people an emotional shift that occur when people feel a sense that they’re being held that they are being that they can fit they can let go and have a safe space to go into those wounds and begin working on them and of course it would help if we had a little more guidance and how to do that but thought comes over over time you know we have to work from where we’re at and so that’s something that I’ve been in in the my own process of of my own work around here figuring what those things are with those tools are and Tom yeah like I said I’m not an expert but I can at least Point people in some directions I guess what we’re looking at here is that there’s an underground space very intentional underground space that is more conducive to kind of freestyling or rolling your own ceremony and just holding the light and and letting those who it call who are called to it you know it would become integrated into keep it at the gala Therrien and flowing so that you don’t have cult of personality and politics and all of the scenester Hipster things coming in and that’s always up in it and he has to be on guard against and whatnot so I see there’s that unfoldment in that development and then there’s people who are also working like stay in the social work field who are informing their peers and colleagues in those sectors with these Neo shamanic techniques or nonviolent communication or your where it’s legal and accessible and permissible you know legally again to be able to put people on amor I guess like prisons prison you Lila has a very and I’ve done some I interviewed her in the past and I’m a big fan of what she’s doing and I know she has a strong background in clinical social work and is feeding back into that sector the wisdom of of the Amazon and and Beyond and so is that something that you have I just thought I remember reading somewhere you know or talk to you at some point about how this is this is like you could be hired by the more formal above ground and sectors of social work or Community work with where you can be brought in to bring some of the stuff that would normally be or I guess it’s just that it’s a very interesting Cutting Edge of an intersection and I if I’m not mistaken that’s that you you are like sort of partially in that world 2 of of social work or is that something I understand correctly yeah I’ll I will string this conversation back and see where where I where I am placed social work as well as all the modalities of counseling and healing you know like they are all part and parcel to supporting and upholding status quo capitalist system so I’m going to like you know like you know also haven’t been in the punk scene also had a big enough impact on my my party now 13 m in terms of healing these wounds we have to look at that and I we can’t we can’t say like that are healing is going to be independent of the world that is reeling and suffering from the continuation of this system as it is and so that’s where for me like bringing capitalism into the equation is is something that’s real tricky it’s something that I feel needs to be kind of understood. You know we we can’t just rely on having sting services that we can pay for because that creates a gap you know where some people are going to have accessible abilities to to the healing and others won’t and that’s that’s not healthy for anyone and and also that it doesn’t address the root cause of why we need social workers to begin with and why we need counseling and all of that so I really like the notion of cultural healing that’s where more where I would be comfortable in any way kind of looking at myself as any kind of healer I don’t think we we can really heal individuals that’s really something that you know a person will need to and it’s not like they can be facilitated to do their own healing work but nobody can fix us we have to fix ourselves that’s that’s more I think a more powerful Paradigm to be apart of but you know I I I have worked in the realm of I focused therapy and you know I have spent quite a bit of time around the spirit plant medicines and seeing how the plant medicines have assisted and I do I do continue continuously work to increase my knowledge and wisdom around working with us plants and and that also brings us back into that hole realm of discussion around you know ancestors and working with them or perhaps that’s something we haven’t really touched upon but maybe she said it’s just that in any form of healing that we do I guess for me the important thing that I really try to bring into whatever I do connecting back with her ancestors and healing the trauma of how we were disconnected from those ancestors and how that plays out in any kind of sexual wounds or emotional wounds that we carry and so that’s something that I I I feel like the role of initiation and ritual can can really do and that’s that’s been its Province ever since people began doing patrols I think it’s to build upon the legacy of their ancestors and to draw and their their help and support cool said that yeah thank you for helping me understand the other parameters a little better and and 100% there with you I have I have been because I live in the United States where there’s different laws around no prostitution in in how that affects the healing with sexual touch and pleasure as medicine and stuff like that is a lot more yes I understand in in Canada there’s there’s a lot more interesting legal space in order to do Hands-On Sexual Healing work relative to the US where it’s completely off limits in so I because of that adapting to that reality and also is a permaculture designer myself I have to think very deeply about how to navigate this issue of for-profit healing work that kind of in most sectors is about like you said I’ll put in my own words it’s like they want to know if if the if you’re at a time of time robot that supposed to be producing a set amount to be a productive member of the of the GDP then then if you’re not functioning properly than the the goal of the mainstream social work or psychotherapeutic or psychiatric Fields they’re trying to get you back into the rat race as soon as possible and they’ll do that with drugs with talk therapy or whatever that is about avoiding through tissue which is the disconnection from urethane from a healthy holistic wild habitat you know a night as a primitivist I see that you know the solution to your Neurosis is to retry belies and Get Growing your own food again in and rebuild that fabric so you know there with you on that tension about right livelihood in and taking money for healing and what is he doing so I really like what you said and that just is going to it’s going to help me a lot looking at healing the cultural level and healing the if I’m understanding right and I’ll put a couple my own words on it but I feel like we’re trying to build the scaffolding or were trying to design the context for people to take the responsibility of a personal healing and gone to that journey and so if you if what would you say are some practical skills are tools from all of your things that you would teaching and training and a things that you discovered in your own journey to where you’re in power tools for empowerment that you suggest or are resources that you suggest people Explorer to if they’re called to do the cultural healing work weather for profit or non-profit. Some dance between the two or it and then what what are some recommendations for people who are on their own path and aren’t necessarily called to do the the cultural healing yeah I mean it’s it’s a pretty vast subject that one but I think that a few points that I could think about and talk about our that I’m going to this idea of bringing you back in the station rights and recognizing that in the absence of them what do we have you know we are we are sadly in there without initiated Elders so many of us and if there are any of Elders that hold that ability to to guide those those ones are those are worth their weight in gold you know there really is people that we should try to lift up and and give them their recognition and see you know and then in the absence of that it’s like we kind of by default Our Generations people that will have to hopefully fulfill that and reach a place where we can actually help upcoming generations to go in a way that they don’t have to completely go it alone and and figure it out on them on their own the way that so many of us have had to and so there is a movement around Rites of Passage I sit on the board if you passageways which is a network that focus is squarely on you no Rites of Passage for you coming of age from all different walks and and and modalities you know some of them are our Boys to Men oriented some of them are girls to women some of them are starting to incorporate non gender binary kind of approaches as well which is good and and this whole focus on bringing back the ancestors into looking at Rites of Passage is is starting to happen and something that I focused on and so that’s that’s a resource you know people can go to youth passageways. Oregon and look at what programs are out there and they can also think about how they can add to that list and bring in things that are needed around especially around sexuality and relationship which is often I noticed kind of a big gap in a lot of programs out there you know because they’re confined confined or constrained by the conservative values where they take place and you know what school system is you know this is one of those places lagging for that kind of thing so it’s a role that I think that many people who understand the need can step into and cultivate as career paths you know and some people are pig figuring out how they can weave their credentials says on Sexual Health Educators or sexual therapist or sexual trauma or no trauma-based therapists you know into this realm of initiation and that’s that needs to happen on a on an increased level the other I see a lot of because of what I was saying around looks really don’t how many Avenues to learn other than through you know what the books in the workshops and offerings around sexuality thoughts unfortunately are not rooted in in people’s only need two lineages generally speaking you know so the whole Tantra movement is pretty much so you know a cultural appropriator of New Age fight version of those Traditions that would have been squashed by Christianity especially and so I think there’s work to be done there and as much as possible Retreat retrieving reconstructing are reconnecting with our own ancestral Traditions which I’m sure you know had their own knowledge wisdom around how to how to raise healthy harmonious individuals with healthy sexualities from from the vantage point of how what little I do know has been has been done in indigenous cultures and without wanting to appropriate for them from them I’ll just give way of examples out of that you know in and certain cultures that are studied like the Mayan culture and I think to some degree on certain places within Creek culture there’s examples of how as societies you know that the children are raised from an early age 2 reach a point where they understand how to how to harmonize with the other sex and how to to look after each other and that’s just a very basic principle that I feel like you know that’s that’s worth kind of learning how to integrate into our family structures if we have children that were raising just to keep in mind that you know there is a need for them to learn skills around things like consent and around being responsible with with one’s sexual energies and and I needs to start before they reach that age of adolescence where they’re just harder to connect with if you haven’t built up that Foundation so that’s something that I think about will do you so if I if if we check out that the organization that you mention is it would that be good place to find and something like a more enlightened or more conscious like sexual education curriculum or guidebook do you know if people were working on something like that so if I know if you know parents who were going through the puberty of their child that they have something that’s not just this cold clinical Western and even though that sort of evolving a little bit you know with things like a sack didn’t and whatnot I see a lot but the The ancestral wisdom and you know the ceremonial Rites of Passage you know how does it how does the Modern Family say okay well you’re about to start feeling you know hormonal Energy’s how do we give you know create even if it’s just within their family or their Community yoga or whatever is something more than what’s being offered in the normal sex ed or what they’re listening in gangster rap music and watching on sitcoms obviously you know it’s enough for lack of lot of alternative options it’s one one place to look and we’re always looking for others so whenever we discover something then we will see to auditory resources and we are trying to vet those resources and those organizations to make sure that they really are you know at least there’s some some level of you know safe recommendation that we can give for those those organizations we’re not we’re not in the position to really kind of completely you know set standards but we are trying to we have a code of what we call it a cross-cultural protocol so we do look at that aspect that you have for what we’re talking about that’s you know if that’s another layer that we will hopefully get to eventually and I do know that there are people within our Network who are really strongly focused on this particularly around girls to women kind of education and and Rites of Passage and some of the Boys to Men once but I think it’s also something we need to to enhance as well oh that’s great yeah that’s that’s that’s what I wanted to hear so that I can just refer people to this ongoing and so and then the LSI is kind of its there’s a Facebook I’ve been interacting with the the Facebook group for a while so is that something you recommend people plug-in I mean that’s the goal of that is to feature blogs and generate discussions from those blogs and also to establish a resource of services as well as information and so that’s you know running on in a very limited volunteer capacity and so you know it’s something that I hope will eventually become a very powerful resource but already it’s you know it’s been feedback that I’ve received that you know even just the the group that we have on Facebook somebody posted recently. You know it’s really help them in their in their path which is nice to hear and I’ve heard that a few times and I try to curate that group in such a way where it’s like you know it’s trying to generate discussion and it’s it’s trying to be a safe space where where people can get into some of those I’m intimate revealing is of what what’s going on in their lives one of the things that kind of came out of love sex intelligence local as a connection with Tamara and the love school that they have which is a very congruence philosophy to love sex intelligence and they’re their work to try to create or with to create safe spaces for people to to share stories of what’s going on in their intimate lover sexual lives and and B witnessed in a way that is non-judgemental where they’re not being flooded with advice but more just being witnessed which is kind of connected to that whole framework for Rites of Passage itm witnessing each other and so it’s it’s trying to also look at how you know communities can succeed in their in their goals which might include you know like being more sustainable or being an alternative to the systems around us and also being a part of a more peaceful kind of culture through filling this hole that is often where things go wrong where people are are are not feeling safe to talk about these these human experiences around wounding around are our hearts and our sexuality so I’ve been part of a Practice Group here that has been circulating also to other parts of BC and I think it’s a really it’s a really powerful movement to be a part of yeah we’re getting close to an hour or so I have to take a few more minutes and I’m get a couple thoughts and feelings some responsible for 1 something that his is coming up for me that I think it’s really empowering is this like idea that wouldn’t it be nice if some of us started to think of ourselves as aspiring Elders I’ve never thought of it that way until this conversation and there’s a little spark of joy and me that that says you know puts in context the the punk rock lifestyle that I had of live fast Die Young and just you know if it’s not throwing yourself into the meat grinder of insurrectionary activism you know with this sort of Death Wish you know this martyr complex or whatever it’s like those are really unsustainable archetypes to follow and they leave a lot of people when they get to my age in about 35 like in a sort of existential crisis that will the revolution didn’t happen and I didn’t get killed I didn’t die in the gutter you know I mean what am I going to do now and it’s like well maybe it’s time to become an aspiring Elder and you know clean up your act and and then start to think about how you’re going to make it easier cuz I there’s a lot of things that I had to go through that I would seriously love to have no one else ever have to go through and if you know if we can live in that. you know that is what you’re supposed to think that I think of you say you know you can you can learn from the wisdom of Elders who have gone through and made the mistakes that you’re probably going to go through or you can just be hard-headed and learn all your lessons the hard way but I mean we’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons in the absence of the eldership but I think if we take on that there’s a yeah me too. It seems obvious but really the way you put it his medicine for me to think you know it’s a dignified path to be an aspiring Elder and then it makes you not be so how do I can help you defeat that that that grinding pressure that oh my I’m going to lose my looks and I’m going to lose my energy and I’m going to be in the state of deprecation towards death and that’s very much the greatest fear of the western manicured Uno photoshopped airbrushed identity like you’re not really giving any hope that aging will be of any benefit in here just marginalized further and further so I thank you for that serve very much still give that time sacred eldership dignity not a light title to hold I think the true Elder wouldn’t really feel comfortable in it cuz it’s defining attributes of an elder that is really one that can help that role be the best it can be is one that is is really accountable is really present isn’t so on the move that if you can’t you know be relied upon to be there for the people that it serves now needs to ideally be in the in the fellowship of other Elders to kind of keep it in in in check in a way like we have to watch for the Cole group kind of phenomenon where people you know place a lot of weight on that person and in a way that can privilege them in certain ways and also lead to potential like power distortions and things like that you know it’s it’s only human that people will make mistakes and so having that kind of accountability of other people and also that time yeah you have people heart or a different there’s always like in every phase of life with the lifecycle there’s there’s like the maturing phases and so there’s like you know there’s a baby elder there’s enough adult Elder and then Senior Elder and so it’s just we have to learn at each stage of Life how to become the mature version of what that stage is and says just something to think about as well and it’s good to to get your feet wet early on in life so that you know we can have deep roots and and the and those are the kinds of people to like in the Tamara situation out of the black community they have a circle of Elders who are basically people who have grown with a community enough that they know the people in their community and then they serve a role as potential kind of like the Matchmaker but you know in a way where people can approach them in and ask them like you know I’m interested in this person and they can help you assess whether this is the right time or what is a good or bad idea and you know they can kind of that. Whole courtship in a way that you know really I think I wish there were more of those people around here don’t you let me relax you know learn the hard way what does that we’re just not compatible certain people in The Matrix the I mean yeah I’m not I’m not a political scientist of the Matrix but I will say that what got me peaked on the ecstatic trance dance group ritual ceremony festival thing was it really when I saw I think it was maybe the second movie or maybe it was the second or the third but there was a scene where they’re just getting down to like Juno Reactor I think was a soundtrack of a butt there is something beautiful about seeing the different the warrior culture Guided by elders and of course there’s different the archetypes playing out in Conflict split that to me was took it further than then the Star Trek Federation is a futuristic Elder guided Council guided kind of reality so that was kind of fun but yeah so that’s what came to mind when you’re at we’re talking about that be so cool if you’re early sexual oracle’s who you go to you know if we’re going to give you insights and maybe even have name your child for you or something cool like that you know be so cool but right on then will I worry about at the hours so do you have any closing touch you want to share or any other resources or should we just I’ll post the the links that you mention and I’ll definitely encourage people to stay informed and keep an eye out for your anything coming up you have any appearances or anything exciting like that coming up you want to mention I think yeah I think I covered a lot of it and I just wanted to maybe plant a seed while I have the airwaves here about something that I’d I’d eventually like to work on presenting which is around insert Intercultural relationships and also decolonizing our relationships as well and just thinking about how how we can heal some of these ancestral traumas and use that has as as a means to strengthen our relationships and also our society right on I’ll be looking forward to everything that you’re you’re expressing in the world and I hopefully yeah maybe sometime in the future we can talk about skill sets for Beyond Christian monogamy that would be a great topic so yeah how would you feel about that maybe we can sometime in the next few months follow up with something like that. Maybe by the by the time I’ll have more of a personal lived experience to a base conversation around that I think you know in terms of people who are already I don’t know how many listeners here are on a Christian spiritual path without that many but if the energy and gnosticism and sacred marriage not going to the alchemical top in the in the Gnostic tradition but I I wouldn’t make any claims to be an expert in that area but it’s definitely something to look at cool alright then we will be in touch and will follow up sometime in the future and thank you so much so be I really enjoyed it and I know it’s taking us a while to get this to get this done but I think it was perfect and I couldn’t ask for anything more so you have a wonderful day. Take care and keep for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Contra Punk. Com Thomas Day

EarthSky People with Victoria and Nhan TPP30

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tpp-victoria-and-nhan-pic-smallIn this episode I converse with one of my favorite spiritual warrior power couples about their background and future vision for the EarthSky People project.

We talk about the increasing rate of shamanic initiation, the path of the spiritual warrior, the reconciliation of low and high technology, the medicalization of energy healing, evolving models for intentional community and more!

You can read their bios below and follow up with them at: http://earthskypeople.org

Victoria’s Bio:

Victoria is a champion of truth and consciousness.  Her diverse and colorful history gives her a unique perspective and keen ability to connect with people from all walks of life and also pierce the confounding veils of ambiguity and misdirection that are so frequently employed by the powers that be.
Raised in the ghettos of Spain, as a multi-ethnic child, by a single mother, Victoria grew from her experiences with poverty, racism, sexual harassment, congenital problems and social stigma only to achieve high level of health as well as success in the entertainment industry.  In the midst of a series of severe life trials culminating in a near death experience, a spontaneous kundalini awakening, and involvement with occult societies while exploring metaphysics, healing and martial arts, she left her old life in Spain to forge a new one in the United States.  With minimal English speaking skills, no money, and no family to help her, Victoria hustled her way off the streets of Hollywood with brute determination.  Through a series of profound learning experiences she discovered her true calling as a herald of truth.

 

Victoria now focuses her energies on sovereignty, disclosure, exopolitics, and truth through her radio show EarthSky People Radio. She composes transcendental music, is an author and is co-founder of the EarthSky People movement, catalyzing change and providing resources for a new social paradigm centered on regenerative living skills.  Victoria has also rediscovered the “missing link” in truth seeking via ancestral wisdom and the art of direct revelation through shamanic practices in the Zulu and Cross Cultural lineages as well as a connection with her Star Families and their invitation to partake in an Intergalactic society.

http://earthskypeople.org/victoria-vives-khuong/

Nhan’s Bio

Nhan is a dedicated Husband, Traditional Medicine practitioner, Martial Arts and self defense trainer, Bladesmith, wilderness living and primitive skills instructor.

A UCLA alumni, Nhan graduated as a pre-medical student with a Bachelor of Science degree in Psychobiology.

Disillusioned with institutionalized education and work, Nhan has dedicated his life journey to the discovery of truth, and the exploration of human potential, leading him to co-founding the EarthSky People movement with his wife, Victoria.  Now he focuses on teaching self reliance skills, nature and ancestral connection, and solutions to the confounding misinformation, half-truths and deception propagated by mainstream media and the powers that be.

Integrating his background in traditional healing arts, classical and non-classical martial arts, unconventional life philosophies, pre-industrial skills and technology, and powered by a love and reverence for nature, Nhan’s mission is to help others live lightly on the Earth while developing a deeper connection with nature through aboriginal and modern wilderness living skills, ancestral wisdom, and a community of growing consciousness.

http://earthskypeople.org/nhan-esteban-khuong/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello Victoria and yams thank you for joining me on the Township Line podcast go back several years and I’m excited to hear about their wonderful project that you two are up to these days so we’re going to try talk about the Earth Sky people today if you want to give a bit of an introduction and then we’ll go on to some questions my husband and I of you know we had a little bit before then so I’m more into the sky meaning I practice healing and I am a little spacey sometimes and my husband keeps me a little more down-to-earth and ground extreme you know like Eros in Skype at the same time they have a very common aspect with you really connect with sinks in a deeper level whether it is paired with any other people with nature with star families so I’ll be in with you know if you and I. can get it on and fix something so special about Mary it imagine if we create a community where everybody is welcome and the only thing that we needed to be able to to go to Harmony with one another understanding that each person is like a beef in an organ in the body so we’re together like an organism and together we can accomplish so much more than a little bitty idea the Inception of the what we we had in mind and we were on the way to A Primitive skills Gathering up north Buckeye and that gave us a lot of inspiration also because of the way that they set up a mini of Youth Gathering isn’t is village-style we’re basically seems like you’re no little primitive Village and everybody have a has a place in a roll and it feels like family and there’s a lot of connection and teamwork and I guess you say ancestral Village feel and we felt that that was something that was missing yet so essential in in life at Michigan in the modern culture so that’s kind of another one of the groundwork framework basis of of the earth fat people community movement can I have something cuz I have something bad about just say it all they’re going to do is bother anything but instead to be able to combine everything you know so we can be using our computers and have the most amazing technology while being in nature so I just wanted to make sure that. He’s scared notion that’s kind of paralleling the super Hi-Tech Stephen if there’s a you know a balance is appropriate technology and ethics you know of caring for the Earth in the process of developing and more guy in minded progress than we can all benefit from Innovation so I’m excited to see that this is happening with you all the contacts are from in the context of healing the Earth and healing the wounds of the more negative or darker sides of progress and Technology this is the worst Shamanism and you wanted to talk about your particular offerings in that area so do you want to talk about how you got into you or discovered the shamanic gifts programs and training sessions and what not to buy right right away. There is no certification in Shamanism reality BFF irritator like I am a facilitator for other people to connect with their guiding spirits and receive their training but I feel that the training comes mostly directly from and nobody one knows that it is in the illustrations are happening there life that means that it is not a lot of talent this week’s actually awake and you into what is happening and it helped you also going in-depth into your life so that you don’t just look at things superficially spell really really discover all the things that. Sometimes we have not aware of because you’re not Society we are distracted most of the time we are always busy going to the thing that we have to complete and sometimes we don’t go deeper as we could so we might case I just have had several things in my life including a near-death experience and then I joined I met finally My Mentor in shamanism and that is what really really put me on the bus I feel that even though the training comes from. It is very very important to have a good mental that is soaked Integrity of wisdom and that is really compassionate and loading so that some of the things that I I feel really helped me in my path okay awesome well and I know that your professional career going back quite a ways was actually in in the realm of being a superhero kind of perspective it’s interesting because you know a lot of what we stand in Ancient India that you know Hindu time they were they were actually going deep into these medications and rituals and accessing what we would Now call super powers in the actual translation of what they were called I believe I’m saying it right in God’s greatest cities is the word that was used for these different you know Clairvoyance clairaudience healing powers astral projection my location all these different super powers are being cultivated and I’m wondering if you know it as you worked on your shamanic path if you feel like there’s a residence with that sort of superhero superpower kind of shark attacking us if we were like a shamanic X-Men came we would have different superpowers what are some of the superpowers that you’re cultivating and in their healing powers I think I heard you say this one. Maybe it’s not as fancy as you would expect being so you would be community and compassion their superpowers do you know any pretty funny because in my past and as you know I have evening entertainment so everything is about external power sometimes and looking cool and things like that and I was so very much into the superhero thing so in 2010 I have to be at the casino program to Lee martial arts in Iceland is spotted delving into really being a little more down-to-earth perhaps you know not that I cannot go to the IDL super about the expense to understand that when we have all of that it is not about bragging about it and say hey look at me I’m going to be quiet and when somebody needs me I’m going to be of help so I’m using this to help all of life how can we tap into our food power and you said to support all of life in I feel like when we focus on our way more and more gifts are given to us so we are receiving motovlog power because we are not confusing it for being flashy or for looking cool we just have to help people we really want to transform the world so we’re going to use it in a way that is not wasting excited to get rid of energy in just showing up in this passage I got a few options and I ain’t got to understand a lot of things about how a superhero or anyone that is living on this Earth because the fact of Being Human and having emotions and having to deal with so many technicians are relieved I feel that that is to be at me around you know that is something that we can admire wow you know how can we deal with this situation how can we be so literal and yet so powerful perception but it seems that diminish if you like you’re saying if you’ve heard cocky with it or if you are trying to be impressing people or you’re not using it for the wrong reasons or even just having a bit too much about you go so I totally feel like what you said about how to get it’s a lot harder to develop those Federal Farms is compassion and Grace and then then to be transferred in El Paso I guess you can call it the shamanic me more Neo Shamanism it’s it’s it’s getting a sizing and popularity of especially in that guy you could call it the transformational festival movement like there’s a lot of people who are just spontaneously having Kundalini activations and and really like waking hours of a Seder different chakras in chakras system are are are are are weakening rapidly it’s almost to the earth into it to humanity for the people who are more towards becoming trying to purify themselves in some way so that they can accept and receive and work with his energy there really starting to come out of the woodwork and seek guidance so there’s like luckily there’s more more Elders now than ever who were right in a rising to the occasion to provide guidance and stuff we have you had that are you finding that people are freaking out at that time it was like there we are picking up something like a few do but after 2012 people of you said they are Awakening they are looking for something deeper they are having Kundalini they really are looking for a teacher a mentor somebody to guide them so yes I absolutely know if that and I am so grateful the opportunity to help someone because now it makes sense in my life you know I’ve been in challenges and I didn’t have somebody to guide me for many many years for me the possibility of learn the hard way help me out to really be able to understand many situations of or people come to a decision and they may have trouble with the dancing and I’ve been there so I can help with that and I’m very very own order to be able to go by that and absolutely everybody can talk into shamanic journeying for example is like something that was before check for the examining the tribe know it’s something that everybody can learn about how to Journey Shamanism then something different to be in the shamanic path meaning that only stop people may feel the calling of becoming food shamanic practitioner which means do healing for others in Death Valley for little different than it once I get inside calling. Some people feel and it’s not always a great thing because it means that we awake yeah but everybody everybody can do shamanic healing Reiki Crystal I feel everybody can do it for sure all right all right I meant to thank you you know when I when I started noticing from your post and from your your offerings you know online like I had I’ve been a little bit I’ve just been in my own Journey so I haven’t been in touch with you that much but I’ve been you know I’ve been observing you know the development and it seems like we strongly feel that you two as a married couple or a really good role models in it for in a lot of ways and I just keep seeing more positive elements develop energy has my heart and makes me have so much faith in humanity and I really I think there’s something that is a a kind of ongoing dilemma that I’ve noticed within but say that the world of of new age healers and whatnot is that they sometimes not only is there a lacking of groundedness much is the discipline of a warrior training but Peaceful Warrior saying that word I say that you’re if you know I look up to you as Masters and I’ve trained with you both a little bit and so I feel like that’s a huge part of it in and it seems like to to combat you know combat what what we’re dealing with that’s causing a lot of negativity on the planet trying to put together templates for calm lake spiritual Warrior’s selling Temple kind of environments that are temples were we can maintain a high vibrational state where we’re protecting each other and ourselves and helping people learn how to defend themselves you know spiritual self defense is what I think I see that be the future being so do you have any thoughts on what you said one thing to you about teachers or Killers feeling ungrounded I think that is a human being is very important if we want to kill Julie especially a physical body we need to be in a physical body so it’s not about somewhere else but instead to take the body with us and we need to expand that we are who we are human being human being so we totally need to innovate and in my classes I ignored his dad you know that some people is not be connected with her body and I know that before he s i b in teaching intensively disconnect at least once a month they come to class and then going to exercise and eat healthy and it is necessary in a few said that Warrior energy not that we need to fight per se but you need to be a Joann on your space and say this is my space and XFinity dancers my face no I am not old love life I must have power so it’s a perfect balance between the two sides thoroughly agree on. Austin Austin Rhodes at 3 to hear something that is involved in Jeep Commando of Healing Arts I would say an integrative approach that from the wisdom traditions of the world and also brings in the science the scientific aspect of it so that are that are practicing and it’s basically it’s a combination of Qi Gong and and Ricky and even some of the more biblical sort of fact energy healing reference and the way they’re trying to language it is is a paradigm shift in thinking about the cause of a physical and mental illnesses being actual sort of insect infestations or infections by astral entities that are acidic in nature and that they’re kind of you know sucking our life force and and looking opportunistically cracks in our oilfield so they can pop you know they can build nests in our chakras and take her energy our life force and so the the methodology is used to extract and remove those entities and dispose of them so that they don’t reinfect the patient or you know cross-contaminate the Healer and so there’s always protocols for stuff like that and clairvoyants have the power to see exactly what’s going on if it’s a surgery you know that the surgical removal of entities and I’m wondering if you what year what your thoughts are on that way of looking at this kind of medical the healing energy healing and medical sentence to where did those come together and you’re mine I guess is the question for sure Medical Science and healing very much coming together I have several students that are nurses and they are actually implementing healing for class for patients at hospital so they are actually hired so that they can bring healing to hospital to absolutely and the other day I don’t stop to Kaiser Permanente to speak about Ricky and yes absolutely they coming together and I feel it’s very necessary energy stealing the medicine. My perspective I feel the most of our issues are caused by stress and then you know when we are we NBA stars not allowing the energy to flow freely to us it can be things you can behave yourself and entities so I can be gift a virus or anything that is not of the frequency that we are that is going to just take a penny in love me something that is resolved by relaxing oneself Aaliyah more meditate in a little more and more in our society as we were talking about we are always on the go but we really need to go with him you know we are very distracted with everything around that everything is calling our attention and taking our energy so as soon as I bring all of them at the back and going back to something earlier about reclaiming the birthright to live in a village culture that’s going to provide the the maintenance in the care for the soul and the chakras you have to bother you in a physical body you know I have experienced personal healings where it became very clear to me that we’re kind of condition to accept a very very low low volume and low quality of has like familial love and you can call it tribal love or Village of left till you know the deficiency it’s a kind of like how are you going to boot up and power your whole system and keep your order a strong and clear if you if you have self-image issues and you’ve been up to use your traumatized in your relationship sir or horrible show the question of how do we amplify that sort of unconditional self-love and communal healthy In-N-Out in with Integrity that how are you how are you integrating that we are working with that like this just dosing people with pure love energy so that they get a kind of you know a jump start yeah you know I seen that in our society we are so divided so everything is expensive you know and we have so used to be on our own. We don’t really feel like we can come to one another and I feel that every time that we really can provide that feeling of community but they’re supposed to come and learn one of the classes it’s not just about leaving. Let me know where you’re starting your own power that’s one thing because when we are so fragmented will start feeling the same power imagine you know if we believe in the idea that we are part of the web of life and we are all connected to the Web of Life and we are helping one another we are supported by the life which is nature but suddenly you are disconnected from that you are fragmented so then you don’t feel that support then you feel alone you feel love you feel disempowered you start thinking that you need to find your food in the supermarket your medicine in the hospital and your money in your in your jokes so that you can eat for everything else you know just in I filled up. What we really want to change with her Sky people will it is to videos radio interviews is becoming part of the community. We need a place where we can act and do things not just talk but really put things into practice having people maybe come for a weekend and they can enjoy how it is to live in a community and he doesn’t mean that they have to lose their privacy we really appreciate our privacy as well so we want to have a space with more people is going to be on their own you know having their own space but then also places where people can commune have dinner together sing together this together you know so I feel that a yes. Yeah yeah about the kind of the disconnect and the the modern culture than we have now that is so different from I guess not not supporting a thriving in a growing a nurturing environment my people that at least for my experience one of the four major elements that are involved with that happening is the play lack of transparency and communication and honesty and just overall connection with ourselves with other people with the Earth and I think not having that is what is promoting this kind of the separation that that you were mentioning the media the government you know we here in the modern cultures all about separation into getting us distracted by the next newest popular thing as opposed to just reaching within and and finding answers within yourself and your connection with others it’s about woodworking in this landscape in this vile reaching at thousand years ago and I’ll work a thousand years from now and that’s being in harmony with the larger natural cycles in the patterns of human culture that we’ve definitely been a violent least ever from and position for an intentional Community obviously there’s been many experiments skin intentional communities and for a lot of reasons they have a lot of them has failed in the past and so now I think we have a lot more resources to to learn from the mistakes and I’m wondering what unique perspectives you all have and what kind of vision you have for the Earth Sky people intentional Community future yeah well frame it in what we know of the path menu path the path intentional communities in a lot of the current ones are generally based around a very specific unifying subject whether it’s you know permaculture are there seems to be a lot of a few permaculture Center intentional communities and like religion or some other very unifying centralized subject quite the centralized in that sense essential or trying to do is create a a new paradigm what our current society in which is everybody everything is such a mix of so many different colors and smells and taste all the varieties that we have in people and culture in finding a way for everybody not just to coexist but to thrive and to top each other to grow so yeah there might be some permaculture in there there might be a different you know a spiritual beliefs and save people’s all different backgrounds in the ideas to find that common glue that will help everybody to just really connect at that Village level while also we’re not wanting to go back to you know madik tribes but in this modern time we really need to draw from from the past and transform it into what’s going to help us now I was all the issues in the the we would have lost him that about what work one doesn’t work and we’re still experimenting you know we’re pretty far from you know what what what really works but we have a really good idea and we’re looking at it mostly like a social experiment know we all have our intention and intention of desire to make it work with the intention to communicate always keep open lines of communication because we’re always have issues and conflicts I come up as long as we have that intention desire to always move past them and re-established balance will always be able to do that Katherine and I would love to have something to that also some more things that I feel my house sale in the past is that sometimes people were living together without having their own space to move the people that came to our meeting they were mentioning about that they had the experience of living maybe 10 people in a house you know anytime good idea but if nobody has some processing their own emotions that can become difficult especially if there is not a good communication system we have found that communication is very important communication people being able to relax relate to each other anything. A feeling this is going to be very very important and lovely one of the things that are very important to me is commitment when does it take more time was thinking all this is great and I’m just something in this is some of the things I can say in the beginning but we are planning some people just think about meeting and having fun which is great but we need except I don’t think it happened once Bay communities built that means that some people in the community really putting on the work and I really bring all the other people just going to relax and not supposed to match the community so important life mission my parents actually funded back to the land training institute in the seventies and yeah they were pretty amazing stuff very cutting-edge stuff at that time and why they collapsed but they were they were they were I guess one of the the pioneering experiments and successes and failures and peanuts in my blood and my whole life I’ve been kind of seeking and studying you know Vista different types of social experiments that play was the Quail Springs permaculture farm near Ojai and it said the real uniting the unifying common ground of why people are there it really is it really this is his as I was told it’s that they’re taking responsibility to listen to the land and to heal the land from the wounding of industrial agriculture that appropriate gardening and farming the land is is there a reward for nursing it back to health and because that’s the intention that’s holding it together it feels really I can’t I can’t speak highly enough about how uplifting it was to be there again and they have some very very elegant sophisticated mechanisms in place to manage what is the sort of invisible this invisible sector of dysfunctional human psychology that every in the sexual kind of brings into an environment their baggage baggage and and if it’s not if we have a very unique way of acknowledging that everybody is going to bring that you know those and it goes interpersonal conflict you know into our social environment and I won’t go into detail about them here but but I strongly encourage you and anyone else who was looking at this who has access to the West Coast to get y’all get on their mailing list and and and try to check them out because you know I will say one thing that I remember hearing the one of the co-founders day is that you know they don’t want to get bogged down in psychological processing in meetings there if there’s going to be stuff that has to be processed then let’s get out into the land and work to get her hands dirty and and then 99% of what what Whoever thought was a big deal of drama is just going to have to operate an appropriate activity together and sister bonding that they do in this every every every night they get together for dinner and everyone goes around a circle expressing with their grateful for that they learn that day and just anchoring this really high vibrational positive from social cohesion where where they acknowledge Persistence of these negative thought-forms that are just trying to ruin everything and invite acknowledging them and designing and started dancing with them they don’t have to consume everything in NM people can get their love and nurse nourishment that they need for the community and so got Integrity in the capability to to help facilitate group processing and there’s definitely good some good models out there so that’s just my two cents about that a Visa for sure so we have to take that out and I feel that what you are talking about this evening the shadow so you know that’s why I Feel Love Nana and I have a little bit of the understanding of even with the differences and sometimes you know in the beginning we show our life and everything is beautiful in that can become very well you know I’m quite scary we have the intention of going with people together I feel it can be extremely powerful yeah holding that mission and purpose and a bigger picture so that the petty squabbles are are dwarfed by the chaos in the rewards of what’s on the horizon eye again I have to applaud you offer for being good role models for healthy relationship in the right relationship then and you know progressing towards some personal goals and dreams and not stagnating which is what kills a lot of them a lot of love so reconnecting and put some of the stuff out there so do you have any additional hour or final thoughts and we can wrap it up do you want to do something first no not I’m I’m I’m happy with the appreciate reconnecting with you and getting a chance to talk about what we’re doing is well okay so far me and yes I would like to see it out. Anyone that wants to be part of an International Community in Los Angeles do we have a website and is Earth Sky people or so you will see that our vision and all of the classes that we are opening if you want to just come to some classes and get to know that you can do that as well and I will also be teaching a shamanic training so anyway you can contact me at the same website are sky people. Org and one more thing very very important been thank you so much for all of you are doing because I know that in your life to bring positive energy to bring positive changes to help others to really honored a divine feminine and I really appreciate that and everybody that is listening to thank you so much for your time and for being there awesome alright much love and respect and I will see you very soon sounds great thank you Debbie W. Tonto Park. 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