Monthly Archives: January 2019

Durga Mantra for the Distressed and Oppressed

Sharannaagata-Diina-Aarta-Paritraanna-Paraayanne
Sarvasy-Aarti-Hare Devi Naaraayanni Namostu Te

Meaning:
Salutations to You, O Jagadamba) You are Intent upon Rescuing the Distressed and the Oppressed who take Your Refuge whole-heartedly,
and Remove All their Sufferings; Salutations to You O Narayani

Sexorcism the Tantric Opera Episode 10 “Warrior Goddess”

She’s not easy prey
Holding pepper spray
Scanning her surrounds
Ready to stand her ground

Repelled by wild screams
Can’t get within arms reach
Rape artists beware
Fights like a momma bear

Predators
Will be on the run
Now that
She’s got a gun

You will learn
To stay away
Now that
Her dog is trained

Warrior goddess
Righteous rage, counter-offense
Warrior goddess
Fighting back, sacred violence

Our typical date
Is firing at the range
Then we hit the pads
And work on hand to hand

Fighting back to back
Loving eye to eye
Together we feel safe
Our love we fortify

Futurizing the Public Policy of Sex Work with Devika the Techy Tantrika TPP183

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In this episode I’m joined again by dear friend and tantric comrade Devika the Techy Tantrika for a discussion about the future of public policy for sex workers, sex educators, sex technologists, and more. We explore our mutual fascination for the study of how sexuality is regulated by policy makers who seem to have decreasing interest in consulting with the populations their laws affect the most. An emergent property of our convo is the fleshing out of a sort of verbal white paper outlining the problems we’re facing in the sex industry and the innovative solutions that are rapidly evolving in the sex tech space.

Check out our first episode for more info on her personal backstory:

https://tantrapunk.com/open-source-intimacy-with-devika-the-techy-tantrika-tpp131/

About Devika:

Devika J. Singh/The Techy Tantrika is a Tantric Sex and Self-Relationship Coach as well as a Performess. Her diverse creative endeavours as well as her views on holistic sex, intimacy, self-relationship and self-care have culminated into the one-on-one online coaching practice she has today. Devika’s unique take on traditional and Neo-Tantric practices along with her continuous dedication to providing commentary on tech trends that affect the way we date and intimately connect shine through in her YouTube video series where she provides Tantric sex and dating advice to her audience.

You can find Devika’s YouTube sex+dating advice video series at youtube.com/thetechytantrika

Follow her Instagram at:
http://www.instagram.com/thetechytantrika

You can also find out more about her coaching practice and writing at devika-singh.com

Topics we discuss include:

  • the future of age verification regulation and innovations in blockchain tech
  • the hyper regulation of fosta/sesta
  • https://www.woodhullfoundation.org/
  • statistics of harm reduction in decriminalized sex industries
  • how criminalization of websites pushes sex workers back into the hands of pimps
  • the risks to sex workers increasing as regulations take away online reputation and client vetting systems
  • with more rights, sex workers can build more resilient safety nets
  • law enforcement is actually disempowered by fosta/sesta as they no longer have a places to gather evidence and conduct investigations
  • lessons from Nevada and Amsterdam sex work policy
  • December 17th International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project USA
  • Sex Workers Outreach Project Los Angeles
  • Sex work as a layer in the “software stack” that is modern civilization
  • the need for tantra corporate retreats to better facilitate the intelligent flow of sexual energy for increase productivity and team building
  • sex workers do God’s work
  • involuntary celebates Vice article
  • how sex workers prevent violence by providing much needed sexual outlets for those who’s sexually needs are unmet in relationships
  • the value of polyamory community to open public discourse on alternative relationship models
  • the importance of consent and how healthy sex industries facilitate consent best practices
  • the agility of technology and the slow rate of change in government sectors
  • the need for tantra instructors to have the same protections and freedoms as spiritual and religious leaders
  • how those in the sex industry have to live double lives and hide their sexual identity to fit into mainstream society, maintain or apply for jobs, etc.
  • how current systems are outdated and barbaric
  • how open-source and peer-to-peer technologies are creating new dimensions of freedom and empowerment
  • the libertarian sentiment: “stater’s gonna state”
  • Caligula’s regulation and taxation of brothels in ancient Rome
  • the potential for technology to prevent insurrectionary street battles with police such as in the origins of the gay rights movement and the Stonewall Riots
  • the need for tech savy sexuality educators, service providers and policy makers in the Nevada blockchain city
  • crypto billionaries building crypto social infrastructure in Puetro Rico
  • the Silicon Valley of Crypto in Zug, Switzerland
  • Joe Lubin’s sex positive attitude towards Ameen Soliemani and SpankChain
  • the sexual economics of the wild west and the evolution of brothels
  • how sex workers have generated the revenue for municipal projects, public works, and civil services in gold rush town
  • the progressive sex work policies in Australia
  • the tragic irony of how sexual health has evolved, and public policy around sex work has devolved
  • advocating for natural birth control methods beyond the rhythm method
  • revitalizing ancient sexual health wisdom and practices
  • how sex workers are better qualified to teach sex ed and safer sex
  • the history of witch trials and burning
  • the demonization of midwives for empowering women to have sexual and reproductive sovereignty
  • the often unexamined and unacknowledged negative side effects of birth control pills
  • ancient yogini cults of India and the rebellion of tantric witches in India
  • how marginalized women such as widows, prostitutes, and those who’ve escaped abusive relationships are a force to be reckoned with when they organize and band together
  • differences between neo-tantra and classical tantra
  • how 2019 will be the year of the sex witch
  • yoni steam baths with Steamy Chick
  • how midwives often become referees in hospital birthing situations where mother’s are mistreated and misinformed
  • the power of women in crypto and blockchain
  • the women of crypto track at the crypto invest summit
  • the southern california blockchain community and Blockchain Beach meet up
  • financial feminism in the crypto space
  • the hypocrisy of law maker sex buyers who legislate against sex workers
  • reverse doxing
  • the Ashley Madison hack
  • the notion that high profile clients should give back to support the decriminalization, unionization, health benefits, and other rights and amenities for sex workers
  • the notion of the techno shaman and their roles and responsibilities in protecting and defending the global cyber village
  • if good people don’t master tech, only the bad people will
  • future visions for goddess temples where sex is earned through meaningful local service to the women and the health of their families and their full life cycles
  • the political economy of making love not war and how throughout history love has been suppressed to create less attached soldiers
  • the under-representation of women in tech and computer science
  • the depressing statistics on venture funding and C-level employment for females
  • how a world with more balanced access to funding and corporate authority is as yet unimaginable, but we anticipate it to be much healthier, more beautiful, safe, and equitable, most importantly for sex workers and the sex trade

 

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 184 I’m being joined by Alejandra Aguilar and she is the health educator an HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and we sort of met at a recent sex workers Outreach project event on December 17th which was the international day to end violence against sex workers and there was a beautiful creative artistic kind of community building event that was held there and that was the first time I had visited the East last night Women’s Center and I was very thrilled to know that that the place exists and of the great work they’re doing there and Alejandra was hosting the event through the space and has some really powerful and moving things to say about the work that she does in support of women’s health in and sexuality health and education and so I was very moved and thought I’d reach out and see if she like to tell us a bit more about her personal background and about what the great works that are offered at the center there so I’ll a hundred thank you so much for joining me looking forward to hearing more about your story thank you thank you Ben and thank you for inviting me to be part of this podcast so as you mention my name is HIV counselor at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center and yeah I recalled that for a little over 42 years and one of the things that we always want to let people know is that this is a place where women silence is hurt for the community has their silence and so we decided to open up our space so that sex workers and their allies and come in and and have a safe place to meet and so I have been working in the field of HIV for in reproductive health for a little over 14 years and you know when I arrive to this country when I was 8 years old and one of the reasons why I’m very passionate about advocating for Women Health is because specially for the health and well-being and the needs of let me know is because many times Latinas specially Latinos who are aware of the services that might be out there to support them and so one of my one of my reasons for being an ally in in the the support of sex workers is to be able to avoid the needs of women especially one of the things that I did was I was a child care provider even though I was a child myself I used to babysit that the children of many sex workers women who were immigrants who worked up at sex workers and so I got to see a lot of the needs that a lot of the new show of the women and definitely a lot of them are children and so you know as I was getting older I decided to to look into this route of being of service to to the community by advocating for the needs of your penis growing up I got to see how special immigrant women for sexual abuse that shows fault interpersonal violence and definitely sexual explotation and when I started working at the East Los Angeles Women’s Center I thought this is perfect I get to work for an organization that is aligned with my beliefs and here I am 14 years into providing Services Organization advocating for the woman’s name well that is so powerful and thank you so much for sharing that and specially about your personal background ATS really moving to me I know that there that there is a lot of really strong feminist history and in feminist movement history around women sexual health and and support services and also and sort of sort of vaguely aware of different tensions that there have been within the feminist movement around 7 is sewer or not as supportive of sex workers or of women who were involved in the adult industry and some some who maybe are more supportive some curious if you have had to navigate any of those those politics within the women within the women’s movement about the sort of taboo subjective of the sex industry not necessarily you know I am very fortunate to be in this organization I’m very fortunate to have a strong network of providers that believe in advocating for everyone and when we say everyone it means every single person regardless of what they’re definitely here at the women’s center we do not see people for what they do we see them for who they are and so when we see when we see you know a sex worker we see them for who they are first and foremost a human being have to keep for them or what you would like and definitely no I haven’t encountered any of that it does not mean that it’s not the doesn’t accept them pretty sure there’s so many people that have encounter with you but I myself have not I’m really glad to hear that because I got that Vibe definitely that there was no judgment and no no sort of distance or or or judgment you about about that because it is so it is so much a part of life and people want to ignore it or people want to just hiding from it but it’s it’s a real serious issues I appreciate it very much that that you hold that space and and I want to thank you for doing that so if you could help us understand a bit about what the the most vital needs are of those those women who are doing work in the sex industry what are some of the things that people should know about as far as what they face on a daily basis and even ways that that people who are maybe just wanting to support them where are they they want to be allies how they can also be supportive but would definitely I cannot speak for everyone but I can’t I am able to speak for those who I have been fortunate and humble enough to provide services doing these are the Immigrant Latinos who work in the bars on the country has most of the time you asked about their needs what their needs are definitely there’s a lot of me to to provide them with resources resources and when I say resources what kinds of resources and support that they need to let them know about the right and to let them know that if they have been abused molested in any way that there is are places that can help them if they need just a space where they can just feel safe that there’s such a space about what we hope to who provides many of the women that we service the well-being overall well-being we are always concerned about their health their physical health or emotional health because we know that it can take a toll on their health specially those who work at night all we know that is if it can be difficult for them to to take care of that their help because the majority of them are also mothers and because they are mothers you know many times Latinas put the needs of their own meat how can I say it they put their needs before the needs of anyone else and they last one but they’re nice and so I want to advocate for them we also want to let them know that they have rights we hope to educate them about the right within the women that we service some of them are hiv-positive and so will support them we support them by providing resources for their help for them so that they can receive the services well thank you very much again for doing that work in something that I that I have been made very much aware of by my association with women who who would be considered those very strong feminist critique of the patriarchal economic structures and just the way capitalism works and how how this Empire is really built on on its own built on the backs of immigrant labor and and and from what you’re saying it’s also built on the bodies of the sex workers who who serve a lot of different types of male laborers and I’m wondering what if you care to share from your personal perspective what are some observations are inside sore or strong feelings you may have around what the what the role of men who may be there maybe they are sex buyers or maybe they are temps or maybe they are you know what and then you can any level of that economy do you ever have the opportunity to to Enlighten them or two to help them become more active in doing the support work for the for the women or what what is your feeling about the men who are just kind of you don’t hear a lot about the John’s or the Pimp C male a male and get you component we are thinking by myself a big advocate for making change in our communities mobilizing one of the one of the things that I do is when I am able to speak to groups of men and provide them with information writing with resources to do is to let them would like for them specially if they are consumers of the services of the women who are sex workers Michael is for them not to think of the women as object to know that there’s a story behind them that there that these women might have gone through many struggles am I making sense yes this is amazing I love to hear it to hear more about it cuz I feel like it’s so lacking it’s so lacking in that people actually try to educate them and whether it’s about using condoms or or being just mine. I’m being respectful this is Range Community and to use their voice to Advocate from them as well to use whatever privilege they have as meant to protect them to advocate for them that’s definitely one one of our pools and one of the things that we hope to accomplish is for for men to go beyond those gender roles that they are putting the moment they are born we want them to understand that they can break out of that box I agree with you yes wow so if that that thank you so much for sharing those insights that they’re really really touches my my heart and soul because I feel like I’m as myself as a sex worker myself I’ve been mistreated and abused and certainly I would have loved for the very wealthy the wealth of the wealthier of my clients to to be giving back and supporting nonprofit organizations that actually create a better life and more resources 400 why wouldn’t you why wouldn’t you give back to to like a trade Association it was helping you have a good experience in helping you get your needs met so hopefully yeah I’m excited to hear about what you’re doing over the other people will do that kind of Outreach as well so if we could talk a bit about the I feel like it’s it would be important to give some context for people listening to this what what the scope of sexual assault really looks like from your perspective you’re really seeing and I again am I feel very honored to speak with you knowing that you’re you’ve chosen to be putting yourself in a position to have so much exposure and really be very empathetic and very compassionate towards people who are in times of Crisis and some of the the most extreme trauma and current crisis so you could help to sensitize the listeners of this podcast to do some what it what is sort of typical cycle is when you have someone to say come in for services who is in trauma or crisis and in kind of what whatever is appropriate you know for you to share but that I think would be good for us to understand that means we started in 1976 and actually disorganization begin you know it was first bilingual confidential 24 hour 7 days a week crisis hotline to be able to service and provide support to survivors of sexual assault what we do is we have a hotline and call if they have just been assaulted molested or phrase taking cold even if it happened many years ago in another country we provide supporting the support looks something like this we we do Hospital accompany me to go to the hospital to provide support to the Survivor of rape and we’re able to see people all ages for survivors from a baby to someone well over the age of 90 we see that again we see them for who they are we see them as human beings Survivor and we are basically there to support them we allow them to have a safe safe space to come in and speak support when and if they’re ready mix someone is ready and they would like to come in and receive support we can provide them with counseling therapy and again we never tell them what to do we are there in their healing journey in the journey to heal I said we’re walking hand-in-hand with them so where’s that the healing path and soul Moana singing about in 2016 I remember in 2016 we provided services to over 10,000 women and children on the hotline movie about 2,200 called so we’re pretty busy if ever since that Open Door hotline has never closed and twice a year would provide training for people to become sexual assault advocate so that they can help survivors they can do hospital but also so that they get the keys for the needs of survivors important so after all of this exposure that you and your colleagues and peers with organization in and near the community of people that you’re connected with her your allies in Von forcement in the justice system and that the hospital system and the the sword I guess there’s also the social services and Family Services sectors of thumb of the county and in local local governments I’m curious if you could talk about some of the powder and some of the insides whatever you’ve been able to kind of a phone some conclusions you may have arrived at just about to the patterns of abuse and where you feel like the most effective interventions can occur on the preventative side of this issue how to do there’s definitely a lot to do but we definitely one of our one of them nothing’s that needs to happen to be able to to end sexual assault and domestic violence definitely HIV we need to end violence against women and homophobia swell we definitely know that if we end violence against women we end homophobia we are very well and then into the HIV epidemic we are definitely going to see Alright by very much agree with that and tell me what comes to mind from me for my personal experience in for my studies and I love to hear what you had what you would have to stay from your perspective Which is far more I would say far from a highly developed than mine because of the position that you that you’ve taken up and and I would say with what are your thoughts on the you mentioned machismo that’s something that I’m interested to hear more about what what that where that comes from and what you would how you would advise people to deconstruct that that sort of some aspect of violence in and then also alcohol and Andrew role that you feel that plays or substance abuse and how that feeds into the violence well it’s definitely a collaborative effort of everyone social service providers to law enforcement to every single every single person has a responsibility to an hour in one of the things we have are you aware of basically the women from targeted community wengage and Outreach and education and what they do is they increase awareness of sexual assault and resources and domestic violence victims and their families but they also bring awareness and so one of the things that that we have here in our organization in mind you all women that can be women that are actively working a sex workers women for HIV positive Housewives just about anyone and they go through this training where they learn about their culture how their cultural experiences shape their identity with a lot of focus on the Latino cultures and Value Inn in the experiences that they might have had growing up and still one of the things that we encourage them don’t is to look at what what are the values of culture that contribute in a positive way to to have better communities to to make them feel safe right it in to make a change in the world and to keep those we encourage them to look at the one that can be toxic that can be done that perpetuate and we encourage them to to look at both and decide which ones they want to keep which ones they want to transmit to other generation so we start with that beautiful well thank you for doing that as well in I’m curious if we could go to the next question which is the just to the prevalence of alcohol and domestic violence I think is pretty well well known that a lot of sexual assault and violence happened in in circumstances that are sort of fueled by drunkenness and I’m curious if you have thoughts on to substance abuse and alcoholism and how that how that affects the work that you do and the the the women that you support but we do know that it art again you know what we need people were there as we don’t we do not follow up a model of trauma-informed that means we are not going to shame people if they have issues with substance abuse know we can help them try to get to the root of why they’re they’re using or why they’re drinking rice I can tell you definitely my perspective from what I saw growing now I can tell you that issues with alcoholism are very prevalent with the with the women who work in the bar and the emptiness sex workers because that is part of their work in order to make a living they have to drink with the client and so many women that start working in the barn and the emptiness when they start working in the bar on the time peanut they have never you know in their life they have never had a drink but once they start working out of their job it’s how they make that living and some many of them develop alcoholism that’s one of the things that I saw and so you know if you if you asked to do it that many have a history of abuse or trauma that it don’t even know that they have this history of abuser, they don’t even know what to name those feeling you know very bad idea that depression you have a very difficult situation for for the person you know when one of these again that I hate that I was able to see I was able to see because of the lack of support and empowerment and resources available to this woman I saw in a bunch of this day I still seen any of them Works who no longer work in the calendar because there was no support there was no one to assist them teach them how to how to make a budget how to save the money or even how to invest some of them and not only that but a lot of them ended up with issues of alcohol yeah I hear you and that actually comes at least to my next question really which is about what you see as some of the the positive outcomes and the I would say to be clear I don’t believe that it’s wrong to be a sex worker ever see for myself I die in the part of the six work industry so there are some people would say well you just need to go to church and you need to quit the lifestyle and and and you need to leave it all behind you which I’m not I’m not here to say is this is right or wrong but but I will I will say that I’m very interested in what what 6 I think about the concept of a success story or someone who has overcome substance abuse or alcoholism in if they choose to remain active in the sex industry but I from a healthier place or if they choose to move beyond that I’m curious what you what are some of the pathways that you have facilitated or witnessed of of women who have become really empowered either is former sex workers or or or sort of sex workers in recovery what are some of the success stories that you would say that you’ve been a part of each other’s privacy and confidentiality if I can tell you that there’s this particular woman who is what after she became involved and after she was able to gather with other women saw other women like herself all about the right person for most of the human bean learn that there is nothing to be ashamed of learn to speak remind learn to Advocate Parker cell I was able to see an amazing transformation this is a person who now is able to speak up for herself this is someone who is able to negotiate pay for sex which I think it’s amazing to see this is someone who if she feels that someone is making her feel ashamed because of what she does she’s able to speak up she doesn’t know her head as she used to be for not just that but her priority priority priority herself above anything else in that include making better decisions when it comes to drinking that our decisions for her mean eating what you drink tea not not drinking as much as she used to before that you will forget to take her medication doesn’t make sense that is In N safety she she has been able to say she now has a savings account which is tremendous you know because now she’s planning or for the years I had to fight absolutely well I’ll take you out to other women beautiful well that’s that’s very good to hear and thank you again for doing that and just maybe a couple few more questions one will be going back to the the other half of the equation which is the the male role in and all of this into client role so I sounds like you’re yeah you have a lot of experience working with women who were in that that culture of the bar and cantina world and so like you said that there will be drinking is just part of the job and I’m curious if you if you could reach into the heart and soul of the the male clients and understand where they’re coming from and if they would maybe intergenerational trauma or or personal issues that they may be dealing with in and if we were to make if we were to all be working together to create more empowered and more conscious and then we’re healthy men and male clients and then maybe they would maybe this sounds ridiculous I guess but but I would love to see a world where where sex work is is legal and where people clients and and and service providers could meet up at a healthy juice bar or something or like a farmers market or something you know where it’s it’s not always in the context of of alcohol and that kind of sort of sector and so I’m just curious if when you think about this and when you work in this in this world if you do you have any advice for four men who are just maybe this sort of their kind of being set up or something I don’t know why I don’t know what you how you feel about just the whole the nature of that in of that that world of the the bar scene in the all that wouldn’t be able to provide education you know when I go out and we have those messages that week we share with with menopause sensitive to have healthy relationships with all the people in their life okay and do would you say while we’re on the topic of the Mennonite and I appreciate it and it sounds like what needs to happen is that more more men need to step up and organize and do Outreach it’s you already sounds like you’re already very your hands are full working with women and it sounds like that would be good for more men to anybody listening who has that the resources or the means to to do more Outreach Two Men and hopefully that will that will happen and I would say I just want another question just while we’re on the topic is if you if you feel like there is do you feel like a lot of the men who are of War buying the sexual services at women are they are they not really functional in their in their their own marriages that are on family life and are they I guess I don’t know like I said the other is there anything you can say about about the profile or the sort of in the attitude or the State of Mind of the mail client server or are they just a lot of single man to hoodoo don’t have a wife and that therefore they had they feel like they have to get through the day but with a beer you know with getting some drinks and inviting some sex and again there is so much so much change that needs to happen in one of them against the things that I be all that needs to happen from what I saw you know growing up in a very traditional community at 8 I was born in Mexico and I grew up in the town I was very religious it was okay for men to go to a bar in to go to La Cantina to look to spend some time with women right because many of them felt have to ask for certain things from their wives or their girlfriends was disrespectful and so they grew up thinking that the women that worked in the bar in the Campina where it was okay to have certain things of them right certain sexual things or even just to drink with them right again that idea that the women that worked in the casino or less than the women that are at home but that should not be the case that we can community that there’s this idea that yeah I’m going to go to the bar I’m going to go to the one with her right or she will be willing to deliver for a Spur to do and I cannot ask my wife to do that because she’s a good wife or she’s a good woman or she’s going to get offended if I ask her to do certain things when it might be very well that her wife at home or at home is wishing he will do those things with her because of how she grew up in this box that she was playing through gender role that don’t ask for something sexual well your violence violence that that if you are a good wife you would not dare ask for any of that and so that’s one of the things that I’m very passionate about teaching women again we let you know when it’s okay to to look for pleasure it’s okay to have conversations with your partner about certain things it’s okay to explore as long as you are both okay in the end it’s okay to look for a relationship with someone who is not going to feel threatened if you ask for certain things for your own pleasure well that is really powerful and I appreciate you saying that that really means a lot that really helps me understand a lot better and I hope I hope we can move towards that and and I appreciate the work you’re doing to create that space to explore and understand and and change the is paradigm so you’re so another question I have for you which is kind of this kind of extraordinary but I like to I like to do you know what some people call a thought experiment where you just think about what obviously you have you have some budgetary constraints and you have people power constraints but if you and your team or your colleagues the people you work within your organization if you somehow we’re blessed with the resources and the even just to say you won the lottery or something absurd like that but it was just say you had you had really almost Limitless potential or and Empower even politically to say okay this is all of this is all of the wisdom that we have and these are the proposals that we have and and if you just had what what you need to talk about investment and whatnot so if there was a if there was a venture capital firm that says we really think what you’re doing is important and we feel like that there is a benefit to society to have you you all have more resources and really if you if you had almost Limitless budget what are some of the things that you would do to to accelerate and grow and expand you know your services in certainly how I mean I would love to see since having been to the place you know your location I would love to see myself I would love to see you have more more acreage you no more land and something like the weirdest El Centro Farm was there some place where you can have Community Gardens in actual herbal Gardens in and healing natural areas and places for meeting that we’re outside and there were also safe and also had security so that’s just kind of what comes to my mind but I’m curious what you would do or what you would sort of dream up if you had almost no limits to what you can imagine wow there’s so much that we will definitely do love I can tell you that with a bigger budget we will definitely be able to since we will not have waiting list for four clients to to enrolled into into a program but definitely one thing will be to to increase to provide more support for the women that are hiv-positive because of budget I’m talking about financial support very limited women are always left behind and yet they’re the ones that love to see more help women’s health programs that are more sex-positive that are inclusive of sexual trauma Empower women to advocate for their sexual health definitely expand more men’s healing talking circles where they can wear the men pink and strengthen the relationship that we would love to see that but definitely if there was no monetary restrictions more more a healing circles or for women where they can talk about their health advocate for the health including their sexual health awesome thank you so much for sharing and I’m hoping that all of your dreams will come true you’re suddenly during such important and if I don’t work in the community and so yeah I wish you absolutely the best moving forward and hopefully yeah we’ll see each other again and then more more collaboration will happen that will be mutually supportive within our communities do you have any closing words you’d like to share and then also do you want to share the website URLs and any other links or any other ways to connect that would be great bilingual 24-hour hotline anyone can reach this hotline 24/7 the number is 800 5856 231 once again is 800-585-6231 and our website is www.ladwp.com org once again is so absolutely yes sir I appreciate it’s been an honor and do you have any last closing words you like to say is just a call to action or or things that you feel like if if people knew in NC could hear this voice than they would they would they would want to step up and and I guess it was before we say that you are a 501 c 3 charitable non-profit so donations are tax-deductible am I correct that we are especially in need of support because we have the only shelter in the mission where people can can go if they have just been sexually assaulted or if they have just landed on the hospital and they’re afraid to go back home or back to where the perpetrator or abuser is and we definitely need a lot of support for that our women’s HIV program a lot of sports comidas up with some sort of supporting in the dollar if you can share our website with others or even our Facebook page elawc please go ahead and do so we will be very grateful thank you so much Alejandro I think that was a really good introduction to all of the the work you’re doing and I hope that’s a lots of good things come from this and hopefully we will have meet again and and maybe we can follow up again and have you back on sometime in the future talk about some new developments and hopefully there’s there will be a lot more a lot more great things happening in the future so thank you again for your time and we’ll be in touch okay bye bye thank you for listening to the touch of Honey Pot www.entrepreneur.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temple in every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Surviving the Hyper-Regulation of the Internet with Adult Industry Attorney Corey D. Silverstein TPP182

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In this episode I’m joined again by leading adult industry attorney Corey D. Silverstein. He’s an outspoken advocate for free speech, creative freedom, and sexual expression.  He graciously took time out of his busy schedule to bless us with some critical updates and advice. We cover several of the most pressing regulatory issues, both domestically and internationally, that are changing the game of compliance for website owners and operators in the adult industry and beyond.

This episode builds on our two previous podcasts which are definitely prerequisites to fully appreciate the depth of wisdom Corey has cultivated over a nearly 15 year practice:

https://tantrapunk.com/attorney-corey-d-silverstein-discusses-some-best-practices-for-porn-production-tpp123/

https://tantrapunk.com/the-evolution-of-crypto-with-adult-industry-attorney-corey-d-silverstein-tpp138/

About Corey:

Corey D. Silverstein is the managing and founding member of the Law Offices of Corey D. Silverstein, P.C d/b/a/ Silverstein Legal.  His practice focuses on representing many areas of the law that impact the adult industry.  His clientele includes hosting companies, affiliate programs, content producers, payment processors, website operators, dating websites, webcam sites, traffic brokers, social media websites and performers, just to name a few.  Mr. Silverstein regularly provides legal services related to: age verification and record keeping requirements (18 USC 2257), intellectual property (copyrights and trademarks), the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, the Restore Online Shopper’s Confidence Act (ROSCA), Federal Trade Commission (FTC) compliance, first amendment / free speech, obscenity, corporate law, criminal defense, internet law, domain disputes and various other areas of the law.  Mr. Silverstein is an acclaimed litigator and dispute resolution specialist. His practice also concentrates on complex contracts, business structure, and business formation.  Mr. Silverstein prides himself in providing prompt and aggressive representation tailored to each of his clients’ individual needs.  Mr. Silverstein is regularly featured in adult industry periodicals such as AVN and XBIZ and has been quoted and published in mainstream media including the New York Times, FOX News, MSNBC, the Miami Herald, the Washington Post, the Detroit News and the Associated Press.  Mr. Silverstein is also a regular speaker at conferences throughout the world (United States, Canada, Colombia, Netherlands) and has made countless presentations related to topics and issues that affect the adult industry and online marketplace.  Amongst his numerous professional affiliations, Mr. Silverstein is a member of the First Amendment Lawyers Association (FALA). Myadultattorney.com is a website dedicated to the representation of adult industry clientele. Mr. Silverstein can be reached through Myadultattorney.com or by email at corey@myadultattorney.com. Mr. Silverstein can also be contacted by telephone at 248-290-0655.

Here’s an outline of topics and sentiments we discussed:

  • fosta/sesta
  • the fate of backpage.com
  • the constitutional challenge to fosta
  • blackballing, chilling effects of fosta/sesta
  • tumblr dumps adult
  • the crack down on social media for certain words, images
  • opportunities for decentralized crypto based market share
  • reminder of the”black curtain” days of video stores where it felt embarrassing to access adult content
  • civil litigation pretty stagnant in adult industry
  • current administration’s lack of obscenity prosecution
  • GDPR why it exists, and how difficult it is to implement
  • how major regulation has been long time coming
  • but website owners have haven’t prioritized preparing for it
  • the need to seek professional advice
  • Silverstein legal provides advice on how to be compliant
  • people not taking GDPR seriously enough
  • constant high level data breaches in the news
  • big fines are coming for GDPR violations
  • the failure of industries to self regulate brought this on
  • Chicago tribute geo blocking GDPR countries
  • updating privacy policy is not enough
  • California coming out with similar privacy/data protection law
  • pressure on the US federal govt to create its own version of GDPR
  • it’s not gonna get better, it’s gonna get worse
  • you need to have a professional review you privacy protection policies from the ground up
  • ransomware insurance
  • Corey’s been warning for many years about the need to get more serious about anti-sex trafficking and child protection measures for online businesses
  • 2257 didn’t come out of thin air, it came out because the adult industry failed to self-regulate
  • the weaknesses of virtual private networks (VPNs)
  • how there’s really no such thing as complete anonymity online
  • their motto: don’t wait til it’s too late
  • how the 2257 battle has been going on over 10 years
  • recently a judge has indicated a large portion to be unconstitutional
  • stay tuned, keep waiting keep watching, keep complying
  • 2257 reform will not be an overnight thing
  • there’s a lot of litigation to go
  • for the time being,  it would be a lot more difficult for the government to pursue 2257 violation, but the advice is that you still you have to be prepared to comply
  • New Hampshire and The Free State Project
  • The hopeful but not certain future of sex work decriminalization in NH
  • we all hope that a little less conservatism in this country would be a good thing for all
  • beyond the lawyer jokes, attorneys are there to assist with the right information so you can make the right decisions
  • people need to start going to more reliable sources from experts
  • people need to ask questions to the experts if you’re in high risk businesses
  • spend the time to educate yourself on the laws and regulations
  • meet and consult with Corey at the Xbiz show 2019
  • Rooftop Rager party sponsored by Mojo Host and Silverstein Legal

Metal, Hardcore, Punk, and Bitcoin with Peter McCormack TPP181

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In this episode I’m joined by my new brother in metal, Peter McCormack, host of the What Bitcoin Did podcast. His podcast is one of my top favs in the crypto space and it’s been awesome hearing him drop references to his roots in same underground music scenes that that I’ve grown up in.

He shares about his personal journey of political awakening through the messages in the lyrics of some of his favorite bands and how he got into crypto and podcasting. I was deeply moved by his heart wrenching story of having to be an outlaw to aquire Bitcoin so he could help his ailed mother by purchasing contraband natural herbal medicine.

We discuss the origins of Bitcoin partially being in BitTorrent and how Metallica’s lawsuit against Napster may have been a key catalyst to the evolution of crypto-currency.

We also talk shop about some of our favorite bands, his intentions for wearing a Master of Puppets shirt to the SEC, the future of crypto use-cases for bands and artists, the do-it-yourself spirit, the solidarity among hardcore fans of the 80s and 90s, the Proof of Keys event, and much more.

Please visit his website and podcast at:
https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/

And find him on Twitter at
https://twitter.com/petermccormack

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 181 and I’m being joined by Peter McCormick of the what Bitcoin did podcast and that’s a very interesting set of synchronicities that brought us together in this moment mainly that of all of the cryptocurrency commentators and podcast this and thought leaders that I’ve come across I only very few have really bridge the gap in my life between the politics and the the energy and the Rage of punk rock and hardcore and metal and so is a breath of fresh air when I heard Peter talk about it and start checking out some of his some of his post and what not and and realize that there is definitely some Synergy to talk about the the relevance of these Underground Music cultures and movements in and how how that has informed the politics of technology and how there’s now opportunities for 4 for an interesting interchange of of more of the geek year folks with in the technology development seeing and in some of the more like I’m Nan not as technical folks but people that have same ethics of Liberation and empowerment and a lot of those memes have been have been cultured in in the underground music scene since it’s just a great topic to discuss I’m really excited about it and with that said I’ll just say Peter please tell us, about your personal story how you evolved how you got into metal crypto and everything interesting along it was an easy decision cuz Uncle very few friends left into the Sky music is miso any chance to talk about Punk Ogle meso is it was a pleasure say thank you for that my journey to Ponca I told you about this before was very quick quick migration through a team Soo to discover in the bank by assets so the first metal song I got into Europe The Final Countdown absolutely love that song and my dad is going out and pull me to Europe album back in the day when you had the cassettes your you remember that so I used to listen to the album relentlessly and I was like who these guys with long hair I’ve been discovered Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet dream I had a poster of tempests and a poster of Jon Bon Jovi next to each other both with full makeup long hair and I was like man this stuff is amazing so I had a very short. Of time as a Glam rocker but then my first Iron Maiden song and quickly kind of went through a few of Maiden albums I think it was like Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son of the Seventh Son and then Konig already deep into remember no prayer for the dying love for the album Number 1 in the UK and then from there I started watching hip Angus bull and discuss Guns N Roses Guns N Roses with a massive deal for me cuz that was about the age where I was able still going to come see us and they ended up releasing the usual Lucien albums so I ended up kind to Milton Keynes to wash my best console which was Guns N Roses the cult Soul Asylum in The Blind Melon No Rain by Blind Melon do they were kind of moron the alternative site is incorrectly it wasn’t that dress you everything because the first time I saw her alive so he kind of never forgot that I just kind of rushed and they came out so loving that and then I was watching Headbangers ball on why hasn’t came on and they have this song punishment with a wheel jumping over the Brooklyn Bridge and I was like what the hell is this is kind of metal but this is but they’re not dressed like messages and I wish I’d become a skateboarder in the times I was wearing kind of what would you say like she knows I have to chain belt with the wallet over in like baggy t-shirt so I wasn’t dressing like a melon but listen to metal when does hardcore think I’m in the wrong and it was like these people dressed like me and then listen to a full of mess with this kind of a little bit ratty so it’s a little bit cooler and I was kind of like just discovered like Cypress Hill on onyx and House of Payne all this kind of stuff converged at one time and I felt like you could be a meth lab but be kind of cool to the same time and then yeah then I went deep into hardcore I never left if I tell you what happened with Hulk off of me I was quite interesting was the next song I had a bye bye has over this song Shades of Grey and it opens with there is no black and there is no white and all well that’s only Shades of Grey no racism fuck racism you know and then when she still going for that music and go to these messages about like positivity and you know I know discrimination and I was like this is cool like the other stuff I listen to it like me listen to Guns N Roses song about taking drugs and partying to attach myself to the lyrics but then I was listen to buy a house and it was all kind of like messages and positivity and I can get behind some of the messages are bit over-the-top right but from there then I discovered Earth Crisis and that was like a really big deal for me cuz that was like the next step. I never managed to do the whole stretch think I kind of wanted to but might have a beer but I was told he would then message right like even though it wasn’t straight edge I totally got the message I told you going to see and understand what they would do in you know I’d come down to lunch my first one the first times I was about to go to London and we have this skateboard shop income and Garfunkel Slam City skates I went in there and the dude with the downstairs talk what you got is like if you heard of prices is like even need this in your life and he gave me a couple of The Firestorm EP I like if you know of Crisis like everyone annoys us a song as far as I know you know what it was I had my Discman members that used to jump you have to be really steal to listen to the next in kept jumping so so I was like yeah I was like I was in the hog who I was until the straight-edge I listen to the skate music not so much the punk and hardcore like I was never really Gorilla Biscuits never really cro-mags although it was all kind of more like by Isaac snapcase Integrity of Crisis 25 to Life sick of it like in the next wave who came through and yeah I never stopped listen to Listen to I listen to today by listen to the motive and listen to Summer hits of genres like I’d really like some of that moved at school like I like I love Norma Jean Architects the song I’d like anything which is methyl pump meso hog whole mess will that that’s me and yeah I guess you were so you see the crossover to print 7 and I guess I kind of always been this how do I put it without sound like an idiot like a middle-class and a kiss right like I mean I watch hard they put me into a good school gave me everything I could possibly want you know we didn’t have a lot of luxury the weirdest solid upbringing so I was you know I was going to school while surrounded by Rich Kids and kids you know it’s kind of fell a little bit of felt like I was trying to read Noam Chomsky and get into Noam Chomsky and struggled but I did read a lot of jumping the Injustice is always kind of I don’t know sometimes I’m a Fool maybe I’m I’m a bit too much of a socialist which of the Libertarians and Bitcoin hey but I’ve always felt like this in justices I wish I could do them all to help and I was like to be a little bit Anna kiss the rebel you know if I got my hands tattoos you know if I go to a meeting I’m going in there with my child so I went to the SEC interview has to pay is in my Metallica t-shirt like the most things in my car I want to stick two fingers up the system by Carnival line but then. Came from under privileged background or anything I just think it cost me something inside of me but I definitely see that hole you know the similarities between crypto anarchism in hardcore punk awesome yeah me too but that’s why I feel like it’s a I have the same same feelings and thoughts about the that the tension between libertarianism in an anarcho-capitalist and then the the more socialist more communal kind of collectivist sometimes even I would just I guess it’s probably the influence of Marxism and anarchism in the the politics of Street Punk and even the metal bands no talking about smashing the state in in different ways but it’s it’s interesting at the go and start joining the crypto movement and seeing that there’s this super well-established very successful wing of the event Turkish movement that is actually not eating out of dumpsters and begging and doing the Sid Vicious thing or the self-destruct paternalistic political philosophy of anarchism like to really negative and really hopeless there is a lot of that narrative in in the punk seems that I was involved in and going out for the yeah I get that so how have you ever had so cool I mean I saw the picture of you at the SEC with the master of those least so I don’t like wearing a suit I used to have a company and write a business partner and he was great we work very well together like I was I was always the one with the ideas like a hundred ideas take them back to make some happen anymore but I never wore suits I was always in t-shirt and jeans I was always like look I’m coming as maybe I’m coming Roar and I’m going to give you everything I’ve got right I’m not going to wear a costume I guess that maybe that’s that I can smoke pot and I’m not going to wear a costume like if I’m going to Barclays for meeting I’m done with me I’m going to bring your suits on to see all but as soon as long as I’m getting married because I think I want to look at the car or put a suit on cuz I’m going to someone’s wedding cuz I want to be respectful of that passes wedding cuz I respect them but if you’re asking me for me saying you’re no better than me and I’ll know better than you want to come with me and you guys even like if we do business great but I’m not dressing up what happened with the CC think some people said to me oh was that like we were master puppets is like a hidden message and it was like know who knows no way they could that would be very disrespectful to Hester has to give me the interview know it was I’m not too bad Bobby Axelrod in billions like I don’t know if you remember this monster puppet Steve smells like I like him like he’s a capless he doesn’t give a fuck if you liked his master one that’s me so I’m going to I’m going to wear mine and I’m going to a picture NECC wearing wearing the T-shirt because I think for me it was like it was a good combination of the anarchism of like cryptocurrency Bitcoin alongside the kind of State corporate government regulate regulatory side of the SEC and I just thought it’s like it’s a really nice manager of the two and I just thought I would be big for a really cool picture and thought it was no way to disrespect as the past with some people feel cuz I have nothing but respect for the rice am I really appreciate her work so I think she probably appreciates it too and maybe who knows she could be a headbanger in and just as opposed to buy Metallica t-shirt have to wear a suit without a will kick you out if you turn the fan on you know I just having a fast right now about Megadeth and the politically insightful covers that they had with their I can’t remember if they had a name for their mascot but it was it was kind of like the Eddie of iron maiden’s they had the skeleton with the bolted eyes shut and all in all these different corporate contacts there was one reason wearing a suit peace sells but who’s buying that and images I just feel like this is is it’s almost like an album cover you know that that’s why the you were born but the first one they have a bull myself was the single for Hangar 18 by Megadeth which to me now is a time of it’s still an incredible song the amazing and I still want to go running cuz I’d like to run like my first song I usually put on it’s going to be coming to get me, and it’s usually one two three song it’s either this song by Machine Head the blackening in the reason for that is because I just a minute song I like you know when I’m when you’re running to songs you always conscious of how much time he sounds like for 5 minutes yeah if I listen to the blackening of John 11 minutes when that’s gone and I’m happy right I’m willing to the run but if I need to pick me up these are they going to be Hangar 18 by Megadeth course Pantera song I still listen to Megadeth Hangar 18 when I go running I pulled that song. 2016 is a guy on cassette this is so this this is really getting to the heart of what I want to touch on which is that there is so much frustrated Punk and metal antagony towards the state and the man and the system and it wasn’t it wasn’t so well articulated about the fed and the banks and globalization and all that stuff but it’s I’m I would just be dying now to hear what Dave Mustaine and Jay set field and all of the other thought leaders in metal have to say about this moment of opportunity if they if they could read the Bitcoin whitepaper and you know what is leading up to this interview when I was thinking about just meditating on the value of Howell metal and punk has shaped my attitudes towards the estate and money and all that and I thought about how there would be no big coin if it wasn’t for Metallica going on the Rampage against Napster thus creating BitTorrent isn’t that a trip have you ever thought about that how that that whole kind of klusterfuk happen and that was it, I started Napster Sean and unlock Maps my slot with my best mate and we discovered that I was just like download whatever you want instantly I loaded up on you or you might not remember this the first MP3 player was the Diamond Rio and you would load it up with your songs are you get anything instantly and it was just like this is incredible Metallica try to shove them down at 5 and I was like yeah Metallica lesson and I was always comes and Roses when it comes roses be Metallica I was with Guns N Roses I’m at Metallica Guns and Roses were a bit more treble I don’t know why but I always remember when the MTV Awards are on metallic are in the crowd of showing finding comes out like after he stay suit him he comes out and I was like yeah sure that’s going well played the great thing about Metallica suing Napster is is the whole centralized V decentralized and centralized right you could sue it to close it down and then you go to all these things like this hard you can close down batard to this day you can go on any number of mirrored Pirate Bay’s and use your eye like a VPN and just access to download stuff for free you can still do it because it’s orange is decent why won’t see centralized it was not what I know is like Metallica exposed to flu in the Napster motor which United Torrance have this is exploited By The Crate so make sure the kids to bed write this is so fascinating and you wouldn’t except for In This Moment of real metal Geeks would you actually I mean it wasn’t in the Satoshi white paper and he’s like thanks to Metallica for pushing the technology forward towards peer-to-peer distributed networks for you could free pizza the systems that are decentralized in Camp and have their head list they can’t they can’t be arrested they can’t be brought down because you would have to take down the internet and you had to take down everybody participating internet and so yeah it’s quite a fascinating history with just that moment that says neglected invite a lot of people to know if you saw a point completely off topic but just while we hit it cuz it’s just like that to me like a man oh yeah right did you ever read the inlay card to Countdown to Extinction Ikea it’s not it’s not too coming to me right now off to bed now you know what I want to see cop kicked out of Metallica you know he just he lost Willy Wonka golden ticket right now and then he sees Metallica just go from strength-to-strength like they release ride the line with him to the mall and then they were days Ride the Lightning but then they were these pop hits and then they release Injustice for on the black guy I need just become huge right all right. But he wanted that was number one album in a to validate himself that like Megadeth Countdown to Extinction because that we how was nowhere came what’s his name Ricky whatever I lived Livin the Vida Loca what does it say Ricky Ricky Martin you know the Latina Danza tell me the Vida Loca you know the song Outside Inside Out released in the same week of Megadeth by Puritans like it may be that the one we got it they would have the us out for number one and they didn’t answer that day I know it cuz I know you always feel sorry for him because he he like he was in Metallica he lost the golden ticket to the Chocolate Factory and he did it again he did start another band who had epic amounts of success and I just kind of always felt sorry for that mistake sorry I taking a completely off topic that a lot of people that know that pop maker test and I think I think they should actually know I’m all into this man where this is all this is all point because the reason I was thinking about that reference to the history of Napster and in Metallica is that at that beautiful documentary some kind of monster they go into all this stuff and they showed the moment where Dave Mustaine I believe it was Lars Ulrich and Dave Mustaine are hanging out and processing with a therapist the the agony that he fell out but that’s how these things evolve a tub and of all that mean y’all say I’ve been in bands for most of my life and I have experienced all these different dimensions of you know you do what you got to do when you got to do it and yeah it’s it’s it’s it’s a trip if we can move into some of the this is what I find so fascinating is the the way that punk and metal we could talk about the the economic theories that are that have been I mean very effectively pumped out to the masses with with all of these like the way that if you’re if you’re into Punk and metal and you see a business suit you see that that as a representative of the state of capitalism of everything that you’re supposed to be smashing into Extinction and from this so many different bands that have anthems about about politics and economics in various forms of ecological social environmental rights environmental justice and less definite it’s just a for me it was always a a disempowering kind of narrative that you know will never succeed Will Never Be A revolution is kind of a fantasy and will always just be disgruntled about being even if we’re not impoverished we’re still sort of like trapped within this Illuminati thing and it’s just been raised and rebellion and but but not very sophisticated and there was nobody in the punk and metal scene that would have said to me like yeah you should have to go study economics you should go study technology and computer science and and you will be able to liberate yourself with math and with cryptography and know that there that just reminded me of a band as well that I didn’t even mention in the list of company about the Gulf Coast Punk and hardcore a mess with people I always explain one bad news I think probably the most important punk bands of the hotel right always always get people to scream a special proper punks rice Punk is Rage Against the Machine I know I’m always liked was no no then they just an empty V band and I’m like know what they did is they bridge messel and no mess they made Maxwell open to everybody else and they came with such a powerful strong message and in some ways like through everything I’ve listened to like my entire history music there is one album that that has been a constant staple and that’s been rage against machines rage against machine every single song is good which is very very rare these days you know I struggle with his name five albums that every single song is good but on the album every single song is good on this time is a test of time they could go on stage now play the whole album now and it would sound like who is known for their instruments no one else has done and they will come in with a message and they will go and pick us everyone they shut down Wall Street I mean that’s not a punk bands like yeah but you have to know exactly where his roots right he was an inside out across the punk band but he did rage against machine is a benefit from it what he has a punk Oracle background like he was in that scene rage against machine is a pom pom to me I tend to agree with you yeah actually I I was blessed to be at the the DNC protests where they were they were instructed by the lapd’s that if they did anything to incite a riot they will be culpable I didn’t see that that may have been but this was La around 2001 I believe in and it was so yeah it was beautiful man people took to the streets it was like this massive breach of thousands and thousands of people right in the heart of downtown LA and just flanks of Riot cops and just say I’m here for you in and out to be in suits chlorella is placing my favorite place in the world Twitter is in Venice somebody apartment Adventist you know he’s one of these weird places right that most people when they get it cuz they get there they go to Hollywood and that life is that it and then they don’t know what to do with themselves cuz it’s not together you can walk from Grand Central to Central Park and you go to La you have to live if a live that and you have to go to Venice and Santa Monica and downtown and discover these little balls outside restaurants will go to Calabasas will go for a hike you have to be there for a while to understand what I asked about and I think once you’ve list that you got a few Consciousness as a tourist we get it almost everyone I know it said that it was a disappointment pause a good point yeah it’s it’s more about it’s it’s very laterally spread out because there is the space and it’s not just as some islands you know what people on the East Coast so used to weigh more vertical and stacked kind of ant farm kind of living and I love these goes to you know I’ve been there number times mostly touring with bands and experiencing that that sector but I agree that the la la the geography of the LA culture it’s it’s you got to you got to spend time getting yourself around in and digging event the rage against machine man love that band I agree and I think they’re under there was a time I think the topic of you know a lot of people in the deepest underground scenes are just very hostile towards success and that’s another sort of shoot yourself in the foot problem you know there was a documentary called punk attitude and I think it was it was expressed at some point in their that’s like punk rock seems to have a sort of debilitating resistance to success and so people just want to kill themselves and drown themselves in the bottle and and drugs because is the success kind of distorts their sense of being the underdog and there’s no confidence there and if the other genres hip hop never had a problem scaling up to huge success and even metal bands were far less shy about monetary success but it’s so I’m wondering for you as we could go into the have you found a lot of other people that give you the sort of wink and Nod about the more subversive more underground kind of Ethics that come from the music scenes in finding that in in the world or is it just a completely different approach to different Pathway to to the politics of Anarchy plus I thinking crypto people finding different ways and their pills of a different ways at different times like last time I discovered that it’s in the stool I discovered in 2013 as a way of buying things online we need to go into details of that and then kind of forgot about it and then I got back into it. We are all Caillou really going to bitcoin and my mom is my mom is dying from cancer and cannabis oil treatment with a coin and yes it’s illegal but when your mom’s doing you don’t really care about to go with you just want to get her treatment and the ability to buy that treatment for a nobody can stop me and was amazing and with that I was kind of like okay I got this now this is kind of a big deal but the first 6 months to a year in crypto is Radio just making money I was just making really good money on it anyone I think most people can’t I wanna get lost in in Mami at times like I did all this money and I was traveling to while I am back and just live in this great life but in doing my podcast you know I’ve had some massage would love more more about what’s going on in the wall to buy Bitcoins rather than her Nana life suddenly become a little bit more like a k e Anika side to this is more like the the free. I’d rather say cuz sometimes comes this negative connotation you know it like it’s the G8 a meeting that’s going to be a smashing the place outright I just think the freedom and liberty that comes with some of my Bitcoin is truly incredible but what I have noticed is the northern the weight comes from when somebody like I I drop little Slayer of Matlock on every now and again they’ll be someone like you like a cool woman in me and him have become good buddies like online. He’s going to marry her life that we talkin bout we always like that and I think there’s that kind of you know someone if you are like friends with him he’s about your age like 40 years and they know Pantera and Faith No More and they weren’t Alice in Chains with rage against Machine music from the early nineties you know you had a similar kind of life of a life that shaped you write the way I see it is from about 1340 when you start to get a bit of freedom for your parents up until kind of like early twenties where I used to have to think about become responsible I think that. That’s how you know that person I think they come to a concert by the consequence of the parents probably doesn’t know they come to make you doubt they’ve gotten out of bed when they’ve been like 15 at the back of a Pantera gay Gwar Koenigsegg and they staged dog and then it going to school with that like Marilyn Manson patch on that back and some on that bag or something that’s going to be something like dick in schools turn around to take cuz I like I got my music constantly kind of they just kind of got a kid in a mortgage and over that kind of stand the stuff that you end up getting when you get older but you know you know you were several of us you know you’re going to go another bairn you can have a simple conversation you probably kind of similar friends and syphilis views on life I kind of like that so I guess that’s why I kind of trying to find that music yes, those two are we also it is my friend used to call it the international Punk not it’s just that you see somebody that has that some emblem of identification with the desota Underground Music scenes in the culture gigs and mosh pits and what not and there is an immediate solidarity and hours appreciate that and will always add to the Xfinity I have four people you know to know ya you’ve you’ve been raging in the pit so I’ve been I’ve been off since I put out that big toy story about losing all the money right I’ve been off like 15 times to come and put gas and I’ll say yes to anyone anyone I’ll make an hour and a half because when I lost my podcast I’ve relied on the same night and even took today I would lie on the same people giving up that time and space museum you want to come up with that guy is when you came out you said I’d like the pumpkin the hardcore want to talk about that with you is like right in this is the one I want to do this guy gets there I want to go in there I want to talk about owning somebody’s can I listen to it because the only time I really like I’m in this music is when I go for a run on down the gym and I put it on when I put on my headphones and I listen to like most of the time I don’t get a chance to talk about apart from my daughter and she’s like some of it is like a Hatebreed someone she really likes unless there’s like a song by like Iron Maiden she likes what she likes that you are so right but most of the time so yeah I ceased when you came and you said you want to do is like yeah I’m in I’m in Manistee this yeah well I would say that it’s interesting that it seems I know there’s the Tatiana moroz I believe is one of the early crypto music artists who did some some form of tokenization of her her stuff and then I know who Joe music is the ethereum blockchain based project to disintermediate the intellectual property Monopoly that is embedded in the music industry and what not have you come across any any folks in in whatever genre music but you know be great Punk and metal that seems like we’re the punk and metal artists are behind the curve when it comes to the crypto blockchain next generation of even the music industry so have you have you pondered that or thought about that or kind of made any connections there I just think it’s still so early Saturday days and I guess I guess you need exposure to a maybe they haven’t discovered there or I don’t see it takes a long time to read together like some really really good and I’m really coming I’m coming up now ready to two years and it was kind of going to buy the stuff in my mom like I know as there’s so much I don’t know but I know a lot more than I did something is not to click now starting to get it I think we way too early even for the Amicus Sue to really understand what I’ve seen a few rappers talk about it because I guess is it’s about making money in wrappers or what about making Benjamin but I don’t think the crossover has come yet because I don’t see nothing but still too early I still something that’s enough of people do to grab the crap yet but I think it will come yeah I agree I’ve noticed that I kind of had goes back to that shyness that you were just a bit attractive but yeah the early adopters the hip-hop artists were not asleep at the wheel with this stuff and want you know some of them started getting into Bitcoin even before it was that big of a thing and now they’ve got real gains to to play with so that’s that’s a very very interesting and and also I mean it is something is so deeply tickled inside of me when I hear government Regulators talk about cypherpunk and crypto energy and how they have to know retool themselves to catch up with these technological revolutions that are rooted in all of these extremely radical and an anti authoritarian Tendencies and I just think this is so yeah you being at the the SECU the Securities and Exchange Commission to have a conversation about really you know I’ll put it in my in my words how the powers-that-be are going to have to adapt to this math math based Anarchist cryptographic Revolution there this is like the first time in hundreds if not thousands of years that there has been a a power a rebalancing and a check and balancing of the powers of these these really in trench systems so and I thank you for being a part of that that shifting and balancing of of powers now was a pleasure to be part of it I mean it was a real kind of course I want to want and like a lot of really bad has happened in The Last 5 Years. 3 minutes and I was not a small detail guy said if I store Apple’s trajectory and I’m making good money but in some ways kind of lost my way as well and I was doing mine are not as kind of building an agency and I wanted to screw with the big agencies and take them home by Jim is a cruise companies you know I would like just companies that dunk at my job is helping us help get them selfie with shit they don’t need and you know I kind of I don’t know if it was like you would probably say cuz you’re a little bit more grounded the band in the spiritual side you’ll probably say it’s all this was going to happen for a reason you know that this is you a Johnny blah blah blah blah you know whether it was just a bunch of coincidences but I lost everything in my life my mom I lost my family to my divorce I lost my company of my mental health everything went over the space so you know three three years I mean I’m a dumb from getting married I just got married I love you to family beautiful wife who I have toward the successful company money in the bank at a Porsche home at the house. Holidays like I had everything and it went and then I hit rock bottom and I remember the Rock Bottom whatever and most of the substance abuse or the results of substance abuse where I would be your mom was when was in my house for the first time I was I was doing drugs not to get high but to get back to parity like I feel so rough. I would do and then feel like normal Robin doing it to be high and I was like I remember that night thinking you know I would be going in and out of the shower panicking and just it was awful and I was like okay this is this is bad right you’re a very bad place there’s another time when I had a panic attack on the Underground Chief station and I would have off the train in the paramedics came and they stripped myself to do an ECG on the rush hour by people under pause which was tied to the Grave Digger every buildings and I was like how do I do this again like a Comstock company going to 10 of the energy account commute to London anymore cuz of the Times by Charles is Bitcoin thing happened because my mom died which is awful questions and then Sunday I find myself lying out to Washington to go to the SEC to interview has to pass I’m like how the fuck is this happen and then yeah I remember leaving that interview and I’m going back to my Abby and being like having a cigarette and sitting on the wall lights to be so we’d times like these things that happen you just yeah it’s just very strange I do not even know if you want to give you that I just kind of went a little story please and I actually that that’s what endears you to me a lot is that the personal aspect and how you really the way you got into Bitcoin as well and how it’s just it’s always just a testimony to how empowering and liberating the technology is and yeah I really appreciate how much effort you put into Earp your project the web Bitcoin the what Bitcoin did podcast can you talk about just the evolution of the podcast and how you actually seems like you have a very meteoric rise and and honestly of all of the crypto Bitcoin blockchain media that I consume it really stands out the work that you’re doing the level list of research that you’ve done in the equality of the guests and you’re the way that you’ve gone after in-person meetings and all that stuff is just seems like a a real higher level of quality put into the project I’m wondering cuz you have like a a moment of insight where you said you know I’m going to bring value to the community by doing a podcast since you not like a coder per say or what was that story about this is my real big plan like the best of the podcast Reedy was just part of a series of events you know I discovered Bitcoin and crypto bull everything all these different shape coins made loads of money than my friends wanted to get into it that’s why you like crazy male robin to tell him to meet you in the picture day which was like an introduction to the original one I sent out to everyone must excuse me and said that the people and then people like what should we buy what should we buy and so did a Facebook group for my friends and you have a hundred people joined and I would just say that to this is what I’m reading on this one thing going to buy an avatar for my chores he said to me yeah right so he understands Google you should think about doing a Blog we thought that we just going to show somebody is Bound for most of the time trying to come up with the name he was like we were just as a joke like we have his wife entitled the king of Bedford which is so embarrassing but like it needed became that name thank God it didn’t but we expect snow must be the king of it but we just so I know it’s the website but I would write about it and I love the Old Post have been deleted now cuz I don’t even agree with him but I was just writing to understand and then you know I I I was like why is he not actually funny funny thing I didn’t tell you I don’t like the first issue front cover was a band hookah skunk anansie who were playing in Bedford so I got to click on that interview and Xena Me podcast consoles are free again the CDs afraid that your problem is it’s getting your first interview how does a 14 year old girl but we have this little which is kind of a cold then you you you know what bands are on like like secret to little ask was and we had a bank with skunk anansie play so I knew the guy who was the event is he on the sky so I went down to her when I was like yeah can you let me do an interview. I did that the distance CD reviews and released with us tissue but that issue I said Run for the rental companies move to do the store at 2 and I want to show off today releases on blind because I was the most unimportant when they put me in for us so I liked it a really crappy time I interviewed Vinnie Paul from Pantera and I interviewed the down set hike all these bands at the gate with the one of those Old Dixie Forest River the dictaphone World on that go to my friend Tom’s dad’s estate agents would like to print out copies giveaway gig 6s when I used to get like these packs of CDs every week with 5 10 15 CDs I can send you a photo of any CD’s still there but I finish school with uni I wanted to stop fencing again online didn’t have the money to do it so my off my first year you need I stay behind I used to walk who died in the carpentry shop and then come back to me even though man takes them out so I learn how to build websites and then I started getting off the money by my landlord off me to go to website. Double cut your business he paid me $450 mind I was in I was working in the carpentry supplies full-time an hour so I was like okay this is cool that’s like sound like a hundred hours working and I didn’t like a day and then this recruiting company called Springfield can you build a website and I just found out that message a fine I was like this is insane this is the company of London countries during the first. Come by and they were like can you come here and can you like help us build this. Come we got whatever Millie’s investment how about ya and I like with the NFL I’m like okay I can take that severe mind I was like NM property other than what’s 40 * 160 week like what you need a website and then agency and then this time my friends had like your website I think you said I had a meteoric rise like I think one of the things that’s what well for me is all this background in like the first thing I knew I had to get my interviews right and I know interviews me to interview so I got in touch with Jameson lopp very early on this is going to come out to North Carolina do with you and by the way I’ve never shot a gun and I want you to take me to shoot a gun an interview as a vegetarian at the time you took me to a barbecue place and I didn’t have the heart to tell him so I ended up eating barbecue and then you show me to the gun range of a shotgun and I’m from the lucky that I think the reason the podcast some quiet so I can write a good set of gas and they’ve introduced me to the next guest but it will save my background in like Cabanas so I got a lot of work when I chew your show all those banners could come see my interviews. I genuinely find the stuff difficult to understand like genuinely I’m like I’ll get it I don’t understand that I get out I think that’s made out with the podcast is that you know I’ve asked questions other people want a while she’s probably sounds quite humbling because it is and then I had that kind of background of my family have known how to get like the important ingredient to get gas and then my back hurting boxing so I guess a whole bunch of great something I guess I guess my punk ass is just a combination of my background it doing the fans and boxing and digital marketing and just cut out who I am as a person that’s so cool and that. Just sit just bringing back this Cascade of memories of what it was like with black and white Xerox machines and like you said finding a hookup for a copy Earth if you could get a hookup to copy yours and you were still golden back in the 80s 90s you know when that and and I have a similar experience and it just it what Rings true for me is just that the spirit of do-it-yourself that’s what is unifying the punks and the meddlers in the hardcore and the cryptographers an open-source movement in all of the crypto Anarchy a sense of people say crip the Savages and it says that the unifying concept is is just being a power to go out and do it yourself and not you know not wait for permission not wait for Wayfair Venture funding and you can see that there are more resilient projects in the crypto space or the ones that that weren’t really over-leveraged in pandering to Ico money in the ones that are actually out there and I’m not to be judgmental or critical but but we but I like the way people say Bitcoin was in the accurate conception and it’s a headless Hydra that can just go and take over so many sectors of planet and now I have that central point of failure and just touches I guess I guess some people make some accusations of me sometimes it’s like you just become a Bitcoin Maxima so you just hang around with Bitcoin maximalism around 1:59 interviews now and if I’m a 3-day prep by prep for an interview as everything else I read I’m saying it like my opinion where I go to that is the conclusion for 59 interviews all the crap all the readings he hasn’t asked if I sound like a maximalist is because that’s what makes sense to me that’s where I’m on kind of that right now now I’m not a full Maximus but I’m not far off right and I just the thing about my podcast is quiet like anyone has been there for me stopped quite transparent me followed my journey of kind of what I learned and understood but I think what’s come out of that is like you’re bored and sorry for swearing but it’s so important. He Ledger or some like I don’t know just like some of this absolute nonsense out there if anything like let’s go to war because yeah where at where am I in time where are the People by removing the time now where we are all surveilled all day everyday online offline cameras like everything we do you know what Financial transactions where I would go out of the country problems everyone fighting with each other and then we could Bitcoin controls right nobody can really control decentralized the office I can do way of considering money I’m at the office where breaking the rules with math in the pool right now that I want to put most of my energy into laugh and I want to get away from all the noise will the distractions has stopped. Help. My stuff back when becoming what it can be because we might never get a chance like if you thought this out we might never get a chance like this again and I think that’s super important yeah I hear you there it’s just every day every day that goes by what you’re saying comes more becomes more clear and goes warm to focus in weather people are speculating on going to the moon and quick riches and what not or if it’s really deeper into the the ethos of it and the and the ethics of it I’m tight end to be always say the was if this is actually a question I’ve had for you since I’ve listened to your podcast I think I got I got in I’ve been a religious fanatic of your podcast going back to several months when you had an interview with Lynn Albrecht brazo bricks mother the political prisoner from the Silk Road and and have been following you since then and something that that I am interested in your your thoughts on too kind of elaborate is that I think you’ve asked a couple people here and there but you said something to the effect of do you have this concerned that the the new stablecoin projects are in a way attack and attack on bitcoin could you could you explain a little bit more cuz I’m I’m I’m considering the value of these newer stablecoins and it’s certainly a it’s a it’s a way more digestible narrative for onboarding new people into the power of crypto as far as bypassing the choke points of banks in and payment processors that don’t allow you to say certain things are not allowed in their terms of service but you can use any crypto to transact value online but now I’m leaning towards the stable coins at least as a crutch until Bitcoin kind of stabilize is overtime but but I’ll be interested yet to hear you kind of you can go off about why why you feel like people should be second-guessing this obviously the centralized ones but just in general that attack stablecoin doesn’t attack on bitcoin what does that mean for you fuzzy thank you for listening to do with little braids pink Floyds off me my favorite to you and I don’t see what that first one was my favorite by Fall because we didn’t really talk about Bitcoin and it’s very awesome story how do I create a political prisoner break his now friend of mine she you know we actually text each other today we talk regularly in Vegas just like Alexa from Ross thank me for supporting them and that’s a huge important so using voice because it’s me the Revolutionary that’s so much misinformation about him he should be in prison if you believe in the laws of the land but no way should he spend the rest of his life in prison I hear conversation about the right to choose and he he is a reason I was able to buy a treatment for my mother when she was time for cancer and I will stand up in front of anyone to say to them in my shoes if you stood there with your mother she’s never cancel it you two you two will probably break the rules to the kind of treatment to relieve the suffering and I believe that is so important I thank you for listening to that stable coins haha you know what it’s an interesting one from loving to hating I guess the the thing is for stable coins is in a pool business wild innocent X functional while they have a use case they have a use case they are easy on faucets transactions that money around the world and they would you spell identity. they do take away from Bitcoin and Lotus table coins could take away from Vic Mensa free sample Facebook account I want to properly stablecoin right people that’s taking people who could be buying Bitcoin away maybe they’ll introduce people to pick, but I believe Bitcoin and hard money and soft money so important that yes I see you. But I don’t ever want them to be a priority of a Bitcoin because the thing about stablecoins his Tales from the Crypt really realize that I am I asking the same it’ll be all right so they could have a black hole in sweater Black Swan events in the US that will lead to nest devaluation of u.s. dollar to the same I’m not conversant Maximus run like everything about for Bitcoins to wash it again the used case. We’re going to look if if there is like a semi pseudo decentralized stablecoin was a short-term Solutions $2 Bahrain in FL station with somebody wouldn’t risk Bitcoin yet use a stablecoin to give himself a little bit more freedom to transact rifle do business I get it at the same time I think we need to constantly educate people Bitcoin and encourage big one and it you know another one of my Eureka my mother is coming that I’m forgetting price very very rarely check price I’ve lost so much Bitcoin through bad trading and Mining stupid decisions like I lost like 1897 coin accumulate Bitcoin like that one pic when he was one Bitcoin thing is not about the money tree Valley cuz it changes is that what how much Bitcoin account now all I want to do is make sure the end of next year I’ll have more that kind of the way I will do that is by no selling not trading not using but doing what that creates money where I can buy a new Bitcoin and that’s my goal is to say I could make the pug cost usually successful in this is fat 2,000 lb of the end of each month maybe I’ll buy two thousand kind of Bitcoin the end of each month and I’m just going to keep accumulating on this kind of 10-year project I would like to be in a position where I got very significant Bitcoin holding and that’s amazing it’s usually boarded because we got to think about time preference is the journey for Bitcoin to take over and have a big one edition top and isn’t going to be a slow and steady and without want to send it to you so yes table that use case but yeah I agree with you yeah it’s kind of a temporary thing and it really there is no such thing as stable as sort of maybe less volatile on a certain time frame but it’s very it’s funny because the USD coins if the USB goes down and they have to follow along with it then it won’t be a stable going you know Andreas Antonopoulos I loved one of these his jeans you know is is he’s like a comedian and a genius and a you know he’s just such a hero to so many people and the things he said yeah it’s it’s volatile Munich of the Bitcoins volatile but also fiat currency the real Balto do you want to be on an upward trend of volatility or a downward trend of all tail because there’s only one way that the CPI currencies can really go so yeah it’s all semantics right really with you to the health how far you zoom in or zoom out of any chart yeah I mean it’s just like a say to me Bitcoin so important and I always like how how back to you when interviewed Caden long as he said prices the least interesting fact of a Bitcoin for me and I try and think like that you know how I kind of got lost in and get rich off crypto saying and now I’d like over the next year slow down I sure have a stable solid income that comes me a cup of my children, my life and my life stuff and then from there Play movie Gone and focus on Pitkin and just forget about price focus on the growth of the technology that use case and maybe with my book called educating people but get away from this kind of get rich from Bitcoin thing cuz that’s that’s not the right thing yeah I agree I have used used it for very practical purposes that exemplify the use case of remittances exemplified yusuke Civ V stunts answerable value transfer and you know for those who can afford to hot oil and a half Ford to hold it and speculate and save than you know that’s more power to the Toddlers and for people who just need to use it for you know I was having a conversation with with a friend recently where it’s like no matter what no matter what the volatility is that’s going to be all based on the the more advanced Traders and speculators and Market players and I’ll go Bots and all that stuff but as far as they your grandma or someone who is sending money to family members in a country that they are you know from but they’re not working in and they’re just doing the ribbons is as long as this this bulletproof kind of armored car that can travel from me from your location with your value across the internet to someone else you want to cash it out immediately and you know it might be a slippage of a couple fraction to percent given the time it takes for you know the six confirmations or whatever on the network know it’s still is always going to be stable enough for those those types of transactions and for the people that can afford to hang on to it and play that game and take losses and gains and paper and strong at the weekends well that’s what wall Street’s been doing this whole time anyway so and you know it’s just kind of a we trying to make the banking system more efficient are we trying to change the way money it’s not about the money value was created in generated who has influence over money cuz we know the powers-that-be will be abused that the fuse that position the money if you know they’ll print to have them when needed they will they will still text with inflation they will spend money Wars a year they will do countless Anna Faris things with money and things up the most people watch discuss did that so do we want to create a more efficient Financial system is much more important goal in life yeah I totally agree I’m it’s been a steep learning curve to even figure out how to get on coinbase Pro or any of the other exchanges and actually buy all coins and it says I see how it’s just the it’s buried there is a I guess a dark side to all of that speculating and trading an Arbitrage and there’s somebody losing anytime you win in that game kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth and in my B I guess I’ll be happy for a time when when the Bitcoin market capitalization is as dispersed geographically and economically as widely as possible and people do by their groceries do their laundry pay their rent you know by their Christmas gifts whatever it is in Holdings of Bitcoin in once that I was thinking of going back to punk and metal you know they made image it comes to me cuz I’m a drummer as I’m like well there will be a point when the when the Bitcoin that is produced that has been has been produced will be distributed enough amongst the masses of the world that’ll be like a snare drum and he’s just like tightening each pig on a snare drum until you have that more stable kind of bottom or at least a stable way more stable chart and then that will give people the confidence to transact in it and it won’t be so so lustfully extremely kind of addictive like crack cocaine to try to chase this Moon pumps and all that I think it’s going to happen it will just take it will take time for sure if you feel like that this kind of just like I just hang in there cuz it’s going to get away will like in other markets that have been volatile it will find a sweet spot over time I just don’t see how it’s going to die and just gone like looking to history of Bitcoin like go back look up look what’s happened over 10 years it’s gone from strength to strength and power a bad Marcus but every time is stronger bigger I just don’t see how it can be maybe he can but I just don’t say I just think it’s about patience until I’m now I trace man says it’s a 50 to 60 year project pride and those people are now wearing off the 1-year like we have a customer and a half thousand dollars right I’m people worried I mean come on let’s get in the real world right because I’m going to buy everything I can and other people but it went to Adelaide by order that so like he’s not going to die in a while now ETFs Ice come in future custody solutions for institutions biwi. Knowledge lightning that was coming it’s just growing is getting stronger and it’s getting harder it’s not going anywhere or does happen if people with people different time preferences who buy and sell at the wrong time of losing money but you know it’s just a game a patient’s I’m very very bullish on the future of Bitcoin write on me to likewise yeah it’s like the price drops it to me it’s a gift from the gods how could they be so merciful to let me get back on the train you know about buying the ditch dollar cost averaging and trying not to lose my mind staring at the shop and just yeah I like you like you said to me in the strategy don’t fucking quit your day job you know just put in a small amount as you generate real value in produce real value in the world and then and then just have this this hedge against the collapse of the Fiat system in and you’ll be blessed like the other people I love Trace mirrors work and I love that he’s doing the proof of keys thing I’m going to participate can you just shut that out too so we can promote that anybody who’s into crypto or crypto curious what is a spread that Meme of the the proof of Keys January 3rd Festival yes I trace my ass he’s running his campaign proof of keys like every year trying to decide which was is none of us three of the protocol on the 10th anniversary of the Bitcoin protocol launch in anyone’s remind people that you know if you don’t know your private Keys you don’t know your Bitcoin you have an IOU for a Bitcoin or you have a credit me for Bitcoin mining exchange generosity want everyone to go on to the exchanges take the Bitcoin off put it on that Hardware wallet on the Cold Water Solutions in the private so many people over the last year or so I guess you don’t even know what happened with the amount call soup one pot amount cuz he didn’t lose that money the Bitcoin you’ve got to be so sober and you could I owe you private Keys you know your Bitcoin so January 3rd I need to check it out website proof of keys., which you which everyone needs to go to check out but that’s so important you know I wanted to become part of it very important campaign Play Trace might recommend F-16 it out also will thank you for that and yeah one respect your time if you got to get going here so any last words you want to share and websites and your elbows and we’ll get people connected to all the greats I want to say this is my favorite over into your dumb because I didn’t know what he was looking at small there’s a very small people out there but when anyone wants to talk to me I’m about to do that but I’ve never enjoyed it interview so much cuz you come in my favorite subject which is evil that you ever want me to come and get on to the Future just let me know I’d be more than a pleasure if you want to check out my work on Google podcast SoundCloud on Spotify on Android 51 episodes in how to help people if you want to find them switch my test was at peace McCormack what DMVs are open to go to reach out yeah pretty much required to anyone here for anyone and I’m grateful to anyone he checks out all right. 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