This is an interview with Reena, one of my tantra teachers/mentors. We discuss how activists can benefit from a path of spiritual development that will enhance our health, wealth, power, and visionary consciousness to apply towards all the good causes we fight so hard for.
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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved so welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 6 this is a conversation that I had about radicalism activism and spirituality with a dear friend and Mentor Arena so I hope you enjoy it and learn a lot and I mistake I’m going green now is especially my talk to her mainstream Consciousness from buying green products to trying to get more to this abstract concept is Mother Earth where you know it’s kind of a whereas from a more traditional cultural perspective it’s actually experiential and something is very real and very different types of feminine energies and all of that I think it’s becoming more apparent green Consciousness and you know the re-emergence of the goddess in a in a very abstract symbolic an on-and-off and commercialized way you know what this better nothing great but there’s a different deeper need to to go back further in time and to reconnect with deeper roots of connectedness I think you know to to the planet and Consciousness and energy and Divinity and there’s definitely a lot of time-tested methodologies and techniques and kind of sacred modalities to for people to in modern modern people who are there ways you can teach people in modern society how to find that within themselves within the plant cells have a long introduction but I just wanted to tie in the context of why this is relevant to going green and I think it is important to I look at things in this way so do you want to kind of give him the directions yourself what you’re involved in a little bit about your your background and and then we can get into some pointed questions sure my my name is Rita Desai I know my background is in social justice organizing my my academic back on his in economics and politics and I was organizing mainly in the area of workers rights and and anti-corporate campaigns and it’s something I mean social transformation social justice is something that I am very very passionate about I mean I can talk a little bit about this later but my most fertile rewarding work was in India where I was coordinating a campaign that was resisting the rise of corporate retail chain you know because of the destruction of could have on agriculture sector in India and also because of their wave of Twitter material culture that is that it is bringing currently and that it would it would just reinforce and you know it was through 2006/2007 an end and working on the campaign and I’m meeting with a large amount of success in this campaign that I realized will external at the end of a year-and-a-half I was completely burnt out and and stressed out and just not really a nice person which is when I came to realize that something needs to change because if I’m really hoping to build no transformation in the world that have to be sustainable so it’s through through through my head of organizing pass into what I called in a lot of ways external organizing that I came to realize I can’t do this without putting myself in my own self development my own well-being into this work until I so and so I am now doing what I call Inner transformation linking inner transformation to social transformation work where I am I’m bridging spirituality with social justice and within this process really going down going through my own spiritual path which you know which you brought up sort of the rise of the Goddess now this is something that’s something that I’ve been studying something that I’ve been teaching in terms of reconnecting to you know my feminine power and and and helping to teach women to connect to their feminine power as one of the greatest sources of Our Own Strength confidence Health Vitality connection to the Earth and also a power of 4 for social transformation what I’m doing now is is is is consciousness-raising and in personal personal transformation for this larger social transformation now that was great that was perfect thank you for sharing all that and down actually one or two before moving on I think you mentioned before that you hadn’t been able to work with friend on Toshiba is that correct oh yeah when in India we it was a campaign ad campaign is called India FDI watts and so we worked we assembled a pretty broad constituency of groups individuals that were either directly or indirectly affected by the country of a multinational corporation still Vandana Shiva was definitely a big partner in in the campaign and Lord of the work that she has been to bang around you know around fighting corporations and agriculture sector of the WTO and various other trade agreement that and also genetically modified seeds as an Arbiter had a lot of respect for her work and I’m also the fact that she so commonly on they’ll promote the concept of egocentrism which is something you don’t think that we hear the women’s lives after the sixties and if it kind of subsided in the main thing before before I became to sleep with a clear we’re even had the sensitivity to be looking for it I think that’s a huge issue and you know kind of set up Helsing Academia and hasn’t had a lot of water but I think one of the people who really put that to the end of Praxis and release you know Alexa Hands-On practical application and wanted to give you a few questions here and we Define spirituality for people who literally have just lived their whole life and I left brain and everything comes wrapped in a package and goes into a garbage can or recycling bin and very thin rational linear reality that you know the Matrix and that doesn’t separate or seperate holy place to experience you have a quick definition of spirituality that you can use to get people dancing well I guess for me spirituality is in the broadest and maybe in the most basic sense is is turning inwards is you know is turning inwards and recognizing that we have an inner life you know that that isn’t necessarily all based in the brain and an in a lot of ways to connect connecting to the heart and understanding you know the truth and of the heart and listening and understanding what it means to actually live through the heart you know I I’ve been thinking about this a lot in terms of how to talk about spirituality with people involved in social justice movements and involved in the last because it because it’s interesting that that in a lot of circles and definitely in a lot of circles that I was a part of you know it’s part of the labor movement and producer organizing there is this this this notion that you know that going inwards that’s that personal transformation that spirituality is something that is only for the elite to do when you know when in reality it the entire all of the structures that we’re sort of critical of you know capitalism is based on materialism the entire structure is based on finding fulfillment from material objects and and everything that is external to us we do we don’t need that I mean this is something that that we’re actually turning away from in Western culture right now this this constant consumption is constant need to find happiness in something external ourselves and so for me I mean spirituality is really just to to turn to turn inwards in to find you no understand what happiness is from within 2 2 too costly open to Greater levels of love and you know and truth from within ourselves and really sort of transcending the ego and and and and examining you know what examining you are how we have been taught and programmed in a lot of ways by Society by the media buy our parents you know and so for me it’s too sweet to go inwards and to really find Freedom by coming to higher levels of consciousness that come from inner truth as opposed to the outer truth and so I mean that’s and in the end you know what it really practical terms that means it means personal growth and I’m committing to one’s personal growth so you know there’s they ancient Priestess traditions in India and the goddess traditions in India what they would say that you know these bees were women who devoted their lives to to God or to a higher power and really that that means what it means to devote yourself to God or to vote to devote yourself to you know a higher power and means nothing more than to devote yourself to your own personal growth and to always you know understand that that that this life is it’s for for for growth is it for development you know we’re not perfect none of us are perfect and so-and-so spirituality for me as understanding this end and constantly you know developing ourselves I’m going into work to do this Slavic radio going inward Guided by the heart and grows in Kirkland almond overall pretty comprehensible 14 I like working definition Cosmic Dimension but it’s not a sort of like point A to point B with here in a spaceship and go to the other side of the Galaxy it’s like lit murder Consciousness into higher dimensionality so that space and time the way we can see them in four dimensions you know it’s transcended in and there is no attic of the cosmos end of reality that include and get transcend space and time and figure out a way to making music people to understand I think from what you’re saying experience and going inward your body into like a vehicle to travel through Dimensions early and have greater access to knowledge and greater access to healing energy and insights and all kinds of things that coming through from different song more than more than what we you don’t scientifically except to be the physical limitations of putting two ancient teachings of Tantra are our bodies are microcosms of the universe you know within a sweet contain the the greater universe and so we have tremendous. Tremendous capabilities within us if we if we are if we actively to tap into this and work with the energy that we have are the energy of the universe that we have within us but for most of us if we don’t do that you know and I mean it really is I mean you’re able to reach higher higher levels of consciousness and and you know interconnectedness in and and different dimension at the same time I mean from it from the perspective of you know actually creating real change I think spirituality is that what should also be looked at it something very practical you know in terms of spiritual tips to do physical exercise to take care of yourself to take care of your body to live healthy you know to to be a happy in relationships tune to know how to rid had to know how to have healthy healthy and happy relationships a lot of the teachings that that I am learning that I transmit are based on ancient sword of principles and ancient wisdom how to how to how to live and how to live happy you know and then of course you know as you know to sort of one piece with one piece of the Baseline things are are taken care of cuz we need a strong Foundation to be able to reach them of the higher-level dimensions because if you don’t have a strong Foundation if you’re not able to actually live in the world you know I’m function in the world then there’s also not it is supposed to be coming store that’s it it’s very hard to put practice into action it’s hard to bridge the spiritual with the social you know if it’s all up in the sky yeah I think it’s like at all I mean some of that Carly Ln truth but like what I Look At You No Going Back even before civilizations emerged to be able to create text and writing systems and to be able to go to fight and reproduce culture in anything but a oral traditional way I mean cuz I said for the 99% of human history we all lived in tribal shamanic cultures where medicine men and women wood would they would keep a lineage of teaching and wisdom of thicker plants and sacred rituals and chanting and techniques to enter into ecstatic altered state and be able to see the future or be able to harness some sort of healing energy would be able to direct healing energy and agricultural portal into these other dimensional so what other types of things another current running through it and running through ecology in the earth’s ecosystems yeah it’s really nice you’d like for modern society to not have you know either the demonic and under more different ways in in City culture I’m interested in like ways that people can see there’s not and really like to disconnected from the daily you know Community either they’re sort of religious or spiritual person on your like separate from the community in it true in some cases with the people that like you know really what the reason it does not receive any of this is so that they can maintain I was thinking of the teachings in the traditions and that sort of Doorway to the portals but they’re their function is to be Distributing that that information and energy and wisdom throughout the whole culture that everybody has some you know practical means to have access to these things that are beyond our normal sense isn’t our normal day-to-day life and fill I said you as an instructor and cuz I know I experienced the workshop and I was blown away because a lot of stuff that I hadn’t courtesy erratically believe in or around her stood or heard about functional experiential physical reality for my body and my spirit in the moment this time I really love to for you to just kind of briefly outline some things are not necessarily because things out the top of your head where you could just say like at 5 tonight or whatever but you know way antenna count liquid calendar do this gesture whatever anything like that. well I think it’s very important for it has been a very important for me to have to have sort of like a daily practice that I do every morning and then I should have that I’m just a planned and doing for me you know and and and for women and for men definitely for women and dance is is one of the best way to start to open your feminine energy you know it’s it’s it it’s a great way to sort of to get the energy up I mean at the end of the day everything that that I’m doing you know is about increasing our energy is about getting like raising our energy so that we have more energy to email to do what we want to do to most of the people are listening to this are engaged and you know social transformation or activism so even physical exercise if people are in exercising physical exercise anything that is really going to hurt to get your energy up your your body even in shape this is this is important sort of a more mental maybe psychological level two to start to examine just to start to to try and stay in a state of observations you know I exist as I think it’s and might be easier said than done is it comes with practice you know but two try to someone says if you’re watching your thoughts you’re watching your emotions you’re watching what’s going on in your life to try and stay in the state where your observe bank and it allows for this sort of space or the scats of Detachment that allow that that’s allowed for Freedom you know in in store in the way that that you actually that you react in a certain situation so and you know along with this to to examine the deeper sort of roots the root the roots to various situations I think a lot of times you know we can get caught up in the story if you know this person did this or that did that happen and I felt like this and I bet you know whatever it mean to not to sort of break out of this pattern of the stories we have to really get to the routes of what the issues are in a lot of us are carrying around you know deeper a karmic issues block that would carry from childhood that are the roots of a lot of the experiences that we have in our daily lives today especially if we haven’t gone back and heal this or examined this you know this is being tired process of self-transformation it’s healing and when we talked about so do you know this new era of Consciousness that is coming with new paradigm that with that we’re entering into it’s very important that we ourselves are healing the past you know that there was that were there were breaking from the past that were within us you know asking. So that’s possible to sort of embody light and love and an end and some so we can bring in this sort of in-body the new Consciousness bring in the new Consciousness and so I mean just being active about your own healing process your own to the growth process in out so I’m very you know this is this is sort of people feel differently about these things I have a spiritual teacher you know I study with Master’s and Anaya this is for me my past and I think you know it’s it’s it’s a huge huge resource to to go out and seek teachers and see communities of people who are also on you know a spiritual journey it’s it’s because it’s it’s very you know it’s a very it’s a new way of living in a lot of ways we’re not we don’t live in a spiritual society and culture right now so so to sort of open up to a lot of maybe they were the resources that exist in your own community and I’ll and find something that resonates with you one thing I would say is that a lot of times when we talk about spirituality we think that spirituality is meditation and it’s it’s not just meditation and in fact meditation is sometimes the last stage of a very deep spiritual path because it takes a level of deep concentration to to read some of sight some of these higher States and meditation for me I mean a lot of What I Do Is Dance Dynamic meditation these practices about her I said that I said it showed which I can’t really demonstrating over the phone but you know why would you knows I would I would just emphasize I mean art is healing spiritual so so yeah I mean I would I would I would I would I would you know today is is for everybody to come out the most important thing is if you are open and you want transformation and you want changed to open to it and to trust the process and to trust that you you know we’ll find what resonates most with you but you no interest in terms of started the basics I mean it’s it it it it dies at the beginning it it boils down to living a healthy life you know taking care of yourself taking care of your body taking care of your emotional states you know so can you give a brief rundown of I need the first time I think I got really in touch with it on a experiential level not like a very open-minded I’m very one of them out there people that I actually know but for some reason I had like for a long time since elected to do the work to try to connect with the experience of that other truck assist on and it was a having a thing double jointed or not it was like what it means to me or how I can tap into it and you know it was in your Workshop believe in it but the other for the whole point of the movie of you know there’s a lot of religions that are based on beliefs but there’s a lot more don’t it’s not like oh you’re you’re lucky to have a once in a million years once once in a million lifetimes like Vision or something that’s what I like more about the sort of holistic open field of spiritual practice and development is it that are okay and that aren’t like it’s okay for a new spiritual experiences for people to write their own and then also youth borrow from traditions and try to instead of traditions in Italy like in your case if you’re able to you know find Masters that you resonate with so that you can start on a path cuz I mean you know you don’t want to be a jack of all trades and master of none and I think that’s like in California like everybody’s like fraction of a thousand different you know that’s a really modern Western sort of the highest states are the ones that put themselves to the most action you know you can find out if you it makes sense and then you show me some pretty quick way to get in touch with that I’m thinking like that Morristown luminous color settle energy field yeah it’s based on the the chakra system in the chakra system is one of the most ancient sources of knowledge of how you know the energy that exists in the universe and how we are connected to it to the energy that exists in the universe we have seven basic chakras and each of these suckers for the vibrate at a different at a different frequency and they’re all connected to to a certain energy in the universe is the root chakra muladhara chakra it’s it’s it’s between the believe the anus and the forgetting that it is basically there are genitals and this is the the chocolate that’s connected to the Earth to stability it’s the color is red it’s considered ones out it’s all so this is where a lot of our health issues facing this chakras right below the belly button this is called Succasunna chakra it’s orange the element is water it’s more of a male chocolate such a girls sexuality of passion at the at the at the belly button this is our solar plexus this is fed to pigs called money put a chocolate that check up fire it some or other personal power these passages about her at The Witcher based you know in martial arts they’re all for the focus on this chakra building confidence power this is our ability to live in the world are ability to make money the people who are ruling the world have very strong money put a chakra the above that is at the Heart Center is on a hot the chakra this is such a higher emotions of love it’s also consider more female chakra at the throat is sore should the chocolate is a chocolate creativity of our inspiration and it’s it’s more of a female chocolate let me have a vaginal check where this is at the third eye this is intuition it’s also Focus concentration the check up higher purposes and then above this we have the crown chakra which is our connection to Universal energy sew in they took the different levels of the chocolate cancer the position is is closed where they’re blocked they’re not functioning and then they’re open which means they are functioning and under emanating which means you can actually give me through through your chakras cuz they’re operating at such a high level by and large amounts of us in society today live at the like the first two chakras you know a lot of the spiritual work that’s out their focus has an opening that’s at the higher chakras but but but lacks in front of the ground it like that the lower chakras and it’s very important to to have to be operating at the lower chakras in order to be living and in the world and functioning in the world so a lot of the work that I do and you know that and also the teachings of the school Universe energy Arts it’s based on first making sure that our lower three chakras are clean their functioning and you know that we have a solid Base by which to work from for higher-level Spiritual Development and it’s always let me know we’re always liked working with all of them too so do you know to 2 to be balancing but it is right now and especially for especially for activist that especially for Spiritual people activating funny porchuck Road that’s what I’m working on a lot and I think that’s the checkered to live in the world to have power to have to make money in a lot of us think that money is bad when money is just really energy and it you know an end with it I mean an ancient civilizations with you to do math and that’s a good for people that shift in this society and culture has become so corrupt you know so to be able to sort of transform the world to really transform the culture of of money and and within a lot of us is it sits in his opening up to our own personal power own ability to attract you know situation then and then careers or you no work that that we can live on so this is everything all the practice as a visualization meditation they’re all based on on opening to these chakras having a rigorous schedule of initiations and exercises and things to do, push pushing to the limit so that you can find yourself but I might the path that I’m on is not the spiritual path of you know taking it slow it is definitely when you need to but it’s also very much about raising energy concept of increasing our energy that I were able to do more in the world that were able to be more highly effective but at the same time we’re in alignment with the highest good with ourselves in a with universal energy and the idea is to to build community you notice to build spiritual communities and it’s the school’s very well-established in Russia they have you know they have thriving communities of all throughout Russian and South America and Europe but to start to build you know this this Consciousness in a sustainable way in El Sol so in a way that it is it is in a holiday and really seeing results in your daily life and it’s you know it’s it’s work to Spiritual Development personal personal growth it’s work you know and it does take willpower and and should have disciplined action to do it that doesn’t mean like I don’t want to give the conception that you don’t have personal power and it because it’s all driven by yourself by your own sort of willpower you know that you you you get what you want what you are what you want to put into it and it’s always a self-driven process and it’s not based on Doctrine or Siri it’s always sort of operating in the Universal thanks you know so it’s always changing and Dynamics with sometimes drives me crazy when we have when we organize something like two days before you know two weeks before something but it’s it’s it’s a beautiful process yeah it does look like the Exxon Valdez oil spill and just like thinking of that the spiritual oil spill in the last several thousand years of patriarchy and it ain’t no expansion of Empires and weapons technology horrible things that had spilled site toxic horrible toxic violin the karmic ocean of our Collective human existence on this planet and night you know it’s easy I think for people to seems easy for people to just continue to live their life in the latter in the rat race and Yelp bear the saloon and just kind of keep moving along and it never that never really knowing what what it was like before you know what we’re an island called a dominator culture before that emerged you know if he has no perception of it out of sight out of mind and it just becomes and there’s a whole story of how we really being not to be a part of a harmonious and peaceful. Is it called you know reconciling this destructive negativity Southwest 2000 years ago extreme destruction and Corruption it just seems like I believe in the idea of progress linear progress so that while we started out as primitive Savages and we’re only you know we’ve gone through some dark times but we’re only getting better but become more alienated for myself and for my community through more devices and more interfaces that are totally artificial and antithetical I mean I think I definitely do know the internet spiritual communities to find each other in Tukwila link for the inlet in a competition the Ecology of competing ideas like we have we now if if if we can sell something better to people so then the system sell a product to their material appetite then we can really think do this massive cleanup jobs of Karma and do this massive play crafted like you said like a lot of the reason that we need to be Warriors in the you know I’m going to put the ice I’ve heard that word in the end I’m I’m putting I’m saying it in a conversation out idea of becoming more using spiritual power and power a lawyer for the past to be able to do this work of cleaning ourselves and cleaning the planet and cleaning our values that really like you know materialistic values it’s really important that we we do like Master the stuff and and and really apply the time to ability spiritual communities in spiritual culture so that we can opportunity to what do you think about starting to wake up. I think it’s the cool thing about to come out of the coma of consumerism of the responsibility to participate in not just stopping things that actually healing things and doing that like literally on all levels to know what do I think about that process yeah I mean just the idea we haven’t talked to you much about like that Karma and the ice that idea of it but you know the spiritual this Collective karmic not or like why should people get spiritual just so they can you know cuz a lot of people are selling that angle you know but have a better more fulfilling personal life vs. the people start the grass that scented like yeah I am I need to take responsibility for like the last several shutting down either so you know if it’s such a cutie ask and but the more Synergy we create together on these in a spiritual community I have a rapid impact female quickly I mean I I think we’re approaching a time where we are changing as a resolving as you know a race or as a species where it will require healing our past or passed our individual paths and also of you know of of the of the world today I mean that’s the thing is once you want want it does go down the path has appealing and and transforming and does go down the path of having healthy relationships and more success and you know an dentist in her happiness it’s a natural process that you want to give that that you want to do you want to have other people live in this and it’s it’s kind of death it’s almost like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and self-actualization you want to start getting back it’s just a natural process the reason that we don’t have that right now you know the reason you can see this clearly in like it with all of the stuff that came out about George Bush’s daddy complex when was carrying so much baggage so much you know pain within ourselves then this manifests in what we protect in a world so and this is also why a lot of people don’t want to open up to it you know don’t want to go down the path so so really too I mean it’s completely it’s very connected to enter into this new era to enter into a new era of Peace of love will require that we are healing our past to embody in for the greatest level of peace and love within ourselves so that we are creating we want to see an end when we were us when we’re talking about stealing I mean this does going to take it we we heal our family, we go back in two generations and he’ll you know and break out of the cycle that is that has been carried over from our parents from our grandparents and really start to break even come into a new way of existence you know this is the sort of deep healing that happens by Ice it’s kind of like I asked you feel it do you feel the changes that are happening to feel the shift in Consciousness with new energies coming cuz a lot of people feel it a lot of women feel the rise of the visit of the divine feminine it’s it’s something just that should resonating with people because it’s how the Earth and the energy of the earth is Shifting because who knows male energy has become is it and it’s not specific to manage mail energy within men and women has has reached its point that they can’t go any further and so naturally to rebalance we have you know the feminine energy that is coming back and we feel the Swiss ourselves cuz we’re connected to the universe you know and then we’re a part of bringing this back to the universe so so it’s so sudden I disable just become harder and harder and you’ll see it when people don’t commit to their own personal healing and fur it’s going to become harder and harder to exist in this world because because the world is changing because the energy of the earth is changing the energy of the universe is changing it’s getting it’s it’s it’s it’s getting it’s increasing basically which is why I threw you know the spiritual practice we’re increasing our energy to be able to be in alignment with this and is and is part of that it requires it requires you know examining and healing our karmic blocks and and everything that we carry from childhood and NBN before so sore families the beginning think you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show indigenous sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. 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