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Greening Revolution and Rainbowing Spiritual Love with Vanessa Soulxo TPP286


In this episode I’m joined again by Vanessa Soulxo for a soulful exploration of the deep cultural trauma that’s being purged and healed in the world

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About Vanessa:

Vanessa LeMaistre’s path has been unconventional. Broken from years of childhood sexual assault, not having a father to protect her and an ultimate lack of self-worth, she woke up at the age of 25 as a lost soul, having dated a mix of men, including prominent celebrities who didn’t respect her worth. Deciding to wake up and step into her path, Vanessa began to practice yoga and spiritually enlighten herself through a series of texts, before suffering a tragic loss of her son, Kamden at 9 months. Throughout her journey, Vanessa, a shaman, provides spiritual insight from her own diverse experiences and channels her late son to do so. If you’re looking for an unconventional take on wisdom to transform your life, please attend her Soul Church or contact her via gmail: vanessasoulxo@gmail.com to receive her services.

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My Non Verbatim Show Notes

TP: feeling blessed, compounding angel interest

your strategy, adapt church to online, inclusive non-hierarchal church space, colead, cofacilitate, forced to adapt to cyber space model, for a little while, got some ideas how to start building up fellowship, when things mellow out, have strong fellowship


happening a lot smoother than I thought, just graduated, logical thing get a job, use degree, not my path,

smoothly happening, took the call, go with alignment, what’s in alignment with my path, spread energy 9-5, spread soul thin, not my path, leap of faith, people can help build it up, I can’t do it by myself, if I should up if there’s one or two people, goal is to listen to the call, multiples of people can come, join in community, really about community, build bridges how to communicate,

unity in community, you see communities where there is no unity

friend, adopted, jewish, all about community, be honest with each other, solve a lot of problems, honest with ourselves, be there for each other, cultivate during a time like right now,

sense of urgency, set up communities

encourage, more individuals build community, stronger collective

switch things, hierarchal, old paradigm, going from capitalist mindset, to age of aquarius, excited for newer generation, more queer thinking,

swtiching out of putting everything in box

more multi-raced, how to do you put somebody in a box

community, accepting people, taking away biases, what can we learn from each other

allow to be vulnerable, egalitarian based

online, challenge, we’re not in a physical space, virtual container

curious how it’s gonna end up, could be really impactful

counsels, all my classes were counsels, professor wasn’t talking at us, we were running the show

never know what’s gonna pop off, speak honestly, speak from there heart, stand in power be fierce, use voice

hold power for someone else

white guy, going through what’s happening, what’s your suggestion for white privileged male

giving back to black communities, telling him, bluntly its time to give your power away

makes you more powerful, when you’re able to empower others

blacks in our country,have not been given opportunity to really shine, haven’t been given platforms, opportunity to be heard, most don’t get a chance to talk in groups, marginalized

more privileged people hold the power

excited, we can come together on line, really be real, cut the bullshit,

get questions, oh this is a church, what’s the doctrine, what’s your faith creed

I’m listening to sources call, asking how do you want me to bring people to you, root of this, really the goal, bringing them to the light, to connect to source within themselves

takes away black and white, male female gay straight,

how can you dress sexy and be taken seriously as a woman,

how can you not be both

break things down, we are switching from an older paradigm, no longer putting things in boxes

churches, judicial, educational

personal healing if we’re not doing something different, not changing, things are gonna be the same

different approach to church, no body wants to be churched at

TP: a lot of positive triggering and stimulating triggering as I’m listening to what you’re saying, all due respect,

for me to own my privilege, and disclose my bias as underclass white male who is straight passing, able passing, most part euro american mut, I don’t have any facial tatoos, put on suit and tie, hair cut, I could make my resume to the nonprofit sector, also corporate, if I had any minority cards to play, it would be that I’m not heteronormative, survivor, come from lower class, ptsd, a lot of invisible wounding that can be debilitating, impact ability to be type-a ceo, conquer of the world, the potential privilege appears on the surface, a lot more going on there

get it if I’m in the black and white

I’m okay with starting there, that’s what I’m passing as, if you want to get to know me, be curious, don’t have white fragility problem, I can take criticism, and blacklash

we may not have discussed before, good time to talk about all these things

instead of becoming a yuppie, I dropped out of the system and going movements mostly of people of color, all fighting for the underclass

solidarity with people no matter what race

people of color I’ve been in revolutionary organizations and projects with, covert operations as whitey

ways to use that power, give it back, be strategic about it

a few things come to mind based on what you’re saying, empowerment, new paradigm

outline a few things

one topic Ron Finley, guerilla gardening movement, almost 10 years ago, gangster gardener movement, bring people into understand that south central los angeles, food desert could be food forest

took over parkway, made strip of grass and weeds between curb and sidewalk, made into lush beautiful edible garden, community, educational, bounty

world class fashion designer, city came to fine him, tear it out, under estimated his sophisticated, marketer, green thumb, ted talk, more drive thrus than drive bys, killing people, kids who grow kale eat kale, plant some shit

leadership for minority community, highest co-morbidity, people of color, diabetes, obesity, health of community, empowerment


next level thing, I bow down to him got to hang out, talk shop, mulch

still rocking it, tearing up the headlines

you’ve mentioned permaculture as well in your works

that’s a topic

I want to go into your thoughts on the health crises, food choice, under class, people of color, gardening opportunities, ecological,

conspiracy of big companies, junk food

if we have time walk through some of ways that people of color who’ve been colonized by christianity, raped by gospel of christianity, reclaim sacred space of devotional activities, worship, navigate fact, people who are gonna not want to let go of that, on people like you to bring in medciine, plant medicine, new revelations, new chapters /gospels to the bible

me, nerdy white man intellectual, try to get down with the people and plant some shit

greening, movement, uprising right now

whatever direction hopefully influenced by people like you, lyrics of hip hop, consciousness, spirituality

VS: keep wanting to record reggae, positive conscious

for greening and next leveling of the movement, so much in that with permaculture, food justice, human rights, food justice, education, all those poor neighborhoods, filled with junk food, liquor stores, health food, don’t have it

set up unfitting way for blacks,

public schools, low funding, not taught how to do permaculture, ties in perfectly what you mentioned, people of color being raped by colonizers

psychologically, taking away opportunity for them to be educated,

paradoxical, most people of color ancestors operated on indigenous ways, permaculture to some degree, grow and plant own food

grandmother helped raised me, know which plants to take, go on walks, plants for certain teas, for ailments

taking away, stolen, brainwashed, psychologically, don’t have access to that education

cuba, sustainable, economy crashed, poorer countries really great models

teach kindergarten, how to plant

waldorf school, silicon tech heads send children to outdoor schools, eating mint leaves, fascinating, kids learn from early age how to have such a good food source for their health

benefit in so many ways

ancestors knew that

grandmothers 91, no health problems, ate naturally sourced foods in back yard

marginalized people, have been ripped from opportunity to be educated, should be on front lines of best education possible, compensate for robbery

spirituality, practicianers work with plants, medicine, witches, shamans, balancing the earth, not doing hexes

living harmonious ways, more intuned more health, mindful, what we’re intaking where’s it coming from

I think that’s really fascinating

overall global crises, eating cleaner, less pollution, climate, better systems set up in a way, poor neighborhoods, low access to health

people of color I know, southern comfort food, most people in family diabetes high cholesterol, fried chicken everyday, not educated

more people to educate others

TP: definitely taking about reggae, what means are there, we both agree, I’m humbly, deeply informed and moved by your experience, better than mine, horrible influences, horrible diet, health problems remedy through gardening

what the problem is, who needs the reparations

reggae, people say definitely homophobia in rastafarianism, what are edges of queerness within religion

reggae gone far being, roots of reggae coopted into more mainstream forms

positivity, vibration, influences, indigenous, african, also stuff from western theology

lyrics from Bob Marley’s,

every time I plant a seed, he said kill it before it grow

reggae, I think there’s revolutionizing of reggae that has to happen for it to be medicine for the people, the vibration of guns, violence, misogyny, rape culture, toxic masculinity

looking for people who are gonna take the ron finley lyrics, put beats behind them

Paris, revolutionary hip hop, personality, artist, paris, the coup, dead prez, a lot of reggae,

ice-t, chuck d, rebellious, got out to lower class white suburbs

so profoundly influenced, tried to get hair cut like favorite basket ball player

couldn’t be more of a fan of the culture of what was spoon fed to be

by the corporate pimps,

hegemonized bling culture

nino brown, new jack city, whole thing of trying to be the white corporate business man ceo, take over, how cool that is, a lot of spike lee stuff, shed some light on what’s in the mind of a would be conscious white man, wants to care, want to give back, find good in bad

make sense of things

a lot of putting on table for you to put me in my place, take me down a notch, riff, rhyme, other well meaning white people, I was raising my fist, so down for the cause, show me where I can join forces and not be an annoyance

VS: feeling you,

the fact that world has been operating to cater to your breed as top of totem pole,

you love black culture, raising fist, think our society stills breaths it, swims in it, billboards,

something revolutionary, collectively on global level has to shift from top tiers, people can see things differently

colorism, we have different levels to this

field….or in the house

confronted in circles all the time, black me say I’m the only black woman they would ever date, you’re good cuz your light enough, or too dark

brain washing of colorism, so fucked up

there’s black people who’ll take the side of white man, hate themselves so much

world didn’t favor to them, classism within racism, thinking to themselves, talk white, look a certain way, may not know how, may not want to sign up to do

job interview, get on phone speak more “white” or more proper

theory programmed into brains, white is right

mexican woman, family came from mexico, had to assimilate into america, hispanics, white passing,

dismantling, becoming really aware, seeing with clear eyes, this is what’s been happening, more people privileged, can claim their human right

like whatever you like, culture, food

makes world beautiful

a lot to be talked about

white women favored more tan darkest women in the room

so many beautiful beautiful black woman

love all people, exotic

men not all thugs, many educated

such a shame that we are underneath this mind control

so brainwashed

we’re just people, just human being, friend trans, I’m not gay, not trans, not drag queen, I’m a human being, make more sense, more in touch with reality

attachments, pain and trauma

we could learn a much more rapid rate,

learn when I travel, how people living their lives in their culture

we put up such barriers

you’re different you like that

I’m better society tells me there’s this superiority

black privileges, educated,

dismantling, I’m not better than any body

just human beings

memes right now, world in uproar

great, most action I’ve seen, people showing some form of pushback, end of day

how often are we checking with ourselves, not better than so and so, all equal, not about me

actualizing the fact we’re all equal all human

how reclaim sacred space, gathering fellowship worshiping, christianity

TP: either admit Jesus was black or stop talking about Jesus

VS: wouldn’t that solve everything,

why are you all so judgemental, least open minded people, I’m gonna have the most problems with christians

TP: researching cults, blind spots, you don’t know what to watch out for

permaculture, balance with weeds, medicinal, edible, listen, pay attention, not poison them, ecologically literate, patterns lead to corruption with power, how do you prevent becoming a cult of personality

saying, those who don’t die a hero, live long enough to become a villain, really scary, studying that stuff, I want to have fans not followers, because of my art

charles manson, david koresh, documentary on cults, reason manson set cult devotees to kill famous people, basically jealousy over his failed music career

its so interesting, I’m only feeling the hilarity of this, pitfalls and traps of nacissism, permaculture, too much capital, pollution in nature, power money wealth influence, redistribute reinvesting, you think I’m so good at something tell me about what you’re so good at, you’re as important as I am, I’ll scrub toilets, rotate positions of power

what if everybody in a church ceremony was given equal time

indigenous way, every body including a grandmother read medicine plants in the landscape

work to be done around figuring out how to honor everybody’s contributions

dating game, racial politics of sexual, economics and politics around body types, ethnicity, film, based on true story, talk radio, based on guy, Eric Bogosian, jewish shock jock radio host, killed by right wing racist, can’t remember all the details scenes of him being in radio booth

taking calls, offending people, offensive to bigots, pissing people off, death threats, hate mail

line from movie, wants to expose people subconscious actual worship of exotic people, you know how much money white people spend on tanning booths, tan lotion, white people feel sexually inferior

I have been upstaged, from deep voice, size of the junk, to swagger, strut, soul,

Jerry McGuire, white man can’t love

do you see that that’s people loving each other

tight lipped having tiny lips,

white guy I can say this shit, I can make fun of my kind

I’ll say there’s an inferiority complex around having small lips, high pitch whiny voices, flat butts, flat chests, skin that gets burnt in the sun, you can see the veins through it, reason I have to be jealous of sexual prowess of people of color and african people

things going on genetically, so honorable, worshipable, reconcile, how do we not leave people out

I don’t want to over…

people in my life who’d say you’re an evil bastard, part of the patriarchy because you do enjoy exotic partners, you’re fetishing the other,

actually that’s natural biodiversity, jungle fever, go out of tribe, all of the world, person form another region, boom boom time to diversify gene people, love sees no color, no separate races, fighting losing battle, urge is to you know, white settlers ran off into native villagers, token white refugees

so much native american /african american blood mixing

if we were more poly and open we would find ways to appreciate and honor and enjoy the diversity,

even the whole breast thing, beyond race, very honest answer, matt dillon, singles, white romanic comedy, small breast groupie girlfriend, seattle grunge rocker, hour glass syndrome, rocker feels entitled , shuns gf, comes full circle

she says to him, are my breasts to small for you, he says sometimes, very honest

subplot, scheduling self to get boob job, doctor: is this mr right or mr maybe

more honest sometimes im in the mood for this, diverse experience, go out for this restaurant, diversity of romantic, sexual experience

I don’t have enough of something for somebody for every, diverse array of people, everyone’s covered

valuing everybody at different way different times


VS: so many powerful things, commend you for being open so raw, something humans don’t honestly say on any context, oh I’m so jealous, takes away with what’s there

taking to my french gf last night, never thought about it like this, I think racism is all this small dick complex, screen shots poster, someone protesting said that

something about being open, it could be open, I’m jealous that this girl has whatever xyz, growth in putting in on table

accept differences

commend you for being honest, saying that

I don’t know what its like to be a white man, you have swag in your own way

so beautiful, being confident saying what you’re saying

so much, powerful, impactful

thank for allowing me to go off

I don’t think I’ve felt comfortable with any body else

this is the time to do opposite of being more divided

love to see queer orgy make outs in the streets

arrest me with love

racist, bludgeon with police night stick, do anything but be on knees worshipping

shadow of jealousy, napolean dick complex

VS: conversations like this, getting there, take away the fog, not hate black women, dark skin women so much

treated different, we’re not ignorant, people born smart in their own way

bold enough confront self with honest,

how can I love myself more

TP: if you love self, want to see best and most beautiful in everyone else

take care of yourself, already beautiful, already god/goddess divine, just take care of yourself

ensemble cast of lovers

winners and losers, either get the girl, princess or oppressed slave

I would love to a woman to say to me, I like you, but I love this and that, what if I bring a wing man, can we get it all on together, I’ll be your booking agent

everybody plays different roles

some people I’m mr friday, some people I’m mr tuesday, as long as I’m not mr never to anybody, is be fine, goes both ways

can’t we all just get along

that’s my trip, sorry, adults only in my church

good times

VS: that’s great

back to horrific, world of pain and suffering and agony and disaster, we’re having almost too much fun, to pray and feel into the real terror that people are experiencing now, grief, morning, poverty despair, lack of abundance,

we lathered up some good energy, how can we give it back

people suffering, better vibes

VS: really tough right now, a lot of heavy stuff, I’m excited for the church, excited to see how conversation gets led, we’re strong, it’s in our blood, we’ve had to survive times like this before, ancestors did, do have hope, keep chugging along, very proud as black person to witness black people handle this so beautifully

not talking about looters, distressed

tiny percentage, news casters portraying it was a big percentage, what I’m witnessing, majority of black people, very commendable, strength, don’t see war, yes there’s anger,

beautiful how blacks are giving their white allies the opportunity to step in and show up how they need to show up

whether getting on knees or holding a door

blacks welcoming this healing process, already in it

feels like a healing

different access, food , education, resilience in black community from ancestors, chugging along so beautifully, be seen, heard, stand in power, have it not be taken away or stomped on or ignored, brink of brand new horizon, brand new awakening

chance to rise

empowered community

finally getting opportunity to hopefully rise

this is very hopeful time

Lucia Gabriela.

Walking the Path of Fire with Tantrika and Intimacy Coach Lucia Gabriela TPP285


In this episode I’m joined by Lucia Gabriela for a deep exploration of her personal tantric transformation and healing by walking a path of fire

About Lucia:

Lucia Gabriela helps individuals and couples to master their life, relationships and intimacy with themselves and others.

Her passion is to create a safe and sacred space for women and men to deeply explore many aspects of themselves, purge emotional and/or sexual traumas that are holding them back from manifesting what they desire, heal their inner child, embrace their shadows, connect with their higher self, reconnect with their own body’s wisdom, align with their true essence, live their higher potential, and master their sexual life in all realms. They can then create their life with awareness, maturity, self responsibility, radical self-love, and full commitment to explore their sexual and spiritual evolution.

Lucia Gabriela specializes and works with individuals whose journey is to free themselves from emotional and sexual traumas, and helps them to reclaim their creative power, body, voice, sensuality and sexuality plus to welcome pleasure into their lives, creations and relationships.

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My Non Verbatim Show Notes:


relationship and intimacy coach

help individuals struggling in relationship

go through different toxic relationships, marry multiple times, don’t know why they keep attracting same toxicity in life, help to break free from toxic patterns, behaviors, mindsets, energies

create relationship truly desire

deep level of intimacy, not carrying baggage in relationship

tantra facilitator

explore energy, consciousness, awareness, true self, deeper level

destroying what’s not serving us

path of fire, journey of fire

tantric principles, beautiful journey

reclaim power, voice, who they are here right now,

embrace, learn to love self at deeper level

work I do, I will say really excited, integrative somatic therapist

working with the mind, mindset, body, emotions, energy heart soul

multi dimensional part of self

release traumas, stories that are stuck in our body

blocking our energies

creative self, kundalini system, sometimes block root chakra, sacral, naval, power is,

power also in heart, power to be in body of humanity, grounded rooted, moving forward, safe secure, so many blockages we have in those areas

somatic work, releasing energy blocking you

releasing emotions blocking you

so passionate about work I do, why I help individuals and couples

younger age myself, able to explore different realms of shamanism, energy, grew up in ecuador, home country

exposed to different aspects of life, of healing

same time, integrative holistic homeopathic home, that was my medicine, doctors holistic

fascinating, developed cancer at age of 15, family in shock, how did this happen

I knew reason, as a child, age of 5, didn’t fit in on this planet, called myself alien, not from this planet, couldn’t understand why people were so violent, abuse

family was holistic, spiritual, catholic, good food, natural food,

aspect of irony, very emotionally abusive environment

everything looking good, even sexuality, very open, about sexuality, nudity, about men walking naked in house

very interesting, great elements placed in my life, emotional part, missing out

became suicidal for 10 years, used to pray for the bad for me, pray for I don’t want to live, I want god to take me away

look at stars, when are you guys coming to pick me up, I can’t be on this planet any longer, in this body

feeling pain and suffering from other people

cancer, knew it was because I was asking that for myself

when it happened, discovered through appendix, pain in appendix in middle of night

heard voice, you asked to die, this is a taste of it, in shock

I asked this my whole life, now facing death, unknown pain, healthy girl, sports, competitive sports, eating healthy, doctor says I’m good

so good, camo emotional pain

facing death

this cannot be, I have my mom, my sister to take care of, at that age, I became the protector of my mom and sister from dad abuse

tough girl, stand up to dad, put him in place

shocking to be like, what’s gonna happen to my family if I leave this planet

wake up call, where is this going

I have to live, I have a purpose to live now

through that journey, went into deeper levels of spiritualism

shamanic realm,

candles, energy, homeopathic, still wasn’t integrated, still wasn’t there for me at my core

journey for 2 years, exploring and learning gnosis

science of knowledge, through journey, explore tantra, kama sutra, buddhism, hinduism, languages, golden languages, meditation, breath work, kundalini

beautiful healing process

didn’t go through kemo, radiation, any protocols, blessed at age of 15, recommended surgery, wanted to remove organs, live rest of life with feeding tube, probably wouldn’t be a live,

no I’m not doing that

path of holistic medicine

gonna heal it

I know why I did it, I know what’s going on, I’m gonna heal it

doctor looked at me like somebody possessed me

knew at that moment, my emotions that need to change, change perspective of life

must come to agreement with my body, be in harmony with myself

live in integrity with feeling

be able to be myself and love myself

love nature

love why I’m here

have a purpose in life

purpose to be on this planet

not waiting for alien friend to come pick me up

I’m hear on earth for a purpose, here to create something amazing, I’m gonna get there

that was the first awakening, catalyst during my life

we can study everything

all these books, watch all these videos, all these podcasts, and everything, information is great, but is not all of it

always excited to share with people, its important for us to take what we’re learning

look for message

integrate in life


takes time for us to really truly integrate what we have learned, experienced, discovered about ourselves

owners of our life

own knowledge we’ve been exposed to

what happened is that I moved to the us

knowledge of relationships


met ex-husband

another wake up call

discovered self to go into insecure self, being loved

wanted to be chose, seen, got infatuated

seeing this person as my prince on white horse, rescue me of something

new in country didn’t speak english that well, husband was prince

used my own knowledge about energy

magic rituals, law of attraction, candles, crystals, influence energy, do moon rituals to make this person want me and chose me and love me, send gifts, messages

ended up with this person, had child, being married

7 years together, one of most toxic relationships of my life,

younger said I would never marry someone like my father

learning about boundaries, awareness, psyche, attracted so one who was very nice on the surface, deeper level anger issues, shadows

we all have shadows

integrate shadows to be able to heal

very toxic abusive relationship, after separation, process of divorce, domestic violence, custody

I was so infatuated, own power of influence, rituals, white magic, bring somebody in my life, happened to be I was actually doing dark magic against myself

karma got back to me really bad

not just toxicity we create being our selves, toxicity we allow other people to vomit on us when they have own issues own struggles

been working past 35 years of my life, turn 40 this year, awareness of emotions energy,

how we relating, what we’re creating, taking full responsibility for everything

embracing victim

get out of victimhood, step into empowered self

to be integrity, responsible, accountable

now in beautiful relationship, partnership

very blessed to have partner that is aware and conscious

past 5 years, explore things about myself, shadows, holding space

a person who has learned with me, together, hold space for our struggles

our shadows, darkness, weakness, strength

be there for each other, hold each other accountable, if we fuck it up

coming from place of love, seeing other person as amazing incredible being that they are

everything I create is based on what I have gone through in my own life

do share and teach and coach from what I have learned in my own life, 90% of my work, the remain from amazing mentors in my life

that’s my story

I am in this beautiful space, even though covid-19, beautiful space, grateful I have the tools to hold space for my emotions and feelings and allow myself to get upset, frustrated, tools for going from one energetic field to the next one, not suppress anything in my body

one of biggest issues, society, suppress everything, numb ourselves, alcohol, drugs

may not be prepared to face what must be faced

that is who I am,

here to answer any questions that you may have, conversation can be juicy

TP: archetypal, what humanity’s been going through

where do you feel the word patriarchy, critique of toxic masculine, be interested to hear about,

sophisticated analysis of the paradox of all these blessings, cursings, slight imbalance can take hold, skew path

antedote is in poison, wounded healer, personal insight, move people with your story, help them move beyond

meta narrative, story of how this world became as toxic as it is, environment, businesses, government, businesses collude, macro force, part of your story?

Tantric story of goddess, shiva shakti, demons in tantra, goddesses have to fight them with their powers, very symbolic of this imbalance of those energies

thoughts, how did we get here to this point of hell on earth

LG: I would say, we are actually living, hell is the most amazing place to purge what is not actually us, hell as the place where we can really learn so much about our self, blessing in there, really learn to know, what are we really made of, what are not made of

when it comes to working with masculine, feminine, patriarchy, matriarchy,

earth level, aspect of separation and division, polarized so many things, separation, division, see somebody that does not look like us, a lot of conditioning, programming happening, masculine, feminine, woman man, patriarchy, matriarchy, put ourselves in boxes, can’t really see the greater picture

I address aspect, not much of masculine feminine, see it from a more cosmic universal perspective, permission to feel energy, feel space, feels and vibration as they are without giving them any definition, naming, title

I have run close to 300 live events, at the beginning of running tantric events, working with masculine/feminine, many books, backgrounds tell us masculine is this way, feminine is this way

females crazy, chaotic, masculine more grounded

when we go from that perspective, we’re really conditioning everyone to act in a certain way, put people in boxes, even spirit in box, spirit can not be contained in a box

experiment, guide amazing people at events, festival, clearing statements, destroying all beliefs, everything we have learned, read, knowledge about masculine feminine, female male,

clear the energetic field in our space, to feel without description

very fascinating, okay invite you tap into your masculine, switch to feminine

honoring both aspects of self

feedback from people

when they got into the essence of space of just feeling the energy of masculine, totally opposite of what the book said, had this energy, that would be recognized as feminine, many times concept of feminine, feeling this energy supposed to be energies of masculine

the more we did this, did with myself, feeling in own body, recognizing masculine/feminine within myself

energies would flow, same and equal

on thing I got one of my meditation practices, degree of difference, related to the mind,

mind was the one that created the degree of difference, put in boxes

fascinating to explore that for years

honor concept of masculine and feminine, great beginning to start, but it’s not all this, so much more than that

invite individuals to come to source

come out of that separation of divinity as god/goddess, come higher than that

helping individuals to start recognizing energies

recognize energies

one of greatest things I experienced in life

less judgement, less tension, less disagreement, more acceptance, more compassion

talking about energy

not saying you’re the man, you’re supposed to this, do that

because I’m not seeing my partner of a title, box, see my partner as a free being

master of his energetic field

partner be able to hold space, container, instead of saying be more of man, more of masculine, I would say I need support, hold a container

I hold huge containers, working with trauma, must hold strong container

talk about aspect of energy, alignment with energies vs. what they’re supposed to do because of title

broader way of relating to somebody, do still address the aspect of conditioning about man and woman

thousands of years, patriarchy

we see dynamic, pretty much all about conflict of power,

programmed for thousands of years

getting out of programming

difference in gender, controlled in specific way, coming to this era of recognizing who we are more as a being, than gender

being itself

cosmic universal energies

no gender feelings. No polarization

energetic realms, really important for us to understand, yes we run into all these energies, universal energies, up to us which muscle we build

understand the psychological consequences of programming, who’s in power, who’s in control, who’s gonna dominate what

I would say more domineering, times

who feels that is lacking power, decides to control a population of society, vs their own struggles

I’m struggling and I don’t know my own power, I’m gonna be so domineering and toxic, control the one that’s weaker

the one that are strong I’m gonna make them weaker

fulfill own need of feeling important, significant, because I’m so disconnected from myself

what we’re seeing in society, a blessing in disguise

opportunity to see how much are we really disconnected from ourselves

TP: transcend gender binary, makes people defensive, partnership societies, now dominator societies, thousands of years, before there was more of a balance

first peoples, paleolithic peoples, hunter gatherers, different ways to look out how societies have evolved

when I discovered tantra, it worked for me compared to spiritual paths about austerity

tantra about passion, pleasure, full body experience

anthropology, return to balance of power

notion, idea that the simplist way I could explain tantra, dualistic dancing energies, can also be warring energies, within ourselves, inner marriage, inner alchemy, shiva, shakti, practice of tantra, kundalini rising, create triangle

two poles, meet at the apex of top of center of triangle, transcending the gender binary, merging into oneness with the god head/goddess

diagonal path, meet in the middle, be united, empowering narrative for transcending gender binaries, and so called war of the sexes

love that you’ve said the path of fire, first time of heard, beautiful way to do that inner work

do that shadow work

from your perspective what kind of paths of tantra have you explored, do you feel the promise is we can transcend duality

LG: fire is one of my favorite elements, my partner sometimes argue with me, really want to , there’s other path for alchemy

tantra, alchemical path, radical transformation of individual self, explore amazing awakening of sensuality, sexuality, pleasure, comes because we have to earn it, aspect of alchemy, we must earn it, element of fire

when you can look at the elements, water, destroy, wind destroy, hurricane, tornado, leave debris, chaos behind, earthquake using earth, leave chaos behind, fire, ashes left behind,

if you decide to destroy something that is not serving, the fire will destroy it

even biblical times, bible, the humans ourselves, created from ashes, go back to ashes, created from the dust, go back to dust, created from powder, go back to it

beautiful cycle, transform, must destroy, purity fire can offer to us

path of tantra, path of fire and alchemy and transformation, evolution, what we must destroy is everything we know, think we are, everything we are

allow ourselves to be reborn, into another aspect of ourself

TP: so honest, a lot of people in new age, want to sell some path, its usually they’re not forth right about the challenge of it, conflict, struggle, unpleasantness,

with tantra I appreciate the authenticity of it

marketing for people to want to clean up what they’ve been shoving under carpet to have incentive

combust toxic material, have greater love, warmth, the idea of composting, from gardening, turning your mind weeds into fertile soil for what you want to have their

emotions, thought forms

people running each other ragged in toxic relationships, that’s a lot of energy, could be used for magic, creativity, design, optimizing that

not all bliss bunnies

my friend said it best once, yeah people just want the “yums”

you won’t appreciate them unless you have the yucks too

LG: invite people to recognize, path of tantra, path of destruction, must embrace a destroyer, kali, a destroyer, for us to be able to plant a seed we must nurture the soil, but we have to destroy what was behind that, if you have weed on that soil, other things that doesn’t work, rock, you have to prepare it, that’s called destruction, destroy what was there to be able to prepare for what is coming,

we have to embrace the dark part of ourselves as destroyers, the shadow part of ourselves, really come to aspect of integration, tantra, shiva shakti, aspect of fusion, coming to oneness, cosmic universal unity that is so authentic, so connected with everything

beyond the matrix, beyond the cosmic, feel the heart beat of another planet, of orion, of another cosmos

connected to that realm, integration, fusion

same aspect must happen with dark and light

learning to love ourselves and our darkness, our shadow, learning to appreciate power of shadow, power of light

not about being a pleasure seeker, tantra about being an alchemical seeker

being of integrative evolution

not just about g-spot, orgasm, teach sex magic, yeah we can do that

but I have an awareness, I can teach you have to have great sex, kama sutra, how to touch the body, how to, techniques

TP: great introduction, riveted, a lot more to explore in future episodes,anything you want to share,

LG: luciagabriela.com, webinars, love after toxic relationship, online classes around how to create boundaries, manage and go from triggered to bliss, how to go from that experience to feeling more blissful, creating sensual alchemist training program

learning to embody sensuality, different aspect of archetype, also with shadows, powerful deep journey, decide to go deeper, go to core of what holding you back, stopping you from being who you are, intake form fill out, discovery call, complementary, see how I can help you, invitation is there

TP: blessed way to start my day, glad we’ve been about to connect, moving forward through time of crisis, take this time to start to do that work, reach out to folks doing this great work


Ashley Manta Smoking Cannabis

Best Practices for Sexual Healing Using Cannabis with Ashley Manta TPP283


In this episode I’m joined by the world’s foremost expert on the use of cannabis for sexual pleasure, exploration, and healing

About Ashley:

Ashley Manta is an award-winning sex educator and coach and has become a leading authority on mindfully combining sex and cannabis as part of her CannaSexual® brand. She recently completed her certification as a Bodysex® Facilitator after studying with legendary pleasure pioneer Betty Dodson. Ashley was named Sexpert of the Year at the January 2020 XBiz Awards. Her work has received recognition in Forbes, The London Times, Newsweek, Rolling Stone, and more. She is a brand ambassador for Sybian and Foria. Her book, The CBD Solution: Sex will be published by Chronicle Books and Merry Jane in September 2020.
Podcast: www.elevatedintimacypodcast.com (Also available on iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Play)
Online courses: www.elevatedintimacy.com

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:


buffet of me

am sex and relationship coach

sex ed 13 years

start out of college, sexual violence prevention education

rape crisis counseling, victim advocacy

sexual assault awareness prevention

high schools and colleges

women’s center on campus

well rounded approach in trauma

such powerful work

healing for me as survivor, helping other survivors

high burn out

pivot, sex ed on health and wellness

planned parenthood,

in PA

moved to CA

ceiling on how high I could rise on east coast, sex negative attitudes

CA, openness around cannabis, alternative forms of sexuality, holistic wellness

2013, access to medical cannabis

changed game for me, dispensery, want to feel this or that

watershed moment

pain with penetration as result of trauma

product, thc infused oil for vulvas/yonis

decrease discomfort, increase pleasure

product changed my life

penetrative sex without pain first time as adult, game changer

started writing, speaking at events

one of leading experts on sex and cannabis in the world


amazing, feel you on all that stuff, listening and appreciating you have taken up that roll, surprising for me, and others

earth’s best kept secret, topicals, more herbal alchemy to get some of the places where its needed most, different kind of experience psychologically, different strains, stereotype around edibles making you crazy, body highs, different textures, how do you speak/present, what you should expect, absorb through tissues, nerve endings through those pathways


botanical ambassador, speak for the plants

one of most pervasive myths, sex and cannabis, you have to be stoned, stoned sex,

if you apply to body, it’s not gonna get you high, really useful, some folks don’t want to be high

flexibility, interact with plant medicine without intoxicating effects

things that will get you high, inhalation, ingesting, sublinguals, be mindful of smoking

effects rapidly 5-15 minutes, edibles, up to 2 full hours to feel effects

digestive track

thc goes through digestive system turns into 11 hydroxy, sedate, body focused version of thc, edible high different

edibles aren’t gonna make you crazy, however very very easy to overdo

guestimating, story dispensary, start too high

10mg take you on quite a ride

be very mindful about ways in which they interact with any kind of plant medicine

feel in, be present with experience, always add more later, impossible to subtract

TP: edibles face, I’m thinking everything at once, had some doozies, myself, took long time to realize, shouldn’t be potent, in something you’re gonna wanna take whole bites of and scarf down, cookies and brownies, should stuff a chili

how you describe effect of sensations apply to very sensitive genital tissues, how does it alter sensitivity of areas

AM: multifacited approach, everybody experiences differently, depends on how your body interacts, tolerance body chemistry, hormone levels

anything I’m gonna tell you, effects to look out for, grain of salt, mileage may very

broadly speaking thc is vasodialator, blood vessels capillaries to expand

more blood flow to area, mimicking arousal

swelling, in a good way, erections, notice tissue, blushing, thc when applied, kind of an important thing

more blood flow, more responsive tissue, hightened sensitivity

cbd, all the rage, cool, useful, not quite panacea, placebo, marketing, is helpful, manage expectation

cbd good for anti inflammatory, helpful if you have swelling that’s not good

inflammed tissues from trauma

if you’re playing with body chemistry do talk to doctor

due diligence

for me been to dozens of doctors, pain with penetration, no one could help me

thc reduction of discomfort

thc/cbd work well together

absence of discomfort, diminished discomfort

hightened sensitivity,

stamina, multiple orgasms

increased production of vaginal fluids, wetness from topicals

vasodialation, top reason

kick off lube centers

I’m a fan

TP: thanks so much, first time I thought about how it seems like the more holistic approach to erectile dysfunction, people might try this before they try something more big pharma-ish

something you’ve researched with clients

ED issue folks?

AM: I take a very holistic approach to ED, in my work with clients, really like to decentralize the phallus, sex can occur at different levels, less of I’m not hard so we can have sex, mouths, hands, toys, …

cock rings, reach for help create harder more sustained erections

with cannabis and erections very much, be very careful, threshold helpful, increase blood flow, very easily cross into “stoner boner” you can’t

erections more active process, if really distracted, really stoned, may not be able to focus enough on erection

try small small doses, see how works for you, holistic approach, dick doesn’t have to be hard to have a good time sexually, all these other things I can do,

TP: to your point, you’ve mentioned this before, decentralize the phallus hashtag,

from my experience I could see that decentralizing the phallus process, a lot of other folks like myself, working with other men, teach to have more mastery, awareness, stages of arousal, more in control of premature ejaculation, maintaining erections, arch of testosterone

can definitely bring attention, through self pleasure, more of a tantric lingam massage experience, wouldn’t want to have to maintain an erection to get someone else off, if just doing you or someone else just doing you

on that note, don’t know if something you administer, knowledge/experience

sexological body workers

pelvic massage work

AM: haven’t interfaced directly in formal sense, I do some hands on work in my practice

oils to play parties, tends to go really well

these oils are meant to be a marinade, don’t work in real time, actually much more effective for vulva/yoni more so than penises, unless you stick dick in jar for 20 minutes, don’t have some absorption as vulva

TP: enter the mangina

AM: certainly do anal absorption, suppositories, rectal absorption, very effective great for prostate, anal play,

penises, inhalation, ingestion, method more effective with regard to sexuality and pleasure, topicals for penises not super effective, a few folks works awesome, others, makes it terrible

TP: eventually formal studies, I am myself uncut, uncircumcized, can’t really compare in one life time to either, a plus for my absorption, this makes me also wonder if you have advice for strains for either smokable or edible that would be more exciting, stimulating for maintain erections, fun to have a stoner boner that works

AM: nice when that works out, not able to give specific, how going to work for you and body, everybody’s different strain that works for you and your body not work for someone else

strains can be different

things that make a different, even indica sativa

have to put on science hat, read lab results

turpines end up shaping experience

completely subjective

not exact science, not as easy as oh yeah smoke this and that will work for you

TP: emotional labor of doing trauma advocacy work, curious if you have adapted the cannasexual practices/teachings/offerings, for people who, physical pain, pathways advise people on to integrate different forms of cannabis in more psychospiritual healing tool kit for sexual trauma

AM: examine what’s getting in the way, pain, stress, stuck in head, flashbacks, disconnected from body, try different cannabis products see what’s useful in that area

random strain, gambling, don’t know how it’s gonna hit you, intention

more effective to get clear on what it is that you’re going for

for me, pain with penetration, topical really useful

injury from accident or trauma, knee, wrist

mental block, getting triggered, feeling disconnected from body, things you can inhale, different strains, which one is helpful to quite down voice in head

feel sensations in body

no one thing is gonna heal your trauma

not gonna be cannabis, or session with healer

awareness around body needs, communicate in real time

therapeutic professional

trauma healing journey, not just one shot, did this now I’m fixed

never want someone to say ashley said I can help my trauma with cannabis

it can help, it’s a tool

diagnosed ptsd


I’ve had to go through this initiation with cannabis over the years, life hacker, bio hacker thing, figuring out how to mitigate and minimize episodes of paranoia, don’t want to say overdose

gardening, green thumb/brown thumb

start with mint, rosemary, vs tomato, dries out, get triggered traumatized, brown thumb, a lot of times cannabis, negative formative experiences, sets them up for continue failure,

general advice around mitigating bad trip for smoking or eating weed

AM: overconsumption issue, thc has biphasic effect, opposite effect at high and low doses, subjective, broadly appropriate doses for you body, chemistry, likely to feel euphoria, relaxation, pain relief, hungry, social, spacey overall pleasant

when crosses over level, transitions into paranoia, nausea, dizziness, panick attacks, rapid heart rate, threw up once after a dab, more than system could handle

avoid that, low and slow

if somebody’s handing you something you’ve never had before, what do I need to know about this

cannabis events, last few years, stations set up people walk up and do a dab, vaporizing cannabis concentrate, 50-90% thc, average flower strain smoking, between 10 and 30 % thc, way more than would normally get in just a breath

way too much, have a bad time

or take an edible wait 30 minutes, don’t feel anything, take more, then 1.5 hours later, regretting all life choices in order

on that ride for 4-6 hours with edibles, can’t over stress importance of low and slow, think microdosing

TP: so useful, pivotal bit of insight

overdosing it’s that simple

you overdosed, if you drank too much alcohol the first time…

AM: usually don’t say overdose, OD means you’re gonna die, you’re not, even if you consumed shit tons of thc, you may wish you were dead, but you will not die, you cannot toxically overdose on thc, you can over consume

TP: overconsume, psychological stomach ache

AM: or actual stomach ache, small dab take me into next year

TP: kids these days, ok boomer, I filled in for somebody at a booth, trade show conference, everyone smokin themselves silly, all the people half my age, dabbing like it was going out of style, I didn’t take anything, just sitting there, worst splitting headache, chemical, felt like inhaling burnt tires

studies, is there any other words of caution around dabbing, vaping,

AM: dabbing and vaping, both vaporizing, vaping referring to vap pens, typically people seem to not get as, potency scale, flower not as potent as vape pens, not as potent as dabs, potency spectrum

very limited studies, require money, people not putting money into any of those things

lot of fears last year, vape pens issues with lungs, vap cartridges not idea method

problematic companies, putting bad products on market, cutting with vitamin e oil, counterfit products,

buying vape cartridge from gas station, think about what you’re buying

5 star restaurant or fast food, pay for quality, price point

do research on companies that are reputable

lab results, show they don’t have pesticides, microbials, savvy consumer, go low, less processed the better, organic lifestyle, closer it is to coming out of the ground, pesticides, molds, read lab results, be a savvy consumer

vaping flower is arguably the best way to inhale cannabis, because you are getting the cannabanoids at lower temperature, more effective, opposed to 1000 degree lighter, smoke in lungs, not great, be easier on lungs, may be better choice to consider

vaping flower

dabs be mindful of extraction method, butane, c02, heat and pressure, called rosin, my fav, very holistic, very nature, flower squish between 2 hot pieces of metal, organic, yummy, preserve turpines, broad spectrum flavor profile, do research

internet is vast resource a lot of shit out there, good stuff too

sex and cannabis professional alliance

articles all about sex and cannabis, one member is harvard md, two members, colleague sex educator, product formulator, robust group of experts, tips and insights

TP: awesome, in general from horticulture, eating utensils, moving away from heating up plastic in all sectors of life

old fashioned, I know about water pipes and chillums, one hitters, roaches, blunts, don’t know about high tech stuff millenials running around with, do like the notion of vaporizing, old giant magic ball looking things

opportunities to say, glass and metal only, very few plastic parts, for burning mechanism, imagine people are heating up a lot of plastic, I’m a wrong

AM: don’t see a lot of plastic in materials, in terms of the was in which you would consume, don’t see a ton of plastic, doesn’t stand up to heat, metal, glass, ceramic,

fav vap, vap exhale, desktop vaporizer, outside is plastic, never gets heated, everything that gets heated is either metal or glass, convection vaporizer, set temperature, lot of those on the market

ghost vaps, dozens, possibly hundreds

find the ones that are most inline with your values

TP: that’s a great introduction to cannasexual expertise, want to spend time talking about general sex coaching

certain modality traditions, how would you introduce that sector of the buffet of you

AM: not like most people, a little different, trauma informed, queer, body positive, inclusive coach, intend to be as thoughtful about things like trauma, body dysmorphia, gender, …as possible

masters program, philosophy, existentialism, western philosophy, inform the way I approach issues, question assumptions, reframing limiting beliefs

recommend folks have therapist and a sex coach

coaching if future oriented, solutions focus, where are you and where do you want to be and what’s getting in the way

opposed to how did you get this way, how do you want to integrate that into your narrative

TP: interesting, rebel, alternative, do you have advice for people who, its interesting when you have a client who is walking between worlds of orthodox therapeutic offerings and then having to reconcile 2 different voices and influences, do you feel like you ever clash with the mainstream therapeutic modalites, or stay in a lane where there’s no friction, is that possible

AM: so many varieties of mainstream, not all align with my values, from tantra, sex education, things I don’t agree with

I diverge, very inclusive don’t rely on gender binary, people with vulvas and people with penises, to not gender

hippie woo-woo witch, lot of focus on crystal healing, egg crystals in pussy

dangerous to be putting porous materials

toxic shock

TP: I don’t know enough about, I refer people out, to zoom in on that a bit, do you feel like, I’m sold, reports of women, as a penis having person, the experience of making love to a vulvaed person who has a yoni egg of some variety of material, their dexterity with pc muscles sense of awareness of themselves, nothing comes close and I never want to go back, the egg thing is something I’m sold on, still confused around what is safe or unsafe, to what degree, could we zoom in on that

AM: its a materials issue, there have been kegel balls, yoni egg is fancy hippie woo woo word for kegel balls, putting circular shaped item into vagina, using it to focus on clenching and releasing pelvic muscles, nothing wrong with that, that’s great, mindful in development, really great, no issue

it’s a material issue, crystals are not things you should put into vagina, however if you want a kegel ball made of silicone, of which there are many, or glass or metal or any other nonporous material, you’re golden

against idea, new age, rose quartz, heal me from inside, if we’re talking about energy, doesn’t have to be touching, it’s all magic, put on pubic mound…should have same effect

crystal healing, I use…i’m a fan…i don’t put them inside, porous material, can get bacteria embedded you cannot cleanse away, even soak with alcohol, soap and water, can’t completely sterilize them

bacterial vaginosis, yeast infection, reinfect yourself,

not supposed to leave it in for 6 hours a day

not good, to keep pc muscles clenched all day long

you have to relax, and contract, important to be able to both

most people with vulvas have too much tension

missing from yoni egg conversation, I’m gonna put this rose quartz in my pussy and it’s gonna heal all my shit…no no no, let’s not get carried away

TP: happy medium, just be mindful about mitigating risks, not going all in or all out, interesting

AM: you could put in condom, crystal core in middle of metal or silicon toy, but just throw a condom on it, that’s fine

TP: keep it simple stupid

AM: don’t over think it, rectally, don’t want to put anything in your ass that doesn’t have a bass

TP: sidebar, I’m good to go, coming close to good hour, feeling like, plenty for people to take notes on, give you some time to get back on track with exploration of your general sex coaching offerings, tell people how they can find you

AM: sex coaching primary work with women identified folks and couples, client based presently, all my sessions via zoom, don’t have to worry about vicinity, every once in awhile, in person, vip clients,

clients all over the place

coaching is definitely premium for good reason, really work hard with clients, give all tools at my disposal, resources, books I’ve read, things I’ve gathered into professional tool kit, offerings if coaching is not in your financial purview

podcast, free, access to my brain, not able to work with me

elevated intimacy, everywhere podcasts are available, really really great opportunity to get access

destin gerek on a few episodes ago, his new book, great opportunity for folks to get free knowledge


hand sex master class

dirty talk quick start guide, email list

first to hear when dirty talk course is available for purchase, excited to offer online courses, privacy, own time, exciting offering

couples retreat in Jamaica, plan, end of october, over halloween weekend, sex and cannabis couples retreat, at cannabis friendly resort


phone sex operator for a year, very much my wheel house, teaching dirty talk, easy for me, want to make it easy for other people

TP: I’ve been phone sex operator myself, should be general requirement for any sales, marketing, college track to be able to speak with confidence

phoriawellness.com coupon code cannasexual, save 10%

Gender, Sacred Sexuality and Spirit Work with Lee Harrington TPP215


Lee Harrington Pic

In this episode I’m very pleased and honored to be joined by the highly accomplished Lee Harrington, he is one of those very precious “where have you been all my life” kind of sapiosexual soul mates that you feel like you could talk with forever and ever.

I knew this was going to be a deep, profound, enlightening, and transformative journey. His  perspectives on sexual healing, liberation, and empowerment are vast, multi-dimensional, and infinitely thought provoking. I’m looking forward to many ongoing explorations, it felt like we barely massaged the surface.

He shares his personal background of transitioning from being born assigned female to becoming a man,  developing personal practices and group opportunities to experience sacred kink, working as an adult performer, becoming an international sacred sexuality educator and advocate, and so much more.

Our dialog felt like a free-style jam where we riffed off each other’s musings, laments, and future-positive affirmations and visioneerings. It felt like a bit of collaborative improvisational spell craft; all intended to expand love, acceptance, compassion, and co-operation.

We dance with language and he provides insight into ways to evolve the terminologies we use to define “us and them” and when appropriate, transcend to more of a continuum than a dichotomy. I’m hopeful with the application of Lee’s wisdom teachings, we’ll move towards an unprecedented global village where a new “us with them” paradigm will replace the “us and them” and “us vs them” binaries.

About Lee:

Lee Harrington is an internationally known spiritual and erotic authenticity educator, gender explorer, eclectic artist, and award-winning author and editor on sexual and sacred experience. He is a nice guy with a disarmingly down to earth approach to the fact that we are each beautifully complex ecosystems, and we deserve to examine the human experience from that lens. He has been an academic and female adult film performer, a world class sexual adventurer, an outspoken philosopher, is a kink/bondage expert, and has been blogging about sex and spirituality since 1998. His books include “Sacred Kink: The Eightfold Paths of BDSM and Beyond,” “Traversing Gender: Understanding Transgender Realities,”“Playing Well With Others: Your Guide to Discovering, Exploring and Negotiating the Kink, Leather and BDSM Communities”(with Mollena Williams), “Shibari You Can Use: Japanese Rope Bondage and Erotic Macramé,” and others.  You can find Lee’s podcast, tour schedule, free essays, videos, and more over at www.PassionAndSoul.com

Race, Gender, and Tantra Makeovers with Kamali Minter TPP74


Kamali Minter pic In this episode I was joined by fellow tantra instructor Kamali Minter and had the profound honor and privilege of co-creating a verbal vision board for a harmonious tantric future. It was a blessing to have her share wisdom and offer guidance that can help humanity peacefully and lovingly integrate and overcome the shadows of race and gender politics. We also discuss what personal, cultural, and ecological “tantra makeovers” might look like as divine feminine consciousness continually expands internally and externally.

Please visit her website at:

About Kamali:
Kamali’s passionate about transformation through art, movement, breath, and sound. She fuses her knowledge of Tantra, Taoism, Yoga, Relationship and filmmaking, to create opportunities for us to experience the Love that we are. She is a trained Tantra teacher and Reiki Master, and has been certified through Tao-Tantric Arts and Embody Tantra. She did her 200 YTT with Shivakali Yoga. And is learning more classical lineage practice from Nita Rubio. Other influences include Alison Armstrong, Marianne Williamson, Kathleen Dayvolt, and many more. Her approach to healing is about making ancient wisdom relevant to our modern lives by guiding practices that have been used for thousands of years to reach enlightened states, in ways that are accessible and fun.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello their beloveds welcome to Township Funk podcast episode number 74 I’m here again with Kamali Minter we had a podcast recording that we did recently and for some reason the goddess squashed by voice and her voice was loud and clear and I tried to salvage it but then just realized that things are usually easier the second time and there’s probably a reason to shift the the context a bit so too kind of preface where we’re coming from we were talking about a tantra makeover of ourselves of our communities and if the future of life on Earth and really turning into race and gender issues and how we can all work together to build a beautiful future using this technology and we were kind of getting into the indicting a lot of the transgressions of patriarchal behavior in misogynistic behavior in the institutionalized racism in after talking again about how we could maybe even transcend that conversation which was super potent would be too kind of set up a dialogue where it’s the future already and we’re kind of looking back on how we overcame a lot of those hindrances to the True Glory that we all want to experience so thank you for bearing with that that long breakfast and come only if you would be so kind to again introduce yourself and tell us the beautiful story of your path of Tantra and then we can go from there sure be my pleasure thank you for having me back and I think it’s actually was thinking of you were talking how Tantra cat was that original conversation that destroyed and yeah I am currently teaching Tantra love and intimacy coaching and it’s kind of the last thing that I ever saw coming in my path I stumbled across Tantra probably over about 10 years ago now when I have been doing a lot of training to heal from some wounding you know around relationships particular relationships with men is healing my relationship with my father after my parents divorce and healing from his infidelity and things that it happened around that and I was in a relationship and I was very much in love with and we were best friends but we just had completely different approaches to sex and that part wasn’t working at all I’ve been doing a lot of reading and speaking and searching about relationship and love and marriage and connection and socks and then of course in that search Tantra pops onto my Horizon and it was the first time that the idea that spirituality and sexuality weren’t separate things had been introduced to me and being a person who’d been kind of a spiritual Seeker into meditation and all kinds of other spiritual modalities for a good part of my life this was the first time that I entertained or even imagined that there could be a connection between my spirituality in my sexuality so I was kind of hooked from that initial and as I started to explore my with my first teacher Charlie Morgan and more of the Neo Tantra World initially the pool was about like how do I have better sex with my guy how do I have you no more Connection in the end in get this sort of fulfillment or satisfaction out of intimacy and out of my sex life that I was not experiencing but it ended up becoming the medicine Tantra itself became the medicine I didn’t know that I needed to actually thought the blocks around my heart that were keeping me from intimacy with everything in life prior to Tantra I thought it was a pretty open person I was race social I knew how to be with people consider myself very loving and generous but I would simultaneously walked around with this leg tightness or constriction in my body a lot of fear and Mild anxiety and all these different ways that I went about service protecting and putting on a mask or different faces to interact with people so I I did not even really realize that I was not showing up as my authentic self in my own life and that I was not allowing life to really touch me for fear of it hurting and that was showing up in my personal relationships but they’re showing up in different ways everywhere and Tantra was the path that actually started to mirror this back to me as it broke me open to a whole nother way of existing so through my own practice I have developed this deep love affair and appreciation for what Tantra actually is and it is so much more than what it was introduced me as initially in terms of the its connection to sexuality over time I’ve come to find discover and start to practice more classical Tantra and get more in to sadhna and Mantra and yantras and goddess work and it’s become the biggest source of my personal empowerment and for breaking me open both energetically but also emotionally and learning how to Source my power from a very natural connected place and add to a place where it was time for me to start sharing what I had learned what I didn’t know was part of the past is that at some point you have to share what you’ve been given when that came up you know this little boy sounds like it’s time to teach and I was like no but the teaching path is really just become another way of continuing to grow and deepen our on this spiritual journey so yeah awesome do you want to say a few words about some of the peak experiences of being opened up and what the circumstances were if they’re not well to graphic although anything goes on this podcast some of the pieces like before I even got into working with my Sexual Energy in new ways some of the first stages and it’s the way that I teach now is was really about the melting or the song out of places where I was holding onto a lot of tension both physically and emotionally so just learning things about how to touch and be touched tenderly learning things about how to allow my breath to make love to me actually started to tenderize me in a way I didn’t even know I needed to be tenderize I was I really prided myself on being like this independent woman who he no like I wasn’t as tough as the boys you know and other way I did that mostly was to have a pretty hard shell around me and in a lot of ways and so as I thought out and started to learn about the power in my Yoni the power in my vagina and how to start to tap into that power and let it move through me I didn’t have to find my protection through that hardening anymore like I could soften in my body are there that was interacting with a person or making or having a making love with my partner I could soften and let someone in and know that there was another kind of power that was going to keep me safe Anna wow I like to definitely Shakti rules of the universe cuz that’s awesome and then do you want to talk about exactly what you’re offering sorry when we can give the web links again at at the end but I’m just curious how you’ve woven your journey into certain teachings that are unique to your gifts bring there something better rise kind of like an artist they get inspired by whatever I’m learning I’m or have learned and what I’m hearing or listening to around me and you know people in My Tribe and out there in the world than like oh we need some of this medicine right now so but mostly I am I tried to offer classes is there class series periodically which is like the most affordable way for me to work with people and then I also do one on one coaching privately and I’m working on I had done for two years I taught a two-day weekend immersion for charu for embody Tantra and that was great time considering bringing my own version of that back next year and working on some stuff some online courses as well right now but mostly when I’m finding myself being drawn to are working in a couple of different areas and that is specifically I love working with women and empowering women around their their sexuality and her sensuality so a lot of my private clients are actually women looking to connect with her sexuality more or to be empowered by it and some kind of way to heal from past traumas just to be able to love their bodies you know or even that just have an orgasm or some kind of experience pleasure in sex so I do a lot of that work with lemon with a really love just I love watching women learn about like what their vagina is and all the things what does beyond the Practical things are taught in Biology class and then I do some work with couples and then my my class series I recently started trying to bring the element of nature into my work I’ve been finding myself really really drawn which is what the things we’ve talked about with the permaculture but I find myself really drawn to how Tantra adjust wakes us up to our interconnectivity with all things including nature and it really is the original source that we all come from it is our mother he knows shakthi is nature and and as I’ve fallen in love and deeper with mama and the goddess and Shakti it’s only it’s come hand-in-hand with nature and so I’ve been leaving the elements and some nature appreciation and working with emotions in to my class work recently so that’s so cool yeah I have to say that I am working on it a similar parallel kind of path of ecosexuality and holistic permaculture kind of in Hawaii there’s a lot of very integrated communities that I’ve heard about it I’ve talked to some of the people where it’s just very intrinsic the way that the herbalism in soundtrack sacred sexuality training and and gardening they all are just sort of happening and it’s kind of an Ambien so I kind of feel like it’s kind of already deeper in the future than a lot of places where it’s really disintegrated in the another places that don’t have that that climate I guess there’s no excuse cuz if you can grow tropical fruit in in very cold and and high-tech Simon says well so before I get into a permaculture geek mode I’m really glad you’re working in that down that Dimension because I was just talking with one of my kind of dear colleagues in this work and been in just jokingly using the phrase as kind of a headline unkink your Kundalini with 50 Shades of Green it was kind of what we were experiencing and what we were collaborating to create is sort of opportunities and in a media that kind of demonstrate that just a breeze is orgasmic and it will take you there you know if you’re if you’re in nature you’re going to have all of this support to have the Shakti flow and you know all of the dilation of the whole astral body in the purification and just so much more conducive to all these practices in and then when you have that experience you can kind of question okay no wonder people get bored in the square box rectilinear architecture apartments and things in an 8-bit get so bored and so tired of just fucking that they’re like can you you know choke me half to death so I can have a new set Jason and I don’t want to put anybody down for that but I I wonder if we could if this if the the Kink BDSM World War II have like a collaborative ecosexuality timeshare conference with permaculture where we would all end up we probably end up throwing our own rope material and doing blindfolds and also just maybe actually transcending some of the childhood wounding that is responsible for being sort of tied in a knot of energy you know so that was a little bit so close to me right now well okay I guess the question is if now we can probably get into the fun stuff which is really talking about designing these time Trek theme parks of the future where adult children of all kinds of trauma can start to unkink after Kundalini in slow so I guess a lot of visions of how to make these things roll out into reality and I’m curious where you know now we please talk about race gender nature and classical Tantra and all the things that you were sort of daydreaming about that you could get support for taking everyone outside and there’s a lot there in terms of how much of what is really ailing us as modern humans particularly modern westerners has to do with the way that we live day-to-day so separate from separate from nature and also separate from ourselves you know who are a part of nature so I really I find you know like my most General passion is about connection and so for me being a black woman. Then translates into some very specific areas which is you know I’ve been developing a passion for how this workout Entre which really is amazing spiritual system for connection for that purpose how to use it in some of these faces that we’re seeing extreme disconnection making itself known in today’s world and this is a no disconnection separation that’s been there all along but it’s really loud right now because I feel like the world’s going through some deep trance relational stuff at this moment and it’s open to healing in a way you know it’s like a Gateway for healing is happening right now that hasn’t been open for quite some time you know so I’ve been fantasizing about like how how to work with you know some of the wounding that we’re seeing come to the surface the bias around social injustice Injustice is connected to raise primarily what I see as a fundamental issue of beauty of lack of understanding and compassion so it’s like everyone stuck inside of their own experience you know and that experience is also riddled with their own biases and limitations about the way they’re seeing and experiencing the world based on how they were shaped as children you know and how do we begin to crack those walls so that different things can be seen and different things can be heard that are that are outside of the realm of what you’ve previously experienced and Tantra magnificent for this because it’s it’s all about this expanding beyond the limit itself and it does it in ways that are so like bypasses the the conscious mind you know which can be very analytical and slippery and hard to pin down because it’s always looking for a disagreement Tantra melts you know through really a lot of it true recently have been experiencing the power of Mantra work you know and just that Mantra and it’s so you know sound healing is working with the very root pieces of creation you know God said let there be light those were the first two things that made everything lightning sounds he knows what it all is and so by working with light and sound you’re working with the tools that go right to the root of where everything got put into place inside of somebody you know and so I’ve experienced in my own life just the power of Mantra to transform and you don’t see it coming Genting is being 108 x great-great-great my tongue is tired and the next thing you know I’ve been doing this for 7 Days 11 days whatever and my heart’s a little lighter or this trigger I used to have all the time around you know white people looking at me a certain way doesn’t exist anymore you know there’s there’s just an interesting way to begin to experience Mantra getting under the hood of the really dissolving you know what we call the samskaras like those grooves of Habitual behavior and thinking that are keeping her locked so I’ve been thinking about how we how we use that how do I get people to fall in love with Mantra work and because there’s a mission yeah commission artists and musicians to put beats to it and you know they’ll be singing along and no time and I think that is a great way music music people can relate to is like easiest way to get are you are you aware of any artists in that I mean there’s a there’s so many different genres of music that are that are working with all kinds of chanting and mantras I’ve heard I’m not sure though if we know what you’ve encountered and if you have any suggestions or if you might want suggestions and I would just so I can just imagine you advising a new generation of artists and musicians with your your skill-set with the mantras in this bid chocolate Entre path and all that good stuff power of this kind of work to transform hip-hop you know in the sense that as a music form itself is pretty benign it started off as quite an innocent art form and its roots a lot of hip hop is very fun and you know playful and then we went to the pool. In the 90s where I got very misogynistic and materialistic and it’s kind of gotten mired and in those pieces you know and I do I’ve seen it a couple of Festival of some of the transformational festivals a handful of artists doing like hip hop and reggae some more contemporary launcher based music I can’t remember are any of their names of the top of my head I don’t have them in my playlist per se but I know they’re out there and it’s still all that stuff still kind of on the fringes you know I haven’t heard of anything penetrating mainstream yet per se the are you familiar with the four 48 equals 440 vs 8 equals 432 kind of controversy anything so high that that is affected me deeply and radically shifted all of the music that I have made his musician over the last few years have been kind of gotten into that and I’m wondering if I mean that’s just something to kind of put in the on this little this sort of verbal vision board of even if it’s not exact mantras being repeated as a specific number of times just tuning the root note of a track to the ohm frequency you know 136.1 and its sexy sharp in 432 creates that feeling of peace and shedding and opening up and it’s very like you said kind of bypasses the story of what’s happening and it just is yeah yeah yeah I know that stuff is really powerful light beginning to deal with sound healing and frequency and all of those pieces for sure I wish I made music I don’t I do like my tools of art tend to be film and visuals and spoken word and writing and that kind of thing but yeah I have actually experienced I’m a big fan of people who are doing that kind of sound healing work definitely do you have any any until you know that set the intention to the right people will come at the right time to back you up and make beats for you and do whatever it takes you know bring up my Layton Layton musician yeah definitely no big story so cool so yeah that the whole Sonic Dimension the mantras I think it’s a really good opening up of of just imagination for how to proactively address things that it seemed very stuck you know I feel like a if more rallies and protests were were using utilizing this technology they be more effective to trans yeah they would be you would be mellowing out the cops you know I’ve seen footage of the WTO protests where people were pounding drums in and there was a cut to one of the riot cops tapping her foot to the beat like they’re not supposed to do you know you know if I can send all of the Direct Energy and who are the people I enjoy working within the groups I want to help and those kinds of things and I’ve really been looking at people working in social justice in different ways you know because of all the anger and pain that is just prevalent in that work and you know we all can cognitively know love is the most powerful force to move with and and when you’re on the front lines all the time it can be really really hard to stay in that space in the space of fierce love like in love does not have to look soft but still just being able to stay connected to self and to the forces that are greater calling in nose like that Chucky Spirit you know that Sheba energy into the work that’s being done so that people aren’t doing it from their own you know will and burning themselves out another group of people that I’d love to do something with four sound right on so do you have yeah I had a I had a good conversation with Devi Ward on the podcast a while back kind of about people’s a people’s Tantra similar you know visioning of temples really where it’s more like a public Clinic where this the Sexual Healing Arts and services can be rendered to low-income people who perhaps help in the gardens and do some time Banking and things like that to really democratize access to these these ancient technologies that used to actually be more of a lower class female-centered matriarchal subversive transgressive underground really yeah you know it’s it’s really interesting the whole I’m cuz Tantra by Nature has always been secretive and for good reason and some way from what I’ve turn from a lot of my teachers you know and it’s because it’s like Tantra has steps away from all of the morality and fear base pieces that you find in a lot of other spiritual Traditions right and those moral pieces and the fear pieces or how people how they control people like how you keep people in check in keep them from doing things that they shouldn’t do and you know these different pieces and because it is so about the embracing all of it the dark and the light that there’s a place for everything at the table and and there are aspects of Tantra that do work with some very powerful and potentially dangerous energies you know to the physical plane that the secrecy is important in initiating people is important on some level because there are layers of the work that is accessed by the wrong level of Consciousness can be used in horrible, you know and and also I find that there’s a there’s a preparation process that has to be gone through by each individual Consciousness like a person has to be at the have to have a Readiness in their psyche to encounter certain layers of the past cuz you’re literally beginning to access the Loom or the larger the Consciousness you’re accessing the more energy you’re accessing the more that’s just going to expand and any you know ailments or issues that are happening in your system so there’s a really is that need for the purification before you get into the amplification that was very very well said yeah and I just had this number I was just having this conversation recently literally about tactical tantric revolutionary strategy and how to temper this Paradox of the extreme potential for like super power or is it could be used to save the planet and then the Peril of like you said that it’s just high pressure high voltage energy and in information that can be overwhelming and debilitating or cause premature Kundalini activation that can even snap your neck and paralyze you mean there is real physical and emotional psychological dangerous so and the trees are being cut down much slower so at some point we’ve got to take a risk we got to say all right the secret mantras have to be liberated to the chosen ones who have done a number of hours in a time bank and they’re the process of degrading people with nature as as a fast track to purification of funeral getting off porn let’s say getting out of whatever devices are attached to and and getting into the Dow in the pace of Nature and then she’ll do the heavy lifting or the Deep you know cleansing it just all of this is such an interesting deep study that resistance in struggle and in Tantra and all the stuff so and then so to give it back to you please yeah maybe talk about or respond however you feel and and and maybe talk a little bit about or as much as you want about what the Perils of navigating male sexual abuse in an ego power it within Tantra and how I made sure I got to Tantra Neo Temple sort of Paradigm could be defended and protected and secured and the Amazon Women know the future Township temples like kicking ass in frustration so all right but it’s not devious in being a servile parasite it’s like being a boy a man and then burning your godhead from the goddess Uno ocean really I feel you the pieces I started thing is I call you know maybe it’s like 12 step program where you have but really there’s something to that even when we get into looking at the sexuality aspect of Tantra and particularly the relationship between men and women and the role of goddess and and all those pieces because I feel like they’re there is particular in the west lot of people that come to Tantra through the sexual Avenue looking for some kind of sexual healing or sexual Adventure you know anything about it can absolutely provide those pieces but they’re there to really touch the potency of what’s available there is automatically this kind of purification of stuff that has to happen for you to get what is possible out of those practices out of the sexual practices because if you approach them from The Limited cell for The Limited mine you’ll miss it all together and I will be just another physical act that you’re going through the motions of like an empty ritual so Waze one of the things I think is definitely been so beneficial for me as a woman and countering Tundra is that it really is the only spiritual path that that elevated woman to to not even just on par with man but to this status of being able to bestow that spiritual Evolution or to bestow initiation or Enlightenment onto man and onto the rest of the world and this idea that all of creation itself is the the realm eshakti it’s the realm of goddess and so this is her world we’re playing in you know and it’s not that she was not present here it’s not that you know that masculine energy that aspect of Consciousness is very much always a part of of Socrates play like they can’t exist without each other and I think it’s some of its is an interesting thing with the with the gender peace and Tantra because on the one hand I think it’s incredibly empowering for women to get what the true source of their power is and who they really are by having a female body like what that really means and I think every woman should have that blessing of coming to know that and then there’s a layer of it where we have to be careful about using that to make ourselves better than or above our brothers you know cuz I have seen women appropriate the goddess Kali you know for the Wrath and and use it as ways of justifying cutting men down you know and and that’s where we get into this weird play of like at the end yes we all have our divine and we’re also human and so we have egos that can sometimes get in the way of all that Divinity very very careful about how we use our power and who were giving our power to and we should never Tantra I think part of the contract philosophy is that you should never hinder someone else’s choice or power like that is sacrilege goddess and plain enough stepping into Shakti herself if you’re ever if I ever used to to take away someone else’s power then it was used and those are the things that we can have to look out for when I see happening a lot and I think we’re going to be in counting a lot more of that with what we’re heading into giving that Hillary a very good chance of being our next president you know and I’ve been seeing the really the flashlight being shown on misogyny the patriarchy that we’ve been living in it’s it’s loud right now you know and I think it’s just going to keep getting louder and part of the voices that are turned up or women that have been very quiet so there’s always been like a handful of feminist on the front lines but there’s more and more women who would have never consider themselves feminist going hey this ain’t right I think that’s going to continue to happen because she’s waking up and she’s waking up through through women through the human form of 1 and so we are about to face you know I knew an epic ways this whole question and tasks of deeply understanding the dynamic of how the masculine and The Feminine are supposed to work in collaboration with each other and I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better and that women are probably going to swing very far to you know almost taking on energy of their oppressors to some extent and retaliating with that back in different ways so and I think there’s a lot of men that are very afraid of that very thing happening United’s very similar to raise it’s very similar to email I think right now some of the scared of people on the planet are straight white middle-aged men yeah they’re old boys network is coming down pretty fast the purest is not the best word but really just like the whole list form of teaching about Shakti out there and I know and really watching those edges of where ego in retaliation or Revenge start masturbating themselves as empowerment yeah it’s just I have it I have a few kind of sound bites that I feel like serve your intention if you would be so kind as to kind of give me some feedback and see how it drives with your approach to kind of you know I mean as an activist it’s you get trained to not hopefully thinking sound bites but be able to speak in sound bites when necessary to kind of you to nudge the discourse and one of the things that I kind of have been shown I guess or have sort of kind of worked on it I’m kind of condensing into a small schematic or visual illustration it’s kind of like I could, you kind of thing worse like if if during the creation it when the creatrix goddess you know my was designing and building the DNA blueprints for Homo sapiens sapiens that the female body blueprint got the whole download came through so that the seven major chakras were we’re out of the box activated so that you have an integration of intuition in connection to above and below and open heart and nurturing and strength you could lift cars off of children you could you know give birth and you could bleed for days all these powerful Mighty powerful yet tempered with this compassionate awareness in the sensitive I’m giving in and regenerative regenerative Consciousness so that’s the the complete package and then if the joke is at Wyndham at when the man was getting built there was like a the connection got dropped to the signal got dropped so only the first three chakras got finished and activate out of the box so then it becomes you know if the if if men were trained to understand that that somehow is kind of a case that’s the gist the reality there’s there’s not a lot of arguing argue that men need help activating the heart throat third eye and Crown chakra so it’s like you don’t have to blame anybody it could have just been that you know what the moon got in the way of the cosmic same signal and it bounced off and now we have to you know do the BitTorrent download again and repair that stuff and I think some people would say that that is what trans is in that is what these gender-fluid the energies coming through hours is it that this the patch of that of that kind of disastrous issue of men being kind of really a lower primate circuitry of violence and aggression and that was supposed to have been overcome and transcended in this model but because of that issue that’s undeniable with it it’s like the feminine is coming through in a whole new way so nice of the male chakra activation and so damn that’s where it starts help me help us fascinating is you know something really happened I think of this last generation like I’ve been watching in my generation of men where there was an introduction to there like their feminine side you know cuz we have both masculine and feminine energies running inside of us all of us you know and they just we most people favor one or the other based on usually they’re being a physical sex but not always and and what I’ve kind of seen in like men who like you know identify this man and you are built like men in this in my generator like the introduction of feeling you know and tap in opening of Cochran’s so there is like almost as new breed of man that started to develop we’re like you watched like men get the metrosexual thing popped up okay to start tapping sharing a little more about your feelings and your chakras deactivate and they’re actually is like a cold breed of man that became more common where there was a lot of them but then you lost that feeling of the route of the grounding of they liked it at the expense of cutting off their sex you know and so I kind of feel like I do you think the majority of men still running on the planet are very much in the old wiring of living from the lower three chakras for sure and they’re usually not the kind of guys who are even attracted to doing today it’s too soft it’s a lot of men time sex becomes the first connection back to that possibility you know it is a very powerful you having another funny Vision I have to add to that is that if if men were really intoxicated and on the Divine nectar the goddess through their ability to withstand the multi-orgasmic waves of a woman’s true potential in enduring multi-orgasmic lovemaking then he would really just be 2 entrants to want to get up and kill other man or cut down trees or poison rivers that mean so there’s two ecological potential of Tantra to keep men horizontal original you know I cannot refuse to pick thing was the union with Shiva laying on his back which is even then a sort of thumb a fuck you to the established Orthodox in do you know things so that the Shiva is this Stillness it’s just nothing it’s nothing without her movement waking him up and no sound yeah well this is great so it’d be weird looking back now and having discussed this these very nuanced gender dynamics that Tantra can help people navigate and the energies and I’m curious if you have more thoughts to share about ways to equip people really it’s like if you had the power to just I mean this this at this art form that came from Temple so I mean deeper ancient history going back to 20,000 years of goddess Worship in in the wild as hunter-gatherers deep in South India mean it goes back before even domestication it goes back before temples were built but in the medieval Heyday of the temple arts in the temple building I mean I could just imagine that it would say you if you had lots of power and money and influence and you could start to build temples where the the rebalancing of energy could happen with man in the desert of redistribution of resources could happen in balance with all genders and races you want to just flow with that vision and just yeah if you had if you were the one kind of scripting a fantasy sci-fi novel what would some of those chapter titles yeah well you know I think it’s some kind of I’ve been drawn to looking at like some of the Eco Village models and kind of what some of the appeal of permaculture is Ben’s just look at what is the role of Designing our space and how are space works the function of space and how does that shape us and shaper interactions with each other because I think like part of the hard part about taking such a beautiful ancient past and is bringing it to people is making it relevant to the way we live now you know without losing stuff and stuff is always going to get lost but without losing like The Core Essence of what’s important and where the transformation how the Transformations happened and and so I think there’s a natural aversion in Ardmore current day two people have a chip on their shoulder about religion and and you know even though still quite a bit of a world called some kind of face you know like we are still the majority of the global population is still acknowledging some form of God and so I don’t think that part is a stretch but I think people are more people are suspicious of organized religion but what we do really want if you want Community we want Community we want connection we want rituals we want celebration we want all of those things to be woven into our lives that are full of work that gives us purpose you know and and so like my real desire has more to do with like applying all of this to the way we design our day-to-day lives you know and how do we look at our bodies as temples how do we create our homes as to how do we create our communities and Villages our cities as temples if we were to take that mindset and redesign our structures redesign the way that we’re living day today what would that look like like that’s what I’m really interested in you know like like where would we we would have places we could gather spontaneously and have Quiet Moments if you know our god or goddess since you know and then connect with other people doing the same thing we would have places where we can gather is a tribal Village for ritual than celebration that didn’t revolve around shopping but rather some of these things that are really cool or like dancing and music and food you know so like how do we get back to those roots how do we design World’s End in person that is my desire is just so I can just kind of started studying or beginning to research and look at different ecovillages and what people are doing out there kind of daydreaming about my own versions of that you know because I do think it starts on the smaller level and wait we have to figure out how to work work it on a small scale before some of those things can be implemented on a much larger scale you know some of the I have been a student in practitioner of utopian ecological Village designing and building and stuff in and for most of my life and I feel like I’ve encountered a lot of disasters and a lot of Glorious outstanding beautiful models and a lot in between and I think we’re Tantra and sacred sexuality has brought to me in the later. Guess I’ve got about 10 years of pretty dedicated study and practice and training in Tantra and I’ve been emerging that with my eco activism movement building stuff but some of the things that I feel like or the the event Horizons for what we’re talking about which I’d love to get some of your thoughts and even if you haven’t really gone deep in exploring them in the past is kind of set seed these questions for future dialogue and for discourse and I guess I’d say that going off of what you said earlier Tantra is the one of the only integrated sexuality training programs with spiritual practice that actually is mutually honoring and reinforcing and feels like what were what the sweat the system is trying to do is is shame our bodies and keep us separate from exploring our bodies and from sharing intimacy with each other around the eight times of the life cycle where it’s most powerful and most hormonal and and there’s all of this taboo and shame around even things like teen pregnancy and in and like only in the context of making a bunch of robot workers for the rat race Mega machine Empire that’s owned by somebody else would they be pathologized to for teenagers to be impregnating each other and that is a big taboo to even consider but when you think about the flow of the design of our biology and nature and all these things it’s it’s like the coaches that facilitate Rites of Passage and initiation and facilitate the human life cycle in its real form are going to be the ones that are operating in in the natural flow of the conscious design of the universe out things are a really meant to be and so how in your mind assuming that you’re you know that’s one of the things like how do we facilitate masturbation how do we facilitate self-exploration erotic expiration in there were methodologies in the classic era of Tantra that are very I guess they’re they’re so far from being applicable now where it’s mostly adults in their thirties forties and fifties who are kind of you know stumbling upon Tantra through yoga or whatever and it’s just it’s really not a complete system that if that address is every stage of the life cycle where you know the everything is sacred and honored and enter and respected in facilitated because the act of Union is the most holy thing so of course you would as a culture facilitate that so I don’t know if speaking clearly or just sort of opening it up to this dialogue about you know this the frontier of honoring the body a hundred percent in facilitating its natural cycles and not damning it in commodifying it in limiting it so that you know porn producers can make money and you know school is can keep young people totally locked down and separated from each other for years and years and years and all of the shadow that comes with rape and abuse all that stuff I mean that’s my that’s my set up for your it’s about really the restoration of sacred sexuality you know and because there is there is a little bit of a difference between you know like Tantra and then take her sexuality is like this huge umbrella and there are aspects of it that have really become a sexuality you know and and I think they’re there is a role even more so immediately like I think Tantra can be hard for your ear average common specially American person to really grasp off the bat or even have interest in but take her sexuality is very relevant and approachable and needed for our current lives including like we were talking about that whole ushering or facilitating into our sexuality from you know adolescence through our teenage years how we come to enter a relationship with our genitals and with the sexual energy and then how we learn about you and sexual Union and and all this energy is and how those processes did used to be facilitated in other cultures and they were initiations and held you know by your treiber village by your elders and yeah it’s because we live so differently now I don’t know that it’ll ever quite go back to work like that but but I do see a pot like a possibility or have a vision of having spaces where that’s possible I mean right now I think the big hurdle is like a re-education about how we hold see and talk about sex you know and there’s there’s there’s a lot of actually also just great holistic sex Educators out there who are doing work on that front because that is its own nut in and of itself to crack the conditioning that is so prevalent just around how we see sacks and it’s not even accurate most of the time from about the biological and and Nino psychological standpoint but also like scientifically sometimes just what we know about the Exorcist yeah I think there’s a lot of education and re-education and and it has to happen to experience and it’s hard because sex and sexuality is still such a taboo subject I mean it’s just as uncomfortable for people to talk most people to talk about his race in O as homelessness you know these are things that are all important parts of what we’re experiencing in the life cycle and the first step is just like how do you how do you melt people defenses because of all of the perversion that does exist has created so much caution and of course I am my belief is that the perversion is there because we suppress having these conversations and having this education to begin with but but yeah there’s a lot of fear and trepidation around even having the conversations having the education because there’s so much danger around sex particularly for women being out so exactly and so there’s there is a fine line that gets walked where it you know we are very careful not to glorify it or to make it okay for it to run rampant because it’s an energy that most of us haven’t really learned how to work with responsibly so yeah I’ve been thinking a lot about that recently doing work with survivors and being a Survivor and just really when you look you know through the veil you see the this menacing I mean in the bible gave to and in the tantric scriptures the Tantra is where we was described as species of demons that were coming through into our plane of existence from other shadowy places in the astral Shadow biosphere that had his easier time breaking into our membranes of our astral bodies because of the Kali Yuga World age where we’re sort of on a spin of the cycle of time where we’re kind of on the dark side of the moon or we’re just more susceptible and so that Tantra was designed to be a tactical sort of sexual martial arts system for men to learn how to be in Devotion to shakthi and goddess into be less penetrated by these menacing forms of demons that they were describing and now if we look at the rate of increasing rate of all types of abuse and all of the extreme forms of violation depicted in porn an alphorn is totally a vector of of these just so you could call him will parafilias or or or antisocial behaviors or whatever clinical terminology want but I’m more and in more bold enough and brave enough to say that we’re up against non-human entities that are exploiting our weaknesses and strengthening ourselves and purify ourselves is what keeps that looming threat of violation far away from us and our communities in got to come confront it and deal with it and I want to hear your thoughts if you still have some time about I mean really I think cuz you were when when Janet Jackson expose the nipple accidentally at the Super Bowl and it was like I can only imagine that there probably were people who died of heart attacks when that happen to go from that point where I think I think it was Jay Leno or one of the night show tonight one of those said one of those night talk shows made a joke about how the US government was going to establish a department of wardrobe security because it was a wardrobe malfunction is that take off it so there’s this free the nipple movement and it really it’s it’s like I mean everything that you just heard me say which is is so out there and so far out for any modern secular person you know say oh you’re just a religious nut if you’re talking about demons you Noble but look it to put it in context and she’s like okay you don’t have to use that language but if you imagine how phobic it’s like a mass phobia of female nipples and because somehow we all know that like every one of us is deeply deeply ill sexually because we can’t handle that and it’s it’s a it’s easy to blame Christians for everything that went wrong in last two thousand years but I will say that there are elements a form of sexual spiritual hygiene that is is more of a can be more scientific like how do we how do we you know how these Arts of purification are cross-cultural in in be able to I understand that sexual imagery and nudity and animals having sex in nature and people in villages making sexual sounds that aren’t being silenced by the fear of being heard having sex and all of these things that it’s just that mass of phobia is habitat for demons you know anyway that’s me and going on to that vet esoteric soapbox but freeing the nipple is that something that you’re very passionate about it if you would be a key tactical leverage point to move things forward in this country future that were talking about to both sides of what I believe is true and this is the thing with this is the thing with life you know Tantra is about it’s the end it’s the coexistence of opposing forces right so free the nipple yeah I believe women should be able to walk around topless and that nipple should be embraced just like flowers you know and smell than happy to see the nipple look look at that beauty like if we could just look at breasts and just think Beauty just like taking in a place where they could really look at brass and back to like you know being held against their mother’s chest or attitude and sure maybe you’ll get a little aroused too and that’s fine you want to do anything with it you know if that were the case I would say yeah free all the nipples we’re a long way from that wreck a long way from that end in this is something that comes up a lot in these feminists or you know different activist circles is that there are good ideas about doing things that are calling attention to what we really need to be looking at and what should be happening and reaching for a future that needs to be able to exist and there’s often a negation of like where we are now and what it actually means to do the thing that were asking for you know and so I think I think it’s it’s like we’re in a weird. Where you know women there is this part of the whole feminist movement is being able to like not the subject defying by you know just being a body to be able to have your body respected as like a whole sacred sayings not just someone source of pleasure or getting off and these things are great ideas but how do we actually get men there like the men there you need to see them get there in order to live in a world where you can be that woman cracking up minute ago and I swear this is not my will you know whatever it is it is what it is but it came to me and I’m going to express it cuz it it cracked me up at slyke okay well exactly how we might start to cross that bridge into a pit bull breed world and it’s like well I guess what they don’t let dogs run wild and you know you can’t but so you could you have to have your dog on a leash and then go they invented dog parks and so it’s like if you had wished you could have nipple parks where the man had to be on leashes and then we’re going to walk them and have them and it would be okay if there’s actually something there I’m sure there’s well I’ve been places I lived it a femme dom got his Temple out in the woods where they could get away with almost anything and no one would hear you scream so I’ve seen it all and you know it’s not also going to be you know zone right there in next to City Hall either so yeah it we just have a long way to go and it’s just sad so sad to think that the obsession with nipples is because of the deprivation of nipples and it wouldn’t none of that there would be no market for Cleavage and there would be you know what happens anytime there’s like a real a real Liberatore change in the political landscape it’s like the lobbying groups no nipples are dangerous because we’re going to lose profits on Airport magazines if we free the nipple so we’ve got to come up with scientific reports of what will happen to your child if they see a nipple walking around and it’s like we’ve been shaped in a particular way like we’ve been conditioned by living in the world a particular way and if you go to tribes where we are women walk around topless that that was a different conditioning where they it’s natural to see bra so that it’s not a thing you know and and I think what we’re facing in a big way is all the conditioning that does not work for creating a new world yeah or any other wild ideas that was pretty thank you for your thank you so much for entertaining these thoughts and its really what do you most hopeful about what are we in with that and then and we’ll call it good about the level of connection I see happening because of social media you know like quality of connection is a different thing we just do you have more access to more people and more information and more experiences is changing and impacting our Consciousness and very cool ways I am really hopeful about not being able to avoid or else like it’s all coming to the surface I think we’re where we’re going to be on our ride for the next four years at least around gender and I think some really good things will probably come out of that it’s it’ll probably be bumpy and I think I am I’m altimate Lee hopeful about what’s available like to us information wise teachers practice-wise I feel like there is valuable information that is more readily available now then and then it has been you know in any. Of History I’ve ever heard about and that means it’s a lot easier for everybody to wake up if they so choose to you know and so I’m very hopeful about that that we might actually reach some kind of sizable Tipping Point I think that’s the direction we’re heading in now maybe maybe by the end of my life so yeah awesome well how about any sort of practical tips from your practice in your teachings to help people stay centered and empowered on a daily basis and then you can I’m sure your websites and offerings after that sure sure well I mean I think the first the most basic thing I teach and I think everybody should learn and know is really hard to work with brass it’s free it’s a free resource brass and it’s you know I think broken water are two of our most potent you are free healers on the planet and particularly like the most simple and it’s really just becoming creating a practice of breath awareness throughout your day and really watching for when the Press gets cello and deeping and deepening it down into the belly and down into the pelvis like really breathing down into the genitals on a regular basis is a nice simple one to just stay aware of and I that will automatically change the texture of how you show up in a lot of things and you can find me at space for love.com so it’s s p a c e f o r l o v e. Com and there’s information there about anything I’m offering my events how to work with me a Blog pretty regularly offer other information and tips and resources as often as I can cool I guess one last question would be from your we didn’t touch this time much on your your path and career in the reality TV show jonra and other Media stuff but are there any highlights from that that people want might want to check out or any of any future projects where you might be bringing some media stick skills and tactics to the tantric Revolution as it were for mentioning that works on lying on Vimeo it’s harder to find your my sight but my background is in writing directing and editing and I have been looking for ways to fuse. With Tasha to bring that back in and actually have a little documentary project that I’ve been working on with charu which will probably be coming out next year as part of a promotion she’s doing for one of her a couple’s home study courses and it’s a really fun behind the scenes look like authentic Real Deal of her and her beloved relationship and the way that they incorporate Tantra into their day-to-day life and their conflicts and their love-making whole wheat yeah we just we really quick I’ll State cuz it’s going to be in the title and and we talked about last time but this sort of big tent content curation mission that I have Tantra makeovers and how you know the contract celebrities have already been through their process of a makeover and they’re in their deep in the after but it’s always an ongoing after and encountering new people in there before and after cycles and just capturing that with media and kind of yeah I’m just kind of networking and opening up that dialogue to to kind of show the world that the beauty of the art the way that Bruce Lee brought martial arts to the mainstream in Hollywood and all that stuff is kind of like a bigger Mission so hopefully we’ll get to cross paths on sets of some some kind of attention so yeah that your problem cases that’s making cool well thank you so much, you had a lot of fun and really appreciate it so deeply that you’re willing to go into these treacherous and glorious places and I can’t wait to see how your path then Falls in will definitely be in touch. 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