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Sex Worker Outreach In the Love Free or Die State with Ashley Fires TPP172

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In this episode I have the exquisite joy of sharing hope and invigoration to fight for sex worker rights with the highly accomplished veteran adult entertainment star Ashley Fires.

She shares her personal story of empowerment and success in the adult industry. We learn about her romance with New Hampshire and how she’s made a beautiful personal and professional life there in the liberity oriented political climate. We discuss the state of affairs in legislation affecting the adult industry and about how New Hampshire is in a great position to fully decriminalize sex work among consenting adults. She talks about her vitally important work as the current leader of the Sex Workers Outreach Project New Hampshire Chapter

We share our mutual visions for a more sexually expressive future and talk shop about what it will take to get some creative and fun initiatives going.

She does an amazing job establishing that it’s not just an industry, it’s a movement. We agree the war on sex is as real as the war on drugs and just as cannabis has been the gateway to more drug peace, and the policy reform on the horizon in New Hampshire may help to bring peace in the war on sex.

Please visit her at:
https://twitter.com/ashleyfires
https://www.instagram.com/therealashleyfires
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/5177/ashley-fires-fetish-clips

About Ashley:

Ashley is the Official Spokesmodel for the biggest Fetish site on the net “Clips4sale.com.” You may recognize her from her many late night appearances on CINEMAX, HBO, SHOWTIME, and PLAYBOY TV in her famed B Horror and Sexy Soft Core roles! Ashley has also starred in over 300 adult feature films, been featured on hundreds of Box Covers and can be seen on thousands of websites. She worked with such companies as ADAM AND EVE, DIGITAL PLAYGROUND, BRAZZERS, KINK.COM, NAUGHTY AMERICA, ELEGANT ANGEL, WICKED, HUSTLER, EVIL ANGEL, and PENTHOUSE.

As a Glamour model she has graced the cover and centerfold pages of TABOO, HUSTLER, NUGGET, LEG SHOW, XBIZ, GLAMOR GIRL, VON GUTTENBURG, BUTTMAN, BIZZARE, and AVN.

She has been a recurring guest on many national radio shows such as “BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE“, “THE JASON ELLIS SHOW“, AND “THE HOWARD STERN SHOW!”

She has also done a number of interviews for such publications as the “LA TIMES”, “LA WEEKLY”, “BIZZARE”, “HUFFINGTON POST”, and “THE DAILY BEAST”

Ashley was nominated for multiple AVN Awards including “Best Web Star” and “Best Actress.” Also been nominated by The XBIZ Awards for “Best Web Starlet” and “Best Performer” She is the WINNER of “SEXIEST ADULT STAR” for the 2013 THE SEX AWARDS. She also won the title of “Miss Summer XBIZ 2009!”

Currently Ashley runs her own production studio and produces award winning adult content.

She is also the Chapter Leader for SWOP (Sex Workers Outreach Program) New Hampshire.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to touch your Punk podcast episode number 172 I’m being joined by Ashley fires and she is at 15-year adult actress veteran and now an independent adult content producer and is also the sex workers Outreach project leader in the state of New Hampshire where some very interesting and exciting things are happening with regards to really Shifting the Paradigm around decriminalizing sex work and it’s a long time coming no pun intended and we really need to I’m sure tonight they just they just write themselves but but yeah I just a little bit of background from you leading up to this conversation and is that at one of my dear friends in the Tantra healing movement was very instrumental in pivotal activist in the swap organization and we have we been on the show before but she she kind of brought me into that Community a little bit and I I felt like I I wish I had connected with with it much more in some of the other chapters in my life where I was more or heavily sex working I guess you could say but as I’ve been coming out of the closet more in reaching out a networking it’s really it’s really heartwarming to see the level of Frontline advocacy work and activist work and Legend other work that that’s why I was doing it so any any chance I get to to learn about what they’re doing in to defeat Tria time I’m proud to and I’m extra proud to have this this moment to share with Ashley because of all of the connections going on in in New Hampshire and the libertarian movement and the free state project and the cryptocurrency that’s going on there so it seems like all of these Liberatore forces are about to really probably for the first time you know an American history actually not just legalized like marijuana but to decriminalize it and make it something free for consenting adults to do in private and to exchange probably whatever means if digital or or actual currency that they choose so with that said that you would be exactly should be just. It’s not just the old system in the world vital part of human life and yet it’s stigmatized shamed and you know used to control the opposite ends of the spectrum right and the the thought that I’m going to hand you have like Roe v Wade at this time here now might might be challenged right and then and then on the other hand you have New Hampshire Live Free or Die. Mike criminalizing prostitution and I was drawn to it a while back after chest of those. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it could be back up and just get more of your background you have such an amazing bio here I would love to get people salivating just hearing about some of your your work over the years leading up to this and then we can we can zoom into the into this yet what are Yas Harley so I been a sex worker my entire adult life 2018 I started dancing in Las Vegas as I grew up in California drive up to Vegas during the weekend go make a bunch of money and I drive back and go to school 2002 I started doing fetish work when that was private sector inside Dungeons and also French for sure it yours and sprinkle them with some fetish on camera off camera little this little that 2011 12 years now directing producing tellin you no hair makeup Cross services type stuff from Los Angeles like singing on sex workers that you know growing up in California you know what else we done at that point honey turned upside down best part of it but it was also a few years back the adult industry the adult entertainment industry has its own like me too movement and I was on the front lines that was so difficult that was you know it really brought into question a lot of wait culture if you know I started looking at how I other performer complicit or perpetuating such Behavior and do something about it or I can get out of the way but I couldn’t be inactive and so that’s why I became a voice this was in 2015 I started thinking about you know civil liberties for all people and rights as human beings especially in the workplace in the workplace and Kim on the question many times on social media towards me what if your work even work like a consensus was unless you know even if they are allies some not as such an emotional labor and get you you you know you could you do such a vital natural part of everyday father me so I decided to get is there a swamp here I tried to find a New Hampshire thought there was no such thing as I will have is there a demand for it there’s plenty of energy up there and it’s it’s about having a a camaraderie and you know this coming up next year that are actually like fundraisers get people involved why would you want to help us people well first of all through human and goodbye terminated against personally and I could go on and on that but you know it’s it’s about community and it’s about dismantling people wear the same rights and civil liberties as any other human being out there you know and add to it the SEPTA fossa God of centrally Deus Ex Berg on the table here and there’s definitely stuff that I wanted to say something since I have you into this is really exciting to me the Insight that you have as far as New Hampshire goes because the first time in the adult industry that I discovered of the fact that there’s only two jurisdictions really in the United States were pouring is actually protected as free speech I am not not to be prosecuted is pandering for prostitution camping so New Hampshire getting that status along with California I don’t really I probably glance the Wikipedia on that before I don’t know if there was like a case precedent there was like a pivotal case that happened but do you know anything about a cool can we do we get into just like you were romance with New Hampshire and you’re rolling in the industry there and then just why how does it it’s not eating meat you would think Vegas would be the only other place but actually it’s not but then you have New Hampshire and it’s kind of a left-field thing unless you think about the libertarian movement I don’t know that anything to do with it so whatever you have to share about that I would be so grateful to hear your insights I don’t really know much about the president case that that made you know it legal to shoot pornography in New Hampshire do you know that it was a guy who hired a couple to have sex in front of a mini video tape it and they they called that in a pandering or whatever they called it but are they are they were having sex at something it turned out to be hold on me so they fought it and they won and it was not considered prostitution it was considered making a movie right now an adult film because you wasn’t an attempt to distribute it it was like a personal thing or something anyways I don’t know I honestly don’t know much about it but I know it’s like you know set the precedent and you would think that because it is legal here more people would come in and shoot babe there’s basically maybe four or five. Yeah it’s a 1.3 million but still you think more people would come and exercise that right you know he’s come in and just check things out look around it’s all good they walk around and look it’s perfectly okay and you know there’s no reason why I mean if people want to have sex and get paid for it and try to make money and today you know you open up a PornHub Channel or like a clips4sale or whatever and make your own life just doing what you’re going to do at home that’s that’s a that’s why I fell in love with New Hampshire a while back yeah so what was your story of how did you encounter a New Hampshire and was it was it for what some people call it in the crypto space in a regulatory Arbitrage if you could go there and get a better you know 6 and set up with the state as far as the regulations go but what was it that Drew you there originally tonight at the married almost 13 years and they are actually in Vermont and we found out what we can check it out, got a place sight unseen and moved out like literally like a month and I love it here I mean I know this in the winter but you know seven years and I I’d like to hear it say I wish there were more people willing to come here and freely Express themselves sexually you know I was trying to give opening act like a kinky B&B because they’re going to be right here Tantric live in Sikeston you know it could be like a bit of a learning experience with you no panels and and demonstrations and stuff I mean I did a touch of that a while back and there’s amazing but I remember growing up being unreal sax a whole segment on tantric sex and you know it here ever since AT&T bought HBO they’re getting rid of all actual content of a stand of our way we’re waiting for the masses then tomorrow we will hook up take care of everybody you like I want to be I want to have us in that as that happens it’s ready to sign up The Exodus of this is this is I’m painting this picture I’ve been on the East Coast I’ve been to New Hampshire I don’t think I have stopped there for anything I may have stopped there for for some some classic Serta legendary Cuisine is probably what words would have me go through there but I’ve been on the East Coast number of times and I love the vibe I love the fact that the seasons cuz in La there’s not really season so you see autumn and winter and you get to enjoy spring and all that so I’m just in this moment of painting is picture of you having the BMV in and actually I had this idea a while back to say exactly in line with what you’re saying what should be how I feel like it’s so important that that we have places to go and freely and be as loud as we want and not feel like they’re watching us or you know unless we wanted to or whatever but actually we need like an Airbnb opportunity for couples and whoever even singles who want to go and be sexual in nature and in any Hampshire there’s so much beautiful while nature you can have some property with like a you know Victorian home on there or something even more you know the Eco kind of radical alternative but that’s going to be the place that I want to see this happen for sure you no place like you sending your and it’s growing in there is some some major thought leaders in that so I haven’t seen how the ecosexuality movement sort of thought leaders are really interfacing with with the activist movement of swapped but it sounds like we’re kind of making a little bit of magic here just talking about the stuff I’m sure that some interesting things will happen and probably they’ll have to maybe where you all do as a host to conference and invite me up speakers and authors and workshops just like you said you don’t even even if you rent to a facility and you kind of do a test of the model and and you know I’m sure it would it would be a very successful and maybe fundraise for the actual the legal work that needs to be done to get these decrypt the determination happen that’s probably segue to ask you what would you like to share about the the role that you and and swap are playing with the people who actually able to lobby and able to write legislation and in affect the political landscape as far as the decriminalization movement there so I would love to share who I’ve been talking with but I’m I’m not sure I have their permission I have been talking with them people represent in Congress and one Senator but I like I said I’m not going to tell anybody I don’t know I don’t know you no discussion but there is someone who helped offer a very confident that decriminalization effects work in New Hampshire is highly possible in the near future we want docs any politicians Erie but I’m sure everything will be press release you know will be forthcoming and in a lot of press will be on that so I’m just curious because I want to let you know I want to build a summer home there at the very least you know and maybe change my my residency to there and just go warm places I done for me I’m a I’m a real chicken when it comes to to freezing cold weather but but I would go in the Northeast is just get out of the Northeast during the affective disorder the point of a fireplace kind of cozy people who live here are gorgeous to come visit you should come to that I think I’m going to to to relocate my residency there as soon as humanly and financially possible for so so so many reasons and and one of them I will put out there and maybe isn’t necessarily your cup of tea or what you want to associate with personally but for anybody listen who hasn’t really Ducks doe dug into the opportunity that is the Free State movement or free state project and just the whole the whole certain regulatory Arbitrage thing is happening there so many things for different Lifestyles but one of them is that they have something called constitutional carry where you can carry a concealed weapon for your self-defense obviously just by the simple fact of you being a citizen of the United States with a constitutional right to bear arms and that is not being obstructed by any of the you know any of the forces that be that would that would have whatever reason you know whatever and motivation right baby recommend you go and register or get a permit with the local police but but you don’t even need a permit now that passed I think 2 years ago I’m about 2 years ago I was I was I mean I’m a total Progressive socialist but yeah that’s what I believe well you know what this reminds me of one one of the most powerful sex worker goddesses that I’ve ever met she is such a a heroin to me and one of the things that she said which is so apropos this conversation is that she would like to say this the sort of bit of wisdom she had and she basically said you know you can it’s legal for you to go down to a gun shop and buy a gun but you can’t buy my pussy that’s how powerful my pussy is you can buy separately but if you go to the Hampshire pretty soon you’re going to be able to buy both with your favorite cryptocurrency I know that’s funny letter fireworks from liquor stores that are you staying out of that is so great I am so there I’ve had I’ve had enough with everything I just said and I even thought of how it would be nice I like what you said this is important to to know what you said about you we do need those winter months to actually heal and until it’s I feel like the people are running on such hyperdrive in LA because there aren’t it feels like there’s really no season so there’s no introspection there’s no self-reflection there’s no getting close with the family or with the Beloved at it with the land you know being a part of those Cycles so I really do feel like I probably I probably fall in love so much that I won’t care to leave so even if it’s freezing cold because I’ll be around the campfire you know I’ll be around if you know this the the wood stove or whatever maybe so I know it’s gorgeous and it’s so cute really you’re the season Majestic earlier today and not because of smog smog 6% Caucasian but that was a bit of a culture shock for sure Caucasian it turned out which is which also further to the stigma of the same kind of like if there is such a thing as middle class in Hollywood now I feel driving I guess it depends on who’s driving I got there in four and a half but you can get all of the action all of the food everything I could to make sense to to be posted up legally in New Hampshire for so many reasons and then I can imagine it I kind of imagined that it would be the Vegas or or like you’re saying but I’m surprised that there isn’t a more of a booming adult Production Studio house industry given that you could it’s it’s bad. It sounds like it’s about as far as away is Vegas and everyone fled to Vegas when the the kind of life started taking enforceable effects in the LA County area so that’s a question I have for you is it you know if you’ve been following the the regulation around and this sort of the big money the big money clinical groups who are trying to shut down the street on the health but with the health department as a sort of there their battering ram into the industry I’m curious in New Hampshire are they is it is there any specifications from the health department or health code that that are trying to set the rules for the industry for the porn industry there it is it is the Wild Wild West out here we are more people more to join you know start producing they would have to try to regulate but I don’t know if they would because I really don’t think they would I adhere to the same you know guidelines as as far as testing goes the only difference is I need to get tested we we provide them with testing we make sure everyone we we go through this last we have this very detailed checklist I think it was inspired by Nikki Benz and if possible the only difference is we’re not paying Los Angeles or Las Vegas free small company but you know we talked about splitting, according Talent from Vegas and Los Angeles and you know kind of responsibility regulating type of business you just have to have trust that all people are you know I’m doing the right thing around that is because yeah I think that I think like Outlets sexually here you know I said you know if you will actually liberated place like you know I even thought about you some Leaf peeping directed in the professional studio shoot up or down with your spouse just that sounds like a great guy honestly before you even were saying this stuff I could I was just it was a premonition that you would be talking about this because I I just felt like you were going to probably end up working in some capacity with the Chamber of Commerce of wherever whatever region or whatever sort of municipality or me to Sally’s and actually help that like what you’re you can’t you know you can’t afford your Public Works projects you know your new parks are being closed down for whatever reason well here we got the screws it’s going to be amazing yeah I can see it now and start building and I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now I can of gas its people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I I I want to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I talk to Subway to get a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good it’s the best I feel like you have a lot of love but I like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this is would be a place for people that veteran died literally I mean you know they call it in the adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of you in if you’re not in front of the camera and doing the stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in a note and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping living out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as veterans violence and brutality in Warfare civilians is military yeah that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval of being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performers have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Crypto-Economic Solutions for the Sex Industry with Leah Callon-Butler TPP137

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In this episode I’m joined by Leah Callon-Butler for a high level exploration of crypto-economic solutions for the sex industry. She shares her impressive professional background leading to her role in co-founding the intimate.io blockchain startup. We commiserate on the state of the sex industry world-wide and she provides powerful prophetic  insight into the positive and empowering transformation that’s on the horizon.

About Leah:

Leah is the Engagement Director for intimate, a cryptocurrency that is challenging institutional bias against the adult and sex tech industries. With over a decade’s experience spearheading the business development and growth strategies for a range of emerging tech startups, she devoted a large part of her MBA to the topic of social entrepreneurship. This lead her to work with the United Nations Environment Program Finance Initiative (UNEP FI), and actively participate in a range of gender equality movements, including a leadership development program for young women, and a global non-profit that empowers disadvantaged women to achieve economic independence.

Email: leah@intimate.io
Twitter / Telegram: @leah_cb
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahcallonbutler/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 137 I am so excited to share with you the work of intimate. IO I have Leah Calvin Butler who is the co-founder and engagement director at this blockchain startup based would you say it well it’s a global team right so we would you say your base mainly in the UK or in London LA and Sydney but we’ve got change distributed all over the world actually so a decentralized to centralized lifestyle right is what it is now so little bit of a backstory anybody who has been listening to the podcast for at least the last few months since I have become a devotee of the Legacy now of Satoshi Nakamoto in this cypherpunk crypto anarchists Evolution into now highly mainstream highly established uses for blockchain technology that the fundamental backbone of how cryptocurrencies work in Bitcoin was the 1st game in town with that and now we on the podcast I’ve been looking at the intersection of people involved in sex work in the adult entertainment industry and looking at the all of the different pain points that blockchain technology would be so perfect to solve and really kind of calling out and and praying to find people who are really capable with this technology to get in and and start helping to solve some problems and of course there’s plenty of riches to be had this is a very interesting time and if you listen to a few episodes back you’ll hear the the continuity here this is really I can’t I can’t say it enough going to answer to so many prayers to be having this conversation right now so with all that said Leah thank you for bearing with that long intro and please tell us all about your personal background and what led you what led to your interest in creating technological solutions for the adult industry so much for having me a real honor to be invited onto this show and have the opportunity to share a bit more about what we’re doing time is the blockchain space because I had a professional background working and renewable energy industry for many years and I actually left that industry in a bit of a house because I was quite tired of this conversation that we’re going on between people rather than kind of moving to a new paradigm around sustainability and and a renewable future I found that some people were still thinking so short him and with the energy Market itself I found that we could really make real progress there are those that wanted to install solar on a roof Houston selves because that’s a good when I was the best one all week yes thank you to a kind of plastics industry in a hospital I thought some you know they needs to be a big shift before we actually see anything changing I couldn’t see how that would happen as long as the palace that they were in control so it was about a year ago that I was sitting with a mentor of mine and I was having the same kind of ranch and when we actually going to see a renewable teach him and he said hey I’m going to send you a case study I want you to check it out and tell me what you think and he emailed me a reference to the Brooklyn microgrid not sure if you’ve heard about it but it was the first project with a proves that you could actually create a Pia to Pia energy trading Market on the blockchain it’s incredible incredible stuff at least one which was is in Brooklyn New York and on one side of the street they had houses that had legs like solar panels producing much more than all the residents on that side of the street could use and then on the other side of the street people didn’t have any solar panels and what they were doing is actually selling the excess solar energy solar she didn’t have a whole lot of options on what they’re going to do with it I think it’s still sell it at a discount right size but be making it a much higher profit than what they would usually do if they had to sell it back to the great I am very passionate about sustainability this really blew my mind and I could really mean and today I think anyone has any clue how this could potentially reimagine their entire world but I also thought that a lot of people would just applying change anything because you know technology right now actually benefit decentralization and some of the other benefits that come with synthetic wax you need such as being able to transact privately but also built on trust and reputation on top of that it was for the Australian digital currency Association in Australia and John just just basically networking with a lot of his face and he is the he’s my car founder as well with goat on street I found it when I was saying Ruben nice and smile and myself had this Visionary idea to create a blockchain Solutions Seattle industry and it’s a lot about it but when I started to learn about some of the problems that people were facing in a space to find another industry that would benefit most from this type of Technology because I am really passionate about social intelligence and social impact initiatives I hadn’t found anything with the technology had such such potential to actually make a real impact on people’s lives to empower and protect them and hopefully remove some of the stigma by as well and I have been very very keen to find others who have that background for a really deep into crypto and yeah this is this is really so exciting to me at 6 that’s a whole nother episode we can get into for sure and but it just really adds to the ecological thinking so I’m sure yeah well I’m sure we’ll get into that I’m going to reel it in before I get too excited about that aspect so you want to talk more about your your role at intimate day today what is it look like you are people in China how do I actually present to the world kind of conversations we want to be driving who are we inviting into a community and essentially what kind of impact we want that to have on the world so extremely passionate about driving a six positive conversation which is fully inclusive an authentic to the way that we do that too is I had a lot of people within a community that we often turn to that they will actually come out and tell their own personal stories and how they believe that this technology can help them so I meeting of people and identifying who can help us amplify a story for the also will thank you for doing a great work can you kind of share some of what are those those initial conversations are like when you were unwrapping folks to this technology and understand your pain point we actually did a Christmas party in London in partnership with pool reiman Publications which is the biggest adult content site to find out how much they know about cryptocurrencies performance and what’s a basic knowledge of how they go about that sir that was fascinating because I have to say I was completely blown away but everybody there knew all the benefits of the cryptocurrencies so especially being able to transact privately but that’s even more important was they were fully aware that opportunity to be able to build trust and reputation and that’s something that is incredibly important to people that physically where they doing real well physical interactions with a client at the moment is very poor ignore you trust mechanisms of this industry we were sticking with some escort she said that they’d best mechanism for trust is to speak to someone on the phone and I know exactly who knows every talking about well I’m through so just to have an incentive mechanism in this be able to encourage people to be good actors on the network and excellent feedback people with very much I’ve been to using and accepting cryptocurrency volatility accessibility to the market and essentially just the complexity of the spice anise technology is relatively example Bitcoin is my man has such scalability issues because they want all the benefits without having to manage any of that complexity will have to worry about faces going out and action figures I mean scalability issues or even things like hard. I just don’t want to know about that so that’s something that we spend a lot of time at intimate doing we realize that this cryptocurrency has to be completely simple the people you said I can actually incorporate it into their daily lives of ways we do that did you want me to go over there now a good sense of your roll there and in some of the perfect kind of foreshadowing to now how does that was get in under the hood and and talk a bit about how all this works and and maybe first just for those who understand the sort of the concept of an elevator pitch you know the sort of one one several sentence to a few short paragraphs of what the problem statement is and then we’ll really get into the under the hood stuff I’m really excited for that has been designed by and for the adult industry and what is the time to do is to facilitate payments and reputation within the industry the trust reputation pace is really exciting as we believe that this is the future and we actually think she that industry is the perfect place to test this proof-of-concept because this new industries that have craving Safety and Security of the benefit of an adult said that there’s going to be a few Industries don’t want that what that access to voluntary disclosure of their on jatta and complete privacy so well yeah there’s so many dimensions it just it’ll make your head spin if you I mean yeah I just literally so many and then but just smart contracts would she not sure what we’ll get into as well it’s it’s a it goes into as many levels of complexity as you can imagine and Beyond so well the low-hanging fruit trust is essentially fixing payments in this industry and which talking to people around the fear of volatility but even try that it’s just kind of getting out of some of the barriers that institutional bias have imposed on this is industry essentially going back to step one given that this industry is so stigmatized we took my clients every day and he how frustrated that they they are a bank account with a mainstream financial institution they get charged exorbitant credit card processing fees if I want to get a working capital loan I Get Ridiculous interest payment gateways refusing to deal with people I mean this problem is so old is incredibly broad we with everything from an online on demand platform for hiring an escort right through to Commerce platforms that sell sex toys and novelties through to a Japanese love Hotel Group. To provide a Intimate Apparel and also things like dating services as well so we we really in compass a lot in that space of adult that was amazing is that every single person in his face is experiencing the same problems so I could give you some examples of one of my partners is a brand called them and they make Emoji things you can get the original eggplant and I’ve recently played as well I think I really fell in love with him when I first met Chris Pratt’s female car found she came up with the idea to start because she thought there was a real issue with some of her female pee is only thing I want to discuss their and sexual identity and she thought will he practically for a lot of them it’s quite an awkward conversation to be having so she wanted to give lightheartedness and humid to the topic that it High play that could open up discussion for a lot of people and have some pretty incredible benefits for their lives and their relationships so just to put a my Jeep Ida if you didn’t know it was a vibrator it would look like a plastic vegetable it is really really time on the on the spectrum of being explicit but this business that currently running most beautiful a personal bank accounts cuz they can’t get Event open an account for them PayPal won’t deal with them it had terrible issues trying to set up their online e-commerce platform with Shopify and strut their ads on Facebook and this all comes down to us and stigmatisation there in the sticks bucket nobody wants to deal with them and we just think that that’s completely wrong it’s extortion if it was any other industry people would be backing out to support people and filing class-action but because it’s Seattle industry we filled it some z’s entrepreneur is not getting the support they need another group that we were created is a group of Japanese love hotels they have terrible issues being able to Market their properties to a global audience because bookings.com and other aggregator website will not stay hotels because they love hotels if you don’t know what they are basically hotels where you can book in increments of say a half hour or an hour beautiful properties again you know if you’re going to list pictures of them on a website you wouldn’t be able to tell much difference between them in another hotel but because they’ve got a satellite blown them they have so many issues accessing the most basic services so what does industry mean crypto I’ve being essentially a currency that haven’t been issued by a central bank or government we can completely bypass all of those problems and actually stopped at Tri-C that has special attribute built just for this industry so that’s actually doing them and we think this is going to lead to some pretty amazing Innovation for example in this industry parents of broken completely broken and it’s a lot of potential Revenue to too late from this industry so I was just one exam so I would use the tube size and the pool in space I mean this free porn is prolific now and it’s every way I mean we’ve been speaking to the line especially its ux problem a lot of these spots on spit up to deliver a really easy seamless payment experience people that really want to be giving up then they credit card details to some coincide thing they worried about it or they don’t want to come up on credit card bill and someone to see what they’ve been buying so this is real kind of friction between people wanting to access particular products and services but not really having this Safety and Security and potential privacy that they they really did if you don’t mind can I can I see some right there I wanted to see if you were familiar with the sort of inspired it all by the the brave browser and the basic attention token kind of model as disintermedia Ting bad add experiences where you can actually use micropayments to opt out of ads and you can still support content and just just micropayments and tipping as being something that is is being perfected now so is that is that any thought also about cleaning up some of the porn user experience by using this kind of basic attention token kind of concept for being able to monetize and pay performers and producers and web hosts adequately people looking at different ways to be able to make this work I love seeing this so many different ideas in this space about how to monetize Industries like this through micropayments this is so many different option another thing in which is great shoe is if we can actually put some Majin back into the industry because we don’t have to essentially be relying on middleman to facilitate these types of transactions we think that’s actually going to bring a lot more quality back into the space as well in terms of payments we actually think that it wasn’t that long ago that people would say I’m not paying for music I can just download it for free but then I change came in and Revolution revolutionize the space to open off of single chickens at 99 Cents and then people had a lot more choice about how they would actually choose and purchase and consume their content in a rather than having to buy a whole album and now is that more and more companies of spending $12 a month of my subscription to Spotify because it’s a live is excellent content is completely tile it’s made with amazing III algorithms and it’s a great stuff we think that the animal industry is is relaxing that and a lot of it is because if you took away the label if I don’t I think that’s really smart entrepreneurs out there he would look at this industry and think wow to come in and do something great for the Spice which is clearly understood but as soon as you put the label on it many people want it all because they were rotational risk of what other people will think of some of the most basic problems examples setting out with payments that we can actually build something that’s going to be a lot more relevant to people and easier-to-use so essentially Spotify. Play Future there’s so many value-added opportunities in especially the poor in space and actually something that just dawned on me right now as you were speaking in kind of connecting his. Says I just realized you know the way I applied to actually even even sort of sexually spiritually intellectually emotionally developing a human being by feeding them appropriate adult content based on their age based on their preferences and actually not just sort of by contorting them to the lowest most of the lowest common denominator of extreme abusive I mean that’s the other shadow of it is at there’s a huge market place there’s a huge it’s not even a niche it’s like all of the people who are fundamentalist monotheistic Korn haters are jerking off to porn the most and in the most shame and secrecy about it because because there’s very few adult production houses that are serving at Marketplace as they should be you could really sell it you know you just touched on something that I am extremely passionate about at the moment I think because there is such high barriers-to-entry in this industry and it’s so difficult for entrepreneurs who have to come in and just access basic banking information services to have to set up a business experience because I really believe that this is stifling Innovation is it space and perhaps ironically the reason that would not say any diversity is because it’s this stigmatisation that is keeping people but if we can actually make the industry a lot more open and inclusive and bought some more people in I think we’re actually going to say in Thai a new market segments open up I think we’re going to stay completely need customer design is developed completely new products that people haven’t even dreamed about the full but the new services and I think that’s really exciting because if we can actually get to a place where we live in you have said yes to Justin tips about what it’s like to be adapting to this new thank you I mean you’re providing a platform for people to express themselves and you’re finding people like me who you know I’m nobody in this world and at the same time I very I feel like I’m a very important piece of the puzzle and I haven’t always felt that way my own self value wasn’t where it’s at and I you know I need the others and you need the others and so you already doing so much and I really appreciate you reaching out and wanting to give a voice to people like me who maybe you’re not on the you know I feel like I’m behind the scenes a lot and you can’t necessarily reach out to to you know I don’t know bigger a larger what it’s called platforms and say Authority terribly I need to speak on this or be on a panel specifically and yet at the same time so many opportunities like this have presented themselves to me like being on humans going are the libertarian Radio free talk live or or your show and so many others and so it’s it’s such a beautiful synchronous synchronicity how we all find each other and I’m being hard open to supporting each other and that’s what it’s all about so to me when people ask me what is a blockchain artist what makes you a crypto artist or what how can I get involved in this way if I don’t have any coding skills or if I don’t have any if I don’t feel like a nerd at hard or any or if I don’t have any connection the truth is that most of the people that are even curious about this movement or that believe in Freedom are already a part of this movement you know what I mean and it’s just lack of Education or lack of information and lack of system or container though it’s being created right now and so anything that you care about and if you respect freedom and the evolution of humankind through compassion and love that is blockchain with me and I know it sounds really extreme for some people but it’s really is I mean if your yoga teacher that you can download Ed secure whatever wallet of your choice I love Edge they you know they just upgraded to their shape-shifting converting application which they didn’t have before and I just downloaded it and it’s Sue me my favorite while it’s always recommend that you use in a hot while it on your phone you can just download something like that in 3 seconds and all of a sudden your yoga teacher who takes crypto you know what I mean it and it’s awesome in this is what I do at my my events like that we have the exist festival.com for South by Southwest and is not an official South by event is a disruptive one because you know I love songs by and I painted a giant mural for South by that’s going to be showing at the Expo Center for Austin Rodeo I love what they’re doing so many ways they’ve also turn down quite a few female speakers for the blockchain fan I don’t know enough about what they’re doing and I’m sure there’s reasons why everybody dusted the things I do but I think it’s important to set up other events are outside of the you know of the gates of South by in the rules and so on so that’s why we’re where we can bring in a bunch of artists who have never heard of a Cryptid before or we’re interested in it and teach him how to download wallet and then make their sales for there vending whatever they’re running t-shirts and arts and whatever in crypto and there you got like that’s all it takes so when I get on an Uber or Lyft or Rideshare I asked them if they take crypto and they look at me like I’m crazy and then I showed them how to download the wallet and then I took them in crypto and when I go to any any local shop or any restaurant I just automatically always ask do you take pepto and they just look at me confused and then they ask and then I tell them and so it’s just word of mouth and that’s it very small way in which and how we can educate each other just asked about it as if it’s part of your normal life because do you know and so the more people we have on the system to better that easier we’re all going to to evolve within this I don’t know if the answer is exactly the question that you are totally practical tips for people who want to just be ya be a part of the movement and and adapt and actually alter reality one day at a time just with whatever means you have you know yeah that’s exciting cuz you know I’ve had had a similar kind of a journey of just wanting to onboard friends and just get people excited about it and really the best way to do it is just to get them started with someone just downloaded wallet. I’m going to tip you or I’m going to split the mule and give you your you know percentage the Crypt or whatever and and that just gets that gets the party started anybody & M I C while you’re talking I was imagining they’re being a i y bet there’s got to be some art galleries in the world that just give what is QR codes on every piece so in case you don’t want to buy it you can just tip the artist while you’re there be a white of all the art that I’m so like thrilled to behold in my eyes when I go to an art gallery I would go in there with a budget to tip all the all the artist that I thought really blew my mind you know that’s a whole number and thank you for saying that because I seriously have been wanting to make a video on this for so long thank you for reminding me I want I want all the spray paint artist mural is due to get a QR code stencil and so many times that I’ve been moved by a mural and I yeah you can buy it and you can buy a piece by the artist I’m just freaking said man like $1 a hundred people $1 and then you go home and the artist girl out in the world like how insanely amazing about education if nobody told me that I could do better if I wasn’t a part of this movement I would not have either. So yes I think every Gallery should have a key or code next to their pieces for sure and hopefully work making it easier and easier to have these things be more accessible and just like you said you know split a meal and pay in in crypto just like you would do with venmo or PayPal is very easy and another thing that I think is important to mention is that at first when Bitcoin came out in the early adopters now that Bitcoin was more like a Welsh holding system and still now you know it’s people assume that that you have to have a lot of money to get into crypto but I love the people at and dash dash people talked about this a lot and then cash and Litecoin you don’t fast transaction this is a system that I believe in I’m so tired of using Banks and I’m so tired of using Fiat I don’t want it anymore so I don’t actually hold its on a crypto I’m not at a point where my Abundant Life reflects in my in my wallet but I do get to use crypto every day to do my everyday things and every time a little more and so even if you just want to download a wallet and put 10 bucks into either or 10 bucks into like going or Dash or whatever your favorite currency is just put it there and do nothing with it and check it again in a month and see what happens or just how about you don’t have something like $100 and whenever you go do something if they take crypto you can transfer that and just start really small it’s it’s such a mountain of information that I can be very overwhelming I sign up for a steaming a couple a couple weeks ago and I’ve heard about steemit for for those of you who don’t know it’s a platform like it has all these different channels you can blog writing you can put up videos it’s basically a decent realized turn off all the social media that we use today so right now if you comment on YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or Instagram you don’t get paid for your value and reviewing people’s content but on steemit you basically get rewarded for being an active member of the community you get paid for voting for curating and you can receive a lot of steam power and crypto money basically for producing good content that is useful to people and it cannot be tamed innocence other than by the users and the population and so it’s a really amazing system in everyone’s use it for a long time but I was kind of intimidating by it finally I made an account into two and a half weeks to clear which is insane and and I’ve been getting super overwhelmed with learning how to use it and I just try to continue to watch one video day and do little things at a time and in no time I’ll be an expert you know that’s all it takes so just I hope that people don’t get over Round And if you’re curious just continue learning just a little bit at a time you don’t have to be an expert overnight exactly. I’m glad yes team is amazing and probably going to totally crush it on there just is it doing writing published his stuff it’s been specially in the crypto space is people that it’s amazing some of the mounts you can get off of that and it shows you how big data is really extracting so much value from users of platforms and it’s it’s it’s not going to be long before just because it’s free means that you just give them all your data and sign away the property rights and all that stuff is is going to be replaced by this micropayment ecosystems where people can support each other you know value in the content that they consume and and being really well well supported in and I think it’s going to do the asking to do a lot of amazing some of her friends yesterday we were talking about all them you know thousands of jobs disappearing as robots take over and Singularity and all the stuff and at some point in my life I was really concerned about this you know yet where are aliens off drivers truck drivers going to go when we have also if driving cars do you know all the stuff but the answer is blanching all these people will be doing things in blockchain I will be getting paid well for it and it’ll take less time and I mean from the Tim Ferriss 4-Hour Work Week on and everything. Having high developments off technology and be more efficient with our time does not mean that we is not does not need to be scary you know there’s a lot of stuff within fast Evolution that is that is concerning to me specially how fast were developing and growing and how our security initiatives are not all the party yet and I think we’re getting there so there’s a lot of concern of course but anyting however I don’t think that we all really grasp or we’re starting to now how how much we really don’t have to work 90 hours a week or whatever the ridiculous things we do you know that the whole point of this is that micro payments and micro contributions from everybody involved will react what time for us to to be humans to exist to just let me know this is such an interesting new development in the sort of f have that imprint of a techno dystopia since childhood from all the Sci-Fi and I watched it and then you know you imagine this world where humans are made up sleep by robotic technology and Ai and I’ve been pretty sure that those prospects especially now is drones of coming to the picture and now I really feel like it as of this moment this kind of is really the undeniable presence in the now of both of those dystopic seems coming coming nauseous to come to life but coming into existence but then as you’re saying which is actually so Redemptive for sheep the human soul is that like she was an example something might you might have some thoughts on as far as empowerment but it’s like the the sort of this myth of the scarcity of worthwhile productive labor that can be done with from picking up trash to planting trees to cleaning up toxic waste like through the blockchain micropayments and sort of micro temporary employment contracts that can really enfranchise all the homeless people to get a micro crypto payment without actually showing up and waiting in line to get in the welfare program or get into a you know some sort of job placement program you can just be like you know you show up on the there’s some spill like a whip there’s some kind of cleanup has to happen and people can just mop it and and have day labor crypto payments and there will really never be a gap between meaningful work and and fair pay and there’s plenty of wealth in the crypto world alone to finance stuff like that and even if you know whether it’s through a nonprofit system or through taxes done I mean I’m not going to endorse taxes in general but but you kind of know what I’m saying so how do you feel about that you feel like that’s the direction we’re going to go and there are so many projects that have mind-blowing for example the green miners are looking into mining basically with all green energy from turning trash into clean energy so that things like Bitcoin mining don’t have to take resources as we know them now and there are so many projects in the space for cleaning up the oceans and cleaning up the air and I’m bringing food to the right places and replanting trees and replenishing the soil I mean there if you think of any good initiatives going on in the world for every single one of them there is at least one crypto person who is trying to intercept and connect and there are some barriers you know like the the extreme hippies and I don’t mean that in any negative or positive connotation specifically just outside another word to use like the Crypt on earth and the cryptic Crypt of hippies and all these people like hippies like me back in the day when I when I was in Turkish hippie confused and all of this integrating technology and really scared of it I never imagined in my life that I would be here talking about technology I like but at the same time I see like you said you know how directly this has impacted my life I live a better life I can eat better food because I have my bills taken care of more often because I am connecting projects that feed my soul in that feed my pocket and and it’s just it’s just acknowledge he’s not going anywhere so yes hearing drones zooming around in the air concerns me especially there’s no privacy laws about this and I’m sure I am in plenty of videos just public random videos of people have of course all that is concerning to me but at the same time if I can get drones to massively plant trees and water them creating on cleaning water and stain of away and replenishing the Salt Lake of course I want that also so it’s a fine balance you knowing yeah there’s just there’s just so many opportunities and I’m a very hopeful first person you know and Technologies not going anywhere in the craziest disasters are going on in the world are very real and I’m very aware of my privilege and I’m honored for just being able to be a voice and a part of this movement in any way but if you are truly concerned if you’re a person sitting there and you are really really against technology my best advice to you is to get involved you know what I mean just get involved and make sure that our our moral compasses are still true and that our time is being used efficiently because while I think it’s piercing experiencing abundance is a really healing thing for our communities that happen monkey trained into scar City and fear so I think that having lavish parties in exotic places when they are led by the right Compass when we’re doing no trash Left Behind when we’re also feeding and in helping those communities those are beautiful experiences I think also it’s very easy to fall into the you know greedy egotistical side of things and so we can be people on the sidelines criticizing this movement or we can just Dive Dive Right In whichever way feels comfortable to you and try to help from within you know absolutely yeah amazing so do you want to take can you talk a bit about you know obviously not to be tokenizing but I was really thrilled to know that Amanda B Johnson is the spokes person for Dash and they have a sort of a in the dash consensus system they’re they’re holding their whole their whole technological platform on the basis of it there’s money allocated in there sitting there a crypto economic ecosystems to support people in in roles as delegates and Advocates and Educators and I’m I’m wondering if you have some thoughts on connecting with or have you connected with women in crypto and just having more solidarity and more initiatives that are women lead and women find it and having the the voice and the the wisdom of Sisterhood in the crypto space which is is seriously it’s I don’t know I wouldn’t say this that I understand to be hyper sexist or it’s just a typically gender imbalance in technology for various reasons of course and but this is one of the most inviting and open-minded for thinking space is so I’m just curious if you have thoughts understand that aspect I do and I just want to throw in really quickly that Dash is doing some incredible incredible things to use this new currency in the everyday lives of people and changing a lot I mean I spoke with Danny the other day from the Crypt of showing radio station and just some of the projects he shared with me that they’re doing going to orphanage orphanage is camping outside open and to defend that old homes and rebuilding after after earthquakes all of these weren’t the weather doing in Mexico and helping people from the US and for Mexico to send each other Dash instead of Fiat you know making it super useful super accessible for them and actually turning crypto into into resources are they need whether it’s a new fan for their ceiling or food or whatever and so they are doing a lot of work right on the ground and putting you know when ATMs in crypto ATM there just it is amazing to see this dystopian Society for good and bad is already here as completely I mean crypto is already being used in so many daily activities all the time so much more that we know and I know that documentaries are being created and they will be available to all of us soon and every time more but there is so much more happening than we even inside are aware of you know every time I talk with anybody is it blows my mind all the projects are going on in and that this is the Hood part of it is another one and there are all these telegram groups going around some of them are called crypto women badass women in blockchain you know he’s different name there’s this group on Facebook called crypto queens and I have found some amazing amazing humans are working with the UN and women investing in women and funding each other’s projects and the Miami Conference the North America Miami Conference Bitcoin conference I had this one person run up to me this woman and she said hi sister if you’re a woman here I pretty much want to connect with you and she added me to his telegram group and I stole that from her in the best possible way so every time I’m at any blockchain event I run up to the women and I said Hey sister if you’re a woman in the space I want to connect with you and it’s just so beautiful and so I may be 5 or 10 different groups that are all women in blockchain and art projects in blockchain it is it is really unbelievable I’m actually really excited for the South by Southwest there is a bunch of the crypto Queens are coming down we’ve been talking about doing a documentary about women in crypto and I just hope that I get to interview them 10 minutes with each one in super supportive so it’s been quite interesting and of course there is still competition with in here and there but for the most part I find that women are really supportive of each other I also have been working with swarm City and the storm funds quite a bit I meant Joel from Joel Dietz from swarm and we talked about a bunch our projects and all the stuff happening and you express a lot of interest in supporting both blockchain art projects and women equality so I know swarm is now sitting around the survey to try to make sure that there are as many women as men users and their platform that’s really exciting and also so many surveys about how they want the tokens to be used and so on are hungry to include the community that’s what’s Tim Meadows all about right and that’s what these events are all about so I think I think we’re doing pretty good so far and I see how much more collaboration is going to is going to start happening you know just from from these telegram groups and how excited everybody is and and also how cool is that that we have telegram instead all our messages so that the government can hover information are private conversations it’s just it’s amazing we weave I feel sad about the fact that Facebook and all these social media platform orny or Cuban connection you know I honestly have so many thoughts where I say I don’t care if Facebook knows all my information or if they own all my media I just want to be able to share photos of my friends in Argentina and this is the easiest form so how sad is it that we were okay with all of our privacy and information being exploited and people making money off of us just because we’re so starved for human connection so I’m really excited to be able to do the same things we’ve been doing and use the good parts of Technology like social media in a way that it also filled up our pockets and our Spirits you know that is music to my ears thank you so much I’m so glad that I I mean I just just the fact that your video came up right after cryptos news and we’re in this moment have his conversation this is all such beautiful music to my ears and yeah it’s been I mean in my field in the world of Tantra sacred sexuality sexual healing in just the I think the most important thing in my studies in my experience for healing a planet and really saving the Earth is really being instrumental and being conducive to two women Sisterhood and a healthy positive empowering way and actually creating more financial Independence so that women as mothers can have more freedom and power and actual means to make more independent decisions with their bodies with their with their you know how they how much even breastfeeding I mean the most people don’t know that it’s pretty much understood that about 5 years is a typical pre-industrial young length of time to be breastfeeding infants on demand and imagine the kind of infrastructure changes that have to happen for that to be possible in the modern world but if anything’s going to make it happen it’s going to be the fruit of the work that people like you were doing and that’s as you know might just sort of Public Service Announcement about you know a sort of futuristic crypto feminism you know that I said that I want to contribute to I want to see happen is this more and more working together and in collaboration So yeah thank you for helping with that and Centric energy and learning some teachings of something that it’s pretty recent to me maybe two years and there’s so much to learn and I found so much healing and in all of these intersections of psychedelics meditation 10 trick work and crypto and it’s it’s so bizarre and no way to talk about technology and evolution and money in the same line that we talked about psychedelics and in self-healing love and all of this to no life force of energy but it is all the same thing it’s it’s just growing us a more compassionate and accepting loving human race you know that’s what it’s all about and at the same time that I’m really excited about all of these blockchain as a vehicle for 4 change I am really concerned about Wi-Fi and radiation and you know of course all of these a chemtrail crazy stuff that we put ourselves through so I’m putting out the intention into calling for more people to get involved in to figure it out other ways to connect the other internet in a way that it’s not so destructive for us and so there’s not some natural solutions and then there’s simple things we can do like turning off wi-fi at night when you go to sleep and self-education on this on this topic but I would love to hear more like I said Solutions and privacy are are something that we are now noticing that we need to work on more at the same time that we develop all these amazing systems right we need to wear we’re kind of like it’s floating and all this magical ways and now we need to start creating the containers that will keep us a lines into our missions as well yeah absolutely absolutely awesome well yeah I’m getting about 2 or if you’ll just totally mind blown and totally satiated by learning all this stuff all this great stuff that you’re doing do you feel free now to take some time to promote your efforts and talk about we have coming up in the future will people can be looking out for and and yeah we’ll we’ll call it a good introduction to hopefully we can also keep in touch on going up next and that is the exist festival.com that it’s a beautiful project where we are just connecting more and more people doing similar events and hoping that we can continue to collaborate so if anybody’s interested in anything that we’re doing please reach out there’s room for you to be fully creative in your own way and like I said it’s not about competition the abundance is there and in so many ways so that is South by Southwest Austin and then we have token Fest in San Francisco I will be there as well and then we have an art party in the bay somewhere so all this information will be on social media that is at my new brakes on Twitter or breaks on Instagram and I wanted to mention. So I most recently connected with gel polish and he’s doing art for addicts and he has a lot of projects going on in that world so I’m really excited to get more involved in healing the process of healing ourselves through ART and handling addiction because I believe technology is also an addiction right so being able to create those containers again and also few initiatives for the cleaning up the oceans and ocean token and just so many good projects coming up so anyway that I can that I can help or help you connect with those who will get you to where you want to be the green miners we clean energy any of that please reach out to me I would love to help out cool thank you again so much now Newburgh city has been such a pleasure and yet again thank you for just allowing me to be impulsive and send a message out to you and get you on the show and to know also that your ear integrating some the tantric wisdom in and works into your life it’s so exciting and I agree this is all just one big Kundalini blockchain Bliss Bellini black seamless hashtag that will be in touch in the future and thank you again so much sounds good thank you so much have a beautiful night. 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Leveraging Sexual Capital with Raven the Tantrapreneur TPP87

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TPP87 pic In this episode I’m joined by Tantric Raven, my coveted counterpart and soon to be tantric business and pleasure partner. We explore her unique path of tantrapreneurialism, blending diverse passions, skill sets, talents, and trainings to be one of the most dynamic priestesses I’ve yet encountered.
About Raven:

DAKINI

I see myself as a Dakini Priestess. A Dakini is a Tantric Priestess that roughly translates in Sanskrit to “Sky Dancer.” A Dakini, in carnal form, is a female muse gifted with the abilities to serve as a vessel, carrying out sexual spiritual enlightenment. A Dakini’s role is to evoke spiritual awakening through pleasure and arousal. They are cosmic souls, grounded on the earth yet always dancing in the sky. I often find myself dancing in the ether worlds, gaining knowledge and guidance.

CURANDERA

I see myself as a Curandera Priestess. A Curandera is a Spanish traditional healer whose practices include plant medicine healing, exorcisms, and spirit cleansings. Cureanderas are thought to be blessed by God with naturally born healing powers. These gifts are often passed down from generation to generation. I come from a long line of healers from both my paternal and maternal lineage. Not only do I feel that my gifts are something passed down to me, but also something that I have gained from many, many lifetimes working with Sex Magick.

SHAMAN

I see myself as a Shamanic Priestess. Shamans are channelers who interact with and receive messages from the spirit world through altered states of consciousness. An archetype for a shaman is The Wounded Healer, as it is said that many shamans find their calling through sickness and suffering. My awakening began when I was going through major health trials and tribulations. I healed myself through connection with a higher source and I seek to do the same for others.

CREDENTIALS

I have a bachelor’s degree in both Behavioral Science and Marketing. I have spent the last few years traveling the world, giving me the opportunity to experience different cultures, beliefs and practices. During my travels and over the years, I have had the pleasure of studying with many different teachers in the fields of Tantric Massage, Swedish Massage, Thai Massage, Lomi Lomi Massage, Yoga, Reiki, Aromatherapy, nutrition, and plant medicine therapy.

I enjoy dabbling in many different modalities. My clients find that my approach, although backed by traditional studies, tend to take on a unique approach. My views are that we should learn what we can but let intuition take a front seat. I use what I know but let my intuitive gifts and sinful desires take precedence where and when they can, making my services as unique as I am.

CERTIFICATIONS

Source School of Tantra- CTE Level 1 Tantra Mastery Teacher in Training

Bondassage®-Certified Bondassage and Elysium Practitioner

The Universal Life- Ordained Minister & Physio/Spiritual Massage

Please visit her website at:
https://ravenpriestess.com/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 87 I am doing a Skype call with Tantra Craven who you can find at Raven Priestess. Calm and you’re going to be absolutely Blown Away by the topic of Today Show and what she has to offer and what we’re kind of brainstorming together we are going to lay out a lot of really powerful magical spellcraft here talking about Tantra Cravens path to sexual Mastery in the gifts that she has in a town she’s cultivated the skills and training she’s done what her vision is and how we are going to have a high-level co-creative Journey now that that some certain things have have come into alignment and now please steal the show Tantra Craven and tell us all about your beautiful life journey and visions and then we will go from there and adduction that was very flattering and I’m honored to be here in to be speaking with you so thank you for having me but yes I’ll just kind of go into a little bit about myself I’m not a huge fan of labels but me and I do kind of refer to myself as a dakini or Priestess or healer or an edge or what I just heard you say which I’m not going to steal from you is it’s entrepreneur I love that or I could just call myself the female version of Pancho Punk be like Pancho puntini or something but really what I like to refer to myself is an erotic artists and it’s this is kind of my Artistry this is my passionate this is my calling but in a nutshell what I do is I am a certified practitioner and trainer in the art of bondassage which was created by an amazing woman and dear friend of mine by facilitate tantric healing sessions I provide business coaching two other practitioners and I Coachman into sexual mastery and so just kind of a bit of where I came from in a bit of like my story so I grew up in a very that traditional typical American household I am Hispanic and my parents growing up with a lot of discrimination as kids really wanted me and my brother to have a very traditional American upbringing so going along with that comes with a lot of programming with what Society Norms look like and what a typical American life should look like so you know I was I was very program with that and it’s a child coming into adulthood I was really never very sexual and it really understand sex and I just kind of went through the motions I lost my virginity at 13 because like that’s what you’re supposed to do and I was very traumatised by the whole experience so I didn’t have sex again for years and then when I did I just egg and was never really that into it I never really had orgasms it tended to be painful to me and it just kind of left me feeling used and kind of regretful so but then I told her it was still it was a curious topic to me and I did wanted to understand and I wanted to learn more but I would I would listen to these interviews and I would read blogs from women who wear sex Advocate their sex Educators and they’d be amazing but they was kind of start off with ya I was very sexual from a young age and you know my mom would catch me masturbating or you know if you having sex all the time super into it and you know none of that really resonated with me and so I was like I don’t know maybe people just aren’t boring sexual and then like having these thoughts in my head that there was another voice that was like a stronger voice that was telling me that people people are born sexual and just as kind of spell of programming was kind of masking the real me so this is when plant medicine started to call to Main and over several years I spent time in Guatemala and Peru and Ecuador and I worked with amazing tommen’s and amazing people in general with Ayahuasca and San Pedro and don’t witches idmt snapped kind of similar to go pee I did tobacco and mushroom and like cannabis Journeys as well and through this work I really I really started should uncover the layers of the onion and realizing that pretty much everything I ever learned was wrong not only sexually but just in general in my life so I kind of afraid of myself now is like living in opposite land and anything that someone tells me which is traditional I can tell them how the opposite is probably a better option for him this is also kind of when I came into my nature and my true nature as a Healer or a Channeler or whatever you want to call it and everything in my in my life kind of started to make sense of why I’m like very sensitive to things that you know I’ve gone through a lot of health issues and issues with just kind of not feeling like I fit in here and might my Shaman would tell me like you’re he learned she would be like but don’t take that as like egotistical because really it’s not that kind of a thing because healers go through like a lot of pain and issues as a way to be able to empathically relate to other people and so then I also started I started really getting to Tantra at this time and it was one of the few things that really made sense to me is like okay this is this is what Sexual Energy and connection really looks like and this is this makes sense the other thing like I don’t really know how people buy into it cuz it really doesn’t make sense and sometimes I had Partners a lot of it was still experimenting like I just I really do a lot of weird chat when I’m alone but I wasn’t watching TV I wasn’t even reading I was just kind of journeying on my own and experimenting and I could really see how my self-love practices and my orgasms in general are just completely changing and I had so many different types of experiences I had like crying orgasms screaming orgasms full-body vibrational orgasms and read for the first time and it it it was amazing it can be referred to again upon world of squirting and any like tantrica will really will tell you that they hate when you call it skirting so it’s you know we refer to it as a memory. Which is kind of them were sacred to release some of that ejaculation and so yeah it’s you know it’s still a practice for me on a regular basis I don’t think it’s anything that I’ll ever be like hey I’ve got this I’m done because really we don’t we don’t know what our limit is like we don’t know how far we can take this energy exchange with ourselves and with others that the sky’s the limit and reaching different levels of consciousness are you know on top so that that’s the beautiful part is we get to keep experimenting we are so then never boring just keeps getting better and better if you can fight that led to a lot of very a series of very serendipitous events which led me to do. Kenny work and in the beginning it was it was a bit difficult because a lot of men don’t really think that they have anything to work on they think that they know what sex is and they’re doing a good job of it and you know that’s that’s all I need that they be like cool like I want to go to her some like hot girl and like that’s that’s why that’s why I going to see you and the least exalted edifying notion of sex right so it but but I knew that this was my calling and I knew that when I reached people I could change them so I was okay with the idea of going to advertisers is very like sexual person and they look at how hot I am and probably even know you know that’s not really me but so I would know that’s how my advertising goes and my view is once they coming to my door that’s my opportunity to shift them take it however they got there is fine but now they’re here and now I have the opportunity to to shift their views and there’s a certain there’s a certain degree of psychology that’s involved with Tantra and someone that has a have a psychology degree and I just in general been fascinated with how the human mind works is it just it baffles me sometimes of why people do the things they do so that part is very it was very thrilling to me like I just I’d be at tell me tell me what’s going on tell me why you’re here tell me what you want to work on and they would just open up to me and for some reason I’m I’m very easy to talk to and you know I get the line all the time of like I can’t believe I’m telling you that 7 so you know I would do these sessions of people and sometimes they wouldn’t even realize that I was doing Tantra with that might would just kind of be like essential experience and I would do energy work and I would work with someone breathing and you know changing their energy and what the potential is that they can get to really like arousal is a big part of what I do so I believe that a lot of times that something that’s very skimmed over with sex is that people aren’t being aroused and you could call it foreplay or whatever you want like a lot of people think I’m just going to play with your genitals and that’s for play but for me it’s this like it’s the seduction and like you don’t even have to touch somebody for an hour like in their genitals you can touch the rest of their body or very slowly kind of stroke over them play with different toys like all these things are an Art of Seduction That A lot of people aren’t really burst on but that’s that’s my specialty and that’s what I love so taking them on these very erotic sensual journey is it afterwards to like oh my God like what just happened what was that like I don’t even know where I am anymore and so then they would stay at then they’re curious like what was that and whatever you know like tell me whatever Kool-Aid you’re drinking like I want some so you know that’s that’s kind of where am I dirty went with that and the more I would talk to these men about what they’re dealing with sexualy the more I really like started to feel sorry for the male population and really understanding what they go through and you know a lot of it’s like oh poor women in like yes my sister’s go through a lot and I understand that and I are people that work with them like you do you know fighting for the women which is beautiful but seeing the men’s part of it was something I really hadn’t understand before it was kind of like all men are dogs and all I think about it publishing bad and Bubba blah but really it’s the more I talk to them it’s a lot of pressure for what a man goes through and you know they have to it becomes it a performance and performance doesn’t make enjoyment and so it’s it’s like you know I have to stay hard I have to get hard to find the G-Spot I feel after certain amount of time I did tell myself over and over again not to not to feel anything not to come not to get too aroused and all these things going to really cause a lot a lot of connection with somebody like imagine for women if I had to tell myself over and over again I don’t orgasm don’t work and then like if I did orgasm than the person that I was with to be great if you just went now my night is ruined like I what about me you know it’s it’s just something we don’t really think about but it’s something that’s an issue for that much so so now my main focus on my practice is to educate a man about his own Perfection and because there really is a god with an Everyman it’s just it’s buried under years of programming and they can come into the sexual Mastery is being a god it once they kind of remove that programming so this is this is my calling my purpose on this planet is to help men feel heal and reveal the god with it what a beautiful can you say that again because that is a beautiful tagline I can already speak stationary bumper stickers and it is my purpose on this planet to help men feel heal and reveal the God within beautiful if you want do you have more you wanted to share it in your other let’s say parallel but not necessarily is erotic business ventures and services in ICU on your the website configuration that I first discovered your work through is very diverse and far-reaching and nested services with a nested Services all under a very alchemical sort of cauldron you know so sensual website that kind of has just more of a success and my bondassage and and then I have my tantric website so again it’s kind of like this site cookie that I might come on come on and then I’ll be like hey like check out my website but I do bondassage which is a very big part of my practice and it is like it’s really just as erotic very erotic and it’s wet bondassage is is it is my clients are bound and days blindfold and headphones and the whole time I’m just kind of taking them through this body journey and a lot of people think it’s like very btsm related and I’m like okay I’m afraid of that but really I tell them it’s it’s not to meditation in a way it’s a way for you to get out of your head and took it into your body because that’s what a lot of people have issues with his they’re not present when they’re with a partner there like thinking about poor nor there like thinking about what their Partners thinking or feeling judged like what am I going to do next or you don’t, like all these things so it was this it’s like meditation like what you talked about all these things are wait for you to become president and Two Become One with your body so yeah we’re just kind of I play with different toys and allow them to feel different Sensations and anytime you have any sort of sensory deprivation it heightens everything else so every little touch is like amazing and their blindfolds they have no idea what I’m using either so then I get to it like play with different things like what in the hell was that and afterwards I’ll be like what did you think of these crazy things but yeah so that’s a very beautiful art form that can be erratic and kind of on the edge of BDSM but it’s it’s meant to be it’s meant to be spiritual as well and I tell people it’s a good kind of starter for even Tantra of just feeling what it’s to the lot of people that are used to doing sensual sessions they want to see and they want to kind of eye candy these girls and all the stuff and I I like to work with people when they blindfolded because it really allows me to get into my meditative State and to my kind of docking mode and I’ll just like zone out and just go for it but when I get in like when there’s no blindfold I’m kind of like I’m a performer in a way so yeah any sort of these sessions are really really amazing and part of my practice that I get to play with kind of both like different sides of myself well that’s so cool and I have a few you know couple things I want to while we’re on that subject say that on the podcast and lettuce in conversations with colleagues and peers throughout the sexual health Wellness ecosexuality Tantra BDSM Etc worlds and my feeling that the the filter that I want to put myself on with BDSM and kink really is this would I be happy for my children if I from you will be adoption co-parenting set your cuz I’m clip that a vasectomy but my sort of litmus test for the ethics of BDSM Kink practices is the is something like would I want my children to be doing whatever this is not that I’m obviously going to not be training them per se or you know there’s there’s a sacred initiation into the sexual Arts that we are going to have to reverse-engineer from so-called primitive societies that had it get out so that you weren’t being you know traumatizing or self-serving and that process which is what a lot of the really disturbing I would say Kinks about incest have turned into is a really we’ve lost our way into how to navigate pain sensory deprivation bondage all the forms all the various forms of what will be called ordeal in a logically would call it an ordeal to enter a trance state that could be a one-time initiation or it could be a festival you know on a cyclical rotation whatever it is there are these things were yearning for that are now considered fetishistic and kinky and involved in this baggage of patriarchal slave and master archetypes and Dungeons and Marquis De Sade and those are all for me those are memes that I want to eradicate and I want to extinct the memes of slavery on Earth I want to extinct that Meme and I don’t want and if I if I were in a communal tribal Neo tribal say permaculture sex-positive tantric sexual Utopia eco-village than I would ask for there to be council’s around what types of practices are are propagated in to the next Generations and I believe that in one generation if you don’t introduce the concept of Slavery to anybody alive in the Next Generation then it will go extinct so when I put that test on other people in the Kink world who are ecologically conscious permaculture a designer’s excetera excetera they have to kind of scratch your head and go you know what I don’t want to have this Shadow secret world where the adults do all this really harmful negative dangerous destructive and even you know I feel like I’m humbled by staph infection I’m humbled by all kinds of viruses and bacteria in nature and I don’t really want to just frivolously open the skin you know in these ways that our people do so I don’t want to I don’t want to alienate anybody but I wanted to say that I really appreciate what your approaches to this cuz I feel there is a very Primal you know it’s dangerous or it’s a I I hesitate to say natural but I will as soon as a primal natural instinctive desire to enter into states of sensory deprivation to have degrees of ordeal through bondage and true pain and for there to be a ritualistic transcendental ecstatic purpose for it was for that that’s actually not taboo and it’s not shameful and it’s not dark and it’s not evil and it’s not satanic and it’s none of the things that can can BDSM have fallen into as this post-christian reactionary trap so if we can upgrade and Shaman eyes and green the Kink world and the fetish world with these more holistic practices I think that’s a step in the right direction and I would be proud based on what you’re saying to say all right you know next Generation part of your becoming and then women and all and everything in between & Beyond is that you are going to have healthy array of interactions and experiments with different types of Sensations and that’s going to be applauded and celebrated you get to go into your TV and get get it on and experimenting Explorer with age appropriate you know developmental stage appropriate peers and it gets to be natural again and it doesn’t have to be this Shady freaky thing that that you know we’re trying to get away from so I don’t know what do you have some other questions for you before I give them to you want it kind of share your thoughts and Reflections and what I just said and if that resonates with you and your shamanic training and whatnot definitely yeah the whole BTS world it was like a really weird thing for me to navigate and I’m always like a try everything once kind of girl so yeah I can’t really say much to it if I haven’t tried it right so yeah I did some code on work for a while and I was just I was really bad at it because I was like I don’t I don’t want to shame this person I don’t want to be like psychologically traumatizing then like when people leave me I want them to feel empowered and ain’t no motivated to to go on to this amazing conscious path and when they would leave I would be like Halo my god did I just like totally traumatized them and I feel kind of traumatized and have a lot of dear friends that do Dom work and they’re amazing at it and it’s totally they’re saying that and it’s it’s Market that someone needs to do it so great but it’s not for everybody if it wasn’t for me but I did like the whole aspect of the sensory body play because they got him a very I’m just obsessed with bodies and I love the fact that there’s so many different erogenous zones and so many things to play with and said this really gave me bondassage really gave me the outlet that I needed to kind of play with my darker side instead of just being this like sensual spiritual person this is kind of like Mike more shadowy side so I get to play with that but in like a essential like fun experimental way for me where again it’s about teaching this person how to let go and that’s one thing that we as humans have a very hard time of doing is Letting Go even like being a receiver a lot of people like but then when they when they go into it they have a hard time like do I get back like do I mean I already stated expected of me and so letting go and just trusting that this other person has you especially when you go to the bondage aspect of it is this complete surrender or which is a beautiful trusting thing that again a lot of people have problems with so when they can learn to do these things it really opens them up to the idea that you really you really don’t have to have that much control and when you let go of it and trust that like the universe has you or this person has you your lover has you it’s very beautiful and so yeah it’s the whole BDSM thing is it’s out there it’s probably not going to go away because we’ve been so repressed for so long that it’s like I got to like let it all out and I try everything you know he’s crazy things but that’s that world and it’s it’s not for everybody and I don’t I try not to judge people but it’s just not really in my in my life thank you thank you for sharing that. I’ll stay to the yeah it’s not my it’s not my mission in life to go on a crusade to shut down dungeons or anything like that you know but I would I did it interview with the shamanatrix Kristin Boyer and we talked a lot about after care and transportation and the potential to be from a design perspective have there be more of it after care chamber of sanctuary that’s you know you got the dungeon so now have the healing Crystal Spa or whatever before you go back out into the Matrix do you want to talk about now some of your let’s call it green industry entrepreneurialism if it’s it’s in another sector I don’t know if you want to share that or not but I love to hear by with you with you what type of thing were you referring to just the Cannabis all of the Cannabis sounds manorial stuff that’s on the table to the Cannabis World here in Denver and you stood to some growing with my partner and I worked for several cannabis companies I used to do event marketing with a cannabis company and we had a code shared work space for new cannabis startups and then I started doing graphic design specifically for cannabis companies in for a while I did cannabis Journeys with people but it can be really hard to navigate that not only for legal reasons but also like it once you take somebody so deep into that Subspace and into you know you’re going there going into a different higher realm and with the use of cannabis plus the their otic energy and all the stuff that happens it it can really take them out of their body out of this world and then you’re like 2 hours later okay you got to go home like 5 and it’s like it’s really not it’s not conducive to send somebody out into the world once you’ve just like you know took them somewhere else so so I can tell them kind of how they can do different cannabis meditations with themselves and I continue to use cannabis as a major healing teacher for me and I can you know I’ve done Ayahuasca so many times that I can I can go into that Ayahuasca space with cannabis because once you do Ayahuasca like the spirit of Ayahuasca is always with you you just like can call on her so I can I can really go deep into some really deep spaces but yeah it’s just a huge advocate for that I work with a couple so I don’t do anything sort of paid now with cannabis time I try to just I have a lot of friends in that world so I try to do some counseling with marketing stuff for them to stop because it’s it’s a passion for me I love the way you said that counseling for marketing it is it is sort of a I like to think about how perfect that is like you don’t need coaching you need counseling because yeah it’s a different world these days and you know part of what I do a big part of it is marketing and so I also coach other women that do the same thing that I do is a way of you know you’re creating a brand for yourself like who are you or who do you want them to see you as and how are we going to create that brand for you actually doing is we’re going to we’re going to figure out how to split yourself into multiple personalities but then develop a meta-narrative concept that’s called a brand so that you can tuck all of your multiple personalities i e web presence is on infant platforms that we’re going to advise you to prune off the ones that dying and stick with the ones that you know we’re going to last hopefully and well it’s schizophrenia is fine I don’t know if you really have to ground yourself in this work and you really have to again be strong about who you are and what you’re presenting and you know I work for a while I was just whatever somebody wanted that’s what they were going to get and now it’s like and I’ve I’ve done it long enough that I can I can be very specific about who I am and what I’m going to do and if you don’t like that like go somewhere else cuz I’m really not hurting people so I can be very choosy of this is who I am this is what you’re going to get and if you want to request something else I can refer you to somebody who provide that for you because I’m just not going to go there I’m only going to do what I want to do and that’s what makes what I do awesome because everyone will tell me like you really tell you like what you do and you’re into it and I’m like yeah cuz I’m a very authentic person and I don’t like to fake it so I won’t anymore I’m like you know what I’m what I’m feeling that’s what you’re going to get and I’m in the mood for this so that’s what you’re going to get in your going to like it. Going to try to do the exact quote but the pair of phrases that he’s basically don’t try to hold me accountable to something I said in the past because that past no longer exists and whatever I’m saying right now is what’s true to me right now so don’t expect me to be consistent and that’s one of the most liberating Osho quotes or you don’t know who is Notions that I that is, like how many other times in life have you ever heard that it’s okay to be your true self Moment by moment and let you know yeah I left that because if we’re not changing we’re not growing and I have to constantly trying to grow up I mean it again that’s the perfect cuz in a month I’ll be like why did I say that but it’s okay because I I know that I wear all work in progress and I don’t claim to be some perfect person in that I just claim to be myself and people seem to like it so I got with that I’d like to know more kind of about you and I and our alchemical journey and where that began so yeah do you want to tell tell the listeners and share the story of how you encountered and found me and and you know what what led to this point and what we have planned I can tell them all day long to stop watching porn but if there’s not an alternative for them it’s difficult like you know if someone’s going on a diet you’re like instead of eating this Eat This and like you replace that and with planets like I don’t even know where to send you sound like doing research on in a different country videos are different things that I can give them different juicy bits that will help them in their journey and I came across your YouTube video that I had found that video and I was like awesome was just kind of Blown Away by and and honestly I don’t know if I told you this but I was really high when I saw that and I really connected with me like you do when your head is like super deep level I did the whole like self lender meditation with you like it was exactly like as long as you are and I could feel like every you were talking about Kundalini rising and like opening up your chakras and moving the energy up and like you did the whole thing to where it was like woah I like had this is amazing I mind-blowing orgasm and and I cuz like I have to like know about this guy what it who is he and what is he doing and so is that I like cyberstalk to you but and I had written you I’d written you on Instagram and I was like it just kind of want to throw this out there that what you’re doing is awesome and kudos to you and keep it up and then ever since then we just kind of been chatting and is he has some things haven’t really aligned and now it’s kind of everything’s kind of coming into alignment in this beautiful new year that were experiencing it and yeah if you want to come and reduced what were thinking or whatever for this new exciting stuff yeah so I said I’m just saying you could you can you hear my grandma right now so fucking loud you know you never know I was just watching the Stanley Kubrick biography and and I’m what is so much to say about him and that and everything but I’m I’m going to save it but I’m going to say that you know what I think it was one of his family members said that just a general kind of art philosophy kind of thing about how a few create if you produce a creative work you don’t know what it’s going to do in the world in Psych it if he used to render it and it becomes in the domain of the beholder and you it’s a complete project if it’s done it’s edited it’s finalized it’s out there you know you don’t know so I’m just with that said I wanted to give a little homage to the beauty that we’ve it that’s what brought us together so you never know what’s going to happen when you a Jo Vida solo Jo David on internet what we are sort of coming up with now having discovered each other’s work and oh I got to say that you know there is worse things in the world than having tantric Raven send you a video of herself like strip dancing to running tracks you know comparing who I have been trying to I’ve been trying to engineer you you know I mean from from like you know people who were just not having the calling so it’s a real it’s a really sweet difficult so you know I felt like why why would I ever want to work with somebody who’s not a fan of what I’m doing already you know if they’re not a fan I say then I’m literally paying for every second on the clock down to the 15 minutes or whatever it is and they’re kind of just I like watching and you know they’re not invested in there certainly not going to over deliver under not going to under-promise and over-deliver unless that your fan and then they’re going to be like wow I want to be a part of something that I love because I’m connected with it and in you know so that it’s so beautiful and I can’t thank you enough that that’s what I really want I really want to share and really be heard and appreciated and worshiped and an inn you know not have it be because I’m paying somebody to fix something and to make me look good just because they look good and they’ve got more fans than to cynical you know things so thank you thank you thank you so F what we’re accomplishing on this planet and what we want to accomplish and I too have been looking for somebody like very similar to you and that you’ve got this very busy Wasabi intellectual part to you but also this very spiritual part in it can it can be difficult to find those two together and I could I could very much put on my business hat and kind of you know home in on that and I can also take that off and just like spiritually mind out and I feel like you’re very similar in that way and yes so it’s it was it was great finding you and feeling the similarities that we have in common we’re both passionate about making really high-quality really highly reputable content and we’re ready to start to make films together and bring our best skills and training we have been Romancing the idea of making a variety of different types of video content ranging from music videos to instructional kind of nuts and bolts how to videos I don’t know when exactly this will happen but it is an intention to for us to just jam with the cameras and the process of getting to know each other and experiencing each other literally inside and out and Beyond is something that I want to document and share with the world and really hopefully over time be able to make a a really entertaining film product out of our mutual studies and expirations and an hour meteoric rise to success which I feel like we’ve already accomplished so much in our own lives and so when I close the circuit with somebody with the explicit intention of performing sex magic it’s a powerful you no experience to to behold and I want everybody on Earth since this is not the Dark Ages anymore and we don’t have to ape the Victorian era with you know the forms of Kink we’re practicing we can actually become gods and goddesses living in human flesh and co-created manifest and first and foremost repair the planet and you know along the way of repairing a planet we can build beautiful temples and palaces to live in beautiful villages in really figure out how to equitably share a lot of ecologically sustainable wealth capital resources excetera all in service to the Divine and to the into Gaia and I’ll say I want to call it dark green magic is what I want to do on a film with you and sort of jam with your magical alchemical sexual Mastery practices and see what comes out of it and and now with these DSLR cameras and there’s just really no excuse I mean really we can produce content that’s that can compete with really anything else that’s out there and totally in the spirit of punk rock DIY no rules except for the ones that we make and I’m not selling out and not you know really and really being strategic about licensing and finding the right partnership so I’ve been doing a lot of that work I’ve been kind of priming you know this opportunity and for it to be you and not somebody who I’m chasing around who would rather be snorting coke or rather be you know just trying to climb the social pyramid for Eagle reasons or whatever this is like such a gift so that’s my side of the intention setting for our forthcoming creative adventures and do you want no balance that out with all of your hopes and dreams for what you would do with me if you could have your way with me is it gets just kind of the send a message it’s 2 to wake people up and it would I do is great in that I touch people but I only touch one person at a time and you know that can cycle out but with technology these days the fact that we could make a video that kid could touch thousands of people and could really open their mind to again I’m just kind of an anarchist where I whatever it’s society’s telling us I just kind of don’t agree with it and I want people to know that there’s other options and that maybe what we’ve learned is not Traxxas and this to me is like this is why I’m here I very feel like I have a purpose on this planet because I’ve gone against a lot of things and it’s always just gotten horrific Lee and since I’ve been following this path it’s just everything flows like very freely to me and so whatever kind of comes in my path on yep I guess this is what I’m supposed to do it’s like not really a choice it’s like okay well this is this has been presented to me and the universe has given me this opportunity so so let’s do it like this part of my past so you kind of presented this to me and I was like okay well I guess I’m supposed to do this now and like that’s fine but what I do is very much for the purpose of the mission that I want and the impact that I want to live on this planet and like you said it’s not it’s not for this notoriety or for fame like I’m really not interested in this life being famous for being rich are all these things I’m a very outgoing person but deep down I’m like a total hermit so to impact others and the mission that another thing of doing this type of work with somebody that has a very strong background in this and you know a very big role in this world is like with you to not get away from also the idea of that point is just basically a female role and that the men are just kind of accessories in porn and you know for me this is again something that’s we have these roles of female and male and with the whole gender-bending thing I feel like eventually all of those rolls are just going to be gone which is a beautiful thing because men can flip flop and women can flip flop in these walls don’t have to be set in stone and like you think of a strip club in its its women its women dancing and you know it’s beautiful and sexy and hot and then you think I like a male strip club and it’s like I like you man and like I’m going to go there for my bachelorette party and it’s just kind of like comical and you know we’re not really getting turned on and for me that way that was a trauma of something that I learned in one of my medications is that during sex I had my eyes closed cuz like you know we’re taught that men’s bodies aren’t that great so why am I even looking and then why I began to open my eyes it was like men’s bodies are beautiful and Cox are fucking amazing and this idea that it’s like the one-eyed monster is like that’s wrong like we should be you know that’s part of my job is like worship the man and his they’re beautiful and their bodies are beautiful in their cocks are beautiful and to show that has like a very important role in what we’re doing it so that women can be like wow like his body is great and his lingam is amazing and to kind of shift that it’s okay for a woman to be a horn. Too and to look at a man and be like damn like that guy and look at your man and be like you look you look amazing I just want to rip your clothes off right now and that’s empowering for women to not just expect compliments for their from their man to put together them as well and so to shift his Paradigm of corn of that a man’s role is just as important as a woman’s role and we’re not just looking at pussy the whole time we’re like concentrating on both what’s coming to you as their dicks and strategies in an in ways to kind of bring overhaul entrepreneurialism Sexy Money whatever if she want yeah I mean I’ve been I’ve been an entrepreneur or just probably all my life you know for my first lemonade stand to my first business at the age of 20 is 22 and you know I’m pretty much unhireable at this point because I can’t have a boss I can’t I cannot work for anyone else I cannot have someone tell me when to come into work or how to do something or I’ve just I’ve always been in a gainst authority figures I’m sorry bad with authority figures my you can’t tell me what to do I can do this job better than all of you but and so yeah just very much like always kind of work for myself and even my first business was a bridal store it was a consignment bridal store working on going green and renewing and reusing but yeah, I had a business partner and I kind of just ended up doing everything because nobody could do it as good as me that was kind of my my attitude but it became very stressful because and I didn’t really allow anybody to help me because they would just mess it up I have to redo it anyways so yeah I got I got very sick during that time because I like as someone that’s it’s hard to be a Healer and an entrepreneur at the same time because the being a Healer is means that you’re very sensitive and it means that you know you have to have a lot of time to yourself and you have to have a lot of like retard time and meditation time and slow time and so when your business person is like go go go all the time and I got my house went down a lot and I ended up selling it because it was just it was too stressful for me the time until I really kind of come into myself especially from plant Medicine of learning what Letting Go actually means and realizing that you know what we’d like to think that we all have so much control of our lives but realizing that maybe we really don’t have that much control and that if I’m following my path and I’m working in love then good things are going to come to me and I’m going to be put on the right path of what I need to be doing and again it can unfold and whatever way it needs to and there’s no like it has to be done now or super stressful things and that’s what I love about what I do now is I set it up so that I can and I work on a day-to-day basis I literally don’t schedule ahead anymore it’s like you know I put out a thing if I’m working today I’m taking session and then I’ll get responses from that day and that’s that I’d I wrote a Blog on it that’s so cuz I want to go to bed and not really know what I’m not really know what tomorrow is going to bring I work very hard at trying to say present moment now so when I have ideas about new businesses it’s like cool these are ideas and I’m going to hang on to this but I don’t ever really have like super long-term and goals anymore because I know that if I do one thing at a time and kind of one foot in front of the other. I’m going to get there and worrying about the future just causes stress for people so try to encourage everybody like my big thing is to stay in the present moment so I have to live that are for my license so business things really excite me but I can’t get like two excited cuz then it like trains and anxiety and then that turns in this fast so yeah everything about this type of business is interesting and exciting for me yeah it’s just I have for me at one step at a time and one little project and see where that goes and then see where that goes and see where that goes and it it leads to amazing great things I’ve seen it and I know it to be true for myself so there’s really like no stress or worry for me like I just know it’s going to work out very important business Concepts really leverage you know leveraging content there’s never been I don’t I mean I believe making pornographic internet distributable content is probably the most leveraged position you could ever be in because something that you love to do that you’re going to do anyway touch your genitals or interact with other people’s genitals to be able to get paid to do the most sustainable thing and also to not have a boss like you said I mean from that’s there so many revenue streams that Liberate the performer producer to have to take all of the all of the sharks in the industry that used to just rip off and literally rape female performers to to to be able to have them all working for you as the diva or the David the diva or interchangeable terms but that’s the that’s the landscape that we’re walking into reminds me that Pet Shop Boys song opportunity you know there is a lot of opportunity in this legal space and and with with good graphic design and videography and post-production and cameras and Lighting in action really this guy is absolutely the limit and I think we’re going to be able to bridge a lot of gaps and open new markets and really hopefully yes set set a higher standard when I just talked to Lawrence lanoff and we did the the last of the most recent episode which was how Township porn can save the world which is you know this is now a very I did that mean the most dreamy follow-up to that conversation but something that he said was that he’s like dude we’re trying to jump over a bar that’s two inches off the ground and it’s so weird on a no deadlines no pressure no stress fun adventurous sort of opportunity to show them what we got and step up you know so that’s where I don’t like to throw in there to like something you kind of touched on but like for my clients and for my family whose is very supportive of what I do just to throw out there that like it hasn’t been like my dream in life to be a pornstar and I don’t consider this to be that you know this is something that I think both of you and I are in agreement of this is like and I don’t want something that’s years from now I’m going to be like oh my God what was I thinking it but I feel like deep down when I really examine my motivation for this and what is this would look like in my future is that this is something that I’d still like would be very proud of and something that if I had children which like probably not really planning on doing that but if I did like I’d still be okay with ya like you found that cool yeah I did that and it’s beautiful and I hope there’s more videos at that point where I could be like this is let’s let’s talk about what sex is and this is is it something beautiful that you could watch because the education system is just not there and that’s what I think both you and I are trying to change and shift is that the education around sex to younger Generations like needs to change it if it needs to be there because we’re not teaching them about sex we’re teaching them about Kink and BDSM important all these things and real love connected sex is it’s not there so it took to be kind of the frontier line of opening that up is I think kind of what this mission is is leading towards right I love you that was the yeah I said they always know that there’s so much more than the fragile ego that feels like it’s you know like it’s naked in the freezing cold with nut what you know it’s like just to hear that feels like someone just put a blanket on you and your walking in the Arctic something is like it shouldn’t really be that scares of a word to have to only share you know it said you know high stakes containers so you could say will you know who don’t you love well you’re right but I’m professing it to you and I love us and I love everyone and you know yes yes love is us so do you have anything else to say sad to miss I definitely took my liberties so mouthy close close the ceremony. Opportunity with me and I know that it’s it’s been kind of this on enough discussion of ways that we could collaborate and it’s it’s hasn’t really been there until now and again I take this is really coming together in this most perfect way and if we would have had something earlier it might not really have worked out but it’s this is yeah this is time this is I’m ready and let’s let’s do this let’s work together and let’s let’s just things it for the greater the greater Society in the greater man and woman awesome alright so everyone meet touch with Raven and Tantra Punk and join us for our adventures moving forward and there will be lots of exciting press releases coming out soon and so enjoy Namaste thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to see me a podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. 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How Tantric Porn Can Save the World with Lawrence Lanoff TPP86

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Tantra Punk PicThis is a unique episode wherein I invited one of my main tantric mentors to help me process after several days at the XBiz adult industry trade show. Over the course of the last year I’ve been immersing myself in the adult entertainment industry in order to understand how best to bring the tantric and shamanic sexual healing arts into the light and in front of the lens.

I’ve been artistically and spiritually successful and with the research, development, and due diligence I’ve done, I’m hoping that with the right help, I will also be financially successful and thus be empowered to incite and accelerate a higher level of consciousness in porn.

Lawrence very graciously holds space for me to share what I’ve discovered and helps to inform, guide and direct my visions with his knowledge and wisdom as both a tantra master and veteran Playboy director and producer.

Please visit his website at:
http://www.lawrencelanoff.com

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to podcast episode number 86 this is a discussion with Lawrence lanoff and before I get into our dialogue and introduction I’m just want to preface a bit by saying that some of you listen to have been following for a while now kind of can grasp this evolution of my foray into the modern adult entertainment industry and the sort of mission that I’ve been on too kind of understand the industry and build alliances and really try to find partner is to develop a tantric in shamanic Niche within the industry and it’s been it’s been a really exciting journey and I’ve learned so much really over the last year of deep conversion into M into all this in so the kind of the Milestone or Pinnacle that’s far was going to this Expedition show the one of the main you know International adult industry trade shows where they had a track of sessions with panels and workshops and speakers and presenters and I just really was blessed to him I have a really positive interaction with a lot of people in and do a lot of people who I had only known them by but say a logo or a brand or something and I got to really connect with them and just get into that that humanists behind the scenes really everyone you know I’m trying to make a living and you know that all of the Shadow and the dark side stuff that I’m really passionate about transforming it’s it’s it’s interesting that there’s a lot of fun of interest in what what could be the next level of extreme or what could be you know not how can you take the sentiment of being anti porn and turn it into positive uplifting spiritual porn instead of fighting all of what you disagree with it’s like if you can’t beat them join them and I’m really feeling that there is a a Synergy in a Harmony and a deep level core level in the benevolent humanness Underneath It All under the sheets and Vine the cameras and whatever level of Consciousness I feel they could be pushed forward or towards Transcendence or whatever kind of you know elitist sometimes a posturing that spiritual people can take towards quote non-spiritual people or materialistic people or lower chakra people or whatever it is you know it’s just that there’s a very endearing quality to a lot of people in that in the industry that I got to you know connect with and even people who like I said me on doing things that I really don’t resonate with just looking into their eyes and seeing their there’s a sweetness and there’s really even in that you know within these an industry professionals they look at the people who are doing really really dishonorable things and just sort of stayed there is there is an exclusive nusenda shining that happens internally I guess since so there’s that was hopeful for me to see okay yeah there is some discretion and what the lawyers were saying and what the most successful producers of singing that people already know taking risks and enter pretty much Outlaws to do any of this even though there is some constitutional protection in some places in jurisdictions effect is everybody is it some it some there many links in the chain of adult in of adult production involves being an outlaw so there’s a camaraderie in this an honor among Thieves kind of you know Vibe and and people so the people kind of have each other’s backs and the Trade Organization the Free Speech Coalition it starts out there you know fighting against all of these oppressive Andra cursive forces and trying to sort of carve out the space for sexual expression as an art form and you know all of the queer porn all the feminist porn has these Elders to think who who you know broke that taboo by making adult content and not all of it was I mean most of it has been historically to serve the market of the male gaze but we’re now able and away thanks to that you know work that they have done able to open the space for new discourse and there’s a sort of yeah there’s a Lineage 2 to really understand so it’s it’s a deep and complex issue is certainly not at all simplistic from any angle and I really kind of just wanted before getting into this very very passionate discourse with Lawrence just say that you know that the resounding conclusion from this industry of activists Free Speech Outlaws of porn production and distribution and sales and marketing and Performing everything it’s like make stuff that make content that you’re proud of and that you’re willing to fight for it cuz there’s no matter what you’re doing there is somebody out there who is going to make it their mission and purpose in life to try to take you down for whatever reason it’s to empowering to women it’s not enough parent it’s not empowering enough to women and it’s obvious where I stand on that is you know operating under the the label of feminist you know there is but the even that is is complex so not everybody has the same definition of feminism certainly not telling his porn but what it comes down to it the end of the day everybody there they’re going to fight for each other in court in in the public space in the media you know on the red carpets of the porn Awards they will all have each other’s backs and fight for each other as long as you know able to defend and be proud of their content and I’m certainly you know I’m I’m I’m attempting to make content that is going to really be inclusive and increase that the proudness factor going into sectors that before have been extremely hard to warm up to any of this and you know for example making something you know making content that’s the parents and religious leaders will undeniably feel is wholesome and Redemptive and actually instructive and perhaps you know in absolutely in line with the spirit of the or the essence of the scriptures that are attempting to provide guidance for us about how to avoid the the Peril of unconscious unloving disconnected fornication or sexual activity that is is potentially can be can be potentially contaminated by extra-dimensional beings some people call him demon some people call him astral parasites some people call him you know bad spirits or whatever but the a point is on a scientific medical immunological epidemiological parasitological level of science however you mythologize about it sacred sexuality is a technology and it is what every religion is essentially groping for and some of them are more or less in the dark about it or in the Dark Ages about it and you know what I hope to be bringing as far as bringing the light it’s bringing the Psychedelic shamanic lens to sexual conduct and if that can be you know embraced by the religious right by the porn industry by other porn performers themselves and the producers then I think the world will Keith better place and I will certainly be proud to be a part of that shamanic porn Revolution so with that said we’ll get more into the sort of nuts and bolts with Lawrence about the industry and the state of our sexual Liberation and empowerment and healing and he’s certainly the man when it comes to all the stuff I bow down and I am everything I say and do I consider to be you no dancing on the backs of giants such as himself and another man for those who have had on the show so please enjoy it thank you for bearing with that introduction and also just know that I get pretty passionate at times so I take the lead on a lot of fun the issues and I’m passionate about and then again I’m I’m just saying in advance a big thanks to Lawrence for holding space for me to be this younger Buck who’s kind of you know ready to take all this on and in seeking his his wisdom and advisement as a veteran of the industry so yeah thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy it I am here with Lawrence lanoff what I who I considered to be the Obi-Wan Kenobi of Tantra my one of my esteem spiritual mentors and somebody I truly deeply look up to as an older brother in this path and we’re we’re going to catch up a bit from the last time where we did a declaration of sexual human rights assertive Treatise on what we’re up against and how to unfuck your mind and yeah and so yeah you want to talk a bit about where you what you been up to over the last year I continue this journey of on fucking your mind honestly cuz I just feel like it’s probably one of the most important things that we can do for ourselves it is especially you know especially in this day in age like it’s just such an important thing in there so many things that call at our attention so I’ve continued to be offering Alternatives because I understand for some people you know some people like mindfuckery and maybe they think like I was talking with that young woman at the farmers market and she was telling me you know I’m doing this training and I’m really excited about it and I know I can handle myself and you know kind of all these things that come a kind of bravado that comes from not really understanding how treacherous the territory actually is it’s kind of like a you know anyway ignorance is bliss so what I would have been doing is continuing to give people alternative ways of looking at things I’m thinking about things so that they can more deeply unfuck their mind and in fact I have a on that note I have a woman’s Tantra training coming up in Sedona and that you know. Is to help women unfuck their minds there for their bodies and the same you know the same is true with the guys have been working with them some of these projects so here we are you know year later I feel like it’s needed more than ever because there’s a lot of mindfuckery out there so that’s where I’m at an absolutely I’ve been following the podcast and it’s one gym after the next end yes seriously good stuff I mean I thought I had balls with what I was getting into topic Weiss and you put me to shame so I’ve about yeah well you first meet me there you go so I’m glad you said yes and amazing voices out there and yeah the kind of the context that we that we started that was my my profound interest in the work you had done with the red hot touch and the bringing conscious erotica training into the realm of adult entertainment which you have that solid background in with Playboy directing and producing in your own array of projects and that intrigued me when I first heard about you on the Laurie handlers podcast and thought it was so amazing that there’s this attempt to or an opportunity to bridge the gap between sacred sexuality practitioners and instructors and and temples and all of that Network and actually since not a lot of them seem like they’re really willing to become porn performers per se or adult performers there is opportunity to just straight-up hire established performers who have all their fans and actually sort of gracefully approach that whole world and bring the beauty of the experience which speaks for itself out and Doctor Nation or ideology or you know I’m a crusade but more of just an offering and an invitation and since you had done that and I discovered that work and I wanted to connect with you we’ve talked it Avian and it sort of seated some ideas and then I’ve been pretty much since then been on a mission to hack the porn industry and figure out how to figure out really like do Dylan due diligence as I’m I’m going to be investing my body I’m going to be risking my health investing money and all these things that if you were you know working with the A-Team Angel Investors they would expect you to have a business plan and and do your due diligence and so what I’ve come back come back to you after a year of deep study and an immersion is a lot of insight that I kind of want to share with you and get some feedback on and sort of talked about a bigger picture potential to really navigate some of the madness that is the current state of the porn industry from the laws to the performers to the etiquette and the the hierarchy and the politics and figure out what the opportunity really is because I know there’s people with money out there I know that you are a world-class producer and I dunno establishing myself to be a performer and there’s nothing but mind fucked or poorly fucked or both women out there in that world and and men to sew and everything in between soaps before I kind of gives like a a briefing here to the to the conversation where is your heart at now with all this and you know the whole Enterprise is pouring virtual reality these Innovations and we know where how do you see yourself in this in this evolving discourse and technological platform and media platform I you know I am so I mean it sounds silly to say but I am so Pro technology on so many levels I I see technology as an extension of human consciousness in a sense and that Consciousness can be kind of you know very pedestrian or it can be a kind of exalted Consciousness if you will like something that maybe I guess I would call it like the difference between technology that focuses on you know making your life one way or another more painful or technology that focuses your life energy and force on making your life better qualitatively and I feel like all these technologies have that potential they have the potential to really qualitatively created different life for people and when you have you know when you’re in a situation where the culture we grow up and is so messed up around 6 to begin with and then because we don’t talk about it it ends up the default teachers end up being the porn industry itself which is a little bit of like the snake eating its own tail and then they you know than anything else all these kinds of generalizations and stereotypes that people end up learning so where that leaves us is technology that has massive potential but ends up getting utilized by kind of the lowest common denominator and there’s like a pandering to that that’s like it you know you’ve you offer that to people and they like it so you make more of that content so they liked it more until there is he’s weird paradoxes where you know this question of what which comes first is it the chicken or the egg well that’s actually a trick question because she comes first but the butt but I feel like that’s you know that’s where I am on this I mean you have these incredible breakthroughs you have a limited sex education and for many people Limited sexual access so how do you navigate that territory with the tools that we have and I feel like that’s that’s kind of the precipice tree stand near the edge of in this discussion right absolutely me that’s a good a Segway for for me to give you this update about what you know really is the future of all this stuff based on the top industry you know innovators and and a sort of yeah they’re breaking a lot of ground with 3D and VR and now really the what is looking like it’s going to be the the the next next level is this sort of reactive gel-like substance that is sort of intelligent dues that’s not really slimy but just kind of encapsulated in some kind of skin like sort of container service or like a I mean I guess if you imagine if you filled a plastic bag with Jello and made it intelligent through some sort of now know something then it could actually respond and conform and because you know I like the Terminator 2 like liquid metal but it would be something soft and Squishy and phuckable and squeezable that would squeeze you back and it would be dynamic in this virtual reality world so you would be you know having your virtual reality sex that’s feeding your eye sockets and then the dynamic interplay of whatever your whatever it however the system reads your movements and you were accusing your eye movements and we’re not you’re going to have this this fuck quad make bean bag Attack of the Killer sexy beanbag experience that’s going to just be no blow your mind and you know they’ve got the dolls and robots but then you’re looking at a dollar a robot but if you’re looking at your favorite pornstar and this this you know fuck bag thing is is is taken care of you then I guess that’s really where it’s all headed and and it’s again I’m I’m with you on on being you know as much as I’d like us to go back to you know the the the most Primal way of being on Earth it’s not likely it’s going to happen it’s more likely that if you protest technology you’re just going to be left behind and be unheard and irrelevant not even have a voice so you kind of have to yeah be involved in some way and even if it’s to subvert it or you know there was a sort of a group discussion I had when I asked at one of the panels it was like women women porn and it was the top kind of execs and entrepreneurs and just a whole panel of of really that the women in porn who were going to not let you tell that tell them that they’re being exploited do you know they’re going to tell you that they’re killing it and you know it’s none of your business so you know they had a question answer section I got it from you said you know who is anybody I mean I’m looking for I like to know if there is a a secret class of already trained country cozort dakinis who have found their way into pornstar dim or four star or being starlets in the point in history who who I don’t know about who they might know about you-know-who so and so she’s a total knee whatever I’m like we should talk cuz this is what my my you know vision is into didn’t really find didn’t really get any any answer about who that might be or if there are people like that but just having spoken the word Tantra in that space it it did Drew a few people out of the crowd afterwards and we had a like Mastermind conversation about know what we can bring to this and I was pleased that there were other likes very well trained you know seasoned veteran Township people there and we were just yet actually having this Jam conversation about you know toys versus shift in Consciousness to facilitate more group sexual activity and sacred containers and what the it’s funny cuz there’s people who go from being total communal Visionaries are like I want to live in a I want to live in a group you know social atmosphere where is communal and we all male do each other’s dishes and it’s going to be Utopia and it’s going to be a tribe and then they have a few months of that and it’s like dish CSI every day and that’s the Achilles heel of every to go over really switch and then they they pendulum all the way back into like I’m never doing that again I’m going to my apartment so it’s like this dichotomy between mediated sex toys and robots and virtual reality aloneness and physical separation and and the Peril of that versus the Peril of but but getting my needs met in a relationship or in a group of poly people or toxic people is so filled with Peril as well there’s really no you can’t just offer the the you know what I like to see is like a you know what these these toys and these programs in this software is is obsolete because people actually touching each other lovingly and connecting and fucking each other’s brains out more than any other activity you know of besides gardening and sleeping and that’s you know where we go but that’s there’s this I guess tension between all that so where do you see the sort of Continuum between virtual and dharmic opportunity to step up you know the way that you guys did you know back in the day so I just want to bow down deeply and in just feel this moment I feel like what you going to work that you did could really be embraced by let’s say the top pornstars in the world we know they just have to have a one experience of being shocked if I’d you know doesn’t have to be the most extreme Kundalini activation that’s ever happened but just that feeling of there being something loving comforting nurturing that’s beyond you and your mind and your partner and that dissolution into the Divine that’s what we’re talking about that people have just not had the the training to experience so let me add into that that Christopher who built the first Temple Hills and made the video and audio Studio the idea behind not in the idea that we shared and came together around was that you can prove to you that the media confer the equivalent of shop Peapod and that is the interest in really being able to use the media to the new Consciousness God is consciousness is totally imbued with experience it’s what you feel you have to feel it through your being condescending a level and I’m certain EU I’m sure you’re not a practitioner of country with understand that you know what is being built a try to be accessed through the practices it’s the practice he that show off because one can actually manifest and transmit that that energy way that this wave which is the sublime Phoenix but is that the blitz of the gods and goddesses that they are all in this Union space of a blessed and the nectar of that you needed to shower and down and when you can create that wave and I believe that way if it is a transferable energy field which if it’s really establish that can be communicated and transmitted to other people through the media for the sound and light and vibration frequency office amazing gift because that is touching the stars and that to me is in a day it’s been able to tune into that multidimensional nature of the staff and to then tune all that you are all the eats a dune feel to those principles of you know Divine connection and connection Inc you know see the other as yourself understand that they think I’m depending the, that comes back to you so if you just understand that going to happen and all you’re going to want to do is put out the best of all that you can be and how do you be your best you be your best by June in your energy vehicle that you are understanding that all this solid stuff isn’t just solid energy fields and that you are the master or Mistress of this Divine machine that you can gift and that it’s your duty as an awakened being to use everything that’s one of the things in country you use everything rather than refuse or deny everything is money for the other spiritual part of chosen to dissociate in order to be able to develop spiritual nectar but time to use all of it if I do the Alchemy does the Alchemy of all that with pure gold by and my sense of it just touching everything with the heart with the vibration and that’s goddess and the time you know either as a device if you like can be used for for power or it can be used for love and another goddess is all love because that is the only eligible because yeah that was the most Exquisite beautiful Treatise on Tantra that I feel like I’ve ever heard and well it’s a it’s spellbinding and I feel that I just blessed blessed to hear these these words be spoken and by you and and I’m curious if you would like to guide us through what your creative Works have been I know you’ve you’ve you’ve got too many directions since the book was released but I’m curious what do you recommend people start to discover beyond the book that that you feel most proud of and and thank you yes well you know I do see the whole thing at the adjoining and I I I came in as a bikini but I didn’t really know myself and I spent the first part of my life and I think it’s natural for beings to do that to spend the first part of their life but then who am I trying to know oneself and then that way you differentiate your paws from what has been necessarily conventionally and you you you choose this especially if you’re a person just naturally go to the beat of everybody else and you know I know. Keeney is now have been their name is being taken before I kind of embodiment within but you know what they represent in essence is in at the embodiment of a feminine wisdom principal they are archetypes of wisdom wisdom which comes at you naked because it is naked it butt naked truth it’s naked just radiating blessed through every pore and it’s disruptive because it passed away all the things that you because I think you relied on and all those artifice is an old as he go dramas she just Trampled Under Foot and lost and she’s drunk on the blesiv share spontaneous being yeah in the other part of my life before I discovered Tantra and the reflection that I came in just trying to see who am I and in that I said who am I and how do I fit into the culture that I find myself in and it’s my own self and what other projections of others and how am I seeing and how do I see myself and all these things I was bringing into my experience of and I found the technique of collage and that was when I was doing my thesis of surrealist artists map sons did a number of collage books using old engraving and in those books he put together the Engravings to create seamless new world but they were very Fantastical you know people had wings and snake came out between the Pavements and the real encounters happen but now look like they were meant to be like that all the time but he’s instructed them and you couldn’t see where they looked. Together they were a new world and I said I thought you could kind of see make it look like it’s not. But it’s actually fuse into a new reality and you can also really joke people’s perceptions by bringing together the things they wouldn’t normally associate together but by the juxtaposition you to create this what they call it in there so am I use those those tools of collage and use the loss of images of myself had my own photo taken and put myself in that so that I could be both see the Muse and the one I mean the object of somebody else’s view but with photographic and then I also made three dimensional objects and I use those cool things in a lot of pieces life cost of myself my own head button and then like us about the people that was similar to using photographic call out your photos Honda back in 73 I had an exhibition code opening which was all about food and the roster so I’m bringing together you know that the body of woman with the whole idea of the table together in that and it was very shocking to people dressed up I had a whole wedding cake constructed I’m prevented myself as with a van everything adds the wedding cakes at the invitation for the exhibition it was in a being fully engaged in in in the eye and after that I forgot I started it went through for 7 years which was a major I guess you’ll call now to send what was that word wasn’t used at the time but it was me looking at all the skeletons in the cupboard I had a relationship with this filmmaker and we were meant to be doing all these projects together and it never really asked you fully manifest and then we broke up and it was my whole drama with woman’s theater group and my what with them kind of ripping apart their relationship and then I just had to process all this cuz I would say I’m sorry can I ask you something really quick I don’t want to cry or be a gossipmonger anything but I feel that the the Dynamics between creative creative relationships romantic relationships and those the way those play out the Ender play especially if there is I don’t know what that was in your case but I’m I’m really curious to see what wisdom you would have to share about you about using tantric skill sets and tools to harmonize human personality conflicts that’s a big big question a lot to to explore but if you were able if you were confronting these sort of issues were you able to at least somehow raise the vibration you know even if there are deal breakers and things had to be you know closed off but I’m just curious if you were successful at all and applying principles or by Christopher Hills my you know the person who built this property here he did a book called creative conflict which was all about heart-to-heart communication and about people needing to be hard I’m so it’s at whole dynamic between having an exchange with someone else but that person letting you know after you’ve spoken from your heart but they have understood it reflecting it back in their own words to you and that you do that back and forth and it actually creates a whole different kind of feedback loop the misunderstandings that often have a good exercise based on you know Christopher understanding of those principles a yogi eyes pop from being a western scientist animal and he was all these things wrapped together but that was a very good example of principles into the relationship Dynamic but for myself you know that it’s been so many different relationships and even oceans and you know how many dimensions the last to it and each one I’ve had a few major relationships in my life apart from many other relationship but as a few major ones you know that had bad that even a beauty and then Gloria and the agony and you know all of that and I always say there’s no such thing as my student so I like to think we’re all students protection is setting in the area relationship dynamic especially going to the mat the male-female dynamic at this particular time on the planet is in such a challenge in at the rest so many areas that go across because she knows you think of just love and attraction and vibration if you like you know that conventional I’m just you know that Dynamic the spice of life and energy vibrations which you know I make everything so complex and setting it this time the whole sexual identity is something that so you know I’m in the midst for what it’s going to be the next evolutionary stage of how we’re going to be able to manage male-female dynamic in a new way and of course you know the true Keys the Contra do do hold those keys because it is a true and which ones have it if you are able to hold that Crucible and a gaining and it didn’t. Do you have the real chance to be able to see the Divine in each other and bring the Divine fully into that invaded relationship and that you know it’s just the the Beauty and the glory and the end of the immortal France and get moving into our discontent touched any magical ways but at the moment I’m playing a lot of challenging in our relationship not only to each other but to a whole The Crucible of plant it up and down with her that you know that the interpersonal has to also be expanded I believe attitude tantrica to include the whole interaction with all of our natural world at this point and really bringing that into every meditation and interaction really because we can’t afford to lie if that helps eco-warrior and was all about planting gardens and saving trees and I still am now but I feel like what I’ve added to that with Tantra is just a ever-deepening reverence for creation and for the Divine the astral the Earthly Plains all the things we often take for granted I just want to be in that state of reverence and awe that I think most people achieve that when they go into the Great Outdoors and then go hiking or skiing they they have a tantric sort of shocked if acacian of there at least their parts of their system get woken up an activated unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be enough to make them into real hardcore activists a lot of the times but I feel like the there is an ecological agenda that is very transparent and very intrinsic to the path that that romance with with the life-giving fertility of this divine feminine and if you know a lot of people experience very direct communion with the wisdom intelligence and directives of Gaia through this practice so do you want to talk a bit about that kind of revelatory ecological revolution of Tantra if you will be glory after the sexual Revolution and I would save the kind of a cool resonance that I’ve I’ve told condemned presentation to some of her because I really believe especially in the cold vibration that she said we’ve got to start treating the Earth like a lover not like a mother and it when you treat her like a mother it’s you expect the mother to get unconditionally do everything for you and you don’t have to give anything back but if you treat it like a lover than you you know show that you have to give love to that lava and it says to a slow and so that’s an important shift and I think that’s a good thing to bear in mind and I had one time when I was in my twenties and experience with some strange object did Johnny and in that time I had what I still feel program the most orgasmic experience that I had when I had it I was just lying back on this massage table I wasn’t touching myself but I was having these orgasm just passed through my whole body and what I was feeling at the time I felt like I was body of the Earth has style and the every single every single of an insect’s wing and the slithering of the body of a snake and the rustling of leaves everyone going through my whole being beautifully spoken and who could not want to experience that who doesn’t anybody out there not enjoy orgasm it’s a very small number and to the to think that it can become such a flow state of being that level of Sensitivity I kind of almost feel like what most people are striving for when it when they’re trying to get off you know whatever gender or sex they may be is there their they’re basically trying to use friction sex or some sort of high-intensity friction contact in order to kind of chisel or sandblast or break through all this plaque that separating their nervous system and their chakra system from the cosmic Bliss that is a constant wave of orgasmic energy so the more you dissolve that plaque through right action through dharmik practice and purification of all kinds that are very well enumerated in the tatras you know an in yogic texts and Vedic texts there’s a path way to clean your stylus and get more of that orgasmic slow going and it’s definitely so abundant and not so scarce like everything else that we’ve been tricked about as far as the scarcity mindset vs. the abundance mindset so that’s just a follow-up that’s from me and and now that we’re coming to a close on time do you want to talk about some of the anymore highlights from your creative works that people should be looking for then about what’s what’s the current and future of an exorcism it was called and said some the book that I put out and that was trying to look at all these psychological States and and who am I and is that I could dance we both kind of psycho and then I come out at the house and then I have discovered time trip by this point and then I meet Nick Douglas as I say and then we went on to do another College book called man the next to see which was just a celebration of coming out of the confines of this black and white house and all the Western Heritage Inn in the Himalayas and just everything is one century psycho-spiritual play of of everything the profaned the sacred oil mixed together and it was a it was just we were enjoying and I wish I knew how to do, what a wonderful tool it was expecting this and that was that serious and then at the same time we did the secret dakini Oracle which was the 64 card Oracle system in systems put that out and that’s being around working since then then I went to to the Caribbean I was there for 15 years at I-10 and time got a long story short I realized I was there because of the embedded energy of the Arawak Indians whooping for alcohol Caribbean free Columbus and the Magical and pure kind of society who had been swept under the carpet of history and speaking to me and so I firmly believe that the indigenous way of life is the way of creating sustainability for the planet if we can start to embrace him understand that engage instead of in a friend that to the side as the Civilization V how to be in tune with the spirit and all things so that was my home to that way of life but I did for my portraits and they are like Indians in my time that and then I came back to America in 94 after I was I was here before that New York I was working on my phone from about the Arawaks and I finish that and then it was then that I met Christopher Hills and came here and then for the time here I am held a lot of events dr. Christopher past but she did the 97 to bring in the goddess energy and I still would like you to describe them when we talk to them right to coming on on on the car that you were interested in the way of using the energy that is that in these events and we’re all these awful waves so all that happening and I still while we can offer them to the goddess and then she can give her grace to us and doing for several years he has many people from the whole graveyard from performance thoughts and in the area bringing them in and having people get their offerings to Spotify and then one. I made the 64 that key Miracle which isn’t Eeveelution of the nlra but this time each of the energy that he needs and I have 64 Oracle and I hope to do a nap cuz if it can meet chat father and that is like a temple for the goddess and an Oracle phone just working on more three-dimensional pieces the game and coming back into a focus of customizing they oughta game having reached out to all the Divine archetypes imma come back into a more personal expression and now that I’m done now I just want to see you on tour with the museum installation with all this I’m not the biggest art Aficionado in the world but of course I’ve I’ve been a fan of Alex Grey and H R Giger and what I after this conversation I feel like I got a lot of catching up to do on on what you put out that I wasn’t aware of and I’m really going to enjoy it so it is a sort of a sumtur got some guidance that you could provide to say hey go and you know you can go to your website and in and just order purchase what you have or their YouTube videos or any other ways to access your go to website since I mean Menards.com has a broad spectrum of the word that I’ve been talking about and then 64 the numbers that Kenny. Org is where you can go to consult the Oracle and but also that the gallery of the images of the Thai King is there and then the Blue Lotus pod. Com which is rstudio site which has some videos and Son photography so those are few things that you can look at to start with and I haven’t all page on Facebook too with how about Instagram of you if you got on that platform say it took me a while because I just have so many projects and engagements of all kinds I didn’t want to be distracted by something that was another no platform of that nature however I am totally convinced now that it is one of the most strategic leverage points for anybody with the message or Consciousness that can create visual content it’s amazing I just thought of something I wanted to say and it was about relationship and resolution from a perspective that we were talking about mentioning my exorcism though that thing about The Break-Up and processing of the relationship and that’s what spurred our conversation about relationship with my partner at the time and next month or beginning of next month I’m going over to the UK to go to a conference and speak that that’s about this film makeup Peter Whitehead and over the last few years we can get back together in the sensitive film that we did at the time which type of being shown all those years and I was able to show that the Hayward Gallery in London and oh so I’m speaking at the conference about him because it’s a whole retrospect if they take him to the archives at this University and son a solution of some quite powerful can you describe it at all or just footage that we shot at the same time I did all these photographs that became the basis of the footage of myself and my girlfriend and Peter Shaw hit in this old derelict mansion house could love and it’s all just showing it Roar has it came out to the time off to all these years after 1969 that was shot and I guess this unit many takes but it’s like in this time the space that it’s like a magical experience that’s amazing so is there any hope that we will get this that’ll get to see a bigger audience or what do you have his first plants with that now is scheduled to reach a larger audience is a documentary that just being made of me he was young filmmaker Cove it started walking on it in 2012 when I was over in the UK I’m getting a tour at the gallery about my work and he was excited and said, I shouldn’t interfere with you and that interview grew into the documentary what she’s dressed now completed and it’s all of my early walk treat antra I’m in London and a relationship with a woman that hole. And it’s called Penny Slinger Out of the Shadows quite a good release coming up shortly support and Discovery and in the promotion and I’m definitely want to continue to explore in and talk with you about how to support the mission that that was laid out and and I feel like someday I will somebody will be calling me and asking me what was the story behind what brought me to interview and people like you if this is my contribution to the world and there’s just an ongoing interest and it’s so interesting to see to get this background and to have to really just go on a sort of a Time a Time trip into these you know these different points in in your creative history and really if I could just ask you a couple more questions before we before we call it a night do you have a couple more minutes being this kind of bridge through these was one of the things to me that’s very important in the manifestation of my life’s Mission if you like is to be able to be active and relevant at this time in my life when I am old and that the wisdom of the wise woman knows he didn’t pack anything back into society and that’s what he need so much to be able to swear I act now I’m not wanting to be Destin historical figure but I am for the active right now I love that thank you so much yeah that’s I’m so thrilled again that we’re having this conversation and I feel like the the need is is greater than ever to access the wisdom of the elders going back yuno thousands of years and the question I actually want to ask you who really is like the what the let’s see the shocked it country code is the goddess worshiping country cuz whether they would be considered on the left hand path of the right hand path or generally I think more realistically it was a it was a sort of he was ambidextrous it was an ambidextrous way to be in in in the shock to Tantra schools where you were dabbling we’re not doubling but really actually working consciously with Desire with with Will with your will and also with the Divine elements but hopefully with Integrity to Lenny’s trainings you would be in service to add a v or in the process so that you would be sort of putting yourself to work for the Divine will and getting your commission of the small things that your small mind actually wants in this small slice of the universe or the universe and if I if I simplify what the essence of the positive empowered healing Reverend Liberatore nature of of the more feminist Tantra is about purification of those parasites of the heart that you mention you know earlier and if if that was the intention back then against the forces that Humanity was up against at that time that they warned us the forces are going to get worse it’s the Kali Yuga World age and we’re going to be inundated with these negative entities once again the technology that you were exploring and has continued to explore and her still as you said ready to bring to the present moment at this time of absolute sexual Madness more than ever through porn the the question is it took me awhile to get to it but how do you advise the world now about the need for Tantra what are your what are your words of wisdom and take as much time as is you have pleased to give us some guidance now Where Do We Begin what do we focus on and prioritize if we have limited attention spans you know yeah please and that was about a left hand or right hand Tantra and as far as I’m concerned they only real difference in a kind of pacification is that the right hand is to do with meditative Union with say the daikini and the right left hand is to do with actually taking an inverted Shakti to realize that Union but it’s both to do with the inner Union with the Divine being and then the interesting cuz I had it seems so simple but I had a revelation between like tantric meditation and the meditation of other religious forms is you’re not sublimating that energy that section energy you actually using that but what the right hand while you’re using it but with this entire no. Can you actually making love with the internal. Kini so it’s it’s using everything rather than denying everything so I just really wanted to address that because when you say to balancing photos of course you know the play is at the Contra dealer is that Tina between the outer and inner and other call BNI it within the soccer not the gross body that’s why it’s called the second body the energy body where that is you know that that in a erotic channel of energy where in at the Statue of Santa up to the crown and it’s all one energy and I said that they that the blessed is when you envision and experience the union of Shiva and Shakti in the crown chakra meaning like completely in their territory around but fillet in the cellular matrix honey and milk into the Lotus at the hot and got us that and that is The Crucible and that’s if the dentist thing to focus on in the inner plane that’s it because it’s about the dog and dangerous about the dog that hot ass between me and have a claim and it’s true that you know list for meditation that you can stop with the chief Zach time does all the time male body vibrates but we’re actually wonderful wave energy that you are manifesting it’s that I want it that you’re tuning into it with the gift-giving wow so the right-hand and left-hand path are not antagonistic that’s an illusion make the pads Chrysler make an ex or something in a beautiful dress right as bad as it spirals as it should beautiful thank you for that clarification I think that’s going to help a lot of people yeah so so I’m dressing and red and white snake spider and around but you know the contract principle is to get that energy than going into the central Channel which just you know is this I’m at wave of infinity no bottomless and topless photos of spiraling into that Central Channel yes yes thank you so much it’s as beautiful as it’s no wonder that your visual artist because you’re you creating a beautiful art form in the Maginot just through the word so and yeah thank you for that I am very excited to see what you continue to develop and and I definitely feel like his you’re saying it’s if it’s if the wisdom that you’ve been carrying is not percolating through the generations the way that it it we would hope for it to then I want to be stepping up as somebody who who really makes effort to connect people who are interested in erotica and neurotic media and the wisdom teachings that that you you share to be able to access them so hopefully this is one small step in that direction with doing this podcast and I’m going to definitely look forward to just catching up in schooling myself in your work yeah any other things you want to share before we go tonight you are sending out many good powerful vibrations to everyone who possibly tunes into this that they fix that part of being that country Quiva of the own Destinies and put themselves in the center of that own mandalas so that they a defect not just cause at the same time of cost aligning to the Divine headlights in the sky but your fulcrum and your guide so that you are at course but your turkey day at effect of the goddesses well, all right good night thank you so much pain he will text you and take care, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818 to 7515 3 or emo band at Country Park. 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Divine Male Stripper Tells All TPP66

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zane-picIn this episode I’m joined by my colleague in the new sacred masculinity movement. He is a male stripper on top of his game after years of building a world class brand. We learn of his humble beginnings, his smashing success in local Nashville clubs, his innovation in assembling a traveling pole dance troop, and his transition to mainly solo work by appointment at private parties.

He explains how the ethics, energy, charisma, and anima it takes to be a male stripper can and must be cultivated by every man to achieve full presence and vitality in the bedroom and beyond.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to time for fun podcast episode number 66 I am going to be interviewing Zane who is a Nashville male stripper and we’re going to learn a lot about the sacred bad boy archetype here and so how you got to become a male stripper in your life boy that is a long long story the very short version of that story is I was just the right man for the job and I was in the right place at the right time and should just kind of fell together and next thing you know I was on stage in front of large groups of people getting naked and making money in ways that I never imagined possible that is the short that’s the short version if you want the long version we can get into that yeah yeah cuz you and all that you probably didn’t some people did actually you know that Spire to be in that role but where did she go out how did life unfold leading you into that that moment of being at the right place at the right time well for starters we can rewind about a year or two before I started dancing and at that point I was 19 going out to 20 years old living in The Boondocks the mountains of Carthage Tennessee and I was playing in a death metal band as a bass player the whole band and I were living together in a run-down creepy-ass house in the Backwoods of the fucking Countryside way up in the mountains you got to go like 5 miles or so through this like one lane Gravel Road that finally leads up to my house my house look like something straight out of a Rob Zombie movie and my whole family dinner at the cops never came on our road ever so we did whatever we wanted we just partied all day shoot guns out there since nobody gives a fuck and we would throw bonfire parties my drummer Aaron at the time was native to that sound so everybody out there knew him there big ass party everybody comes out there and comes to check us out of our neighbors made moonshine a few people grow mushrooms and shit and just go out there and play metal songs and that was our whole life that lasted a good while and then I moved back to Middle Tennessee and heard through the grapevine about a club in downtown Nashville that was hiring male dancers and you know the band had split up I needed money and I did not think cuz cuz they were auditioning people I figured I would show up ask around and just see what comes out of it I couldn’t dance where the shit I was playing in the death metal band I’m used to getting it to Moss pets and she said you know so like so when somebody says hey there’s a nude male strip club I had long black hair that I’m usually pulled back in a ponytail I mean not exactly I mean I was in shape I mean I look good but like I was not Magic Mike by any stretch of the imagination but I showed up for whatever reason and the manager said okay you’ve got to get on stage and dance for one song by the end of the song you’ve got to get completely naked and that’s going to be your audition I said word went back to the DJ booth you guys got any Nine Inch Nails any Rob Zombie or corn or something and we pulled up the song it was probably the most awkward five minutes of my life and I thought I really really believe that I was going to get laughed out of the club like I didn’t know what I was doing there I never at that point in my life like I was just barely 20 years old at that point I never been to a strip club in my life ever I’ve never seen anybody do a pole trick I’ve never seen a lap dance actually take place I didn’t I couldn’t dance I didn’t know what the hell I was doing I was just I was there I really thought I was I was getting ready to apologize like I’m sorry this fucking suck time I’m Gone by the end of the song manager gets up on the microphone like okay when can you start I’m like so you got to get your SOB license sob stand for sexually oriented business so I had to go get my sexually-oriented business license and I could start dancing and pay out the club about 40 to $50 a day make cash everyday and what I make is mine to keep I said I fucking made the audition M-66 it’s going on to about six and a half years later this point I’m 26 years old now I was barely twenty years old at the at the time and here I am talking about it now I thought I was about to get laughed out of the room go back to working at some fucking Factory or Warehouse like all the other jobs that I’ve worked previously but it worked out and it’s been a hell of a ride man that’s the that’s the introduction to that and so is that with the same club or if you bounced around what’s changed over the 60 at everything that was that was the beginning that was the beginning that was a club that is not around anymore it was called Club Arrow or some people refer to it as Arrow Nashville in downtown Nashville male strip club right in the heart of downtown and I worked there for about a year and after that apparently the mayor Governor whoever of our town the Senators and all that could not handle the idea of having a male strip club so close to our convention center and right in the heart of downtown where all the tourists like to go and I read some of the news tabloids about it like our politicians right here in Tennessee where saying it’s one thing if a lady takes her clothes off on stage for men but when a man does it it’s repulsive or he said something to that effect and it made me nauseous man like I worked there for about a year I got a real taste of the game and really got passionate about what I did and then I started hearing this and I forgot that oh yeah we’re in the middle of so-called conservative Buckle of the Bible Belt Middle Tennessee and here we are doing what is completely against the grain of what mainstream Society considers to be decent or chivalrous in any way throw money at us come on and apparently apparently the the people running the show that is Tennessee could not handle the fact and so the club got bought out from underneath us without any of the dancers knowing it apparently all the club Owners and managers were in on it and just didn’t even tell us until one day I woke up to a phone call and it was my manager at the time Bo who just said hey man there’s no more Arrow we’re locking the doors tomorrow you got till the end of today to come over here get your stuff out of the Walker and it’s over and that was about five five five and a half years ago it was right around Christmas I think of 2010 I believe and we didn’t we were devastated me and all the other dancers you know we didn’t know what to do because of that point we had fallen in love with the game the show the entertainment just everything about what we did was like just such a fucking Rush that you know once it ended we’re like now what where do we where do we go from here and a shortly after that there was a club owner from a place pretty close by to their calls me up apparently I had given him my number at some point at that club arrow and I don’t remember doing that but he had called me up out of the blue and said hey I heard are is closing down why don’t you want to bring your boys down to my club in bold put on a show for you guys had word and we put on a show just in the middle of his club and that turned into a big thing you know like the this was on New Years going into 2011 amazing party amazing crowd like everybody had of last we all made money and it’s like we’re taking that and it work we we took that energy from that club that we worked at together and started spreading it so in a way you could say that Arrow closing down on us was actually for our benefit like that’s where it was birthed but from there it’s spreaded and it started with me and Nightclub owner talkin we put on the New Year’s big and it became a hit next thing you know we bought ourselves a portable pole we became a traveling pole dancing group started traveling all over the southeast United States and we would roll up into a club and we would just set up a pole right there where ever was convenient to us and it was amazing we could just do pole tricks in the middle of any club and put on a show and travel and would become a big thing that went South that lasted a couple of years I just banded from that group for other raisins and perfect timing with that because this and that happened and the whole thing fell apart but God damn it that was a good fucking ride that we gave it for myself like right at the same time that I had helped start that pole dancing group starting with that New Year’s gig and then other gigs after that that I had set up and started booking and we started traveling and Performing and all that at the same time I started creating a network for myself which is the best move for me to make at the time and that’s I think what really saved my ass like a kept myself afloat in the industry after this pole dancing group head collapse okay not to sound arrogant but I at the time I was worth more as an Entertainer then the group was as a traveling unit and at the time that I disbanded you should started going south and at the time like by that point I had already created a network for myself other people that I’m connected with that are going to book with me where I can perform wherever I want and I started doing like a lot of bachelorette parties private parties birthday parties party bus party boats and you fucking name it and by the time that that group had disbanded and sort of crumbled collapsed on us I was already in an independent entity making money on my own as an entrepreneur and I’m still doing it to this day and still keep in touch with all the guys most of them you know you know still perform the occasional Club gig here and there and it’s always fun and still doing bow and here I am like I said talking about it and in the meantime it’s good to hear from me to Tanger problem this is exciting I’m totally totally getting in this trance listen to tell me about how what’s the mechanics of that that’s very interesting I never heard that they did that so how does what does that look like and how does it how do you set that up a little tiny bit can you repeat that how does that work well it was a pole that you can take apart and put together it’s it’s a portable pole it doesn’t it doesn’t connect to the ceiling of a club like it you would set up the bass on ground level and in the middle is like a ball bearing like swivel type thing were then you assemble the pole itself and put it inside the base the foundation and from there it’s spins and everything and it’s pretty sturdy so we had one guy that was like well over 200 lb of big white boy country boy and everything totally fucking crunk I would do backflips and all kinds of crazy pole tricks and everything on the Poland and I think it only fell apart on him one time aside from that it’s been pretty sturdy over the years but like I said that’s way in the past and lots of good times that have happened as a result is it kind of like one of those like kicking post like that martial arts studio kicking post or like a basketball hoop that has like it has some sort of thing it’s weighted bottom or is it the UPS okay so you don’t know the name of the brand I’m not the one that bought it but I mean ok it’s the sound ation that you build on ground-level its circular at the bottom ways a good bit there’s a metal frame that goes inside of it then there’s the circular platform that you can actually walk and dance and twerk on in the center would be the whole with like a ball bearing like open hole type of thing where then you assemble the pole separately in three different pieces stick it in the center in the thing spins and you can jump on it go upside down and it fits in the back of any regular cars trunk so we can grab a lot of steak of all over the place we went as far south as Panama City Beach Florida and I think I believe it’s for North as Evansville Indiana and pretty much it all the states in-between weird head at various clubs in many many stories many different things that have happened and people and shit that’s gone on in the middle of all that good stuff in well that’s so tell me about if you will what your internal experiences in these in these dances that mean are you feeling now you said you’re getting a rush imagine I mean I’ve been into clubs where the others just like a like gay clubs where there’s actually mostly I’ve heard it’s like a lot of straight guys like just College you know college guys straight guys that are just trying to make a little extra bucks on the side but it was kind of like you know stomping a little bit on the on the bars standing up and just having people come up and stuff terminal like this the dance of stopping you just kind of like moving your cat down but you’re not getting real real crazy like pole dance I haven’t seen you know that yet so it sounds like you’re getting pretty wild like you’re getting in people’s faces you’re like doing the lap dances and you just a wild man right at them at a concert might be something different but as a male dancer I mean we’ve pretty much done everything if that’s what you mean well so I saw I saw you do a little lap dance recently and what how tell me about a male stripper lap dance what is that what is that like what is he mean what do we do yeah yeah if you were to describe it you know if you would like writing your Memoirs you know and you were like you know these are some of the moves like oh yeah like what what typically happens during a lap dance pole oh boy I guess it it really boils down to the aspect of being a good Entertainer is all about filling out the Vibes and not only so to speak surf The Vibes the the the waves that are the women’s emotions and that are the vibe that I’m creating within the room like as I’m owning the room like as the sole Entertainer like 90% of my games right now it is like you know private parties Bachelorette birthday party stuff like that itches like that’s that’s mostly what I do and then we’re sitting here talking about pole dancing and stuff that was years and years ago that was like five years ago I was doing that but as a doing doing bachelorette parties during a lap dance it’s all about filling out the Vibes and that would apply to being in a club to it’s all about feeling Out The Vibes and going going with that I can read the woman’s body energy their posture just how much they’re getting into it I can tell if she’s so high or reserved like nervous because it’s the first time she’s doing something like this or if she’s completely just into it and wild and everything and anything else that that’s in between during a regular lap dance I can feel out the vibes from her body and just what is what is happening in the way that her friends are like responding to what I do and from there I usually start with some kind of teas where I’m not completely physically touching the girl that I’m about to dance for and just kind of Escalade from there it can go into like grinding a lot of times I fish out dollar bills with my teeth a lot of her friends will stick dollar bills like in her cleavage and you know very you know parts of her body were all fish out the dollar bills with my teeth and stuff like that in the girls get all into it and everything a lot of different tricks and things that I do sometimes depending on what outfit that I’m wearing at the time like let’s say I’m wearing my cop outfit should I wear the cop outfit all the time and that’s a huge hit like all the girls will take that a lot sometimes sometimes the girls request whipped cream so I like to keep my refrigerator stocked with whipped cream this time of year because you never know when that might come in handy right and then during if I’m not going to be a cop or like a pizza delivery guy or something like that like I’m just in my regular Cowboy outfit or if they haven’t requested anything specific where they just want me to show up looking sharp or whatever like a business suit or something like that usually my intro is going to be like most often when I show up the bride does not know that I’m coming like it’s going to be a surprise to her oftentimes like it’s only the girl that both me and her friends like all the other girls in the room that are actually in on it and in cases like that in fact most other cases to be honest what I like to do as my intro is I’ll bring a blindfold and I’ll tell the girls that book to me you know they always meet me outside the room before I start dancing you know I’m bringing my Boombox and everything for me and I told him to blindfold the bride-to-be or the birthday girl whoever you know the star of the night so is going to be and get her to sit down in the seat blindfold her and balls he’s blindfolded I might walk inside while she doesn’t see me and you know plug in my Boombox in my party light and all that plug in my iPod my playlist everything and then whenever I’m ready all the girls in the room will start changing the bride’s name in La Brittany Brittany Way what’s going on what’s going on for the blindfold off how you doing Brittany and then all the girls are going crazy and it it’s always a blast man it’s always a blast is there footage of a demo reel for this I got to see this man this is too if you’re talking about that little 10-second video clip that I posted in the Forum I haven’t seen a couple days ago right I haven’t seen that yet but I’m really I would love to see this like as a music video or something I mean it’s it’s this is like so a demo reel that that documents all this I would love to see a male stripper performance during a bachelorette party filmed and edited by The Format of the music video that would be amazing I’ve never seen or done that before I do that and if it happens because I’m going to top Magic Mike but that’s it let’s let’s do it there’s no reason why this shouldn’t be the what all males aspire to be able to accomplish you know in their own private lives like being a really juicy dancer you know that’s what’s missing and debts you know that I mean either so so many guys did you say I can’t dance or I don’t dance and no that’s that’s write any anybody you should never say that you cannot dance because anybody can dance fucking half-ass nod your head to some music that is fucking dancing so nobody should say if they cannot dance that is a fucking lie and don’t ever believe it you can dance for this because you know I can’t I mean from the metal scene I wasn’t metal everything and yeah I think head-banging moshpit Circle pits in pitted sink head swell with all that stuff is a form of movement but you know the but despite permitted to do that you know if you were to start getting kind of smooth and sensual and graceful moving your head beat you up as a fagg that’s what you know what I mean a lot of that world but you know that there is that homophobic through that pain world you know but I mean shit like that I mean I’ve never really seen anything homophobic but I’ve never I mean metal metal is one of those genres where you don’t see a whole lot of openly gay people with the exception of the lead singer for Judas Priest and that’s I mean forgetting that’s I mean if I certainly haven’t seen or experienced anything like that at the same time I mean you know meet me personally I went from heavy metal and death metal in Dania bass player which which I still answer this day don’t get me wrong from that to like you said actually having it in the hips having the Mojo being able to to move with the music and from there I started to evolve from heavy metal and stuff like that wear nowadays I’m more like industrial music and stuff but I’m also moved into like rave music and stuff like that he’ll at my parties I know that I’m performing at I don’t play that kind of music at all I mean like at my parties I’ve got my own playlist that I made myself as customers shit it’s like you know Ludacris Lil Jon you know Rihanna 50 Cent I got this one remix from Nine Inch Nails and 50 Cent words like the Beat from Nine Inch Nails closer but it’s put to 50 Cent you know I go Shawty It’s Your Birthday we gonna party like it’s your birthday the girls love that song love it because the the beginning is just that Yeah Yeah Yeahs Nine Inch Nails closer all the kinky girls in the room instantly as soon as I beat drops they all perk up I’ll look at them and then all the girls that are just there to party and aren’t as kinky are going to recognize 50 Cent as soon as he comes in go Shawty It’s Your Birthday they start singing along to it and then just insert the bride’s name or whoever you’re giving a lap dance to go Britney and so I got so I’m wondering how do you end up with a lot of these if it’s not the birthday girl or I probably Hopewell you would hope not The Bachelorette but I’m sure you must get so many phone numbers and people throwing panties that you how do you manage all of all of the solicitation since you had skit you know as far as that goes I mean of course what I do what we do as male entertainers is meet me offer the ladies this new experience that many of them have not experienced before most of the women that I have never had any kind of male stripper experience aside from what they’ve seen from Magic Mike you know so when they have the full one experience of okay we’re from out of town we’re getting a hotel here in Nashville and they’re hiring a male stripper that never done this before and they’re kind of expecting like a Magic Mike type of thing and I show up and I’m doing the cop thing or the cowboy thing or being a doctor or you notate the delivery guy at fireman military hotel security bang on the door say something about a noise complaint and sit cream the blindfold the handcuffs body shots of fishing dollar bills about of their cleavage isn’t set they they haven’t experienced anything like that so I think that the experience for them is very opening and freeing and a very not only a new experience but it it opens them up in such a way sexually where it can be considered a sort of evolution for them and for the people that I dance for like I believe that evolution is spawned by having a variety of experiences and that includes sexually so like when they when they had this new experience that is it’s certainly got a sexual element to it with the stripping performance and all that that creates Evolution it creates change within them and I think that that experience can be such a positive thing for them that yes I mean they they definitely like to talk to me afterwards but what happens from that point forward like after I’m done performing is my own discretion like you know I typically just choose to be a professional I told him if they want to book me again you know go to the to my booking agent website they can request me again for the next party and everything so I don’t usually I mean I might have to take their phone number but it doesn’t mean that I’m going to call them necessarily at that point forward whatever I do is my decision and it’s entirely up to me what happens with any of them well so I like to be a choice is what I’m saying only man that’s cool you have obviously you’re not well this is this is so I just didn’t because you know I’ll put it in a couple of my thoughts than in size which is that like we’re in totally opposite ends of a spectrum of providing new like you said like evolutionary erotic sensual experiences for women and kind of activating a deeper energetic sort of Pathways that they haven’t had no access to and in that bringing that presents which you’re not going to find you know right now in a man who is not really moving that she’s so you know in the words of the you know that I am the fuel I’m in is a timeshare thing that you’re doing and you’re actually having this like deep energetic Awakening affect and your butt without without calling it that without saying you have to do some spiritual you know refinement or paths really just direct experience of it so that’s very fascinating that’s absolutely man I agree with you on that like as far as it being like an opening an extensive kind of experience although of course I’m not going to be sitting there doing man Charles and meditation and breathing and shit with them like you like you would mention like the way that the way that I feel is that it’s up to me to do things like that you refer to it as being kind of like a tantric kind of experience which I wouldn’t disagree with that I wouldn’t I probably agree with that to an extent yeah I mean like but as far as it being an Awakening kind of experience for the women that experience made it’s up to me to do the work within myself to bring myself to my eyes potential so that I can create space for the women to have an experience like that which would not be possible if I myself was not in tune and in touch with what I’m doing and that it’s it’s from that place within my soul that I create experiences for the thousands of women that I’ve danced for for them to have that and in that sense you could say that it’s like a piece of me goes out with that if you know what I mean that’s beautiful what this another ironic thing is it since I have been sort’ve called to have a presence in Las Vegas I started teaching contract like the mantras and meditation and the Serta sacred dancing at a at a pole Fitness Studio to try to experiment with that Alchemy of the you know the energies and and it’s been really cool and I feel like you know the the way that I can see I just got to say man you got to have brass balls to be able to go out the world and bring that you know just as a one-man unit but I guess you built it up with with your crew for while he starred in the club so by the time you did that you know on your own you were pretty confident but are you have you thought about like opening some sort of maybe not you know maybe not a full-on Academy but just starting having a like a a training program for men to get on this cuz I would love to see more guys like you you know out there I’m sure there’s a lot there’s a lot doing it but you got a perspective on it but I’d love to see you know the sort of franchise if you will if you’re into that is a sunny thought about like training yeah I haven’t I haven’t there’s an old pimp saying the game is to be sold not told this is one of the first times that I’ve really opened up and talked about the male stripper industry-wide candidly the only other time would be the closest thing to what you’re talking about I was interviewed for a book that came out a thing two years ago it’s called behind the G string Dion’s Guide to Becoming a male stripper by D on the tarvis I believe that it’s out on Amazon right now my head like I think it’s seven or eight page interview in that book or I was talking about you know my history and a little bit about the industry and stuff like that but that’s about the closest I’ve come simply because the right people have not approached me granted a lot of the dancers that I used to work with libero and pole dancing together with and stuff like that has contacted me asking me for this and that but you know it’s it’s all about how do I put this it’s all about what seems right at the time I guess you know when and I’ve done a whole hell of a lot to help the dancers that I’ve come up with and many others that I’ve met along the way you know you guys got in a lot of dancer is going to different websites hook him up with different people I broke one guy into the porn industry years ago five six years ago and he’s still thriving in the porn industry today started a after-hours male stripper show at a Female Strip Club hear it downtown that used to be open it’s closed since then it was called Gabrielle’s VIP Club and I started in after I wear show their of course that’s not around anymore cuz they’re not around all the things like that you know if behind people and posters Flyers hook him up with photographers and things like that but I’ve never actually trained anybody and especially not in the realm of Consciousness and creating a very evolutionary conscious impact on the women and the city’s there for that we danced for just the right opportunity hasn’t really presented itself to me well yeah I mean I think this conversation is going to be a disorder of the something that I’m putting together you know with with some pretty some of my most respected elders and mentors of all genders really is like a a kind of a very diverse educational training system that’s going to essentially license male lovers to start with licensing male lovers where they will have had to complete a number of your assignments and in training modules and whatnot in order to be considered presentable to women in it and is safe and sacred lovers so now that we’re having this conversation I realize that they need more than just the sexual health you know medical sort of training about how to have safe sex you know how to you know practice the ancient loving Arts of pleasing a woman you know sexually in bed and emotional intelligence but this aspect of like you need to be able to bring out your tiger and be able to actually run this this this energy and N B A Dancer I mean it’s I believe that it’s a beautiful day man I really do what you were just talking about I Believe That We’re Men the populist of mainstream male population 21st century United States where we are consciously as men in relation to our love lives and how we relate to women is so backwards it is sickening we’ve been taught this false and twisted Paradigm through the mainstream media through billionaires that are out there I don’t give a fuk about any of us man through the the rappers in the rock stars in the excess that you see on on MTV and bet and VH1 and the list goes on man nobody’s been taught exactly what you’re talkin about how to not only truly understand women how to feel into them and feel with them and to guide that experience into something very opening and and for everybody’s Grove something that is practically non-existent and I’m so thankful that you and I are golf on this path and that we’re having this conversation because God dammit this needs to spread you know we’re going to collaborate and so tell us a bit about your your DJ your DJ stuff to oh yeah mean as a DJ I mean I’ve never it’s not exactly related to my stripping career as of yet but yeah I mean I do DJ I’ve spent a couple of years just doing my own thing as a solo artist in the studio doing mostly on electronic and Industrial Music and then I crossed over from being a purely Studio entity into focusing on a live show being a DJ and I’ve been doing quite well with that I got my DJ setup believe it or not as a birthday present my last birthday when I turn 26 thankfully Maya I was kind of low on cash at the time and I just brought it up with my mother and I said you know I’d really like to be a DJ and if you’re thinking of something to get me for my birthday intense I would really like some money to put toward the DJ setup and I’m so thankful that they were able to support me in that way because I use the money that they’ve given me and bought myself a bad ass setup and I had a producer here in Nashville Robinson he’s a fucking man you know like I’m not good with computers but he is and he installed all my DJ Sid and my software and all that tractor and tried to Pro in all that machine and so yeah like right now the place that I most often perform at as a DJ would be at this BDSM dungeon that we have just outside of downtown Nashville called The Mark it’s a members-only BDSM dungeon I’m currently a member there so it was not hard at all to get a gig there lyrics like I already know the owner of the place so I just have to say hey Mercury dude I’m starting to spend electronic and Industrial Music and I’m getting pretty good can I can we have a night where I just set my shit up in spin ball everybody starts fucking and getting freaky in the dungeon. Doing all sorts like S&M torture and shit like that and he said hell yeah and I said hell yeah and he said hell yeah back and you know who also said hell yeah was everybody else who showed up for that submissive at the time was there she got to see it in that was the first time that I’ve ever performed in front of people as a DJ was actually at the dungeon the only person who knew at the time that that was like I didn’t actually tell the owner or anybody there that this is my first time performing in front of anybody and I did it for our set while they were getting yeah well they were getting freaky and lots of S&M type of stuff people getting locked up into cages and being tortured with electric cross people being strapped down in the surgical tables and dentist chairs and Gynecology cherries and people getting tied up to the big ass X another cross that we’ve got in the in the dungeon and getting whipped and flogged with that you know girls beating guys guys beating on girls girls getting gangbanged lesbians going at it and he’s sitting there for four fucking hours this I mean I’m already used to seeing that since like I said like I’m a member at that place but then there is a new level of Rush that that gives me and that I tend to channel through myself through my set through the mix through the speakers where I take that Rush that I feel and I spread it through the dungeon so that all the people there can feel as I feel through the music and that is such a blessing and a rush to me because I see everything they’re doing I can hear their screams of orgasm of pain from the masochist and sadist that are there just everybody like partying people getting all over each other at the mark and a really getting into it and then I’m I feel like a maestro like I feel like an orchestrator like I’m orchestrating the soundtrack to what’s happening side play this you know heavy like all remix you know by Combichrist all remix a lot of like you know sitrans kind of music and stuff like that you know Nine Inch Nails a lot of you know random as you know stuff that I’ll also throw in there too remix and stuff like that while the people are really getting into it and having their own sexual experiences that’s you know but maybe someday I’ll integrate being a DJ into being an exotic dancer which I haven’t done like I’ll be honest like I’ve only been DJing since my birthday which is August 25th it’s now the day after Memorial Day 2016 so like but I’m on my way man like I’m doing remixes of old songs that I’ve done before I started crossing over into being a DJ like I did all that stuff anyway let’s that’s that’s being that’s being a DJ like it it’s it’s it’s a mind-expanding and very opening and sexual experience for the people to get to experience me as a DJ in that dungeon setting now I’m taking that energy and spreading it in two different clubs that I’m starting to get booked for as a DJ things like that are in the works right now but it’s taking that same energy that sexuality that rushed that that I’m learning how to channel Within Myself and to push it like out of myself and into the mix so that the people feel it like you can get down you can you know like I’m starting to talk now about performing at some of the regional Burning Man festivals near where I live you know there’s lots of regional festivals we’ve got Serendipity here in Tennessee we’ve got Euphoria and Alchemy in Georgia we’ve got Transformers in North Carolina all sanctioned by burning man and so like I’m getting to the point where I’m I’d like to take that same energy and spread it into the Burning Man community so that they can have the same kind of experience themselves while while they’re in that place and that’s who is a gift that I like all for everybody and I considered a real blessing and an honor to do that wow this is examining your there’s techno shamans isn’t is it worth neo-pagan techno Shaman sexual Shawn Mendes like I never heard that yeah it’s it’s it’s been around for awhile you know that the people who followed Terence McKenna are often like in this romance with the potential of Technology Timothy Leary was big into VR you know stuff so it’s like this idea of being able to walk for one like map The Invisible landscape with digital technology and you know virtual reality be able to actually be talking about some of the same things were encountering in the astral you know planes and put this in the Sonic engineering that’s helping with psytrance and the 432 music kind of Revolution it’s like there’s so many like you’re in a real powerful really rich like powerful you know Wizardry sorcery position and everything isn’t yeah because it that you know that this interesting Alchemy I’m seeing what you’re doing because the the burner let’s say like the Neo techno Shaman Pagan burner world that super you know evolve in Consciousness about diet Health well-being spiritual hygiene purification chakras yoga Tantra psychedelics there’s all that knowledge and wisdom is being cultured in that in that container and then and I’ve been I’ve been walking between the worlds for many years to so I can you know as you’re talking like I know those vibes in the mic and then I go to play parties like Dungeons and I’m like wow they’re accessing this psych Exorcism of the Shadow they’re like really getting into their their hidden parts and their their shamed parts and their childhood wounds and their there they’re creating a safe space to explore you know they’re there a new all of the energy but then you go over to the food tray and it’s like Oreos and Chips Ahoy in your lap I need to go to you know one of these other types of meetups to to absorb some of that like the Aftercare aspect it’s like I love to see the shamanatrix recently on the podcast and that you don’t call yourself a professional dominatrix she’s bringing in wisdom of shamanism and assertive you know that these other holistic modalities of healing and the Kink aspects so it’s like okay let’s dig up all of this you know a gnarly sort of demonic like in Crested painful wounding from the culture in from Child sick to be the only person that actually uses that word I’ve never called gnarly ass pasta tonight you want something like that and then you know own whatever is that you really want to keep and then actually courage and solve and send you know cast into the abyss what you don’t want but it’s like see if you imagine bringing the Burning Man like crystal grid sacred geometry dance for alter back into least like in the middle of a dungeon it could be a room within the dungeon that’s kind of like the Aftercare like you know chill out how they got the all-night Dark Side just like masculine pounding alien and you know Madness and then you get the Comedown of the morning sets and the Trancy Prague experience so this is all deep in some of these Nashville I mean I’m in Sin City and you’re in Nashville what are we going to bring some some serious Rick and you’re in Sin City now we’re into yeah yeah I’m going to have to figure out we got to have this experience that mean I think since you’re producer and your DJ everything like you should at start channeling like some archetypal track that you’re going to sing on and make the beach for and like tell the story of like how you going to replicate yourself like this is tell your story might make it attractive that will make a music video and during a bachelorette party giving lap dances and working the crowd and everything getting all the ladies you know crazy and everything and then film it an amazing idea I’ve never done that before but I fucking love no guarantees whether or not I’ll do it or not but it’s a great idea and who knows man on my fucking run with it volunteers if you know this I want to I need to get in that world my man you’re in the middle of goddamn since it if you take your energy and bring tear into the middle of buckle of the Bible Belt Middle Tennessee I mean I love where I live I love Nashville this is my hometown but God damn it this whole thing about being conservative and everything is in my opinion it’s it’s a real it’s not true the whole thing that you spend some time in the underbelly of buckle of the Bible Belt Nashville Tennessee no find out just how you know so called Pure and conservative the people here really are that is a whole different story of the saying that you’re talking about being from Sin City nowadays I go by Zane my original stage name was actually Vegas dancing right there in Sin City and call yourself you can call yourself in Vegas Boyson City but you’re also naming yourself after you might have to work on that one that is working progress but you know what if you’re going to do what you got to be the contrast was like what I’m doing here in Nashville dance right yeah I put it on it yeah I I I have a interesting sort of likeness to let’s say let’s call him mr. Magdalene mr. Magdalene is my slippers you know tantric way of flipping the script on on the Bible so we’re talking about we’re talking about the the Gospel of Thomas and the Mary Magdalene you know gospels in the Dead Sea Scrolls where there’s more information about the Hanky Panky that was going on you know but damn straight in a sentence grandma gave me a little bit of that old Hanky Panky when I went to give her a lap dance she would be the one to use that word Hanky Panky but did you pull it off very very bold about 2 where to go or is L Word of Mouth or how do we how do the listeners that gets you a you know oh boy I mean I’m all over the Internet I’d rather not use this podcast as a platform for me to self promote with myself I would do this what it’s all about don’t be shy there’s no reason not the way that things are going right now like I’ve got to work where I’m doing just fine right now I’m practically over boat but you can find me look let’s let’s just be very simple about it if ladies want to book me and they are in or near Tennessee we’re talkin Alabama Kentucky I think the last time that I performed a long ways away was about 6 weeks ago in Cape Girardeau Missouri to the little Club gig out there if you’re anywhere in the Southeast near Tennessee just about every website that books melster excuse me that books male strippers for bachelorette parties in private parties and even Club gigs on already connected with they would find you in on ya like Z8 yeah like that’s my stage name is Zane just about every website that books male strippers in and near the Nashville area weather my pictures are on the website or not chances are I’m connected with them and chances are most of them I’ve been with for years at this point some of the companies I’ve actually help build up before they got big at this point it’s if you want Zayn and you’re anywhere near Nashville or Tennessee just go on the internet hit up any you know who I had just just ask for Zayn you’re going to have to work for it that’s what I’m going to do I’m going to make you work for it ladies at work right now I don’t know if this makes me think like as far as you know my my entrepreneurial you know mine says how do you scale yourself beyond your locality is like well what about Skype and webcams I mean is that is there any kind of market for that or the you know I mean for Skype and webcam I mean I do webcamming you know of a lot of guys just do it a lot of guys and gal everybody does is it’s real you know you know I was in that market for a short while we’re talkin years like five six years ago I was in that market pretty part time but you know I know that industry fairly well. Pretty well-connected what I will say as far as what you’re talking about webcam and using the internet as a platform to hustle and work and make money you know if you’re talkin about working as a male dancer and you want to make some extra money while you’re not dancing through the internet I say the best thing to do is Market with other dancers and ask them what other websites they know like website administrators that do webcam interactive websites I didn’t hear that sexy jobs.com on nowhere on the internet that does anything pornographic like that a whole a whole range of things actually in the end. Anymore at least you know adult films but yeah I’m interested cuz I think you know if you can if you’re not being able to grow you know or able to get on assignments like you might it be if if if you have like a a training program than you could you know just facilitate people to to get into this cuz it seems like he’s a lot more a lot more sustainable than 4 in any way for lottery reasons like I like I like this direction you know nothing about what you just said sustainability no stripping unless if you work at a strip club weight were okay like let’s say if you live in a major city Nashville California Atlanta and you get hired to work at a strip club okay you can come back tomorrow next week next month and you are guaranteed that that strip club were will still be there so if you get higher you can keep coming back as long as you’re still in good standing and you can rest assured that your job is not going anywhere know if you get booked doing what I do this industry is not stable like I said I can tell you a whole hell of a lot about the the pornographic industry I was only there very very briefly like I can’t tell you very much about it I did get connected it didn’t last it it’s just not my cup of tea but I mean like it is no doubt like if you put your mind and body to it there is money to be made no doubt I would not be the one to ask about advice about that but what I say is that as far as being a dancer goes unless you work at a strip club it’s not a stable income I mean like I work when I get booked yeah okay so my my income depends entirely on being in demand which I’ve worked very hard towards being in demand and cultivating exactly what it is that they want being a good Entertainer and I’ve done very very well to very deeply route myself in this industry so that at this point I’m solid like at this point I’ve been with a lot of these different people for years and years you know built up their companies like they they know me I’ve given their companies many many five-star reviews like so at this point I’m not going anywhere I’m doing just fine but for anybody who’s up-and-coming like if you’re switching over from born into dancing it may not be that easy don’t do not quit your day job is what I’m saying like I don’t fucking listen to me having a drink with you and just talk in about this and that and just be like oh I think I’m just going to get into that and just dive headfirst into it no no no no no no and I do not want to be responsible for that don’t quit your day job unless there is a strip club in your city like if you live in a major city and there’s a major traffic going through that club you’re not guaranteed shit you know like the the websites were I’m on the girls see my pictures they see my name is Zane and they specifically request me okay now if you’re not in demand you’re not going to be requested so I get requested for my dig the girls look at my pictures and they read my bio and they say we want Zane and I make a very good I’ve done very well for myself in in that area but it wasn’t don’t I don’t want to mislead you or listeners into thinking that it’s an easy road to the top or that you can become sustainable at this overnight this is pure entrepreneurship it’s about it’s about being an entrepreneur it’s about being a sole proprietor of yourself being responsible for yourself and being confident in what you do not only as a dancer not only with your your body in your physique and your your son but also your your charm in talking to whoever you got to be able to walk into a room like literally I’m used to on a regular basis walking into hotel rooms filled with you know 10 some old lady’s maybe 20 or more women from out of town who I’ve never met in my life a lot of them request full nudity you know when you have to be confident that you can walk in there and you don’t know any of them you don’t know who they are you don’t know what they like you don’t know if they’re kinky or not you don’t know if they’re vanilla or if they’re conservative and walk in there and own yet is easier said than done and so I don’t want to I don’t want to mislead people into thinking that I just quit your day job become a dancer and it’s all hunky-dory from there it’s not like breakdown more details about my journey up to the top of mean we’ve talked about it for a few minutes and I’ll be working at a strip club and all that in from their gaining what it takes to really own a crowd but like if you go from working at a post office to working bachelorette parties where your job is to keep large groups of drunk girls entertained you may or may not be any good at it I don’t know why is it that you’re going to have to tell me anything is possible if anything is what am I going to do postal routine show up and be like a package for mr. Simpson what kind of boner in sticker shit right through that hole you put the bow tie man you got to like you know they got it a package to deliver at the music video be a post office worker and let you know bang on the on the fucking house party door and then like you know ladies answer the door and you say like package for mr. Smith and you’re holding you know I can post office thing with like a hole cut out at the bottom where you stick like your shaft through it my God that’s kind of like texted and then but the thing the thing about that is like with any with any costume whether it’s if you want to do like what you’re talkin about be a post office worker if you want to be you know I’ve got my doctor’s outfit I got my pizza delivery guy I’ve got Cowboy have gotten military I’ve got Police SWAT team fucking you name it man you know this isn’t over the years but you always want to make sure that whatever outfit that you’re wearing rips off very easily especially pants especially pans got to get you some custom-made a wreck away pants where make custom will custom full outfits for me but especially the other Breakaway pants are a crucial denominator in any male stripper outfit like okay you’ve you know you could go online and check out you know Magic Mike or or her or Chippendales ripping their pants off where you can be dancing whatever just be shirtless and then rip your pants off in the ladies go crazy if you work that ship well you know but it’s like there’s always a right and a wrong way of doing things and then when it comes to ripping your pants off like I’ve got an it it’s like it’s like being a good comedian and the punchline is that what counts when you rip your pants off that is a punchline and a punch is look what is in your fucking face baby cakes and I don’t know but I’ve been very tempted to wear my Breakaway pants in public some vanilla fucking lazy no-good like a pole or something and be like oh it’s so hot out here I should change into my Speedo velcro going all the way down the scenes of your pants man I’ve had some drag queens they are very very good at making outfits by the way drag queens I can’t say everything good about drag queens because I’ve had some bad stories by God damn it they know how to make a good fucking outfit especially anything that rips off those benches have some elaborate fucking dresses and outfits in leather pants and you know drag queens that you know like all the attitude and character and everything but it rips off in the clubs during their performances now you can hire a drag queen to make a pair of breakaway jeans or cop pants or in my case multiple pairs any any male dancer has to do this so you want to get like multiple pairs of brakeway Pansino different colors I’ve got a pair of you know white pants black pants cop pants Jeans you name it and but it’s got to have velcro going all the way down the side so you can just grab them and a rip and then the ladies go crazy but then afterwards you can be hanging out like after your performance be hanging outside in them up they want to give you a shot or whatever and then you got to Vino RI velcro your pants but them back together and then have to work the ladies Bowl invite me out if I’m not booked for another gig you know we might go bar hopping and I’m still wearing I’m still wearing my rip away pants and I still wear my velcro pants they’re well enough put together that nobody at the bar knows that I’m wearing rip away pants like they look like normal ass jeans and I go bar hopping I just partied up with the lady like partying with the bride in the Bridesmaids and we go to a bar and they all buy me a shot and everything and nobody would suspect it might jeans are literally held together by velcro they’re very well put together so you can tug on then we’ll talk about it section and they won’t fall apart but if you grab from the top adult yeah those work right off you going to have to talk to Dustin about adding that to the erotic superpowers package that the super is super Power Ranger that the superhero a stripper uniform that just rips off you can go in a phone booth you don’t have to go on the phone with and change you just rip it off right there and there you are a man you got your own never I’ve never I’ve never changed a new phone but it before and I had to make like Clark Kent going into Superman or some shit is conveniently at right here on the sidewalk I’m just going to walk in spin around and walk out haha look at me I’m the bad girls in the group has been naughty but that’s how you do that they got to love that that’s amazing wow man review your God damn you’re fucking Tanger pump man we’re going to we’re going to have some good times I can feel it right now so let’s listen to That’s it man I swear to God I’m going to make a good fucking remix for you yes you are larger than life my man and so were all of two people that are listening to this speaking of which hey are we are we live right now where is this is this is this is getting a little bump in your ear but if you don’t work they’ll find you man hopefully they will for listening we’re having a good fucking time just kick back we’re just going to serve some you know raunchy humor random drunk girl debauchery stories and oh boy I don’t know if you if you feel like asking random ass questions like it I can sit here talking about stories and Miguel on for fucking hours and hours this could turn into a 4-Hour fucking podcast and I wouldn’t even scratch the surface of all the shit that’s going on at my performances like he wouldn’t even believe all men so I you know I had since we’re about an hour I think let’s let’s call this one that you know the intro the intro session and then we’ll we’ll get into something to buy tree and a future episode I think this one stands alone to kind of give people a hit of like what they’re missing man seriously everybody’s like missing out I mean this is some seriously this sector of society that that that we don’t we don’t often really honor the seriousness they sort of well I’m giggling about it but then I realized how powerful this is in just a couple days like this should be mad I do plenty and I’ve been giggling myself this whole time I’ve been giggling my ass off talking about this and that not even answering any stories about brides and all the way we should pump stories crazy stories drunk story sexy stories bite stories drug stories whatever okay you don’t want to give him some I don’t want I want I think if we created such a positive image of it I’d like hesitant to want to you know go into it I guess as long as it’s funny you know no one gets hurt or killed then like how about some bloopers Antics debauchery like you no no I mean I don’t I don’t really have any depressing stories when I can sit here and think about it and remember like one is not a depressing job at the fucking rush like it’s hard to give somebody a lap dance and be depressed at the same time or conversely to receive a lap dance and be you know Interiors of her home so fucking said oh look at you sad Mike N B stripping at the same time it’s just like the lapdance is so much better when the stripper is crying I come right in that country song but that has not been my life experience I didn’t see no or female stripper crying during a fucking lap dancer pole dancing it’s it ain’t like that and if you’re going to cry then do it in your own time I mean like she falls in love with you and leaves her bride you know like you’re home you end up being a homewrecker and then he comes after you or something like that as far as this goes like there is I haven’t really experienced that but at the same time I’ve heard plenty of stories that are very similar but at the same time you know we’re talkin about being conscious and being a spawn for the evolution of humanity in society and for women and for men within ourselves for that matter so you know I’ve never had any stories were a woman wants to leave her man for me or wants to do anything that Betsy with this you would otherwise feel guilty about not that I haven’t had offers but like I mentioned earlier like it’s it’s all about feeling into her and then for that matter and being like okay look is certain sexual offers can happen certain things like that can happen things I could otherwise be devastating she might not tell me that she’s got a boyfriend or she’s married but you’ve got to be conscious and awake while you do something like this in unfortunately most exotic dancers I’m not going to say that they’re not awake but they’re not they’re not being at the door at the end of the day instead hundreds hundreds of bachelorette parties look she’s got a fiance she’s about to get married so many so many of my parties where there’s her mom might be right there in the crowd in the room with me her and her grandma like her sister often times like so many times I get booked in like it’s the bride sister that books me and you know she’s there always so cool they’re always super generous and nice and accepting like I’ve never really had any like bad stories with mothers or anything like that but other guys have and other female dancers I’m sure it had some horror stories that are that are along those lines but exactly you have to I guess the ceremony what you do exactly like I can’t just do what I do confidently I have to pull it off with the certain charm that makes everything that is happening at the time okay for everybody who’s in the room words look I mean and I’m sure that men who hire a female dancer can say the same thing to an extent but I think female dancers are less inclined to traumatize a male audience member as a male stripper great power comes great responsibility and there truly is a lot of responsibility that goes into this that you’ve got to be ethical man like a lot of times you know the women are you know they might be doing certain things that might be groping you or me or whatever I mean I’m not really strict about what happens during my show but at the same time I’m still very much in control of what happens especially as far as I’m concerned like you’re not having your way with them or taking advantage of their opportunity like any guy who gets into this industry because he wants to have his way with the women that he dances for will very very quickly and easily be sniffed out and will be eradicated from the industry women or not stupid like women are very very perceptive women can tell if you’re coming from a place of generosity with what you do or if you’re truly just there to to quote scores and pussy or something like when you come in with with with an attitude I’m here because I live to to give these women in Unforgettable experience then that’s what’s going to happen but when you come in like on the prowl so to speak. It’s going to be snipped out pretty quickly and you’re not going to get any good reviews you’re not going to get booked again probably and you may very well get blacklisted you know like I’ve heard plenty of horror stories not to name names of guys who have crossed the line and have raped a lot of women out where look at you can’t last in this industry and be that guy so to speak your natural teacher leader Mentor up in this is like you know I think I could say I honestly right now I’m seeing you like like the Dare program like you are speaking at every high school every High School like in America has you booked on a tour to like do sex ed for teenage boys about K you know you’re coming of age now I’m going to tell you how to be generous and not creepy and don’t be that guy mean easy lessons that everyone needs to learn about the art of partying it’s just like you know people getting tired already and I think it’s their one of the thrash metal part that sounds like a guide to being an exotic dancer the guide to professional partying you’re doing okay I love it that you know as as far as what we started tonight with this conversation I mean this is being recorded and y’all are going to hear this and this is planting the seeds for what could become something like what you’re talkin about like I said earlier like I’ve never gone to the lengths of actually training guys to to be gratifying to women and to give them these crazy experiences which we haven’t even gotten started on in this podcast but who knows but but to be able to do it in such way worth the women not only feel comfortable with it but find it enjoyable exhilarating and and for those that are listening especially the men if you take anything away from this conversation tonight remember this I’m sitting here talking about the male exotic dance industry and being that guy who’s creating those experiences for the women that I dance for and I’m speaking for my own experiences here but hear me out for a second you don’t have to be a professional exotic dancer to create experiences like that for women and conversely for women you know you you can be a free spirit you can create these exhilarating in free and expanding kind of experiences for all the people that you come in contact with you don’t have to be a pro you don’t have to have a network you don’t have to be working with club Owners and promoters and booking agents and photographers to to be that person this something that I was not always sexy I was not always confident I was you know for most of my life I was born and raised in a Christian very conservative very depressed environment that really choked out a lot of what I have to offer the world and it was up to me to awaken that within myself but not to be too cliche with the same but if I can do it anybody can do it but it’s true like in this case like you know not everybody nobody nobody is born in a sex icon or an erotic Rockstar or or a sexual Liberator or anything to that extent what do you want to talk about like this is something that starts within yourself before you think about giving these experiences to anybody you have to start by finding that Liberation within yourself and then from there you can spread that shit yeah to everybody that you interact with mother it’s a goddamn a crowd full of ladies that you dance for or a fucking somebody pick up a stranger today in fucking free their mind in a way that they you know because what what what I do as a professional is I create experiences for women 2 I mean I I create experiences that women have never had before and you don’t have to be a professional exotic dancer to be an experience that men or women have not had before you just have to find it within yourself it’s always been there we all have the power we are all connected We’re All Sons & Daughters of the most high and it’s up to us to to find that within ourselves tonight was a great seed that we planted and it’s only going to germinate from here and spread in you know maybe maybe we’ll do another podcast that gets into all the juicy stories and all that that are connected with this but like for tonight just take this way you don’t have to get into the industry or be a pornstar nothing to be that person like I had to I was forced to grow this energy Within Myself where I was in more of the Doggy Dogg sink or swim get your ass on stage and get naked for everybody and force yourself to learn how to pole dance to entertain everybody and make money otherwise you go broke and you can’t pay your bills but you don’t have to throw yourself into the the Wolfpack so to speak like I did and exotic dancer the porn industry to be that way you can you can like you said work at the post office you can work a goddamn Pizza Hut liberating Force for all the people in the the humanity that you come in contact with everyday you can it all starts within yourself man and from there it just grows and like I said man like beginning of this podcast I didn’t think that I was even going to make the audition dance at a male strip club for some fucking reason whatever possessed the manager to think that I could dance in that I had to tencel apparently I had potential because six and a half years later here I am talking about it yeah like I don’t have to go that route you can do your thing you can be married you can have a girlfriend and be that Force for your partner or not if you’re single like do your thing but you can you can develop at energy that I did within yourself and it just it’ll rock your world and everybody else is you know what is it is it take home thing I’m like okay women have Victoria’s Secret and they you know and we eat there’s this expectation that they’re going to take initiative to you know doll themselves up and get sexy once in awhile and everything but like there’s not really a paradigm or a store or live permission unless you go to Cancun that’s a totally different subculture but just for the average person who is like doesn’t feel like that erotic Rockstar or that erotic superpowers you know having person the new paradigm shifts that are starting to come along I think they like if you’d figure out music that you like to dance to Just Dance and then buy something that you feel sexy and and dance in front of the mirror in the clothes that you feel sexy and and then you don’t bring that to your beloved or you know just cultivate that like I would sit in front of me actually I would just fucking sing and dance to Depeche Mode fucking you know , and he’s like to see this man couple weeks ago and then you gave me those two CDs of yours okay as soon as I got back to my hometown in Nashville and I got back from San Diego I put one of your CDs I believe it was cancer delic X orgasm dude before Depeche Mode Man start with pan torque on dude I listen to your CD and I swear to God like your music you can fucking you can fuck to that you can you can get tantric to that like I could I could listen to that and I could like it’s not the kind of music that I would rock out at a bachelorette party but I could and I could rock out on stage and pole dance to that kind of music and spitfire like I did in my early days of your kind of music I could we haven’t we haven’t gotten started on any of my stories you have done S&M sets onstage I was a Spitfire I’ve done this the fucking pains while I’m spinning around upside down on the pole with the fucking pains and shit going everywhere that God damn strobe lights in the Smoke machines and everything and try try doing that less than sober and you know why I’m up to the top of the pole where you can literally touch the ceiling like 30 feet up in the air you know flip upside down and you know he’s going everywhere in front of butt ass naked in front of you know 100 some-odd people and go from being her that I was you know that I started off as to that a week for those kind words and I think we’re both kind of like you know I’ve come a long way and let you know what it was what I’m saying about the Depeche Mode thing is like I built the confidence to develop my own singing voice and learn how to produce tracks and just do it all on my own because I would stance in front of the mirror naked rub fucking sesame oil on myself and like you know get really Central and basically take yourself on a date in like rock your own fucking body and your own scism to your own music that you like and then unlike worse to be reckoned with and if you if you drop on you know what a lot of gas you know like like I said before that’s the that’s something that you started yourself that’s something that anybody could start whether it’s Depeche Mode it’s goddamn you know I started off dancing to two Nine Inch Nails in a Rob Zombie and stuff like that you know Korn Freak on a Leash and lots of remixes to that and then since then created my own very professional series of different playlist that I dance to but yeah I mean look at it starts whether it’s whatever you feel sexiest in the most comfortable in and from there like considered a gift man like so many guys in so many girls have such low self-esteem that y’all y’all need to start reviewing yourself as a gift like what you have to offer is your fucking shit man like you got you got to learn how to cultivate that whether it’s erotic movement and motion to the music or whether it’s just a Persona or a presents like this can be a gift that you give to your next partner not even a partner just your next door neighbor like just by your presence just by the way that you make eye contact and say Hi how are you it’s so good to see you today you can carry that same presents that you cultivate through the naked dancing like you were talking about in front of the mirror and carry that energy within yourself that’s a whole nother topic on ways to get into that that’s all getting into the esoteric tantric and of course you and I could go on and on for hours and we’re both on students as far as being an exotic dancer goes absolutely yeah I mean like it’s all about and like I was mentioning before being a DJ I’ve learned as a DJ within that short. Of time that I’ve been doing this how to how to cultivate that energy and spread it whether it’s being a dancer whether it’s being a DJ and just consider it a gift man whether you go to The Burning Man festivals and give of yourself there whether you go to a party whether you Just Dance for your wife or girlfriend boyfriend and if you don’t even dance in front of somebody if you just learn how to cultivate that that energy just said orgasmic juicy delicious just give that you can work you could be a cashier and just welcome to Goodburger home of the Goodburger can I take your order God damn you got them tasty energy your you’re beautiful and it just ends right there you know you’re in love with life and love with yourself and absolutely amazing conversation I’m very glad that you won’t get to listen to this I don’t know if I don’t know if fucking two people are going to listen to this thing tonight or if we’re going to have a million 10 times the world’s population over goddamn Dick Cheney’s going to listen to this is going to be some bride that I dance for like 10 years ago and some random ass old dude that’s all I got a crush on me like that’s all thank you all for listening I hope that you will take this with you fucking listen listen to the shit that I was talking about man like you don’t have to be a professional to to offer what I have to offer just cultivated and give it man like it’s just going to evolve Man worth spreading Evolution right now these are the seeds of change this is the beginning of the paradigm shift and we are the fucking 99% the fucking hundred monkey finger whatever works were just making motherfukers grow and that’s a beautiful thing and thank you so much pain we will be in touch very soon blessings and California thank you all for listening Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episode if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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We Demand Shamanic Pornography TPP54

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tpp-54-pic In this episode I’m joined by M.F.P. and we discuss the need for a shamanic revolution in the porn industry. I read my press release introducing a new “shamanic porn” genre starting with the recent release of the Tantradelic Exorgasm music video.

I break down the meaning behind the title and lyrics of the track and I provide an intensive intro to sexual and psychedelic shamanology.