Permaculture, Futurism, Techno-Optimism, Pessimism, and Realism Part 1 TPP253

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In this episode I share part one of a commentary I did on the Ray Kurzweil documentary Transcendent Man

My Non Verbatim Show Notes:

innocense of getting into science

geniuses that could be reached, extremely high level stuff

hip to environmental technologies

nano solar technology

once you get the download of the permaculture conceptual framework it becomes a lens you can apply to all different aspects of reality

social, personal, ecological, all these different landscapes

exciting when can share that skill set, that tool kit with other people who have different backgrounds, apply to their core competency

if kurzweil, had that imprint of permaculture

imagine how his algorithmic thinking about exponentiality and the potential of hyperspeed implementation of these technologies on the horizon

if that level of awareness and direction, genetics, nanotech, and robotics, leading to singularity, I was thinking about diy, there’s potential

kurzweil’s law of accelerating returns, anything is possible at this point, when I was watching beyond sustainability on youtube with david holmgren, inevitability of peak oil, unless a sci fiction outcome happens, energy source to power current and growing demands, that would be the only way we wouldn’t have to experience involuntary simplicity

immediately I thought, that is a factor, if anybody is going to ask is that possible or what would that look like, it would be someone like kurzweil, who’s crunching the data

making logical predictions, conclusions not widely accepted, anything is possible state of mind

getting that introduction to his data and his outlook, gave me a lot of hope, a good medicine, not a full antedote, but a medicine for the people getting depressed by the grim prospects

even the people doing the great work to install permaculture landscapes, its the most invigorating medicine you can have

the odds aren’t against us if you look at kurweil’s perspective, anything really is possible, the nano-solar implementation, a big problem of course is that even if there really was a major new energy source unveiled,

it would require the re-engineering of all the infrastructure people have, always will be haves and have nots even if there’s a new wave of technology

because of the socio-economics of the way the world is structured under patriarchal industrial capitalism,

distribution is not gonna be equal, the other 90%

futuristic sci fi perspective, feel 3 different variants, 1 being mad max version, 1 be blade runner, 1 would be star trek version

in mad max, you have the failure of the singularity delivering us from all of our problems, perfecting all of our weaknesses,

techno-pessimistic perspective, we’re not gonna make it

in the star trek world, that is the scenario where, I don’t know how much they deal with what actually happened on earth, but you get the idea from the star trek legacy, they were able to solve problems with technological innovation

techno utopian future, battles with different interests throughout the universe, but earths’ evolution of technology led in a positive, utopian direction

then in the middle, I’m more in sync with, the blade runner, cyber punk techno dystopia, corporate fascist,

all owned, proprietary, owned , locked down, corporate controlled, suffer in toxic hell on earth, if you can’t afford, implants, filters, get on board escape pods, haves vs have nots

meeting in the middle of kurzweil techno optimism, I don’t think it’s totally likely that we’ll have across the board complete decimation of modern society, and return to a barbaric mode, iron age, bronze age, chiefdom societies

what mad max portrays is what did exist for 1000s of years of early civilization, settled societies, food producers, ransacked by hordes, unable to maintain national boundaries with air strikes and massive military, order of law, international commerce

total collapse, partial collapse,

digitized food, digitized clean area, nano everything, robotic everything

I was really impressed with the time lines, it came to my mind, if you could do a time lapse on human implements, watch them shrink from giant medieval, carriages, cuneiform, glyphs, the scale of computation, transportation, all kinds of different devices and machines and time lapse that so that at a certain point it gets smaller and smaller until it disappears and become invisible

tightening spiral of evolution and change, totally makes sense, the frontier of nano machines

I’m pretty convinced, if that trajectory of exponential shrinking of machines is upheld then we can expect to have this nano frontier to be working with

if the political will was there to be doing things like soil remediation and soil building and all that kinda good stuff, way more interested in that than creating nano blood cells, and expanding human life span to be immortal

my critique of kurzweil on that level is that, he would do well to study shamanism, an earth bound orientation to being an organism, shamanic traditions, its okay to die, what’s after death isn’t that scary, there’s ways to encounter the after life while you’re alive so you’re not afraid of it

I feel free grotesque aspirations about messing with human life span, the way we fight disease, understanding that there are precedents in human history, living in ways appropriate for the ecosystem, humble the male ego, that just can’t be a peace

he talked a lot about the suboptimality of the human organismic design and programming from a dna perspective, not my area of interest

I’d much rather solve the issues that affect life on earth period, not extending the human life span, not buy our way out of the natural consequences of being out of balance on a personal level, why you have disease

all for using tech to help people, but giving someone the ability to cheat the consequences of lack of exercise, poor diet, out of balance with local ecology, distribution of wealth and opportunity throughout the world

those are my ethical boundaries

if he of all people had permaculture principle, ethical framework installed

something else I really get, gram bell, permaculture way, the spiral of intervention, a few ethical procedural, methodological points to it

having to do with problems on the landscape, predators, disease, the largest part of the spiral the base of it, would be to do nothing, wait and see if problem solves itself, next stage would be mechanical intervention, biological, intervention, last of all chemical, if you’re looking at solving problems in a food production landscape, example of predators eating your life stock, you could do nothing and see if it balances out

happened upon a documentary called collapse, based on Jared Diamond’s work, how societies choose to succeed or fail, focusing on the ones that collapsed and one’s that were facing collapse but were able to turn it around

sentiment I thought of for a while, when all these high civilization’s we’re at there peak, moments away from total collapse, hyper extension throughout the landscape, everything coming down to deforestation, water supply issues, all rooted in misuse of the landscape, creating surplus not returning to the landscape, or the people, all funneled to the ruling elite, work on the collapse of societies

they would not have dared imagined that they were so close to the edge

the ruling elite acknowledges the threats but not taking it seriously enough

we have this faith in science and technology to rescue us, depending on how much you bury your head into the data

so I’m all on board with the potential, techno optimistic positive singularity potential

as some one who studies survivalism, looks at barriers to those infinite possibilities, let’s say without serious friction the rate of change will continue to increase, all those frontiers of genetics, nano tech, and robotics will flower and unfold, feel sick to even use that metaphor, but if this truly is to be the flowering of human consciousness, I feel very alienated from earth, very dangerous, extreme forms of violence, warfare, I would much rather this would not unfold, but I don’t think it’s possible, save by divine intervention, a massive plauge, we were so close, so close, if there would have just been another couple years of cheap energy and water, these institutions developing these technologies and these frontiers, we would have gotten to that point of technological salvation, or infinite possibilities in those spheres

we pushed the limits so far, its not assured, it’s not guaranteed, that trajectory is not gonna be clothes lined and immediately fall because of how far stretched

if only we’d learned from the mistakes of previous civilizations that have collapsed at the peak of their technological prowess

the fact is, the thing that’s most pressing to me is we are so abundantly aware of how previous civilizations have collapsed, total hubris towards natural limits, breaking laws of nature to build these empires, then getting smacked down immediately and losing huge chunks of information to illiteracy in the dark ages, and entropy and erosion, the decay of texts and whatnot

in life after people the history channel series, they showed how the information technology that we have built up will have the least longevity in the face of natural entropy, we can’t control the climate of our documents, can’t keep the sunlight out, the buildings start cracking, all the digital information storage, almost immediately dissolved, it was the civilizations that used stone media to tell there stories and to keep their histories, that will actually be what lasts, a big part of me thinks that, as arrogant as previous collapsed society was and to think of what was on their technological horizon at the point that they got smacked down, it was probably just as grandiose, they could have achieved their hopes and dreams if they hadn’t outstripped their resources, warfare over resources, social psychological question, more than a mechanical technological one, will the population of the earth have a paradigm shift

the paradigm shift is the wild card factor, is that paradigm shift possible, we know its possible to have power and control, but whether or not people rise up to create that paradigm shift in ethics and principles, permaculture will be the most powerful intervention to that trajectory and help really give us a chance at a positive future