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Eco-Punks Hacking The Permaculture Design Course TPP208

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In this episode I’m joined by my revered permaculture teacher and issuer of my permaculture design certificate. To protect his identity and allow him appropriate distance from the extreme edginess (permies will laugh) of my current path, he’s taken on a sci fi pseudonym. We discuss the origin story of our epic collaborative brother-from-another-motherhood. We bonded instantly many years ago over our mutual love of nature, science, diy tech, radical activism, the punk politics of resistance, and the unmatched sophistication of subversiveness to be found in the permaculture design movement.

At the time our paths crossed, I had been exposed to permaculture for about 10 years, but only within the year previous to our meeting in the late 2000s had I become seriously engaged in study of the design science. He appeared in my life at the best of all times for me to appreciate his insights and accomplishments. I put my best efforts into earning his respect and approval as a budding permaculturalist. As per the original intent of the founders of permaculture, certified designers are encouraged to develop a mastery of the system in order to embolden them to create their own certification course curriculum with adherence to the fundamental contents and structure of the original permaculture design course. I was blessed to establish a barter relationship with him so that I had an extended mentorship which included and transcended the standard PDC curriculum with more oversight and technical support than would be normally accessible in a traditional 72 hour course. My one-on-one training took place over the course of about a year and a half. He provided guidance through my designs spanning apartment scale gardens, to a warehouse parking lot edible park installation,  to semi-rural farmstead, and various business and community projects in between.

The intent of our discussion in this episode beyond reminiscing on the past, was to establish the integrity of the lineage of my training, and once again seek approve for one of my designs, in this case, the design of my customized permaculture design course curriculum, an adaptation of the way he provided the course for me.

To be expected, I integrate elements of eco and sacred sexuality with tasteful aesthetics and scientific maturity, he provides his feedback and ultimate approval. We share a sense of deep honoring for the irrepressible hacker mindset of the co-founder Bill Mollison. We dare to presume he’d be proud of my attempts to design for the sector of sexual energy, which without a doubt is the most powerful, yet least valued and most poorly managed energy flow pattern in sustainable human settlement design and engineering.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin eligible events Wall, Township on podcast episode number 2089 being joined by Paul Atreides who is the mysterious figure who has played a very important role in my my personal development as a permaculture a designer’s he is the man who I would say provided for me a one-on-one very intensive long-term permaculture training that resulted in me having the confidence in me to issue me the coveted permaculture design certificate which is a 2 to display to the world saying that one has completed the 72-hour minimum course curriculum to be then qualified to operate commercially using the word permaculture according to the guidelines laid out by the the co-founder Bill Mollison many years ago that the late great Bill Mollison and so for those who are not familiar with the term permaculture we’ll get into that a bit but it’s it’s part of how I promote my work as a permaculture designer and Tantra accounts that help people grow spiritually sexually and ecologically and I really feel that I’ve been able to bring a permaculture perspective to a lot of the healing modalities that are out there that sort of what’s often considered woo and new age and energy work and all that you know really bringing a grounded earth science perspective to my work and and all that really comes literally thanks to this man here who for various reasons we’re going to keep his his true identity obscured but we’ll just kind of get into what I what I intend to do is is take this topic of Tanks hacking permaculture to tell both of our stories about how we became radicalized through the punk rock movement and got into college activism and in basically at some point discovered the glory of the permaculture design system and then put our hacker Minds to work to figure out how to count of Avail ourselves of more open source content and actually start to open source permaculture that was its original intention anyway so it was supposed to be resistant to proprietary mechanisms resistant to Academia and but also conducive to people’s right livelihood and conducive to successful businesses and all of that is encoded into the prime directive in the ethics but you know something I’ve come to to know and love and I have grapes with certain aspects of how the movement has evolved then we’re going to talk a bit about our feelings are true feelings about about that stuff too so this is hopefully just going to be a a primer on what what the punk attitude how the punk attitude approaches the permaculture design system and how both of us are working and there are various ways to to really further further the the objectives that that we’ve been working towards for so long using this technology so with all that said call please share what you would like to do about your journey discovering permaculture where you what you’ve accomplished with it within your boundaries of of secrecy about your you know personal details and in time place and manner but maybe some of your accomplishments and and certainly how you’re feeling about the movement today and then we’ll go from there yeah I think you mentioned in any little bit more time and you conversation were now was the creation and Company drive for college activism and full and total Embrace of the Bay Area radical Anarchist activist movement or late night into the early 2000s and there was an awful lot of activities going on that were crime initiate and instigate and inspire people like being in myself to further educate ourselves and look into interesting things about ecology and direct action and art and we can put on different lenses and and look at landscape in different ways and throughout those experiences and Inspirations and I was introduced to the idea permaculture alongside with the writings of philosophical take on natural farming we’re just of enormous impact in my view of the world and my desire to a brave nature and and push a naturalistic approach to rewilding or not necessarily rewilding but even gardening in harmony I’ll take a moment to push this back to YouTube and and and see if anything that I just mentioned kind of jumped out at you and there’s a point that we should send out a little bit more and me and the sky oh yeah I think if we’re going on a certain timeline maybe we could talk about just the from a Terence McKenna perspective there’s this like a Creo time-wave coiling of of of of history repeating where I would say the the anti-globalization movement was a sort of unfortunately not as maybe right maybe it was maybe it wasn’t but it certainly was like the closest thing to a Berkeley 60s movement that had there has been since 9/11 and like we both had that experience of a major boost in that belief that we were part of something timely that we were part of a revolution that we could like almost snap our fingers and topple the entire global system of you know the power elite and that we had you know we had the numbers we had the intelligence and but it also wasn’t sustainable in failed and numerous ways and I’m wondering if I have for you if you want to talk about how the the deeper timelines that permaculture opens up those intergenerational timelines of Earth repair and stewardship you know how that reconciled for you because I fucking burnt out after that yeah that’s that’s really interesting point in the in the 90s to be a more powerful experience than being in Seattle in November 1999 Seattle protest with kind of AA Earth shattering experience if you will or a young eco-activist it was like it was happening it would happen and things were going and you’re absolutely right it’s there seems to be a pressure on on the world bad things were going to change and things were going to be different because it’s people power couple of things to my timeline changed shortly after that I finished calling and the role that I felt I had so much agency in campus activism and so looking for other avenues to exercise the distance our inspiration art, culture whatever you want to call it I was able to hunt down experiences I’m on farm and odd jobs and several International permaculture experiences in putting a PDT in Central America and Pacific in Central America as well my in an ecological framework for you in the latter part of 1000 seconds. Mutual previous experiences with and later drive toward permaculture are an expedition and restoration really drove by a friendship and and collaboration that I know you personally took some major inspiration from and took the opportunity in having a relationship with me through really dive into permaculture stuff and and build York as he did mention time to talk about that yeah I would yet not to reveal anything about you know the the circumstances but it was all of my best efforts to create a sort of lightning rod you know Lighthouse effect of green Consciousness into the punk rock movement like this was still internet was not that sophisticated around the mid-2000s but it was sophisticated enough to wear if I recall you were you would found my old website and where I was doing a lot of you know community outreach doing different projects in the you know I miss SoCal area and and Beyond and just kind of really really trying to find the punks who were not born to die in the gutter like the discharge song in that were actually like figuring out how to reclaim the lost his penis that we that we lost when we when we threw out all the tie dye and you know it’s it landed for some people you know we were able to maintain a certain you know edgy vibin aesthetic but also get you no punks into Gardens and it was you know to me at that time I was you know in my mid-twenties I was trying to create the infrastructure for a healthy ecological Punk hood that I didn’t have when I was a teenager and so it’s always that idea of like living vicariously through through the Next Generation if you can to like kind of fuel yourself from the wounds that you were that you were a mistakes you made it or not so I built this organization and and it was bringing in like lots of of it was really effective at at resonating with people at in finding him so you would come into that. Medium and and that sort of modality tunnel and and at that time I was ya like you said very enthusiastic and charge to two how to get my head wrapped around permaculture and get get to doing it like there’s so many practical modules of experience that you want to have once you start to learn about it and you just want to be like guess I can check that off I have experience doing this and that and that Matt and I kind of cleaned from you when we had started creating a sort of time banking sort of relationship to exchange value and and you were basically my consultant on retainer and I would have your input and an oversight over my very very humble and very microscale to begin with no permaculture designs and you were Supply me with seeds Doc and worms and all of the starter kit stuff as well as the very Advanced and high-level intelligence and and pattern thinking and all of that the more just a more advanced find a Specs on top of the the Practical stuff and the actual cuttings from New Zealand spinach you know it’s like if you haven’t had somebody give you a cutting from New Zealand spinach then basically go home cuz you haven’t even started doing okay you know what it’s like those of those moments where you realize holyshit what what can’t you propagate vegetatively you know now I want to know where I can just go to the local you know Mexican food forest garden in in in like oh and trim things coming out of the defenses and and just stick them in pots and see what sprouts and then end up having grapefruit grape Vines and passion fruits you know choking you to death and all that fun stuff so I mean that’s what comes to mind thinking about how you were able to sort of get me set in motion and in and that was a good I don’t know you’re maybe couple years of pretty much ya me really a greeting from you everything and anything that I could end and I think Dad we’re just we were just figuring out how to kind of hack the LA landscape and the SoCal Landscaping literally hacking off cuttings of things in literally knowing how to spot a legume Tree in a Home Depot parking lot. yeah absolutely it’s a practice in observation of your surroundings and pattern recognition to actually realize what resources you have there I think what you had set up for your website with was very compelling in in several senses as I will keep spinning back to the to the Punk theme but so many aspects of the little punk eco-activist literature in underground DIY magazines from existence do inside products to anything produced by crimefeed or Slug and lettuce there was just such a a vivid body of riding of people doing things other places in the country where if she needs easier to grab Squat and start propagating 606 resor to get something going east coast remember vividly remember reading I think it was where people were you know pack keep moss and Kudzu seeds and and bombing freeway on-ramp and overpass areas just to Rebecca Tate in a create Wildlife Corridor so do you need an inspiring and your connection with the with a puncture unity and what you were trying to create with your organization was an excellent way to connect with something like that and he said I was able to help you out bring you inspiring little super easy things like I need healing spinach cuttings or starter just an interesting thing that can happen when people have inspiration and some passion and even just a little bit of awareness of what they can do to try and get things going yeah man as you say that I’m thinking about all of the places that that tiny little bag of worms propagated to to out so many different people who were who were got that is like at a supply and and they live on to this day and then like they’re the happiest worms that ever lived you know a safe and well taken care of night that’s what’s so beautiful is like you just you get in alignment with I think you know one of your favorite sayings back in the day was and you can probably fill them you know the gap of of where you heard it from but life creates the conditions conducive to more life and that’s kind of like a you know if I see it like a Zen meditation calling you know you can really take that to the fucking bank unit I will jump in real quick and and attribution to that phrase and sentiment and that is teaching from Janine benyus and the organization that is doing absolutely beautiful work to inspire engineers and designers to draw inspiration from nature as well as generate reason to preserve nature and wild men and sacred leave Revere what and it’s all good I think it’s just a distinctly and beautifully captured in an utterance like life created conditions conducive to more life and that’s just totally beautiful you can meditate on that for years and enjoy wear those. And meditation on tell me what was the name of the organization again I got you said Janine Vina Jack Janine Pena venue and they would certainly be easily found with some Google cool alright so with all that said for people who have not discovered much about permaculture I think it would be good idea to episode and I’ll put a link in the show notes in fact I will I will tell I can tell you in just a second which episode it was right now one second it is it is episode number 114 where I did intro to permaculture in ecological design and that was just a a mini-lecture that I gave in a backyard permaculture site that I was working on it was also a budding goddess Temple of swords and and so in that episode you can get more of Amore fully developed introduction to permaculture experience on this podcast but it would be great to just for the sake of this one bring it back to you in your own words as a student like for you to be a student Bill Mollison is like studying Jeep Commando with someone with the you know Dan inosanto and end with Bruce Lee sensitive like a lineage to the source that I appreciate as well and I think you know it’s kind of I don’t know what to say straight but but they’ve adapted the permaculture design course in ways that I think are great it’s appropriate for it to be adapted but there is something to say I guess I should say if you’re up permaculture designer there’s enough Bill Mollison material out there in enough sort of ripped PVC audio and video files out there that that you should know what the source of the original course how that was you know the the structure of how this information was shared by him so I guess I would say it’s if it’s valuable for me to hear you say now especially now years later from your Beginnings in my Beginnings like if you’re asked to introduce this subject to people what’s your elevator pitch for it for permaculture okay I can’t give Justice with an elephant in the elevator pitch is the marriage of the idea that permanent NP sustained through culture so culture does not have to degrade nature Mall smart energy usage can be put toward building resilient Landscapes and cultures that have the ability to become richer and more stable over time that you did it. You nailed it now you can go a feel free for that what I call the stuck in the elevator pitch where you get to just go off and stuff with me so you know Paul Atreides and his words can kill cell would love to have the cloak of anonymity for for certain aspects of things that I could stay right right now Genesis of a permaculture as a marketing started with with Bill Moulton and call Bill Morrison from experiment but really good at marketing and people like you and I with so many brilliant ideas that we couldn’t stop thinking about it it seems so that you know and normally is satisfied disaffected 20 some year old would probably most likely be playing video game chose to read something like a 10 pounds text book about pattern languages and trees and climate and climate tropes and and I don’t know if some other topics from the manual back out there they caught your attention that you spent hours reading on bed yeah for me I see the chapter 14 stuff about the some of the more social I mean obviously I loved all of the ecological stuff but when it got to the the chapter 14 material all about how we can actually hack and re-engineer our social and economic Dynamics to share abundance and to really I mean you know I mean how many how many punk shows did I preach at to the crowd and every half the people were blacked out there was unconscious on consensual basically off all forms of rape all forms of violence all forms of just complete debauchery and just I mean so the and then and then suppose that two is like super hyper leftist socialist organizations that would be a protest and I’m like well they seem like they’ve got people kind of like saluting this ideology and they said somewhat more organized and they get more shit done but then it’s like I got this authoritarian by band and I didn’t see and then you have people like maybe the the hippies and the Rastafarians in Arab super into the Dow of the soil and there’s snow raising their joint to their third eye and they’re super cool looking up at the sky gazing with you know what their eyes closed looking to sign of my I wanted a little bit of all of that I wanted a bit if I discipline my bit of order you know a bit of debauchery and Chaos a bit of Eco spirituality and the social permaculture aspects that the things that got me most thrilled on top of all the ecological stuff which I love and I’m super into the missive of hacking all of these different Gifts of no way they would call ecological Services you know any ecology textbook and improvement course you weren’t just learn to think like MacGyver you know I mean if you like the ATM you like MacGyver and you like to solve problems and build things that were the super elegant but super crafty DIY Contraptions and get all of these amazing functions out of out of this elegant designs like that that really like the practical application turn me on so much but the thing that turn me on the most was definitely this is sense that there is a pathway for word that is is going to steal me from all my cynicism about human about someone called human nature but it’s just like the what felt like an impossible task of like bootstrapping a revolutionary movement everything in chapter 14 and everything about how we can build these these harmonious guilds and treat human human cultural design like a garden and really bring out people’s know what the bare minimum sort of professional development is needed to have like I’ve never seen that really mapped out before like Yeah so basically you you would motivate these different peoples that you have like a bare minimum kind of survival pod you know that you could take this to any environment and the way that it just was this growing mandala that was the most impressive thing to me that that would that all been thawed out and so being able to design the resilient communities in and having Financial awareness and legal awareness 10 but also having him so much of the financial and legal awareness to know about things like protecting your risk Ventures by relinquishing them into a non-profit not just as a tax shelter but to protect yourself from the bad guys and the court like you want to fight corporate rule you have to basically, she put them in the capitalist Marketplace but then protect your intellectual property your land your equipment your seeds that may be competing with Monsanto or whatever and you have to basically use Jedi Mind Tricks against the status quo to protect yourself and just that sophistication of subversive like I’ve never seen anything on that level of sophistication when it comes to being a subversive it’s like this isn’t breaking Windows this isn’t lighting should on fire this isn’t fucking even protesting this is like you says in in grave danger of falling food you know he wasn’t going to say in the forest but almost wasn’t going to just stay in the forest disgusted with Humanity after the 60s he was going to fight back with positivism and not let the bastards roll over everything and he fucking sat there and he absorbed the intelligence of the Fleming also the food for a semi so I always say two things does the aha moment of the food forest and the the Tactical strategic financial and political subversion of chapter 14 if that if that sums it up awesome permaculture MacGyver moment if you will fill I spent some quite a bit of time in the tropics permaculture stuff and some of the forefathers dad got their original training from Bill Mollison in the very very early days who were it’s the Wizards the Elders of Agriculture had an awesome story and and the guy removed and strategies and tactics that are kind of ninja like in and you know it illegal permaculture syncing really affect you and you want to bring it over so you want all of your options you can possibly have with with Steve and Diane wood or fruit growing in and developing diapers food for everything really try till Sunday characters awesome stories about and surrounding trees that they wanted to bring into their country but of course you know there’s and they’re happy to be so many interesting people develop new varieties in Hawaii there were several stories about how the perfect sign wood trimming and fit inside of a snorkel and nobody would ever suspect agricultural Contraband coming through inside of a snorkel case in your graphing techniques it’s very possible to bring in a snorkels worth of the fruit tree that you want to develop and 20 years later you’ve got a genetic stop there that you can share with your community or develop into your own Orchard or maybe it’s going to feel who know if you’ve got amazing MacGyver mentalities doing cool thing with Biology to make their dreams happen and that’s inspiring DIY right for sure for sure and I guess so maybe now we can talk a bit about the the more computer hackers having his stuff like for me you know I was I’m code a little late for the most part I’m good I can cut and paste code you know I can read a little bit but not much and I pretty much rely on the the cyberguy gods above me but I’ve always found ways to I’ve always known crew to ask questions to and who to befriend you know in a symbiotic and not parasitic way hopefully for the most part but I can just go through the chapters of my life knowing like if you’re a revolutionary and you don’t have a geek in your squad like you’re just forget about it you know not not in the modern world like you need to have somebody to help you with that so I’ve always had you know kind of a assassination and and and a love of those who really understood the inner workings of cyberspace more than I did and whatnot in Uno which is kind of like dabble here and there but I’ve used you know I’ve built websites I’ve run and ministered e-commerce and you know I’ve had to just learn whatever I had to learn to do the thing that I wanted to do but I wasn’t like a generalist them in computer science or math anything like that and I certainly a late bloomer to crypto but one of the things that was floating around the internet and are in our era was this thing called the permaculture party pack which was this cycle somebody did the work of compiling this ridiculously absurd compilation of obscure and NM just totally mind-blowing permaculture and otherwise agricultural sustainable teaching tools and and that was just floating around the radical underground for quite a while and probably yeah but I still out there I don’t you know I think that the times have changed a little bit but what I like to talk about is that what you and I are agreed upon at a certain point was that after I had done essentially a number of projects in the number of scales at a number of sites and was starting to I guess get past my get a few you know a few belts an endermite in a few karate belts from the dojo so to speak now and then to go for that black belt of being a certified designer if you want to call it that obvious lyrics degrees beyond that but I wanted to feel like I wanted to have more confidence as a as it as you know at least there a junior-level instructor and I wanted to have more confidence to do workshops in Tofino start to Branch out and and and taking more of a leadership role within you know my community and the larger community and actually build a career doing what I now love to be doing which is all this fun stuff and so we decided that the and I pitched and I’m like well if the if the canonical tagari release of the 72-hour course with Bill Mollison in Geoff Lawton. I believe it Melbourne University I believe somewhere in Australia there was that digitized that what that time it was like I mean it would take however long for people to download that file bit to download that party pack but in that party pack there was that collection of those DVDs which I went ahead later and purchased the legit package of it so that I could feel confident that I had that there was at least one licensed copy in my in my possession so that I wouldn’t be standing upon you know a a a sort of pirated body of knowledge but basically Meep same to you okay look you know I don’t have the money to go off to a permaculture farm and give them two or three grand and take the time off of work to go do that you know I don’t I could I could do the more accessible version of like the local out two weekends a month or one weekend a month thing but also I just don’t have the the capital for it’s still just like a starving artist bunker you know just like not not having that manifest met abundance so so really the hacker mentality and both of us kind of I would say led to this understanding the berries that they’re there is a demand for people who want to take the course and be certified and do this right but there needs to be a more or pants or Sam or at your own pace and more accessible to low-income folks way of approaching is so I took the time myself to watch all of the take notes on and watch all of the course DVD set basically a digitized version of that which was the 72-hour course and then lead the permaculture a designer’s manual cover to cover and have done my design practicum which was all of the projects you had you know supervise me doing over the course of our that long that was a year or more and then we decided that the talent show that out there the requisite of a talent show was Satisfied by you coming to go see my pump down once that was that and then from that point you gave me that seal of approval printing me a certificate and and I I did the research to know and I have citations and quotes of Geoff Lawton saying things to be effective basically in the the spirit of it in the beginnings and you know that I sent you there was like it was basically a Each one teach one kind of approach like if you took the course it would behoove you to master the curriculum enough to be able to go out and teach your own course in the end you know there’s there is some guidance around getting a diploma and nervous but there was lacking infrastructure and then obviously a Changing of the Guard with Moses and passing and and Lawton taking over and now the PRI thing there was a battle the feud between the permaculture Institute in New Mexico and the Permaculture Research Institute and luckily nothing too ugly in terms of like Court battles over you know the trademark or anything but it’s been pretty much the wild west and was kind of like a the industry will sort itself out if your reputable teacher and people like what you do and you know people see that you’re your designs actually work then you will have a sort of natural laissez-faire kind of libertarian approach to who gets to own this title and you know we we took on me I took that and ran with it and I said okay I’m going to do this sort of open-source versioning of a of a PDC and we know we got that Goin and then what that ultimately led to was at the height and peak of my having taken that PVC and run with it is that I made arrangements with the at the time this was Circa 2013 and I was in a location where I had Urban semi-rural small-scale over 10 acres of of a canvas to play with him and I had developed a canvas over the course of about a year and installed the the worm compost in multiple ponds and multiple kitchen Gardens and a food Forest you know a fledgling Food Forest and there was the zone that is so Nation theory of putting multiple concentric circles of different areas of interaction based on how often you going to need to use them. Just in a nutshell I’m going to say that to throw it out there for people that permaculture Zone Theory and basically I I was doing things by the book and I wanted to create a permaculture Training Center where world class instructors could come there and based on the infrastructure that I had installed they would be able to teach their flavor of permaculture and that was tested when we brought the war and brush who is still one of my ultimate favorite permaculture a designer’s because of his spiritual spirituality and his work with indigenous people around the world and and his storytelling and he’s definitely and he did he did the design for Amma the hugging in a so the Tantra he is to me the fucking time should permaculturist par exsalonce cuz he took the design for almost Center and I was there at Quail Springs when he was working on it and you showed me that a time so that I’m not fucking dropping names right now I had him out there chords for weekend and for me that was like the the real ribbon-cutting on the value of the work you had done to train me and to facilitate me and guide me like if he can come out there and he can you know look at this this design on this property and he can teach from it then I know I’m you know I’m on the right path and that that gave me the confidence from that point to reach out to managing director of The Pri USA and invite him over to that site and Pitch to him that he authorized me to have the authority to replicate the PDC format basically that you and I did which is that you know you should have asked you should be able to be you know given access to the the tagari canonical bilmos Geoff Lawton DVD set if we purchase a license for it and we have it available for folks that that should be you know something to do Explorer and and to potentially approval obviously there’s probably more intricate licensing that that could and should be done but at least the concept was there for me to share with him and the idea that a senior permaculture designer could come in and basically a couple times a year take a batch of students who had gone through that DVD course and who had done work on that property you took basically as they’re going to the course they’re actually okay so now you do a course module now you go out to the property where there are Works in progress of the different modules of the different functional parts of the design whether it’s like repairing the chicken factory or extending the moving some material around a building at a thermophilic compost whatever it is is all of those things are are are just in the flow influx happening on the property so you should be able to do the the in the classroom study material and then go out on the land and do the Practical aspect of it build the skills and develop the skill sets and then also have access to the designer’s manual which now if I do it if I do it now I’m going to say we’d have the students read the introduction to permaculture ebook rather than the designer’s manual because I think that’s sufficient to get people going no without having to go through all of that technical minutiae which is a fucking rocket science in the In The Bleak the big black book but that was where it left off and then you know for me all hell broke loose I had a spiritual emergency and I had to let it all just biodegrade everything I had built basically we just brought it in place and things fell apart for me financially and I’m personally but but that that outline for a at your own pace in low-income open source PBC it still exists and now as of this very moment I’m being called to to bring it back to life so that’s why I really wanted to have you on and for us to talk shop about this about the punk rock ethics and the hacker ethics and the the sort of I mean I think I think if I had the opportunity to meet with Bill on the astral plane and he knows that I went on the fucking Joan Rivers show and fucking brat and I brought the permaculture to the Joan Rivers show and she was happy she wanted to be trans apocalyptic she wanted to fucking bring the chickens into the into her backyard and turn her fucking swimming pool into a fish pond that was something that bill Mollison would fucking give me a pat on the back for it I would say so anyway that’s just that’s me sort of giving my my my dissertation defense if you will there anybody out there who is like wanting to show me or love me for this I had to just going to bring it out like that so and now you can tell me you know what you think about my my fucking my evil plans to conquer the world with benevolent egalitarian and access the permaculture it is an idea that has been wanting to happen for as long as as as long as has been teaching class like he said it it does go back to the very beginning every student should become a teacher of the permaculture are in there all right and it should have been affected in their mind enough that they would want to teach people that is freaking awesome don’t you realize you could be building soil there that you realize it could be slowing down water there don’t you realize you could be generated vegetation and any other ideas I meant to be shared and it spread at some people absolutely need to pay for it and pay full price and other people need that access that inspiration for free just like it has he said your your Sweat Equity I wouldn’t call it free your Sweat Equity and and willingness to indulge your self in the information and workout it that was the equity required to get you access to the knowledge to enjoy playing with permaculture and make it fruitful for yourself and your community and it seems like another inflection point where it’s about to become even more purple which is awesome yeah man I’m going to I’m going to try as it is another funny bit here if you’re good to go for another few minutes how are you doing on time and cool alright so I think that this would be a fun sort of you know pecan on the experience to get into not to get too deep into the well this this is more fun than the people who are who are more used to hearing me talk about sexy time stuff on this podcast this is where it is and it is that you know when I was when I mentioned being on the urban Homestead ish Farm property in LA area this was around 2012-2013 my past with sex work with with extreme activism with punk rock like all that stuff was was compartmentalised and shelved away because at that time I was developing with a very astute love partner business partner who who shall remain unnamed for now but if you if you watch the Joan Rivers show you can see us together at at are at the peak of our glorious as a power couple that was manifesting and you know kicking ass and taking names but she cleaned up my act a lot when I met her I was talking about the zombie apocalypse and I was putting out punk rock jeans called survive 2012 and a head fucking like I took Boy Scouts clipart and I put Mohawks and fucking like studs on it very much in that the deep in the crust Punk aesthetic and the profane existence call him was going and it was like we’re getting ready for the zombie apocalypse and permaculture the only fucking way the punks are going to survive you know I wasn’t thinking about marketing to West LA high-end clientele and getting on the Joan Rivers show that was all that the Witchcraft of this dear woman who was a very wealthy woman you had a very amazing career and basically she was suno pruning those aspects of Authority or aspects of my my true character and and I I respected it I was like cool with you know being kind of funeral just having to up my professional game and in change my parents a little bit and then be able to work with her and work together and build a brand and we we built this brand that it’s also going to be sort of it he has had it’s it’s it’s our cue nobody needs it’s going to come back but really it was an opportunity for me to engage with Society at large on a totally different level toy different ear and so we were creating opportunities for very family-friendly brand and marketing and in and what not and so you know we put together a portfolio of our projects and what we have been doing on the property together and what our brand was trying to do and I had like a I even had a suit Panico superhero mascot that I was doing and very much working at the the G-rated and mainstream kind of level of approaching people and business development of What Not and so it one of the the things that we did since she who is so well-connected is if there is a very one of the most famous actors of all time was a friend of hers was one of his his top assistant was a close friend of hers and the friend of of the property and what not and and we thought she was like we need to pitch all the stuff we’re doing to have a reality TV show we want to do a reality TV show of how we’re doing permaculture and survival and you know it can be something that’s like very very mainstream friendly and what not and so I put together a bunch of stuff for a little packet oral presentation and we showed the guy we’re doing this and we’re doing that and we’re doing this and that and this and that and he looks at anyssa psych not he’s scratching his head and it’s like kind of frustrated and kind of distraught and he basically just says I’m sorry guys I hate being a basic hate to be cynical but people aren’t going to be interested in this like it’s too it’s too G-rated you need basically you need to make you said you need to make permaculture sexy and he meant that as more of like if you want to compete with people’s eyeballs for attention like it’s going to have to be edgier than than than what you’re doing and how you’re not going to maybe you know your mascot could become the next SpongeBob or something but most likely you know you need to just like except how cynical about this reality is and and think about you know you would have to be asking you would have to be if you want to reality TV show it has to all be about sexual politics and drama amongst adults or teens and that’s the only way anything’s going to sell it so just you know either do that or do you not think I’m sad and disappointing and it was kind of a cliffhanger but as I as you know from that point if you were to cut the movie script right there is cut the scene there of him planting that seed and then I go through my Dark Night of the soul and everything kind of dissolves in Melts the way and I go through this hero’s journey into the Shadow and come out as a sex worker and has like a sexual wounded sexual healer and I become a tantric Shaman and all this fancy-schmancy you know stuff and start getting back into doing porn and and it’s like but I never stopped being a fucking as a permaculture designer and I never stopped seeing opportunity to transmute and transform waste into resources and valuing the fucking marginal so I’m like I look at making permaculture sexy and I said thinking about you know I’m doing all these Landscaping gigs in Beverly Hills and west side and stuff it’s like I wonder who has the Landscaping contract for the Playboy Mansion because give me the damn shame that I can just imagine all these bunnies with no no carrots to eat out of their own permaculture Garden like somebody needs to sell that now that is what if I pitch that to that guy now hey we’re going to make permaculture sexy let us do a permaculture Makeover at the Playboy mansion and we can take pictures of the bunnies eating carrots and they grew themselves you know that that’s where I started to bring the the perfect culture you know aspect back together and Bill Mollison is definitely a lecherous bastard and in and there’s plenty of evidence of that so he would not take offense to what I’m saying now but put the that’s kind of that was a joke of this coming full circle but another aspect is just that if I take making permaculture sexy as if prime directive and I look at okay you know I can only be my sexual Capital also we talked about the different forms of capital that’s not on the list and sexuality as a as a vector as a as a sector these are permaculture jargon for understanding flows of energy sexuality Flows In and Out of a site and such a deep fundamental way but it gets neglected overlooking design and not a lot of people are designing for let’s say different relationship structures or or designing for maybe the tagari farm I believe it’s in porch Spain or Portugal like they’re actually doing permaculture with with the sexuality a sexually intelligent design aspect and so it’s just really an itch that far behind the curve as far as everything else in permaculture so it didn’t make sense for me to take up that cause and to start talking about sexuality permaculture designing sites and systems that account for these flows of energy and so where where I’m knowing that there are limitations to my sexual Capital potential the knowing that when I discovered and getting back into the adult industry at cycle wait a minute these models and these porn actresses they actually charge very little money to do all kinds of different shoots like they are used to standing in front of holding cigarettes and booze and standing in front of sports cars and literally you know if you’re a model who were who is like a top-ranking model on modelmayhem.com or you’re the which is the most famous fanciest pornstar in the world your your day rate and your half-day rate in your hour rate it’s actually not that much for anybody who who wanted to like me make permaculture sexy to start to hire these people and start to actually put them in the landscape put them into permaculture designs and have them start to teach and have them start to demonstrate and let them become the teachers of permaculture that would fulfill that directive to make permaculture sexy so fast forward from that planting the seed of that directive to me doing my best to integrate permaculture with my work and my offerings but knowing the limitation I have maybe even a greater leap of faith and and risk and and risque if you will to be like okay well you don’t want to listen to Jeff lot and talk about permaculture you don’t want to listen to Paul Wheaton talk about permaculture you don’t listen to Jack spearco talk about permaculture how about the Playboy that are the play girl of the month you know I mean talk about permaculture then we’re cooking with grease and not is my you know hack that’s my function and and it’s starting to move and now I will be certifying some of these models and pornstars excetera excetera giving them the course that I had through you and modifying adapting it to their lifestyle and their schedule and beer you know availability and their interests and pretty soon I would dare say it’s going to cost very little money to have huge cultural leverage with their millions of followers and their millions of likes and just all of that capital of that Social Capital social media Capital merging that with the sexual capital and putting it into a holistic permaculture design where there’s a potential for the mean the games and the contest and like when I see what these models and and pornstars do on their social media to like riled up in and get their fans to participate in some contest to see them wearing some new outfit or whatever the fuck it is like you know when you put it very well in this conversation about the way that you’re mine shifts where you see opportunity for ecological from for helping life be conducive to more life you see those opportunities everywhere and it’s like there’s a limit to what people like you and me who aren’t multi-million follower Instagram models or whatever there’s a limit to how much we can transmit that but if they start to incentivize their fan base and they say yeah you want to have a date with me well you got to plant a tree to do that and if you plant a tree and you can prove it with the a video of you doing it then maybe you get you entered the raffle to have a nice date was Peter sup expect they do the most ridiculous shit and people are like men they’re abused frustrated sexual needs are being just totally manipulated by the door the whole capitalist wasteful system and if only it could be more elegantly finessed so that there was an alignment of ecological values and sexual gratification sexual fulfillment and the titillation of tits and ass you know we could really be where Jeff on says we used to be which is the most beneficial element in the system that humans can be that and I think it just takes putting that fucking carry it in front of you know the right energy and getting getting that frustrated Sexual Energy to actually serve serve Gaia and who better than Ben Ben some of these models which I determine undiscovered are actually quite quite an expensive to hire and I’m asking to do things far less intrusive and far less the grading than what they’re getting acid Dubai every other person who’s Contracting with them so that’s that’s my bite bite the next chunk of a thesis that I have found out there on the design charrette table setup for YouTube channel there you have it man that’s that’s the monster that you created in and I think Bill would be fucking having a shity than Grande right now if you could know about it he would absolutely absolutely love it I am sure that well good job then I love where you were at life and Imagination that has taken you and I look forward to what you able to produce and where they do in the future I thank you for that I think just the ad just as simply put if you think we both know anybody who you got to meet him personally but anybody who is Coosa been able to stand and stomach more than five minutes of his form of humor you know you would get it yeah he would think that this was a great hack and I do it to you know in that Spirit of honoring the lineages of teachers and the you know it’s not going to be everybody’s cup of tea but you know I wanted to have that that that thought process kind of vetted you know and have you sound soundboard on that and that’s pretty much my yeah that’s it’s a huge gift from you to me to to allow me to elaborate to that degree and to bear with me on that and now two were not me we’re not going to we’re not promoting anything particularly of yours we’re not funneling people to your websites or to your your Works per se but while you have a supper 290 which anytime you’re welcome back of course and we’ll probably check in on things in the future but this kind of is like we’re like time-stamping the blockchain Innocence by having this conversation we’re we’re establishing the the the spirit of resistance in this bizarre and unique format of of you and me talking about this stuff right now and so like with this opportunity that you have to speak from your heart and soul and everything you’ve learned in all the places you’ve arrived at I would love for you to just take over on however much time you’re comfortable with and like advise me on what you’ve learned and where you’re at and you know we talked about maybe busting some myths or at least talking putting some critique on on a permaculture movement if if you like but I just want to say my I rest my case for sexual pervert culture and fucking punk stacking permaculture and now you have what is snow humble audience to speak to but it will be growing over time and when we when we publish this episode there will be you know hopefully copies of it preserves you know for time immemorial and it will be something that people can look back on so it’s it it may age with Grace and it may it may continue to bear fruit so so feel free with that said to you know bestow whatever wisdom you’d like and doesn’t have to have any new no correlation to what I said that was just me putting in my my little timestamp yeah I I’m not sure that I would have so much more to say about the my recent learning so I would maybe just invite people to take those moments to appreciate life and dive into some methadone and and enjoy it and and dig on some of the philosophy and maybe even get into the weeds and read up on some FH King farmers of forty centuries and just think about where we’re at now and where we cooking in 10,000 years as Humanity probably not doing as bad as you think we’re doing I would say we’re probably doing a hell of a lot better than your mind thinks we’re doing and those are the kind of thoughts that I guess I’m working with at the moment so yeah if you if you don’t mind I’ll try to teach him we’re out of there we talked about futurism before and talked about you know that the long now and Kurzweil and that reconciling of amor primitivist perspective with the Amor techno Optimist perspective so you know now that you kind of yeah, you kind of shared a couple of resources do you want to just like if you were to put together your own party pack let’s say of the things that Arthur’s resource is not to say that we’re going to do that or you know take that on but but I would be curious to know if you would want to elaborate on just lists of influences that you had you know people and anything that you would consider to be a valuable resource like that go ahead and add some more to that list and then I think we’ll call the show if we’re if we’re happy with that where I would throw some ideas is Imagine The Long now I would say Stewart brand book and any kokrak minted whole earth discipline is a great place to start and that’s that’s got a lot of ecological heresy that he presents if he will end the end that can change your mind on a few thing and if you’re looking to change your minds on you know being super down about the world’s going to hell in a handbasket and and you’ve been deeply involved in send Derek Jensen work or something like that I would definitely say grab a list of books by Steven Pinker the better angels of our nature Matt Ridley the rational Optimist Peter diamandis abundance and I I guess like you said Ray Kurzweil The Singularity is near and think about radical demonetizing EFM realizing technology can help perpetuate ecological regeneration and human flourishing because not opposed you know that the system to develop technology is certainly not purposefully and willingly opposed to regenerating the system in fact I think trying to Mary conservation with technological Advance is providing a very bright halfway towards the future and with that in mind never disregard the sacred and always take a moment to reflect back ten thousand or more years rely on wisdom to guide you I guess that’s about that’s about all I have on those ramble that’s beautiful man I just reminds me of the one thing one thing I’ll close with your which is believed this was in that Mollison Lawton PC where he says basically what you do in your permaculture design should have worked where you are a thousand years ago and it should work where you are a thousand years from now and that is like the that’s another thing to meditate on you know yes absolutely and it goes with that it’s like can you be high-tech as you want and be compliant with nature the same time you know yeah right on Manuel crazy insane bulletin things that you like super counterintuitive in and could totally like this this is an awesome one so I would assume eco-warriors would think that petroleum products are all super negative there are some really interesting very underground moles and project in the Middle East where he actually use petroleum product to erosion and reverse the desertification and I think that if it’s worth not not condemning every tool just because of where it came from their options to use just about every tool for potential regenerative benefit. Will pay huge dividends in the 1000 to 10000 your time scale is very tantric in a sense that Township pushes you to towards the taboo and the transgressions that help you realize non-duality and integration and break your phobias and and understand you know every tool in the toolbox with with the ethics of right action ultimately it with the bigger picture in mind so that’s another another guy want anything else before we wrap I think that’s good cool man all right well that. Comes full circle we I think we crushed it we’re talking about Punk punks hacking critical and we did a massive thank you so much this is been a huge honor and you know the respect that any martial artist would have for their Sensei or any Yogi would have for the guru I have that for you and I absolutely wish you the best and I live to make you proud and hopefully you know if tall is the the business logic pants out well then there will be yields yields upon year olds to to share and to feed back into more fun and more teaching and just confusing being conducive to more life men awesome awesome all right that we have a great evening and we’ll be in touch please go to www.crunch.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple up here by Tycho logical employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 18275 1593 or emo band at Tantra Punk. 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The Survival Wombyn Project Green Paper TPP173

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In this episode I read the “Green Paper” for the Survival Wombyn Eco (role)Modeling Project. I then elaborate on the backstory and road map of the project.

Please visit the website at:
https://survivalwombyn.com/

Here is the white paper:

When I was a boy, I was enchanted by the female form, the majestic whole woman. When my older male friends started to show me adult hardcore magazines I was offended and confused by their crude objectification of the models. They were more interested in the close-up action than the beauty of the emotional expressions. There was no natural and healthy context in those photographs and it hurt my eyes and heart.

Much later in life I discovered through tantra yoga and psychedelic shamanic healing ceremonies that I was abused as a child. No wonder I didn’t vibe with the predator energy of the older boys. I always yearned for medicinal love and intimacy, and the peace and serenity of wild nature.

I built a career as a sustainable edible landscape designer and as my personal healing journey has progressed, I have discovered my spiritual purpose as a wounded healer: to compost the patriarchy and help put five thousand years of male dominance over women, children, animals, and nature to rest.

The Survival Wombyn project is one of my collaborative attempts to restore whole natural beauty to human sensuality. I endeavor to depict models in an innocent, wholesome, playful, yet purposeful manner that transcends the shackles of abusive fetishes and commercialized exploitation.

In addition to re-positioning the home of eros back into nature, I feel compelled to empower women as role-models so they can demonstrate ecological values, knowledge, and skills.

Rather than simply depict women enraptured in the sensuousness of natural settings, my goal is to feature their integration into nature through yoga, gardening, natural building, appropriate and sustainable technology, primitive skills, herbalism, shamanism, witchcraft, self defense training, and more.

Most of my close female friends are diverse, beautiful Eco-Warrior Goddesses who can train mainstream models in these empowering and liberating arts. I believe conscious alt models can and will revolutionize and enlighten the dominant modeling industry paradigm. While much of the status quo industry defaults to a low form of black magic, titillating the vacuous male gaze and exploiting women’s beauty to sell products that harm the environment, we can do better with conscious, intentional, consensual green magic!

When I am reborn, I want it to be in a future world where the intoxicating power of female beauty is intelligently used to keep men in a permanent state of graceful worship and service. Peace, prosperity, equality, and harmony can be restored when men lay down their axes and swords, and live in loving devotion to the divine, earthly, and human feminine essence.

In practical terms, the Survival Wombyn (Role)Modeling Project will be evolve along the following path:

Phase 1: Self-fund the development of the desktop/mobile website application infrastructure to facilitate Ethereum smart contract based crypto-currency tipping for models who submit and license audio/video/still photographs.

Phase 2: With 5% of each cryptocurrency  tip amount held for use to fund ongoing development of the platform, top budget priorities include: staff payment,  an online merchandise store, production equipment purchases, travel expense allocations, print publications, course-ware implementations, and more.

Phase 3: When significant brand recognition is achieved and cashflow is available, various  reality show series concepts will be explored.

Phase 4: When funds allow, further website/mobile app infrastructure will be built out to facilitate more formal cryptocurrency crowdsourced funding for projects proposed by models, to be voted on and prioritized through a blockchain based decentralized autonomous organization voting mechanism.

Phase 5: With abundant financial resources and potential social impact venture capital, the ultimate goal is for on-the-ground ecological educational facilities to be built around the world that would serve as sustainable refugee camps for women and children fleeing from oppression and abuse of all kinds be it financial, familial, governmental, or religious.

To end on a personal note, it will be a dream come true to re-incarnate in the next life through an un-raped, unmolested womb, and to be raised in a rape-free zone established by the very Survival Wombyn models that my efforts directly empowered.

In Devotion to the Divine Feminine, in partnership with the Divine Masculine;

Sincerely,
-Ben Lawson (Co-Founder)

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 173 I’m going to do a solo episode to introduce the soft launch of my new project which I’ve been actually working on for a couple years now and it’s finally really coming to fruition in what you would call a in a beta testing mode where it is live and accessible online however I’m not doing major promotion until there are some rounds of bug fixes and Bug bounties and even hopefully some penetration testing which is kind of next level security measures to be sure that there is few of vulnerable points of attack is possible which is an ongoing struggle and going to get into it first off read the what I’m calling the green paper which is the spin off of what’s happening in the ramp it cryptocurrency space and blockchain startup space which is that every project has the sort of it’s almost a caricature often of a real scientific industry type of white paper or something to it to look up but it’s interesting the original Bitcoin whitepaper is that sort of from synopsis of the technical the problem that that the that the Endeavour 6 to solve like outline that problem outlining that problem and then elaborating on the solution that you’re proposing based on your research and development and it’s sort of usually not necessarily pandering to investors but certainly hoping to get people on board and people to study it and an in a peer-reviewed context which is not the level I’m at Bentley academic world you know if your industry Academia and you’re putting out white papers there’s usually a high standard of screwed in the end so anyway if I’m attempting to tongue and cheek make a spin-off of that Meme of making a really mostly half-assed white papers and Industry and just put in a little bit of my ecological Consciousness here and I call it a green paper because I’m trying to be green with what I’m doing here so I will go ahead and read that to give the background and then give some updates on really what’s happening with the website and the project so here goes when I was a boy I was enchanted by the female form the Majestic whole woman when my older male friend started to show me adult hardcore magazines I was offended in refuse by their crude objectification of the models they were more interested in the close-up action than a beauty of the emotional Expressions there was no natural and healthy context in those photographs and it hurt my eyes and heart much later in my life I discovered through Tantra yoga and psychedelic shamanic healing ceremonies that I was abused as a child no wonder I didn’t Vibe with The Predator energy of the older boys I always urine for medicinal love and intimacy and the peace and serenity of wild nature I built a career as a sustainable edible Landscape designer and as my personal healing Journey has progressed I have discovered my spiritual purpose as a wounded healer to compost the patriarchy and help put 5,000 years of male dominance over women children animals and nature to rest the survival woman project spelled w o b y n as in womb is one of my collaborative attempts to restore whole natural beauty to human sensuality I Endeavor to depict models and innocent wholesome play full yet purposeful manner that transcends the shackles of abusive fetishes and commercialized exploitation in addition to repositioning the home of Heroes back into nature I feel compelled to empower women as Role Models so they can demonstrate ecological values Knowledge and Skills rather than simply depict women and Rapture in the sensuousness of natural settings my goal is to feature their integration into nature through yoga gardening natural building appropriate and sustainable technology primitive skills herbalism Shamanism witchcraft self-defense training and more most of my clothes female friends are diverse beautiful eco-warrior goddesses who can train mainstream models in these empowering and liberating Arts I believe Concha salt models can and will revolutionize and Enlighten the dominant modeling industry Paradigm while much of his escrow industry defaults to a low form of black magic titillating the vacuous male gaze and exploiting woman’s Beauty to sell products that harm the environment we can do better with conscious intentional consensual green magic when I am reborn I wanted to be in a future world where the intoxicating power of female beauty is intelligent Lee use to keep men in a permanent state of graceful worship and service peace prosperity equality and Harmony can be restored when men lay down their axes and swords and live in loving Devotion to the Divine Earthly and human feminine Essence in Practical terms the survival woman role modeling project will evolve along the following path so fun the development of the desktop / mobile website application infrastructure to facilitate ethereum smart contract based cryptocurrency tipping for models to submit and license audio video and still photographs Phase 2 with 5% of each cryptocurrency tip amount held for used to fund ongoing development of the platform top budget priorities include staff payment online merchandise store production equipment purchases travel expense allocations print Publications courseware implementations and more phase 3 when significant brand recognition is achieved and cash flow is available various reality show series Concepts will be explored face for when funds allow further website / mobile app infrastructure will be billed out to facilitate more formal cryptocurrency crowd-source funding for projects proposed by models to be voted on and prioritize through a blockchain based decentralized autonomous organization voting mechanism Phase 5 with abundant financial resources and potential social impact venture-capital the ultimate goal is for on the ground ecological education facilities to be built around the world that would serve as sustainable refugee camps for women and children fleeing from oppression and abuse of all kinds be at Financial familial governmental or religious to end on a personal note it will be a dream come true to reincarnate in the next life through a nun raped and molested womb and to be raised in a rape free zone established by the very survival women models that my efforts directly empowered and Devotion to the divine feminine in partnership with a Divine masculine sincerely been lost in co-founder okay so if you haven’t read a lot of white papers in the cryptocurrency blockchain space some of this might be a little bit futuristik and jargonistic but I’ll break down probably the most the most technical aspect of understanding is so to recap in some layman’s terms let’s say the goal is that because there is this new paradigm of crowd Source funding with very little regulation very little obstruction by Banks and governments the ability for a capital liquid digital Capital to flow instantaneously throughout the world to anyone anywhere who has not even an internet connection necessarily but a way to access the blockchain a way to set up a cryptocurrency digital wallet so I can receive funds that that opens up a whole new a whole new paradigm of possibilities for supporting causes and issues and people that you care about and there’s also a model that I was exposed to a while back or not too hot not too long ago was Jesus idea of community supported activist where individuals who is working under a non-profit umbrella can establish themselves as a one-person Army that people can have tax-deductible donations to fun I’m not going to go the route of the nonprofit set up I’ve done that in the past and I do not like the level of control oversight and potential manipulation that that you’re you’re in that situation with with government institutions so I’m I’m banking on and I’m witnessing the the beauty of people who are so already abundant with cryptocurrency reserves from early investments in Technologies like aetherium and Bitcoin excetera at this new class this new 1% of crypto Millionaires and billionaires in hundred thousand years in 10,000 they’re very generous in most cases with how they spread this wealth around most mostly because they’re deep interest in seeing the the the technology flourish and further to be Mass adoption so there’s an incentive there’s a number of very aligned very I would say wholesome incentives to share the wealth in a way that is a very very novel and so now if you the people that have a concentration of wealth in these forms of cryptocurrencies with the stuff that some of them are doing to make the world a better place whether it’s through charitable donations on the books of nonprofits or just straight across the web. Appear empowering people to do what they do with no paperwork and no it’s just Anarchy crypto Anarchy at its finest and total consenting adult Financial interaction what’s so interesting about what’s happening now in the regulatory climate is that simultaneously the The Regulators are there’s enough pressure there’s enough wealth and pressure and in soon to be lobbying power in the capitals of the nation to really get the technology to be protected and facilitated by local state and National levels of government and the to be expected clamping down on some of the Shady practices within the industry and within the technology movement that’s the way that I am designing this and the way that I’m studying the sort of trajectory of this technology is going to be to to be in the right side of the law and to be in good standing with regulators and luckily and I’m going going with the the platform that has really broken through the most vulnerable stage of being regulated and it’s gotten itself so established in so many places that it’s really here to stay and that’s I do feel of all the cryptos that I have been studying in investing in I feel that my heart is most aligned with this the spirit of aetherium that the way that it came about and what the Brain Trust is in it so that could change in the future but for now I’m very confident and very foolish as they say in the trading World about this technology but bring it back down to the greater Mission the technical aspects of facilitating the flow of capital and is tipping economy that’s actually not not really that advanced I’m using this technology in a very simple manner I hired some developers to help me create a smart smart contract template that would allow a tip percentage to be it’s of it from every every tip that goes through to a model on the website to help them find their life goals and their life mission that they share in their introduction videos and if they have in their bio and that they’re presenting and there’s they’re they’re doing essentially an ongoing Kickstarter ongoing crowd-source funding campaign and then there will be eventually the back-end infrastructure on the website so that a model starts out just receiving random General tips from whoever thinks they’re cool and likes what they’re doing and then as money starts to flow as the ER the crypto starts to flow through the system and the treasury is built up the 5% that is being withheld then there will be more development to happen that will facilitate building out of a incremental Milestone based sort of drip irrigation system of capital to the women who are doing Jake’s on the ground and who can verify that they got through one phase so one round of funding that was issued to them if that if that goal is met and there is evidence to prove that it was you know that the money was accounted for that the crypto is accounted for and put into the project then that would unlock for them to potential to make a request from the treasury to do more projects in this was essentially this is a synthesis of learning about for me what the history of aetherium smart contracts decentralized autonomous organization and things like multi signature contracts there’s all of this technology now exists to facilitate stuff that I was dreaming about way back in 2020 or 2009 in 2009 I was anticipating a movement of accelerated survivalism and preparedness around 2012 and that sort of waveform of a meme a meme wave of people just like Y2K which I I did live through and Bone up on my survival thinking a bit for that not as much as for 2012 but because I had lived through that and I remembered it and I’ve started it since there really is like a an important opportunity to mobilize around these pseudo Apocalyptica prophecies and events and whatnot so the way back in 2009 I was I was working with Drupal which was the predecessor really too well it’s a Content management system somewhat like WordPress but far more extensible and far more elaborate and it’s not as user-friendly it’s kind of I believe it was well it was very I mean it’s it’s countless websites are running it in our government institutions businesses schools bloggers and I hate it if it still takes a lot of different functionality but I had been really a power user as a web admin of Drupal and I knew even back then that with the Web 2.0 technology it would be very easy to facilitate a sort of a fund a foundation of fun where you could make you could disperse allocations of of that fund to people who or projects throughout the world who would write a proposal just like Kickstarter or Indiegogo but then have the community the community of members and users of the platform actually vote on how much do the big basically a budget can be your entire social network platform can become very easily a way to involve all of the the members of the community to to vote on these kind of phone initiatives and therefore to decentralize at least the the the the decision-making power of an organization across of wide spectrum of people a diverse range of people back then I was still in the parent in the centralized server Paradigm of okay I will run my website I will I will have the platform and I will be managing it I will be this the single point of failure but at that time before aetherium before Bitcoin before peer-to-peer decentralized technologies that are are taking off now with blockchain and the sword of truth machine immutability as a service Paradigm that Andreas Antonopoulos talks about at length I’d only just imagine that yeah I could run a website and members people could join the website and the the capital that is generated by whatever means donations of the time I was running a nonprofit so it could have been just charitable donations to this Foundation fund and Grant fund and then it would be a beautiful website where you see people doing what I was interested in this like really accelerating permaculture homesteading in anticipation of a potential catastrophic shift around 2012 which I think we met I think we’re in the did the frog in boiling water right now and I think the state of the world now several years later is actually in some ways some ways not as bad in some ways worse but certainly undeniably we are in a time of catastrophic shift and the day the days of business as usual and world as we know it or are certainly are certainly dwindling and I don’t necessarily believe it’s going to be all out into the world apocalypse Mad Max overnight but the really the ecological refugees that’s probably the biggest single factor I don’t want to digress too much but I will say that I’m though I’m no more confident about the infrastructure of modern industrial civilization 2 to save us or to prevent the catastrophe of nuclear meltdown and ocean poisoning and the melting of every this all of these indicators they’re not they’re not getting much better and the the pressure that is on me as a prepper and survivalist by training from the fire department from years of being a devotee of the survival Podcast and years of being in the permaculture industry in LA and taking the stuff off seriously and I I don’t do everything that I would like to do but I certainly do a lot and I certainly would love to see a culture of preparedness that is sensible and reasonable and not dependent on catastrophic prophecies to get in gear so I would love to see Capital flowing to people around the world collectives of people egalitarians collectives of people who are operating according to principles of motto of what I would call you a logical anarchism where we’re moving towards a more Paleolithic model of eventually being in a bunch of nature that we repair roof repairing ecosystems to a level that we can actually once again in smaller groups forage within them Andre wild so you can call Annika primitivism you can call it green anarchism you could call it luddism you can call it deep ecology Primal Anarchy I think they probably the safest word to use is rewilding which can be done anytime anywhere and it’s a state of mind and it doesn’t require a mass die-off and has no malthusian misanthrope misanthropic agenda that people confuse with primitivist and it’s really simply putting down to earth putting all this into simple Focus we I would love to see for a small bio Regional communities working on permaculture homesteading Eco Village Building & Design and ultimately rewilding and there’s enough wealth and capital amongst the super rich and now the crypto super-rich to wear some of these fantasies and dreams that I had of empowering people through technology through the web through creating profiles are people can write proposals and stay here chart my progress on my project I want to build a composting system I want to do a gray water system a rainwater system look at how many people were feeding in our village look at how many people were feeding on her urban city block and just continually focus on dancing people who are moving in that in that in those directions with those principles of anti-authoritarianism and ecological integrity and really stepping away from the hyper technological world but using aspects of it and elements of it to bootstrap Amore classical Paradigm so one thing I am extremely hopeful about in this uncertain time is the power of cryptocurrency and blockchain to actually really effectively facilitate a massive transfer of wealth and power so resuming into this green paper in these phases to flesh this out a little bit the the ultimate goal here would for there to be literally ultimately a platform that is totally decentralized where I am not a single point of failure I’m not just facilitating the website and I’m not a money transmitter business because I’m not holding on to you are being responsible for the fruit actually managing a treasury with all the liability and all of the risk associated with being running an organization the possibility for Insider theft for embezzlement for fraud in fact the umbrella organization that my first nonprofit the guy in MIND Institute was operating under was completely implode in under a massive massive Scandal where they had I don’t know how many how many projects operating under them and they embezzled all of that project money and so it was the most I could not I mean that was when I was done with the nonprofit sector when that happen obviously luckily we only lost a couple hundred bucks but there were a number of projects that were operating under this umbrella a nonprofit that went went afoul and took everybody’s money and leave there were hundreds and hundreds of thousands of it was not a secret it was you know very well covered in the media and they had to go after the guy so it’s like that honey pot of centralization where it’s just it’s too tempting and it puts people I’m not tempted by that I say that now but literally this is the idea this is the beauty of cryptocurrency is that you can program monetary system so that UD risk yourself and you take yourself literally out of the equation and you take Banks and third-party services that don’t need to mention but that are also points of failure everybody is getting hacked the the nobody is safe from hacking the hackers have way more time on their hands and in some cases with their nation state actors with a call advanced persistent threats they are being paid very high wages to work full time to do nothing but attack us while we sleep at our weakest points and we have no clue as Ended as in users and consumers we are totally clueless for the most part putting all of our trust and faith in third parties and fourth parties and V parties and on top of the line and so without a disk corner without giving a discourse on public key cryptography and how that works at in the financial technology world now with with the Good Sense Bitcoin was developed you know the simple way to look at this is that I can now complete my vision that began 10 years ago and it over 10 years ago in anticipation of 2012 are about 10 years ago and to eventually move this platform into a space of decentralization where nobody no one has no single individual human point of failure has the ability to steal money to transfer the funds to allocate the funds that everything is governed by a selective mechanism that is code is Law and that math algorithms that we had no one trust based on the battle testing that Bitcoin has done in the battle testing of aetherium is doing and we can be reasonably reasonably certain that with a very very astute coating and he’s smart contracts we can set up systems that cannot be in fruit and for all intents and purposes they can’t be compromised by a single point of failure it would take more money effort energy resources excetera to try to extract the money from a well-designed smart contracts system then it would be to just play by the rules so that’s the game theory that is part of the game 3 but to ya tu tu I’m really thrilled about this and to continue with kind of flushing this out what I’m we’re at where this is at now which is where a lot of project start is it is a point of single for a single point of failure I am running a a centralized website on a third-party shared server I am at the the highest concentrated point of risk right now as far as being a single point of failure so is the goal is to have as money flows through the system in a treasury is built up then I can begin really hardening the platform until a transitions to that really sweet spot of being virtually unhackable and existing completely in the decentralized third webs in the new web 3.0 space where in order for funds to be moved if I may never I’m a completely walk away from it and it may be a multi signature contract we’re in order for funds in the treasury to be allocated to a project that there has to be multiple multiple parties who synchronize on signing the signing the transactions so that with one person is kidnapped if one person disappears if one person goes Rogue they cannot single-handedly be compelled to or from their own volition harm the project or take the money and if this is funny cuz I have not thought about this actually at all I was in an hour living in the age of Grand Theft crypto and what I hadn’t thought about until just now that when I was running the guy MIND Institute and we were working with we were starting to work with really serious heavy hardcore investors and money we were getting grants we were started when we were small potatoes were a little Art Gallery in Long Beach doing gardening with at-risk youth and you know we got just just so much magic and fun and good times and love from the community and hanging out with troubled youth parents and having them for the first time see their kids doing something constructive it was a real magical really amazing time and I got to see you know how the inner workings of the non-profit world work and some of the the Shady or dark side of it to and how some of the some of the people involved in the different organizations it can really be easy for people Shady people to to Really abuse the nonprofit system it’s it’s it has that’s why it has a lot of oversight but you know anyway that’s the point is it’s remembering now how I umbrella organization that that we had our project operating as a non-profit under so that we could receive charitable donations and gives and we could go and we could pick up resources like on we could post on Craigslist and say hey we’re a nonprofit if you want to write off this is what we need we had wish list people would come by and just randomly drop off all kinds of cool stuff to our location and if this technology existed back then if blockchain-based cancel technology that would Monitor and in control and limit access to who was able to sign for payments sign checks you know those those all of that embezzlement that happened that that destroyed my in a way it did destroy my project at but it mostly destroyed a lot of other projects that really had a lot of more money that was taken and it just crippled them so that all of that can be solved and prevented by this new blockchain technology so this is kind of going off now about how thrilled I am that now the technology has evolved to a point where my original vision is even more bulletproof more scalable more fundable than ever and the financiers and the backers now they exist and it’s no longer pandering to to government to the government or pandering to environmental established foundations and funds this is really about proposing to the crypto Rich the crypto Millionaires and billionaires who are most lot of the mostly crypto anarchists and Libertarians and say hey look this is the beautiful project that these people are doing is humble project let’s hook them up and and where I’m at now with the survival women project is also a synthesis of my study of the spankchain technology crypto economic platform for starting with webcamming but Altima it’s going to be a white label meaning their technology will be licensable to other brands and platforms that want to use their back end crypto economic resources and tools to be able to facilitate micropayments and streaming money so right now it’s it’s it a website that I current adult performer on and I do Tantra training and I do music and singing and dancing and all kinds of sexy stuff on there and that was like the first use case for them to get the project off the ground but what it’s all about what they’re in point are there in game is to be able to facilitate transmitting that technology that the backend platform to other people so say you wanted to do Bassmasters 2.0 and have a all fishing video streaming platform for people to get tips and cryptocurrency for their fishing fishing Expeditions well you may not want to do that jane.com because you be in association with the naughtiness that you may not may not drive with your your clientele but if spankchain is able to provide the tools to replicate there an EMT license basically they’re back in or an iteration of it then you could have your own version of that so ultimately this platform NY mentioned in the FaZe is going into a reality series concept it’s like might one of my favorite TV Productions was the colony series from I believe it is Discovery Channel on this was back in I think about 2010 they have the social experiment where they put groups is a group of people in in a sort of post apocalyptic scenario where they had to figure out how to survive and get along and work things out together and and I just love that and I will I will I live that that’s me it’s like how I have designed my life to be trans apocalyptic and I would love to continue that kind of that good biscuit build on that and so this platform survival women we love actually be a place where cryptocurrency economics are flowing and people who are basically watching the live streams of communities really going back to Nature going back to the land and working out and solving their problems and no hype no no fancy editing of putting together bogus storylines for reality TV shows no staging you know that I deal with B that this is real people and it’s an you know like webcamming were used to people streaming video games and streaming themselves masturbating in fucking with other people all that which is wonderful and beautiful and I’m all on all that with Spanx and everything but I would love to see and what this will ultimately be is a platform where you see people doing permaculture doing healing doing Shamanism building communities and going back to the land and broadcasting it and having people be able to tip in real time with streaming money with Revenue goals being that and just really create that beautiful liquidy and flow of capital to to support people who want to we’re doing this and of course I am doing something somewhat similar to what spanking is doing in the sense that the the low-hanging fruit or the first use case in it you know for Spanish and was like haha let’s use butts butts butts test out really Advanced Next Level Cutting Edge Let’s just call it streaming micropayments technology on aetherium and you and apply it to the industry that needs it the most the adult industry the webcam performers to work or getting gouged with up to 50% of their revenue being taken by the platform itself so spankchain is a 5% cut platform hence my feeling that okay if they’re going to set the standard for this new paradigm of a more empowered middle if you’re going to be if you are going to be an innocent in any sense of middleman in this in this ecosystem that you can really operate on on Lower margins because of the scalability so you know I thought that was great and I said all right I’m going to do 5% and so as they started with adult coming and eventually evolved into a white label system where anybody can build their own streaming money tipping kind of platform and chatting platform streaming web webcam platform might what I’d like to die when I’m starting with this idea of okay okay look here here’s a bunch of sexy babes all right yeah we do know we all were stupid it’s all hits all encoded in all of our ancient carvings and it’s it’s we know we worship the feminine form in all of its beauty and all of its phases of life and we’re a little bit hung up now on the Distortion of the youthful body as being all that is lovable and sexy bowl and all that and beautiful and I see beyond that and I am going to be very happy to leverage the sexual capital of existing models and pornstars in women who a huge following is a people adjuster like addicted to jerking off to the you know the shape of their bodies and the shape of their face and what not but what that can be a what would that can lead to an open the door to is people exploring the the beauty of eldership and the beauty of motherhood and the beauty of stretch marks in the beauty of gray hair and the Crone and all that so two women who I ultimately truly want to support the most with this platform are the Elder witches who have stories to tell and Magic to share and who needs support and who need to be given a sort of Social Security package from the radical ecological movement and so there will be you know a front loading of this platform with a lot of sexy babes to to get eyeballs on the site and to get to the capital flowing and eventually it will real rebalance more in the direction of real people real bodies MSA real bodies I want to say diverse bodies and diverse legal ages and all of that good stuff so that my green karma is is is nice nice and healthy and pure and that’s the goal is still to get there in 2 to apply myself really starting to step away from the the Trap of the black hole of narcissism which is slowly trying to build the Tantra pump brand if I can pull a bit of a Satoshi Nakamoto and and work myself out of a job and in create a platform in a technology that lives on by itself but I have no liability towards after that I have no leadership in after a certain point that is the the the the ultimate dream for me and I’ll say please go to the website please do look at what the models are doing there I’m choosing women who I ate a lot of them I personally know and love some of them are former lovers and and it’s beautiful to think that I could possibly have even all of my exes so-called I like to say former lovers but I really feel like wouldn’t it be so cool if the women who have loved me and tried love me and filled it letting me and his wife fell to love in the did the Trail of Tears it is all my fractured and broken past relationships and all them honestly I’d say the on the on the unbalanced the majority of my relationships have either not technically not ended or have ended reasonably well and if the love is still very strong and that even some of the sexual chemistry is still there but I think this is a way to distribute my love and to decentralize my love I do not want to be married to one person I do not want one person to absorb all of my financial means all of my emotional bandwidth I want to distribute myself intelligently and ethically across all of the women who I love and support them as single mothers in in those circumstances and just allow myself to be a conduit a connection of Bridge to Greater Capital to the first and foremost the women who I love and respect the most and even some of the ones maybe that I don’t you know there are women who from my past to wife beer could haunt me there’s women who stalked me there’s women I’ve had to get restraining orders against and I’m some part of me wonders will they ever you know catch up to me and my peak of success and want to ruin my life will maybe I could just throw them up here on this platform be like here look you’re taking care of don’t worry about it you know you played they all played an important role in my life if it wasn’t to learn how to love it was to learn how not to love excetera excetera so I’m thrilled about this interesting Dynamic and really it also is based on my study of the 64 yoginis which is a very fascinating chapter in the history of Contra or the history of Tantra it is considerably the root of what is called well it is one of the very interesting parts of the family tree of Tantra Zandt on tourism in India and it is one of the witchiest trippiest freakiest feminist eco-feminist Pagan anti patriarchal forms of of Tantra and it’s worth studying and in really this this idea of this chakra of 64 yoginis and the way that they construct their intelligent use of the Shiva energy the energy of the masculine for their rituals like I have learned that the Sweet Spot of being a man is to is to gracefully fall into the hands of ethical green witches were practicing Tantra sex magick and to be a conduit of energy through those rituals and this is a digital version of a male tantric goddess worship were saying I want to be in Devotion to all of these beautiful yoginis throughout the world and they can approach me they can love me or care about me or befriend me however they see fit there will not be a scandalous Weinstein type of creepiness coming me and this project it is a sexualized platform and to an extent if I’m taking pictures of sexy women and ask them to be sexy then there is a an important ethical train to be to be Traverse there and all that is to say that I have to have impeccable ethics about how I run this and I have to be while walking I would love to be the ecological Hugh Hefner Hugh Hefner I don’t believe Hugh Hefner was me too. I believe that there is a way to have your cake and eat it to be a successful entrepreneur in the adult and and and and Beauty marketing space and be revolutionary and be radical and not be a scumfuck and actually take care of people and help people and help women build families and build careers and build their education and and do this right so I go wish me luck and that if you are a crypto Enthusiast and you are Savvy at all with this technology please do go to the website please help me with the penetration testing and the bug bounties I will be able to pay at this point small amounts of people that find anything from typos to flaws in the the crypto economic aspect of things which are very simple now but they will get very complex and I want to shout out and also to give this. IO because they’re huge inspiration to me about how to structure this some decentralized aetherium based crowd Source funding platform and they’re doing that multi signature dispensing of funds thing they do they’re super Advanced like the area where I want to be there already way in the future and between the white labeling of spring change technology and hopefully the white labeling of the giveth. Ayo Technology all of these dreams I’ve had will come true and most importantly for me I really want to be Reba turn to a nun raped and molested womb and to live in a rape free zone where women are militant and guarded by attack dogs and have giant facilities compounds Island castles and where there is a perimeter that is defended in where we know that there is a from a tantric demon logical and shamanic perspective the Earth is under attack by demons that possess mostly men to rape and molest women and children and it is a rampant crisis and it was predicted and it’s in the scriptures so we’re deep in the Kali Yuga we’re deep into an area of extreme test pressure from the shadow Realms of reality and we need to be on guard and it’s Noah for me it’s not okay to say oh yeah your initiation into sexuality is probably going to be really rapey and really traumatic and disturbing and that’s just a rite of passage and get used to how the world works and people are treating sexual molestation and rape and even just botched botched consensual sexual initiation in virginity deflowering as just whatever you know in this in the more technology exists and we’re distracted people are and I’m not whatever about this because of what I was put through and I’m going to make this and you know this is my hopeful contribution to creating a safer world that if I Come Back Inn to it which I am pretty pretty certain I will I won’t have completely ascended to another level of being after this life I think I’ll probably come back to pick up where I left off and I want that to be way further along than where it is now and you know the consciousness of my family the consciousness of my mother goddess bless her heart we need to we can no longer say we didn’t know better about what’s happening on Earth with demonic infestation and sexual abuse and rape and what the time trees have to teach us about that and how we need to be writing new Tantra is about how to you know use the technology available to us now the ancient tantric technology was about sound breath movement and it all builds off of those those platforms and the sacred geometrical forms that you use to barricade and protect yourself in and out internally externally personally familiarly culturally socially everything I did the the the perimeter defense that Tantra used wisely and on the stork so-called light side or good side of the force it is a technology and so all of this new digital cyber crypto technology to me it can be used in harmony is in the internet extension of the spirit of the Tantra is certainly the shocked at Huntress where were talking about training the access to for individuals to enter collectively discover the truth of the living Consciousness and being and power of the goddess of the ambient Shakti which is the divine feminine energy that animates life if you follow this tradition and you’ve had these experiences and the the intelligent medicinal medical application of Kundalini activation to douche out the chakras and to liberate human souls and astral bodies from demonic pest that’s what I’m all about and this is a way for me to put some of that extreme tantric rhetoric under the hood of a vehicle that will move us in a direction of a safer World whether you believe in Kali whether you believe in Shiva whether you believe in Kundalini do you believe in Shakti whether you do yoga whether you retain your semen all of those Tantra Punk memes that I was trying so hard for soap for a mini years now about five years to really make that be what I’m known for and what am leaving with like I I could really just immerse myself fully into this project and let that all the guts of all of that thinking and all that rhetoric and all of that spiritual philosophy really just be kind of in the background cuz what it really comes down to is women mothers being trained to violently defend their worm space from the influence of toxic masculinity from the influence of rape and for there just to be a tighter parameter and then eventually hopefully we will win win back the Earth the garden planet and so yes please contact me if you have any questions please do check out the website survival women.com w o w o m b y n and check out the models more being added on almost on a weekly basis it’s getting I’m paying them handsomely to license our content and I’ve got them kind of lined up and so will be continuing to add to this and some of the top women in crypto are fans of this some of them are becoming models on the platform so there is going to be this beautiful bridge between the super Bush hippie chick I don’t like the word chick but there’s crypto chicks and there’s Bush hippie women and the spectrum of technophobia and technophilia are going to be you know united through this platform and I just I’m just looking forward to it but in this role and and see what happens and it certainly gives me a new lease on life and it is not at all hinged upon whether or not I am personally successful as a rock star as a movie star is it podcast sorry or any other form of centralized Eagle building narcissism that I know very very hostile and and resentful to at times about how I can fall into my own traps and be drinking my own Kool-Aid so I feel like this is a good a good direction to go to defuse my passion and to support this beautiful growth and you know if I get my commission of a little bit of sweetness a little bit of love and TLC as I go along and sit here in the cockpit and do all this programming and all this security stuff and all that that would be great and then I will feel feel blessed and hopefully you will enjoy the ride as well and this will be something that can yeah brighten everyone’s everyone’s life in the future so with all that said thank you so much and Namaste. 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Anarcho-Punk, Psychedelics, and Survivalism with Laughing Coyote TPP98

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This episode contains an interview with one of my anarcho-punk brothers from back in the day. We recorded this conversation over 6 years ago yet it remains a compelling primer on the evolution of radical ecological movements and the their dynamics within the punk underground.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 98 this is a blast from the past a recording I did with a dear friend of mine from the anarcho punk movement this was back in 2011 and 2012 was so big on my mind and it was a catalyst for a lot of Rapid transformation and I think we’re just beginning to see some of the changes that people were preparing for it that time so it’s kind of a time capsule looking at where I was coming from and it was a beautiful opportunity for me to catch up with an old friend with deeper roots in the movement of a knuckle Punk and Eco activism and psychedelic Shamanism and anarcho-primitivism green Anarchy and much more so I think it’s a great primer on the movements that I really feel like I’ve been most affected by and in the most aligned with and yeah I hope you enjoy it thank you so much no mistake I’m here today with a very dear and old friend and comrade at laughing coyote and the I will ask you introduce yourself tell us a little bit about how you personally evolved into a punk rock culture and anti-thyroid tarianism and where and when and how the environmental and ecological movement in Consciousness started to emerge with that path yeah I guess you were asking me earlier about how I got involved in the anarcho punk subculture and how I begin when in my life I begin identifying as an anti fart Aryan and I would say for me I mean it goes back to my first conscious memories Witcher you know maybe kindergarten around that. Of my life from a very early age before I even possess the vocabulary to articulate my views on external Authority and the attempts of those around me particularly adults to control me I had an instinctive aversion to being controlled and I definitely was with a we’re on a intuitive level that there was an indoctrination and socialization process going on around me one of my earliest memories is being forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance in kindergarten being introduced to that brainwashing ritual for the first time and realizing you know seeing seen the psychological mechanics at work and I went to to be grasping that immediately I I knew that by forcing us to repeat this his oath day after day that there was a process of brainwashing occurring I just didn’t have the vocabulary possess the vocabulary at the time to to explain that to anyone else but I was aware of what was happening and I was mentally guarded against it once I learned to read and write the once I crack the code of language I was probably 7 or 8 at that point I realized at that point that I the public school system of you know that was holding me prisoner at the time was standing in the way of my education and that once I had gained the gift of literacy I I I was quite prepared to just take it from there and strike out of my own I realized I didn’t really have a I have a need for this standardized State curriculum and I resented you know this state finance housing facility that I was confined in 5 days a week so I I definitely was looking for ways to rebell and to escape but at a young age it was hard for me to articulate what I saw going on around me and I didn’t feel like I had a lot of allies and I didn’t really understand the on the limits are the extent of my own personal strength and ability to alter my situation so yeah I begin exhibiting rebellious antisocial anti-authoritarian Tendencies at a young age tried my best to get thrown out of school I am putting on my my real political Awakening I was kind of a Rebel Without a Cause you know up until about age 10 or 11 and one of the ways in which I rebelled against the end of it the Stipe stifling conformis environment that I was being Riordan was through drug use and by the time I was ten I was already smoking marijuana but in a way that actually led to my political radicalization because I grew up outside the New York City area and couple times a year New York City radicals would hold events in Central Park that they called Smoke in where thousands of people would show up in a five to ten thousand people and they would open we light up in smoke marijuana in defiance of the authorities in defiance of the police and nobody got arrested because in that case there there were just too many of us so I’ve been hearing about the smoke ends when I was about 12 and that started drawing me into Manhattan more regularly and it was that one of these smokins that I encountered my first and largest newspaper was called overthrow and it was put out by some former hippies who still maintained an office On Bleecker Street in Greenwich Village former Associates Abbie Hoffman who unlike Jerry Rubin and some of the other sell out to their generation they they stayed true to the game and a they were definitely anarchists leaning and their paper overthrow was certainly an artist and I started getting their offices On Bleecker Street and that was kind of my introduction to anarchism actually before I even discovered Punk so that prepared me mentally for my waiter Discovery upon which came when I was about 14 15 I mean I’ve been exposed to the anarchist Punk didn’t come it’s wet come my way until life’s about 14 or 15 when I start getting supposed to crass and all that various fans that are part of the crass family musical tree so did you start he started collecting records and going to shows and Koenig that typical process of of starting to hang out and and and kind of clicks of like-minded punk friends and video did you go a lot of punch go through a the politicization process that starts out with a very that service Street Punk you know fuck the world kind of kind of politically vacuous rebellious approach and then overtime get exposed to stuff that’s more heartfelt and compassionate and thoughtful but you had already been seated with anarchists in Revolutionary and you know social justice Liberation type Consciousness and then some music that Express that is well through anarcho-punk where did you go from there in terms of the scenes you get kind of plugged in into that world into that infrastructure and kind or are we kind of peripheral to it and you’re just always a fan and where did your life kind of go from that did it have did did the discovery of article Punk take me Lily guide to Direction your life or was it kind of background to other things or how did you how did you integrate it in were you directed by at that point wake me up in a small working class town in New Jersey about 20 minutes south of Manhattan and yet still quasi-war rural so we had a river that ran through our town called the musconetcong and I had access to forests you know within 20 minutes of where I lived in the opposite direction to Manhattan so there wasn’t any Punk scene to speak of where I was growing up I was definitely in the minority as far as my musical tastes went and the most rebellious elements amongst my peer group were metalheads and that’s pretty much why hang out hung out with they could be they could definitely be counted on to engage in a Mindless acts of vandalism and I could count on them in a lot of ways I mean they were we’re always enthusiastic about coming out spray painting tagging we pacing but that was what I was left to work with and my exposure to the punk scene involve going into Manhattan and that’s definitely where I began where I would have to go to acquire the music I was developing strong passionate interest in I was always you know I never went through like an anti nowhere we kind of phase was never a gbh type spikes in leather punk I mean I always gravitated towards the more intelligent punk bands and I was fortunate that that sweat started coming into my life anyway and what I was initially drawn to I’m with a lot of those fans with in particular the British anarcho-punk movement was I think a lot of people who don’t have any R4 Punk don’t have any work for the music and therefore of never investigated the The Counter Culture itself because of the aversion that they have to the music I think what they fail to realize is that there was a spiritual dimension to the scene especially in the early to mid 80s and I think there was a spiritual vision that was being expressed you know through the anarchist Punk movement through those those bands what they were what they were channeling and what they were expressing it had a profound impact on my life and my world view and for 15 years or more I didn’t listen to I virtually didn’t listen to any other type of music is there was nothing I encounter that was was more powerful our had a more powerful effect on me that resonated is deeply with me in the core core of my being political radicalization came through a lot of those pants Christ even even early Chumbawamba. certainly all the cracks in Mortar hate bands and bands like antisec in particular I mean that was my my exposure to animal rights animal Liberation the critique of species is on veganism which is something I embrace that a young age end incorporated into my wife for 17 years so you got those that scene had a profound effect on me but I was always because I didn’t have a larger seen that I could conveniently connect with I was always on the periphery of it and remain somewhat a lunar connected but still doing my own thing and then and it was good that I was able to maintain my distance like that because from that vantage point I was also able to observe the Conformity that was present even in the punk counterculture and a lot of the role-playing and a you know just the conformist attention to wearing the right costume and I never got sucked into that aspect of things and was actually able to maintain a detached critique of it so when in the you were getting exposed to the anarcho punk bands to an array of different social environmental and socio-economic issues and causes and movements what led you to an emphasis on environmental the environmental movement several things that were carrying that were several influences at work in my life simultaneously and definitely bands like avoid some of the early releases were instilling a strong environmental awareness and me and from there I wanted to learn more and so I began seeking out Publications like the Earth First journal on I think the single most profound influence on me during that period of my life though when I was wanting to understand my relationship with the Earth better and when I was developing a critique of urban culture was discovering the anarcho primitivism journal Fifth Estate which was coming out of Detroit during that. Of time actually from the early seventies to the early 90s that came out of the Troy and I got exposed to in about 1986 and a critique of civilization that was being formulated in fit the state during that. Of time just really blew my mind and really resonated with me and that’s when I started getting exposed to an Arco permabase writers like John’s there is an Fredy Perlman and during that. Of time every issue fit the state was crammed with investigative and bibliographical weeds tons of interesting authors and anthropologists were being cited regularly and fit the state so that gave me a lot of investigative leads to work with and I began seeking out a lot of these books and kind of immersing myself in that body of literature which I refer to as the anti-civilization critique starting with Lewis Mumford who was I’m addressing some of these issues in the 1920s and on up to the the wave of anarcho-primitivism explicitly anarchists critics of civilization that started making themselves known in the early seventies see you had established the conceptual framework to reorient yourself towards a more intimate connection with the Earth send to evaluate things like where food and water comes from in an urban culture and where we tradition or how and where we traditionally in in more Primal states of being were in balancing in Whitmore and bouncing different ways and then obviously through the Earth First Journal you’re getting exposed to the current events and issues in campaigns and whatnot did you joining the environmental movement did you was there a lot going on a lot of community that you found on the East Coast or was it coming to the West Coast where you found more of the I guess maybe we should get into just a relationship with hippie culture in a relationship with the environmental movement in the underground is just part of the the Riff Raff the overall Riff Raff you know in end of the circuits of different events like the rainbow gathering his stuff how that experience the social experience of of things in addition to the you know that the book experience in the literature experience kind of help formulate that that well before I moved to Oregon when I was 16 my understanding of what an old growth forest was was purely conceptual I was reading about it I was reading about in the Earth First Journal about the early tree sets early incidence of tree spiking but all of his stuff was occurring in the Western United States which was which is something you know I could vaguely imagine in my mind but I had no direct experience with it I’d never gone any further than a any further west than Ohio so when I move to Oregon that’s when a lot of things begin falling into place for me in my life you know intellectually and spiritually a lot of connections were instantaneously made I spent my first month in Oregon doing nothing but hiking around the Columbia River Gorge experiencing old-growth for the first time waterfalls a web of wildness that I didn’t think even existed on planet Earth anymore excited I never had anything to compare it to Savannah and the importance of the work that are the first was doing became even more apparent to me and it became much clearer what was at stake and why people were putting their lives on the line so I began exploring some of the areas that I was reading about in the Earth First Journal areas that were on the chopping block to be to be cut to be converted into clear-cut some areas that if our service and the Bureau of Land Management had designs on the earth first Journal was at least trying to draw attention to these areas and I happen to move to one of the hot spots the Pacific Northwest so this was occurring all around me so that that really helped me understand on a primal visceral level what was at stake and it stopped being like a purely intellectual fair to me at the point and just as a as a biological being I started to a to understand the the the assault that was occurring on the Web of Life how about yeah I had a definitely a similar transformative experience first getting involved with that resets and getting out there and seeing you know the Deep all girls that live the real like temperate rainforest FernGully experience and that seems to get right into people’s hearts very deeply very quickly and I totally relate to that so I and you have a unique experience that I definitely want people to learn about and hear about having frequent in the rainbow gathering and it’s I think it’s kind of like the the original working class Burning Man or Poor Man’s Poor Man’s Burning Man or something like that I guess I don’t know how the two were late you know in terms of how they cross-pollinated influence each other but I think a lot of people who see Burning Man as a cost-prohibitive Endeavor aren’t aware that the rainbow gatherings is and you told me some fascinating and wonderful things about that so maybe if you can talk about your that as an influence and is an experience and also stepping back from that just your encountering repair your encounters with and your integration of the hippie culture proper because I think what would my right as a punk my path went through that cycle of content just in your face or belly is anarchy you know kind of stuff to getting more refined and more sort of philosophical and theoretical about power relationships in class and class Warfare and stuff and then it was later that I got into environmentalism the environmental movement in and then specifically like for me it was more the crust anarcho-punk in amcrest was kind of the synthesis of the esthetic aesthetically it was at the synthesis of like Punk attire hippie dreadlocks in hemp jewelry in tribal type tattoos and tribal Trinkets and adornments and what not and even things like Patchouli and stuff like that so there’s a thin metal and then that the black you know that the black clothing and skulls and kind of the darker more evil aesthetic of metal and then the put the Consciousness in the energy in the spirit of of punk which may have been a kind of punk where was just you know people that whatever like not even dressed up but just the spirit and it didn’t matter what the law says not necessarily like bondage belts in Liberty spikes and stuff like that although there’s the memes are kind of intermix here and there but it’s definitely very apparent that hippie influence on you know just to everything from natural living and wellness and you know that that a lot of stuff getting aggravated so I’m curious you you have you no more of a more background experience probably directly encountering and integrating what I think it’s easy to makeover generalizations about anything that you are you have no personal experience with her that you’re critiquing from from afar it’s easy to stereotype Punk culture until you immerse yourself and develop some appreciation for how diverse it actually is I mean with with in the punk movement I mean how many schools of thought of and currents and sub currents have I have developed within you to the larger category a punk I mean everything from from straightedge to queercore to cross to pop punk ad infinitum you wouldn’t know that unless you would really involved yourself in it and then able to understand the nuances and the diversity that actually exist within the punk subculture I believe the hippie counterculture it’s been my experience that it’s every bit as diverse I mean you can stereotype all hippies as deadheads who like to wear tie dyes and who are worthless Stoners who snowboarding Stoners whose life revolves around glass pipes but I mean that’s that’s just one small aspect the hippie culture yeah they’re they’re just as the drunk punx are there in the glue to glue sniffing paw the gutter punks in the exploited Punk’s I mean yeah there’s plenty of things about the hippie counterculture a better disgraceful and embarrassing but I’m doesn’t entire Spectrum it runs the gamut and at its core the hippie movement was and is a DIY movement I mean it’s kind of a precursor to punk and you know that’s obvious if you know anything about the history of crass and you understand that with the exception of Steve ignorant every other member crass came out of the London hippie movement of the late 60s they were older hippies who recognized the Revolutionary potential of punk when it came along and also the artistic potential of it which I think they also took full advantage of but more than it I mean crafts more than any other anarchists projects of the late 20th century I mean they were almost single-handedly responsible for resurrecting anarchism as an international movement and it’s important to remember that was a bunch of hippies who did that so I think it’s it’s important to try to stay broad-minded and to think for yourself another thing about the hippie counterculture the 60s it’s important to look at what they were reacting against they be they were reacting against a mechanized society and increasingly mechanized Society and some of the ways some of the things that they pioneered are things that I benefited from later on as an anarcho punk I’m the fact that there were health food stores for me to plug into and take advantage of that I that stores existed where I could purchase tofu where I could acquire soy milk and all these new products at 7 we became important to me I have two hippies the back for that the fact that I could find organic food pretty easily here on the West Coast in the whole organic movement organic agriculture was something that was pioneered or at least Revitalize than significantly strengthened by by the hippies the back to the land movement of the early seventies the late sixties and early seventies but definitely in the 70s is when it began to occur when a lot of people realize that the values that they were fighting for where we’re real they were important they were values that they had internalized and wanted to live by but the revolution that so many people were counting on a hurting in the 60s wasn’t going to a car so I think a lot of it quote unquote hippies at that point decided that the best course of action available to them was to get out of the Cities get out of Babylon as as they call it and get back to the land to individually and in a small group secede from the system and so I also had that 2 to take advantage of the fact that you know where I was living in the Pacific Northwest there there was still plenty of functioning communes that were were established in the early 70s that I was able to visit learn from stay out for extended periods of time I mean that’s that’s where I begin to learn to grow food myself was a practicing on some of these communes that had Farms that had functioning Farms that you know provided 70% of the food that the people living there eight I had I have tremendous respect for that wing of the hippie movement people need to realize too that there has been an underground psychedelic movement that has existed at least since the time Albert Hoffman for synthesized LSD and it’s been it’s been underground Adam definitely reach the certain Peak or Apex in the late 60s the mid-to-late 60s but as the state became more repressive and totalitarian towards the use of psychedelic medicines the movement just went deeper underground and that’s that’s one of the that’s something else I think we we have to thank the real hippies for is that one at one of their roles in the grand scheme of things as I see it is that they keep these medicines and circulation and these medicines allow people to reconnect with the Earth and what I would call the guy in mind on a really deep non-intellectual Primal level in a life-altering way will you see things and learn lessons that will stick with you that will alter your perception reality permanently for the better that’s one of the things that I think hippies of really done for the counterculture and that’s one of the functions I think rainbow gathering serve that a lot of people don’t realize that they’ve never been to one I mean they are essentially group psychedelic ceremonies you’re not required to take psychedelics but there’s those medicines are being used and they’re being used by a lot of people and you’re participating whether you’re ingesting those medicines or not and I think that was one of the strategies that that people adopted I mean the first rainbow gathering was 1974 and I think at that point you know that the hardcore hippies who weren’t turning back who would who would dropped out fully and completely in their mind spiritually there was no turning back for them they realize that to keep their culture alive and they needed to continually recruit and the rainbow gatherings have served that purpose I mean thousands of people stumble upon the national rainbow gathering every year and are never the same again I’m glad you brought that up I kind of tell people now anybody who’s watched the movie Avatar and enjoyed it is paying homage to Ayahuasca and Amazonian psychedelic Shamanism because the Tree of Souls is based on the vine of Souls which is the translation of Ayahuasca and I heard from Daniel pinchbeck that it didn’t put should come as no surprise that James Cameron had had the a by waska ceremonial traditional Ayahuasca experience before writing that so it’s definitely flows that all of the translucent fluorescent alien otherworldly life-forms depicted and and and all of that come from the tryptamine experience if you will end yeah it’s been Terence McKenna said it one point I don’t know how they keep a lid on this stuff so it’s definitely that function in that role and you know I like I can now there are you know that Santo dime a legal precedent Clinton pass the Religious Freedom revitalization Act or something to that something to that effect and Terence McKenna assist talked about you know I don’t know if you said at one point in the lecture I don’t know if you’ve noticed this but the system is not going out it’s not handing out rights to people not handing out civil rights it’s not handing you know it’s not handing out to the for the oppressed and minority or minority populations who have who feel that their human rights are not being respected to say the least for psychedelic Society to to emerge and take hold it it would have to be there have to be a second telegram pollution and if anything is like the precursor to that it’s it’s sort of veiled but I mean even in in Lord of the Rings there’s references to the halflings leaf and you know there’s all these pop culture references to do his medicine is and I think that you know with the maps that the big an organization that’s trying to get clinical studies done with MDMA and all that stuff in there psilocybin studies being done it’s it’s not going to be a taboo thing it’s it’s it’s coming dancing to the volunteer for specific. Of time and work on specific projects for us at different times of the year we get most of our interns during the summer but we get interns year-round and we have in our volunteers so we have Educators we have people who are research Affiliates and who published research and use the center is one of their professional affiliations we have research assistants who helped them we do work with events so we do some Outreach events I think on Wednesday we’re going to UCLA sextravaganza which is been happening for several years on UCLA’s campus that we usually set up a booth are we do that with other things around town we’ve also have members some of our volunteers go to conferences all over the world and represent us at different places and in different areas apparently were very popular in Melbourne just found out from a friend who’s been living in Australia for the past couple years I can’t I guess we’ll have to go there at some point cool it’s a new cloud-based model it’s elegant and overhead in the neighborhood drama and that there’s a lot of reasons to transcend that six location and you can if you can be a mobile you know unit then you can just take your your your laptop and projector and some you know what your handouts or whatever you have in this b a anywhere and then again because through using Skype and using other types of internet programs you know we can get into a classroom you know that might not be able to bring us there physically but we can still do it will set it up on our end and and just stream live stream wherever we need to be and it’s very helpful to cuz we so we have volunteers I think are farthest away volunteer that we’ve had so far was in Trinidad so we can have volunteers from anywhere in the world who can work with us medication programs and so they help us Creator update or education resources in our reference materials and putting together things to help teachers facilitate this in their classes they might actually be one of our Educators we train people to go out to those classes and to give presentations to places we have research assistants to make come in with a certain amount of background knowledge and how to do academic research and some come in just wanted to learn it and so we trained them and they work with people who are doing research in various aspects of positive sexuality and so some of them get to co-author papers and some of them get to work on the ground floor of research happening and get to really get into what that is and have a voice and have an influence in what’s being done in the academic world and this is course then starts to affect policy when we’re putting scientific research in front of people and saying here this is what the says that’s not the correct or let them besides these aspects and that can be very very helpful we work with other organizations so and CSF the National Coalition for sexual freedom is one of our sort of co-working his nation’s the community academic Consortium for research on alternative sexualities we work with them as well yeah I’m getting chills yeah I’m getting chills cuz this is a lot more than I bargained for and actually seeking a lot of what you’re describing and to have yeah we hope we have a good bit of time last time feeling compelled to ask you a little bit about I guess hey if you’re into taboos right blowing them there is all I ever believed starting this week there’s going to be the biggest psychedelic science conference in the history of humanity happening in the Bay Area it’s put together by that multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and the there’s a lot of really important cutting-edge legal for the first time in decades studies happening all over the world with psilocybin you know I gave magic mushrooms and MDMA and Ayahuasca and marijuana and peyote and I will gain a number of other synthetic and natural organic you could say psychedelic compounds in a lot of it is at this point in this stage of the Renaissance of research it’s really about proving the safety the relative safety of different compounds getting the dosage to be sort of understood better at also having some really important clinical trials around ending ending addiction to harmful drugs ending cigarette addiction end-of-life anxiety sexual abuse and Trauma and PTSD from War veterans there’s all these different the demographics that are starting to have really groundbreaking results and they’re doing you know they’re putting in the millions of dollars to do the the research for all this and so I bring that up just to say that this is an interesting juncture for me because the a cultural cliche about sex drugs and rock and roll and you know the way that the culture of inebrians is starting to move a large part due to Raves and festivals it’s moving more towards entheogens than just Coke and heroin and meth and booze there’s more opportunities for people who are coming into their sexuality to have access to psychedelic experiences and so there’s the new Alchemy of innocent in these Generations between sex drugs and rock and roll and if it’s it’s it’s it’s a lot more sophisticated and advanced and and and just more diverse in many ways than it was in the 60s when it was you know Acid Rock and LSD and other birth of the the hippie movement in the 60s but I’m wondering if you have in your position they’re come across any any any people who are interested in in rigorous academic study of what this new sex and drugs and rock and roll Paradigm it is shaping up to become if there’s anyone interested in that that you know of he’s been there are definitely people who are starting who are doing research on these topics and very often the connection that ends up happening in the academic research is you know if we’re looking at the sex drugs and rock and roll that of course is going to look at the outcomes and too often I think the the outcome that gets stressed is okay so what’s the what’s the public health issue so is it possible or is it likely that people are might be transmitting STIs because they might be under the influence of something or maybe they can’t we do we have to worry about consent if someone is under the influence of something that then means that they cannot now consent to what happens at that point so what happens if everybody who’s involved have done that so where does that line get drawn so I think a lot of the issues that have come up in recent research has been either on public health topics around STI transmission or on consent topics recognizing that at least by law if someone is inebriated for example they can now no longer consent to sexual activity okay so what happens if everybody involved. That’s so interesting yet that’s exactly what I’ve been actually encountering and in just by life experiences it’s there’s there’s a lot of people now who were you can say you were having expanded Consciousness through empty agentic use meaning it’s kind of a nice way of saying psychedelic no drugs but but that’s an important consideration because just because you feel like you’re enlightened than that one with God doesn’t mean that you’re immune from being the perpetrator with that Enlightenment that you don’t think you have a potential for abuse and even if it’s not that sort of shady you know where that sort of Insidious there’s also just the issue you’re not in your body if you’re having an out-of-body ecstatic psychedelic experience how how do you get even if you can send it to the idea of something earlier in the evening that has to be held through somehow and if you lose the if you become somebody else or part of your higher self or whatever it could be theirs that’s some chicky territory for sure yeah so that’s I guess there’s you know that I’ve seen like at electronic dance music events you can call him Rave but that’s kind of more you know probably more accurate term these days cuz there’s within that whole world there’s different camps and it’s more no more more bride to just called electronic dance music these days but you know there is there’s sort of harm reduction education Outreach groups that put out one sheet kind of look like glass CD mailer cards you know about business matters and they have kind of a profile of what the different substances how did how to test and make sure that they’re real or are what you’re getting it like that there’s that whole harm reduction education Outreach approach that is kind of like what you’re talking about but it’s for the party scene in just for best and better practices around that but I could see that they’re being a sum interest group of people where they would want to see things the way you’re talking about it cuz I actually no way you’re framing it it it feels like there’s a lot more due diligence for people that want to be credible and respectable and using best practices to actually think with some of these analytical tools so I’m hoping you’ll be great if there was some overlap or or or Synergy with all this stuff I think more and more what is happening as we’re seeing the people who are actually involved in all of these different spaces you know the people were actually doing whatever it is we’re talking about having more influence on the research that’s being conducted so that it creates a more authentic overall experience and I think it adds a level of legitimacy to the research so rather than a researcher sort of from on high saying well I’m going to study this group and I think what they’re doing may not be safe and so we know the perspective that I’m going to come about with this is that well this is already inherently unsafe and now I’m going to show you why it’s in safe and I think more and more we have researchers who are in these communities who are in these faces or doing all of these things and you say you know maybe we need to do is talk to the people who were actually doing this and not talk to them with a preconceived notion of what’s going on or what they’re experiencing or what may be happening but go in just as a hey could give us some information to tell us about what’s happening and I think we’re seeing more of that so there has been research on for example like barebacking and there’s been research on sex workers experiences and there’s been research on sort of the the spiritual some of the spiritual Connections in the spiritual extremes that can be experienced through extreme SM activities light hookah coals and those kinds of things so we’re seeing more and more of that happening where people who are actually in these groups are part of the subcultures are also crossovers into the academic life and we’re just seeing an amazing amount of research that starting to Bubble to the surface and get a little bit of space. I think this research has been getting done for quite a while but it can be really hard to get it published because some of the academic Publishers don’t want to hear about it and I want you to my is any of these things so if they publish something on it they want to be really careful so with our journal and with some of the other journals out there we’ve been able to bridge. Cap and actually be able to show some I feel like more authentic stories well absolutely will now in this world have so many The Gatekeepers being dissolved by the power of the internet I feel like you know there’s a lot of bad journalism or untrained journalism so there’s got to be a lot of bad or untrained or Incredible or uncredible research but maybe it’s the methodology that can be what’s the word sort of feel like I could imagine what as you were speaking I was imagining will wouldn’t it be great to train the you know that like the anthropological participation observation ethnography kind of model but if you were to train if you were coming from that subculture and you wanted to sort of document your tribe and produce your own ethnography kind of amongst your friends kind of tabulate experiences and collect notes insured compare notes is there was you recommend any kind of Crash Course doing data collection for different types of research paper I’m doing ethnography in the field and sort of how that works and how you can sort of pull everything together there’s a really good little guidebooks you know a quick online search for for some of these guys are out there and ask her if she is amazing stuff I love doing a photography by the way I think it’s an incredible tool that doesn’t get use nearly enough and and it got a lot of researchers a colleague of mine she recently did a photographic ethnographic working with lgbtq Foster Youth and homeless Youth and kind of went out gave them all cameras and said take photographs of Your World of your life of who you are, and they did a whole art show you know like found a gallery in Downtown LA and just played everyone’s photographs and and you know really got people connected to them and seeing them as people who have life experiences and they’re not just sort of a category of disadvantaged kids so yeah I think there’s there’s an easy guide books out there just like a quick you can find some quick little things of how to do ethnography and how to do that and but I think a lot of that to starts with her own storytelling so things that you do and things that others do and and all the bloggers out there and everything of these are all forms of ethnography relay yeah that’s cool it’s just that it’s exciting and hopeful cuz I feel that I’m at a point where I’m doing kind of pseudo-scientific Rogue radical research that’s way too far out for any government agency or any academic institution to touch with a ten-foot pole so it’s it’s kind of on me and my colleagues and friends 2 do this sort of underground research but then hope that it it’s done in a way that it can be respectable or it can be legitimated later you know but it is probably good to do what you’re suggesting and actually have some some templates for collecting the data that mean okay here’s what would our experiment yielded and here’s the methodology in the procedure and you can test it on your own Hardy or lab or whatever replicate what you’ve done and so can you give enough information that would allow somebody else to replicate and get similar results in their own place or find totally different results which is also fascinating injured and interesting and yeah and I think that’s really I mean that’s science that is science Sciences pushing boundaries and science is you now let’s try a new thing and see what happens and science is telling a new story or New Perspective of a story and you know I think that that’s been lost over the past many years Society The Sciences inquiry science is asking questions and wondering why thing happens and how something happens and trying to figure that out and I think that we’ve sort of collectively as a larger society have sort of lost that Focus write the word crowdsourced crowd-source funding crowdsourced ideas and editing and an art I mean you were talking about that at that photo gallery exhibit and that’s a great example if you would call that a crowd-sourced ethnographic oh yeah photojournalism nice oh yeah that’s cool that’s that’s exciting time so I’m also wondering now do you have do you do you or your organization the Center provide any kind of consulting services or any kind of where you could be hired or you could be sort of commissioned to do research or to consult on Research I don’t know that we’re I don’t know that anybody is really hired to do research cuz wouldn’t it be fantastic if someone will pay for that but that doesn’t happen if we do get hired as consultants for a variety of things so either individuals within the organization or the collective organization May consult on certain projects or consult on like creative curriculum for a particular thing and we have individuals who are consulted on court cases and I’m legal issues so so there’s a lot of that we also get hired by professionals like to teach professional workshops on various topics so that happens as well because we’re a nonprofit although those things are often we you know ask for fee cuz usually the people who were asking for these services are people who can pay for it but what going out to the schools we’re going to colleges in touch or we have a student group asked us to come and do something with them or like what you know we go to somebody’s community of answer something we may ask for an honorarium but we’re going to do this stuff for free so we really depend on our donors and our contributors and the people who support us to kind of give us the funding that we need in order to do what we want to do and and to publishing and all the other stuff so our journals available for free most of our Outreach staff and education program is all for free so yeah a lot of what we do depends on donations as opposed to people actually hiring us officially to do something right on that sounds like a healthy well-rounded multi Revenue stream nonprofit you’re definitely fulfilling your mission in so many beautiful dimensions and I’m just really happy to know that we’ve connected to some really feel better about living in the world with you more offline 2 just to explore some of these Consulting opportunities that you have and see what we’re about and all of that stuff were completely volunteer so none of us are paid for what we do I don’t run a paycheck nobody wants a paycheck that’s completely volunteer and yeah we’re just we’re just trying to let you know we just try to bring it enough funds to keep going and to keep doing what we’re doing and to expand so we’re actually going to be expanding our face-to-face education program out to Chicago over the next few months so Craig can you do that that’s well thank you so much that’s great I feel like it’s it’s really refreshing to to hear that there are people out there who are so dedicated to the cause that it’s that you did not just going to slam the door in your face if you don’t write a check if you know the first five minutes if you’re not going to bill me for this podcast interview right now about an hour into it is do you have a sort of committee or task force or team or just even a person who is either because they are a trauma Survivor or because it’s just near and dear to their hearts whatever reason is there you do consent workshops in self-defense or rape and assault prevention and any any more of the or any any of the sort of preventative and treatment kind of education unpreparedness we do have programs around consent we don’t really specifically talk about self defense or or right prevention in the standard sense so we don’t really talk about here’s what you can do to prevent being raped we talked about here’s what you can do to not rape someone because really this is not on the victim this is on the perpetrator but we also talked about you know here’s other ways that you might think about your sexual self and your identity in the power dynamics that you may interact with and find consensual outlets for some of your interests and behaviors and the citiz and you know we talked about a wide range of those things so it would be great if the people who are doing the Rape Crisis counseling and who are just in the trenches of dealing with battered women and in and going in and and doing you know investigations to catch meant to prosecute the perpetrators of all ages if they were I would let it would be great if in it you know in a perfect world they were seeking you all to educate themselves on better prevention and better version or diversion from the criminal whole that the response like they’re coming as the First Responders two incidents that would have been prevented by a proper education on all sides right and we do have we do have information so some of our researchers and and because we have people who are social workers who have conducted research through us who have published on how to do how to have a sex positive approach to handling victims how to have a sex positive approach to handling offenders and that these approaches can really help reduce crime can reduce negative stigma can reduce it comes cool is that would that be on your website or at some if I if I can follow up with you later cool okay well alright I feel like it’s this is yes. A real blessing and I just want to thank you again for your time and generous sharing of great info so with that said do you want to give the website and any other maybe upcoming events or anything else you’d like to promote and the website is positive sexuality. Org journal and that’s Journal of positive sexuality. Org we have our anniversary party coming up this July so if you want to be invited and want to be a part of that anniversary party will be a fundraiser you can contact me at Emily Emily at positive sexuality. Org or you can go to our website and put in your email address and then you’re on our newsletter list and you’ll get information through our newsletter about our party and we’re hoping we’re putting together an academic conference for next year so look on our website check things out if you go to sex pause khan.com so s e x p o s c o n. Com there’s going to be updated information they’re probably starting in the next couple of weeks for our positive sexuality conference coming up in 2018 in Burbank all right that’s very exciting thank you again yeah that’s me alright thank you so much again and I will hopefully I’ll be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite sex if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. Com Thomas gay