For a conversation about what she’s been up to of late, her new insights into male sexual continence and energy cultivation, her thoughts on sex workers’ empowerment, her upcoming retreat, and much more!
Reverend Priestess Sandivel, best known as iX-Chel Sandivel, is an intimacy mentor and guide. An Elite Tantra Educator and former Nike Elite Sponsored Runner, she was born in Mexico City and raised in Southern California. She is passionate about creating safe and expansive experiences that allow the human spirit to evolve with ecstatic awareness, confidence and self-love through her mentorship programs, personalized retreats in the tropical jungles of Mexico and playshop events all over the world.
Though movement practices, cultural experience, tantric breathing techniques and ceremonies, Sandivel supports others to discover a profound, ever lasting and orgasmic love within.
In this episode I’m joined again by long time friend and brother from the heart of the d-i-y punk scene Craig Lewis for a update on his adventures in travel, personal growth, recovery, mental health justice, spirituality, sexuality, and much more.
There are many profound spiritual truths and gems of sacred wisdom shared. I’m always deeply reaffirmed that our shared deep roots in the ethics and spirit of resistance from the punk rock movement have kept us motivated to fight the good fight and love the good love. It’s invigorating to catch up with Craig and compare notes as we push ourselves ever forward towards our own evolving definitions of what it means to be spiritual warriors.
Craig Lewis is a rebel and he chooses to live his life built on a foundation of gratitude, peace, love, kindness, spirituality, accountability, honor, forgiveness and acceptance. He is currently living in a mountain in Mexico, seeking truth, healing and connection. Without question, Craig continues to rise ever higher on his mission to be the living proof to all, that surviving the impossible, is entirely possible.
Craig recently published his book ‘Better Days’ in Finnish, Dutch, Spanish, Tagalog and Thai, with several new translations on the way including Kiswahili and Italian. Find out about his many books, posters and more here: Sanityisafulltimejob.org (under construction) and also via email.
Craig actively trains mental health workers, educators, people in recovery (and all interested people) throughout the world and is excited about benefiting your organizations and the lives of all via his experience, wisdom and fearlessness.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello David Lebovitz welcome to Township on podcast episode number 214 will be getting some major updates from our international Man of Mystery been on the show a few times before Craig Lewis you said old friends are going back many years in the anarcho-punks seen in the more radical conscious seen and he is standing in the world of pure support and mental health and really growing and transcending beyond the the system’s way of administering public policy around mental health and really taking the power back and using a DIY Spirit to do so and last time or what we’ve been since we’ve talked last I know a lot of Adventures have unfolded and and a lot of Mystique and a lot of intrigue so with all that said Craig take it away. What’s been going on with new oh my god brother it’s been I think the last time we spoke was in February to do to do a proper the discussion like this was in February of last year so it’s like I don’t know if 15 months are 16 months ago if I’m not mistaken yeah so yeah man yeah it’s been one heck of a crazy wild ride and I now live in a mountain I am in the south of Mexico and I am in a place it’s a bit hard to get you unless you have any intention to go there you make a plan and I have an apartment I got a place to live that’s affordable and I have a terrorist live off the plants and the mountains all around and hunting birds and cats that visit and live with me I don’t think the language and I’m learning and I’m just for the first time for lots of reasons this finding some sort of I don’t know how to describe it some sort of acceptance of the rationality of everything and finally some sodas thanks and all of it to be able to be in the moment and take that and transform into whatever this I dream about and end desire in a nutshell that’s where I’m at this is awesome and you sound better than ever and I know you’ve been through so much some intense inner struggles and external struggles and now to be at that place of peace and sounds like relative kind of resolution to to be posted up somewhere and then I actually have this is something I’m really fascinated in which is the economics of being a traveler in the in the modern age in the sort of how you can are you figuring out ways to economize with your resources and find ways to make your money last longer by being posting up on your travels places where you can just kind of make it stretch and last longer when can you get into some of the economics of that of that way of life cuz it’s very fascinating to me I’d love to do more traveling myself oh yeah I will check this out, man it’s a freaking disaster III what economics are we speaking of like it’s funny I landed here with a backpack okay I I had a little bit of money to just place to get a house and I’ve been like it’s been a very challenging experience to find some sort of sense of any sort of like this world episodes like some sort of solid foundation on a music and this whole crazy like a year-and-a-half will plus I like all over the world husband Ace Financial how do I describe it I don’t have like a mighty long time ago this is been like I don’t want to I do want to break up Bon Jovi cuz this is been like what we would that when they would sing in 1986 this is what they called living on his neck no other way to describe it because that’s exactly what I know to be true but so this is all crazy like how do you live how do you survive how do they make this happen I don’t think I had a choice and I think the only way I was going to heal and I get to the next place in my life to get to the next place to get to the next place what’s the not know what the heck I was doing and just trust that I did letting you know you know me I give like the roundabout Circle answer that’s like the opposite of the answer you’re seeking or the or the S you would expect or anticipate the question but that’s what you get for me so that’s my answer brother what actually did I half expected something like that where it was more I can see the strategy and being uncertainty Jake and the spontaneity of going where the wind blows you know and in following just moment-to-moment that’s that’s the dream I mean that’s the most Freedom you could ever have is to not be bound to even your own plans of your own expectations of anything in and just really trust a if I’m blessed then I’ll get fed and in Shelter tonight and if I’m not then I’ll have to wonder why with the empty stomach on the cold side park somewhere a man and I don’t like that empty stomach and I also want to just briefly go back a second before I go forward the moment I said that the answer that you were expecting I knew that was the incorrect thing to say and I immediately followed by saying the opposite because I knew that you’re not expecting that it’s like this like comfortable thing that we do when we’re communicating we make use of something that we put into the conversation but actually that’s bullshit you are understanding me more than most people would so thank you yeah crazy life man this whole reality is just you can live and people will see your heart and don’t understand that the language or how you look or you come from or any of these things they don’t matter what matters is that you can communicate from what is truly what they knew in your heart that they will see that and they will accept that and that’ll bring you the protection on the help and the loves and that everything that you need for real I love a man yeah that does that leaves Faith conduct actually reminds me something funny why I say this with all due respect cuz this fellow is one of my dear friends and we’ve sent drifted apart but but we used to be tight Bros and it was funny in a way because he came from a way more stable family and had he works really hard to be an overachiever and I watched him work harder than anybody so I don’t say that he was like a born with a silver spoon in his mouth or whatever he wasn’t he was privileged but he also was pushed to to Really develop himself but she did all the extracurricular activities and did the honours and did all this crazy prep work and and and built himself up so that he could be ivy league material to go to college and then he’d end up finding a program at a state college or State University that that he was happy with and we know I’m happy with location happy with the programming cetera and I me I dropped out literally in sixth grade was in and out of rehab and got maybe another couple of former formal semesters of high school and then dropped out again after that and then I a couple years later I got a GED and then we both end up starting at the same State University together at the same the same time and I had that been the complete antithesis of the discipline and academic rigor that he put in and we both started the same place even though we had to come about it until we different ways but I also was getting straight A’s and was dedicated so I think this is just you know that all that is to say there’s people who are rich and unhappy and don’t know what to do themselves and they’re throwing all kinds of money away and all kinds of drugs and experiences and you’re going at this is international expiration with you’re surrendering to a to the Divine forces that are guiding your your your destiny and that and I’m always impressed I’m always jealous Pac-Man you ear like living it up with the fuck all you got to do and I’m going out there listening who wants to know how to how to do it on doing are you going to do like why am I crazy like I thought I thought I had and this is the opposite of what I however I should I should restate that live your dreams like to be free to live their dreams you have to have like the Living Like Blood Parts select thing beating out of you and you have to take it and learn how to take it standing up and then smile and how does a gold medal physical and emotional heart function but for some reason on Earth why don’t you just finish it down was it yesterday in the morning and you say because I want to know of a solution and all you got is like you and Siri are you going to still that hard up with something of beauty they’re going to just like let it become like like Houston broken and like crap the pieces like a kisses ceramic that shatters and so many ways that you can’t apply the consumer D art form to like naked better to make it more gorgeous from before I don’t want to let it get to that man in so I didn’t it shows different that’s all you can do right on Manuel what does I think that’s a good sort of just catching up with bed and instead of setting the tone butt so tell me what what have you what are some of the the you’ve been through some nightmare scenarios give us some adventurous kind of thrilling updates on the record and say cuz we are because I don’t say it just lost my mind National way for me or anyone in a kind of situations that I found myself in such as being normal and that’s remember I did it start out normal normal I need to really not know what with all those pills in the nozzle Octonauts and not normal shit was it normal that had that brain injury was it normal that everything went crazy wasn’t normal so here I am like at the base of my life or the beginning of my new life not normal and so like I’m just so freaking proud of myself then I’m alive in Christ figure it out somehow that it was okay to be fucked up in the eyes of others that it was okay to like cars had your relationships and your familial connections and your volume note to Garrison in old friends and colleagues at all if that is okay. Burnt to the ground that it doesn’t actually matter I took to stick around that that and I can’t believe you this is just a process like a moment to moment. This is hard to do the Okemos but I decided to be okay with it cuz I like the sound of that word okayness like okay I want to see I don’t want this palatable how to build in my life just want to go to handle something because well it’s not great but thanks for that you know that okayness and dust you choose to be so all this shit this happened man I can admit that I know that some of it looks real wild and it looks one way and it could be another we live in a reality where we look at the freaking news in the United States obviously something is wrong in society is this also confused and 504 West so you know what I got it I got to stay right there you you have just stumbled upon a masterful mine hack and I am seeing from the outside Dimension as you’re saying but basically what you just described is that we live and we live in this world where the ships hitting the fan and there’s a lack of people feeling a sense of okay now and I really feel like we need to become more comfortable with with all week and we need to deal with our shit so we can feel the Okemos if you catch my drift I catch your drift Iko something’s been plaguing me on the inside because through the process I got it I want to admit it putting you and everyone in that everyone if you are not including everyone that’s a funny thing you know why cuz I respect the heck out of you and I’ve been like it’s been such a long exhausting journey of knowing you that for me is included me being embarrassed and people mixed with you who I just noticed this man was like surviving so much better than me and I keep coming this beautiful human being that I only dreamed like 3 years ago or whatever we got to reconnecting and I am pathetic and somehow believe I have you feel like we’re on the same level of me I mean I have nothing but but like respect for you by Prince you’ve accomplished so much and you’ve accomplished things that I am still still dreaming about accomplishing so it’s it’s a mutual you know Mutual sensitive of respect and admiration man it’s always so it’s the way it should be mad it’s like to skateboard is trying to learn learn new tricks together you know thank you man and thank you and the reason why I came I was about to say what I’m about to say this because the process of the journey this is bent for me is not just included me it’s included lots of other people sung by choice and then probably just a son who just ended up in the crossfire of my life because of other reasons that they may may may not have been aware of or been aware of their participation and and and it’s not okay to not swear on the show oh my God they say it’s because because I hurt all the time give a presentation on anyways and so that’s kind of what kind of what works for me man and his wife said that like cuz I look up to you as somebody who has just like refining for himself and it’s showing the whole world like this is what it looks like to be in a process of yourself and be better with better and better and better I was like my God I could never be anywhere near the degree of what are some sleep when you go through the process of becoming you when you’re like burns down and you don’t know what to do in the fall Society is his his his either confused with you you’re a huge mistake the doctor that’s a Schism you just get into situations that could be desperate and you might not know that you’re desperately might not know you getting into you might not know it’s going to happen next cuz how could you and then you get into this situation where you get into things with people with money and then Todd relationship stuff cuz I was like a weird dude already have to learn how to be like in today and all this crazy shit that I don’t know about your kid and like you’re always conduct yourself in the way that you wish and I wish you felt embarrassed that like this like how did you get here like one of these crazy stories amazing stories that I want to share with you a few but it wouldn’t be fair to me to the universe who knows me and watches this happen at the end of my reality who was the recipient or have experienced just knowing somebody in whatever way when they go into the burning down with your going through the process of Awakening that’s an ugly and painful and frankly does a lot of people who got caught up in that and I would every day with the with trying to like become more pure knowing how screwed up things worth time and knowing that your casualties to getting to a better place and that’s just a preface if you will to talk and but all the good cuz frankly like recently somebody had posted something online in response to something I’d written and they said they dude guy Craig I was like yeah really you ask cuz this wasn’t for me I’m in the process of doing fasting from social media and the more I take a step back from it the less I want to return back into that that mine state and f deleted some accounts I’ve just taken some apps off my phone Note sometimes I bring them back or not but I know a lot of the frenzy that you would get sucked into with trolling and drama online at school it’s Way Beyond normal human capacity to have any level of that kind of interaction and so I think everybody got everybody’s got taken for a ride and I think there’s only a few people who who. So I just burnt out but but really Purge that that toxic soup of emotions that comes from being in that frenzy and actually has the wherewithal to create distance so I’m wondering I mean you wrote the book on on peer supported mental health and now it seems like you’re going to have to write a book all about how to either navigate or avoid or moderate social media right wow the funny thing is that a you’re right about the social-media thing dude I want to write letters I think I love the fact that we can communicate and all this shit then it is just destructive Beyond any any you or you do understand cuz we’re taking the brakes and destructive Beyond any capacity that I have to use to find a better word with my. If I may say so Larry man like I totally feel that makes think about it it’s not constructive most the time when you’re not dealing with people who have skin in the game to a point where they feel like they’re they have to be accountable to not overdo insults and overdue criticisms it’s like if you were a tribe living together and you knew everybody everybody knew each other since birth and everybody was mutually interdependent for survival then you would have restraint when it comes to the extent of abuse that you would tolerate that you were perpetuate but when you’re totally disconnected then you have no skin in the game for survival with you with a group of people it is literally the most unconstructive way to process emotions information actual important social issues and Community issues that come up so please man yeah go out let’s just open that can of worms and laments profusely about that I think people need to get some that shaking out of that Paradigm will be well I think it’s constructive thing to do with all this beat it because there’s so many to choose from in my in my soda. I was thinking about that you asked me to write a book about social media like crazy out-of-control the truth is always some truth behind what’s going on that’s funny or not funny or not is that this really happens I like a guy ask you know if I hear you perfect out of control destructive I wish you could see right now and if you like like lights flashing I’m actually having my hands in the air like I am the king of the awful idle control crazy person public meltdown we shouldn’t be who I am today if I celebrate that ships the best baby should be a book or went to learn how to not do what I did cuz maybe my way is not the right way for everyone but the reality also is the Crux of all that is that the freaking internet and that social media chaos that I was unprepared for is it crazy person adult trying to find his way that was destructive they probably not just for me probably thousands of people or more out there who taught Derek distances that collapsed because they didn’t know how to manage cuz how could you learn if you didn’t know how yeah that is so Insidious it just creeps up and with so many things now I mean that it’s it’s cliche to talk about how the dystopian sci-fi of the 1980s which was what really Prime me for being prepared to deal with this time and being a warrior in this time and it digital Warrior and I still despite that training of of being skeptical of corporate fascist media Empires and what not I I live drink of plenty of their Kool-Aid and now I’m really thinking about how much I’ve leaked about my interests my desires that people who have wanted to be involved with romantically and the processes of all that stuff is basically being molested by those social media Giants and and I’m glad that I did not take it to the extreme to let people do which is actually like a lot of negativity and a lot of drama and a lot of accusations and yeah I feel like there’s a state of grace that is refusing to to participate in that in that should have been punk rock an Arco pump DIY 101 I mean we were always rebelling against the mainstream and back then it was the mainstream media and it was the one directional media of of the power elite news organizations and there was ziens and I like the way that social networks online could be decentralised but there was it there was actually an addict his backbone to that where it was people who were peer-to-peer building forums and building networks in chat rooms that were they weren’t being puppeteered by these these forces that are really there to serve the state ultimately to Amy so ever you want to talk about just let us bring this back to it to who we really are a man as like as anarcho-punks who were trained to think critically about technology and about corporate Fascism and the mainstream and then watching and watching ourselves get sucked into it watching other people get seduced and sucked into it and like how do we resist how do we repeal and fucking in Break Free then yeah yeah I respect you all Whenever there were born okay and basically what this comes down to is the difference between a fanzine and a Zine so we grew up grew up in this like reality where your existence fish eat that text that need within your soul and your spirit your heart to have an understanding to connect with the world in a way that brought you the feeling of like you belong that you were part of something that mattered that was what we call fancy right if you want to like try to give a little bit of a I don’t have described it with the word is a metaphor I don’t know when there’s also looks like her internet and then I just went over that and then it’s not meant to or with your is a 2018 something like that it is the difference cuz in the context of social media excetera that. That’s a defined difference between when you are living in an era an era where you haven’t desperation that is coming from this blooming devastating oppression that I have a sense about cuz we know as opposed to living in an era in a society where you yourself are being basically programs and I’m not trying to talk about some sort of like cuz we don’t we can’t see it happening is happening in Plainview people to be trained to be a certain way so that’s why you were programmed to almost beat our own enemy and what we were going up with back in the day and I’m just going to help my do by David Guetta in the late 1980s I’m not going to beat around the bush here about that it was different we tried to communicate and understand and learn and educate and Shear in very different ways that did teach us a way to be in the world that I’m certain you will agree allowed us now we have success as I’d like free people quote the same doing and be because we’ve learned in in times in through methods that were popular then and almost unheard-of now up the punx to that brother yeah man it’s funny cuz this whole thing about fake news it’s like back in my day was all fake news what he’s talking about like you wouldn’t trust any new source anyway and there it is just as weird commingling now everybody being sucked into the Demi celebrity trip to of of the the platforms that make you yawn I’m I’m kind of in recovery from from drinking the Kool-Aid to man sex you want to keep up with it that we were ejected all that and anyway I don’t want to get hung up on that on that topic but I know that a lot of the suffering that you have disclosed to me privately comes from just being Dogpile on the internet you know yeah it’s because I started get rid of all those people where they got rid of me or with mutual or it wasn’t but either way it happens does it is disconnected people don’t make you feel good and just I just it’s Ash and it that have to happen if I feel personal about anything I ever did cuz I did was like face reality here but not always been an easy field person and that I had to use I have to push people away because of my own craziness and Highway but nonetheless coming to bite my tongue well yeah sounds like you have a healthy sense of taking responsibility for things as one thing I love talking about is if there’s no there’s no bifurcation really in your personality you know you are who you are and you don’t the candy coat that very often sounds like for people to get in love it or leave it for one moment I want to make a statement here at that you’ll agree it’s okay I’m completely I’m completely nuts and I’m definitely if you can put this in quotes but I mean I propose cuz it’s I think it’s a great courses true and in quotes right here I’m good crazy I think for the first time in my life like yeah so what I know this is a bit crazy like I can look so what about yesterday right now and tomorrow and the next day I could just make more good crazy happen I’m so sick and tired of that crazy and I could learn to hold burning down of everything so I could get rid of that bad crazy what do I do whatever I have to do including and a much to the weather for next to the disdain for the right word but it’s good enough I come from it with truth which makes it pretty hard core but also I’m doing it because I don’t want to have it be an issue anymore so that’s craziness go out of control on the internet and then have a V8 if you will occur Abernethy Bridge with some that is very necessary if you need to heal then so be it but I’m also purifying so deep deep traumatic abuse that I experienced and if I’m not going to have a really group of participants or people in my life is one of his old stuff it’s still going to come out and I sure as heck ain’t going to end my life because our or go crazy in a way that’s going to get me locked up in a bad way Lawrence OB I’m going to put my shit out there I’m going to speak the truth and I’m going to let let that be how people figure out what’s up what’s not what matters and what doesn’t button in no way shape or form do I do any of this because I want to it’s because healing comes from getting out of your system to things that aren’t making you feel toxic and that can include interpersonal stuff you can food a thousand different things and I and not going to be silent if being sounds will keep me sick so speaking truth whether its preferred welcomed or not it is actually putting an end to the hurt and that that does also result in and include who serving of ties with many sometimes it’s unfortunately intentional but who matters here for me more than me just like anyone anyone else is the matter for them most at first you need to matter to themselves first and then most importantly so that’s life and I’d rather just choose the most Ford and let the let the heck’s come because the more I get hit the more I’m sure I’ll Never Smile act like its neck and that right there I believe that everyone else had the world to learn how to do and it’s Graham said out of would never put this on lips Alston and Lasting here sorry I go on and on I’m not sorry actually grateful for that time the more people learn the Dakin’s like punched and kicked their way out of the traps that they feel themselves and that doesn’t mean that’s because if it’s a whole process of getting yourself to where you need to be I want everyone to know that everyone can do that it’s going to suck but if I can do this in a Hertz at continuing low I mean living evidence that you can continue to land on your feet than everyone else can too and I don’t care for what I have to say you can do to go live your life and do the best you can be in frankly that’s what I’m doing so fuck off but still please do your thing so you can have everything that I’m going to yeah that was a time and experience as each day goes forward to live in that happiness cuz I want it and you can have the same thing so like fuck I’ll see you later come on back whatever but piece that sounds good man well I know some people who were listening to same I feel kind of lost on what what it is what kind of dancing around here if you don’t know how I know you know you can obviously be as candid or as reserved as you’d like but I feel like it is I would say correct me if I’m wrong but in a broad sense you you stood up to seven justices in the world and that kind of cause the shitstorm of not okayness that week but you prevailed your okayness prevailed over there not okay Miss in the midst of a shitstorm online and not just on its just oh my God can you break that down for us to whatever extent you know isn’t they’re breaching confidentiality or probably not actually not in jeopardy. The funny thing check it out how about I have the moment there who doesn’t you think you have to do when you produce this thing later that they released you have to just two levels and now you know you might take a note oh my God yeah man and just try to keep it brief cuz I can’t be a maniac about this I got to try to come best light for my good for yours in the whole world that you’re you’re Mania Mania Maniac don’t know what was basically I got freaking screwed for doing my job and it’s okay I went to work I was working as a mental health worker I loved what I did and he might stem from the first report back to the Survivor background I was trained and frankly Grant I’m glad it all happened because I couldn’t I don’t have a day job working someplace and having a bad Vibe by the rules of the system which ultimately dictate working in another house feel like I was I was working at this mental health place that was running all about people live experience week we’re all certified peer specialist I love what I did and was your place different part of the state but I buy a new company little did I know that the guy I was working with what’s the sticker McDonald’s scary misogynist I wasn’t familiar with like that degree of creepiest and I was also supposed to be professional and I was getting paid and I had to work another place you working at the mental health worker you have to adhere to certain rules and guidelines of course cuz if you don’t I’ll call Nicole borders new teachers Nursery School teachers in a kindergarten doctors excetera East you have you aware of abuse of a person or in your care if you will or but you have suspicions of it which is also legitimate your required by law in laws law whatever you can take it or leave it what lies you believe in cuz look in the United States right now it’s crazy how ever this is something that we all hold true when you working in the in the human services are helping professions that said it was my requirements that I had no choice to make a report because there was a situation that just frankly was as it turned out was bad this is not an acceptable thing for some people that I expose this in a series of extremely disgusting things occurred and I ended up looking like the bad guy and they really made this The Narrative we will and papers well and ultimately they found out that the report I made was true they found out to the guy that I’ve reported was documented by independent clinicians Adams facility that didn’t work for a company contract in this pretty I’m kind of providers giving groups support groups and then they knew because my report was the same as theirs and they never put it to the facility that my report was already known so they knew they had a guy in there who was behaving a predatory waste for months for two months then he got caught again but but other people who documented the sexualised behaviour and once they had found out that my report was true of any of the guy who is the supervisor my supervisor without telling anybody. Even the assistant director of the HR Director secretly after I didn’t report and it put it back into the same place where I’ve reported what he was doing then he got caught again twice too much later I feel like I’m describing once they had knowledge that I was telling the truth well that wasn’t acceptable and that was the end was me as I knew it was the end of my career as I knew it it was the end of everything I knew and this is during the same time. That after 28 years of my life being intentionally harmed by psychiatric medication for the purpose of keeping me quite I was able to get off of all this I cash medications in fact with the insistence of a team that’s more than one psychiatrist insisting that it was a medication making me sick and they need to take all the diagnosis on my file and the whole nine yards man 20 years of my life on a bunch of bulshit give him his pills and you need sick many everyone throughout my life experience 28 years I mean tonight to you need when I met you in person at all the crazy thing happened at that show moving forward but this is all under the clown under the fog of psychiatric pills that were given to me to shut me out to keep me quiet about Happy with a child adapt a bunch of psychiatrist now when that time. Ike 2008 1314 look at my medical documents and look at me and look at the book I can read and look at how everything does not make sense and say you don’t have these conditions that you’ve been medicated for all your life that it was known you for 28 years as a person drugged you need to go out these pills cuz they are making you sick you’ll never have a chance to have a better life to continue to take the pill this is being sent to me of yet by psychiatrist is it we’re changing what your diagnosis on your medical record you do not have these conditions and I went and I saw my primary care physician in the file and right there just as they said debunks debunk ebox trauma course the charm is there cuz well that’s what happens if you 20 years to be confused this thing with the job is happening at the same time. That I’m getting off these pills and I’ve gone to heels with vinegar text mountain people that my community are angry at me also just left me for side of my job and then I go to Europe for the first time the person I was traveling with to give a presentation a t a take a conference I first time ever going to Europe dream come true after that conference I went into a sauna and Upsala I managed to me within 10 minutes my body had had basically detox rapidly and from it within the fat cells in my body after 20 years of taking psychiatric medication like tearing off the doctors help I did Poison myself in Riga Latvia and I was never the same since I started to slur my words and I was fried more more crazy stuff happen ultimately with all resulted from this is that I lost my home in January 2018 that’s my cat January 2018 I already lost most of my friends call these people thought I was crazy I got into Financial stuff also get social things like most my friendships are getting more and more the tax I lost a bunch of my personal stuff and most people like it truly care about and I still do you know what a live with no real idea what I’m going to do to try to listen to travel the world and find a way to create a new life find a way to connect with other people to find a way to Love by the way to connect by the way I create a new business and Nueva to survive using the foci are offered in different languages and also the English language like you crying and Kosovo you know it Poland and and giving presentations are in and talk circles in in in in you name it healing from trauma healing from abuse how to survive being possible he has been crazy sometimes I misunderstood all the time trying to learn how to be because I never learned as a child I never had a coming-of-age I was drugged for 14 on to all the cells have the same time I totally feel comfortable in my own country I don’t think I can work this is presents about me just like it’s like psychosis around me that like this guy why was he sick while he was mentally sick of these other word but in fact maybe I was drugged how can you explain to somebody week like that wasn’t you it wasn’t me but it looks like you sounds like you I can’t quite I said the pills pills were what were making me so fucked up or how am I supposed to know the difference your right respect all I can do is say you’re right you experience that crazy shit with me and that was real few doesn’t matter if it wasn’t me it was because of I was poisoned for my own good of course that’s what happened so I can only say goodbye and I can’t change that to this is the reality the past four years is always have these things happening in the world disconnected from people from people that have no more going to call ain’t going to call anybody you know is going to pick up that’s how do you find whis when you don’t feel comfortable in your own land cuz you your language is English it’s a dominant language in the world and and you’re a guy easy to just try to reconnect after all these years of chaos you supposed to be a certain weight verifications of you you can escape to past so what are you do what did I do what the heck out of there as I said travel the world very difficult very painful very lonely very hard very beautiful and in that 15 months how do they communicate with people with languages that we do not share what do you do how do you find your weight you can’t just go crazy like I did in a couple years was the way somewhere West getting killed in the airport in Paris I lost my shit you can’t do that you have to learn how to connect on a spiritual level that you can’t communicate people will know your energy just like a cat or a dog you can’t let them experience you went away that you’re going to be repelled by how you learn how to do that how do you learn that’s what you learned and that’s what the story that’s what the backstory is the backstory is a story it’s like five or six what’s it like in your own way with wreck somebody happening at the same time and just by the grace of whatever it is you believe I resulted it was Ulta didn’t me finally getting to the point of saying screw it almost going to go live why can Liz get a Visa they did and take a little money had and get a a place that was furnished and so I did and how I live in a community and I need some friends and that’s the story that’s that’s what you’re asking me it’s like a 15 minute monologue but that’s what the story is it should make enough sense of all this meat is missing tons of pieces that music house ugliness lost torture resulted and be speaking about all we have prior to keep me answering the question if it was up to them that being a store that I can talk about with a smile and with some sort of like humor because I know what resulted in like where I’m at now thank you so what is the advice you have for people who are whistleblowing in organizations where it sounds like sounds like you were is a recipe for disaster in that because anyone could say that your credibility under those circumstances everybody in a situation is the pot calling the kettle black and in a sense so for people who are direct me totally just a source of your strength to overcome oh my God it was it wrecked me I can’t believe them alive direct me so much that I’m laughing about it because it’s like well at the very least it’s always warm here like every piece of shit wasn’t nice to me back in Massachusetts I guess what in the winter you going to pay for that heat and for those of you out there who struggle so I don’t have to deal with that anymore thank you thank you I could have stand I’m coming around to this myself which is that I feel like there is there was a time where I felt like I had to go out there and I had to add jatate and and have a high risk tolerance and a high risk appetite for being involved in the potential for liability of the potential for things sort of backfiring it in in in in doing my work and now I feel like I survived some pretty epic chapters of risk and now I’m finding myself more risk-averse and less risk tolerant and wanting and actually being able to say no but I’d rather not put myself at risk by not that I’m totally disengaging from everything but I will say that that the the duty that I felt I had to be out there in the mix of a lot of chaos I don’t feel that that I feel like I I slay that Dragon I slay those demons and and I can live with myself comfortably not feeling like a coward and not feeling like I was avoiding those those efforts and I wondering if you feel now and it is something that make people can resonate with that they can learn powers that you know you don’t have to fight every battle you can choose your battles as long as you fight some battles and even if you don’t win you survive but you know you did what was right you don’t have to keep doing that forever and you can get yourself the fuck out and go and retire from The Madness of fighting a lot of struggles where it’s a losing battle sometimes and you can just enjoy the face so you know live to fight another day you know you know they say Don’t run you can run away and live to fight another day or you could stay in a place that you’re not going to get out of one piece nnn regret it so I don’t know just want to say that I congratulate you for for doing the right thing and then getting a fuck out of there before you did actually get completely destroyed you know yet well you know what me and your trusty Craig motherfuking Lewis you know that’s what happens when your trusty Craig fucking crazy person Louis I just don’t need that to be sampled probably just got myself some was going to have fun with me with that but that’s okay it doesn’t have a certain that what was the question Bedford just let me be me to take two more of a general commentary and sense of wanting to see the bigger picture which is that sometimes I guess I was seeing if I feel the same way about the politics of insurrectionary Street protests and you put yourself out there and you put yourself in a meat grinder lot of people do and they end up in really serious trouble that they didn’t bargain for that it’s not really sustainable certain forms of resistance are not really sustainable there’s new waves of of people who are going to come up into that but you have to know when to win to what’s the country song what’s the country song when you know how to hold them oh my God yeah it is you don’t talk about anything yeah yeah quit while you’re ahead and I was going to quit while I was ahead I should have just never done shit about the so I made a decision take out the stand on my two feet and stand up when I knew was true and for what I knew was the correct thing to do and to what someone ever did for me when I was 15 years old and then that horrible facility being feminized and section leak destroyed and and and humiliated and have a whole life taken when I was 15 in those two so they locked me up in just got too many times I had no way weather right I didn’t even know if I believe in the Universal God whatever they want to call it if I want to call it whenever I look to you for my my my my my my peace I didn’t know dude in 2015 that’s what I was doing that was a sending that to a better place cuz of what all I was experienced by me throughout my life but there was no way there was no way any any shape or form that I was going to permit and using my legally-protected role as a mandated reporter there was no way I was going to permit what I was witnessing happening in front of me to people who were the victim of assault and simple ways I was when I was a kid and when I was a kid I asked for help and no one helped me I would love to rot and take it there was no way and 2015 that I was going to break from my responsibilities and I just didn’t legal responsibility responsibility responsibility but the opportunity to make sure using my power that I had been given by becoming certified to work in the role of I had been working in there was no way I was going to go to deviate from that there was no way I was going helping that individual with a moment of peace when I was not afforded the very same thing that I deserve as much as everyone who’s ever been a situation like that woman was deserved and I stood in my two feet and I would do the same thing right now again because it was the right thing to do and I will always go to look myself in the mirror and a camera and whatever I never that was right now looking forward to move on and it doesn’t matter that like I got crushed in the process and it come on how many people are going to listen to this I thought his back but I want to hear about like awesome stuff like so what like what kind of fool of myself are so funny and it’s true what kind of fool thinks it’s a good idea business right now you all know them for one important reason it is important as a valid and it’s to be honored and respected but it does not mean you should do business-to-business okay and you don’t do people like yourself what’s a crazy people that word with deep affection Love because as professionally as I previously identified I want to be good crazy so maybe good crazy so that’s where I go to stay However maybe not everyone’s good crazy maybe I’ve not always been good crazy not truth what a terrible idea to work intimately with people cool ultimately it’s true cuz he went to humans ultimately it will save their own skin for doing the right thing because not everybody is not their fault it’s the reality is reality. Everybody grows up with like a street addict or knowing how it is to be closer to the bottom and I fortunately or unfortunately I am how you stated feeling perceive things many of the people that must have people that I was involved with what are of a higher class if you will or better way of living or a different kind of environment that allow after Sosa to delete it I never had it so I don’t blame them for Being Human but certainly did lack of understanding of what it meant to do what was right was more within me as a person who was straight talk and someone who grew up in just I guess nicer and perhaps more supportive of surroundings which I did not Amen brother that’s the truth right on that what I think yeah we should I think we should call it a show at I was at Adventure I was expected nothing less than and definitely you delivered on bringing bringing the the the healthy crazy that healthy and powered acknowledgement of what it takes in like hey was the word of of CO2 I remember that song Still if we’re never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy right so I believe that I believe it I feel it I’m the same way I’m definitely letting go on some innovations that have helped me back and I’m feeling more free and more wild and less less compromising to people who may not agree or understand what I’m trying to do and there’s a way to there’s a I think there’s a way you’re proving it and I’m I’m catching up to you honestly about getting to a point where you just you give no fuks about being a walk in your truth in speaking your mind and people don’t like it they can they can shove it up their okayness yeah and I’m okay with that closing statement a lubricated sex toy and gently massage it as they relax the sphincter into their anus until they filled okay no I don’t want to use shoving it up your ass says this is your word is because on the township on podcast we are all about putting the anus back into Okemos and putting the penis back into happiness all right have you seen the movie the interview Seth Rogen when they go to North Korea and they interview the North Korean dictator they say that they hate us cuz they ain’t us all the ants talk is that this is going to be listened to and I can ask around closing statement obviously my lots of curious people about Craig Lewis and better days and all this crazy nonsense stop podcasting a plus with all the craziness it’s hard to get work when you’re up when you’re allowed muffins supposed love for myself it’s awesome but all the people are the characters in the world I want to see I love you and I’m grateful for every person who has ever existed in my life including every person who has not been nice to me with every person who is abused me iPhone I am quitting the worst ones and I don’t want you all my life but I do forgive you because that’s the best for my. You’re my love for myself and also I just also think it’s very relevant necessary because I know this would be listen to cuz people whose voice and I’m staying right now will you love me or hate me or whatever it is it’s okay it’s okay because things have been crazy and I wouldn’t want to have to hang out with me sometimes the way things were but I can’t imagine being someone else it was horrible I was going through a living you know what I don’t want to say that word because I choose to like try to be better doesn’t mean that always succeed as you all know that you can I I’m grateful to be here today laughing about it crazy just going on I think some things that come out of my mouth that bow that’s pretty intense stuff sometimes I like using my brain is sometimes you say things that are little bit much so what I’m grateful to be here now I’m grateful to everyone if I’ve hurt your feelings or offended somebody will the problem with a reason but I also feel like that’s not okay so I do apologize for being hurtful because when you’re fighting a battle and you feel like you’re you’re experiencing or you’re proceeding being under some sort of Oppression you do things are sometimes don’t always make sense and you fight me ways that not everyone’s going through Fluevog so I will recognize this truth that goes for everybody including how I’ve communicated with you in the past and I have not been easy so this trip this accountability this acceptance of yes it’s not been pretty getting to this place and I am I in a gray spot now I’m working on it and it’s because I chose to be what I wanted to be and I tried to walk my talk and my Straight Talk sucks sucks sucks so I’ll leave you with this liked my dear friend and be host to talk about just suggested you can just get that lubrication and like jet me like take care of with best the love that you deserve because you deserve to feel good inside and however you find a way to feel good inside I know the tundra parked behind and I think it’s fair to say that I’m behind that to oh my God that sounds crazy that wasn’t even planned that I’m sorry but yeah oh my God I think it’s happened in my brain and that was thank you Universe this is crazy I don’t know what to say if it doesn’t get any simpler than put the anus in Okemos and put the penis and happiness and we will all be living in it beer peace more peaceful or more fulfilling more abundant world man so I think that’s that’s that’s what I asked what it comes down to and and I store is the next time I bought the world travels but that’s what I thought that’s what the best and I want a wonderful rest of your evening and we’ll be in touch again soon I love you so much and I love you so much for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition assassini and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email said I turned your punk. 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In this episode I’m joined by my revered permaculture teacher and issuer of my permaculture design certificate. To protect his identity and allow him appropriate distance from the extreme edginess (permies will laugh) of my current path, he’s taken on a sci fi pseudonym. We discuss the origin story of our epic collaborative brother-from-another-motherhood. We bonded instantly many years ago over our mutual love of nature, science, diy tech, radical activism, the punk politics of resistance, and the unmatched sophistication of subversiveness to be found in the permaculture design movement.
At the time our paths crossed, I had been exposed to permaculture for about 10 years, but only within the year previous to our meeting in the late 2000s had I become seriously engaged in study of the design science. He appeared in my life at the best of all times for me to appreciate his insights and accomplishments. I put my best efforts into earning his respect and approval as a budding permaculturalist. As per the original intent of the founders of permaculture, certified designers are encouraged to develop a mastery of the system in order to embolden them to create their own certification course curriculum with adherence to the fundamental contents and structure of the original permaculture design course. I was blessed to establish a barter relationship with him so that I had an extended mentorship which included and transcended the standard PDC curriculum with more oversight and technical support than would be normally accessible in a traditional 72 hour course. My one-on-one training took place over the course of about a year and a half. He provided guidance through my designs spanning apartment scale gardens, to a warehouse parking lot edible park installation, to semi-rural farmstead, and various business and community projects in between.
The intent of our discussion in this episode beyond reminiscing on the past, was to establish the integrity of the lineage of my training, and once again seek approve for one of my designs, in this case, the design of my customized permaculture design course curriculum, an adaptation of the way he provided the course for me.
To be expected, I integrate elements of eco and sacred sexuality with tasteful aesthetics and scientific maturity, he provides his feedback and ultimate approval. We share a sense of deep honoring for the irrepressible hacker mindset of the co-founder Bill Mollison. We dare to presume he’d be proud of my attempts to design for the sector of sexual energy, which without a doubt is the most powerful, yet least valued and most poorly managed energy flow pattern in sustainable human settlement design and engineering.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin eligible events Wall, Township on podcast episode number 2089 being joined by Paul Atreides who is the mysterious figure who has played a very important role in my my personal development as a permaculture a designer’s he is the man who I would say provided for me a one-on-one very intensive long-term permaculture training that resulted in me having the confidence in me to issue me the coveted permaculture design certificate which is a 2 to display to the world saying that one has completed the 72-hour minimum course curriculum to be then qualified to operate commercially using the word permaculture according to the guidelines laid out by the the co-founder Bill Mollison many years ago that the late great Bill Mollison and so for those who are not familiar with the term permaculture we’ll get into that a bit but it’s it’s part of how I promote my work as a permaculture designer and Tantra accounts that help people grow spiritually sexually and ecologically and I really feel that I’ve been able to bring a permaculture perspective to a lot of the healing modalities that are out there that sort of what’s often considered woo and new age and energy work and all that you know really bringing a grounded earth science perspective to my work and and all that really comes literally thanks to this man here who for various reasons we’re going to keep his his true identity obscured but we’ll just kind of get into what I what I intend to do is is take this topic of Tanks hacking permaculture to tell both of our stories about how we became radicalized through the punk rock movement and got into college activism and in basically at some point discovered the glory of the permaculture design system and then put our hacker Minds to work to figure out how to count of Avail ourselves of more open source content and actually start to open source permaculture that was its original intention anyway so it was supposed to be resistant to proprietary mechanisms resistant to Academia and but also conducive to people’s right livelihood and conducive to successful businesses and all of that is encoded into the prime directive in the ethics but you know something I’ve come to to know and love and I have grapes with certain aspects of how the movement has evolved then we’re going to talk a bit about our feelings are true feelings about about that stuff too so this is hopefully just going to be a a primer on what what the punk attitude how the punk attitude approaches the permaculture design system and how both of us are working and there are various ways to to really further further the the objectives that that we’ve been working towards for so long using this technology so with all that said call please share what you would like to do about your journey discovering permaculture where you what you’ve accomplished with it within your boundaries of of secrecy about your you know personal details and in time place and manner but maybe some of your accomplishments and and certainly how you’re feeling about the movement today and then we’ll go from there yeah I think you mentioned in any little bit more time and you conversation were now was the creation and Company drive for college activism and full and total Embrace of the Bay Area radical Anarchist activist movement or late night into the early 2000s and there was an awful lot of activities going on that were crime initiate and instigate and inspire people like being in myself to further educate ourselves and look into interesting things about ecology and direct action and art and we can put on different lenses and and look at landscape in different ways and throughout those experiences and Inspirations and I was introduced to the idea permaculture alongside with the writings of philosophical take on natural farming we’re just of enormous impact in my view of the world and my desire to a brave nature and and push a naturalistic approach to rewilding or not necessarily rewilding but even gardening in harmony I’ll take a moment to push this back to YouTube and and and see if anything that I just mentioned kind of jumped out at you and there’s a point that we should send out a little bit more and me and the sky oh yeah I think if we’re going on a certain timeline maybe we could talk about just the from a Terence McKenna perspective there’s this like a Creo time-wave coiling of of of of history repeating where I would say the the anti-globalization movement was a sort of unfortunately not as maybe right maybe it was maybe it wasn’t but it certainly was like the closest thing to a Berkeley 60s movement that had there has been since 9/11 and like we both had that experience of a major boost in that belief that we were part of something timely that we were part of a revolution that we could like almost snap our fingers and topple the entire global system of you know the power elite and that we had you know we had the numbers we had the intelligence and but it also wasn’t sustainable in failed and numerous ways and I’m wondering if I have for you if you want to talk about how the the deeper timelines that permaculture opens up those intergenerational timelines of Earth repair and stewardship you know how that reconciled for you because I fucking burnt out after that yeah that’s that’s really interesting point in the in the 90s to be a more powerful experience than being in Seattle in November 1999 Seattle protest with kind of AA Earth shattering experience if you will or a young eco-activist it was like it was happening it would happen and things were going and you’re absolutely right it’s there seems to be a pressure on on the world bad things were going to change and things were going to be different because it’s people power couple of things to my timeline changed shortly after that I finished calling and the role that I felt I had so much agency in campus activism and so looking for other avenues to exercise the distance our inspiration art, culture whatever you want to call it I was able to hunt down experiences I’m on farm and odd jobs and several International permaculture experiences in putting a PDT in Central America and Pacific in Central America as well my in an ecological framework for you in the latter part of 1000 seconds. Mutual previous experiences with and later drive toward permaculture are an expedition and restoration really drove by a friendship and and collaboration that I know you personally took some major inspiration from and took the opportunity in having a relationship with me through really dive into permaculture stuff and and build York as he did mention time to talk about that yeah I would yet not to reveal anything about you know the the circumstances but it was all of my best efforts to create a sort of lightning rod you know Lighthouse effect of green Consciousness into the punk rock movement like this was still internet was not that sophisticated around the mid-2000s but it was sophisticated enough to wear if I recall you were you would found my old website and where I was doing a lot of you know community outreach doing different projects in the you know I miss SoCal area and and Beyond and just kind of really really trying to find the punks who were not born to die in the gutter like the discharge song in that were actually like figuring out how to reclaim the lost his penis that we that we lost when we when we threw out all the tie dye and you know it’s it landed for some people you know we were able to maintain a certain you know edgy vibin aesthetic but also get you no punks into Gardens and it was you know to me at that time I was you know in my mid-twenties I was trying to create the infrastructure for a healthy ecological Punk hood that I didn’t have when I was a teenager and so it’s always that idea of like living vicariously through through the Next Generation if you can to like kind of fuel yourself from the wounds that you were that you were a mistakes you made it or not so I built this organization and and it was bringing in like lots of of it was really effective at at resonating with people at in finding him so you would come into that. Medium and and that sort of modality tunnel and and at that time I was ya like you said very enthusiastic and charge to two how to get my head wrapped around permaculture and get get to doing it like there’s so many practical modules of experience that you want to have once you start to learn about it and you just want to be like guess I can check that off I have experience doing this and that and that Matt and I kind of cleaned from you when we had started creating a sort of time banking sort of relationship to exchange value and and you were basically my consultant on retainer and I would have your input and an oversight over my very very humble and very microscale to begin with no permaculture designs and you were Supply me with seeds Doc and worms and all of the starter kit stuff as well as the very Advanced and high-level intelligence and and pattern thinking and all of that the more just a more advanced find a Specs on top of the the Practical stuff and the actual cuttings from New Zealand spinach you know it’s like if you haven’t had somebody give you a cutting from New Zealand spinach then basically go home cuz you haven’t even started doing okay you know what it’s like those of those moments where you realize holyshit what what can’t you propagate vegetatively you know now I want to know where I can just go to the local you know Mexican food forest garden in in in like oh and trim things coming out of the defenses and and just stick them in pots and see what sprouts and then end up having grapefruit grape Vines and passion fruits you know choking you to death and all that fun stuff so I mean that’s what comes to mind thinking about how you were able to sort of get me set in motion and in and that was a good I don’t know you’re maybe couple years of pretty much ya me really a greeting from you everything and anything that I could end and I think Dad we’re just we were just figuring out how to kind of hack the LA landscape and the SoCal Landscaping literally hacking off cuttings of things in literally knowing how to spot a legume Tree in a Home Depot parking lot. yeah absolutely it’s a practice in observation of your surroundings and pattern recognition to actually realize what resources you have there I think what you had set up for your website with was very compelling in in several senses as I will keep spinning back to the to the Punk theme but so many aspects of the little punk eco-activist literature in underground DIY magazines from existence do inside products to anything produced by crimefeed or Slug and lettuce there was just such a a vivid body of riding of people doing things other places in the country where if she needs easier to grab Squat and start propagating 606 resor to get something going east coast remember vividly remember reading I think it was where people were you know pack keep moss and Kudzu seeds and and bombing freeway on-ramp and overpass areas just to Rebecca Tate in a create Wildlife Corridor so do you need an inspiring and your connection with the with a puncture unity and what you were trying to create with your organization was an excellent way to connect with something like that and he said I was able to help you out bring you inspiring little super easy things like I need healing spinach cuttings or starter just an interesting thing that can happen when people have inspiration and some passion and even just a little bit of awareness of what they can do to try and get things going yeah man as you say that I’m thinking about all of the places that that tiny little bag of worms propagated to to out so many different people who were who were got that is like at a supply and and they live on to this day and then like they’re the happiest worms that ever lived you know a safe and well taken care of night that’s what’s so beautiful is like you just you get in alignment with I think you know one of your favorite sayings back in the day was and you can probably fill them you know the gap of of where you heard it from but life creates the conditions conducive to more life and that’s kind of like a you know if I see it like a Zen meditation calling you know you can really take that to the fucking bank unit I will jump in real quick and and attribution to that phrase and sentiment and that is teaching from Janine benyus and the organization that is doing absolutely beautiful work to inspire engineers and designers to draw inspiration from nature as well as generate reason to preserve nature and wild men and sacred leave Revere what and it’s all good I think it’s just a distinctly and beautifully captured in an utterance like life created conditions conducive to more life and that’s just totally beautiful you can meditate on that for years and enjoy wear those. And meditation on tell me what was the name of the organization again I got you said Janine Vina Jack Janine Pena venue and they would certainly be easily found with some Google cool alright so with all that said for people who have not discovered much about permaculture I think it would be good idea to episode and I’ll put a link in the show notes in fact I will I will tell I can tell you in just a second which episode it was right now one second it is it is episode number 114 where I did intro to permaculture in ecological design and that was just a a mini-lecture that I gave in a backyard permaculture site that I was working on it was also a budding goddess Temple of swords and and so in that episode you can get more of Amore fully developed introduction to permaculture experience on this podcast but it would be great to just for the sake of this one bring it back to you in your own words as a student like for you to be a student Bill Mollison is like studying Jeep Commando with someone with the you know Dan inosanto and end with Bruce Lee sensitive like a lineage to the source that I appreciate as well and I think you know it’s kind of I don’t know what to say straight but but they’ve adapted the permaculture design course in ways that I think are great it’s appropriate for it to be adapted but there is something to say I guess I should say if you’re up permaculture designer there’s enough Bill Mollison material out there in enough sort of ripped PVC audio and video files out there that that you should know what the source of the original course how that was you know the the structure of how this information was shared by him so I guess I would say it’s if it’s valuable for me to hear you say now especially now years later from your Beginnings in my Beginnings like if you’re asked to introduce this subject to people what’s your elevator pitch for it for permaculture okay I can’t give Justice with an elephant in the elevator pitch is the marriage of the idea that permanent NP sustained through culture so culture does not have to degrade nature Mall smart energy usage can be put toward building resilient Landscapes and cultures that have the ability to become richer and more stable over time that you did it. You nailed it now you can go a feel free for that what I call the stuck in the elevator pitch where you get to just go off and stuff with me so you know Paul Atreides and his words can kill cell would love to have the cloak of anonymity for for certain aspects of things that I could stay right right now Genesis of a permaculture as a marketing started with with Bill Moulton and call Bill Morrison from experiment but really good at marketing and people like you and I with so many brilliant ideas that we couldn’t stop thinking about it it seems so that you know and normally is satisfied disaffected 20 some year old would probably most likely be playing video game chose to read something like a 10 pounds text book about pattern languages and trees and climate and climate tropes and and I don’t know if some other topics from the manual back out there they caught your attention that you spent hours reading on bed yeah for me I see the chapter 14 stuff about the some of the more social I mean obviously I loved all of the ecological stuff but when it got to the the chapter 14 material all about how we can actually hack and re-engineer our social and economic Dynamics to share abundance and to really I mean you know I mean how many how many punk shows did I preach at to the crowd and every half the people were blacked out there was unconscious on consensual basically off all forms of rape all forms of violence all forms of just complete debauchery and just I mean so the and then and then suppose that two is like super hyper leftist socialist organizations that would be a protest and I’m like well they seem like they’ve got people kind of like saluting this ideology and they said somewhat more organized and they get more shit done but then it’s like I got this authoritarian by band and I didn’t see and then you have people like maybe the the hippies and the Rastafarians in Arab super into the Dow of the soil and there’s snow raising their joint to their third eye and they’re super cool looking up at the sky gazing with you know what their eyes closed looking to sign of my I wanted a little bit of all of that I wanted a bit if I discipline my bit of order you know a bit of debauchery and Chaos a bit of Eco spirituality and the social permaculture aspects that the things that got me most thrilled on top of all the ecological stuff which I love and I’m super into the missive of hacking all of these different Gifts of no way they would call ecological Services you know any ecology textbook and improvement course you weren’t just learn to think like MacGyver you know I mean if you like the ATM you like MacGyver and you like to solve problems and build things that were the super elegant but super crafty DIY Contraptions and get all of these amazing functions out of out of this elegant designs like that that really like the practical application turn me on so much but the thing that turn me on the most was definitely this is sense that there is a pathway for word that is is going to steal me from all my cynicism about human about someone called human nature but it’s just like the what felt like an impossible task of like bootstrapping a revolutionary movement everything in chapter 14 and everything about how we can build these these harmonious guilds and treat human human cultural design like a garden and really bring out people’s know what the bare minimum sort of professional development is needed to have like I’ve never seen that really mapped out before like Yeah so basically you you would motivate these different peoples that you have like a bare minimum kind of survival pod you know that you could take this to any environment and the way that it just was this growing mandala that was the most impressive thing to me that that would that all been thawed out and so being able to design the resilient communities in and having Financial awareness and legal awareness 10 but also having him so much of the financial and legal awareness to know about things like protecting your risk Ventures by relinquishing them into a non-profit not just as a tax shelter but to protect yourself from the bad guys and the court like you want to fight corporate rule you have to basically, she put them in the capitalist Marketplace but then protect your intellectual property your land your equipment your seeds that may be competing with Monsanto or whatever and you have to basically use Jedi Mind Tricks against the status quo to protect yourself and just that sophistication of subversive like I’ve never seen anything on that level of sophistication when it comes to being a subversive it’s like this isn’t breaking Windows this isn’t lighting should on fire this isn’t fucking even protesting this is like you says in in grave danger of falling food you know he wasn’t going to say in the forest but almost wasn’t going to just stay in the forest disgusted with Humanity after the 60s he was going to fight back with positivism and not let the bastards roll over everything and he fucking sat there and he absorbed the intelligence of the Fleming also the food for a semi so I always say two things does the aha moment of the food forest and the the Tactical strategic financial and political subversion of chapter 14 if that if that sums it up awesome permaculture MacGyver moment if you will fill I spent some quite a bit of time in the tropics permaculture stuff and some of the forefathers dad got their original training from Bill Mollison in the very very early days who were it’s the Wizards the Elders of Agriculture had an awesome story and and the guy removed and strategies and tactics that are kind of ninja like in and you know it illegal permaculture syncing really affect you and you want to bring it over so you want all of your options you can possibly have with with Steve and Diane wood or fruit growing in and developing diapers food for everything really try till Sunday characters awesome stories about and surrounding trees that they wanted to bring into their country but of course you know there’s and they’re happy to be so many interesting people develop new varieties in Hawaii there were several stories about how the perfect sign wood trimming and fit inside of a snorkel and nobody would ever suspect agricultural Contraband coming through inside of a snorkel case in your graphing techniques it’s very possible to bring in a snorkels worth of the fruit tree that you want to develop and 20 years later you’ve got a genetic stop there that you can share with your community or develop into your own Orchard or maybe it’s going to feel who know if you’ve got amazing MacGyver mentalities doing cool thing with Biology to make their dreams happen and that’s inspiring DIY right for sure for sure and I guess so maybe now we can talk a bit about the the more computer hackers having his stuff like for me you know I was I’m code a little late for the most part I’m good I can cut and paste code you know I can read a little bit but not much and I pretty much rely on the the cyberguy gods above me but I’ve always found ways to I’ve always known crew to ask questions to and who to befriend you know in a symbiotic and not parasitic way hopefully for the most part but I can just go through the chapters of my life knowing like if you’re a revolutionary and you don’t have a geek in your squad like you’re just forget about it you know not not in the modern world like you need to have somebody to help you with that so I’ve always had you know kind of a assassination and and and a love of those who really understood the inner workings of cyberspace more than I did and whatnot in Uno which is kind of like dabble here and there but I’ve used you know I’ve built websites I’ve run and ministered e-commerce and you know I’ve had to just learn whatever I had to learn to do the thing that I wanted to do but I wasn’t like a generalist them in computer science or math anything like that and I certainly a late bloomer to crypto but one of the things that was floating around the internet and are in our era was this thing called the permaculture party pack which was this cycle somebody did the work of compiling this ridiculously absurd compilation of obscure and NM just totally mind-blowing permaculture and otherwise agricultural sustainable teaching tools and and that was just floating around the radical underground for quite a while and probably yeah but I still out there I don’t you know I think that the times have changed a little bit but what I like to talk about is that what you and I are agreed upon at a certain point was that after I had done essentially a number of projects in the number of scales at a number of sites and was starting to I guess get past my get a few you know a few belts an endermite in a few karate belts from the dojo so to speak now and then to go for that black belt of being a certified designer if you want to call it that obvious lyrics degrees beyond that but I wanted to feel like I wanted to have more confidence as a as it as you know at least there a junior-level instructor and I wanted to have more confidence to do workshops in Tofino start to Branch out and and and taking more of a leadership role within you know my community and the larger community and actually build a career doing what I now love to be doing which is all this fun stuff and so we decided that the and I pitched and I’m like well if the if the canonical tagari release of the 72-hour course with Bill Mollison in Geoff Lawton. I believe it Melbourne University I believe somewhere in Australia there was that digitized that what that time it was like I mean it would take however long for people to download that file bit to download that party pack but in that party pack there was that collection of those DVDs which I went ahead later and purchased the legit package of it so that I could feel confident that I had that there was at least one licensed copy in my in my possession so that I wouldn’t be standing upon you know a a a sort of pirated body of knowledge but basically Meep same to you okay look you know I don’t have the money to go off to a permaculture farm and give them two or three grand and take the time off of work to go do that you know I don’t I could I could do the more accessible version of like the local out two weekends a month or one weekend a month thing but also I just don’t have the the capital for it’s still just like a starving artist bunker you know just like not not having that manifest met abundance so so really the hacker mentality and both of us kind of I would say led to this understanding the berries that they’re there is a demand for people who want to take the course and be certified and do this right but there needs to be a more or pants or Sam or at your own pace and more accessible to low-income folks way of approaching is so I took the time myself to watch all of the take notes on and watch all of the course DVD set basically a digitized version of that which was the 72-hour course and then lead the permaculture a designer’s manual cover to cover and have done my design practicum which was all of the projects you had you know supervise me doing over the course of our that long that was a year or more and then we decided that the talent show that out there the requisite of a talent show was Satisfied by you coming to go see my pump down once that was that and then from that point you gave me that seal of approval printing me a certificate and and I I did the research to know and I have citations and quotes of Geoff Lawton saying things to be effective basically in the the spirit of it in the beginnings and you know that I sent you there was like it was basically a Each one teach one kind of approach like if you took the course it would behoove you to master the curriculum enough to be able to go out and teach your own course in the end you know there’s there is some guidance around getting a diploma and nervous but there was lacking infrastructure and then obviously a Changing of the Guard with Moses and passing and and Lawton taking over and now the PRI thing there was a battle the feud between the permaculture Institute in New Mexico and the Permaculture Research Institute and luckily nothing too ugly in terms of like Court battles over you know the trademark or anything but it’s been pretty much the wild west and was kind of like a the industry will sort itself out if your reputable teacher and people like what you do and you know people see that you’re your designs actually work then you will have a sort of natural laissez-faire kind of libertarian approach to who gets to own this title and you know we we took on me I took that and ran with it and I said okay I’m going to do this sort of open-source versioning of a of a PDC and we know we got that Goin and then what that ultimately led to was at the height and peak of my having taken that PVC and run with it is that I made arrangements with the at the time this was Circa 2013 and I was in a location where I had Urban semi-rural small-scale over 10 acres of of a canvas to play with him and I had developed a canvas over the course of about a year and installed the the worm compost in multiple ponds and multiple kitchen Gardens and a food Forest you know a fledgling Food Forest and there was the zone that is so Nation theory of putting multiple concentric circles of different areas of interaction based on how often you going to need to use them. Just in a nutshell I’m going to say that to throw it out there for people that permaculture Zone Theory and basically I I was doing things by the book and I wanted to create a permaculture Training Center where world class instructors could come there and based on the infrastructure that I had installed they would be able to teach their flavor of permaculture and that was tested when we brought the war and brush who is still one of my ultimate favorite permaculture a designer’s because of his spiritual spirituality and his work with indigenous people around the world and and his storytelling and he’s definitely and he did he did the design for Amma the hugging in a so the Tantra he is to me the fucking time should permaculturist par exsalonce cuz he took the design for almost Center and I was there at Quail Springs when he was working on it and you showed me that a time so that I’m not fucking dropping names right now I had him out there chords for weekend and for me that was like the the real ribbon-cutting on the value of the work you had done to train me and to facilitate me and guide me like if he can come out there and he can you know look at this this design on this property and he can teach from it then I know I’m you know I’m on the right path and that that gave me the confidence from that point to reach out to managing director of The Pri USA and invite him over to that site and Pitch to him that he authorized me to have the authority to replicate the PDC format basically that you and I did which is that you know you should have asked you should be able to be you know given access to the the tagari canonical bilmos Geoff Lawton DVD set if we purchase a license for it and we have it available for folks that that should be you know something to do Explorer and and to potentially approval obviously there’s probably more intricate licensing that that could and should be done but at least the concept was there for me to share with him and the idea that a senior permaculture designer could come in and basically a couple times a year take a batch of students who had gone through that DVD course and who had done work on that property you took basically as they’re going to the course they’re actually okay so now you do a course module now you go out to the property where there are Works in progress of the different modules of the different functional parts of the design whether it’s like repairing the chicken factory or extending the moving some material around a building at a thermophilic compost whatever it is is all of those things are are are just in the flow influx happening on the property so you should be able to do the the in the classroom study material and then go out on the land and do the Practical aspect of it build the skills and develop the skill sets and then also have access to the designer’s manual which now if I do it if I do it now I’m going to say we’d have the students read the introduction to permaculture ebook rather than the designer’s manual because I think that’s sufficient to get people going no without having to go through all of that technical minutiae which is a fucking rocket science in the In The Bleak the big black book but that was where it left off and then you know for me all hell broke loose I had a spiritual emergency and I had to let it all just biodegrade everything I had built basically we just brought it in place and things fell apart for me financially and I’m personally but but that that outline for a at your own pace in low-income open source PBC it still exists and now as of this very moment I’m being called to to bring it back to life so that’s why I really wanted to have you on and for us to talk shop about this about the punk rock ethics and the hacker ethics and the the sort of I mean I think I think if I had the opportunity to meet with Bill on the astral plane and he knows that I went on the fucking Joan Rivers show and fucking brat and I brought the permaculture to the Joan Rivers show and she was happy she wanted to be trans apocalyptic she wanted to fucking bring the chickens into the into her backyard and turn her fucking swimming pool into a fish pond that was something that bill Mollison would fucking give me a pat on the back for it I would say so anyway that’s just that’s me sort of giving my my my dissertation defense if you will there anybody out there who is like wanting to show me or love me for this I had to just going to bring it out like that so and now you can tell me you know what you think about my my fucking my evil plans to conquer the world with benevolent egalitarian and access the permaculture it is an idea that has been wanting to happen for as long as as as long as has been teaching class like he said it it does go back to the very beginning every student should become a teacher of the permaculture are in there all right and it should have been affected in their mind enough that they would want to teach people that is freaking awesome don’t you realize you could be building soil there that you realize it could be slowing down water there don’t you realize you could be generated vegetation and any other ideas I meant to be shared and it spread at some people absolutely need to pay for it and pay full price and other people need that access that inspiration for free just like it has he said your your Sweat Equity I wouldn’t call it free your Sweat Equity and and willingness to indulge your self in the information and workout it that was the equity required to get you access to the knowledge to enjoy playing with permaculture and make it fruitful for yourself and your community and it seems like another inflection point where it’s about to become even more purple which is awesome yeah man I’m going to I’m going to try as it is another funny bit here if you’re good to go for another few minutes how are you doing on time and cool alright so I think that this would be a fun sort of you know pecan on the experience to get into not to get too deep into the well this this is more fun than the people who are who are more used to hearing me talk about sexy time stuff on this podcast this is where it is and it is that you know when I was when I mentioned being on the urban Homestead ish Farm property in LA area this was around 2012-2013 my past with sex work with with extreme activism with punk rock like all that stuff was was compartmentalised and shelved away because at that time I was developing with a very astute love partner business partner who who shall remain unnamed for now but if you if you watch the Joan Rivers show you can see us together at at are at the peak of our glorious as a power couple that was manifesting and you know kicking ass and taking names but she cleaned up my act a lot when I met her I was talking about the zombie apocalypse and I was putting out punk rock jeans called survive 2012 and a head fucking like I took Boy Scouts clipart and I put Mohawks and fucking like studs on it very much in that the deep in the crust Punk aesthetic and the profane existence call him was going and it was like we’re getting ready for the zombie apocalypse and permaculture the only fucking way the punks are going to survive you know I wasn’t thinking about marketing to West LA high-end clientele and getting on the Joan Rivers show that was all that the Witchcraft of this dear woman who was a very wealthy woman you had a very amazing career and basically she was suno pruning those aspects of Authority or aspects of my my true character and and I I respected it I was like cool with you know being kind of funeral just having to up my professional game and in change my parents a little bit and then be able to work with her and work together and build a brand and we we built this brand that it’s also going to be sort of it he has had it’s it’s it’s our cue nobody needs it’s going to come back but really it was an opportunity for me to engage with Society at large on a totally different level toy different ear and so we were creating opportunities for very family-friendly brand and marketing and in and what not and so you know we put together a portfolio of our projects and what we have been doing on the property together and what our brand was trying to do and I had like a I even had a suit Panico superhero mascot that I was doing and very much working at the the G-rated and mainstream kind of level of approaching people and business development of What Not and so it one of the the things that we did since she who is so well-connected is if there is a very one of the most famous actors of all time was a friend of hers was one of his his top assistant was a close friend of hers and the friend of of the property and what not and and we thought she was like we need to pitch all the stuff we’re doing to have a reality TV show we want to do a reality TV show of how we’re doing permaculture and survival and you know it can be something that’s like very very mainstream friendly and what not and so I put together a bunch of stuff for a little packet oral presentation and we showed the guy we’re doing this and we’re doing that and we’re doing this and that and this and that and he looks at anyssa psych not he’s scratching his head and it’s like kind of frustrated and kind of distraught and he basically just says I’m sorry guys I hate being a basic hate to be cynical but people aren’t going to be interested in this like it’s too it’s too G-rated you need basically you need to make you said you need to make permaculture sexy and he meant that as more of like if you want to compete with people’s eyeballs for attention like it’s going to have to be edgier than than than what you’re doing and how you’re not going to maybe you know your mascot could become the next SpongeBob or something but most likely you know you need to just like except how cynical about this reality is and and think about you know you would have to be asking you would have to be if you want to reality TV show it has to all be about sexual politics and drama amongst adults or teens and that’s the only way anything’s going to sell it so just you know either do that or do you not think I’m sad and disappointing and it was kind of a cliffhanger but as I as you know from that point if you were to cut the movie script right there is cut the scene there of him planting that seed and then I go through my Dark Night of the soul and everything kind of dissolves in Melts the way and I go through this hero’s journey into the Shadow and come out as a sex worker and has like a sexual wounded sexual healer and I become a tantric Shaman and all this fancy-schmancy you know stuff and start getting back into doing porn and and it’s like but I never stopped being a fucking as a permaculture designer and I never stopped seeing opportunity to transmute and transform waste into resources and valuing the fucking marginal so I’m like I look at making permaculture sexy and I said thinking about you know I’m doing all these Landscaping gigs in Beverly Hills and west side and stuff it’s like I wonder who has the Landscaping contract for the Playboy Mansion because give me the damn shame that I can just imagine all these bunnies with no no carrots to eat out of their own permaculture Garden like somebody needs to sell that now that is what if I pitch that to that guy now hey we’re going to make permaculture sexy let us do a permaculture Makeover at the Playboy mansion and we can take pictures of the bunnies eating carrots and they grew themselves you know that that’s where I started to bring the the perfect culture you know aspect back together and Bill Mollison is definitely a lecherous bastard and in and there’s plenty of evidence of that so he would not take offense to what I’m saying now but put the that’s kind of that was a joke of this coming full circle but another aspect is just that if I take making permaculture sexy as if prime directive and I look at okay you know I can only be my sexual Capital also we talked about the different forms of capital that’s not on the list and sexuality as a as a vector as a as a sector these are permaculture jargon for understanding flows of energy sexuality Flows In and Out of a site and such a deep fundamental way but it gets neglected overlooking design and not a lot of people are designing for let’s say different relationship structures or or designing for maybe the tagari farm I believe it’s in porch Spain or Portugal like they’re actually doing permaculture with with the sexuality a sexually intelligent design aspect and so it’s just really an itch that far behind the curve as far as everything else in permaculture so it didn’t make sense for me to take up that cause and to start talking about sexuality permaculture designing sites and systems that account for these flows of energy and so where where I’m knowing that there are limitations to my sexual Capital potential the knowing that when I discovered and getting back into the adult industry at cycle wait a minute these models and these porn actresses they actually charge very little money to do all kinds of different shoots like they are used to standing in front of holding cigarettes and booze and standing in front of sports cars and literally you know if you’re a model who were who is like a top-ranking model on modelmayhem.com or you’re the which is the most famous fanciest pornstar in the world your your day rate and your half-day rate in your hour rate it’s actually not that much for anybody who who wanted to like me make permaculture sexy to start to hire these people and start to actually put them in the landscape put them into permaculture designs and have them start to teach and have them start to demonstrate and let them become the teachers of permaculture that would fulfill that directive to make permaculture sexy so fast forward from that planting the seed of that directive to me doing my best to integrate permaculture with my work and my offerings but knowing the limitation I have maybe even a greater leap of faith and and risk and and risque if you will to be like okay well you don’t want to listen to Jeff lot and talk about permaculture you don’t want to listen to Paul Wheaton talk about permaculture you don’t listen to Jack spearco talk about permaculture how about the Playboy that are the play girl of the month you know I mean talk about permaculture then we’re cooking with grease and not is my you know hack that’s my function and and it’s starting to move and now I will be certifying some of these models and pornstars excetera excetera giving them the course that I had through you and modifying adapting it to their lifestyle and their schedule and beer you know availability and their interests and pretty soon I would dare say it’s going to cost very little money to have huge cultural leverage with their millions of followers and their millions of likes and just all of that capital of that Social Capital social media Capital merging that with the sexual capital and putting it into a holistic permaculture design where there’s a potential for the mean the games and the contest and like when I see what these models and and pornstars do on their social media to like riled up in and get their fans to participate in some contest to see them wearing some new outfit or whatever the fuck it is like you know when you put it very well in this conversation about the way that you’re mine shifts where you see opportunity for ecological from for helping life be conducive to more life you see those opportunities everywhere and it’s like there’s a limit to what people like you and me who aren’t multi-million follower Instagram models or whatever there’s a limit to how much we can transmit that but if they start to incentivize their fan base and they say yeah you want to have a date with me well you got to plant a tree to do that and if you plant a tree and you can prove it with the a video of you doing it then maybe you get you entered the raffle to have a nice date was Peter sup expect they do the most ridiculous shit and people are like men they’re abused frustrated sexual needs are being just totally manipulated by the door the whole capitalist wasteful system and if only it could be more elegantly finessed so that there was an alignment of ecological values and sexual gratification sexual fulfillment and the titillation of tits and ass you know we could really be where Jeff on says we used to be which is the most beneficial element in the system that humans can be that and I think it just takes putting that fucking carry it in front of you know the right energy and getting getting that frustrated Sexual Energy to actually serve serve Gaia and who better than Ben Ben some of these models which I determine undiscovered are actually quite quite an expensive to hire and I’m asking to do things far less intrusive and far less the grading than what they’re getting acid Dubai every other person who’s Contracting with them so that’s that’s my bite bite the next chunk of a thesis that I have found out there on the design charrette table setup for YouTube channel there you have it man that’s that’s the monster that you created in and I think Bill would be fucking having a shity than Grande right now if you could know about it he would absolutely absolutely love it I am sure that well good job then I love where you were at life and Imagination that has taken you and I look forward to what you able to produce and where they do in the future I thank you for that I think just the ad just as simply put if you think we both know anybody who you got to meet him personally but anybody who is Coosa been able to stand and stomach more than five minutes of his form of humor you know you would get it yeah he would think that this was a great hack and I do it to you know in that Spirit of honoring the lineages of teachers and the you know it’s not going to be everybody’s cup of tea but you know I wanted to have that that that thought process kind of vetted you know and have you sound soundboard on that and that’s pretty much my yeah that’s it’s a huge gift from you to me to to allow me to elaborate to that degree and to bear with me on that and now two were not me we’re not going to we’re not promoting anything particularly of yours we’re not funneling people to your websites or to your your Works per se but while you have a supper 290 which anytime you’re welcome back of course and we’ll probably check in on things in the future but this kind of is like we’re like time-stamping the blockchain Innocence by having this conversation we’re we’re establishing the the the spirit of resistance in this bizarre and unique format of of you and me talking about this stuff right now and so like with this opportunity that you have to speak from your heart and soul and everything you’ve learned in all the places you’ve arrived at I would love for you to just take over on however much time you’re comfortable with and like advise me on what you’ve learned and where you’re at and you know we talked about maybe busting some myths or at least talking putting some critique on on a permaculture movement if if you like but I just want to say my I rest my case for sexual pervert culture and fucking punk stacking permaculture and now you have what is snow humble audience to speak to but it will be growing over time and when we when we publish this episode there will be you know hopefully copies of it preserves you know for time immemorial and it will be something that people can look back on so it’s it it may age with Grace and it may it may continue to bear fruit so so feel free with that said to you know bestow whatever wisdom you’d like and doesn’t have to have any new no correlation to what I said that was just me putting in my my little timestamp yeah I I’m not sure that I would have so much more to say about the my recent learning so I would maybe just invite people to take those moments to appreciate life and dive into some methadone and and enjoy it and and dig on some of the philosophy and maybe even get into the weeds and read up on some FH King farmers of forty centuries and just think about where we’re at now and where we cooking in 10,000 years as Humanity probably not doing as bad as you think we’re doing I would say we’re probably doing a hell of a lot better than your mind thinks we’re doing and those are the kind of thoughts that I guess I’m working with at the moment so yeah if you if you don’t mind I’ll try to teach him we’re out of there we talked about futurism before and talked about you know that the long now and Kurzweil and that reconciling of amor primitivist perspective with the Amor techno Optimist perspective so you know now that you kind of yeah, you kind of shared a couple of resources do you want to just like if you were to put together your own party pack let’s say of the things that Arthur’s resource is not to say that we’re going to do that or you know take that on but but I would be curious to know if you would want to elaborate on just lists of influences that you had you know people and anything that you would consider to be a valuable resource like that go ahead and add some more to that list and then I think we’ll call the show if we’re if we’re happy with that where I would throw some ideas is Imagine The Long now I would say Stewart brand book and any kokrak minted whole earth discipline is a great place to start and that’s that’s got a lot of ecological heresy that he presents if he will end the end that can change your mind on a few thing and if you’re looking to change your minds on you know being super down about the world’s going to hell in a handbasket and and you’ve been deeply involved in send Derek Jensen work or something like that I would definitely say grab a list of books by Steven Pinker the better angels of our nature Matt Ridley the rational Optimist Peter diamandis abundance and I I guess like you said Ray Kurzweil The Singularity is near and think about radical demonetizing EFM realizing technology can help perpetuate ecological regeneration and human flourishing because not opposed you know that the system to develop technology is certainly not purposefully and willingly opposed to regenerating the system in fact I think trying to Mary conservation with technological Advance is providing a very bright halfway towards the future and with that in mind never disregard the sacred and always take a moment to reflect back ten thousand or more years rely on wisdom to guide you I guess that’s about that’s about all I have on those ramble that’s beautiful man I just reminds me of the one thing one thing I’ll close with your which is believed this was in that Mollison Lawton PC where he says basically what you do in your permaculture design should have worked where you are a thousand years ago and it should work where you are a thousand years from now and that is like the that’s another thing to meditate on you know yes absolutely and it goes with that it’s like can you be high-tech as you want and be compliant with nature the same time you know yeah right on Manuel crazy insane bulletin things that you like super counterintuitive in and could totally like this this is an awesome one so I would assume eco-warriors would think that petroleum products are all super negative there are some really interesting very underground moles and project in the Middle East where he actually use petroleum product to erosion and reverse the desertification and I think that if it’s worth not not condemning every tool just because of where it came from their options to use just about every tool for potential regenerative benefit. Will pay huge dividends in the 1000 to 10000 your time scale is very tantric in a sense that Township pushes you to towards the taboo and the transgressions that help you realize non-duality and integration and break your phobias and and understand you know every tool in the toolbox with with the ethics of right action ultimately it with the bigger picture in mind so that’s another another guy want anything else before we wrap I think that’s good cool man all right well that. Comes full circle we I think we crushed it we’re talking about Punk punks hacking critical and we did a massive thank you so much this is been a huge honor and you know the respect that any martial artist would have for their Sensei or any Yogi would have for the guru I have that for you and I absolutely wish you the best and I live to make you proud and hopefully you know if tall is the the business logic pants out well then there will be yields yields upon year olds to to share and to feed back into more fun and more teaching and just confusing being conducive to more life men awesome awesome all right that we have a great evening and we’ll be in touch please go to www.crunch.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple up here by Tycho logical employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 18275 1593 or emo band at Tantra Punk. 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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township on podcast episode number 167 I am extremely excited in just grinning from ear-to-ear because I have Jasmine as a guest on the show and this is the the very exciting Adventures background that I have to to lead up to our conversation she has been a friend of mine on social media now for probably a good many moons and also a listener of the podcast and it’s always a treat for me to just find out that random different people from all over the world that are tuning in and getting something positive and empowering from this and to have somebody step up and just kind of time in really is affirming for me so it’s like wipe she goes by the name black girl affirming on Instagram and I feel like she’s helped this white boy give a little back formation and if I says so it’s been fun yeah we’ve we just had a bancer online and there was a time of you know I would say that that the cheat sheet she gets my heart racing and as I see your posts and and she’s easy on the eyes and all that good stuff and you know but I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t have crossed the line of propositioning her to be hired as a model I don’t want to end up using that as like a unprofessional Shady pick-up line you know but but I was compelled to be like damn I got to know if you’d be willing to take money for some of these pictures if you’re shipping because you’ve got you know the vibe that I’m going for them looking for as far as women who are empowered and have a story to tell and are doing cool things in the world that are inspiring and and also being willing to play with erotic energy and actually engage in and share a bit of them to set themselves in an erotic matter with the world and so whenever I see that whenever I see those two things together it it it makes me want to reach out in that way but so that the the real what makes me so ridiculously happy right now is to talk about this is is to describe that moment where I saw the one little Instagram clip little video clip that that push me over the edge and it was this a scene with a beautiful like small kind of Creek little waterfall Rock somewhere in a lovely Forest environment and there she was burying her fairness to the world from a nice full backside kind of perspective in and she’s first facing forward or you’re facing away from the camera and then there’s is very slow very meticulous and methodical turning over head towards the camera so naked and had her turning over her shoulder and then there is the absolutely most mischievous yet playful and somehow Innocent but it totally inviting look like I’ve never felt so invited to anything and end but it’s left to your imagination so it could be that you are you’re invited to also take her clothes off and get in the water or you’re invited to just sort of let your imagination roll and and I I think I was in that moment just feeling like this is the quintessential expression that if only women in the world were permitted and facilitated and in in secured and inhaled safe to be able to be able to express it as they want to be then then there will be a lot more of these beautiful moments for a cell to for taken and nothing in for all genders and for all Expressions you know to feel like hey this is me you know here I am love it or leave it whatever and son is just so many it’s worth a thousand words and I’m and I’m going to use a screenshot as the as the the assertive profile photo for this episode so anybody listening please do yourself a favor and and get a deep download a deep deep Country transmission from this photo it says like this is how we all could be living you know naked men like trans McKenna said we know where we really want to be is in the jungle sitting in the jungle naked stoned and exalted and and that’s how I want to live so you know with all the with all that said a couple little things here is that Jasmine is a yoga instructor a community organizer activist and a bookstore owner and and she will be one of the very first survival women models for the new website that I’m launching at mentioned a few times in the past and and we’ll get in to kind of the the the thinking behind that and how we you know we’re going to collaborate to really changed shifts and paradigms in a really fun and empowered way so we’ll get into that later but for now just wanted to say thank you for bearing with the too long intro and Jasmine is going to know take over and lead us on a nice some grounding kind of intro and then we’ll get to hear all about her in her own words a band that was beautiful and so honored to be on this podcast with you today and I just want to take a couple of moments to kind of ground and center before we get the chatting so I invite anyone who is listening to this to find a comfortable seat if you can’t find a comfortable seat that’s fine to invite you to close your eyes if you’re not driving just began to turn in and word and Bill the contrast of the heaviness of the body and the likeness of your breath maybe you take your tongue to the top of the mouth so you create a nice little part between your lips and your teeth and I hope your breathing slowly begin to let your ex house become a little bit longer than your in house maybe you call when your favorite see it to you right now where energy or spirit that you like to work with whenever you’re ready believe again. The eyes flutter open and bring yourself back into this moment all right Manny ready I’m ready I am so ready I was born ready for this cool so yeah tell us all about your personal life journey to lead us up to this lovely moment they were sharing Barry as well I am from a small rural town and you know I’m one of those places where there’s not much to do besides getting in trouble so I’m actually really blessed that somehow that my past was a lot different from a lot of the kids that I grew up with and I think a lot of that had to do with like the the matriarchal family I was brought up in had a strong grandmother even though during this time so I kind of just thought she was really strict she’s actually creating like structure that a lot of children crave to start at 6 and set three light and three growing up with her she put me into an early college high school so I graduated high school at 17 with an associates degree I went off to go to college I graduated college it’s Manny with a ba in political science college for about five years now so I’m 25 and most people would just be graduating college right now but when I graduated college like a lot of people kind of experience this like shifting your like like where you feel like okay now what and during that now what phase is when I begin my yoga Journey my yoga practice and that was five and a half years ago and a lot has changed but the one constant has always been my ability to come back to my map and for that I’m really grateful and I think have self-discipline through my practice has really shaped and mold me into the woman I am today so yeah that’s fabulous your accelerated I love it there are these moments of acceleration where you’re like you kind of like blink and then like a years have gone by and then you have these moments where I like things kinda Canfield. But really that’s just the time of resting there to be honored to you know right on yeah that’s that’s very interesting is this the first time I’ve heard of a program of a high school where you could actually be getting credit towards College simultaneously that sounds like a very opportune in yeah I would love to see that via the way for people to be more empowered and more set up and I have to reinvent the wheel so much with so many wasted hours if monotony and rote learning and all that stuff so yeah how was your college experience it’s kind of a shitshow I think up until that point I had been like so sheltered and really like a nerd for lack of better words you know it’s kind of cool now but back then it didn’t feel too cool so when I got the college and I was like by myself like any country girl who finally gets to the city, but I was able to keep it together enough so I can walk across that stage tell us more about the wildness if I can’t imagine what you mean by that College was a great experience in the sense that that was the first time I had really look like I had an opportunity to like really explore like black urban culture like I said I am an African-American woman and I grew up in a rule town and many of my school years I was often like one of maybe like three black kids so is a culture shock in that way and you know I’m forever grateful for those times like the relationships in The Sisterhood that created really like been lifelong friendship and he has so many of the people I went to school there doing incredible things here in the area that we lived in especially in the activist and organizing community so I’ll go ahead and I’m going to mention this I hope she’s okay with me mention this I have a friend named glow who was a part of the Charlotte Uprising if you’re not familiar with the Charlotte Uprising it was a series of a protest that were triggered by the the police killing of an unarmed black man and weather has been really in transit in that movement and is facing felony charges for conspiracy and like starting a riot and all these like what does Tactics with the state uses to impress black voices honestly and so if anybody wants to support glow you can support her at like Charlotte Uprising on Facebook figure out how you feel like donate to her legal defense funds and yeah and so like all of us and now we’re like out here doing this like activist work and back then if you knew you would never think we would be the ones like on the front lines protesting because back then we’re more concerned about partying but you know well that’s best music to my ears. I definitely had a similar experience yeah but partying and getting political and political partying it for being a little more on the for me you know I’m the anarchists kind of spectrum of just wanting to break down break down all the organized religions and all the organized political systems and get really really raw and him back to the roots and I know ya without disclosing your your whereabouts exactly I know that there is a I mean we have good good very deeply nature connected kind of movements that we that we both share so yeah Anarchy for life oh yeah so good part owner of is an anarchist bookstore so we we we focus a lot and Anarchist literature and having a very diverse selection of authors and you know Octavia Butler you know emergent strategy and brown Bell hooks You Name It We got it has been a really good experience for me I thought I was bad until I like teamed up and started doing this and I was like well I could be way more rider that’s awesome it sounds like it’s kind of a Cooperative kind of structure is at how do you how do you do that it’s just really interesting and really this I’d love to spend some time on this because a 25 year old entrepreneur in that space but also doing it in a minute in a more collectivized sense where you’re not trying to always be the lone rock star or you know carrying all the weight by having a healthy business Dynamic where you’re serving the community and your hopefully you know appealing yourself away from the working for the man you know and making living it’s doing things right so how is that you want to tell us about it just a Dynamics in so people can get a good get inspired to do some other things a lot of people are starting to wake up to you it’s the idea that you really can’t do it all by yourself you know like we’re so removed from like community that it’s just so much to take on especially when you look at the state of the world now that you can be really depressing if you try to like fix everything by yourself and so I think like working with a proper dose is been really like therapeutic for me like the bonds that I’ve built but these people but you know in a traditional work setting maybe have like a cold and you’re just really not feeling up to par but you might not necessarily have that intimate connection to just be like you know what like I would like to give 100% today but you might get 75 and this is why I not feel judged for it because we we don’t prioritize our work as like in a sense of like a capitalist labor mentality like our work is more of a in the sense of service start Unity so yeah I love that I have the ability to like lean into that a lot and I think it’s something that’s really missing but you know I’m we talked about entrepreneurship I feel that that’s been the white one of the cornerstones of my generation is just being like you know I really don’t want to do the nine-to-five thing is like forever confused when I let got a college about like why I was so depressed and so miserable and these jobs and it’s because they’re not normal you’re not in it so like an office desk or Worse do you like hard manual labor for like hours of a day and like get like an hour break has not normal it just doesn’t make sense to me when I started linking up with like-minded people I was like Oh My Tribe thank God I’ve been looking everywhere for you guys. I feel exactly the same way and I was just having a conversation just about the drudgery and the sort of repackage slavery in a lot of people you know you would have more of a deeper authentic voice on this issue the me one of the ways to think that people lose sight of just the process of building Empire in Civilization is that you know the The Branding on slavery has changed and their arguments have been made you know you can audit them better than I but just saying that essentially the it was in some way some people would argue I’ve heard the argument that that no slaves who do the slave labor have to earn in Spain money for rent and room and board and all of these other Aldi’s Aldi’s other necessities of life that that were provided in so-called traditional or official slavery now the trick on everybody and not the least of which being the freed slaves is that oh you’re free now but you still are under the impressive system still have institutionally disadvantaged and marginalized in the whole pyramid of privilege is still a pressing and on top of that now you have to pay rent now you have all these other bosses in oppressors and it’s like the only way to break free from all that is to do what you’re talkin about which is collectivize and share resources in and work for working with each other and serve a community in an end then you can really be free of of having to feel pressure to work for somebody else’s you know Empire to even survive I don’t know how that sounds you know if I’m using the right language but curious about your thoughts very deep question when I when I hear you speak up a couple of things come to mind me I think I like I wouldn’t be the first person to say like today’s caplis labor is slavery I would attribute more of that like modern slavery slavery to like the prison industrial complex just because like I mean the way those people are treated in prison is just absolutely disgusting you know I am a part of a collective that collects books for prisoners and like they can’t even get hardback books like there’s so many regulations on like what they’re allowed to even read in prison that. Feels like that’s very much like like somebody having like literal control of your life where I think you know in like capless America like traditional Society like we do have like a lot of leeway in that sense but other thing that came to mind was you know how the system of capitalism rely so heavily on when men and women’s bodies right because ultimately we are the people who reproduce the workers are right and that’s something that really came to me and that the way that like our government tries to regulate women’s bodies is so deeply High to capitalism. if you want to talk about women’s Liberation we have to talk about the dismantlement of the system that no longer is working for us you know yeah yeah those are really really important points I’m glad you brought them up and they had those are whole whole topics for whole other episodes that I will definitely have you a recurring guest in knowing when we so now there anybody listening to understand why you know why I’m so thrilled to have someone with this level of insight to to be on the show and to bring help me come back to a more radical more more insurrectionary even kind of attitude towards the system and you know I’m really not here to to put on rose colored glasses and make everybody into Township Bliss bunnies that just Frolic and leap over all of the Shadow work that needs to be done so she had sex magic which is like I would love to see a people’s movement rooted in spiritual health and sexual Liberation and that didn’t happen a lot I mean even I know the Black Panthers were were systematically terrorized by the FBI and they would even implant it wouldn’t plant home-wrecking informants and in Plants insiders to actually fuck with people using jealousy and using the tactics of of like really Mike fucked-up monogamous drama to fucking ruin the movement and say okay if you had resilient sexual magical tantric tribes maybe that shitt wouldn’t work maybe they’d have to go through 74 initiations I know even the The Weather Underground SDs that was more of a of a white kind of elite more elitist and white kind of movement that they would do homosexual initiations to not that I know exactly all of the historical details about it but I believe that the thinking was that to break down the structures of patriarchy that they would they would in some places require a sort of homosexual kind of initiation and that probably also was a way to say oh you do you know any if you’re a cop in the room raise your hand okay now now you have to like stripped naked and join this orgy otherwise you know your we’re going to know your I don’t know if that anyway I could there’s so much to learn about about these about this movement so again I just I think we’re going to have lots of fun on going you know exploring the stuff and I’ll just leave it there for now but yeah go ahead. I will shut myself up and you know it when we were talking about like you know like the FBI using like jealousy and like these like like kind of Primal like Musa kind of fuck was like I was really lucky to do you like an all-day group intensive workshop with Alice Walker and if you’re familiar with her she’s the author of The Color Purple in search of our mothers Gardens you really famous Friday and my question for her was like how do I continue to show up as a community organizer as activist and like take care of myself at the same time and her response was you have to heal yourself first before you can show up in that capacity so you know especially with like Daris amen if you’re not doing that emotional labor like you’ll you’ll get you’ll get there like you you’ll make strides but you it can be easily triggered and this I told if you’re not working on things like jealousy and you know like these Primal energy that can be really a distraction at times yeah that is that’s great advice well we’ll so now it’s okay so I’m just so thrilled because normally did to this is I mean I’ll say that there is a lot of well well meant and really justifiable tension and hostility between and among the genders and sexes in radical communities because there is so many creditors that go into like direct-action campaign and end up trying to you know he’ll actually a lot of those people are are the cops I got to give away a dead giveaway is at the agitators who were sent in there and if they’re not actually trained it call Monica or whatever they’re actually just sort of people that may be a flipping and doing the sort of treacherous and traitors stuff of being maybe they got busted for having a joint and then they said hey go and fuck with that that direct-action campaign and we’ll let you off or whatever but you know I’ve seen those kind of people and they come in and they are the ones who were trying to sexually manipulate and violate women and to create that sort of drama so you know too too kind of frame this discussion little bit around the sexuality you know the ideal of sexual Liberation in radical communities and then the sort of shadow of How It’s in some places we can create Anarchy especially like deep in the forest when they’re did say they are far away the system is actually far away and then there’s a lot of you know enforce the fence campaigns that I was involved with there were rapes and molestation and abuse has and there would be the sort of tribalism of the you know bands of Brothers kind of breaking off and fighting the women who were really literally fighting for their lives and fighting for the forest because it’s all that stuff so you’re taking a very bold step from that away from that that more siloed and hostile attitude towards me because you could have really been like who the fuck is his douchey white dude talking about you know all this Liberation stuff and in a part of that is very true but you’ve been you know forgiving and being an open to me and now we’re having this conversation about what’s really going to be me taking the fruits of my heart labor and that the money in my pocket and just handing it over to you handsome amounts to take pic nude pictures of yourself in nature and some sort of exploiting you sexually but I’m also empowering you financially and so and you’ve done some webcamming so how about you take over just tell us about wet what’s X work with looks like from your paradigm you know one Brad like I kind of like have like a load for you know these patriarchal white supremacist capitalist system as Bell hooks so I can call it but in the same breath you know when there’s been times where I like I had to happen so that survival instincts and I had like one guy asked me one time he was like am I the victim or the victimizer and the truth is we’re but you know like I think you have to have a certain amount of street-smart to to be able to like use what naturally you have to like to take it to the next level or to financially take care of yourself and support yourself but you know sex work is the oldest work in the world and is not going anywhere and there have been times where like white douchey man have all we like helps me like maybe pay for like tuition for college shirt and this and that and that and it was very much it felt like a mutual exchange it’s really hard to talk about monetizing or like what your body is worth but I would just always encourage women who are like in this in this fail to like don’t load don’t lie sell yourself you know like take care make sure you’re making enough to take care of yourself first and foremost I think when that’s feeling of like it being a mutual exchange starts to like kind of waiver then that’s when we start talking about like maybe this is more of self harm than it is actual good and that’s up to each person’s own discernment like what feels Mutual for you like how how do you value yourself and then there’s been times when I was camping and people would be like they say the meanest things and get tell me I was charging too much and doing this and doing that and I can be a lot on your self-esteem but I just encourage you to stick to your guns because those people naturally weed themselves out for sure for sure well I’m I’m feeling that I’m feeling that very deeply and you know if I have one sort of claim to I guess my is there’s a there’s a lot of white guilt kind of Shadow behavior in the activists Progressive funeral ft world and green left it kind of world and you know I’ve I guess a lot of people who have that white guilt have strategies of ways to try to minimize the amount of privilege that they have on paper so they’ll you know come up with ways that they are also oppressed and you know I will also be enough for me and I feel like there is some it’s a struggle and it is it’s a real thing and I feel like it’s a it’s an appropriate internal battle to have about like what is my role on this continent what is my role in this hemisphere you know what the going to be in service or am I going to be a parasite on you know all of the indigenous people in the land and I’m trying you don’t go into that struggle and I would say that you know the one thing that that is legitimate about my sort of being able to claim that I have some impressions of my own is that I have that background is like a street-walking sex worker as a minor you know an inn that I had said to be able to so you know I’ve seen some horrific things in Android some things and that doesn’t make me on the level with a lot of other people by any means but we can at least talk about that from a you know from a I can talk about that from a place of humility in place of having been there and Having learned Street smarts in until I understand like exactly you’re talking about is it you know there is well how would you how would you feel about this argument the sort of sick Pro sex work feminist argument that you know what to put it put it briefly as just that well you know if the feminist who are saying that you’re selling out the feminist movement by serving the crude sexual desires of these men do you know I don’t deserve it and and what not there I see. I see the validity in those points but then the counter argument that I I really like is the one where where women who are sex workers have in each type c see things in a feminist Missy will look at what you’re doing with your body like you’re doing something that could probably get you killed or get you injured you working at a factory that’s prostitution to I’m just being sexy and feeling good in my body and yeah I got to do with some Trolls but you know hey at least I’m doing something very sustainable which is making myself you know as long as I’m hydrated I can just squirt all day and make more money yeah go for something interesting to you were talking about like like from a place of like privilege like what is your role in this world and like honestly like I I feel so blessed in my life that I often times Bill even as a woman of color when I look at like the the global Community as a whole like I am in a place of privilege right and so when we talked about like the larger like our larger Community is it our goals to like if you’re in a place of privilege to kind of full other people up with you like a thank you note capitalism kind of has a backwards cuz it’s like oh like the people at the top will give the poor people stuff right but like what if we like all like collectively were like just like uplifting and like helping each other so yeah I had to deal with some Trolls but ultimately it was what privilege we’re giving me the money and they’re for helping me like with myself up right and now I’m in this position where I can do the same thing for other people even though it’s not in the span of sex work anymore you know random thought sorry please preach on I’m riveted in in a very yeah it’s like this is a really really important kind of thumb conversation that probably you don’t hear to have to just sit a regular Starbucks you know thank you for space so how about telling us more about just your connection to Nature your other other aspects of your character and personality that you’re developing and and then really what you what you were if you were a theoretically to receive a lot of financial tributes and tips and donations ultimately through the the project that we’re going to both to get to talkin about in a little bit but I want to definitely just give you time to talk more about the depth of your character and really what your passions are and what what you’re doing with the means that you have and what you would do if you had a sudden influx of really like serious abundance to to take things all to the next level and so we can kind of go on a journey with you and an imaginary thank you thank you for asking so where I feel most and called to be in service to you as I’m I’m bringing yoga to underserved communities I think it’s really interesting that you know we look at the book The Western version of like yoga culture that is supposed to be rooted in like thieves like carbonetic acts of service but often times like it’s just missed the most are the community sit actually are need of these holistic resources the most and I think you know as a woman of color I feel maybe I feel more confident walking into the projects are the ghettos or the hoods and just setting up my yoga mat and doing my thing and seeing who you like stops and talks to me along the way so if I had like an influx of abundance which I will I’m going to call that in right now I would probably invest and buying more yoga mats and yoga props so I can have like my little van and just go around the different projects and get us and hoods and do pop-up yoga and not charge people money for it yeah it’s something that I it’s really interesting to me like how in America we even found the way it’s like monetize off of it like a like a like a yoga practice like me but is this and I understand people have to pay their bills but I feel like for me even with like the bookstore that I work at and I’m a worker owner at is I don’t make the most money but it’s from such a deep place of service I feel like I’m the richest person in the world and I think that mentality that mentality of the abundance has really served me on my journey so if I had an influx of abundant that’s what I would do with it I would invest and my props and maybe buy a van and deck it out hippie style and just drive around to these communities and show love and show gratitude for them and it’s just that interesting to me about the communities that are in need of like the holistic resources the most are often times the ones that have the most like limited access to it and I find that deeply troubling in the starving and I want to be a part of the solution and as a woman of color who feels like they’re in the space of privilege at times I feel like I honestly would be doing a disservice to my soul and this lifetime if I did not take this role on and if I did not take it seriously well I’m giggling and tearing up right now because it’s I just love it so much and can actually I could have this thought came into my mind is this phrase that I hope you will take it and run with it if it if it drives with you because I’ve never heard it before and I don’t know if it’s you know I’m afraid to Google it cuz it’s probably already a huge movement it’s already got books and websites everything but I have never heard these two words together but in this conversation it’s like this is this is what I hope you will claim and an impacted rhysand is the words gorilla yoga or cruelly yogini it sounds like with that van is going to be all about and I know I’ve been a Guerilla Gardener and a gorilla media activist and everybody uses that word kind of tosses it around for different things and guerrilla marketing that’s a book you know it’s a whole the whole I don’t know if I called a movement but it it probably isn’t movement within marketing and I in the book is is a guerrilla tactics is just that the underdog if people aren’t familiar it’s it’s really just the archetype of people who are even America would be considered to be based on guerrilla warfare tactics because they weren’t fighting you know in marching lines and drumming and you know giving away their position they were sniping from the trees and you know we have a proud history anyone who you know worships the flag if that’s your thing you got to be paying homage to Guerrilla tactics so I love what you’re talking about and people do flash Bob yoga stuff like that so you know that if I feel like that’s going to be at least the title of this episode is now going to be gorilla yoga with survival women Jasmine and both of us kind of have like a glove for cryptocurrencies and one of the ideas that have came to my mind is decentralized Yoga right like so you don’t need a studio like you don’t like you don’t need a bank for cryptocurrency beer and yoga studio are you going to go see her right so like yeah I like this I like this movement feel like decentralized most things awesome well okay well I’m getting chills and this is just getting better and better so I will say that yeah if if you don’t mind I’d like to spend a few minutes just kind of bringing you can have to speed Indian people who are listening or going to get the the sort of real-time one of the first now actually kind of relieved through looks into what the what the survival woman project is is now really shaping up to be how the mechanics of it are looking like they’re going to work out and because you were proposition by me you know now it’s been a few months you know have just been kind of dabbling and whether or not I wanted to move forward with this and knowing that it was sort of a a my my Dharma the the focus I want it take to move forward with this is how the survival women modeling project that I feel qualified you know and hello sir. I think we first broke up relationship I’ve ever been we’re going to have a makeup conversation now and cool but yeah so so back to the survival admin thing I would like to just kind of give you the full informed consent overview in and we can get in this moment actually just share thoughts and you can really it’s it’s going to evolve to wear well I’ll just I’ll just take a little take one breast and and try to lay it out as succinctly as if in an elevator doing an elevator picture what is sometimes called stuck in elevator pitch cuz I attempted to go on with these things but I am not going to name names here but they’re there are other modeling Enterprises out there that that I think have done a great job to bring forward the the alt modeling mystique and aesthetic and I and II praise and honour all of the all of the other entrepreneurs in his face and so I’m not going to say that I’m trying to do something better be be if you know anybody down but I will say that I believe the evolution of using Electronic media to to sell and to profit from women’s bodies that it can be done in a way that is a triple bottom line benefit Corporation when when when you know all of that good sort of thumb social impact kind of thinking and and an engineering that from a technical perspective using cryptocurrency what what I’m currently literally in the middle of developing with teams of developers all over the world I’m kind of shopping around bidding projects for different development and design aspects of this but what it comes down to is that I feel that there’s there’s well-established an existing models now for you know for sure there’s something called giveth. IO which is the aetherium Smart contract based way for people to do crowd Source funding to support charitable type of works and projects all over the world for people who are unbanked and who would be marginalized and probably choked out the nonprofit sector and it’s formal sense and so really anybody with the mission and a purpose and a plan can start to connect with these platforms now that cryptocurrency based and get attention and in crowdfunding and they don’t have to do the sketchy Ico SEC kind of taunting route of the lot of people getting in trouble for it just kind of like no deliverables no investing into a future of earnings of a company or any of those those tricky legal traps but you straight up taping people and I think that the the gift economy is really proving itself out and in the Tipping economy is and you would know that an old people and a sex work in history who know people just hit and run you with hundreds of dollars are thousands of dollars as tribute for nothing like they don’t even ask you to do anything or say anything or wear anything or send them your underwear or nothing they just go away I like I like your Vibe I like your style here it is I got to run to work but like take some money in in the crypto world at the the scope of that type of tipping and gifting is is is just astronomical so I’m out there trying to wire together this website framework to create an opportunity for establish models in the high-end you know La modeling industry because they are actually very very accessible very easy and fun to work with very professional mostly and and very open-minded and I’m having great success and and luck and Fortune working with very established model some of them having tens if not hundreds of thousands of followers and social media and all it’s going to take to light this Wildfire match to bring up all of the women of the world I believe you are willing to step into this platform you know the balance that I’m trying to strike here is that if the established models of the world get on board with this platform has some of them already have enthusiastically I might add in for you know very good rates like I’m I’m paying well and and and I’m paying more than the industry standard for very established people and they also gives you know that if if all it takes is for any of them to proudly display their association with his project and that will create what I believe to be an influx of interest and enthusiasm that will very rapidly trickle-down to those people in need women around the world who have a smartphone internet connection but maybe no money and no bank and no way to comply with them whatever the other web platforms are required in a required to do so there’s already a yeah there’s already yogini in Mexico who is going to do her introduction video for this project in Spanish with subtitles and yes I feel like the the the there are other people in crypto who are pushing the limits of sexy and sex work and spankchain is is part of that you know paradigm-shifting crypto camming kind of platform building Frontier that that that New Horizon of the technological shift and and everybody goes if the Arium Geeks man there so there such sweethearts and there’s some of the most endearing men that I have seen you know at least online some of them I’ll be meeting more closely soon but I really feel like that that the 1% that that the Occupy Movement was fighting there’s a new 1% and they’re all crypto anarchists and lot of them are there Libertarians in there Circle calculus which made me cringe for a while but now I see that they need us as much as we need them and some of them are into Ayahuasca and some of them are you know into burning man and stuff like that so I really feel like you know the the frustrated desire of all of these dudes jerking off to porn and not having an authentic and legitimate connection to the women that they were pleasuring themselves to if we give them the opportunity to tip and to support and to connect with whether it’s from camming to what I believe with the survival in Project is going to be mostly G-rated family-friendly stuff works like you know let your imagination do the work like these women are not always going to be you no teasing you teasing your cock you know so I get over it but we’re bored concerned with is that we have we build a brand that is not going to be limited by XXX you know flagging online and not going to have all that just over the top stuff I’ve been there a day that is very tedious and very kind of nerve-wracking to try to have to be compliant with all that stuff so you know what that said my my proposal really now to you and you were one of the first ones again to kind of reinvigorate me on this is that you know I would love to see a transfer of power once I can bootstrap this with my own money that I make literally working in Beverly Hills in Malibu you know working on landscapes for rich clients and take taking that money in living frugally and taking the percentage of that money and put it into hiring models to get us up the ground what it will eventually lead to is a situation where through the blockchain technology the models themselves will be will be facilitating the flow of of capital through this through the platform and then to know the trip like you said ringing other people up and raising other people up to the collective collectivization of well if you know in power and privilege it’s it’s really going to get to a point where I step away almost like Satoshi and say here is the brain work and it’s like you all it’s you it’s you you’re all stitute to run with and to you so you know that’s how I protect myself from being seduced by power and being too you know having a Founder complex and stuff is that you can build a platform and you can with crypto and blockchain walk away from it and let the users really control the destiny of it as a decentralized application and it’s going to start off with a bit of centralization to to get it you know it’s it’s hatching and its wings and out of the nest and so did Bitcoin so did everything else that there is a crucial. Where you have to take on a little bit extra responsibility but but yeah you are definitely one of the you know the keys to the queendom I’m going to just like Hannah be handing them over and and that’s that’s that’s my verbal kind of Mile High verbal white paper kind of reviews how do you get if you can now take over from from where I just left off with that and let me know how you feel about that and and yeah it will we will be creating a lot of fun stuff together and in the process moving forward came to mind as he were speaking for me on for synchronicity I’ve always kind of considered myself to be really intuitive and I remember when I first started learning about cryptocurrencies I wasn’t quite sure like how it would look but I knew that this would be something that would really like set me up for the rest of my life and you know when I first start listening to your podcast and became your friend I never in a million years would think like these two things would like I’ve realized in a way that they are like overlapping so it just feels like and maybe other people can relate to this is. Like even like the sketchy times in your life like they all are like preparing you for like the next step in your journey and that really resonates with me because quite honestly like I haven’t I haven’t done camming in like 2 or 3 years and a lot of things that I share on my social media is just mean literally showing my authentic self and being myself and it’s really interesting like the people here are like kind of gravitate towards me when I am my most authentic self and so I think this is a great opportunity for other women like me who who have followings or you know or are present in in a public way to really use their their voices and there are four Mama Gaia for a bigger purpose you know especially when we talk about ecosexuality being such a hot word right now everybody wants to be in the woods hunting yeah I just think this is like it’s a beautiful ways to combine things that are really dear to my heart and dear to your heart and you need to take care of ourselves with it and sustain ourselves with that and I think everybody is deserving of this like everybody should be able to sustain yourself with what they actually care about versus what they’re supposed to be doing but I think this is a really powerful project band and I’m honored to be working on this with you well well thank you so much it means it means so much to hear you say that and yeah from the from the deepest place in my heart you know I F I wish there was a way to and I think blockchain will ultimately facilitate this where it’s like you know whatever I feel like my misdeeds have been in my mistakes and ways that I’ve wrong people and there’s no there’s definitely I I do not want to be the single point of failure for something and I feel like is it as big as in powerful and as important as everything that you have shared in this conversation which you know I don’t not trying to put myself throw myself to the Wolves as just being the privileged white boy and what not but I will say that you know whatever whatever we’re agreeing on as being truth about the the duty to step up and and B are true authentic sexual cells and serve nature and help to dismantle patriarchy and and all these things you know I guess I’ve said to people before that in this lifetime I can honestly say that you know I have been abused and tortured and molested and raped and oppressed and incarcerated and in a lot of the ways that that women have and I won’t say women of color but I will say that bike in this life I didn’t have the ball games and barbecues that a lot of men take for granted and I didn’t have a lot of the same so I am a I am a gender traitor I don’t consider myself in transition in the enemy way of you know that I and I don’t I don’t have them not no value judgments on that whatsoever but I will say that I really I really do want to have the power Dynamic and the the what are they call it the the the shift of the financial power the the sort of yeah this this Tipping Point of men acknowledging their weaknesses and also being genuine about their help a Cherokee has wounded them and also handing the keys to the kingdom over and letting the women lead and and to some extent where appropriate collectively govern and that let there be a safe form of financial and sexual matriarchy that is going to be necessary for men to kind of ketchup and he’ll Andre wire and really earn public like we we failed with political dominance in sexual dominance sake that there’s no question about that so we need to go in time out and if there’s you no mercy for us as our Doms might you know Grant this effort time to time then we will be given a chance to to rise to the occasion but they’re really does need to be a male ego surrendering and so you know I just want to know put that out there so when haters and people that want to attack me and tell me I’m not qualified as I just want to be like hey look I’m just the messenger you know you can shoot me if you want I got to do it right somebody has to do the work so I think you are amazing for stepping up to the plate and doing the word yeah and you know I think that’s an honest conversation that people need to have Bell hooks off Austin says you know women and men have both been wounded by patriarchy and and as I was walking would like to say time for Democratic womanism hand over the key right on well we definitely touching a lot of synchronicity here and I will say that my I’m trying I will be speaking lesson listening more and there will be more of me just having a sweet smile at being a security guard and a sort of technical sort of them just backing and supporting yeah wait for for women’s voices to be heard and and the Beautiful projects that you are working on to be to be seen and adored and and also break down a lot of that pretty privilege stuff I would love for Elder I mean there will be as many types of diverse body types and facial structures and makeup no makeup hair no hair whatever it’s all really the depth of and I I I believe that we are able to see Beauty Beyond the beauty myth in and we just need to be exposed to a more mmmm the radiance of women in their Crone years and women who are BBW all that stuff is all what we what we yearn for is that diversity and at texture of life in every different body type and every different appropriate age and all that good stuff so yeah let’s sew with all that. Yeah you we really did me a huge favor to like bear with me to 2 to hear all this and I wanted to bow down and bail out a bit and say please do meet us out of this of this podcast with perhaps you know what whatever is on your mind whatever you feel like I’m sharing from from your heart and then if you’d be so kind as to kind of clothes with you with your meditative black girl affirming prayer magic and the podcast women that’s like tactics the kindest rough like they’re their heteronormative monogamous relationships as a distraction I used to work Primal several times to reference like a emotions like jealousy but instead of using the word Prime alumni replace that with the word ego-driven because I think it’s really important to acknowledge because I actually I think being Primal very healthy and a lot of ways and it’s something that we should be more into tapping into you that I’m going to use the word ego and not Primal and I don’t think I could like walk away this without saying bye House of the firming I spell black BLK because I think that the way black is spell and like our culture black kind of like is this unspoken connotation as if black is lacking something but actually black is desorption of all colors that I like Blk and then girl is g i r l a n d white girlfriend name and yeah it’s already been I’m going to invite you to find a comfortable seat once again and to just really begin to focus on those shorter in Hell’s and those longer X house grounding here to this moment with gratitude and love and gratitude for the internet to help us create community that we wouldn’t have if it if it was not for so thank you Ben thank you so much yes we will be in touch very soon and everybody stand by for the forthcoming launch of the survival woman.com spelled w o y let me write that down and I will start it over again it will be it will be one second and today is July 8th today is July 12th and my goal is to have a beta testing version of the website survival woman.com up in the next few weeks and that’s Survival spell normally and women spelled w o m b y a.com so survival and that will be up soon and you will be featured as one of the first and yeah one of the first models on that website and we will have some very fun content going and we will also be yeah eventually hey I think was probably going to happen is that the survival woman will have its own podcast and maybe you will be one of hopefully many hostesses to bring that like I would love to just put your facilitate that that part of the platform as well so I sent it to think about half your debt if you want to be in that kind of role as well so yeah alright well then let’s call it a podcast and we’ll be in touch very soon thank you so much again Jasmine and yeah have a wonderful rest of your gorilla yogini afternoon what’s a good day. 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In this episode I have an invigorating conversation with activist and feminist pornographer Pandora Blake. We discuss the shady politics of repression of sexual expression. While there are many reasons to feel defeated and demoralized in the struggle for sexual and artistic liberation, Pandora provides a lot of strength and hope that a proud, empowered, uncompromising, pornographic revolution will prevail.
Pandora Blake is a feminist pornographer, sex worker and sexual freedom campaigner. Her films have won multiple international awards and her website Dreams of Spanking has survived legal battles against porn censorship in the UK.
Pandora is an active campaigner for sex work decriminalisation and labour rights, obscenity law reform, civil liberties and human rights, particularly relating to freedom of expression, gender, sexuality and privacy. She is official spokesperson for Backlash, which defends freedom of sexual expression among consenting adults in the UK, and organises
alongside the Open Rights Group and the English Collective of Prostitutes. An experienced public speaker, Pandora regularly appears on panels and gives talks and media interviews. She runs a Patreon to support her unpaid activism and political work.
As a sex worker and porn-maker, Pandora works passionately to increase social and legal acceptance of marginalised sexualities, educate the public about kink and BDSM, and reduce stigma and shame. She was awarded Publicist of the Year at the Sexual Freedom Awards 2015 for her efforts advocating for sex workers’ rights and against porn censorship. She is currently working on a book about the politics and psychology of fantasy, particularly the ones we don’t dare admit to in public.
Her pornographic films are story-driven and gender-critical, exploring kinky fantasies via a queer erotic gaze. She is the sole owner and operator of Dreams of Spanking, which launched in 2011, faced government censorship for its unapologetic depiction of consensual BDSM, and successfully appealed against closure by the UK porn regulator in 2016.
Her work has won awards including Best BDSM Scene 2015 at the Feminist Porn Awards, and first prize in the 2015 Short Film Competition at the Berlin Porn Film Festival. Her production ethos is performer-centric, and prioritises transparency, explicit performer consent, and equal pay for equal work.
Pandora writes a blog on kink, porn and politics, and you can follow her on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.
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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to times for fun podcast episode number 109 I am doing an interview with Pandora Blake a sexual freedom campaigner and feminist pornographer in the UK and I’m really excited to go on a journey of expiration of some of the the challenges unique challenges of being a feminist born producer what the the ideology is and some of the obstacles that come up with the law and with people on all spectrums of of politics who have who aren’t yet converted to the beauty of enjoying feminists so that’ll be exciting cuz that’s your Forte so would you would you please Pandora tacos and talk to us a bit about your life path that led up to your playing these roles in the world I mean I didn’t even know it was possible I’m sorry my background is so I can keep them I started kind of expressing myself benign my teens and if a relationship 6 touring BDSM I’ve always appreciated having access to pool and I remember when I was a kid and I knew that was having kinky found assistant couldn’t make sense of them and I had loads of Shame and a new account open in about them and then being able to go online and find some of the phone is being made and kind of be late 90s any notice and realized I wasn’t there any one of the planets you like this stuff it was like it was really a fan positive people have when they grow up into politics and social justice and then yeah when I was an apprentice I was in an abusive relationship and I was talking to my partner about how I really wanted to be in some of the some of the spanking websites I was looking at because that’s one of my biggest things that we were doing together a lot in that relationship and he said but why don’t you you know you could Yorkie enough and you can act and I just had to cut to me that I might be a candidate for the encouragement I kind of found my way to doing some performance various kind of European and UK fetish sites as assets of performer I loved it like love that it was like wait you mean I get to dress up in fancy costumes and do the stuff like a real place I left you a home and I get paid you kidding me and I’m really into kind of seems and my sister just be happy for me so I can buy my own Partners along and do things with them so I wasn’t even having to walk with Strange’s I was going to walk with my Apartments so yeah Lobster up and it was fun doing some of the other guys doing it wasn’t sexy so like for a while I was trying to make it in Austin and yeah and while this was happening I was kind of getting more engaged with all the six educating myself about different things to do with kind of social justice and gender sexuality and gradually coming to this kind of Consciousness that maybe all though I had a great time in the Box I’ve been doing know all of this to you guys. I’ve walked with maybe had the best body of work from a soda gender politics suspected United very few of the produces I’d watchful had any models that one white cisgender skinny women that was no one shooting trans and non-binary people mad very few people even shooting and you know they would be some kind of role plays at times have to say no to cuz I just found a greedy roast like I don’t want to play a wife and her credit card and they when I would have been interesting than that but yeah I did Stephanie to get a sense that maybe some of some of these sentences with maybe coming from Apollo 600 Texas some money even though I was very badly treated badly about experiences and they were with really very small street is a very She & Him most of them because they still driving like you know I mean you have to treat your phone as well to 268 at nine people night and one of the things I identify pretty quickly was I’m bisexual and I like to look like male what is in Boise loss of the pool and I was saying like it was only really focusing on the female body is an object of sexual desire I’m going to stop at the educated myself about feminist pool and I was seeing this pattern repeated you know a lot of feminist poem being lesbian porn and so will. It’s being shocked from a female perspective and come to Italy versus gaze at the lens it doesn’t look any different from being shot from Head Resort from alpha Pack’s if you are still lovingly pining over these 7 in cups and I feel it’s the in order to stop to you really got some balance hey we needed to start shooting mail what is a sexy right so I’ll be sure to happen very produces have been doing this but in spanking those we know one doing it apart from a couple of gay sites to look into it and realize how extreme that kind of straight guy segregation was in the BDSM Community light in the UK unqualified to be like everything to do with find angle with a mint was anything with a female submissive so like GoGo might be included in that that’s not considered to be queer right because straight yet but if you’ve got a male submissive been committed by women by 9 then like male Studios the male bloggers the mail pass you can become aware if you wear Dynamics why I went to a spanking party in America that would be all these guys who would be wearing a dumb batch you know you got bad showing orientation and they be riding with the top bad and then they come up in 5 and they’re going to switch you know why is that secret it’s up to you if they know that you’re you’re a switch and I realize how deep this Prejudice cards you know it’s not Justin Bieber sound like that doesn’t offer a lot of him if I be against bisexual male mainstream Point form is you know if a man works with men and women there a lotof Regal Studios you weren’t hired them yeah yeah it’s it’s such an interesting gray area the whole double penetration no experience cuz he see that’s kind of hard to escape rubbing your penis against another man’s penis and I know yeah well that’s in membrane between the anus and the vagina much protection interesting isn’t so yeah I started to cut a critique a lot of the poem that I was saying and thank well I want to do something about this so she’s hanging in 2009 and I developed this concept of a site that didn’t segregate on the basis of orientation so it had female submission male submission meldonium male Mastiff female female stuff everything will enter one brief I didn’t want to kind of follow this received wisdom that all you’re going to lose your mail straight customers because they called back to see any gay stuff guys I’m sorry that was possible and then yes. About what else I want to do differently so yes she psa’s for sure she trans before missed right from the beginning like when I launched into it a Transformer that’s been the right from the start I’m done discriminate based on body type but he size skin color anything like that and fat as well I was shocked when I discovered in the UK in the BDSM scene on spanking phone scene to be paid asshole yeah even it says something like yeah so is that performing this really quite intense physical Ada Vox but the thing is that they is being sold to them like a free session with a dominatrix so they think they’re getting a good deal they would you think it’s worth that but the Corolla rail I will you get that is that those guys aren’t professionals they probably have a job they can’t show that face so they are in a little something and that just this like inanimate objects in the scene while the women is like posing for the camera and you don’t get any interaction between two contacts of the intimacy and if I’m watching a woman dominating man I want to see you last thing so I want him to be sexy as well I want him to be present when the cameras look at him I don’t want them to be focused on each other not one of them ignoring the other kind of so fat pay was one of the first principle there’s like if I’m going to get good Mouse house and I’m going to need to pay for it and what I discovered was that that was not a BDSM. Mulholland in the UK because no one has previously offered pay and so I was hoping to recruit from light that uses and the fastest team United like my friends like me out in the clubs and stuff and be like yeah it’s kind of given them a bit of a head start yeah and so but pay transparency fact hey they pay men and women the same you know it should you know it’s definitely a lot less cuz you’re not considered equal in the cell then the labor is different you know that your body is being put into a lot more stress you are more likely to experience abrasions like you’re going to be sore after being penetrated like is it hard work and so I do have different pay scales the bottoms and tops receiving a bee sting like a bee come back every day so I do. I do have based on how hot the job is but there’s no difference well this is going to end up being a reality TV show one of the top networks for dirty jobs or toughest jobs in Boston have you got that would be home and let you know the what it’s hot is a lot. No positive it’s cool so I had diarrhea since I went to two different name alone Society in 2011 the thing poster Tracy McCormick rolls like royalty you know I like trying to just reading that in times of working conditions and be ready humble and I can do feedback I like constantly looking to improve my game and Times of being super transparent giving formula to control denied being super chill about light respecting their preferences and not pressuring them requesting them and their experience are you fly like as a priority over the content I was guessing like really going to get basket that way around rather than that we had to get this no matter what it takes and I always say like if you want to know if I don’t ask me on the site right from the start like video you know I need the cameras running when someone calls cops and then you know I did not into the outtakes don’t just have the funny outtakes but like someone close cut how did the conversation that I made you feel good about it you know and show that The View that because of the phone right then Frank should like end of scene interviews you know that can go come to you and it was all like a great happy smiley videos of the end at the end of sheets that I didn’t enjoy and it’s like you’ve not been paid yet you haven’t signed a release yet is another bit of accent do you have to do to kind of be allowed to leave so you’re like yeah I had a great time this is fantastic and it doesn’t really tell you anything where is very smart and if they see the kind of you know you like interactions that happen between takes and just to kind of you know with people leaving around and having a great time that that tells you something and that’s much less likely to be active then someone speaking to the Cameron answering direct questions about like did you have fun music was I had fun you know that what you going to say no you’re not going to do that live on camera in 2011 and is Riyadh what every week with a bunch of sat behind the scenes video Russia flag in for the first year I was going to pay that much but had to do otherwise I might as well but you know like a try to take it seriously. Hyde some assistance. Just three years ago to the point where I was really happy with it I have the traffic I once had I had two cells I once said I could pay all my staff good Wright’s what I’ve been doing since the beginning but when I fast hide stuff I can’t afford to pay myself because I was paying them so I can pay them I like to pay me that there is money left over to pay me and I felt like I was getting so I wait for my work so that would be ideal but then got shot on a minute so you decided to yes. In a way that ultimately Cripple Creek business wow okay so that’s and that’s not this new bill that that was something else and they target you specifically or what what would what exactly was that factor that I just been choosing a whole bunch of new stuff with a colleague likes that stuff kinky sex stuff and we got together with all of us and show it was stuff that we like to do just in time script and it was really cool like really kind of hot rough sex and then like a couple of weeks I said they introduce this new Statue instruments that wasn’t even a parliamentary act like it didn’t get the bass hit it was just like a department pick up magic just produced it without any kind of price a painting that leaves marks kind of erotic choking V sting female ejaculation kind of wanting to do this like documentary showing Aquarius Xbox to the world so the neighbors like now you can still hasn’t been published for this reason and so it was a little bit but the reason all that stuff blessed with that in the UK we have this thing called the British border film classification and they classify films for Cinema release on DVD in 1518 for thoughtful and in the US the same is like 12 15 18 and then there’s this one goes all right team which is the one for like real sex like actual pulling people having sex but just like a sex scene was staged all right pain really doesn’t include much else other than real sex so if anything’s got any fetish material in that it won’t get classified even is already paying a release or dvd release me so it’s like the vanilla standard operating in a relatively kind of free environment and then in 2014 they decided to close that loophole and make it even say that now will the classification guidelines ulcer flights the internet so they already had a list of an old list of activities that wouldn’t have been able to be approved if it was the film where a DVD in that didn’t yet technically have the verbage on the on the books to include internet but that and and what was the Catalyst for that would you say someone is regulations 2014 and it piggybacked off Annie you know about audio visual Media Services of the EU Louis men’s to be about basically it says the online streaming services have to comply with the laws in a local country so it’s like your day was you couldn’t have Netflix showing stuff which like the BBC couldn’t show write it because it was published Ibis he’s still having a plywood details of that was like it was meant kind of competition local National Broadcasting Service why do they put out a business by the Internationals individual EU member states and none of the other countries like did they swear that this is just the UK who would like oh well we could also make sure that you have to comply with the BBC FC classification guidelines 2014 guidelines are based on you and it’s complicated but you know depends on President and so it was decades ago the recent KC Donut Lowell and the story of addicts and men’s velour currently is Health being what you could reasonably be prosecuted and charged with like if someone was recently requested for doing something when you come for the King Soopers doing that thing and they had been a case in 2012 and like I’ve been prosecuted for like selling gay fisting and gave me the assignment watersports DVDs and a jury UK people have seen that and been like know this isn’t it seem like a nice way of saying you know which perspective the right people want to watch it to watch that and say that case President should have meant that those acts would be considered for the PDF see God lines written years before. And I haven’t been updated with the chaos the case law has changed so it’s like wait you’ve got this list it’s like 10 is out of date with the case law and you’re playing at the internet which is like a whole new medium without even thinking that you should maybe bring it up-to-date with the current law in the country of what is considered the same it just seemed really frente read I see you guys you just saying so would that did that affect only UK producers or would that also affect I guess the whole point was for it to filter or to penalize content anywhere sourced from anywhere in the world that was being yeah that was accessible within the UK right so that that put a lot of pressure on another Studios and other websites that were yeah some what question with at least act like I’m like what the what the intention of the original EU law was but I certainly wasn’t intentional for UK interpretation of it yeah and so now moving moving forward to the the digital economy hack that actually would you want to start with or you want to get into that or do you have more to say about your the path of your website that gave us we should know what what how you adapted to that what you’re so basically I was investigated it was really obvious to me that I was the only spankings lights be investigated because I was being so I can talk to my head above the parapet and because I’ve been criticizing Baby Max 2014 website if they found me and breach which of the following must have been part of my family so I have like six months they found me and breach of a bunch of rules that have any content stuff and some other stuff and I have to pay my flight offline by this deadline and that was awesome deadline by which I have to file an appeal if I was going to appeal does running on behind the scenes drafting a pale I had legal help from backlash he would like her Freedom organization and my friend miles Jackman who is the kind of Topics in the UK light help me out with that as well but won’t let the appeal have been sent off the website taken offline I can let you have to just pull the plug and it was like you couldn’t hold of the file we had to break all of your El Paso case anyone have the oral stage light was it saves it was a lot of work and you couldn’t access anything anymore I then just have to sit on my hands for 10 months and wait to hear the results of my pill so for 10 months my websites the thing that I noticed any traffic and when I found out, so I said I’d won my appeal and I could reopen the site I like the business was right back where I’d been at the beginning so it was a moral Victory but in times of light my you know business item best years of my life into and thousands of pounds you know it was a didn’t believe me and if I could place on the one hand I got to publish a whole bunch of content which I thought I was never going to get published the one of the things that really you know when I said it’s offline was like I had a Year’s worth of content already paid for I already saw that could now publish I couldn’t get my money back from everybody but I said I was at risk of just lose the entire day so when I found I could be a pain I was like right yes this is a victory against the sunset going to reopen I’m going to stop publishing this content but I would like to know what I’m not going to published anymore because I feel like it’s quite unstable I’m sure enough like four weeks I got headlight of a tiny window think it’ll feel good about my situation after finding out who won my pill and then if it’s looking to be building table to Parliament for the summer recess I would quit I realize I was going to be like when I forgotten because my pillow lawsuit against me from collections but it didn’t exempt me from a future bills around 1 and I was just going to reassure you that anything could be classifiable whatever me ask you this is this is kind of a strategy that has been employed in in different contexts just to circumvent jurisdictional constraints and I’m just wondering if you would I know it would have been a probably be devastating to your brand to have to do this but given the climate it seems like the talent that you the talent that you’ve cultivated with the skill set to produce this art medium and the network that you have of performers did you ever think about her or do you think now about kind of either producing stuff and then licensing it to other countries or actually going leaving the country to contract with other the other producers or Studios where you could sort of just yet circumvent that that that just occurred last year has been sort of wrapping up the dreams of spanking projects because it would let you know my baby is labor of love is like with pus on the bus to go to buy Graffiti like it was really important to me and I haven’t been given the permission to sort wind up and publish the stuff I’d already shot for it I wanted to do that I wanted to get complete with that but in the future yeah I think like licensing stuff for the produces a definite something I want to do and like what is the director of the higher we oversee Studios exactly something I want to do but for the last chair light Jesus thinking I’ve been updating every week even though it hasn’t been making any money cuz my traffic like with a thought of what it was and sales were really low in my ice like stuff that I’d appreciate her going to other way so I was right back in like sausage made of just be like to have done this once already trying to stop over there if it wasn’t paying my rent so I had to kind of pay the rent and then while the oldest is going on you know I’m doing the time in this I was off-line the conversation around this look on Me Bill and particularly the policy that is really devastating beauty content is a traffic citation becoming mandatory for online phone in the UK and I had some time of educating myself coming a bit of a sort of expert in what is revocation for lane pool and would mean how it was that kind of evidence for and against it kind of like a 10000 watt consultations the government when they kind of opened it for like evidence of missions install and kind of fundraiser to try and get a bit of money back to the community in exchange for the casing on the bus so then when I’m doing physical work I’m painting now and so it was done just this light long slot for like the last year has been trying to run a membership site and sexual acts like on money and also do they just got the kissy all the while knowing that if you know we don’t succeed in all our goals with the fiscal complaining that the site is going to have a future so it’s been a tough time and visual economy Bell is just to make the end of it passes through Parliament I just did a massive update yesterday on the latest amendments and we just had an actual amounts in the UK yesterday’s it looks like it’s going to be rushed really quickly now if it passes a tool sorry it’s going to be play within a couple of weeks going to look like an old wax I’ve been doing for the last year’s to try and buy some bottles around different things they’re going to fax sex while kissing freedom of expression in different ways you know we’re going to find out pretty soon to what extent that paid off what do you think that timelines going to be in pass cuz I ask for the election okay well so it’s a big deal is there anything people can do now is there any kind of call to action to put pressure on anyone in the and the government to I mean I’m just curious what kind of rallying is happening around it especially now that seems like it’s kind of an Abrupt end on Friday which is really saying and some of the Amendments that we’ve managed to get through in the House of Lords about example the we managed to get the clothes about the B-52 have the content removed in the bell and replaced with just saying you couldn’t have any pool in the country illegally extreme pool which is a really narrow definition that most of his life that’s reality and animals and it just comes to me like to drape so that could cover consensual BDSM and serious injuries to a Nespresso genitals which could come a confederal BDSM but that’s a much smaller list of stuff is not allowed so you can basically say that you single-handedly or you and your your network of sexual Freedom campaigners basically protected the legal right to do fish sitting right on the Internet is supposed to be like to be reactive on this but yeah I mean I kind of thing after I’ve listened like 7 evidence submission and I’ve seen some of that weddings. To come up in the debates I think it has submitted a small difference which is nice feeling like it better than it will be for nothing amendment is now up for criticism on Friday and Dez Losa Christian anti-gay organizations were going to oppose the amendment so all of this work is like Bixby does Master Chief risk being undone on Friday only women know how to please other women and it makes them jealous is that what they’re felt it’s really it’s really pathetic and in that’s absurd is staying in on falak E Noor to the Safeway to have sex like if you don’t mind where to buy HIV rash kiwi good for them to learn about and realized that kind of on the menu because it’s much less risk of like guys in pregnancy so yeah I mean a lot of love by the Creek community and so it doesn’t surprise me that a Christian organization cat cold that have funds to conferences which promoted a confession comes like he’s going to be able to bring back that you can’t have this thing that does not surprise me at all but yeah sorry we need to write to arm piece I guess I’m trying to find someone and ask him is when I stand up and say no I think this amendment is good thing but it’s very hard to find parliamentarians willing to back by the poker face even consensual bond that pullover fee well it’s interesting cuz you can I mean I have a different I have a diverse array of perspectives on all this stuff but it certainly is a double standard to allow for especially having just the amount of violent acts the murder and in gun violence and everything that you would see on any mainstream all the video games all of the TV shows you know anything goes for all that kind of violence and then if there’s one drop of pleasure mix with the violence it becomes satanic and their minds in a sectional couch with her that I think I sterilized you know it’s hard as hell to difference. Ended light because Game of Thrones is officially end time it made it or not pornographic they can show you like beatings and right lower the stacks but the moment you have that on a website that’s intended to arouse suddenly that becomes an acceptable it’s like WellPoint is entertainment and there’s nothing wrong with getting aroused by something that doesn’t mean you can donate it just means that you’re having a reaction that seems like a really is so wouldn’t in any of the debate around for mixed content of these things that I could be a fantasy role-play pretends they assume the oil be a time is like a recording of domestic violence like that’s how they took it okay that I cared so that’s the Lacerta linchpin of the argument so it was is there some clear distinction legally between I’m basically based on what you just said that that the free sample of Game of Thrones being permissible but other forms not is it because it’s a certain production value of the studio over because they have better lawyers are going to have to win that it’s meant to be like if the whack it’s only a prince play produced the purpose of sexual arousal what is the head seems like you know there’s other legal standards where you would have to just for a lot of things they would say if x if x percentage of the time duration of a unit of media is going to be so does that mean you just have to have more dialogue and then it becomes narrative but because it’s on his website that calls itself a pool inside I don’t know I think the double-sided is very hard to defend I’m not interested in trying to defend it like I think I’d like to make sure you’re not there you go that’s a good way to look at it and we should just be great paying sexual content will wonder if you could if you start calling at anthropological ethnography and protected as part of the academic freedom to the government over the ivms she successfully one herpe on the basis that was a feminist article for Jax because I saw it was about you know punishing men with the patriarchy subscribe to the rhetoric in order to have a right to sex while cuz you know we won’t be one is fed as I expected to be listen to four agencies be respected so I can send to be on it and rice. Dismissed is irrelevant and we want that to play the old tax records because it’s the people who’d wouldn’t know how to use the language if maybe most need those rights right yeah this is well with them we need more academic feminist to get in the game and start to help with the lawmaking and counter legislation and you know what some feminist Alliance beside right with all of these laws are coming from Auntie’s Xbox feminism like the denial letters I just don’t really care but it’s the women who think the old poem is degrading will put his violent with X back is traffic hanging who advocated a slight passionately time time again and the guy at the mail at least he’s getting viruses going with it maybe you’re right and there’s no strong female voice being like sex like is why we have the right to consent to what we do without anybody’s you know if you have a problem with Colossus Xbox challenge policy don’t tell him if I can go through mechanisms and sex is not shameful we can have a sexy want to have yeah I know what could be more of a not only harm reduction but also just a radical feminist paradigm shift to say that hey if you want to if you don’t want to work for the man and you and you choose to be a sex worker you can make more money and have better pay and better working conditions to make queer porn with female feminist porn producers then having being pimped out made my decision is this black but in the meantime you know a little put up because of trying to do our own weapon conditions come painting and set some standards in a community standards but then it really would like a recognition well yeah this is this is again just feeling that it would be great to hopefully for the people who were invested in this to to do more Outreach to get to more traditional feminist organizations to support this. The debate you know I think that’s a really valuable things to do right to your female legislators try and get them on the side and rib pain from festivals that has so many now and they show such radical be used for Creative Innovative intimate films to find employment Hub and realize how many possibilities there is River City media to be truly gorgeous and human unpack your phone if you care about this then you can just leave each of the three sites which you know you’re exploiting fullness and take you back in a few industry you needs to put money where your mouth is and guy said the Indy produces who is making the ethical stuff and support them very beautiful yeah I’m so there with you I’m glad I’m glad we got to put out some some call to actions and I likes to say that if everybody follow me on Facebook and I said $1 each a month then I can go full-time and knocks the best waxes people can chip in $1 at $5 a month whatever they think they can afford it all adds up because I’m is distributed is chameleons have one person cancel the subscription and still supported by a nice time to the people and I every other guy pays for the day of my time so it labels me to take time off from having to do paint watch in order to do that was important to me right on you know what that makes me wonder are you do you listen to Susie Q and the horror cast yeah I’ve have you considered asking her to be a guest on the show I’m sure she would love to promote your efforts yeah please do I just been binge listening I’ve caught up on almost all of the episodes of the last several years and I feel that she absolutely is the the superhero in of the sex work industry and now she’s playing a very powerful important role in the Free Speech Coalition professionally so I think we’re going to see the changes that were talking about the Coalition building and the bridge building a between the camps of feminism and certainly there’s just so much more in my opinion I’m seeing that the the political climate if you will in the United States is is bringing people together in a new way so it’s this is the time this is a like a window of opportunity to really steal those collisions because people now steal the threats that the intersectionality of feminism is now turning into a a major pile-up it’s such a disaster this situation is is going to get people out of their bubbles you know big time and then if I back. It’s so depressing I mean we have to go in there so fast is happening people like why do I need to leave the country and I was like no I shouldn’t have to use my homie. I’m hardly ever Miss hanako family cuz I know it’s like well maybe we could all leave myself oh yeah you got to establish the Island of Lesbos to serve Renaissance an actual nation of of queer feminist pornographers maybe get a get a ship in and be an international waters you know I just get a cruise ship and bring all the the queerdos together and you know outside of international waters Irving outside of any national boundary so that she could be a and we’re actually hosting a new camp this year is no way which is the white Regional bun you know you like the bunny man they have like yeah end of the count that we’re coasting it is cooled re acuerdo say we’re going to be doing a bit and create a kind of Oasis Of Love. well right on well yeah I would say you know it is the Free Speech Coalition cover is covering all of these important legal challenges facing the entire adult industry and so I would definitely say that you probably I Don’t Need No it’s it’s I will be a good a good move to yes so we’ve got a few minutes left here to to talk about I like I said like to it’s kind of a in a warm down a bit from that the intensity is building up you know and and just talk a little bit about well how about a bit about how we can Empower people to 2 BND pornographers because the more people are out there doing their you know becoming joining the movement artistically the more the more space there will be and then the more constituents there will be two to vote for the stuff Southeast us and I am feeling poets by the Sea get you something but yeah I mean in cameras and lights you can be youtiful cinematic stuff on an iPhone and not show light I’ve seen phone screen to point festivals that are showing in iPhone I mean you have to be a nerd right you know I mean something that is itself you have to be comfortable with software willing to install stuff and read documentation and teach yourself how to use it but if you ever fooled around in Photoshop then you’ll be able to pick up Adobe Premiere Pro Final Cut pretty easily like if you have any visual graphic artists sang or if you’ve ever used like oh. C o n e o d i just like you know it’s just one extra Dimension from that so if you’re the sort of person he’s fooled around of the computer making stuff before then you’ll find pool in quite easy today I’m self-taught like I never learned how to do video editing for anyone else yeah I said that you had definitely the the technology is more accessible and it only gather the entry-level the barrier to entry with the technology is almost non-existent sick the power is in everyone’s pocket is indeed I you just need to have an internet connection and it helps if you’re a bit of an Internet resident you know like if you spend a lot of time on social media already you know how that works cuz I mean in deep one of his rely on social media to get Silas is do the marketing and see if you’re coming to the house without you knowing that you could help us and he’s like an offline person I think you might struggle to get of you is if you already like live on Twitter and I’m glad that you will do fine right well that’s okay so that’s that’s a some good point of questions there is it a I am very cautious about breaking United States federal laws and being in compliance with all these complex layers of legalese that you you know really it’s it comes down to a lot of it is a form of digital entrapment really if you produce content you know and if you don’t have even if you do have a really high and lawyer there’s a lot of moving targets and there’s a lot of vague language and in the laws and then now there’s a there’s States within the us that are starting to take actions similar to what you’re you’re dealing with were there would be a major game-changing requirements to you know you can’t just put something up on the web because if it’s at all accessible that one yeah which was which was luckily I brought down but there’s there’s there’s new stuff coming up that similar that would be making it so that you would have to you would have to have a huge budget to hand code or to create custom code there’s no one has like a module that meets the specifications of these new laws that could you just plug in your your WordPress module and it complies instantaneously with whatever is happening that’s a long way off so it’s going to be no so I guess the question is really what do you it’s a different landscape obviously legally and inflict and what not but just even the ethical stuff about age verification and and being able to show the world that porn producers ethically minded feminist minded are are doing their best to keep content out of the eyeballs of minors and obviously be compliant with doing good record-keeping and verifying the age of performers in 1 hour to rationalize even if you’re working with your love is new friends new probably all going to be like exchange paperwork at Contract Heidi Schultz keep records if you use the big kind of video on mine sites like hipster style then they’ll handle all of the legal stuff for you so you aren’t I mean for the content stuff in the UK like people investigated Patient First on Pocket Edition economy growth rings in HB Navy requirements to and it’s very hard for small produced to Ford cuz you have to pay per visit at your side and most people don’t want to send her style of the traffic that’s how it’s going to work okay well I got it I just want to zoom in on that for a second so there are they creating a a registry where you the traffic to your website each person would have to go through their sort of a guy or just be interested in chasing profit know it’s going to be free market they’ve got a whole bunch of like private companies who’ve already developed IV solution for the Navy stations on Mickey lights there’s nothing to make sure that they respect you as a courtesy what time would I need to take a database if you know it will the sites that use of his looks hadn’t what they paid for and then like as high as well. They ceballos like my name so yes you’re going to be liable to make sure they’re not going to take that’s the other quote you know if a hacking is the biggest give me the Ashley Madison one resulted in suicide mindgeek Padres have to breach so yeah it’s very worrying and then you know style produces being penalized at once recognized by the cost of this another ones were being regulated by government was just saying we’ve written an IV solution you need to use it it’s free will be like well okay cool but instead I have to force my site visitors to use in Secure Solutions organized like everything I have to pee like 10 times more than I’m currently running an income from sales on doing that like no thank you what is the the are you from so I’m I’m I’m not as educated about this is is say probably eventually will be as I continue to produce content but I have been using the strategy that that you kind of mention which would be to Outsource the legal liability to web platforms that are establishing that do have all of that third-party record-keeping options you click a box in the I do webcamming to so anyone who’s a cam performer will it it to an extent I mean there’s any anybody could come under scrutiny technically in certain ways but for the most part you know it’s it’s well it’s the whole webcamming thing basically is a gray area that doesn’t have its its operating in a massive from anyway yeah and then I guess the question I have is said the around the. XXX domain standard and I feel like there’s this is very vague to me now but I I just feel like what this could eventually evolve to if the if the the big players in the industry they might have to become somewhat socialistic or so much communistic and in a sense of well maybe the thing to do is to create that top-level XXX domain space or something like that where the porn all of the porn that’s produced in the world is is somehow survived from a sector of the internet that is kind of a centralized is that scary but in a way I feel like the the international coalitions of adult content producers could probably you know I guess make a sort of the same concept of an insurance the way Insurance works time to do this in two minutes to take to conceive after so much, you know like an old poem is on XXX XXX are made by the way let you know how much they cost expensive things like 10 times more than adult cam XXX like me needs one pressing the button for an individual countries just like we just got to find it you know that pain is much more than what if it has to be said everything has it all over the place and I don’t want that segregation light but you’re right that we do need International standards the idea of local government imposing local censorship and going to bring an ISP blocking besides that don’t comply with the various roles that introduces of the government is just going to stop buying porn sites that it doesn’t like from being viewed it in the UK a tool you know light in the same way that China and Saudi Arabia and Iran control that internet like I thought we might be a free country so I just think that we need to start developing resilience Solutions a distribution enough to resist that kind of effort United everybody needs to be using a VPN for stars I’m quite interested in Kind of Night by posting like as not going to accept Bitcoin and things about him being with Lion on like the Visa and MasterCard regulations is it was a logical person to ship that controls pool and we kind of con Sal like these are muscadine except I need money for any files of videos that increase blood stop music on have any menstrual pain Eva where is if we start to kind of Branch out and when not putting all your eggs in one basket let me know it’s hosty relying on any individual platform will not tell Siri that an individual billing provider we not talk to anyone TLC but we kind of spreading out then we’re going to be able to weather the storm a lot better yeah well I always think about to get blockchain I don’t know it’s so do you know much about that or no I’m not an expert on bitcoin a total is so stupid, like I said we have to have it running well it’s it’s cute it’s not it’s very scalable system it seems to me and hope that we can get you plenty of funding to continue with all the great work you’re doing and I would love to see you connect with the FSC the Free Speech Coalition because I think you would be a great asset to their efforts and they would they would probably fight together I mean before Millions is like you said That’s the Way Forward show all right all right well yeah let’s you go for for the David thank you so much Pandora I learned so much and that will definitely be in touch and good luck with everything when shaving it when it’s out alright thanks take care thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. 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In this episode, I’m joined by fellow tantric cultural healing activist/artist/instructor Ix-Chel Sandivel. We explore her personal path of tantric healing and empowerment, her works of cultural healing activism, her unique intensive initiation for women, her recent music video release, and her future vision of touring the world as a tantric stage performer.
We compare notes on our journeys within and beyond the entertainment industry and discuss the potential of mainstreaming tantra through our creative works.
iX-CheL Sandivel is an intimacy artist & transformational coach. She is passionate about creating safe, expansive and exquisite experiences that allow the human spirit to evolve into new levels of ecstatic awareness, confidence and self love through her art, coaching and psychic intuitive readings. As a Source Tantra Yoga Associate & Certified Advanced Tantra Educator, she leads events for men & women based on Tantra with a contemporary twist. Tantra is a conscious ceremonial lifestyle full of yogic arts, mediations, rituals and techniques. This eastern philosophy allows human beings to increase their intuition, awareness, confidence and connect with their inner most innate truth, wisdom and personal cycles.
A very active child, running became the outlet for her to express her infinitely passionate will, determination, and focus. Nationally ranked in the 10,000 meters, and a former Nike elite sponsored runner, iX-CheL became her own healer to compete again at the elite level, after being injured for four years. To heal she had to gain a deep spiritual awareness of our connection with the emotional body/mind. Now with a profound intuitive understanding of her own feminine emotional body, iX-CheL has been exploring the sacred union between creative life-force energy, conscious rituals, personal and universal cycles, which is spirituality at its depth.
After a traumatic experience in her early twenties iX-CheL learned that having a healthy relationship to her life-force energy based on holistic integrity is one of the most powerful, beautiful and transformational gifts human beings have. Since then she has been studying with the most highly sought after internationals teachers, modern Tantra leaders and pioneers.
She’s most known for her “Sensual Surrender Play Shop for Women” where women learn to embrace their creative life force energy, get in touch with their bold Yes’ and No’s, to create safe and powerful boundaries and to play a dominant role, at the “Dakini Domme Knight Masquerade.” A catalyst, facilitator and leader of deep transformational revelations, iX-Chel is inspiring creative purpose, juicy intimacy and orgasmic empowerment!
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin I were going to learn all about her has to being a leader in the tundra world and she just released amazing music video that you definitely got to check out so yeah please Michelle if you will tell us about your your path to Tantra and what you what you been up to sure thank you so much yeah I think for me personally I believe that there are some people who are just naturally carry that’s on frequent occasions on whether it’s like if you believe in past lives or not but for me how I ReDiscover that connection was I had to go was from doing some deep Shilling in my early twenties it was I am I was healing from a breakup and an abortion that I didn’t really want to have at the time and so a I went into this like depression and trying to see you and understand this traumatic event that I obviously created that I obviously was calling in for deeper and deeper real realization surrounds love sex and relationships and So eventually in order to heal those wounds around basically Shane Gill and just growing up as a Mexican Catholic of the environment to openly talk about intimate and emotional things in my upbringing so to even talk about things like Siri latex safe protection using a condom goes a long ways like as naive and ignorant and that’s as that may sound that led me to really hate having to embrace all aspects of my sexuality communication education and across the board and so it had I came across Entre as a way to embrace my own divine feminine energy my sexuality my creativity all of that which gives myself full permission to be true to my pleasure to be true to my body and also to create boundaries around how to protect my heart and soul at the same time so and hearing that part of me I came across some very well-known teacher and educator Mansfield and I was like my body was like dormant forever it just I can’t even look at a man in the eyes for like for a really long time but it wasn’t until I’m at this individual that I felt like something in me from my general just likes park and shoot right into my body like something had reawaken rewired and I feel that a part of me was awakened and so because the strong the connection feeling was so strong in my body I had to I had to figure out what it was and why and how. Just let me into a whole Rabbit Hole of like discovering things about and shortly after that taking a few years of teacher training learning from Charles Muir you know I really adopted it as a a lifestyle and so it’s become me but more than anything is to come meet more than anything I feel like contract has given me permission to really allow myself to be more true to who I am to be true to my pleasure to be true to my body and in my music video called comfort me so with indirect translation means with permission and then every day Latin America it means like you no excuse me like pardon me in a respectful way I’m like using visual and audio vibration sound waves to transmit this deep tantric you know connect and that I have Within Myself to spread it out to other people who may not be able to come to a one-on-one session or one of my antique workshops Place shops on so I came to Tantra for a place of healing some deep wounds and it has just been this unfolding process of reconnecting two parts of me that have been dormant and Reawakening yeah you want to talk more about the kinds of programs you offer what people can can hope to experience in your the containers that you create right now I’m I my most popular like Play Shop is called Central surrender and it’s a weekend intensive Central surrender Place shop at the weekend intensive and put on Ali is focused for women there is a part of the weekend where I invite my hand selected nice to attend and I got you these women into learning Forsyth Sheriff I just learning some communication tool simple communication tools to learn how to create container so that the women can dive too deep into their sexuality and feel safe and protected at the same time and then after the end of that day we do what I called the ducky nizam night masquerade fusion and you know for those of us who know what a Puja is and for those who I mean for those who don’t know what a Puja is it you know it’s devotional group Rachel and I have been to a few pizzas and some of them have been really amazing super cheap super traditional and awesome have been a little too like the new age like just like not really My My by my style and also felt that like I just didn’t feel comfortable sharing intimate Sexual Energy with just the guy who decided to show up to this light Puig i n Out to this like Workshop so I created a really close container and which I invite my hands like the nice either people who are either my call my friends are former clients or current clients that I work with so that it creates an environment for the women to feel even more safe and the Knights have very specific instructions to show up wearing and play through their Sunday’s fast or something they were wearing a wedding so they create this like full-on celebration ritual in which they come to surrender to the divine feminine The High Priestess I’m guiding this whole experience and it’s really about the women the women stepping up stepping into her what I call her spiritual. Matrix Neo her High Priestess self where she is asking for what she wants what she needs the words the words that she wants to hear from her night and obviously the night always has a safe word he doesn’t have to participate in the activities with the women gets you really stepped into that Salman aspect of themselves giving them an opportunity to find their sent her at the end of the intensive or the end of the toys are at least two really know what it feels like to be super dominant cuz they probably already have tons of years of suppressing their sexuality severe able to find that kind of sent her that feels really really good and so then the following day we were thinking person that experience and we participate in a Yoni massage and it’s it’s really powerful to be able to receive from the women because normally I mean at least in my chains I have I’ve learned to receive from like men or Partners or showed up to the game and they’ve always been for men and so to be able to step into the part of themselves as a Sisterhood Community is really likes special ed so ancient it’s so natural and so profound in like just feels like Quantum Leap things get shifted and so it’s really it’s really cheap really intensive it’s it’s very experiential and so that’s kind of been my signature weekend intensive and I so far have one scheduled for Boston and middle of July on thinking about also doing another one in Reno and the middle of August so these are events that are happening later in the year in the u.s. I’m considering doing like a smaller with tree down here in Mexico but I’m not quite sure yet if I ready for that myself so as of now I am I provide or a red intensive and a weekend intensive It’s All About Women surrendering into her feminine Central Priestess dominatrix archetype in the video there is sort of how much would you say in that video is safe directly derived from that that ritual I would say the majority of it some of the models in the video we’re actually a former participants and so it we were able to really like share that life happened to that ritualistic part of the transformational experience that they personally had on like transmit it back to town so I mean it to be a music video so you know you can only like you no feeling experience I got a glimpse of of a woman seeking a dear sister for guidance and support and at the end of the day like women are here to support each other into their new sexual Awakening in many ways is there so much taboo around that as well, there’s so much competition and jealousy between women as it is and so when we were able to create a safe environment for them to drop in it’s just like who we are and what we yearn for and and so huge part of the music video had a lot to do with with that cuz the song and it self was a baby with a big surrendering process for me the song was recorded two days after I led my first like out-of-state Central surrender play shop in Phoenix Arizona and I ended up recording the song like two days after the event I had no idea I was recording a song with a multi-platinum producer I just I started taking singing lessons as a way to heal myself from a car accident that I got in that like basically couldn’t move for 2 and 1/2 weeks and movement has always been my form of stability and inspiration and someone that was no longer available I had to open myself to other forms of moving energy and singing just was one of those things that just came to me out of nowhere and so the songs really about allowing surrendering and I feel Tantra is about that is a big part of receiving feeling being present and less about trying to make happen and doing it and it’s about what is here and now what are you and I think staying connected to that incident orgasmic Source that’s the doing we need to do you know is staying kind of thing present yeah it’s awesome I’m so yeah so stoked about everything you’re doing and there’s so many parallels I feel and I guess you know what other people you could say shock to Tantra which is the the lineage that’s really focused on Davie worships Davie Sedona and the the practice really cultivating men to be not just symbolically devoting to the goddess would actually be coming and inviting the goddess so much that I was just having this conversation later today it’s kind of like the end goal of that tradition would be so that when a woman is having sex with a man she’s having sex with a woman that has a penis in a way you don’t have that salmon and development balance and be able to run you know both the energies and mixed them but this this practice that you’re developing is is really interesting to me because I feel like there does need to be more space created Sacred Space created for for females to weather whatever their sexual orientation is to really create a non non competitive and safe container to help each other explore their bodies and then to have higher standards before they even start to interact with men sexually so that they know what they’re missing and I can’t be fooled because men are really like playing women and it’s really sad is that that what do you think about that that sort of feminist kind of shocked to Tantra approach to dealing with you know that disappointment so you believe that having a sacred safe space for women to dive deep into their sexuality is giving them empowerment security to be able to then show up fully and with with men is one part right basically giving up for that development to happen and then there’s thick a there’s an effect from that right which is that men’s bullshit is kind of put out of business if Women are Smarter and more empowered than what they’re used to settling for and so if you if you Vibe with that and it could talk about maybe some of the Transformations you seen or people just I’m sure just right before your eyes are like wow I didn’t know that my body could do these things and I’ve never been brought to this place by a man who wasn’t trained in excetera excetera well the the energy that comes out of the the women experiencing the Yoni ritual as a group around the altar all at the same time is so profound it’s so deep I’m looking that I’m finding so fascinating is how natural it is like obviously yes I’m keeping track of time I’m guiding them to do specific techniques and things like that but like really like it is just this once they have that green light it’s there is like it it’s the most natural it’s the most natural thing you’ve ever seen and so when they have that save space it it’s only Empower them cuz that’s an experience now in their body of what it feels like to be honored as a goddess because her their sister there wants to learn how to be the giver of of love the beat the conscious Giver of the conscious conscious Giver of touch and penetration whether that’s you know through touch or you know energetic and so they’re learning how to hold space give and receive and so therefore they’re able to then create that experience with with whoever pot with with any partner whether it’s another matter with another woman or a man so he feels that so many times it’s just like normal to go you know once you’re being sexually active to go straight into like having experiences with the opposite sex you know okay maybe you you discovered that you like you’re attracted to the opposite sex more see immediately jump into these experience and you know I feel that it’s just essential in the development of sexual healing and evolution to be have a new time to for women to come together and I also think it’s important for me to know it’s important for them to really be okay with their own femininity with their own sensuality I know this is kind of like weird but I don’t care but like what turns me on the most at is actually when I see men become like and then become sensual like I think it’s so precious cuz it’s so rare and it’s also like it activates a part of me that’s like a deep deep deep learning / hell yes it’s like yes this is what the world means a man needs to be stopped to understand softness to Experian softness and so when women have their safe space to be in there wild feminine nature without having to worry about how do I look good in front of this guy that I’m really attracted to or like you know can I hold his leg performance issues you know what I mean like it can get so like up in the head around the exchange and if Brothers can have a safe space to it doesn’t mean anything about your your sexual preferences but if they had just a sacred spaces to explore those aspects of themselves they may show up as more conscious and more gentle and present lovers as well for women and I said that they’ll just holding would love that I’ve just been called gravitated right now till it’s funny that you ask me because this year is like I’m feeling like I want to at least explore the conversation of providing things for my because I just have a way of understanding just a way of like I think holding space for them to know that I’m like really curious about what you just said what would drinking on yam and give yourself the opportunity to let them melt into your hands because I did a kind of experiment not too long ago just being like hey I’m going to do a sacred circle jerk for anybody can come up can come and learn how to injaculate into transmute orgasmic energy up the chakras and it was like a alive yoga studio demonstration hands on everyone’s welcome to you know Explorer and and it was beautiful kiss for the first time it was the first time for a lot of men to be naked with other men and for them to feel themselves and it’s just it’s so sad to feel like you know where there’s Olive is celebration of the top half of our bodies and what we do with our faces and what we stuffing our faces in our mouths but you know there’s said there’s and such little gourmet culture around the erotic arts in in the you know I never pressed world that we’re in so these is a really powerful yeah I agree like experiences for people to taxes and I totally agree that it’s so natural once the energy just starts flowing and everyone is in trained with it it’s the most beautiful natural healing force of nature that you just really it’s it’s it’s a it makes you into a warrior to want to tear down everything that’s gotten in the way of that. So do you feel like you are called to to take on some of that let’s say to be a voice of Tantra in espanol to the Latin American World which is has you know what maybe a even more I guess the Catholic conditioning is is is more tightly regimented I’d say within the Latin American Community relative to like you know him new-age hippies in Santa Monica or just doing whatever in you know using condoms like you just brought that up I mean most people take that for granted so I’m curious to know what what your mission is with that form of cultural integration I definitely feel very very very called to do that’s one of the reasons why I decided to move to Mexico a few months ago is to inquire and explore how to share this work with people from my life my similar bringing because it was life changing when I discovered hot grub and it’s been such a god one of the most like hard opening experience has to be a nurse in community that supports celebrates and respect Sexual Energy and so I want to see that in the world and I do feel call to share that with the Latin American Community I’m totally up for it I totally would love to do whatever I need to do to do that I’m just kind of finding in my boys actually like where do I start and I have like a few clients that I see here we do one-on-one sessions I got them on like a three-month Journey just like working on their percentage is their personal challenges and things they want to manifest and how they can use Sexual Energy to move through those goals I’m so it’s it’s a personal coaching / tan tribe and so I’m I haven’t figured out quite yet how to share this what’s the Latin American Community I would love to it was one of my intentions with the music video was too kind of like cheese the Latin American community that way but you know I I don’t necessarily have like a crazy leg support to get a pretty erotic music video out there so I’m just kind of like just patiently waiting to see how it unfolds like my intention is there and I’m just I’m just staying open to how to do it yeah I hear that will you have you were you want to talk a little bit about your the name Michelle and the Goddess that that represented the name represents and is there a way that you sort of the alchemize traditional indigenous maybe shamanic Priestess practices with your you know it sounds like mostly Hindu based tantric Define implications in what not if that’ll make sense Michelle is a midwife to the goddess of the moon and sexuality and she’s also a midwife Doula and I see her I was also just like this medicine to this a Medicine Woman Shaman what I find interesting is that I had a dear friend here that he told me that they had found the Mayans said it was he fell and the Greeks said it was Aphrodite so you know so I again I don’t have any back of research but what I got out of that was like it’s it’s a goddess I love goddess and I love goddess is a Medicine Woman you know I’m depending on whatever tradition she is like whatever communities you the part of an addition to the part of she has to behave or dress to the standards of that community and so I just I feel that for me and I know that I am here as a combination of a Medicine Woman and I love God I believe love is Madison and East Shaw is a moon goddess of sexuality she’s a doula and midwife and Medicine Woman and Tantra focus is a law on gloves and moving Sexual Energy true love devotion and respect all these are opening qualities and so me I see love as medicine sure there’s also other herbal medicines and plant medicines that are really potent aphrodisiac to the heart as well and the heart and mind but I see love is not a sin and I think that’s Entre is a beautiful vehicle for to expand love to expand on this empowerment in general and I don’t know if that answers your question love you out back to the desert the I kind of feel like there’s a sort of James Bond double O7 Mission with a lot of people who are attempting to adapt the tantric philosophy to the technology you know there is a very sort of electrical engineering quality to some of the practices that really don’t need Sanskrit to transmit I mean if you if I mean there’s so much to be said for having a d practice that involves the traditional mantras and yantras and let’s but even without access to all that I feel like a lot of it’s already been really it’s it’s it’s just very hard to access almost there anybody in and even in India it’s not what it was at the Heyde in you know like a thousand years ago so now what we’re left with is the the vestiges of that Richard deeper tradition and how we are able to incorporate the mythologies of indigenous cultures for trying to like break free from the post-colonial or deep decolonize your sexuality with a sort of cross cultural adaptation of Tantra that’s what you seem like you’re at one of those one of those aged secret agent Uno stacking language and hacking culture to try to give people the power back so yeah sexuality is everything it’s an end in the sense that when we’re able to claim that power for ourselves and realize that we all that energy that no church owns it no society and culture and we can start creating a new world that’s based on respect is based on evolution expansive is every everything’s pleasurable because it’s coming from that that space and so I feel like returning back the gift of your Birthright is a huge step in just creating a new a new world and I have a friend who’s been taking people on deep indigenous shamanic journeys with different indigenous shamans and leaders here in Mexico strictly indigenous like nothing to our new age it’s purely indigenous rituals and an indigenous experiences and you know I had talked to him a little bit about like so there’s got to be some kind of like something tantric something sexual around these indigenous groups of people don’t like the right and so he’s been working with them for like 20 30 years and he looks at me and he’s like I’ve been with these people for 20-30 years and that’s one area that they aren’t willing to share with me and he just looks at me he’s like oh yeah for sure like the most the most powerful leaders of the indigenous communities they actually easily have like five women as like they’re that they’re that bad they have nontraditional sexual partnership relationships meaning like they’re fully aware of the importance of sexual energy they just keep it to their own little world their own indigenous culture because they just don’t want more of their power taken away and so not everyone in their indigenous world can have five wives you have to have an inability to show that you can provide for all of those five women and treat them as Queens not just these domestic women that you know grow corn for you but like that they can they that they’re shocked the energy that they’re giving back to these King is going back to help the community and the evolution of the indigenous group so Mario’s been a part of a bunch of shamanic experiences with these different groups of DeGeneres people and there that their sexual rituals is not something that he’s invited or know or knows lessons other than just what he’s observed and what he’s been told he’s not allowed to participate in her know about so in some condition is communities in Mexico that are still like that are still pure they have their own contract Priestess pre-initiation practices going on still it’s more the modern Mexican the more modern Latin Americans that has been you know coloniso to speaker that has been cut off from that part this parts of themselves so yeah I do you like call to bridge the gap and that it’s just it’s just interesting how to like approach it’s at such a delicate dance of how to approach it so Intimates it’s a fine thing to bring up you know if you could imagine that it’s it’s in the in the the liberal kind of enclaves of the US it’s easy to forget how violent the repression was to get you know these colonies established and you know it would be so i d like to be able to have tantric temples celebrating all these things but it’s like the witch the Witch Trials have intended if they’ve just change forms and it’s not like you can really get away with what you’re doing you know something it’s it’s a huge it’s kind of a I can see the to be a sexual subversive with art and music is probably a lot more sustainable than building tantric missions and initiating people in psychedelic sexual you know rights but I’m thrilled to know is I’ve got chills you know this is exactly the kind of like anthropological on the ground kind of work that I feel we’re all it’s a duty to to revive this whatever name is what it’s it’s all it’s all culturally kind of stylized but it’s all primordial Shakti energy that’s being either repressed stories are expressed in celebrated or denied and you know wherever you go in the world you can kind of feel into what’s out of balance and sort of find The Leverage points and kind of open up those those channels so you’re deaf I’m yeah I’m thrilled to know that you’re you’re really digging into all this stuff and that that that makes me want to ask you about your role in the mainstream media I saw your demo reel it looks like you’re doing music videos with Snoop Dogg and you have done some action films and you know it could be that you kind of rice or a rising to a point of influence where you can break some taboos and play with it and and really launch memes for on a mass scale at Betts you for asking that would be awesome yeah you know I I thinking I graduated from college in 2008 and do you know I did I was totally like a loyal student to the system the American system going to school you know being in the honors class and like just doing all that I want to go to college there was a market crash there was like no entry level positions for anyting for the for marketing to write and so I was just on Craigslist like any other day you know looking for a marketing entry level position I would guess I’m I should start by saying that I’m going to share with you how I got started in the entertainment industry and how I feel called to be a voice on whatever level of mainstream level for ra Tantra for sexual healing more Beyond Sexual Healing I don’t even want to call it Sexual Healing I think it’s there’s a I don’t feel like that’s really what I’m about more like sexual Integrity sexual transparency as more what resonates with me but yeah whatever mainstream level I definitely feel like I’m a voice for that and I never imagined that I would be in a music video with Snoop Dogg I never imagined that my first audition ever I don’t even know auditions existed for TV shows like I was totally oblivious totally shut completely not aware but my first audition ever led me to a reality show on MTV which my partner and I at the like this The Stranger who I met on the show we won $50,000 and we split $25,000 which then led me on a path of life well fuck who cares about the market crash I don’t have to like what I have to work and that’s when I went to started to go to Burning Man and to explore all these alternative communities creative alternity communities and so just because one day in the middle of the summer I had moved back home with my parents I was looking for marketing entry-level position on Craigslist and something told me to look down instead of clicking the marketing PR PR whatever section that I was cooking every day for the last ever look down and when I look down it was as if like my entire like gays when you and then it just stopped TV film I would like TV film how is like I didn’t even know that existed like I was totally like you know like like there’s jobs for that like oh well I guess I live in hot like I guess I live in LA and Hollywood is is near Whittier California where I grew up which is like you know it’s a city between a suburb between LA and Orange County I was like blanket Hollywood’s think you know like people come to Hollywood well whatever I clicked it and the first thing that came up was like MTV reality show Justin Timberlake $50,000 competition show I was like I was like some cool so I clicked it and it’s like are you competitive do you have what it takes to win $50,000 on a competitive adventurous reality show if so send us a photo and a reason why I was like well I mean I guess I’m sending resumes all day long at hearing back from anyone I might as well spend a photo on a paragraph why I think I’m great for the show it took me the less amount of time the last amount of effort to send photos I had like no like modeling experience at the time and I just wrote a silly paragraph I’ve been like I’ve been a competitive Co nationally-ranked long distance Runner and I’m competitive because I love pushing myself and blah blah blah and I think I’d be great for the show I didn’t think much of it and over the course of nine months like seven auditions later I got picked for the show and that show changed my life it’s set me on a semi a little free and it sent me to explore using other talents that I didn’t work for necessarily just buy it just who I was being like as a kind of actress I guess whatever reality show star and so after I had a little bit more experience with camera I haven’t were having a moment with like there is something power about powerful about this vehicle yeah that that’s the real Priestess and priest shamans God men and and God is within her are being made every day on the you know Instagram celebrities assist really interesting territory where it we’re getting into now I feel that yeah this the the modern Temple where the theatrics of what used to be the shamans and Shawn Mendes’s in the the the the power to transform really most concentrated in the hands of the rock pop music TV pornstars you know the the the power to shape human sexual behavior and attitudes and ecological values and political you know ideologies it’s not that it’s not the CEOs and the politicians who have the power to shape the youth and the end of the voting of the youth and the the you know the style the clothing the fashion all these things are in the hands of pretty I would say mostly very well I don’t want to you know put anybody down but I’ll say that there is there’s lots of room for Consciousness evolution in the mainstream media and there’s lots of relative to the underground where you know in a lot of places like underground hip hop maybe more insightful with with political Consciousness and underground you know Burning Man or RAV4 trance culture may have more deeper you know wisdom and in an ecological awareness and integrity so that’s kind of what the mainstream is known for his dumbing things down to a level that makes everything into a Mick Mick entertainment there’s a few people out there there’s there’s always been you know operatives in Agents from the radical movements and the social justice department has all those movements kind of finding ways to hack and bring whether you want to call it a deeper truth or more whatever it is that they’re people to ring through I feel like when I saw your demo reel and I saw what you’re offering a Mike wow I mean I saw a meme of Snoop Dogg with his hands in prayer position sit and it said namastizzle that’s hilarious yeah yeah we just having said all that you know how do you feel about that that Duty responsibility opportunity magical Alchemy of bringing your level of training to the highest level of culture yeah I mean so for the most part of my initiation into the entertainment industry meaning you know the mainstream Bar Hollywood world has been also a deep guided and surrender experience for me I never really wanted to be on the show I never really wanted to be on all these things I just never really imagined myself as it I thought it’d be cool to like do a music video but I just like never really put his position myself as a as a featured artist like I’d just I was a completely cut off from that reality so to answer your question is like I also wasn’t aware that my first modeling gig was going to be with Nike you know what I mean ever so you know I am blessed and at the same time I’ve had to pull away from that world because I just wasn’t about some of those I wasn’t about that world anymore so for me I feel like I’m trying to find my truce and what it means to be like a a mainstream icon and because the sexual integrity and speaking and being a voice for that to me that is so natural it’s it’s I’m so deeply connected to to that like like like I studied at my whole life like it seems like it’s been just lifetimes and lifetimes of mastering that what I’m here to to master I feel in this lifetime is like how to actually leave it to to share it in a way that makes an impact for is is digestible cuz that’s the so I’m hoping. I’m open to the cause for sure why you know I’m here fully present I you know I just I’m here so I’m it sounds like you can if you weren’t striving for and sort of clawing your way to the top or starving your way you know it as a starving artist trying to make it you don’t have your big break in Hollywood but it just sort of fell in your lap or less than you probably have some some spiritual conditioning that you can be trusted with some of this power and yeah I’m definitely excited I think you could be on a Wheaties box or something if you could you know while I mean you see what you come up with yeah I don’t really I actually sometimes like a triple because it’s like how is at like possible that all of these things have fallen into my lap but and and at the same time I’m left with like will how do like I’m still left with a little unclear on how still choose to share the work so I don’t know how it’s going to unfold I’m just in it you know but I do find it quite interesting that my first audition ever was on MTV 120 $5,000 my first modeling client was with Nike my first music song I recorded was with a multi-platinum producer my first music video was with a Sundance winning filmmaker who created the trailer for my favorite movie of all time Avatar it’s like all these magical creative hands have some like or like you know National brand icons have like some have been part of my journey but like I still don’t feel like I’ve quite made it you know and I don’t know if I’m supposed to make it I’m just in this deep unknown right now things can Ray radically shift you know in any moment or at the same time it’s just like those were just credible experiences that my soul was here to experience and that’s all it was so it’s like it can go either way I’m in a deep place of unknown and surrender and Trust which is my word for 2017 is a stressed I think you’re a have a great approach to it because if you get too obsessed with the destination you don’t enjoy the journey and if you’re yeah I can be you can be debilitating to you know some people call it pronoia your ear so obsessed with your bright future that you just a dreamer at this point so I’m trying to ruin about the psychology of a pathological General well it’s you know I the sort of hands that have shaped my destiny I don’t think they would be as well some of them you know I was on the Joan Rivers reality TV show doing a survival in permaculture backyard makeover and that’s my little claim to fame for my Landscaping businesses that I work on it my moment so if you know being on the stages in in punk rock and metal bands in Hollywood where you where you’re opening for the bands that are at the top of the industry of the genre and you know feeling very it’s just blue balls for us for a certain level of being established and just knowing that it’s your surrounded by and also seeing how you know how just say it’s it’s it’s a different form of frustration when you when you feel like with with with some with so much power that you see people squandering it took to have a positive influence and if you could just have one drop you could just transfer I mean I could get all the trees that were cut down the last 500 years planted overnight if I could be as popular as any of these icons that I’m opening for you know what I mean so it’s just raining. But I also know that you know it takes time and Austin people who have to ripen more and mature more and get you know it like they say it takes a long time to be an overnight success and you know I’m going to be grateful if I have you know a slice of that pie at some point in this body in this life I’m going to be grateful that it did it did it came later rather than sooner cuz it would have just me know I wouldn’t have been ready here I would have valued the things that you value now and you know now respect now swag. I’ve been like I’ve been an entrepreneur since I was 12 years old selling candy at the girls PE locker room I think like ready for my overnight success know well that’s awesome if you have a marketing background to me and you you know you’re able to to see and understand and really not be well yeah you have a sophisticated perception of what’s Happening as he has all these opportunities develop so I got to say I am really I’ve talked to a lot of people about you know what their Tantra craft is and what their mission is and how they’re sort of what’s in their cauldron and what they’re trying to manifest and I really appreciate you know where you’re this orientation that you have to apply Liberation technology to the masses of the Latin American community and also with your already to me it’s already iconic status if you have all these things have me feel you could just knock down any door that you wanted to and get everybody getting freaky with the surrender Play Shut Up and really affect some change yeah this is exciting so it’s definitely the kind of phones deep-cover work that is so exciting and yeah so what is and what do you feel like is his next or what are you yeah what’s your your next steps with your meteoric rise what’s my what your meteoric rise to power you know I’m finding myself being creatively hungover from from doing the music video I was pregnant for two and a half years holding space for this Vision to come through so I just released it not even a month ago and I’m still kind of like decompressing from that and the only thing I have right now currently planned is essential surrender Play Shop weekend intensive in Boston in the middle of July and possibly another weekend intensive in Reno Nevada like the weekend before Burning Man in like middle of August that’s all I have planned totally wish I could tell you I got more things lined up and this and this and that but like I’m just not so I don’t have anything other than that I mean this what is the paraphrasing but basically when she started hitting the fan you know you have to meditate three times as much not if you if you get really busy you got to meditate more to know how to process you whatever you’re up against weather is opportunity or you know or you know Revolution and repression it’s it’s it’s definitely good that you know to have that space and not be too crammed in just be slammed with one thing after the next so now we’ve kind of arrived at what was my hope for the you know what would be the title of the show would should be hit mainstream encontra and you yeah you’re you’re definitely in a position to to talk about I mean it seems like they are you good with Tikka want another few minutes. I’m very open I can almost talk about anything freely like I’m like I had a girlfriend say will be very clear about the things you do want to talk about things that you don’t want to talk about actually I’m pretty much open but I can talk about anything from my life to my opinions about things I mean across-the-board it’s like it’s good and like I am like healing from a recent primary relationship transition so for me this is like awesome I can get too focused on sharing myself you know to others and that last being in the the sadness around that that break up for a transition we’ve really arrived to where was the sort of summit of the conversation that I was hoping for where we would get a really good sense of how really qualified you are to be sort of in a position of power and influence through mass media and entertainment media and in so your ass I see that you have you have sort of your at this kind of very interesting juncture where you have in a non was sayin on Tantra contacts you’ve had all of these successes and sort of you’ve been put on the map of the mainstream entertainment industry in a way that you have credentials you know networks in it we with within that Network your well-known just for your athleticism for your acting abilities for you’re probably to some dancing to if you did the music video with Snoop Dogg you probably at the shake it and all that stuff so you’re as pretty much well-rounded of a of a of a talent you know in the in that world yet it wasn’t you going in strategically and redesigning the industry in a way that was to sort of propagate tantric memes and whatever whatever sort of sign adapted form would fit the the opportunity you know you know you haven’t really produced this music video will be your first media production that was your like full-on this is my Tantra and I want my fans from all of my legacy of my entertainment work in my you know I profile work to then-no me in this way and want to emulate the way that you want to emulate any other person on TV or any any other person who is considered a star you’re going to be emulating tantric practice because that’s what you’re presenting now in your own media so this is very interesting you know starting point for your for your own kind of media brand work is if it is that in my in my right about that this really was like the thing you were crafting is your kind of inaugural tantric media project coming from a place of responsibility I like sure it was like a knot in the inaugural whatever but it really was like me having to consciously do something about what I was done seeing in the mass media and mainstream media women being objectified I just like and I have nothing against men Isle of Man but like constantly being objectified so it’s not like men were in that power or Baba blah so I wanted to see a vision where the women were in her power for themselves not even for the opposite sex bus 3 Chilean Peso for each other and so for me it was just like instead of like you know like being the change I wish to see I was you know I complain about it either or be someone else to just like completely rebelled against the mainstream and just went straight to their alternative world I wanted a bridge that you know bring the alternative to the mainstream bring bring it like and I feel that as a artist you’re responsible for for allowing and channeling and allowing that creativity to flow through you and so it was a cat mainly came from a deep desire to to see something new to experience something you and to be able to leave a guest bath to the Denton the generations to come like you can either see a video over here where you’re getting rappers taught like throwing champagne or you can be initiated into a world of deep power and security for yourself or a better world a world that is a store has versus like someone else’s agenda propaganda of conditioned and drama more drama between men and women it’s like so you share what’s true to you and your Evolution and I just felt like I reach this point in my career where I’ve been initiated in different ways to become that person you know I I I just so I felt again not everyone can come to my Boutique experiences but they can play a YouTube video and get an idea yeah that’s so that is exactly where I want to go next with this it which is is that lets let’s kind of do something if you’re willing a little bit a little bit out of the box in experimental which is that lets what’s I would say you know there are other forces who are who are present for this conversation I would say Your Spirit guides my Spirit guides is a deities that we have been honoring and our practices just you and me and are in our work in the world that has been in alignment with the Earth is in which cultural human Liberation all these good things and there is I will believe that the designers and creators the masculine and feminine energies that came into Union to produce this beautiful turn planet that we live on there because of the the negative forces that are really destroying the planet a very rapidly there’s there’s a sort of I believe there’s a desire by the by the benevolent forces you know in all Dimensions to sort of vet on some of the the people who are who are kind of conditioning themselves to be in more powerful positions to kind of in like a sort of like more like a soft martial art kind of way you know change these patterns and in disrupt the the curses and break the Spells and bring in this positive love light energy through sexual empowerment Liberation in that if if we acknowledge that we are being empowered and sort of their pulling strings for us there making things happened on the set but that we don’t even know about you know synchronicities and all these things so you know I’ve conditioned myself I’ve had enough mind-blowing synchronicities to know that there is you know the only limit is your own self-doubt and your own nervousness about stepping up to a more empowered position in and so with all that said you know what I like to ask you for his is the sort of a intentional space to imagine that let’s say that you really this is your big break and that this Snowball Effect occurs with just that video and your existing establish Network and just the that you can get it that that a marketing you know nuts and bolts marketing campaign results in your video becoming a viral video and that then launching you to a place where you are now touring the world like most very successful artist which is almost every day of the year was the tireless World touring schedules and you’re actually able to sculpt and design in thousands oceans of people at is massive festivals and you’re able to give them a total embodied Fuji experience through a directed ritualised application where it’s not just okay there’s a yoga class and then there is alive act it’s the live Act is the yoga class and you are having the opportunity to literally say OK everybody who’s male identified shiva’s you go on this side of the auditorium and everyone who is shocked identify if you go on the site and we’re going to make a big spiral and we’re going to synchronize with so that’s my Ultimate Fantasy is that tantric rockstars will reshape the World by creating a live Pooja experience on a mass scale and I want to know if ever imagine what you would do are you salivating for that opportunity to you you’re saying if I make a video when people get to see at least I get to see a video but what if they get to step into that reality that you created for them as you were live touring acts like Madonna or pink or anybody else you know to be able to do that every day except for the three days before my moon cycle before my Movement 3 days after my break so easily I could be as my as long as I can surf in the morning or in the evening and like you know just eat healthy food along the way totally give us a few days to healthy food and a surfboard and make it so number one let’s see this happen cuz I trust you a power and it seems like it’s hot it initially equation of a Quantum leaps you know it’s an in-body to experience it’s a full-on cellular activation and I would love that and it’s so funny that you’re asking me because I had to someone else, he’s like I want to manage you I want to go on a tour and can be part of the performance I’m like sure like the thing about me is like at least lately I’ve been less about wanting to make it happen or wanting to put all of that masculine energy to do it because I really want to be true to my house in my body as a woman and I feel like I’m in my college athletic years I have completed my emotional feminine body because I had to use that was so into doing and athleticism and running errands and going to work and going to school that like I feel that I’m in a place where I’ll show up and run I want to show up I don’t believe in that tour schedule either it’s kind of you know it’s it’s it’s not sustainable for a lot of people but let’s see if it’s more the idea that if you were if you were you know instantly had that much than you would say you know what hey let’s do this several times a year let’s do this on every continent you know a few in a couple times a year or whatever if your self a break and then make account and I run so much energy in a day sometimes I’m like what the hell I did all of that in the day that like I feel like if I could share that on a mat I like having a bigger scale like that much more people will be affected you know so I feel that I was born to do a world tour like I I kind of I was the kind of training I did as an athlete like waking up every day at 6 in the morning to train for 2 and 1/2 hours and go straight to school then after school waitress for a few hours and then go back home do homework go to bed at like 1 in the morning and wake up against her and another eight miles again and do it all over all year round yeah like it was full on Jedi training and so like now I am still that acted but it’s more a comes from more of a feminine being what do I need to do to care for myself now okay I need to go to I need to go surfing okay now I need to do a practice oh wow that was 70 minutes but it’s felt like 10 minutes you know so I’m still that physically active and undisciplined it’s just in his steps in a different way so for me at or is not even like that like that shocking to me it almost feels like that’s what I live on a day-to-day cuz like most of the places I’ve lived in the last three years have been isolated places like I live off a cliff where I see the have an ocean view and I am I spending where I live like on a day-to-day I constantly have to like pack for like all these little things that I personally need to feel great when I leave my temple so Tumi travel should I hold her thing like it would be like so much fun it would be a blessing so I’m all about it putting out to the universe that yeah well that’s yes so you know maybe what we can It’s cool cuz we haven’t we have a similar vision of what what could be done what’s not being done and how it could a lot of fun you know for a lot of people in that and so now I I think it would be a good sort of closure closure piece to just visioneer if if if you could have all of these things that are the nuts and bolts mechanics you know of of putting together that the the dream world touring production you know if you were to design it as a like a production designer let’s say you were to design that what needs to happen again without you having to to claw for it but what what needs to just flow into your reality and and just seamlessly dovetail together in order for that to come together like do you have a do you need to assemble the band do you have an inch a full set like a live set that’s at least you know good well at that level you be having to do more than just an hour but you know those are things that if you Statham especially to contacts like this where everyone who listens to this is going to be like a bit torrent energizing it in an in hyping it to know I’m praying for it so it kind of leveraging that that affect you know what do you see is the barriers or that they had things obstacles need to be removed people places things opportunities resources that need to be installed and then you know so that you can get the show on the road yeah that off the top of your head just put some of that out there so it’s clear yeah thank you so much for that question I think what I’m imagining is I swear people to experience a ritual through sound visualization and aphrodisiac medicine whether that’s food or news from kind of like herbal tonics are tinctures are elixirs of some sort but it for it to be a ceremonial Gathering and person or people took manifest their own personal desires as they come into this experience it’s a it’s a community ritual to community Gathering and Activation so I’m imagining it that weather is my music someone else’s music but it’s it has that vibration of full chakra opening where you can feel that orgasm erotic like in my body permission to be in your body everything around that Ambience is that colors that that a Fabrics like a it’s a guided experience it’s a form of meditation that is beyond the sitting in your Lotus position and it’s it’s it’s how your skin cells breed and so I’m seeing it just like this intentional Gathering I’m not sure it can be it can be I can be I don’t like going between like I can be effective aleichem it just a walk it’s like almost like a mini circus like traveling circus tour like you come to the temple you get your healing your activation and then it’s either going to travel to the next destination but you come in for a deep healing and I would love to see like-minded like-minded people come together I love to for both men and women to feel safe to feel what is being evoked through these performances these performances AR Essentia central air contractor ritualistic there Priestess their bowls there yeah I don’t know if I’m being but it’s just it’s just it’s just a experience it’s a full sensory experience where you don’t there’s no room for your mind to make anything out of it rather than what the fuck you know they’re what the fuck you up and so that’s it yeah I think that that’s a beautiful vision for people to energetically sign onto and pray for and if there were some more practical pieces that you feel like you know like let’s say what what it what are a few events that would have to happen or synchronicities it would have to happen that would give you start healing start to give you the signs okay I’m going to I’m going to meet the universe halfway because you’re coming you know the the the backline band and you know the invites to festivals I mean it’s really like you know it could be as simple as that’s like the blue sky budget it real No Limits vision of you actually at the absolute peak of rock starter doing everything the way you want to do it but it could be as simple as that microcosm of that is just like are you performing live with a band or with a DJ and Are You Are you delivering that experience in in the form of a you know if you have a concert where you know whatever the whatever however small that container is that you’re sort of squeezing into to fit on asset asset at a club the festival or something like if you have that assemblage kind of pre-packaged and ready to explode you know are you like are you are you digging you know where can people see you jam and do this live and is that something that you have to get your act together for before you get the show on the roof like I only have one song out I feel like I am limited you know it like how I can creative express myself but what I was feeling called to do is like what I’m seeing now is like it’s it’s a full my performance show I’m open to working with a DJ however I feel like most people that come see DJs like one it for the electronic music versus like the performance that is happening on the side so I feel like yeah so I feel like it would have to be like some kind of a live musician who also has like a tantric background and wants to see other heater understand he or she understands my story and what I want to communicate creatively and so he or she has a full freedom to play as she or he feels inspired Moment by moment but there’s the common theme of sexual integrity and transparency and however way we choose to express that people are coming to see that live performance at live fresh spontaneous ass obviously the song is going to be played because that’s the one song that is available on whether I just start opening with that or closing with that but I really would love to see some kind of a counterpart musician whether it’s a few and like I’m I would love to create orchestrate something that is about transmuting sharing that sound wave you know and and and Visually me being like the Muse the devil. See the. Kini the dance of the Sky Dancer and just expressing that in like there could be poetry in between and like storytelling there guiding people to step into those archetypes meditating with them and then letting that part of them XP Express is what you need to do it this is how it can look like at home if you want to go deeper come to the weekend events happening next month or in the week or whatever you know but at least creative way they can they can experience at so I totally need a I need to get my act together but like I do feel that art is one of the most is is a powerful underground receptive way medium to Sheraton truck cuz like I feel honestly there’s a lot of teachers are getting too caught up in the head the explaining of it is the the professionalism of it like let’s get real this is an energy of the feeling like how are you make sure they can come to your Pooja on your Workshop but like what about beyond that beyond the how to what about how they can feel now and now and now and now and now like that experience that liberates some verses this is how you do it like everything else like let’s learn from someone else telling you how to do it how do you say they can be in Merced Community and experience and ritual and ceremony and that natural place within themselves where they claim that contract lineage for them breaking out I don’t want to be on a pedestal you know it just just want to be a part of my community again absolutely will something that I think would be the the sort of the CID magical sigil for the vision board of what we’re saying if it’s not if I wouldn’t be out of line to Coke Inspire on on This fishing I’m actually I’m looking at this article about sting and in his comments about tantric sex from this this article and see did you hear about that I’ll pretty much the West was introduced to Tantra through stings comment and a magazine interview years ago where he talks about having sex for hours with his partner and said I haven’t you heard of time trick sex like big you know first Awakening around Tantra I wouldn’t know it was because of him that leaves more to be desired because I think it was just the sort of I mean if in the history of Tantra is encountering in the west that was like the the sort of flash in the pan where the term got got out there. I didn’t know she was like whoa you can be no man can last for more than you know five seconds and actually be making up for an hours and sting is that what it is and so it’s been my secret fantasy you know that sting which you don’t answer I’m trying to engineer a new archetype of a ton truck Rockstar and actually get on stage and sing and dance and do devotional Pooja worship and get people on their knees and get him you know shaking off game 11-9 each other and then and sting already actually is the by definition the tantric Rockstar but I don’t know that he has actually built a Puja around his performance which you would expect that he would be so inspired to do that at some point yeah be like you’ll sing what up can I introduce that’s the way to think about it if you imagine you know who knows how realistic it is but that’s not we’re not we’re not here to be realistic a line so I can see a bill you know it’s like why not I mean he’s he’s Still rocking you know he’s still doing it and he’s also been featured in the 2012 time for change documentary by Daniel pinchbeck which shows him talking about his Ayahuasca experiences so I think he’s about is totally ripe to flip that switches is any is the man so who knows but that would speed there would be divine these from all throughout the Universe coming to Earth to to witness that that to her from the Moon you know that all watch this beautiful experience of Sting Township rigid tour yeah yeah so so do you want to tell people how they can get in touch with you and get your you know services and signed up with thing and the main thing is you can visit everything for my services from my events from learning more about me on my website the full website name of the website is he shall send a bell but I I have a short link because the name is pretty long which is Sandoval. Com which is my last name and that’s as in Sam as an apple and as a Nancy d as in dog eyes and ivory V isn’t Veronica is an elephant Ella’s in love and in on my website you can find all of my social media platforms currently right now I think I liked Instagram the most you can watch the video the music video on my website and also unmute my YouTube channel I love doing live videos so you can text the you can check on Facebook for those pretty much everything is on my website so awesome any closing words you want to share if we go yeah thank you so much for this interview I so appreciate your patience is honestly been one of the weirdest it’s interesting experiences because like I just couldn’t imagine how things would just wake him up and I’ve never had a situation like this where I’ve had so many times over the course of so many kind of so-so many months so I truly appreciate you for holding that space for me and also holding space for so many people to tune in to what you have to share and yeah I really loved our conversation and and I hope I hope people find space inspiring spaces to explore the depths of their sexuality for their own Evolution and Humanity as well awesome yeah I got to say you know any time things start to get to be like a Bermuda Triangle I start to pay attention and I I start to believe that there’s some Dire Dawa stick Divine guidance happening and I definitely feel like we’re both aging like wine and this is probably the perfect time to make these alchemical prayers really this is I want I would like to see your medicine be viral content on the internet and that too then give you the the the rightful power to tour the world at whatever schedule that you like to be able to really rapidly decontaminate this reality from all of that horrible repressive baggage and you know make it you know make it work so yeah right on well definitely so good so it’s all in Divine time so yeah we’ll be in touch then definitely keep rocking and we’ll hopefully cross paths in the future yes thank you love likewise you have a good night thank you thank you for listening to the Tantra pump podcast please go to www.crunch.com cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email fan at Tasha Punk. 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In this episode I’m joined by Wilhelm Cortez, a dear Portland Gutter Punx brother from back in the day who has since become an Executive Editor at The Good Men Project. Wilhelm was a key factor in the origin story of Tantra Punk as he ran a profile piece on my “coming out” as a wounded sexual healer. It was a pleasure to learn more about his life journey and how he’s playing a vital role in evolving the discourse around modern masculinity. We share a deep comradery in finding purposeful right livelihood after years on the front lines of protest movements.
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Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 81 on Skype with Wilhelm Cortez who go back with pretty far now almost what 20 years at least into the Portland gutter Punk tribe and he’s been a beautiful inspiration to me over the years we’ve we had some beautiful experiences also in the forest defense community in the Northwest and we’ve yeah I’ve been kind of Kindred Spirits on on a journey and I I feel at one of the few survivors of those depths of self-destructive punk you know communities to to Really shine and make it out and threw and sustain the spirit with that said do you want to tell us a bit about your life story how you got to become the executive editor of the good men project spend 20 + lake is 93-94 I’m guessing if they have the haziness there but you know it’s been an interesting Journey getting to where I’m at now but it could be a very very long story as you know just from you know that times The Weave cross again and again over the years through just random means but it was still not Court of like you know we came up in this scene that was about figure it out for yourself figure out what’s right and promote that for your lifestyle so I think it was just natural being you know on the west coast and traveling in those circuits that we were just going to run into each other and it was always enlightening but not surprising when it would happen and that’s kind of how I ended up with the good men project is when I was living in Malaysia in Kuala Lumpur my partner at the time had met some people that were doing physical rehab with her and one of them was a camera in Conway is a writer and journalist and at that time he had just started as one of the first group of the executive editor is to work with the good men project and I met him and found out you know what he was doing in his work amazing things on exposing human trafficking child labor just really heavy topics all primarily under the idea of the disposability of men I’ll yell traditionally meant the soldiers the workers and the Expendable in that and we see in the western Society in the life expectancy some men is compared to women in on and on again there’s lots of levels to it but I met him and he introduced me to the project and I just kind of you know started joining their social media yeah like their Facebook page read their articles then I saw a Cameron posted a call for submissions that was just for a haiku about men masculinity haikus and I’ve been writing poetry since I was like I don’t remember how old and I know I’ve got a ton of haikus has got to be one in there and sure enough there was one from when I was living in Shanghai and there was a man who was he lived in the neighborhood I was at and he was kind of the the gatekeeper of the alley and he would stand out in the way he shaved was with one of those law large metal paper clips or like you know up whole dream of office paper and he would just click it onto the hair and pluck it out so I wrote a haiku about that submitted it to the good men project accepted looking for the writers group and I was like what’s that so I went and looked in at that time it was a private group a closed group but we’ve now open to public group but the stipulation for joining at that time was that you had to have at least one post published on the good men project and I was like well I too technically is a post because it did go on to the project website even though it was only in Oak Lane and almost immediately I was accepted once I call this is great so I started looking at that and seeing the editors posting there or articles and this is where most of these little connections between people come in there was an editor at the time Neil Hill who is environmental ecological educator and activist is I guess the best way I can try to lump it all together and all of his he was an editor at the time and he had made he was looking for somebody who had a Native American man as a role model because it was coming up on Thanksgiving and he wanted to expose you know a lot of the indigenous rights problems that surround the whole holiday and I messaged him and I told him you know I’m not a tribal member I did not grow up in the culture but they’re at a very young age when the Leonard Peltier case was first coming about I was just becoming aware of outside world and had seen the stories on the news and ask my parents about it and then his tastes just kind of that was when I was about seven years old and his case just threw my life just kept popping up and by the time I was a teenager and was involved in you know Street activism and things of that nature. You know the Peltier case is a big big one is still sitting there and so that was the first article that was and follow up with all the boogies tribe in Borneo view the five genders and those got the attention of the publisher then I was being asked to come in as an editor for the social justice section working in collaboration with Neil Hill in the environmental section because as we know there is no environmental justice without social justice there’s no social justice without environmental justice were connected you know we don’t we don’t save the environment or Nature by taking people out of it were part of it but we have to exist in it with balance so we started collaborating around that idea about building those sections in the content for it and now I’m actually mean who’s added her now for a day we need post that he does he’s always everyday he’s out in nature and interacting and he recorded it writes about it and we publish it’s not everyday and so that got me in as an editor and then it was just I just became my passion pretty much and I work my way up as people would come into the project and leave the project I would keep climbing the ladder up and about a year-and-a-half ago I started the executive director level and now I’m the last one standing from the ones I came into the project with got two more executive editor Rob Watson and Barb abrahamson and they’re really awesome as the team behind our publisher Lisa hickey and then we have a boardwalk the numbers on that when it was Ken Goldstein he kind of keeps our our business and a flow and really helps guide our our overall idea and our mission where what direction we’re heading in that’s so awesome yo what just struck me as you’re saying this is if I were a hetero ish woman in this world I would want to get your phone number yesterday because you are reading some of the most potent relevant state-of-the-art of evolving masculine Consciousness project you must you must have yeah I would love to put you on a dating show or something I mean who wants to date the executive editor to give info to review you have a lot of things to talk about you probably can keep somebody entertained on a date to see the lease with all that knowledge so all of the best and brightest most honorable respectable sentiments in heartfelt commentary and well I just want to thank you for that that that the woman in me says thank you and I already got your phone number so he has no I won’t ask you to give it out anything but I still don’t have one yet cuz he I just relocated back to the United States and getting a phone is low on my priorities and it was has been so that’s why I’m the Skype guy right now all right man so yeah thank you again for sharing your story and I love that it came from but do you have the Haiku or can we hear it it cuz I’m sure we could find him but I could not it’ll take me just a second here I think it’s it’s going to be worth it cuz if it’s got to be so endearing there it is yeah I knew I had it in there somewhere oh yeah that was 2013 wasn’t it you get up there and Street Corner plug shave big spring loaded paper clip is Razor of choice that sounds so I don’t like Johnny Cash or something it’s got this this grit to it traditional forms like that especially the short forms they really lend to that because you’ve got to focus on on the Rhythm you have to focus on the sound if you don’t it’s just it doesn’t work you know and so it really you know you do do get a heavy rhythm in it always right on that right on so do you want to tell us about your knowledge of the GMP Origins and Mission and and offerings for those who aren’t subscribers or contributors yet numerous times the pursued contributors specifically because of the topics and they’re really important because one of our you know what kind of one of our advertising lines are marketing lines is a conversation no one else is having and it’s a conversation about where are we in the 21st century with our views of masculinity and we’ve had Decades of civil rights gains we’ve had Decades of women’s rights games we’ve had Decades of lgbtq Rights games in all of this there’s been a lot of exposure of the oppressive systems that exist and how we go all the way from Les over forms of Oppression that are easy to see down to Cove or forms to where are the forms of Oppression having been internalized by the trust and they continue to perpetuate the oppression themselves within all of that advancement there was very little and really no talk about what do we do about these outmoded toxic oppressive patriarchal models that have proven to be unbeneficial to humanity so that’s where the idea of the project comes in is the we look at these movements as our predecessor this is what we have to build off in to learn from but we need to turn the lens around and we need to turn it on men and we need to really look at how do we Define masculinity because as we open the social acceptance of gender identity as being non-binary we now have to really rethink our traditional stereotypes of the rolls and the boxes that we put mint in and throughout the project. Contributors come in that are pursued that I said hey you’re doing amazing work I want to put it on the good men project and its really, but they will come back and say I don’t know if I can do this I don’t see myself as a good man so we don’t Define what a good man is you’re not going to go into the good men project you’re not going to search for 10 things that will make you a good man because those 10 things don’t exist because it’s for each man to really decide for himself what is his concept of masculinity how does he perform it and why and what effects does it have so we really think of it as this is for the beginnings of the project is that a lot of guys we go along and for everybody nobody wants to think of themselves as a bad person nobody wants to think of themselves as perpetuating oppression as being complicit to oppression but when your entire social doctrination makes you internalized that dominant as part of one of the dominant demographics you internalize that and you act that way and you don’t see it until you get to a point of developing your self-awareness that you can see what did I just do to her to the person of color sheet that to my friend to all wow and you reach a point where you kind of look in the mirror one day in your life wow I thought I was a good man but I’m not and it needs to stop so we really look at it how we can make ourselves better and extend that to the community around us and it’s really in the last few years in particular it’s become a lot more community-driven it always has been but that’s getting a lot stronger now so that’s what we’re looking at is you know how can we how can we address these issues and not attack them but deal with them in in Russian always and give suggestions and give exposure to what is going and this is where we start Ty and where we’re looking now with being in a political climate and a social climate that’s coming where these oppressive attitudes are being placed in the leadership role once again and hopefully it’s like you know what last dying kick of them and they’ll be gone soon but they’re not so we’ve got to build a strong Community around that to be able to deflect absorb and to change because fortunately we came off of you know a good 8-10 years of Allah exclusive progress socially and politically in this country which regardless of whether we like it agree with it or not we can’t deny the fact that the country’s political movements and social movements do influence and reflect globally primarily through pop culture in the media so what we’re putting out there is going out there to the world and if we can get a grip on that and look at these different levels of Oppression that really for me is becoming kind of a core issue it’s like we’ve got we got racism we’ve got all of these things going on but if we have that awareness that inclusiveness and that Community to build around it to work on it against the oppressive models that are hitting everybody each one of these oppressed demographics needs the help and we’ve all got to come together around that and that’s where we’ve been taking the good men project in the last couple of years is trying to give people the tools and the experience under the Community Support to get out there and try to dismantle these institutionalized structures of racism of Oppression of sexism of death of the environment in the culture right on man yeah I was I’ve been thinking about that a lot recently just how unprecedented it is for there to be a core value of non oppression that’s very deep reaching at and really is forcing everybody who is on that path of self-inquiry to indict most of the institutions we’ve taken for granted and it’s quite the rabbit hole in I really applaud it it’s it I applaud the efforts I’ve made some contributions here and in want to be and will be submitting more stuff what time so you’ve obviously learned so much you’re you’re you’re you’re speaking about this shift is happening and facilitating the shift of self-inquiry and defining goodness for oneself with a supportive your peers who are who are also walking the path what are you what would you say what would you say are some of the maybe some of the most challenging most heart-wrenching patterns that you that you’ve noticed for just the purging of all of this negativity and end in reconciling guilt reconciling shame from a lifetime waking up after a lifetime or most of a lifetime of unquestioned you know stuff where it would have some real tearjerker moments you’ve had as you’ve been processing all this stuff like a liver you know it’s not changed and for the individual it’s not going to change unfortunately anytime soon if it does and it’s when I first came into the project I was handed a basically it was a year-long journal primarily prose poetry from Magnum spoon Jackson who in the early 70s was not a good man he was 19 he was married in a crime of passion his wife ended up Dad he got sentenced to life without parole he spent almost two decades Plus in solitary allowed outside for an hour a day if the guards were happy with them but they generally weren’t he so freeform he started by you know going inside of himself cuz that’s all that was there he had outside connection through the window of Nature and the birds and it was a lot of the journal was talking about his connection with these birds and what he was learning and growing from himself then threw in the late eighties dejar de arts and crafts and program in the state of California the artists musicians painters poets writers into the prison system for the people on death row and for the people in life without parole to give the art therapy and in spoon Jackson’s case it was incredibly successful and that was really for him that was kind of like a final key of his is self-referral Nation because of the the details of the legalities of his case he has to serve the term and you know my first what’s my first year every day I was going through that journal and breaking it down and getting a daily post from it and I’ll tell you there were some days where I came came away from doing that Daily Post and it took a few days to Shake it Off. Spend you know the story so many times through but then there’s also just the the ones that they bring tears to your eye but they’re the other kind of tears and that’s where you have somebody that comes in and this has happened so many times that you know we need we get some missions in through our online portal and then those go through the executive team and we decide you know which editor is going to be working with that writer if it’s a writer that’s been with us for a while they already have an editor if it’s a new writer than we decide and for the first two years ago that I was added in I became but the kind of go to editor for the potentially problematic straight white male post and diet have to filter a lot of well if I can just be pretty straightforward about it basically kind of like it’s almost like infiltrators you know they come in with a particular agenda which a lot of the times is promoting the stereotypes that were trying to break or is being thinly-veiled are masked misogyny and they try to get like a foot in the door picture keeps engaging yeah but what else is out there so it’s not that I mean those are kind of rare instances and it’s pretty easy to tell what’s going on especially when you start going into a person’s blog and you just check and see what they pop elsewhere and it’s like oh okay well you know forget about this guy you know he’s got some work to do but these guys come in and it’s the you know the language base that there are coming from in their life experience as straight white men primarily it’s you know in middle-aged run my age they they came up in that really traditional like varmints so the perspective not quite be there but as soon as I go in and say Hey you know you’ve got a really valid point that you’re talking about in this but there’s a lot of problematic language that we need to deal with and just give them the information and explain it to I’m just you know like I would do you know if a friend or family or anybody else and that’s your job cuz you’re the editor and ends up coming out of it is they’re just like oh oh that was not my intention at all but I totally see it now I never thought of it that way and you know I just got to say this is the good men project will have a budget to develop either an app or a or a browser plug-in that translates the patriarch of anchor should I click a button like whoa or something a lot of our contributors come in as people who have a passion for writing or a passion for a topic but they’re not necessarily perfect so that’s another big part of the job is helping these new voice is kind of find their voice and sculpt it and within a way that fits with our editorial guidelines which at the base are really simple and I love our editorial guidelines so much because the basic principle is Do no harm and if you look at it each post as I do it that’s what I’m thinking is if I post this is there anything in it that could do harm and that’s the the principal we go on and we’ve got much clearer guide lines when it comes into the the heavier topics about what we can and cannot post especially around the suicide topic for sure is a big one that we have to be very cautious with because we know that the rate of suicide for 4-man is disproportionately higher and but a lot of it has to do with these high-quality a rosian of privilege and the it’s seen as a Bad Thing by people who are still clinging to it and it’s not it’s a good thing it’s going to be better for everybody once it is gone but yeah that’s kind of some of the that idea but you know we can make a better world we got a tree at the art to make that their world and that we have to have the artist to do it and that nobody is perfect were all very different degrees of a mix of good and bad depending on really sometimes who were with and the environment that we’re in and that we just have to look at how can we make ourselves better you know and learn more and listen more is probably the biggest one I think for with the projects trying to get some of the guys to wrap their heads around is the you really you really got to stop and listen and then what is so fascinating because yeah I’ve known you for so long and we’ve been we’ve kicked pieces I’ve written back and forth and only now is it really daunting on me how multi-faceted your your role is curating this content which is kind of giving a voice to these wounded souls and hearts who are striving to shed light on things and it isn’t just a commercial commercialized cranking out stuff that’s somehow related to be the most profitable you just really yeah really facilitating in a stewardship kind of role of this movement I just can’t thank you enough and it makes me wonder would you ever as it I know you have a background this as a teacher would you ever I don’t know right up my writing a book is so such an Endeavor these days and everything is such a moving Target but even do YouTube videos or best practices even just the most basic I don’t know if you’ve done this or if you would consider doing it but to help people at different stages of literacy different stages of you no experience with creative writing and journalistic writing and just kind of via a technical support in a Way Beyond the editing is that something you thought about her that you’re doing especially since I relocated back to the US where things are more expensive to survive in the next year so I’m going to be branching out and I’m done working with well first I’ve started to work with a couple of riders you are working on social justice topics who are turning their dissertations into books and more kids but looking for clients who are interested in developing a voice and learning about the you know the online publishing and and how to do it but there’s also there’s a lot going on within the good men project at well that keep cycling we’ve got quite a few training and classes that we do one of her most popular is on social change just kind of how to create social change because we’re coming off of what we got six years with the project now actively everyday reading strategies for social change and then we have to have a class on using social media to develop your reach it’s geared towards writers primarily but anybody who is doing any sort of online promotion or sales can definitely benefit from our experience across numerous platforms and how to get the most leveraged out of that then we have there are some writing and editing courses as well we’ve got two levels of that you know check that out and then the cool by the most exciting thing right now for me is our social interest groups and we’ve got those up and running and have for a couple of months now we completed one on men’s mental health there was really amazing we have a 1 on the rebuilding post-election on how to reform and redesigned to go after the issues that people care about we just finished up our first stop racism group and that one will be starting up again in a week or two and that one is amazing because it’s only 4 weeks 1 hour call once a week for 4 weeks and I did the first one with the leader of it Jackie Summers and the way he has it structured you come out of it identifying where you are out within a social change movement what your position is true you need to find and how to create an action plan for directly changing the insurance braces got another really good one coming up as well on the environment it’s going to be James Blakely and Neil Hill and you lied mentioned before is really insightful ecologist the concept of ecology goes even deeper with him for the last not sure how many years now he’s been on and he’s got a mountain with mountain goats and wild cats in the whole deal like full live healthy ecosystem the village is right there and has been there for thousands of years and so that’s one of the big things that we want to look at through this environmental group is all of our social justice all of our social issues come down to environmental if we look at the way that we treat oppressed people and we look at the way we treat the environment yeah there’s a big connection there and they in within that they it’s the indigenous people who hold the key to our survival they have the knowledge of with the environment and what the shifting environment the we have going on now but we’ve done a pretty good job globally of trying to completely suppress and eradicate those those people in those cultures just we recently I’ve seen play out in this country I mean so and then I was talking with me all the other day about these issues and brought up a really really strong point is that you know not only we can’t take people out of the ecology. Doesn’t work but it’s also the getting people to recognize just within your local immediate environment being conscious and aware and being a caretaker and you’re around that we build community and Community protects us against social problems right you know you know you’ve stuck your hands in the dirt a few times starting soon that’s non heteronormative parenting and that is going to be led by a gay father of two straight kids in a straight mother of two gauge hits this is like we’re really excited about this one cuz this is one of those that we can really take progress for gender and sexual identity rights in this country and really get it rooted in parenting you know that’s the best way for change unfortunately all these problems that were facing that we’ve been talking about on this call we want to see him changed for some of us we’ve been working for a long time to get them changed we’ve seen progress we seen it diaper us but the solution we’re not going to really see the problem races in the environmental problems all of these problems are going to take generations for them to really be solved and to go away but we’re at a critical time but if we don’t put out the right information and really actively daily think about and work towards these changes it’s going to go the other direction yeah absolutely this is we’re pushing the boulder uphill right now but at least it says the terrain of just Consciousness and awareness in all of the facilitation of Technology the Internet it’s it’s really given those I would say oh yeah you and I had to be Street punks to make a statement and really suffer and really be at risk of I mean back then in Oregon all kinds of hardcore extreme violent bigotry of all kinds and it’s it’s it’s just it’s beautiful now to look back and see how every generation is pushing pushing the boulder uphill but it’s it’s where shaving we’re sort of hacking at it as we go you know where’s it is and the terrain is changing so it’s there’s no excuse we’ve got all the tools and all of the resources in seeing the next the generations coming up after us have a beam or facilitated and figure things out a lot sooner that’s the thing I’m just like wow I’m so envious of these next Generations because it took me so long to get to some of these fundamental understandings and so it’s just it’s going to accelerate in in but yeah I agree we’re just planning the seeds of a lot of things but it’s glorious don’t be depressed don’t kill yourself stick around as long as you can cuz it’s like so exciting I feel you know seeing all this transformation happen and you know it’s very Stark I do you feel like the and how do you personally feel about this what looks like it’s going to be a big back backlash politically for the next few years at least do you feel do you feel kind of like we’re ready to take it on now as the more conscious not anti-oppressive Progressive community that it’s it’s we’re going to just make it a laughing matter to you know wipe away all of this madness and I’m curious about divorce so depressed but I feel they charge to know charged up at well first off you know I came back after you know I’ve been living out of the country for 14 15 years or so and I came back in October before the election with the idea of pretty much knowing that it was going to be the Republicans that took it and it didn’t really matter who it was that they put up because we’re coming off of a two-year Democratic president and there is yet to be in the history of this country to turn Democrat followed by a Democrat except for FDR but he did it all himself and then they wouldn’t let anybody else do it again and it’s not like that’s not like the conspiracy thing there it’s just the statistics you know so trying to beat the numbers on this election was tough to begin with and yeah everybody got surprised but is it a surprise that a person on a like you know heavy platform of bullying becomes the president of a country that’s bounded on these ideas you know that’s not that’s not a surprise you know it’s like it’s a surprise if you don’t know the history of this country and I think of it in some ways the coming off of The Good the mass of progress that we made over the last 10 years or so that this is almost like a kickback from that it’s almost like hopefully the last death throes of this mindset this oppressive bullying mindset that this country has been a dick to for so long that it’s going away as we see with you know especially with the Millennials yeah there is people poke a lot of fun out on this and that and everything as far as like social Consciousness like you you were saying yourself it’s like whoa they came on board with this stuff like already pre-loaded and it took us a like couple of decades wow this is exciting you know and I don’t think that these these power structures and into the society and we need to do a lot of work today get them out and can’t be complacent about it but I think that we’re seeing it in its Decline and its final days and this is something that we have to deal with now and hopefully it is that. Turn that up turn is his we see more and more awareness we’ve got this amazing communication tool that were using right now called the internet that you know we can have a almost Global impact and we’ve seen what that did with things like Arab Spring and for social and political change regardless of the few know how that plays out of the history books will decide later but the simple fact of using it as a tool for activism and change is unprecedented and we’ve got that experience we’ve also got the experience of the Occupy Movement which for all of its failings also had some pretty positive things to it brought Collective awareness way of fire about social issues we’ve got you know the WTO protests in Seattle where a lot of lessons were learned and even in the recent protests just post-election that I witnessed here in Portland I saw like you know from 23 years ago but there are definitely in a lot more strategical and tactical things going on they are coming from this but moving forward we really need to rethink a lot of these things off of the lessons that we’ve learned from these different movements and figure out how we can use our communication tools and use our knowledge to try to turn it around and the we’ve got it all laid out for us you know the the presidents are there and I think one of the biggest ways that we can do it is we’ve got to look at the big picture financial and economic because that’s really you know if we look oppression and why people are oppressed this goes back through colonialism and colonialism was for Capital and it was all about the money and if we not just follow the money but put pressure on the money that’s not that’s how the civil rights protest is you know if all the sudden you’ve got like 75/85 95% of your writers are no longer writing and buying tickets at bus companies going to go under and they’re going to change their policy right real quick and then and those are the things that we need to look at it like your your Target and go after it unrelentlessly and tell they give up and it went up Financial end of it something that I’ve been thinking a lot about lately is the if we can convince but the power holders they are in the ultimate privilege to hear the loss of that is number 1 not a problem and is it going to put anybody on the on the slip reverse side of it cuz there is none but also to see that by economically oppressing a large percentage of a population you are stifling the progress and they just Basic Finance if you have more resources to draw from your going to create more from and if we would take the economic oppression out they financially for the entire country it’s going to be much better right that’s something a lot of people I don’t think her aware of it most of the most of the freedoms that we have to well what’s a it was it was the evolution of of Commerce that got some of the most racist backward policies of the so-called old world to actually dissolve because they realized wait we could actually innovate more if we facilitate people having things like bodily Integrity rights and give people confidence that if they were to develop something that would could be intellectual property would just be stolen away from them by the king so yeah The Liberation is is it’s good for its it’s good for the invisible hand if you really want that worship the Invisible Hand Adam slick you know cuz we know money talks and if you if you want to know what’s going on you follow the money if you want to change what’s going on you put pressure on the money and if you really want to like just flip it upside down and make it into something new you encouraged the money to go in that direction so all we have to do is getting rid of Oppression and we’ll be all good to go over and over again so yeah I have I have full faith that mean Packers are doing so much there’s so much so many old oppressive institutions or just monopolies and racquets that are dissolved because it’s because of apps and technology so yeah if we are on the rise and so many people have sacrificed their lives and been bludgeoned an incarcerated who had so so many fewer I just typed from me and it’s really hard to get depressed for more than a few seconds really because there’s so much power and potential that we now have it our fingertips that we just did not have you can’t really have the spare Irwin I mean I don’t think you can really sustain it if you were passionate about change because we have so much opportunity now and it’s just a matter of of trying everything and adapting and being quick on our toes and not just being not just being like I said not only at the mercy or consumers of other people’s technology but you know open source solutions that give us the opportunity to continue to share and we’re not so yeah I just I just want to reaffirm this this up swing of the curfew for empowerment and you’re really leveraging that with the good men project and I’m very excited for your freelance offerings to be made more are you going to do have a website that we can check out for just supporting you and your efforts and keepingyouwell afloat and well but yeah I don’t have set up yet that’s part of the the plan over the next few months is to start getting to work on that but I am on Facebook I’m on the the Masthead of the good men project and you can find me a through email there as well as in social media where I live so when you do get your website together we’ll be sure to just add it to this page because podcast is growing and overtime more people will you know find this episode even if it’s in the archives and so they’ll be a lynx whenever you’re hearing this podcast episode anytime in the future please do go back to this episode number 81 to find the link to wilhelmus website which is forthcoming and yeah well we covered a lot do you have any other thoughts or anything you want to share anything you want to shout out for make sure you stop by and visit good men project and Goodman project.com pretty easy and check out our Facebook pages we’ve got quite a few of them I’m just a little search and you’ll find us right on well thank you so much again it was great reconnecting with you and I promise to be more consistent in my submissions I think yeah it’s it it is you invited me to kind of have a profile and then I’ve contributed poetry and essays and I need to get on it I need to be consistent so I’m going to make that played straight how to until I have tons of money to give I’m going to give tens as well I won’t bug you but I’ll be giving you more words well thank you so much you have a great night and we’ll be in touch soon. 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In this episode, Devi and I discuss the need for more grass roots activism within the modern tantra movement. We explore our complimentary visions for more publicly accessible resources that will bring tantra to the people!
Devi Ward is an internationally recognized Tantra Expert, Certified Tantric Healer, Certified Reiki Practitioner, Tibetan Tantric Dakini of the Shangpa Kagyu Lineage, and one of the first Westerners qualified to teach the Secret Tibetan Five Element Sexual Tantras, which stem from a 2,600 year old lineage of Tibetan Tantric Buddhism. She is an Author and Radio Host of Sex is Medicine with Devi Ward, airing live Thursdays at 7pm PST, on Contact Talk Radio.
Her personal journey from Stripper, to Monk, to Tantrika enables her to call upon her own experience of profound life transformation through Tantra and sexual healing. As a survivor of sexual abuse, Devi provides down-to-earth, experience-based insight into using sacred sexuality, Tantra, and “pleasure as medicine” for healing. She has had extensive training in Non-Violent Communication and has been facilitating Meditation and personal growth workshops since 2000.
Devi has been featured as a Tantra and Female Sexuality Expert in countless articles, and over 30 different radio and television networks world-wide including; Playboy Radio, Men’s Health Magazine, CBS, NBC and Rogers TV.
She has been a featured presenter at; Prana Yoga College and Rhodes Wellness College in Vancouver, BC. The 2013 Taboo, Naughty but Nice Show, The 2013 Living Extraordinary Conference, The 2013 Live and Be Well Conference in Vancouver, BC. The 2014 California Women’s Conference, The 2014 Detroit Women’s Conference, and The 2014 GDay Goddess Event in Vancouver, BC.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin baby word welcome to the township Punk podcast this is episode number 32 and I’m so thrilled to have you on and I would love to have you do a little opening ceremony for us if you would invite you and everybody listening to had with your chin tilted slightly downward this aligns the chakras along your central Channel hands and a comfortable position tongue on the roof of your mouth and for this were going to meditate with her eyes open so eyes open in a soft gaze bringing your attention to your breath inhaling and exhaling through your nose and as you inhale feeling the air fill your belly feeling your belly expand as you inhale and feeling it relaxes you exhale now with your next inhalation breathing all the way into your genitals feeling your pelvic floor feeling your roots feeling your genitals your labia your lingam your scrotum your anus your whole bottom and bringing all of your attention and all of your awareness to your route letting it fill with life and as you exhale inviting that area of your body to relax to release and to let go I’m continuing to consciously breathe into your route into your pelvic floor I’m going to invite you to count 10 Bratz the count is at the end of each exhalation When You Reach 10 breaths just continue watching her breath and feeling your genitals and a way that we don’t normally have an opportunity and then when you’ve completed your 10 deep breaths just gently bringing your awareness back and noticing how you feel how your body feels and how you feel in your body and that’s all 50 siblings so I want to say first of all I grew up in Bellingham Washington and so are you is that where you’re located now or that I know you were there in the past it won’t be happy to have made the decision to stay here I wasn’t I wasn’t sure I was going to stay but I decided to stay so here I am I’m loving it so I have a few items and I listen to all of your podcasts and I hope also listen to all of the Francesca Gentilly 6 * 4 Kamasutra podcast from a few years back and I’ve also been following all of Laurie handlers podcast and so I feel like I have a lot of good sense of a lot of what’s going on in the tundra field and I particularly wanted to address a few topics with you that I haven’t heard that you’ve touched on but I’d like to explore a little bit further and one of them is the kind of response that X speakers can be making as activist to mitigate sexual violation and also to apply some of what we know towards the prevention side and the treatment side of the perpetrators and the Predators who if you look at the Staggering statistics there’s a lot come out there and I’m curious what your thoughts are on that issue if you care to share well show perpetrators like rape and that kind of thing just like you know nor like we’re living a rape culture you talking about like people who have actual what I would consider to be like a type of illness like that like to molest little children so what are you talkin about everything or just certain things well yeah it’s it’s a spectrum right and I remember one of the interviews you did with that person who’s doing the research on making the porn addiction recovery kits and do you remember she mentioned at one point that the new statistics are showing that it’s not actually textbook clinical pedophilia pedophiles who are starting to engage in child sexual abuse there actually people who are addicted to the extreme porn and they’re starting to go out and act out these extreme fantasies are getting from the poor and so it’s kind of like you know to reframe the question based on you said I’m curious on your thoughts across the Spectrum everything from just horny teenagers and date rape to you know creepy old man The Stranger Danger the in the home danger of friends of the family relatives and even father’s you know whatever comes to mind I’m curious to know what you have to say yeah so so for me what comes to mind is always identifying the cause or the need that’s attempting to be met through that action so you know I really don’t think that there is one succinct answer to the question truly because when you we talked about you know child molestation will keeping in mind that so many people have been molested themselves and that’s the trauma that continues to perpetuate itself right so my experience of the little bit of experience I’ve had in in encountering you know they have a history of sexual abuse and Trauma like passing down that lineage so can Contra help with that will of course I mean in a help with pretty much anything in my opinion but again it’s identifying the car so somebody like that who has a severe trauma that’s motivating their behavior is going to be different than somebody who’s just desensitize because I grew up in porn culture that make sense absolutely yeah yeah yeah go ahead the the lying need that the behavior or the strategy is attempting to meet so you know we’re just talking about generally living in porn culture and rape culture well God I mean wow there is so multifaceted like I on my wrist Show recently I had dr. Ron Goldman and we were talking about so you know circumcision trauma I honestly I truly believe you no impact man haven’t ever raped or can ever rape but I really believe that infant male circumcision contributes to a tremendous amount of our the propensity of sexual violence in in men and you know he spoke at length about severing the mother-infant bonding birth and just the way we do birth in the burning process in Western culture like we are a culture of people walking around who have suffered trauma you know it did to one degree or another some of us more so than others and so I think a lot of our society culture is a reflection of trauma and so again it’s about going to the route going to the source understanding what trauma is how it impacts the nervous system how it destabilizes and creates and causes dysfunction and what are these causes what are the sources of @ramen if we remove those causes and we remove those sources I think we have a very different expression of life we be seeing very very different things in our culture at if everything from you know suffering of the mother and pain pain male circumcision to you know living in it and a sex negative and completely ignorant culture I mean that’s traumatizing to us so yeah I mean I just think there’s so many layers to him that I that I don’t think there’s one solution other than identifying the cause and looking to remove it is that make sense yeah definitely and this is kind of become my passion I’m a Survivor and yeah this is this is kind of it become my life study and I just want to say again I’m so grateful that you were out there in all of the country cuz you’re out there a dressing that whole spectrum of issues that you were mentioning from the trauma to the shaming and the sex negativity and just the whole Shadow Miss of sexuality it’s going to breed Shadow behavior and you know I’ve experienced some extreme forms of victimization and and that’s why it matters so much to me to connect with people like you on this and I am curious what your thoughts are on framing this issue Laurie handlers at one point said in one of her podcast that she views this sort of times for sexual healing work as a form of modern-day exorcism and that when you’re removing blockages and this is my paraphrasing but removing of blockages energetically actually something a lot more tangibly biological on an aspen and Astro perspective I don’t know Buddhist Tantra Hindu Tantra is very Adept at understanding that there are entities that are opportunistic and that are going to try to you know create harm in our Dimension and that’s a lot for some people to swallow Western clinical Medical Science they don’t want to acknowledge the spirit world they want to look at chemistry and Physiology and not phenomenology some wondering how does that strike you the idea that when we’re we’re dealing with the form of exorcism when we’re doing this Sexual Healing work with Tantra is that variety different levels like you know who you think about Carl Jung and and confronting our shadows and kind of like feeding our demons that sort of thing so our internal demons and whether or whether those demons are separate entities you don’t work or not is is Up For Debate even in Tantra Buddhism I mean on one level yeah I mean I’m very much believe in the spirit realm I have direct experience of it many of the people that are closest to me see spirits in other psychics and I just that’s what that’s part of your world so it’s so it’s a Consciousness in a culture that I’m very comfortable with and and and pretty much live and breathe in exist within and as far as doing art untoward Sexual Healing work are we exercising while perhaps some external entities but also their internal demons as well you know so it’s kind of like you get to a certain level of where inside outside same so is this demon showing up outside of me just a reflection of a demon inside of me or vice versa is right I don’t really think it matters to a large degree other than the fact that we that we are in fact doing the healing work and we are re stabilizing and recalibrating our ability to function as whole healthy human being so what whatever that means wherever the trauma comes from is it you know my father gave me a spirit when I was 15 or is it just that you know I have a low self-esteem you know what is it what is the cause and then what is it what is the what is a symptom of it it doesn’t doesn’t really matter to a degree to me it’s more about making sure that we have the tools that we need to remove those blocks to blister to heal and to become fully functional does that make sense if you can feel where I’m trying to go with this it said there’s this ancient spirit world taxonomy and then there’s this modern denial of the spirit world and Tantra and psychedelics and psychedelic Tantra together are really revealing the truth of what we’re both talking about in ways that I think you know are starting to be clinically tested and you don’t discovered in the modern sense and I really I guess this makes me want to move on to the next question which is let’s say Davey that you and I were a part of a team that was given pretty much an infinite Blue Sky budget to solve these problems and to create sex-positive holistic sexual Enterprise zones that are maybe not in the middle of the downtown shopping district but maybe somewhere in like a permaculture Farm environment or some kind of tropical island where we can do legal work on sir drivers and do harm reduction Rehabilitation for perpetrators in different areas let’s say and actually have Resort Hotel sexual spas and combined these things in a permaculture design where all of the different service providers are working in harmony Inn in concert and there’s also just all kinds of ecological Dimensions to it I have that Vision I feel like you’re the kind of person I believe you have a gardening background to if I remember correctly what kind of Visions come to mine if you were imagining you had no legal limitations and no Financial limitations to create view of the paradise for Heelers season 4 Taurus and everything you know orientation right now is really if I had unlimited resources I would bring it to the people like I would go to Detroit and I would create a Healing Center in Detroit for people to continuously access on everyday level because this is a thing that I’ve discovered we need support everyday for our healing process it isn’t just something that we get to take a vacation you know once a year and work on it for a couple weeks and then we’re back and we’re all good and then we’re back in life no it’s an everyday thing and we need the support if we’re talkin about creating Community healing Community we need that support on an everyday basis we need it you know 24/7 and especially when we’re talking about doing things like healing trauma people need access to resources now and they need access to resources in their communities and can’t be something that you know they’ve got to go fly away too quiet and the thing is is most of the people that I’ve encountered that have them need for these resources they don’t have a freaking money to go on the healing vacation and go to a Healing Spa like that’s for people who have the privilege of having enough money and that’s a great wonderful thing and may we all be blessed but some of the people that need the healing the most don’t have two pennies to rub together right so that’s where I want to go if I have unlimited resources I want to use those resources to build things for the people who don’t have the resources to do it for themselves that make sense I’m so glad to hear you say that the next level for me too cuz I feel like I’ve had to get a lot of access to the healing that I needed my whole life by you know blessings and miracles it wasn’t easy to find the people I found in to get connected and and I I do I struggle financially so it’s it’s not it didn’t come easy but yeah hearing you say that is actually the model that I really want to see happen I’d like to see The for-profit Intercept Enterprise country cousin six you know Industries pornographers and Moguls of all that actually kick down to create goddess clinics if we could use a term if so let’s talk about that because I feel like they’re there will come a time when the the the highly lucrative sector sector of the sexual healing world will will be so kind as to help set up these nonprofit kind of charitable Community Healing Centers in in in in like a clinic kind of model so if you would develop that further and just talk about what’s a date what it what what is a normal day look like for a Community Access kind of Clinic model we’re in the process of creating here in Bellingham Bella Vino the two to the degree that we can but we’re actually that’s what we’re reorienting our business model to to include a non-profit Branch to bring these instructions out into the community so that people can have access to them right so you know if I could have anything I wanted quite frankly I would buy a building in Detroit have it read renovated and I would have I obviously would have to certified Tibetan Tantra practitioners teaching the four pillars of Tibetan Tantra on an everyday basis and there would be meditation classes Dharma classes are there the movement classes there would perhaps be in a once-a-week discussion grooves Tantra classes that sort of thing and then I also really wanted to open it up and bringing other modalities of healing and other Educators another excellent practitioners in their field and and create a community where were supporting each other in healing ring and personal growth and also supporting each other through our break down so that we can have breakthrough so the breakdowns become breakthroughs nonviolent communication is a huge part of my lifestyle I believe in it absolutely passionately it something I I aspire to live and breathe in every moment so having daily classes in that perhaps you know and just totally knew concepts of this is all just like flying by the seat of my pants for the most part in into the absolute structure what it would look like but more for me it’s actually having a tangible physical place where people can come to access resources and then there would obviously be some food growing too because my dog the amount of food we can grow on like such a position of land is in sand there’s no reason people should be starving in the cities you can grow food that was one of my aspirations many years ago is the setup Gardens in inner cities cuz there was all this on you land and it’s like it’s and it’s such a joyful experience to participate in the cycle of life to like I love honestly I love composting my poop yes posting my Campos in my room and then putting it on the fruit trees and then growing fruit trees and then eating the fruit and then pooping and then pooping in the compost pile of that whole cycle right I love it and I love like when I lived on a farm in like clean mucking out the chicken in the hen house and then taking the poop and whatever to the Garden have been growing my food in that and I just I love that I love that whole cycle of of life and I think it’s healing and it’s healthy for us as human beings to have our hands in the dirt absolutely yeah actually is a little thing on the side I can’t wear this recently but someone is talking about all the C-section births it’s limiting the exposure to healthy beneficial bacteria is through the vaginal Canal that would be used to build you know the baby’s immune system and I’m so this is so music to my ears hearing you say this bringing us all together the ecological gardening and the on the sun site facility permaculture stuff it’s this is my dream absolutely and so I’m already just so thrilled you’re here you’re missing this together and I don’t feel so alone in this Vision cuz yeah I mean I see you know that I think the chances that a victim of any kind of sexual violation is going to discover the healing path of Tantra is bait there’s just no educational marketing budget like a dare program but I see being you know that the Surgeon General just declare is Tantra 8 in the medical eyes form tonsil it’s a or clinical form of of it as part of what you get and your health care package because it’s it’s so debilitating to be suffering from the after-effects of sexual abuse it’s it’s just you know I want allies in this Mission time and yet on the other hand that doesn’t have to stop us from bringing it to the people who needed the most I think some of the confusion those there are so many different styles of Tantra out there but it can be confusing that’s why I’m really clear that what I practice and teaches Tibetan Tantra so it’s not the same so when people come to me looking for Tom’s riney have to let them know it it’s not the same as what you saw on TV it’s not even going to be the same as like a practitioner in Seattle same city that I live in let’s be there’s different lineages there’s different styles of practices and they do overlap in some cases but not in every case and one of the primary differences and in my practice in those people I associate with his chakras medicine and that’s what I hear you saying that it said that it’s a pop of profound healing not everybody uses or talk to her that way right so that create some confusion definitely definitely well I feel like you know the check is already in the mail these prayers are being heard and listen to and we’ll get the help we need and I’m just thrilled about that so I will if there’s another another side that I love to get your your your feelings and thoughts about which is I consider myself a pretty hardcore eco-feminist the scholar and I I feel it’s a man’s Duty and in a patriarchal world if he has any connection to his heart to really develop compassion around 5,000 years of patriarchal domination and Dominator culture and because I I I have that like I guess pretty academic overview of the history of patriarchy would say I feel like something that could be an extension of of what we’re talking about would be to actually acknowledge how threatening the world is and actually put together funding and infrastructure to create sexual refugee camps as a term for all of the victims of throughout the world in war-torn zones and just poverty-stricken nation’s course southeast Asia and all these sex tourism hot spots and actually be like okay some people from the first world can shave off a tiny bit of their extravagant incomes to support developing centers where they’re actually full I’m like a like a regular refugee camp but of course with permaculture and of course with there’s actually I believe it’s Bangladesh that has a completely female police keeping our peacekeeping police unit that’s all you know kid it up from head to toe and they they’re their able to secure territory so wondering how is that something that you could ride with the idea of a sexual refugee camp model that could be established in different places throughout the world and I think there’s I think there’s a lot of us out there who are doing a lot of victim support what I am really starting to feel turned on by as looking again at the perpetrators like what is the motivating behavior of the perpetrators is it can we get to the core underlying need can we find out there why why are they doing this is it because they’re disconnected is it because they’re ignorant is because they’re in pain like what is the why I want to I want to address Wyatt’s why it’s happening to begin with as opposed to you know the aftermath dealing with the aftermath yes we do need to address the aftermath for sure absolutely and I just kind of feel like you know looking at my career in the world it’s like there’s a lot of really amazing stunts Rica’s and sexual healers and sex educator is out there that are that are providing that that are doing that better leaders in my and what what’s really interesting and motivating to me is looking at the depth of pain that causes someone to cause that degree of harm to another human being. That’s what I’m curious about awesome I will do so if you had let’s say another sub project of your infinite budget if you were to let’s say it was talk about in Africa the soldiers who rape infants because of a belief system that it’s safer to protect themselves from HIV infection as one example of extreme almost institutionalized you child sexual abuse and rape what what kind of infrastructure would you put in place or how would you approach something like that with your team in your budget inn but I I don’t do em like I don’t do em but I don’t I’m and I’m an idea person I like the how to like that’s what I hire other people to do cuz I don’t know how to do that wasn’t what I would do is say okay so here’s the situation so let’s get a room together the perpetrators and let’s start doing some NDC work or something you don’t like I’m a person that they would call in to teach specific modalities I’m not the person who can figure out how to put it all together to make it work that’s not me okay going to say sorry sorry to shoot you down there I just yeah that makes sense though this was the question was going to ask so too these war-torn regions I just think about I think about I asked why I asked the higher self the spirits the guy you know what are the deepest wounds on Earth in terms of where demons are getting a free lunch the easiest and it’s a Native American reservations war-torn regions in Africa and the sex trade zones in throughout the world where there’s this extreme brothels and whatnot and and I wonder how do you put those those operations out of business and I’m very hopeful about this concept that is called The Sex Drake is that something you’ve studied at all or that you have any thoughts on as far as how to how to get these guys attention you know you want to go have a you know a training with to get themselves healed and figure it out if they if women are basically United in this some sex strike movement then they get to have some bargaining power and get to put these young boys through some initiations to get them straightened out like bat in North looks to North America as a role model for Behavior right you know we got Hollywood in media and and people watch our stuff all over the world in model their lives and their you know they’re their modes in their morals and ethics and codes of conduct after what they think hours are from watching our media and let’s also acknowledge the fact that in Africa you know there are millions of men being circumcised because the American Center for Disease Control decided that that’s a good fucking idea so there’s all these men better now having you know suffering the trauma of having the most sensitive part of their penis cut off because Americans think that’s a good idea right and then oh wow look at all the violence nor that’s happening to him is that a coincidence I really don’t think so so I really think you’re talkin about like yes these are all these war-torn countries and whatever like there is to know they’re their father for these end do you stew that’s what’s a good food there but I also think like my really motivated by think globally and act locally and I think that like as a country is a western Nation the United States is pretty effed up I mean just again talking with Ron Goldman about the birthing practices and the trauma that’s perpetuated and the first world nation just by the way women give birth in this culture just buy that all you have to do is change a few things about the birthing process and you were around ocated a tremendous amount of trauma and keeping in mind that trauma perpetuates, so if we as a first world nation as leaders in many ways as role models are consistently perpetuating a a society a culture of trauma what impact does it have on the rest of the world huge impact so I really motivated to act like to act locally like let’s get our shit cleaned up let’s be like we living the ideal that we all truly want to live let’s be in integrity and being Harmony and being balanced mind body and spirit and then from there we can bring that message to other countries instead of bringing these screwed up effed-up methods that are just cause dysfunction and disease and bombs and whatever else we brought the other countries the last few hundred years let’s create a model of sustainability of Health and Wellness of compassion of love let’s let’s create a functioning healthy society and then and then support other communities in building a pond that that makes sense me to that the reason that those places are embroiled in Warfare is because they’re trying to serve first world markets for whatever it is diamonds or other mining operations minerals it’s all funneling into the the same system of colonialism that’s been the reason that everything got torn apart hundreds or thousands years ago so you’re absolutely right when in I’m so bad I don’t have a television and I don’t watch cable and so I’m totally ignorant when it comes to current event news because I just I had literally do not pay attention to it but it’s so the last Wars we had with a bushy no and office and all that like those countries are still freaking devastated devastated because of us because of us so it’s kind of like you know like we need to get her own shit together before we start going out preaching to people about how they need to get their shit together and if we as world leaders are actually healthy and functional that is going to send a tone for the rest of the world it absolutely will but we’re pretty dysfunctional as individuals that make up a very dysfunctional culture so let’s let’s go to the source let’s go to the route absolutely wonderful well I’m going to take another deep breath cuz I appreciate you bearing your soul and working through some of this very fiery material and I think since we have a few minutes left shift gears into something a little softer and more playful if you don’t mind ya and I just got to say I’m so happy that we’re talking and it has been something I’ve been dreaming of for a long time and it gives me a lot of power and passion to move forward and I feel like I really do also resonate with that circumcision episode you just did my mother had the had the graciousness to not have mutilated and she kept me uncut and I I did suffer in childhood a bit if I’m feeling of different nests or awkwardness but I believe me it’s been over over by the the blessing of having it there and and I can relate and I know I know it’s it is extremely damaging and I believe that you’re so right and he was so right saying that this is a trauma at that stage is just going to Cascade so so the my my Direction I want to go for those few minutes in s you some thoughts on the idea of your thoughts about the how how are we going to I mean I know your prescription for 6 weeks of semen retention and I’m I’m I’m going to be honest I’m it’s my ideal to work out to that and as it as an uncut person it’s I think it’s a lot harder to I mean that’s what anywhere between every up to 70% more watching the statue that you have to have that you have to transmute at 2 to retain your semen in and I feel like there’s an interesting Spectrum I’ve studied this white tigers phenomenon in China where the women know that the Jing and the end of the minerals in the essence that is coming from the semen they actually have a a culture of consuming that every day and they have older guys that practice the longer term semen retention and they get one of his one of his offerings on a longer-term cycle and then the your guys they’re essentially sucking them off on daily basis and absorbing all that and developing themselves and titties you know living goddesses based on that so that’s one interesting cultural example and then I know there’s there’s tantric rituals hinder tantric rituals where the ejaculate is part of the ritual but there’s transmutation in between and then I’ve heard things like as long as you transmute the energy than you sort of them absorb the essence up the chakras and if you spill your seed at that point it’s not as big of a deal and then another extreme there’s these sex Magik gnostics who believe that any ejaculation at all in your life is opening up this portal to hell and there such a thing as in their view a inverted Kundalini snakes that are sort of demonic in nature and better really running the world because of extreme over ejaculation and I I’m somewhere in there in an alignment with that feeling like these these all this corn is a form of Satanic ritual abuse where they’re using ejaculation as a I really like sort of demonic or satanic kind of a function so is there a practical strategy I know you have your teachings that would you know train a man to be able to last for six weeks before release could you provide some practical outlines for how you get a man who’s used to probably just used to ejaculating everyday to some training wheels and what not to get him on that path towards the longer-term retention strategy like what do you think about that is there any Marriott intermediary path well the first thing to recognize is that orgasm and ejaculation or two separate functions of the nervous system so you just need the correct methods to begin separating them and to me that’s part of becoming a sexually mature mad I mean if you was a man or not able to choose when you ejaculate to a large degree end if you haven’t experienced non ejaculatory orgasm is moving into multiple orgasms in here till you’re still sexually immature same for women women who have an experienced multiple multiple orgasms are sexually immature as well and we’re stuck to their sexual maturity stunt in because we don’t receive education of us culture so what I say six weeks when we say six weeks between ejaculation we don’t mean six weeks between orgasim we mean specifically ejaculation ejaculation has one tiny little type of orgasm men are capable of over eight different kinds of orgasm and the men that I work with his students and clients in the men who I take to be my lover’s they will tell you that that after they go through that initial. Of separating orgasm from ejaculation which is really really simple with the methods that we teach when they get to about week 4 5 6 they don’t want to ejaculate they feel so amazing their orgasms there non ejaculatory orgasms becomes so much more satisfying that they rarely ever want to ejaculate and when they do it’s like there is a planet be like okay we’re going to have a party we’re going to Steve already had 10 other non ejaculatory full-body orgasms event and one of my lovers who I was playing with just this weekend have the most end pain in my entire life it was like his whole body was like contorted for like over a minute it was over admitted it was just like he was amazing for the drop of a jackulate I mean it was toe curling it we were so amazing we were laughing it was so intense right not a drop of a jackulate so you know it’s kind of like from my perspective and I’ve heard the man again the mineko this it’s like you take your the best ballbuster you’ve ever had where you like it was the best fucking orgasm you’ve ever had and literally multiply that by a hundred and that is what your potential is when you learn to separate orgasm from ejaculation so the trick is just is learning the correct methods and that’s what I make a living doing so there’s a variety of ways you can access those whether it’s through me or online program but once you have the instructions it’s really simple it’s not rocket science it’s so simple it’s ridiculous that more people don’t know it awesome so where I’m at is it is it sounds like what you’re saying is it when I try to explain this to people because I have mastered the art of separating and having multiple full body and then just you’re just in an orgasm forever kind of a feeling or you’re in this the field of orgasm as opposed to the sneeze response of ejaculation and and that just last and and and I honestly feel when I dance with somebody I feel like I’m seriously having full full body multiple chakra orgasm and something just uncorks I think and you get to that that spot and it becomes easier not to ejaculate the thing the thing I want to ask you is it because this is such an event horizon 4 people to you just can’t imagine it like you’re saying x Hunter is my mucus can’t even pay you can’t conceptualize that you have to do the work to get there and but that’s a good fits a huge payoff so what I’m curious to ask you right now than is I guess maybe I’m still in development because what all what I’ll do is I’ll just do like the Cobra breath kind of a thing shipping or the big draw you know sipping up the energy so I’m kind of cycling almost like playing a didgeridoo or something like that it’s like it’s like it’s like playing it like you watch somebody play didgeridoo that’s what you got to do when that energy builds up and then you don’t have to have the mechanical intervention that’s more dangerous that million dollar spot thing where it’s like you’re actually interrupting the flow after it’s gone past the prostate and you know that’s kind of dangerous so when you were with a man who at one of these 6-week guys which I got to say it’s Way Beyond where I’ve you know been able to get so I’m excited to get there but the my question for you is when you were with the man who is being seized upon by the urge to ejaculate what does it look like what does he look like in your arms is he will wrestling a wild boar is he whistling Dixie what is the physiology of a man who’s at that level when he’s trying to Let It Go there’s two different questions they’re so so for the that I’m playing with and then I make it as soon as I do not have sex with my student so I’ve been there’s a distinction between my students who I teach these things and then they go home and do them and then my lover so I’m actually playing with so so my current lover there is no fighting if there’s no he’s there he’s there’s no fighting ejaculation like it’s just he’s just his body just retains its just what it does and we do make good use of the million-dollar point we use the million-dollar Point like that’s the introductory method that we used to begin the process of separating orgasm from ejaculation and once that’s happened in the body takes over in and of itself and then you very rarely need use the million-dollar point print and the research that I’ve done and then also living with doctor in his who’s am Natural Health Specialists in tibetan holistic healing Specialists never had any readings or results that the million-dollar point is dangerous and anyway if it’s being used properly and correctly so I don’t necessarily agree that that’s a dangerous practice to use I think it’s extremely useful for retraining the nervous system to separate those two and then what I found in both my lovers in my students is once you hit that 6-week Mark and this is what they report they say that there’s a shift between four to six weeks when they naturally move into multiple orgasms they just naturally start their bodies just need dozen of its own volition and then they rarely need to use the Block it’s more a matter of you know what I usually they will usually they will but it’s not yeah it’s it’s never a case that I have an experienced wrestling with an advanced what I would call an advanced practitioner of semen retention that he’s never been wrestling it’s more a case of if he gets too close we just relax and breathe I know there’s a few different semen retention holds that we use I’ll be on the million-dollar point that can support a man in learning to relax with sensation without going over the edge so I’ll do some of those with her you know it’s it’s it’s it’s never like a big crisis or anything it’s just they know there’s they they by the time they moved into multiple orgasms they know their point of no return so that you know if they’re getting close to the point of no return that we just like relax and breathe for a few moments until he’s harnessed is downward-pointing wins and then we can proceed so there’s a there’s a whole bunch of other things that you can do to strengthen your what we call your downward-pointing winds which is going to strengthen and enhance your ability to control direct and maintain your semen you know so that’s why we say it’s a holistic practice it isn’t just your breath isn’t just using his holds it isn’t just doing certain movements it’s all of it together it’s a yo got so life practice and when you use all of these tools together it’s like dancing you mentioned dancing you’re a dancer so you know it’s like when you’re first learning a new style of dads it’s very cerebral and very intellectual but once you integrate the the the practice into your nervous system in your body that’s what you actually that’s that’s when you’re creating art so it’s just it’s it’s just a simple practice of diligence to go from just starting using the methods consistently over a. Of time as instructed and then you’ll get to a certain point where it just comes is easily and naturally as breathing like the men that I’m making love with it’s it’s it’s one so I shouldn’t keep saying that no one man that I’m making love with currently it’s it’s a yeah it’s I mean it’s just it’s easily and naturally as breathing in his orgasm remind me every time he has an orgasm it’s it’s new he’s like I’m having a orgasm as I’ve never thought I can have before it’s like a completely new sensation in almost every time so it’s it’s truly we haven’t even scratched the surface of our of our human sexual potentials really phenomenal beautiful awesome exactly all I wanted to hear and I should be a clarified based on what you said there’s I’ve heard of Potential danger with the mechanical interruptions but you’re saying that’s an intermediary step and you were lying it less and less over time and really it’s the energetic movement that you’ve developed first very cognitively and then it takes over on its own so there is lots of Hope and lots of potential for people to get beyond the heads to the event horizon and just be in the zone and in a flow State dancing with the multiple orgasm says it’s like it’s infinite there is there truly is no end goal like there isn’t it we will continue and that’s cuz, like to me what God is God is infinite Consciousness and ever-expanding forever and that’s what we are as humans we are God incarnate so our experiences ever-evolving and our sexual experiences infinite and that’s that but I don’t know how anyone could ever get bored with sex it’s like there’s there’s so much more to explore so awesome will it it’s I know it’s time for you to head out so I’m going to say thank you thank you thank you so much and my final thought prayer is that we leave the foreskin and tax and that we value the sexual Spiritual Development of men as much if not more than we currently value or top boxers and football players in other contact Sports always say I leave the world in in having mixed Healing Arts competitions as much as mixed martial arts competition that’s my prayer and if you want to say a beautiful prayer to close I would so appreciate it for ultimate Limitless expansion and growth for all of us as individuals and as a planet and as a Yazoo society and the culture and I ain’t know when I really I feel so blessed that there are so many of us on this planet Awakening to female sexual Armon and I’m really turned on and and invested in male sexual empowerment as much as I am female sexual Carbonite all right I’ll see you in the future Hunter Park. 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In this episode I discuss the process of illuminating the shadow using the F— Yeah Frequency with Jonathan Talat Phillips. We share some of our neo-shamanic and psychonautic adventures while planting memetic love seeds for the future of sexydelia.
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A well-regarded Bioenergetic healer and professional psychonaut (explorer of consciousness), Talat has been helping clients ride big quantum waves for over a decade. His memoir, “The Electric Jesus: The Healing Journey of a Contemporary Gnostic,” has become one of the must-read books of the new consciousness movement for its honest portrayal of life on the emerging edge of transformational culture. He co-founded the popular web-magazine Reality Sandwich and the Evolver Network’s 50 regional groups. He is the creator of The “Ayahuasca Monologues: Tales of the Spirit Vine,” a religion blogger for “The Huffington Post”, and a Reiki Master and certified Bioenergetic healer. He currently orchestrates Psychonaut Productions shenanigans with his “partner-in-Love-crimes,” Claudia Wheeler-Rappe.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin okay I’m here with Jonathan talat Phillips at space camp and he is a shamanic personal trainer and he’s going to share with us some of his skills and techniques and strategies for Illumination in the Modern Age and Jonathan yeah if you want to see funny cuz my dog Dakota is licking then like crazy right now. We’re going to talk to wild stuff here I think we had a little bit too much California kind that’s Basecamp it’s just so nice that it’s like you can do it legally you know so this is a big wave night welcome everybody we’re going to get down I guess I’ll start with the fuck yeah frequency but you want to say something about my book first and yes yeah do you like Jesus is a must-read you’ll laugh you’ll cry you’ll hurl and it is there’s nothing else like it when I read that book I knew that I was connecting with someone who has a strong background in social justice activism in a healthy skepticism of the new age and it’s really a lot of people story and it’s something that I super validate and appreciate when I meet people who have been in the trenches of a resistance and understand what we are up against and now we’re evolving tactics that are much more effective because they’re spiritually effective so that’s my energetic as I want to take a big rainbow gun and shoot the fuck out of spiritual you know where ya been I’ve been in this for a long time no one ever believes I’m 40 years old I look 20 freaking 6 but yeah I’ve been doing this probably since I was a listen to music as a kid and let’s read and Kerouac and I went from being a political activist media guy to Quantum initiation in 10 years that after I don’t fire energetic training evolver realize sandwich people know that a lot of this stuff hundred Ayahuasca ceremonies come across a cheat for initiation and it’s about this illumination we’re talking big wave stuff here like Shadow elimination and for me the Cheetahs the fuck a frequency what I realized I was sending a boring email to about one of my clients and my guides just came in and just a brief freaking deal that you love this work and they started playing Happy Mondays step on I realize it was 95% that’s the energy of the fuck yeah frequency and when I realized it myself most of my clients is most depressions most anxieties most parasitic attachment happens cuz we’re not riding at our 95% now there’s some weird things so I’ve discovered about the 95% but maybe we should I talk about that first before we get to go down the rabbit hole cool huh so what is it 95% in detail well when I think about 95% it helps to go back to time in your childhood when you rocked it you were just in the flow and connected and for me that was price skiing and so it’s just I feel like I’m just came through life flowing through at 95% high energy Zone in the trick is you don’t have to be skiing to do it you can wash the dishes and do it but I need excitement I need to play music I need to karate chop things sometimes it’s do weird stuff to ride in it and I’ll get it there’s kind of a glass that goes on as your creative channels open up and we can get into that weird stuff cuz the 95% usually involves once you start kicking at it a hundred percent you are trying to be perfectionist 95 you just love life 5% sucking is your car either you got to love it too is it sits the 80-20 rule 2.7 what was the 80/20 you know Focus only 20% on the negative or the problem 80% on the solution and a sort of fractal pattern that they say if I still kind of the stuff I 95 would have does has kicked people into their higher self energy so it’s it’s just as easy to get to is it’s actually easier to get to 95 than 85 and you said yeah I mean I think it’s fucked up show cuz usually higher Vibes and trying to be spiritual shirts a trickster it see this is what I think is happening with the Psychedelic movement if we’re taking ourselves too seriously and we’re slowly letting it out and enjoying the dildo and replacing it and that’s kind of humor is where I Luminate things cuz he got to have a fucked-up sense of humor to the laughter in the bedroom and it’s the best to how do we laugh more in the bedroom what do you mean I don’t know it’s just things to know about waves crashing together I don’t know I’d like to laugh a lot more in the bedroom by not taking yourself too seriously that’s step one but that could be a lifetime study of how to get more laughter in the bath bedroom that would be a life well spent elimination so you never talk about illumination fuckyeahkrieger I never thought about that until George Bush won the election totally depressed looking for answers start seeing energy fields on MDMA on my 30th birthday first time I do Ayahuasca I’m sure I’m kind of three evolutionary things it in like a future shoot for Humanity of where we’re going after civilization it was pretty cool it was weird that was a snake that was half human or half organic half synthetic technology and biology merged energy illuminate. I was giggling and laughing and they just said are you ready for this one it’s going to be more than your human ego can have her fucking imagine it has to be done and they brought me up on this lotus flower and I was just told this is it this is what you’ve been looking for I was brought into this light this light is Shone all around me everything was light light light light light Limited so beautiful inside likely shea butter and they said this is what you’ve been looking for this is the Krishna Jesus Buddha energy and is real humans are enlightened time to remember and so that’s for me is illumination button right when I had that Vision I also had this thing of all but how can people hurt each other I think this gets into the parasitic stuff maybe we could spin into that before we get into the weird fuck at 4:50 and why do we need the fuck a frequency now more than ever because we’re under attack and plagued now more than ever yeah we were probably played worse in the middle is when everything was fucking dark high-speed internet porn makes the Middle Ages comparison to the infection rate of demonic parasite yummy High shot by chick kind of dark skin so itchy lady Kali kind of style hi Vibe no venereal diseases but she doesn’t want to do a job and she loves to fuck and she’s dumbing it up and bringing all this positive energy quadcross the internet to a repressed culture see these mechanisms I don’t think rich is bad like sure there’s some parasitic should out there but I don’t watch that do I don’t know maybe if you have any weird day isn’t it yummy yummy snacks but even that kind of worries me a little bit cuz are we trying to be conscious or is it actually just hide live and fun we’ll hear something to put in a context and maybe is a checklist edir Sherwin of mine in the tundra World said this very bluntly about most porn you know that’s like popular at least now it’s it something I believe the list was there’s no love is no soul there’s no God in what’s being portrayed and there’s a specific details about the research that’s out on you know specifically how it affects and opens up dark doorways for demonic infection of of the Watchers you know they’re reporting in their own words and to help heal sex drugs and rock and roll and this is just I have clients that go on Pleasure probation because they’re used to addictive ideas of sexuality but I think we got to openly sexual channels we got to awake and if we are just about sex I am a cat like let’s fuck yeah that’s what everyone wants like I don’t want to do it with everybody but I probably do and I think we just got the facts about this shit so In-N-Out in a state of epidemiology where they’re serious consequences if it’s not done by certain ethical standards of course I’ll just say that as a disclaimer I’m not even looking at the porn industry like your I’m looking at who’s doing the fuck yes those are people I’m paying attention to who are the hybrids that they’re doing those interesting things if my focus is on that that’s what I tracked and that’s the Fuck Yeah Yeahs you literally are daily focusing on the awesome things around you it’s a real gratitude frequency but man I hope more complaining about pouring and start shooting some cool stuff like you’re so yummy that these goddesses leg the whole planet and God I feel like we’re not allowed to use God’s very often well I think there’s four categories of modern men and at the bottom you have douchebag at the bottom you have a man is above that you have douchebag above that you have gentleman and buy that you haven’t and that’s sort of a a template for initiation Through The Dark Age of human sexuality that we’re stuck in it right now but but yes owning that godhood is what country is all about you know and got to got his head in both side swapping the energies and feeling masculine and feminine or however you want to terminate you know if cycle through so that you get a full balance internal and external you know balance circuits balancing the well Channel well I would say it’s yummy it opens people up there having fun you know she’s got a good energy about it that’s what it’s all about love and write important is love I know that but it’s just because I’ve seen people that look like they’re having a lot of fun and actually are couples in love like it was very different than I thought in some ways it wasn’t in other ways it was in this like I’m saying it’s his hi Vibe I think you can’t hide by Bruce even in that I look more down on them political systems in Port in the mode of reactivity towards what we don’t like let’s say this the fuck are frequency one we’re in the future where fuck your frequency is the norm and what is human sexuality and sexual expression look like as a part of sustaining that fucking frequency why would you need it because you have sex because you have sexual access but you can also just say the whole Kingdom of Heaven is the port industry it’s just this beautiful fluffy enlightened space of Energy’s connecting with energies and whatever form they desire and yeah it’s a weird transformation is actually like I thought I was just mr. straight guy and then suddenly these goddesses are coming in and open up the hearts and you know like I feel transgender and I really feel like there’s be so I’m half woman and I should have known I was in for it because all the Hermetic texts and Gnostic texts talk about that androgyny in alchemy the man when you’re clocked at goddess activate your Diva comes in purple than the pangs make yummy and I know call guys gals and like I got that sassiness is coming in and style that I never thought was me and it’s way more me that’s a 95% flow with such as these fucking everything and everything store hacking at that like anywhere I can because gnostics didn’t look at the labels too much yeah that’s we don’t need to go down that rabbit hole but this since since you know this is Township Punk we’re talking about edgy sexuality and edgy transformation cultural transmission stuff so it fits if we end up you know in those bits of dialogue it’s totally appropriate for this medium so so I think we we got some fuk a frequency on the topic of Shadow sexuality and light sexuality and how to dance with both so what else can one do to be on track with her 95% fuck a frequency Lifestyle by linebacker a year what would we talk about you your it turned out like a fuck you out for used to being the sexorcist cuz it’s just like it’s you at I Vibe it’s a little fucked up and it’s fine I mean and that’s what I’m going to do is find what is that energy driving you I had a good friend to get all these projects you wanted to do that that’s it and then suddenly said you know I kind of just going to keep being weird like wizard chaos magic wizard and when he said that I was like that is 95% that’s his fuck yeah and so it’s like this Rockstar way of moving through reality where Nothing Stops it right in word State putting your heart into the walls psychedelic allegories I don’t know what I have to look into who is writing the stuff but it’s just like Rambo you know I watch Rambo game like this is a guy with PTSD who went nuts and like Snapped out and then broke down crying about all the suffering you endured as a combat veteran it was extremely subversive and I totally denied it for many years didn’t watch it I watched recently and I’m like damn I was I was missing out and there’s a lot of good is a surprising his love his messages so inhuman mine one of them along with Jean-Claude Van Damme of course I think the cake will he was the belly dancer bodybuilder and karate master with his own gym and stuff so yeah you seem kissing man and you see him saying I love you too man and watch them you know shrink away unfortunately the Ninjutsu all that stuff that was in Bloodsport I mean morning some of my you know early masculine programming Jose but man he stood out like he’s probably really glad to dated he’s at that 95% look how high when will he has you she had some bipolar issues I believe if I’m quoting the record accurately I know he’s suffered deeply a lot of people do to get successful that level so I don’t know what happened I don’t know what his true character ever was I don’t know what happened to it when he had you know when he got very successful I know that there is some some serious like inappropriate things that I think happened so yeah I mean I don’t I don’t want to quote well there is a a psychedelic backdrop to the artwork and the world that they’re in kind of interdimensional you know Travelers and whatnot and some shamanic & esoteric Concepts built into the the whole mythology of what he was and what is tapping into and you know it by frequency write the 95 percent extreme empowered Female warrior archetypes in the movie at least and so anyways just to but let’s talk about that cuz that’s kind of the fuck have frequencies you have to see life is but I have the power right yeah it’s Mythic instead of logical and yeah it’s Limitless talismans like all that shoots real like humans real yourself and they have to get your TV to self out to I got the power and the dance move the real inspiration dancing with sore as you know and that’s a whole art form in itself it’s just like the most coolest thing to say Michael’s kind of my guy and girl know he’s kind of that androgynous Warrior Place both sign it I swear I never thought I’d be like transgender and checking out guys and I now find everyone why do I miss out on 50% of the beauty on the planet that’s tragic does it mean it would be tragic them to not enjoy 100% of the beauty that walks the Earth I know we just met each other down so much but that gets into the demon stuff man you want to I think you want to approach that why don’t you open up the dungeon for a minute okay everybody we’re going to be having some trigger warning alerts for going to defend depend of the Shadow at this point if you have serious you know bring your headlamp we’re going into the shadow cave world the underworld and what are you tell us about this bowling ball illumination chapter sure and you know what I think I have a gift for everyone going to go through my little Shadow Journey sign me up there’s two things I get most calls about and you know people wanted to sessions about when they read the electric Jesus and that is the bowling ball the black bowling ball of anxiety in my gut and the weird ask cool alien contact stuff so this bowling ball anxiety I just you know I grew up in kind of a home that you might say that a lot of kind of verbal abuse and I think I internalize a lot of that overtime and also I really think there are these bugs there are these parasites but in my experience and not what you think at first that looks like a demon and I’ve been Illuminating cost of bugs and things like this and I put the frequency what it does is it moves through it I used to fight in feeling like try to fight negativity with negativity capacity just laughing and the great thing about the Pacquiao frequencies you can hit it 95% like you can hit it all day the problem by find a psychedelic medicines and all this even yoga is when you leave the mat you can’t leave the practice and if you’re just wrong 95% 95 Fox half monkey half of that stuff starts turning into Angels it starts turning into an integrated power I’m going through I mean it’s the bed sometimes it doesn’t hurt yeah that’s what it was done something to the effect if you gotten desert face your demons to become angels. so what are you waiting for you got to learn and if you’re not prepared yet you can’t get taken down really run but how many of us is the armor and loving yourself how do you love these how do we love ourselves that’s your study going to be your sexy sex or cyst and then I’ll do you know and that’s open to both male and female physiology where is it up your ass and around the corner at the P Spot a male G-spot the prostate gland that rhythmically with love providing love and pleasure and a medicinal effect occurs which is the demons dislodge and at that point you want to have a a sanitary disposal method in place so that you don’t end up propagating through the neighborhood or the apartment building whatever comes out you know so that’s the same sets in Container Park but that’s it that the female G-spot above the top of the vaginal wall with the come hither motion it can be stimulated and do try this at home but it requires training and it requires respect and knowledge and awareness informed consent about the kind of material that can move through the the chakra system when it’s when it’s stirred up and when it has to run and Scurry away from a disinfectant light of love that you’re should be receiving from your partner from your sexual Hands-On healer it’s fun to get a little high at night breathe energy Bree positivity enjoy yourself use some lube move the energy I like to not to come and just awake awake and then I do agree with the anus really prescribed a self-pleasure practice to all my clients cuz we need to get our balls back I feel like religion Society everything is cut our balls in your knees off and that’s why I’m spiritual folks feel so powerless Goddess that I know and have and have been influenced by quite a bit she said one time you know throwing your hands up shrugging men are afraid of their assholes and I laughed and then I was like you know but I wanted to cry because how silly would it be to be if it’s like you see make a joke I’ve been afraid of your own shadow how much of a coward are you if you’re afraid of your own ass, I know it’s so busy of my clients when they first began this is the last Pratt this is the last Practice still doing is trying to get your balls back so in your book you talk about your first time receiving such pleasure and such Adventure right you want to oh man I have a whole six adelic practice like you know you just get your groove on you work with the energy you young man but people focus too much on that I think building it up yourself about coming as a guy you found as much as they want Rollie talking about ejaculatory or non ejaculatory champagne bubbles going up and you know it’s a circus when you go and you hit that Bell and then the little ball goes up and hits the Bell the top that’s your pineal gland and that’s your root chakra and your sex chakra at the bottom you got a pound that orgasm up the central Channel and ding hit the veil at the top and that’s your shower v&t I don’t go light doesn’t start pounding it to the energy will go right up and open my heart to heart on the way to the head right yeah I saw to cut it when you were saying that like the the old love machine thread say like stinky fish are called fish like Hot Lover at the top of the motherfuker when you hit the sex chakra in Boones up and also what I think is a lot of people are not hitting that Tasha and bring it in this is the other red pill of the 95% this is probably the biggest one remember I said there were two reasons people reach out to me the electric Jesus tell me again black bowling ball and Aliens I think a lot of the reason people have black bowling balls is cuz they’re actually Galactic and they got like when they wake into that they just called the freak down they realize they’re kind of Star Energy and like it’s kind of like a homecoming so for those who have not read the book yet and who and who promised to read as soon as possible the black bowling up the black bowling ball in astral ecological terms what are we talkin about the well I think it’s multi-faceted you know you could say it’s demon in pain demon in pain demon in pain demon in pain demon demon missed a densely populated bosses and loaded with acts like a mining town of coal mining town gun can spider webs spiders for sure I have seen crazy noodles but then I’ve seen demon babies you sending babies I’ve been in the Hatchery adorable otherwise they will never go away the quickest way I know to love them is to find a Maduro Mall Dumont find an adorable even whisper and get them on their backs rub their bellies until they get what they need to move on someone said to me recently I activate the Divinity and all and if these are all forms you know so yeah do you forget that you’re you know of the light well in your mind you and send you on your way here stuff Milton go no actually I take a little more that’s that’s one of the pest control comes in with the higher dimensional beneficial Predators you come in at telling it like if you were terminated demon I’d say hit 95% all the freaking time remember her have a good time all the time right the first be but I do have all sorts of energy like I believed me again like you figure it out yourself you do the internal medicine you know you either maybe you need Saint Michael sword to stab down your spine or power of He-Man Atomic love bombs fluff It Up With Angels radio on Xena everything you got the first on your side to win the game The Love Game so that everyone else can also in the living room the path to Perfection is to love him Perfection loving the imperfection you know cuz his demons are things that are highlighting stuff in you to figure out what basically do you are you familiar with the a pass and what is it is a line and in the Bible of pardon my lack of knowing the rapper was it called a reverse right there’s a Bible verse and I can’t say exactly which one but people who know it will know it will recognize it it’s where Jesus is performing an exorcism on a person whose demons are channeled and speak to the person to say something is effective would you torment us before our time or it would be so basically this person’s fucked-up Karma gave us an assignment to go to torture them and torment then and make them physically mentally ill and that’s on them what are you doing here why are you coming to reassign us we’ve got a job to do and so it’s karma that attracts it there multiple doorways and entry points for interdimensional demons to persist throughout a G & D N A line through production and then there’s whatever you do in your own Lifetime and that’s on you but you absorb your parents, You observe your past life Karma and you Credit Karma every time you speak think and act in this lifetime that’s a lot of opportunity for opportunistic parasitic organisms from other dimensions to come in and build their ass but I wouldn’t hear your modelli but what I would say is don’t focus on that shit focus on rainbows and lollipops and Cyndi Lauper Girls Just Want to Have Fun and dance dance dance dance dance into your heart opens and blows the fucker incinerate them with sexual ecstasy and dance floor ecstasy MDMA if you can ride it Sylvester let’s talk about shrooms and you have a way of working with astral ecology at the sexorcist so this is the moment for you to share I use the thug a frequency the black. Plaster this I gave the the more scientific white paper lab report version of this in a previous podcast astral ecology with Tom Denney where it’s you know a little bit of a more yeah okay thank you so to match your frequency and be at the 95 percent frequency I’m going to say that you know I’m a Westerner and a white you know Caucasian male who’s semi bisexual and that’s my orientation or that’s my as a postmodernist wouldn’t introduce their their their paper their argument by trying to contextualize their own bias you know so there you have that disclaimer out of the way and so when I talk about encountering the Hindu goddess or goddess that exists Beyond cultural language it’s in a non cultural bound non culture-bound higher-dimensional beneficial predator in the astral ecology that performs a function in the garden of your soul back into ladybugs eating aphids and when you create create habitat and you encouraged the growth of beneficial predators in your garden than you have what’s called biological Pest Control happening and you don’t have to be out there individually fighting each of them one by one taking them off trying to poison them or incinerate then you obviously ecstatic love making ecstatic dancing and all the other ways to maintain a healthy mindscape is inhibitive to their growth but if their growth is so save dug in like termites where your house is condemned and that’s why you kill yourself is because you feel like your house is condemned because the demons have infested in rotted out every board there is an option and that option is to call upon the higher-level the higher dimensional high-level predators in the food web of the S to ecology and they can reduce that parasite load dramatically because that’s what they eat and that is constant and effect throughout visible nature in microbiology and it extends Beyond this dimension in that’s the lecture part of it the fuck yeah frequency frequency part is that I Know Myself personally and people who have worked with using this understanding in this methodology of of sacred chanting that evokes or invoke saw the goddess to to to do was call Daddy possession and your trance-state and become the goddess by invoking it into the flash this is what you can call Angelic possession and what Angels do they eat demons so call it whatever you want demons are edible to a higher level dimensional predator and snakes Kundalini snakes are your friends too because they help Munch up all of those noxious infectious Critters and creatures that are that are at Quest ring or Nest inside those 72000 nadi’s that connect to shaka’s that’s their habitats you were their habitat if you think of the nest of the biz in your not easy to do and what do you see you soon as sodium is in your chakras is beautiful rainbow light opening up the parts where the things got in rainbows coming here in call he’s coming in in the most beautiful black badass energy waves that she can you know what it looks like when you know when a raccoon when a pack of raccoons raid the nest of a rodent or does it look like fucking Carnage Bistro astral Carnage blood and say that yes and light and rainbows but I’ve also seen when you take a sort of light and you put it into a dark base it turns light pretty freaking quick is Martin’s lights just more powerful you know but that’s the thing is you’re calling in the big lady Khalif to do the work for us and you know I work with same Michael that way I think it’s pretty special that you got this really sexy dark black people are working with these Dark Healers like Trent Reznor and a bassoon Kali I think there’s a real teaching there like these Light Dark Healers and that’s why you’re so weird and I just cut share this wisdom well to tell you the truth as an initiate of a higher-level order of priestesses whatever Social Capital comes from my healing journey and like pseudo discovery of this technology the the mic goes to my Guru s my Shawn Mendes and my teacher who did the transposition state and became Kali and physiologically and trans-dimensional E performed an act of consumption of the Demons even built like I give all the love to the dime a man for cash bro I agree type your elders but man I think your new car would do you a lot of good it’s new on the inside well actually because you mentioned that I guess this would be a good time the best of of any time to to put on record that my service to the divine feminine you know is such that I owe my life to it at this moment and nothing to it but to her and to the real the real sword of shamanic election or initiation so I’m under orders you know as we speak and part of my future is going to be be emphasizing my my egoic aspirations you know and whatever money that comes in a huge proportion of it is going to be funneled directly into the Psychedelic goddess worshiping Priestess class that have certain you know that’s my thing has been in the movement for 20 years I hear you but it’s like yeah that’s I think that’s what we’re all doing what they’re about it’s a permaculture Mythic you know return of surplus you know not to accumulate anything too much in one area including your own ego including your own bank account distribute that where it’s needed so that everyone can be written up to the next level Yeah Yeahs live so I can share the wealth and I I really hope this movement I feel like the The Genius of its just salivating so quickly and it’s like this Quantum Renaissance is coming in I’m just enjoying kind of watching it getting another big ride into a great adventure but can we talk about this I want to apply the fuck you a frequency little nor like in a lot of people are the outfits are getting better from Sirius documentary movie about Ayahuasca to start doing some fun stuff about the culture that’s kind of bored of my things like I really want to see more like what was it reality hack Dublin scissors a lot of after I don’t want to miss school but I’ll paraphrase and say that you’re different fronts of the movement so to reach their highest and most gifted strategy and you would add to that do whatever you do in the fuck are frequency and document along with all the Sciences coming out in more of the Revelation where the fun more of the hands on how to application is that more action another level Beauty flash most I didn’t say I really want to see what people are doing in their backyards the fun weird stop someone from a kosher baby but I was dude BMX bikes and skating as a kid and people reading the school Ashton Kutcher skateparks man grow your own first aid Garden for those scrapes and bruises when you fall if you’re bored and just passed something arms I would do a video about combo tattoos where hey do you like looking like a indigenous badass but you don’t want to do all that puking and key tattoo and it’s got like you could get like different versions that the wimp has three the warrior has seven so like Boy Scouts patches or something fake tattoos that make you look like you are like easy access yoga pants I want to do with I’d like I just want to take over Iraq of where the movement sad and throw it about 50 ft for their head there’s a lot of fun stuff coming out but I think it’s still got to hit this next level where it’s into it’s making fun of it but totally celebrating enjoying it the same time it’s not just Pastiche and it’s not documentary it’s not shit new girl skit Newark New Age Girl Say and it’s not the documentary about Ayahuasca there’s there’s a new line that I want to see where the realities we are experiencing are being expressed I’m seeing it at the festival’s I can one seed in the movies in the music the music off the hook right now psychedelic reality TV show where they go on a world tour and you see them all trying to fight fire can see God in the real world I’m I’m so I’m so has a skeptical of of reality TV shows that’s all I got to say about exercising everybody good Beagle you have to write producers frequency is like I feel bad you were fuck yeah it’s just kind of magically manifested that you’re here I mostly clabber it 95% or above all have our own bullshit but it really the 90 funky as a good bull shit shit meter it’s been extremely helpful night I think yes Soul surfing I still surf with you on the stage at the Sugar Shack at the first Shaman at Gathering and and I felt it and that’s I yearn for that now you’re going to relive my childhood in a way that is actually a lot better than it actually was and that’s about staying excited we all getting a second childhood I think you know ivesta thing to Discovery in the news right now is all this health was just people had bad childhoods those with health issues in a bad mood to the food if he said it’s the last one of us II of things here like all of these tyrants throughout history it’s just one cascading momentous bad mood until the Kingdom of Heaven is a good mood away either you just can be a little lazy here in life cuz they give you the big ideas you know a lot of people come to me for your book title ideas and stuff and the guys always come up with really great things and I think that’s really part of the magic about the quantum Realm Eugene maybe more channels channels open up you get to do more than one thing in life you know look at you you’re a musician you’re a writer during SEC sources do you know I’m a shamanic personal trainer writer public speaker it’s just follow your dreams what are you all say to tapestry of the tapestry of that ass for me text Asia you never know how it’s going to unfold either do you know I can’t admit I couldn’t imagine myself being where I’m at now you know several years ago by any means I’m get you every time God bless God bless everyone going out there going through it you know yeah it’s just like I love things like this pain I feel like we’re coming to the close is Siri any Grand Finale kind of sentiments this is exactly what I intended was kind of a a freestyle you know what I mean a freestyle for us all you know from the heart and and from the head and Nike with some humor to seed you know the future with some of these key words that are starting to like become you know memes you know they could pick it really be useful constructed meme so as mimetic designers romantic Engineers with the conscience spell and in with the vision oh God you’re so articulate I love that we have a practical guide for sexorcism he’s going to be writing an article so keep tuned for that and I have my funky a frequency if anyone’s interested I’m starting sessions I’ll give you an hour and a half after half an hour to get a free electric Jesus blah blah blah but if you kind of been wanting to do a fuc yeah I kind of program and see where where you can go just reach me my sights it’s a psychonaut – tala t a l a t. Com yes and we’re here at space camp again enjoying the beauty the moon’s out well I’ll stay you know my closing thoughts which is one I love you brother your inspiration a hero to me and and it’s an honor and privilege and duty to be here in this moment to take ourselves a little less seriously and have some fun and as far as you know my offering right now it’s still sort of in in development and I don’t want to say I’m going to have to wait until we build an ark in international waters can be able to do this stuff without the black helicopters on top of his butt stay tuned and I’m embedding some of these recipes for liberation of the soul in my in my heart and in music so in writing so there you have three have it well but I really appreciate your integrity my intention all along was to bring out the wild stuff and be a little bit of fun trouble and I think you I really enjoyed it thanks bro I haven’t done I haven’t done an interview in a very long time this is my coming out for the new thing so it’s nice to pop my cherry with it’s the third anniversary of 2012 right this year something right this second thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. 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This episode is a conversation with Mark A. Michaels (Swami Umeshanand Saraswati), an old-school east coast punk rocker who’s been initiated into a traditional tantra lineage and has been co-authoring books and teaching tantra with his beloved wife for many years.
We discuss the complementary aspects of the punk rock movement and the tantric path of consciousness expansion and personal, spiritual, and erotic empowerment.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello Jennifer Lopez welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode 19 this is an interview with an old school Punk marc-michaels who is now a tantra instructor and author so we’re talking a lot about pumpkin Contra and how it all weaves together so hope you enjoy it non-stick welcome to the point podcast marc-michaels I’m so glad to have you here to talk about Tantra and the punk rock movement and down she want to give some background on yourself and then maybe then we can set it to some of the other house that my life has taken over the years so I first started studying country back and I think 97 and transformational experience with it pretty much right off the bat and spent the next two years or so studying with with everyone I could eventually ended up taking teacher training in a kind of more American sexualized form of Tantra and and certain aspects of that relate to resume for a well for me and sow a goddamn end at that point I met my partner up a Trisha Johnson we started looking for more traditional lineage based out of training and we found our art teacher by dr. Mumford or 20 another capella saraswoti he’s based in Sydney and he really which one of the Pioneers in bringing the sexual aspects of Tantra to the West in the mid-1970s I hear he was initiated in 76 and came back and gave a series of Seminole lectures on the subject and 77 and we will you know we’ve been his disciples now for going on fifteen years he initiated me as a Swami in 2003 and mavis’s is lineage holders that we’ve we do have a a traditional Indian traditional background her first book was based on those lectures he gave and 70 specs and it’s called the essence of Tantra sexuality reply to work backwards in a way from not stuck with a second book called time for cirrhotic empowerment which is more of a workbook and a kind of introductory introductory that our next book which is which came out in 2012 is called the Great Section 8 Simple and it’s it’s a real beginners book on top in a kind of tip format but being sting to people we are we couldn’t resist including a lot of pretty esoteric stuff in there so I didn’t even people who have a lot more experience with with the tradition you know might find some some surprising new elements in that book and finally our recent my most recent book which came out last February is a much more General kind of book called partners and passion a guide to great sex and Missy and long-term love and it’s really a relationship book that draws on our 15 years together and then all of our work teaching you know worldwide and and it’s fully informed by a background in Contra but it’s it’s not a pocketbook purse a setup a nutshell overview of the conflict side I also have a law degree from NYU and and did American Indian law for about a decade and I also have a couple of degrees in American studies graduate-level stuff so I’d background that’s certainly had a lot of more kind of academic training as a as a piece of that wow that is amazing I think you just became my personal hero and I’m standing up for everything and I’m exhausted all the books because I did a Google search I’ve been studying this field for a while but it was recently that I came across your work and and yeah I feel I feel great affinity and more and more SM can you talk so do you want to talk a bit about the role of punk rock in your life is and how that jives with all this stuff I don’t know maybe five or six years ago and I hadn’t really until that time thought about how these kind of different strands in my life of overlapping and entwined but but looking back on it and then I guess feeling a little bit alienated from some of the more new AG stuff that’s out there I I I started looking back at my my roots and pumpkin and seeing how these two things really connect and Heather are very much the same thing in a way I was I grew up in New York City in the in the 1970s and well you know early on kind of a wannabe hippie but I was twelve and not really it was in a lot of ways I was fascinated by it but I was I was too young and I think I would have things I want to say about Punk thing we’re all hippies now and looking back you know almost 40 years later I think there’s a lot of Truth in that but you know we at in that first generation of punk rockers work in reaction against what are older for the people the age of our older siblings were doing it and so there was with kind of opposition to it that we all we all Express back then but good looking back I think in many ways it hasn’t worked in a finity that I would ever have admitting in 1976 but I I discovered my my first experience with punk rock was actually it in 1975 and it was at the end of the Vietnam War concert in Central Park is a big free concert with all kinds of folk movement celebrities and was still Oaks his last last performance I Believers are very close to his last and Tom Paxton and Joan Baez been there quite a few letters but the thing that really stood out for me was a performance by Patti Smith and she did just did Hey Joe and piss Factory it’s at that concert but it was like nothing I’ve ever seen before and I was just really taken by it a little weirded out by it a little intimidated by it she talked about the connection between rock and roll and violence and you know at the end of the Vietnam War concert that was a pretty shocking thing for someone to say so I just for the file that away and then a few months later there was a front-page article in the New York Times magazine about her and it was right before horses came out and I was you know I remember having seen her I was very intrigued and I probably got the record but certainly the first pigs that she didn’t support right after the record came out with the bottom line in New York and I was 75 so I was 16 I got a friend’s older sister who was a big fan two to take me to the bottom line it was a lot easier to get into clubs back then and I we we smoked a joint in the car before the before the show by by the end of the show I was completely no longer high and we were just neither one of us could move it was so powerful and profound and I sorta got hooked after that so from there I started going to see the TVs a couple of months later and pretty much saw all of that you know the first generation of New York punk rock and and became quite devoted to the whole scene so I think we might be kind of a different generation of a punk rocker but are totally 15% cotton from looking at your your material and in your side yeah yeah definitely the lineages evolving in and it’s it’s own I think of it as you heard of the aghori to do cold getting attached I think about the absolute pronunciation of all of all kind of smashed everything sacred because it was rebelling against this is so many different levels of corruption within religion of course in and then also this type of identification with material wealth in prestige in all of the things that supposed to be smashing through to get to the heart of being and no justice in raw Primal Rage in rebellion in 10 so icy I feel through the different phases of evolution in punk rock it’s it’s reflecting that I didn’t post to shed the material and get deeper into the spiritual but there’s been a lack of guidance I think in the punk rock movement and can I feel like I’m very compelled now having gotten to Tantra to bring some of the principles and teaching into the my still very well connected to a guest role within the punk rock Community still and still being outside can musician and I still have albums coming out and I still have a role to play there is much older there’s parts of me that want to can’t move away from that move further away from it and moved more towards Consciousness and more an hour away from the alcohol abuse and the and the mosh pit and dancing in sacred geometrical forms rather than in the mosh pit which is this kind of like tomorrow said yeah I guess that agrees to do kind of kind of approach that what do you know back in there in the really early days of New York in the end I think this thing that was maybe different about that moment was there was a lot before so there was no more I mean we you know Max isn’t cbgb’s it was tables because New York has these weird laws against dancing so there was no match pets people might stand around the stage but that whole kind of thing is it’s sort of emerged out of the British the British seen and and sort of I think it’s the LA kind of Hardcore signal came along more like around 1980 or so but you know 76 77 it was a real person and really Bohemian movement but I think shared more like a lot more expensive bility than sound because you had bands is the versus television Talking Heads you know Ramones Blondie different kinds of sounds and I think that I found one of the key pieces for me as a kid was like it didn’t matter who you were you know it was like at cbgb’s you had I didn’t know if this was a Hells Angel Fire so you had like pallets Angels there and then you have you know we are kids you have you have really kind of just beer drinking Guys from Brooklyn and then you’d have like Artie people from New York and and it it was a place where any kind of Misfit with 10 and it was it was wonderful in that way I think Patty was the real in a book The toddy Smith was the real monster Talent became out of that scene and see to me was always very very consciously and her performances and there was a distinctly contract and transgressive element that side to me it sort of fell into being self-indulgent sometimes when she was on she just took you into this whole at around quitting balls going through some pretty dark and unpleasant very dark and unpleasant kinds of places to to get there and then you have a I’m fascinated by your your work with the the Native American law and did you feel like your progression from Punk into more formal activism within new advocacy type of work with that was that the directional is going from in your you’re here by illegal Korea honestly not really I I I don’t see a deep connection between those two things I think I mean a lot of my life has been about service so and that was ten years of of really doing service and you know supporting supporting a community that is not my own in really working as in service to them you know I think a lot of a lot of white people think I want to go help others that they do they they often will do it in a kind of kind of lipstick William and I felt like my job at that time was to to keep my mouth shut and listen and and learn and and make myself available and I don’t have a bunch of other things in the intervening seven or eight years between moving away from Panguitch I got kind of turned off by the scene in the in the early 80s because there was just so much so much drug abuse and I think one of the final kind of turning points for me was I had been friendly with with Johnny Thunders when I was in college and my band open Fruit for his band a couple of times and stuff for this is and I went to Michigan and he was in Ann Arbor for 4. Of time and I came back to New York and it was probably 1982-83 and I went to see, yet it was just is his addiction was consuming and at that point and and it was just depressing and I really kind of felt this since it was time for me to start moving on and getting more and more into kind of American Roots Music which you know it has it has a lot of the same sensibility and authenticity to it but I was feeling a little bit that I’d outgrown what was happening in the in the punk scene. And I was kind of during my my law school years and then I worked in theater for a while as well so we definitely have had a kind of similar fractal evolution in different ways yeah from getting into the raw Primal passion and power and spiritual dimensions of punk rock and and then getting kind of more refined into our personal spiritual practices and also her service and and I’ve gotten kind of professionally into a permaculture design and edible landscape design stuff and ecological service and restoration work and and if yeah I had this ZIP honks at the expense and kind of evolved with me in different ways and ultimately took the past Securities pass to end up in serious relationship with the Tantra tradition and trying to I understand it as fully as possible and seek lineages to work within and get beyond the surface of the type of better sex and all that obviously a good thing and it’s kind of what we’ve allowed people to that to this time I’m kind of at a point where I wanted to integrate the sidse empowerment aspect of contract with the the mission of punk and the mission of of different forms of activism and social justice and environmental justice and what I’m discovering and and have been practicing over the last several years is that there’s this has been this completely taboo and seemingly a Colts and hidden realm of power a whole dimension for a multiplicity of dimensions of power that come from being conscious and intelligent directed use of sexual energy to energize and to manifest and to heal heal and to sustain positive healthy co-creative and synergistic Human Relationships there’s all these I don’t want to say weapons but I don’t want to say tools that can be you know applied and adapted from from Tantra that can really solve a lot of problems I feel for dissolution activists and people who have for Serta bearing the wound during the wounds of the Kali Yuga as it’s called you know in the Hindu tradition in pain like I’m I’m feeling very drawn compelled to help people who are struggling with this some the reality that we live in obviously and I are going against the mainstream and then not having spiritual tools to sustain their sense of well-being and balance and to avoid the drug addiction and avoid the violence and avoid the bad and dangerous sex and the unconscious behavior and have more of that light energy falling through that Hearts face that’s coming from the disillusionment and what’s you know all the lyrics and all of the Power and rage of the punk rock movement you know a lot of it in that people just end up going getting sucked into a black hole pain and not finding something to piss like a platform of life that can help them be elevated and I feel like that’s the there’s a lot of that to be learned from personal Tantra practice and also understanding this the Deep history of it visa Vie its relationship to it’s kind of like a prescription for this this demonic Kali Yuga time that were in this is like the gifts that was designed for people to be able to hold their bearings with all this pressure to start stage kind of pressure and I’m wondering if you how you feel about that kind of strategic application for people who are activists are punks or people who are fighting in the shadow and and I’m kind of at a loss for question but enhance I mean I think that you know my own experience would have been in activism is that because you’re intent upon degree actually even with teaching and writing and traveling is that if you were really in a roll of of being serviced and working to help others if they can be very easily easy to neglect your own your own while being on your own space and so having some kind of practice I am some kind of capacity to look Inward and then recharge is essential because if you don’t have that you you will burn out very quickly so that’s that’s one piece I mean on the punt side of things I’m thinking about kind of going back to the early days the difference between the class in the sex pistols and I think people have ten to two pieces to this one is that people tend to associate like the epitome of Punk with with the sex pistols and they really were pretty nihilistic when you get down to it and and pretty much driven by rage the class really were kind of different than and then suddenly there was anger and frustration and and especially in the early material but they were much more about a vision of Love Community about a vision of a future where people treated each other differently and so I think looking back you know that that was a real Fisher within the movement I’m and unfortunately swerved you know especially seeing younger kids idolizing Sid Vicious I just kind of got disgusted because I think that’s that was sort of a perversion and away if of what it was really all about adding another piece of that pit that maybe got lost is like there’s a lot of the early New York men’s had this incredible sort of dark humor about them and I think that’s an important thing for people to keep in mind to it’s like if you can’t laugh why are you do you know and then sometimes it’s really appalling stuff but it’s one of the ways that we can help process yeah it was just an absolute Entre Workshop where one of the exercises was to look at look at various issues and and then laugh just allow yourself to laugh about it even if it was heinous stuff just getting in that space and then be able to reclaim some power around it and not be just going by the pain all the time and I’m thrilled that you have such extensive traditional training and end I think I’m God is so many ways to Define this sometimes nebulous feel that subconscious but I think I’m the one dimension that is coming up for me right now is the idea of the sort of alchemy of dissolving Polar Opposites into a swirling spiraling Union of totality that you can Embrace synonym sort of sigh of relief that you’re not being stretched into the stream positions of opposites in Union goal of the lovemaking Rachel and all that but as far as healthy a healthier way to integrate the Shadow and not just be consumed by it did you yeah if you can you talk a little bit about just your some of the differences between the the the more traditional lifelong Guru initiation Tantra cast in nn how that relates to what people are just we getting in to know about the tantric sex stuff is different about the traditional linear space is it there’s an idea of power and transmission that comes when you’re initiated by someone in and you know that is something that I’ve experienced than I’m having a level of accountability to not trust your teacher but to the whole lineage of being more grounded I think that one of the big differences is that in the in the more linear space even if you’re even if you’re instructed in the sexual aspects there’s so so so much more than 10 sexuality that is that it involves it’s it’s really an approach living and you know in our in our work with Dr Munford I mean we please pass the sexual teachings on to us but she’s never rely directly taught us anything sexual and different ways to meditate it’s really about going deep with them and see the funds contras tool for expansion and the tool is your you’re you’re not even what you’re expanding is your Consciousness and really any experience that you’re having as an opportunity to do that if you approach it with the right mindset so I think that also tends to get lost in in much of the popular stuff that’s out there that the country is not it’s not a set of sexual practices it’s not at something you do when everything is going right and you flipped handles and you know you’re having a great ritual with it with a partner it’s really about how you live your life every moment and to you as I just finished reading a book called Township have to ecstasy and it was the rule Southworth church first thing sucks is that it’s really help me get more of a deeper appreciation for the yeah they obviously the deaths in The Roots end and something very interesting that I felt it struck me immediately reading it was was this notion that the the township pass was was according to my understanding is that are my interpretation reading a book is that it is just that there was more of a type of age in the Hindu World ages they anticipated the coming of the Kali Yuga part of the cycle which was this dark demonic stage of spice and you know I want to see spend because of the baggage with that but but but but definitely this sort of pressure to succumb to the Demonic forces that that that the real it’s not like a like a cartoony hokey mythological notion of of evil in the world or demonic entities it’s is very phenomenological the way that they ate the way that they understand this influence of dark energies into the human psyche in human culture and soul lyrics tactical preparation for this age was to develop what was actually a very strip down and reduced spiritual practice to the complexity of those country was only a fraction of the totality of the spiritual path but it was just enough to hopefully help us get through this Dark Age that we’re going through and it’s it’s like telescoping in extremes of darkness and now with all those people have obviously my journey we have less and less time to practice anything spiritual to do anything in the inner Realms of a being because of all the distractions and all of the demands and all of the Stillman it’s like to the human consciousness is getting more and more male forced away from these two practices and it just seems to be fulfilling a prophecy that we’re in this really dark time and the dishes like a sort of a gift that was given to humanity to help us navigate these times and find some power imbalance and few have did that something you’ve come across this sort of a spiritual warrior path I guess I don’t know exactly how to frame into a into a question but that’s that’s where this Punk thing is the punk Anna Tantra is not just a way to experience the four more beautiful and Rich life that you know kind of the new age you think of just but it’s more it’s for me I see it I see it now more than ever is is more of a spiritual empowerment in the context of this the negativity that were in in an RN and giving us a sort of Duty to be service workers are lightworkers in and cleaning resistance you know that’s that’s the word I’m looking for a passive resistance and of resisting the temptation to fall into the darkness and also resisting by bringing light do our bodies and through our relationships to shine down the shadow of this age until we get to the next part of the cycle where it should be easier is that any of that one thing I would say is that it is definitely a path of resistance and transgression and not complying with what you know what the dominant society says want to do and I think if you go back to really there’s a book called Kiss of the Allegheny with I think it’s the best storical analysis of Tantra and he really does feel hotter is David court and white and he really talks about the origins in the in the early, narrow if it’s not a it’s a tradition is somewhat make it out to be and and the Really oppositional nature of it at that time reacting against sort of Orthodoxy in in that. And India while drawing on some very old aspects of the cultural Traditions that existed there and so it is it definitely oppositional I think that one of the things and I’m not sure this is in total agreement with what you suggested but it may be a different way of looking at it is that part of the Alchemy in Contra and end it is implicit in the symbolism of Kali is it that you you really want to dive into the darkest stuff and through that process of driving in you’ve transformed what might be perceived as as dangerous adversarial threatening to you horrifying Etc into something that’s a tool for empowering yourself and so we can’t we can’t eat a week at our Peril we ignore the darkness and we’re try to pretend that all we’re doing is dancing in the light so there is a there’s a real there is a warrior past there is a you know there is a ferocity to it and and that’s that’s that’s absolutely true instead of thinking about polarities which you know which is definitely part of the tradition but what we like to teach people is that yes there are these poles of you no energy and Consciousness if you want to call that masculine feminine time of being aware and as of tuning out and what we really want to strive for in life is being able to move along the full spectrum between those perceived polarities so that were were sort of more fully there and have more choice about how we are in the world at any given moment cool yeah that’s good thank you for entertaining these supposed to bury esoteric thoughts on the stuff in and getting more practical people which everyone has almost everyone has the specs driving and and seeks to be loved and to love and to be in a relationship and more and more things are kind of a rotating the coming just to modify the hyper teknologize modern lifestyle is making it more and more difficult for people to spend quality time together into a heel and sustain a relationship so so if you if we if you want to speak for bit about some some of your tips for staining relationships without having without being with most of us not having the ability to get to get initiated by Guru in spin really get immersed in his life path. What what are some you know handfuls of of tips and tricks that people can use to acquire this and then this is something that Patricia and I think about a lot you know because we are 21st century Americans were not 9th century Indians and then have What What In This tradition really resonates what’s applicable across cultures what’s applicable in our current situation and in the in the rituals and if the sexual rituals in ancient mantra spell Alka-Seltzer to the extent that has practice today it’s still there the sexual ritual would involve sometimes a partner who is selected at random but the record of the ritual in the end the function of the rituals that each person is dare to be in service to the other to worship the other as an embodiment of god or goddess and to facilitate the other in achieving mystical experiences through the sexual ritual so the attitude is one they’re going back to the word service again but the attitude is one in which each participant is there to be in service to the other and how does that translate into a you know 21st century relationship model well for one thing one of the reasons they picked people at random sometimes was because it’s a lot easier to worship, you don’t know then to work with someone you do because you don’t have all of the you know the baggage in The Impressions that you carry with them and so on so what we think is to carry this idea from the sexual into all aspects of your relationship you know and that’s why they are monogamous Holly configuration or whatever to bring this out of reverence and service into your interactions course it has to be mutually agreed upon him in any relationship because it’s only one person is doing it at that type of service and reference into all of urine tract have it in the back of your mind even when you’re having you know an argument or something it can be really transformational and I think I’d the concept of reverence is something that across-the-board we are losing and losing fast in this you know in this culture everything’s disposable you know it’s obvious and how people are really Cavalier and you know and how they they treat the planet and how they treat each other and so it’s a it’s really a radical thing to do to try to live with Reverend you don’t have to have any belief system to do that either I think that’s really important it’s not about you know a belief in a day Eddie it’s it’s really an attitude of being in the world I don’t know one of the great things about Tantra is that you know it’s it’s belief is really secondary I mean if you want to believe in in the sense that the chakras are real that’s even talk to your real that’s perfectly fine but you can also just see them as as symbolic you can see them as metaphor you can see the chakras as a kind of tool for visualizing your internal energetic world you don’t have to accept them is physically real so it’s a pain it’s not about what you believe it’s not really doing what what work experience and your other question which is the Kundalini experience I think is something that I feel portable a good part of my activism is six six sexual health education and holistic special education that gives people switch that mean I guess I just kind of framing this begin within the context is wow do you know with it. She was created by people who had who had an easier time having more having such a deep and enrich spiritual life where they really designed human culture to be in right alignment with nature and were we’re just hygienic spiritually so that there wasn’t so much pathology and so much just fragmentation and social disease and if they had more blessed than more intimacy with the Divine and intimacy with each other and that was you know this experience I can only imagine what it would be like having grown up in this reality of absolute materialism absolute schizophrenia about sexuality and all these things that a disorder and then so the country was with that was supposed to be a help us get through this time and then now we’re in a time where it’s even we have even less time and so the special like this hand stretch out stretching to us in the present moment of of these gifts of wisdom and in and so really it is more and more buried and I’m scared even presents to know her tour like you’re saying reference for things just kind of like not even cool it’s like what are you doing aren’t you shouldn’t you be texting somebody or ridiculing something in the moving on to the next internet meme or the next tweet or something just completely orwellian and it’s reduction of the complexity of experience that was a long a long practice to something I think is maybe want maybe will only be able to train this generation to potentially have ejaculation control and that would be as far as the eye that would be a huge Great Leap out of this Dark Realm that were in so that they can be more percent better serving in being better service to their love-making Partners if they can last longer because they do this press and energy circulation in and they can have multiple orgasms for continuous longer-lasting orgasmic wavespace and that’s one of the I guess the the gift of it and then another thing is is I like I would love to see people in modernity discover Tantra and then instead of having this idea of fucking and getting laid and getting lucky they’re having this idea of how who am I going to find a co-creative magical a synergistic co-creative magical manifestation partner with who will who will Who will sit with me and be present and we’re going to stir up the Kundalini Shakti energy and have it on coil so that we know I stopped into these other Realms so fast airplane I think those if men can and can learn how to control ejaculation and the and a cursory knowledge of the chakra system can be can be instilled and then this yearning to 2 to invite in the show me Shakti energy if that could be known about I’m feeling very compelled to try to get people aware of that potential so that it’s not just getting off and ejaculating in conquering someone’s body and leaving them with cab fare which is you know sadly and then all the horrible porn that people are addicted to end the violence and the domination that’s being propagated through that so yeah do you have any tips for male ejaculation control and the Kundalini experience in any any would say that in my view in it in our training at the issue of of ejaculation is is not quite so important and in fact if you go back to the early rituals that was Central to the to the entire ritual so just a big caveat up front on this and I think that the idea of control is is a bit of a pitfall to because I’ve seen it happen where it just becomes another vehicle for sort of machismo so what what I was taught to think about was more regulation and control I like that word better yet so that’s one piece of that I think the other piece of it the purpose of non ejaculatory taxes as I see it is it’s a learning tool it’s a way to learn to separate the orgasm from the station from your chocolate or a response and once you’ve learned that and you can sort of you have freedom to play around with it and and explore a much broader range forecast my possibilities what I would say is that in our culture people who are born grow up and identify as male have not had the opportunity to explore sexuality in the way that at least some women have you know there’s a whole kind of Betty Dodson movement of self pleasuring with awareness and and as a tool for expanding Consciousness but if you’re if you’re if you have a penis in your and you’ve grown up mail and you have the feedback loop of erection ejaculation you know NM think that’s exactly a shin and orgasm at the same thing it’s really easy to just get stuck in that loop with limits your your possibilities and it’s so there hasn’t been an equivalent of daddy. Sindhu for a first-rate man there has been a bit more in the gay community with Body Electric and Joe Kramer and then that whole aspect of things but if you have a brother is kind of a typical straight American guy you got a very limited understanding of sex quality handyman and sexual self-exploration is something basically like you don’t do because it’s all there right in front of you so more than ejaculating and not ejaculating free much more Consciousness and awareness to two male sexuality and I’m getting out of the kind of hyper-masculine mindset that much younger man I mean not long ago we had a couple of conversation with women in their 20s about this and a book launch at our current title at a local restaurant in one of the wait staff said how I really like to bring home to my boyfriend but if I did he’d be insulted and that was kind of at once through shocking and and sad because I think guys are socialized to think I’ve got a know-it-all and if anybody suggest that I need to learn anything why we’ve heard this from much older man as well I don’t need your book I know it all maybe you don’t need your feet are both but you know maybe maybe our bucks would be really helpful and give you some new new new possibilities and then these things to explore the socialization is so strong that you can’t allow that but I think you know men by larger really really confined by the demands of what it means Cena what culture says it means to be masculine as a musician I study the music industry and I I don’t do no I don’t I can’t say I don’t fantasize about having let’s say personally I think it be possible for me to have could just have a bit of influence if your music career and but I look at the real rock gods and the real people who are defining Global masculinity for young men today are the the pop stars you know there’s a real Shaman says it’s better that the shortest Blackmagic shamans and fortunately I mean I guess I shouldn’t I’ve heard of people paid if you if you’re not healing people and you doing Blackmagic on you a little longer a shaman is a shaman healer but let’s just stay at in their cauldron of patriarchal sexual dominating violence they’re basically shaping the attitudes for all men in the end it would just be the goal that I have would be to somebody if it’s not me who has the mic on the stage if I at least I could be rubbing off on people in those industry in the higher level of Industry to to create Reverend stickler around the love making you know staying in and I mean can you just imagine if some of these these icons were were making videos that were showing the real way to worship the Beloved as a goddess and that would be a nice thing with the with the Kundalini Shakti experience thing I feel like that’s the proof in the pudding and that’s the way the sort of shocking wake-up call this is Alexis electrical energy this powerful surge of energy is what kind of spiritual and religious Traditions have a hard time I think really authentically delivering a repeatable mystical experience the Kundalini experience which requires some procedure to access some people have it spontaneously out of nowhere and I have what what is a clinical psychologist call Kundalini syndrome which can if you know people can snap their neck people can have disordered Minds face and dizziness and all kinds of negative still at serious side effects from from premature Kundalini sort of experiences and so on the one hand I’m staying to myself this is the vicious human sexuality 2.0 everyone’s getting into I mean in the midst of all this toxic pouring I’ll let you know if I’ll inform there is also the sexy people who are who are giving people tools for more pleasure and stuff but the real Mex Mex level is when humans win Global Humanity as can if I the internet understand that there is this natural phenomenon this sort of force of nature that the Kim to the Holy Ghost this experience of move something is here and it is not what I considered to be me and it’s not like you’re considered to be you and it is this massive Niagara of energy that’s tangible flowing through a systems in how do you know we have to that that’s kind of like the the real money shot the real the real thing to do to speak to a team and it’s been in it doesn’t require Decades of worship at the feet of a guru to access it really can be accessed being a sub for a minute and then there’s the whole fire-breathing Jedi Knight orgasm using the force to induce these full body orgasmic waves and that’s like another parlor trick of times it is coming out butt I’m so I’m feeling like I’m going to be an evangelist of of Awakening Kundalini and that’s going to have people go okay while we’ve been stoled a real a real week you’re the sort of them we’ve been scammed with what we’ve been taught sexuality than this is a way to start to open up to its being way more bass in this potential and but there is this element of danger with it so I’m wondering and you were training what do you have warnings advise anyting medical spiritual in our tradition the ideas that Kundalini has really acted in in us all the time and what the practices are about is really about bringing awareness to them to the energy and so it’s sort of a different model from The Awakening kind of idea and I will say I had a pretty much spontaneous Awakening myself which fortunately I kind of was informed about what it was and therefore was able to manage should I also was done a lot of therapy before so I knew myself pretty well I think what happens often when people have these experiences is that they don’t have a framework in which to put it and then and not causes them to freak out psychotic break is this ultimately leading to Greater integration or not practice is about creating a container in which that energy can be managed in and worked with me that’s not the only point but it’s one of the points and if it’s why there’s you know in many Traditions there is a years and years of study and practice before before you get into the really intense energy moving stuff so if you have the Awakening type experience prematurely I think they’re kind of the three potential potential negative outcomes one is that it is actually some kind of episode of mental illness in the end and in that case you really need to seek help right away the other is that you don’t have you don’t you haven’t developed the container or you’re not in a contact swear where you understand enough to be able to make the most of it or you just have it and go home from the weekend and and don’t do anything with it so what what’s important is that there be some kind of foundation laid before before people start going for the big the big energy movements I think it’s a pitfall 2 of the kind of Workshop culture that we have in in the society that you know you go to a weekend workshop and you have a peak experience and you go home and then a lot of people I think don’t have a way to integrate Peak experience into their own lives or don’t have a way to make it happen for themselves when they want to so it just meant it’s like okay me to spend more money on Workshop yeah that’s it that’s that’s an interesting I have a sick kind of semi always saves you really think that original Karate was designed to be taught you know a couple hours a week so that you get your black belt and move on and smell these were people that this was it a life not and not just a lifestyle either it was an absolutely fully encompassing religious spiritual physical everything past 7 and I’m still again we’re just in the fragmented reality so much and inspect experience that makes you feel like you you’re your actual body is that you can sense the perimeter of your body being several many times larger than what you’re used to and then you have to go back into a cubicle on Monday work through this has been studying it I feel like what seems to be happening is the people that have the real discombobulated and kind of dramatic and and painful and disorienting experiences of the first ones they have I get to way that I’ve heard described that this if you haven’t opened your valves and been conditioned the noughties you know the electrical current in Turkey chakra interconnecting kind of circuitry if you haven’t cleanse those and condition them and widen them and dilated them so that’s the pressure fire hose for a fire hydrant kind of pressure If you’re trying to connect your kitchen sink to a fire hydrant dilating and expanding and then you become more of me like you’re saying it’s it’s always there and then you can be with it on a regular and uneven a constant basis and a night for me I feel like dancing is a huge part of are you guys people dance your way into the bedroom into the lovemaking ritual and then you will have and then massage you know if you can massage in dance in a pyramid that leads to sexual unions then you’re going to have really really prepared and dilated all those subtle energy Pathways to be able to receive more and more and then take it all the way and then of course all the emotional blockages that people have if this is this make it’s this fire of purification where you can actually burn off lifetime is of karma if you have your really gnarled up inside with all these emotional knots and this thing is just going to rip through it all it’s going to be Carnage I feel like is the Kundalini if you were to take aerial shots you know if they’re punks in the mosh pit doing a circle pit in there that is weaving into this higher-dimensional communal Synergy space I do feel I’m pretty much at the end of my my thoughts here so I’ll leave it with that the triumphs of the Kundalini Circle pit did not contact when that energy is moving well and it’s not really you know gratuitously violent there is just incredible sort of ebb and flow and weaving that’s going on it among the people and I think that that’s weird that’s the kind of collective ecstasy that you get in kirtan as well and it in a different kind of format and and it’s all about that sort of transcending the limits of your your own self and feeling a connection outside you know the word yoga means Union so it’s it’s a different form but it’s it’s all about that beautiful yes in a little more I just sit here thinking imagining it is I’ve seen absolute Supernatural miraculous Feats of super male aggressive violent venue seat quite amazing Miracles that it break laws of physics happening at is the Kundalini Shakti thing going on so much do you want to give your websites or any leaves for people to follow and I’m definitely going to be pulling up in and checking out your stuff and getting into a really appreciate everything he isn’t Patricia Emma Emma cinemark.com Tantra pm.com and people can find our books and we’ve got a couple of instructional films in a meditation CD as well so I can find out all about all that stuff on our site all right thank you so much now I Stay America 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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved so welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 6 this is a conversation that I had about radicalism activism and spirituality with a dear friend and Mentor Arena so I hope you enjoy it and learn a lot and I mistake I’m going green now is especially my talk to her mainstream Consciousness from buying green products to trying to get more to this abstract concept is Mother Earth where you know it’s kind of a whereas from a more traditional cultural perspective it’s actually experiential and something is very real and very different types of feminine energies and all of that I think it’s becoming more apparent green Consciousness and you know the re-emergence of the goddess in a in a very abstract symbolic an on-and-off and commercialized way you know what this better nothing great but there’s a different deeper need to to go back further in time and to reconnect with deeper roots of connectedness I think you know to to the planet and Consciousness and energy and Divinity and there’s definitely a lot of time-tested methodologies and techniques and kind of sacred modalities to for people to in modern modern people who are there ways you can teach people in modern society how to find that within themselves within the plant cells have a long introduction but I just wanted to tie in the context of why this is relevant to going green and I think it is important to I look at things in this way so do you want to kind of give him the directions yourself what you’re involved in a little bit about your your background and and then we can get into some pointed questions sure my my name is Rita Desai I know my background is in social justice organizing my my academic back on his in economics and politics and I was organizing mainly in the area of workers rights and and anti-corporate campaigns and it’s something I mean social transformation social justice is something that I am very very passionate about I mean I can talk a little bit about this later but my most fertile rewarding work was in India where I was coordinating a campaign that was resisting the rise of corporate retail chain you know because of the destruction of could have on agriculture sector in India and also because of their wave of Twitter material culture that is that it is bringing currently and that it would it would just reinforce and you know it was through 2006/2007 an end and working on the campaign and I’m meeting with a large amount of success in this campaign that I realized will external at the end of a year-and-a-half I was completely burnt out and and stressed out and just not really a nice person which is when I came to realize that something needs to change because if I’m really hoping to build no transformation in the world that have to be sustainable so it’s through through through my head of organizing pass into what I called in a lot of ways external organizing that I came to realize I can’t do this without putting myself in my own self development my own well-being into this work until I so and so I am now doing what I call Inner transformation linking inner transformation to social transformation work where I am I’m bridging spirituality with social justice and within this process really going down going through my own spiritual path which you know which you brought up sort of the rise of the Goddess now this is something that’s something that I’ve been studying something that I’ve been teaching in terms of reconnecting to you know my feminine power and and and helping to teach women to connect to their feminine power as one of the greatest sources of Our Own Strength confidence Health Vitality connection to the Earth and also a power of 4 for social transformation what I’m doing now is is is is consciousness-raising and in personal personal transformation for this larger social transformation now that was great that was perfect thank you for sharing all that and down actually one or two before moving on I think you mentioned before that you hadn’t been able to work with friend on Toshiba is that correct oh yeah when in India we it was a campaign ad campaign is called India FDI watts and so we worked we assembled a pretty broad constituency of groups individuals that were either directly or indirectly affected by the country of a multinational corporation still Vandana Shiva was definitely a big partner in in the campaign and Lord of the work that she has been to bang around you know around fighting corporations and agriculture sector of the WTO and various other trade agreement that and also genetically modified seeds as an Arbiter had a lot of respect for her work and I’m also the fact that she so commonly on they’ll promote the concept of egocentrism which is something you don’t think that we hear the women’s lives after the sixties and if it kind of subsided in the main thing before before I became to sleep with a clear we’re even had the sensitivity to be looking for it I think that’s a huge issue and you know kind of set up Helsing Academia and hasn’t had a lot of water but I think one of the people who really put that to the end of Praxis and release you know Alexa Hands-On practical application and wanted to give you a few questions here and we Define spirituality for people who literally have just lived their whole life and I left brain and everything comes wrapped in a package and goes into a garbage can or recycling bin and very thin rational linear reality that you know the Matrix and that doesn’t separate or seperate holy place to experience you have a quick definition of spirituality that you can use to get people dancing well I guess for me spirituality is in the broadest and maybe in the most basic sense is is turning inwards is you know is turning inwards and recognizing that we have an inner life you know that that isn’t necessarily all based in the brain and an in a lot of ways to connect connecting to the heart and understanding you know the truth and of the heart and listening and understanding what it means to actually live through the heart you know I I’ve been thinking about this a lot in terms of how to talk about spirituality with people involved in social justice movements and involved in the last because it because it’s interesting that that in a lot of circles and definitely in a lot of circles that I was a part of you know it’s part of the labor movement and producer organizing there is this this this notion that you know that going inwards that’s that personal transformation that spirituality is something that is only for the elite to do when you know when in reality it the entire all of the structures that we’re sort of critical of you know capitalism is based on materialism the entire structure is based on finding fulfillment from material objects and and everything that is external to us we do we don’t need that I mean this is something that that we’re actually turning away from in Western culture right now this this constant consumption is constant need to find happiness in something external ourselves and so for me I mean spirituality is really just to to turn to turn inwards in to find you no understand what happiness is from within 2 2 too costly open to Greater levels of love and you know and truth from within ourselves and really sort of transcending the ego and and and and examining you know what examining you are how we have been taught and programmed in a lot of ways by Society by the media buy our parents you know and so for me it’s too sweet to go inwards and to really find Freedom by coming to higher levels of consciousness that come from inner truth as opposed to the outer truth and so I mean that’s and in the end you know what it really practical terms that means it means personal growth and I’m committing to one’s personal growth so you know there’s they ancient Priestess traditions in India and the goddess traditions in India what they would say that you know these bees were women who devoted their lives to to God or to a higher power and really that that means what it means to devote yourself to God or to vote to devote yourself to you know a higher power and means nothing more than to devote yourself to your own personal growth and to always you know understand that that that this life is it’s for for for growth is it for development you know we’re not perfect none of us are perfect and so-and-so spirituality for me as understanding this end and constantly you know developing ourselves I’m going into work to do this Slavic radio going inward Guided by the heart and grows in Kirkland almond overall pretty comprehensible 14 I like working definition Cosmic Dimension but it’s not a sort of like point A to point B with here in a spaceship and go to the other side of the Galaxy it’s like lit murder Consciousness into higher dimensionality so that space and time the way we can see them in four dimensions you know it’s transcended in and there is no attic of the cosmos end of reality that include and get transcend space and time and figure out a way to making music people to understand I think from what you’re saying experience and going inward your body into like a vehicle to travel through Dimensions early and have greater access to knowledge and greater access to healing energy and insights and all kinds of things that coming through from different song more than more than what we you don’t scientifically except to be the physical limitations of putting two ancient teachings of Tantra are our bodies are microcosms of the universe you know within a sweet contain the the greater universe and so we have tremendous. Tremendous capabilities within us if we if we are if we actively to tap into this and work with the energy that we have are the energy of the universe that we have within us but for most of us if we don’t do that you know and I mean it really is I mean you’re able to reach higher higher levels of consciousness and and you know interconnectedness in and and different dimension at the same time I mean from it from the perspective of you know actually creating real change I think spirituality is that what should also be looked at it something very practical you know in terms of spiritual tips to do physical exercise to take care of yourself to take care of your body to live healthy you know to to be a happy in relationships tune to know how to rid had to know how to have healthy healthy and happy relationships a lot of the teachings that that I am learning that I transmit are based on ancient sword of principles and ancient wisdom how to how to how to live and how to live happy you know and then of course you know as you know to sort of one piece with one piece of the Baseline things are are taken care of cuz we need a strong Foundation to be able to reach them of the higher-level dimensions because if you don’t have a strong Foundation if you’re not able to actually live in the world you know I’m function in the world then there’s also not it is supposed to be coming store that’s it it’s very hard to put practice into action it’s hard to bridge the spiritual with the social you know if it’s all up in the sky yeah I think it’s like at all I mean some of that Carly Ln truth but like what I Look At You No Going Back even before civilizations emerged to be able to create text and writing systems and to be able to go to fight and reproduce culture in anything but a oral traditional way I mean cuz I said for the 99% of human history we all lived in tribal shamanic cultures where medicine men and women wood would they would keep a lineage of teaching and wisdom of thicker plants and sacred rituals and chanting and techniques to enter into ecstatic altered state and be able to see the future or be able to harness some sort of healing energy would be able to direct healing energy and agricultural portal into these other dimensional so what other types of things another current running through it and running through ecology in the earth’s ecosystems yeah it’s really nice you’d like for modern society to not have you know either the demonic and under more different ways in in City culture I’m interested in like ways that people can see there’s not and really like to disconnected from the daily you know Community either they’re sort of religious or spiritual person on your like separate from the community in it true in some cases with the people that like you know really what the reason it does not receive any of this is so that they can maintain I was thinking of the teachings in the traditions and that sort of Doorway to the portals but they’re their function is to be Distributing that that information and energy and wisdom throughout the whole culture that everybody has some you know practical means to have access to these things that are beyond our normal sense isn’t our normal day-to-day life and fill I said you as an instructor and cuz I know I experienced the workshop and I was blown away because a lot of stuff that I hadn’t courtesy erratically believe in or around her stood or heard about functional experiential physical reality for my body and my spirit in the moment this time I really love to for you to just kind of briefly outline some things are not necessarily because things out the top of your head where you could just say like at 5 tonight or whatever but you know way antenna count liquid calendar do this gesture whatever anything like that. well I think it’s very important for it has been a very important for me to have to have sort of like a daily practice that I do every morning and then I should have that I’m just a planned and doing for me you know and and and for women and for men definitely for women and dance is is one of the best way to start to open your feminine energy you know it’s it’s it it’s a great way to sort of to get the energy up I mean at the end of the day everything that that I’m doing you know is about increasing our energy is about getting like raising our energy so that we have more energy to email to do what we want to do to most of the people are listening to this are engaged and you know social transformation or activism so even physical exercise if people are in exercising physical exercise anything that is really going to hurt to get your energy up your your body even in shape this is this is important sort of a more mental maybe psychological level two to start to examine just to start to to try and stay in a state of observations you know I exist as I think it’s and might be easier said than done is it comes with practice you know but two try to someone says if you’re watching your thoughts you’re watching your emotions you’re watching what’s going on in your life to try and stay in the state where your observe bank and it allows for this sort of space or the scats of Detachment that allow that that’s allowed for Freedom you know in in store in the way that that you actually that you react in a certain situation so and you know along with this to to examine the deeper sort of roots the root the roots to various situations I think a lot of times you know we can get caught up in the story if you know this person did this or that did that happen and I felt like this and I bet you know whatever it mean to not to sort of break out of this pattern of the stories we have to really get to the routes of what the issues are in a lot of us are carrying around you know deeper a karmic issues block that would carry from childhood that are the roots of a lot of the experiences that we have in our daily lives today especially if we haven’t gone back and heal this or examined this you know this is being tired process of self-transformation it’s healing and when we talked about so do you know this new era of Consciousness that is coming with new paradigm that with that we’re entering into it’s very important that we ourselves are healing the past you know that there was that were there were breaking from the past that were within us you know asking. So that’s possible to sort of embody light and love and an end and some so we can bring in this sort of in-body the new Consciousness bring in the new Consciousness and so I mean just being active about your own healing process your own to the growth process in out so I’m very you know this is this is sort of people feel differently about these things I have a spiritual teacher you know I study with Master’s and Anaya this is for me my past and I think you know it’s it’s it’s a huge huge resource to to go out and seek teachers and see communities of people who are also on you know a spiritual journey it’s it’s because it’s it’s very you know it’s a very it’s a new way of living in a lot of ways we’re not we don’t live in a spiritual society and culture right now so so to sort of open up to a lot of maybe they were the resources that exist in your own community and I’ll and find something that resonates with you one thing I would say is that a lot of times when we talk about spirituality we think that spirituality is meditation and it’s it’s not just meditation and in fact meditation is sometimes the last stage of a very deep spiritual path because it takes a level of deep concentration to to read some of sight some of these higher States and meditation for me I mean a lot of What I Do Is Dance Dynamic meditation these practices about her I said that I said it showed which I can’t really demonstrating over the phone but you know why would you knows I would I would just emphasize I mean art is healing spiritual so so yeah I mean I would I would I would I would I would you know today is is for everybody to come out the most important thing is if you are open and you want transformation and you want changed to open to it and to trust the process and to trust that you you know we’ll find what resonates most with you but you no interest in terms of started the basics I mean it’s it it it it dies at the beginning it it boils down to living a healthy life you know taking care of yourself taking care of your body taking care of your emotional states you know so can you give a brief rundown of I need the first time I think I got really in touch with it on a experiential level not like a very open-minded I’m very one of them out there people that I actually know but for some reason I had like for a long time since elected to do the work to try to connect with the experience of that other truck assist on and it was a having a thing double jointed or not it was like what it means to me or how I can tap into it and you know it was in your Workshop believe in it but the other for the whole point of the movie of you know there’s a lot of religions that are based on beliefs but there’s a lot more don’t it’s not like oh you’re you’re lucky to have a once in a million years once once in a million lifetimes like Vision or something that’s what I like more about the sort of holistic open field of spiritual practice and development is it that are okay and that aren’t like it’s okay for a new spiritual experiences for people to write their own and then also youth borrow from traditions and try to instead of traditions in Italy like in your case if you’re able to you know find Masters that you resonate with so that you can start on a path cuz I mean you know you don’t want to be a jack of all trades and master of none and I think that’s like in California like everybody’s like fraction of a thousand different you know that’s a really modern Western sort of the highest states are the ones that put themselves to the most action you know you can find out if you it makes sense and then you show me some pretty quick way to get in touch with that I’m thinking like that Morristown luminous color settle energy field yeah it’s based on the the chakra system in the chakra system is one of the most ancient sources of knowledge of how you know the energy that exists in the universe and how we are connected to it to the energy that exists in the universe we have seven basic chakras and each of these suckers for the vibrate at a different at a different frequency and they’re all connected to to a certain energy in the universe is the root chakra muladhara chakra it’s it’s it’s between the believe the anus and the forgetting that it is basically there are genitals and this is the the chocolate that’s connected to the Earth to stability it’s the color is red it’s considered ones out it’s all so this is where a lot of our health issues facing this chakras right below the belly button this is called Succasunna chakra it’s orange the element is water it’s more of a male chocolate such a girls sexuality of passion at the at the at the belly button this is our solar plexus this is fed to pigs called money put a chocolate that check up fire it some or other personal power these passages about her at The Witcher based you know in martial arts they’re all for the focus on this chakra building confidence power this is our ability to live in the world are ability to make money the people who are ruling the world have very strong money put a chakra the above that is at the Heart Center is on a hot the chakra this is such a higher emotions of love it’s also consider more female chakra at the throat is sore should the chocolate is a chocolate creativity of our inspiration and it’s it’s more of a female chocolate let me have a vaginal check where this is at the third eye this is intuition it’s also Focus concentration the check up higher purposes and then above this we have the crown chakra which is our connection to Universal energy sew in they took the different levels of the chocolate cancer the position is is closed where they’re blocked they’re not functioning and then they’re open which means they are functioning and under emanating which means you can actually give me through through your chakras cuz they’re operating at such a high level by and large amounts of us in society today live at the like the first two chakras you know a lot of the spiritual work that’s out their focus has an opening that’s at the higher chakras but but but lacks in front of the ground it like that the lower chakras and it’s very important to to have to be operating at the lower chakras in order to be living and in the world and functioning in the world so a lot of the work that I do and you know that and also the teachings of the school Universe energy Arts it’s based on first making sure that our lower three chakras are clean their functioning and you know that we have a solid Base by which to work from for higher-level Spiritual Development and it’s always let me know we’re always liked working with all of them too so do you know to 2 to be balancing but it is right now and especially for especially for activist that especially for Spiritual people activating funny porchuck Road that’s what I’m working on a lot and I think that’s the checkered to live in the world to have power to have to make money in a lot of us think that money is bad when money is just really energy and it you know an end with it I mean an ancient civilizations with you to do math and that’s a good for people that shift in this society and culture has become so corrupt you know so to be able to sort of transform the world to really transform the culture of of money and and within a lot of us is it sits in his opening up to our own personal power own ability to attract you know situation then and then careers or you no work that that we can live on so this is everything all the practice as a visualization meditation they’re all based on on opening to these chakras having a rigorous schedule of initiations and exercises and things to do, push pushing to the limit so that you can find yourself but I might the path that I’m on is not the spiritual path of you know taking it slow it is definitely when you need to but it’s also very much about raising energy concept of increasing our energy that I were able to do more in the world that were able to be more highly effective but at the same time we’re in alignment with the highest good with ourselves in a with universal energy and the idea is to to build community you notice to build spiritual communities and it’s the school’s very well-established in Russia they have you know they have thriving communities of all throughout Russian and South America and Europe but to start to build you know this this Consciousness in a sustainable way in El Sol so in a way that it is it is in a holiday and really seeing results in your daily life and it’s you know it’s it’s work to Spiritual Development personal personal growth it’s work you know and it does take willpower and and should have disciplined action to do it that doesn’t mean like I don’t want to give the conception that you don’t have personal power and it because it’s all driven by yourself by your own sort of willpower you know that you you you get what you want what you are what you want to put into it and it’s always a self-driven process and it’s not based on Doctrine or Siri it’s always sort of operating in the Universal thanks you know so it’s always changing and Dynamics with sometimes drives me crazy when we have when we organize something like two days before you know two weeks before something but it’s it’s it’s a beautiful process yeah it does look like the Exxon Valdez oil spill and just like thinking of that the spiritual oil spill in the last several thousand years of patriarchy and it ain’t no expansion of Empires and weapons technology horrible things that had spilled site toxic horrible toxic violin the karmic ocean of our Collective human existence on this planet and night you know it’s easy I think for people to seems easy for people to just continue to live their life in the latter in the rat race and Yelp bear the saloon and just kind of keep moving along and it never that never really knowing what what it was like before you know what we’re an island called a dominator culture before that emerged you know if he has no perception of it out of sight out of mind and it just becomes and there’s a whole story of how we really being not to be a part of a harmonious and peaceful. Is it called you know reconciling this destructive negativity Southwest 2000 years ago extreme destruction and Corruption it just seems like I believe in the idea of progress linear progress so that while we started out as primitive Savages and we’re only you know we’ve gone through some dark times but we’re only getting better but become more alienated for myself and for my community through more devices and more interfaces that are totally artificial and antithetical I mean I think I definitely do know the internet spiritual communities to find each other in Tukwila link for the inlet in a competition the Ecology of competing ideas like we have we now if if if we can sell something better to people so then the system sell a product to their material appetite then we can really think do this massive cleanup jobs of Karma and do this massive play crafted like you said like a lot of the reason that we need to be Warriors in the you know I’m going to put the ice I’ve heard that word in the end I’m I’m putting I’m saying it in a conversation out idea of becoming more using spiritual power and power a lawyer for the past to be able to do this work of cleaning ourselves and cleaning the planet and cleaning our values that really like you know materialistic values it’s really important that we we do like Master the stuff and and and really apply the time to ability spiritual communities in spiritual culture so that we can opportunity to what do you think about starting to wake up. I think it’s the cool thing about to come out of the coma of consumerism of the responsibility to participate in not just stopping things that actually healing things and doing that like literally on all levels to know what do I think about that process yeah I mean just the idea we haven’t talked to you much about like that Karma and the ice that idea of it but you know the spiritual this Collective karmic not or like why should people get spiritual just so they can you know cuz a lot of people are selling that angle you know but have a better more fulfilling personal life vs. the people start the grass that scented like yeah I am I need to take responsibility for like the last several shutting down either so you know if it’s such a cutie ask and but the more Synergy we create together on these in a spiritual community I have a rapid impact female quickly I mean I I think we’re approaching a time where we are changing as a resolving as you know a race or as a species where it will require healing our past or passed our individual paths and also of you know of of the of the world today I mean that’s the thing is once you want want it does go down the path has appealing and and transforming and does go down the path of having healthy relationships and more success and you know an dentist in her happiness it’s a natural process that you want to give that that you want to do you want to have other people live in this and it’s it’s kind of death it’s almost like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and self-actualization you want to start getting back it’s just a natural process the reason that we don’t have that right now you know the reason you can see this clearly in like it with all of the stuff that came out about George Bush’s daddy complex when was carrying so much baggage so much you know pain within ourselves then this manifests in what we protect in a world so and this is also why a lot of people don’t want to open up to it you know don’t want to go down the path so so really too I mean it’s completely it’s very connected to enter into this new era to enter into a new era of Peace of love will require that we are healing our past to embody in for the greatest level of peace and love within ourselves so that we are creating we want to see an end when we were us when we’re talking about stealing I mean this does going to take it we we heal our family, we go back in two generations and he’ll you know and break out of the cycle that is that has been carried over from our parents from our grandparents and really start to break even come into a new way of existence you know this is the sort of deep healing that happens by Ice it’s kind of like I asked you feel it do you feel the changes that are happening to feel the shift in Consciousness with new energies coming cuz a lot of people feel it a lot of women feel the rise of the visit of the divine feminine it’s it’s something just that should resonating with people because it’s how the Earth and the energy of the earth is Shifting because who knows male energy has become is it and it’s not specific to manage mail energy within men and women has has reached its point that they can’t go any further and so naturally to rebalance we have you know the feminine energy that is coming back and we feel the Swiss ourselves cuz we’re connected to the universe you know and then we’re a part of bringing this back to the universe so so it’s so sudden I disable just become harder and harder and you’ll see it when people don’t commit to their own personal healing and fur it’s going to become harder and harder to exist in this world because because the world is changing because the energy of the earth is changing the energy of the universe is changing it’s getting it’s it’s it’s it’s getting it’s increasing basically which is why I threw you know the spiritual practice we’re increasing our energy to be able to be in alignment with this and is and is part of that it requires it requires you know examining and healing our karmic blocks and and everything that we carry from childhood and NBN before so sore families the beginning think you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show indigenous sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. 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