In this episode I’m joined by the most seminal and influential male mentor in my life path of tantra. Destin Gerek’s work really set me in motion back in 2009 and there would be no tantra punk had I not been deeply moved by his insights.
As destiny would have it, our paths would cross and we’d discover co-creative synergy over the course of several years. Our mutual aid of each other’s projects and passions resulted in my appearance in his sexual self mastery for men online training course.
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- his journey of personal exploration, research and development of the program, and what he has learned over the years of offering it
- the behind the scenes of the production of the instructional videos in which I was featured
- the importance of this work to advance masculinity
- deprogramming from sex negative culture
- the outline of the program modules and the theory and philosophy behind the practices
- sacred set and setting without being too woo woo
- how women need boys to become men, in bed and beyond
- how men need to learn to heal rather than wound with their sexuality
- the need for leadership and men’s groups to help the masculine evolve
- my experience during the shoot, my intentions and hopes to help men become more conditioned for better love and sex within and beyond themselves
- the future of erotic media projects we’ve discussed in the past
- how earlier works in our careers may finally see the light of day
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Destin Gerek is an internationally recognized leading voice in masculinity, sexuality, and personal empowerment. The greatest power of Destin’s transformational work is that he embodies it. Destin has taken all that he’s learned, studied, and explored, and integrated it fully into his being, such that he really walks his talk. As host of “The Evolved Masculine: Redefining Sex, Power, & Success” podcast, Destin brings 20+ years of direct study, training and active life experimentation to help you have better sex, deeper connection to your masculine power and understand women and most importantly yourself like never before. Recognizing the need for new role models for men in these changing times, Destin is dedicated to redefining and evolving masculinity for the 21st century. Author of the forthcoming book “The Evolved Masculine: Be the Man the World Needs, and The One She Craves” due out late Summer 2019.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello their beloveds welcome to Township on podcast episode number 195 I’m being joined Again by Destin Garrick a masculine empowerment coach I want to be a redneck reference back to our episode we did a while back now called the future of masculinity and neurotic media with Dustin Garrett that was episode number 53 where we get deep into the backstory the personal history and all of that good stuff so please do refer back to that to get some some more of those personal details what we’re going to focus on today is a discussion of our mutual project that I was blessed to be an actor in and into play some important roles in throughout the process but the real Mastermind and the village is the brainchild of Destin Garrick and is the sexual self Mastery Program which I know has had many evolutions and iterations over time and I am proud to say that I’ve been apart of the the late revamp of that program and it is really one of the most for me a inspiring works of art in and of itself and again the pride I have of being a part of it is is really one of the the highlights of my my life and career so far and I have to bow down to all of those whose whose shoulders that we stand upon a nerve in our past and there and really give the floor now to Destin to tell us all about the history of this program the how it ties in with with his path over time and what you can expect from it if you were to Avail yourself so yeah but that said thank you again for joining Justin please tell us all about it you’re broadcast did you see me once more with your audience and of course just the incredible way in which you showed up during our filming of the sexual self mastery program which I’m going to want to see more about my experience of you during it at some point here but let’s start with the somebody Origins year I started having sex when I was somewhere around sixteen to strive 7:17 and like a lot of men my first couple of times didn’t last very long from there the to get the hang of things and my girlfriend at the time I just remember one time where she was riding on top of me and she started to go into some sort of orgasmic outer space Galactic ride I don’t know what the hell she was doing where she was going eyes rolling back in the head body shaking all sorts of crazy sound coming out of her and I just remember looking up at her and thinking I don’t know what she’s experiencing all I know is I’ve never experienced anything like that before and I want to so I started to explore and look like how how do I experience the and the basic message that I would find is sari candy you can’t yam Wildman have an easier time coming women could you do I explore find deep connection to their sexuality and the experience things their orgasms I are just so far outside of what man can experience and I don’t like the story and a few years later at 19 years old I came across a month like she undergoes Abrams Seminole book The multi-orgasmic Man and I thought I’d stop by the book of course came home serving it and I was like what is this I had a really hard time connecting to it you know it was a 19 year old Jewish white man in America and it was a 67 year-old it is man in Thailand and we have different life perspectives that experiences that was the first sexuality which had its roots has the focus on working with your sexual energy to promote Health and Longevity well let me just tell you at 19 years old I wasn’t thinking about Health and Longevity I was invincible I wanted so I don’t know and I’m looking at these diagrams of a man sitting in a chair and these hours to run up to his body about energy circulation room so I put the book on the shelf and I continued on my past of erotic exploration fast forward a bit and I spent my whole undergraduate years at NYU with a focus around six reality and gender Dynamics well and then start a graduate program at San Francisco State that did not complete I end up dropping out about six months before completion and went to the institute for advanced study of human sexuality where their certification place a logical Bodywork and through that combination of things especially the Bodywork training I became a I started experiencing an ini team about it in such a different way than the way that was described in this book that’s how I started realize I am regularly having experiences in my body that most men don’t even realize are possible and then I had a man in my life in my community essentially who heard about my newfound abilities and asked me to teach him and I was like I don’t know if I can teach you but he insisted and I started having a call with him every week and asked him a bunch of questions and guiding him in some way and within a few weeks is lasting long and they never laughed before and a few weeks after that his first non ejaculatory orgasm and then another one and then another one and another one and essentially and I’m just too much I might have something here over the next year I put together my first liked video training program been called orgasmic Mastery from premature ejaculation smell multiple orgasms and there was a 12-week video training to where we’re basically I reverse-engineer everything that I was doing in my body and started putting out to the world and people started buying and engaging and after about a year of working with people in this way I started to really question okay some guys are not getting very much from this at all and other guys are going from self-described 5 pump chump to becoming you know I’m feeling like I got totally ejected and I started out very curious as to what’s making that difference and I’m sorry calling up these clients of mine and interviewing them and started to get clear like what are those differences that really makes a difference that was 10 years ago so I had 10 years of owning that that process working with now thousands of men through the program making a better and better and better more more effective and you know how ever I also was feeling like I am I spend the first 7 plus years of it teaching people like me sitting in front of a camera talking to them and I got very good at finding the right words and stealing those those those little details that little distinctions of what they should be paying attention to what they need to be doing however I know that at the end of the day monkey see monkey do I just knew that as well as this is working the success rates going to go up when men can actually see what this looks like I just try to wrap their head around it but see in a man in multi-orgasmic States so I got a wish I mean tell me you have you ever whoever’s listening have you seen a man in multi-orgasmic states with all of our lesser of foreign why don’t we see that all right oh damn it then and I I you know through conversation with him I got this really on the staff is really done this work he’s he’s connected to this and you know he’s just he’s not just talk he’s he’s got this in his body I can tell you’re too I get it from the camera so we put together this this whole shoot it was a really incredible experience and we found something really remarkable bring in leg film artist you know folks are really talented behind the camera so that’s why I Look Beauty aesthetic in the art and I also need to know that most men are not going to want to sit and watch another man just touch himself or three months so I also brought in a young woman who has her path but who could be doing the practices as well and we could stay on both of them and interplay the the two videos over one another so that you can both of you were to see how this works in both body and kind of override some a homophobia stuff and I couldn’t have said it better and described it better and that is really it really touches me now thinking about how much refinement and how much thought and intelligence and work has gone into arriving at these very important conclusions about how to how to scale up and transmit this in and really solving that that home Cobia issue overriding that bringing in the overlay of the the female aspect was so Timmy so effective and I instantly got it when when you said that and made total sense to me how much of a deal-breaker will be for for men to sit for 3 plants watching another man touching cervix East Jessamine wouldn’t have a problem with it exactly so now and at this point you have done since that has formally launched in what we might call beta a while things are still being technically ironed out then you’ve had a a batch of initiate suit of experience the full Glory of that of that program so far is that about wrapping okay well do you want to talk about the from your perspective I would love to hear what the before-and-after is for you as the tea now with this this this new tool set the ASL teacher it’s which on the video of the in such a way that the end users in their room with them like speaking directly to him and it’s the video is split into three primary Parts there is like the teaching this is like me speaking to the viewer through the camera this is what you need to know the second part is you is the demonstration has been and Caitlin are female balance on doing the practices again you can see what they are actually like in practice in action we’ve been it often is a kind of advanced version of it something in the reason why I close sexual self-mastery is Master D is a pass this is not these other three tricks to do tonight to be the multi-orgasmic man is a path to walk to something to cultivate what are they now you got to like give it attention every day I’m so giving giving this attention your path of self-mastery using your own body you’re on patrol the as the grounds but you will continue to grow I mean most men masturbate many masturbate every day it is part of your life now for Moosomin arguably it’s stress relief it’s a sleeping aid it’s a distraction from the rest of their life or something or they do because they’re distracted by sex and they just want to like knocked out so I could get back to what they were doing before but it can be so much more than that but that was Jesus frases self-cultivation I in cursive men to develop what I call a practice of erotic self-exploration and this is the differentiated from your typical masturbation I’m already has the reservation at this is what I do because it’s what I do is how I get off and also no tablets are what they’ve been doing for years decades not like since they were you know an adolescent or before and those would generally done to get on with the prime directive of your parents home and you need to get this done quickly and quietly without getting caught this thing is chances are you’re not living in your parents you’re not oh maybe you should have it a different focuses than what you’re doing at 4 and we have certainly not having the kind of control that you really wants a hat and then could ask yourself if you’re still carrying something radio quickly and quietly without getting caught, what type of practice do you really think you’re putting into your nervous system how you train your body do you really believe it’s not having any sort of an impact on that how you showing up when you’re with the printer is I’m having flashbacks to how I developed and why I developed in win the first time in one of your one of your interviews were you made that point I realized how blessed I was personally that my mother was the first time the first and only time she walked in on me if she didn’t bust me for playing with myself she allowed me to get dressed and come out after she had shut the doors do you know if she saw was happening to shut the doors and she walked away and you know I I was freaked out and I was maybe ten 9 or something and remember it very clearly getting put in my my clothes back on and coming out and in and being crestfallen and shoegazing and and she gave me a hug and she said it’s okay that you do that and I was in and and she also spared my foreskin and when we talked about that at some point in my development she said I wasn’t going to have you be mutilated so I had a head start on the left stuff that I have to really thank her for it and so anyone who enjoys the work that I’ve done in this program or or Beyond we all have to get it to thank her for being enlightened in those ways and so I don’t say that to put anybody down Who had who has been circumcised or has been more formally shamed in their erotic self-exploration Journey but I would say it’s please let’s break that cycle now and let’s let’s teach this this sex positive mindset for the Next Generation so we can avoid a lot of the stuff but that’s just a little PSA there I’d love to hear you yet talk more about what is in the modules and sort of give us the Arc of the journey that that The Miz men are taking very well as a particular interest in touch the topic but I do believe that we are very well reach our dropping and and we’re going to see it in the years ahead of sense and maybe not having the right to take a scalpel to somebody else’s body when they are too young to be able to say yes or no to it phone cases that we’re going in a heart in our society and our understanding of things and going to leave to a major decrease there so could you did give us the Arc of the program just outline some of the modules what what is the journey like for those who are experiencing in I’m pulling up so that I get it right so the first the first video is really about deepening your commitments to this path into this program as I saying it is one thing to buy a program is no that’s a truly commit to it earlier this interview I spoke of how how I begin interviewing man of around why it’s just determine why some men are getting great results and some man we’re not and the foundational difference that made the difference what did the man really believe that this was possible and did he believe it was possible for him and so now as I came to really understand how big of a deal that that is really that’s sexual self-mastery I mean I really have to do anything you really want in life that I have needed a major Focus video ones really about activating that places in you at as a man that that can to really understand that the pain and struggle or loss of not having this area of your life as fully dialed as you’d like to and then to really cross that line into into a real internal commitment to doing whatever it takes to create a transformation to get the result that you really desire from there we bring in what I referred to as that establishing a practice of erotic self-exploration out of starting to build a practice into your life that’s like any other practice whether it’s a music practice of sports practice yoga or meditation practice sexuality this this has an interesting fact in itself because I don’t tend to talk about it as much as men do carry their own version of saying around their sexuality and what were essentially saying there is I’m giving you permission in fact encouraging you to set time aside throughout your week to touch yourself and that can be a little bit of a brain short circuit in the best kind of way is on something to drink furtively so they used to sneak around so that you try not to think about who you’re not supposed to be doing a Journal Sentinel time to be with yourself to explore your own body your own pleasure and discover new ways of experiencing arousal in your body I got to move forward faster because I’m video tuned S2000 waking up with full body so men tend to be very disoriented and if you want to teach your body that’s your entire body is part of your sexual experience video for is on types of constructs okay so here we talkin about exploring your body in new ways like what do you mean like myself differently I have to go up down up down I look at porn and then I talked your way we go straight on Ben’s Cox variety maybe 10 different kinds of Strokes that you can bring in to get out of your habits and experience something new then we move into breath breath is incredibly powerful foundational to move Sexual Energy so that charge that you feeling build up in your grind if you don’t want to just pop out you need to give it somewhere else to go to training your nervous system to be able to move that that intensity through the body through the nervous system instead of just staying in your groin and your breath is the first of four primary tools to be used to do so w introduced record a note for no ejaculation challenge hopefully I don’t scare you off with this but we move into a 21-day commitment you would know port and no ejaculation now that can seem like a really big thing or something that whether it’s a no porn part feels really big or an equal in a message to equals corn I would certainly like that for a really long time and then on top of that no ejaculation this is not no fap challenge sound like don’t masterbate infected it’s fleas yes touch yourself and when I can ejaculate and these are the things that we’re going to do instead so you’re essentially retrain your system away from the compulsion to ejaculate I’m pro-choice and most men are not a choice she still gets it’s something that you have to do if you get around so we Wireless vs sarabhai take me to 4th to the 1st intro to it Galatians one of those things that can be like I don’t know about that imagine see under a picture in your in your mind’s eye and we do this is we talked about like building a sexual energy in your groin or just start to play with imagining moving that to the body in different ways and we found which was very powerful and for me and learning to actually not just be the sower quiet dude while my girlfriend’s you know having crazy sounding orgasms but that by opening my own ability to make sounds during sex and with my pleasure for their help me move the sexuality to my body next video Round Lake how to navigate neighbors and roommates stuff like that is really a further exploration of sound as well as overcoming shame stuff with the presents and how I like presents as in being here like not being caught up in fantasy not being caught up in fears or self-criticism maybe I’m too maybe I’m too fat or too skinny or my dick’s not big enough or stupid or or your you know reciting her or him for the manor I have a really fully being in this moment like what is happening in this moment being your five senses when you see hear feel touched your taste and smell and this is where is a real passion comes from your not in your passion when you stuck in your head you’re not in deep intimacy with all the secrets likewise it’s only in that be present that you can feel those subtle Sensations in the body that will allow you to experience these choice choice full-body orgasm orgasm orgasms gives take ravish you know all these are masculine like Edward Yong energies batard are great and fantastic and you know we also need to learn about our Yen. That aspect of being received by allowing receiving pleasure having done to us rather just doing and that I I found that there are many men that who include myself a place whose first experiences of non ejaculatory orgasms came when they were on their back I’m being Fox OC where or receiving had for the matter where they can just put their focus into what they’re feeling in their body rather like feel like that tensing their body needs doing movement then we can be talking Arch has a lot of just like in out in out in out thrusting Jackhammer but really we have so much more available plus our entire body to move in every direction and through opening up moving in our ships in our spine could really but also is our limbs again this helps this Sexual Energy is being built in the groin move freely to the body and then we can also use our hands to help get more in the body to desk is a movement along with your arrival Explorations books for help rid of stagnation in the body and helping start moving when we go deeper into the visualization process how we can use these portals together breakfast sound moving end relation together to really gain Mastery over how to move that Sexual Energy out of the pelvis where he just wants to talk out of it and how do you listen and move it freely and easily through the entire body with for greater pleasure in your own body and to be able to last so much longer and to do her much better experience as well we have an integrated all together we introduce partner practices things that you practice with partner if you have one is the program that was a great overview really it’s I couldn’t ask for a better presentation and knowing it as well as I do now having been is intimately involved with it at this point I really think that is it’s important I’m really going to recommend that people listen to this episode to get that that 16th overview that really wraps it all together and I think anybody it’s been in that the time for the world for however many decades would also appreciate this is the Practical where the rubber meets the road stuff that doesn’t is not dependent on a guru it’s not dependent on buying into a lot of mysticism it’s not it’s not culture-bound this is the universal human physiological template that this this is what passes the scientific sniff test and then so that was my whole point with that is that you know I have nots really deep it’s the esoteric round I have died even to Eastern practices and Technologies and energy systems and all that jazz and I also know that most people aren’t going to do that I need to put a lot of attention and quite honestly took me years to find me ways of really grounding it out that’s that anybody even you don’t need to you don’t need to go to believe in any of that. And that that was a big part of of my focus Ray and then in the production itself there are sacred are elements of a Sacred Space design which hopefully is leaving people salivating for what is that quality is there is an ambient essential quality about the energy of myself the energy of Caitlin and just the of course the temple space the temple home space that we’re in and that ended the residence of that so it’s really I think that is what I hope will happen in in your progression in my profession is that once once men have got this these fundamentals fully dialed in then they will yearn for that that sort of cliffhanger about what is that what is the music doing what kind of music do I use what kind of router what where do where do I shop for incense and where do I or whatever it may be that that kid brings in the leveraging the spirit World in a way that isn’t wooer that isn’t I think that’ll be that’ll be another dimension to explore cuz it’s it’s really all there maybe we could have done this in in a lab or we could have done is it like it was a Masters and Johnson documentary or something but we did it where you brought all those the sacred elements in so that’s maybe something you know I’m sure nobody listen to this podcast is well. Nobody but people are I’m pretty woohoo I’m pretty you know about that but I love to hear you talk about that maybe more about the behind-the-scenes the design that went to at the Consciousness and the sort of quality of the space that you attempt to just I think that you master at sustaining in your own your own production environment shall we say are you asking about it’s what we are filming there’s there’s that yeah we could talk about just what people see in the actual frame and then and then beyond that the sort of what did what are some of Dustin’s secret tips on his Sacred Space design and maintenance Pasa Fino so we did for for the production we did put a lot of attention to creating the environment and I’m part of this is my attention to Aesthetics detail but also part of the the masculine energy throughout history has been as a the holder of space holder of a life creating of a container and so like me and creating a space in which things can happen and unfolding by putting great intentionality into into the creation of the container the greater magic that can happen so we we create a beautiful and sexy sensual environment we also brought in the right people on our crew for both filming and bake a sound and various forms of support so that we are all kind of sharing the same energetic residences we’re holding it the space together we all holding a shared vision of what it is being created and for yeah I don’t know first like we we shot things that I don’t know if anybody’s ever shot before so we need to make sure that we create an environment where both you and Caitlin could actually drop in so that experience could I mean it is actually I don’t think Caitlin every time anything like that before especially in front of a camera crew and all these all these people and a lot of attention need to be put into making sure that that she felt safe and comfortable and he’s as well as long and drawn-out to have two for the deepest sensual and self-expression to come through and then again you did an incredible job after earlier consider what your did acting so much is acting to me stress is like a performance putting on something like this kind of fake and really what the environment that we’re doing our best to create would be one where you could put on something that’s so fucking real you know that it’s so authentic that’s so deeply intimate and vulnerable that’s maybe maybe is more than what you would do I completely on your own if nobody was present I don’t know I don’t know or like when you’re alone and I know that myself and the cameras are running it brings out of more of me and I can give it give it a certain I don’t know Showmanship you could say however more than that it is like I feel like I have seen happen to something that’s that in me that wants to come out that that’s it gives me an excuse and permission to show a more fully and that’s that’s why I fell from you that that you were deeply in your experience and showing up fully and sharing with us a practice that has accrued since we were mostly male true not entirely but mostly we were looking forward to shooting Caitlin you know that 24 year old female but with that you were the one who you’re weird I mean we are collectively and in awe of you during this during this yeah there in the streets I’ve been in my practice in different ways for I don’t know like 12 + years and I side you got a deeper practice and I do just said that how clearly it was that you’re so committed to to this type of sexual self Mastery of exploring and understanding your your sexuality and using it as I don’t know it’s emotional practice I was really what came through to me and in witness and you those are probably the kindest words that have ever been spoken in about me and my life so thank you so much it is it is it is deeply touching to to be acknowledging that way in and I concurred with everything you’re saying and really it is it is such a gift to be in in a context now in the modern world we have these cameras in them that technology kind of amplifies a deeper more ancient experience of a dynamic with group sexuality and group arousal and the I made an analogy of the other day saying by yourself if you’re basically what a banjo but in a group of people you’re you can be a hard if you know you could be part of men have so many of these emergent properties and so much resident come out that it really puts in a context and so it also that want once once I started getting into doing shoots and doing ceremonies in all of this more fun more social sacred sexuality stuff it then that’s when you really go okay now I learned from other people what they were doing and I like that with that like this I didn’t like that and when and then there’s more of a motivation when you are by yourself to be conditioning and training so that at your next opportunity to not just be a ham and perform and try to steal the show but really just to show up and contribute something to assessor sexual potluck that you’ve really you really bringing your highest best and most purified self and if that is the name of the game and that’s really why I feel that this this these practices for me or are really so about that mean when you say devotional for me it’s like he has some devoting to the Divine I’m sacrificing my my shadow element’s and energies to to those deities who would who would digest it for me and then Purify Me and really it’s so that we can I guess In-N-Out in bringing their practical senses so we can have more freedom from the ego and more play time with adults you know and then to have our desires wildest fantasies be fulfilled by people who hurt really understanding and Cooperative other in that just seems to me the reason for the season why to do all the stuff not just so you can be a better self lover or a better lover with within a close couple but hopefully so that we can move towards and evolution where were we are asking each other what’s really troubling us and hurting us some what we could all do to help each other feel a hell of a lot better and so that’s that’s what that’s I guess what what my when I think back into why what was brought out of me and what my we’re really intention is with all this is like we really we need to feed some starving Souls with this this Prana and thus the sexual content and make it more more abundant and less scarce and in so we can share it and it can go to heal those wounds that it did it really can do magic and miracles healing and I know that’s a big part of your path to and that’s something that I think would say way to my next question for you which is how are these evolved men showing up now with women and what are the women saying about how this refined cultivated energy is helping them heal and not just have more mind-blowing orgasms but actually heal that’s where my driving force really comes from I don’t talk about it anywhere near as much when I talk about sexual self-mastery usually if I tend to focus on what it is that man’s really what most men are actually driving for which is they want more and better sex they want to feel like a competent lover are probably the best lover she’s never had and like he’s not just at the whim of his biology but that he’s got two choices and so that’s that’s what I’ve built the program to deliver but in the process can I hear the phrase around like I give you what they wants all of the kind of can slip in what is they really need for sure so yeah I mean this whole program dizzy rewiring of male sexuality the me-too movement if it’s been any things that giant mirror to us as man that’s maybe we’ve received some slow flawed programming when it comes to our sex and this head this program yet it’s a it’s women women wants a man to actually be able to steal her to feel what’s going on for her and to be able to respect her her body’s needs and Truth is and some that feel it’s been largely missing from this conversation is one of the reasons why men have such a hard time with us is because they don’t know their own body they don’t know their own needs they don’t listen to the messages that are happening from within how are they going to do that with another person and so that’s part of what ends up happening in this sexual self-mastery process is the man does get in a deep connection with his own body she does come to listen to things that are happening in his body that he otherwise is probably completely unaware of and through developing that subtle awareness it becomes so much easier and natural for him to awareness of subtleties of what’s going on for her and to react accordingly and that can be a profound and deeply healing experience for her all again you have a way of making of the stuff that to me is off and way too far out and unrelatable and making it so so grounded so relatable and something that I think any sex educator on Earth any anyone who administers to me the the catching up we have to do in the United States with some of the progressive policies happening in sexual public health and in public service were going on in places I know there are there are European countries that have Pro masturbation Outreach pamphlets and then there’s places in the world where you will not get fired as the attorney general for suggesting that masturbation is a good way to to lower a HIV transmission and whatnot and interesting thought is that have you in your I’m sure you’ve just now that now that this iteration it is is reaching the point of being ready for Primetime roll out and brainstorming about Foo how and what Serta marketing efforts and strategies that both of us are going to have you know I have full disclosure we’re running this for my minor as an affiliate commission sales deal for me to get this out there so if I can if I can beat Destin to a sale I will get myself a healthy chunk of the profit so I’m incentivize to get this out there for and widen and honestly this is going to up my game a lot because now that this exists and I can participate in the the profit sharing then I’m going to aim much higher into the the it with the podcast it to reach up into this higher echelons of of men that and this is affordably and reasonably priced I must say and for those who are who are abundant at those levels I’m going to start bringing those people on the show cuz I know they all have we all have this sort of Skelton deposit but but back to my question line of questioning about have you who who would you who would you like this program to be purchased by let’s say at the institutional level you know would you like this program to be quote-unquote in the curriculum of various sex education institutes and and non-profit ngos and things like the the Woodhull foundation and get it submitted to academic conferences and where would you find this having a home Beyond just the squeeze page sales funnel get guys to the you know to park my tiny thank you for the ideas I definitely want haven’t you know at this point I’ve decided long ago to use business is my vehicle took for a change in the world and I downloaded the more of that I create and I’m able to bring in revenue from sales of whatever it is the more resources I have to create even greater things and on and on that side so you know I’ve just add focus on what else I can create and what types of boy other business people and yours can I partner with to help get this out but as far as foundations and such organization to be the value of this need even add pieces the day that they would like to see as well again I mean I think it’s I think it’s pretty widespread understood that this point that’s there’s something around the culture of men and how we relate to our sexuality that is in dire need for an evolution and upgrade and you know women are certainly making that clear demanding for the change and the like multi-orgasmic Epiphany is he could say I was in a relationship with an incredible woman who was deeply connected to her feminine and her expression as a performer types of circus girls sometime stripper she really wanted me to be more in touch with my masculine that I was in at that time I’m in my late twenties and she sometimes encouraged it but much more often she demanded it she made it extremely uncomfortable for me to be anything but that and on I didn’t like that at the time it’s either side is uncomfortable however in retrospect it was an incredible gift for me it did evoke change in me discomfort like you know men have experienced quite a bit of it over the past year-and-a-half transformation one more comfortable nothing is a change this is fine more uncomfortable and increasingly uncomfortable we can hit that point where I’ve got to do something I cannot be in as I can’t be in this any longer something has got to give and change happens Zillow Zella a lot of the voices that are coming up in the women’s empowerment aside right now or are quite often not quite often the are on the demanding side quite often they are and they looked like this is not okay and making things extremely uncomfortable and I I just want to say that it took me awhile but I really did come to a place where I came so relate to it as a gift it forced me to look inward if forced me to see what what what is often mean what it what what is the value that that I can experience from actually doing the hard work that’s you know it can be so resistance to doing the do the hard-working and grow and I did I did girl it’s sparked something in me that’s never stopped you know now I’m turning 41 on Friday to few days and you know I like 13 is that relationship and it left such a powerful mark on me because she made it very clear like you got you got to stop being a boy and you stuck into being a fucking man I need a man be that man and I learned how to be a man and forever grateful well that none of such a beautiful story and what a way to take a poop this hour and I think if we were a kid too hard for 6 ourselves Brothers out there we all know that we’ve been we’ve been voted a few times and had to question whether we’re we’re getting our male archetypes from so that Minds me I’m getting a bit of a flashback here to just kind of come through clothes now so do you want to talk about how this this program fits into an arc of of other modules of a of a program that is the evolved masculine past and what else you have to offer in the the what else you offer in general and and how this program fits into those other offerings and then I will get your websites in and close out all you probably recognize my life’s purpose and the anyway so I had in addition to the sexual self Mastery Parts I would say that there is three major areas thoughts of me and the company that is spelled p Volve masculine hours have been around a sexual self-mastery area is going to call evolve masculine empowerment again we’re at a time right now people speak of the crisis in masculinity men use women are rising in their power and too many men are either married or resentful discover a what a healthy evolved masculinity is and what are the aspects of our of his own relationship to self the way he thinks about himself as a man that actually is Old Blood programming and time to let go of and one of the aspects of masculinity and being a man that are actually really worth giving more attention and strengthening deeper and then it’s a really Envision a version of yourself like all your evolve Master creation imagine a version of yourself who has become the evolved masculine man with a healthy integration of you in a few minutes and then what do we need to do to help clear that Gap from where you currently are so where you are fully embodied in living as him the third module is what I call a understanding women in the feminine again like a lot of men don’t really understand women don’t really understand what’s going on collectively or the particular woman in their lives plenty of women will Hurd lived experience so you can show up in a way that’s not about losing Anythink in yourself yet too often we speak about these things this is this it’s a zero-sum game that’s like that men and women are in the battle of the sexes and one of them is going to come out on top and it doesn’t have to be that way you know there is a way in which we can Embrace her rise in power in a way that actually inspires us to become more what we’re capable of bb-8 see yourself more clearly and rise up alongside of her so she can heal fully mess it what are intellectually emotionally sexually spiritually yeah we’re we’re not there it’s a nice ass bending but actually becoming more and I process awesome and I can say that having done the on-site group fully present Retreat modules in the in your evolve some program I can speak from experience that the there is no there is has been nothing more unifying and empowering and and evolving of all words for me than sharing a space in the end I know every man who every man and go see that is got to feel some degree that sense of wishing that this this retribalization of the masculine would never end in that we would never break from that that core of a shared strength and shared understanding and and having each other’s backs and and supporting each other and having that very very very real and enduring open space so if you want to pitch that it for a minute just the different ways that that you can Show Yourself there’s the saint beasts online programs and it private coaching group and all that so what is the C-section so if you’re a practitioner coach in somewhere by yourself and you work with men whether your man or woman was named where we run a evolved masculine leadership training to constrain certified evolve masculine coaches once a year I believe next movie this fall the sexual assault Mastery Program itself I believe we’re using evolved masculine. Com which is the base where you can find everything I’m in Flash FFM sexual self-mastery will it will bring me to tell Paige to learn more about that and how you can get that in as well I think that’s been clearly uses direct link so I can finish him and in that process and are otherwise different some reason you miss that let me know you found it through this pain cancer through the we are in the process of developing a an online evolve masculine membership community so this will be a low-cost monthly membership community so that’s bringing together 10 remaining connection with one another and continue to receive value where we can create things for for you all with myself directly as well as the wide range colleagues and guess that and I bring in a monthly so that’s I believe we’re going to be launching that somewhere around to three months from from the time of this recording so and it’s April now to some sometime this summer began evolve ask alarm.com so you can just shoot me a message through and reach back out to you roll up another call with you to see what direction is going to be most appropriate for you and and without you can just get it onto my email list through any of any of those pages so that you can continue to be outside we’re here for you awesome well is there anything else you would like to share any words of advice for me on Facebook with Dustin gyrich revolve masculine and prayer for you always want to remind you that that’s our sexuality is it is our Phalanx Peds beautiful Alexa your your masculinity has power and Beauty in it as well and there’s yester sinks the intersect on hands and the best ways that we can I grow and spines are away is in the AC is with the support of the other men who are on a similar path you are just as committed to help hold you toward your highest you can hold you and your vulnerability while also continuously calling you into a deeper strength that’s where you’re at where it’s available to you never stop exploring and evolving yes I’m okay actually won final bonus round if you have time for it final question would be if we were to let’s say you if you and I were to collaborate on a another project either within the the big tent of your brand in your program or something within my realm or someone else’s production realm what would your fantasy be of what we could do together next to them in the future you don’t creating when I called conscience erotic media just two studs are our poor and model is not that great you know I know see my own path that we have so much more available to us so much money as possible as soon as you would have so much more pleasurable actually for both of us and one in like and and you know I can’t learn to my various experiments that I’m actually really good at producing address two dates as I know but I am getting some signs but the pieces are coming together and you know I don’t like to tease you too much cuz we talked about this many times but if if this does come back together and then the near-term of course you’re at the Forefront of my mind been and you’re at the Forefront of my mind because of this whole time I thought you were talking about you were going to release the secret files from back in the day that you’ve done with the some some lovely Vixens and also synonym for an elders and I don’t know if that ever doesn’t ever see the light of day but Friday videos to to somebody in New York on his test week early ones in like 2011 and they’ve held up really well. They still look pretty freaking amazing and still look utterly one-of-a-kind like unlike anything I’ve also seen out there again at the further kick in the ass to me that on that we’ve got that we got something we need to do something with it yeah maybe it maybe it was a time capsule or something I guess I’m I’m learning that lesson in more ways than one that the I’m really looking back at this in this is just maybe a side note here but but also has something to to close on with a Vibe it’s just that I have to be so I just feel so thankful to the energy of my youthful energy and and the application of that when it was when it was there an as the Arc of masculine hormones the The Arc of just our lifespan and energy levels I think you and I really made an end run when we had a lot of we still have a lot of passion energy but but there is a quality of it that invincibility of it that not thinking too far in advance and just getting shit done and now we’re really being able to curate the museum that was our youthful projects and that is very interesting and fun and they’re still so much that both you and I can do in front of and behind the camera but we both have some glorious moments that I just managed and so hopefully we will we will get to enjoy that stuff and we will appreciate that the Divine timing of the great mystery and all that too so we continued he and I continue to get older and younger we shot and create some really incredible things including with each of us on camera and that’s on now that’s now that we’re older more established maybe it’s time to go back and find ways to put those together and create something but can go out into the world in and indeed indeed will good Cliffhangers in great stuff all of this stuff is so beautiful and so amazing to me and it’s been it’s been yeah it’s it’s been a while since we’ve talked and hopefully the next time will be sooner rather than later and we’ll have great news to share and things will just keep snow falling in a really good way and I also thank you brother it is been great to get to know you and connect with you and it really is an important moment that that we’re in now with with this program and I can’t wait for the next adventure to a full then just want to be a wish you a wonderful rest of your afternoon and I wish you the best thank you my friend to you as well as for being bring me into the apart of the sand again everyone I can ask alarm.com Hutchins check out the link slats likely attached to this podcast and see how soon thank you all right take care of bye bye thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.drudgereport.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at target.com Thomas Day