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Sex, Drugs & Mostly Yoga with Kara Leah Grant TPP211

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In this episode I’m joined by a brave and courageous tantrika who shares a love for psychedelic spirituality and has been on a path of evolution set in motion by powerful transcendent drug experiences.

She shares her intense story of spiritual growing pains, navigating love and relationships, tantric initiation, and ultimately owning her power to teach and transmit the practices of tantra.

We talk about the differences between Yoga and yoga, the role of asanas and tantric practices in the path of self-realization and liberation, neo-tantra vs. classical tantra,  the role of psychedelics in aging and maturing spiritual practice, the interplay between the chakra system, the nervous system, and the endocrine system, the intersections of biomedical science and tantric art and science, and much more!

About Kara-Leah:

Born and raised in New Zealand, Kara-Leah is an internationally-renowned retreat leader, teacher and author. She has impacted millions of people over the last decade through her articles, books, videos and teaching. Passionate about liberation in this lifetime, Kara-Leah practices and teaches an every day path of awakening – the path of the Awakened Heart Warrior. This path is grounded in Tantra and focuses on dissolving layers of the conditioned mind into deeper and deeper heart-felt presence. Kara-Leah’s work, through her teaching, writing and retreats, focuses on using the process of compassionate inquiry to reveal conditioned mind, and so help people to drop down into being-ness and presence. She is the author of two previous books, Forty Days of Yoga and The No-More-Excuses Guide to Yoga. She can often be found dancing in her living room for no reason at all.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello David Lovitz welcome to Township on podcast episode number 211 I am here with Carly Grant and she is a touch of teacher and author and we’ve been connecting by social media and my interest is piqued with the title of her book sex drugs and most of the yoga field notes from a Kundalini Awakening has a very similar structure and and serve residents with the title of my forthcoming book and looking at so far the outline of the book I haven’t had time to fully enjoy it but to be able to get a sense of what How Deep The the rabbit hole goes it’s really exciting and I can’t wait to hear more about it in this will just kind of be the the primer and the incentive to go deeper in the future with her works better love to have you tell us kind of all about your personal background and then we can get into the evolution of this this writing that you’re doing and what you have offering what you working on the future gifts from my ex and a background I’m in my early forties now and then finally experienced in my life and for the Whistler ski Town it was an impact time of dance holidays and club and working and Hospitality sucking out the Mountain hiking in the mountains around America convergence are included to the practices and tell me if it’s a nightclub that may just like all of my possessions if I didn’t have enough self a wenis or knowledge to work with what was coming up so those things also. and I was at 4 time music please to Ocean blonde with my partner engaged in my fiance I just took me to the edge we took on the Friday night not a whole lot you know what your headaches to see on Friday night and then I may be going to a yoga class on acid which is doing mines post three times and is it a super teacher kind of looking at me funny and that just began this is skating unfolding shift in my perception of reality that long story short went from Bliss Wellness instant downloads of everything to eventually starting to go into deep trunks where I was speaking a foreign language my fiance he we can do it like I lost touch with reality and waking up in the psych ward guy what the fuk just happened to me inside that it was like trying to psychosis and then life post psychosis where I’m coming from that is very interesting and exciting and I’ve certainly had wow definitely profound otherworldly experiences where I was completely disconnected with consensus reality and ended up in some very bizarre situations in can commiserate on that as well but it sounds like also somewhat glorious do you want to talk about what insights that were happening and how long was it last thing in and just yeah can you can you even almost in a way channel the that you were at that time to to give us some some fun insights about the other side yeah absolutely on the fishing on his side so that happened was right on the new moon that experience and it was a Sunday morning that it began on Friday and sedated the Friday night and saw it was about five day experience to those who are astrological things happening in the sky and then a month later to my fiance ended up breaking up with me right side face before and that triggered a stick and experience of psychosis so I had two experiences and what was you gave me an opportunity to see how the stick and experience is triggered by my own emotional defense mechanisms and the way that I couldn’t handle the grief and I ended up disassociating and because I’d already my psyche was already right John is already to reduce a multi-dimensional reality inside that stick in his time there was a list of the translate State Police of the crate is coming through the wasn’t the language Exeter so going back to the experience it was extraordinary how to put it into words we just kind of go back and feel it was it was as if I dropped into knowing you know it just old things worth knowing is one way to describe at like anything that I needed to know I was at my fingertips I could just reach out and it was like I knew every witch every song every book dissolve at one point in the journey but it was also via quite strongly and other points and because the experience was being held by the the challenging relationship I was in a lot of ciaran Tiara coming up going to couldn’t communicate with my fiance cuz I was so worried or afraid of what he might think of what I was going through and he was looking at me like I was crazy and I can feel that so the whole experience was are the light with all of this fear of speaking truth and this way that I was kind of responding to his description of me as such so the where lots of different visions that came around the nature of reality and it was it was so the child that the world is different from what we told school and what we told and Society was being confirmed and just a little Winston’s to like it’s never about what we want and it’s always about what we need that I need for always be Mitch witch simplistic or like me what does it mean it’s not really a big deal everything just seems so important and so profound and so when I was trying to communicate this with my pain. He was just my voice doesn’t make any sense in like one thing I remember quite clearly as he was wearing glasses he needed glasses and I was trying to tell him that in the future we wouldn’t need to wear glasses that we were shifting into the what I was saying in the future and what was actually happening now and so I keep trying to take his glasses off him and tell him he didn’t need them of course he saw he needed them so it was like I had an ability to steal through time but it was very hard to ground that into recognize what was actually real for right now since I was really confused child and suddenly having all of these talents will gifts or abilities, and have no understanding or no way to put them in context or to ground them or two to use them it was incredibly confusing and since you’re fine and you’re very Blissful at the same time in like a deep sense of relaxation is well it was all happening at once interesting very time shake that distinction contrast between the Bliss and the terror and it’s a magician that I follow sometimes online and and he’s talking about really deep really edgy taboo kind of exploration spiritually and he says he’s a one-time very often you know the aha moment turns to oh shit and like I can I can get that sense xhilaration but also that the terror and so wild so cheap do you feel like you had any Transmissions from beings or entities or deities or anything of that nature any kind of like encounter type moments now there wasn’t any specific mbodied other beings that came true it was more like just the same to the wholeness of the Wonders and just knowing that would come through around like I knew that I had to return to New Zealand and I knew that I knew that was related to my mother and I related to my life Jenny what was required. The whole time. To really encourage my memory as much as I could with what I had to see it and then when I begin to do is to attempt to pass out to determine would like to see been truthful Vision or was that psychosis was at the the same scar I mean I was so laid him down with him scar is still so they will what was coming through so it was a real challenge for me to go right what was real and what was just the delusions that I was still laboring under and can I tease out the gold while sleeping the wrist and so it was more so in any language is a particular form of breathing like a hissing where I was speaking even as I was inhaling and exhaling and I had a beer and I was I remember quite clearly watching that passion and the other language that was coming through very much later like last year when I went and saw hitchhike on a hooptie section when she went through things was that I was missing a past life that I’ve had in the Egyptian mystery traditions in so that life was getting confused with me being here and now and now but if we not still. Join us we buy different lifetimes will bleed into the apparent here and now in a way that’s not useful because we haven’t eaten most of the ability to walk in those different Realms 2 walkthrough time whilst leaving things with a minute today yeah that’s very interesting actually was in a meditation group but I went to the one I think maybe just one time I went to this one particular group where they had this skill said that they would apply which was basically this really intentional really highly focused laser focused rotational I gazing where the train meditator would do the sort of left eye to left eye eye gazing with everybody who came to the meditation Circle and there were also practicing or tradition of meditating with your eyes open but they the masters of this path or the adepts of this path they would cultivate I can’t remember the exact methodology that they were following but it was replicable and it was it was very reliable that they could do this in and they would basically be able to once you lock into the eye gazing with them within a few may be a couple minutes of intense eye gazing you start they start to melt away and you start to see them change colors and phase through various genders and and and personalities and and and bodies and faces from there multiple lives and they’re basically scanning and seeing you so it’s almost like you’re you sure it’s almost like you just wear like a deck of cards you know or a deck of it and you just have whatever is in the current consensus reality on the surface of it but if you have one of these meditators going to shuffle your your lifetime Persona ask you no cards and then it’s a real powerful experience so I’m very much in a position to to validate your experience has it in for people who are I don’t know I don’t know how busy I’ve been such a Believer for so long now I just can’t even imagine people who would say that multiple lifetimes or reincarnation is is to woo woo or you out there just makes total sense to me and I’ve had enough I haven’t had what I think some people mainly love Ayahuasca people I know they will the ones who who are the sort of facilitators of Ceremonies some of them I just say a number of them who I know they kind of report this pattern of them if they do the medicine path you know rigorously honestly for however long it takes basically they will start to get through their get through the Karma’s of the current lifetime start going back to previous lives sequentially and then also I think can currently doing work for on behalf of the people that they’ve had car make and take them it’s with over multiple lifetimes so it’s kind of like a you just start polishing one layer after next you know going to this is so anyway that’s very just saw my thoughts to it to validate that experience and I could see how you know that I mean I would like to ask you if it was LSD that cause disorder abrupt jarring Rift and so having comparing your other mainly psychedelic experiences and Explorations do you feel like how do you personally feel in your heart about LSD is that your friend is it your enemy is it your lover is your Trickster yeah I know it was my initial instincts is it was the only state that hit that had triggered at but it’s just so I can go by myself feeling like that differently united life with my partner and I wasn’t going I didn’t think again really into the spice when juicing translate state tax return connect Museum to wake light on after the second episode I didn’t say I would just stop drinking so I can place on anti-psychotic medication so she created Everything Gold fangs because I was really we are you doing anything that might trigger I was seeing a man and he hit some ice and he was going to type it and at that stage in relationship I was still quite greater than my share of triggering my psychosis again triggering psychosis again so I chose to take some don’t much like really small dice it enabled me to really witness and hold the intense emotions that would trigger it and that relationship was a very intense challenging relationship gave me the ability to witness and feel emotion and why I hadn’t even had prior and not react to it was I watching the rolling waves coming and fully feeling of adjusting out in it and so that’s when I started to realize I yeah I see that the usefulness of at least a. At this point in time when it’s not something that I just feel like I need to do any more percent but I have used it again and it has thing fascinating to see what unfolds in the nature of the psyche and your reality I’m sorry I just feel like it’s definitely my friends and I’m curious about it but it’s it’s not one of my allies necessarily oh thank you for sharing that yeah I kind of feel like when I was more of Gonzo psychonaut in early stages in my life and I will go pretty far out with that luckily unlike some of my friends who who had the the misadventure The Misfortune to over like literally not to point of causing any physical damage but overdosing on LSD can happen easier than people anticipate and it can have dire long-term consequences and I’m glad that you obviously reconciled and in and had the other skill sets going to worry didn’t just cause long-term issues but I know people certainly and I think we all probably know some people that they weren’t intending to but it’s easy to overdo it and so yeah I’m glad that are you able to to get to where you’re at but I would save myself to I just I learned a lot from it but but as a I guess I’m way more interested in the time-tested shamanic guided and I would say like I I I don’t feel I like to ask you if you feel like this comparing to the other medicines really I think it’s more of a it’s like the nuclear option you know of and it has a lot of risks associated with it I was saying beautiful things can happen but I just don’t feel like there is a a a spirit guide that’s assigned to that medicine from the greater sort of bureaucracy of Spirit guides and I’ve obviously mother Ayahuasca the sort of Grandfather peyote and grandfather which Yuma and then maybe you know giggly Elvish alien creatures for the mushrooms or whatever but still whatever it is there’s some sub something usually there according to my experience is another people were at work but it just feels like with acid there’s just not there’s not a a sheriff of that realm somehow there’s not right it’s just kind of like you’re on your own I don’t know if that’s it maybe you meet God or you get to see the guide her you’ll meet the deities that you studied if you’re very religious but but you could also get jumped by demons and not get your mind back for like this lifetime so my students it’s worth noting went to when I did at the at least I think I had a quarter for 10 it wasn’t even strong stop imported tonight interesting take at it feels like the whole structure of it and it doesn’t feel like there’s any particular guy with it where is cannabis and mushrooms and it was very much feels like I am communing with a being the plant you know I feel that being with me with the communication begins with the intent and withholding the material which is very different psychedelic Jenny it’s the container and the context and the intention and integration the goal of these things that we wreck around it a crucial and we are so many people that have just taken it with what do none of that so that way they do start to encounter these more terrifying aspects of the psyche of the archetypes of the underworld and what if they don’t have a framing or ways to work with it inside that’s when things can get really not like exploring Consciousness even a ground of a triangle that is safe for a psychic how to manage Instagram those are very good points and I actually it makes me think that we have a lot of a lot of policy and a lot of I think good wisdom that says that you should probably not be drinking alcohol or taking hard drugs or psychedelic set at early stages in life before your brain starts to fully mature and what not but this gives me a sort of food for thought that something I’ve never considered that there be like an age range were there be an upper limit bracket is well aware it’s like okay you have to wait till your message to start doing it but then at this age later you better stop doing it cuz it will be more trouble the FBI could do more harm than good I feel like if there’s one substance that for me it’s kind of like yeah have your fun with acid when you’re when you’re invincible and you’re in your you know late teens or early twenties and what not and taper it off over it’s over time because it can be you can be destructive I think more than the necessary and safe I think safer and and as we’re agreeing both have any more guided more support experiences that have been nurtured for thousands of years with you know even if we’re not in the Amazon or in the the traditional ceremony I still feel like the relationships that previous human beings have built have created a sort of like a landing pad pad for those those helper spirits on Earth and who knows with where we’re at with acid maybe maybe that will eventually happen but but it’ll be up to the youngins is there any way not to put it that down hopefully if anybody’s listening this and they are there really strong Advocates of a regular ongoing serious LSD used and then by all means come and represent that that side of things but with all that said I’m curious now can you tell us about how how did the Tantra proper come about into your journey yoga was going to be cheap out of my recovery let me know when the doctors to speak to a concert with some kind of spiritual experience and then I needed to really deep in my yoga practice I did that and ended up teaching started teaching in 2006 when I was asked to teach inside I didn’t get no matter what because I felt that Judy an obligation to my students and I started reading into studying the traditions of John cheever Ray that I really felt like all that’s woman I can learn from because the way that she taught there is something spontaneously in my practice around that time I went to LA in 2010 to do my teacher training was Sheba and she had Christopher Tompkins who was a tantric practitioner in Scola come on that training and Cheech the Tantra philosophy and practice portion of it and that was when I was introduced to Tantra and it just felt like coming home and Chris he gave us this particular practice which is just a daily a very simplified version of a daily practice that he found and he has been collecting from Kashmir primarily like literally hundreds and thousands of tired so he told us his practice and then he also initiated us and at the time I didn’t realize the importance of that I didn’t you know it was just to make it just a site this thing it wasn’t really a big deal so I came home and just keep doing that practice sporadically for about five years still not really going into 6th until I didn’t want people to think that’s what I was doing so I just quietly and I decided I wanted to do a thousand a practice practice to become a master serious as I want to master and ask legal commitment to show up every single day and then I dropped the ball for various reasons. I made it to 617 days and then drop the bull and I’m now on my 15000 days in a row and today is his it’s just revolutionize my experience of yoga my understanding of it of Tantra and it’s initiated such a date process of literally burning through some scars in, like I feel and about a year ago they internal guidance is like a Caillou really stinks this down time for you to step forward and teach it which not quite scary actually because it’s a whole different way to teach it’s a whole different thing that I’m teaching and then I’m transmitting and because I hadn’t had any contact with Chris and I don’t have it at 8 to hear and use a lymphocyte a big part of me was like can I do that if I can get my hands on and studying and living it I guess but I’m not sneaking with a lineage at this point in time but it’s time you need to skip forward again this side over the last year my experience has been enormously and I will and I have been reading every book I can get my hand on on edits it’s been an extraordinary experience to to Really grasp what it was where it came from how is lost as such and what it means to us and a modern lives now how can we practice the coordinates of the tundra Traditions arrives sorry it’s on you being the last stand up and say I know this stuff and I’m teaching the stuff that I’m bringing it through that’s what I’ve been doing to the last how to use well yeah this is very interesting I find it at it’s is I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise but it is it is a surprise I mean I guess the only way I can kind of reconciled is that the Wilderness is a beautiful documentary called yoga woman and it goes into just how much effort women had to exert resisting patriarchy in order to establish schools led by women to teach yoga around the world like it wasn’t it wasn’t it was a man’s a very patriarchal very hyper masculine secret control thing for a long time and then I don’t know why you wouldn’t expect that you would most people not like in the west they think o yoga that’s that that’s that thing that chicks do you know where something is like actually know I was a super you know control tightly-controlled Cult of male priests that were doing this so that they could you know experience forms of advanced practice that required bodies they were basically able to endure these extreme austerities and his extreme really religious Pursuits but it wasn’t necessarily that was very it’s in the very closed off and I I wasn’t too aware of that history somewhat somewhat sensitive to it knowing a bit about tantric history but just that film yoga woman puts a lot of perspective or you’re like while we take a lot for granted about how westernized things have got but I bring that make that point about that film because it’s it’s it what seems to have happened and I love to have your perspective on this but it seems like this false dichotomy between Tantra and yoga or tantric yoga or yoga or however however people want to mix it up it’s basically that the the more fully integrated Township practices for one within Tantra you have a lot of Shadow work a lot of left hand path a lot of black magic and so when I miss my understanding is a basically Christians and Muslims Came In Waves over the course of centuries and in the process of wanting to colonize and take over and exploit the people in the land of course they’re also having this moral Crusade against the darker forms of Tantra and then now in the modern world of India is the more sanitized versions of yoga are all that really remain above ground and then this country scriptures in the country practice is most of the darker practices have been have been at least band and there’s anti black magic legislation that I’ve read about and a lot of the that the Tantra Mantra practitioners are just selling black magic Services as a sort of snake oil saying in the Glorious more profound shaktism and goddess worship and what we would consider to be the more benevolent and benign path of Tantra that we I think in the west kind of whitewash the darker side of it but it’s it’s like it’s like it’s the whole thing was made Taboo in the whole thing kind of got tainted I suppose in in Worcester wrist and the Glorious aspects of it were sort of sanitized and so like I would just keep saying things like the modern yoga that we know on the in the west is basically the the kids version of Tantra because you’re not caught the whole set of teachings that go along with all the chakras in your not taught taught about the sexual aspect of Awakening Kundalini and the end of the ritual worship of the Goddess that like it’s funny because you say I mean I’m just looking at this in a macro sense of the telephone game at the store should a happens with coaches over time and what we end up with in the modern world in the west and it’s like the the yoga that that I have experienced in yoga studios in classes and with the yogis that are really a bad that I’ve met like again as you mentioned you could go almost decades in yoga and never even hear the word Tantra once and you could also and then even more disturbing to me when I did find honcho is that you could go years into Tantra and never hear the word goddess or Shakti so it’s like now I’m very curious and I know this was kind of a soapbox a little bit for me but I’m also just kind of it’s always interesting to me that moment where are Yogi discovers Tantra and then realizes wait a minute what what why was this why was this in the track at the at the at the movie store it’s like behind the curtain that you’re not allowed to go into and then you discover your like wow I’ve been I’ve been missing out or I’ve been I’ve been denied access somehow so I’m curious just if you could talk about with your mind you reconcile these two words and and in your studies what you feel like is the now that you’re teaching how it how do you tell people ask you what’s the difference between yoga and Tantra I mean the first thing I always wanted for defined as what do they mean by yoga do they actually mean Asuna what do they mean by liberacion this is Chris thing I always wanted to clarify mean someone uses the trip between yoga which is half ways to self-realization alliteration and the tools of yoga which included Asana pranayama chanting meditation but deliberation and if it’s basically a phone or text or identified with doing the perfect posture the very thing that’s me to deliver I do is actually taking you deeper and delusion and illusion Chandra is a methodology or an approach to yoga so if y’all get is self-realization Tantra is an approach to self realization and it’s the fast way it’s like the way that cuts through the bullshit need the thing that is most effective most powerful most recent and my I only do it now for physical reasons it’s like there’s no need for any any other capacity Liberation in so yeah can someone asking me about what’s the difference between a month is not a difference between tantrum you’re the one that it’s an approach to yoga and then I also want to clarify that means you’re actually interested or are you interested in joining us because but it’s not Liberation so don’t confuse I really appreciate that you mention how this is the the way to cut through the bullshit and also that it’s the antidote to living in the Kali Yuga because that’s something that I read in very scholarly works on classical Tantra and the you are very rarely hear people talk about that in Neo Tantra workshops that this is a very tactical and strategic set of really designer tools that that are specifically designed in the way that I liked reading about it was this point being made exactly to your point it is for this time that were in which is extra delusional and extra demonic and just as bad as it can possibly be and maybe it’s going to get worse before it gets better so you better have these very effective tools and basically it’s almost it’s it’s the way that I’ve read about it is that I mean to be a little bit rude even I would say that in the the happier go lucky or Golden Ages in the other wheels of the cycles of time they could be lazy and get away with it because they didn’t have as much Flack and they didn’t have as much resistance and they didn’t have to fight back as much so but from those time more more abundant Divinity on Earth and more benevolence in the cycles of time and then they had the time and they had the luxury to cultivate the tools get the tool kit that they were creating for us to use in this time to fight back in to defend ourselves spiritually so it’s kind of like if we can find this stuff on Discover it and work it and put it to use then we can get through this like karmic swamp that were in now and then if we can survive it as a species that we will have as according to the prophecies according to the this this way of thinking is cosmology then you know our progeny will really inherit a more beautiful time of your more beautiful more Golden Era and but it’s cement what we’re just in the the bottle next year we’re in the in this this Dark Age and so it’s just that he has an interesting concept that all this is a gift that we need to unpack you know it’s basically like a it’s like a time capsule or not Time Capsule but it’s basically like a it was as if they they buried these these these caches for us in the scriptures for us to discover and Unearthed and then apply them almost like we’re you know where Navy SEALS or special forces or something of that nature is kind of way I see it so I appreciate that you that you said that for us cuz I think a lot of people they don’t want to acknowledge they don’t that’s too it’s too much Shadow work for them or they don’t want to I don’t want to kill the five or killed be a buzzkill talking about that that part of it or are you using yogurt to liberate yourself right United Liberation is not about making life better it’s about Liberation to about truth about realization and what I’ve noticed is I need a cheap knowledge he’s for working directly with Consciousness so as one’s a wenis and ability to sense the subtle becomes more more refined prices began working with Consciousness for the someone who’s coming into practice who is living there and then in order to become aware of what is happening in Chinle for themselves I guess it’s just an assignment of being able to be a weird one securing on the inside me and I can start to do the most subtle practices near me because of the point that we apply the practice itself is not the thing the print just simply create the conditions needed for the process of dissolving and unwinding to begin to Heaven prices of dissolving unwinding samskaras in comas and that will happen when we learn how to get out of the way and hold the space which is the whole point of the practice the same as the process that creates the conditions for the process of Liberation to be put into action if you will and then we just have to keep showing up and surrendering rating go and letting it happen and there’s something else that is it in the contract that I just come across recently that like because these practices were secret they weren’t in the cheeks the written down but the chicks are only a loser and describe some of the practices they don’t describe the real secret the real case that was just like you said that they would come a time when it was necessary for these practices to no longer be a secret and actually to be spread far and wine and I feel like we need those who actually care about Liberation most secure about waking up they need to know what’s going on for the my need to know what tools to use I need to know I had a navigate there in the world have never got Consciousness and they need to understand what happens psychologically when people begin to dissolve the SAS guys and comments from previous in this lifetime of course as well and that knowledge I think is it just not out there very much at all okay now I think for anyone listening who hasn’t read it acquires many books or baby hasn’t been down this path so far I could imagine that you’re wondering that you would love to hear now I would love to hear can you go into detail about you know if it’s not too much of a secret now that we’re talking about kind of open sourcing this technology and in the modern world so it’s what is your what is this daily practice look like that you’re doing and then you could go to go from there and say describe I would love to hear in your words what is the outstanding difference in the the the tantric practices that that for Liberation that you are teaching that you have learned in your practicing now cuz it’s 8 for me it’s so interesting every time I try to explain what this is I have to start almost from scratch it’s just like such a naturally kind of elusive infinite con concept and so are every person who brings it brings their definition to me I feel like I’m that that blanks later that that empty cup you know so I don’t so I’m not projecting my headline ocean. It is very obvious just reeling to hear how other people articulate this bass you know a very personalized thanks so please but I’ll meet you before we doing this practice at that rate and so the practices is to warm up links with a blockages are for the brace retention and then it moves into a clearing and a diagnostic running a diagnostic in the clearing on the system using State exams at the chakras and placing them placing the Munsters The Sounds in that area is another way inside its checking in to see what’s clear once blocked what’s going on what’s Happening stage three is the disorder of the dates of the practice and this involves mujras and involves Chun Chang and involves visualization and involves invoking the chassis Shakti and Shiva and uniting them in the hospice and that’s the third stage what I’ve noticed is it’s it’s not super intense car has like three things. I’m out of the system out of the field when that is happening which is simply sitting back and watching what unfolds now that you’ve laid the foundation and done all the other stuff so watching the movement of Shakti Kundalini Prana watching at move around your body watching what the bridge does watching the thoughts of flight paths watching the feelings that come out and staying the witness or consciousness of that important really win the dissolving and the release saying in the unfolding that’s when Visions come through strong emotions in Cecil line healing deep trauma order that stuff will unfold and that last part of the practice so it’s so powerful that mean to keep Knology in the more you do it the more it will be in trigger the prices which is the road to innovation it’s beautiful and it brings me back to my first Tantra classes with Rhoda Jordan who is my initiatrix into Kundalini Shakti energy and rotating the spine and using the Moochers and mantras and movements that were dance movements and various expressions and also the guided visualization so I feel like you could come in off the street and have no esoteric leanings be a total skeptic be a total materialist rationalist agnostic atheist whatever and you could have this very palpable introductory-level I call it like a chakra tune-up a chakra tune-up you know like you were getting your Prana oil changed in your getting your. You know your chakra spark plugs kind of reline and what episode people have this and it is it can I think the the Austin is can be like a good warm-up or a good cool down but in the center or the heart of of a tantra yoga experience it is this massaging and moving of the Kundalini Shakti energy and using the sound to activate and facilitate like a a very unrestrained and very unrestricted flow of a tenor he’s so everything seems like it’s some working in concert in harmony to allow that energy to flow with his little obstruction is necessary it goes to the places where it’s needed most and isn’t just being wasted trying to blast through your stiff neck or something like that you know so I’m feeling just to get for people to get a visual of what were what were you talking about what this what all this is like if you had to if you had to explain it to explain this stuff to somebody who is it super scientific rationale extended believe in any of the magical or mystical or Cosmic elements how would you describe the you note to a doctor what what it is that you’re doing or if you had to do you were doing a corporate retreat in there like we need to know what this is going to entail on like a biomedical level could you translate it to those terms could I change my nothing that right b i g u is a lot to do with that option within the sound is vibrational I mean I really just want people to try it to do it but if I needed so I wouldn’t be able to but it also takes medical terms that I do feel like that’s possible now when it probably wasn’t possible 20 30 40 years ago with the way that science is advancing and quantum physics in particular in their understanding of Neuroscience in the wedding Neuroscience is beginning to understand the brain in different ways and met mystical experience and understand that how to change your mind by Michael Pollan and he’s got some great Bryant Brian science in there that looks like it’s just you know the way that people are frightened the world normally feel like science is stronger and stronger and stronger people just going to get on that label is which is going to really help with the spread of these practices when people start to realize how powerful they are as Technologies for working with Consciousness with working with the Brian working with the nervous system all of us. Will you articular that very well yeah thank you I don’t get it I think it is important cuz it said put some point I’m 100% in agreement with you and the way I would wear that to it is to say that it hits the the woo-woo and esoteric and far out practices of acupuncture and acupressure they’ve been completely accepted into the fold of Western medicine now it will at least to the extent that you can you can put that on your you know on your standard American list of therapeutic things that are basically covered with your help with your health insurance is not considered too far out as alternative medicine and so you know if we can take those Meridian is in those energy lines in if there is also the data backing it up because if there’s enough research done in besides that using the scientific method and they can say well even if even if the actual mechanics of it the quantum mechanics are still somewhat elusive at least we know that there are results in those results are measurable and so it can be validated and and recognized and acknowledged and so I think that the tantric healing particula. The trauma healing modalities will eventually get to that point that acupuncture acupressure is and there will be charts of the chakras in next to the anatomy charts in in the doctors every doctor’s office will just have the sound and I think the only thing that I would add to what you said about just trying to bridge that gap for people who may be total Skeptics is that I was fascinated when it was brought to my attention that the the major are crows and there’s obviously debates about exactly how many there are some people say there’s multiple third eye permutation chakras is obviously just as is many different maps of the chakras is there are lineage is a tantra almost but we’ve kind of mostly agreed upon their being seven major ones but basically it’s it’s it’s been noted in end hypothesize that there actually is situated literally on top of or within or basically at least in terms of the the Distribution on the body there pretty much right in alignment with the endocrine system glands and so the pineal gland that all of that basically going going up and down the spine of the endocrine system and that makes a lot of sense because if in the in the chakra system teaching country you’re talking about these essential personality and information processing organs that the truck was our will that’s exactly what these glands are doing or 10th processing intense amounts of information and also really defining and in programming our experience of reality on a chemical level so that’s that’s definitely very interesting to think about that enter play and so this was a really really awesome expiration and just kind of bringing it accident the fundamentals of Tantra but also helping to to put into context the need for a think you’ve given one of the best polemics so far that I have heard on this podcast about why to get deep into the deep the practices and and really the case for taking yoga to that taking the Austin is to the next level of the tantric practices and so appreciate that and I want to say yes so do you want to just spend sometime kind of giving us if you like to share a sort of closing meditation walk us through some of what you would have to offer an in it in a a training you know take your good however many of you several minutes or more you like to give a sort of either a signature meditation or something just completely spontaneous that would be great but and also either before or after give us your final words in your website links and where people can go to get the book and also anything else you want to say about the book anything else UTI you care to say I’ll let you just take over from here yes it’s Six Flags in my siaga it’s a meanwhile of my recovery from that experience Awakening / psychosis and and understanding of what a treaty was so that’s available on Amazon only online book stores you can get on my cell as well and I have a I have a retreat coming up in Mexico September 29th to October 4th at so I can Hotwire it activation plaid Entre for the modern world I will really be able to join this practice we’re going to take him to practice and really looking at how do we embody unconditional love right that’s the awakened heart Unconditional Love and Truth which is the warrior standing in truth and bringing that 4th and 2 + communities because my senses this world is that the more of us that are able to embody unconditional love in penis after the shift will be on the planet and nothing feels more important than that and grounding it and Tantra practice in an understanding of time should I visit a solid foundation the people to take that understanding and stick back into the communities of one of the limitations to do wish I could. Pointed a wenis one that just came through spontaneously once upon a time that I’ve been using for number B is now so whenever you want to have you sitting and standing with driving how if you’re listening to this podcast just bring your awareness to your breathing just starting to notice what it feels like to breathe really noticing the feel of the breath and your nostrils you might feel it down the back of your throat maybe you feel it under your collarbone so and your rib cage possibly all the way down into your pelvis even your tailbone just noticing nursing what it feels like to braid what does it feel like in your body when you breathe you keeping your wenis on your breath also become aware of your whole body whole body awareness in the crown of your head all the way down to the soles of your faith goodnight is saying what the brakes feels like in your body but all such feeling your whole body front of the body back of the body right side of the body left side of the body and just noticing you noticing any Sensations any pain need a duplex for Delaware to bring the way of your whole body Men start to become aware of the ground underneath the Earth maybe getting a sense of sending root down into the ground just feeling what it’s like to sit on the ground on the Earth getting a sense of the soils underneath you maybe having a sense of the Bedrock with a water table deep it down still aware of your breath we are of your whole body Rosa down three play aware of the earth ground feeling yourself reaching down into as deep as you can go and then retaining awareness of breath awareness of body weenus of ground expensive opening up towards the sky beginning to expand your wenis outwit and upwards all the way to all the way to the Earth’s atmosphere beyondmenu all the way to the Moon Beyond maybe all the way to the planets to Sun and even issue expand outward upward to the sky to the infinite Universe still aware of the ground still aware of your whole body and still aware of your breath holding all of them New Orleans Saints All Saint Grant body sky now you sound tourist center of it all even as you remain aware of it all sending out so much love to you all thank you so much being for this opportunity to stake into share thank you so much yes I was beautiful and always appreciate meeting new folks doing this great work and learning new ways of articulating this mysterious technology but this was one of the best one of the best times I’ve had learning and getting acquainted and appreciate it so much and hopefully we will be in touch and you always feel welcome to come back anytime you have things you like to share updates and yeah looking forward to turn off Liam’s sharing and in supporting each other’s efforts I’m going awesome again for you feel free anytime to reach out in the future and I wish you the best of luck in all of your endeavors and will talk to you hopefully soon thank you so much I took care that is a r a l e a h. 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Beyond the Neo Vs. Classical Tantra Duality with Triambika TPP83

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Triambika picIn this episode I’m blessed to be able to explore the great works of Triambika Ma Vive and her masterful synthesis of neo and classical tantra. We discuss how to translate the esoteric principles of ancient tantra into modern cross-cultural interfaith language, theory and practice.

About Triambika:

“Playboy TV’s #1 Tantric Expert”

Triambika is an internationally recognized seminar leader, professional sex and conscious intimacy coach and the founder of The Ecstatic Awareness Institute.
She has guided thousands of men and women to empower their sexuality, by helping them to release shame, gain confidence, learn to have extraordinary sex, experience exceptional stamina and create healthier relationships.

Her powerful work with singles and couples have been featured on the Playboy channel, Personal Life Media, Source Tantra, Gilad Creative Media and as the lead host and emcee for the International Sex and Consciousness Conferences.

Triambika brings her depth, intuition, passion and magnetism to her work. Harnessing her extensive training and practice with the time-honored tradition of Tantra, human sexuality, non-dual spirituality, masculine and feminine dynamics, NLP, and body-based modalities including yogic therapy and bodywork, she helps her clients to reach authentic sexual freedom and to form fulfilling relationships that support the highest expression of who they are.

Based in Southern California, Triambika works globally guiding men and women everyday to lead a more empowered and authentic sexual life.

Being a seasoned practitioner and educator of sacred sexuality, Triambika also offers practitioner trainings for sexual healers and women’s sensual empowerment courses throughout the United States, Australia and Europe.

Guided by her resolute purpose to provide intelligent, accessible and unforgettable education, she is enthusiastically committed to coaching with compassion, fun and individualized attention.

Please visit her website at:
http://ecstaticawareness.com/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 83 I am doing an interview here with tree ambika mavi and she is Playboy TV’s number-one tantric expert which definitely has caught my attention among other things and intimacy coach and founder of the ecstatic awareness Institute and is really one of the world’s greatest living country code facilitators and and healers that I’ve become aware of and we weave briefly cross paths in different circles and I’m really excited now it’s Grandma cat have you as a guest and if you would be so kind just kind of give us your your life story how you got on this path of of Tantra and beyond happy to be here right now with you and getting to chat together my life story where to begin you know this path yeah I could say where it started as far as you know when I first started hearing about Tantra but I think it’s valuable to just go a little bit further back and say that I grew up with Catholic parents of a Colombian upbringing so Latin American upbringing and and Catholic religion and so there was a lot of Shame and there was a lot of stuff around sexuality and do you know you just really a lot of confusion and being a spiritual person and as I have always been it was this journey to try to find myself and my spirituality and yet not see myself as a slut or a hore which is a lot of wet you know that the extra tradition would have you think I’ll when you also want to be a sexual being so the idea of spirituality and sexuality in the same sentence was completely unheard of for me so I went forward in the world having to cope with that and there was some difficulty for me around that and being a very sexual being I wanted to explore I wanted to find out more about what was out there in this life and as soon as I became old enough I began to explore in the world of of sex work but not not having sex but more so it was a it was a roll of doing a lingerie modeling and I’ll say lingerie modeling and quotes it was kind of like a private Peep Show and and you know on the men were allowed to make themselves as comfortable as they wanted in the room and you know where they’re at their I am and and this computer lingerie and there’s like a chair with a box of tissues in a bottle of Jergens what kind of what kind of establishment will see how to say the name of course but I’m just curious how this was facilitated as a business model is like an establishment or if this was something you did before Craigslist and Backpage and all that well well before Craigslist and Backpage and probably before I even heard of the internet at that stage I was only 18 19 and I I thought it was sort of like a lingerie store a front for lingerie store that kind of had maybe six to eight pieces of really cheap lingerie hanging in the front and the guys can come and choose their model and there be about two or three of us working at any time and then we go and you’ll have a sort of a private keep show and you know I learned a lot during those years and I and I learned that I could make a lot of money and that was fun but I also had to learn a lot about my boundaries which I didn’t realize I had until only after they already been crossed so I know I went through a lot of trial and error in that phase and not knowing myself fully yet not knowing what my boundaries were and through being in a scene where people wanted to take advantage of me I just had to kind of get through that and I found myself at a crossroad where I was I’d made a lot of money and I’d saved a lot of money and I wanted to get out of the business and I was really struggling with with myself with my identity I have a lot of shame I felt I’m very insecure so a lot of of those internal turmoil that happened when when you don’t know yourself and your exploring sexually and a lot of things are happening very quickly so I so I went off on a spiritual journey to India and that was the first time I’d heard the word Tantra and in that in that time I learned that I had all these issues you know you don’t always know that you’ve got all the stuff going on so I realize why I’ve got a lot of issues and I have a lot to heal and the word Tantra just rang so loud and true for me it was it was just an instant connection that I had to the word and I said I got to know what that is I got to follow that path so the following year I I moved from Miami to California and I started sneaking out teachers and seeking out workshops and books and whatever I can get my hands on and from there I began and I found teachers and I found some amazing people along my path and I began to receive healing work and so as I started to receive Tantra healing work on myself from trained practitioners trained Dhaka Zen dakinis I began to release immense amounts of grief and shame and fear in my body and it was being immediately replaced with love and self-acceptance and appreciation for who I am and I started to transform and it was in it happened relatively quickly I started to see the changes and that just that was it I just never look back and I I just knew right away this is my path so having been in the world of sexuality from the very beginning and early as I was legal I you know it was it was a natural transition to go from a very unconscious sexual scene to healing myself and going more towards conscious awake and sexuality and it just made all the difference for me and all the difference in my relationships and and just how I progressed in the world awesome do you want to talk about how you are you’ve sort of found a career path through all that that is led to your rising up to instructor kind of leader facilitator coach all that good stuff will I went ahead and started to train pretty early on and started to take zucchini training the Tantra teacher trainings of Charles me or as one of my dear beloved friends and teachers and you know very very close like family to me so he he was instrumental for me and and several other teachers and I and so my career in this path again early and in over the years it took many forms and so I think that how it progresses that because I started at an early age and I’ve been involved in the work for so long naturally I built a name for myself and I also started started to a create a distinction between what was out there for a little people who were doing different modalities of sex work versus doing more sexual healing work and really making a name for myself in that way and that there is a difference and and there’s nothing wrong with either one of them but that there is something transformative that can happen and even you know in the face of pleasure right that it can be such a powerful transformative experience when when it’s done with the right amount of presents so after several years and the field I went ahead and studied with a Groove for about 12 years on I took initiation into a kashmiri tantric lineage and that was I think we’re thing started at transform because I I started integrating more of the classical traditional teachings of Tantra and a gain a lot of respect in the community for for having done that and and and study done in that in-depth way yeah and I and then the next big piece for me was was with with the Sedona Temple and the International School of Temple art where we began teaching training in spiritual sexual shamanic experiences and and now that training is being taught all over the world so I was one of the founding members of that and yeah it’s just been an amazing journey and I continue to coach and work with people one-on-one and I just I love what I do and I continue to train also a practitioners and that’s been another big pieces it’s raining men and women who want to do this workout in the world and I just I love all of it well it’s also so there’s definitely a lot of really deep material there that as far as you’re having that rich culturally authentic experience training and also that so it’s like you’ve become the synthesis of Neo Tantra and classical Tantra and that is a really exciting and Powerful combination because you probably have a great vantage point to kind of shed light on the whole Spectrum so yeah I’m really excited to to explore that a bit I’m I guess I’m curious how was your how did Playboy channel discover you or how did you get pitched her how did that that bridge get across I’m curious and I received an email from from Scout and one afternoon and they wanted to bring me in to do an episode 4 one of their swingers shows called swing and and then they brought me in again and is it just kind of went from there or so it was really just they went out searching for someone just like me and they they were there having a hard time finding it because it’s that kind of combination between you know a lot of people do Tantra and it’s a modality of sex work which is great and it’s awesome and I and I love that there’s people that are you don’t taunt Rica’s and doing sex work and what they were looking for though is a little bit more of the educational aspect and somebody that they can you don’t bring in to really teach and coach and so that’s what I am awesome so yeah it would you would you be okay with talking a bit about your experience that the traditional lineage Based training and she had just kind of maybe start with an overview and then we can zoom in here and there sure well I won’t mention his name because I know that you wouldn’t want me to do that but I will say that walking the guru to disciple path is really something else I something it’s it’s definitely for certain individuals who want that I personally don’t think I knew what I was getting myself into but I’m glad that I did and I’m glad that I’m not there anymore the traditional path of Tantra absolutely love it’s more just the dynamic between That Grew disciple it’s a little bit condescending and manipulative in some in some cases not in every case but for some people but the but the traditional teachings of Tantra are are so Adept and so powerful and so beautiful know anybody who wants to study that it’s you know it’s really very very deep but the whole path of life that is always the whole psychology it’s an entire path of Awakening from it from the way that you eat to the way that you think to you know something from what you do at the start of the day to the end of the day and then of course from the way we make love it’s everything is included so it’s you know it’s very powerful to live your life that way what would you say are some of the obviously I just I feel like the more I study at the less I can Define it the best I can explain it and it itches it gets even more elusive it’s so vast and so I’m curious if what some of the maybe just bullet points of what you feel like you were really blessed to have been able to experience it in and that one-on-one grew disciple training that people who are on a weekend retreat or certificate you know whatever the Neo Tantra packages to to get you out of your you no work week and normal mindset and into a a deep training what would you say are some of the things that that you know we will be missing out on not having the experience you had that are some of the positive things and then I’m sure we’ll figure out some of the negative ones too well I guess there’s a couple ways that I can answer that you know some of the some of the really positive aspects is you know to understand yourself as something much broader and bigger than the limited ideas that we have of who we think we are and to begin to actually have practices and tools and ideologies to begin to see do yourself in a much broader context and so when I when I can see myself as as Shiva as you know primordial Consciousness inkarnate I begin to experience the world differently right I begin to live into the world with less fear with less fear of death with less concerned about the minutiae and assertive come into the world with them from a more expanded stay and so that that’s something really valuable because you know we all can get caught up and in the end the little things right in the little things that that pisses off or noises and you know like that go ahead yeah that was just a green definitely I think a lot of people are bypassing maybe now in the in the so-called I don’t really know Nick neotantra is is kind of just as nebulous but it seems I guess one of the critiques that I would have and I I feel like India came to me I didn’t go to India at Lake came to me through Priestess initiatrix has waves of them coming in and really synchronistic ways and that doesn’t mean I don’t have a want to make a pilgrimage absolutely but I feel like what like the way I would like to Define Tantra for the mod for the modern era is it is a practice of goddess worship and if that’s missing then maybe it’s a dangerous path of Tantra that somehow forgot to put the Davey Sedona in the mix and I’m wondering if if you feel like that sort of the spiritual bypass of just the mechanical sexual breathing and you know the real practical impact are the practices that enhance your sex and love life and connection that’s all great but do you feel like you were able to kind of get more of a deeper connection to the cosmology in the mythology and took formulated to more clear question do you think people are missing out on that aspect a lot and and are you able to kind of translate and deliver some of that since you have had that sauce after deeper immersion training well that’s a great question and here’s what I think I think you are people missing out you know I don’t think that everybody is cut out for that depth of teaching I don’t think that those teachings are necessarily meant for everybody that there is something about Tantra that they caught the Open Secret where you know it’s open anybody can come and read the stuff but unless you unless you’ve got the eyes to see and ears to hear and really get it it’s might not be meant for you and not everybody’s interested in that depth of thought or that depth of Mantra and you know yantra studies and you’re all the Deep Sanskrit terminology like not everybody wants. So are they missing out well you know it’s something ignorance is bliss and so that’s okay for them is the world of Neo Tantra missing something sometimes sometimes in some cases it is and then definitely I aim to be that bridge and I also think that it’s for whom and when like if there’s if there’s a person who ready and interested in needs that teaching those teachings then I’m all too happy to deliver that and when a person isn’t able to receive that it’s sort of like how can I get around the fancy terminology to sort of present this in a way that they can really receive it and I think that that’s something that that the the classical Tantra did support me and a lot is is is broadening my perspective and then now what using my own tools to deliver that to any audience without it being too weird or fluffy or foreign practice of beholding whether it’s your consort or your wife for your ass you know your spouse of your concert or Temple dancer whatever the configuration is that that sort of quintessential divining of the Beloved as the god or the goddess or a combination thereof do you have you found a way to kind of translate horor deliver that experience without breaking people’s religious dogmas to giving him too much of a right turn you know when they’re not ready I just say one quick thing is that speaking to a client just yesterday who was wanting to introduce his very very religious Christian girlfriend into the path of Tantra and I got really excited because I think this is perfect because she’s already concerned about living in sin and so this would be a way for her to reconcile that part of her that says hey it’s okay that we’re having sex even though we’re not married and you know just because we can call in a greater power a higher power and just translate it so that it works for her so I think I think that if somebody is very closed off and in their in their on their religious path are not going to be able to receive any of it but I do think that there is a place for it in numerous spiritual just traditions because of the fact that when you really dig deep the sex aspect in Tantra is given great regard because of the spiritual element right it’s not just like we’re not all hedonist trying to find cool new ways to get off it’s it’s it’s all about creating deeper and deeper and higher and higher state of the union with the Divine so for some I think that I’ve actually been thinking about that a lot because I’ve been called to do the same thing and it in in a variety of different formats to try to upgrade the spiritual Technologies as it’s so interesting I guess what’s happening with with porn and with really thin BDSM and Fifty Shades of Grey there’s this massive explosion of I would call maybe sexual freedom I don’t I don’t like I wouldn’t call it Liberation cuz that has a deeper kind of station for me but there’s a new level of Freedom that I feel is to be perilous without wisdom tradition guidance and that’s why Tantra is got a lot of catching up to do to the to those other even if you look on Google Trends and you see the search frequency of Tantra versus the other I’ll be I’ll be honest and respectful and say that can be just as much as a form of those are sexual art forms and you know the pouring is a sexual art form genre but definitely as the the shackles of really repressive monotheistic I don’t you know all the religions that are repressing sexuality Resort of being bucked off by this mess massive high-speed internet delivery system and so there’s like a need for these churchgoers who are scrambling in the face of these menaces to their you know they’re there their ways really it’s going to take the work of what you’re doing and other people who are able to kind of say okay well now that the cat is out of the bag how are we going to maybe translate the Kundalini has the Holy Ghost you know and if they don’t want to hear about the serpent you know maybe they’ll they’ll be that the Holy Ghost can work for him do you have you any of that time Bridge Crossing sort of cultural healing stuff in my private work so right I haven’t I haven’t made it a point to preach about it in a larger way I know that Sean Roop has actually taught in churches which I think is fantastic I have made less the point of it all though it would be it would be fun but in my in my private work when people come to see me I definitely I asked about their their religious spiritual background so that I’m prepared and and how it went to deliver what I want to say and yeah I love I love what you just added there about the the Kundalini being the Holy Spirit and it is yeah that’s a lot of potential to too kind of transcend the old language around the Stephen Odell paradigm yes so do you want to talk maybe some more about you or I had a I had a curiosity definitely about you know we could probably go do a series of podcast about this very deep esoteric material and in the mystical and mythological aspects really I’m at like someone just recently said yet is witchcraft a that that kind of you know does it for me to to approach it with that level of you no respect and reverence and you know what is that mean if we think of it that way obviously that would scare off some of the Christian so it wouldn’t be conducive to help in that discourse but so yeah I was going to say I’m curious how the power broker is in The Gatekeepers of the mass media but say the Playboy Enterprise did they give you space to explore that more esoteric esoteric elements or do they ask you to reel it in and you know I’m curious if they have any yeah well concerns or I can remember the day going to their Studios in Hollywood and asking about that very thing you know how to do you want me to go pretty clear that this was meant to be for the larger masses that this wasn’t meant to be a teaching on the esoteric aspects of Tantra so and one of my superpowers I think is to be able to convert myself not convert myself but you know just sort of be able to be adaptable and and and speak to my audience and meet them where they’re at so I did keep it a little bit later I kept it still connecting at the Heart level and very much connecting you know sexually essentially but with presents and and and deep connection that we kept it there we did not go into the deeper stuff even though if you look at what I’m doing in the filming’s I am creating a Puja experience and so they don’t know they don’t know that they’re there there’s roots of that in an early Tantra and and and how that all came to be but they don’t need to know that they’re having a good time and then the Aryans the nuts and that’s what was important at that time that’s wonderful yeah I feel like that’s that is the the the sign of a of a master if you can really deliver the experience without having to convert anyone or push their boundaries too far and they just you know can be Believers in this in the spiritual technology Without Really any rhetoric or any you know any of the more controversial controversial apologies work you know so we really don’t know all that background if you really sit with another person in this way you feel different you feel a connection and and that opens up new avenues of emotion in Awakening in your body that weren’t there before you know when you when it was just sort of like here let me just broke you in the dark instead let’s turn the lights on and I should be with one another you can’t deny what happens there as long as your present right it is yet very if it for the for the Skeptics and the atheist and all that it’s just electrical engineering and even the symbols are very there schematics in a lot of the configurations the yogic scriptures and it was stration sits you know something that reads like stereo instructions sometimes you know yeah so actually something you mentioned there it makes me wonder I feel like a good way to tell always introduce the chakra system to people who are maybe never heard of it or only if seen you know hippies with banners hanging out of their tents or whatever but at the everybody has an experience of their heart chakra so do you kind of start there if you if you when you initiate people into Brett breathing into or doing the bija mantras or kind of chakra introductory orientation work do you kind of start there and yeah well can you talk about that yet how do you how do you teach the chakras if you don’t mind I mean whatever extent you you would you care to share it’s always fun one of the fun of the heart it’s it’s always where I began I view the heart in the heart chakra as an alchemical chalice where all transformation can take place so when we begin there any relationship that we have to our sexuality to our power to our survival to our intuition to my voice in the world all of it gets gets transformed when we bring it through the heart and then you can just look to see how anything that you’re grappling with in life just bring it into your heart for a moment I just sit with it there and then just see what happens but that’s always where I begin and as far as I got an education on on chakras again you know I’m I’m working with a lot of different types of people and sometimes I have people that literally want to understand contract from A to Z and and sometimes I have a people that are really just trying to grow and heal and don’t don’t care so much for the deeper philosophy but know that there’s something in this for them so again for whom and when and when there is a person who who needs touch needs healing who needs to be seen in this light we work with the specific chakras that he or she needs to work on right so often times that if the Power Center The Heart the sex Center in over some people obviously that first chakra and as needed I’ll go at go through and explain it but more important than me explaining it is them feeling an activation of it Brian said I could happen with just like he words coming in at Key moments when they’re open when the portal is open and you know I come in with keywords that pertain to that cha Crush they don’t need to know that the color orange or yellow or that it’s this particular geometrical shape they need to know that right now their power is being activated and and we are calling that in there in a very potent way in other cases I find the chakras fascinating I love talking about that little ins and outs and specific mysteries of all the chakras it’s fascinating to me it’s total like braingasm material yeah yeah so in the right setting and that’s what I’ll do cool yeah I kind of feel like when I have to explain it to people who maybe you’re just skeptical in general or like yeah whatever we will be able to stay well imagine that your you know your physical body has a series of ink cartridges that print you out and they can malfunction and stopped working and then they can distort your sort of damage that you gave yourself the physical print out and so you want to optimize that and that seems to work as it’s kind of in a broader way that these seven centers where energy concentrates you can even see it as where you’re like nervous system will come together and concentrate it is the all the way that we receive and perceive the world so both how we receive you know these different functions and also you know how how we perceive that being acting out in the world and in that you know we are either perceiving the world for through these different modes you know in a very a contracted way and sometimes we’re much more open-minded about it or open-hearted you know it just kind of you know giving giving birth examples that people can relate to I think is is probably the most valuable so if you don’t mind I’d like to talk a bit about your perspectives and experiences with what is kind of sort of it’s a term now it’s like a modern term Sexual Healing like you could say a sexual healing it’s actually a veritable almost Medical Practice in with the Certified Six electrical bodyworkers training it’s I think that’s probably the most sort of codified that that a Hands-On sacred spot massage Ewing is is sort of been in in modern I guess medical legalized if you will but I’m really curious I’ve had this question in the in the back of my mind for a while where is the I’m not I’m not What’s the Word a fundamentalist when it comes to the scriptures there’s some really weird stuff and some of the scriptures so I definitely don’t want to have to sort of validate most of it was most of it has been traditionally village-based verbal pre-vedic pre civilized indigenous Shamanism of I would call bastardized patriarchal you know elitist extraction and then you have codification and in the in the scriptures so it’s it’s gets murky to say what it what is or isn’t authentic or or can be traced back to some cite citation in a document but I’m curious if in your training you’re probably one of the most qualified to answer this question is where does the sacred spot massage training or certain the discovery of that is there is there some natural history of that in the Indian traditions of Tantra that you’re aware of or is it you know I’m so curious to know what you want cuz I think we just kind of adapted we adapted and then we just sort of maybe don’t understand the the deeper origins or or just sort of get some what’s the word I guess it’s too taken for granted in modern Neo Tantra that this is part of Tantra but I’m super curious if you would know where you would go to actually study at traditionally or if there’s scriptures about it you know any of the Davey kind of hymns and stuff so you could go on and on about the Oni and all I mean exhausted leave it like it’s a beautiful discourse on the only and all of its magic and all this mystery so I’m sure there’s some references there but anyway scripture speaking I have yet to come across something specific about the secret spot from a traditional standpoint it’s it’s if it’s written it’s written in a serving in a mysterious way and what I know is that the term sacred spot it was coined by Charles Muir om some 3540 years ago it was taught to him that the practice without it being called secrets about the practice itself with was taught to him by a bee and a tantric practitioner and I’m saying this was like 30 maybe 45 years ago now at the stage for him so so where it that particular practice originated from I can’t tell you exactly but what I can tell you is that when you really look at it and you look at what’s happening in the body and where where were actually referring to it’s not just the G-Spot it’s not just that one little spot on the body it’s more of a secret area and it went to when you touch into that area in a man or a woman inside the body it gives you access I could deny it gives you access to the energy of all of the chakras and all of the cellular memory and the emotional content in that space and if you look at how the channels of eat. And peeing alot and so shall not that the three Central Channel’s come together and they sort of intersect at each of the chakras their their last point where they intersect is there or down there close to the base of the spine and so we’re kind of moving energy and connecting and playing in that area where all of the channels merge and we’re basically all of the chakras merge because each of the chakras are touched by these channels I hope that didn’t sound too totally far-out there in all this I mean I’m absent totally seeing all this like as if you were you’ve got you know a video projector up in this is a you know UPS exactly what I’m PowerPoint hear a lot of modalities that are popular today you know somewhere along the way someone figured this out and it got invented I don’t think that that that it’s any less powerful whether or not it came from the scriptures I really haven’t seen it but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some type of mention of it of course it wouldn’t have been called The Sacred spot it probably was referring more to Yoni Puja and and some other type of internal practice now when I when I worked with my Google make my spiritual teacher and I bet that there are a lot like in Chinese medicine solutely marma points along the outside and the inside of the body and so somewhere in all of this tradition it was figured out that when you go in and start activating these points or even on the body right that that you can you can access a lot of different types of energy in the body so so if I can sort of yeah process that a bit it it sounds like if there was ever a president within classical Tantra to do the Yoni Puja as a devotional ritual of oil massage of some kind whatever was available maybe sesame oil or I’m not sure if you would know that I would say but I don’t see if we wanted to do like a historical reenactment of the birth of you know this tradition of veneration of the genitals as the one of light in the gates to heaven I mean the really show people National Geographic or something maybe it’s another another you no experience of media like a National Geographic kind of experience where this is the real deep heart stuff but I guess my question is so you would if it during a Yoni Puja you would obviously be accessing the so-called Grafenberg Spot or whatever you know the goddess spot is a better way to put it but it wasn’t the sort of Silver Bullet kind of medical prescribe saying like oh you need to go get this G-spot release massage experience have been gone like you go to the temple and you know be a part of some ritual that would be open to initiate soar through some process you would gain access or your your lover would be trained I mean can you could you is it possible to walk through what it would be Circa you know 1000cc going into a tantric Temple and being like hey I heard about this food to thing like where the level of devotion so the the devotional aspic going back to what you started with earlier about you know Debbie worship goddess worship that the at the Yoni and lingam are both this is the consecrating force of the universe right this is where we come together in our too masculine feminine polarities and unite and this creates life and that the entire universe is like a gigantic erotic active love hence we are created this is whole universe so I think that’s where it started begins as is with a larger understanding of of the Oni and the lingam as creators of life and and so maybe a little bit further apart from the individuals Yoni but more so from this or the cosmic sense I think that as as you go in to to worship and individual Yoni the inside of the woman’s body generally in the tradition from the from all of everything that I’ve read everything that I’ve learned and understood and and things that have been performed on me that it was not actually accessed on the inside that’s the mystery right that’s the Beautiful Mystery of the universe that’s the mystery of like what a woman’s body does so as far as I know it and I’m just being really really honest here what I’ve read in the things that I experience at that traditional level we’re less about going on the inside and more about the honoring and devotional aspect on the outside and that’s why I think that somewhere along the way probably probably pass the time of whatever was written about was where the inside of the body started to get incorporated as a means for for healing but here’s the same the lingam Yoni connected was on the inside so so you know what I mean you know what I mean so it’s like in a way your were accessing the mystery mine that yeah they actually did it just hit me so crystal clear right now we are so wounded and detached and not that every active sexual love has to involve and inserted object that’s a human lingam or just the idea that you can’t have sex with your doctor even if the doctor is trying to heal sexually or something that’s the reason I had to be really divorced from that Union is that we live in the modern world that’s hyper regulated so now it’s sort of it sort of like that maybe had to evolve into this clinical finger based process but then there’s there’s benefits from that it’s not like it’s the first time obviously have the entire world history of lesbian sex and all of the foreplay and like the Chinese were very advanced in their deer pillow books you know that it’s wasn’t like it was a history of reaching in there for various desired effects but have that makes a lot of sense that you wouldn’t you wouldn’t have to it wouldn’t be necessary nice way to practice back then it would just be okay partner up and do what you know how to do instinctually in when you going to stop on the wheel now you’re in front of this person and you need to get beyond all of your preconceptions about attraction or who you think you should be with or want to be with and it just has to go because this person is divine in front of you and and and now this is the practice you know you’re going to unite and you know what lesbianism gay people is it was like there was all kinds of sex even then it’s not like everybody was heterosexual and not and not everybody who went to sit with the guru is heterosexual but we understand and Tantra that there is a lock-in key effect that happens when you bring together the lingam in the Yoni so it doesn’t matter your orientation but for that specific practice in that Tradition at that time right now and that time it mattered that there was the lingam and the Oni connecting and that that was that sort of lock and key effect that unlocked the mysteries of the universe and your potential as a Divine being actually something you brought up in that in that bit there I think there is a lot of confusion around how the if I’m not you might be better be probably better pronouncing it then I have I don’t know if I’ve heard it actually spoken but the word my tuna or my through I don’t know if it’s a good position to kind of clarify and you just let me know you go to a Puja and it’s a cross between the preschool patty cake and whatever people were doing back when they were doing the five M’s and transgressive practices and passing around cups of wine so I just actually read in a book recently that the tantric way I believe it’s called is the country way I would like the most descriptive no-nonsense if you know it would take an issue it’s about a year of screening and then the ritual go on for about an hour and a half and they had this many cups of wine that were passed around in a circle and it was like all of the mechanics that I’ve never heard in one place at one time or read about what that ritual actually entailed and they even had sort of like I like a coat of arm or emblem kind of thing with little icons of the five transgressive gems and other stuff so you talked about just now you mentioned just briefly that that hooja of that ritual you would be you would be rotating like clockwork between potential strangers if they’re not they weren’t all strangers and it was to achieve some sort of mystical effective like you’re saying unlocking the universe and having you know he said he’s effects happen so do you want to give you her sort of a bit of share your understanding of what that would it look like it’s just as if you were you were giving it to a production crew so that they could reenact okay production crew I want to see what this look like I really you know but you know it’s interesting because I got it the first place that I go is more at that deeper level of what was the point of this and had a very deep level the point was non-duality was it was to understand that you know nothing was inherently bad that nothing is inherently good here we are using the five items that are completely forbidden to show that hey we can do this inside this ritual and and nobody’s going to burn in hell for doing it and nobody’s going to get brownie points to go to heaven either it’s it’s it’s it’s a non dual experience it’s a Continuum of the hole and so when I guess you know going back to the production level or there have to be some teaching on that and and you know I visualize and an inner circle and Outer Circle and a rotation of those Circle so that you are doing a sort of a mini poodle mini ceremony with each person that you’re with and each one has a meaning and has a connection to a to a different aspect of the ritual until you get to the point where you are now going to go into sexual Union and okay could I still be able to 2nd generation Fusion experience that I’ve had him on as a guest and he is a great perspective by calling the Karate Kid of Tasha in that experience a sequence of offerings and on rings and sort of time gestures that were so that you would go through a rotation numerous times and you would encounter the same person numerous times and it was sort of an Excel around o of of purpose and meaning and emotional depth so is that just to kind of put us in that in the frame a little bit you’re saying you wouldn’t just be like okay everybody strip down and person a on Inner Circle connect with person be on Outer Circle and sexually and then move on to the next would actually be like a sort of spiraling Cujo kind of practice wear multiple different interactions would happen if the oven on sexual nature that would lead up to okay now we’re getting to the end of the the union party absolutely because not all aspects of the ritual were sexual and you look at the the different aspects from what we know there’s you know there’s I’m ingesting a food or of a substance involved there is there there’s various aspects and then of course there’s there’s the devotional pieces and there’s Mantra and there’s meditation Mayo there’s a lot of auspices so here’s the thing is it and I love your question because you know the David Gordon white rights and I think it’s called the kiss of the Oconee that the difference between Neo Tantra and classical Tantra is that Neo Tantra is ritualized sex where classical Tantra is sexualized ritual well that is a big stinky yeah yeah need to be all aspects of it had some sexual component it means that we are doing ritual and inside that ritual to increase the potency or to unite more deeply or more parsley we’re going to add a desexualized aspect all right wow that’s so amazing I really like that yeah that that kind of sums it up a lot of the women I talk to who are country codes or are saying to me been if you have the opportunity to initiate a woman in the time sure you should you should refer her into a coven of tantric sisterhood’s where she can actually get purified of all of the douchebags she’s been fucking in her that you know Daddy Issues on stuff and then if she’s interested after that if she hasn’t totally changed her life path and she still is he not attracted to you then will you know arrange something for the both of you chaperoned you know what I mean that would be the the highest standard of Ethics that I could hold myself to with that you know the spirit of that idea of just like don’t just be harvesting souls and have a real sloppy scummy kind of you know where is a male practitioner or unit initiate women do if they come to it because they want better sex or they have their there they have whatever issues you know what do you think about those problems in general can opens up set up Pandora’s Box really big topic we can go to a lot of directions with it but here’s what I’ll say absolutely when there is a teacher-student relationship there’s always a the power Dynamic and so it’s important for all parties to be aware of that and naturally a student and aspirin would want to experience what a master is really like you know in in the sexual department so when that it would that opportunity is given to them they are probably going to grab at it and say yes I want to go for it how they feel later on is going to be a whole different story and that’s going to potentially either get the teacher and a lot of deep trouble or or make them all better of a teacher you know and end so there’s a lot of different scenarios and a lot to be said about that and I’ve dealt with it in in my circles many many times and you know obviously consent and various other preparations for something like that are important but here’s what I’ll say is that I would not be the woman that I am today and I would not be the t-shirt that I am today if I had not had sexual experiences with my teachers so I am deeply grateful and appreciative of those experiences because they taught me and gave me a reference point for what energy feels like in my body for how to awaken centers in my brain through my orgasm I wouldn’t have had those I would have no idea what that’s like if I hadn’t had those experiences and so I’m very grateful to them do you ever get that fair enough I kind of feel the same way I mean that’s kind of back-and-forth and it’s because you don’t like I’ve been trying to be the the purified feminist sort of shock to Tantra representative with on a tight leash you know at end as I pursue this cuz I’ve seen the people go through you decades if those pitfalls and I’d certainly you know standing on the backs of giants myself and using opportunities like this intelligently to get the best best practices from people further down the path I am so it was someone who said to me yeah you do women need to initiate Each Other Well what if what if they don’t want to but if they don’t want that. I mean so like what do I do so with that sort of comedy and see at Regal piece set up I’m I’m curious would you let say to you were in a situation where you have like you were Rolodex of masterful tantric men who you have either engaged with yourself or who have good reviews or whatever within your circle they’re sort of trust Trustees of the technology and you were to be a say oh my God I’m starting to sound like a a romance novel hear something but you actually are the Priestess who you know the the the new generation of initiates godino looks up to you to be able to have access but two of basically avoid all these pitfalls and so here’s the Practical question should there be a referee or an observer or somebody keeping things accountable to some level of of like Priestess class ethics and oversight for so that women don’t get mine fucked in like 10 really like spiritually raped by people who have more sort of of a black magic agenda whether they know it or not whether they’re true Sorcerers or they’re just unconscious sorceress Jose I know you’re not exactly a night and I actually love the way you frame to a referee and yes my answer is yes I believe that there should be a I think that that’s an important piece to when when engaging with students to have a another person and that that that the person in power can turn to and say hey I’m looking at connecting with this woman or this man you know nnn what do you think are they stable do you think it would be wise you know I didn’t really get a second opinion and have somebody who who has an unbiased opinion and in fact in an insta and International School Temple Arts you know in our training program at a certain point further down in the training you know that week-long training we open the field and we say what you know everybody can now engage in whatever way that they choose you know you hate your power to say no you’re empowered to call in your boundaries and that includes the facilitators however we won’t make invitation that’s that’s alright that’s our main pieces we will not make the invitation so somebody comes to us with an invitation who wants to connect before we can say yes then we need to go and speak to the other facilitators and that’s how we manage this power Dynamic that otherwise gets trampled on because you know a person and Powers as well you know this cute young hot thing wants to be with the teacher and yeah so we managed it. That’s so fascinating that’s beautiful and I’m so glad to hear that cuz I feel like coming full circle as we’re kind of wrapping up here on time it’s the essence of this whole conversation was where is the fucking Guru who knows how to fucking deal with this shit because this is serious shit you know and that that would be there maybe needs to be a security deposit or sort of like a you know I kept thinking I’d like an AA sponsor or something somebody who’s further down the path who’s trusted to make wiser decisions than you if you’re just starting at the bat and there doesn’t seem to be for a variety of reasons you know I just hear nothing but horror stories from young women who go to a meet up and just get I fucked by some Demon you know is whether it’s the teacher or just some sketchy dude off the street who could afford you know this relatively affordable way to buy something that was never to be sold really in that way many of us have been walking this path for a long time we’ve seen a lot of things just like what you’re explaining and we’re figuring ways out to get around that because we will not stop connecting when people want to connect with teacher we don’t believe that it’s a wrong path we just need to know how to do it the right way and there are those of us who are carving a path for that will thank you so much I can’t tell you what time we this is you know well I really feel the spirit just really beautiful Vibes with reconciling that cuz it can tear you apart I mean I’ve been nice I’d say I’ve been celibate most of my adult life just out of fear of being that guy you know and being that guy with Tantra is like being that guy on steroids if you know if you’re if you’re doing it wrong you know so well do you want to talk about your offerings now you know where people can find you and certainly how to connect and all that good stuff website is ecstatic awareness.com ecstatic awareness.com but that’s going to change in a few weeks I’m rebranding everything it’s going to move to my name Tree on become Aviv, I’m really excited about that I’m writing a book it’s going to be a foreman for soulful men sexuality for the Soulful man to reach out to me just go to my way my two websites for spitting on when you hear this and and reach out to me and we’ll just jump on the phone together and and see what you’re looking for what you need I’m happy to spend some time with you and and see how I can serve you and support you awesome thanks so much so and do you have any other final words or advice you like to share final words come talk to me if you’re curious about what I’ve said here you know reach out to me through my website find me on Facebook and and let’s have a conversation because if you’re curious about this path I’m happy and Overjoyed to be able to share awesome well thank you again so much I really appreciate it and all the work and play and effort you put into establishing yourself in this world and being a strong empowered voice and I really can’t thank you enough so yeah I have a great night and he’s got a www.hunterfan.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help us out a permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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