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Futurizing the Public Policy of Sex Work with Devika the Techy Tantrika TPP183

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In this episode I’m joined again by dear friend and tantric comrade Devika the Techy Tantrika for a discussion about the future of public policy for sex workers, sex educators, sex technologists, and more. We explore our mutual fascination for the study of how sexuality is regulated by policy makers who seem to have decreasing interest in consulting with the populations their laws affect the most. An emergent property of our convo is the fleshing out of a sort of verbal white paper outlining the problems we’re facing in the sex industry and the innovative solutions that are rapidly evolving in the sex tech space.

Check out our first episode for more info on her personal backstory:

https://tantrapunk.com/open-source-intimacy-with-devika-the-techy-tantrika-tpp131/

About Devika:

Devika J. Singh/The Techy Tantrika is a Tantric Sex and Self-Relationship Coach as well as a Performess. Her diverse creative endeavours as well as her views on holistic sex, intimacy, self-relationship and self-care have culminated into the one-on-one online coaching practice she has today. Devika’s unique take on traditional and Neo-Tantric practices along with her continuous dedication to providing commentary on tech trends that affect the way we date and intimately connect shine through in her YouTube video series where she provides Tantric sex and dating advice to her audience.

You can find Devika’s YouTube sex+dating advice video series at youtube.com/thetechytantrika

Follow her Instagram at:
http://www.instagram.com/thetechytantrika

You can also find out more about her coaching practice and writing at devika-singh.com

Topics we discuss include:

  • the future of age verification regulation and innovations in blockchain tech
  • the hyper regulation of fosta/sesta
  • https://www.woodhullfoundation.org/
  • statistics of harm reduction in decriminalized sex industries
  • how criminalization of websites pushes sex workers back into the hands of pimps
  • the risks to sex workers increasing as regulations take away online reputation and client vetting systems
  • with more rights, sex workers can build more resilient safety nets
  • law enforcement is actually disempowered by fosta/sesta as they no longer have a places to gather evidence and conduct investigations
  • lessons from Nevada and Amsterdam sex work policy
  • December 17th International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project USA
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project Los Angeles
  • Sex work as a layer in the “software stack” that is modern civilization
  • the need for tantra corporate retreats to better facilitate the intelligent flow of sexual energy for increase productivity and team building
  • sex workers do God’s work
  • involuntary celebates Vice article
  • how sex workers prevent violence by providing much needed sexual outlets for those who’s sexually needs are unmet in relationships
  • the value of polyamory community to open public discourse on alternative relationship models
  • the importance of consent and how healthy sex industries facilitate consent best practices
  • the agility of technology and the slow rate of change in government sectors
  • the need for tantra instructors to have the same protections and freedoms as spiritual and religious leaders
  • how those in the sex industry have to live double lives and hide their sexual identity to fit into mainstream society, maintain or apply for jobs, etc.
  • how current systems are outdated and barbaric
  • how open-source and peer-to-peer technologies are creating new dimensions of freedom and empowerment
  • the libertarian sentiment: “stater’s gonna state”
  • Caligula’s regulation and taxation of brothels in ancient Rome
  • the potential for technology to prevent insurrectionary street battles with police such as in the origins of the gay rights movement and the Stonewall Riots
  • the need for tech savy sexuality educators, service providers and policy makers in the Nevada blockchain city
  • crypto billionaries building crypto social infrastructure in Puetro Rico
  • the Silicon Valley of Crypto in Zug, Switzerland
  • Joe Lubin’s sex positive attitude towards Ameen Soliemani and SpankChain
  • the sexual economics of the wild west and the evolution of brothels
  • how sex workers have generated the revenue for municipal projects, public works, and civil services in gold rush town
  • the progressive sex work policies in Australia
  • the tragic irony of how sexual health has evolved, and public policy around sex work has devolved
  • advocating for natural birth control methods beyond the rhythm method
  • revitalizing ancient sexual health wisdom and practices
  • how sex workers are better qualified to teach sex ed and safer sex
  • the history of witch trials and burning
  • the demonization of midwives for empowering women to have sexual and reproductive sovereignty
  • the often unexamined and unacknowledged negative side effects of birth control pills
  • ancient yogini cults of India and the rebellion of tantric witches in India
  • how marginalized women such as widows, prostitutes, and those who’ve escaped abusive relationships are a force to be reckoned with when they organize and band together
  • differences between neo-tantra and classical tantra
  • how 2019 will be the year of the sex witch
  • yoni steam baths with Steamy Chick
  • how midwives often become referees in hospital birthing situations where mother’s are mistreated and misinformed
  • the power of women in crypto and blockchain
  • the women of crypto track at the crypto invest summit
  • the southern california blockchain community and Blockchain Beach meet up
  • financial feminism in the crypto space
  • the hypocrisy of law maker sex buyers who legislate against sex workers
  • reverse doxing
  • the Ashley Madison hack
  • the notion that high profile clients should give back to support the decriminalization, unionization, health benefits, and other rights and amenities for sex workers
  • the notion of the techno shaman and their roles and responsibilities in protecting and defending the global cyber village
  • if good people don’t master tech, only the bad people will
  • future visions for goddess temples where sex is earned through meaningful local service to the women and the health of their families and their full life cycles
  • the political economy of making love not war and how throughout history love has been suppressed to create less attached soldiers
  • the under-representation of women in tech and computer science
  • the depressing statistics on venture funding and C-level employment for females
  • how a world with more balanced access to funding and corporate authority is as yet unimaginable, but we anticipate it to be much healthier, more beautiful, safe, and equitable, most importantly for sex workers and the sex trade

 

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 184 I’m being joined by Alejandra Aguilar and she is the health educator an HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and we sort of met at a recent sex workers Outreach project event on December 17th which was the international day to end violence against sex workers and there was a beautiful creative artistic kind of community building event that was held there and that was the first time I had visited the East last night Women’s Center and I was very thrilled to know that that the place exists and of the great work they’re doing there and Alejandra was hosting the event through the space and has some really powerful and moving things to say about the work that she does in support of women’s health in and sexuality health and education and so I was very moved and thought I’d reach out and see if she like to tell us a bit more about her personal background and about what the great works that are offered at the center there so I’ll a hundred thank you so much for joining me looking forward to hearing more about your story thank you thank you Ben and thank you for inviting me to be part of this podcast so as you mention my name is HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and yeah I recalled that for a little over 42 years and one of the things that we always want to let people know is that this is a place where women silence is hurt for the community has their silence and so we decided to open up our space so that sex workers and their allies and come in and and have a safe place to meet and so I have been working in the field of HIV for in reproductive health for a little over 14 years and you know when I arrive to this country when I was 8 years old and one of the reasons why I’m very passionate about advocating for Women Health is because specially for the health and well-being and the needs of let me know is because many times Latinas specially Latinos who are aware of the services that might be out there to support them and so one of my one of my reasons for being an ally in in the the support of sex workers is to be able to avoid the needs of women especially one of the things that I did was I was a child care provider even though I was a child myself I used to babysit that the children of many sex workers women who were immigrants who worked up at sex workers and so I got to see a lot of the needs that a lot of the new show of the women and definitely a lot of them are children and so you know as I was getting older I decided to to look into this route of being of service to to the community by advocating for the needs of your penis growing up I got to see how special immigrant women for sexual abuse that shows fault interpersonal violence and definitely sexual explotation and when I started working at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center I thought this is perfect I get to work for an organization that is aligned with my beliefs and here I am 14 years into providing Services Organization advocating for the woman’s name well that is so powerful and thank you so much for sharing that and specially about your personal background ATS really moving to me I know that there that there is a lot of really strong feminist history and in feminist movement history around women sexual health and and support services and also and sort of sort of vaguely aware of different tensions that there have been within the feminist movement around 7 is sewer or not as supportive of sex workers or of women who were involved in the adult industry and some some who maybe are more supportive some curious if you have had to navigate any of those those politics within the women within the women’s movement about the sort of taboo subjective of the sex industry not necessarily you know I am very fortunate to be in this organization I’m very fortunate to have a strong network of providers that believe in advocating for everyone and when we say everyone it means every single person regardless of what they’re definitely here at the women’s center we do not see people for what they do we see them for who they are and so when we see when we see you know a sex worker we see them for who they are first and foremost a human being have to keep for them or what you would like and definitely no I haven’t encountered any of that it does not mean that it’s not the doesn’t accept them pretty sure there’s so many people that have encounter with you but I myself have not I’m really glad to hear that because I got that Vibe definitely that there was no judgment and no no sort of distance or or or judgment you about about that because it is so it is so much a part of life and people want to ignore it or people want to just hiding from it but it’s it’s a real serious issues I appreciate it very much that that you hold that space and and I want to thank you for doing that so if you could help us understand a bit about what the the most vital needs are of those those women who are doing work in the sex industry what are some of the things that people should know about as far as what they face on a daily basis and even ways that that people who are maybe just wanting to support them where are they they want to be allies how they can also be supportive but would definitely I cannot speak for everyone but I can’t I am able to speak for those who I have been fortunate and humble enough to provide services doing these are the Immigrant Latinos who work in the bars on the country has most of the time you asked about their needs what their needs are definitely there’s a lot of me to to provide them with resources resources and when I say resources what kinds of resources and support that they need to let them know about the right and to let them know that if they have been abused molested in any way that there is are places that can help them if they need just a space where they can just feel safe that there’s such a space about what we hope to who provides many of the women that we service the well-being overall well-being we are always concerned about their health their physical health or emotional health because we know that it can take a toll on their health specially those who work at night all we know that is if it can be difficult for them to to take care of that their help because the majority of them are also mothers and because they are mothers you know many times Latinas put the needs of their own meat how can I say it they put their needs before the needs of anyone else and they last one but they’re nice and so I want to advocate for them we also want to let them know that they have rights we hope to educate them about the right within the women that we service some of them are hiv-positive and so will support them we support them by providing resources for their help for them so that they can receive the services well thank you very much again for doing that work in something that I that I have been made very much aware of by my association with women who who would be considered those very strong feminist critique of the patriarchal economic structures and just the way capitalism works and how how this Empire is really built on on its own built on the backs of immigrant labor and and and from what you’re saying it’s also built on the bodies of the sex workers who who serve a lot of different types of male laborers and I’m wondering what if you care to share from your personal perspective what are some observations are inside sore or strong feelings you may have around what the what the role of men who may be there maybe they are sex buyers or maybe they are temps or maybe they are you know what and then you can any level of that economy do you ever have the opportunity to to Enlighten them or two to help them become more active in doing the support work for the for the women or what what is your feeling about the men who are just kind of you don’t hear a lot about the John’s or the Pimp C male a male and get you component we are thinking by myself a big advocate for making change in our communities mobilizing one of the one of the things that I do is when I am able to speak to groups of men and provide them with information writing with resources to do is to let them would like for them specially if they are consumers of the services of the women who are sex workers Michael is for them not to think of the women as object to know that there’s a story behind them that there that these women might have gone through many struggles am I making sense yes this is amazing I love to hear it to hear more about it cuz I feel like it’s so lacking it’s so lacking in that people actually try to educate them and whether it’s about using condoms or or being just mine. I’m being respectful this is Range Community and to use their voice to Advocate from them as well to use whatever privilege they have as meant to protect them to advocate for them that’s definitely one one of our pools and one of the things that we hope to accomplish is for for men to go beyond those gender roles that they are putting the moment they are born we want them to understand that they can break out of that box I agree with you yes wow so if that that thank you so much for sharing those insights that they’re really really touches my my heart and soul because I feel like I’m as myself as a sex worker myself I’ve been mistreated and abused and certainly I would have loved for the very wealthy the wealth of the wealthier of my clients to to be giving back and supporting nonprofit organizations that actually create a better life and more resources 400 why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t you give back to to like a trade Association it was helping you have a good experience in helping you get your needs met so hopefully yeah I’m excited to hear about what you’re doing over the other people will do that kind of Outreach as well so if we could talk a bit about the I feel like it’s it would be important to give some context for people listening to this what what the scope of sexual assault really looks like from your perspective you’re really seeing and I again am I feel very honored to speak with you knowing that you’re you’ve chosen to be putting yourself in a position to have so much exposure and really be very empathetic and very compassionate towards people who are in times of Crisis and some of the the most extreme trauma and current crisis so you could help to sensitize the listeners of this podcast to do some what it what is sort of typical cycle is when you have someone to say come in for services who is in trauma or crisis and in kind of what whatever is appropriate you know for you to share but that I think would be good for us to understand that means we started in 1976 and actually disorganization begin you know it was first bilingual confidential 24 hour 7 days a week crisis hotline to be able to service and provide support to survivors of sexual assault what we do is we have a hotline and call if they have just been assaulted molested or phrase taking cold even if it happened many years ago in another country we provide supporting the support looks something like this we we do Hospital accompany me to go to the hospital to provide support to the Survivor of rape and we’re able to see people all ages for survivors from a baby to someone well over the age of 90 we see that again we see them for who they are we see them as human beings Survivor and we are basically there to support them we allow them to have a safe safe space to come in and speak support when and if they’re ready mix someone is ready and they would like to come in and receive support we can provide them with counseling therapy and again we never tell them what to do we are there in their healing journey in the journey to heal I said we’re walking hand-in-hand with them so where’s that the healing path and soul Moana singing about in 2016 I remember in 2016 we provided services to over 10,000 women and children on the hotline movie about 2,200 called so we’re pretty busy if ever since that Open Door hotline has never closed and twice a year would provide training for people to become sexual assault advocate so that they can help survivors they can do hospital but also so that they get the keys for the needs of survivors important so after all of this exposure that you and your colleagues and peers with organization in and near the community of people that you’re connected with her your allies in Von forcement in the justice system and that the hospital system and the the sword I guess there’s also the social services and Family Services sectors of thumb of the county and in local local governments I’m curious if you could talk about some of the powder and some of the insides whatever you’ve been able to kind of a phone some conclusions you may have arrived at just about to the patterns of abuse and where you feel like the most effective interventions can occur on the preventative side of this issue how to do there’s definitely a lot to do but we definitely one of our one of them nothing’s that needs to happen to be able to to end sexual assault and domestic violence definitely HIV we need to end violence against women and homophobia swell we definitely know that if we end violence against women we end homophobia we are very well and then into the HIV epidemic we are definitely going to see Alright by very much agree with that and tell me what comes to mind from me for my personal experience in for my studies and I love to hear what you had what you would have to stay from your perspective Which is far more I would say far from a highly developed than mine because of the position that you that you’ve taken up and and I would say with what are your thoughts on the you mentioned machismo that’s something that I’m interested to hear more about what what that where that comes from and what you would how you would advise people to deconstruct that that sort of some aspect of violence in and then also alcohol and Andrew role that you feel that plays or substance abuse and how that feeds into the violence well it’s definitely a collaborative effort of everyone social service providers to law enforcement to every single every single person has a responsibility to an hour in one of the things we have are you aware of basically the women from targeted community wengage and Outreach and education and what they do is they increase awareness of sexual assault and resources and domestic violence victims and their families but they also bring awareness and so one of the things that that we have here in our organization in mind you all women that can be women that are actively working a sex workers women for HIV positive Housewives just about anyone and they go through this training where they learn about their culture how their cultural experiences shape their identity with a lot of focus on the Latino cultures and Value Inn in the experiences that they might have had growing up and still one of the things that we encourage them don’t is to look at what what are the values of culture that contribute in a positive way to to have better communities to to make them feel safe right it in to make a change in the world and to keep those we encourage them to look at the one that can be toxic that can be done that perpetuate and we encourage them to to look at both and decide which ones they want to keep which ones they want to transmit to other generation so we start with that beautiful well thank you for doing that as well in I’m curious if we could go to the next question which is the just to the prevalence of alcohol and domestic violence I think is pretty well well known that a lot of sexual assault and violence happened in in circumstances that are sort of fueled by drunkenness and I’m curious if you have thoughts on to substance abuse and alcoholism and how that how that affects the work that you do and the the the women that you support but we do know that it art again you know what we need people were there as we don’t we do not follow up a model of trauma-informed that means we are not going to shame people if they have issues with substance abuse know we can help them try to get to the root of why they’re they’re using or why they’re drinking rice I can tell you definitely my perspective from what I saw growing now I can tell you that issues with alcoholism are very prevalent with the with the women who work in the bar and the emptiness sex workers because that is part of their work in order to make a living they have to drink with the client and so many women that start working in the barn and the emptiness when they start working in the bar on the time peanut they have never you know in their life they have never had a drink but once they start working out of their job it’s how they make that living and some many of them develop alcoholism that’s one of the things that I saw and so you know if you if you asked to do it that many have a history of abuse or trauma that it don’t even know that they have this history of abuser, they don’t even know what to name those feeling you know very bad idea that depression you have a very difficult situation for for the person you know when one of these again that I hate that I was able to see I was able to see because of the lack of support and empowerment and resources available to this woman I saw in a bunch of this day I still seen any of them Works who no longer work in the calendar because there was no support there was no one to assist them teach them how to how to make a budget how to save the money or even how to invest some of them and not only that but a lot of them ended up with issues of alcohol yeah I hear you and that actually comes at least to my next question really which is about what you see as some of the the positive outcomes and the I would say to be clear I don’t believe that it’s wrong to be a sex worker ever see for myself I die in the part of the six work industry so there are some people would say well you just need to go to church and you need to quit the lifestyle and and and you need to leave it all behind you which I’m not I’m not here to say is this is right or wrong but but I will I will say that I’m very interested in what what 6 I think about the concept of a success story or someone who has overcome substance abuse or alcoholism in if they choose to remain active in the sex industry but I from a healthier place or if they choose to move beyond that I’m curious what you what are some of the pathways that you have facilitated or witnessed of of women who have become really empowered either is former sex workers or or or sort of sex workers in recovery what are some of the success stories that you would say that you’ve been a part of each other’s privacy and confidentiality if I can tell you that there’s this particular woman who is what after she became involved and after she was able to gather with other women saw other women like herself all about the right person for most of the human bean learn that there is nothing to be ashamed of learn to speak remind learn to Advocate Parker cell I was able to see an amazing transformation this is a person who now is able to speak up for herself this is someone who is able to negotiate pay for sex which I think it’s amazing to see this is someone who if she feels that someone is making her feel ashamed because of what she does she’s able to speak up she doesn’t know her head as she used to be for not just that but her priority priority priority herself above anything else in that include making better decisions when it comes to drinking that our decisions for her mean eating what you drink tea not not drinking as much as she used to before that you will forget to take her medication doesn’t make sense that is In N safety she she has been able to say she now has a savings account which is tremendous you know because now she’s planning or for the years I had to fight absolutely well I’ll take you out to other women beautiful well that’s that’s very good to hear and thank you again for doing that and just maybe a couple few more questions one will be going back to the the other half of the equation which is the the male role in and all of this into client role so I sounds like you’re yeah you have a lot of experience working with women who were in that that culture of the bar and cantina world and so like you said that there will be drinking is just part of the job and I’m curious if you if you could reach into the heart and soul of the the male clients and understand where they’re coming from and if they would maybe intergenerational trauma or or personal issues that they may be dealing with in and if we were to make if we were to all be working together to create more empowered and more conscious and then we’re healthy men and male clients and then maybe they would maybe this sounds ridiculous I guess but but I would love to see a world where where sex work is is legal and where people clients and and and service providers could meet up at a healthy juice bar or something or like a farmers market or something you know where it’s it’s not always in the context of of alcohol and that kind of sort of sector and so I’m just curious if when you think about this and when you work in this in this world if you do you have any advice for four men who are just maybe this sort of their kind of being set up or something I don’t know why I don’t know what you how you feel about just the whole the nature of that in of that that world of the the bar scene in the all that wouldn’t be able to provide education you know when I go out and we have those messages that week we share with with menopause sensitive to have healthy relationships with all the people in their life okay and do would you say while we’re on the topic of the Mennonite and I appreciate it and it sounds like what needs to happen is that more more men need to step up and organize and do Outreach it’s you already sounds like you’re already very your hands are full working with women and it sounds like that would be good for more men to anybody listening who has that the resources or the means to to do more Outreach Two Men and hopefully that will that will happen and I would say I just want another question just while we’re on the topic is if you if you feel like there is do you feel like a lot of the men who are of War buying the sexual services at women are they are they not really functional in their in their their own marriages that are on family life and are they I guess I don’t know like I said the other is there anything you can say about about the profile or the sort of in the attitude or the State of Mind of the mail client server or are they just a lot of single man to hoodoo don’t have a wife and that therefore they had they feel like they have to get through the day but with a beer you know with getting some drinks and inviting some sex and again there is so much so much change that needs to happen in one of them against the things that I be all that needs to happen from what I saw you know growing up in a very traditional community at 8 I was born in Mexico and I grew up in the town I was very religious it was okay for men to go to a bar in to go to La Cantina to look to spend some time with women right because many of them felt have to ask for certain things from their wives or their girlfriends was disrespectful and so they grew up thinking that the women that worked in the bar in the Campina where it was okay to have certain things of them right certain sexual things or even just to drink with them right again that idea that the women that worked in the casino or less than the women that are at home but that should not be the case that we can community that there’s this idea that yeah I’m going to go to the bar I’m going to go to the one with her right or she will be willing to deliver for a Spur to do and I cannot ask my wife to do that because she’s a good wife or she’s a good woman or she’s going to get offended if I ask her to do certain things when it might be very well that her wife at home or at home is wishing he will do those things with her because of how she grew up in this box that she was playing through gender role that don’t ask for something sexual well your violence violence that that if you are a good wife you would not dare ask for any of that and so that’s one of the things that I’m very passionate about teaching women again we let you know when it’s okay to to look for pleasure it’s okay to have conversations with your partner about certain things it’s okay to explore as long as you are both okay in the end it’s okay to look for a relationship with someone who is not going to feel threatened if you ask for certain things for your own pleasure well that is really powerful and I appreciate you saying that that really means a lot that really helps me understand a lot better and I hope I hope we can move towards that and and I appreciate the work you’re doing to create that space to explore and understand and and change the is paradigm so you’re so another question I have for you which is kind of this kind of extraordinary but I like to I like to do you know what some people call a thought experiment where you just think about what obviously you have you have some budgetary constraints and you have people power constraints but if you and your team or your colleagues the people you work within your organization if you somehow we’re blessed with the resources and the even just to say you won the lottery or something absurd like that but it was just say you had you had really almost Limitless potential or and Empower even politically to say okay this is all of this is all of the wisdom that we have and these are the proposals that we have and and if you just had what what you need to talk about investment and whatnot so if there was a if there was a venture capital firm that says we really think what you’re doing is important and we feel like that there is a benefit to society to have you you all have more resources and really if you if you had almost Limitless budget what are some of the things that you would do to to accelerate and grow and expand you know your services in certainly how I mean I would love to see since having been to the place you know your location I would love to see myself I would love to see you have more more acreage you no more land and something like the weirdest El Centro Farm was there some place where you can have Community Gardens in actual herbal Gardens in and healing natural areas and places for meeting that we’re outside and there were also safe and also had security so that’s just kind of what comes to my mind but I’m curious what you would do or what you would sort of dream up if you had almost no limits to what you can imagine wow there’s so much that we will definitely do love I can tell you that with a bigger budget we will definitely be able to since we will not have waiting list for four clients to to enrolled into into a program but definitely one thing will be to to increase to provide more support for the women that are hiv-positive because of budget I’m talking about financial support very limited women are always left behind and yet they’re the ones that love to see more help women’s health programs that are more sex-positive that are inclusive of sexual trauma Empower women to advocate for their sexual health definitely expand more men’s healing talking circles where they can wear the men pink and strengthen the relationship that we would love to see that but definitely if there was no monetary restrictions more more a healing circles or for women where they can talk about their health advocate for the health including their sexual health awesome thank you so much for sharing and I’m hoping that all of your dreams will come true you’re suddenly during such important and if I don’t work in the community and so yeah I wish you absolutely the best moving forward and hopefully yeah we’ll see each other again and then more more collaboration will happen that will be mutually supportive within our communities do you have any closing words you’d like to share and then also do you want to share the website URLs and any other links or any other ways to connect that would be great bilingual 24-hour hotline anyone can reach this hotline 24/7 the number is 800 5856 231 once again is 800-585-6231 and our website is www.ladwp.com org once again is so absolutely yes sir I appreciate it’s been an honor and do you have any last closing words you like to say is just a call to action or or things that you feel like if if people knew in NC could hear this voice than they would they would they would want to step up and and I guess it was before we say that you are a 501 c 3 charitable non-profit so donations are tax-deductible am I correct that we are especially in need of support because we have the only shelter in the mission where people can can go if they have just been sexually assaulted or if they have just landed on the hospital and they’re afraid to go back home or back to where the perpetrator or abuser is and we definitely need a lot of support for that our women’s HIV program a lot of sports comidas up with some sort of supporting in the dollar if you can share our website with others or even our Facebook page elawc please go ahead and do so we will be very grateful thank you so much Alejandro I think that was a really good introduction to all of the the work you’re doing and I hope that’s a lots of good things come from this and hopefully we will have meet again and and maybe we can follow up again and have you back on sometime in the future talk about some new developments and hopefully there’s there will be a lot more a lot more great things happening in the future so thank you again for your time and we’ll be in touch okay bye bye thank you for listening to the touch of Honey Pot www.entrepreneur.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temple in every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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In this podcast I’m joined again by Nanu Berks for a deep and insightful exploration of the power dynamics, gender politics, and social psychology of philanthropy, decentralized movement building, and business development in the crypto-currency and blockchain space. I appreciated her mentioning the Survival Wombyn project and that she held space for me to explain it, and shed some fear and embarrassment about soliciting women to join it. We share values of radical responsibility and agree to help keep each other in check.

It was refreshing and invigorating to commiserate and share strength and resolve to keep fighting the good fight with art, tech, and love.

Please connect with her at:
http://nanuberks.com/

About Nanu

Nanu Berks loves “connecting humans to each other in creative ways

Originally from Argentina, she currently works as a full-time artist & crypto cultural arts ambassador in the city of Austin, traveling often for global collaborations.

Nanu has a writing background in Tech/AI/Communication, and enjoys “sharing information about the blockchain evolution through experiential art”

Ask her about Crypto Murals, and 5 senses social experiments.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 175 I am so thrilled today to have nanu Berks again on as a guest to talk about all of her Wild Adventures in crypto land and being a cultural Ambassador bringing bridging art and holistic lifestyle and wellness and all kinds of social Consciousness anybody who Consciousness into the blockchain space and last conversation we had I don’t know what the what big were the spot price of Bitcoin was at that moment but I was it’s been we’ve we’ve endured some some white water rapids you know in the market and it’s definitely shaking out a lot of weak hands and shaking out a lot but thankfully a lot of fraudsters and people that were just chasing the hype so it’s kind of a sweet spot actually it ironically paradoxically to be in a so-called bear Market because then you’re hanging out with the build the build the build the building or however you say it’s like the spin-off of holidays but it’s the people who are saying we’re not just speculating we’re building that technology for financial Liberation for the future and you know the less customer support tickets that have to be dealt with the less fraudsters and scamsters have to deal with that the more we can focus on a technology and agriculture building so that’s that’s kind of where I’m at with this I’d love to hear it now know if you could bring us up to speed on just since we last talked however long ago that was how have you been strategizing in and growing and evolving with this set industry in this m cultural revolution because this is such a such a beautiful space to talk in a in a Wholesome Way about crypto I think that you you make it a nice platform for people to be real and talk about anything and everything that’s going on in their life and how it relates to it as well I’m so I don’t usually get this opportunity another podcast to become so yeah I really appreciate you having me on again I think if you hit it right on the head and now it’s the the situations when the market flows so in such extreme waves makes a lot of people want to leave a lot of people lose faith and the people that have been here since the beginning you know by some new coins or come up with Creative Solutions to how to stay connected and so I think it’s the people who are still in it through all of these Ebbs and flows are the people that like you said that really believe and the technology and that for me personally I weather cryptos so drive or not whether blockchain in general becomes massively adopted right now or in the future I I believe in this technology I have seen it be useful and so many ways already in so many proofs of concept and I am very hopeful for it and not in the in-house going to shift in a line or future so I just want to continue using it and trying it out and even through the frustrations I just can’t seem to stay away from the technology you know you’re too kind of commiserate with you on and I’m sure tips and stuff is just the interesting the psychological shifts that happen when when it is if it’s a stop sell when it’s when it’s a bull market right when the prices are going up even if you’re just going up slowly which I prefer because then people don’t lose their minds but you know when it’s going up you feel it’s impossible not to get a Christ complex about wanting to evangelize and then and then you can send for the price drops and then you have people who believed in you and relied on you and they’re going to All Point your fingers package you to get really hesitant about wanting to onboard people after you know people have been traumatized by losing money I mean literally actually clinically traumatized steak no joke completely like on the books, ties in that’s what happened to basically everybody in the world you had a bank account that can connect to coinbase and bought at the top earlier this year and now they’re actually started and it’s like the people who have been like you you know really doing a great job to bring the deeper message to people not about the price not about the get-rich-quick scams and schemes and all that stuff or you or even houghtaling it’s more about Liberation and all that so I’m wondering how you and your mind how you kind of shifted your narrative if you had to or what kind of the kind of dance that you’ve been on to continue the the passion in the momentum even though it’s not a good way to get rich quick thing anymore at this point at least it’s a it’s a get rich slow probably if you’re patient enough but but what do you know what is now it’s as an ambassador you know I’m yes I love this question I mean the first thing that the original white paper with a bow in the first thing that keeps coming back to me is that this is about radical responsibility and so if you’re a baby and you need somebody to feed you and take care of you you don’t get to be free by you have a symbiotic relationship right you’re fed and taken care of then you don’t get to to walk around by yourself but when you grow up in your a teenager and you don’t want your you know your parents to be over your shoulder all times you get to be free and be Reckless and fight your own battles doing get in trouble you know and then sometimes you’re still happy when your parents save you and then you become an adult and then you’re really on your own and you have to rely on your friends and to me is the same thing like where the teenager side of crypto if you look like in sometimes it goes back to the toddler space because it is such a new technology so to me if you’re in it to get rich quick and then you lose all your money and then you’re highest we have to look at the original intention that we got into crypto West and that’s like anything else you know if I get into selling art because I want to be rich and famous and then I I get a couple good swings and I’m become known and then my career crashes then maybe my intention wasn’t sustainable either right because I do believe that were deeply connected and that everything we do inter interferes and intervenes and connect stand and changes what everybody else is doing and so when I take pride and go to Stones ability for my own actions whatever it is they will impact interact with the environment so if I get into crypto because I love the technology and I see hopes in it Shifting the future even if it’s not my generation you know even if it’s a couple Generations after me then it’s the same thing as recycling now or taking care of the water now I’ll to give the generations I had a better future and so it is you know we’re all guilty of this I’m not ashamed I’m not a person who doesn’t make mistakes I make a lot of mistakes and I feel very often you know and so I get to get buck up and and try again and recalibrate my so so we’re all guilty of this and it even it’s not even about Guild is about Lee just a human the human thing and how we’ve weepo created our society is up to this point so with art for example you know it has been with are within crypto actually has been pretty frustrating and pretty magical all interweaved and so to answer your question about how I stay motivated I do go through three times where what I want to say you know screw this like I’ve gotten screwed over so many times people promise you job source close to our gigs and people don’t come through and coins and and all the stuff right and so what I’ve figured is to take us a couple steps back and take care of myself and regenerate and then come back to the space when I feel like I’m strong enough to continue fighting or striking forward for the actual details that I got into it for and so of course I Vino enjoyed the Peaks and making some good income when they was happening and then when it’s not happening is of course very soon because I have put a lot of my eggs in that basket as an artist it’s mostly crypto are interesting that Celtic art but but but yeah I get to you know I took three months off the circuit I stopped going to events for 3 months and as soon as I got just to take care of myself to balance my health and I had a couple minor surgeries and just do to Brown after such a crazy you know 27 countries in like three months or something wild and and it’s been really beneficial and so I was able to come back in and in a recharge and realign and do things that feel true to myself you know like I’m back to give this this technology exposure to bring it to Macedon option to continue to explain any benefits to get how we can be useful for us to the centralize power in the centralized opportunities and so it’s it’s been it’s been great it’s been really difficult but it’s been great to keep me in line and I think the most important thing is that I believe my higher self steers my ship in the best direction for me long term and so if I if I have to take two steps forward and a six-pack just to see the truth and to make sure that I’m powering through with something that’s aligned with my overall mission then I’m grateful for that because and I wasn’t in the past you know like I just get frustrated it would understand but now I’m grateful because I’m really glad that I didn’t become more known when I was 18 or 21 and I was a prick you know like I was not not this aware of my surroundings you know and so then you can go on the record saying pretty stupid shit and then basically creating a Persona that you are yours later in the heavens with Brands and that happens with companies in the happens with you appraise Satoshi for ghosting himself and not sticking his foot in his mouth before people would just like Lynch Mob let me know that someone said that in the podcast reason are like this is so elegant really what he did because you know what would happen if you were to be that prominent of a leader you would be getting roasted by the Senate commission meeting hearings in uni you would be the single point of failure for so much and so too it to remove yourself into it was just I was just thinking about that how long could you last in this world of crypto Twitter and be anybody you know Rodger ver Craig Wright all of these you know people who are as a brother to all masculinity I would say that and let you know there needs to be some seriously deep deep healing men’s groups happening at the top of the upper echelons of crypto to to sort some of the stuff out but I totally feel what you said in there I mean I guess that I heard it was not too long ago that I totally cherish now on is to your point about not blowing up when you were younger when you really wanted to you felt like you deserved it in the world owed you everything that was my story to like I want to be successful as a music you know as soon as a musician at that age and I look back now I’m like oh thank God is that never happened because it happened the successes are cumulative in smaller amounts that you don’t appreciate unless you’re talking my way you’re talking which is it you do appreciate even the failures the way things build up but at this ain’t it meme I know you probably don’t peak in high school you know it meaning if your if the top of your social and political and economic powerhouses to be the prom king or the prom queen and it’s all downhill from there then a lot of that is the story of a lot of people who really front-loaded there best life story with how they did in high school and they didn’t you know so now we’re living in the Revenge of the Nerds wear the people who who or where discipline and booked up and studied now they’re getting the glory and they’re changing the world so do you have any you want to I guess continue to elaborate on this perseverance and and what it means to to have a longer-term vision I’d I’ve been in that situation many times before where I wanted to get there faster and then the whole Journey part is what it’s supposed to be fun right and so still I going to a lot of these thought Loops that I’m sure many of us experienced where I’m trying to build my career with my mind you know I I I have the intentions that are my heart and I trust my intuition and I trust the flow but I’m also a businesswoman and I also studied this rational thinking methods that do work and so it’s been very interesting to learn to think less and make things happen with my mind less in and it’s it’s hard to explain I know I know you get it for sure and I know that a lot of people get it but it’s kind of abstract is this idea that you can really feel in your heart what you want and then Envision it and air conditioning the feeling of how you feel when you’re at the top you know how you feel and what that’s doing for you and your community and how that’s coming back to you too memes about that and where was it you know before it was about it was I was building my career out of fear or almost in a and I didn’t even know it like I was I was trying to get to Financial Freedom so I could help other artists and I even remember saying this on the first podcast we did together so I was saying you know the reason that I want to become free the the reasons that I want to become monetarily free financially abundant it so that I’m free so might I have more of my time to get back to other people and to get back to artists and all of this is true however now I’m starting to see it from a point off of really being in service through all of my actions and it sounds it’s so different because for the last year I’ve been saying you know I’ve been re-reading the artist way and it’s such a magical book to just have on Deck when you lose Faith or when you forget what the process is like to step forward kind of like six back and falling on your face and getting back up in the whole thing and but I really do feel like I’ve been saying for like 6 months or for a year that I want to be in service through my creativity and that I want to bring these transcendental Technologies forward and make them digestible for people who don’t care about the tech and in all of this and all of that was true however I wasn’t ready to really be in service through every single one of my actions I still had all these wishes and wants like wanting to control what kind of car they make whether it is useful in graphic design or not whether it is for high roller collectors or not and so it’s a really delicate thing to to say okay I am in service please use me up to your brush and you know paint through me whatever is needed to be seen that’s a very different experience than making art with My Soul but being controlled by my mind and creating things. Myself you know and so it is very different and and it’s the other wise is long-term doing it this way and it feels way better and so I think I’ll go to a point where I was so burnt out trying to keep up with the speed of blockchain in the speed of the market in the artist in the space that I just almost thought about giving up you know and I wasn’t going to give up on being an artist but I was I was almost going to to continue to advocate for the tech and just like post about it here and there but really remove myself as a blocked an artist because it’s been really interesting people reaching out to use my art really Austin which makes me feel very flattered do you know and I’m thankful that I have a voice in this space but but it was it became this this concept negotiation and constantly explaining to people why I I can’t do all art for free or for exposure and it’s in it’s like a systematic oh sing so traditionally we’ve never really valued art in the same way we balling engineering or or you know if doctors or lawyers and so everybody wants to use the art but very few people are willing to really light since it for what it’s worth so the artist can do is full-time and so so but it’s growing pains again you know so at the end of the day I’m not I’m not stuck on blockchain or stuck on being a crypto artist I’m here to do good through my creativity which I believe is everyone’s purpose 2 weeks to explore the president get back to our community through our own lands and and see where that takes me so I’m still within you know very much within the crypto space I love it I keep advocating for it and then I’m also open to to wherever else I need so what I must focus on right now is donating pieces for to raise money for charity because if I can paint something that I can donate and we can raise funds and crypto to donate to a non-profit that might not get government money that they need their nose feels really great you know and I still get to pay my bills with some cut from the auction and it feels better than the selling to private collectors so some of the private collectors I have are awesome people and we have great relationships and I enjoy creating pretty pieces for them or the fact that I just launched a really enjoyed doing that but I am really only motivated recently by the crypto projects that are actually doing good and so the tour the crypto is is the Department of shape that has recently starts where where are you know donating some of my pieces under auctioning them to raise funds for the the women organization Houston to help Foundation to two kind of support people with wood at home violence and ends and get them feeling better and rehabilitated healing and so that makes me extremely happy to be able to somehow through painting race a bunch of funds together what it what other organizations like the blockchain our Collective and pay book track Financial transparency in Krypton Fiat just all of these projects that are about transparency about trust about giving back about using Krypton Real Time about helping real humans right now and then I’ll have collateral I get to pay my bills you know. Feels a lot better well you’re this is so much to to digest it is such a beautiful and Rich tapestry of of work that you’re doing and it’s it’s humbling and in I’m so thrilled to tip just be alive and in sharing this this moment with you and in the work you’re doing seriously I’m I’m I’m about to take a minute to especially what you just said just this last that the so much of my heart through my life has been wanting to sound the alarms and wake people up and get the capital to float or just the people who need it in for the haves to have something you know the Have Nots to have something from The Haves and just rebalancing wealth and power and I never imagined in a million years when I was deep in an anarcho primitivism and I thought that the way it is to win was to just like shut down the power grid and then everything would go back to the Primitive that was the fantasy that we had and some people still have and now what’s really happening is it is higher-level nuances of technology or actually creating this massive shift of wealth and power and in the division earring artists like yourself or the ones really making it a beautiful process and and sorting it out from all of all of the you know if you feel into dual bevel that you’re operating on in the people that you’re working with who are actually using this technology for social impact and that’s just even kind of a buzzword it’s a deeper thing it’s like we’re talking about fulfilling the dreams of all of the Revolutionary anti-colonial Warriors for hundreds if not thousands of years in this moment of opportunity to seize power that never existed before this global scale at the rate of wireless networks and you can shift millions and millions of dollars of power and put it into the hands of the people who need it most who have been oppressed for millennia and it’s so invigorating and then I see my question for you is since you’re operating in this very purposeful very heart and I’m not project I don’t want to project my you know these be some sort of ideological fragments on to you but I will say that’s like my lenses to see this moment of opportunity for transformation for social political ecological transformation in in just tracking the people who really are the instrument of that like you’re saying being that brush the will of the people that we love the Earth you know being in service and some Curious for you if you will whatever level we were vibing on that we have that residents on like when you look at what The Regulators are doing and what all these ico’s you’re doing and just to fight for really shallow and superficial glory and Grandeur and and the the puffing up and these ego sex so male-dominated and it’s so it’s an insult to chimpanzees to say that what a lot of these these men are doing in these places if of power and privilege and wealth is like so embarrassing if it if she or he is still alive is going to come out and fucking call bullshit on so much shit I just I would love for that to happen but I don’t know I just I’m curious how you feel about the this the grinding of the government and the the Wall Street and all of these people who are not in it for the same reasons the very first thing that comes to mind this I really believe that we operate either from Ciara from love I really think that yin and yang like Basics you know and so when I’m confused in my ethos I or when I’m doing something and it doesn’t feel quite right I always check back to let you know I’m acting out of fear because I feel like I might not be able to pay my bills if I do this or that or am I asking out of love because I absolutely know that this feels right to do and so with with the feminine in the masculine balance in blockchain and then in general it has been really interesting because we are at it feels like we’re at the very beginning of Shifting this into another the female is the future is female in this whole this whole movement it’s we’re doing the again like the one step forward three steps backward kind of thing I was first very motivated with all the the women blockchain groups on Telegram and all these places and I slowly started removing myself from them because it turned into such a male directional system but just a bunch of women saying that they were standing for each other’s rights and supporting each other’s projects but I’ve gotten screwed over by women in the way more than by now so it’s the whole thing about competition and women being catty and all of that that’s ingrained in our society is going to take a minute to shift you know and it’s going to take us the women trusting in each other and prioritizing each other and not in trying not to Cave into the one male directional kind of faster better stronger now step on people to get ahead kind of thing and so it’s been really interesting to see the beautiful initiative of women supporting each other and then again like I just got screwed over by groups of women so much more than by. So friendships and Partnerships that I have with some of the guys working in blockchain and so it’s like almost like the new masculine some of the new masculine dudes in the space are so much more clear on what it means to support women the right way and this has been very surprising and refreshing inside and happy all that wants to know because I wish that women were more my eyes but in there are some you know I’m working with us some people Josie bellini is one of the group the artist that I’m starting to partner up with and she’s super legit and we have the same vision and so that’s a strong female partnership that I found or the Bluffs in our Collective Jackie that I work with very closely she’s incredible and she really gets it you know the whole let’s let’s be centralized opportunities and exposure and pay the artist for what they’re doing and really listen to what artist need for their platform and they help artists you know time to work on to the blockchain with NFC chips near field communication that makes it really easy and so there’s a lot of great stuff happening but a lot of the the dudes are the ones who say Hey you know I want to send me a proposal and let’s get this through and and they don’t ever care to talk with you as a as a flirtatious manner or or look at you in a video chat or anything like this they almost a lot of these men have almost wanted to make it just about enough so much just about the proposal are just about the job to make sure that they’re empowering women forward for their ideas and other sexuality so it’s been really really amazing when a lot of the women end up stepping on each others footsteps or end up you know spending out of pocket and exhausting themselves to be speakers on another conference just to kind of make their brand and and and you know the whole to your point of all these the small coins and people competing and it’s it’s just a natural way by feel like the compassion side of me because of that the angry side of me would just really sadness wants to to leave the space and say you know like fuck their sights on my on my part and it’s been it’s been like 4 years for me really like full-time advocating for this stuff and and I’ve taken a lot of shit and Nei but I’ve offered a lot and now it’s time for me to take a break and then the inside of me says damn I really understand living out of fear vs. living out of love and wanting to recalibrate on your own us us on our own as we’re waiting up and so I can see how if you have you know if you’re excited about the technology and you have all these energy and you launch a coin and then things get difficult than you want to pay your team or you want to not fail so badly then you’ll do anything to get up there and fortunately those are really great proof of Concepts in all things. That pop up and become crazy and and and fail and then how people feel and how people come back you working with others that are that are creating useful systems like like the term for the crypto is basically sitting up wallets for the heart foundation in Houston and in basically told that if any small coins want to be a part of it they have to donate $1,000 in crypto and that goes straight to Hawk you know and so their ideas to raise I think 1 million into an in crypto funds in their receiving tryptophan from all over the world from India from Australia from everywhere for Houston directly to them and so you know there’s a lot of really wonderful projects like that and that’s clearly done out of love you know they weren’t even meaning to take a cut in the beginning like there it just end up working out because it’s such a wonderful cost but it’s such a such a twister storm off of fear and love and a sweet compassionately awaken in this process all the demons come out like all the Shadows come out and that’s the only way that we can really hold each other accountable and that’s why it’s so important so I know this is a Long Branch but I guess my whole point of this too is that I don’t think we should be afraid of really standing for what we believe and you know I’m I’m sure that it burns Bridges and I said some stuff about different teams that I feel disappointed in but if I was on their side and Music Resort is over here like I hope you will call me out of my shit I hope people say you know that wasn’t cool that you did this or this is even if she thought it was cool and even if it did good this is how we also impacted your community like please tell me you know and that’s what the best gift that we have is that we are reflections of each other and so I still believe in the ethos of of this movement but I’m glad that that a lot of things are failing very fast you know I’m not a lot of fear it’s kind of just disappearing out of the out of a space once again you are extremely moving in all of your discourse and there’s so many I wish we had years to to unpack all of these things are so much that I can relate to and that I that I care deeply about and just some some highlights from from what you said really the the gender politics that are playing out in this face it gets it goes to a point someone I heard saying a podcast recently suggested you know if anything even if even if cryptos go to zero and everything fails and it doesn’t change anything if the experiment of Bitcoin did nothing else it will be to have revealed like you said all the shadows in the demons that come out so now we know how the rich get richer it’s through the SEC mandating that if you don’t have $1000000 net worth or 200 $200,000 coming in a year you don’t get to play in the big leagues with all of the other accredited investors not because you’re not smart enough or you’re not capable enough is because you’re not in their boys club and we didn’t know that before how many people knew about the laws of the SEC that we’re being ruled by they were the same and you know by revolving door industry and government Smoke Filled Room back door. Cabal’s that have been running the show running the 2008 collapse and profiting from it and it’s all thanks to bitcoin Satoshi in this all these things are there being revealed and what you’re talking about being revealed is that a sort of hyper-masculinity and the the competition happening amongst women and it’s it it reminds me like Anna Tantra world were talking about Sisterhood and witch covens and women coming together with their Shakti and proclaiming the power and M you just send in my experience I see a lot of these some really humble and kind hearted attempts to reweave women together with nature in to have solidarity with each other with red tents and all kinds of herbalist practices and Moon Lodge is all that kind of stuff and then still this baggage from the patriarchy of fighting over the prom queen mystique and all this stuff in or fighting into a masculine. I move of being knowledge and power and I I know a lot of them would say to me you know all these men who are trying to be allies to women and pro-feminist men make their really romanticizing this this concept of Sisterhood because a lot of times even in relationships women will feel that manner that I mean this is a little bit crude but if you don’t mind I’m going to put out they were basically staying in a manner easy it’s like they just want to say just want to fucking get off and pass out and they’re not going to you’re not going to start for the most part they’re not going to expand Access Energy being conniving and Engineering your demise you know but women or are tell tell me like you you’re so in fantasy dream world thinking about Sisterhood and coo by Otto s that’s because the shadow Sisterhood is really that women are not simple like men and they will go to Great Lengths to make your life hell if it benefits them in so I don’t know if you you know resonate with that on that level of intimacy but but I know that I’ve heard the same sort of parallel is at a bisexual bisexual women’s female lovers can be more more abusive even then some of the male lovers on different levels and levels of persistence and I’m wondering if you know that that is a parallel Hill are here if just think what is it take to heal Sisterhood in this context I don’t know if the if you could go anywhere with that or what you feel would be the weight the way out of that that maze that Labyrinth of a patriarchal Dynamics is really it’s really a true and it has a bunch of levels like everything I I relate to a lot of that you know women women have this we just have the capacity to see web Sand Gnats and all that right in a very different way and I do leave the male directional forceful cuts through in in a line or help that the line to see where to direct the energy right before a long time women have had to be the female and the male write the feminine to masculine balance like me running my own business and so many women intrapreneurs driving in a in a male German World we have to be both and so I think that’s what’s actually made when it’s so conniving and so itchy and and and have in created the opportunity 744 us to become obsessive about whatever and wanting to win in that way because I don’t think women naturally like you usually we use that energy to protect their crops to protect our our communities you know what we’re using it that way based on all this and all of this competitive stuff that we’ve had to that we’ve had to Surf you know in order to get ahead because there’s only one spot versus a hundred spots for do so that’s one part of the other part that I’ve been struggling with and really enjoying learning about is that I’m dating a person who’s a new masculine you know and that’s another thing and I wonder how you feel about this the pendulum for women husband swinging you know from hyper masculine to have your feminine in from extreme and now Olivia Lane into the softness again and they’re super the blend of femininity and masculinity within the woman I think for men this has been happening a lot in a very extreme way and so now you know what dating app a new masculine male has been really interesting because he has been understanding and supportive and we said I don’t think I’ve ever experienced he’s been more honest and transparent in ways I don’t think I’ve ever experienced in at the same time sometimes we struggle with the femininity and masculinity balance you know because I am at the new feminine also doing the pendulum saying when I’m still trying when I’m still having to be very direct and having to take charge of my life and having to be very extreme and disciplined and ended almost in this masculine way for my business and then he’s having to explore his femininity in order to be a compassionate open-hearted mail and so I don’t know if that’s come up any in your life or in this new new shift but I think that a lot of dudes are super confused and they don’t know how to be than in the masculine or how it how to get the old school male and so I look forward start a conversation stupid because in this is also why I like I mean on this podcast because talking about intro and energy imbalance and all that does influence how we relate to each other in the business world or how we co-create these energies that then. Then affect everything wow yeah we we really it’s fine it’s funny I’ve been I’ve been hiding for myself I’ve been sort of them as I’ve been entering the crypto space more I want to dim the lights on the the Tantra aspect of myself and I want to hear I feel like a people ask me what that means I would like you don’t want to know just let’s talk business it was just talk with them that rabbit-hole your deep enough into the Satoshi Redbubble don’t go there but the truth because when you send me the website to be a part of you know one of the models on your site I knew. Based on my brand I I don’t really it isn’t like I can’t but I choose not to based on my brain and it was a hard thing for me to say to you because I believe in what you do and I think it’s important to merge these two world and so I I think you were in your providing a really epic opportunity for us to have these discussions and talk about some of the difficult things and the sexuality and all the stuff I think what you’re doing is really empowering for a lot of people that perfectly fit fit that needs right now and then and then it challenge me honestly to be real with you and I was scared that you might be upset or that you might think that I’m not supportive of what you’re doing but there’s all these new ones this and we need to be able to exactly speaker boundaries and exactly how we support each other in to piss people off you know and then and then be able to grow from there hopefully so I think that and I guess I challenge you do seem to really think about this stuff when it does come up and to educate people on it take you so much for saying that there really is a booster shot of I really really powerful encouragement and dad to tell you the truth when I have been very selective and very careful about how I because you know I’m people that’s cliche now to say in the in the age of the me-too movement how does a man even look at a woman even how how many seconds of a glance or a gaze is it appropriate before you might receive a a Twitter storm and stuff like that so I’m walking on eggshells hoping to dance on eggshells and to be perfectly honest when I sent this out to you I sent out the the the invitation to you immediately afterwards before many days have gone by wondering I was already wanted to bury myself one of the deepest rock on Earth I could find you know but I totally understand I’m totally appreciate it and I’m interesting brush to be painting with it if you will be coming from the soundtrack perspective which is that I believe will everybody is sexiness is a state of mind that is the state of energy in that no matter what your your meat space bio bodysuit is shaped like whatever your DNA is you know I would say you know Stephen Hawking could be the sexiest man on Earth if you felt if you felt like if he was in the mood you know what I mean there’s no there’s no physical limitations on on that aspect of sexual energy flow and in transmission and so I see definitely beyond that in part of the you know this is we haven’t decided it by name here but what we’re talking about right now and it’s conversation is it my my I guess transmutation of my Sexual Energy and of my tongue trick energy into the crypto space has been this building a platform that is based on aetherium Smart contracts that will enable women who are working to heal the earth into Empower each other and to raise healthy children and to have good boundaries into really be militant in defending their sacred spaces building temples that that’s kind of the nutshell white paper of what I’m calling the survival women project where people can go and just like he is really all inspired by spankchain and it’s all animoj to ameen soleimani who created it a business model where he asked for you know him and the team of spankchain they’re taking 5% of the tips that comes through the webcamming platform they built to rival the the big incumbent Legacy webcamming platforms for the adult industry where they take upwards of fifty percent from the model so the the beauty of blockchain crypto for spankchain is that you gave him so much power with the Rays that they did with an Ico I would say to be very radical and very experimental with with charging very small taking a very small cut of the margins to empower the model so I’ve been making the best money in my life myself as a performer in spankchain so I’m I’m just riffing off of their approach to things can I say okay I’m going to build a website where cuz it be billed cryptotitties. Com cities was a very ballsy very Cavalier tongue-in-cheek spoof on cryptokitties and all the really is a leaderboard of women who bear their breasts in pictures and they have a nice address send you can tip them with ease and so I don’t know how many tens of thousands of dollars of Youth as of this moment have gone through of just horny Millennial millionaire toddlers in Tech engineers in each world you were just like Yelp tip some titties on cryptokitties. Caso I need to hit the books I need to let you know hire some solidity developers and actually make a website that transmits that Spirit of giving that East Contra holders have an allow people to to bestow their eat upon the kind of women who I look up to and respect and facilitate not just random tipping for being sexy you’re looking good but actually do more of like what giveth. IO is doing and what they’re doing is facilitating peer-to-peer basically giving p go with wealthy ability to directly impact the lives of those who they believe in who’s projects that they believe in and give a platform for people to say hey this is me this is what I do if you help me with this much I will accomplish this goal if you help me at once I accomplish that goal if you help me with this much I will accomplish the next Bowl so it’s between giveth and spankchain I said I’m going to put the two together and add my spice into cents and make my little humble very very technically humble version but synthesizes both of them which is sexy Miss on the blockchain and empowered Nissim black chain and and giving and just wearing it all up so that’s what that’s what I have attempted to do as my way of fun giving back and being being myself being a part of the blockchain space and so I just wanted to put that note in there for anybody is listening who hasn’t heard previous episodes wife that talked about it but you know this is yeah but that was it that way to catch people up on that and I thank you for bringing that into it to get back to your question and point and this dialogue about gender politics and in the just the future in general which it is a blockchain future there’s no doubt about that so when we say the future we can just leave the but we don’t even have to specify block Jamie redundant the future is blockchain the future is now we’re living in it and and so is beautiful I would say that you’re experiencing these new dimensions of of care and concern and compassion from your beloved and and um to to get to the the point of I guess the opportunity and the I mean a lot of it is one of my dear friends and space is actually very seriously outspoken about being a feminist crypto entrepreneur who who feels that we are in this deep shift of a return to the to the feminine way of of discourse in politics and of course the blockchain decentralization is a feminine feminizing for us and that it’s going to flip a lot of paradigms on her head and even said once really that day he would even say that Donald Trump is in certain ways and embodiment of them of the feminine compared to certain other I mean it’s it’s you have to you have to stretch your definitions a bit the stuff that you said as well with the whole you know technology has extreme technology and extreme systems have very often been adopted by the port Industries Superstar by the adult industry first you know coming from sex robots in Japan and China and to anything you can think about I think this is because you know the super controversial topic I don’t get to talk about it off then and I want to be totally candid about it sometimes when I go to websites like cryptotitties or you know spankchain when I first heard about it and I didn’t know anything about 30 mother Mission or anything I was I was a little surprised and I didn’t know which side I was going to take I didn’t know how I was going to talk about these things I think these movements and when talking about sexuality in general the challenge people to to look at their own boundaries with insects and and and their own definition of what sexuality is what power where is what what what sex is what the weather sex and sexuality are connected or not at all all of these things and so it is a part of the educational movement to for us to move forward together so I think the human curiosity and the life force that is sexual energy is makes makes a lot of sense that a lot of Technology would go for their first there’s also a lot more flexibility within what to do in those space that’s right because it is Extreme just just us an arm and so when talking about sexuality and anything is just like kind of accepted that you can be more extreme and that you can you can stretch the boundaries tomorrow be more elastic about it and so it’s it’s been challenging for me to talk about this publicly and 2 in to see some of my really good friends I agree with a lot on Twitter kind of posting the more extreme content like you know a clip of a cam girl in explaining their thoughts about it so it’s to me so deep I mean like we have to talk about self-empowerment and all the stuff we’ve all had some experience I think of seeing a sexualized woman in a way that is or a man in a way that is empowering and then also seen that same situation anyway that’s really sad right like I’ve been to some strip clubs where it’s just sad and I want to cry and eat a bucket of ice cream and call my boyfriend afterwards and I’ve been to some strip clubs where the girls or the boys are super empowered love what they’re doing and it’s like a burlesque show and it feels like like a very exhilarating experience and and I still don’t know exactly where I stand in that so I feel like for me it’s has been really shocking to see to see both of the both of beyond the conversations going so people are horrified about it you know or just think it’s women exploitation some people think it’s completely empowering at the end of the day it’s like you choose the industries that you care about in that you agree you know if there’s anything in the adult industry with anything in Tantra world if is anything in or or totally different moms like if it’s in steampunk art or low broil or Grill Saint photography or there’s just you know so many ROMs that are very contradicting or very specific and you have to admit I do think that all of that challenges our views of society and ends and I think the most the most important thing is if we continue to be super truthful about it and if we are willing to take the role of the educator which is tricky you know and in before you were willing to be the scapegoat and to make mistakes into to have all of us learn in the process then we’re in the right spot you know but it is definitely a is definitely a challenging role to take and some of us don’t choose to be in it we’re just kind of thrown in it or that’s part of her purpose and so I think you’re one of those people I think I’m going people and I think if anybody has something to say that is controversial or that disagrees with you or me or anyone in in the kind of a similar position we get to say you know step step into the ring like if you if I get hate comments from people that have fake accounts and I don’t even know who they actually are I don’t get to have a conversation with that I have people commenting negative stuff sometimes you know about are like oh I really hate that you’re making or whatever you know angry comments and I get to have conversations with them and then we actually both grow so so it’s it’s it’s really interesting time I think in blockchain in in the world in general as we’re shifting to his feminine power thing and I think we need to be open and respectful and understanding the word we’re headed for a lot of mistakes you know we’re very early on we’re supposed to make on the mistakes now so that we can learn from them in the future I love that that you know what comes to mind is this I have this this sick joke that I I play in my mind every time I’m at a crypto Conference & Order or even just listen to podcasts wear in advertisements where everyone’s tagline in their crypto project practically is like the world’s first such-and-such the world’s first like Oh you mean the world’s most statistically guaranteed to fail why would she say the world’s second or your you don’t want to be the first one because the people who are they they scavenge from the failures in the mistakes and the looking at what went wrong in these in these first round and first attempts and that it’s it’s funny it is it’s his comical and certainly there’s a lot a lot to be sorted out something that I really appreciate about what you mentioned in the last episode was just talking about bringing more wellness and more holistic kind of activity zones to to blockchain conferences from what you’ve experienced in your wisdom and what your protein and navigating do you want to provide some words of wisdom and advice for males in General Mills particularly and in a crypto space in how they can be really solid allies to two women who are coming into a the more the empowerment that is this new age of of a rebalancing of the feminine and also then advice for women who were sorting out these different Tendencies of hyper-masculinity and in trying to reweave Sisterhood and stuff so just to kind of open-ended questions I need trust that a lot of our audience is composed of people who can read fairly in between the lines I feel like you and I touch on so many different topics and we get we only get to see if you think about it but the hole in between the lines will complete the conversation so I think you know what I mean like when something with some people you talkin and you just get to say enough about it that is spent every once we used to thinking and feeling into that and I feel 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Com magic you can see the portals of creativity that I share some of them are just to get into the flow it like learn how to freestyle rap in 15 minutes you know anybody can learn how to freestyle rap by brain hacking yourself into your creative flow and some of them are some type of channeling experience call it what you will to me it’s just intuition and being able to be sensitive to the subtleties in the space but I do and you know a lot of them are Healing Arts and collaborative Community murals in all these things so I hope that I said Community the crypto community community whoever is listening to this we can start really using art as Healing Arts in a healing therapies and I don’t know how many artists are interested in having these clothes shops but one of my first one of my main missions has always been to empower each other and in to help each other remember that we are all created and how to hack into a creative flow and I think that’s in general very healing for everyone because it does help females and males get back in touch with both of their sides and so for male advice and of course is the super person also take and take what is he’s falling in and lie but it’s not but I do feel like it’s also applies to a good amount of people that I’ve seen a deal with this recently I think women I think men can really work on receiving sending an emotion and so that doesn’t mean that that you have to as a male sit and listen to a woman complaining or talk or whatever for hours on end it just means reflective listening and saying things like saying things like I hear you that must hurt or I assure you that must be difficult so reflective listening and really simple receiving of emotion is what feels like it’s missing very often because men are very usually tend to deliver Solutions and I know this because I have a really strong masculine side and I tend to do this and piss people off that are more feminine and so I’m speaking from both kind of from both sides I know that when I try to help out some of my girlfriends you know I’ll start delivering Solutions and they’ll say hey I’m not a solution Modine I’m still in Emotion mode so like this is not helpful and I know that I felt very disrespected and unsupported by my muscle in Partners when this has happened this also advised for men is or for hyper masculine any type of body that you’re inviting would be how to receive feminine Emotion by reflective listening and saying things like I hear you that must be difficult or I hear you that must be interesting to be feeling maybe a couple follow-up question and then even though it sounds counterintuitive with receiving the emotion being able to cut through it as a do it because that’s the stuff that’s really helpful for me as a woman like I don’t want to get stuck in a cycle of talking and talking and talking sometimes and in continuing to perpetuate a vibration that might not be my highest I want to say what I’m saying feel heard and then I want to be snapped out of it and so I got my best masculine moments I can do that for other people some people call it circling shifting you know radical honesty reflective whatever there’s so many different ways but I noticed that sometimes in my mail Partnerships I need more of that I need somebody who’s going to stay cool I hear you and I myself but like can we move into can we shift the energy and so for women on the other side it would be it would be so I understand that men tend to provide solutions for the masculine energy tends to provide solution and for women to be compassionate and to know that a lot of times hyper-masculine people are receiving a motion to the best of their abilities and what they need from us is sometimes to teach them the tools to say hey reflective listening will make me feel more hurt because a lot of times I know that very sensitive man will receive the emotions and will feel kinship and it will feel all of this but they don’t have the right tools sometimes to stay you know to do the reflective listening really receive the emotion how women do like women are very good at holding space that receiving or feminine people are very good at receiving the energy receiving the space and holding space for somebody to cry without having to say anything for example right and so I think those are the things we can help each other with to balance more you know the masculine people that can absolutely be male female or anywhere in between the hyper masculine energy to receive emotion better and reflective listening and to cut people to shift people out of their vibration when it’s no longer useful when it’s been too long end the hyper-feminine people to be kind to man and to give them the tools to receive a motion to hold space for a motion is that is that kind of what you were going to so beautiful and in with the crown jewel of this moment that they just came to mind just right now is that you know I have been any dating myself with pretty much all of the major crypto YouTube channels and podcasts for over a year-and-a-half now I have binge Listen to In binge-watched And subscribe and have been just processing all of this you can pretty much that the major streams of of of influencers in the space and I certainly I thought the ones I gravitate to I want to shut them out my favorite my favorite male heads in the crypto influencers space are Omar bam of cryptos news and crypto Bobby no crypto happy how her usually is that on YouTube or kept us at our depending on the market and Carter Thomas brings it down to understanding how well she works how old is systems work how the game is rigged how it’s played and how to have how to survive crypto without the whales eating your lunch I just wanted to plug those those three men you know from my diet of crypto news but I’m on the female side I guess I would say Lori sessions podcast I’m confirmed and Unchained and she’s really working through a navigating and digesting some of the most absurd and ridiculous by toxic masculinity Tendencies as a female performer Forbes Financial writer and just one of the highest-ranking women in the space I follow her work and and she so I’ll just bring a couple of the name is the crypto God is Chelsea Penner I’m a fan of her work and also Alex and burger of women crypto I’ve seen her speak a couple times now and I feel like this really good real I mean one of the things she talks about is organizing face-to-face groups for women in crypto to come together and just like you please take it off of this crypto Twitter Insanity because half of it is like corporate role spam robot algorithms just character assassinating people and you know to be in that game and to play that game I just want to say that you know to my final thoughts will be on this whole like in contrast to what you’re saying you’re talking about really intelligent are looking at conflict and looking at a motion in the just the Beauty and the ugliness of human communication and understanding and actually and actually until figuring out ways to optimize our relationships you know with communication and with the brains and his hearts and you know what I would say the chakras that we all have and it’s like we’re always super Advanced technical Engineers are they can program and write a million lines of code to make any robot to go to the Mars and back or whatever and they can’t figure out how to have a balanced heart mind soul Spirit conversation with their family members with people that they disagree with and you go and I just wanted to say what came to mind was with me when you’re talking was like this this Joe Joe Lubin Jimmy song ethereum dapps vs. Bitcoin maximalism hyper debate that Laura Shin tried to facilitate if you listen to the podcast you’re going to get you’re going to love it because she is there like trying to Wrangle in these dudes trying to like is it all about it’s just so much I would say you know you put this on record I feel like Jimmy song is the more toxic of the two and I really feel like Joe Lubin is a huge hero to me and in the space I feel like you just come from a more feminine place but if you if you just listen to the three of them try to shoehorn this feminine technology and freedom into the box of of really verbally violent kind of debate and positional I just aggression and flows like right through the cracks and Jimmy’s like trying to play whack-a-mole with Joe and he’s just like floating what are the terms what are the chances going to be how much money in this is it and is it safe Felicia making and the other one’s more in like the emotion face it’s I mean it’s it’s interesting I think in general one one painful in that I’ve been feeling and that I think is important to say I don’t want to get out get out of this podcast without saying it is that we we have a lot of badass women in the space that really really want to facilitate and hold the circles and hold the spaces and create the space for us to shift but in a I’m one of these people about we do get burned out you know and sometimes our sometimes I feel like this it’s too soon it’s too soon for crypto it’s too soon for all these things and it’s not it’s perfect timing that’s why we’re here but I I just hope that we can all be a more compassionate and just in respect the people wherever they are that are really really here for the right reasons I really care about the space and hopefully we can listen to each other more because I would hate to see so many of these people you know like I took a three-month Hiatus basically from the space just to recalibrate and be able to come back and be strong after feeling totally depleted after being in the in the in the space and and feeling like I left three projects you know that I was the only woman in and that I couldn’t shift the balance of the male dominance by myself and I ended up leaving and so in the projects I loved projects and people I loved and I just couldn’t do it because every time I gave a suggestion that was feminine it was trampled over by the masculine away and then months later they had these realizations and they did change assistants and they Implement in my original feedback but it was just crushing to be there in advocating for I would all of my spirit into just get completely denied and trampled over and I just feel like so many women are feeling that ran out into space in a lot of people are going to say fuck it you know like I’m here trying to Wrangle these men in like these women too and in the level they masculine and feminine G space and sometimes it’s it’s you know it’s not happening and people get burned out and leaving so let’s not lose the people that are epic and that are working on these things from a heart center place they’re so so so many of us and there’s a lot a lot of room to grow from here so I would love to connect with these women that you mention more some of them I know I also love all crypto news Omar the body like I also really enjoy some of these people’s podcasts and information but yeah this is a you know if you are hearing this and you you’re one of these crypto women who want to meet up face-to-face or just resonates with you please reach out to me cuz I’m always looking for collaboration also I can’t thank you enough I owe this is way more than I bargained for and I feel like yeah this is a huge huge sigh of relief and hopefully this will be some guiding lights for folks and let’s do it more often and feel free to anytime reach out and and give me some updates and just yeah I bet you’re back and I bless you with all my you know magical powers as well as they just keep doing the great work that you’re doing and hell you want to share your iPod care of your your elbows and ways to connect again just so people can Meadowbrook Sun Twitter of course I just launched the fashion line that is there’s one that’s crypto Centric and it’s a lot of you know symbols from the crypto space and the other one is sweet and so they’re still sort of leggings and tops and stuff like that and I hope to grow this business to the fashion line to a place where I can always have a non-profit component like all the rest of my heart and all of my options I always have one I donate you know 50 60% to some call stuff that makes cents inso so yeah just wear the message are you believe in is basically why I created this line because we we where we wear Nike and all these weird and I’ll brands that what are they doing for us and so if you have something that you would want to create a t-shirt for or something like that I’m also open to collaborations not space and it’s saying thank you so much for it for you are one of the new masculine to creating the space right creating the container for these conversations to happen so I’m super super appreciative of you and I would love to do this again soon thank you again and now that you do Natasha Lyonne stuff I will definitely be talking with you soon about about exploring some of those those kind of opportunities to to get some of those your product lines available through the project I’m doing so very exciting stuff stay strong stay pure hearted and kind hearted and I will do my best to do the same and feel free to call me out I guess playing with fire I’m playing with fire right now with where I’m going with what I’m doing and so you know I always feel free to like rain I might Rain on My Parade if it’s necessary I would appreciate any feedback on each other I really appreciate that I will hopefully see you around and you take care and have a great day thank you for listening to the Tantra Punk please go to www. 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