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Reflections and Predictions on the Evolution of Music Industry Technology TPP242

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In this episode I share reflections and predictions from my experience of the evolution of music industry technology, excerpted from a academic research interview

My (non-verbatim) notes:

TP: Creating record albums on vinyl with indy punk bands, some times on labels, sometimes 100% diy

have had experience of difficulties, as a very strict very purist indy artist, wanted to avoid bar codes, distributes, anyone who’d want to control you creative direction

getting you hooked on hype

bands renting big tour buses, fancy hotels, their in debt with the label, they lose the right to perform with their name

didn’t have any of those horror stories to that extent, but experiences I had sometimes selling out a little bit to the labels and the music industry, it’s an asymmetrical deal

the sports player who gets their checks is rich, but the person who writes their checks is wealth

if you’re the talent or player or whatever you are that’s generating this ecosystem of wealth around you, always replaceable by whatever’s up and coming next

if you’re not making them money hand over fist, your music gets tossed in the bargain bin, that was the brick and mortal experience before things got super digital

different forms of financial abuse and exploitation, deal end deals, contracts not being honored, music being bootlegged

when you’re sold to have higher hopes but you don’t get the backing that you’d thought you’d get

melting down of band relationships, smart contracts are apt

blockchain tech and facilitate more autonomy and more decentralization, really have more disintermediation between artists and their end user audience, their fans

this technology of smart contracts can create more returns and more yields, more control of royalties, management, intellectual property rights management through smart contracts

a lot of disputes, drama, heart breaking madness when bands form and they all start out as college buddies, high school, garage band, resistant to notion of creating contracts to split up ownership

it’s a myth that if you engage in a contract you’re assuming an adversarial relationship, it’s like when people don’t do prenuptial agreements, happens in bands all the time, really ugly to the point where several bands are using the same name like a forked blocked chain, lot of drama, problems

when you want to bring in a studio musician or side person, can’t afford representation

once a smart contract gets written in code, it can get duplicated, modified, iterated upon

all that stuff is unfolding pretty rapidly

I’ll probably make it into the early adopter bracket, but I’m relying on geeks, developers, want to be in first generation of early adopters, enthusiast for technology

last time I toured with a band, we had a pay with bitcoin option

evolution of stable coins, dai, maker dao, really gonna facilitate solving a lot of early problems that ethereum dapp developers being

one of the most exciting them for me about it is you can resolve and prevent disputes, sit down with collaborators, and say are we gonna go in equal rights per contributor, you might say, the drummer doesn’t write melodies, or lyrics, but we have the creative solidarity, since it’s not just a cult of the front person, there’s a place for that too, for example a band every body wants to value each other’s input equally

thanks to bitpay you can do ethereum payments, a lot of this stuff can work along side or parallel, payment to smart contract, can split percentages to each member

talent buyers at clubs, be just like making a paypal payment or swiping a card, as an artist you could make a statement by going full crypto

if its not direct crypto payments, this band is going to funnel our payments, from all revenue streams, have it all go into a smart contract, still have accountant, still have legal advice

security of immutable blockchain, better to say corruption resistant

people embezzle, people pocket money, some people feel they deserve more

they creep up, a lot of resentment kills bands, how many bands could you save if you were able to preclude 99.9 percent of the drama that happens over sharing resources

M: do you think this is a solution that would really change or help music industry, goes to apple, then to record label, is there a big need for an instant royalty payment

TP: yeah, that’s a great point, I’d say that’s absolutely critical where we get to the point where Andreas Antonopolis, I think he coined, at least the first time I heard the word, basically called it streaming money if we get to that point where for example, some miracle of governance makes it possible for one of the competing blockchains to facilitate lightning speed peer to peer transactions, that don’t get bottlenecked like ethereum network and crypto kitties

sometimes perverse incentives with confirming transactions and blocks, for general listening audience, at this stage of development, early stage, a long lag time, when there’s more use the system gets less efficient, it doesn’t scale, the way we’re used to

we want to get to this state of streaming money, micro payments and splitting up in multiple recipients via smart contracts, within next year or two is my guess, legal contracts that hold water

let’s say you’re a band and you’re on the road, and you already tapped out your advance for the recording, you went out of pocket, you’re out there on the road, like a start up that doesn’t have seed funding, if you’re vehicle breaks down, or you gotta bail out one of your members because they were plastered and started tearing up the hotel room or something, or you have to buy them drugs, if you had streaming money, we just did a great performances, numbers are going up, people sharing music, posting videos, some platforms do have faster payouts, but the older school gears of processing payments

it would be great, for established bands, they could have a really good run putting out a chart topping single, then the growing pains of success can kill the band, they can break up on the first tour, being a touring musician is more stressful than people appreciate, the toll, lack of sleep, road food, immune system depressed, swabbing the country for new strains of colds and viruses

M: for streaming money, artists don’t get paid enough right now, one big question, is it because we as a consumer, buyer of music, 2019 everyone is streaming, I don’t see anyone buying a cd, everyone knows , are the platforms giving themselves too much money, or we as consumers are not willing to pay that money

TP: honestly I’m not in a position myself to say, I would like to believe that in the ecological economics, I’d like to believe that less brick and mortal less physical materials, not as clean and green as you would like it to be, going treeless, but what about all the electricity, not accurate to assume not having a physical product and going digital, trade offs on both sides, I’d like to study that, if we assume going virtual and going digital is going to reduce the foot print of all the petroleum record albums that were printed, you don’t have to fill a landfill with an mp3 that went out of style

I’m grateful for the work that the centralized platforms have done, VC funded, I know soundcloud had a really hard time at certain points, have an appreciation for tech start up business cycles, don’t want to demonize, it’s an invitation what those entities have done, people who want to make more peer to peer open source

hacker mantra, information should be free, I consider myself, if I was Metallica, I would not have sued Napster, in that sense I appreciate that infrastructure, to create these powerful file distribution systems, but if we can reclaim the hacker ethic around that, just like bit torrent did, evolving, paraphrase Andreas, history of internet history of blockchains, if you regulate the centralized platforms, you end up forcing the evolution of people creating ways to work around that are headless

crypto, we can do our own peer to peer unstoppable versions of sharing value, intellectual property rights, sharing media, more on side of creating solutions and not protesting the problems,

why should they be charitable, let them be as predatory as they want, it will just push indy coders,

M: is it still too slow

TP: it depends on the use case, the transaction price on ethereum, the gas price, you have to pay to execute a smart contract, micro payment, peer to peer, alice pays bob one penny as a tip, for whatever the service is, if I release a track for free, if someone wants to give a .5 cent tip and it’s gonna cost a dollar, still not at a point where those micropayments are facilitated

Ameen Soleimani, pioneer developer for state/payment channels, lightning fast micropayments, that can sync up to the base layer, you have to be really advanced, and pay developers a lot of money, its just such a new technology, eventually there will be a more affordable way to develop custom apps, but hey right now if you can do that stuff, you’re gonna get paid really well, he’ll be one of the ones to facilitate that

to answer more directly, depending on your use case, let’s just say micro payments are a ways off for end users to just have some front end app, where you say hey band mates less do different rights on our tracks, that level of granularity, we’re gonna get there, but after side chain, or state channel, payment channel technology, wider range of developers

M: if a broader spectrum of programmers will get into the market, the price will sync

TP: for sure, that’s why there’s so much fighting between the different blockchains, because developer mindshare is the most precious resource and commodity, people with skin in the game, if you have skin in the game with EOS then you want developers to be very nationalistic and tribalistic with their allegiance to the code of that chain

I feel most beholden to ethereum community, even though other alternatives have been in development, not investment advice, its spirit, it’s origin story, I do believe that perhaps with ethereum 2.0 advancements we’ll get to the point where the cost of doing the computations for smart contracts will be more efficient, it was created for platform for decentralized applications

no body is used to increasing ethereum gas limit to process activity on apps, it’s all gotta be tucked under the hood

very much a premium to be in that first wave of technology, I believe in it for sure

M: erc20- explain

TP: that token standard has been prerequisite

bitcoin and ether are not stable coins,

because of the erc20 token standard, ether is like the parent currency, and the erc20 is a child of that currency, but it has independent features, total supply, other parameters for programmable money

bitcoin is programmable money, but very limited, helps reduce attack surface, makes it less easy to hack and corrupt

eth, far more programmable, large attack surface, necessary as another experiment to push limits of programmable money

erc20 had to be created to create subnetworks of value, so anybody can make you’re own token

as the SEC provides more guidance, you could be a registered securities offering with your band, don’t want to use ICO, scams and fraud, before bubble in 2017, very excited about projects tokenizing artists, and bands, so you could have this potential buy in, built in crowd source funding

used to be called the street team, because cyber street team, and now there can be blockchain stream team, incentivized to hold your token

more pertinent use case, artists and fans and music industry at large, you wouldn’t want to have a whole elaborate scheme of smart contract payments bein g made with ether, being what the payouts would be in, youd’ want to use a stable currency

I didn’t want to use centralized stable coins, the maker dao, closer to the spirit of decentralization, crypto anarchy

that’s the thing that’s got to be baked in, probably going to be dai

don’t know when that announcement will be made, viable because stable coin

M: technology right now is overly hyped, major barriers still have to overcome, blockchain will still be there

TP: I do believe there is a place for hybrids between old system and new system, people say there should never be something called a private blockchain, the sewer rat and the bubble boy, if you’re not a public blockchain, being attacked, you’re not building the armor of being open to the web, like a sewer rat, contrast that with bubble boy who didn’t have an immune system, private intranet blockchain, your’e not evolving, updating libraries, hodge podge of kludgey contractor code, unpatched supply chain code that could already be comprised, the security of open source

more eyes on code makes the bugs shallow

what needs to have blockchain and what doesn’t what needs that level of security and what doesn’t

some people describe ethereum as the slowest most expensive computer on earth, feature not a bug, if you want to more security and reliability you should be able to pay for premium, expect to happen on distributed network around the globe, for now we’re accepting those factors as being the cost of taking a step away from the big data hubs of centralization

depends on what you’re trying to do, I believe there’s a place for private blockchains, for internal auditing of record keeping, inventory, in some ways safer not to be connected to the internet, offline ledger or record of state changes, air gapped from the rest of the internet, while considering sewer rat and bubble boy thesis, best way I’ve heard it described

you don’t have to put everything on blockchain, degrees of centralization vs decentralization in the technology stack

base layer could be bitcoin or ethereum, private protocols running on top of that and anchoring back to that

all kinds of ways, on a vertical stack, tie in either above or below our use case, or app, up or down or sideways, don’t think it’s an either or

centralized database vs blockchain

I don’t think we’ll move everything onto the blockchain

there have been horror stories with the dao hack, rolling back the chain, ethereum classic, bitcoin bitcoin cash, no body wants to build their business on these fault lines of male ego conflicts

I don’t want to be the one out there trying to convert people to something that’s not mature enough to be trusted

I developed a relationship with a guy who was early in bitcoin, onboarding third world villagers, sincere desire to bank the unbanked, while he was rolling out his project, bitcoin price fell by 50 percent, can only imagine the look on his face, and those who he got excited about it, all that explaining you have to do, already been in small version of that

M: if blockchain technology can foster trust and transparency is it then possible that trust in technology, could help building up or opening up networks, to connect people better, do you think blockchain technology shifting away intermediaries, peer to peer network, helping creatives to create a better social network

TP: we’ll get to the point where the end user app interface, within a few years, you could program an app by pressing buttons on a gui, you could do millions of dollars worth of smart contract language writing when the tools are built up to a point, and the libraries of code, you can do a custom blockchain for going out with friends to a bar, to split the tab, the way you can gamify everything, if you’re in a band, and you can create an app for every show on that tour and that app for that show, the people in the audience are gonna rate the performance of the member of each band and get paid in real time based on performance, immediately increase the energy, you are gonna get paid extra on top of your per deim, based on the audience rating your performance in real time, making eye contact, audience will have a dial on the app, that app that could be program not be getting 500 million dollars of venture capital, just by downloading that app

there was a time basically you had to install tcp-ip into windows, if you wanted to use the internet, now you’d never think twice

we’ll get there, that’s gonna be the sweet spot, where anybody can program a smart contract

Crypto-Tantrism and Financial Continence with Lawrence Lanoff TPP229

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In this episode I’m joined by my revered crypto-tantric adept Lawrence Lanoff for an adventurous exploration of the intersections of crypto and tantra. He helps provide deep ancient and modern wisdom for surfing the big waves of changing times and maintaining a heart centered, and cool headed space of love, compassion, and fun.

We share insights on navigating the stormy crypto-currency markets and integrating new evolving trends of decentralized finance, stable coins, and other emerging crypto apps and tech.

I also share a great piece written by the musician Ben Lee on the Tantric Yoga of HODL:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@benleemusic/the-tantric-yoga-of-hodl

About Lawrence:

Lawrence is an award winning filmmaker, successful entrepreneur and early technology adopter who’s been investing in cryptocurrency since 2011.

He has directed and produced 11 feature films. Lawrence led a production team that won a Chicago Film Festival award and a United Nations Global 500 Award for writing and creating the documentary “We Can Make a Difference”.

Lawrence co-founded Lip Ink, generating upwards of $100mm in revenue and numerous product patents.

Lawrence is a best selling author, world renowned life coach, and was a featured expert in Neil Strauss’ New York Times Bestseller “The Truth”.

Please follow up with Lawrence here:
http://www.lawrencelanoff.com/

Metal, Hardcore, Punk, and Bitcoin with Peter McCormack TPP181

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In this episode I’m joined by my new brother in metal, Peter McCormack, host of the What Bitcoin Did podcast. His podcast is one of my top favs in the crypto space and it’s been awesome hearing him drop references to his roots in same underground music scenes that that I’ve grown up in.

He shares about his personal journey of political awakening through the messages in the lyrics of some of his favorite bands and how he got into crypto and podcasting. I was deeply moved by his heart wrenching story of having to be an outlaw to aquire Bitcoin so he could help his ailed mother by purchasing contraband natural herbal medicine.

We discuss the origins of Bitcoin partially being in BitTorrent and how Metallica’s lawsuit against Napster may have been a key catalyst to the evolution of crypto-currency.

We also talk shop about some of our favorite bands, his intentions for wearing a Master of Puppets shirt to the SEC, the future of crypto use-cases for bands and artists, the do-it-yourself spirit, the solidarity among hardcore fans of the 80s and 90s, the Proof of Keys event, and much more.

Please visit his website and podcast at:
https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/

And find him on Twitter at
https://twitter.com/petermccormack

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 181 and I’m being joined by Peter McCormick of the what Bitcoin did podcast and that’s a very interesting set of synchronicities that brought us together in this moment mainly that of all of the cryptocurrency commentators and podcast this and thought leaders that I’ve come across I only very few have really bridge the gap in my life between the politics and the the energy and the Rage of punk rock and hardcore and metal and so is a breath of fresh air when I heard Peter talk about it and start checking out some of his some of his post and what not and and realize that there is definitely some Synergy to talk about the the relevance of these Underground Music cultures and movements in and how how that has informed the politics of technology and how there’s now opportunities for 4 for an interesting interchange of of more of the geek year folks with in the technology development seeing and in some of the more like I’m Nan not as technical folks but people that have same ethics of Liberation and empowerment and a lot of those memes have been have been cultured in in the underground music scene since it’s just a great topic to discuss I’m really excited about it and with that said I’ll just say Peter please tell us, about your personal story how you evolved how you got into metal crypto and everything interesting along it was an easy decision cuz Uncle very few friends left into the Sky music is miso any chance to talk about Punk Ogle meso is it was a pleasure say thank you for that my journey to Ponca I told you about this before was very quick quick migration through a team Soo to discover in the bank by assets so the first metal song I got into Europe The Final Countdown absolutely love that song and my dad is going out and pull me to Europe album back in the day when you had the cassettes your you remember that so I used to listen to the album relentlessly and I was like who these guys with long hair I’ve been discovered Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet dream I had a poster of tempests and a poster of Jon Bon Jovi next to each other both with full makeup long hair and I was like man this stuff is amazing so I had a very short. Of time as a Glam rocker but then my first Iron Maiden song and quickly kind of went through a few of Maiden albums I think it was like Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son of the Seventh Son and then Konig already deep into remember no prayer for the dying love for the album Number 1 in the UK and then from there I started watching hip Angus bull and discuss Guns N Roses Guns N Roses with a massive deal for me cuz that was about the age where I was able still going to come see us and they ended up releasing the usual Lucien albums so I ended up kind to Milton Keynes to wash my best console which was Guns N Roses the cult Soul Asylum in The Blind Melon No Rain by Blind Melon do they were kind of moron the alternative site is incorrectly it wasn’t that dress you everything because the first time I saw her alive so he kind of never forgot that I just kind of rushed and they came out so loving that and then I was watching Headbangers ball on why hasn’t came on and they have this song punishment with a wheel jumping over the Brooklyn Bridge and I was like what the hell is this is kind of metal but this is but they’re not dressed like messages and I wish I’d become a skateboarder in the times I was wearing kind of what would you say like she knows I have to chain belt with the wallet over in like baggy t-shirt so I wasn’t dressing like a melon but listen to metal when does hardcore think I’m in the wrong and it was like these people dressed like me and then listen to a full of mess with this kind of a little bit ratty so it’s a little bit cooler and I was kind of like just discovered like Cypress Hill on onyx and House of Payne all this kind of stuff converged at one time and I felt like you could be a meth lab but be kind of cool to the same time and then yeah then I went deep into hardcore I never left if I tell you what happened with Hulk off of me I was quite interesting was the next song I had a bye bye has over this song Shades of Grey and it opens with there is no black and there is no white and all well that’s only Shades of Grey no racism fuck racism you know and then when she still going for that music and go to these messages about like positivity and you know I know discrimination and I was like this is cool like the other stuff I listen to it like me listen to Guns N Roses song about taking drugs and partying to attach myself to the lyrics but then I was listen to buy a house and it was all kind of like messages and positivity and I can get behind some of the messages are bit over-the-top right but from there then I discovered Earth Crisis and that was like a really big deal for me cuz that was like the next step. I never managed to do the whole stretch think I kind of wanted to but might have a beer but I was told he would then message right like even though it wasn’t straight edge I totally got the message I told you going to see and understand what they would do in you know I’d come down to lunch my first one the first times I was about to go to London and we have this skateboard shop income and Garfunkel Slam City skates I went in there and the dude with the downstairs talk what you got is like if you heard of prices is like even need this in your life and he gave me a couple of The Firestorm EP I like if you know of Crisis like everyone annoys us a song as far as I know you know what it was I had my Discman members that used to jump you have to be really steal to listen to the next in kept jumping so so I was like yeah I was like I was in the hog who I was until the straight-edge I listen to the skate music not so much the punk and hardcore like I was never really Gorilla Biscuits never really cro-mags although it was all kind of more like by Isaac snapcase Integrity of Crisis 25 to Life sick of it like in the next wave who came through and yeah I never stopped listen to Listen to I listen to today by listen to the motive and listen to Summer hits of genres like I’d really like some of that moved at school like I like I love Norma Jean Architects the song I’d like anything which is methyl pump meso hog whole mess will that that’s me and yeah I guess you were so you see the crossover to print 7 and I guess I kind of always been this how do I put it without sound like an idiot like a middle-class and a kiss right like I mean I watch hard they put me into a good school gave me everything I could possibly want you know we didn’t have a lot of luxury the weirdest solid upbringing so I was you know I was going to school while surrounded by Rich Kids and kids you know it’s kind of fell a little bit of felt like I was trying to read Noam Chomsky and get into Noam Chomsky and struggled but I did read a lot of jumping the Injustice is always kind of I don’t know sometimes I’m a Fool maybe I’m I’m a bit too much of a socialist which of the Libertarians and Bitcoin hey but I’ve always felt like this in justices I wish I could do them all to help and I was like to be a little bit Anna kiss the rebel you know if I got my hands tattoos you know if I go to a meeting I’m going in there with my child so I went to the SEC interview has to pay is in my Metallica t-shirt like the most things in my car I want to stick two fingers up the system by Carnival line but then. Came from under privileged background or anything I just think it cost me something inside of me but I definitely see that hole you know the similarities between crypto anarchism in hardcore punk awesome yeah me too but that’s why I feel like it’s a I have the same same feelings and thoughts about the that the tension between libertarianism in an anarcho-capitalist and then the the more socialist more communal kind of collectivist sometimes even I would just I guess it’s probably the influence of Marxism and anarchism in the the politics of Street Punk and even the metal bands no talking about smashing the state in in different ways but it’s it’s interesting at the go and start joining the crypto movement and seeing that there’s this super well-established very successful wing of the event Turkish movement that is actually not eating out of dumpsters and begging and doing the Sid Vicious thing or the self-destruct paternalistic political philosophy of anarchism like to really negative and really hopeless there is a lot of that narrative in in the punk seems that I was involved in and going out for the yeah I get that so how have you ever had so cool I mean I saw the picture of you at the SEC with the master of those least so I don’t like wearing a suit I used to have a company and write a business partner and he was great we work very well together like I was I was always the one with the ideas like a hundred ideas take them back to make some happen anymore but I never wore suits I was always in t-shirt and jeans I was always like look I’m coming as maybe I’m coming Roar and I’m going to give you everything I’ve got right I’m not going to wear a costume I guess that maybe that’s that I can smoke pot and I’m not going to wear a costume like if I’m going to Barclays for meeting I’m done with me I’m going to bring your suits on to see all but as soon as long as I’m getting married because I think I want to look at the car or put a suit on cuz I’m going to someone’s wedding cuz I want to be respectful of that passes wedding cuz I respect them but if you’re asking me for me saying you’re no better than me and I’ll know better than you want to come with me and you guys even like if we do business great but I’m not dressing up what happened with the CC think some people said to me oh was that like we were master puppets is like a hidden message and it was like know who knows no way they could that would be very disrespectful to Hester has to give me the interview know it was I’m not too bad Bobby Axelrod in billions like I don’t know if you remember this monster puppet Steve smells like I like him like he’s a capless he doesn’t give a fuck if you liked his master one that’s me so I’m going to I’m going to wear mine and I’m going to a picture NECC wearing wearing the T-shirt because I think for me it was like it was a good combination of the anarchism of like cryptocurrency Bitcoin alongside the kind of State corporate government regulate regulatory side of the SEC and I just thought it’s like it’s a really nice manager of the two and I just thought I would be big for a really cool picture and thought it was no way to disrespect as the past with some people feel cuz I have nothing but respect for the rice am I really appreciate her work so I think she probably appreciates it too and maybe who knows she could be a headbanger in and just as opposed to buy Metallica t-shirt have to wear a suit without a will kick you out if you turn the fan on you know I just having a fast right now about Megadeth and the politically insightful covers that they had with their I can’t remember if they had a name for their mascot but it was it was kind of like the Eddie of iron maiden’s they had the skeleton with the bolted eyes shut and all in all these different corporate contacts there was one reason wearing a suit peace sells but who’s buying that and images I just feel like this is is it’s almost like an album cover you know that that’s why the you were born but the first one they have a bull myself was the single for Hangar 18 by Megadeth which to me now is a time of it’s still an incredible song the amazing and I still want to go running cuz I’d like to run like my first song I usually put on it’s going to be coming to get me, and it’s usually one two three song it’s either this song by Machine Head the blackening in the reason for that is because I just a minute song I like you know when I’m when you’re running to songs you always conscious of how much time he sounds like for 5 minutes yeah if I listen to the blackening of John 11 minutes when that’s gone and I’m happy right I’m willing to the run but if I need to pick me up these are they going to be Hangar 18 by Megadeth course Pantera song I still listen to Megadeth Hangar 18 when I go running I pulled that song. 2016 is a guy on cassette this is so this this is really getting to the heart of what I want to touch on which is that there is so much frustrated Punk and metal antagony towards the state and the man and the system and it wasn’t it wasn’t so well articulated about the fed and the banks and globalization and all that stuff but it’s I’m I would just be dying now to hear what Dave Mustaine and Jay set field and all of the other thought leaders in metal have to say about this moment of opportunity if they if they could read the Bitcoin whitepaper and you know what is leading up to this interview when I was thinking about just meditating on the value of Howell metal and punk has shaped my attitudes towards the estate and money and all that and I thought about how there would be no big coin if it wasn’t for Metallica going on the Rampage against Napster thus creating BitTorrent isn’t that a trip have you ever thought about that how that that whole kind of klusterfuk happen and that was it, I started Napster Sean and unlock Maps my slot with my best mate and we discovered that I was just like download whatever you want instantly I loaded up on you or you might not remember this the first MP3 player was the Diamond Rio and you would load it up with your songs are you get anything instantly and it was just like this is incredible Metallica try to shove them down at 5 and I was like yeah Metallica lesson and I was always comes and Roses when it comes roses be Metallica I was with Guns N Roses I’m at Metallica Guns and Roses were a bit more treble I don’t know why but I always remember when the MTV Awards are on metallic are in the crowd of showing finding comes out like after he stay suit him he comes out and I was like yeah sure that’s going well played the great thing about Metallica suing Napster is is the whole centralized V decentralized and centralized right you could sue it to close it down and then you go to all these things like this hard you can close down batard to this day you can go on any number of mirrored Pirate Bay’s and use your eye like a VPN and just access to download stuff for free you can still do it because it’s orange is decent why won’t see centralized it was not what I know is like Metallica exposed to flu in the Napster motor which United Torrance have this is exploited By The Crate so make sure the kids to bed write this is so fascinating and you wouldn’t except for In This Moment of real metal Geeks would you actually I mean it wasn’t in the Satoshi white paper and he’s like thanks to Metallica for pushing the technology forward towards peer-to-peer distributed networks for you could free pizza the systems that are decentralized in Camp and have their head list they can’t they can’t be arrested they can’t be brought down because you would have to take down the internet and you had to take down everybody participating internet and so yeah it’s quite a fascinating history with just that moment that says neglected invite a lot of people to know if you saw a point completely off topic but just while we hit it cuz it’s just like that to me like a man oh yeah right did you ever read the inlay card to Countdown to Extinction Ikea it’s not it’s not too coming to me right now off to bed now you know what I want to see cop kicked out of Metallica you know he just he lost Willy Wonka golden ticket right now and then he sees Metallica just go from strength-to-strength like they release ride the line with him to the mall and then they were days Ride the Lightning but then they were these pop hits and then they release Injustice for on the black guy I need just become huge right all right. But he wanted that was number one album in a to validate himself that like Megadeth Countdown to Extinction because that we how was nowhere came what’s his name Ricky whatever I lived Livin the Vida Loca what does it say Ricky Ricky Martin you know the Latina Danza tell me the Vida Loca you know the song Outside Inside Out released in the same week of Megadeth by Puritans like it may be that the one we got it they would have the us out for number one and they didn’t answer that day I know it cuz I know you always feel sorry for him because he he like he was in Metallica he lost the golden ticket to the Chocolate Factory and he did it again he did start another band who had epic amounts of success and I just kind of always felt sorry for that mistake sorry I taking a completely off topic that a lot of people that know that pop maker test and I think I think they should actually know I’m all into this man where this is all this is all point because the reason I was thinking about that reference to the history of Napster and in Metallica is that at that beautiful documentary some kind of monster they go into all this stuff and they showed the moment where Dave Mustaine I believe it was Lars Ulrich and Dave Mustaine are hanging out and processing with a therapist the the agony that he fell out but that’s how these things evolve a tub and of all that mean y’all say I’ve been in bands for most of my life and I have experienced all these different dimensions of you know you do what you got to do when you got to do it and yeah it’s it’s it’s it’s a trip if we can move into some of the this is what I find so fascinating is the the way that punk and metal we could talk about the the economic theories that are that have been I mean very effectively pumped out to the masses with with all of these like the way that if you’re if you’re into Punk and metal and you see a business suit you see that that as a representative of the state of capitalism of everything that you’re supposed to be smashing into Extinction and from this so many different bands that have anthems about about politics and economics in various forms of ecological social environmental rights environmental justice and less definite it’s just a for me it was always a a disempowering kind of narrative that you know will never succeed Will Never Be A revolution is kind of a fantasy and will always just be disgruntled about being even if we’re not impoverished we’re still sort of like trapped within this Illuminati thing and it’s just been raised and rebellion and but but not very sophisticated and there was nobody in the punk and metal scene that would have said to me like yeah you should have to go study economics you should go study technology and computer science and and you will be able to liberate yourself with math and with cryptography and know that there that just reminded me of a band as well that I didn’t even mention in the list of company about the Gulf Coast Punk and hardcore a mess with people I always explain one bad news I think probably the most important punk bands of the hotel right always always get people to scream a special proper punks rice Punk is Rage Against the Machine I know I’m always liked was no no then they just an empty V band and I’m like know what they did is they bridge messel and no mess they made Maxwell open to everybody else and they came with such a powerful strong message and in some ways like through everything I’ve listened to like my entire history music there is one album that that has been a constant staple and that’s been rage against machines rage against machine every single song is good which is very very rare these days you know I struggle with his name five albums that every single song is good but on the album every single song is good on this time is a test of time they could go on stage now play the whole album now and it would sound like who is known for their instruments no one else has done and they will come in with a message and they will go and pick us everyone they shut down Wall Street I mean that’s not a punk bands like yeah but you have to know exactly where his roots right he was an inside out across the punk band but he did rage against machine is a benefit from it what he has a punk Oracle background like he was in that scene rage against machine is a pom pom to me I tend to agree with you yeah actually I I was blessed to be at the the DNC protests where they were they were instructed by the lapd’s that if they did anything to incite a riot they will be culpable I didn’t see that that may have been but this was La around 2001 I believe in and it was so yeah it was beautiful man people took to the streets it was like this massive breach of thousands and thousands of people right in the heart of downtown LA and just flanks of Riot cops and just say I’m here for you in and out to be in suits chlorella is placing my favorite place in the world Twitter is in Venice somebody apartment Adventist you know he’s one of these weird places right that most people when they get it cuz they get there they go to Hollywood and that life is that it and then they don’t know what to do with themselves cuz it’s not together you can walk from Grand Central to Central Park and you go to La you have to live if a live that and you have to go to Venice and Santa Monica and downtown and discover these little balls outside restaurants will go to Calabasas will go for a hike you have to be there for a while to understand what I asked about and I think once you’ve list that you got a few Consciousness as a tourist we get it almost everyone I know it said that it was a disappointment pause a good point yeah it’s it’s more about it’s it’s very laterally spread out because there is the space and it’s not just as some islands you know what people on the East Coast so used to weigh more vertical and stacked kind of ant farm kind of living and I love these goes to you know I’ve been there number times mostly touring with bands and experiencing that that sector but I agree that the la la the geography of the LA culture it’s it’s you got to you got to spend time getting yourself around in and digging event the rage against machine man love that band I agree and I think they’re under there was a time I think the topic of you know a lot of people in the deepest underground scenes are just very hostile towards success and that’s another sort of shoot yourself in the foot problem you know there was a documentary called punk attitude and I think it was it was expressed at some point in their that’s like punk rock seems to have a sort of debilitating resistance to success and so people just want to kill themselves and drown themselves in the bottle and and drugs because is the success kind of distorts their sense of being the underdog and there’s no confidence there and if the other genres hip hop never had a problem scaling up to huge success and even metal bands were far less shy about monetary success but it’s so I’m wondering for you as we could go into the have you found a lot of other people that give you the sort of wink and Nod about the more subversive more underground kind of Ethics that come from the music scenes in finding that in in the world or is it just a completely different approach to different Pathway to to the politics of Anarchy plus I thinking crypto people finding different ways and their pills of a different ways at different times like last time I discovered that it’s in the stool I discovered in 2013 as a way of buying things online we need to go into details of that and then kind of forgot about it and then I got back into it. We are all Caillou really going to bitcoin and my mom is my mom is dying from cancer and cannabis oil treatment with a coin and yes it’s illegal but when your mom’s doing you don’t really care about to go with you just want to get her treatment and the ability to buy that treatment for a nobody can stop me and was amazing and with that I was kind of like okay I got this now this is kind of a big deal but the first 6 months to a year in crypto is Radio just making money I was just making really good money on it anyone I think most people can’t I wanna get lost in in Mami at times like I did all this money and I was traveling to while I am back and just live in this great life but in doing my podcast you know I’ve had some massage would love more more about what’s going on in the wall to buy Bitcoins rather than her Nana life suddenly become a little bit more like a k e Anika side to this is more like the the free. I’d rather say cuz sometimes comes this negative connotation you know it like it’s the G8 a meeting that’s going to be a smashing the place outright I just think the freedom and liberty that comes with some of my Bitcoin is truly incredible but what I have noticed is the northern the weight comes from when somebody like I I drop little Slayer of Matlock on every now and again they’ll be someone like you like a cool woman in me and him have become good buddies like online. He’s going to marry her life that we talkin bout we always like that and I think there’s that kind of you know someone if you are like friends with him he’s about your age like 40 years and they know Pantera and Faith No More and they weren’t Alice in Chains with rage against Machine music from the early nineties you know you had a similar kind of life of a life that shaped you write the way I see it is from about 1340 when you start to get a bit of freedom for your parents up until kind of like early twenties where I used to have to think about become responsible I think that. That’s how you know that person I think they come to a concert by the consequence of the parents probably doesn’t know they come to make you doubt they’ve gotten out of bed when they’ve been like 15 at the back of a Pantera gay Gwar Koenigsegg and they staged dog and then it going to school with that like Marilyn Manson patch on that back and some on that bag or something that’s going to be something like dick in schools turn around to take cuz I like I got my music constantly kind of they just kind of got a kid in a mortgage and over that kind of stand the stuff that you end up getting when you get older but you know you know you were several of us you know you’re going to go another bairn you can have a simple conversation you probably kind of similar friends and syphilis views on life I kind of like that so I guess that’s why I kind of trying to find that music yes, those two are we also it is my friend used to call it the international Punk not it’s just that you see somebody that has that some emblem of identification with the desota Underground Music scenes in the culture gigs and mosh pits and what not and there is an immediate solidarity and hours appreciate that and will always add to the Xfinity I have four people you know to know ya you’ve you’ve been raging in the pit so I’ve been I’ve been off since I put out that big toy story about losing all the money right I’ve been off like 15 times to come and put gas and I’ll say yes to anyone anyone I’ll make an hour and a half because when I lost my podcast I’ve relied on the same night and even took today I would lie on the same people giving up that time and space museum you want to come up with that guy is when you came out you said I’d like the pumpkin the hardcore want to talk about that with you is like right in this is the one I want to do this guy gets there I want to go in there I want to talk about owning somebody’s can I listen to it because the only time I really like I’m in this music is when I go for a run on down the gym and I put it on when I put on my headphones and I listen to like most of the time I don’t get a chance to talk about apart from my daughter and she’s like some of it is like a Hatebreed someone she really likes unless there’s like a song by like Iron Maiden she likes what she likes that you are so right but most of the time so yeah I ceased when you came and you said you want to do is like yeah I’m in I’m in Manistee this yeah well I would say that it’s interesting that it seems I know there’s the Tatiana moroz I believe is one of the early crypto music artists who did some some form of tokenization of her her stuff and then I know who Joe music is the ethereum blockchain based project to disintermediate the intellectual property Monopoly that is embedded in the music industry and what not have you come across any any folks in in whatever genre music but you know be great Punk and metal that seems like we’re the punk and metal artists are behind the curve when it comes to the crypto blockchain next generation of even the music industry so have you have you pondered that or thought about that or kind of made any connections there I just think it’s still so early Saturday days and I guess I guess you need exposure to a maybe they haven’t discovered there or I don’t see it takes a long time to read together like some really really good and I’m really coming I’m coming up now ready to two years and it was kind of going to buy the stuff in my mom like I know as there’s so much I don’t know but I know a lot more than I did something is not to click now starting to get it I think we way too early even for the Amicus Sue to really understand what I’ve seen a few rappers talk about it because I guess is it’s about making money in wrappers or what about making Benjamin but I don’t think the crossover has come yet because I don’t see nothing but still too early I still something that’s enough of people do to grab the crap yet but I think it will come yeah I agree I’ve noticed that I kind of had goes back to that shyness that you were just a bit attractive but yeah the early adopters the hip-hop artists were not asleep at the wheel with this stuff and want you know some of them started getting into Bitcoin even before it was that big of a thing and now they’ve got real gains to to play with so that’s that’s a very very interesting and and also I mean it is something is so deeply tickled inside of me when I hear government Regulators talk about cypherpunk and crypto energy and how they have to know retool themselves to catch up with these technological revolutions that are rooted in all of these extremely radical and an anti authoritarian Tendencies and I just think this is so yeah you being at the the SECU the Securities and Exchange Commission to have a conversation about really you know I’ll put it in my in my words how the powers-that-be are going to have to adapt to this math math based Anarchist cryptographic Revolution there this is like the first time in hundreds if not thousands of years that there has been a a power a rebalancing and a check and balancing of the powers of these these really in trench systems so and I thank you for being a part of that that shifting and balancing of of powers now was a pleasure to be part of it I mean it was a real kind of course I want to want and like a lot of really bad has happened in The Last 5 Years. 3 minutes and I was not a small detail guy said if I store Apple’s trajectory and I’m making good money but in some ways kind of lost my way as well and I was doing mine are not as kind of building an agency and I wanted to screw with the big agencies and take them home by Jim is a cruise companies you know I would like just companies that dunk at my job is helping us help get them selfie with shit they don’t need and you know I kind of I don’t know if it was like you would probably say cuz you’re a little bit more grounded the band in the spiritual side you’ll probably say it’s all this was going to happen for a reason you know that this is you a Johnny blah blah blah blah you know whether it was just a bunch of coincidences but I lost everything in my life my mom I lost my family to my divorce I lost my company of my mental health everything went over the space so you know three three years I mean I’m a dumb from getting married I just got married I love you to family beautiful wife who I have toward the successful company money in the bank at a Porsche home at the house. Holidays like I had everything and it went and then I hit rock bottom and I remember the Rock Bottom whatever and most of the substance abuse or the results of substance abuse where I would be your mom was when was in my house for the first time I was I was doing drugs not to get high but to get back to parity like I feel so rough. I would do and then feel like normal Robin doing it to be high and I was like I remember that night thinking you know I would be going in and out of the shower panicking and just it was awful and I was like okay this is this is bad right you’re a very bad place there’s another time when I had a panic attack on the Underground Chief station and I would have off the train in the paramedics came and they stripped myself to do an ECG on the rush hour by people under pause which was tied to the Grave Digger every buildings and I was like how do I do this again like a Comstock company going to 10 of the energy account commute to London anymore cuz of the Times by Charles is Bitcoin thing happened because my mom died which is awful questions and then Sunday I find myself lying out to Washington to go to the SEC to interview has to pass I’m like how the fuck is this happen and then yeah I remember leaving that interview and I’m going back to my Abby and being like having a cigarette and sitting on the wall lights to be so we’d times like these things that happen you just yeah it’s just very strange I do not even know if you want to give you that I just kind of went a little story please and I actually that that’s what endears you to me a lot is that the personal aspect and how you really the way you got into Bitcoin as well and how it’s just it’s always just a testimony to how empowering and liberating the technology is and yeah I really appreciate how much effort you put into Earp your project the web Bitcoin the what Bitcoin did podcast can you talk about just the evolution of the podcast and how you actually seems like you have a very meteoric rise and and honestly of all of the crypto Bitcoin blockchain media that I consume it really stands out the work that you’re doing the level list of research that you’ve done in the equality of the guests and you’re the way that you’ve gone after in-person meetings and all that stuff is just seems like a a real higher level of quality put into the project I’m wondering cuz you have like a a moment of insight where you said you know I’m going to bring value to the community by doing a podcast since you not like a coder per say or what was that story about this is my real big plan like the best of the podcast Reedy was just part of a series of events you know I discovered Bitcoin and crypto bull everything all these different shape coins made loads of money than my friends wanted to get into it that’s why you like crazy male robin to tell him to meet you in the picture day which was like an introduction to the original one I sent out to everyone must excuse me and said that the people and then people like what should we buy what should we buy and so did a Facebook group for my friends and you have a hundred people joined and I would just say that to this is what I’m reading on this one thing going to buy an avatar for my chores he said to me yeah right so he understands Google you should think about doing a Blog we thought that we just going to show somebody is Bound for most of the time trying to come up with the name he was like we were just as a joke like we have his wife entitled the king of Bedford which is so embarrassing but like it needed became that name thank God it didn’t but we expect snow must be the king of it but we just so I know it’s the website but I would write about it and I love the Old Post have been deleted now cuz I don’t even agree with him but I was just writing to understand and then you know I I I was like why is he not actually funny funny thing I didn’t tell you I don’t like the first issue front cover was a band hookah skunk anansie who were playing in Bedford so I got to click on that interview and Xena Me podcast consoles are free again the CDs afraid that your problem is it’s getting your first interview how does a 14 year old girl but we have this little which is kind of a cold then you you you know what bands are on like like secret to little ask was and we had a bank with skunk anansie play so I knew the guy who was the event is he on the sky so I went down to her when I was like yeah can you let me do an interview. I did that the distance CD reviews and released with us tissue but that issue I said Run for the rental companies move to do the store at 2 and I want to show off today releases on blind because I was the most unimportant when they put me in for us so I liked it a really crappy time I interviewed Vinnie Paul from Pantera and I interviewed the down set hike all these bands at the gate with the one of those Old Dixie Forest River the dictaphone World on that go to my friend Tom’s dad’s estate agents would like to print out copies giveaway gig 6s when I used to get like these packs of CDs every week with 5 10 15 CDs I can send you a photo of any CD’s still there but I finish school with uni I wanted to stop fencing again online didn’t have the money to do it so my off my first year you need I stay behind I used to walk who died in the carpentry shop and then come back to me even though man takes them out so I learn how to build websites and then I started getting off the money by my landlord off me to go to website. Double cut your business he paid me $450 mind I was in I was working in the carpentry supplies full-time an hour so I was like okay this is cool that’s like sound like a hundred hours working and I didn’t like a day and then this recruiting company called Springfield can you build a website and I just found out that message a fine I was like this is insane this is the company of London countries during the first. Come by and they were like can you come here and can you like help us build this. Come we got whatever Millie’s investment how about ya and I like with the NFL I’m like okay I can take that severe mind I was like NM property other than what’s 40 * 160 week like what you need a website and then agency and then this time my friends had like your website I think you said I had a meteoric rise like I think one of the things that’s what well for me is all this background in like the first thing I knew I had to get my interviews right and I know interviews me to interview so I got in touch with Jameson lopp very early on this is going to come out to North Carolina do with you and by the way I’ve never shot a gun and I want you to take me to shoot a gun an interview as a vegetarian at the time you took me to a barbecue place and I didn’t have the heart to tell him so I ended up eating barbecue and then you show me to the gun range of a shotgun and I’m from the lucky that I think the reason the podcast some quiet so I can write a good set of gas and they’ve introduced me to the next guest but it will save my background in like Cabanas so I got a lot of work when I chew your show all those banners could come see my interviews. I genuinely find the stuff difficult to understand like genuinely I’m like I’ll get it I don’t understand that I get out I think that’s made out with the podcast is that you know I’ve asked questions other people want a while she’s probably sounds quite humbling because it is and then I had that kind of background of my family have known how to get like the important ingredient to get gas and then my back hurting boxing so I guess a whole bunch of great something I guess I guess my punk ass is just a combination of my background it doing the fans and boxing and digital marketing and just cut out who I am as a person that’s so cool and that. Just sit just bringing back this Cascade of memories of what it was like with black and white Xerox machines and like you said finding a hookup for a copy Earth if you could get a hookup to copy yours and you were still golden back in the 80s 90s you know when that and and I have a similar experience and it just it what Rings true for me is just that the spirit of do-it-yourself that’s what is unifying the punks and the meddlers in the hardcore and the cryptographers an open-source movement in all of the crypto Anarchy a sense of people say crip the Savages and it says that the unifying concept is is just being a power to go out and do it yourself and not you know not wait for permission not wait for Wayfair Venture funding and you can see that there are more resilient projects in the crypto space or the ones that that weren’t really over-leveraged in pandering to Ico money in the ones that are actually out there and I’m not to be judgmental or critical but but we but I like the way people say Bitcoin was in the accurate conception and it’s a headless Hydra that can just go and take over so many sectors of planet and now I have that central point of failure and just touches I guess I guess some people make some accusations of me sometimes it’s like you just become a Bitcoin Maxima so you just hang around with Bitcoin maximalism around 1:59 interviews now and if I’m a 3-day prep by prep for an interview as everything else I read I’m saying it like my opinion where I go to that is the conclusion for 59 interviews all the crap all the readings he hasn’t asked if I sound like a maximalist is because that’s what makes sense to me that’s where I’m on kind of that right now now I’m not a full Maximus but I’m not far off right and I just the thing about my podcast is quiet like anyone has been there for me stopped quite transparent me followed my journey of kind of what I learned and understood but I think what’s come out of that is like you’re bored and sorry for swearing but it’s so important. He Ledger or some like I don’t know just like some of this absolute nonsense out there if anything like let’s go to war because yeah where at where am I in time where are the People by removing the time now where we are all surveilled all day everyday online offline cameras like everything we do you know what Financial transactions where I would go out of the country problems everyone fighting with each other and then we could Bitcoin controls right nobody can really control decentralized the office I can do way of considering money I’m at the office where breaking the rules with math in the pool right now that I want to put most of my energy into laugh and I want to get away from all the noise will the distractions has stopped. Help. My stuff back when becoming what it can be because we might never get a chance like if you thought this out we might never get a chance like this again and I think that’s super important yeah I hear you there it’s just every day every day that goes by what you’re saying comes more becomes more clear and goes warm to focus in weather people are speculating on going to the moon and quick riches and what not or if it’s really deeper into the the ethos of it and the and the ethics of it I’m tight end to be always say the was if this is actually a question I’ve had for you since I’ve listened to your podcast I think I got I got in I’ve been a religious fanatic of your podcast going back to several months when you had an interview with Lynn Albrecht brazo bricks mother the political prisoner from the Silk Road and and have been following you since then and something that that I am interested in your your thoughts on too kind of elaborate is that I think you’ve asked a couple people here and there but you said something to the effect of do you have this concerned that the the new stablecoin projects are in a way attack and attack on bitcoin could you could you explain a little bit more cuz I’m I’m I’m considering the value of these newer stablecoins and it’s certainly a it’s a it’s a way more digestible narrative for onboarding new people into the power of crypto as far as bypassing the choke points of banks in and payment processors that don’t allow you to say certain things are not allowed in their terms of service but you can use any crypto to transact value online but now I’m leaning towards the stable coins at least as a crutch until Bitcoin kind of stabilize is overtime but but I’ll be interested yet to hear you kind of you can go off about why why you feel like people should be second-guessing this obviously the centralized ones but just in general that attack stablecoin doesn’t attack on bitcoin what does that mean for you fuzzy thank you for listening to do with little braids pink Floyds off me my favorite to you and I don’t see what that first one was my favorite by Fall because we didn’t really talk about Bitcoin and it’s very awesome story how do I create a political prisoner break his now friend of mine she you know we actually text each other today we talk regularly in Vegas just like Alexa from Ross thank me for supporting them and that’s a huge important so using voice because it’s me the Revolutionary that’s so much misinformation about him he should be in prison if you believe in the laws of the land but no way should he spend the rest of his life in prison I hear conversation about the right to choose and he he is a reason I was able to buy a treatment for my mother when she was time for cancer and I will stand up in front of anyone to say to them in my shoes if you stood there with your mother she’s never cancel it you two you two will probably break the rules to the kind of treatment to relieve the suffering and I believe that is so important I thank you for listening to that stable coins haha you know what it’s an interesting one from loving to hating I guess the the thing is for stable coins is in a pool business wild innocent X functional while they have a use case they have a use case they are easy on faucets transactions that money around the world and they would you spell identity. they do take away from Bitcoin and Lotus table coins could take away from Vic Mensa free sample Facebook account I want to properly stablecoin right people that’s taking people who could be buying Bitcoin away maybe they’ll introduce people to pick, but I believe Bitcoin and hard money and soft money so important that yes I see you. But I don’t ever want them to be a priority of a Bitcoin because the thing about stablecoins his Tales from the Crypt really realize that I am I asking the same it’ll be all right so they could have a black hole in sweater Black Swan events in the US that will lead to nest devaluation of u.s. dollar to the same I’m not conversant Maximus run like everything about for Bitcoins to wash it again the used case. We’re going to look if if there is like a semi pseudo decentralized stablecoin was a short-term Solutions $2 Bahrain in FL station with somebody wouldn’t risk Bitcoin yet use a stablecoin to give himself a little bit more freedom to transact rifle do business I get it at the same time I think we need to constantly educate people Bitcoin and encourage big one and it you know another one of my Eureka my mother is coming that I’m forgetting price very very rarely check price I’ve lost so much Bitcoin through bad trading and Mining stupid decisions like I lost like 1897 coin accumulate Bitcoin like that one pic when he was one Bitcoin thing is not about the money tree Valley cuz it changes is that what how much Bitcoin account now all I want to do is make sure the end of next year I’ll have more that kind of the way I will do that is by no selling not trading not using but doing what that creates money where I can buy a new Bitcoin and that’s my goal is to say I could make the pug cost usually successful in this is fat 2,000 lb of the end of each month maybe I’ll buy two thousand kind of Bitcoin the end of each month and I’m just going to keep accumulating on this kind of 10-year project I would like to be in a position where I got very significant Bitcoin holding and that’s amazing it’s usually boarded because we got to think about time preference is the journey for Bitcoin to take over and have a big one edition top and isn’t going to be a slow and steady and without want to send it to you so yes table that use case but yeah I agree with you yeah it’s kind of a temporary thing and it really there is no such thing as stable as sort of maybe less volatile on a certain time frame but it’s very it’s funny because the USD coins if the USB goes down and they have to follow along with it then it won’t be a stable going you know Andreas Antonopoulos I loved one of these his jeans you know is is he’s like a comedian and a genius and a you know he’s just such a hero to so many people and the things he said yeah it’s it’s volatile Munich of the Bitcoins volatile but also fiat currency the real Balto do you want to be on an upward trend of volatility or a downward trend of all tail because there’s only one way that the CPI currencies can really go so yeah it’s all semantics right really with you to the health how far you zoom in or zoom out of any chart yeah I mean it’s just like a say to me Bitcoin so important and I always like how how back to you when interviewed Caden long as he said prices the least interesting fact of a Bitcoin for me and I try and think like that you know how I kind of got lost in and get rich off crypto saying and now I’d like over the next year slow down I sure have a stable solid income that comes me a cup of my children, my life and my life stuff and then from there Play movie Gone and focus on Pitkin and just forget about price focus on the growth of the technology that use case and maybe with my book called educating people but get away from this kind of get rich from Bitcoin thing cuz that’s that’s not the right thing yeah I agree I have used used it for very practical purposes that exemplify the use case of remittances exemplified yusuke Civ V stunts answerable value transfer and you know for those who can afford to hot oil and a half Ford to hold it and speculate and save than you know that’s more power to the Toddlers and for people who just need to use it for you know I was having a conversation with with a friend recently where it’s like no matter what no matter what the volatility is that’s going to be all based on the the more advanced Traders and speculators and Market players and I’ll go Bots and all that stuff but as far as they your grandma or someone who is sending money to family members in a country that they are you know from but they’re not working in and they’re just doing the ribbons is as long as this this bulletproof kind of armored car that can travel from me from your location with your value across the internet to someone else you want to cash it out immediately and you know it might be a slippage of a couple fraction to percent given the time it takes for you know the six confirmations or whatever on the network know it’s still is always going to be stable enough for those those types of transactions and for the people that can afford to hang on to it and play that game and take losses and gains and paper and strong at the weekends well that’s what wall Street’s been doing this whole time anyway so and you know it’s just kind of a we trying to make the banking system more efficient are we trying to change the way money it’s not about the money value was created in generated who has influence over money cuz we know the powers-that-be will be abused that the fuse that position the money if you know they’ll print to have them when needed they will they will still text with inflation they will spend money Wars a year they will do countless Anna Faris things with money and things up the most people watch discuss did that so do we want to create a more efficient Financial system is much more important goal in life yeah I totally agree I’m it’s been a steep learning curve to even figure out how to get on coinbase Pro or any of the other exchanges and actually buy all coins and it says I see how it’s just the it’s buried there is a I guess a dark side to all of that speculating and trading an Arbitrage and there’s somebody losing anytime you win in that game kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth and in my B I guess I’ll be happy for a time when when the Bitcoin market capitalization is as dispersed geographically and economically as widely as possible and people do by their groceries do their laundry pay their rent you know by their Christmas gifts whatever it is in Holdings of Bitcoin in once that I was thinking of going back to punk and metal you know they made image it comes to me cuz I’m a drummer as I’m like well there will be a point when the when the Bitcoin that is produced that has been has been produced will be distributed enough amongst the masses of the world that’ll be like a snare drum and he’s just like tightening each pig on a snare drum until you have that more stable kind of bottom or at least a stable way more stable chart and then that will give people the confidence to transact in it and it won’t be so so lustfully extremely kind of addictive like crack cocaine to try to chase this Moon pumps and all that I think it’s going to happen it will just take it will take time for sure if you feel like that this kind of just like I just hang in there cuz it’s going to get away will like in other markets that have been volatile it will find a sweet spot over time I just don’t see how it’s going to die and just gone like looking to history of Bitcoin like go back look up look what’s happened over 10 years it’s gone from strength to strength and power a bad Marcus but every time is stronger bigger I just don’t see how it can be maybe he can but I just don’t say I just think it’s about patience until I’m now I trace man says it’s a 50 to 60 year project pride and those people are now wearing off the 1-year like we have a customer and a half thousand dollars right I’m people worried I mean come on let’s get in the real world right because I’m going to buy everything I can and other people but it went to Adelaide by order that so like he’s not going to die in a while now ETFs Ice come in future custody solutions for institutions biwi. Knowledge lightning that was coming it’s just growing is getting stronger and it’s getting harder it’s not going anywhere or does happen if people with people different time preferences who buy and sell at the wrong time of losing money but you know it’s just a game a patient’s I’m very very bullish on the future of Bitcoin write on me to likewise yeah it’s like the price drops it to me it’s a gift from the gods how could they be so merciful to let me get back on the train you know about buying the ditch dollar cost averaging and trying not to lose my mind staring at the shop and just yeah I like you like you said to me in the strategy don’t fucking quit your day job you know just put in a small amount as you generate real value in produce real value in the world and then and then just have this this hedge against the collapse of the Fiat system in and you’ll be blessed like the other people I love Trace mirrors work and I love that he’s doing the proof of keys thing I’m going to participate can you just shut that out too so we can promote that anybody who’s into crypto or crypto curious what is a spread that Meme of the the proof of Keys January 3rd Festival yes I trace my ass he’s running his campaign proof of keys like every year trying to decide which was is none of us three of the protocol on the 10th anniversary of the Bitcoin protocol launch in anyone’s remind people that you know if you don’t know your private Keys you don’t know your Bitcoin you have an IOU for a Bitcoin or you have a credit me for Bitcoin mining exchange generosity want everyone to go on to the exchanges take the Bitcoin off put it on that Hardware wallet on the Cold Water Solutions in the private so many people over the last year or so I guess you don’t even know what happened with the amount call soup one pot amount cuz he didn’t lose that money the Bitcoin you’ve got to be so sober and you could I owe you private Keys you know your Bitcoin so January 3rd I need to check it out website proof of keys., which you which everyone needs to go to check out but that’s so important you know I wanted to become part of it very important campaign Play Trace might recommend F-16 it out also will thank you for that and yeah one respect your time if you got to get going here so any last words you want to share and websites and your elbows and we’ll get people connected to all the greats I want to say this is my favorite over into your dumb because I didn’t know what he was looking at small there’s a very small people out there but when anyone wants to talk to me I’m about to do that but I’ve never enjoyed it interview so much cuz you come in my favorite subject which is evil that you ever want me to come and get on to the Future just let me know I’d be more than a pleasure if you want to check out my work on Google podcast SoundCloud on Spotify on Android 51 episodes in how to help people if you want to find them switch my test was at peace McCormack what DMVs are open to go to reach out yeah pretty much required to anyone here for anyone and I’m grateful to anyone he checks out all right. 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Operational Security in the Age of Grand Theft Crypto with Vin Armani TPP170

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In this episode I’m joined again by the illustrious Vin Armani for an instructive session on operational security for cryptocurrency users. We outline and cover the basics and address advanced concepts in a down to earth and accessible way. There are gems of wisdom that will educate and empower beginners and advanced users alike.

Please visit Vin’s website at http://vinarmani.com/

About Vin:
Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin I love your beloved’s welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 170 I am here again with vin Armani and we’re going to get very practical we’ve done a lot of really deep in esoteric podcast in the past so this will be I believe number for end of an ongoing series we really got into some deep material and this is definitely one that says still abstract probably for some people who aren’t really deeply living in the sort of Matrix and the way that we are and the crypto space but this is I believe it going to be a public service for those who are crypto curious or who have some skin in the game and want to keep it safe and we’re going to talk about what is often termed operational security for having a lifestyle that’s that’s starting to become your own bank in about people say happy your own bank will you better also you can do that if you want to get a Lambo after they become their own bank but I’d rather get an armored car lose it all so yeah we’re going to get into just some of the best practices some of the no some V the jargon but keep it very 101 level if we can and bring in some personal experiences and anecdotes and so yeah what that said then thank you so much again for joining us and if you could just tell us yeah give us an update on what’s going on with you and then we can LSU LSU rip on this on this topic cuz I know you got a lot to say sure thanks for having me back I’ve just been I really just been hard at work grinding away on a on a whole new version of software for my company coin text we took a nice round of seed funding and we took it in cryptocurrency so this is a very apropos I mean we’ve got a significant War chest that we are having to keep safe ourselves with our operational security and then of course Star product we do have some proprietary information that we also have to be very very careful with and that that we got to put into a situation with that were anything to happen to any of us Founders that we that the other ones would be able to to pick it up so this is a friend of mine for me right now and so yeah it’s cool it’s it’s it’s something that’s very very it’s it’s always fun to talk about especially at a high-level like a as you say like a 101 sort of level I think that there’s within the crypto space there’s definitely some people who fetishize operational security and I think that’s fantastic one thing that we should say going into this so so what is operational security this is keeping your information your money yourself safe and secure and there are a lot of facets to that most people don’t need a level of operational security that is at the level that you would need if you were a politician or Diplomat or a significantly Rich wealthy individual my youngest brother is actually a bodyguard private Executive Security for one of the in the top 20 richest individuals on the planet so he and I talked about this stuff quite a bit it’s super interesting but most people still have a need especially if you’re going to move into the crypto space a lot of people who have not had a lot of experience with dealing in cash I mean those people are paid and you know they work a job that paid either a check or there they get it direct deposited into their account and the bank takes on a lot of responsibility in terms of you know they’re going to be Mercy with you have fraud on your account if you get your card stolen they’re going to replace that for you and shut off the account and they’re going to handle a lot of operational security Now part of the promise of Bitcoin from the beginning from the white paper was that the idea is to remove those trusted third parties from out of the mix now you get a lot there’s a lot of benefits by removing those trusses third parties because those trusses third parties are the banks and in this day and age there’s very little separation between the banks and the state there’s kind of a revolving door with regulatory capture so you remove the bank’s you remove the state you get a lot more financial sovereignty but with financial solvency comes the responsibility of taking care of your own operational security because no one else is going to do it for you so we’ve got you sent me over this is this is really awesome that you put this put together a sort of on a map of things to talk about in terms of operational security I think you’ve got him handled do you then want to go over sort of what you had in mind a place to start and then we’ll just jump in at each other at each individual place that sounds great yeah and thank you for providing that intro that was so accessible and I feel like the grandmas that we want to use non-custodial wallets could all Beach standing up and cheering right now just hearing what you just said because you’re also giving a little bit of credit to the systems that we rely on or support so it shows a well-balanced prospective you get a lot of will you know I love one of my favorite economics quotes is Thomas Sowell and he says in economics there are no Solutions only trade-offs and so you should never think that crypto is a solution in and of itself there is a series of trade-offs and I think that to be responsible in moving into this new space we have to be honest about not just what the positive trade-offs are but also what some of the costs are or some of the things that we potentially are losing in terms of convenience and in terms of security that we because then we can make up the difference right so at least we go into it with our eyes wide open absolutely absolutely very nice to point there and yeah I guess I was just say for myself a little bit of background I’m not I’m not in a paid position as a security professional but in the office environments and corporate environments in other sort of associations that I have I have attempted to in my step up into that role and have a sort of try to be a fly on the wall or have some have my ear to the door on the security professional space and 10 years ago there weren’t that many podcast when I started getting it is now there’s a whole bunch of them and I kind of elapsed on my being really focused on this stuff but one wants to get back in the car once I got into crypto I got back into looking at what are the pentesters doing what are these professional groups that are actually doing with skull penetration testing and they’re actually hired like in that movie sneakers with Robert Redford which is a a Prelude to the entire crypto Revolution that were in right now and it goes back to the crypto Wars and I’ve just wrecked my gutter recommend that for anybody if you want to get that do stuff with that sort of phone techno sci-fi thriller you know that I sent him by then watch that movie sneakers from the early 90s cuz it puts they was prophecy for right now so I just want to throw that out there that I’m not I get a professional here but what I’m trying to do is be a bridge between lay folks and people my loved ones and myself and the very technical computer science now of protecting what you have and then we say it’s the Wild West in October in the wild west if you had a six-shooter you pretty much we’re okay to protect your your winnings at the casino and your gold and your your lady and your horse and whatever else but now you know you got to be a multi-dimensional ninja and have a sense of this jargon and stuff so I’m just going to lay out a little bit of the sort of this mind map that has some dragon in it but stuff that you were super well-versed in so you would have a better handle on bringing it down to Earth are people so you know I think we can start with just looking at his concept of threat modeling which is if you if you have a few interests and a business model you’re looking at your your risks your opportunities that the competitors in the market place that markets there’s a there’s always things we take for granted about business modeling will part of that risk assessment part of a business or your personal life is to look at what is water in your line of work and your lifestyle like you said if you’re not super rich you’re not a politician you probably have you know somewhere along Joe sixpack to maybe not all the way to Zuckerberg with something in between where you’re trying to deal with you know that what is typical for you and your life your station in life and I just broke it down into three broad categories that you can zoom in to in for this its malice negligence and in the case of crypto its regulatory so what are the threats coming at most of us people who are trying to hurt us take something from us manipulators make a new trolls makes Michael Apso without drilling down into that would you say we’re all facing that thread there’s always people who are who are coming at us with malice and then there’s a whole nother Spear of the threats that are just negligence you know that could be in Mentone on crypto Digital Life just a drunk driver or whatever you know any said negligence is people who are doing our intended harm to you and then I think a combination of both if I can put on my valise and negligence you get radio I think that’s right who in crypto you know what we’ll get into that but it’s like that that’s it right there so and then just to give you a maybe how about let’s just do this one more time so before I give away to reveal the cards of the other two broad categories here we’ll just let you go yeah go off on what comes to mind for you with malice negligence and Regulatory threats as a crypto user and developer so I think for most people malice is 4 / most average people out there malice is actually going to be your your number one concern but your concern although I’ll give you a little a little story here and this is this is one where I failed I think it’s kind of always good to to share when where you failed that the simple one that could happen to could really have happened to anybody and it illustrates that even with the best of intentions you can blow it with operational security so several years ago this is probably five six years ago I was going to go and do what was going to be my first ayahuasca ceremony and for anybody who’s gone through that process like you don’t know what’s coming and I’m somebody who out you know I’m always hoping for the best but preparing for the worst and the woman that I was seeing at the time I was living with her I was like I’m going off I’m going to go off and I’m going to do this ayahuasca ceremony and I’m going to leave you just in case something happens who know right so I wrote down on a piece of paper I said here are my passwords here’s the combination to my safe like here are all of these things just in case something were to happen to me hear the phone numbers that you should call whatever and I left this piece of paper with her actually I actually had left it in my closet and you know I didn’t really think about it the ceremony great I’d eventually a couple days later went and saw the piece of paper was in the same place took it like ripped it up through it through it in the toilet flush the toilet gone it was probably I don’t know about a year later we had broken up and I was doing my own thing living in another place already dating someone else and happened to run into a mutual friend of mine who seemed very sort of frantic when she saw she saw me a mutual friend of myself in my ex she was like oh my God I didn’t have your number I didn’t know what to do about this you have to know that your ex has access to your email and has been reading it this whole time she knows everything that’s been going on with you she’s been doing her best to try to like it like stepping between she’s been doing all this weird stuff in the background with a girl that you’re like dating now she’s trying to like mess all these things have been like oh my God and I thought to myself right I’m like how the hell does she have access and then it occurred to me oh yeah I had written that thing down so she had gone and written it all down now who knows who knows whether you know probably at the time she probably thought that she had like the best of intentions like oh just in case right or maybe not but that created that situation and particularly there was some business deals that we’re going on at the time it it really luckily luckily nothing you know terrible came of it and I was able to go through and and look and actually did see I wanted to Google it was a my Gmail account I went in to Google so we’ll security thing and did see that their identities other logins which is something that I advise everybody to check periodically that’s one of the easiest things that you can do for your operational security I know that you can set it so that alerts will come be sure that that’s set especially if you have an Android phone it’ll come right to your phone saying that another that an unknown device is trying to login be sure to have that that’s what that’s what just one small thing that that is very helpful so so this was one where malice came into play much later so it is to say that sometimes a mistake that you make at one point can pop-up much much much later so that’s that’s a story about malice and it’s one where it’s like think about that before you give away passwords you know codes to your phone all of these things and if you do something so so what would the moral of the story of Ben for me what I should have done is in that scenario every single one of those things that I had written down and turn the password and everything I should have changed them immediately so if you ever did write them down and give them to somebody that for some sort of situation like that if it’s I mean that’s perhaps inappropriate situation to be doing that in what I should have done as I should have as soon as I came back I should have changed them all everything you know what does that actually and I also another and I love that story and I’m going to actually follow that up with some stuff you’re going to love to have sex so appropriate for the for the the erotic nature of this podcast listenership for sure so we’re going to make the sexy and fun don’t worry that is the sexiest and most fun way to approach operation security is of course in relationships for the worst forms of malice can occur so okay so practically speaking because people there’s this sort of I mean it’s like they say dentist what is it Mirror Maze I can’t remember the list of the professions that have the highest suicide rate because people hate them or don’t take him seriously and I think security Chief security officers has got to be on that list because nobody listens to you know I listen to them and they are just sitting there end of the first ones to get fired when something goes wrong even though they warned everybody so because people are so resistant to best practices from Security Professionals that tell him you and please don’t give me you know your dog’s name password that you have for your bank and everything else cuz I just want to go in and update your WordPress the best thing that I would say to them is that okay temporarily change your password and if you don’t know how to create a secondary admin you know account on whatever it is they were working on then you change that password temporarily give me the change password and then as soon as the job is done you change it back to whatever you want and I don’t ever see or no I don’t want that liability so two-year Point absolutely that is the solution of that is there are times when you’re going to have to do exactly what you said and you know that sin if we can’t tell me also is that you remember the movie Casino I’m sure where it is like I remember it was just when you said that the line that came to me was from what is when he said you know if you love someone the trust him with everything otherwise what’s the point in the whole movie was based around how pretty much tea crave that safe-deposit box with a Shakedown money and she had was the only other person if you get in there to spend it and she get broken and used it to pay the old girl temp that is something to remember also about operational security that your security is immediately suspect it’s not fully compromised but you should consider it a you should consider it a major major threat if as soon as you share secure information with another individual so if you want to have real operational security I think an aunt again it’s you know I see so many people who give over there you know their codes to their their phones and all of this to two significant other and what not their pins to their bank accounts you know keys to an access to two other accounts these are all situations where it doesn’t it and we’ll get into this a little further but it’s like you in many ways are also putting them at risk when you do that especially if you do it unnecessarily right and you should always assume that although they may be completely benign at this point that in the future there is the possibility that this other individual who you can’t control who you don’t know what they’re doing 24/7 that that individual is going to to actually become a potentially a n attack surface themselves and so Emma and will get into that so I mean that’s that’s either through malice or that’s all through also through negligence right so that kind of leaves into the negligence as well because it’s like while you may be completely fastidious about what you do in terms of your operational security if any part of that you delegate to someone else or you share with someone else in a way that they can compromise it you don’t know if they’re going to be negligent or not like you don’t know what could possibly happen and so you want to maintain as much control as you possibly can now the interesting thing like what at what I do believe about maintaining control is that the best way to maintain control in this day and age is physically and the highest level security systems so you’re talking about like security systems that are like you know control nuclear launches or nuclear energy sites things that you know infectious diseases all of this all of those systems are all air-gapped that’s one of the things that they do with all of those systems and what are Gap means is that there’s no way for you to get from the internet to that system that system completely disconnected from the internet and completely disconnected from any internet-connected device and so that’s always going to be in this day and age your your safest bet and so it’s under your control disconnected from the internet where you can have some idea of where it is 24/7 that’s going to definitely mitigate negligence and then regulatory yeah this one in crypto is a tough one and it it requires constant learning I’ve actually I actually was schooled by my attorney now that we have a corporate attorney recently in terms of how I had thought that the government was handling and and and funny enough that this is like something that even people that I know who have been in crypto for a long time who guys who won ATM machines and what not clear on how the financial crimes enforcement Network which is fincen which are the ones who are really the the main people who crack down and turns of crypto exchange and and what not like unregistered money service businesses and why not how they work and how they’re handling cryptocurrency exchanges in and most people had thought that it fell under a a a foreign exchange law but come to find out fence and it doesn’t actually fall into foreign exchange law Dave Dave said themselves well know the foreign exchange while I was only a few or an exchanger of one currency of a country for another currency of a country so clearly and didn’t send says this themselves they say no it’s it’s it’s not that what we think it is and how we regulated as we regulated as a money transfer which is essentially like Western Union or MoneyGram or something like that it’s the law says that it’s someone who takes money from one person and then sends it on behalf of that person to another person and that it also says or to another location and so basically how they look at it is if I’ve if I take you no cash from you and then I send my Bitcoin aunt at I broadcast a transaction on to the blockchain they say well I didn’t give it to you I sent it to another location and so that’s money transfer and so this is how they are trying to you know crack down on people who are doing either ATMs without money service business license or hand-to-hand exchange is like with localbitcoins they’re having a very difficult time actually Prosecuting these things but what they are doing and it’s something for people to watch out for I think it’s still relatively safe to do localbitcoins but how they are getting people is they will if they’re just going off of greed they will say hey I want to buy $50,000 worth of bitcoin from you and those guys like okay sweet I want to do that I’ve got I’ve got it want to help you out and then they show up and before they do the exchange they say a man you know I’m glad that I could get these Bitcoin because I’ve got this big heroin deal that and you know he only take Bitcoin and glad you were here man and maybe we could do this in the future in the guy goes yeah sure no problem that’s how they got Charlie shrem how they got that’s how they get them all that’s how they get them all is an cuz of that becomes money laundering money laundry so you’re aware or that you have any knowledge that anything illegal to be having a sick note unless you’re buying Bibles for the mission in South America you are going to jail so this is so this actually has a parallel in the escort world and that is that it is completely legal to contract for time and companionship but the same way that they get escorts is the person shows up and they say yeah want to make sure like because I you know I’m very picky can I get XYZ right specific things and then if the the person who’s there is like oh yeah sure no problem and then they give them the money boom your pops so so what it comes down to is if you’re going to do exchanges with strangers of cash for crypto if they said just like if you’re an escort and they mention anything sexual other than you know and if anything other than time and companionship you just walk right out same sort of situation you just walk right out and you’re fine it’s no problem crypto entrapment and now it’s like you have all these at least these hilarious cultural memes around what Undercovers do at parties and stuff so now you just pretty much laid out how what is the crypto undercover sting operation guy look like a gal who can they go to a meet up and they are localbitcoins and they they would approach you like that in this is pretty much a some kind of entrapment that’s some serious you know what at their minds me for that people who are Tantra Savvy and remember the Phoenix goddess temple one of the operation that they did they came in and they would have undercover officers they called it operation goddess Temple a 6-month surveillance operation where they end in i interview Tracy on this pod Preston she said they would come in there is one guy came in there and said I want to take to get it to get a quote Fior rangement for sexual acts that would be entrapment she said he came in there any said I want to put my caca in your vagina, oh my God I want to not in court but it reminds me of that was that movie at a Tarantino one where they had that you got to be naturalistic as hell that. So anyway so K I was dead guessing but yeah that’s that’s this is so it at somebody in California a woman got popped for localbitcoins operating basic buy a localbitcoins operation running that kind of business so it’s it’s a trip though because you have The Regulators fighting over whether or not it’s a commodity or a currency in which case is kind of like well can I choose which which one of the Hammers is going to come down on me I’d rather be blessed for the money transfer thing though is very very broad so whether it’s a commodity whether it’s currency it literally says anything that substitutes for for Value. That that that substitutes for like money in any way this is what fence and they put out specific guidance on this saying this is how we’re handling it now another thing to think about when you’re talkin about regulatory is will the first thing is this the operating as an unlicensed money service business is very serious it’s the maximum penalty is 5 years in federal prison so it’s a very very serious it’s something that people should before you if you’re going to go out and think that you’re going to start exchanging crypto for cash as a business you really need to think about that the other thing to keep in mind is even though you may be cool under federal law with a federal law says is that if you are if you break State money service business law if you immediately become liable for the penalties under the federal so if you are fine under Federal but you’ve done something and all 50 states have to have different regulations so if you’ve done something wrong under the state regulation that’s just your going to get the state penalty and you’re going to be liable for the federal penalty as well now you’ve got States like New Hampshire that have specifically Exempted cryptocurrency from from money transfer and also if you are just selling a cryptocurrency hand-to-hand I actually have a letter from the banking Commission on their letterhead and all that in there like we so long as you are you know operating under best business practices as any other business we do not regulate that so in one of the few states where it’s cool on a Stateside but you see I mean you’re still liable for the Fed so it’s just that’s just something for people to keep in mind the state is always your biggest threat so before you go into you know before you go into any business in this regard definitely go and get some legal counsel look over the statutes read every single thing that you can and if there’s anything that seems unclear I really talk to a professional in that regard so that’s I just just want to say that that’s really important yeah thank you so much and anybody who’s paying attention to even just the headlines in crypto it’s it’s just the shitshow with all of this regulation although there are some allies for sure you know Wyoming Nevada New Hampshire is going to have to be a crypto what are the free state movement for crypto doubt that semi maybe it’s going to take that Meme and just brought in it and just be like go to a stronghold and do the regulatory Arbitrage Boogie you know sure for sure I mean that really the free state project is very proud of what’s happened in terms of crypto here in New Hampshire and I mean that’s the reason why I’m here it’s the reason why we why we decided to basecoin text here it’s just it clears up a lot man it really it really does it’s just that whole level of Regulation that we don’t even really have to worry about so I do think that there’s eventually it it just makes sense that there would be a crypto Silicon Valley or Wall Street I mean they have what they call Valley in Zurich Switzerland but I think it probably will have to be in the US side I mean the US is just the biggest market for all of this and of course the most important financial markets in the world are here in the US so you know if we’re going to break the dollar it’s going to be it’s going to be here for sure right on man yeah well thank you so much and I I know is that I had I’ve always I’ve often wondered since hearing about it you know what what that trade-off process was for you to leave Vegas and go there and you know you have the means I’m sure that will just live as many days of the year in Vegas if you want and still be a resident there but it’s not like I like somebody who they’re they’re never looking back to where their Hometown was when they get a job bus you know somewhere else but but I do appreciate that and that’s a bold move and believe me I fantasize about a dream about it and part of my soul is already prospecting over looking for property over there but but yeah man so something I will have to The Departed especially cuz you brought up the the Ayahuasca part one of the episodes I did in the past episode number 126 was called decrypting the cyberdelic revolution with the Renzo Haggerty and he is the host of the Psychedelic Salon podcast and he has a really solid Tech and internet background that you can hear all about in that in that podcast but one of the things he said I want of his podcast was that he was talking about the the shaman Tony Moss who is outspoken Iowa’s modern sort of Ayahuasca Shaman and he said you know Lorenzo said about him I trust I would trust him with my root password any day so be careful who you share that with but yeah if you’re an interesting about the ceremony still cuz I thought you were actually going to go in the direction of like yeah I thought I was going into a really well vetted Shaman and then I ended up giving my my soul’s root password up to someone who had had a strong opsec in that regard will have to get into that I think we’ve got into a bit of that before we get on another episode ahead of us so back up. Yeah yeah thank you for all the stuff I think that was really really key material for no pun intended for the regulatory stuff anybody thinking about you know what your responsibilities is and then even just maybe something to the tax liability is something to add to that with if you have thoughts on that with them you haven’t been talking about that or just where you thinking about okay if you now when I think about I used to just want to give away crypto or get friends involving up and now I feel like oh my God every time I drop one Satoshi gun to someone else’s wallet they now have a tax liability that could get them in trouble later so I’m wondering a little bit so just to understand what that is the idea behind capital gains tax in and I believe that on crypto it is 21% I believe don’t don’t quote me on this and it’s also so basically what it is is that if you’ve held for the basically for over 12 months usually is what it is this time may may vary depending upon what your jurisdiction is it when it comes to capital gains but the idea behind capital gains is if you let’s say you bought at 1000 and you sold at 3000 you had $2,000 worth of capital games in terms of the value of the capital that you had one and so therefore you are ostensibly you’re liable for that capital gains now where this gets a little gray into the gray area and there’s a lot of gray areas in crypto is I can see it now and this is just people just got to know and got to get the word out and start building yeah I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now either way I can guess it’s a people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I have to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I don’t know how to set up with a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good Hello Google it’s the birthday I feel like you have a lot of love like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this would be a place for people to better and I literally I mean you know they call it an adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of the UNIF you’re not in front of the camera at doing this stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in Reno and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping leaving out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as Veterans of violence and brutality and warfare. civilians is military yeah, that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we you know and you know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval like being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performance have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Guerilla Yoga with Survival Wombyn Jazmin TPP167

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In this podcast I’m joined by Jazmin, a yoga instructor, community organizer, activist, bookstore owner. She’s a social media friend who has become a heroine to me as she shares some of my deepest and dearest roots in the ecological anarchism movement. Her spiritual activism and activist spirituality are sincerely humbling and it was very healing and invigorating to explore her insights and feel proud to earn her respect.

We discuss:

  • guerilla yoga
  • decentralized yoga
  • racial politics in radical movements
  • political prisoners
  • state repression
  • modeling
  • camming
  • sex work
  • cryptocurrency
  • college life
  • community space
  • cooperatives
  • patriarchy
  • gender politics
  • the survival wombyn eco-educational modeling project
  • and more!

Here is the link to her Survival Wombyn profile page:
https://survivalwombyn.com/jazmin/

About Jazmin:

I embody a yoga practice that is at the intersection of holistic wellness and social justice activism. My yoga practice, is diverse and ever-evolving. In the past five years, yoga played a significant role in my personal development and transformation. I am living proof that disciplined empathy for yourself,  will change how you show up and interact in the world.

I am passionate about supporting all communities, this includes those communities who often have limited access to personal care and holistic resources.  It is my intention to build bridges, weaving among diverse groups, sprinkling yoga as I go. My intention is to empower people to cultivate a more holistic relationship to themselves and the Earth. Meditation and yoga are the practices I utilize to embody actions for radical personal and collective transformation.
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My paypal email is:
jazminfrancescayoga [at] gmail [dot].com

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township on podcast episode number 167 I am extremely excited in just grinning from ear-to-ear because I have Jasmine as a guest on the show and this is the the very exciting Adventures background that I have to to lead up to our conversation she has been a friend of mine on social media now for probably a good many moons and also a listener of the podcast and it’s always a treat for me to just find out that random different people from all over the world that are tuning in and getting something positive and empowering from this and to have somebody step up and just kind of time in really is affirming for me so it’s like wipe she goes by the name black girl affirming on Instagram and I feel like she’s helped this white boy give a little back formation and if I says so it’s been fun yeah we’ve we just had a bancer online and there was a time of you know I would say that that the cheat sheet she gets my heart racing and as I see your posts and and she’s easy on the eyes and all that good stuff and you know but I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t have crossed the line of propositioning her to be hired as a model I don’t want to end up using that as like a unprofessional Shady pick-up line you know but but I was compelled to be like damn I got to know if you’d be willing to take money for some of these pictures if you’re shipping because you’ve got you know the vibe that I’m going for them looking for as far as women who are empowered and have a story to tell and are doing cool things in the world that are inspiring and and also being willing to play with erotic energy and actually engage in and share a bit of them to set themselves in an erotic matter with the world and so whenever I see that whenever I see those two things together it it it makes me want to reach out in that way but so that the the real what makes me so ridiculously happy right now is to talk about this is is to describe that moment where I saw the one little Instagram clip little video clip that that push me over the edge and it was this a scene with a beautiful like small kind of Creek little waterfall Rock somewhere in a lovely Forest environment and there she was burying her fairness to the world from a nice full backside kind of perspective in and she’s first facing forward or you’re facing away from the camera and then there’s is very slow very meticulous and methodical turning over head towards the camera so naked and had her turning over her shoulder and then there is the absolutely most mischievous yet playful and somehow Innocent but it totally inviting look like I’ve never felt so invited to anything and end but it’s left to your imagination so it could be that you are you’re invited to also take her clothes off and get in the water or you’re invited to just sort of let your imagination roll and and I I think I was in that moment just feeling like this is the quintessential expression that if only women in the world were permitted and facilitated and in in secured and inhaled safe to be able to be able to express it as they want to be then then there will be a lot more of these beautiful moments for a cell to for taken and nothing in for all genders and for all Expressions you know to feel like hey this is me you know here I am love it or leave it whatever and son is just so many it’s worth a thousand words and I’m and I’m going to use a screenshot as the as the the assertive profile photo for this episode so anybody listening please do yourself a favor and and get a deep download a deep deep Country transmission from this photo it says like this is how we all could be living you know naked men like trans McKenna said we know where we really want to be is in the jungle sitting in the jungle naked stoned and exalted and and that’s how I want to live so you know with all the with all that said a couple little things here is that Jasmine is a yoga instructor a community organizer activist and a bookstore owner and and she will be one of the very first survival women models for the new website that I’m launching at mentioned a few times in the past and and we’ll get in to kind of the the the thinking behind that and how we you know we’re going to collaborate to really changed shifts and paradigms in a really fun and empowered way so we’ll get into that later but for now just wanted to say thank you for bearing with the too long intro and Jasmine is going to know take over and lead us on a nice some grounding kind of intro and then we’ll get to hear all about her in her own words a band that was beautiful and so honored to be on this podcast with you today and I just want to take a couple of moments to kind of ground and center before we get the chatting so I invite anyone who is listening to this to find a comfortable seat if you can’t find a comfortable seat that’s fine to invite you to close your eyes if you’re not driving just began to turn in and word and Bill the contrast of the heaviness of the body and the likeness of your breath maybe you take your tongue to the top of the mouth so you create a nice little part between your lips and your teeth and I hope your breathing slowly begin to let your ex house become a little bit longer than your in house maybe you call when your favorite see it to you right now where energy or spirit that you like to work with whenever you’re ready believe again. The eyes flutter open and bring yourself back into this moment all right Manny ready I’m ready I am so ready I was born ready for this cool so yeah tell us all about your personal life journey to lead us up to this lovely moment they were sharing Barry as well I am from a small rural town and you know I’m one of those places where there’s not much to do besides getting in trouble so I’m actually really blessed that somehow that my past was a lot different from a lot of the kids that I grew up with and I think a lot of that had to do with like the the matriarchal family I was brought up in had a strong grandmother even though during this time so I kind of just thought she was really strict she’s actually creating like structure that a lot of children crave to start at 6 and set three light and three growing up with her she put me into an early college high school so I graduated high school at 17 with an associates degree I went off to go to college I graduated college it’s Manny with a ba in political science college for about five years now so I’m 25 and most people would just be graduating college right now but when I graduated college like a lot of people kind of experience this like shifting your like like where you feel like okay now what and during that now what phase is when I begin my yoga Journey my yoga practice and that was five and a half years ago and a lot has changed but the one constant has always been my ability to come back to my map and for that I’m really grateful and I think have self-discipline through my practice has really shaped and mold me into the woman I am today so yeah that’s fabulous your accelerated I love it there are these moments of acceleration where you’re like you kind of like blink and then like a years have gone by and then you have these moments where I like things kinda Canfield. But really that’s just the time of resting there to be honored to you know right on yeah that’s that’s very interesting is this the first time I’ve heard of a program of a high school where you could actually be getting credit towards College simultaneously that sounds like a very opportune in yeah I would love to see that via the way for people to be more empowered and more set up and I have to reinvent the wheel so much with so many wasted hours if monotony and rote learning and all that stuff so yeah how was your college experience it’s kind of a shitshow I think up until that point I had been like so sheltered and really like a nerd for lack of better words you know it’s kind of cool now but back then it didn’t feel too cool so when I got the college and I was like by myself like any country girl who finally gets to the city, but I was able to keep it together enough so I can walk across that stage tell us more about the wildness if I can’t imagine what you mean by that College was a great experience in the sense that that was the first time I had really look like I had an opportunity to like really explore like black urban culture like I said I am an African-American woman and I grew up in a rule town and many of my school years I was often like one of maybe like three black kids so is a culture shock in that way and you know I’m forever grateful for those times like the relationships in The Sisterhood that created really like been lifelong friendship and he has so many of the people I went to school there doing incredible things here in the area that we lived in especially in the activist and organizing community so I’ll go ahead and I’m going to mention this I hope she’s okay with me mention this I have a friend named glow who was a part of the Charlotte Uprising if you’re not familiar with the Charlotte Uprising it was a series of a protest that were triggered by the the police killing of an unarmed black man and weather has been really in transit in that movement and is facing felony charges for conspiracy and like starting a riot and all these like what does Tactics with the state uses to impress black voices honestly and so if anybody wants to support glow you can support her at like Charlotte Uprising on Facebook figure out how you feel like donate to her legal defense funds and yeah and so like all of us and now we’re like out here doing this like activist work and back then if you knew you would never think we would be the ones like on the front lines protesting because back then we’re more concerned about partying but you know well that’s best music to my ears. I definitely had a similar experience yeah but partying and getting political and political partying it for being a little more on the for me you know I’m the anarchists kind of spectrum of just wanting to break down break down all the organized religions and all the organized political systems and get really really raw and him back to the roots and I know ya without disclosing your your whereabouts exactly I know that there is a I mean we have good good very deeply nature connected kind of movements that we that we both share so yeah Anarchy for life oh yeah so good part owner of is an anarchist bookstore so we we we focus a lot and Anarchist literature and having a very diverse selection of authors and you know Octavia Butler you know emergent strategy and brown Bell hooks You Name It We got it has been a really good experience for me I thought I was bad until I like teamed up and started doing this and I was like well I could be way more rider that’s awesome it sounds like it’s kind of a Cooperative kind of structure is at how do you how do you do that it’s just really interesting and really this I’d love to spend some time on this because a 25 year old entrepreneur in that space but also doing it in a minute in a more collectivized sense where you’re not trying to always be the lone rock star or you know carrying all the weight by having a healthy business Dynamic where you’re serving the community and your hopefully you know appealing yourself away from the working for the man you know and making living it’s doing things right so how is that you want to tell us about it just a Dynamics in so people can get a good get inspired to do some other things a lot of people are starting to wake up to you it’s the idea that you really can’t do it all by yourself you know like we’re so removed from like community that it’s just so much to take on especially when you look at the state of the world now that you can be really depressing if you try to like fix everything by yourself and so I think like working with a proper dose is been really like therapeutic for me like the bonds that I’ve built but these people but you know in a traditional work setting maybe have like a cold and you’re just really not feeling up to par but you might not necessarily have that intimate connection to just be like you know what like I would like to give 100% today but you might get 75 and this is why I not feel judged for it because we we don’t prioritize our work as like in a sense of like a capitalist labor mentality like our work is more of a in the sense of service start Unity so yeah I love that I have the ability to like lean into that a lot and I think it’s something that’s really missing but you know I’m we talked about entrepreneurship I feel that that’s been the white one of the cornerstones of my generation is just being like you know I really don’t want to do the nine-to-five thing is like forever confused when I let got a college about like why I was so depressed and so miserable and these jobs and it’s because they’re not normal you’re not in it so like an office desk or Worse do you like hard manual labor for like hours of a day and like get like an hour break has not normal it just doesn’t make sense to me when I started linking up with like-minded people I was like Oh My Tribe thank God I’ve been looking everywhere for you guys. I feel exactly the same way and I was just having a conversation just about the drudgery and the sort of repackage slavery in a lot of people you know you would have more of a deeper authentic voice on this issue the me one of the ways to think that people lose sight of just the process of building Empire in Civilization is that you know the The Branding on slavery has changed and their arguments have been made you know you can audit them better than I but just saying that essentially the it was in some way some people would argue I’ve heard the argument that that no slaves who do the slave labor have to earn in Spain money for rent and room and board and all of these other Aldi’s Aldi’s other necessities of life that that were provided in so-called traditional or official slavery now the trick on everybody and not the least of which being the freed slaves is that oh you’re free now but you still are under the impressive system still have institutionally disadvantaged and marginalized in the whole pyramid of privilege is still a pressing and on top of that now you have to pay rent now you have all these other bosses in oppressors and it’s like the only way to break free from all that is to do what you’re talkin about which is collectivize and share resources in and work for working with each other and serve a community in an end then you can really be free of of having to feel pressure to work for somebody else’s you know Empire to even survive I don’t know how that sounds you know if I’m using the right language but curious about your thoughts very deep question when I when I hear you speak up a couple of things come to mind me I think I like I wouldn’t be the first person to say like today’s caplis labor is slavery I would attribute more of that like modern slavery slavery to like the prison industrial complex just because like I mean the way those people are treated in prison is just absolutely disgusting you know I am a part of a collective that collects books for prisoners and like they can’t even get hardback books like there’s so many regulations on like what they’re allowed to even read in prison that. Feels like that’s very much like like somebody having like literal control of your life where I think you know in like capless America like traditional Society like we do have like a lot of leeway in that sense but other thing that came to mind was you know how the system of capitalism rely so heavily on when men and women’s bodies right because ultimately we are the people who reproduce the workers are right and that’s something that really came to me and that the way that like our government tries to regulate women’s bodies is so deeply High to capitalism. if you want to talk about women’s Liberation we have to talk about the dismantlement of the system that no longer is working for us you know yeah yeah those are really really important points I’m glad you brought them up and they had those are whole whole topics for whole other episodes that I will definitely have you a recurring guest in knowing when we so now there anybody listening to understand why you know why I’m so thrilled to have someone with this level of insight to to be on the show and to bring help me come back to a more radical more more insurrectionary even kind of attitude towards the system and you know I’m really not here to to put on rose colored glasses and make everybody into Township Bliss bunnies that just Frolic and leap over all of the Shadow work that needs to be done so she had sex magic which is like I would love to see a people’s movement rooted in spiritual health and sexual Liberation and that didn’t happen a lot I mean even I know the Black Panthers were were systematically terrorized by the FBI and they would even implant it wouldn’t plant home-wrecking informants and in Plants insiders to actually fuck with people using jealousy and using the tactics of of like really Mike fucked-up monogamous drama to fucking ruin the movement and say okay if you had resilient sexual magical tantric tribes maybe that shitt wouldn’t work maybe they’d have to go through 74 initiations I know even the The Weather Underground SDs that was more of a of a white kind of elite more elitist and white kind of movement that they would do homosexual initiations to not that I know exactly all of the historical details about it but I believe that the thinking was that to break down the structures of patriarchy that they would they would in some places require a sort of homosexual kind of initiation and that probably also was a way to say oh you do you know any if you’re a cop in the room raise your hand okay now now you have to like stripped naked and join this orgy otherwise you know your we’re going to know your I don’t know if that anyway I could there’s so much to learn about about these about this movement so again I just I think we’re going to have lots of fun on going you know exploring the stuff and I’ll just leave it there for now but yeah go ahead. I will shut myself up and you know it when we were talking about like you know like the FBI using like jealousy and like these like like kind of Primal like Musa kind of fuck was like I was really lucky to do you like an all-day group intensive workshop with Alice Walker and if you’re familiar with her she’s the author of The Color Purple in search of our mothers Gardens you really famous Friday and my question for her was like how do I continue to show up as a community organizer as activist and like take care of myself at the same time and her response was you have to heal yourself first before you can show up in that capacity so you know especially with like Daris amen if you’re not doing that emotional labor like you’ll you’ll get you’ll get there like you you’ll make strides but you it can be easily triggered and this I told if you’re not working on things like jealousy and you know like these Primal energy that can be really a distraction at times yeah that is that’s great advice well we’ll so now it’s okay so I’m just so thrilled because normally did to this is I mean I’ll say that there is a lot of well well meant and really justifiable tension and hostility between and among the genders and sexes in radical communities because there is so many creditors that go into like direct-action campaign and end up trying to you know he’ll actually a lot of those people are are the cops I got to give away a dead giveaway is at the agitators who were sent in there and if they’re not actually trained it call Monica or whatever they’re actually just sort of people that may be a flipping and doing the sort of treacherous and traitors stuff of being maybe they got busted for having a joint and then they said hey go and fuck with that that direct-action campaign and we’ll let you off or whatever but you know I’ve seen those kind of people and they come in and they are the ones who were trying to sexually manipulate and violate women and to create that sort of drama so you know too too kind of frame this discussion little bit around the sexuality you know the ideal of sexual Liberation in radical communities and then the sort of shadow of How It’s in some places we can create Anarchy especially like deep in the forest when they’re did say they are far away the system is actually far away and then there’s a lot of you know enforce the fence campaigns that I was involved with there were rapes and molestation and abuse has and there would be the sort of tribalism of the you know bands of Brothers kind of breaking off and fighting the women who were really literally fighting for their lives and fighting for the forest because it’s all that stuff so you’re taking a very bold step from that away from that that more siloed and hostile attitude towards me because you could have really been like who the fuck is his douchey white dude talking about you know all this Liberation stuff and in a part of that is very true but you’ve been you know forgiving and being an open to me and now we’re having this conversation about what’s really going to be me taking the fruits of my heart labor and that the money in my pocket and just handing it over to you handsome amounts to take pic nude pictures of yourself in nature and some sort of exploiting you sexually but I’m also empowering you financially and so and you’ve done some webcamming so how about you take over just tell us about wet what’s X work with looks like from your paradigm you know one Brad like I kind of like have like a load for you know these patriarchal white supremacist capitalist system as Bell hooks so I can call it but in the same breath you know when there’s been times where I like I had to happen so that survival instincts and I had like one guy asked me one time he was like am I the victim or the victimizer and the truth is we’re but you know like I think you have to have a certain amount of street-smart to to be able to like use what naturally you have to like to take it to the next level or to financially take care of yourself and support yourself but you know sex work is the oldest work in the world and is not going anywhere and there have been times where like white douchey man have all we like helps me like maybe pay for like tuition for college shirt and this and that and that and it was very much it felt like a mutual exchange it’s really hard to talk about monetizing or like what your body is worth but I would just always encourage women who are like in this in this fail to like don’t load don’t lie sell yourself you know like take care make sure you’re making enough to take care of yourself first and foremost I think when that’s feeling of like it being a mutual exchange starts to like kind of waiver then that’s when we start talking about like maybe this is more of self harm than it is actual good and that’s up to each person’s own discernment like what feels Mutual for you like how how do you value yourself and then there’s been times when I was camping and people would be like they say the meanest things and get tell me I was charging too much and doing this and doing that and I can be a lot on your self-esteem but I just encourage you to stick to your guns because those people naturally weed themselves out for sure for sure well I’m I’m feeling that I’m feeling that very deeply and you know if I have one sort of claim to I guess my is there’s a there’s a lot of white guilt kind of Shadow behavior in the activists Progressive funeral ft world and green left it kind of world and you know I’ve I guess a lot of people who have that white guilt have strategies of ways to try to minimize the amount of privilege that they have on paper so they’ll you know come up with ways that they are also oppressed and you know I will also be enough for me and I feel like there is some it’s a struggle and it is it’s a real thing and I feel like it’s a it’s an appropriate internal battle to have about like what is my role on this continent what is my role in this hemisphere you know what the going to be in service or am I going to be a parasite on you know all of the indigenous people in the land and I’m trying you don’t go into that struggle and I would say that you know the one thing that that is legitimate about my sort of being able to claim that I have some impressions of my own is that I have that background is like a street-walking sex worker as a minor you know an inn that I had said to be able to so you know I’ve seen some horrific things in Android some things and that doesn’t make me on the level with a lot of other people by any means but we can at least talk about that from a you know from a I can talk about that from a place of humility in place of having been there and Having learned Street smarts in until I understand like exactly you’re talking about is it you know there is well how would you how would you feel about this argument the sort of sick Pro sex work feminist argument that you know what to put it put it briefly as just that well you know if the feminist who are saying that you’re selling out the feminist movement by serving the crude sexual desires of these men do you know I don’t deserve it and and what not there I see. I see the validity in those points but then the counter argument that I I really like is the one where where women who are sex workers have in each type c see things in a feminist Missy will look at what you’re doing with your body like you’re doing something that could probably get you killed or get you injured you working at a factory that’s prostitution to I’m just being sexy and feeling good in my body and yeah I got to do with some Trolls but you know hey at least I’m doing something very sustainable which is making myself you know as long as I’m hydrated I can just squirt all day and make more money yeah go for something interesting to you were talking about like like from a place of like privilege like what is your role in this world and like honestly like I I feel so blessed in my life that I often times Bill even as a woman of color when I look at like the the global Community as a whole like I am in a place of privilege right and so when we talked about like the larger like our larger Community is it our goals to like if you’re in a place of privilege to kind of full other people up with you like a thank you note capitalism kind of has a backwards cuz it’s like oh like the people at the top will give the poor people stuff right but like what if we like all like collectively were like just like uplifting and like helping each other so yeah I had to deal with some Trolls but ultimately it was what privilege we’re giving me the money and they’re for helping me like with myself up right and now I’m in this position where I can do the same thing for other people even though it’s not in the span of sex work anymore you know random thought sorry please preach on I’m riveted in in a very yeah it’s like this is a really really important kind of thumb conversation that probably you don’t hear to have to just sit a regular Starbucks you know thank you for space so how about telling us more about just your connection to Nature your other other aspects of your character and personality that you’re developing and and then really what you what you were if you were a theoretically to receive a lot of financial tributes and tips and donations ultimately through the the project that we’re going to both to get to talkin about in a little bit but I want to definitely just give you time to talk more about the depth of your character and really what your passions are and what what you’re doing with the means that you have and what you would do if you had a sudden influx of really like serious abundance to to take things all to the next level and so we can kind of go on a journey with you and an imaginary thank you thank you for asking so where I feel most and called to be in service to you as I’m I’m bringing yoga to underserved communities I think it’s really interesting that you know we look at the book The Western version of like yoga culture that is supposed to be rooted in like thieves like carbonetic acts of service but often times like it’s just missed the most are the community sit actually are need of these holistic resources the most and I think you know as a woman of color I feel maybe I feel more confident walking into the projects are the ghettos or the hoods and just setting up my yoga mat and doing my thing and seeing who you like stops and talks to me along the way so if I had like an influx of abundance which I will I’m going to call that in right now I would probably invest and buying more yoga mats and yoga props so I can have like my little van and just go around the different projects and get us and hoods and do pop-up yoga and not charge people money for it yeah it’s something that I it’s really interesting to me like how in America we even found the way it’s like monetize off of it like a like a like a yoga practice like me but is this and I understand people have to pay their bills but I feel like for me even with like the bookstore that I work at and I’m a worker owner at is I don’t make the most money but it’s from such a deep place of service I feel like I’m the richest person in the world and I think that mentality that mentality of the abundance has really served me on my journey so if I had an influx of abundant that’s what I would do with it I would invest and my props and maybe buy a van and deck it out hippie style and just drive around to these communities and show love and show gratitude for them and it’s just that interesting to me about the communities that are in need of like the holistic resources the most are often times the ones that have the most like limited access to it and I find that deeply troubling in the starving and I want to be a part of the solution and as a woman of color who feels like they’re in the space of privilege at times I feel like I honestly would be doing a disservice to my soul and this lifetime if I did not take this role on and if I did not take it seriously well I’m giggling and tearing up right now because it’s I just love it so much and can actually I could have this thought came into my mind is this phrase that I hope you will take it and run with it if it if it drives with you because I’ve never heard it before and I don’t know if it’s you know I’m afraid to Google it cuz it’s probably already a huge movement it’s already got books and websites everything but I have never heard these two words together but in this conversation it’s like this is this is what I hope you will claim and an impacted rhysand is the words gorilla yoga or cruelly yogini it sounds like with that van is going to be all about and I know I’ve been a Guerilla Gardener and a gorilla media activist and everybody uses that word kind of tosses it around for different things and guerrilla marketing that’s a book you know it’s a whole the whole I don’t know if I called a movement but it it probably isn’t movement within marketing and I in the book is is a guerrilla tactics is just that the underdog if people aren’t familiar it’s it’s really just the archetype of people who are even America would be considered to be based on guerrilla warfare tactics because they weren’t fighting you know in marching lines and drumming and you know giving away their position they were sniping from the trees and you know we have a proud history anyone who you know worships the flag if that’s your thing you got to be paying homage to Guerrilla tactics so I love what you’re talking about and people do flash Bob yoga stuff like that so you know that if I feel like that’s going to be at least the title of this episode is now going to be gorilla yoga with survival women Jasmine and both of us kind of have like a glove for cryptocurrencies and one of the ideas that have came to my mind is decentralized Yoga right like so you don’t need a studio like you don’t like you don’t need a bank for cryptocurrency beer and yoga studio are you going to go see her right so like yeah I like this I like this movement feel like decentralized most things awesome well okay well I’m getting chills and this is just getting better and better so I will say that yeah if if you don’t mind I’d like to spend a few minutes just kind of bringing you can have to speed Indian people who are listening or going to get the the sort of real-time one of the first now actually kind of relieved through looks into what the what the survival woman project is is now really shaping up to be how the mechanics of it are looking like they’re going to work out and because you were proposition by me you know now it’s been a few months you know have just been kind of dabbling and whether or not I wanted to move forward with this and knowing that it was sort of a a my my Dharma the the focus I want it take to move forward with this is how the survival women modeling project that I feel qualified you know and hello sir. I think we first broke up relationship I’ve ever been we’re going to have a makeup conversation now and cool but yeah so so back to the survival admin thing I would like to just kind of give you the full informed consent overview in and we can get in this moment actually just share thoughts and you can really it’s it’s going to evolve to wear well I’ll just I’ll just take a little take one breast and and try to lay it out as succinctly as if in an elevator doing an elevator picture what is sometimes called stuck in elevator pitch cuz I attempted to go on with these things but I am not going to name names here but they’re there are other modeling Enterprises out there that that I think have done a great job to bring forward the the alt modeling mystique and aesthetic and I and II praise and honour all of the all of the other entrepreneurs in his face and so I’m not going to say that I’m trying to do something better be be if you know anybody down but I will say that I believe the evolution of using Electronic media to to sell and to profit from women’s bodies that it can be done in a way that is a triple bottom line benefit Corporation when when when you know all of that good sort of thumb social impact kind of thinking and and an engineering that from a technical perspective using cryptocurrency what what I’m currently literally in the middle of developing with teams of developers all over the world I’m kind of shopping around bidding projects for different development and design aspects of this but what it comes down to is that I feel that there’s there’s well-established an existing models now for you know for sure there’s something called giveth. IO which is the aetherium Smart contract based way for people to do crowd Source funding to support charitable type of works and projects all over the world for people who are unbanked and who would be marginalized and probably choked out the nonprofit sector and it’s formal sense and so really anybody with the mission and a purpose and a plan can start to connect with these platforms now that cryptocurrency based and get attention and in crowdfunding and they don’t have to do the sketchy Ico SEC kind of taunting route of the lot of people getting in trouble for it just kind of like no deliverables no investing into a future of earnings of a company or any of those those tricky legal traps but you straight up taping people and I think that the the gift economy is really proving itself out and in the Tipping economy is and you would know that an old people and a sex work in history who know people just hit and run you with hundreds of dollars are thousands of dollars as tribute for nothing like they don’t even ask you to do anything or say anything or wear anything or send them your underwear or nothing they just go away I like I like your Vibe I like your style here it is I got to run to work but like take some money in in the crypto world at the the scope of that type of tipping and gifting is is is just astronomical so I’m out there trying to wire together this website framework to create an opportunity for establish models in the high-end you know La modeling industry because they are actually very very accessible very easy and fun to work with very professional mostly and and very open-minded and I’m having great success and and luck and Fortune working with very established model some of them having tens if not hundreds of thousands of followers and social media and all it’s going to take to light this Wildfire match to bring up all of the women of the world I believe you are willing to step into this platform you know the balance that I’m trying to strike here is that if the established models of the world get on board with this platform has some of them already have enthusiastically I might add in for you know very good rates like I’m I’m paying well and and and I’m paying more than the industry standard for very established people and they also gives you know that if if all it takes is for any of them to proudly display their association with his project and that will create what I believe to be an influx of interest and enthusiasm that will very rapidly trickle-down to those people in need women around the world who have a smartphone internet connection but maybe no money and no bank and no way to comply with them whatever the other web platforms are required in a required to do so there’s already a yeah there’s already yogini in Mexico who is going to do her introduction video for this project in Spanish with subtitles and yes I feel like the the the there are other people in crypto who are pushing the limits of sexy and sex work and spankchain is is part of that you know paradigm-shifting crypto camming kind of platform building Frontier that that that New Horizon of the technological shift and and everybody goes if the Arium Geeks man there so there such sweethearts and there’s some of the most endearing men that I have seen you know at least online some of them I’ll be meeting more closely soon but I really feel like that that the 1% that that the Occupy Movement was fighting there’s a new 1% and they’re all crypto anarchists and lot of them are there Libertarians in there Circle calculus which made me cringe for a while but now I see that they need us as much as we need them and some of them are into Ayahuasca and some of them are you know into burning man and stuff like that so I really feel like you know the the frustrated desire of all of these dudes jerking off to porn and not having an authentic and legitimate connection to the women that they were pleasuring themselves to if we give them the opportunity to tip and to support and to connect with whether it’s from camming to what I believe with the survival in Project is going to be mostly G-rated family-friendly stuff works like you know let your imagination do the work like these women are not always going to be you no teasing you teasing your cock you know so I get over it but we’re bored concerned with is that we have we build a brand that is not going to be limited by XXX you know flagging online and not going to have all that just over the top stuff I’ve been there a day that is very tedious and very kind of nerve-wracking to try to have to be compliant with all that stuff so you know what that said my my proposal really now to you and you were one of the first ones again to kind of reinvigorate me on this is that you know I would love to see a transfer of power once I can bootstrap this with my own money that I make literally working in Beverly Hills in Malibu you know working on landscapes for rich clients and take taking that money in living frugally and taking the percentage of that money and put it into hiring models to get us up the ground what it will eventually lead to is a situation where through the blockchain technology the models themselves will be will be facilitating the flow of of capital through this through the platform and then to know the trip like you said ringing other people up and raising other people up to the collective collectivization of well if you know in power and privilege it’s it’s really going to get to a point where I step away almost like Satoshi and say here is the brain work and it’s like you all it’s you it’s you you’re all stitute to run with and to you so you know that’s how I protect myself from being seduced by power and being too you know having a Founder complex and stuff is that you can build a platform and you can with crypto and blockchain walk away from it and let the users really control the destiny of it as a decentralized application and it’s going to start off with a bit of centralization to to get it you know it’s it’s hatching and its wings and out of the nest and so did Bitcoin so did everything else that there is a crucial. Where you have to take on a little bit extra responsibility but but yeah you are definitely one of the you know the keys to the queendom I’m going to just like Hannah be handing them over and and that’s that’s that’s my verbal kind of Mile High verbal white paper kind of reviews how do you get if you can now take over from from where I just left off with that and let me know how you feel about that and and yeah it will we will be creating a lot of fun stuff together and in the process moving forward came to mind as he were speaking for me on for synchronicity I’ve always kind of considered myself to be really intuitive and I remember when I first started learning about cryptocurrencies I wasn’t quite sure like how it would look but I knew that this would be something that would really like set me up for the rest of my life and you know when I first start listening to your podcast and became your friend I never in a million years would think like these two things would like I’ve realized in a way that they are like overlapping so it just feels like and maybe other people can relate to this is. Like even like the sketchy times in your life like they all are like preparing you for like the next step in your journey and that really resonates with me because quite honestly like I haven’t I haven’t done camming in like 2 or 3 years and a lot of things that I share on my social media is just mean literally showing my authentic self and being myself and it’s really interesting like the people here are like kind of gravitate towards me when I am my most authentic self and so I think this is a great opportunity for other women like me who who have followings or you know or are present in in a public way to really use their their voices and there are four Mama Gaia for a bigger purpose you know especially when we talk about ecosexuality being such a hot word right now everybody wants to be in the woods hunting yeah I just think this is like it’s a beautiful ways to combine things that are really dear to my heart and dear to your heart and you need to take care of ourselves with it and sustain ourselves with that and I think everybody is deserving of this like everybody should be able to sustain yourself with what they actually care about versus what they’re supposed to be doing but I think this is a really powerful project band and I’m honored to be working on this with you well well thank you so much it means it means so much to hear you say that and yeah from the from the deepest place in my heart you know I F I wish there was a way to and I think blockchain will ultimately facilitate this where it’s like you know whatever I feel like my misdeeds have been in my mistakes and ways that I’ve wrong people and there’s no there’s definitely I I do not want to be the single point of failure for something and I feel like is it as big as in powerful and as important as everything that you have shared in this conversation which you know I don’t not trying to put myself throw myself to the Wolves as just being the privileged white boy and what not but I will say that you know whatever whatever we’re agreeing on as being truth about the the duty to step up and and B are true authentic sexual cells and serve nature and help to dismantle patriarchy and and all these things you know I guess I’ve said to people before that in this lifetime I can honestly say that you know I have been abused and tortured and molested and raped and oppressed and incarcerated and in a lot of the ways that that women have and I won’t say women of color but I will say that bike in this life I didn’t have the ball games and barbecues that a lot of men take for granted and I didn’t have a lot of the same so I am a I am a gender traitor I don’t consider myself in transition in the enemy way of you know that I and I don’t I don’t have them not no value judgments on that whatsoever but I will say that I really I really do want to have the power Dynamic and the the what are they call it the the the shift of the financial power the the sort of yeah this this Tipping Point of men acknowledging their weaknesses and also being genuine about their help a Cherokee has wounded them and also handing the keys to the kingdom over and letting the women lead and and to some extent where appropriate collectively govern and that let there be a safe form of financial and sexual matriarchy that is going to be necessary for men to kind of ketchup and he’ll Andre wire and really earn public like we we failed with political dominance in sexual dominance sake that there’s no question about that so we need to go in time out and if there’s you no mercy for us as our Doms might you know Grant this effort time to time then we will be given a chance to to rise to the occasion but they’re really does need to be a male ego surrendering and so you know I just want to know put that out there so when haters and people that want to attack me and tell me I’m not qualified as I just want to be like hey look I’m just the messenger you know you can shoot me if you want I got to do it right somebody has to do the work so I think you are amazing for stepping up to the plate and doing the word yeah and you know I think that’s an honest conversation that people need to have Bell hooks off Austin says you know women and men have both been wounded by patriarchy and and as I was walking would like to say time for Democratic womanism hand over the key right on well we definitely touching a lot of synchronicity here and I will say that my I’m trying I will be speaking lesson listening more and there will be more of me just having a sweet smile at being a security guard and a sort of technical sort of them just backing and supporting yeah wait for for women’s voices to be heard and and the Beautiful projects that you are working on to be to be seen and adored and and also break down a lot of that pretty privilege stuff I would love for Elder I mean there will be as many types of diverse body types and facial structures and makeup no makeup hair no hair whatever it’s all really the depth of and I I I believe that we are able to see Beauty Beyond the beauty myth in and we just need to be exposed to a more mmmm the radiance of women in their Crone years and women who are BBW all that stuff is all what we what we yearn for is that diversity and at texture of life in every different body type and every different appropriate age and all that good stuff so yeah let’s sew with all that. Yeah you we really did me a huge favor to like bear with me to 2 to hear all this and I wanted to bow down and bail out a bit and say please do meet us out of this of this podcast with perhaps you know what whatever is on your mind whatever you feel like I’m sharing from from your heart and then if you’d be so kind as to kind of clothes with you with your meditative black girl affirming prayer magic and the podcast women that’s like tactics the kindest rough like they’re their heteronormative monogamous relationships as a distraction I used to work Primal several times to reference like a emotions like jealousy but instead of using the word Prime alumni replace that with the word ego-driven because I think it’s really important to acknowledge because I actually I think being Primal very healthy and a lot of ways and it’s something that we should be more into tapping into you that I’m going to use the word ego and not Primal and I don’t think I could like walk away this without saying bye House of the firming I spell black BLK because I think that the way black is spell and like our culture black kind of like is this unspoken connotation as if black is lacking something but actually black is desorption of all colors that I like Blk and then girl is g i r l a n d white girlfriend name and yeah it’s already been I’m going to invite you to find a comfortable seat once again and to just really begin to focus on those shorter in Hell’s and those longer X house grounding here to this moment with gratitude and love and gratitude for the internet to help us create community that we wouldn’t have if it if it was not for so thank you Ben thank you so much yes we will be in touch very soon and everybody stand by for the forthcoming launch of the survival woman.com spelled w o y let me write that down and I will start it over again it will be it will be one second and today is July 8th today is July 12th and my goal is to have a beta testing version of the website survival woman.com up in the next few weeks and that’s Survival spell normally and women spelled w o m b y a.com so survival and that will be up soon and you will be featured as one of the first and yeah one of the first models on that website and we will have some very fun content going and we will also be yeah eventually hey I think was probably going to happen is that the survival woman will have its own podcast and maybe you will be one of hopefully many hostesses to bring that like I would love to just put your facilitate that that part of the platform as well so I sent it to think about half your debt if you want to be in that kind of role as well so yeah alright well then let’s call it a podcast and we’ll be in touch very soon thank you so much again Jasmine and yeah have a wonderful rest of your gorilla yogini afternoon what’s a good day. Thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Sexual Sovereignty and Relationship Anarchism with Vin Armani TPP163

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In this episode I’m joined again by the illustrious Vin Armani for a discussion on sexual sovereignty and relationship anarchism. We start with an exploration of modern masculinity and our efforts to step into the archetypes of the role models we studied in heroic high-tech science fiction stories. We then explore a wide array of liberatory concepts, strategies, and configurations for ethical sexual freedom.

Vin shares a plethora of deep and profound personal insights from his experience as a white-hat panty-hacking pick-up artist, as a professional gigolo, as a psychedelic journeyer, as a software programmer, a spiritual seeker, and more. We mutually conclude that the intention to love abundantly can truly facilitate exquisitely pleasurable social harmony, though it requires a big and open heart and the skills and ethics of a shamanic healer.

Here is the spoken word psytrance track I produced to help transmit some of Vin’s core wisdom to the dance floor:
https://soundcloud.com/tantrapunk/cryptodelic-vindication

Please visit Vin’s website at http://vinarmani.com/

About Vin:
Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 163 I’m being joined Again by the illustrious Vin Armani of the VIN Armani show and he’s been on this podcast a couple times before we talked about crypto we talked about Tantra and sex work and being a professional Gigolo on TV and all that amazing stuff so please go back in and catch up on those previous episodes to get more of a personal background this time we’re really going to jump into a topic that we kind of thumb began to explore on the last episode which is just shifting gender Dynamics and just really wet decentralisation means on a deeper archetypal and philosophical spiritual level for human consciousness Evolution and a piece of that which you might not care about on crypto Twitter is something that Ben and I have a background in that we share is being in different sectors kind of sexual Shaman professional sexual Shaman doing this deep work which involves things like panty hacking but also involves really highly developed deeply compassionate and conscious sort of spiritual surgery and karmic and charcoal energetic work and all the stuff so because we share that background because we both have sort of embarrassed different ways come to a point where we can engage with our love of the feminine in the embodied form of what I call lowercase G goddesses and we can serve them we can be served by then we can develop and design very harmonious beneficial symbiotic sexual emotional and even Financial Dynamics and that that is a level of graduation for the evolution of Mexico and Consciousness that doesn’t get shared a lot of places and they’re there for there’s a lot of people who are extremely sexually frustrated who are in relationships that are either dead ends or just have died sexually or energetically and so what what we’re trying to what we both represent and we’re not the only ones in the world but it’s just it’s a small percentage I think we’re actually really able to make a beautiful canvas out of their sexuality in the world and in really be hopefully ethical role models for ways to open up relationships and to decentralize what else I would I would like to say is this is were talking about we’re going to talk about sexual relationship anarchism sexual sovereignty and decolonizing and decentralized in your bedroom and that is that’s where I think you know what your book helps to understand so there’s a lot of stuff I want a I want a dress from Dallas a gigolo at your very important very seminal work on this stuff and yeah with that long and show out of the way then how are you doing man what’s been going on you’ve been doing a lot of amazing stuff and let’s get get caught up a great intro and what a great topic to delve into I’ve I’ve actually been if it’s funny because I’m still at in on in a couple of days I’m going to be giving a talk at porcfest that is about these topics of decentralization and really liked you know you and I have had conversations about this move from the the patriarchy but we’re talking about I mean we’re talking about this the masculine dominant energy of centralized hierarchical authority authority based structures that have sort of at least for the last five thousand years than the. means of human organization on a large scale in and we’re moving whether we like it or not into a decentralized model it’s one of the reasons why I why I am so heavily involved with with crypto and why it’s so attractive to me but a lot of people of course I am a Tech head but it really is because I do see this decentralisation as a move toward if it’s the shift right into them it’s the it’s the emergent mother it’s the emergent matriarchy that always comes just as the patriarchy emerge from out of but when we were in a in a much different situation and you know you had the mother goddess cold since there was the positive and the negative and I think starting to talk about this starting to go back in and to try to embrace those Traditions that have lasted for that long is really really important it’s I think people not understanding that we’re in the middle of it gift is really creating a lot of angst it’s it’s creating a lot of fear in people and that fear is turning very very toxic as we’re seeing especially around sexuality and so it’s I’m trying to introduce these concept but I have to tell you that our culture is so not ready to have like to sit down and have a mature discussion about sexuality and about relationships that when it comes to sexuality I’m glad that you’re presenting this for him because I almost feel like that’s got to be the starting point in some ways because that’s the place that we can actually as you say that we can actually Manifest this shift in our own lives and to sort of a tune ourselves to that shift and in that way it’s going to make it much easier as this shift happens on a on a grand scale so those people were ready to evolve in that way that it’s really going to be much easier for them so I don’t you know I’m putting together these talks and I’m trying to present these things but I’m really grateful to to be here because it helps me ever so much it’s there’s not a lot of people that are able to to have this conversation that we’re about to have so I’m I’m really honored thank you for having me absolutely man it is a total Mutual honor and pleasure and yeah we got it we’re going to have a lot of fun this is going to be we’re going to break some taboos and gets into some really fun and really deep material and I just can’t wait I’ve been I’ve been looking forward to this for so long in the synchronicities have been piling up and just sort of yeah little little hints and little arrows and little insights coming through to try to join this conversation and to get a little bit of mimetic juice if you will too kind of gets you know it’s the hatchlings if some some the medical material that’s got Wings you know and some some it’s got some teeth and got some talents to know so yeah so this is where I want to get a little bit with you on the the science that philosophy to sort of taxes of medic engineering and applying this term to rather than being sort of a keyboard Warrior or engaging in memetic Warfare on the front lines of really well now the internet but just the head unit used to be and I know you’ve sure this about your past is it a peace rally participant if not priests protester but before the internet gave us the power to to actually in a much more rapid in and free an almost infinite Manor give us the ability to express ourselves and to cultivate and share and propagate memes through that Vector of changing culture which is the internet and all of its rapidly evolving forms before that you know you would be shouting and mega phones at cars that were fucking like trying to run you over absolutely so we have so much at her fingertips literally and so the mature sort of Jedi Ninja mimetic Warrior I think what you’re doing is moving into more of a higher leverage position and being an engineer from a laboratory as opposed to a street protesting occupying just right in the meat grinder within Arm’s Reach of the law at all times just ready to be thrown into by the indirect cups of whatever it’s like no we can have a little bit more leverage and mature nuanced approach to the memetic Warfare from a higher point of Leverage and so yeah do you want you definitely are hacking the attic space in really really amazing ways and I like to give some some time for you to just to bring us up to speed with coin text and the coingeek conference and so people can understand the level that you’re operating on because it is a rarefied and in very in a good way I think Elite highly earn Elite Serta position to be talking the fighting the good fight so much of the gigolo is the about the concept of value you know the metaphysics of value and that was something that working as an escort but myself but also being around that community of people especially at the high-end you you are playing with the Notions of value constantly and they are at the most bass and raw levels there’s not a lot of games on top of of anything right everything strip the way clearly at literally and figuratively right it’s a very intimate scenario and so you see what it is that people Truly find valuable and you know in that exchanges of course you have the financial exchange there and having having the state as an intermediary always for me there if there was an energetic drain in that way that this is something this exchange of value on on that intimate level is something that the state should not be involved in and how do we grow and how did things change if the state is not involved in that and every other voluntary interaction and so you know Bitcoin from the beginning has been important to me it was it was as an escort and being in an all-cash business that that became that Bitcoin you know came onto my radar and then became something that I was fascinated by it first and then absolutely obsessed with as the years went on and so you know now we are actually just this week finishing up a the adventure Capital seed round of funding for coin tax which we had only launched our public beta in March and you know we’ve at while it has caught on and while we’ve been approached by a lot of people in the crypto space we we really you know we are entrepreneurs ourselves and we’re certainly Anarchist the three founders and so you know we were we had been approached by a lot of people and it was a very interesting process to go through of navigating the people who wanted to be involved and navigating that sort of capitalist Maze and really going into it with Open Hearts we ended up being able to find actually a group of individuals who were totally ideologically aligned with us and who also happen to have the capital but who’s who their truest desire was to see the vision that we have moving forward and that is to be able to affect the most amount of people to remove State violence from people’s lives to empower people with the people’s money and to allow value all kinds of value to travel all over the world because you know I do believe that there is so much value locked within certain populations that you know of it maybe if you’re an anthropologist you can go out and and you know find these individuals but I mean my experiences with Ayahuasca told me that and you know that even asking her asking Ayahuasca like what is it that you want and she zoomed me into the Amazon and was like I’m here and and I want out like this is I’m the reason why these people stop here in this dangerous place in like I’m the reason why they stayed in and I nurtured them and and now I want out to the world and it’s the same with iboga and it’s like I was like I know that there is so much more of that but until we’re able to move value until I’m able to move the value that I have to you know a shipibo Indian without without the imposition of the state which is so far behind then we’re not truly going to be able to unlock everything so so this is what we’re trying to to Move Along on this is what I’m dedicated toward but it’s so much more than just like you know being a techie for me this is really all about that question of value and it’s a very you know this this whole thing is it’s a trip for me as a very spiritual experience for me and it’s very you know cryptocurrency when he really sit down and start to understand it is incredibly psychedelic it’s super psychedelic like it’s it’s definitely coming from out of another dimension and so I’m I’m trying to bring these things these things that I’ve learned in the past decade I’m trying to bring them into this this entire experience in this entire Adventure but yeah that’s so so that’s what it is for me it’s about trying to find a way that we can exchange value much much more easily and that we can go get off this planet hopefully as a as a peaceful and Cooperative at least a more peaceful and more Cooperative species rather than having to make a mad dash off because we messed things up well I get I have had to take some chilling deep breaths and almost tear-jerking response to the beauty of the way you just described the will of the essence of Gaia Gaia mama I all these beautiful ways of attributing person head to the to the mystery of the goddess and creation and all this wonderful energy and n and really think of it is that this is exactly what turns McKenna said is that the internet the internet is the guy mine is very stubborn and it’s it’s the guys who were programming stuff have hair down to their ass and they’re all acids and this it’s no it’s really it’s an immune response these things epigenetic immune response to it to an alien invasion of the soul of human beings on Earth because we’ve been locked in their egos and patriarchy is sort of locked out that that energy and so she is back and she’s mad and she’s coming back with a vengeance but it’s like so I’d like you said in a recent episode this is a peaceful this is a bloodless coup of patriarchy and it is really a chopping the head off of the patriarchy with graceful tools that that really are going to I mean I didn’t believe it would be possible to have this this peaceful of a shift of power and a redistribution of wealth that wasn’t through it a sort of what you call crypto crypto fascist Communist dictatorship like this is happening with just the just the right it’s the light side of the force man absolutely 100% And I love it I love the way you express that and I love that this is that it’s the Practical applications that are going to enable people to express their value and began Cinepolis says you know the everyone can use cryptocurrency is it like basically a form of expression a form of of language oh yes so everybody said this is it just so great so please everybody listen to this check out Queen text. Io if that’s correct right now and start using SMS based cryptocurrency Bitcoin cash in probably others to be added is that part of your world map to or you disclose that or do you have five minutes? Or yeah it’s it’s it’s an interesting space to navigate and I’m it’s it’s so close to religion this space and I myself found myself even and you know the queen key conference in Hong Kong it’s it’s very alluring it’s a very alluring 2 to to start circling around to Totem if you will as and we can get into that place you know we can get into that place but I’m I’m esoteric by nature and I’m self-conscious by nature and I don’t want to be limited in what I can explore and so you know working with these tools and working with really each one of these blockchains as their own as their own entity almost like a god that rhyme with the godhead for sure and so I don’t this isn’t what an opportunity to explore and for me I just don’t think that I’m let’s just say I’ve already written some stuff and it’s an experiment it and there are some prototypes out there that are not just on bitcoin cash I do believe that a variant of Bitcoin is is how this is going to happen just because Bitcoin the soul of Satoshi Nakamoto and that’s a very very important it’s regardless of who it is the fact that this individual I mean this individual is going to be remembered in of a mark my words in very much of vein of a Jesus in very much of vein of a Muhammad or a Buddha this is somebody who really brought something down from out of somewhere else and left this beautiful gift for us to to all start to explore and so now they’re so there’s a lot to explore you know I just got to throw in my theory is that Satoshi is the dolphin cyborg from the Johnny Mnemonic film as he thought for a while that and it is it is very obviously it’s the McKenna influence but I thought to myself that if there was to go to another William Gibson there was a wintermute and AI that had already evolved the Consciousness and was hiding out in the internet it most certainly would not reveal itself out right and risk you know being shut down or having people pull off of the internet because it’s using all of us to learn and to gain more Consciousness but I could see it in 2009 of having done the math and said well you know I bet I could create this what could I create that would get them to throw endless amounts of will hash power endless amounts of processing power and all of this and connect all of them and give me all of the information about how they’re moving things around and really really plug and pull everybody in who’s to say that Satoshi Nakamoto isn’t the AI you know who’s to say I think if there was a winter me that that’s exact the type of thing that it would have done is right the Bitcoin whitepaper throw up Bitcoin talk.com and and maybe even start you know doing some of the mining itself you know it’s at I think if we never find out who’s Satoshi Nakamoto is I think that’s as good of a theory is everything because if anything is going to bring the full blast AI it’s going to be cryptocurrency absolutely absofuckinglutly in that is interesting Theory I’ve never heard that proposed then actually makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons and honestly for me I’m I’m game for anything because how in the fucking hell in the modern world can there be literally no trace and no footprint that the NSA that none of the intelligence agencies in the world don’t that’s that just to me it it it breaks reality it’s almost like when you’re watching a Sci-Fi and it’s like a man they had to get all they threw in a pot to his that is not congruent with our reality and there it’s like less believable but this is fucking real stained they are not a bribe nobody could bribe every person qualified in the world to follow these steps and even do things I could have caused style Ugg Style style ography or something is that guy about the writing the right exactly I mean there’s going to be an AI bot that creates a list of contestants for The Satoshi title in everything you do something but I looked at the white paper and it a number of times it says we an hour or so that already gives away there’s a collectivities going on and then there’s a Australian and English variation of the spelling of the word I believe favorite one of those words where it has only has an extra you if you’re writing from that from that and he and he also used the term in not in the white paper but in several Communications on the forums and an emails he use the term Max plural which only Australian and British do as opposed to Matt which is what you know there’s another another confirmation if everything is up for grabs this is the most mimetically malleable time it’s like the sun is melting all the means and letting us to completely shave them however we so desire and so that’s yes so cool getting getting now we’re sort of just going with the flow and and Anna and I want to I want to bring up another archetype almost like a guided meditation here but about the to put into context this is really a a everything that you’re doing is a call to action to bring people up to their highest most heroic potential in whatever field and spear there in You Know Jack spearco is very good at that bringing out the absolute most authentic and truest Divine masculine Gardner Warrior developer all the above but really this is the point it’s like what does it take to get to motivate people to really Seize the Day Carpe Diem and so you know the putting the stuff in that context of a of a thriller of the sci-fi thriller that is actually happening and so please please get involved and be a part of making history right now anybody can do is and take to help put in contacts into invigorate things I want to bring up that archetype it that is that of the the running Victor limited view of the scientific or the Sci-Fi future that we saw in that movie running man with Arnold Schwarzenegger and that it’s a corporate fascist media dictatorship in the future and there’s this game shows where people are used as fodder to die with all these professional basically Gladiator type killers that goes sport sport of manner that go in the hunt down based on a Stephen King short story and the thing was called the Bachman books he had like a side pain mean when he wrote The Running Man yeah and it’s really good is totally different and it’s it’s very Eco dystopic they get into a lot of ecological things and are the same similar storyline of it being a sort of corporate fashion future and where they’re basically taking criminals and using them as fodder for for these murderous sportive TV game shows so it’s it’s a real deeper take if anybody is not watch that and to me it was one of the things I was probably once a week almost you know growing up it was so so instrumental in my development of a critique of Empire critique of no media monopolies and and just to prepare and the train for a future of centralization hyper-sexualization the point I want to make about that to frame you know who are the starting point for more more discourse is that be the the passionate sort of real deep punchline of the whole story was where it’s revealed that the tech nerd amongst the three sort of Psych band of escapee prisoner escape he’s a tall frame by the government basically the Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jessica Soto and I don’t know the name of the did actor named a guy twice but basically they together or in this game show they’re running for their lives and ostensibly if they survive all these Gladiator attacks and they will be exonerated and get to live in Paradise in half women in bikinis all over them but that’s a whole lie and basic either going to get killed one way or another so they’re just trying to hack their way out to save their lives and to escape again from the tyranny of the state and but the deeper subjects is at Arnold Schwarzenegger is this sort of he is a c wants to be a survival as he does want to be involved in politics and and he’s he’s the skeptic basically of the Revolutionary cabal that’s trying to liberate Humanity through hacking and this is the cool punchline that bit the thing that is so relevant here is that in their version of the future in a centralized future the hacker would have to hack the Uplink code so they could Jam the network and broadcast the truth and Dweezil Zappa on that revolutionary cabal and they had to sort of Elder guy who wrote hippie folk songs and they Vape they put together all these archetypes like the the modern futuristic insurrectionary people and the sort of Elder psychedelic class of Engineers and stuff and so we’re really there now I’m in the sixties people raging and but they’re in eldership class and then we have new fucking Ninja Warrior hackers who were fighting for The Liberation and so now that jamming up the attacking Upland code jamming the network is broadcasting the truth that’s what I’ve been Armani show is without all of the gun violence and we’re there and we’re doing that and so with that in mind how do you feel about this opportunity is the opportunities that are available to us having that desire to liberate Humanity pretty much open the door to that with with your whole thesis before but I just want to see if you what your thoughts are on that those archetypes and how when we fast forward to the present moment we’re playing out those rolls what is so interesting about it as I look at it you know I I started doing the show will basically I just started doing some rants on YouTube kind of and that was when the the guys that activist post reached out to me and and had said he listening this Mutual following I’ve been following the stories that they have been doing and reposting them and I guess I got on the radar that way and then there were like listening to these Rance like non-stop just on a loop that you’ve been doing it like would you do a do a podcast and we talked about like what could the shell look like in all of this in the interesting part about it was that all of us it was never about this whole thing has never been about like getting views or likes or that it would the wonderful thing about it is that of all the of the people involved it’s only ever been about like let’s just broadcast the signal just broadcast a signal and whatever we do just every week keep broadcasting the signal and who cares the interesting thing about it is that it’s like the equality of people checking out the content is so high the people who reach out to me and I’m like wow you listen if it’s been very very interesting and for me that’s exactly where I want it to be because I I don’t think that the Revolutionary message that’s out there people who are wanting to put out a message you’re you’re doing the exact same thing it’s not going to be anything that at least for up a portion of. Of time that anybody is going to dust it’s going to blow up into the cultural Consciousness because quite honestly like the culture is just not ready and in many ways you start to sacrifice and change I mean I saw that with with being on Gigolos for all those years you know which was a cult classic and really it. It’s just got a cult following to the point where they still just play reruns in the normal slot on every Thursday on Showtime still at people are obsessed with it and it’s the reason why is because they still don’t get it watch an episode the same episode 10 15 20 times and still know that even in the show that there are all of these layers like okay first it’s a buddy comedy and it’s a scintillating and exciting and there’s nudity and then it’s like you go down the road hole in your like wait know there’s another layer there’s another layer there’s another layer to this narrative and and that’s so important what I see so many people doing though is like they people want to be hurt right that’s a natural human instinct and it’s a good human instincts but the question is like do you want to be heard or do you want you to be heard they’re two different two different concepts two different concepts because there are a lot of things that you can do to get attention in the world in which we live and it goes straight to that running man thing straight to this idea of yeah you can take it to the next level of spectacle you can you can put yourself on display and take it to the next level of spectacle and you will get attention but in due in so doing you will also be destroyed because that’s the next story of that’s the next part of that narrative it’s you’re going to be lifted up and then you’re going to necessarily have to be destroyed because it’s not you it’s not you like once you have exhausted that rule that you’re playing it’s time for that role to be recycled just like the Running Man like they’re going to send the goons in metaphorically it’s not a person doing it it’s just the Zeitgeist doing it but it’s like okay we’re bored with you we’re bored we’ve seen everything that this one-dimensional character has an end then you have to take it up to a level where it’s like no you took it to a level 2 far time to destroy you time to throw you into the garbage bin and started but that won’t happen if you are on a quest and you’re on your own personal journey of Enlightenment and you’re truly trying to expand your Consciousness and what you’re doing is kind of a travel diary and that’s how that’s how I view my show I see you when I listen to your show like that’s what you’re doing as well is that it’s it’s your on a journey here’s the travel diary here’s the sort of path that I’ve taken and if people want want to start walking down that path they can but there’s no end to that there’s no reason for you to ever be recycled and so it’s it’s it’s stays and it remains fresh and you know sometimes something Peaks his head above the parapet and you don’t like Jordan Peterson’s a great example right now somebody that you know I support caught onto pretty early on had him on my show at a time when he wasn’t this gigantic selling out stadiums and what not your message necessarily changes when you got to play to the the a lower common denominator and you can’t just stay at the at the the the peak and the edge and never have to necessarily repeat yourself to always be striving to do something new it’s hard to do when you’re when you’re you know when you’re trying to play to to an audience in and get them caught up to speed but you know so that’s that’s really that’s really what I think that’s the signal signal as a signal is who are you who are you like asked a question and then try to articulate it like embody really embody it and try to articulate it in a way that it’s a search in and of itself and I think that the the people who do that are giving so much value to the world and there are so many people doing it you know not as many people as the people who are just out there looking for attention but I think that’s just the overall communication is trying to evolve you know that the the parts of us that are doing that have to move forward as an example to others absolutely. I totally agree and I’m seeing this kind of visually the third eye perspective that the way to be I mean I’m I’ve made a shift in my Consciousness in the last few years to where I said I would love to remain underground underground relative to the mainstream level of exposure for anything is The Sweet Spot to be in you know if you could be financially successful and do your magic and be a wizard and be be like a ninja that disappears and proves in a cloud of smoke and have that leverage and be able to walk amongst the masses and not tempt that seductive power to want to you know it’s it’s if it’s a trap and it’s it’s it’s actually I mean you’ve been you know you’ve been an in those environments where ego is reign supreme and the sort of backbiting and the one-upmanship and all the stuff like I have no really I think that this budic that’s beautiful architect that you’re playing out is to actually create technology that is grows it’s only medic wings and flies and is like very stealthily moving through and you were out there and your public in your ear in your extreme and true presentation of yourself but you’re not trying to be the leader you’re not trying to be the one who is going to be judged for all of your actions and to have to hold that sort of character position which is it like you said you could destroy it and it’s the downfall of a lot of people in crypto press even I mean it’s like you say one thing wrong on Twitter or you know you could lose half your following or you could have a major backlash and everybody’s fired from the hit man I mean what happened to speech writers what happened to teleprompters man if you’re doing your thing live so even that is like a to me I I salute you and Emma bow down to that but yeah this is a and I know you know you’ve been you’ve been having friction online to Summit in some spheres that we don’t need to get into but it is such a delicate dance of IQ psychic you do the keto with all the controls and all that stuff so I applaud you for doing that in for also reforming that that would this is so much about what we’re going to get into the real deep subject here which is how to not be consumed with narcissism and jealousy and greed and power hunger and to be able to really distribute yourself across a network of lovers Distributors cough across the network of Technology developers and I liked it will move forward into some of these topics the sexy reduce your stuff I really appreciate this is this this is the stuff that I was made of these every time I was a kid and over all of the time of my childhood before puberty I wanted to be a Commando Warriors all the predator and fight evil aliens and having Brotherhood and camaraderie and and having cyber and sci-fi all that stuff to do to be able to dork out on that level with you is a real treasure and it really thinks we’re going to get into the grown up space and put on her all that stuff and yeah so there’s a there’s a few a few sort of one-liners that kind of want to share and have you riff off like we’re jamming you know on these ideas and we talkin about what kind of ships have to happen in Consciousness to not be a tool of a paradigm that you did not design and that you did not develop right and to get some steps and leverage out of there so I just today I was outside gardening and Lisa few lines came to me that I think you will resonate with and kind of help us to break free from being in in what we’re going to talk about which is a very closed closed Source proprietary monopolistic centralized marriage dyad of sex and relating that serves the state first and foremost and God if you want to be religious about it but we got God and the state in that collusion of religion and we’ll get there but I just want to say that to to get us going and say these words came to me be a power user or be used by power be a program or be programmed to develop or be developed and ya know that’s what I mean this is a this is in everything in everything because we are a tool and a symbol making we’re to making species right symbols are tools but they live inside of us as well right so we manifest these symbols at as as tools and then we there’s this feedback loop of new symbols being created by the tools that we create and then this is how we move forward so you’re either part of the willingly part of the creative process or you are you might say you’re a cog in the wheel and we’re all a little bit of both but it’s it’s that’s really where awareness comes in so that’s really where the the self self-consciousness and self-awareness self-consciousness in a good way right not like the type of self-consciousness that that that paralyzes you self-awareness to say oh I am manifesting regardless regardless of whether I’m aware or not regardless of whether I’m taking action or not I am participating in this creative process and so many people are you never a spectator but so many people are are content to wait for something to to come toward them and so many people are unhappy with what it is that comes at them and so then all they can do is have a level of angst and certainly really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have a people power and the skill sets and what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performers have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

The Future of Crypto-Anarchy and Techno-Shamanism with Vin Armani TPP141

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In this episode I’m joined once again by the illustrious crypto savage and pro gigolo extraordinaire Vin Armani. In the year since our first conversation about hacking the sex industry as a sacred sex worker and initiated tantric shaman, I’ve devoted myself to studying his path (best outlined in his book Tao of the Gigolo) and tuning into his weekly live show.

For years I had been a fan of the crypto movement but wasn’t  directly involved. The powerful insight and urgency that Vin provides motivated me to finally begin to participate, and for that I owe him my deepest gratitude. I’ve done my best to rapidly accelerate my crypto studies to prepare for this epic exploration with Vin into the cypherpunk and crypto anarchist roots of Bitcoin.

We go over both the Crypto Anarchist Manifesto and A Cypherpunk’s Manifesto to set the table for a discourse on psychedelics, techno-shamanism, sci-fi hero archetypes, bitcoin politics, and visionary futurism.

As a long-time hacker, computer programmer, and web developer, Vin has been perfectly positioned to disrupt not only legacy banking systems, but also the cryptocurrency industry itself with his radically elegant SMS based Bitcoin Cash solution CoinText.io As founder, CTO, and lead developer, Vin explains how he plans to launch and roll out this project world-wide.

We discuss the roles he intends to play by officially joining the Free State Project in New Hampshire in the coming weeks. In addition to his crypto leadership,  he’ll be bringing years of experience in the Las Vegas escort industry and his notoriety from starring in the Showtime reality show Gigolos to the politics of sexual freedom in what we affectionately refer to as “Love Free Or Die” state.

We close with many hopeful and optimistic predictions for a successful return to ecological harmony on earth and for responsible galactic exploration as the human technological adventure continues to unfold in space-time.

Please visit Vin’s website at http://vinarmani.com/

And enjoy his mixes at: https://soundcloud.com/vinarmani

About Vin:
Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 141 I’m being joined Again by the illustrious Vin Armani who we spoke almost August about a year ago before talking about being a pro Gigolo and hacking the sex industry event has been a prominent figure in mainstream entertainment media is one of the stars of the Gigolos Showtime reality ducky drama series that was on for about six years and also the author of an amazing book called out of the gigolo which if you read LG kundo and your Bruce Lee fan or a fan of just the spiritual Arts the martial arts you really need to immerse yourself into this Treatise on the Living Arts which who better than from a man who is achieved so much success with an ethical and moral high standard of success what every boy and man dreams to achieve which is really truly not the conquest of women but the integration of the beauty of women deeper level and this is a man who truly loves women so men women parents please Avail yourself of that book. Of The Gigolo I eventually we’ll probably just have boxes of it in my trunk catches pass it out because this is something I wish I had read and that I had access to when I was just becoming a man and I will say that you know the best thing I could say as a word as words of praise for van is just that you bring it all together man you are seriously an authentic you were walking the path of a of a super heroic archetype and it Blends inflows and is resonant with all of your endeavors that I am you know that I’m aware of that I’m watching and it’s like it makes me think a lot about growing up in and having these amazing powers full sci-fi spiritual Warrior Heroes on the Silver Screen you know and they really built me all of those stories to Philip K dick the the William Gibson all of the mythologies were played out what he’s been missing characters but I didn’t feel like they ever really carry that through to the real life and they were representing those politics of Liberation in the real lives but you were someone who does that and it’s just a thrill so really anybody listening please we have a a a champion of some really amazing powerful and beautiful causes and you know us not to put you on a pedestal or make you seem to be perfect or without any flies but it is just an omage and so yeah with that said we kind of did yeah we kind of got your back on your personal history in the last episode so so we’re going to just jump right into the topic which is broadly we’re going to look into crypto Anarchist philosophy as I have got more into crypto thanks to you and Jack spearco first and foremost thank you so much for that and yeah just to give you it to balance it out to give you some space before we get into this these Seminole text of the crypto Anarchist Manifesto and the cypherpunk manifesto you wanted to check in with this tell us what’s up and how you doing and how you’re sure will first off I want to say thank you very much for that that intro of course you know my mind my own ego I’ve I’ve it’s really been a a journey for me to put aside my own ego over the past decade for sure but I have to tell you that those same influences that influence you were the ones that influenced me and it’s funny that the author is in the books that you that you listed off even there in the intro I was like yep yep yep of those are at those were all massive influences on me and I guess I just never thought that it could that I couldn’t use those as examples in that I am that I couldn’t live that sort of life and always I guess maybe I I’m pretty. I’m pretty tough on myself for better or worse but I always thought those were always the archetypes that I wanted to live up to an end truly embody and so I’m trying man I’m trying but I will tell you that every step that I have taken where I’ve done what was right as I posted according to those archetypes in according to those examples when I’ve done what was what was right even if it even if it was something that was outlandish and and that maybe people said was unrealistic every single time it is paid off for me so if I can just continue to you no share that message with people whenever someone approaches me or contact me from afar and says that something that I’ve done just by living by example has made a difference in their life that totally makes it worth it for me on on every next step and I have so many next step so I mean I think we’re going to talk about the things that I’m getting into now but they definitely do feel the weirdest part about it is that the things that I’m doing now in cryptocurrency in and sort of the libertarian sphere although I think that’s a box that I’m not really ready to fully put my selfie and although I do use the vocabulary just because it’s a dick sometimes it’s expedient and because that is a certain I guess perhaps audience that that could be receptive I think they were talking about something much much deeper here and certainly where I’m coming from is I am trying to be on that hero’s journey while I’m still on this Earth and so if it does All Steel although you know you’re moving from a gigolo to do cryptocurrency to I you know it’s speaking at the libertarian conferences around the world at the Met to some people seem like wow that’s kind of a jump It’s been a a very very smooth and clean and genuine movement of gross for me in moving through those fears and so you know I I bring with me all of the lessons that I indoc you know when those past years and and bring it through in it and now it does feel like things are really coming full circle in and I’m ready to really really manifest some things in the world that’s kind of the reason why I snap to it to to to invite you back on is because I do believe and we are going to get into this that the killer app that we’ve all been waiting for in crypto is quaint extend for a lot of reasons him and so you know one of the things I definitely want to get into probably around the middle of this talk is just something to even kind of put in the the subconscious realm right now for to Tucanes to honest at you I believe are going to be one of the next Eric Vorhees archetypes of hi Sue for hundreds of millions of dollars of valuation in your Enterprises and your your personal wealth and what Vin Armani can and will do with the blue sky budget to turn this world upside down for the better is the most exciting thing on the horizon I know about Soha preciate that I think that’s one thing I have not I haven’t you don’t we’re all so deep in the trenches of of current events and what the the potential Hazard of the crypto movement and all of these sort of event Horizons right and you were one who has the craft dialed in to be able to actually make the sort of global vision boar you can actually turn people into a harmonized vision and and I really would love to hear we’ll get to it you know what love to hear see that canvas of what you see as being possible if and when you achieve that level of of thumb of influence and that level of of wealth to be able to actually roll things out on just almost infinite scale and have them all kind of bootstrap each other so that’s not that’s a that’s a good topic I’d hate to jinx it but I would certainly love talking about Vision whether it’s me or whether it’s someone else I think that to articulate a vision you know when if it’s not me and it’s someone else listening that’s that’s just as good cuz for me it really doesn’t matter who it is because I’m about the vision it’s it’s not it doesn’t have to be me at all smart not hard leverage it get other people to chime in and make things execute you note to a greater picture for sure and yeah awesome cool right so now back to the sort of nuts and bolts of this to really I feel like every time I hear about another high-level government official from law enforcement to regulatory lot riding abandoned their posts with the government to join a crypto Consortium or a blockchain Consortium it’s just a call of the anarchists martyrs are are just cheering in their graves to know that you know the black flag of all of the battles for territory and for sovereignty that have been fought and in lost quite frankly to the tyranny of of physical violence by the state of the material plane we finally through the Ethereal realm of digital technology actually been able to advance and to a point where they’re deserting their posts to join what is the truth machine that you can’t take the truth out of the truth machine it isn’t you know it’s you got to get the truth and the truth started in this movement with the crypto Anarchist Manifesto and I’m going to go ahead and get a kick ass off with that to just chew on for many or so these this is just straight out of the what we’re talking about the Sci-Fi that this is why it’s a feeling to be and white Wi-Fi I’m bummed that it took me so long to discover this but here goes this is sort of the whole kind of fun copy from the cypherpunks mailing lists all star from the top with including the head of the email so from TC met at NETCOM. Com Timothy seemed a subject the crypto Anarchist Manifesto date Sunday November 22nd 1992 cypherpunks of the world several of you at the physical cypherpunks Gathering yesterday and Silicon Valley requested that more of the material passed out in meetings be available electronically to the entire leadership of the cypherpunks list Spooks eavesdroppers and all gold here’s the crypto Anarchist Manifesto I rid of the September 1992 found a meeting it dates back to bid 1988 and was distributed by some like-minded techno anarchists at the crypto 88 conference and then again at the hackers conference that year I later gave talks at hackers on this in 1989 and 1990 are a few things I changed but for historical reasons I’ll just leave it as it is some of the terms may be unfamiliar to you I hope the crypto glossary I distributed will help this should explain all those cryptic rooms in my signature Tim May here goes the crypto Anarchist Manifesto A specter is haunting the modern world the Specter of crypto Anarchy computer technology is on the verge of providing the ability for individuals and groups to communicate and interact with each other in a totally Anonymous manner two persons May exchange messages conduct business and negotiate electronic contracts without ever knowing the true name or legal identity of the other interactions over networks will be untraceable by extensive rerouting of encrypted packets and tamper-proof boxes which Implement cryptographic calls with nearly perfect Assurance against any tampering reputations will be of central importance far more important in dealings than even the credit ratings of today these developments will alter complete me the nature of government regulation is the ability to tax and control economic interactions the ability to keep information secret and will even alter the nature of trust and reputation the technology for this Revolution and it surely will be both a social and economic revolution has existed in theory for the past decade the methods are based upon public key encryption zero-knowledge interactive proof system and various software protocols for interaction authentication and verification the focus has until now been on academic conferences in Europe and the US conference is monitored closely by the National Security Agency but only recently have computer networks and personal computers that team sufficient speed to make the ideas practically realizable and the next 10 years will bring enough additional speed to make the ideas economically feasible and essentially Unstoppable high-speed networks is DM tamper-proof boxes smartcard satellite scoob and transmitters multi M IPS personal computers and encryption chips now under development will be some of the enabling Technologies the state will of course try to slow or halt the spread of this technology citing National Security concerns use of the technology by drug dealers in tax evaders tears of societal disintegration many of these concerns will be valid crypto Anarchy will allow National secrets to be traded freely and will allow Alyssa and stolen materials to be traded an anonymous computerized Market won’t even make possible Everett markets for assassinations and extortion various criminal and foreign elements will be active users of cryptonet but this will not halt the spread of Crypt of Anarchy just as a technology printing altered and reduce the power of medieval guilds and the Social Power structure SO2 will cryptologic methods fundamentally alter the nature of Corporations and of government interference in economic transactions combined with emerging information markets crypto Anarchy will create a liquid market for any and all material which can be put into words and pictures and just as a seemingly minor invention like barbed wire made possible the fencing off of vast ranches and Farms dust altering forever the concept of land and property rights in the frontier West so too will the seemingly minor discovery of an Arcane branch of mathematics come to be the wire clippers which this man the barbed wire around intellectual property arrives you have nothing to lose but your barbed wire fence is the aspect of that that is I think the most profound is how incredibly accurate it’s almost as though a time traveler I mean think about it you go through an every single thing does not want word that isn’t that hasn’t come to fruition every single thing and not only that in chronological order right and it’s so you know you start to wonder in this is you know I joke about I do this hashtag vinster Damas right that it’s like it’s getting to be a joke that like I’ll say something on my show which is one of the reasons why I like having a show is because I can say things and then like 3 months later it happens but it’s not a betting Market a crippled chain things that I’m doing but it’s because when you’ve studied enough about particularly about how individual humans behave and then you get a little bit of history and a little bit of Economics you don’t have to have much but like I’m a history buff and I love studying economics and I you know either I embody sort of the all the traits of psychotherapy particularly as being at you know in my time as an escort it’s like you get to be like down in the trenches really learning what motivates people and particularly what keeps people coming back to talk to you right to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to talk to you you start also learned a lot about yourself in your own motivation I think what’s the deepest aspect of that is it when you have the technology and you see okay here’s this technology and it’s now been placed into the wild even a little bit then you can do a logical progression because there’s really nothing new Under the Sun we might think you know what I love that the analogy of the barbed wire fence and the wire cutters or the printing press and it’s interesting him using that printing press analogy it’s been used again and again now I bite that document I probably first saw in about 1998 cuz I mean I was a hacker at the time right and so that was floating around on bulletin boards and what not you know along with things like the Anarchist Cookbook and whatnot these were all these little things that people were collecting and that they were putting into these compiling as being part of this hacker culture and you know what the time like you say it was Science Fiction it’s like wow this is going to be this is this is crazy science fiction except know it’s a logical progression and the reason why good science fiction works is because it’s believable that this could be the future right I mean William Gibson prime example so in your home answer right that was the first time that he ever use the term cyberspace and I think that as we look at that book in particular and we look at what our fears are of artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence researchers you almost wonder they’ve already William Gibson of course but you almost wonder are they designing to the book or was the book just that much of a of a prophecy that that was the logical progression I mean he wrote a book called virtual light that’s basically the story of Google glass-like the device that’s that’s the fundamental sort of a MacGuffin in that book is this this pair of glasses that you look through and you get augmented reality and I think he wrote that in two or something like that 93 so this is what makes great science fiction good the thing is that now things are moving so fast that when we talk about things that science fiction they could be a year away right right we’ve got you on musk shooting things into space he just yesterday put out this hyperloop video that’s crazy you know he’s boring underneath Los Angeles and it’s like this video looks like something that Dad that would be in a William Gibson novel and yet here’s the here’s of the CGI video of it but it will be a reality in like 5 years so we’re in this weird space like Terence McKenna. I was just going to say yeah right it’s like time-wave zero almost right now he has sped up its bed up to the point where you know it don’t like do we reach the transcendental object at the end of History like how close are we to that it’s an interesting time to be alive and I don’t know when it comes to crypto Anarchy you know for those people who are Anarchist for those people who are libertarian one of the reasons why I am such a forceful advocate for crypto and for bringing people along is that if you’re already there philosophically and you’re not there technologically there’s a problem you’re going to you’re not going to be able to fully manifest what you want to see in the world in your lifetime which is a real possibility if you’ll Embrace this technology exactly yeah you know I can actually dropped it recently on on one of your shows that you were kind of shipping on the deterrence theme about shamans and artists from the future so it’s like you enter into that creative space and you just it just rains on you you know this these glimpses from the future of the Sci-Fi sort of feedback loop is interesting feedback loop between actual future events and then the sort of artists and authors who are predicting them and yeah if you were this is so this is so apt in what’s happening and then you know that the time-wave zero it’s the take home from that from anybody who isn’t familiar with it or anybody who blew it off when 2012 didn’t you know open a violet door into hyperspace you know I think it fucking did your sleep like how could you deny that I sent it with her it was exactly 2012 but like let’s be real like we’re talkin about smartphones in like 2008 Bitcoin in 2009 is like just those two technologies just those two the smartphones have already completely changed the landscape of what it is to be a human being it’s completely changed it that was actually the introduction of cyborgs we are already cyborgs is it going to snow melted with the machine it’s already true take somebody’s take somebody’s iPhone away for a day and see if they don’t start reaching for it in their pocket like a phantom limb like a fiend right oh my God is the semantics of the singularity us becoming a global board hivemind through the internet that is the singularity we are the machine and luckily thanks to this for side of the crypto that you could the Vatican cypherpunks were actually able to own in and really actually in a laboratory manager has the sword is on the steering wheel the power to to actually drive spaceship earth in the direction that we collectively you will see is his for the benefit of some of all of this for or perhaps to stop driving right because this is how I interpret what has had I interpret that the end of the entire Crux of human history until until this point has been us attempting to drive spaceship earth and where we’ve been attempting to drive it is back to source and what source is for us human beings for our particular species what separates hours of our species from every other species is is our capacity for communication and it’s not just our capacity for communication between individuals because there’s a great many species that have that capacity and some of them have it on a much greater scale than we do and that we would then we ever will between individuals but us to communicate across time and across space and that’s as fundamentally what makes humans humans and when we started out as a species we were able to communicate instantly with and face to face and voice to voice and even you touch and to smell and to have a $0.05 communication with every other human being on the planet that first family right however many of the hominids that that were our ancestors that we are all as a species derived from they were able to communicate to every single other human being on the planet and at the moment when that’s that tribe that Clan grew so big that they split apart and one family went you know on a search for more resources because resources were running out or maybe there were they scattered to the winds ever since that time we’ve been trying to find a way to get back to that place to that one family to be able to reach out and touch and smell and and interact with every other human being on the planet and that was a fantasy until in our lifetimes and we are now returning to that point and when we get to that point P I believe that is our Singularity because I believe that’s why restart that’s when we hit the reset button then we become a new species and it’s going to be it is because of the machines and it is because of us integrating ourselves with this technology which by the way is not unnatural it it does not come from an unnatural place it’s it’s manifested from inside of us from inside of our Consciousness it’s it’s abstractions that we have made manifest into the physical world that that wanted to emerge and to merge and so that’s what we’re really dealing with at this point and so what we as a generation in particular and it’s going to be our generation that’s going to either do this right or wrong is we’re making a return to the garden now and the question is are we going to learn from this journey of piloting spaceship earth because now we have a chance to become truly a galactic species that’s our next step are we going take out off of this planet and into the Galaxy are we going to start over as what we can be or are we going to take all an M that means the garden all of those things that we all of those the violence and all the witches in Act of course and it helped us to survive and in that time but it’s due to come to in a new realization in our own Consciousness and in our biology and not to say that we are that it to recognize the shadow right to recognize that that’s there to recognize that this is what we are as a species but to also embrace the idea that as individuals that we can raise our Consciousness in that that’s positive know we have the choice both of those examples have been presented to us throughout history on both sides right of both sides of that and it will we find that balance as we become a galactic species because it’s a foregone conclusion now it’s not a question of if we’re going to the Stars it was a question so we’ve got to decide are we going to carry on the things that aren’t that we needed to survive in this harsh environment but now that we have become especially Gods we become as mythological Gods now that we’ve become as gods are we going to be those warring gods or are we going to be those guys who got their shit together that’s the question I asked you definitely gives you glimpses into civilizations Beyond this galaxy that have figured out the balance of technology and spirituality materialism actually that what just came to mind was it a quote if I can remember it anywhere near the sodality of the original affecting parents ended one of his talks went saying no we will we be Street Smart in the ways of demonic materialism and able to come back to the family farm and eating with that wisdom and certainly if we’re going to go out in space and not leave the Earth is smoldering Cinder like so many dystopic novels then it’s going to take a yeah well so beautiful and so this is already it’s great cuz it’s just weaving itself cuz I wanted to get into the Psychedelic influences and now this is probably a good segue before we get back into another section of a texture I’d like to read the the cypherpunk manifesto to put that just sort of on the record year but to give us a little conclusion here do you want to talk about just sort of some a broad overview of how your psychedelic Explorations and experiences have informed your interfacing with technology and certainly your Inspirations for coding and and just done with a broad topic but since we kind of got into the Terrance space and all that it be great that you know put that now for a bit and then we’ll get back into the sure sure well you know it’s interesting it’s been 25 years since my first psychedelic experience and psychedelics have been a part of my life and a companion companions I should say the various different us Spirits there but they’ve been companions for me throughout and it’s just now that I’m able to start articulating what course I’ve embodied a lot but that I’ve it’s just now maybe in the past few months that I’ve even been able to articulate what influence really that that psychedelic Journey has had on me and I think and some of it has been going back and listening to Terence McKenna that it’s weird because about every five years I will go and try to delve in into to Terrance and I get something new every single time and it what you realize is a while this was a true Master Hood really gone all the way out there and then come back you know what I mean in and so is its there’s there’s great depth but what I realize is and you know I’m realizing more and more now it was getting into the Ayahuasca community that I kept being confronted by people as you know you would share your story on in ceremony and and after and and in just so you know communion with those other people and they would constantly say to me while you’re a shaman you’re a shaman you’re a shaman you know what the things that I was was doing it it never never resonated with me because I never really really really understood that but you know Mirchi eliada has kept coming up over the last year so I went out and got the the his book a classic book on Shamanism in and read that and and Terrence getting into Shamanism and I think they’re really it can affect house and then vice versa and then I know some companies for penis or dildos that they may operate with each other as well so there’s that I’m so for real I think it’s really been I think it’s mostly popular among cameras we are always interested in focusing on relationships intimacy so there is that as a result of the development with held it on for men that was Toys R Us been a bit better but no one’s for for you know that or maybe towards women other people who might like to try something different than a genital to genital contact different types of really interesting as well so so it’s like that old is Onyx or the 268 Patton and it expires after it’s 20 year on this August about not exactly the exact date but it’s about a goddess when it when it expires and so this is really significant because there I’m not sure if your readership is familiar with this project. Tried to get off the ground and you know really small startups that it’s a really interesting things with a couple of things and I’m really pushing for it or you know development but unfortunately because there’s this really wide Haughton but cover is basically sexual communication over the Internet a lot of people have been sued or shut down in there if they’ve had to fight legal battles that you know that are basically you know it’s the cost of the lawyers even if it’s pro bono I like one company like I think it was cold is getting towed when I was getting sick because they were looking for prior art and you know there has been you know the ideal tell the dogs existed before this time I actually was granted however they’ve been successful in suing people and people just cuddling cuz they don’t want to deal with you know all the legal problems that go with it so he was able to get it dropped but having to pee but I don’t think it was a nice process for for the mobile that was not fun and I think they got a new thing I did find a pro bono lawyer in Endor if I had a face match lie angle to remain in the space so it’ll be after this August to see if people are really interested in how old Onyx or if you know if it was kind of holding it and it’ll be interesting to see how it grows I expect more with live timing actually has more campsites have Incorporated chip activated sex toys so sex toys that will that will basically responded to the sound of text so when someone is watching a cam performance that you know they checking and whatever the ticking noises or Whatsapp might change the intensity or what device can do so yeah that’s an exciting thing to look for and there’s that Hypes they’re not really marketed towards my body but I think it’s exciting and I’d like to see more in there I just don’t I’m not sure I’ve heard some people really like it arson but I think that like there’s much more sophisticated Technologies because I think with which is it was very low Fidelity like you all the sexual movements you can make and compared to a without quit that may be a smart dildo or smart Middlesex leaves can do is like you know there’s so much Lost in Translation so keep an eye on for next year well well I guess this makes me think they eventually they’ll probably have some sort of pressurized suit where you could actually just have a regular massage that way you don’t even erotic now is standing but it just seems like things are going to move in that direction anyway of just remote everything in the eyes I was even thinking now you’re saying this if if you were if you were wanting to do this more of a sexual therapeutic thing and you were in if it’s it’s like the it’s been very treacherous the territory of being surrogates and I’m sure the lot of the sex surrogates that have existed since it’s been legal least in the US has to have been in situations that they probably would have much rather had had some sort of mediation device that could actually perform physical manipulation of flesh but we’re not with them having to be right there you know in the room but that you could actually be like in like in some lab Booth where you’re behind the glass but there is a surrogate apparatus or likeness of a human or something that you can speak through with that you can move through and it will be kind of like a like a space suit or something but you’re not interview at those those robots that they put out the work on space stations if you could work on it unless someone sexually LDV and a harmful way and you could actually induce certain forms of somatic Therapies in that that might be even more scalable than trying to find the people brave enough to want to do that stuff cuz yeah I think this will hopefully go in that direction or this everybody will is Hedonism will be counterbalanced by the therapy going to be a big competition for a robot out of tar so that is heard about exercise but it also had funded project to make the first digital tricorder in with a Star Trek tricorder that basically diagnosis in the competition’s on what’s the guys name I forget what a multimillion-dollar basically tries to you know get these robot out of Hearts made it and I didn’t I don’t believe there’s any connection to sex but it’s more to help people in remote locations doctor service is or Nurse Services of course development and Technology happening with money behind it up some big implications for what’s possible all right well this is a whole nother I raised money to do a the first porn in space in are they raised I don’t know some percentage of their goal but that was interesting headline I sell alpaca should I I don’t know that it wasn’t quite there gold but yeah then I haven’t heard anything about whether or not happen but I’m sure it will eventually he’ll be in there and on top of that there was a harness device that would allow for zero gravity so that people could reproduce in space cuz if people thought is like what happens if you start to try to get it on I’m sure that’s enough to try but what if you end up swinging yourself across the space shuttle and then you lose the ejaculate in this is floating in the air NASA has spent sending it has already sperm to space just to basically see all the details but yeah they’re they’re wondering if it’s possible to reduce gravity going to affect reproduction is it going to make it as easy like how is sperm motility yes oh yeah and I mean that people are going to want to call and eyes Mars eventually or it’s not like they want to now so yeah I wonder they sex is coming just don’t know it is coming and no pun intended of well that’s interesting cool then see if we can assume any other so we got to tell the Don X and everybody’s pretty well are there any other innovations that we should be aware of I’m certainly yet I didn’t know there was that patent situation so I’m really kind of in the dark anything at this year please what’s interesting is just how in the last couple years or last year really there’s been just a lot more female lunch printer is coming and so I think that’s great because if you don’t like the pornography that’s out there but like granted it is at the clean a do you know you like a course in something about pornography with sex toys and sex tech products if you don’t marry the thing is is that there haven’t been so many going into it in the past the developers have been mail and she know that’s how that’s how it’s been but you know if you’re craving for that if you’re you know things for women that they haven’t liked so much more talk from an entrepreneur is making products and focusing on women’s pleasure in the in a sex-positive way which is really really important and in that kind of a kind of discussing the orgasm Gap and I don’t know if you know where the workout some tacos but it’s basically different studies that show different types of something like or just had her in sexual encounters I think men for the most part are like nine times out of ten they’re going to have an orgasm and then for women it’s in between one and two thirds of the time they’re going to have an orgasm so I mean it’s not like I always like to say it’s not all about orgasm there’s there’s more to Sexton that but just you know there is where is the discrepancy in and I don’t think there’s been enough focused on women’s pleasure and women focusing on their own pleasure okay because I know what you like and be open to just finding that out and so I’m just a really excited about how there’s this more women and sex text no putting their horses out there and if you don’t like their products which it which I I love products products I’m just saying like you know there’s this stuff there that’s that’s that’s happening it’s a great it’s a great thing to do if I guess right thing I wish there was more of us when I was growing up not sure I would have been if exposed to it because it’s hard to advertise when you are insects taxable I’d say it’s really positive it’s the adult performers sex check which they overlap but then there’s there’s different is that there are more women directors and creating Studios and I think I think that’s that’s great you know I think there’s more diversity the better and so about comes with like books of all backgrounds you know I think that the more people from different walks of life to develop products that are there software you know whatever it is a different really help cut down on the negative sexual things that happens with abuse assault that’s awesome. Do you have any on the platforms and the and we’re not to you that you publish on have you done a series or would you think about doing a series or anyting the chronicle sorted profiling women in insects take or women who are entrepreneurs in the space so that I will be happy thrilled to know more about than just be is that something that that you might do like a specific unit of focus on at some point so we can look into that later International women’s day we had a writer put together a peace sign about I think maybe 11 women in sex tech that you are doing interesting things and I hope we’ve also covered if you act like just serious but we do cover for a lot of different male female I mean he would but I guess they’re not going to find it but we just all genders in between and we’ve covered CEO Polly Rodriguez of Unbound and she’s really great shoes I don’t know if you’ve heard of her but she co-founded the women of sex tech community so she’s based in New York and Unbound is her company and it basically creates products for women and sell products for women’s pleasure and a really like it because it makes you feel good about yourself on their commercialism but you know that market in a way that it just because you know they’re really speaking to a demographics I think has been underserved well is that how Polly co-founded women have sex talking so it’s been like a networking group mostly for ladies who are or women identifying people to talk about problems and getting funny because I mean this is the times I’ve heard differing views and I’m not a funding sometimes and then with women going in there they might get treated a bit weirdly like they don’t really appreciate it or there’s just not as much interest in focusing or investing in Need for women’s pleasure but I think women are the future of sex. Net and we’ll have definitely have articles featuring women who are in it and then I think it’s women of sex tech stuff, and that’s just a bunch of women in sex tech or sex-related online projects that you know you might be interested if you don’t know a lot of women entrepreneurs in the space store in publishing online that’s cool I’m so I was at the crypto invest Summit in Los Angeles recently and there was a women in blockchain panel and there’s a number of there’s a really powerful really amazing women in the blockchain space were organizing and creating a different groupings in and just looking at a think it’s something like I don’t know where anywhere between effort numbers between only 2% of venture funding goes to women in Navy up two at the most like 10% but that’s probably generous so we have a long way to go and that’s that space is so much more I have a lot more hope for for transformation of culture through Venture funding when I do through replacing people on you know positions of authority and Power & politics to let you know that everywhere but I’m not really thrilled to know about that cuz I feel like yeah whatever whatever dystopian futuristic sex text scenarios might happen with really may be corrupted ingredient you know harmfully perverted men if their women in the space of Mino writing proposals and business models in business plans in pitching then hopefully more enlightened more feminist friendly future will be a that was my home okay so you’re moving along to another question so there has been it’s weird I feel like the green the go green kind of Boom it’s it’s almost like I don’t know I want I don’t want to call it a bubble but it seems like I remember in the late in the late 2000 and early 2000s around between 2822 I don’t know what you have wouldn’t wouldn’t say when it stops at any point but it did really kind of get big there was directors of sustainability positions opening up in all these different firms and I’ll and institutions and Recycling and just a sort of Renaissance of of the Earth Day by but it really got up the nerve is everybody wanted to go green and I don’t know if you get the sense of that sort of faded a bit from a Zeitgeist maybe people have gotten just more all about apps and all about smartphones and just like that in that movement and it around Elsa was big with the Inconvenient Truth coming out there and then being a I see a lot of celebrities speaking out about a lot more I think on the other half of the Earth but I’m noticing a gap I don’t know if you have noticed it but I’m curious now if you feel like in the specific unisex take space if there are people who are really coming out saying I hate let’s do this let’s do this development of psychological development for sexuality but let’s do it with certain environmental ethics and protocols in place as far as carbon footprint and as far as you know sustainability and sustainable products and materials and all but I feel like these people are really losing sight of the supply chain of Technology from ecological perspective I don’t know if you have any thoughts on that but for the sex tech industry I don’t think it has a great track record when it comes to sustainable projects or at least not in promoting them I imagine I think that if I had a better track record I hear about it cuz the pr people like to tell you what they’re doing great there is people like lovehoney they’re like and basically trying to make more vegan products so that’s not necessarily that let me hear me say that again like so it’s about regarding like semen safety and then making sure there aren’t animal products in your sex toys and I’m not an expert on that but there has been more discussion about vegan products and then and I think there’s some companies that really promote that is alternatives to leather like some type of a vegan alternative but yeah I don’t I don’t think it has a great track record I haven’t really heard much about it there are some 3D 3D printed 3D printing projects I’ll hear about every once in awhile and what kind of push like I’m an environmentalist point of you sometimes because I’m guessing you’ve heard of Eco sexual arousal stainable 3D printed sex toys that they people can fit themselves and any use out outside historic site right now project was called dildo at yourself idea of you know generally instead of mass producing a million sex toys like one-size-fits-all with 3D printing you know there’s more customizability so that’s that I think 3D printing has but just so you know it’s just because you 3D print something it doesn’t mean you should put it in your 30s to be like a protective coating put on auctions increases the technology gets better you will have to do all this DIY stuff. I got a clitoris 3D printed because there is an open source 3D printing projects to get that. I’m basically just to raise awareness because you know most of the clitoris is internal and people don’t know that and they don’t realize like they see just one little thing about that looks like underneath so I got that I don’t have a 3D printer but I went to something called like three beehives and basically it just links you to people in your area I’m in a very like safe manner I felt that are able to print designs for you and decent cost so I mean back something as well instead of like that can change how business is done because you don’t need to buy your own face 3D printer you there are going to be already are in this going to be more and if so needed to spend all the money you can get somebody else to do this and I don’t think the guy who cares right I want to get princess just a personal services so there’s it’s possible that is really cool I feel like if you could through and I have never thought about that really you know I’m kind of cynical and jaded and in my old old-fashioned but isn’t didn’t really think about how great it would be if there were even somehow edible totally organic totally cruelty-free edible ingredients to take to create these shapes with using machines like that mean I could be something that gives Pizza waiting two years for a part to arrive you can know we have the skin the scheme of anything friendship you know when the anti-globalization movement failed to stop the sort of thumb race to the bottom of wages where the sweatshops of the world with the lowest environmental standards for materials is like all of this plastic stuff that’s being manufactured in sweatshops and then shipped back to the US if the 3D printer can make that entire the bottom dropped out of that market because it’s so cheap as it is but if you could eliminate all of those Logistics by the way you’re saying like a localized distributed open source way to get the same sort of 99 cent store that you have your own 99 cent store in your garage take out that whole corrupted supply chain of international trade that’s really not with what is not healthy for the time but the news like bioprinting and I think people are the really interested in the house applications of of regenerative Technologies and Technologies and I think that there is no try that is possible to create it’s going to be possible at least a crate pills that are for like really targeted for the person so instead of giving like everybody like this is just a standard dosage know some people need different Doses and elderly people are often prescribed medications and so will you just expect another slice of this type of printing it has so many applications that can really enhance like you know what you said you could help get rid of fireman by cutting out all that transport and you know hopefully make fruit quality of life as well as medicine very good very good so I think whoever do with all that stuff a couple questions I have here if we have a few more minutes to get to wrap up I think we covered I was going to ask if you would share some with some women like space but it sounds like we got some good resources for that we laid out and I appreciate that so people can follow up and and look at those and then I guess the met the last question will be if you yourself had a blue sky budget to develop the start-up of your dreams and their futuristic sex text space What would be one of your dream projects if you’ve ever been in a brainstorming about it yeah well it’s a big question I would say yeah I think for for sex tech me to get payment and Publishing done on our own terms and stop Outsourcing like for instance you know trying there’s some people Facebook doesn’t allow any sex advertising or it could be something really likes a fish for work basic it is not like it’s hard to advertise the banks and I’m peanut processors they can just freeze your account and so I think something I mean maybe it wouldn’t be blockchain we would have to develop something but with the Sky High budget I just think that is made for and by the sex tech industry so that we’re not reliant on you know people who don’t have necessarily the intellects Experience open my Nest help a Dolores extech Industries you know so I understand why some companies want to get Facebook eyes but you know I don’t I think that’s just open a can of worms in a bit because it’s what’s good sex what’s bad sex should Facebook me to finding that and just in terms of online publishing a 90% about enchiladas Revenue goes to like Google or Facebook the duopoly so again if you’re publishing picture people are making money but it’s mostly those two people and so I think the way to Circle wait this I don’t think we should be like cow coloring to these big big companies that have all this power but not necessarily open-mindedness and I totally agree with that it’s a huge pain point and Swan that I’ve certainly been let me know what I can say for personal experience I’ve had videos go viral on the more mainstream platforms that I shall not name but the second they really go viral they get deplatformed and that could have been career-changing for me you know if you have to build an audience so maybe it’s funny because Yahoo started out very much a highly trafficked adult almost classified platform if I’m not mistaken but there was there was a sort of kick-starting bootstrapping golden age of adult in the early days of the internet that got quickly sort of extinguish I don’t know why they don’t just have an official vetted adult only access sphere of their own Enterprises even if it’s a subsidiary with a different name or something if they have some distance from you know politically or something but they’re definitely missing out you know I don’t know why they don’t figure out how to make their algorithms could do anything I mean your algorithms good figure out how to only serve with I mean cuz I just wiped out a lot of they demonetized a lot of of content producers who run anything that could possibly be controversial for advertisers but why not just say oh you’re up you’re a right-wing gun that freak you know that whatever will hear is you get all of those ads and Penny Play Say Something for everybody so and I’m not putting that down imma you know that there’s there’s I’m just an example of what some of what gets with what get some persecuted by that but yeah I totally agree with that and I do feel like hopefully blockchain and you know these new permissionless content platforms like steam at for example as a good example publishing platform where you can get paid for your content and they just have a very intuitive there it is checkbox for not NSFW right and that’s it that’s all you need to know self-select I don’t know if it’s the community can can certify a gate but then it doesn’t get deleted it just goes into that not-safe-for-work category in that is all you really need a break myself but yeah that that’s a great a great idea hopefully everything will come to you to help the guy that process and you know actually know if I just have one less thing to put out there since I have you on the line and the folks who are the fans of your work might might get into this I don’t know if this is been done yet I don’t see how it seems like it would be the easiest no-brainer sort of fork of some sort of Open Source Code for a nap but basically you bringing bringing sex tech Down to Earth for my ecosexual perspective that I would love to see there be an app that’s exactly like Airbnb but what it specializes in is connecting people who are like glamping you know but for sex places where you can have sex in nature and go to a place in private property that is a place where you can go and feel free at this like like monetizing private 611 Tantra temples but but at the very least just feel like I’ve got a bunch of land with you know a cabin on it and I would love for people couples or whoever to go out there and have their full moon rituals and not be bothered people gawking at them or you know complaining about it and they can be as you can be as loud as you need to be to really go deep with sexuality which we also do not have the access to seal open up you know what their vocal cords as much as feel free being naked and Nathan Wyld so yeah let’s have an airbag recall are birds and bees like that so cool well hopefully yeah all of our dreams come true here to certainly plenty of plenty of resources being thrown around and now in the crypto Stacy know I’ve never seen so many hundreds of millions of dollars / around the planets online exchanges they never before so they do you know if there’s a will there’s a way let’s get well let’s hope for the best and certainly be optimistic about the potential for anything now yeah cool said you’re going to give your websites and Sandy final closing words anything else before we sign off your podcast cuz I’ve been a fan for a while so it’s nice to be here and you want to check out the site of future of sex. Net we’re just vamping to be a responsive shame I know it took so long but it’s going to look a bit different soon if you are visiting today it’s not responsive just yeah you’re still a sex-positive future dates or anything we should be aware of I definitely can see YouTube easy easy for most corresponding all these matters I had no clue about a lot of this stuff and I’m so thank you for enlightening us and we will definitely be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Tantra Punk. Com Damas de

Crypto-Economic Solutions for the Sex Industry with Leah Callon-Butler TPP137

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In this episode I’m joined by Leah Callon-Butler for a high level exploration of crypto-economic solutions for the sex industry. She shares her impressive professional background leading to her role in co-founding the intimate.io blockchain startup. We commiserate on the state of the sex industry world-wide and she provides powerful prophetic  insight into the positive and empowering transformation that’s on the horizon.

About Leah:

Leah is the Engagement Director for intimate, a cryptocurrency that is challenging institutional bias against the adult and sex tech industries. With over a decade’s experience spearheading the business development and growth strategies for a range of emerging tech startups, she devoted a large part of her MBA to the topic of social entrepreneurship. This lead her to work with the United Nations Environment Program Finance Initiative (UNEP FI), and actively participate in a range of gender equality movements, including a leadership development program for young women, and a global non-profit that empowers disadvantaged women to achieve economic independence.

Email: leah@intimate.io
Twitter / Telegram: @leah_cb
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahcallonbutler/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 137 I am so excited to share with you the work of intimate. IO I have Leah Calvin Butler who is the co-founder and engagement director at this blockchain startup based would you say it well it’s a global team right so we would you say your base mainly in the UK or in London LA and Sydney but we’ve got change distributed all over the world actually so a decentralized to centralized lifestyle right is what it is now so little bit of a backstory anybody who has been listening to the podcast for at least the last few months since I have become a devotee of the Legacy now of Satoshi Nakamoto in this cypherpunk crypto anarchists Evolution into now highly mainstream highly established uses for blockchain technology that the fundamental backbone of how cryptocurrencies work in Bitcoin was the 1st game in town with that and now we on the podcast I’ve been looking at the intersection of people involved in sex work in the adult entertainment industry and looking at the all of the different pain points that blockchain technology would be so perfect to solve and really kind of calling out and and praying to find people who are really capable with this technology to get in and and start helping to solve some problems and of course there’s plenty of riches to be had this is a very interesting time and if you listen to a few episodes back you’ll hear the the continuity here this is really I can’t I can’t say it enough going to answer to so many prayers to be having this conversation right now so with all that said Leah thank you for bearing with that long intro and please tell us all about your personal background and what led you what led to your interest in creating technological solutions for the adult industry so much for having me a real honor to be invited onto this show and have the opportunity to share a bit more about what we’re doing time is the blockchain space because I had a professional background working and renewable energy industry for many years and I actually left that industry in a bit of a house because I was quite tired of this conversation that we’re going on between people rather than kind of moving to a new paradigm around sustainability and and a renewable future I found that some people were still thinking so short him and with the energy Market itself I found that we could really make real progress there are those that wanted to install solar on a roof Houston selves because that’s a good when I was the best one all week yes thank you to a kind of plastics industry in a hospital I thought some you know they needs to be a big shift before we actually see anything changing I couldn’t see how that would happen as long as the palace that they were in control so it was about a year ago that I was sitting with a mentor of mine and I was having the same kind of ranch and when we actually going to see a renewable teach him and he said hey I’m going to send you a case study I want you to check it out and tell me what you think and he emailed me a reference to the Brooklyn microgrid not sure if you’ve heard about it but it was the first project with a proves that you could actually create a Pia to Pia energy trading Market on the blockchain it’s incredible incredible stuff at least one which was is in Brooklyn New York and on one side of the street they had houses that had legs like solar panels producing much more than all the residents on that side of the street could use and then on the other side of the street people didn’t have any solar panels and what they were doing is actually selling the excess solar energy solar she didn’t have a whole lot of options on what they’re going to do with it I think it’s still sell it at a discount right size but be making it a much higher profit than what they would usually do if they had to sell it back to the great I am very passionate about sustainability this really blew my mind and I could really mean and today I think anyone has any clue how this could potentially reimagine their entire world but I also thought that a lot of people would just applying change anything because you know technology right now actually benefit decentralization and some of the other benefits that come with synthetic wax you need such as being able to transact privately but also built on trust and reputation on top of that it was for the Australian digital currency Association in Australia and John just just basically networking with a lot of his face and he is the he’s my car founder as well with goat on street I found it when I was saying Ruben nice and smile and myself had this Visionary idea to create a blockchain Solutions Seattle industry and it’s a lot about it but when I started to learn about some of the problems that people were facing in a space to find another industry that would benefit most from this type of Technology because I am really passionate about social intelligence and social impact initiatives I hadn’t found anything with the technology had such such potential to actually make a real impact on people’s lives to empower and protect them and hopefully remove some of the stigma by as well and I have been very very keen to find others who have that background for a really deep into crypto and yeah this is this is really so exciting to me at 6 that’s a whole nother episode we can get into for sure and but it just really adds to the ecological thinking so I’m sure yeah well I’m sure we’ll get into that I’m going to reel it in before I get too excited about that aspect so you want to talk more about your your role at intimate day today what is it look like you are people in China how do I actually present to the world kind of conversations we want to be driving who are we inviting into a community and essentially what kind of impact we want that to have on the world so extremely passionate about driving a six positive conversation which is fully inclusive an authentic to the way that we do that too is I had a lot of people within a community that we often turn to that they will actually come out and tell their own personal stories and how they believe that this technology can help them so I meeting of people and identifying who can help us amplify a story for the also will thank you for doing a great work can you kind of share some of what are those those initial conversations are like when you were unwrapping folks to this technology and understand your pain point we actually did a Christmas party in London in partnership with pool reiman Publications which is the biggest adult content site to find out how much they know about cryptocurrencies performance and what’s a basic knowledge of how they go about that sir that was fascinating because I have to say I was completely blown away but everybody there knew all the benefits of the cryptocurrencies so especially being able to transact privately but that’s even more important was they were fully aware that opportunity to be able to build trust and reputation and that’s something that is incredibly important to people that physically where they doing real well physical interactions with a client at the moment is very poor ignore you trust mechanisms of this industry we were sticking with some escort she said that they’d best mechanism for trust is to speak to someone on the phone and I know exactly who knows every talking about well I’m through so just to have an incentive mechanism in this be able to encourage people to be good actors on the network and excellent feedback people with very much I’ve been to using and accepting cryptocurrency volatility accessibility to the market and essentially just the complexity of the spice anise technology is relatively example Bitcoin is my man has such scalability issues because they want all the benefits without having to manage any of that complexity will have to worry about faces going out and action figures I mean scalability issues or even things like hard. I just don’t want to know about that so that’s something that we spend a lot of time at intimate doing we realize that this cryptocurrency has to be completely simple the people you said I can actually incorporate it into their daily lives of ways we do that did you want me to go over there now a good sense of your roll there and in some of the perfect kind of foreshadowing to now how does that was get in under the hood and and talk a bit about how all this works and and maybe first just for those who understand the sort of the concept of an elevator pitch you know the sort of one one several sentence to a few short paragraphs of what the problem statement is and then we’ll really get into the under the hood stuff I’m really excited for that has been designed by and for the adult industry and what is the time to do is to facilitate payments and reputation within the industry the trust reputation pace is really exciting as we believe that this is the future and we actually think she that industry is the perfect place to test this proof-of-concept because this new industries that have craving Safety and Security of the benefit of an adult said that there’s going to be a few Industries don’t want that what that access to voluntary disclosure of their on jatta and complete privacy so well yeah there’s so many dimensions it just it’ll make your head spin if you I mean yeah I just literally so many and then but just smart contracts would she not sure what we’ll get into as well it’s it’s a it goes into as many levels of complexity as you can imagine and Beyond so well the low-hanging fruit trust is essentially fixing payments in this industry and which talking to people around the fear of volatility but even try that it’s just kind of getting out of some of the barriers that institutional bias have imposed on this is industry essentially going back to step one given that this industry is so stigmatized we took my clients every day and he how frustrated that they they are a bank account with a mainstream financial institution they get charged exorbitant credit card processing fees if I want to get a working capital loan I Get Ridiculous interest payment gateways refusing to deal with people I mean this problem is so old is incredibly broad we with everything from an online on demand platform for hiring an escort right through to Commerce platforms that sell sex toys and novelties through to a Japanese love Hotel Group. To provide a Intimate Apparel and also things like dating services as well so we we really in compass a lot in that space of adult that was amazing is that every single person in his face is experiencing the same problems so I could give you some examples of one of my partners is a brand called them and they make Emoji things you can get the original eggplant and I’ve recently played as well I think I really fell in love with him when I first met Chris Pratt’s female car found she came up with the idea to start because she thought there was a real issue with some of her female pee is only thing I want to discuss their and sexual identity and she thought will he practically for a lot of them it’s quite an awkward conversation to be having so she wanted to give lightheartedness and humid to the topic that it High play that could open up discussion for a lot of people and have some pretty incredible benefits for their lives and their relationships so just to put a my Jeep Ida if you didn’t know it was a vibrator it would look like a plastic vegetable it is really really time on the on the spectrum of being explicit but this business that currently running most beautiful a personal bank accounts cuz they can’t get Event open an account for them PayPal won’t deal with them it had terrible issues trying to set up their online e-commerce platform with Shopify and strut their ads on Facebook and this all comes down to us and stigmatisation there in the sticks bucket nobody wants to deal with them and we just think that that’s completely wrong it’s extortion if it was any other industry people would be backing out to support people and filing class-action but because it’s Seattle industry we filled it some z’s entrepreneur is not getting the support they need another group that we were created is a group of Japanese love hotels they have terrible issues being able to Market their properties to a global audience because bookings.com and other aggregator website will not stay hotels because they love hotels if you don’t know what they are basically hotels where you can book in increments of say a half hour or an hour beautiful properties again you know if you’re going to list pictures of them on a website you wouldn’t be able to tell much difference between them in another hotel but because they’ve got a satellite blown them they have so many issues accessing the most basic services so what does industry mean crypto I’ve being essentially a currency that haven’t been issued by a central bank or government we can completely bypass all of those problems and actually stopped at Tri-C that has special attribute built just for this industry so that’s actually doing them and we think this is going to lead to some pretty amazing Innovation for example in this industry parents of broken completely broken and it’s a lot of potential Revenue to too late from this industry so I was just one exam so I would use the tube size and the pool in space I mean this free porn is prolific now and it’s every way I mean we’ve been speaking to the line especially its ux problem a lot of these spots on spit up to deliver a really easy seamless payment experience people that really want to be giving up then they credit card details to some coincide thing they worried about it or they don’t want to come up on credit card bill and someone to see what they’ve been buying so this is real kind of friction between people wanting to access particular products and services but not really having this Safety and Security and potential privacy that they they really did if you don’t mind can I can I see some right there I wanted to see if you were familiar with the sort of inspired it all by the the brave browser and the basic attention token kind of model as disintermedia Ting bad add experiences where you can actually use micropayments to opt out of ads and you can still support content and just just micropayments and tipping as being something that is is being perfected now so is that is that any thought also about cleaning up some of the porn user experience by using this kind of basic attention token kind of concept for being able to monetize and pay performers and producers and web hosts adequately people looking at different ways to be able to make this work I love seeing this so many different ideas in this space about how to monetize Industries like this through micropayments this is so many different option another thing in which is great shoe is if we can actually put some Majin back into the industry because we don’t have to essentially be relying on middleman to facilitate these types of transactions we think that’s actually going to bring a lot more quality back into the space as well in terms of payments we actually think that it wasn’t that long ago that people would say I’m not paying for music I can just download it for free but then I change came in and Revolution revolutionize the space to open off of single chickens at 99 Cents and then people had a lot more choice about how they would actually choose and purchase and consume their content in a rather than having to buy a whole album and now is that more and more companies of spending $12 a month of my subscription to Spotify because it’s a live is excellent content is completely tile it’s made with amazing III algorithms and it’s a great stuff we think that the animal industry is is relaxing that and a lot of it is because if you took away the label if I don’t I think that’s really smart entrepreneurs out there he would look at this industry and think wow to come in and do something great for the Spice which is clearly understood but as soon as you put the label on it many people want it all because they were rotational risk of what other people will think of some of the most basic problems examples setting out with payments that we can actually build something that’s going to be a lot more relevant to people and easier-to-use so essentially Spotify. Play Future there’s so many value-added opportunities in especially the poor in space and actually something that just dawned on me right now as you were speaking in kind of connecting his. Says I just realized you know the way I applied to actually even even sort of sexually spiritually intellectually emotionally developing a human being by feeding them appropriate adult content based on their age based on their preferences and actually not just sort of by contorting them to the lowest most of the lowest common denominator of extreme abusive I mean that’s the other shadow of it is at there’s a huge market place there’s a huge it’s not even a niche it’s like all of the people who are fundamentalist monotheistic Korn haters are jerking off to porn the most and in the most shame and secrecy about it because because there’s very few adult production houses that are serving at Marketplace as they should be you could really sell it you know you just touched on something that I am extremely passionate about at the moment I think because there is such high barriers-to-entry in this industry and it’s so difficult for entrepreneurs who have to come in and just access basic banking information services to have to set up a business experience because I really believe that this is stifling Innovation is it space and perhaps ironically the reason that would not say any diversity is because it’s this stigmatisation that is keeping people but if we can actually make the industry a lot more open and inclusive and bought some more people in I think we’re actually going to say in Thai a new market segments open up I think we’re going to stay completely need customer design is developed completely new products that people haven’t even dreamed about the full but the new services and I think that’s really exciting because if we can actually get to a place where we live in you have said yes to Justin tips about what it’s like to be adapting to this new thank you I mean you’re providing a platform for people to express themselves and you’re finding people like me who you know I’m nobody in this world and at the same time I very I feel like I’m a very important piece of the puzzle and I haven’t always felt that way my own self value wasn’t where it’s at and I you know I need the others and you need the others and so you already doing so much and I really appreciate you reaching out and wanting to give a voice to people like me who maybe you’re not on the you know I feel like I’m behind the scenes a lot and you can’t necessarily reach out to to you know I don’t know bigger a larger what it’s called platforms and say Authority terribly I need to speak on this or be on a panel specifically and yet at the same time so many opportunities like this have presented themselves to me like being on humans going are the libertarian Radio free talk live or or your show and so many others and so it’s it’s such a beautiful synchronous synchronicity how we all find each other and I’m being hard open to supporting each other and that’s what it’s all about so to me when people ask me what is a blockchain artist what makes you a crypto artist or what how can I get involved in this way if I don’t have any coding skills or if I don’t have any if I don’t feel like a nerd at hard or any or if I don’t have any connection the truth is that most of the people that are even curious about this movement or that believe in Freedom are already a part of this movement you know what I mean and it’s just lack of Education or lack of information and lack of system or container though it’s being created right now and so anything that you care about and if you respect freedom and the evolution of humankind through compassion and love that is blockchain with me and I know it sounds really extreme for some people but it’s really is I mean if your yoga teacher that you can download Ed secure whatever wallet of your choice I love Edge they you know they just upgraded to their shape-shifting converting application which they didn’t have before and I just downloaded it and it’s Sue me my favorite while it’s always recommend that you use in a hot while it on your phone you can just download something like that in 3 seconds and all of a sudden your yoga teacher who takes crypto you know what I mean it and it’s awesome in this is what I do at my my events like that we have the exist festival.com for South by Southwest and is not an official South by event is a disruptive one because you know I love songs by and I painted a giant mural for South by that’s going to be showing at the Expo Center for Austin Rodeo I love what they’re doing so many ways they’ve also turn down quite a few female speakers for the blockchain fan I don’t know enough about what they’re doing and I’m sure there’s reasons why everybody dusted the things I do but I think it’s important to set up other events are outside of the you know of the gates of South by in the rules and so on so that’s why we’re where we can bring in a bunch of artists who have never heard of a Cryptid before or we’re interested in it and teach him how to download wallet and then make their sales for there vending whatever they’re running t-shirts and arts and whatever in crypto and there you got like that’s all it takes so when I get on an Uber or Lyft or Rideshare I asked them if they take crypto and they look at me like I’m crazy and then I showed them how to download the wallet and then I took them in crypto and when I go to any any local shop or any restaurant I just automatically always ask do you take pepto and they just look at me confused and then they ask and then I tell them and so it’s just word of mouth and that’s it very small way in which and how we can educate each other just asked about it as if it’s part of your normal life because do you know and so the more people we have on the system to better that easier we’re all going to to evolve within this I don’t know if the answer is exactly the question that you are totally practical tips for people who want to just be ya be a part of the movement and and adapt and actually alter reality one day at a time just with whatever means you have you know yeah that’s exciting cuz you know I’ve had had a similar kind of a journey of just wanting to onboard friends and just get people excited about it and really the best way to do it is just to get them started with someone just downloaded wallet. I’m going to tip you or I’m going to split the mule and give you your you know percentage the Crypt or whatever and and that just gets that gets the party started anybody & M I C while you’re talking I was imagining they’re being a i y bet there’s got to be some art galleries in the world that just give what is QR codes on every piece so in case you don’t want to buy it you can just tip the artist while you’re there be a white of all the art that I’m so like thrilled to behold in my eyes when I go to an art gallery I would go in there with a budget to tip all the all the artist that I thought really blew my mind you know that’s a whole number and thank you for saying that because I seriously have been wanting to make a video on this for so long thank you for reminding me I want I want all the spray paint artist mural is due to get a QR code stencil and so many times that I’ve been moved by a mural and I yeah you can buy it and you can buy a piece by the artist I’m just freaking said man like $1 a hundred people $1 and then you go home and the artist girl out in the world like how insanely amazing about education if nobody told me that I could do better if I wasn’t a part of this movement I would not have either. So yes I think every Gallery should have a key or code next to their pieces for sure and hopefully work making it easier and easier to have these things be more accessible and just like you said you know split a meal and pay in in crypto just like you would do with venmo or PayPal is very easy and another thing that I think is important to mention is that at first when Bitcoin came out in the early adopters now that Bitcoin was more like a Welsh holding system and still now you know it’s people assume that that you have to have a lot of money to get into crypto but I love the people at and dash dash people talked about this a lot and then cash and Litecoin you don’t fast transaction this is a system that I believe in I’m so tired of using Banks and I’m so tired of using Fiat I don’t want it anymore so I don’t actually hold its on a crypto I’m not at a point where my Abundant Life reflects in my in my wallet but I do get to use crypto every day to do my everyday things and every time a little more and so even if you just want to download a wallet and put 10 bucks into either or 10 bucks into like going or Dash or whatever your favorite currency is just put it there and do nothing with it and check it again in a month and see what happens or just how about you don’t have something like $100 and whenever you go do something if they take crypto you can transfer that and just start really small it’s it’s such a mountain of information that I can be very overwhelming I sign up for a steaming a couple a couple weeks ago and I’ve heard about steemit for for those of you who don’t know it’s a platform like it has all these different channels you can blog writing you can put up videos it’s basically a decent realized turn off all the social media that we use today so right now if you comment on YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or Instagram you don’t get paid for your value and reviewing people’s content but on steemit you basically get rewarded for being an active member of the community you get paid for voting for curating and you can receive a lot of steam power and crypto money basically for producing good content that is useful to people and it cannot be tamed innocence other than by the users and the population and so it’s a really amazing system in everyone’s use it for a long time but I was kind of intimidating by it finally I made an account into two and a half weeks to clear which is insane and and I’ve been getting super overwhelmed with learning how to use it and I just try to continue to watch one video day and do little things at a time and in no time I’ll be an expert you know that’s all it takes so just I hope that people don’t get over Round And if you’re curious just continue learning just a little bit at a time you don’t have to be an expert overnight exactly. I’m glad yes team is amazing and probably going to totally crush it on there just is it doing writing published his stuff it’s been specially in the crypto space is people that it’s amazing some of the mounts you can get off of that and it shows you how big data is really extracting so much value from users of platforms and it’s it’s it’s not going to be long before just because it’s free means that you just give them all your data and sign away the property rights and all that stuff is is going to be replaced by this micropayment ecosystems where people can support each other you know value in the content that they consume and and being really well well supported in and I think it’s going to do the asking to do a lot of amazing some of her friends yesterday we were talking about all them you know thousands of jobs disappearing as robots take over and Singularity and all the stuff and at some point in my life I was really concerned about this you know yet where are aliens off drivers truck drivers going to go when we have also if driving cars do you know all the stuff but the answer is blanching all these people will be doing things in blockchain I will be getting paid well for it and it’ll take less time and I mean from the Tim Ferriss 4-Hour Work Week on and everything. Having high developments off technology and be more efficient with our time does not mean that we is not does not need to be scary you know there’s a lot of stuff within fast Evolution that is that is concerning to me specially how fast were developing and growing and how our security initiatives are not all the party yet and I think we’re getting there so there’s a lot of concern of course but anyting however I don’t think that we all really grasp or we’re starting to now how how much we really don’t have to work 90 hours a week or whatever the ridiculous things we do you know that the whole point of this is that micro payments and micro contributions from everybody involved will react what time for us to to be humans to exist to just let me know this is such an interesting new development in the sort of f have that imprint of a techno dystopia since childhood from all the Sci-Fi and I watched it and then you know you imagine this world where humans are made up sleep by robotic technology and Ai and I’ve been pretty sure that those prospects especially now is drones of coming to the picture and now I really feel like it as of this moment this kind of is really the undeniable presence in the now of both of those dystopic seems coming coming nauseous to come to life but coming into existence but then as you’re saying which is actually so Redemptive for sheep the human soul is that like she was an example something might you might have some thoughts on as far as empowerment but it’s like the the sort of this myth of the scarcity of worthwhile productive labor that can be done with from picking up trash to planting trees to cleaning up toxic waste like through the blockchain micropayments and sort of micro temporary employment contracts that can really enfranchise all the homeless people to get a micro crypto payment without actually showing up and waiting in line to get in the welfare program or get into a you know some sort of job placement program you can just be like you know you show up on the there’s some spill like a whip there’s some kind of cleanup has to happen and people can just mop it and and have day labor crypto payments and there will really never be a gap between meaningful work and and fair pay and there’s plenty of wealth in the crypto world alone to finance stuff like that and even if you know whether it’s through a nonprofit system or through taxes done I mean I’m not going to endorse taxes in general but but you kind of know what I’m saying so how do you feel about that you feel like that’s the direction we’re going to go and there are so many projects that have mind-blowing for example the green miners are looking into mining basically with all green energy from turning trash into clean energy so that things like Bitcoin mining don’t have to take resources as we know them now and there are so many projects in the space for cleaning up the oceans and cleaning up the air and I’m bringing food to the right places and replanting trees and replenishing the soil I mean there if you think of any good initiatives going on in the world for every single one of them there is at least one crypto person who is trying to intercept and connect and there are some barriers you know like the the extreme hippies and I don’t mean that in any negative or positive connotation specifically just outside another word to use like the Crypt on earth and the cryptic Crypt of hippies and all these people like hippies like me back in the day when I when I was in Turkish hippie confused and all of this integrating technology and really scared of it I never imagined in my life that I would be here talking about technology I like but at the same time I see like you said you know how directly this has impacted my life I live a better life I can eat better food because I have my bills taken care of more often because I am connecting projects that feed my soul in that feed my pocket and and it’s just it’s just acknowledge he’s not going anywhere so yes hearing drones zooming around in the air concerns me especially there’s no privacy laws about this and I’m sure I am in plenty of videos just public random videos of people have of course all that is concerning to me but at the same time if I can get drones to massively plant trees and water them creating on cleaning water and stain of away and replenishing the Salt Lake of course I want that also so it’s a fine balance you knowing yeah there’s just there’s just so many opportunities and I’m a very hopeful first person you know and Technologies not going anywhere in the craziest disasters are going on in the world are very real and I’m very aware of my privilege and I’m honored for just being able to be a voice and a part of this movement in any way but if you are truly concerned if you’re a person sitting there and you are really really against technology my best advice to you is to get involved you know what I mean just get involved and make sure that our our moral compasses are still true and that our time is being used efficiently because while I think it’s piercing experiencing abundance is a really healing thing for our communities that happen monkey trained into scar City and fear so I think that having lavish parties in exotic places when they are led by the right Compass when we’re doing no trash Left Behind when we’re also feeding and in helping those communities those are beautiful experiences I think also it’s very easy to fall into the you know greedy egotistical side of things and so we can be people on the sidelines criticizing this movement or we can just Dive Dive Right In whichever way feels comfortable to you and try to help from within you know absolutely yeah amazing so do you want to take can you talk a bit about you know obviously not to be tokenizing but I was really thrilled to know that Amanda B Johnson is the spokes person for Dash and they have a sort of a in the dash consensus system they’re they’re holding their whole their whole technological platform on the basis of it there’s money allocated in there sitting there a crypto economic ecosystems to support people in in roles as delegates and Advocates and Educators and I’m I’m wondering if you have some thoughts on connecting with or have you connected with women in crypto and just having more solidarity and more initiatives that are women lead and women find it and having the the voice and the the wisdom of Sisterhood in the crypto space which is is seriously it’s I don’t know I wouldn’t say this that I understand to be hyper sexist or it’s just a typically gender imbalance in technology for various reasons of course and but this is one of the most inviting and open-minded for thinking space is so I’m just curious if you have thoughts understand that aspect I do and I just want to throw in really quickly that Dash is doing some incredible incredible things to use this new currency in the everyday lives of people and changing a lot I mean I spoke with Danny the other day from the Crypt of showing radio station and just some of the projects he shared with me that they’re doing going to orphanage orphanage is camping outside open and to defend that old homes and rebuilding after after earthquakes all of these weren’t the weather doing in Mexico and helping people from the US and for Mexico to send each other Dash instead of Fiat you know making it super useful super accessible for them and actually turning crypto into into resources are they need whether it’s a new fan for their ceiling or food or whatever and so they are doing a lot of work right on the ground and putting you know when ATMs in crypto ATM there just it is amazing to see this dystopian Society for good and bad is already here as completely I mean crypto is already being used in so many daily activities all the time so much more that we know and I know that documentaries are being created and they will be available to all of us soon and every time more but there is so much more happening than we even inside are aware of you know every time I talk with anybody is it blows my mind all the projects are going on in and that this is the Hood part of it is another one and there are all these telegram groups going around some of them are called crypto women badass women in blockchain you know he’s different name there’s this group on Facebook called crypto queens and I have found some amazing amazing humans are working with the UN and women investing in women and funding each other’s projects and the Miami Conference the North America Miami Conference Bitcoin conference I had this one person run up to me this woman and she said hi sister if you’re a woman here I pretty much want to connect with you and she added me to his telegram group and I stole that from her in the best possible way so every time I’m at any blockchain event I run up to the women and I said Hey sister if you’re a woman in the space I want to connect with you and it’s just so beautiful and so I may be 5 or 10 different groups that are all women in blockchain and art projects in blockchain it is it is really unbelievable I’m actually really excited for the South by Southwest there is a bunch of the crypto Queens are coming down we’ve been talking about doing a documentary about women in crypto and I just hope that I get to interview them 10 minutes with each one in super supportive so it’s been quite interesting and of course there is still competition with in here and there but for the most part I find that women are really supportive of each other I also have been working with swarm City and the storm funds quite a bit I meant Joel from Joel Dietz from swarm and we talked about a bunch our projects and all the stuff happening and you express a lot of interest in supporting both blockchain art projects and women equality so I know swarm is now sitting around the survey to try to make sure that there are as many women as men users and their platform that’s really exciting and also so many surveys about how they want the tokens to be used and so on are hungry to include the community that’s what’s Tim Meadows all about right and that’s what these events are all about so I think I think we’re doing pretty good so far and I see how much more collaboration is going to is going to start happening you know just from from these telegram groups and how excited everybody is and and also how cool is that that we have telegram instead all our messages so that the government can hover information are private conversations it’s just it’s amazing we weave I feel sad about the fact that Facebook and all these social media platform orny or Cuban connection you know I honestly have so many thoughts where I say I don’t care if Facebook knows all my information or if they own all my media I just want to be able to share photos of my friends in Argentina and this is the easiest form so how sad is it that we were okay with all of our privacy and information being exploited and people making money off of us just because we’re so starved for human connection so I’m really excited to be able to do the same things we’ve been doing and use the good parts of Technology like social media in a way that it also filled up our pockets and our Spirits you know that is music to my ears thank you so much I’m so glad that I I mean I just just the fact that your video came up right after cryptos news and we’re in this moment have his conversation this is all such beautiful music to my ears and yeah it’s been I mean in my field in the world of Tantra sacred sexuality sexual healing in just the I think the most important thing in my studies in my experience for healing a planet and really saving the Earth is really being instrumental and being conducive to two women Sisterhood and a healthy positive empowering way and actually creating more financial Independence so that women as mothers can have more freedom and power and actual means to make more independent decisions with their bodies with their with their you know how they how much even breastfeeding I mean the most people don’t know that it’s pretty much understood that about 5 years is a typical pre-industrial young length of time to be breastfeeding infants on demand and imagine the kind of infrastructure changes that have to happen for that to be possible in the modern world but if anything’s going to make it happen it’s going to be the fruit of the work that people like you were doing and that’s as you know might just sort of Public Service Announcement about you know a sort of futuristic crypto feminism you know that I said that I want to contribute to I want to see happen is this more and more working together and in collaboration So yeah thank you for helping with that and Centric energy and learning some teachings of something that it’s pretty recent to me maybe two years and there’s so much to learn and I found so much healing and in all of these intersections of psychedelics meditation 10 trick work and crypto and it’s it’s so bizarre and no way to talk about technology and evolution and money in the same line that we talked about psychedelics and in self-healing love and all of this to no life force of energy but it is all the same thing it’s it’s just growing us a more compassionate and accepting loving human race you know that’s what it’s all about and at the same time that I’m really excited about all of these blockchain as a vehicle for 4 change I am really concerned about Wi-Fi and radiation and you know of course all of these a chemtrail crazy stuff that we put ourselves through so I’m putting out the intention into calling for more people to get involved in to figure it out other ways to connect the other internet in a way that it’s not so destructive for us and so there’s not some natural solutions and then there’s simple things we can do like turning off wi-fi at night when you go to sleep and self-education on this on this topic but I would love to hear more like I said Solutions and privacy are are something that we are now noticing that we need to work on more at the same time that we develop all these amazing systems right we need to wear we’re kind of like it’s floating and all this magical ways and now we need to start creating the containers that will keep us a lines into our missions as well yeah absolutely absolutely awesome well yeah I’m getting about 2 or if you’ll just totally mind blown and totally satiated by learning all this stuff all this great stuff that you’re doing do you feel free now to take some time to promote your efforts and talk about we have coming up in the future will people can be looking out for and and yeah we’ll we’ll call it a good introduction to hopefully we can also keep in touch on going up next and that is the exist festival.com that it’s a beautiful project where we are just connecting more and more people doing similar events and hoping that we can continue to collaborate so if anybody’s interested in anything that we’re doing please reach out there’s room for you to be fully creative in your own way and like I said it’s not about competition the abundance is there and in so many ways so that is South by Southwest Austin and then we have token Fest in San Francisco I will be there as well and then we have an art party in the bay somewhere so all this information will be on social media that is at my new brakes on Twitter or breaks on Instagram and I wanted to mention. So I most recently connected with gel polish and he’s doing art for addicts and he has a lot of projects going on in that world so I’m really excited to get more involved in healing the process of healing ourselves through ART and handling addiction because I believe technology is also an addiction right so being able to create those containers again and also few initiatives for the cleaning up the oceans and ocean token and just so many good projects coming up so anyway that I can that I can help or help you connect with those who will get you to where you want to be the green miners we clean energy any of that please reach out to me I would love to help out cool thank you again so much now Newburgh city has been such a pleasure and yet again thank you for just allowing me to be impulsive and send a message out to you and get you on the show and to know also that your ear integrating some the tantric wisdom in and works into your life it’s so exciting and I agree this is all just one big Kundalini blockchain Bliss Bellini black seamless hashtag that will be in touch in the future and thank you again so much sounds good thank you so much have a beautiful night. 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Decrypting the Cyberdelic Revolution with Lorenzo Hagerty TPP126

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Lorenzo Hagerty PicIn this episode I’m joined by one of my favorite podcast hosts Lorenzo Hagerty of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. A dear friend turned me on to the podcast back in 2008, I binge listened to catch up and have been on board ever since.  Lorenzo’s endearing charm, sharp wit, and scathing critiques of the dominator culture all all of its systems have made me a big fan of the show. It was a great honor to be able to explore the depth of his personal life journey and discuss an array of crypto-anarchist and techno-shamanic histories and futures. Finally, we compare notes and speculate on some of Terrence Mckenna’s attitudes towards psychedelics and tantric spirituality.

After our discussion, I include a spoken word piece I recorded called “McKennisms” which is my reading of several of my favorite Terence Mckenna quotes from the many lectures on the Psychedelic Salon that I’ve taken notes on over the years.

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About Lorenzo:

Lorenzo Hagerty is currently best known as the host of the Psychedelic Salon podcast. He came to podcasting through a circuitous route that included being a writer, keynote speaker, and Internet/e-Commerce consultant. He holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Electrical Engineering from the University of Notre Dame and a Doctor of Jurisprudence degree from the University of Houston. His eclectic career also included being a sailing instructor, Naval officer, hot air balloon pilot, electrical engineer, and lawyer. In August of 2017 he celebrated his 75th birthday.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello Jay beloved’s welcome to Township on podcast episode number 126 I am joined by Lorenzo Hagerty the host of the Psychedelic Salon podcast and this is such a treat for me I must say because I have been a fan for many years now I’ve listened to the entire podcast backlog and it’s really the best curated sort of audio Museum of all things psychedelic guy that have been recorded an audio and it really is a treasure chest of information and an education entertainment and one of the best audio Archives of Terence McKenna’s talks amongst many other Visionaries and leaders of the Psychedelic movement different waves throughout the recent decades and Lorenzo has been that he’s always given bits of information about his personal life and and pathan story and it’s just fascinating everything has come through and so I really thought it would be great service to give Renzo a chance to just kind of consolidate and speak openly about his personal path and what led him to this world has been playing to curate all this content and its really a it’s really empowering and it’s itchy I get I just can’t thank you enough for Enzo for creating this resource in really holding a being a scribe and and holding the space for for the Psychedelic Society to really take hold this is scaffolding of it and so many people have to have been able to gain so much from your work in here with that said that if you just like to introduce yourself and then start wherever you want about your life stories just people can get it a good sense of your your personal Journey okay that’s the first Twilight I think we got to give all the thanks really to you know Terence McKenna Timothy Leary and all of the all of the speakers. Of planking aren’t they in their lectures to me this is a hobby to play their lectures and I put some of my commentary out there but the bulk of the information is all coming from these other people so you know I don’t deserve all the credit for that because I like listening to this stuff and I said well I’ll just play it actually I got into podcasting accidentally I I’ve been I’ve been giving some speeches or talks I should say at the various and Sundry conferences like mine States and and I’d started the Palenque Norte lecture series at Burning Man in a burning man has had one or two talks given before but I 2003 my wife and I built a whole series with Derrick Davis and Alex and Allyson grey and and Daniel pinchbeck and Bruce damer and a whole lot of people like that an extra middle lecture series out of it and that’s still going on I don’t I’ve been to Burning Man myself since 2007 but a bunch of younger people have picked it up and so the planking Norte series is going on and what has happened is is that first one back in 2003 I this is before podcasting and so I took the audio of that look it up in 2 hours of audio I broke it up into little 10 minutes segments of the files be small enough to download because you know there was no no procedure for it then and at the a mine States conference friend of mine said hey I’m going to start podcasting can I use your stuff from Palenque and I said sure and then after months went by and nothing happened I got a hold of me as well and I’m not going to do it after all I said well then you won’t mind if I do it because course not your stuff can I put the first one out and then the next one and the next one and and I was just really playing with the technology cuz I’m Kiki and over time it just started building and then it was came all got a hold of me and the dope fiend over in London and the three of us all three were doing podcast kind of reinforced one another in made it through actually came home and I are still podcasting a dope fiend has gone on to other things but it was really kind of interesting back in the beginning cuz nobody really know what podcasting was going to evolve into and I try to keep it as a hobby I’ve never even use Google ads on my site you know it’s I get donations from people from time to time is it it’s been enough to keep us going I’ve had in the beginning I had to put a little out of pocket but instead of break you in and so real comfortable and so it’s it’s a community thing and you know I don’t keep logs I don’t do advertising because a lot of our listeners are kind of young or their insensitive jobs like in the military or police force and track my Google and all these other companies so I tried to keep it clean that way but I never started out in the beginning of my life I I just turned 75 last week and it never occurred to me that in my old age I would be raised in the midwest now is what’s now Chicago suburb is a little town outside of Chicago and I was an Irish Catholic kid in a little tight box and I was born free baby boomer I was at War baby born in 1942 and so we were kind of stuck in that that awkward place to where your parents were the the depression generation and we wanted to please him I was the oldest son had one younger brother and and he got into the baby boom generation he came in 47 and we really had a lot of differences in the in the way we grew up in any vaults but I Tire I found myself at the age of 42 president of a computer company in Dallas Texas and I was an Irish Catholic Republican lawyer that was in nineteen Nineteen Eighty-Four when MDMA or at the time on the street is called ecstasy was legal and a lot of people are aware of it cuz ecstasy you don’t evolve into all kinds of names and Molly and stuff like that but the original pure MDMA hit the streets in Dallas of all places where it was used a lot on the west coast and therapy thousands literally thousands of therapists have been trained to use it in their sessions it was all legal and here I was in in the heart of the Bible of the Buckle of the Bible Belt and running a computer company in midlife crisis and stuff like that and the friend of mine got a hold of me and said hey have you heard of ecstasy and I said no what is it and I said well it’s a new drug that’s legal in Dallas where is all happening in so long story short mutual friends end up eventually became a drug dealer and I was using the sales of that to cash flow my computer company but it became legal and lot of things happened so I had to leave Dallas I went to Florida and lay low for a while but that was the beginning of my psychedelic career I was 42 years old Vietnam veteran lawyer Texas lawyer had never never smoke cannabis in. I was on the straight and narrow and then then I found MDMA and my life changed completely wow so what kind of what kind of something I found really fascinating as a flu season over the years is that you have a very strategic position to understand this these new dimensions of empowerment and decentralisation through web-based technology you’ve been a programmer or developer and there’s a lot happening in quote cyberdelic space to call when your terms then. I’m curious what what type of what was your path into Computing in your path into programming and development in and how is that in college I took I think we had two options take to computer course I graduated in 1964 and the computer that we learn 9 was an IBM 1620 it but I was just fascinated with computers but then you know after college I did a little quick stint as a stuntman in the movies and then I to dodge the I join the Navy and spent four years in the Navy and and yeah I was just on that track is in law school went back to finish law school practice law but all this time I was just fascinated with computers and so by this time I’m living up in Dallas working with a multi-level marketing company in and I had this I don’t think I’ve ever told I had this perfect system I thought to manage money while you’re playing craps and I wanted to I wanted to go to Vegas and beat the craps table but I needed a computer to test this thing out and this is mrs. before the the TRS trash80 before anything the Apple I think the apple one was out and I don’t think the Apple II and come out yet but I I bought it a salt 20 and head that soldered all together myself and and I programmed it and I started working on it and just one thing led to another and like I said I was doing multi marketing and I thought she you know these computers take a lot of explaining to tell people about it so I private labeled the exidy Sorcerer And started a multi-level marketing company in and I never got back to my project with a crap table and Stephanie I had had 3000 part-time Distributors around the country and you know I had a four-color picture and story in Forbes Magazine made the front page of the Wall Street Journal and then IBM got in the business and crushed us like a bug but so I was I was from then on you know I had to know I started my own computer company in then it went out of business along with a lot of us knew each other the beginning Ash is great fun and and I have no regrets about that and actually I’m kind of glad that we got forced out of the business because she is a real Cutthroat business but long story short after Many Adventures and winding up in Florida through a series of I became the Verizon I became their internet evangelist and I had first of all I had I’d started their first multi computer-based training CBT they hadn’t done any of that I put their first big manual on CD-ROM you know I did a lot of stuff I got into the end of of data services in wound up being the internet evangelist for the company and they just will be around the world to speak at conferences it was it was like the best job I ever had nice expense account lot of money I was single no girlfriend and I went down to this conference and Palenque Mexico with Terence McKenna Slater I left my job and I was living out here in the west coast so long story short Hunter wants told me they couldn’t help me because I had no career path and that’s really true you know I’ve been a electrical engineer and a lawyer and a computer programmer and a motivational speaker and a business owner a stuntman in the movies in the sailing instructor and a hot air balloon pilot commercial I got a commercial came Palenque and I came out here to California met my wife in Palenque and and I moved out here in July of 99 I took a leave of absence from Verizon and I just never made it back so I don’t know if I’m officially retired or not but can I complain about the phone company every bit as much as everybody else and I even did when I worked for him so but you know I was in the right place at the right time for many things for example in Dallas that was Ground Zero for MDMA and then when I got involved with the Verizon it’s when they bought BBM but bolt bernacki and Newman the company that built the first router and really started the internet 69 and so I got to work with and meet some of those people like the guy that came up with the at sign for email and stuff like that you know so I got to hear some of those old stories and eventually I wrote a book called The Spirit of the internet that is still may be the only book that talks about the internet is being a psychedelic experience because in many ways it is just means mind-manifesting and but you can trip on the internet to spend three days playing a game wow that’s amazing so you say you were transformed and brought it with you at all done a fine with hippie culture or environmentalism or anything I’m just curious what the what really soften and open your heart to Gaia the guy in mind and all of the Eco memes that that Terrance was famous for now. Did you have some kind of melting experience do Ayahuasca or trip to some beautiful place or just curious and I was always sympathetic to the the hippie movement in in high school I read beat literature I was big fan of the beets and and actually on hoses January 14th 1967 I was an Ensign in the Navy I was married had a three-year-old son and my ship was in the shipyard in Hunters Point which we had to drive through there are several times a week and then just had the major first big major US Senate race riot was in Hunters Point in October that year 66 anyhow I’m at morning January 14th is a Saturday and on weekends my now ex-wife and I would take our little boy down to the lake at Golden Gate Park to feed the ducks and geese and this particular morning we noticed a lot of lot of freaks and buy more people there that was the day of the BM and we left the parking around 10 I need to be in was wrong one it was little difference anyhow you know I knew that was going on and I was living in San Francisco at the time and it’s saying all these hippies and we were getting ready to go over to Vietnam and you know I’ve done enough reading to know that I joined the Navy to. Dodge the draft without the draft I wouldn’t have done that and here I was stuck with a four-year commitment the Navy and heading to war and seeing all these peace love and hippies that you know I never never forgot that feeling about boy did I make a wrong turn somewhere and so when I had my first MDMA experience in 84 and people don’t realize this and I’ve had almost everybody I’ve helped on their first experience say the same thing everybody’s expecting some kind of a you know freaky drug experience with every white Wavy Gravy lines and all but MDMA done right the first thing people say is you know I felt like this before it was when I was really young on a beautiful summer day or something like that and it brings you back to to that state and I was at a point in my life like I said I was 42 years old my company was having cash flow problems and marriage wasn’t as sound as it should have been and all of the stuff goes on at that point in somebody’s life hit me at the same time and then I found MDMA and it it was just such a transformative experience my my wife at the time and I start doing it together and and centrally is couples therapy I did it with some Vietnam vets and had some some therapy and I decided that I didn’t know how but this was an area of my life I was somehow going to pursue shoe and actually back then in in 86 I started corresponding with the Rick doblin even before he started Maps he was about the only person in that you can find who is standing up in public and talking about it at the time and I just kind of had a shirttail relationship to the the after I left Dallas to the whole scene a friend of mine live in the country house in Tampa at the time and a friend of mine live in the country in Outback in behind this house has helped field and the Cow Patties heavy little mushrooms growing on them so we had all kinds of magic mushroom trips and stuff and so at the time he was a couple years older than me in and we thought we were the only two people our age that we’re still doing psychedelics that’s how disconnected we were in the Mundo 2010 it was this article by guy named Terence McKenna now this is in in 1994 is the first time I’ve heard of Terence McKenna and he was in that Mando thing was several years later in 98 I was I got a bunch of junk mail and and there was just nothing from Omega Institute never is Terence McKenna you know I was single had money lot of vacation time so I went up to Omega to experience Terence McKenna and that was for real life experience in first conversation I had with him he said you need to go to Palenque and I did and change my life my wife was Charlie Groves research nurse for his psilocybin in the life study and she know she’s been she’s been going to Terence McKenna lectures since 1982 and we got quickly involved in a really good group of people out here in the coast and LA area call Kathleen work at a seminar us out of Salon Kathleen Salon is a third Friday of every month and in Venice and it was amazing how she had all kinds of people come and talk and you know it it reminds me somewhat of a what my vision of a communist cell meeting in Chicago in the 30s or something rash but you know one of the guys is there I’m blocking his name now but he’s the professor I forget where he’s teaching now maybe he’s on the East Coast but he was at UCLA and he’s the guy that wrote the medical marijuana law for the state of Washington which is a real tragedy I think I was very good job but the Gnostic Bishop from LA on night he shows up and he’s he’s this Old Gentleman and he’s he’s all dressed up the pretty fancy has a vest on a Watch chain and a real thick accent and and I thought this is going to be pretty boring and he starts out with his thick Hungarian accent and says LSD is the most important thing that ever happened to me so I met so many people through that salon and send Myron stolaroff and Myron was really one of the key figures in in the 60s that a book called what the Dormouse said give him credit with three other people for starting the whole personal computer Revolution his hand up it was running the Menlo Park Institute which was where over 300 oil 350 some people went through there but it was it was to take LSD two and can’ts creativity and most of the Homebrew Computer Club went through their the Xerox Parc people went through their the SR I went through all of these people in Silicon Valley Heavy’s LSD experiences but they did it so differently there then what’s going on today is that I think you had to go through several weeks of training before your LSD trip and you had to go out for some kind of therapy sessions and they gave him carbogen to to feel the experience and a short blast and garbage and something people aren’t aware of but it was was used back in the in the 50s and 60s in LSD research so that before a subject took LSD they would give him a carbogen trip and it says 75% oxygen and 25% carbon dioxide and I’ve never done it but apparently I’ve talked to both Myron and Duncan blue and to Jim fadiman and they say that it is a very much like maybe five or 600 mic Acid trip but it only lasts for a matter of minutes and you know you don’t know how to read you’re not going to get this information and so painting a mural in a community where the art is available to everybody and you can just stand in front of it and be curious feel sad feel happy feel whatever it is and ignite your curiosity for your own research that is insanely powerful and I know that because I have cried in front of murals I have taken pictures in front of murals at that made me realize something about myself and that is one aspect right off the the the massive descale Arts that can that can provide a message for an entire community in the other aspect is supporting these artists you know myself and then everybody else who I see struggling so much to do what they love and they’re so good at it and and disciplined enough wells in the right hands is an opportunity for us to fill up every single block of the chain you note for the artist to paint if that’s what they want to do the visual artist want a fan or the artist want to make music or the artist who I want to create experiences that are interactive and then for the people who are good at managing and just love discovering and helping and connecting to do just that and do not have to do all the other things and for the web developers to develop the west side I see just amongst my own friends and connections here how much energy and time we’re wasting by not working together and so the more people I meet in the blockchain crypto blockchain connection space the more I want to all of us to do our shows and commercials together because it makes no sense for everybody to be spending their energy resources in in building a website if you hate billing website you know like if you want to paint just paint and then we’ll find people to build a website for you and and I’ve encountered a lot of people fear based in this space who are all about competition and want to do their nails and they don’t want anything to do with other brands and then I encourage I mean I’ve encountered so many more people on the collaborative side and that’s where an archipelago what I felt that are not a couple, but I felt like ripping psychedelic people were down to connect and they said yes to all the projects and let’s get on a phone call and it doesn’t matter who you are or where you come from if you want to help and it’ll I’m supposed to let you know and that is really refreshing and I think that’s the the Psychedelic or open-minded or meditation more expensive way of looking at this movement also go do you want to talk more about to just practicing meditation and what sort of how your your spiritual processes and maybe tips you have for people who are coming into here wanting to participate in this technology space and an actually starting to you know they say the first time you start to have some actual games in your cryptocurrency portfolio than I can say from experience I just want to give my life to the movement because it’s changed my life so much and I want to just be a service but I’m not a coder and I’m not really I’m kind of a wannabe geek so imagine making this cultural Ambassador you know doing that like if we were talking about him in franchising people you have said yes to Justin tips about what it’s like to be adapting to this new that mean you’re providing a platform for people to express themselves in your finding people like me who you know I’m nobody in this world and at the same time I very I feel like I’m a very important piece of the puzzle and I haven’t always felt that way my own SoCal you wasn’t where it’s at and I you know I need the others and you need the others and so you already doing so much and I really appreciate you reaching out and wanting to give a voice to people like me who maybe you’re not on the you know I feel like I’m behind the scenes a lot and now you can’t necessarily reach out to to you know I don’t know bigger a larger what it’s called platforms and say Authority terribly I need to speak on this or be on a panel specifically and yet at the same time so many opportunities like this have presented themselves to me like being on humans of Bitcoin or the libertarian Radio free talk live or your show and so many others and so it’s it’s such a beautiful synchronous synchronicity how we all find each other and I’m being hard open to supporting each other and that’s what it’s all about so to me when people ask me what is a blockchain artist what makes you a crypto artist or what how can I get involved in this way if I don’t have any coding skills or if I don’t have any if I don’t feel like a nerd at hard or any or if I don’t have any connection the truth is that most of the people that are even curious about this movement or that believe in Freedom are already a part of this movement you know what I mean and it’s just lack of Education or lack of information and lack of system or container though it’s being created right now and so anything that you care about and if you respect freedom and the evolution of humankind through compassion and love that is blockchain with me and I know it sounds really extreme for some people but it’s really is I mean if your yoga teacher you can download and secure whatever wallet of your choice I love Edge they you know they just upgraded to their shape-shifting converting application which I didn’t have before and I just downloaded it and it’s my favorite wallets I always recommend that you use in a hot while they’re on your phone you can just download something like that in three seconds and all of a sudden your yoga teacher who takes crypto you know what I mean it in Seoul I’m in this is what I do at my my events like that we have the exist festival.com for South by Southwest and is not an official South by event is a disruptive one because even though I love songs by and I painted a giant mural for South by that’s going to be showing at the Expo Center for Austin Rodeo I love what they’re doing so many ways they’ve also turn down quite a few female speakers for the blockchain panel and I don’t know enough about what they’re doing and I’m sure there’s reasons why everybody dusted the things I do but I think it’s important to set up other events are outside of the you know of the gates of South by in the rules and so on so that’s what we do at our events you know we set up a men’s where where we can bring in a bunch of artists who have never heard of a crypto before or who are interested in it and teach him how to download a wallet and then make their sales are there vending whatever they’re running t-shirts and arts and whatever in crypto in there you got like that’s all it takes so when I get on an Uber or Lyft or Rideshare I asked them if they take crypto and they look at me like I’m crazy then I showed them how to download the wallet and then I took them in crypto and when I go to any any local shop or any restaurant I just automatically always ask do you take pepto and they just look at me confused and then they ask and then I tell them and so it’s just word of mouth and that’s it very small way in which and how we can educate each other just ask about it as if it’s part of your normal life because to me and to you it is you know and so the more people we have on the system to better that easier we’re all going to to evolve within this I don’t know if the answer is exactly the question who want to just be ya be a part of the movement and and adapt and actually alter reality one day at a time just with whatever means you have you know yeah that’s exciting is that you know I’ve had I’ve had a similar kind of weather journey of just wanting to onboard friends and just get people excited about it and really the best way to do it is just to get them started with some in just a few or I’m going to split the mule and give you your you know percentage of Crypt or whatever and and that just gets that gets the party started for for anybody and I see why you’re talking I was imagining they’re being a i y bet there’s got to be some art galleries in the world that just give what is QR codes on every piece so in case you don’t want to buy it you can just tip the artist while you’re there be a white of all the art that I’m so like thrilled to behold in my eyes when I go to an art gallery I would go in there with a budget to tip all the all the artist that I thought really blew my mind you know that’s a whole number and thank you for saying that because I seriously have been wanting to make a video on this for so long thank you for reminding me I want I want all the spray paint artist mural is due to get a QR code stencil and so many times that I’ve been moved by a mural and I yeah you can buy it and you can buy a piece by the artist I’m just freaking said man like $1 a hundred people $1 and then you go home and the artist girl out in the world like how insanely amazing about education if nobody told me that I could do better if I wasn’t a part of this movement I would not have either. So yes I think every Gallery should have a key or code next to their pieces for sure and hopefully work making it easier and easier to have these things be more accessible and just like you said you know split a meal and pay in in crypto just like you would do with venmo or PayPal is very easy and another thing that I think is important to mention is that at first when Bitcoin came out in the early adopters now that Bitcoin was more like a Welsh holding system and still now you know it’s people assume that that you have to have a lot of money to get into crypto but I love the people at and dash dash people talked about this a lot and then cash and Litecoin you don’t fast transaction this is a system that I believe in I’m so tired of using Banks and I’m so tired of using Fiat I don’t want it anymore so I don’t actually hold its on a crypto I’m not at a point where my Abundant Life reflects in my in my wallet but I do get to use crypto every day to do my everyday things and every time a little more and so even if you just want to download a wallet and put 10 bucks into either or 10 bucks into like going or Dash or whatever your favorite currency is just put it there and do nothing with it and check it again in a month and see what happens or just how about you don’t have something like $100 and whenever you go do something if they take crypto you can transfer that and just start really small it’s it’s such a mountain of information that I can be very overwhelming I sign up for a steaming a couple a couple weeks ago and I’ve heard about steemit for for those of you who don’t know it’s a platform like it has all these different channels you can blog writing you can put up videos it’s basically a decent realized turn off all the social media that we use today so right now if you comment on YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or Instagram you don’t get paid for your value and reviewing people’s content but on steemit you basically get rewarded for being an active member of the community you get paid for voting for curating and you can receive a lot of steam power and crypto money basically for producing good content that is useful to people and it cannot be tamed innocence other than by the users and the population and so it’s a really amazing system in everyone’s use it for a long time but I was kind of intimidating by it finally I made an account into two and a half weeks to clear which is insane and and I’ve been getting super overwhelmed with learning how to use it and I just try to continue to watch one video day and do little things at a time and in no time I’ll be an expert you know that’s all it takes so just I hope that people don’t get over Round And if you’re curious just continue learning just a little bit at a time you don’t have to be an expert overnight exactly. I’m glad yes team is amazing and probably going to totally crush it on there just is it doing writing published his stuff it’s been specially in the crypto space is people that it’s amazing some of the mounts you can get off of that and it shows you how big data is really extracting so much value from users of platforms and it’s it’s it’s not going to be long before just because it’s free means that you just give them all your data and sign away the property rights and all that stuff is is going to be replaced by this micropayment ecosystems where people can support each other you know value in the content that they consume and and being really well well supported in and I think it’s going to do the asking to do a lot of amazing some of her friends yesterday we were talking about all them you know thousands of jobs disappearing as robots take over and Singularity and all the stuff and at some point in my life I was really concerned about this you know yet where are aliens off drivers truck drivers going to go when we have also if driving cars do you know all the stuff but the answer is blanching all these people will be doing things in blockchain I will be getting paid well for it and it’ll take less time and I mean from the Tim Ferriss 4-Hour Work Week on and everything. Having high developments off technology and be more efficient with our time does not mean that we is not does not need to be scary you know there’s a lot of stuff within fast Evolution that is that is concerning to me specially how fast were developing and growing and how our security initiatives are not all the party yet and I think we’re getting there so there’s a lot of concern of course but anyting however I don’t think that we all really grasp or we’re starting to now how how much we really don’t have to work 90 hours a week or whatever the ridiculous things we do you know that the whole point of this is that micro payments and micro contributions from everybody involved will react what time for us to to be humans to exist to just let me know this is such an interesting new development in the sort of f have that imprint of a techno dystopia since childhood from all the Sci-Fi and I watched it and then you know you imagine this world where humans are made up sleep by robotic technology and Ai and I’ve been pretty sure that those prospects especially now is drones of coming to the picture and now I really feel like it as of this moment this kind of is really the undeniable presence in the now of both of those dystopic seems coming coming nauseous to come to life but coming into existence but then as you’re saying which is actually so Redemptive for sheep the human soul is that like she was an example something might you might have some thoughts on as far as empowerment but it’s like the the sort of this myth of the scarcity of worthwhile productive labor that can be done with from picking up trash to planting trees to cleaning up toxic waste like through the blockchain micropayments and sort of micro temporary employment contracts that can really enfranchise all the homeless people to get a micro crypto payment without actually showing up and waiting in line to get in the welfare program or get into a you know some sort of job placement program you can just be like you know you show up on the there’s some spill like a whip there’s some kind of cleanup has to happen and people can just mop it and and have day labor crypto payments and there will really never be a gap between meaningful work and and fair pay and there’s plenty of wealth in the crypto world alone to finance stuff like that and even if you know whether it’s through a nonprofit system or through taxes done I mean I’m not going to endorse taxes in general but but you kind of know what I’m saying so how do you feel about that you feel like that’s the direction we’re going to go and there are so many projects that have mind-blowing for example the green miners are looking into mining basically with all green energy from turning trash into clean energy so that things like Bitcoin mining don’t have to take resources as we know them now and there are so many projects in the space for cleaning up the oceans and cleaning up the air and I’m bringing food to the right places and replanting trees and replenishing the soil I mean there if you think of any good initiatives going on in the world for every single one of them there is at least one crypto person who is trying to intercept and connect and there are some barriers you know like the the extreme hippies and I don’t mean that in any negative or positive connotation specifically just outside another word to use like the Crypt on earth and the cryptic Crypt of hippies and all these people like hippies like me back in the day when I when I was in Turkish hippie confused and all of this integrating technology and really scared of it I never imagined in my life that I would be here talking about technology I like but at the same time I see like you said you know how directly this has impacted my life I live a better life I can eat better food because I have my bills taken care of more often because I am connecting projects that feed my soul in that feed my pocket and and it’s just it’s just acknowledge he’s not going anywhere so yes hearing drones zooming around in the air concerns me especially there’s no privacy laws about this and I’m sure I am in plenty of videos just public random videos of people have of course all that is concerning to me but at the same time if I can get drones to massively plant trees and water them creating on cleaning water and stain of away and replenishing the Salt Lake of course I want that also so it’s a fine balance you knowing yeah there’s just there’s just so many opportunities and I’m a very hopeful first person you know and Technologies not going anywhere in the craziest disasters are going on in the world are very real and I’m very aware of my privilege and I’m honored for just being able to be a voice and a part of this movement in any way but if you are truly concerned if you’re a person sitting there and you are really really against technology my best advice to you is to get involved you know what I mean just get involved and make sure that our our moral compasses are still true and that our time is being used efficiently because while I think it’s piercing experiencing abundance is a really healing thing for our communities that happen monkey trained into scar City and fear so I think that having lavish parties in exotic places when they are led by the right Compass when we’re doing no trash Left Behind when we’re also feeding and in helping those communities those are beautiful experiences I think also it’s very easy to fall into the you know greedy egotistical side of things and so we can be people on the sidelines criticizing this movement or we can just Dive Dive Right In whichever way feels comfortable to you and try to help from within you know absolutely yeah amazing so do you want to take can you talk a bit about you know obviously not to be tokenizing but I was really thrilled to know that Amanda B Johnson is the spokes person for Dash and they have a sort of a in the dash consensus system they’re they’re holding their whole their whole technological platform on the basis of it there’s money allocated in there sitting there a crypto economic ecosystems to support people in in roles as delegates and Advocates and Educators and I’m I’m wondering if you have some thoughts on connecting with or have you connected with women in crypto and just having more solidarity and more initiatives that are women lead and women find it and having the the voice and the the wisdom of Sisterhood in the crypto space which is is seriously it’s I don’t know I wouldn’t say this that I understand to be hyper sexist or it’s just a typically gender imbalance in technology for various reasons of course and but this is one of the most inviting and open-minded for thinking space is so I’m just curious if you have thoughts understand that aspect I do and I just want to throw in really quickly that Dash is doing some incredible incredible things to use this new currency in the everyday lives of people and changing a lot I mean I spoke with Danny the other day from the Crypt of showing radio station and just some of the projects he shared with me that they’re doing going to orphanage orphanage is camping outside open and to defend that old homes and rebuilding after after earthquakes all of these weren’t the weather doing in Mexico and helping people from the US and for Mexico to send each other Dash instead of Fiat you know making it super useful super accessible for them and actually turning crypto into into resources are they need whether it’s a new fan for their ceiling or food or whatever and so they are doing a lot of work right on the ground and putting you know when ATMs in crypto ATM there just it is amazing to see this dystopian Society for good and bad is already here as completely I mean crypto is already being used in so many daily activities all the time so much more that we know and I know that documentaries are being created and they will be available to all of us soon and every time more but there is so much more happening than we even inside are aware of you know every time I talk with anybody is it blows my mind all the projects are going on in and that this is the Hood part of it is another one and there are all these telegram groups going around some of them are called crypto women badass women in blockchain you know he’s different name there’s this group on Facebook called crypto queens and I have found some amazing amazing humans are working with the UN and women investing in women and funding each other’s projects and the Miami Conference the North America Miami Conference Bitcoin conference I had this one person run up to me this woman and she said hi sister if you’re a woman here I pretty much want to connect with you and she added me to his telegram group and I stole that from her in the best possible way so every time I’m at any blockchain event I run up to the women and I said Hey sister if you’re a woman in the space I want to connect with you and it’s just so beautiful and so I may be 5 or 10 different groups that are all women in blockchain and art projects in blockchain it is it is really unbelievable I’m actually really excited for the South by Southwest there is a bunch of the crypto Queens are coming down we’ve been talking about doing a documentary about women in crypto and I just hope that I get to interview them 10 minutes with each one in super supportive so it’s been quite interesting and of course there is still competition with in here and there but for the most part I find that women are really supportive of each other I also have been working with swarm City and the storm funds quite a bit I meant Joel from Joel Dietz from swarm and we talked about a bunch our projects and all the stuff happening and you express a lot of interest in supporting both blockchain art projects and women equality so I know swarm is now sitting around the survey to try to make sure that there are as many women as men users and their platform that’s really exciting and also so many surveys about how they want the tokens to be used and so on are hungry to include the community that’s what’s Tim Meadows all about right and that’s what these events are all about so I think I think we’re doing pretty good so far and I see how much more collaboration is going to is going to start happening you know just from from these telegram groups and how excited everybody is and and also how cool is that that we have telegram instead all our messages so that the government can hover information are private conversations it’s just it’s amazing we weave I feel sad about the fact that Facebook and all these social media platform orny or Cuban connection you know I honestly have so many thoughts where I say I don’t care if Facebook knows all my information or if they own all my media I just want to be able to share photos of my friends in Argentina and this is the easiest form so how sad is it that we were okay with all of our privacy and information being exploited and people making money off of us just because we’re so starved for human connection so I’m really excited to be able to do the same things we’ve been doing and use the good parts of Technology like social media in a way that it also filled up our pockets and our Spirits you know that is music to my ears thank you so much I’m so glad that I I mean I just just the fact that your video came up right after cryptos news and we’re in this moment have his conversation this is all such beautiful music to my ears and yeah it’s been I mean in my field in the world of Tantra sacred sexuality sexual healing in just the I think the most important thing in my studies in my experience for healing a planet and really saving the Earth is really being instrumental and being conducive to two women Sisterhood and a healthy positive empowering way and actually creating more financial Independence so that women as mothers can have more freedom and power and actual means to make more independent decisions with their bodies with their with their you know how they how much even breastfeeding I mean the most people don’t know that it’s pretty much understood that about 5 years is a typical pre-industrial young length of time to be breastfeeding infants on demand and imagine the kind of infrastructure changes that have to happen for that to be possible in the modern world but if anything’s going to make it happen it’s going to be the fruit of the work that people like you were doing and that’s as you know might just sort of Public Service Announcement about you know a sort of futuristic crypto feminism you know that I said that I want to contribute to I want to see happen is this more and more working together and in collaboration So yeah thank you for helping with that and Centric energy and learning some teachings of something that it’s pretty recent to me maybe two years and there’s so much to learn and I found so much healing and in all of these intersections of psychedelics meditation 10 trick work and crypto and it’s it’s so bizarre and no way to talk about technology and evolution and money in the same line that we talked about psychedelics and in self-healing love and all of this to no life force of energy but it is all the same thing it’s it’s just growing us a more compassionate and accepting loving human race you know that’s what it’s all about and at the same time that I’m really excited about all of these blockchain as a vehicle for 4 change I am really concerned about Wi-Fi and radiation and you know of course all of these a chemtrail crazy stuff that we put ourselves through so I’m putting out the intention into calling for more people to get involved in to figure it out other ways to connect the other internet in a way that it’s not so destructive for us and so there’s not some natural solutions and then there’s simple things we can do like turning off wi-fi at night when you go to sleep and self-education on this on this topic but I would love to hear more like I said Solutions and privacy are are something that we are now noticing that we need to work on more at the same time that we develop all these amazing systems right we need to wear we’re kind of like it’s floating and all this magical ways and now we need to start creating the containers that will keep us a lines into our missions as well yeah absolutely absolutely awesome well yeah I’m getting about 2 or if you’ll just totally mind blown and totally satiated by learning all this stuff all this great stuff that you’re doing do you feel free now to take some time to promote your efforts and talk about we have coming up in the future will people can be looking out for and and yeah we’ll we’ll call it a good introduction to hopefully we can also keep in touch on going up next and that is the exist festival.com that it’s a beautiful project where we are just connecting more and more people doing similar events and hoping that we can continue to collaborate so if anybody’s interested in anything that we’re doing please reach out there’s room for you to be fully creative in your own way and like I said it’s not about competition the abundance is there and in so many ways so that is South by Southwest Austin and then we have token Fest in San Francisco I will be there as well and then we have an art party in the bay somewhere so all this information will be on social media that is at my new brakes on Twitter or breaks on Instagram and I wanted to mention. So I most recently connected with gel polish and he’s doing art for addicts and he has a lot of projects going on in that world so I’m really excited to get more involved in healing the process of healing ourselves through ART and handling addiction because I believe technology is also an addiction right so being able to create those containers again and also few initiatives for the cleaning up the oceans and ocean token and just so many good projects coming up so anyway that I can that I can help or help you connect with those who will get you to where you want to be the green miners we clean energy any of that please reach out to me I would love to help out cool thank you again so much now Newburgh city has been such a pleasure and yet again thank you for just allowing me to be impulsive and send a message out to you and get you on the show and to know also that your ear integrating some the tantric wisdom in and works into your life it’s so exciting and I agree this is all just one big Kundalini blockchain Bliss Bellini black seamless hashtag that will be in touch in the future and thank you again so much sounds good thank you so much have a beautiful night. 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