Demystifying the Mechanisms of Shamanic Healing with Christina Pratt TPP125


Christina Pratt picIn this episode I’m joined by my most revered shamanic practitioner Christina Pratt. I’ve diligently studied her podcast archive and found her to be without a doubt the foremost scholar of all things shamanic. I was delighted to have the opportunity to explore her personal background in more detail, to learn about the mechanisms of shamanic healing, and to take a sobering look at the epidemic of soul loss, its dire consequences, yet potentially simple solutions.

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Thirty years ago with, a full cosmology of spirit help, Christina, brought forward The Cycle of Transformation, an extremely challenging, four-year training in the shamanic skills needed to create the New World in our time. She is the founder and primary shamanic healer at Last Mask Center ( in Portland, Oregon and the author of the two-volume set, An Encyclopedia of Shamanism.  Christina’s international, live-Internet radio show, Why Shamanism Now, offers over 350 hours of free podcasts on the practical application of shamanism in the archives at (

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to Township hunt podcast episode number 125 I’m joined by Christina Pratt the host of the why Shamanism Now podcast founder of the last mask Center and author of the Encyclopedia of shamanism and I just have to say I have listened Christina to pretty much all of your podcast and binge listened while I was doing lots of permaculture landscape projects and really was able to deeply digest so much of what you have offered and I feel like to give you some praise I want to see I really feel like you have Consolidated and synthesized and really been able to package some of the most advanced understandings and and wisdom’s interested vast array of epistemology is that you’ve been able to kind of Chiropractic in a way to offer to the modern mind especially the Westin neurotic modded mine it’s just Priceless and I just thank you so much for having done that work and I’m obviously just scratching the surface this is the tip of the iceberg the podcast cuz what you also had offers multiple types of training programs and you’ve written literally written the book on chamonix Encyclopedia of time is in which I’ve yet to to read and I I look forward to having the time to but a few more words of Praise I’ll say is that I when I was going to every episode and taking screenshots of my phone to capture the moments where I would need to be taking notes if I was of course I’ve got tons of screenshots from the Highlight moments and I’ve got to I was selecting with episodes that I thought would be a good Core Curriculum to offer to other people to say hey this is episodes you should start with if you don’t have the endurance that I do and it was like a hundred episodes has the requisite rear exit and so I’m going to have to whittle those down and eventually but that’s just a more more praise and I gotta stay it’s really been so helpful and so that’s all to say I’m really extremely grateful to be in this moment where where I’m going to be able to explore some of the advanced material that you have to offer and give you the space to to speak freely about your your personal journey and I also all the last thing I want to say is that you have been so gracious after I fumbled the first scheduled episode that we had a week ago I was in this Twilight Zone of a situation that resulted in me waking up an hour and a half after we are scheduled time so I just want to fall on the sword and apologize for that again so thank you again for your graciousness and with all that same Christina please if you would give us one of your beautiful. Introductions your space holding in container building intros that are classic on your podcast if you would think I know I’m honored to be here I think it’s just important for us to teach and so it’s not a problem at all that we’re having a around to all right so let’s just take a moment and shift here and and asked that we might receive assistance here today in these proceedings and let’s extend our awareness out to the East and we call the East End that our hearts might be clear here and open us to visions of pain spell Futures that we might share in a better way with all living things than humanity is at this moment and may we awake and that possibility that lives in each of our hearts to see this possible future and to want to care in our hearts to live it and I’ll let’s turn a quarter turn to the South and we call out to the energy of the South that our hearts are full full full hearts that we can access the power of love in our hearts and bring that to bear in our every deliberation and throughout our day and as we go into our dreaming at night may we be strong in our hearts and understand that it is the human heart that makes us so special here in our place in this great Web of Life another breath let’s take a quarter turn to the west and we call out to the energy of the West to be with us here today and to waken in us an open heart that we might be open to the wisdom that is all around us not just from each other and those for a different than we are but those were here in other forms the plants and animals to the mountains to the rivers to all that is here in this great Web of Life May our hearts open to that wisdom I remember that time back so far in the past when we could all still talk to each other and finally let’s take a quarter turn to the north, call out to this energy to be with us here today and it helped us to have a strong heart and that’s through our strong Hearts way we access our power to do good work in the world to be better humans and to Manifest this possible vision of a new world where people understand their good relationship with all living things and as his container into a complete circle around us and we call out to the helping spirits to come in let us reach up to the highest power reaching all the way up and however we conceived of this energy would we simply see it as the Sun or the beautiful full moon or the stars above Matey’s radiant Divine energies from above shine down on us and maybe receive this energy receiving the essence energy of blessing and to ourselves and into our day the energy of protection inspiration illumination and the generosity and devotion that is necessary for us to do good work here in the world to make all these energies into Inspire us and open us to the benevolence of this universe and as we draw that energy into her head from her head to her heart or heart to our belly let us take a moment and reach down to the Earth and to give thanks for this day to give thanks for our life give thanks for the Wonder of the dreaming of this beautiful planet that brings Life as we understand it to the face of our Earth may give gratitude to all that has been that has brought us to this moment for all that is and all that will be Amazon normous tanks and are heartless reach down through all the layers of the earth to the very center of the earth to connect to that energy that nourishes all that energy that is before all the abundance on the diversity that we share here on the surface of the Earth that is reach into that deep energy that draws its strength from Darkness come Stillness and silence and as we called energy from above down let us draw this Earth Energy up throwing it all the way up through all the layers of the earth bringing in that which replenishes restores and renew into our own bodies up into our heart and our mind and sending this energy all the way up to the highest power so that Earth and Sky these two great Legendary Lovers can connect connect to each other and connect through us as humans and made us big love these two great ones share awaken the spirit of our own heart and may our heart be open and clear it be strong and may it be. We can bring the love to bear in our lives and for all the spirit help that we have to do this to live in this way in the world to give great thanks thank you so much Goosebumps I appreciate you have finally being in this moment I just can’t wait to have you open up and share your personal story how you evolve is being to get to this level of astounding offering so where do you want to begin then when did you first start start to have most saying I like the word. Genius turn window into school system D Geniuses us and we lose the enchantment with nature lot of us some do you feel like you had a deeper connection to the spirit world to you in a friend imaginary friends or voices her otherworldly beings just Sega start from your earliest enchantment with the Beyond this realm I’m not sure you know people who do Shamanism these days always talk about having a benesch almond since I was a child and I and I think I was just a kid I had a huge imaginary life but I see that the most children that are having a decent childhood and I had a decent childhood you know I mean my my parents weren’t perfect we had what I consider garden-variety dysfunction in our family but that also means there was a lot of love and support I grew up in a beautiful place on the world my own little neighborhood had to park in the center of it and a river wrapping around two sides so you know we could we could do sanctioned play out in nature in the park or we could sneak off to the river where we weren’t supposed to be his kids and you know play in the in the river and you know I we camped as a family I mean I just I grew up in Oregon I mean it’s a gorgeous place on the face of this globe and I got no complaints and so I don’t I don’t know that as a kid I thought I was in a more weird than any other kid in Oregon as well as a Oregon and Washington so I feel like I can relate to the Enchantment of just being in that in that part of the world so then as you grew up and what were some of the first highlights of just discovering and seeking to understand more than what meets the eye and more than what is sort of spoon-fed from the the Western pear Diamond if you have to actually have been allowed to be a kid you know it’s not like today where everyone’s got play dates and your parents are in the right as you’re going to get kidnapped and you know all this other crazy stuff I mean we basically went out in the morning we weren’t school near and wild all day came in for dinner you know I mean I really got to be a kid and I appreciate that so you know this the other Singh though as beautiful as this place was that I grew up it was also an extremely small town was very close-minded town in general my parents are part of a an educated sort of group of Professionals in that town but otherwise it was sits pretty pretty scary place in terms of its politics and I mean that she tried to burn the books in the library when I was a kid in grade school I mean it’s just unbelievable to me anyway and so there was one black family and one Jewish Family and otherwise as wide as it could be and extremely sexist and so honestly in the beginning throughout my whole grade school I saw success academically and dust in the system as my ticket out of town and then I wasn’t going to do anything to mess that up cuz all I wanted was to get out of that town and the repression of the sexus mindset in that town as beautiful as it was you know still by the time I had been in junior high and high school and was pretty high achieving in school I got tired of being told you know you can’t do that because you’re a girl and I was so angry by the time I left and went away to college you know I went as far away as I could go to college from that town is still speak English and I didn’t really like the system because I really saw that as my ticket out and I and I freely admit that and it worked you know I got out and went to college and went to the other side of the United States and and proceeded in my you know how late late teens and early twenties to dive deeper and deeper deeper into the depression that had been growing since I was about 12:11 or 12 and I kept this completely secret I didn’t let anybody know I didn’t speak with my family about it and speak with counselors at school because me and really if you want to stay so where was the getting of shamanism honestly for me it was right there and the fear that underneath all of this capacity to succeed very well in the system I was actually crazy and then tell anyone was my big dark secret and in college just I made various choices probably didn’t actually have a very good adviser and cost us extremely stressed with my class load and my pre-med status and all these things that I was doing at that time and was really driving myself pretty pretty deeply into depression and in many ways now I mean many 40 years later right now I look back at that and I see the the pain that so many of us feel that is unnamed and unspoken and misdiagnosed constantly that is the pain of a a child wanting their initiation into adulthood and knowing there’s no one around who’s even an adult much less capable of opening that threshold and I think for me the fact that the world as it was was breaking my heart everyday was really the root of my depression not that I could not that I would have anywhere near articulating it in that way at that time at that time I fit into probably would talk about it as anybody else who is 18 19 20 in that time and felt stressed about school it’s not the other thing but I didn’t talk about it with anybody I mean that’s kind of the point and thank goodness I didn’t and that this was all happening before this age of pharmaceuticals for depression because my path would have been very different and I would have been diverted frankly from my path I believe and I might still be struggling to find my way out had I been you know off on that pharmaceutical past because I actually personally believe that it is our pain and what breaks our heart that is guiding us towards our purpose whatever that purpose might be and so to be afraid that pain is going to kill you and I’ve hurt yourself from that pain is not the path why you’re here that pain will not kill you other things might but pain will not and trusting that that pain is your deep inner soles message to you to get back in alignment with what you’re really here to do to me is like if my if my own life story could teach us anything in this time that we’ve gone beyond not wanting to be in discomfort now everybody’s creating their own preference song like in my day you listen to the radio right which meant you got to listen to three songs you didn’t like to hear the one song you did and about you know you just dealt with it you know today everyone’s got the wrong person all crafted soundtrack you don’t ever have to hear anything that doesn’t make you feel good and that is teaching us that to be afraid of pain and discomfort and honestly I don’t have this like happy to I was always talking to the bunnies in the fairies and everybody always knew I was so special I was going to be a shaman that is as it should be and children aren’t initiated into adulthood and it is a great pain and suffering it is the root of so much of our young mental On Wellness which is it mental illness it’s actually a a sane response to an insane broken system and I didn’t understand any of it at that time but I but when I look back now I just throw thanks goodness thank all that is around for the timing that I did not tell anyone and I did not get medicated and I was able to figure it out now granted we have to go back to the one piece that is different from people that have serious trauma particularly from their own parents is I didn’t you know I had to parents for all of their dysfunction that love me and I knew it so and that’s important you know when I do not understand that that is the context of my story is the world was breaking my heart but you know my parents didn’t and so I had that juxtaposition that tensions within me but if your parents break your heart and the system breaks your heart and the world around you breaks your heart that’s a really heavy burden and that’s I think what we’re talking about when we talk about people dealing with that level of of trauma not that it can’t still be rise out of it but I just want to be honest about that you know that I don’t I don’t have that picture place within my heart I still have to deal with the world every day but at least I knew that if I really really broke in half with a burden of the world that my parents would be there to pick me up they might not be able to fix anything send been able to fix anything yet right but they would scrape me off the pavement and you know give me a place to have a hot bath and feed me so not everybody has that not everybody has that knowing if that’s a space so anyway so so what happened then is I the first place there’s a couple now in reflection as I reflect as I get older and older my life is a couple other places that I would say Spirit really came into my life and diverted me from really stupid decisions but the first place that I would you know how openly said before is I got accepted to medical school in my early twenties and I was physically unable to say yes thank you and it’s medical school right you got to say yes and accept your position or they’re going to give it to 10 over other candidates and I couldn’t I was literally like my throat would seize up like someone was strangling me on the phone and this happened to into separate phone calls 12 hours apart trying to accept this position to medical school and so I said in a fit of frustration I said since I don’t seem to be able to say yes I would like to defer for a year and then she hung up she said thank you very much and hung up on me so I couldn’t even talk through that at all now after I didn’t go to medical school I never looked back I never even considered that it had been deferred because my package changed at that moment but that is a place where there was you know it’s like the spirit world can’t get through to me yet I’m not I’m not really paying attention in any kind of systematic way this making any sense to anybody in the spirit world is going holy crap we have got to divert her or back on track just grabbed her strangled her yeah tough love from your spirit helpers day it was the first I was very hard-headed very directed child that went from wanting to be a ballerina to wanting to be a surgeon so I mean that says a lot about being you know pretty much type quadruple a four at that time but I was also depressed user-friendly that was really working for me and anyway to make a very long story short so what happened in not going to medical schools and I have a year in limbo I’m not knowing what I was doing and I never had that since childhood you know so it threw me back in place of what was have been really good about my childhood which gave me kind of the buffer that I needed to start looking at what really hadn’t been good about my childhood and that’s when I crossed paths with a woman named Phyllis pay and a began to learn the practices that are the the heart and soul of the clearing practices that I teach as part of the shamanic teachings that I teach now which I feel is is the primary distinction between my work shamanic Lee and other contemporary practitioners is this this long history with the importance for us as contemporary people of taking responsibility for our life no matter what that life story has been and the skills to do that and this is where the sky like the great equalizer skill anybody can do what you need no shamanic skills you need no particular ability to do anything other than the desire to climb out of whatever that story is is that you’ve been cast in and stuck in in your life and begin to clear deep in yourself or you hold onto those beliefs that support that story and change and choose be able to truly choose your own life and so my capacity to come into Shamanism later began with my ability to learn to clear my own relationship with my unresolved dysfunction unresolved addiction my unresolved codependent Behavior you know all these things that come out of our family of origin to sexism I experience you know all of it all the stuff we’re aware of now but the point is I refuse to let that continue to strip my life and what Phyllis gave me was one single skill that I could use for the rest of my life to choose to unwind that in my own head and take take responsibility for it and begin to choose what beliefs do I want to have shaking my life and to let go of these past traumas past whatever and so that was for me but you and this happened to almost 10 years before its Shamanism happened and so by the time I was introduced to shamanic things I had been in 08 years into this clearing process daily the daily daily process the way I learned it as I learned it as personal practice I teach it as a paired practice that that can be personal or Collective but for me that made all the difference in the world because I started to be able to actually get at the underpinnings of my own depression and walk my way out of it and by the time I ever had a soul retrieval is part of my my training later on as a shamanic practitioner the the integration on the issues around that had already been addressed to the clearing process by the ton diesel Parts came back it was kind of like just a missing link for everything to then going to shift into 5th gear and go so I think I would have the second place where I know I would have had a very different version of my life path had I not been introduced us to listen this clearing process which I still teach and I am now evolving into being able to teach it as a as a larger online offering precisely because a couple years ago someone asked me a student asked me to what would you teach if you could only teach one thing and they are expecting some precise shamanic magical you know Magic Bullet and I said clearing if I could only do one thing for the rest of my life to sing that would make the biggest impact on Humanity’s ability to move into the new world would be flaring you sweet and so anyway so for me that was fortuitous I don’t claim any inside or shamanic wisdom in making that happen I basically got coerced into doing it but I mean honestly my massage therapist blackmailed me it said do not get up on the table I will not massage you again until you choose a meditative practice and it was one of five things and I just picked that one so I can get my massage that day but then I had to follow through or else I wouldn’t get my Visage next week so I’m not claiming any wisdom here at all just putting the pieces together but again I think when we don’t give Spirit the means by which to communicate with us directly that is spiritual use other avenues and they I know he people in my life are being used big time because I wasn’t paying attention I was 20 all I cared about was was going to have sex with next you know why I was not paying attention on any higher level other than the fact I didn’t want to be in pain and I didn’t want to repeat the same disaster in my last emotional relationship intimate relationship in the next one and I can pretty much see that was a pattern and it wasn’t getting any better and I just wanted you know better relationships less pain and more sex more great sex and I mean I was 28 but you know what else are you focused on in your twenties I don’t know peace in my head there was an episode where you said no I was in my twenties or if you were talking about someone is like in your twenties you’re interested in having sex frankly and there’s nothing wrong with it so so anyway so let’s see so so that goes on for many years like I said I was doing good flirting practice for a lot of years and that in that time I because of the help of many wonderful teachers that I mean there was a point in time in my life I literally had for teachers that were sort of unidentified teachers in my life I mean that’s how stupid I was and how hard headed and how not getting it I was and that’s how we are when we’re not initiated into adulthood and so this idea that I let you know I got experience with some of my younger students you know 20-something students now who are like well I just I have been clearing for a year why can’t I be a shaman yet it’s like a year all I had for teachers and the practice what they taught me for 8 years before I even began to move into Shamanism and that we just don’t have any respect for the phases of transformation and the depth of Mastery necessary to really show up when you think about it why would people think about that anymore you can go after your first two yoga classes you can go sign up for yoga certification to become a yoga teacher has no respect you know we all you have to do is pay your money and your a Reiki master but no respect for these past Master anymore and this again would be another message for people to really think about your Soul’s purpose which is the Cornerstone of your well-being is some kind of path of Mastery for you it’s not a job title and it’s it’s not something that you’re going to get to retire from it’s about the cultivation of your soul in this life and yeah it takes time to learn skills you’re going to have to show up you’re not going to be able to do it all online right now so let’s see socialism comes into the picture again because I have another horribly painful awful situation happen and I have at that point in time left all I did I did make a conscious break from being the person I had been trained to be so I left my capacity to make good money my kind of white privilege a lot of that stuff behind to the degree anyone ever can leave their white privilege behind but I stepped away from the world I’ve been educated into left everything behind move back to the east coast again to dance again as a modern dancer at 27 so for those of you that know anything about dancing that means I’m already too old to be doing that it wasn’t this again not the smartest thing to do but it did put me on a collision course by choosing the last thing I had remembered really feeling passion doing a really being connected to myself doing the last thing I remembered feeling that way was dancing when I was a child so I sacrificed everything to commit to that again and along the way I’d also figured out that I had to be dancing I would end up being depressed again so there was a certain piece of that in the story as well as a pretty big unwieldy story it really wasn’t like who I met my teacher my shamanic teacher and they said I’ve been waiting for you my whole life I dress her and hear let me start training you I mean I don’t have that story and I actually envy people that do you know my family traveled to Africa and the shaman came out of the village and said I’ve dreamt of you my whole life’s little skinny white boy and you know, and be initiated I’ve never had that I wish you know it was going to make things more clear I did everything the hard way just like trying to figure it all out anyway so I’ve gone back to New York I’m struggling as a modern dancer in New York which mostly means not dancing and working for $9 an hour at something in Manhattan and living this completely blessed life and Manhattan I have again no complaints scary as hell a lot of money but a lot of blessing a really really blessed in so many ways and then my life just kind of had a collision course crash with Shamanism when I had the ones for the sustaining relationship in my life is like my one best friend that was really kind of helping me hold it together in this crazy New York thing dumped me and and in that crisis I ask for help I was working with runes at the time for divination and from that I got a dance job that I wanted and then I lost it like my dream dance job and then I lost it and I crashed into a huge depression darker than it had ever yet been in all the cycling through it since I’ve been 12 so now I’ve been cycling through depression for 20 years and that I had a break with reality in that in that particular depression that lasted sustained for 3 Days 3 nights and in that. Of time my initiatory helping Spirit was was with me in my in my break with ordinary reality I was moving through my days in this ongoing conversation with this spirit and pretty sure this was not sealing the deal on my lifetime fear that I was actually crazy and there’s nothing like a break with reality to say yeah there you go proven it to you you are crazy in a bad way and I’m so that’s what my initiation really really rotated around is what what kind of crazy meaning those are pretty much the things that shamanic initiation revolves around as either death or crazy and I think for me in this particular life I was more afraid of being crazy than being dipped show. Experience resolves itself not in any kind of heroic way I basically made it through that industry experience pretty much with a good enough answer for that Spirits you close enough to not drag me over into an unhelpful crazy that I probably would have been stuck in for a know how long ever probably and let me come back she know she let me go basically and it completely changed my life I didn’t know what had happened don’t have any context for it but I knew that I was fundamentally changed in a way that I didn’t would never just go back it wasn’t I mean I’ve had many transformational experiences but pretty much all of them you can back out up there was no going back from this life was amazing that point just I could really see just the fabric of things coming together was so clear at that time I end sometimes I long for the clarity that I had in the months that followed that experience and in that time not knowing what had happened but I didn’t understand this would probably be the single most important thing that would ever happen to me in my whole life and that I needed to just pay attention cuz I didn’t really know what else to do and now many teachers at that time in New York other than New York itself and very quickly and very quick succession while that industry experience was still sort of having it was a bit like an earthquake where earthquakes have aftershocks I would have in the months that followed I would have aftershocks where I really lose my grip with reality and then kind of come back from a place of Oneness with everything in a really kind of high spiritual place I just suddenly be in it and then be back out of it again and it was so it was it was not a very stable time I would say but but but is very ecstatic very positive and when I was tracking I was really putting One Foot In Front Of Another to get my life back in alignment cuz I really feel that happening and and sign away the property rights and all that stuff is is going to be replaced by this micropayment ecosystems where people can support each other for you no value in the content that they consume and Envy in really well well supported in and I think it’s going to do the asking to do a lot that’s amazing all them you know dozens of jobs disappearing as robots take over and Singularity and all the stuff and at some point in my life I was really concerned about this you know yet where are the millions of drivers truck drivers going to go when we have also if driving cars do you know all the stuff but the answer is blanching all these people will be doing things in blockchain I will be getting paid well for it and it’ll take less time and I mean from the Tim Ferriss 4-Hour Work Week on and everything. Having high developments off technology and be more efficient with our time does not mean that we if it’s not does not need to be scary now there’s a lot of stuff within fast Evolution that is that is concerning to me specially how fast were developing and growing and how our security initiatives are not all the party yet and I think we’re getting there so there’s a lot of concern of course but anyting however I don’t think that we all really grasp or we’re starting to now how how much we really don’t have to work 90 hours a week or whatever the ridiculous things we do you know that the whole point of this is that micro payments and micro contributions from everybody involved will free up more time for us to to be humans to exist to just let me know this is such an interesting new development in the sort of thing that’s had that imprint of a techno dystopia since childhood from all the Sci-Fi and I watch the beach and then you know you imagine this world where humans are made obsolete by robotic technology and Ai and and I’ve been pretty you know demoralized by that those prospects especially now is drone coming to the picture and now I really feel like it as of this moment this kind of is really the undeniable presence in the now of both of those dystopic seems coming coming nauseous it come to life but it coming into existence put them as you’re saying which is actually still Redemptive for Sheet the human soul is that like she was an example something might you might have some thoughts on as a form of empowerment but it’s like that the sort of this myth of the scarcity of worthwhile productive labor that can be done from picking up trash to planting trees to cleaning up toxic waste like through the blockchain micropayments and sort of micro temporary employment contracts that can really enfranchise all the homeless people to get a micro crypto payment without actually showing up and waiting in line to get in the welfare program or get into a you know some sort of job placement program you can just be like you know you show up on their stomachs feel like a Whitney to some kind of cleanup has to happen and people can just mop it and and have day labor crypto payments and there will really never be a gap between meaningful work and and fair pay and there’s plenty of wealth in the crypto world alone to finance stuff like that and even if you know whether it’s through a nonprofit system or through tax system I mean I’m not going to endorse taxes in general but but you kind of know what I’m saying so how do you feel about that you feel like that’s the direction we’re going to go absolutely hundred percent and there are so many projects that are mind-blowing for example the green miners are looking into mining basically with all green energy from turning trash into clean energy so that things like Bitcoin mining don’t have to take resources as we know them now and that there are so many projects in the space for cleaning up the oceans and cleaning up the air and I’m bringing food to the right places and replanting trees and replenishing the soil I mean there if you think of any good initiatives going on in the world for every single one of them there is at least one crypto person who is trying to intercept and connect and there are some barriers you know like the the extreme hippies and I don’t mean that in any negative or positive connotation specifically just outside another word to use like the core standards and the cryptic Crypt of hippies and all these people like hippies like me back in the day when I when I was in Turkish hippie confused and all of this navigating technology I’m really scared of it I never imagined in my life that I would be here talking about technology I like at the same time I see like you said you know how directly this has impacted my life I live a better life I can eat better food because I have my bills taken care of more often because I am connecting projects that feed my soul in that feed my pocket and and it’s just it’s just Technologies not going anywhere so yes hearing drums zooming around in the air concerns me especially there’s no privacy lost about this and I’m sure I am in plenty of videos just public random videos of people have of course all that is concerning to me but at the same time if I can get drones to massively plant trees and water them creating on cleaning water and stainable way and replacing the Salt Lake of course I want that also so it’s a fine balance you knowing yeah there’s just there’s just so many opportunities and I’m very hopeful first person you know Technologies not going anywhere in the craziest disasters are going on in the world are very real and I’m very aware of my privilege and I’m honored for just being able to be a voice and a part of this movement in any way but if you are truly concerned if you’re a person sitting there and you are really really against technology my best advice to you is to get involved you know what I mean so get involved and make sure that our our moral compasses are still true and that our time is being used efficiently because well I think it’s drizzling experiencing abundance is a really healing thing for our communities that happen monkey trains into scar City and fear so I think that having lavish parties and exotic places when they are led by the right Compass when we’re doing no trash Left Behind when we’re also feeding the end in helping those communities those are beautiful experiences I think also is very easy to fall into the you know greedy egotistical side of things and so we can be people on the sidelines criticizing this movement or we can just Dive Dive Right In and whichever way feels comfortable to you and try to help from within you know absolutely yeah amazing so do you want to talk can you talk a bit about you know obviously not to be tokenizing but I was really thrilled to know that Amanda B Johnson is the spokes person for Dash and they have a sort of a in the dash consensus system they’re they’re holding their whole their whole technological platform on the basis of it there’s money allocated in there sitting there a crypto economic ecosystems to support people in in roles as delegates and Advocates and Educators and I’m I’m wondering if you have some thoughts on connecting with or have you connected with women in crypto and just having more solidarity and more initiatives that are women lead and women find it and having the the voice and the the wisdom of Sisterhood in the crypto space which is is seriously it’s I don’t know I wouldn’t say this that I understand to be hyper sexist or it’s just a typically gender imbalance in technology for various reasons of course and but this is one of the most inviting and open-minded for thinking space is so I’m just curious if you have thoughts understand that aspect I do and I just want to throw in really quickly that Dash is doing some incredible incredible things to use this new currency in the everyday lives of people and changing a lot I mean I spoke with Danny the other day from the Crypt of showing radio station and just some of the projects he shared with me that they’re doing going to orphanage orphanage is camping outside open and to defend that old homes and rebuilding after after earthquakes all of these weren’t the weather doing in Mexico and helping people from the US and for Mexico to send each other Dash instead of Fiat you know making it super useful super accessible for them and actually turning crypto into into resources are they need whether it’s a new fan for their ceiling or food or whatever and so they are doing a lot of work right on the ground and putting you know when ATMs in crypto ATM there just it is amazing to see this dystopian Society for good and bad is already here as completely I mean crypto is already being used in so many daily activities all the time so much more that we know and I know that documentaries are being created and they will be available to all of us soon and every time more but there is so much more happening than we even inside are aware of you know every time I talk with anybody is it blows my mind all the projects are going on in and that this is the Hood part of it is another one and there are all these telegram groups going around some of them are called crypto women badass women in blockchain you know he’s different name there’s this group on Facebook called crypto queens and I have found some amazing amazing humans are working with the UN and women investing in women and funding each other’s projects and the Miami Conference the North America Miami Conference Bitcoin conference I had this one person run up to me this woman and she said hi sister if you’re a woman here I pretty much want to connect with you and she added me to his telegram group and I stole that from her in the best possible way so every time I’m at any blockchain event I run up to the women and I said Hey sister if you’re a woman in the space I want to connect with you and it’s just so beautiful and so maybe 5 or 10 different groups that are all women in blockchain and art projects in blockchain it is it is really unbelievable I’m actually really excited for the South by Southwest there is a bunch of the crypto Queens are coming down we’ve been talking about doing a documentary about women in crypto and I just hope that I get to interview them 10 minutes with each van and super supportive so it’s been quite interesting and of course there is still competition with in here and there but for the most part I find that women are really supportive of each other I also have been working with swarm City and the storm funds quite a bit I meant Joel from Joel Dietz from swarm and we talked about a bunch our projects and all the stuff happening and you express a lot of interest in supporting both blockchain art projects and women equality so I know swarm is now sitting around the survey to try to make sure that there are as many women as men users and their platform that’s really exciting and also so many surveys about how they want the tokens to be used and so on are hungry to include the community that’s what’s Tim Meadows all about right and that’s what these events are all about so I think I think we’re doing pretty good so far and I see how much more collaboration is going to is going to start happening you know just from from these telegram groups and how excited everybody is and and also how cool is that that we have telegram instead all our messages so that the government can hover information are private conversations it’s just it’s amazing we weave I feel sad about the fact that Facebook and all these social media platform orny or Cuban connection you know I honestly have so many thoughts where I say I don’t care if Facebook knows all my information or if they own all my media I just want to be able to share photos of my friends in Argentina and this is the easiest form so how sad is it that we were okay with all of our privacy and information being exploited and people making money off of us just because we’re so starved for human connection so I’m really excited to be able to do the same things we’ve been doing and use the good parts of Technology like social media in a way that it also filled up our pockets and our Spirits you know that is music to my ears thank you so much I’m so glad that I I mean I just just the fact that your video came up right after cryptos news and we’re in this moment have his conversation this is all such beautiful music to my ears and yeah it’s been I mean in my field in the world of Tantra sacred sexuality sexual healing in just the I think the most important thing in my studies in my experience for healing a planet and really saving the Earth is really being instrumental and being conducive to two women Sisterhood and a healthy positive empowering way and actually creating more financial Independence so that women as mothers can have more freedom and power and actual means to make more independent decisions with their bodies with their with their you know how they how much even breastfeeding I mean the most people don’t know that it’s pretty much understood that about 5 years is a typical pre-industrial young length of time to be breastfeeding infants on demand and imagine the kind of infrastructure changes that have to happen for that to be possible in the modern world but if anything’s going to make it happen it’s going to be the fruit of the work that people like you were doing and that’s as you know might just sort of Public Service Announcement about you know a sort of futuristic crypto feminism you know that I said that I want to contribute to I want to see happen is this more and more working together and in collaboration So yeah thank you for helping with that and Centric energy and learning some teachings of something that it’s pretty recent to me maybe two years and there’s so much to learn and I found so much healing and in all of these intersections of psychedelics meditation 10 trick work and crypto and it’s it’s so bizarre and no way to talk about technology and evolution and money in the same line that we talked about psychedelics and in self-healing love and all of this to no life force of energy but it is all the same thing it’s it’s just growing us a more compassionate and accepting loving human race you know that’s what it’s all about and at the same time that I’m really excited about all of these blockchain as a vehicle for 4 change I am really concerned about Wi-Fi and radiation and you know of course all of these a chemtrail crazy stuff that we put ourselves through so I’m putting out the intention into calling for more people to get involved in to figure it out other ways to connect the other internet in a way that it’s not so destructive for us and so there’s not some natural solutions and then there’s simple things we can do like turning off wi-fi at night when you go to sleep and self-education on this on this topic but I would love to hear more like I said Solutions and privacy are are something that we are now noticing that we need to work on more at the same time that we develop all these amazing systems right we need to wear we’re kind of like it’s floating and all this magical ways and now we need to start creating the containers that will keep us a lines into our missions as well yeah absolutely absolutely awesome well yeah I’m getting about 2 or if you’ll just totally mind blown and totally satiated by learning all this stuff all this great stuff that you’re doing do you feel free now to take some time to promote your efforts and talk about we have coming up in the future will people can be looking out for and and yeah we’ll we’ll call it a good introduction to hopefully we can also keep in touch on going up next and that is the exist that it’s a beautiful project where we are just connecting more and more people doing similar events and hoping that we can continue to collaborate so if anybody’s interested in anything that we’re doing please reach out there’s room for you to be fully creative in your own way and like I said it’s not about competition the abundance is there and in so many ways so that is South by Southwest Austin and then we have token Fest in San Francisco I will be there as well and then we have an art party in the bay somewhere so all this information will be on social media that is at my new brakes on Twitter or breaks on Instagram and I wanted to mention. So I most recently connected with gel polish and he’s doing art for addicts and he has a lot of projects going on in that world so I’m really excited to get more involved in healing the process of healing ourselves through ART and handling addiction because I believe technology is also an addiction right so being able to create those containers again and also few initiatives for the cleaning up the oceans and ocean token and just so many good projects coming up so anyway that I can that I can help or help you connect with those who will get you to where you want to be the green miners we clean energy any of that please reach out to me I would love to help out cool thank you again so much now Newburgh city has been such a pleasure and yet again thank you for just allowing me to be impulsive and send a message out to you and get you on the show and to know also that your ear integrating some the tantric wisdom in and works into your life it’s so exciting and I agree this is all just one big Kundalini blockchain Bliss Bellini black seamless hashtag that will be in touch in the future and thank you again so much sounds good thank you so much have a beautiful night. 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