In this episode I’m joined by the charming and illustrious Jason Tantra, the founder of Tantra 4 Gay Men. He’s stepped up into a leadership role in holding sacred spaces world-wide and online for gay and bisexual men to share in the glory of Tantra.
We discuss his personal journey, offerings, and visions for an ever more deeply and unconditionally loving future for humanity.
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Jason is the founder of Tantra4GayMen, and a pioneer of Tantra for gay and bisexual men in the UK. Trained as a counselor and as a spiritual medium, and after years of professionally working with male survivors of rape and abuse, Jason met Tantra in 2006. He immediately knew that his life purpose had become clear. Since 2008, with his husband Ingo, Jason has pursued his life as an exploration of sexual and spiritual liberation. He has done this by creating events and trainings that express this: Events where men who love men can let go, explore love, and find ways to freedom where sexuality meets spirituality.
Over 10.000 men having been through Tantra4GayMen’s work. Its two yearly Festivals are beautiful wonderlands where sex meets spirit, bringing together facilitators from the cutting edge of Tantra in a context where men can love men without holding back. Its Tantra Diploma offers a one-of-a-kind transformative experience for those who want to live Tantra as a path of personal development leading to total freedom. Currently, Tantra4GayMen is expanding these events into the USA, and Jason and Ingo are working towards their vision of a community of open, free, conscious and aware men that are happy and in love with the very world they live in and themselves.
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Com and our journey together will begin their beloveds welcome to touch your Punk podcast episode number 90 I am on Skype with Jason Tantra and he is a leader in the world is Tantra for gay men and if you have done any research or had any interest in this area of timeshare you probably discover that there’s not a lot out there unfortunately so let’s really give Jason some supplies and support to continue to grow and extend this technology into all of the beautiful dimensions of love that exists so Jason would you want to tell us about your background how you discovered timeshare and how its transform your life and then we’ll get into what you offer and what the future looks like inviting me to come and do this podcast with you and I’m really happy to share anything I can to help spread the love spreads Tantra erotica what’s going on around me in and it’s really easy I think to slip into being faithful old to slip into being angry or to feel helpless you know you don’t need to look at the news headlines from a vote in the u.s. in the UK it’s a pretty scary place out there in done for me one of the things I love about Time trailer is that at its core is about love at its absolute core is about unconditional beautiful love and I just kind of rest into that place you know when when I look and see the world son struggling tonight I want to do so I’m really pleased to have to try and Spencer to try here with you think you know about you but I kind of always felt when I was growing up that my life had a certain purpose in extreme my childhood’s I always had this feeling that some of the experiences that I went through were for a greater good with for said that they would have some meaning of some elephants later in my life at the age of 18 I started attending we call the spiritualist church in the UK I basically spent 10 years learning how to be a spiritual healing that was before Reiki became fashionable and I also learned a lot about energy and I learned a lot about spirits and I learned a lot about mediumship and being able to channel energy and I would sit in closed groups and had many many experiences over that decade and then I went home to qualify as a spiritual healer and have a qualification for that and then I’m is interesting that they are qualified all of my clients dried up and again it was coming back to this idea that this training was in somehow preparation to something I was going to do later in my life and then I like my clients just dried dried up and I was like okay and I said if you’ve ever had that feeling bad when you just need to trust something inside you to get to trust it. Going to be okay and that the right thing happening Alchemy and I went to start work as a Fallen Tree telephone counselor for a charity in Bristol code many survivors outline and I would be taking telephone calls each week for male survivors of rape and abuse and often a phone call to me would be you know the first time that they had ever spoken about this you know we’re going back about 15-20 20 years people got support from telephone lines rather than from the internet as they do today so that time I feel and I might work then think that grew and I started to work in the prison in Bristol working with inmates and male survivors of rape and abuse and it’s a real cycle of something that happens where people have had a traumatic childhood of her being abused mental cruelty physical cruelty sexual cruelty and they’re going to end up in the cycle of drugs and then they commit crimes to feed the drugs to forget you know kind of what happened to xiamen so in other words I was doing was about helping them stop poking about the abuse for the very first time and I’m joining that time I put myself through University and trying to the counselor and qualifies as a kind of slow and then would you believe that at some point just came to a natural pools but during my counseling journey I had a 10-year relationship with my previous partner had to say he had real issues with alcohol I mean basically living with an alcoholic for 10 years and I just thankfully I kiss the ground that I had the strength to get out of the situation I often didn’t think I’d be able to get answers that situation and had a unique. In my time if you match and living with somebody with an alcohol issue for 10 years it’s like the minute that I finished it’s like this huge crowd is just lifted off you and I kind of felt like a new spring lime Galloping around the field and I decided I had a 3-month time in day before I moved into my new place and I decided to do all the things that would me in the Lost previous years and one of those was to go on a tantra weekend Workshop and the first time I met Chandra it was like hand on the gloves it was like even though what we were doing was difference the language and the psychotherapeutic processing of of what’s going on was already coming to me cuz I feel like that before the previous two decades and I went through and trained for three years until the truck I’m in Germany and I remember waking up one day and I was like okay I’m going to be a timer for teacher I don’t know how else to say that you know I just woke up and I just had this much deeper sense of knowing that that was my purpose that that was what I was put on Earth to do and what I do and I and I dedicate my life to is about how Payne gay and bisexual man to love to come back to love and to come back to themselves and to come back to truth and what I mean by truth is kind of you know what’s beyond the world that we see around us is beyond you know that the things that are going on in our life was the purpose of our lives and cymede you know my dedication is to help gay and bisexual man I’m spiritually energetically sexually a vowels and the biggest thing that I always talk about is freedom I feel that Tundra is fucking hard work sometimes when I’m exercising flooring against the floor just made my own blockages my own my own issues all the stuff that was getting in the way and I don’t mean I didn’t know that I was going to make it sometimes to the train now it’s a run out what it’s a runaway I wanted everyone to fuck off I went I went straight to hell and back and Ania in Tantra I found some of the most ecstatic experiences ever I kind of feel like I visited places that I know existed a kind of not on this Earthly plane and I feel that I have just a much wider sense of of who I am and that isn’t necessarily the Jason is being presented to you but kind of the spirit of who I am I being mean of the being of who I am wow that was such a beautiful Journey I’m just I’m glowing in the end there’s a lot in there that really resonates for me it seems like we’ve probably experienced a number of similar circumstances and I’ve been trained as a tantra counselor and certified and I am myself a Survivor and a wounded healer and it’s very much in a different place to come from when you’re really in the trenches of of doing support work and then you discover Tantra can you tell us a bit about the training that you did for three years that sounds like a deep immersion and I’m curious if you have highlights from that I feel that my Tantra teacher told me most importantly have not to do it and that might come as quite shocking because I actually when you want to train and turn you kind of want your Tantra teacher to you kind of look up to them and you place your trust in them and you place your respect and you kind of hold them in the interstates of reference and Ice I as I said earlier the biggest thing I learned from my country teacher and I kind of like to keep the name Anonymous if that’s okay but they basically told me how not to do it and and they told me what notes to do and they also told me the HD when you’d come from a place that does not have a clear intention then you’ll potentially harmful to people for me my biggest thing the temperature is about love and old is the people that come to my work I love them unconditionally and I have compassion for what that’s struggling with and however that plays out however that’s display I have to fashion because I have my own ship to do with you know I have my own moments where I’m less than perfect. Here we go again I’ve done that played the old again you know you kind of hate yourself for a moment I kind of know what is old as those places and I feel that the only way we are Humanity all going to get through this without blowing ourselves up burning the planet we live on and making everybody else different than us the only way they always love you no love doesn’t care you know what color you are what race you are what country you come from doesn’t care what you go in the bank balance it doesn’t care what experiences you have love for me is a states of being an end loving all of us is absolutely equal you know we are absolutely equal when we will come from the price of love beautiful that’s amazing yeah I feel that I feel like I’m kind of on the wanting to give people a lot of prerequisites a lot of disclaimers a lot of warnings and there’s definitely a pattern of misuse of the tantric sexual powers and you know just sit a tendency to form Cults of personality and you can say that a lot of a lot of India is this a lot of tension amongst all these different strains of Tantra that got lumped together into a kind of Orthodox Hinduism that was easily digestible by the Christians and so you know the British so it sits there the more feminist and feminine schools of timeshare are the ones that I think held onto that Integrity the best my lineage just to come back to get to the point you made of the beginning my lineage I guess is from imagine if you’ve heard of more going on. I’ve heard the name but not answering the influences of the temperature that I teach and it’s very good for me to be able to take the practices and the teachings and leave behind all the controversial stories and Cults and goodness knows what else beside one of the things that’s important for me as a time for teacher is my my counseling training I’m one of the things I believed as temperature teaches I don’t put myself up that as a guru I have my own blind spots my own shadow sides and so like counselors go to sleep position I also go to supervision to make sure that my work is healthy and that I’m coming from the right place and I don’t have any blind spots and you know for me temperature is a cold playgrounds of all of the issues that are coming on for Humanity so I’m the person whatever issues you have going on in your life are going to be very very condensed and feel much more active and alive I’m in a tantric space because you’re going to be confirmed signals for me I am argue I’m a knife and I passionately argue against some of the views and opinions that I’m Tundra is only possible between a man and a woman and the reason why I disagree with that and it’s my own personal opinion you know I don’t need you to make it right or wrong will make anybody else write my own personal opinion and I’ve discovered is that everybody has both masculine and feminine energy in them and mask gin and feminine for me is difference between man and woman and masculine energy doesn’t always equate to a man and notice feminine energy always equates to a woman and I get very very cross and very upset when anybody that isn’t a hetrosexual male or a hetrosexual female is excluded in any way for me Tantra is as normal as fresh air and it says available to everybody as fresh air and I also feel that the more that we try to categorize all cells and the more we try to put ourselves in certain identity is the movie actually take away take yourself away from an openness and the willingness to explore all the possibilities of who we might be in this life beautiful I totally agree and there’s some nuts and bolts things with not being a man and a woman that I think are easily mythbusted when you understand exactly what you’re talking about and I believe also like something I would say to people who said will you everybody has the shizuma that eat and a pink gelato so pretty much you’re you’re energetically spiritual intersex anyway yes you’re working with men We Believe The Arc Hawk hotel masculine energy and we also believe that also anus hose or feminine energy and I would say that your masculine and feminine energy are not dependent on the types of genitals that you have you know everybody for me has both masculine and feminine energy and everybody has those in different quantities I think I’m people believe that gay men are going to have more feminine energy and for me and my experience that’s absolutely not true I don’t believe that in from what I’ve seen men’s gay men have any more or less masculine or feminine energy than any but any other hetrosexual man that I’ve seen and I feel that you know for me I try not to get into any generalizations and always work with each individual based on who they are and what they represented in each moment because of what was the what was the uzi and his film he said the one thing we can all be sure of is that we are all completely different and so for me. You know I welcome everybody into my world and unacknowledged that we are all going to be completely different and I have our own ways and end things that work and don’t work for us the more you develop a tantric practice you basically have dials almost in your energetic control panel or equalizer graphic play so kind of thing so that you can actually decide and in each moment you can you become masterful at dancing with those energies internally and then you can also dance with a partner or in a group so it’s very optional really the fluidity becomes very she was saying that I kind of had several different opinions that I’m okay about of years between every two persons is always going to be is always a conversation to be had whether that’s a non verbal conversation or a verbal conversation whether something’s expressed physically that person’s going to be hearing something back to you that going to be reflecting something back to you and that’s going to either be some stuff that you really love or some stuff that you don’t want to be around unsafe for me there’s always going to be a conversation going on you know some people to make you feel yucky some people are going to make you feel sexy some people to go to make you just feel loving and being present you know what kinds of things. She just probably more than one conversation to have with each person because that’s different territories in different places that you can go for me what enables me and the people that I teach to do is to have a much wider expression of themselves in the world so you know if you think that we grow up you know we go to school we may go to university or college we make at a job and you know everything I’m at a very general level is kind of quiet conditions and for me people typically come to town trap because they’re looking for something they looking for something more all this something that they want to heal you know either there’s something wrong that’s causing them pain or they are bored depressed Fed Up and kind of giving you know life is a big gray there must be more to this and you know people reason explorers Aguilas am I feeling in in Tantra yes have you ever had the experience of straightish but say or bi-curious men having negative experiences experimenting in more let’s say club or bar type game environments and then discovering your offerings and feeling like it’s a breath of fresh air 2 Deanna more conscious container or is there I kind of feel like there’s a hope that for men to start expanding their Horizons from the pressures of Christian patriarchal heterosexuality that they would have that you were the future of your teachings would be that there would be more meetup groups and more temples and places where male male initiation or even a male you know if a self-described straight male goes into a gay Tantra Temple and gets to have his chakras blown you know if that is a freak sample am I created in the UK and I’ve no created in the USA a tongue traffic a Man festival and we create five days of magic what I mean by that is beyond the program on the workshops going to be on this just you know who those things and it being in a great location there’s something magical that happens about halfway through the festival and it’s like everybody just drops into a very very loving you can feel it it’s just all around you a very loving accepting beautiful out of the hard to describe at World’s End people across hate when they when they leave because they think it’s like they’ve been to Narnia you know they vented magical land for these five. And what enables that for me is is the intention of love and the intention of accepting everybody as they are as perfect beings regardless of a shape color and any other anything else and you know for me in my work I create these magical spaces because if I took specifically for gay man I think one of the issues that we struggle with another world with the digital age and the old very very image focused in a we open up our laptops less pictures this magazines as hunky muscly pictures and quite often we can just feel less than you know if I talk about the Grindr app that you know that Ben has pictures of man and ask a man gay bisexual man was very very homes to say yes or no with in a nanosecond of each person or we can start on the grid of man who we would have wouldn’t shine within 2 seconds and so we beat very judgmental and we thought I think makes us lonely because we did and I will we go I want to connect with somebody that’s got the right shape to my sleet or so older right shaped biceps real connection that’s like you know watching porn films and looking to get aroused and that’s a great thing to do but in terms of looking for connection with the world in connection with a man.. Isn’t going to get you want you want and Anna for me one of the Magics of timetra is the ability to open yourself to connections with other people that you wouldn’t normally mates and I don’t necessarily mean sexual connections but they might be but that’s what I’m talkin about his love and connection like it’s normal in in human nature that we’re not going to find see everybody on the planet you know there’s some people that are going to think for other people I think I’ve not in a million years and then we got maybe if we can just drop the game come back to this sense of being banned from the sense of being let the conversation on phone knowing that there’s mutual love between you and you can then explore you know what connection means an animal talk to training I had some of the most profound experiences with man that I would never even look twice at in the end of Idaho open house until no way and yet there was something in the energy something in their essence of who they were the was so profound that opened up Magic beautiful well this time I’m taking a ride right now I can imagine all of this all these beautiful moments and really that’s a that’s exciting so in the end of the festival programs can you talk a bit about what the the Arc of the experiences like and what what people would expect if they were going to sign up and I’m certainly in treat I definitely want to check this out two things basically time traffic amen started I started this eight years ago with my partner and go and we started in Bristol and I started doing 6 evening weak-ass sex workshops of an evening of three hours I’m absolutely terrified and then that grew into doing a weekend workshop and then weekend workshops all over the UK and then that kind of gave birth really we decided to focus our efforts so we now have a tundra Festival how do you tie in Glastonbury and Google custom brake says ancient history there which just asked to the energy of the festival and this year is the first USA turn traffic on the East Coast at Eastern Mountain and we also offer in the UK what we call our Deep dive. I’m training which is our diploma in tundra and it’s a three-year program at is one week Pay Here in but inside I talk Less in Devon in the southwest of the UK and for me that is the bread-and-butter learning deeply about Tantra and putting yourself through a very deep I’m experienced men joining us from all over the world I would you believe we’ve got men coming on Start program flying in from Australia to go to coming in from Australia several coming in from the US and all over Europe because of the quality of the decks of this very very profound time for training so excites you listen as you know if they weren’t looking to really understand Tundra from a gay fine man perspective I would absolutely encouraged them to attend our diploma training and I’m not sure that there’s any think there are other trainings in the world but I don’t see anything ask for frying doors deep OS comprehensive as this training yeah I can only imagine was because not enough celebration in the world and we just kind of felt that you know Odyssey workshops are always about you not working on yourself looking at your crappy parts and I wanted to bring to Tantra the absolute beautiful idea of pure celebration and say what England I tires tirelessly do 4-year is we go and we seek teachers from all kinds of disciplines every year is a brand new program we bringing difference Hunter teachers from around the world yoga teachers I’m spiritual satsang teachers a BDSM teachers everything I think we bring in Danse you kind of name it in terms of a spiritual discipline and we are bringing that into a program and as I said it’s like you know a group of a hundred man in both countries connected for 5-day purely to celebrate love something that is starting to really converge in the I guess you could say to you or Western Tantra world there’s more and more crossover between the Psychedelic shamanic Renaissance a lot of people traveling to Peru for experience and Ayahuasca ceremonies and people are kind of creating their own experimental Cynthia genic exploration and healing containers with different substances and I’m curious if that is on in your call Janos Alchemy here with all these human Magics and Sciences and arts is are you finding that there’s more people approaching entheogens with their working in Tantra or in sexual healing or just act like you said from exploration to to the healing path you know is that some of my Advanced diploma students have taken it upon themselves to take trips out of Peru to work with pain medicine and for me when I talk to people that are experiencing that to me temperature is a pathway to Enlightenment you know that’s what the time trick Park is about its roots are in Hinduism and Buddhism and you know it’s taking you to the enlightened face but it was so for me plant medicine is also doing that as well I’m in a very very different way I don’t say what other spiritual practices are you know such as things like Zen meditation where it’s a very it’s a journey of under arousal and it’s a journey of Stillness and silence they looking for me for the exact same thing that we’re looking for in Tantra I know so if you talk to you know the yokuts around the world Yogi’s they’re also looking for the same thing as we are I just come back from a cherry vanilla in India where old is the world sucks I need teachers get together over 2 months and get public discourse is and the oldie I’m sorry I use that the holy man around my own sorrow looking for the same thing that we’re we’re all looking for and sofa does many very different disciplines of different ways of what I would go getting there if whatever the never should have getting their means I don’t want to see spiritual practices of a Pathways to Enlightenment and you know for me it’s it’s down to each individual about the great thing we have is humans and we forget this the one thing I have his choice and so people can choose which pathway I understand from country you know for some people because it does have a load of work with sexual energy and sexuality you know it’s they don’t feel it’s appropriate for them they don’t want to do that but for me you know Tantra is time to cut through very very quickly you know I called it the fastest Pathway to Enlightenment because you’re facing your crap for your face that your stuff is in the room with you write that but it was so I know that pain medicine. Ayahuasca you never lose them confront you with with your stuff and I also know you know that you will have those same things in in yoga different spiritual practices two different things yeah it’s at make it reminds me that for a while I’ve had this alternate conception of Enlightenment as being not only light as in light and dark but also light as in heavy and and let you know that the weight Factor so if you think of Enlightenment is shedding baggage from your you know you’re hot air balloon you dropping sandbags you can go higher than it’s kind of a different form of Enlightenment to release the weight do you know the the baggage you know so I think the strongest understanding of Enlightenment that I’ve had has been in tiruvannamalai when I pee in a hat the absolute privilege of sitting in the presence of some enlightened master and had the opportunity to meditate with them over prolongs days I spent three days with a Samsung teacher in enlightened monster and play privilege to meditate with him over three days I don’t have to say that my experience of that energy is is profound is beyond anything that I’ve you know experienced in in the in 44 years as something that infamy Tundra is it as a fantastic way of cutting through and I’m getting you that quickly right that’s that’s real beautiful I think people are it’s if you don’t have a an experience of that connectedness to the Divine Source energy which is what we’re trying to I’d say this place the lower ourselves the lower vibrational aspects of our character personalities wounds traumas ancestral curses you can call them demons whatever it is if you don’t have a source connection to light that’s going to really eradicate and displace all of that negative stuff then you know you might never in my think most most people walking the planet now who have been relieved foot Bound by the patriarchal religious systems that charge the money to fantasize about that energy of connection to the real thing so I agree steak that people sometimes make when they consider putting themselves onto a spiritual path way and sometimes they cannot have this perception that they needs to ascend all that they need to get something that’s higher than themselves I’m done for me Mike my problem with this is my own personal opinion but my problem with this is that I forget about that body and they forget about the human existence I think it’s some spiritual practices you know that work with love light and energy and believe that they need to be a send this to go to those but actually I’m a human being in the human body here on front of the earth and the planet that I’m living on I and the people around killing the planet in the environment that we live on and for me a spiritual practice must be embodied must be in the body must be hearing from the earth because you didn’t mean he much of planet Earth tips to be with so you know in future generations and for me until humans learn to love the planet and we’re not going to be fixing it and fixing some of the challenges that we have agreed and you’re talking to is music to my ears because I spent most of my life really in the trenches of being an eco-warrior and saving the trees and planting gardens and do a nonprofit work and charitable work there and it’s so interesting that this effect of Tantra I would say is it a when you have a taste of the Transcendent Divine Realms that are of pure beauty and Majesty than you actually are able to recognize that signature of the Divine creation more on Earth and you want to preserve it protect it leave it to see against I’m gay marriage and it was something along the lines of you know that actually if we fall in love with somebody of the same sex and we love them so much that that we’re going to marry them and then the next thing we might do is we that might want some merry old is the animals on the finance and we might love them so much that we want to Mary’s I went to see was so connected to them and then they’re not actually we might actually love the planet so much that we want to marry fine and we love it so much that we imagine not being with it in love and answer me. Just incapsulate you know kind of I think we’re one of the things I’m willing to bring people to Inn in Tantra is very deep profound states of love that they can integrate into their day-to-day lives so that they can be happier and they have a better quality of life and you know nobody’s suffering if you look at Buddhist teachings you know it talks a lot about human suffering and that she went with no in love we are suffering you know what either being critical or judgmental or shameful and one of those times was suffering and for me the thing I love about temperature is it tight shoes you said he’s very magical states of Puyallup your essence and as I know you said it’s about integrating that end in Za day-to-day lives here wow you just said something so profound and I think this needs to discuss easily be a mantra bumper sticker a t-shirt everything that whatever it takes but if I if I remember correctly if you’re not in love yourself you’re in suffering or your suffering that’s yes pretty profound so if you need help figuring that out this is a opportunity the ton truck pass for sure you know you can be in love with the smell of a flower or the sunset or just the experience of being in your own body you know being in love with yourself that is all these things like in country works if you’ve met somebody that sexy and there’s a connection it’s easy to fall in love with them engraved go ahead and enjoy that but I imagine you know if you said two people are falling in love with themselves that was really tough right you have so yeah I’m curious now if you you you just some bullet points of some of the ways that you would promote the the gay tantric path of initiation and in Discovery that would be not just anatomically different but anything that for those who ignore just lost in their imagination how how would it be different how would it work how does it how would it be tight what’s the how have you basically adapted some of this I’m sure it’s it’s something you’ll write many books about to give us a little bit of some teasers here I’m I’m just be thrilled to get a sense of some of the nuts and bolts in mechanics of you know is obviously eye gazing in breathwork and the the various chakra activation practices and the different ways to sort of Connect app through the Grafton true sound and movement and I’m just curious if you have sort of a some templates that you’ve work through so if people were trying to experiment with this in what would you give it some some quick tips quick tips and ideas and one of the things I create sits at the beginning of this ship and is my YouTube channel called Jason turn truck and the reason I created that was because I wanted to start the conversation of time I’m trapped and I wanted to dispel some common myths and I wanted to give people some great basic exercises that they could try on her to home and stop bringing this mystical single Tantra I’m to life Oldham so one thing I would recommend if people want to learn more about Sandra from me is to have a look at my YouTube channel Jason Tantra Samia Ali Raza Gate entrance go to gay or bisexual X go there any difference to any other hetrosexual temptress or any other form of temptress go to me the one thing that we can be sure of is that every time for school is completely different and the temperature that I want to bring to the world and the difference that I want to make to the world is about coming back to love and so in my teachings a lot of my work is about helping people to grow in Consciousness to Growing awareness so that they actually a presence in their day-to-day life and present with everything that’s happening inside them and signs of them so it’s a big feature with my Tikka work is the amount of psychotherapy that we actually do within the group because we wants to keep learning and keep his whole thing keep growing as I said in Consciousness and awareness that is all you know the pathways to Enlightenment that you are so conscious that you become fully realized you’re old as he practices that you names all the bread and butter of of Tantra I didn’t do I know I have a no deeper work at we’ve developed some quite challenging processes and practices that are not just about like the feature about work yes table you know I’d say a good half of it is about energy and about all of those good things that you named the other half of me is about working on the ego and working on helping people into places of surrender so we’ve developed around unique set of very deep profound exercises the all-purpose Lee Designs to be confrontational if you were an enlightened being these exercises won’t be confrontational you would just Breeze through them because you don’t have any ego and to me what we’re trying to do in time for this above the techniques is the process helping people to really have profound experiences of Freedom with all of the techniques for the day but in equal measure a place that they can safely process of work through the experiences that the housing I’m Works through the blockages are I really firmly believes that the psychotherapies as important as the time for techniques as a practice of tundra totally agree that it’s important is often is appropriate or necessary that we are coming into this in a way different context than the context that the National let’s say in the medieval Heyday of tantric temple building and the tantric Temple arts in India they didn’t have as much baggage to clean up or we can’t really guarantee that that’s the case but really if if if we look at what you know you already mentioned that addiction to the screen environments and let’s say all the Billboards there’s certainly the the the conditioning really the apparatus to build such disease ego minds they had already been aware of it enough that they had built whole systems to keep it in check from birth and it was you know I don’t want to romanticize anything but I just will save it to we’re we’re we’re going to teach Tantra now it absolutely I feel in Residence that there’s got to be a more of a modern tool kit to help with deconstruct this constant state of comparison and superficiality and you know it’s the the beauty of the Sounds in the image that the experience and all of these things that take you more internally they really put those shallow aspects in perspective and it makes it easy to dissolve a easier to dissolve them but then you also need that cognitive work to be done as well so yeah that’s all very different than the issues that for example of being dealt with a hundred years ago I’m an I agree with you about not romanticizing the past you know because if you look how we treated each other in a hundred years ago 200 years ago in England you know if you were sold took the office being a thief without any evidence you a hand and the way the humans treated each other you know for me in those times were very much about people conforming to the different religions on the different ways that their communities operates it’s so I don’t I think it’s it’s kind of why I agree with you about being careful not to romanticize the Past because I feel that people have so much Freedom these days I’m in the last 20 years specially for gay and bisexual men you know we have so much more freedom to you know beyond sales and to explore do we all but I also agree with what you’re saying bad about that there’s so many more distractions that I that can take us away from exploring a Hui hou arale off but I do believe and I do have hope around you no Humanity as to how we have evolved in the last hundred years you know the way that we treated each other then to the with the with the levels of consciousness that we have now I’m vastly vastly improved but you know what this game is not over until we all reach Enlightenment and we’re going to keep Reba and coming back until we kind of really didn’t realize the truth of Who We Are beautiful yes oh I I totally agree with that as well as feel like there’s this trend towards more love acceptance compassion empathy it’s a cosmic cycle I feel like it’s a good sign so we’re if you and then I really do the things that you were mentioned earlier that the headlines about how the world is falling apart it’s really it’s like we’re shedding the Cocoon of the old paradigms and it’s going to be an ugly there’s a lot of whoever’s hanging on to the past is going to fight with whatever power the illusions of power they have the weapons that you know the eagle Madness is just like any any it’s kind of a microcosm of a Kundalini experience or a confrontation and so we’re just watching the the Patriarchs of the old Paradigm fight for dear life of their of their way thinking and you know hopefully they get consumed sooner by Todrick temples than by death on the battlefield so yes yes it’s kind of personal but it’s I think this is a good moment to share it but basically my personal contract path is one of deep Devotion to goddess and and she has sort of appeared to me and in very repeated pattern forms of the fierce goddess Kali and there is some you know the archetypes you could say that they’re just archetypes or you could potentially feel like there’s a real intelligent Consciousness in an entity in the scriptures when they kicked its ass when it comes to life if you say the mantras you’re you’re born do you know if you say these mantras this is going to happen and he may get stuck upside down so serious yeah there’s there’s a place for for all of these Sam Davey experiences in in one’s initiation when where where I’ve sort of been you know guided is through Devotion to do to her is the sense that the the gay subculture in the world is gaia’s best hope for salvation and transformation because there is a I guess the divisions that I have been given is it in plain language been you you have to be instrumental in bringing Tantra and and this ecological perspective the permaculture design and sustainable gardening and architecture helping to facilitate more exposure to Tantra and sustainability within the world of the queer space which I’m absolutely a part of because there is it’s it’s a it’s a lot to be stereotypical to overgeneralize of course but I’m too just acknowledge that that the the queer realm is the domain of the goddess in so many ways and it’s a it’s a softer cell to say hey let’s all go out go out and grow beautiful garden together and sustain each other so that we can all be in love all the time and so with that said I’m I’m just thrilled that we’re having this conversation and I’ve been my practice save you know there’s a lot of people that I have started a pan sexual Tantra Meetup Group in LA and there was a lot of interest in these in these Explorations and there’s certainly in West Hollywood where they called Boys Town you know that’s a whole a whole just dripping with with opportunity to be in a very powerful leverage point for the planet to heal from more Consciousness there so I’m just curious than is it is a question from this event that ecological Consciousness and the design Consciousness the Aesthetics that are so stereotyped about oh you know the flower arrangers in the hairdressers in the this meticulous drive to have beautiful fun Trey Aesthetics you know there’s a that Temple Builder is the essence of the Sacred geometrical temple building Sacred Space designing impulse let’s give the power to those who are wanting to honor the goddess energy and let it flow so do you feel like you have there’s momentum there and that you’re finding people who just get up get ahold of this energy and want to just beautify the planet and create more Sacred Space for to love and play in and how is that all going for you I would say I think the first thing is to I believe the where I’m at at the moment someone join with time traffic a man kind of see it’s kind of on the edge circle of of the identity of queer and I feel that in the last 20 years the relationship between queer and gay is gay has become more mainstream a more widely accepted they seem to have moved further away from their roots of queer you know for me and again I’m only talking personally that you know I’m queer for me represents oldest. Juiciness hold of that creativity oldest active ocean and as as you describe it in firm in terms of goddesses in Gaya Gaya sorry and I feel I feel that’s gay mainstream has lost its connection with on it square roots because it’s become more Wind Creek Atmore wind be accepted I would say that mainstream gay is almost become more heteronormative so I kind of feel I’m a nut in a personal opinion of what I’m saying and I believe the work that I do creates a bridge for mainstream gay man that’s my cake my core audience because I want to help them to explore that Divinity explorer that creativity explored the essence wake them up reminds them and make them show themselves in ways that they couldn’t even imagined before to shake off you know the conditioning in to shake off the the ideas that they need to come form in a certain way and it’s you said you need to shake off the idea that they need to conform to some form of stereotyping identify me what’s it the essence of that is what I’m really interested about is is the liberation of people is people finding their rank freedom beautiful beautiful well it said to be able to talk about these things and I really feel like you feel like there’s going to be a point where your training system is is able to be somehow franchised or where they could be chapters or would you see empowering more leadership Regional leadership so that there is just I think this goal is of having temples that are accessible all over the world and frosting this question I could see if you look at how am I supposed I started teaching in the UK I’ve no just going through a sizeable Investments to get my Visa to teach in the USA so you’ll see us offering a festival on the east coast and there’s many ways to get involved there any lucency mean I won’t bring workshops on the West Coast Oakland in June next year and in New York and Boston and also in the UK so that’s one way but the other thing that I haven’t told you about up to know is again I would you believe that everything I’ve ever learned from time traffic Amen on reinvested in and England I spent a considerable amounts of money building a social network on our website and you know we spent tens of thousands of pounds building this social network and basically it’s like Tom triffitt Antrim eats Facebook people join a social network for free that will automatically put into Regional groups so first of all they can see profiles and see as a man just like them that are in the same regions we have those regions all over the world different conversations that are going on in each one and then there’s all the other Facebook activities that you’d like things like messaging and special interest groups as a news feed you can like posts all the stuff you can do in Facebook we are able to do on all social network and the other thing that I’m about to launch in the next month is what we call tantric touch and love facilitators and what I want to do cross the world is to create local places where men can go and experience love and know that it’s going to be held from a place of quality know that it’s going to be held safely that has like an ethical framework and that is found read under it safe and inner my dream is to create as I sat across the globe a network of tantric touch and love facilitators that’s why I just finished writing it yesterday at my Aunt me to help her is uploading that in the next week so y’all could kiss you for asking that because that’s going to be training stuff in the US in October this year and in the UK in November this year so by the end of the year I kind of want to get this this community across the world if anybody’s listening feels that they in a want to contribute to the world and they want to contribute to that locally in to look at how to create more love you know maybe creating spaces of tops of Love of tundra on a monthly basis is a Hobie you know I’m I want to help you achieve that help you be your ambition yeah and you have the training in the background to relieve design the the architecture for I like the word that you said I’ve never heard it spoken that way before but now I’m going to definitely use it the idea of being found read that it’s taken care of it’s it’s it’s sort of a cassette container space where you know what to expect and there are there’s the supervision and there’s the I’m always talking recently was with the fellow tantrica instructor in and just using the word referee so that you don’t I mean a lot of people’s first experience if it said negative or awkward or confusing experience that where do you like you said you don’t like your teacher said if the intention isn’t very clear and the expectations aren’t very well laid out then it can be traumatizing really didn’t even the deeper the more like you say you’re concentrating everything so if you if you screw up in a ton truck container it’s an amplification can really be deeply fracturing and wounding and then and then turn people off from its this is as sacred as important as virginity if not more yes awesome will this is so exciting and then I guess I just have one last question that if we could if we could explore which is we both a touchdown and I think it points in a conversation and it’s actually a big passion of mine now is to sort of that psychology of if you can’t beat them join them you know I have a lot of critique of the mainstream porn industry and I feel that there is a lot of Tantra colleagues who lament the lack of more wholesome darisi tantric porn and it said it’s been a journey of immersion and Discovery for me to kind of hack into the establishment of the porn industry and try to figure out the legalities and the the technical aspect of it that production to Art like learn the art form and the legal kind of mine field what it is to be producing adult content but I’m getting to a point where the right people places and things and you know Divine blessings are coming together to make it happen to be able to compete with what’s out there in the more in a more Township way and I’m wondering if you have encountered men they could be adult performers they could be Studios they could be producers or just you know do porn connoisseurs who want to see says if I’m loyal listeners are heard of a guy call Davey Wavey I haven’t heard of Stevie way to make a star with I think over a million YouTube subscribers and for me he very much appeals to the generation black overheats and she’s kind of talking about everyday topics for gay and bisexual man and I just launched went with him on a a joint project where we created ignites in your sexual power and it’s a program of three films on and it uses them a beautiful mainstream gay porn Mexican cresada and what’s really interesting in that Fusion is I’m bringing my teachings to a Moulton filming all you know is like porn Anatomy filming meets Tantra and and we did this program website daymon.com or Tundra for gay men. Co. Uk and you can see the trailer in and see the work I’m on that for me when I talk about porn show me the main purpose of porn is to arrivals and you know I think that we’ve been shamed into watching in ashamed about what she gay porn and I think is is there some shocking percentage of internet traffic is actually poor I think it’s about sixty or seventy percent of internet traffic is is the use and you know rather than make it wrong and we have so many things in the world that make us wrong I don’t think anybody needs to feel wrong what Sheen gay porn I think or feel that people just need to wake up to its purpose the purpose of pain is to arouse and again on the YouTube channel I talked about earlier I have a whole conversation how much do you can use that arousal in tantric practice and I’ll give you some ideas and some techniques of how you can use that arrives old but unlike you been I have a real desire to work with a porterhouse to actually create some high-quality tantric adult content that is arousing and educating and really really beautifully done so I’m I’m open to any project ideas and I’m happy to provide the content I’m going to kiss you for saying that you know this without opening it a big can of worms here you know we’ll keep it concise but I will say to follow up this is a you know what a very important topic in any business any sort of marketing and they were talking about when you hire a start to endorse anything you’re leveraging their fan base and whatever a star make school because a producer of whatever whether it’s a new a new basketball shoe or a new health product a new energy bar or new way to make love to the Divine I know it’s all for sale and some of these performers you would be surprised how deep and Soulful they are a lot of them are doing yoga a lot of Summer yeah so you know the way that athletes have been you know like a NASCAR driver has got a million logos slapped all over their car and there it’s their uniform and everything it says when the time tricks get in the game a little bit step out of the cave in the ashram and start getting into modernities the flow of information it’s going to be a beautiful profound and just the before and after you know the before and after of a Kundalini experience that’s priceless media yes yeah I kind of boiled it down to my it might Shark Tank elevator pitches that Kundalini is the new money shot that’s my new motto Yeah well yeah on that note I think we’ve we’ve we’ve I feel like I’ve had a full-body orgasm non ejaculatory full-body orgasm just Feathering through all my cells and so I will in my commentary there and if you want to give any more shout shouts out or any other last words by all means and then we’ll we’ll call it a an episode I’m listening and yeah for me just to Corollas this is just that let me know for me love is the ultimate truth the ultimate race absolutely and if you’re not in love yourself rewrite it. 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