This episode is a post-ceremony recap with Angelica, the shamanic nurse at my top in the Sexorcism the Tantric Opera documentary. We sequentially discuss the behind the scenes and compare notes on what we experienced internally and externally from beginning to end.
We also discuss the implications for sexology, sexual healing, and criminal justice as this experimental research continues to rock the boat of orthodox everything.
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 97 in this episode I’m doing a recap from the sexorcism the tantric Opera the documentary with Angelica one of the shamanic nurses who you see in the film and then I’m also going to include the audio from the 5 minutes trailer for the documentary so if you haven’t gone over to Tantra Punk. Com sexorcism to see the film it’s free to watch online so please go ahead and do that and hopefully this episode will will get you excited for that again please as with anything I put out there’s a implicit trigger warning but I will double emphasize it because we’re talking about some of the the most extreme forms of abuse and violation that were taking a stand and rising up as shamanic Sexual Healing Wounded Warriors to make a difference in the world so if if it all you feel squeamish about going any further this would be the time to stop because obviously is going to get into some dramatic material but it’s also very empowering Inglorious to see the work unfold and evolve so please enjoy namaste Contra secret spot Sexual Healing work and the different modalities of psychedelic Shamanism not bringing sacred sacraments and the invocation of the divine feminine and use of psychedelic trance music which has the adrenal lising effect and a shamanic journeying Sonic driving affect this is kind of like Ghostbusters needs the Playboy channel is cirrhotic ghostbusting There’s real tangible medically measurable physiological effects of Tantra psychedelic sexual exorcism just calling for me I feel as very authentic because I am a survivor and because I absolutely had to walk this path out of absolute necessity your nervous system is always waiting for that moment when am I going to be held by the tribe when is the tribe going to do my soul retrieval when is everyone going to circle up and shout down these possessing spirits that are making me slit my wrists or you know cut myself or have an eating disorder or be a sexual predator or whatever it is all of the deformations of character and personality disorders and neuroses they’re all intrusions that would have been quickly and easily dealt with by a shamanic culture but because we’re lacking that we have to kind of hack it together. without inviting my parents I’ll just say it was a latchkey kid because we live in a patriarchy and it was a broken home and my mother was doing her best to put food on the table and provide for us but so much was lacking for me it was very attractive to find drugs in tribal Street culture my friends and Drug buddy initiators Brothers you know we shared needles saying you know Three Musketeers if we ain’t one of us gets AIDS we’re all going to share it so we all go down together they were the same ones that put me up to prostitution and said come on man we’re doing it you got to pull your weight around here I was 13 to be crippled in this way as a survivor in really negatively affects your ability to function it’s PTSD its shell shocked it’s flashbacks has you know everything is a trigger smells site sounds colors a person who is in the middle who is the receiver of the healing there hopefully being held in a manner that haven’t been held in since infancy really so there’s a level of returning to that total surrender to Total vulnerability where you can feel safe enough to go into the places that your psyche has kept you from for however many decades the medical and psychotherapeutic Sciences are missing is the shamanic and psychedelic epistemological perspective the hippies have been laughed at and marginalized and made fun of by the straight Square people child rape is not a laughing matter and adult rape is not a laughing matter to exaltation of the Priestess class that we are attempting to email beautify through song and dance and ritual and now all these beautiful festivals and Devotion to the Divine it’s not just a bunch of hippies you know being freaks how do you know this is a matter of life and death I didn’t expect to make it this far in life my sense of being all here Consolidated and purified and present my intactness can’t wait to figure out a way to really measure the before and after of how much more energetic Integrity do you have after this kind of privilege I feel like Heather will be a time when when I’m free ultimate leave totally free and get to start living my life the way most people take for granted Angelica what the fuck was going on in there from your perspective well give me like a okay so how about just the same thing we did last time which is like that so I’m curious cuz I was running around getting prepped and then and then and then I asked you and you decided you were going to go all the way here I can go all the way and play a starring role and I was so stoked I don’t think I’ve ever I don’t think I’ve ever been more excited more not excited but you know when spinal tap got back together that was the feeling I had like you reconciliation and you know because you were you had really been having second thoughts and feeling doubtful and I wanted to validate that and under that and not for sure push you or pressure or anything but by some miracle we could change your mind and it was like if I could have one fucking wish in this lifetime I think I would have spent it to have that happen but I swear I wasn’t using any black cat Magic tactics in mind what made me change my mind beautiful I had told you on the phone like yeah I’ll just be there cuz I already told I already gave you my word and so but I think the sentiments of the other females here and like realizing that my concerns were were also their concerns and I think we’re just socialized into I mean even pornography I think the way that we’ve been like I mean even that’s been stigmatized you know to like I know like it’s something that’s taboo and so the fact that this was going to be recorded and I identity and all this kind of like it’s a lot to ask and yeah but then I realized knows like what do I have to lose and then just being here and and wanting to like step up to the plate and hold space in the in a new way or maybe you’re in a deeper way than what I had before and is one for it I think despite you know my gut feelings of the beginning of things kind of changed and the incubator that we created with some yeah I just it was it was nice and even I mean we all kind of just like showed up not knowing what was going to happen like what it that even looks like in the filmmaker didn’t even know how the set was going to look like so we kind of all is just did our part and put it all together and it came out really amazing and magical you know not knowing what’s next but just going with it and it just Aegis blossoms in is amazing I’m really curious what what stands are for you is for is the timeline of I mean oh oh probably ask you you know for a little bit and clarification what not but just if you were to go ahead and tell the story from starting from when you decided that you were going to be involved and then it became a lot of a lot of just technical stuff like just okay. You to head this is like being on set this is like any other production just lighting and positioning in rehearsal and props and running through things and trying to yeah I mean people will have seen the the edited footage so isn’t there’s not much behind the scenes that’s that exciting I guess just whatever comes to mind I think for me it was like just insecurities that I was projecting you know like what am I going to look like a camera or like is my face, show am I doing this right blah blah blah but then like once you’re there is just like at some point I think we’ve been like took our masks but um yeah I arrive and you know we have we have our meal and we’re just talking and getting to know each other. the other people involved and 12 setting up I think I took a nap waiting around and I don’t know I think even even the timeline was because we did not stick to the timeline of what it is that was going to happen in the ceremony but it was beautiful I mean we started off as usual you know with intention and prayer and just like a group huddle of like what was the explicit was to be expected and I mean once to take the medicine the medicine is basically with takes over and and Collies called in and everything else is just the richest following a going with it and so the way that played out with no we have the opening prayer chanting and locations of are guides in the Mighty Beanz and opening up the portal and there downloading or starting to starting to feel like spensive and then I mean this time I was I was at the at the head and holding space and being the archetype of the mother do you want to back up to the where we were it was kind of like a I was kind of doing like a a drumming a bit and we’re curious to for me the dancing thing was was that was my first and Most Blessed opportunity and in life so far less far to be trusted with two female dakini yogini dancers trusting my grace in my my sort of thumb are we were all have we were headed that way this is this is the thing this is the thing that that I hope is clear and conveyed is that sexual politics and relationship Dynamics and personality in Eagle all these things were ostensibly taking her shoes off and I’m leaving them and hanging up or jackets and you know sort of showing up as pure energetic Essence with an intention to create a maximum healing synergistic effect that doesn’t involve negative mind chatter and one-upmanship and politics and and all that stuff so in order for this really surrender and have into feel trusted my anxiety was was like well leading up to let’s say was say oh I really hope they both feel and know and trust not just been but Kali enough to be guiding been fully to the point where if he moves Us in whatever ways you know he sees fit and he is like in quotes because who is he now it is he just himself as is you know or is he now a conduit a vessel of this invoked Shakti Kali wisdom I mean so for you two to be willing to boldly go into this dance where I had taken my tracks and in this is my opportunity to create some sort of some sort of symmetry of movement you know a sacred geometrical compounding of dimensionality with the whole nother circuit system circuitry and interface the three of us in a way that manifest a hyperdimensional potential for this the track to be played out in the Shakti the flow and always think so that was you both surrendered to be my Canvas OR the canvas of this dancing Artistry and I am dying to know what your thought process was going to be forced to do the moonwalk or something I’m going to have to do the written Rodger rabbit nervous about I think also I mean along with like already knowing okay this is a commitment and like already taken the medicine so the spaceship is taken off. No other choice I think it’s part of the process of like trusting you know just like I have a deep respect for you and and I trust you and so I’m like trusting the process and and yeah I also like trusting the goddess and so I also felt the way she came pretty much into all of us into all of our beings as vessels and so it’s kind of like became this like braids or this it wasn’t a choreograph it was just you know I was feeling out energy and it has a different kind of getting felt up energy and and how do I also just because we’ve already we’ve we’ve practiced this before so you know there was a deeper level of trust and like the first time but I guess it’s always nerve-wracking but letting go I think it’s another lesson there and yeah did you ever again for me to it was I had to think did the how do I be absolutely equal in my worshipful where worshiping devotion I’ve got a quote for me I had to cook a what how am I going to not leave anyone in the cold did you feel like I did a good job of balancing the attention and not leaving anyone else I feeling like a third wheel in the dancing fisa it was in life it was it was not about me you know what I mean so I didn’t have that like attention like you know and even when that was diverges like I’m in spirit so I’m dancing with spirit I am still part of it but not you know they’re not then I go in word and I’m like my own dancing partner has his my partner but it’s not like this isn’t about me or is this isn’t about me feeling like victimized and left until now not not at all like me and her coming together was actually really beautiful to Healing session that needed to be I kind of a kind of anticipated that I felt like there was going to be vicarious but that’s the whole point is that condition I knew I was going to get the cherry on top at the end so I wasn’t worried about no I was cool because I felt like we were me and her were able to do the sort of EMT shamanic you know paramedic deal for you you know just to some of the work it wasn’t as just kind of like some fine-tuning to be done before that’s what I’m most excited to see the footage of is like what that look like and how cuz you could really see there’s some other higher-dimensional intelligence that’s really putting all these Advanced Aikido moves in this sequence that where everything is just so much so much electrical engineering of the flow of energy in a so anyway yeah that’s cool we’re all going to be moved in different ways you know it says downloading either a different like downloading a different either I mean it’s the same entities the same the same Spirit in the same intention except because we’re all different than people you know we’re going to going to be different and so it was really beautiful to see and witness Missy her her downloads you know one end the way that she was moving even away from like the timeline that we had written you know and and and you know I wasn’t supposed to be a patient in this you know until like that Divergence was was unforeseen but it was within the flow of the tracks and it actually work the way that you know there are built up and even as far as timing goes and the rhythm of the next is kind of like graduating or your life the gradual deepening of the next stage in the next process in the next Tuesday for healing so I was really not expecting to be so completely hammered by that dosage I was fucked up and I could barely stand and barely speak and the lights were so bright and so obnoxious to me I mean it wasn’t it wasn’t I shouldn’t say obnoxious it was just it was just it was intense the lighting and I am in in it I’ve never I’ve had beautiful experiences in the daylight like looking at the sun through my eyelids and seeing beautiful cathedral sort of refractions and stained glass kind of beautiful so it’s it’s not like light and mushrooms don’t mix because it can be super beautiful during the day in the forest to the sun shining right on you and you just bathing in that for some reason though with all these bright Film Production artificial lights he was just I felt like I was in the Netherworld limbo some some like a like a space-age airlock or something it just felt I couldn’t really see and feel the texture of the Goddess the way I normally do it felt more like it was inside of a gas inside of a light bulb and all of the mystical things that I normally able to see with my third eye I could barely see anything even with my eyes closed it was it took away a lot of the visual Dimension which was kind of kind of from what’s the word on just disorienting and I wasn’t used to have it so but by the time we get to the Kali provocation fairly I’m feeling which was the most the most deep rich chocolate intense powerful thing we I felt like I was most curious to see how how we were all going to respond to mutually being in that track together and it’s and it’s and I often feel like like a collapsed to my knees were just faceplant to the goddess and I’ve just surrender all my ego all my power I mean things that don’t even think about in my college-age students like you want to be very very careful about this because it’s within it’s the state of California guidelines as it’s within 3 years if you are 17 and under but that don’t that starts at like 12 so you know like between an 8 year old and 11 year old or 12 year old knots that’s not going to hold like that’s not going to be acceptable and have to start with the age of 12 and going up you can’t backtrack it so if the person younger than 12 it’s still really really illegal and and not going to work in your favor but 12 and up their kind of looking okay so if you’re 12 in the person you’re interested in is a little bit older than maybe but you need to be careful with that and I think the big problem comes in is when we have people around the cussed so you have somebody’s 15 16 17 to date someone and then they turn 18 you know the other partner turns 18 and now what so now you’re not supposed to be in this relationship any longer and now all of a sudden you cannot consent to this relationship I don’t know I feel like there’s a I understand the laws and I understand the reasons for it I think it’s great to protect people but I also think we don’t give teens credit for being actual sexual persons who could make choices for themselves yeah I was certainly with a lot of older women when I was under 18 so that would have I would have been upset and sad if anyone tried to step in and on that but it’s gendered announcer complicated certainly you I don’t know I guess in my area would have been that just as a rule of thumb male sexual energy was just kind of demonised is being Territorial. And now it’s headed lesbian couple it’s a female identified female body young women who were yeah it’s a different just tell me a different Dynamic so who knows where it’ll lead at this point but at least the center for positive sexuality is here to have these conversations and do you have do you have do you want to talk about a bit about what your your passion is as an educator in the professor like what are you do you have any research that you’re doing your Department’s or you kind of thumb yeah like kind of locking into a specific topics that interest you amongst all these things I mean most of my work still centers around sexuality and I usually teach introductory an advanced human sexuality courses I also teach other classes so I teach mainly in sociology departments so you know I teach about society and culture and people but I really like teaching about deviance and we research on deviance and identity and and all that kind of stuff so a lot of my research is about BDSM is about sex work is about feminist pornography is a kinds of fun stuff I’m presenting at a conference next month on a paper that came out about a year ago and the Journal of sex medicine my colleagues and I did a study on looking at BDSM as a Leisure activity so if we can say fine it’s not pathology let’s stop talking about it that way so okay then what is it and we thought well maybe it’s fits Leisure and if we look at leisure as not just a Pastime but as something that you identify with something that makes you feel whole makes you feel fulfilled is something that you choose to do then then I think it can fit into that category so that’s one of the big one of the big research projects I worked on very recently that’s awesome you have to make it makes me think that if I were to have to explain anthropologically or take that sort of the view of being an alien trying to understand what people are doing her I would kind of say well when when kids are pre-pubescent they make believe and they create epic worlds of Adventure and fantasy role-play and then when people come of age you become adults and they realize that they have these new toys that develop then they want to use them and actually be imaginative and creative in and use their whole potential of their erogenous imagination and their new toys and then they can actually play freely with each other where you know when when kids are playing playing games that you would consider to be somewhat violent and nature they don’t usually actually harm or kill each other you know so it’s not that hard it’s not that great of a leap of logic right to imagine that adults would reaxis some of that imaginary fun making instincts or hate American culture as we really look down on Leisure we would look down on play and we look down on make-believe and so we decide that’s just for children and it’s not for grown ups and I think that that’s a really horrible horrible perspectives of the world cuz you’re only a child for a very very brief point of your life and you’re an adult for a really really long part of your life and wouldn’t I don’t want to stop playing. Why would you want to grow up ever and so yeah I think of BDSM I think erotic play I feel like yeah it’s just this extension of your creativity and artistic and Tristan and your means of expressing yourself and now you get to have sex so why wouldn’t you add that and everything else thank you for helping to frame it that way cuz that it’s it’s so it’s easier to digest when you when I just have never heard that what that phrase before but it just erotic play being obviously it means that you could incorporate more than just your one monogamous married partner that’s just still only allowed that culturally they by the mainstream the idea of being sexually playful with a group of people in the community of people as a social activity like a cocktail party or a mixer or I mean why can’t you believe make break into play make-believe you know the okay fine I just I’m this is my partner this is the only person I’m going to have sex with her I’m going to be in love with or however you’re defining that but I can pretend for the next hour or two that there’s someone I’ve never met before or that there a superhero or that a magical being or whatever and that can really shift your erotic interest in your erotic pleasure I think you probably would be able to say that it will make a lot of relationships last longer and be more Pap more healthier happier for sustainable resilient cuz you’re not getting bored and giving up and going you know stoic that’s great so do you have a key tell it tell me more about the center and how it how it runs and functions is it kind of like a drop-in center or do you have only certain events at certain times or how does the facility time work out we don’t actually have a physical location most of it exists inside my laptop and out of and that means we don’t have to pay for rent so that’s why we go to where we need to go so you know we have regular meetings happen in my house or one of the other board members houses we do have some events here and there are a lot of our fundraisers or just online to make it easier to reach as many people as possible and of course we’re trying to reach a broader audience than just Los Angeles so we Skype workshops we Skype things we’ve talked to classes in New York and classes in Idaho and you know all over the place so you know we do a lot of different things we also have an academic Journal that you’re positive sexuality it’s free it’s open access anyone is welcome to use it and read it and submit work to it and you know that’s been going we’re now in our third year of publication of that and that is hitting a worldwide audience some of the countries that are accessing this are it’s all over in Australia and in Belgium and in various parts of the UK and it’s hitting parts of Asia Japan so it’s really really great so we have a very wide reach and what we do we have approximately 50 to 60 volunteers who work with us we also have an internship program so we get college students who want internship credits or what the work experience and so they volunteer for a specific. Of time and work on specific projects for us at different times of the year we get most of our interns during the summer but we get interns year-round and we have in our volunteers so we have Educators we have people who are research Affiliates and who published research and use the center is one of their professional affiliations we have research assistants who helped them we do you work with events so we do some Outreach events I think on Wednesday we’re going to UCLA sextravaganza which is been happening for several years on UCLA’s campus that we usually set up a booth are we do that with other things around town we’ve also have members some of our volunteers go to conferences all over the world and represent us at different places and in different areas where they were very popular in Melbourne just found out from a friend who’s been living in Australia for past couple years so I can’t I guess we’ll have to go there at some point cool it’s a new cloud-based model it’s elegant and overhead in the neighborhood drama and that there’s a lot of reasons to transcend that six location and you can if you can be a mobile you know unit then you can just take your your your laptop and projector and some you know what your handouts or whatever you have in this b a and again because true using Skype and using other types of internet programs you know we can get into a classroom you know that might not be able to bring us there physically but we can still do it will set it up on our end and and just stream live stream wherever we need to be and and it’s very helpful to cuz we so we have volunteers I think are farthest away volunteer that we’ve had so far was in Trinidad so we can have volunteers from anywhere in the world who can work with us medication programs and so they help us Creator update or education resources in our reference materials and putting together things to help teachers facilitate this in their classes they might actually be one of our Educators we train people to go out to those classes and to give presentations to places we have research assistants to make come in with a certain amount of background knowledge and how to do academic research and some come in just wanted to learn it and so we trained them and they work with people who are doing research in various aspects of positive sexuality and so some of them get to co-author papers and some of them get to work on the ground floor of research happening and get to really get into what that is and have a voice and have an influence in what’s being done in the academic world and this is course then starts to affect policy when we’re putting scientific research in front of people and saying here this is what the says that’s not the correct or let them besides these aspects and that can be very very helpful we work with other organizations so and CSF the National Coalition for sexual freedom is one of our sort of co-working his nation’s the community academic Consortium for research on alternative sexualities we work with them as well yeah I’m getting chills yeah I’m getting chills cuz this is a lot more than I bargained for and actually seeking a lot of what you’re describing and to have yeah we hope we have a good bit of time last time feeling compelled to ask you a little bit about I guess hey if you’re into taboos right blowing them there is all I ever believed starting this week there’s going to be the biggest psychedelic science conference in the history of humanity happening in the Bay Area it’s put together by that multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and the there’s a lot of really important cutting-edge legal for the first time in decades studies happening all over the world with psilocybin you know I gave magic mushrooms and MDMA and Ayahuasca and marijuana and peyote and I will gain a number of other synthetic and natural organic you could say psychedelic compounds in a lot of it is at this point in this stage of the Renaissance of research it’s really about proving the safety the relative safety of different compounds getting the dosage to be sort of understood better at also having some really important clinical trials around ending ending addiction to harmful drugs ending cigarette addiction end-of-life anxiety sexual abuse and Trauma and PTSD from War veterans there’s all these different the demographics that are starting to have really groundbreaking results and they’re doing you know they’re putting in the millions of dollars to do the the research for all this and so I bring that up just to say that this is an interesting juncture for me because the a cultural cliche about sex drugs and rock and roll and you know the way that the culture of inebrians is starting to move a large part due to Raves and festivals it’s moving more towards entheogens than just Coke and heroin and meth and booze there’s more opportunities for people who are coming into their sexuality to have access to psychedelic experiences and so there’s the new Alchemy of innocent in these Generations between sex drugs and rock and roll and if it’s it’s it’s it’s a lot more sophisticated and advanced and and and just more diverse in many ways than it was in the 60s when it was you know Acid Rock and LSD and other birth of the the hippie movement in the 60s but I’m wondering if you have in your position they’re come across any any any people who are interested in in rigorous academic study of what this new sex and drugs and rock and roll Paradigm it is shaping up to become if there’s anyone interested in that that you know of he’s been there are definitely people who are starting who are doing research on these topics and very often the connection that ends up happening in the academic research is you know if we’re looking at the sex drugs and rock and roll that of course is going to look at the outcomes and too often I think the the outcome that gets stressed is okay so what’s the what’s the public health issue so is it possible or is it likely that people are might be transmitting STIs because they might be under the influence of something or maybe they can’t we do we have to worry about consent if someone is under the influence of something that then means that they cannot now consent to what happens at that point so what happens if everybody who’s involved have done that so where does that line get drawn so I think a lot of the issues that have come up in recent research has been either on public health topics around STI transmission or on consent topics recognizing that at least by law if someone is inebriated for example they can now no longer consent to sexual activity okay so what happens if everybody involved. That’s so interesting yet that’s exactly what I’ve been actually encountering and in just by life experiences it’s there’s there’s a lot of people now who were you can say you were having expanded Consciousness through empty agentic use meaning it’s kind of a nice way of saying psychedelic no drugs but but that’s an important consideration because just because you feel like you’re enlightened than that one with God doesn’t mean that you’re immune from being the perpetrator with that Enlightenment that you don’t think you have a potential for abuse and even if it’s not that sort of shady you know where that sort of Insidious there’s also just the issue you’re not in your body if you’re having an out-of-body ecstatic psychedelic experience how how do you get even if you can send it to the idea of something earlier in the evening that has to be held through somehow and if you lose the if you become somebody else or part of your higher self or whatever it could be theirs that’s some chicky territory for sure yeah so that’s I guess there’s you know that I’ve seen like at electronic dance music events you can call him Rave but that’s kind of more you know probably more accurate term these days cuz there’s within that whole world there’s different camps and it’s more no more more bride to just called electronic dance music these days but you know there is there’s sort of harm reduction education Outreach groups that put out one sheet kind of look like glass CD mailer cards you know about business matters and they have kind of a profile of what the different substances how did how to test and make sure that they’re real or are what you’re getting it like that there’s that whole harm reduction education Outreach approach that is kind of like what you’re talking about but it’s for the party scene in just for best and better practices around that but I could see that they’re being a sum interest group of people where they would want to see things the way you’re talking about it cuz I actually no way you’re framing it it it feels like there’s a lot more due diligence for people that want to be credible and respectable and using best practices to actually think with some of these analytical tools so I’m hoping you’ll be great if there was some overlap or or or Synergy with all this stuff I think more and more what is happening as we’re seeing the people who are actually involved in all of these different spaces you know the people were actually doing whatever it is we’re talking about having more influence on the research that’s being conducted so that it creates a more authentic overall experience and I think it adds a level of legitimacy to the research so rather than a researcher sort of from on high saying well I’m going to study this group and I think what they’re doing may not be safe and so we know the perspective that I’m going to come about with this is that well this is already inherently unsafe and now I’m going to show you why it’s in safe and I think more and more we have researchers who are in these communities who are in these faces or doing all of these things and you say you know maybe we need to do is talk to the people who were actually doing this and not talk to them with a preconceived notion of what’s going on or what they’re experiencing or what may be happening but go in just as a hey could give us some information to tell us about what’s happening and I think we’re seeing more of that so there has been research on for example like barebacking and there’s been research on sex workers experiences and there’s been research on sort of the the spiritual some of the spiritual Connections in the spiritual extremes that can be experienced through extreme SM activities light hookah coals and those kinds of things so we’re seeing more and more of that happening where people who are actually in these groups are part of the subcultures are also crossovers into the academic life and we’re just seeing an amazing amount of research that starting to Bubble to the surface and get a little bit of space. I think this research has been getting done for quite a while but it can be really hard to get it published because some of the academic Publishers don’t want to hear about it and I want you to my is any of these things so if they publish something on it they want to be really careful so with our journal and with some of the other journals out there we’ve been able to bridge. Cap and actually be able to show some I feel like more authentic stories well absolutely will now in this world have so many The Gatekeepers being dissolved by the power of the internet I feel like you know there’s a lot of bad journalism or untrained journalism so there’s got to be a lot of bad or untrained or Incredible or uncredible research but maybe it’s the methodology that can be what’s the word sort of feel like I could imagine what as you were speaking I was imagining will wouldn’t it be great to train the you know that like the anthropological participation observation ethnography kind of model but if you were to train if you were coming from that subculture and you wanted to sort of document your tribe and produce your own ethnography kind of amongst your friends kind of tabulate experiences and collect notes insured compare notes is there was you recommend any kind of Crash Course doing data collection for different types of research paper I’m doing ethnography in the field and sort of how that works and how you can sort of pull everything together there’s a really good little guidebooks you know a quick online search for for some of these guys are out there and ask her if she is amazing stuff I love doing a photography by the way I think it’s an incredible tool that doesn’t get use nearly enough and and it got a lot of researchers a colleague of mine she recently did a photographic ethnographic working with lgbtq Foster Youth and homeless Youth and kind of went out gave them all cameras and said take photographs of Your World of your life of who you are, and they did a whole art show you know like found a gallery in Downtown LA and just played everyone’s photographs and and you know really got people connected to them and seeing them as people who have life experiences and they’re not just sort of a category of disadvantaged kids so yeah I think there’s there’s an easy guide books out there just like a quick you can find some quick little things of how to do ethnography and how to do that and but I think a lot of that to starts with her own storytelling so things that you do and things that others do and and all the bloggers out there and everything of these are all forms of ethnography relay yeah that’s cool it’s just that it’s exciting and hopeful cuz I feel that I’m at a point where I’m doing kind of pseudo-scientific Rogue radical research that’s way too far out for any government agency or any academic institution to touch with a ten-foot pole so it’s it’s kind of on me and my colleagues and friends 2 do this sort of underground research but then hope that it it’s done in a way that it can be respectable or it can be legitimated later you know but it is probably good to do what you’re suggesting and actually have some some templates for collecting the data that mean okay here’s what would our experiment yielded and here’s the methodology in the procedure and you can test it on your own Hardy or lab or whatever replicate what you’ve done and so can you give enough information that would allow somebody else to replicate and get similar results in their own place or find totally different results which is also fascinating injured and interesting and yeah and I think that’s really I mean that’s science that is science Sciences pushing boundaries and science is you now let’s try a new thing and see what happens and science is telling a new story or New Perspective of a story and you know I think that that’s been lost over the past many years Society The Sciences inquiry science is asking questions and wondering why thing happens and how something happens and trying to figure that out and I think that we’ve sort of collectively as a larger society have sort of lost that Focus write the word crowdsourced crowd-source funding crowdsourced ideas and editing and an art I mean you were talking about that at that photo gallery exhibit and that’s a great example if you would call that a crowd-sourced ethnographic oh yeah photojournalism nice oh yeah that’s cool that’s that’s exciting time so I’m also wondering now do you have do you do you or your organization the Center provide any kind of consulting services or any kind of where you could be hired or you could be sort of commissioned to do research or to consult on Research I don’t know that we’re I don’t know that anybody is really hired to do research cuz wouldn’t it be fantastic if someone will pay for that but that doesn’t happen if we do get hired as consultants for a variety of things so either individuals within the organization or the collective organization May consult on certain projects or consult on like creative curriculum for a particular thing and we have individuals who are consulted on court cases and I’m legal issues so so there’s a lot of that we also get hired by professionals like to teach professional workshops on various topics so that happens as well because we’re a nonprofit although those things are often we you know ask for fee cuz usually the people who were asking for these services are people who can pay for it but what going out to the schools we’re going to colleges in touch or we have a student group asked us to come and do something with them or like what you know we go to somebody’s community of answer something we may ask for an honorarium but we’re going to do this stuff for free so we really depend on our donors and our contributors and the people who support us to kind of give us the funding that we need in order to do what we want to do and and to publishing and all the other stuff so our journals available for free most of our Outreach staff and education program is all for free so yeah a lot of what we do depends on donations as opposed to people actually hiring us officially to do something right on that sounds like a healthy well-rounded multi Revenue stream nonprofit you’re definitely fulfilling your mission in so many beautiful dimensions and I’m just really happy to know that we’ve connected to some really feel better about living in the world with you more offline 2 just to explore some of these Consulting opportunities that you have and see what we’re about and all of that stuff were completely volunteer so none of us are paid for what we do I don’t run a paycheck nobody wants a paycheck that’s completely volunteer and yeah we’re just we’re just trying to let you know we just try to bring it enough funds to keep going and to keep doing what we’re doing and to expand so we’re actually going to be expanding our face-to-face education program out to Chicago over the next few months so Craig can you do that that’s well thank you so much that’s great I feel like it’s it’s really refreshing to to hear that there are people out there who are so dedicated to the cause that it’s that you did not just going to slam the door in your face if you don’t write a check if you know the first five minutes if you’re not going to bill me for this podcast interview right now about an hour into it is do you have a sort of committee or task force or team or just even a person who is either because they are a trauma Survivor or because it’s just near and dear to their hearts whatever reason is there you do consent workshops in self-defense or rape and assault prevention and any any more of the or any any of the sort of preventative and treatment kind of education unpreparedness we do have programs around consent we don’t really specifically talk about self defense or or right prevention in the standard sense so we don’t really talk about here’s what you can do to prevent being raped we talked about here’s what you can do to not rape someone because really this is not on the victim this is on the perpetrator but we also talked about you know here’s other ways that you might think about your sexual self and your identity in the power dynamics that you may interact with and find consensual outlets for some of your interests and behaviors and the citiz and you know we talked about a wide range of those things so it would be great if the people who are doing the Rape Crisis counseling and who are just in the trenches of dealing with battered women and in and going in and and doing you know investigations to catch meant to prosecute the perpetrators of all ages if they were I would let it would be great if in it you know in a perfect world they were seeking you all to educate themselves on better prevention and better version or diversion from the criminal whole that the response like they’re coming as the First Responders two incidents that would have been prevented by a proper education on all sides right and we do have we do have information so some of our researchers and and because we have people who are social workers who have conducted research through us who have published on how to do how to have a sex positive approach to handling victims how to have a sex positive approach to handling offenders and that these approaches can really help reduce crime can reduce negative stigma can reduce it comes cool is that would that be on your website or at some if I if I can follow up with you later cool okay well alright I feel like it’s this is yes. A real blessing and I just want to thank you again for your time and generous sharing of great info so with that said do you want to give the website and any other maybe upcoming events or anything else you’d like to promote and the website is positive sexuality. Org journal and that’s Journal of positive sexuality. Org we have our anniversary party coming up this July so if you want to be invited and want to be a part of that anniversary party will be a fundraiser you can contact me at Emily Emily at positive sexuality. Org or you can go to our website and put in your email address and then you’re on our newsletter list and you’ll get information through our newsletter about our party and we’re hoping we’re putting together an academic conference for next year so look on our website check things out if you go to sex pause khan.com so s e x p o s c o n. Com there’s going to be updated information they’re probably starting in the next couple of weeks for our positive sexuality conference coming up in 2018 in Burbank all right that’s very exciting thank you again yeah that’s me alright thank you so much again and I will hopefully I’ll be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite sex if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. Com Thomas gay