Hello Dear Beloveds!
In this episode I’m joined by Penny Slinger, co-author and illustrator of the classic tantra book Sexual Secrets: The Alchemy of Ecstasy. We discuss her artistic career in it’s many multimedia forms. She offers wise words of guidance for this time of sexual, spiritual, and ecological crisis.
Penny Slinger, born in London in 1947, graduated with a first class honors degree from Chelsea College of Art in 1969.
She had acclaimed solo exhibitions of her two and three dimensional Feminist Surrealist collage art and writings in London during the 1970s.
She then co authored and illustrated ‘Sexual Secrets, The Alchemy of Ecstasy(1979), introducing Tantra to the modern western world and ‘The Secret Dakini Oracle’ divination system.
Penny moved to the Caribbean where she resided for 15 years, creating art series dedicated to the indigenous Arawak Indians of the region.
In 1994 she came to California to the estate of Dr Christopher Hills. She released the ’64 Dakini Oracle’ in 2010.
Her work has been exhibited widely, including: ‘Young and Fantastic’ (Institute of Contemporary Art), ‘Angels of Anarchy’ (Manchester) and ‘The Dark Monarch’ (Tate, St Ives) in 2009, In ‘History is Now’ (Hayward Gallery) 2015 and ‘Feminist Avant-Garde of the 1970s’ (Photographers’ Gallery) 2016.
She is represented by Riflemaker Gallery (London), Broadway 1602 (New York) and Blum and Poe (LA and Tokyo).
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Com and our journey together will begin hello their beloveds welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 88 this is a very auspicious day I’m releasing this episode on Valentine’s Day 2017 and I have the distinguished honor and privilege of speaking with Penny Slinger who is the co-author and illustrator for the classic sexual Secrets the Alchemy of ecstasy and I believe this book is one of the most important in my collection and I recommend it to any and everyone and I really believe that it’s magical and it holds a sacred power and it’s it’s absolutely Exquisite adventure to explore the dead which we wanted to at that time introduced a whole Western World to the idea that sex could be sacred and that he was a spiritual path which didn’t bring blame and shame to all of these areas but actually so it completely integrated with one spiritual journey in life and how you could bring everything every single part of your whole experience of being into alignment with your Divine Purpose so I came to Tantra through the path of art you know I’m an artist that’s being my manifestation and it’s my time I need it from when I was so little that time I didn’t do much else other than that it’s my particular gift and I wanted to use that in ways that would be my path in life that I could get something for myself that meant I could always be fully engaged cuz otherwise I didn’t like to be bored and a lot of times it’s being on your own and in this way I could always be actively working on my connection income activity with everything through the if a station of on the practice of Art and the kind of meditation that is so drained collagen went to Chelsea in London for free at IHOP. Having done two years before that in another college and at that time I felt very grown and convinced that I wanted to make a powerful for myself as a woman not only as a woman but at the woman artist and because I saw that the world of art as much as a lot of other Realms and social comes was very much male-oriented and dominated and governed by a male artist however a favorite subject to the Man artist is the female and often the female nude and that music that Shakti although I didn’t know the names talk to you at that time but that shop runs through a call of okra creative experience and expression sew and Us coming out as an artist into the world off to being a student I chose the tools of surrealism that’s an art movement but I used it to try and express the female psyche and for that process of self-reflection and also bringing that out into the world you know I’ve a common tree on how women in general is seen and at that time feminine wisdom was coming up as a movement but it I wasn’t really a game connect to two eyes at the sensual and sexual and intuitive and all these how is a woman it wasn’t raining looking at fat as much as trying to get women the same kind of power this man so I wasn’t really attracted to that but I was very attracted to trying to embody myself fully in the world as a fully conscious thinking feeling sexual sensual being who was female but who was a powerful as any other artist being but in her in her own right not emulating not trying to be like that but trying to express herself so I felt that my situation was very reflective of the feminine in general in that that was a kind of repressed society and there wasn’t even an aspect to thinking that women really enjoyed sex it was more like the sides of their husband boyfriend anyway I was using my aunt to delve into this whole phenomenon and when I came out about school I was looking for my direction because as I say it’s the realtor was important to me but it was really an active movement of the movement and I wanted something that was much more Dynamic and connected well I went in the early seventies to the first exhibition of Tantra. That was put on the table in London and when I walked in there it was dressed like I I Stood Still and I’m home you know I recognize all this I know this what can I do to find out about what this really is and so I went about trying to find anyone who really knew about Time trailer on the inside not just them book store off of a kind of knowledge that was not experiential I wanted someone who was in and cool that into my life and it took a couple of years but then I got introduced to this man Nick Douglas and interesting Enough by the woman who ran the old Woman’s little group that I was part of in my seeking to be part of this emerging feminine expression and she said that Nick Douglas lucioni quote liberated man she’d met and so this is all pretty and so when I got together with Nick so many things been into place because they could just come back from India he been on a silent retreat with is a yoga teacher in Sanskrit to the bathroom and peed with no book on the side of Tantra and he just had all these home since two of these questions which was I would Express to him something that I haven’t really been able to talk to anyone else about and he would go yes didn’t answer that now. About and it was my wild and crazy experiences with something with a contact that lost Journey towards finding that and when are we being together for a while we went to New York and when we went to New York we saw a lot of the friends that we had and their relationships were they had a had that first opening of sexual Liberation there was a book called The Joy of Sex by Alex Comfort but I don’t know if you ever heard of that a lot of people’s initiation gets exploited for couples Not Just For Men you know it was something for couples and so everyone was feeling this New Freedom the parents come in so women have they had there was this whole new Liberation and that there was no direction to it and so the relationship was so I would just falling to pieces because people were experimenting left right and center but with nothing nothing to come back to know kind of foundation or I did about how energy actually works and so we were talking to a friend in a restaurant in New York sang what we were observing and say what a panty but they don’t know you know about time Tren the teachings here at Scott so much real solid information about how energy works and what these things mean in this whole spiritual reference point which could be The Guiding Light in these times and when we finish talking a man came over from the next table instead I hope you don’t mind me coming over but I couldn’t help hearing it what you were saying and a Bookshop in New York and I have a partner who is starting a publishing company and I’d love to have him talk to you about doing the book about the pitch that ever was I’ve started we thought it would be a quick you know you paper book paperback book a few months over to America to live we were living in England at the time and it was a labor of love and have you seen it didn’t really want to do it because he said these are the secret is the power and I said you know Nick tell you the gift that it’s being mean to me to understand that that is the spiritual part which I can truly on with all my being that the way one can make all of one that she was part of a spiritual practice is inclusive of everything this is such a blessing and to know that this lineage of people who’ve what with these energies and found out how energy works in the bunny hop in and tune into all that this to me is being a Saving Grace and I want to share it and I think if we do if we just surrounded or would love that will be its own Protection work yes yeah yeah there’s really a powerful intention like I said I feel like the book is alive and imbued with spirit and yeah I think it’ll melt the heart of the most Sinister sociopaths and apart from doing all the drawings I did write it I mean what what I wanted to do myself I saw myself as the bridge between the esoteric World which network representative of all this knowledge and transmission and direct experience some studying and he was asking about the odds of getting into the heart of that but I felt that things that he done before and after they were really fascinating but they were locked in a row that I can dance and little bit difficult to make old is accessible to everybody that I felt this is such a gift for for everybody is so I would go off and I would write this completely stream of Consciousness and intuitively what I thought for a section and I I had decided that we needed to have short sections so that people could access it easily and just be able to go and read one section not have to go and read the book cover but even just waiting one section you’ll get a whole teaching from that that’s holding itself without connected to everything else and also having so much I felt that to made it belong with your direct and easy for people to understand and connect with and in translating the drawings a lot of it from we got a whole collection of Indian Miniatures and things which we acquired to walk from for the book between each way I translate it a little bit and sometimes they were more directly the representation that we had in the original image as much as I could but in some other cases I change the little bit to make it a little bit more recognizable for a western audience in the Japanese shunga for instance you know that device unsteady enlarged and I still kept them I reduce them down a little bit to make them look a little things like that but it was it was just a wonderful process of learning and assimilating doing the drawings were all of that it was and I was supposed to ask you a few questions about the depressor septi has he given the above the overview yeah thanks well I’m curious how people responded and what the sort of marketing strategy was at a time it if you had if you stirred up an uproar if it was yeah how was that guy was he at that time you were you were going to be you know really making a statement to say the least so well you know it was pretty rough I received over here straight away and I’m in the book has sold over a million copies worldwide it is and going into over 12 languages and it was I think it was the right time and think how many books have come in the wake of this one For Better or For What I think of England English people in general and not very into the pressure points on the meridians in the big toe and they everyone then copy it in their reviews text my big toe you know I’m making all the different men’s magazines to sang this was really something that everyone should have really okay so I’m so glad that you said that right now because what’s what’s happening in my reality to kind of give you a bit of a briefing on that is it I’m I’m positioning myself deeper and deeper no pun intended within the mainstream porn industry to take these teachings and bring them to life in this new territory that we have of high-speed internet poor and it’s accessible to everyone worldwide and they’re just getting basically really to put it put it bluntly they’re being there being a I think I feel like they’re being psychologically spiritually raped by entities that are possessing the people in the porn industry to produce content that’s actually serving a negative ejaculatory cool creative impulse to create hell on Earth and that is puts me in an interesting genre of porn which I called tantric where shamanic and you know it’s not it’s not surprising that there’s some resistance and backlash to the the maneuvering I’ve had to do to get position but there’s also a lot of people embracing and saying this is this is the extreme anti-christian ecstasy that we were trying to achieve by choking each other half to death and so you know I could go on but I’ll say that this is so obstinate to know that you were getting reviews in the adult magazines and so what was their response engagement do they want to have did you know what to do now all the sudden do like a a tantric spread you know what time she ate Bunny and what are they call it the centerfold I mean wizard partnership could have happened if we didn’t disappear after the book came out Nick and I move to the Caribbean so we’re off on the desert island for 15 years and so we didn’t do it and I was just at that point following Nick wanted to do because I was in surrender not to him but to The Pantry cart and he was my my teacher and in so much of this that that was I just went with whatever that flow was meant to be and so that’s what happened but I have over yes felt a deep of colon to introduce because I didn’t see it real erotica into the field that was when I as I say when I was young and we both have this there was so little to The Fugitive at streets off to the side and men and you know raincoats on something but it wasn’t over proliferation. Kind of numbing that happens which was what results and what you were talking about just now things having to get harder and tougher with us because there’s so much without the actual energy Exchange spiritual and emotional connection that goes with this whole thing which is what that holds energy about integrating all those flavors that sentiment so will those emotions in the being I’m not just this thing which is bringing you into this base knee-jerk reaction level which is in the end ultimately so empty and unsatisfying because the depth and breadth I mean so and even not even the human relationship a lot now with all this activity that’s going on so it is needed so much to be able to bring this and I actually did a few years back I did a video as a demo bringing the secret to life and someone was going to pretend that the Playboy but then they didn’t want to do that kind of thing anymore at that time and I just put it to the side you know if I I try to be very focused with things and if I bring something for it and then that the doors are opening because I have always a lot of projects that need my attention if something isn’t going with us some kind of slow then I’ll just go on to the next thing. I didn’t really pursue it but that has been something that I felt so important that we need to bring into the mainstream house to be the transformation and healing of this energy which is now all out there but only the Outta the real stuff that people are actually dying for inside well I have all choked up right now because what is what I think of hear you say is it you were you have taken steps and have been partially met you know it in it potential a desire to perhaps use the knowledge that you have to direct adult media content is my hearing you correctly what is trying to do that for a while will the reason that the reason that I have like tears streaming down my face because I really want there to be a an elder ship for sexual education through adult content and that’s what’s missing is is a real ethical spiritually responsible empowered trustworthy sacred wisdom tradition that can be shared now I mean the time like you said about the the timing of the release of the book back then there there was a very little published both entertainment and educational erotic media of all types it was so black market and so underground for you know they took to the point where they were taking erotic statues and hiding them in the biggest and most important museums of the world just these secret hiding hiding collections of erotic art that nobody could dare lay their eyes on and no it’s it’s the lowest common denominator and this absolute torrent of junkfood sort of sexual erotic media and at the Township community is way behind and I’m not putting that on you because you were a Pioneer with this but the people who are my colleagues now I feel like there is not only a financial opportunity but there’s also a spiritual and dharmic opportunity to step up you know the way that you guys did you know back in the day so I just want to bow down deeply in just feel this moment where I feel like what you know the work that you did could really be embraced by let’s say the top pornstars is in the world we know they just have to have a one experience of being shocked if I’d you know doesn’t have to be the most extreme Kundalini activation that’s ever happened but just that feeling of there being something loving comforting nurturing that’s beyond you and your mind and your partner and that dissolution into the Divine that’s what we’re talking about that people have just not had the that the training to experience so built bed go to Temple Hill where I am and made the video and audio Studio the idea behind not in the idea that we shared and came together around was that you can through the use of the media confer the equivalent to shop Peapod and that is the interest in really being able to use the media to Consciousness the new Consciousness Consciousness in Bude with experience it’s what you feel you have to feed it through your being on that sending a level and I’m certain EU I’m sure you’re a practitioner of understand that you know what is being really tried to be accessed through the practices it’s the practice Brad Pitt so we need to do is act and transmit that. Energy wave that blessed wave which is the sublime Phoenix that is that the blitz of the gods and goddesses that they are all in this Union space of a blessed and the nectar of that you needed to shower and down and when you can create that wave and I believe that way if she is a transferable energy field which if it’s really establish that can be communicated and transmitted to other people through the media for the sound of delight on vibration of it all on the frequency of it but that then it’s this amazing gift because that is touching the stars and not to me is essence of time it’s been able to tune into that multidimensional nature of staff and to then June or that you are all that they do not feel to those principles of you know Divine connection and connection Inc you know see the other as yourself treat others as you would wish to be treated as yourself understand that says they think I’m depending the car comes back to you yes I understand that but sometime or other that’s going to happen and all you’re going to want to do is put out the best of all that you can be and how do you be your best you be your best by shooting your energy vehicle that you are understanding that all this solid stuff isn’t just a little energy fields and that you are the master or mistress Otis Divine machine that you can gift it and that it’s your duty as an awakened being to use everything that’s one of the things in time to use everything rather than refuse or deny everything is in order to be able to develop spiritual but 10% used all of it but cannot do the Alchemy do the Alchemy of all that with pure gold by and my sense of it just touching everything but the hot with the vibrate and that’s goddess and the time you know either as a device if you like can be used for for power or it can be used for love and another goddess is all love because that is the only eligible because yeah that was the most Exquisite beautiful Treatise on Tantra that I feel like I’ve ever heard and well it’s a it’s spellbinding and I feel that I just blessed blessed to hear these these words be spoken and by you and and I’m curious if you would like to guide us through what your creative Works have been I know you’ve you’ve you’ve got too many directions since the book was released but I’m curious what do you recommend people start to discover beyond the book that that you feel most proud of and and thank you yes well you know I do see the whole thing at the adjoining and I I I came in as a bikini but I didn’t really know myself and I spent the first part of my life and I think it’s natural for beings to do that to spend the first part of their life but then who am I trying to know oneself and then that way you differentiate your paws from what has been necessarily conventionally and you you you choose this especially if you’re a person just naturally go to the beat of everybody else and you know I know. Keeney is now have been their name is being taken before I kind of embodiment within but you know what they represent in essence is in at the embodiment of a feminine wisdom principal they are archetypes of wisdom wisdom which comes at you naked because it is naked it butt naked truth it’s naked just radiating blessed through every pore and it’s disruptive because it passed away all the things that you because I think you relied on and all those artifice is an old as he go dramas she just Trampled Under Foot and lost and she’s drunk on the blesiv share spontaneous being yeah in the other part of my life before I discovered Tantra and the reflection that I came in just trying to see who am I and in that I said who am I and how do I fit into the culture that I find myself in and it’s my own self and what other projections of others and how am I seeing and how do I see myself and all these things I was bringing into my experience of and I found the technique of collage and that was when I was doing my thesis of surrealist artists map sons did a number of collage books using old engraving and in those books he put together the Engravings to create seamless new world but they were very Fantastical you know people had wings and snake came out between the Pavements and the real encounters happen but now look like they were meant to be like that all the time but he’s instructed them and you couldn’t see where they looked. Together they were a new world and I said I thought you could kind of see make it look like it’s not. But it’s actually fuse into a new reality and you can also really joke people’s perceptions by bringing together the things they wouldn’t normally associate together but by the juxtaposition you to create this what they call it in there so am I use those those tools of collage and use the loss of images of myself had my own photo taken and put myself in that so that I could be both see the Muse and the one I mean the object of somebody else’s view but with photographic and then I also made three dimensional objects and I use those cool things in a lot of pieces life cost of myself my own head button and then like us about the people that was similar to using photographic call out your photos Honda back in 73 I had an exhibition code opening which was all about food and the roster so I’m bringing together you know that the body of woman with the whole idea of the table together in that and it was very shocking to people dressed up I had a whole wedding cake constructed I’m prevented myself as with a van everything adds the wedding cakes at the invitation for the exhibition it was in a being fully engaged in in in the eye and after that I forgot I started it went through for 7 years which was a major I guess you’ll call now to send what was that word wasn’t used at the time but it was me looking at all the skeletons in the cupboard I had a relationship with this filmmaker and we were meant to be doing all these projects together and it never really asked you fully manifest and then we broke up and it was my whole drama with woman’s theater group and my what with them kind of ripping apart their relationship and then I just had to process all this cuz I would say I’m sorry can I ask you something really quick I don’t want to cry or be a gossipmonger anything but I feel that the the Dynamics between creative creative relationships romantic relationships and those the way those play out the Ender play especially if there is I don’t know what that was in your case but I’m I’m really curious to see what wisdom you would have to share about you about using tantric skill sets and tools to harmonize human personality conflicts that’s a big big question a lot to to explore but if you were able if you were confronting these sort of issues were you able to at least somehow raise the vibration you know even if there are deal breakers and things had to be you know closed off but I’m just curious if you were successful at all and applying principles or by Christopher Hills my you know the person who built this property here he did a book called creative conflict which was all about heart-to-heart communication and about people needing to be hard I’m so it’s at whole dynamic between having an exchange with someone else but that person letting you know after you’ve spoken from your heart but they have understood it reflecting it back in their own words to you and that you do that back and forth and it actually creates a whole different kind of feedback loop the misunderstandings that often have a good exercise based on you know Christopher understanding of those principles a yogi eyes pop from being a western scientist animal and he was all these things wrapped together but that was a very good example of principles into the relationship Dynamic but for myself you know that it’s been so many different relationships and even oceans and you know how many dimensions the last to it and each one I’ve had a few major relationships in my life apart from many other relationship but as a few major ones you know that had bad that even a beauty and then Gloria and the agony and you know all of that and I always say there’s no such thing as my student so I like to think we’re all students protection is setting in the area relationship dynamic especially going to the mat the male-female dynamic at this particular time on the planet is in such a challenge in at the rest so many areas that go across because she knows you think of just love and attraction and vibration if you like you know that conventional I’m just you know that Dynamic the spice of life and energy vibrations which you know I make everything so complex and setting it this time the whole sexual identity is something that so you know I’m in the midst for what it’s going to be the next evolutionary stage of how we’re going to be able to manage male-female dynamic in a new way and of course you know the true Keys the Contra do do hold those keys because it is a true and which ones have it if you are able to hold that Crucible and a gaining and it didn’t. Do you have the real chance to be able to see the Divine in each other and bring the Divine fully into that invaded relationship and that you know it’s just the the Beauty and the glory and the end of the immortal France and get moving into our discontent touched any magical ways but at the moment I’m playing a lot of challenging in our relationship not only to each other but to a whole The Crucible of plant it up and down with her that you know that the interpersonal has to also be expanded I believe attitude tantrica to include the whole interaction with all of our natural world at this point and really bringing that into every meditation and interaction really because we can’t afford to lie if that helps eco-warrior and was all about planting gardens and saving trees and I still am now but I feel like what I’ve added to that with Tantra is just a ever-deepening reverence for creation and for the Divine the astral the Earthly Plains all the things we often take for granted I just want to be in that state of reverence and awe that I think most people achieve that when they go into the Great Outdoors and then go hiking or skiing they they have a tantric sort of shocked if acacian of there at least their parts of their system get woken up an activated unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be enough to make them into real hardcore activists a lot of the times but I feel like the there is an ecological agenda that is very transparent and very intrinsic to the path that that romance with with the life-giving fertility of this divine feminine and if you know a lot of people experience very direct communion with the wisdom intelligence and directives of Gaia through this practice so do you want to talk a bit about that kind of revelatory ecological revolution of Tantra if you will be glory after the sexual Revolution and I would save the kind of a cool resonance that I’ve I’ve told condemned presentation to some of her because I really believe especially in the cold vibration that she said we’ve got to start treating the Earth like a lover not like a mother and it when you treat her like a mother it’s you expect the mother to get unconditionally do everything for you and you don’t have to give anything back but if you treat it like a lover than you you know show that you have to give love to that lava and it says to a slow and so that’s an important shift and I think that’s a good thing to bear in mind and I had one time when I was in my twenties and experience with some strange object did Johnny and in that time I had what I still feel program the most orgasmic experience that I had when I had it I was just lying back on this massage table I wasn’t touching myself but I was having these orgasm just passed through my whole body and what I was feeling at the time I felt like I was body of the Earth has style and the every single every single of an insect’s wing and the slithering of the body of a snake and the rustling of leaves everyone going through my whole being beautifully spoken and who could not want to experience that who doesn’t anybody out there not enjoy orgasm it’s a very small number and to the to think that it can become such a flow state of being that level of Sensitivity I kind of almost feel like what most people are striving for when it when they’re trying to get off you know whatever gender or sex they may be is there their they’re basically trying to use friction sex or some sort of high-intensity friction contact in order to kind of chisel or sandblast or break through all this plaque that separating their nervous system and their chakra system from the cosmic Bliss that is a constant wave of orgasmic energy so the more you dissolve that plaque through right action through dharmik practice and purification of all kinds that are very well enumerated in the tatras you know an in yogic texts and Vedic texts there’s a path way to clean your stylus and get more of that orgasmic slow going and it’s definitely so abundant and not so scarce like everything else that we’ve been tricked about as far as the scarcity mindset vs. the abundance mindset so that’s just a follow-up that’s from me and and now that we’re coming to a close on time do you want to talk about some of the anymore highlights from your creative works that people should be looking for then about what’s what’s the current and future of an exorcism it was called and said some the book that I put out and that was trying to look at all these psychological States and and who am I and is that I could dance we both kind of psycho and then I come out at the house and then I have discovered time trip by this point and then I meet Nick Douglas as I say and then we went on to do another College book called man the next to see which was just a celebration of coming out of the confines of this black and white house and all the Western Heritage Inn in the Himalayas and just everything is one century psycho-spiritual play of of everything the profaned the sacred oil mixed together and it was a it was just we were enjoying and I wish I knew how to do, what a wonderful tool it was expecting this and that was that serious and then at the same time we did the secret dakini Oracle which was the 64 card Oracle system in systems put that out and that’s being around working since then then I went to to the Caribbean I was there for 15 years at I-10 and time got a long story short I realized I was there because of the embedded energy of the Arawak Indians whooping for alcohol Caribbean free Columbus and the Magical and pure kind of society who had been swept under the carpet of history and speaking to me and so I firmly believe that the indigenous way of life is the way of creating sustainability for the planet if we can start to embrace him understand that engage instead of in a friend that to the side as the Civilization V how to be in tune with the spirit and all things so that was my home to that way of life but I did for my portraits and they are like Indians in my time that and then I came back to America in 94 after I was I was here before that New York I was working on my phone from about the Arawaks and I finish that and then it was then that I met Christopher Hills and came here and then for the time here I am held a lot of events dr. Christopher past but she did the 97 to bring in the goddess energy and I still would like you to describe them when we talk to them right to coming on on on the car that you were interested in the way of using the energy that is that in these events and we’re all these awful waves so all that happening and I still while we can offer them to the goddess and then she can give her grace to us and doing for several years he has many people from the whole graveyard from performance thoughts and in the area bringing them in and having people get their offerings to Spotify and then one. I made the 64 that key Miracle which isn’t Eeveelution of the nlra but this time each of the energy that he needs and I have 64 Oracle and I hope to do a nap cuz if it can meet chat father and that is like a temple for the goddess and an Oracle phone just working on more three-dimensional pieces the game and coming back into a focus of customizing they oughta game having reached out to all the Divine archetypes imma come back into a more personal expression and now that I’m done now I just want to see you on tour with the museum installation with all this I’m not the biggest art Aficionado in the world but of course I’ve I’ve been a fan of Alex Grey and H R Giger and what I after this conversation I feel like I got a lot of catching up to do on on what you put out that I wasn’t aware of and I’m really going to enjoy it so it is a sort of a sumtur got some guidance that you could provide to say hey go and you know you can go to your website and in and just order purchase what you have or their YouTube videos or any other ways to access your go to website since I mean Menards.com has a broad spectrum of the word that I’ve been talking about and then 64 the numbers that Kenny. Org is where you can go to consult the Oracle and but also that the gallery of the images of the Thai King is there and then the Blue Lotus pod. Com which is rstudio site which has some videos and Son photography so those are few things that you can look at to start with and I haven’t all page on Facebook too with how about Instagram of you if you got on that platform say it took me a while because I just have so many projects and engagements of all kinds I didn’t want to be distracted by something that was another no platform of that nature however I am totally convinced now that it is one of the most strategic leverage points for anybody with the message or Consciousness that can create visual content it’s amazing I just thought of something I wanted to say and it was about relationship and resolution from a perspective that we were talking about mentioning my exorcism though that thing about The Break-Up and processing of the relationship and that’s what spurred our conversation about relationship with my partner at the time and next month or beginning of next month I’m going over to the UK to go to a conference and speak that that’s about this film makeup Peter Whitehead and over the last few years we can get back together in the sensitive film that we did at the time which type of being shown all those years and I was able to show that the Hayward Gallery in London and oh so I’m speaking at the conference about him because it’s a whole retrospect if they take him to the archives at this University and son a solution of some quite powerful can you describe it at all or just footage that we shot at the same time I did all these photographs that became the basis of the footage of myself and my girlfriend and Peter Shaw hit in this old derelict mansion house could love and it’s all just showing it Roar has it came out to the time off to all these years after 1969 that was shot and I guess this unit many takes but it’s like in this time the space that it’s like a magical experience that’s amazing so is there any hope that we will get this that’ll get to see a bigger audience or what do you have his first plants with that now is scheduled to reach a larger audience is a documentary that just being made of me he was young filmmaker Cove it started walking on it in 2012 when I was over in the UK I’m getting a tour at the gallery about my work and he was excited and said, I shouldn’t interfere with you and that interview grew into the documentary what she’s dressed now completed and it’s all of my early walk treat antra I’m in London and a relationship with a woman that hole. And it’s called Penny Slinger Out of the Shadows quite a good release coming up shortly support and Discovery and in the promotion and I’m definitely want to continue to explore in and talk with you about how to support the mission that that was laid out and and I feel like someday I will somebody will be calling me and asking me what was the story behind what brought me to interview and people like you if this is my contribution to the world and there’s just an ongoing interest and it’s so interesting to see to get this background and to have to really just go on a sort of a Time a Time trip into these you know these different points in in your creative history and really if I could just ask you a couple more questions before we before we call it a night do you have a couple more minutes being this kind of bridge through these was one of the things to me that’s very important in the manifestation of my life’s Mission if you like is to be able to be active and relevant at this time in my life when I am old and that the wisdom of the wise woman knows he didn’t pack anything back into society and that’s what he need so much to be able to swear I act now I’m not wanting to be Destin historical figure but I am for the active right now I love that thank you so much yeah that’s I’m so thrilled again that we’re having this conversation and I feel like the the need is is greater than ever to access the wisdom of the elders going back yuno thousands of years and the question I actually want to ask you who really is like the what the let’s see the shocked it country code is the goddess worshiping country cuz whether they would be considered on the left hand path of the right hand path or generally I think more realistically it was a it was a sort of he was ambidextrous it was an ambidextrous way to be in in in the shock to Tantra schools where you were dabbling we’re not doubling but really actually working consciously with Desire with with Will with your will and also with the Divine elements but hopefully with Integrity to Lenny’s trainings you would be in service to add a v or in the process so that you would be sort of putting yourself to work for the Divine will and getting your commission of the small things that your small mind actually wants in this small slice of the universe or the universe and if I if I simplify what the essence of the positive empowered healing Reverend Liberatore nature of of the more feminist Tantra is about purification of those parasites of the heart that you mention you know earlier and if if that was the intention back then against the forces that Humanity was up against at that time that they warned us the forces are going to get worse it’s the Kali Yuga World age and we’re going to be inundated with these negative entities once again the technology that you were exploring and has continued to explore and her still as you said ready to bring to the present moment at this time of absolute sexual Madness more than ever through porn the the question is it took me awhile to get to it but how do you advise the world now about the need for Tantra what are your what are your words of wisdom and take as much time as is you have pleased to give us some guidance now Where Do We Begin what do we focus on and prioritize if we have limited attention spans you know yeah please and that was about a left hand or right hand Tantra and as far as I’m concerned they only real difference in a kind of pacification is that the right hand is to do with meditative Union with say the daikini and the right left hand is to do with actually taking an inverted Shakti to realize that Union but it’s both to do with the inner Union with the Divine being and then the interesting cuz I had it seems so simple but I had a revelation between like tantric meditation and the meditation of other religious forms is you’re not sublimating that energy that section energy you actually using that but what the right hand while you’re using it but with this entire no. Can you actually making love with the internal. Kini so it’s it’s using everything rather than denying everything so I just really wanted to address that because when you say to balancing photos of course you know the play is at the Contra dealer is that Tina between the outer and inner and other call BNI it within the soccer not the gross body that’s why it’s called the second body the energy body where that is you know that that in a erotic channel of energy where in at the Statue of Santa up to the crown and it’s all one energy and I said that they that the blessed is when you envision and experience the union of Shiva and Shakti in the crown chakra meaning like completely in their territory around but fillet in the cellular matrix honey and milk into the Lotus at the hot and got us that and that is The Crucible and that’s if the dentist thing to focus on in the inner plane that’s it because it’s about the dog and dangerous about the dog that hot ass between me and have a claim and it’s true that you know list for meditation that you can stop with the chief Zach time does all the time male body vibrates but we’re actually wonderful wave energy that you are manifesting it’s that I want it that you’re tuning into it with the gift-giving wow so the right-hand and left-hand path are not antagonistic that’s an illusion make the pads Chrysler make an ex or something in a beautiful dress right as bad as it spirals as it should beautiful thank you for that clarification I think that’s going to help a lot of people yeah so so I’m dressing and red and white snake spider and around but you know the contract principle is to get that energy than going into the central Channel which just you know is this I’m at wave of infinity no bottomless and topless photos of spiraling into that Central Channel yes yes thank you so much it’s as beautiful as it’s no wonder that your visual artist because you’re you creating a beautiful art form in the Maginot just through the word so and yeah thank you for that I am very excited to see what you continue to develop and and I definitely feel like his you’re saying it’s if it’s if the wisdom that you’ve been carrying is not percolating through the generations the way that it it we would hope for it to then I want to be stepping up as somebody who who really makes effort to connect people who are interested in erotica and neurotic media and the wisdom teachings that that you you share to be able to access them so hopefully this is one small step in that direction with doing this podcast and I’m going to definitely look forward to just catching up in schooling myself in your work yeah any other things you want to share before we go tonight you are sending out many good powerful vibrations to everyone who possibly tunes into this that they fix that part of being that country Quiva of the own Destinies and put themselves in the center of that own mandalas so that they a defect not just cause at the same time of cost aligning to the Divine headlights in the sky but your fulcrum and your guide so that you are at course but your turkey day at effect of the goddesses well, all right good night thank you so much pain he will text you and take care, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818 to 7515 3 or emo band at Country Park. 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