In this episode I’m joined by de Vie Weinstock, a Consciousness Catalyst who teaches people to dare to be present with the wholeness of their being. We explore the vastness of ancient tantric lore and philosophy as well as the practicality of personal tantric practice beyond the genitals. Together we discover new hopes for positive transformation and conscious evolution!
About de Vie:
“What can be said about consciousness that has chosen to devote itself to an endless intimacy with presence? Devotion to the truth is not confined the stories of the world, or the stories of success. Who are we when we go beyond the stories —which are, after all, only stories? Then we are left with the conscious experience of this moment, whatever it may be. We are left with the unadulterated wholeness of the self, as it is, in ‘the world’ as it is.”
Under what conditions will you allow yourself to embrace truth? Through her Dare to Be Present® service, de Vie offers connection, support, & guidance on this path we are all on back to wholeness. Participants have experienced meditational inspiration and guidance as well as healing of chronic conditions such as stress and anxiety. In a world that still recklessly invests in the false appeal of endless stories, we have this opportunity to connect in reality, on the fertile ground of The Now. de Vie can be reached through her site at:
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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 94 I am on Skype with 2 V Weinstock of dare to be present. Calm and she is a Consciousness Catalyst and we have been dialoguing over various social media platforms for a while now and she’s blessed me to have listened to a number of my podcasts and I’m always open to especially folks who are for putting in some time to listen to The Back catalogue so to speak you have to actually bring perspectives and and really fill in blanks in and always just bring their own and treat it like an open Forum so I appreciate the vu4 for reaching out and wanted to share I’m not I will I will let you fully describe your intentions and first if you would just start off by telling us a bit about your background and and your offerings and then we can talk about your desire to bring some of your perspectives into this form so with that said please go ahead tiny here and what I offer it’s called dare to be present and I work with people in supporting them in their process of Awakening and I feel we’re all in some sort of process of Awakening cuz it doesn’t end and I feel it’s a kind of evolutionary imperative if we make it collectively revolutionary Drive evolutionary drive and I’m here to support people consciously and intentionally in that process and it grows out of my own experience in studies really extensive studies and very much my own experience which is relevant because I’m pointing people back to their own experience were in a culture that is extremely mind focused and it’s basically awarded to be disengaged from our own experience and get all kinds of book knowledge I went to Harvard so I’ve got that whole book knowledge academic first-hand story and that just being a peek example of where our culture is at of overvaluing the analytical knowledge part of the mind to the detriment of the absolutely essential lived experience so my lived experience beyond all the studies I’ve done relevant to what I offer is that I’ve literally been in a state of meditation for over 20 years so extremely deep immersion into meditation very extreme time I’ve been in the world through that I have not gone and become a Hermit in the Himalayas I am chosen to be on that path of meditation immersion in the world which is not easy but it’s also related to the topic of your podcast on your work of Tantra because Contra is the hole so the path of Tantra is not going to say oh well if you’re a spiritual person you should have been the world in terms of what I offer I work with people one-on-one I sometimes offer groups I work with them in person in Ohio or in the Ohio area sometimes in LA and also over the Internet with video or over the phone and it’s there’s talking there’s some meditation it’s basically giving guidance into what is the person’s next step and next steps in Awakening to their precious inner being around Tantra I’d like to say when I when it’s appropriate that the sexuality Pieces Just one-seventh of the major chakra pie so I think nothing it’s seems bloated or over-represented in the so-called West in some people would say it’s because people are obsessed with it and other people say it’s because that’s where the the triage of the wounding is most needed so that the sort of the healing of the second chakra is what the West needs more than other places that say in the world might need it or other cultures might need it so yeah you were you have some sort of feelings in in opinions and I guess I don’t know if it would be like a form of A Treatise but by all means would be great to have a new perspective on balancing the balancing of the did the different modalities in in currents of energy within the ton truck systems Stout is to talk for a perspective that isn’t necessarily focused on the sexual act like in the service I offer I don’t mention Tantra anywhere and it doesn’t get into sex at all unless it’s something that a person is concerned about her asking about in which case it’s simply talking about it so just to be clear in terms of how I work with people that being said why I reached out is because there is this understandable but none the less worth pointing out overemphasis in the West in terms of Tantra that well it’s like a special way by having sex right and as you’re pointing out yeah that is valid but it’s also leaving Chris Watts leaving certain people because if someone has that preconception which is very easy to have then they’re like well I’m single or I don’t have anyone to do this with or like there is a self-limiting thing based on that perception of well I can’t engage in the path of Tantra because sex is not available to me which is a lot of people even if sex is available then whether or not is Tantra good question so there’s this other piece which goes well what is Tantra regardless of whether quote-unquote physical sex is in the picture not not to dismiss physical sex but the one word that sums up Tantra is yes it’s like the simplest explanation of Tantra because it’s a spiritual path and it’s a spiritual path that is not going down the division trip and so many spiritual paths are still doing that plenty of yoga pass or doing that I mean I’ve been at these meetings at these circles and I see it first-hand of a spiritual trip of let be divided and at war with ourselves and so the largest view of Tantra is it’s all included we don’t have to try to cut off certain aspects of herself and that’s why sex is emphasized because historically it’s been so cut off it still cut off and still is still very cut off but I think that’s part of why it gets emphasized because it’s one of the most glaring examples of an aspect of ourself that has been demonized but one of the things I very actively right about and work on with my clients is something like emotions quote unquote negative emotions which is another example where angers bad lust is bad. A. A. Depression is bad and that’s another aspect we had a question be like wait a minute the whole point of the spiritual path is Unity is wholeness how do we get there how does that work if we’re trying to get to wholeness by trying to cut off basically essential parts of our self practices do you do teacher do you utilize for does integration Integrations of those repressed aspects and the demonized aspects first step is awareness cuz they are too taboo like like lust for example it’s a good example it’s considered taboo or anger anger is a really good wet like I’ve heard that so many times from people of they think not just stick but they believe that anger is not spiritual is this strong belief it’s like no anger isn’t spiritual what is that what is that belief why is that belief in there so the first step is awareness because with these embedded reactions with these embedded repressions there is a leap to just denying the feeling like it’s too hot it’s like too hot to touch you know and so that first step of a practice of becoming aware of them and going well what are the feelings and noting them so there can be something like literally writing down the feelings like just writing a word that like oh there is anger or is there is depression and something like that might look very simple or it might even look useless but it actually isn’t because it’s bringing in this new pattern workers I can notice something nothing bad is happening by noticing it so there’s a new pattern being created there by first just bringing awareness to whatever’s there in the Eastern country Traditions kind of give permission to express the various aspects of the human personality through these characters and the stories in mythological archetypes in different states of Consciousness in people may or may not actually feel in the ability to evoke or invoke or feel possessed by and therefore have a sort of thumb the patron saints of these different emotional Expressions is that something you you get into it either sort of symbolically or more literally I guess you could say bring two archetypes that embodies the emotions or what exactly are you referring to yeah just well for example I think probably the most well the most dramatic that Dede that that is used in a lot of just Neo Tantra and classical timeshares is to if you need to express rage in a healthy way than you would call upon the pooches and sudden the practices to bring yourself into the the field of the collie energy or the goddess Kali and that would be your sort of phone Serta prefabricated safe container to let all of that rage be expressed without the well without it basically sublimating into other more more well leaking out into other areas of your life where you’re not really conscious he’s fully present for it so that’s certainly a lot of what I’ve experienced and in workshops and in trainings and whatnot is just to be able to identify when you can make your own of course but the the sort of from the toolkit the township provides one of them and assorted Friday obviously permutations change across space and time but is I’m just wondering if that’s something you you say all right now get into your Kali Rage or if you need to you know if you’re feeling broke and hungry and homeless you need to invoke them or a goddess of abundance or a god of abundance or if I’m just wondering if you play with any of those those templates for someone who resume with it like it sounds like for you that my really resonate in which case it’s a meaningful safe container and medium and Kali the braids for that so is Shiva these archetypal energies symbols ever we want to look at them Daddy’s however they’re represented they can be exactly in the way you’re speaking of these meaningful channels so that being said if someone were to work with me and that angle it would depend on if if they’re sympathetic to that because my focus in the dare to be present work is to make it very accessible to a person where they’re at so I would only bring up that kind of method with someone to was predisposed to be into these archetypes and a lot of people aren’t a lot of people you’re about Daddy’s like that and they just think it’s mumbo-jumbo and I’m not at all going to go down that road with them because I meet people where they’re at so it does that totally depends on the person said that cuz that seems it seems like a in a way there’s a there’s a I mean I have I have ethical concerns with the the way that people would say that there doing Contour teaching Township but there really time tree is a it’s all about these specific practices of worshiping mostly the goddess originally and then that that sort of you could say got bastard has been corrupted and became a very patriarchal power over not really in greatest service to the goddess form of Steel spiritual practice but it’s just a shifted into a more picture cool pear diamond and then the the three historical roots of goddess worship have been marginalized and you know so that’s that’s really in a notice in a nutshell that’s how I’d see what what time she really is so when I see people saying that they’re teaching Township but they’re glossing over or sort of making making a just sleeping over that process that was the court process of spiritual relationship to a goddess of devotion then I got a question it to be able to like what you’re saying you’re not you’re not really guiding people there especially if they’re not ready for it or they’re not into it and you don’t even you’re not calling and Country so it’s I’m curious how your and I respect that so I’m curious how do you apply the sort of principles of Tantra to the modern world where people are not likely to buy into the notion of these you know very vast lineages of mythological deities that are just dizzying to try to even begin to understand you to be absolutely clear I don’t bring up the word Tantra at all in my work unless it’s somehow relevant it comes up in a few of my writings probably they’re not even on my website so it’s it’s not something that I’m using as a word explicitly but the other part of it is the question which is fertile ground right now if we want to go into which is what is Tantra and I don’t know if you and I ended up looking into that book and mention it to use absolutely one of my favorite books of all times and I recommend it to anyone who’s interested in Tantra it’s contract Quest and then it’s something like I forgot the subtitle at subtitle something like a journey to Absolute love or something like that tante request by Daniel o d a o d d i e r and it’s a true story of his journey to find a ton truck master and she goes on this journey in the Himalayas and she goes through all these tribulations and then he finally gives up like okay I’ve tried I’ve almost succeeded so he gives up and then he finds her and if I’m remembering her name correctly it’s something like Lalita Devi and she’s this Patrick Master living alone in the woods and it’s such a beautiful story and it really goes into what I consider to be Tantra witches I mean it goes into some of the sexual aspects to but in terms of how it talks about consciousness of a very embodied consciousness and a very very intimate relationship with the senses with being embodied in the sensual world so you know if you want to go into it is worth questioning and discussing of what exactly is Tantra because how I see it it’s not dependent on any sort of worship of an energetic archetype that we give a name like Collier Shiva how I see it it is first of all if the path to Total Awakening so it’s a certain kind of spiritual paths that emphasizes inclusion rather than exclusion where are some of the traditional things in many spiritual paths that are considered taboo or off-limits do not have to be off limits and Tantra and the signature and then is that if they’re engaged in very very consciously then they’re not us in that kind of language and so that’s how I view Tantra and I mean I’m not here to say my view is more right than yours that’s not the point at all but what I hear is that you’re feeling or believing that it rests upon worshipping a certain energetic form it’s interesting because you know I always enjoy the conversations because it’s it’s it’s kind of a archaeological Adventure I mean the the most I guess where I start in my inquiry with the available information we have is that there were a hunter gatherer or gatherer Hunter South Asian peoples who were who had black goddess figurines that are going back in the archaeological record at least 20,000 years and if yes if my sort of I guess I feel like what I’m personally feel like that everything that became organized scriptural do Orthodox Hinduism today that we would look at it it’s it’s sort of a an interesting the story the sort of natural history of of the dark goddess is one that goes back a long time in India before so many different waves of conquest and colonization and a word it’s often uses brown one is a Shannon and before the caste system before civilization before Agriculture and the way that if there to be some some story or movie that’s actually would be kind of telling that story of what happened to the primal practices of indigenous goddess worship and how all of these different trappings of of domestication really sort of from required of it a lot of different fractions fraction fractioning of archetypes you know before there was wealth and riches and a class and poverty in a class until before the caste system you didn’t have all these different permutations of of Glamour course we all want to be rich and glamorous and famous and we all want to be blessed by the the goddesses is a fortune in your fortune and wealth and we just take that for granted and also even the scriptures of the contras in the scripture did the all of this sort of Orthodox Hindu scriptures it’s very much based on a time of war and conflict and even is has a club to beat the Bison demon so because it was a threat to the crap so as much as we would take even jirga and believe me I I fear to say this but it but it’s just a detached sort of the knowledge and Analysis of it it’s everyday I guess everything before I before I dare say anything I regret I want to say that when we peel back the onion of archaeology you know there’s a different context for every story so I’m not I’m not pushing that it on anybody I’m just I feel like it’s it’s really the heart of Tantra that hopefully the benevolent this goal that that it has or that we hope it has you know which is to be to help us become the most compassionate benevolent loving wholesome Divine an Earthly connected Angel beasts animals that that’s sort of not everybody practicing these esoteric Arts has the best intentions and so yeah it’s it’s interesting dance with the light in the shadow and now we’re in the west just discovering that it’s possible for sacred sexuality to to exist in again that’s kind of why it seems like it’s the where Township where the sort of the vacuum of a lack of wisdom around sexuality that the tantric wisdom around sexuality is finding a a sort of being siphoned into the second shot and to get beyond that which is part of the division and it’s there still in segregating the Tantra to a sexual act is we are in a culture that you know this of course and probably most or all of the listeners Duty or your listeners do that it’s very very sexually repressed and so keeping Sexual Energy in the bedroom even if it’s Concord tantric Sexual Energy is still not going to this other dimension and this other dimension like one of the things I’ve explored for example I have plenty of practices that I do myself and for example this very basic beautiful fundamental and essential meditation on the brass is one of the most basic or possibly the most basic meditation basic not in a negative way but Central even just that can become a tantric exercise and it has nothing to do with the genitals I mean it could but in its purest form let’s just leave them out for now cuz it’s going to the store and direction of a difference I mention a larger hole where we can experience the brass as making love with the universe is easy to look at that logically even what does it do it moves in and without giving us life is giving us energy is this relationship with the hole with the Earth with the universe whatever the whole is I mean really it’s the Earth as far as we know it but we don’t know if the Earth would exist in a vacuum you know if the Earth was not in the universe we are not even be possible so something like that can turn into a deep meditation. it can be sexual without being genital because sexual and sexuality is not in any way limited to the generals and so that’s an example of a kind of practice where it can happen just through intention where it’s understanding the movement of breath as a kind of sexual act with the universe which is what I said it’s like really radical because if you take that to its greatest scope it’s like if we tune into that we’re walking around making love with the universe but actually I love that you’re saying that because I feel that every man who is homophobic and Spins I don’t know a huge percentage of his energy making obscene jokes with his other homophobic male friends who are all supposed to be straight and aren’t supposed to be thinking about sex acts with men however every other joke that they make is an explicit joke about how their friend is wanting to do some explicit sex act with another man so it seems to be this pattern of a lot of men who are fighting that Curiosity to explore the kind of contact and they’re constantly it’s it’s very it’s like usually you would call it a Freudian slip but it’s like it’s like a Freudian Niagara Falls there for 40 and Avalanche just every other line coming out of this jocular sort of mentality this jock mentality that I’ve distanced myself for homes in Retreat from but with all that said what I love about what you just said and you may never have thought about this but I think it lends itself to this is that they’re so afraid of the idea of being penetrated by anyting and they’re always saying you’re a cocksucker well you’re a breath sucker how do you like that you’re making love hilarious you taking in the breath in your lungs are being penetrated and you’re just yeah I mean all of that fear of penetration and exchange with their mouth and oral it’s it’s very interesting so I’m going to I’m going to have to find a way to use that to break some of these curses because of hottest women who are breathing in right all men are breathing and also and that’s the receptivity and it’s the vulnerability and part of what I’ve been looking at personally as well as collectively cuz I’m a woman is how does it become safe to be our full sexual beings in the culture as it is and maybe the answer is it isn’t. You don’t like me cuz I wouldn’t want to push it because safety is the really really important point but this thing about vulnerability right so it’s like in terms of the wholeness of okay well you know let’s still keep sexuality in this little corner over there okay well maybe let’s call this little corner Tantra and I’m not dissing in his just like I think it’s great that there’s this opening up in certain parts of the culture II spiritual sex and Tu Amor whole sexuality all that end as I go about my daily life in this world there still like oh yeah and it’s still there over in that little corner like it’s not safe as a generalization for a woman to have her full Sexual Energy has just talking about energetically it doesn’t look safe for her to have her. Actual energy activated in public and I don’t mean any kind of physical thing I don’t mean she’s he’s dressing differently I’m talking about purely energetically and maybe it’s a misconception maybe it is safe and I’m just not aware of that you know because I am speaking energetically but that is a really fertile question of how can it be made safe within the larger culture or needed answers a cat and we just need to focus on the subcultures I don’t know yeah well if it’s it you know if maybe you could spend some time speaking from that perspective about what I guess I’ll I mean I’ll say that if I were to be asked what what ways are are is the fullness of a woman’s sexual energetic Freedom collapsed in limited by this sort of pseudopod Victorian American sex phobic society would be you can’t smile it man because they might take it the wrong way certainly have to be aware of what your how how short your skirt is how open your top is an even how your hips are swaying and what message is that transmit and then the tone of your voice and also many other unconscious aspects of nonverbal communication with your taking his cues and course how much alcohol you drink what time what time of day it is when the sun’s coming down what neighborhood you’re in all of these are all just off the top of my head you know behind each one of those collapsed Expressions is a predator waiting to exploit that weakness or that of owner ability I should say not weakness so yeah that was what do you think what are you How would how do you help women with let’s say and Men navigate and create a safe safe for more sacred wholesome culture container for being able to smile and even give compliment I could imagine a woman give me a compliment to a man and him not having sexual fantasies immediately afterwards or if she if she were to say don’t take this the wrong way but I like what you’re wearing to are some things nice awareness and acceptance and on both parts both for men and women being able to become very aware of our sexual desire and awareness is a kind of meditation so just the practice of being aware there’s a pause there so for example personally one of the things I’ve recently on that subject is like how the hell do I feel safe with a lot of sexual attention being directed at me from guys who want have sex that’s been like so I’m like how it how can that feel safe while it doesn’t feel safe so even in that instance if for some reason I were to work with those guys when should be really funny and interesting but of work within meditative practices cuz none of my practice involves physical sexuality ever I don’t work on that level so anyway it would be to be able to first become aware of for example sexual desire because with strong emotions is a kind of emotion with strong emotions like that there can be a jumping to action where maybe the guy isn’t even fully aware of what he’s feeling that interest up of okay KO that’s sexual desire and for women to because that’s of course one of the stereotypes is like oh well the woman is just supposed to be wanted not what I mean yeah it’s been shipped at some but I still feel it I still feel that. It’s still there that the woman is supposed to be the sex object she’s not supposed to talk too much he’s not supposed to speak her mind too much and yeah there’s plenty of people pointing that out but look who’s President you know there’s plenty of people speaking to that but it’s and it’s still definitely in the culture if not it’s not obliterated yet where the woman is supposed to be the one who is desired the the recipient of male desire but women have desire to just like news flash news flash so anyway one of the first step is that inner looking right because the reaction can go oh I just want that person or I just jumped to some sort of outer activity whatever it may be no tender or whatever or calling or whatever and there isn’t that step of awareness of acknowledging oh I have sexual desire wherever it is the matter woman and said that again can be a first step cuz it’s bringing in a light of awareness before an action is taken so what are some ideas that you have if you are too if you were business and and labors of love and most altruistic your intentions were to scale what would be some of the Transformations that you would that you would say they call the Blue Sky budget if you had a blue sky budget and everyone’s attention or lots of people’s attention and how would you describe a more whole township-based world for us to work and play with in Envision on a regular basis what it would be like to be in enlightened culture in an enlightened culture what would that be I mean it doesn’t even have to be called enlightened how about just like very healthy but it sounds good and letting culture the problem with the word Enlightenment is that it’s all locked and stuff like that but there would be the principal of freedom where we can go around as our whole self as our whole selves where we don’t have to go out with all our masks on I don’t know if you’ve noticed this people walk around with really intense masks psychological masks that I mean I don’t even know if they let them down for people close to them I think some people do but it would be where we can go out in public and be who we really are which is including our sexuality including our natural being were absolutely nature bound and that if there’s issues that arise in that we can consciously work through them and so it would be a culture where first of all Consciousness is the centerpiece it’s recognized as the centerpiece that awareness is the golden key to reality beyond that it would be a playground really I mean like when we look at the Earth it’s so beautiful and I’m not talking about a Utopia I mean life has its work and its hardness so not envisioning a Utopia but when we look at the Earth it’s so beautiful and it’s just creating apparently effortlessly and the dirt is integrated into his creative process is essential to Shadows essential and we’d be remembering that total connection with life and co-creating that sounds good to me so do you want to talk a bit about your about Ohio if your if you’d be interested in that I don’t know much about it I’ve been there a few times and it it it seems like kind of a Haven for somewhere between back to the land and maybe just yeah it seems like a happy medium between really far out rule local food economy type of living in and the spirits it’s yeah like I’m or we’re all kind of Westside LA but not too remote and sounds like a lot of cool stuff is going on there and if you’re interested too kind of I don’t know if the spiritual Chamber of Commerce kind of thing is going on there but you know for you but I’m just curious what’s if you’re seeing if you’re there because more of this more of your ideal lifestyle is accessible there or if if not where have you found some of your ideals most exemplified in you recommend a tour guide of the new paradigm certain people and I don’t know if it’s localized here I mean I’m here because I happen to have falls in love with the place I’m not married to Ohio I’m here for now for the first table future I do love it I wouldn’t call Ohio and then light in town really what I see as hopeful in terms of really the new Earth is a good term for it is any of us who are aware of the darkness of the slave Matrix that so many people are mentally enslaved to and there’s certainly plenty of people enslaved here in Ohio so and realizing that humans we as humans have tremendous potential we really do like we we could have a really amazing earth culture that’s working well with the lands that’s not slowly killing ourselves off you know what that is really as possible so the Hope or where I see that new paradigm represent is really is in the people who are aware of it or wear it because there’s plenty of people who are not where is simply depressed and really really stressed out really really hooked into the mental slavery of the system and they don’t see it how it can be some other way but there’s some of us and I’m sure you were one of them we do see how it could be different and I don’t know if we’ll get there but the path is that if it’s our service so the path is okay well there has to be some kind of critical Awakening like maybe like a hundredth monkey kind of thing and that’s that’s the Cutting Edge that really is and part of and healing is part of it you know whoever’s doing meaningful healing work that’s absolutely serving it and the permaculture people you know the people who’ve got the Practical point of view of how do we have physical systems that are regenerative that’s totally part of it so there’s there are the people who are doing those different pieces so that’s rather than a specific human I like where I’m at but more than that it’s really it’s I see the Hope in nature and those of us who do clearly see that you know it is possible we could collectively awaken this is a possibility and what are some hopeful trends that you’re seeing you know anywhere locally or Beyond or online or yeah positive hopeful trends that she might p.m. reserving like I don’t have children but I love children I’m not going to have children but I love children and you don’t ever see a child I’m like you know they’re not coming out of the wound Shackled that the dark trajectory is that if it just keeps getting darker is like babies will come out of the room they’re already Shackled if you know what I mean but immunization should all the shots poisonings with that in a do you have a just wanted to take a side note here I feel like a lot of people don’t take pregnancy as seriously as they probably should as far as you know of distancing themselves from Psycho Drama and toxic relationships and unfortunately a lot of times it ends up being their baby daddy toxic relationship and yeah there’s there’s a lot of fun of child abuse going on in utero on every level so yeah that’s just it I guess a question if you if you do any work of that nature with clients or if you’re being a part of that movement 2 kind of buffer these toxic influences of all kinds to woman’s pregnant sore yeah when it when a woman is pregnant that’s I guess I just always feel really heartbroken when I see the whole cycle of that whole cycle just not well for one starting with not having a clear intention during the time of conception which is number one no error to be kind of frivolously copulating and not really having a strong attention doesn’t mean it has to be and I’m not I’m not saying it has to be with one person one married partner that’s governed by the Lord Jesus Christ or anything but certainly if your I mean well that’s kind of the most I would say some most ancient most the one of the most essential reasons for a sacred sexuality practice is to protect the the the conception the moment of conception and the process all the processes of development thereafter to invoke the right desirable protective energies and and I will go in on some coaches would have DD’s around that knowing that it’s not just the unless you’re a scientific rationalist atheist to believe that everything is just a did back in the spiritual I mean if your taking using the word sacred you can’t be an atheist because there is nothing sacred to an atheist. That’s what being an atheist is put on the sacred Pro pedestal in that case well yeah before I eat before I go on a soapbox I guess you know the more I guess a specific question would be how are you finding that your work or your studies are involving this this you know people were really wrecked you know if people are really wrecked in their life and they’re being Reckless about about the potential of being a container for life there’s a lot of not just your own car make purification but for your own sake but the responsibility to be a good ever purifying womb space vessel and I’m not going to be the guy to tell women how to do that so I need a safe container so of course a woman who’s pregnant that’s a very specific crucial Time end we’ve all been wounded and so absolutely part of the intention and part of the Derby present work is to create these safe containers where it’s a meeting where the meeting safe where the whole person is welcome so we all need that because of the culture were in and then be on the meetings be on the safe containers of the meetings where a person’s full self is welcome for the individual to be able to create safe containers for herself or himself and that’s important also and that’s different methods where for example creative methods can be a great way for that to happen where someone for example can do a creative exercise such as writing where they know they can destroy the writing afterwards if they want to and in that writing they can say absolutely anything at all they can say things they can write things that they would never tell another person. they would never repeat again but it’s a way of liberating certain aspects of themself and that becomes us a container that’s just one example there’s many others so that stays can container that safe container those safe containers of time and space which can happen through a method are really essential and then the other part of that is one of the things that I put out and things I share online occasionally is about overpopulation and conception things like that which is a really really really important Global issue so that’s part of the collective you is okay our population keeps going up we’re not in good relationship with our resources so that’s not a good equation like it’s like three new babies born every every second or something like that that’s not an exact number but it’s really really really high something like that like 1 2 3 every second and that has to be addressed on some level and as long as it’s still taboo on some level to talk about sex and how babies are made. Going to be a logical progression because so much of sex and sexuality is in the closet still and we’ll so you know we can’t talk about that we can’t talk about you know hey a guy doesn’t need to ejaculate to have an orgasm for example which of course you knew about and I mean that kind of thing that’s one of my other Visions for an unladen cultures that kind of thing it’s like everyone would know that and they would learn it in safe totally non perverted ways it would not be a perversion it would be like hey this is this is something that it’s really good to know and right now it’s like oh my God that’s you can’t you can’t change someone that it’s like you know that’s one of the Visions like imagine if from this point forward every conception was conscious intentional and wanted that would transform the world right there absolutely yeah that’s an interesting I get other so much in jio money spent and so many think tanks just grinding the gears trying to figure this out and it’s really scary man I was thinking about this just the other day was watching this documentary called the fourth world saying that the population the global population of people in slums is probably going to Triple in the next few decades so and I have to wonder why is that well it’s because of these the dogmas and limits around contraception in education and that’s a religious problem at the at the core you know the religious dogma and so I imagine it if the pope decreed that in jaculation is the only way to limit the profuse suffering of people who are born into extreme poverty in you know I mean that’s that’s that would be an interesting turn of events yeah but that’s why one of the reasons why this really really bizarre taboo against acknowledging what creates every single human being is so destructive it’s like it’s really crazy it’s really really really crazy and so in terms of the Times review and the wholeness of Tantra and Tantra leading the wholeness it’s great it’s fine it’s worthwhile that there’s more of a dialogue now about sexual practices of Tantra and that excellent one of Yes Men can learn to have multiple orgasm without ejaculation ejaculating is really really really helpful so that’s highly highly relevant and also in terms of respecting that sexuality I wouldn’t even say can be sacred I would say is inherently sacred so those are essential end we also absolutely need this broader piece of take away the taboo on the fact that we are all sexual beings . We are all sexual beings there’s no one who isn’t a sexual being there’s all sorts of sexuality but we all came out of it therefore we are all sexual beings and that taboo have to be with it it just has to it’s like one of those absolutely essential pieces if Humanity isn’t going to keep going down a really dark path on the the biomedical physiological side of this I just this is the first time thank you so much as a result of this conversation I know have taken this Great Leap Forward to find the actual clinical terminology for a phenomenon that I have been preaching about for a long time which is that if you want less unwanted children and less overpopulation you have to basically extend maternity leave so that mother is can breast feed on demand as long as the children want to because that is the Nature’s Best contraceptive so yeah so here’s that I’m going to read this right there I’m going to just read a bit of this right now because this is the perfect moment to to seed Consciousness with this idea is called lactational amenorrhea laminaria is the temporary post-natal infertility that occurs when a woman is Anna Maria not menstruating and fully breastfeeding breastfeeding and fertility so that’s the English translation I guess you’re calling and breastfeeding and fertility for women who follow the suggestion to meet the criteria listed below laam is 98% effective during the first six months postpartum breastfeeding must be the infants only or almost only source of nutrition feeding formula pumping instead of Nursing and feeding solids all reduce the effectiveness of Lan the infant must breastfeed at least every 4 hours during the day and every 6 hours at night the infant must be less than 6 months old the mother must not have had a. After 56 days postpartum when determining fertility bleeding prior to 56 days postpartum can be ignored and to take full advantage of L am at his best at the baby’s face not be covered when feeding what is that trying to tell us which Ian Lee covering the baby reduces the babies access to oxygen in visual contact with the mother which trains the baby to speed up the cycling process and this reduces the time. Rendering Less La and less affected I’m just going to break down and cry right now I can’t breasts in public call the police or whatever alerts a store manager or whatever they do yeah that’s so this is and and let it and let it think that it’s just died and gone to hell I’m okay so the next thing is even even more telling says if not combined with barrier contraceptives spermicides home if not combined with barrier contraceptives spermicides hormonal contraceptives or intrauterine devices lactational amenorrhea lactational amenorrhea method Lan may be considered natural Family Planning by the Roman Catholic church so it would be time to let maybe the pope is in his likely to agree that we must train men to withhold ejaculation however the the possibility is it stated here that a natural Family Planning method such as Lan would be Church approved not the current pope seems like actually a pretty good guy from what I’ve heard and leader of the free the nipple movement so that LAN show me the way he can do it is exactly the way your previously suggesting is women need to have full leave for a certain amount of time after they have a child and what are the things I’ve studied for years and they sure about with women on occasion is fertility tracking which is so is something that women can do so men can learn how to orgasm without ejaculation so they don’t need to ejaculate and what women can do is learn to we can learn to track or cycles and there is no drugs involved there’s no chemicals involved and it’s really empowering because we can do it’s really pretty simple we can do that with taking our temperature daily before getting up and then also by tracking our cervical fluid and it can be really accurate if it’s done properly and so for example like in college I want the morning after pill kind of broke and if I’ve been doing the tracking at the time is before I got into that I would have been able to know whether or not I needed to even do that because when women tracking mail Partners can do that along with them if they wanted but it’s really would be our responsibility as women we can know exactly how many days were fertile and it’s only going to be like it’s going to be like at most maybe a third of the month or if there is a cycle something like that something like maybe Max 8 days and that’s not an absolute quote but it’s something like that where I mean it’s just for the simple reason of like sparing a lot of stress of how many women of freaked out maybe pregnant and if we’re tracking we can know whether or not that even worth considering so it’s called the fertility awareness method and there’s some good books on it and I learned it on my own just from the books and it’s not the Rhythm method which is not accurate cuz that’s projected path Cycles on to Future Cycles which is not a good idea cuz the next cycle the next women cycle can be totally different it’s where you actually know the women will actually know what phase of fertility she’s in and then can choose more responsibly how to deal with pregnancy throw or if she wants to conceive it help conception to because then she’ll know I’m most fertile Denso it helps with with and then a really cool thing is even if a woman is sexually active she can know within a few days when she’ll get here her. Which is really is great to be an engine has no concern about pregnancy or if she’s not having sex is really helpful and cool to be able to know I know my. Is going to start within these three days or something so this is great fertility awareness method wow oh we have this has been quite an adventure with a lot of different inquiries in I just want to say is we’re getting close to a good time to wrap up if you have any other important messages you want to share and certainly you know feel free to promote your services and your website and everything and then I look forward to the next adventure I want to start just this mean point that inspired reaching out to you which is this view of Contra as a spiritual path to wholeness into Awakening that is not dependent on whether or not there is any physical sex happening it’s not dependent on that and it’s this invitation to allow ourselves this Consciousness that Embraces every aspect of ourselves and in turn actually every aspect of our existence where there isn’t any aspect of ourselves that we need to make evil or Macon to the devil and we can really embrace all of who we are whatever that may be so that’s the time trick message and then the other piece is that what I offer is called dare to be present and it is supporting individuals in being able to learn how to be with themselves and learn how to explore their inner being the thoughts the Motions the inner body how to bring awareness to this inner self. Has been massively neglected in a very extremely driven culture because that inner self is always there and it’s what gives meaning really is what gives any of the meaning in our life so if anyone wants to reach out about that the site for dare to be present my sight is dare to be present. Com present present and I got a newsletter a send out some inspirational writings so anyone is welcome to sign up for that and I offer a free connection call where we would chat on the phone for 20 minutes or so and just be able to connect in the moment in that time and there’s no further obligation beyond that and then I share a lot of presents perspectives on Facebook so if you go to my site there would be present. 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