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Sex Worker Outreach In the Love Free or Die State with Ashley Fires TPP172

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In this episode I have the exquisite joy of sharing hope and invigoration to fight for sex worker rights with the highly accomplished veteran adult entertainment star Ashley Fires.

She shares her personal story of empowerment and success in the adult industry. We learn about her romance with New Hampshire and how she’s made a beautiful personal and professional life there in the liberity oriented political climate. We discuss the state of affairs in legislation affecting the adult industry and about how New Hampshire is in a great position to fully decriminalize sex work among consenting adults. She talks about her vitally important work as the current leader of the Sex Workers Outreach Project New Hampshire Chapter

We share our mutual visions for a more sexually expressive future and talk shop about what it will take to get some creative and fun initiatives going.

She does an amazing job establishing that it’s not just an industry, it’s a movement. We agree the war on sex is as real as the war on drugs and just as cannabis has been the gateway to more drug peace, and the policy reform on the horizon in New Hampshire may help to bring peace in the war on sex.

Please visit her at:
https://twitter.com/ashleyfires
https://www.instagram.com/therealashleyfires
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/5177/ashley-fires-fetish-clips

About Ashley:

Ashley is the Official Spokesmodel for the biggest Fetish site on the net “Clips4sale.com.” You may recognize her from her many late night appearances on CINEMAX, HBO, SHOWTIME, and PLAYBOY TV in her famed B Horror and Sexy Soft Core roles! Ashley has also starred in over 300 adult feature films, been featured on hundreds of Box Covers and can be seen on thousands of websites. She worked with such companies as ADAM AND EVE, DIGITAL PLAYGROUND, BRAZZERS, KINK.COM, NAUGHTY AMERICA, ELEGANT ANGEL, WICKED, HUSTLER, EVIL ANGEL, and PENTHOUSE.

As a Glamour model she has graced the cover and centerfold pages of TABOO, HUSTLER, NUGGET, LEG SHOW, XBIZ, GLAMOR GIRL, VON GUTTENBURG, BUTTMAN, BIZZARE, and AVN.

She has been a recurring guest on many national radio shows such as “BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE“, “THE JASON ELLIS SHOW“, AND “THE HOWARD STERN SHOW!”

She has also done a number of interviews for such publications as the “LA TIMES”, “LA WEEKLY”, “BIZZARE”, “HUFFINGTON POST”, and “THE DAILY BEAST”

Ashley was nominated for multiple AVN Awards including “Best Web Star” and “Best Actress.” Also been nominated by The XBIZ Awards for “Best Web Starlet” and “Best Performer” She is the WINNER of “SEXIEST ADULT STAR” for the 2013 THE SEX AWARDS. She also won the title of “Miss Summer XBIZ 2009!”

Currently Ashley runs her own production studio and produces award winning adult content.

She is also the Chapter Leader for SWOP (Sex Workers Outreach Program) New Hampshire.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to touch your Punk podcast episode number 172 I’m being joined by Ashley fires and she is at 15-year adult actress veteran and now an independent adult content producer and is also the sex workers Outreach project leader in the state of New Hampshire where some very interesting and exciting things are happening with regards to really Shifting the Paradigm around decriminalizing sex work and it’s a long time coming no pun intended and we really need to I’m sure tonight they just they just write themselves but but yeah I just a little bit of background from you leading up to this conversation and is that at one of my dear friends in the Tantra healing movement was very instrumental in pivotal activist in the swap organization and we have we been on the show before but she she kind of brought me into that Community a little bit and I I felt like I I wish I had connected with with it much more in some of the other chapters in my life where I was more or heavily sex working I guess you could say but as I’ve been coming out of the closet more in reaching out a networking it’s really it’s really heartwarming to see the level of Frontline advocacy work and activist work and Legend other work that that’s why I was doing it so any any chance I get to to learn about what they’re doing in to defeat Tria time I’m proud to and I’m extra proud to have this this moment to share with Ashley because of all of the connections going on in in New Hampshire and the libertarian movement and the free state project and the cryptocurrency that’s going on there so it seems like all of these Liberatore forces are about to really probably for the first time you know an American history actually not just legalized like marijuana but to decriminalize it and make it something free for consenting adults to do in private and to exchange probably whatever means if digital or or actual currency that they choose so with that said that you would be exactly should be just. It’s not just the old system in the world vital part of human life and yet it’s stigmatized shamed and you know used to control the opposite ends of the spectrum right and the the thought that I’m going to hand you have like Roe v Wade at this time here now might might be challenged right and then and then on the other hand you have New Hampshire Live Free or Die. Mike criminalizing prostitution and I was drawn to it a while back after chest of those. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it could be back up and just get more of your background you have such an amazing bio here I would love to get people salivating just hearing about some of your your work over the years leading up to this and then we can we can zoom into the into this yet what are Yas Harley so I been a sex worker my entire adult life 2018 I started dancing in Las Vegas as I grew up in California drive up to Vegas during the weekend go make a bunch of money and I drive back and go to school 2002 I started doing fetish work when that was private sector inside Dungeons and also French for sure it yours and sprinkle them with some fetish on camera off camera little this little that 2011 12 years now directing producing tellin you no hair makeup Cross services type stuff from Los Angeles like singing on sex workers that you know growing up in California you know what else we done at that point honey turned upside down best part of it but it was also a few years back the adult industry the adult entertainment industry has its own like me too movement and I was on the front lines that was so difficult that was you know it really brought into question a lot of wait culture if you know I started looking at how I other performer complicit or perpetuating such Behavior and do something about it or I can get out of the way but I couldn’t be inactive and so that’s why I became a voice this was in 2015 I started thinking about you know civil liberties for all people and rights as human beings especially in the workplace in the workplace and Kim on the question many times on social media towards me what if your work even work like a consensus was unless you know even if they are allies some not as such an emotional labor and get you you you know you could you do such a vital natural part of everyday father me so I decided to get is there a swamp here I tried to find a New Hampshire thought there was no such thing as I will have is there a demand for it there’s plenty of energy up there and it’s it’s about having a a camaraderie and you know this coming up next year that are actually like fundraisers get people involved why would you want to help us people well first of all through human and goodbye terminated against personally and I could go on and on that but you know it’s it’s about community and it’s about dismantling people wear the same rights and civil liberties as any other human being out there you know and add to it the SEPTA fossa God of centrally Deus Ex Berg on the table here and there’s definitely stuff that I wanted to say something since I have you into this is really exciting to me the Insight that you have as far as New Hampshire goes because the first time in the adult industry that I discovered of the fact that there’s only two jurisdictions really in the United States were pouring is actually protected as free speech I am not not to be prosecuted is pandering for prostitution camping so New Hampshire getting that status along with California I don’t really I probably glance the Wikipedia on that before I don’t know if there was like a case precedent there was like a pivotal case that happened but do you know anything about a cool can we do we get into just like you were romance with New Hampshire and you’re rolling in the industry there and then just why how does it it’s not eating meat you would think Vegas would be the only other place but actually it’s not but then you have New Hampshire and it’s kind of a left-field thing unless you think about the libertarian movement I don’t know that anything to do with it so whatever you have to share about that I would be so grateful to hear your insights I don’t really know much about the president case that that made you know it legal to shoot pornography in New Hampshire do you know that it was a guy who hired a couple to have sex in front of a mini video tape it and they they called that in a pandering or whatever they called it but are they are they were having sex at something it turned out to be hold on me so they fought it and they won and it was not considered prostitution it was considered making a movie right now an adult film because you wasn’t an attempt to distribute it it was like a personal thing or something anyways I don’t know I honestly don’t know much about it but I know it’s like you know set the precedent and you would think that because it is legal here more people would come in and shoot babe there’s basically maybe four or five. Yeah it’s a 1.3 million but still you think more people would come and exercise that right you know he’s come in and just check things out look around it’s all good they walk around and look it’s perfectly okay and you know there’s no reason why I mean if people want to have sex and get paid for it and try to make money and today you know you open up a PornHub Channel or like a clips4sale or whatever and make your own life just doing what you’re going to do at home that’s that’s a that’s why I fell in love with New Hampshire a while back yeah so what was your story of how did you encounter a New Hampshire and was it was it for what some people call it in the crypto space in a regulatory Arbitrage if you could go there and get a better you know 6 and set up with the state as far as the regulations go but what was it that Drew you there originally tonight at the married almost 13 years and they are actually in Vermont and we found out what we can check it out, got a place sight unseen and moved out like literally like a month and I love it here I mean I know this in the winter but you know seven years and I I’d like to hear it say I wish there were more people willing to come here and freely Express themselves sexually you know I was trying to give opening act like a kinky B&B because they’re going to be right here Tantric live in Sikeston you know it could be like a bit of a learning experience with you no panels and and demonstrations and stuff I mean I did a touch of that a while back and there’s amazing but I remember growing up being unreal sax a whole segment on tantric sex and you know it here ever since AT&T bought HBO they’re getting rid of all actual content of a stand of our way we’re waiting for the masses then tomorrow we will hook up take care of everybody you like I want to be I want to have us in that as that happens it’s ready to sign up The Exodus of this is this is I’m painting this picture I’ve been on the East Coast I’ve been to New Hampshire I don’t think I have stopped there for anything I may have stopped there for for some some classic Serta legendary Cuisine is probably what words would have me go through there but I’ve been on the East Coast number of times and I love the vibe I love the fact that the seasons cuz in La there’s not really season so you see autumn and winter and you get to enjoy spring and all that so I’m just in this moment of painting is picture of you having the BMV in and actually I had this idea a while back to say exactly in line with what you’re saying what should be how I feel like it’s so important that that we have places to go and freely and be as loud as we want and not feel like they’re watching us or you know unless we wanted to or whatever but actually we need like an Airbnb opportunity for couples and whoever even singles who want to go and be sexual in nature and in any Hampshire there’s so much beautiful while nature you can have some property with like a you know Victorian home on there or something even more you know the Eco kind of radical alternative but that’s going to be the place that I want to see this happen for sure you no place like you sending your and it’s growing in there is some some major thought leaders in that so I haven’t seen how the ecosexuality movement sort of thought leaders are really interfacing with with the activist movement of swapped but it sounds like we’re kind of making a little bit of magic here just talking about the stuff I’m sure that some interesting things will happen and probably they’ll have to maybe where you all do as a host to conference and invite me up speakers and authors and workshops just like you said you don’t even even if you rent to a facility and you kind of do a test of the model and and you know I’m sure it would it would be a very successful and maybe fundraise for the actual the legal work that needs to be done to get these decrypt the determination happen that’s probably segue to ask you what would you like to share about the the role that you and and swap are playing with the people who actually able to lobby and able to write legislation and in affect the political landscape as far as the decriminalization movement there so I would love to share who I’ve been talking with but I’m I’m not sure I have their permission I have been talking with them people represent in Congress and one Senator but I like I said I’m not going to tell anybody I don’t know I don’t know you no discussion but there is someone who helped offer a very confident that decriminalization effects work in New Hampshire is highly possible in the near future we want docs any politicians Erie but I’m sure everything will be press release you know will be forthcoming and in a lot of press will be on that so I’m just curious because I want to let you know I want to build a summer home there at the very least you know and maybe change my my residency to there and just go warm places I done for me I’m a I’m a real chicken when it comes to to freezing cold weather but but I would go in the Northeast is just get out of the Northeast during the affective disorder the point of a fireplace kind of cozy people who live here are gorgeous to come visit you should come to that I think I’m going to to to relocate my residency there as soon as humanly and financially possible for so so so many reasons and and one of them I will put out there and maybe isn’t necessarily your cup of tea or what you want to associate with personally but for anybody listen who hasn’t really Ducks doe dug into the opportunity that is the Free State movement or free state project and just the whole the whole certain regulatory Arbitrage thing is happening there so many things for different Lifestyles but one of them is that they have something called constitutional carry where you can carry a concealed weapon for your self-defense obviously just by the simple fact of you being a citizen of the United States with a constitutional right to bear arms and that is not being obstructed by any of the you know any of the forces that be that would that would have whatever reason you know whatever and motivation right baby recommend you go and register or get a permit with the local police but but you don’t even need a permit now that passed I think 2 years ago I’m about 2 years ago I was I was I mean I’m a total Progressive socialist but yeah that’s what I believe well you know what this reminds me of one one of the most powerful sex worker goddesses that I’ve ever met she is such a a heroin to me and one of the things that she said which is so apropos this conversation is that she would like to say this the sort of bit of wisdom she had and she basically said you know you can it’s legal for you to go down to a gun shop and buy a gun but you can’t buy my pussy that’s how powerful my pussy is you can buy separately but if you go to the Hampshire pretty soon you’re going to be able to buy both with your favorite cryptocurrency I know that’s funny letter fireworks from liquor stores that are you staying out of that is so great I am so there I’ve had I’ve had enough with everything I just said and I even thought of how it would be nice I like what you said this is important to to know what you said about you we do need those winter months to actually heal and until it’s I feel like the people are running on such hyperdrive in LA because there aren’t it feels like there’s really no season so there’s no introspection there’s no self-reflection there’s no getting close with the family or with the Beloved at it with the land you know being a part of those Cycles so I really do feel like I probably I probably fall in love so much that I won’t care to leave so even if it’s freezing cold because I’ll be around the campfire you know I’ll be around if you know this the the wood stove or whatever maybe so I know it’s gorgeous and it’s so cute really you’re the season Majestic earlier today and not because of smog smog 6% Caucasian but that was a bit of a culture shock for sure Caucasian it turned out which is which also further to the stigma of the same kind of like if there is such a thing as middle class in Hollywood now I feel driving I guess it depends on who’s driving I got there in four and a half but you can get all of the action all of the food everything I could to make sense to to be posted up legally in New Hampshire for so many reasons and then I can imagine it I kind of imagined that it would be the Vegas or or like you’re saying but I’m surprised that there isn’t a more of a booming adult Production Studio house industry given that you could it’s it’s bad. It sounds like it’s about as far as away is Vegas and everyone fled to Vegas when the the kind of life started taking enforceable effects in the LA County area so that’s a question I have for you is it you know if you’ve been following the the regulation around and this sort of the big money the big money clinical groups who are trying to shut down the street on the health but with the health department as a sort of there their battering ram into the industry I’m curious in New Hampshire are they is it is there any specifications from the health department or health code that that are trying to set the rules for the industry for the porn industry there it is it is the Wild Wild West out here we are more people more to join you know start producing they would have to try to regulate but I don’t know if they would because I really don’t think they would I adhere to the same you know guidelines as as far as testing goes the only difference is I need to get tested we we provide them with testing we make sure everyone we we go through this last we have this very detailed checklist I think it was inspired by Nikki Benz and if possible the only difference is we’re not paying Los Angeles or Las Vegas free small company but you know we talked about splitting, according Talent from Vegas and Los Angeles and you know kind of responsibility regulating type of business you just have to have trust that all people are you know I’m doing the right thing around that is because yeah I think that I think like Outlets sexually here you know I said you know if you will actually liberated place like you know I even thought about you some Leaf peeping directed in the professional studio shoot up or down with your spouse just that sounds like a great guy honestly before you even were saying this stuff I could I was just it was a premonition that you would be talking about this because I I just felt like you were going to probably end up working in some capacity with the Chamber of Commerce of wherever whatever region or whatever sort of municipality or me to Sally’s and actually help that like what you’re you can’t you know you can’t afford your Public Works projects you know your new parks are being closed down for whatever reason well here we got the screws it’s going to be amazing yeah I can see it now and start building and I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now I can of gas its people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I I I want to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I talk to Subway to get a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good it’s the best I feel like you have a lot of love but I like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this is would be a place for people that veteran died literally I mean you know they call it in the adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of you in if you’re not in front of the camera and doing the stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in a note and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping living out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as veterans violence and brutality in Warfare civilians is military yeah that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval of being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performers have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

The Future of Crypto-Economics in the Adult Industry with Ameen Soleimani TPP171

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In this episode episode I’m joined by one of my most favorite innovators in the crypto space, Ameen Soleimani of SpankChain. This Ethereum powered adult entertainment platform is helping to provide a more safe and secure environment for producers and consumers of adult content to build online community and transact value using state of the art technology. Much of the discrimination suffered by those involved in the adult industry will be relieved as this platform grows and begins to retrofit if not replace the legacy payment and content delivery rails.

(Please note, this episode was recorded several weeks before it’s release so some of the future updates that are discussed are now current).

We discuss:

  • Ameen’s background in crypto
  • His time working at Consensys
  • How Consensys is a radical experiment in decentralized organizational management
  • How he transitioned into this own projects
  • The origin story of SpankChain
  • His vision to create an on-demand micropayment enabled educational video platform
  • Revelations he’s had about the adult industry use case of crypto
  • His philosophies on a more liberated future for human sexuality
  • The SpankChain roadmap
  • How the Spank and Booty tokens will work to provide a stable token economy with incentives within and beyond the SpankChain platform ecosystem
  • How this unique technology will integrate with and provide services to other adult sites and platforms, resulting in more crypto adoption within the existing industry
  • How SpankChain has been received by the orthodox Ethereum development community
  • and much more!

Please visit SpankChain here:
https://spankchain.com/

Follow Ameen at:
https://twitter.com/ameensol

About Ameen:
Ameen is a decentralization lazer gun and likes to wield the blockchain like a weapon to destroy the legacy trusted institutions. Throughout his crypto career Ameen has played a role in over $30M+ in token sales – including the fastest ICO in history. In his free time, he likes playing Super Smash Brothers (64), Settlers of Catan, and PUBG.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township on podcast episode number 171 I am super delighted for this episode because I have is a guest I mean saw the money and he’s going to tell us all about the spankchain it’s not just webcamming it’s also it’s going to be and it said developing multiple solutions to be an opportunity to replace a lot of the payment rails and content delivery rails of the adult entertainment industry which is a hundred billion dollar a year industry and it’s filled with choke points and discrimination and all kinds of other nasties that were connect solver and it really live out satoshi’s Vision in a lot of interesting ways so with that said we got a bit of an outline to go through but just the start and ask you a meatloaf first thank you again for joining me and asked you to tell us really about your your personal life story or development how you got into Tech and everything before the devising spankchain yes so thanks for having me on your podcast excited to be here my let’s see if we can start about sort of like my entry into cryptocurrency which is a fun place to start which was in college of the first time I really heard of Bitcoin was when we were using it to buy drugs on mushrooms on the Silk Road College friends graduated college started learning software engineering worked on some Arbitrage bot Smith’s money off Arbitrage lost all my money. Cox I was also pretty fun and then really started in 2016 getting serious about ethereum smart contract development I joined consensus in the summer of 2016 while I was there I worked on pure energy project at the time it was called Coke TriCity but sort of event evolved into Grad Plus and then also did a lot of State channels research and then left on Chad chain handle and then left to start sanction awesome so there is a lot of good stuff in there that the delay person we can zoom into a bit to get a little more context I’m familiar cuz I listen to numerous episode podcast episodes interviews that you’ve done before and I’ll say that know my get my skin in the game full disclosure is said I’m a bag holder of spank and a proud bag holder that I’m also a spank live performer and so I am really a raving fan of this technology for a lot of reasons and so I’ve been following your work pretty pretty religiously and I will consider myself the the opposite of a troll it’s kind of like a benevolent roll if you will I’m trying not to be a CEO either but being a benevolent Troll and just kind of trying to bring love to to the project however our possible at through the stages of development and so I was really interested in that to interview you did with Arthur falls on the third web you got into some very interesting material and what I find fascinating in the crypto space that a lot of people seem to I don’t think he gets enough credit and zoom into it is just if you could explain to us what consensus is and how it represents our total radical paradigm shift in governance and in the hierarchy of more of a flattened hierarchy for corporate level a business development and technology and research and all that stuff that is if you could just give us a total download of What consensus is that would be fabulous fantastic yesu consensus is a venture Production Studio started by Joseph Lubin who is one of the original co-founders of ethereum news on the operation said she’s a technologist by training he was a former VP of engineering at Goldman Sachs C understand how all this money stuff works she was previously Robotics and stuff to you but consensus is is really different than any other company really like have ever encountered but a little work that so it is not really run through a top-down command-and-control structure like a traditional hierarchy it is it is a radical experiment trying to run a company in a very decentralized fashion the overarching goal of consensus is to further the mission of aetherium Joe described it and its Inception as you know a theorem is like launching an Xbox with no games so I can sense us needs to build games except in this case. Just games applications that range anywhere you know from Supply Chain management to energy to while some games like virtue poker to music for music licensing and Ferb saddlestring direct relationships with musicians and basically comes from this understanding that like the things that command and control structures are good at are making decisions quickly especially in with high amounts of uncertainty but the thing that a sort of decentralized company can accomplish where are the members are more or less free to pursue their goals so long as you know that they’re still accountable on and aligned with the interests of the company in pursuing mission of of furthering aetherium it ends up that consensus can establish relationships with people in all sorts of different Industries and work on projects that you know any other company that does not have the breadth of the types of projects that consensus works on and that that comes from the I love the freedom that you have within the organization to try new things and I thought that was really powerful of a decision to make early on and so far it seems to be working that’s this is growing a lot and you’re constantly hearing about all the all of the things that it’s doing its I remember so I was like the hundredth employee of aetherium and in the early days of aetherium it was challenging to stay on top of all of the aetherium project but quickly as consent to started growing and it is grown about 10 times as much now I think they’re almost had about a thousand people is its own challenge to just stay on top of the things that consensus-building awesome thank you for sharing that that background and I’ll say that when I I was listening to do I was just about to ring every podcast I could find in the space for the most part and I I Came Upon a state change I believe is what it was called was a series that Arthur Falls did too kind of profile a lot of the different consensus projects and I was just blown away I mean for all of the different Progressive movements that I’ve been in the streets protesting for this the solutions that are being created with this technology just are the answer to so many prayers of so many so many down-to-earth people’s movements for Liberation and empowerment I just I was so excited and also it just felt like this futuristic kind of Starfleet Star Trek kind of very techno-utopian but very practical organization and and I’m just like totally thrilled and impressed I’m curious if you could talk about how the the sort of Human Resources protocols work are you guys receiving or were you receiving or do they receive payment in crypto or do they have Smart contracts that are there actual descriptions of jobs and is there a sort of token economy within how the organization rates it’s it is decentralized in global so you’re going to get from me is going to be outdated by about a year and a couple months so I can I can only really talk to my experience while I was there when consensus was 102 about but yes so people had job descriptions you were more or less free to create your own title but you you couldn’t just do anything but you know if you could justify to the company that you know what you were the what you were working on was in the interest of a company then they would allow you to continue doing it and so there the company organization was heavily inspired by the Slick idea phallocracy and the valve employee handbook so valve is another company where you know it’s famous for having desks with wheels and so the idea behind valve is that without their ideas that like the best games come from people who really want to work on it together and are inspired to join forces and do so and so did you know there’s like you can go you to move your desk to wherever whatever cluster in a like-minded people and whatever game you think is interesting and you know that they’re there is evidence to point to this working pretty well because for a while he’ll steam was a project that was led by one person involved and everyone else at the company thought he was kind of crazy but because they are down the side of x duration they allowed this person to continue working and then eventually it built up steam no pun intended and started getting other people to move their desks next to their desk and start working together and so consensus is sort of inspired by that answer that the HR question yes we while I was there we were being paid in Bitcoin as independent contractors which was pretty cool and then as I was transitioning out of the company was transitioning towards a more corporate payment structure on payroll system is probably a bit of a early days Nostalgia Wild West and then just facing inevitable regulation and oversight from whatever forces they probably had to tighten up a little bit was that did that have anything to do with your decision except I like to get into next ocean and I’m just say that I was thrilled when when Joe Lubin at the consensus gathering this year cited spankchain and he see what he said you were brilliant technologist in that you spun off to do your own thing and I sort of had to take your dark fantasies into a into another realm and that was a very interesting and exciting to get to hear about so if you could tell us about hey if there was anything what was it like for you to transition in and Branch out and do your own thing that’s you know how to sort of High Council which was called the resource allocation committee the rack and I gave a rack presentation in April of 2017 pitching consensus on starting a San francisco-based well basically another consensus that I would run and that would focus on scalable using State channels as well as helping launch tokens because I thought that was going to be all the rage and so they said no and they denied my request for 2 million dollars in for $500,000 and something and I dunno said thank you very much and then realize that you know I’m it’s it’s it’s it’s really hard to like justify or maybe like you know I think I’m capable of something but like when you go to somebody and you ask for 2 million dollars and they asked to see proof it’s hard to just like you know like explain to somebody why they should give you the money in advance of having seen a demonstration of ability that matches the ask and so you know I realize that it was going to be a little too hard to convince rack and also that the thing that I thought was the most compelling opportunity was spankchain and it was sort of outside of the realm of acceptable consensus project especially when consensus is working on it with like Sheiks and by who may not be as friendly to this type of thing so you know that that’s the point where I I said the you know I think I’m going to leave and start my own thing and you know I have pretty good relationships with everybody still at consensus and I was sad to leave and people are sad to see me go but at the same time I’m still sort of like an extended family like everybody at consensus they’re all they all recognize that sanction is still working for further the goals and in the mission of aetherium and so we all get along and it’s an honor when Joe recognizes our work on stage and I know that you know my team is really excited about getting that kind of recognition and validation because for a while stationed existed in the sort of taboo nobody knew what the thing that there’s a lot of people who were waiting to hear what other people thought in order to come around to having an opinion about it and now that is sort of flipped and people are starting to recognize that you know we’re doing really work in the technology and we’re also bringing a new community into crypto that like we’re specifically it makes sense and for this community in it and it actually benefits them in and helps helps their lives abscess absofuckinglutly and I’m excited we’re going to get into that the juicy aspects of this very soon little bit more on the 3rd of backstory and thank you for sharing that is well I was trying to explain it to some friends recently and I said specifically about you and the fact that you have this resume CV piece of coming from consensus and you know I made the analogy in like if you’re going to hire a bodyguard do you want somebody who used to work for the special forces or do you want the that the guy at the local bar the bouncer at the hookah bar you know and I said that is a hat tip and about down to you and the work you’ve done there and certainly for me and made it easy I need an easy decision to to Nowhere to Nowhere where to put some skin in the game knowing that you had that experience and that level and I’ve just you I respect the way that you transition and the and the mission that you have and I would really love to get into a bit what was the actual can you remember where you were and what you were doing the moment that you hadn’t you you had the aha moment to be a real first-mover in crypto for adult when what was that moment if you can if you can remember that maybe when the idea came to you and then when the name came to you give us the real deep the real deep juice there you got shirts so the so the first time I remember the first time somebody told me I should do this and it was a keel Fernandez who worked on safe Market at consensus and it was before I even join trying to get a job at consensus consensus 2016 hackathon met and so This Is Us 26 event put on by Queen. Video streaming real-time payment platform I know that might sound familiar but for Education Institute has any idea was like you notes raising your hand for the internet you get stock you need somebody to help you you know Google isn’t serving you but you need and you just need a human and so I need a design the system and I thought it’d be really cool because you could solve the micropayments problem allowing people to pay as you go intuitive decentralised way so that anybody could build you as an applications on top and I thought that was really powerful and I tried to convince people to work on it at the just wanted to because nobody really cares about education and that was sad so I worked on it by myself then afterwards after the conference I was at the bar census like the company meet up and that’s what you should do you should do this for cam models know I don’t know that seems like maybe 30 or something like that was the mindset that I had at the time and I had my lecture vision for herb for education but it’s sort of it it started to grow on me a couple people that I was talking to you about you know the payment channels Knology started mentioning that you know it could be a good use case in terms of the came out and started to think about it more and it wasn’t until I was back home visiting one of my friends fathers are just passed away and so a bunch of us were sitting together and we were talking about this and started to really you know get serious about you know what was asking the question of like where is this actually going to happen first into into Parts like where is the payment Channel technology going to find its home first and second one was like where is blockchain consumer adoption going to happen first like who who are the people that I actually need this and that’s when you know the answer a question like that and you can’t limit yourself to the things that you might want to hear or the things that you’re biased already towards hearing and see you want to make sure that you’re open to what the answer is and in all honesty and it was you no adult and is definitely the industry in we’re going on a blunt ride with a bunch of my friends and started thinking about names and that’s that’s how spankchain emerges I should will die as soon as one of those the person Play It’s fiction and then it sort of snowballed from there and we came up with a bunch of other fun jokes and include them in the sort of founding story of spankchain you know gave birth to the sphincter she knocked the booty meme and so forth once once the projects you know that the first thing I was thinking was like okay we have payment channel is we have campsite how do we combine the two but once I started doing a lot more research into the adult industry I started realizing like how much bigger the problem actually is it wasn’t just that like you know this is where it would don’t tries everything and then you have that sort self-fulfilling prophecy of you know this relationship ends the banks and financial institutions and so you you have as we’ve outlined in their paper and and talks about shutting down the performers in 2014 and businesses Visa Mastercard refusing to process transactions for adult performers in business has a lot of pot I’m sticking them off you know your your Facebook’s your Instagrams and so it became obvious that like decentralization actually matters here and thatford all performers in businesses the thing like if the room is actually the killer app because it gives them a place to securely store and transact without fear of having their funds seized or Frozen like PayPal froze a performer that we are in contact with her account with $70,000 inside last Christmas that we were able to help her and get it out and about two months since I had friends with PayPal and I was able to touch the right people but that doesn’t always happen and in the cases were doesn’t like the funds are frozen for 6 months without any sort of repercussions nor any ability for the performer to do anything about it and so like for us you know an inn for the washing community in general we just have to be like not complete douchebags and it’s already a much better service and so and it’s not even that like we have the option of being douchebags because like if your money’s on ethereum there’s literally nothing anyone can do to take it from you and so I think that that is super compelling in this space beyond just you know the payment channels in the cams and that’s what the focus of sanction is its to build the infrastructure to be able to accelerate the adoption of the core I3 and Technology by this community so that we can create a parallel Financial system that allows them to have stopped over their money thing that just came to my mind now is it thinking about the way you just described that that douche proofing of the ethereum blockchain and I really understand that myself and appreciate that as the sex worker adult performer been to various scenarios in the industry that are very compromising and unsavory and certainly a lot of price gouging and manipulation and exploitation so you know this was all music to my ears hearing about how you were structuring this and just made me think right now that it’s it’s like in a more enlightened world where the labor that’s provided and offered by Artisan sex workers who many of which have training as sort of healers as well energetic healers and counselors and some other thing you know I was mentioned in your podcast other Falls is about how it’s a form of therapy and it’s so beautiful to see what happens in a community of really liberated folks online who can just open up and really crowdsource mental health and Sexual Health that it’s a beautiful thing and I just feel like it’s a division that came out the way we think about how public resource is like a beach but you might have to pay a token to use the bathroom at the beach or something so it’s like imagine instead of pimps and brothels and sleazy corrupt Hotel operations you had sex public sex facilities that were you know you had her access to a room but then you just you pay a v r us a very very small fee that is not it’s almost like a non-profit at that point it’s almost just like a as a service or used to be and not someone’s parasitic business model to be a pimp so you’re pretty much potentially eliminating a lot of the digital pimping that was Kenny Stiles way of centralized digital temps so I appreciate that it’s it it touches my heart and I’m already experiencing the abundance of it myself you know how my wallet it’s really am it’s a beautiful thing for me so yeah with that said I love to talk a bit about what a state channel is and if you can correct me with my understanding but it seems like sort of a way to do on aetherium what the Bitcoin lightning network is attempting to do where there’s sort of off chain balances that are being bounced around and then you really will be anchoring into the main public chain at a relative like a fraction of the number of transaction points or whatever you call it so that you’re not convincing the network in your not really held hostage by gas prices and stuff could you help us understand that a bit earlier also so I’m going to come back to the payment Channel stuff for peace but like one of the interesting ideas so this is working like I’m I’m a normie I haven’t been involved in this community for very long and in a lot of this is like a learning experience for me just wrapping my head around you know the Norms of these communities and it’s starting to make me think that there might be you know a parallel Revolution going on we’re on one hand like we have the cryptocurrency revolution where everyone gets a little woke and we come out and we’re like you know what this whole money thing it’s like whatever we say it is challenging the Serta fundamental assumptions that we’ve had growing up we say Okay money is issued by the government and that’s you know that’s it and if you pay taxes in the money in the government says it’s valuable and that’s why I’m seeing I’m not doing this but observing and starting to like what is it mean to be in a relationship like why is sex taboo like is you know what is the world look like if people treated sex or blow jobs or whatever like with the same sort of indifference as they do like a massage right what if you know we come back 10 years later and sex is just the you know what it’s like oh well do you know this reduces your stress reduces cortisol and prolongs your life isn’t that the case and it’s like that there’s a lot of hesitancy in resistance to this that’s that’s been brought in but a lot of that’s just because of some sort of like the traditional household of you note to parents with kids and nothing really changes on a year-to-year basis but every year that we have you know whether accelerating technology and growing information like that the next generation is going to learn way faster and from far more mistakes of the previous generations and it could be that we reach like radically new a clivia like I don’t think it’s that crazy if you know sex parties become like a normal thing that that people go to because it’s fun not just like one of those you have to be like a super courageous you know how it going type of person to go there it’s it it’s you know not seeing anything particularly weird that’s why I think the perfect textbook definition of is my one of my favorite new words it is this the word the swing eulerity have you heard that one before yassir facilitating at me all say that one of the most healing moments in all of my life was when I started to to be on the on the the Chaturbate platform and I started to really study at anthropological e and look in pure into all these different Windows into different countries and different cultures and languages and and it was just so abused for me to see all genders just really groups of friends just friends that would otherwise just be hanging out and playing video games but now they’re financially incentivized and and some would say there’s a creepiness factor to some of this but what I was witnessing was like wow if you just shut off the sound and put new start jotting down look how many how wide and how frequently smile Hazard on these people and their groups of friends hanging out playing with each other in ways that they may not have had the courage to explore but then you have people who are willing to give them tips and tokens to do it and then I’m seeing the most elaborate configurations that yoginis and country has the people who are my sort of calling so you know in the space of wanting to configure really elaborate architecture of group sexuality and social sexuality and and it’s happening in the most Unthinkable of places the most unlikely places in this in Venezuela and Columbia and Michael is Aldi’s little mini webcamming kind of Studios that are set up and he’s depressed economies where were the value of their money is just collapsing in crypto it which could be the end of this could be the future spankchain a big part of it is like the economies of friends of people they call them teams you know they like building teams and they’re figuring out ways to do all these things that would just blow your mind as far as how they’re covering each other’s erogenous tissues with with you know as many different miles in hands and genitals is required to create this mandala of pleasure and happiness and I just I just got it you know say that this is there so much more at stake here and the attitude you have towards sex positivity and just the ability to to Foster Liberation and inclusion this is so big and so I just want to just put that out there as it is a PSA and a real honoring to what you’re doing and say you know if you have any anything to rip off of that by all means and if not after that to Tiffany go go back into the state channels personally I’m an aspiring rationalists so I read a lot of Caskey less wrong stuff like that and you want to take the whole point is is to try and make sure that your calibrated with the external reality so that like the things you think are accurate a lot of the ways that humans tend to be wrong about things is that we’re trapped by our own the narratives that were comfortable with and our internal biases and so what are the Seas just like keeping an open mind right it’s like encountering a new group of people that do things differently and being like Oh that’s interesting not like oh that’s so strange and then in going from that to being like you know I wonder what my life would be like if I you know participated or like like why do I think this is strange right and asking yourself that question isn’t trying to actually reason about it from there and it’s been growing experience for me and you know I’m looking forward to to continue a beautiful part part of this is a cultural you no effort and where you know it’s not our fault in general were just trying to participate in the other part is in the same way that there’s like a technological movement we’re also trying to push that envelope and help out where we can and so when I join a consensus I was live the payment Channel expert there for a while and the big idea behind payment channels is that you are exactly right it’s like the lightning Network on it. And so the simplest analogy is it’s like a bar tab so everybody knows that on cryptocurrency the transactions are slow and expensive and the reason is because every transaction needs to be seen and validated by every single node in the network and what payment channels do is that they allow you to lock up some money in advance and then make payments off chain so like a bar tab where you go to the bar and you know you don’t pay for a drink every single time you like without your card and then go to the terminal and they swipe your card and give you their Seaside imagine if you did that every single drink it would be really annoyed so what you do instead is they just keep a tab maybe keep track of all the drinks you ordered and they take your card you can think of that as escrow and then afterwards you say you pay for all of it all at once and it’s the exact same thing with right now you load up money in your wallet and then you send you you load up your strength card which is our metaphor for the payment Channel and so once you’ve loaded up your stank card you said signed commitments the payment off chain and so it’s infinitely scalable because it’s the same as you know it just a normal HTTP internet message so like a you-know-what Facebook like would be except that it has a digital signature on it which means that the network and validate that it came from you and then you make these payment commitments and you know maybe after you spent like a bunch of money than you want to settle and then you would withdraw from The Sting card back to your wallet and that would be closing up your payment Channel and then you know the cardinality works really well because people understand how cars work you know all of the microtransactions into 2 into 2 actual introduction so one to open the channel and then next one when you want to close it that was beautiful yet I when I saw that I really it it’s it took me aback when I first signed up logged on and gotten and saw the first image I had of a spank card I thought oh my God this is so genius this is such a perfect way to simplify and in take the friction out of the user experience with a theory and which if you’re using metamask are my crypto or myethereumwallet it’s going to be daunting to say the least and I appreciate the thought that goes into you know the list of steps being there but almost it requires almost Sometimes they come in line I will have coding experience to get a few things done so if you can bury that under the hood and what better solution than the conceptual framework that people are familiar with like you just said if having to load up onto a prepaid card with so that you have there are multiple steps there are multiple like almost like skase transitions of a cryptocurrency through transactions and if you can piggyback onto the framework that were already comfortable with that is priceless so I just want to Plaid you for that and that was that really helped that really helps people and I’m sure as things move forward we can get into this now sort of the the spankchain roadmap and then like what’s at dmytryk said on the first podcast where I was first introduced to spank which was when he said what can I do with my Spanx so that’s where we can get into the token economics and your what you had planned to achieve with creating a stable yeah value for that believe it’s going to be booty that’s sort of support supported by spank but you can get into all that I will right now station is a campsite and worked really hard on it there’s a lot of improvements that we’re working on Research need a lot of the features that other other campsites heard of just have like we’re still building like private shows no more options are on profiles were options on the user side to extend your profile stuff like that in addition we are working on a couple things the most immediate upgrade to the campsite will be that we are building a non-custodial payment hubs or actually upgrading our payment Channel infrastructure and the wallet so currently the payment Hub is custodial on behalf of the performers which means that the user’s open up a payment Channel spring training them pay in that channel but then the performers don’t have a channel open the section which means that spankchain is actually holding money on behalf of the performers in the next version of sanctioned by the end of the month we will have upgraded it so that performers are actually getting paid immediately in their spank hard as well and so that reduces a lot of liability for us has has important legal benefits from there we’re going to actually been be extended that to you allow for tokens to be transacted in the payment channel so right now our payment channels only have either but after I think about month-and-a-half you’ll be able to have transacted on the payment channels as well and so that’ll be helpful because then performers will be able to receive booty which is stable and I’ll come to that in a second so booty is so just make sure you go system has two tokens back and booty stank is our steak and took in the booty is is the stable token which means that it’s it’s price is supported in and their mechanisms to keep it stable so that’s that’s a part of this what our ambition is to develop this Bank pay platform which is in progress and from there it’s like okay we know we’ve tested all of this we have a lot of great feedback and and been able to use this wallet system in the wild and then we want to be able to integrated on a number of partner sites and so for their you know if you run a an adult website or platform you’re selling content or or whatever you would be able to integrate spank pay on your site and take her to payments in real time which I think would be pretty compelling and it’s it’s sort of also acted like a single sign-on experience so if you have his bank card as a user when you go to another site that’s integrated the user experience will be that you just like having your password and that’s it and then you can pay for anything on that site without having enter in your username password email address credit card so I think that’ll be pretty compelling we’re building an SDK to allow that to be integrated with besides nuts about 2 to 3 months away so from there are also building a website to manage showcase the technology in a different medium and by the end of this month or or very close to it I expect that we will have launched the stank bank and so the spankbank is what allows you to stake your stank and so staking means that you deposit it and lock it up for some. Of time before you can withdraw so the spank bank is a smart contract and you would send your spank to it and lock it in for any number of months between 1 and 12 and earned the booty that is generated at the State Bank so we have a whole sort of like algorithmic central bank system where we generate Hootie and the amount of Duty that is generated is correlated to the amount of fees that are paid on the platform so for example if we process $50,000 worth of transactions in the first month then we are taking 5% cut on the campsite those 5% fees will be paid in booty to the spankbang so we will collect the booty Sundance State Bank the booty will be counted in burned and reduced from Total Supply and so what what that means is the amount of booty that the bank Target’s is as I said 20 times the fees in the previous. And so if there is $50,000 in fees and we take a 5% cut that’s $2,500 and then if Target a total supply of 20 times that that’s again and so there would be $50,000 a month and then if you know it in at equilibrium if there is $2,500 worth of Duty hidden fees overtime then the keep in mind these are produced in total Supply then the total Supply would go from 50,000 to 4750 right and then it would still Target 50,000 and then another new 2500 would be generated and that 2500 that’s generated is distributed fortunately it’s you all the stank stickers I liked it to sort of you know explain this in analogy staking spank in the same bank is a way for you to participate in the value creation sort of like a co-op and soak for us you you want to stake your spank because you if you want to help grow the network and the booty that you earn act as a fee credits on the platform and so if you are a performer or business and you will be no regularly paying attention and cheese you can look in your stank and generate the booty that will cover your feet and that that can be and then the fortunate thing is that if the network and you know more people start to use it then you you might find yourself in a position where the amount of booty that your spanked is generating actually exceeds the amount of booty that you’re using to spend on and then you can sell it to other people who are also using the network and if he’s okay I’m having this my mind is is being blown in in several different directions all at once right now so the first thing I want to say is that a lot of this stuff is mathematically over my head and from a financial technology perspective over my head but what I’m what I’m struggling to make sense of and I’m sure it will become more clear as you guys do animations and more in a more assertive intro instructional stuff to help it be more accessible to lay folks what I’m actually hearing simply in my mind is that you were of course the word spankbank is so compelling and so well established as a mean that that you would have to choose it above a less glorious turn but what I’m hearing is that the sexy more like a a crypto Credit Union in a way where it’s there’s way more things going on it sounds like than a typical Credit Union would be doing to to to have stakeholders in people with no skin in the game but you’re not necessarily if you join a credit union you may get Kickbacks but you’re not buying a security in that sense there’s some some sort of it’s almost like what I’m hearing you say is that there may be a future value from buying the token that has it at a speculative speculative sort of edge to it but it’s still a utility token because you would only get those benefits if you participate in the ecosystem and those benefits are sort of a byproduct of the actual functional use of the system by multiple different types of players and niches with an ecosystem is that does that help or does that seem like I’m a Computing any of this stuff accurately be a lot more helpful guides and understanding like in a couple weeks when we launched this thing in advance of that will probably put up with a lot of the designs are already done and so you know what sort of intuitive around the interface when you can see you know how much people are staking and how much booty is being collected and fees and how is being distributed and stuff like that and I want it back up for a second and talk about like part of why we’re trying to do this and it’s like because what’s the weather what is the rationale behind lights trying to make in in another stable coin in why did we do it like this so did you don’t mind making a stablecoin is like you know I want one of these two transactions into participating in this economy is that the like the cryptocurrencies volatile right you might not want to hold either because if you healthy 1300 verse last like couple weeks you got racks and lost you know maybe something like 20 or 25% of the value and you know we all did and so but you know if you’re trying to send act like you don’t want to go to Chuck E Cheese’s buy a bunch of tokens and then like oh to the machine in the machines like hey you need more tokens cuz your tokens lost value between when you bought them in there like that so far this is coming with the understanding that don’t people actually might prefer these the stable medium of exchange and so it in that light it’s like well actually if you participate in booty and it works then like we’ve created the stable start a meeting with a completely outside of the existing Financial system so it’s like not you know it doesn’t depend on or or you need to integrate with banks at all at that point if you know the risk if if sanction is able to sustain itself and grow and reduce the perception of a lot of the risks associated with being an early-stage startup then I think that people might find that booty is like a fairly compelling story value because they know it but it can be redeemed then. I know people are or tend to be using it and so like I think I think that’s really powerful because right now like most people don’t have very secure most adult performers in business is at least some uncertainty with the bank accounts that they use in you sure about young performers like in front of Sparta Christmas tree and got a couple months ago that like Rebecca, shut down and stuff like that and in some sense like you know if you’re holding that might not be an issue so that’s part of why we’re doing it on the financial side on the math side like it’s actually not that complicated sounds complicated when I say it like this some of the stability preserving mechanisms are more complicated like we so close to spank Banks really being developed right now there’s like the version that we’re just going to launch in it about a month which you allow you to stick your spanked and we’re not really going to add any sort of stability and forcing mechanisms to that because the supply will be so small like I said we start out with $50,000 worth of Beauty in like you know well station has several million dollars like we can collateralize that over ten thousand percent right so there’s very little risk you on the worst case scenario we buy it all back okay if you mind can I pause you here just for a second so just took for it to it to ya to to represent the the lay person who bought spank on an exchange in Oregon the Ico and so the the pivotal moment for for holders of spank will be too if they want to participate in this economy rather than just dump it or whatever sell it or speculate rated they traded or swing trade it you’re going to actually have the utility function of of putting it into a smart contract the same way that will be like a token swap with an e r c to a in Maine that of a new like the way the EOS did it but instead of instead of going to a new chain you’re actually going to another ethereum smart contract is there right now it’s actually a Perfect Analogy it’s like you know is if suspected a lot of the times when I talk about snatching people are like Oaks pension like what kind of blockchain is that I’m like it’s not it’s just it’s just a cool name it’s all on aetherium right but like you know if it was some like it would be exactly analogous to like doing a token swap on to the new chain except in this case now you got to stake it and you know the rights of a stapler to the beauty that steam generator and then one more question so since you’re not proposing the sort of masternode opportunity there’s I’m assuming is not a limit or is there a minimum staking or could it be any amount and then you get participate in at no minimum you could have a very small amount of snow in practice like you know you’re probably not going to know that much because like you’re still going to have to transact on the three and bossy until I collect the booty for each account that used to steak and so it’ll be bounded by you know how much the Gatsby is are as a proportion of the booty that you earn for staking that much thing right so another way to bring this down back down to earth when you said Co-op it’s like what do they call it a profit-sharing amongst employees so if you are a spankchain live performer and you choose to rather than cash out to pay your bills you keep a percentage of your paycheck basically in the spank bank then you have the opportunity to to have that sort of the same thing that’s that’s the way Credit Union works you know if you give people put their money from their from their jobs into a credit union then that gives leverage to that bank 2 enough support projects under their their bylaws are there whatever Charter Mission however that works so this is if that if I if I’m clear on that then that’s another reason for people to another argument for the the really this utility aspect of it that there can be ongoing value but you can also you know you have a utility for it so anyway. I thought that’s on your end I don’t know if I’m still you know you’re putting your paycheck in there and it gives lover to the bank it’s a little bit different because you know you’re getting paid or or in booty or another crypto and stuff you’re not just like depositing it in the spank bank in earning interest on that you you would have to convert it into spanking and steak that and then you would have that participatory so it’s like one extra okay so what’s up then if let’s say a performer is once you have this sort of what do you call a 12 would it be to see at a double-sided or a direct I guess you would be cutting yourself out of the the the the state channel that connects the their guests are the Tipper the visitor with the performer so that that that transaction is going to be from their spank card it’s going to be booty on on their spank card going to the performers booty on their spank card and then they would still have to they would still be converting that right to eat on their way out of their wallet or they could just keep it in there or they could stay skit as spank I’m sorry I will be able to look at these schematics and so used to all of this will become very very clear very soon perfect audio podcast it will basically our plan is for users to be able to hold Ethan booty at first and then you know an increasing number of tokens and then have that convert in real-time through situational Base Exchange mechanism and then into Beauty in the performers channel so that they don’t have to take on the risk and then when the performer wants to us to eat to you no send it to coinbase or something call Gemini to to put in the bank in the future we’re hoping that you know we can integrate directly with like a debit card provider and so then you can just send booty instantly in your channel just as easily as you would spend anything else at that point like why do you yeah exactly will I will say that I stabbed a knife through my Bank of America card when my shift payments card arrived and it’s been a balancing act you know since then but but I’ll say this is the future for sure and so anybody who says if you missed out on the early days of Bitcoin or the ethereum token sale than you have an opportunity to not miss out on spankchain economy which is really yeah it’s really it’s really starting to move forward fast so are you good with for another few minutes can we talk about it another few things of a cool so yeah thank you so much I mean we really covered a lot in the shower and and I I feel like I will never want to keep abreast and future episodes to to study this phenomenon and I guess I just want to say another another question maybe I got one or two more is that what I think is so invigorating and breathtaking about what’s happening is that not only are you and your team innovating with a decentralized technology in a way that really it really brings out the best and and it helps to sort of worksheet it’s this taboo so there’s been so much so many scams and so much larceny and all kinds of cysts only thing that have given this is technology a bad name and and it will be such a beautiful irony if the most one of the most successful and fast-moving actual use cases where people are not just buying tokens instead of actually using a network legitimately is going to be another Vice I can others another yeah I mean it’s like once a toaster win Satoshi dice launch Terry Voorhees and now look what the stuff that they’re doing its you can’t you cannot make moral ethical argument for how powerful the projects that they’re doing are now so I just think it’s a beautiful thing that you’re doing and I can I guess I want to ask you a little I’ve noticed but stay on your on the YouTube channel for spankchain you’re seeing very straight-laced folks attending conferences about ethereum blockchain and you were able to articulate this really Advanced out-of-the-box thinking that you’re doing applying the payment channels in the state channels and it’s really for the people who get this technology in her immersed in it your outstanding with the Innovations are doing in that in that crowd so my question for you is who in your sphere really get this and I really are you really going to be a raving fans in and real seller have the kids from the understanding of how powerful is we know what you’re designing here and how it can be applied in other cases so this just become sort of the high people say silkroad bootstrapped Bitcoin usage who knows what what your framework is going to end up being adapted to and what systems it’s going to continue to disintermediate so I’m just curious you know are people really getting getting you the way you’re coming from or are they still scratching their heads or what’s up with all that yeah so in response like that I see a fart fart you know about us the irony around and being like seeing is in a negative light but then like actually you know where the team of really Township engineer’s and we’re trying to do really cool things we we are the most legit project pretending to be a shitcoin where the most projects or should coins pretending to be legit product we made ourselves a joke because we think it’s funny and because we think that like Schumer is actually the best way to help normalize some some of these couple Eno strange concept that we’re bringing up in these conversations that were forcing me to go to these conferences and we’re finding that a lot of times it’s women that come for sinners like you know this is amazing this this is like you know on the right path and unlike feminists two schools of feminism there’s like some like bored with sex workers are coming forward in and really supporting us finding us like speaking opportunities and and connections because they realize that like this form has has the opportunity to help our community to securely manage their own financing without fear of if you had your money then like this there’s no like 10 p.m. standing in your way to to receiving your paycheck or something there is to basically expand the envelope of like who’s in on the joke of spanking thing in fairlea polarizing on purpose right like we there yet. Like that’s crazy like you guys like my my current understanding reality like prevents me from accepting that this is a legit project and then we get you know I’m the other side people are like this is the best thing I’ve ever heard about like how do I help like I want in you know and I think that’s that’s what we need right now because we’re not as interested in people who were like oh this is kind of cool you know that that’s not very helpful I don’t think that’s like how movements make progress I think you know that are staged it’s it’s people who like don’t take themselves too seriously end and when they see something they sort of her curse in their own mind and I like you know something tells me that like there’s something we’re going on here and I want to I want to find out what and the people that do are tend to be pleasantly surprised that was saying there’s a lot of work going on in unity in building legitimate products and platform they they then you know we are in their support and it’s really validating thing we’ve had a lot of people come forward and and start to help us in that regard people from crypto communities like pretty diverse communities awesome and awesome well is his next next level Wizardry and I salute you and plug you so much and I actually I thought came to me today, leading up to this is it a did you ever see the movie better off dead by any chance with the John Cusack in the same generation issue or not but it’s a classic and there is for anybody who has seen this I would love to really invoke the archetype of there was there was a younger brother I mean I guess I’ll just give a little back on it and just a little bit not going to spoil it but it is appropriate for this the kind of anchor this is this archetype I really empowerment and it said there was this the whole movie is about the psychodrama of John Cusack being in love and having this hyper monogamous monogamous like obsession with this this girlfriend then he has to go through all of this sort of fighting the jocks and being like competing in the social hierarchy and social pyramid eventually he gets to be in love with the more down-to-earth foreign exchange student the French foreign exchange student I thought was more desirable from the beginning but there’s interesting this is very interesting tiny little micro subplot which is that his younger brother is sort of totally immune to all of the psychodrama of the family and all of The Madness of relationships and he’s just in his room just hacking before computers were even really that that much fun to play with with the the form of hacking that you was doing what she was cutting out the little coupon offerings on cereal boxes and saving up and ordering all these different Novelties and he got like a laser gun in the mail and he got the psych how to build a rocket ship thing and one of the things he got was how to pick up Trashy Women they open this door and one seeing and there’s a bunch of like they’d start a strip club hang out with them and that Jimmy that just epitomizes the opportunities for those of us who drop out of the mainstream sort of sexual Rat Race and really get creative and Innovative with how we can have more fun and do more work and Innovative thing so if you ever do I mean watch that movie you can know that there’s a place in my heart for you because I see you is like the grown up version of that hacker who is this you know working make turning the system upside down and everyone else is just sort of so sucked into their reality tunnel they couldn’t even imagine thinking out of the box so I’ll definitely watch it now it’s a classic too so I hope you guys enjoy that and that reference and I think that was yeah really good rap for everything I was curious about getting caught up on and I would say that I’ve been just I’ve been telling my friends to become involved with spinning chain and to get on the platform because you don’t have to be over sex if I report a fight on it you can actually just build community and make friends across the world and I think maybe what you might what you all might do is have like a safe for work not safe for work kind of toggling notification where people want to just hang out on spankchain then they can choose what level of how risky it gets or whatever but I know people who are on their doing yoga there’s people on there doing puzzles is people on their taking a nap you know and I’m taking people say figure out how to have passive income make money while you sleep well hey there a fetishist out there who will give you a cryptocurrency spank life to make money while you sleep so everybody wins nobody loses except for the parasitic and come and on that note I like to say a mean if you want to close this out with some Last Words maybe some you know what what if you had a pitch to the people listening what should they do to get involved with why should they get involved and then if you have any website URLs or any Twitter handles you want to share then by all means I just wanted to say thanks for having me if you’re listening to this and you’re interested in getting more involved go to the bank shein.com website find the link to our Discord and come join the community we hang out there we share announcements updates on the campsite future plans and you know just me and the picture is you know whatever sort of our hang out spot so come join us if you’re new to cryptocurrency if you’ve been exposed cryptocurrency there’s a Vibrant Community will help help you understand if you are new to adult you know people will sort of show you the ropes so yeah stay tuned for updates on spankchain all right thank you so much you mean depreciate it I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time and I’m excited to see what happens next and hopefully we will continue to have you and other folks from spank chain back on to keep us updated any important Milestones by all means you know this is this would be an outlet and yeah thank you again so much you’ve changed my life and I’m very very happy to be here in this moment of opportunity in the world with with people like you really stepping up so yeah we’ll talk again soon and I want you to have a great day and a great rest of your week one last one is like we couldn’t do it without you and we do it for people like you awesome broadcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple at provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Archer Park. 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Operational Security in the Age of Grand Theft Crypto with Vin Armani TPP170

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In this episode I’m joined again by the illustrious Vin Armani for an instructive session on operational security for cryptocurrency users. We outline and cover the basics and address advanced concepts in a down to earth and accessible way. There are gems of wisdom that will educate and empower beginners and advanced users alike.

Please visit Vin’s website at http://vinarmani.com/

About Vin:
Vin Armani is a philosopher, serial tech entrepreneur, and CryptoSavage. He is the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post. In addition to being an author and speaker, he has made his living as a television star, film producer, high-end male escort, software developer, art gallerist, pirate radio station operator, DJ, music producer, and motorcycle courier. He studied Philosophy at Howard University.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin I love your beloved’s welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 170 I am here again with vin Armani and we’re going to get very practical we’ve done a lot of really deep in esoteric podcast in the past so this will be I believe number for end of an ongoing series we really got into some deep material and this is definitely one that says still abstract probably for some people who aren’t really deeply living in the sort of Matrix and the way that we are and the crypto space but this is I believe it going to be a public service for those who are crypto curious or who have some skin in the game and want to keep it safe and we’re going to talk about what is often termed operational security for having a lifestyle that’s that’s starting to become your own bank in about people say happy your own bank will you better also you can do that if you want to get a Lambo after they become their own bank but I’d rather get an armored car lose it all so yeah we’re going to get into just some of the best practices some of the no some V the jargon but keep it very 101 level if we can and bring in some personal experiences and anecdotes and so yeah what that said then thank you so much again for joining us and if you could just tell us yeah give us an update on what’s going on with you and then we can LSU LSU rip on this on this topic cuz I know you got a lot to say sure thanks for having me back I’ve just been I really just been hard at work grinding away on a on a whole new version of software for my company coin text we took a nice round of seed funding and we took it in cryptocurrency so this is a very apropos I mean we’ve got a significant War chest that we are having to keep safe ourselves with our operational security and then of course Star product we do have some proprietary information that we also have to be very very careful with and that that we got to put into a situation with that were anything to happen to any of us Founders that we that the other ones would be able to to pick it up so this is a friend of mine for me right now and so yeah it’s cool it’s it’s it’s something that’s very very it’s it’s always fun to talk about especially at a high-level like a as you say like a 101 sort of level I think that there’s within the crypto space there’s definitely some people who fetishize operational security and I think that’s fantastic one thing that we should say going into this so so what is operational security this is keeping your information your money yourself safe and secure and there are a lot of facets to that most people don’t need a level of operational security that is at the level that you would need if you were a politician or Diplomat or a significantly Rich wealthy individual my youngest brother is actually a bodyguard private Executive Security for one of the in the top 20 richest individuals on the planet so he and I talked about this stuff quite a bit it’s super interesting but most people still have a need especially if you’re going to move into the crypto space a lot of people who have not had a lot of experience with dealing in cash I mean those people are paid and you know they work a job that paid either a check or there they get it direct deposited into their account and the bank takes on a lot of responsibility in terms of you know they’re going to be Mercy with you have fraud on your account if you get your card stolen they’re going to replace that for you and shut off the account and they’re going to handle a lot of operational security Now part of the promise of Bitcoin from the beginning from the white paper was that the idea is to remove those trusted third parties from out of the mix now you get a lot there’s a lot of benefits by removing those trusses third parties because those trusses third parties are the banks and in this day and age there’s very little separation between the banks and the state there’s kind of a revolving door with regulatory capture so you remove the bank’s you remove the state you get a lot more financial sovereignty but with financial solvency comes the responsibility of taking care of your own operational security because no one else is going to do it for you so we’ve got you sent me over this is this is really awesome that you put this put together a sort of on a map of things to talk about in terms of operational security I think you’ve got him handled do you then want to go over sort of what you had in mind a place to start and then we’ll just jump in at each other at each individual place that sounds great yeah and thank you for providing that intro that was so accessible and I feel like the grandmas that we want to use non-custodial wallets could all Beach standing up and cheering right now just hearing what you just said because you’re also giving a little bit of credit to the systems that we rely on or support so it shows a well-balanced prospective you get a lot of will you know I love one of my favorite economics quotes is Thomas Sowell and he says in economics there are no Solutions only trade-offs and so you should never think that crypto is a solution in and of itself there is a series of trade-offs and I think that to be responsible in moving into this new space we have to be honest about not just what the positive trade-offs are but also what some of the costs are or some of the things that we potentially are losing in terms of convenience and in terms of security that we because then we can make up the difference right so at least we go into it with our eyes wide open absolutely absolutely very nice to point there and yeah I guess I was just say for myself a little bit of background I’m not I’m not in a paid position as a security professional but in the office environments and corporate environments in other sort of associations that I have I have attempted to in my step up into that role and have a sort of try to be a fly on the wall or have some have my ear to the door on the security professional space and 10 years ago there weren’t that many podcast when I started getting it is now there’s a whole bunch of them and I kind of elapsed on my being really focused on this stuff but one wants to get back in the car once I got into crypto I got back into looking at what are the pentesters doing what are these professional groups that are actually doing with skull penetration testing and they’re actually hired like in that movie sneakers with Robert Redford which is a a Prelude to the entire crypto Revolution that were in right now and it goes back to the crypto Wars and I’ve just wrecked my gutter recommend that for anybody if you want to get that do stuff with that sort of phone techno sci-fi thriller you know that I sent him by then watch that movie sneakers from the early 90s cuz it puts they was prophecy for right now so I just want to throw that out there that I’m not I get a professional here but what I’m trying to do is be a bridge between lay folks and people my loved ones and myself and the very technical computer science now of protecting what you have and then we say it’s the Wild West in October in the wild west if you had a six-shooter you pretty much we’re okay to protect your your winnings at the casino and your gold and your your lady and your horse and whatever else but now you know you got to be a multi-dimensional ninja and have a sense of this jargon and stuff so I’m just going to lay out a little bit of the sort of this mind map that has some dragon in it but stuff that you were super well-versed in so you would have a better handle on bringing it down to Earth are people so you know I think we can start with just looking at his concept of threat modeling which is if you if you have a few interests and a business model you’re looking at your your risks your opportunities that the competitors in the market place that markets there’s a there’s always things we take for granted about business modeling will part of that risk assessment part of a business or your personal life is to look at what is water in your line of work and your lifestyle like you said if you’re not super rich you’re not a politician you probably have you know somewhere along Joe sixpack to maybe not all the way to Zuckerberg with something in between where you’re trying to deal with you know that what is typical for you and your life your station in life and I just broke it down into three broad categories that you can zoom in to in for this its malice negligence and in the case of crypto its regulatory so what are the threats coming at most of us people who are trying to hurt us take something from us manipulators make a new trolls makes Michael Apso without drilling down into that would you say we’re all facing that thread there’s always people who are who are coming at us with malice and then there’s a whole nother Spear of the threats that are just negligence you know that could be in Mentone on crypto Digital Life just a drunk driver or whatever you know any said negligence is people who are doing our intended harm to you and then I think a combination of both if I can put on my valise and negligence you get radio I think that’s right who in crypto you know what we’ll get into that but it’s like that that’s it right there so and then just to give you a maybe how about let’s just do this one more time so before I give away to reveal the cards of the other two broad categories here we’ll just let you go yeah go off on what comes to mind for you with malice negligence and Regulatory threats as a crypto user and developer so I think for most people malice is 4 / most average people out there malice is actually going to be your your number one concern but your concern although I’ll give you a little a little story here and this is this is one where I failed I think it’s kind of always good to to share when where you failed that the simple one that could happen to could really have happened to anybody and it illustrates that even with the best of intentions you can blow it with operational security so several years ago this is probably five six years ago I was going to go and do what was going to be my first ayahuasca ceremony and for anybody who’s gone through that process like you don’t know what’s coming and I’m somebody who out you know I’m always hoping for the best but preparing for the worst and the woman that I was seeing at the time I was living with her I was like I’m going off I’m going to go off and I’m going to do this ayahuasca ceremony and I’m going to leave you just in case something happens who know right so I wrote down on a piece of paper I said here are my passwords here’s the combination to my safe like here are all of these things just in case something were to happen to me hear the phone numbers that you should call whatever and I left this piece of paper with her actually I actually had left it in my closet and you know I didn’t really think about it the ceremony great I’d eventually a couple days later went and saw the piece of paper was in the same place took it like ripped it up through it through it in the toilet flush the toilet gone it was probably I don’t know about a year later we had broken up and I was doing my own thing living in another place already dating someone else and happened to run into a mutual friend of mine who seemed very sort of frantic when she saw she saw me a mutual friend of myself in my ex she was like oh my God I didn’t have your number I didn’t know what to do about this you have to know that your ex has access to your email and has been reading it this whole time she knows everything that’s been going on with you she’s been doing her best to try to like it like stepping between she’s been doing all this weird stuff in the background with a girl that you’re like dating now she’s trying to like mess all these things have been like oh my God and I thought to myself right I’m like how the hell does she have access and then it occurred to me oh yeah I had written that thing down so she had gone and written it all down now who knows who knows whether you know probably at the time she probably thought that she had like the best of intentions like oh just in case right or maybe not but that created that situation and particularly there was some business deals that we’re going on at the time it it really luckily luckily nothing you know terrible came of it and I was able to go through and and look and actually did see I wanted to Google it was a my Gmail account I went in to Google so we’ll security thing and did see that their identities other logins which is something that I advise everybody to check periodically that’s one of the easiest things that you can do for your operational security I know that you can set it so that alerts will come be sure that that’s set especially if you have an Android phone it’ll come right to your phone saying that another that an unknown device is trying to login be sure to have that that’s what that’s what just one small thing that that is very helpful so so this was one where malice came into play much later so it is to say that sometimes a mistake that you make at one point can pop-up much much much later so that’s that’s a story about malice and it’s one where it’s like think about that before you give away passwords you know codes to your phone all of these things and if you do something so so what would the moral of the story of Ben for me what I should have done is in that scenario every single one of those things that I had written down and turn the password and everything I should have changed them immediately so if you ever did write them down and give them to somebody that for some sort of situation like that if it’s I mean that’s perhaps inappropriate situation to be doing that in what I should have done as I should have as soon as I came back I should have changed them all everything you know what does that actually and I also another and I love that story and I’m going to actually follow that up with some stuff you’re going to love to have sex so appropriate for the for the the erotic nature of this podcast listenership for sure so we’re going to make the sexy and fun don’t worry that is the sexiest and most fun way to approach operation security is of course in relationships for the worst forms of malice can occur so okay so practically speaking because people there’s this sort of I mean it’s like they say dentist what is it Mirror Maze I can’t remember the list of the professions that have the highest suicide rate because people hate them or don’t take him seriously and I think security Chief security officers has got to be on that list because nobody listens to you know I listen to them and they are just sitting there end of the first ones to get fired when something goes wrong even though they warned everybody so because people are so resistant to best practices from Security Professionals that tell him you and please don’t give me you know your dog’s name password that you have for your bank and everything else cuz I just want to go in and update your WordPress the best thing that I would say to them is that okay temporarily change your password and if you don’t know how to create a secondary admin you know account on whatever it is they were working on then you change that password temporarily give me the change password and then as soon as the job is done you change it back to whatever you want and I don’t ever see or no I don’t want that liability so two-year Point absolutely that is the solution of that is there are times when you’re going to have to do exactly what you said and you know that sin if we can’t tell me also is that you remember the movie Casino I’m sure where it is like I remember it was just when you said that the line that came to me was from what is when he said you know if you love someone the trust him with everything otherwise what’s the point in the whole movie was based around how pretty much tea crave that safe-deposit box with a Shakedown money and she had was the only other person if you get in there to spend it and she get broken and used it to pay the old girl temp that is something to remember also about operational security that your security is immediately suspect it’s not fully compromised but you should consider it a you should consider it a major major threat if as soon as you share secure information with another individual so if you want to have real operational security I think an aunt again it’s you know I see so many people who give over there you know their codes to their their phones and all of this to two significant other and what not their pins to their bank accounts you know keys to an access to two other accounts these are all situations where it doesn’t it and we’ll get into this a little further but it’s like you in many ways are also putting them at risk when you do that especially if you do it unnecessarily right and you should always assume that although they may be completely benign at this point that in the future there is the possibility that this other individual who you can’t control who you don’t know what they’re doing 24/7 that that individual is going to to actually become a potentially a n attack surface themselves and so Emma and will get into that so I mean that’s that’s either through malice or that’s all through also through negligence right so that kind of leaves into the negligence as well because it’s like while you may be completely fastidious about what you do in terms of your operational security if any part of that you delegate to someone else or you share with someone else in a way that they can compromise it you don’t know if they’re going to be negligent or not like you don’t know what could possibly happen and so you want to maintain as much control as you possibly can now the interesting thing like what at what I do believe about maintaining control is that the best way to maintain control in this day and age is physically and the highest level security systems so you’re talking about like security systems that are like you know control nuclear launches or nuclear energy sites things that you know infectious diseases all of this all of those systems are all air-gapped that’s one of the things that they do with all of those systems and what are Gap means is that there’s no way for you to get from the internet to that system that system completely disconnected from the internet and completely disconnected from any internet-connected device and so that’s always going to be in this day and age your your safest bet and so it’s under your control disconnected from the internet where you can have some idea of where it is 24/7 that’s going to definitely mitigate negligence and then regulatory yeah this one in crypto is a tough one and it it requires constant learning I’ve actually I actually was schooled by my attorney now that we have a corporate attorney recently in terms of how I had thought that the government was handling and and and funny enough that this is like something that even people that I know who have been in crypto for a long time who guys who won ATM machines and what not clear on how the financial crimes enforcement Network which is fincen which are the ones who are really the the main people who crack down and turns of crypto exchange and and what not like unregistered money service businesses and why not how they work and how they’re handling cryptocurrency exchanges in and most people had thought that it fell under a a a foreign exchange law but come to find out fence and it doesn’t actually fall into foreign exchange law Dave Dave said themselves well know the foreign exchange while I was only a few or an exchanger of one currency of a country for another currency of a country so clearly and didn’t send says this themselves they say no it’s it’s it’s not that what we think it is and how we regulated as we regulated as a money transfer which is essentially like Western Union or MoneyGram or something like that it’s the law says that it’s someone who takes money from one person and then sends it on behalf of that person to another person and that it also says or to another location and so basically how they look at it is if I’ve if I take you no cash from you and then I send my Bitcoin aunt at I broadcast a transaction on to the blockchain they say well I didn’t give it to you I sent it to another location and so that’s money transfer and so this is how they are trying to you know crack down on people who are doing either ATMs without money service business license or hand-to-hand exchange is like with localbitcoins they’re having a very difficult time actually Prosecuting these things but what they are doing and it’s something for people to watch out for I think it’s still relatively safe to do localbitcoins but how they are getting people is they will if they’re just going off of greed they will say hey I want to buy $50,000 worth of bitcoin from you and those guys like okay sweet I want to do that I’ve got I’ve got it want to help you out and then they show up and before they do the exchange they say a man you know I’m glad that I could get these Bitcoin because I’ve got this big heroin deal that and you know he only take Bitcoin and glad you were here man and maybe we could do this in the future in the guy goes yeah sure no problem that’s how they got Charlie shrem how they got that’s how they get them all that’s how they get them all is an cuz of that becomes money laundering money laundry so you’re aware or that you have any knowledge that anything illegal to be having a sick note unless you’re buying Bibles for the mission in South America you are going to jail so this is so this actually has a parallel in the escort world and that is that it is completely legal to contract for time and companionship but the same way that they get escorts is the person shows up and they say yeah want to make sure like because I you know I’m very picky can I get XYZ right specific things and then if the the person who’s there is like oh yeah sure no problem and then they give them the money boom your pops so so what it comes down to is if you’re going to do exchanges with strangers of cash for crypto if they said just like if you’re an escort and they mention anything sexual other than you know and if anything other than time and companionship you just walk right out same sort of situation you just walk right out and you’re fine it’s no problem crypto entrapment and now it’s like you have all these at least these hilarious cultural memes around what Undercovers do at parties and stuff so now you just pretty much laid out how what is the crypto undercover sting operation guy look like a gal who can they go to a meet up and they are localbitcoins and they they would approach you like that in this is pretty much a some kind of entrapment that’s some serious you know what at their minds me for that people who are Tantra Savvy and remember the Phoenix goddess temple one of the operation that they did they came in and they would have undercover officers they called it operation goddess Temple a 6-month surveillance operation where they end in i interview Tracy on this pod Preston she said they would come in there is one guy came in there and said I want to take to get it to get a quote Fior rangement for sexual acts that would be entrapment she said he came in there any said I want to put my caca in your vagina, oh my God I want to not in court but it reminds me of that was that movie at a Tarantino one where they had that you got to be naturalistic as hell that. So anyway so K I was dead guessing but yeah that’s that’s this is so it at somebody in California a woman got popped for localbitcoins operating basic buy a localbitcoins operation running that kind of business so it’s it’s a trip though because you have The Regulators fighting over whether or not it’s a commodity or a currency in which case is kind of like well can I choose which which one of the Hammers is going to come down on me I’d rather be blessed for the money transfer thing though is very very broad so whether it’s a commodity whether it’s currency it literally says anything that substitutes for for Value. That that that substitutes for like money in any way this is what fence and they put out specific guidance on this saying this is how we’re handling it now another thing to think about when you’re talkin about regulatory is will the first thing is this the operating as an unlicensed money service business is very serious it’s the maximum penalty is 5 years in federal prison so it’s a very very serious it’s something that people should before you if you’re going to go out and think that you’re going to start exchanging crypto for cash as a business you really need to think about that the other thing to keep in mind is even though you may be cool under federal law with a federal law says is that if you are if you break State money service business law if you immediately become liable for the penalties under the federal so if you are fine under Federal but you’ve done something and all 50 states have to have different regulations so if you’ve done something wrong under the state regulation that’s just your going to get the state penalty and you’re going to be liable for the federal penalty as well now you’ve got States like New Hampshire that have specifically Exempted cryptocurrency from from money transfer and also if you are just selling a cryptocurrency hand-to-hand I actually have a letter from the banking Commission on their letterhead and all that in there like we so long as you are you know operating under best business practices as any other business we do not regulate that so in one of the few states where it’s cool on a Stateside but you see I mean you’re still liable for the Fed so it’s just that’s just something for people to keep in mind the state is always your biggest threat so before you go into you know before you go into any business in this regard definitely go and get some legal counsel look over the statutes read every single thing that you can and if there’s anything that seems unclear I really talk to a professional in that regard so that’s I just just want to say that that’s really important yeah thank you so much and anybody who’s paying attention to even just the headlines in crypto it’s it’s just the shitshow with all of this regulation although there are some allies for sure you know Wyoming Nevada New Hampshire is going to have to be a crypto what are the free state movement for crypto doubt that semi maybe it’s going to take that Meme and just brought in it and just be like go to a stronghold and do the regulatory Arbitrage Boogie you know sure for sure I mean that really the free state project is very proud of what’s happened in terms of crypto here in New Hampshire and I mean that’s the reason why I’m here it’s the reason why we why we decided to basecoin text here it’s just it clears up a lot man it really it really does it’s just that whole level of Regulation that we don’t even really have to worry about so I do think that there’s eventually it it just makes sense that there would be a crypto Silicon Valley or Wall Street I mean they have what they call Valley in Zurich Switzerland but I think it probably will have to be in the US side I mean the US is just the biggest market for all of this and of course the most important financial markets in the world are here in the US so you know if we’re going to break the dollar it’s going to be it’s going to be here for sure right on man yeah well thank you so much and I I know is that I had I’ve always I’ve often wondered since hearing about it you know what what that trade-off process was for you to leave Vegas and go there and you know you have the means I’m sure that will just live as many days of the year in Vegas if you want and still be a resident there but it’s not like I like somebody who they’re they’re never looking back to where their Hometown was when they get a job bus you know somewhere else but but I do appreciate that and that’s a bold move and believe me I fantasize about a dream about it and part of my soul is already prospecting over looking for property over there but but yeah man so something I will have to The Departed especially cuz you brought up the the Ayahuasca part one of the episodes I did in the past episode number 126 was called decrypting the cyberdelic revolution with the Renzo Haggerty and he is the host of the Psychedelic Salon podcast and he has a really solid Tech and internet background that you can hear all about in that in that podcast but one of the things he said I want of his podcast was that he was talking about the the shaman Tony Moss who is outspoken Iowa’s modern sort of Ayahuasca Shaman and he said you know Lorenzo said about him I trust I would trust him with my root password any day so be careful who you share that with but yeah if you’re an interesting about the ceremony still cuz I thought you were actually going to go in the direction of like yeah I thought I was going into a really well vetted Shaman and then I ended up giving my my soul’s root password up to someone who had had a strong opsec in that regard will have to get into that I think we’ve got into a bit of that before we get on another episode ahead of us so back up. Yeah yeah thank you for all the stuff I think that was really really key material for no pun intended for the regulatory stuff anybody thinking about you know what your responsibilities is and then even just maybe something to the tax liability is something to add to that with if you have thoughts on that with them you haven’t been talking about that or just where you thinking about okay if you now when I think about I used to just want to give away crypto or get friends involving up and now I feel like oh my God every time I drop one Satoshi gun to someone else’s wallet they now have a tax liability that could get them in trouble later so I’m wondering a little bit so just to understand what that is the idea behind capital gains tax in and I believe that on crypto it is 21% I believe don’t don’t quote me on this and it’s also so basically what it is is that if you’ve held for the basically for over 12 months usually is what it is this time may may vary depending upon what your jurisdiction is it when it comes to capital gains but the idea behind capital gains is if you let’s say you bought at 1000 and you sold at 3000 you had $2,000 worth of capital games in terms of the value of the capital that you had one and so therefore you are ostensibly you’re liable for that capital gains now where this gets a little gray into the gray area and there’s a lot of gray areas in crypto is I can see it now and this is just people just got to know and got to get the word out and start building yeah I’m almost filling my gas tank to start driving out there right now either way I can guess it’s a people have been wanting you know it’s been it’s been on my not just a to-do list but actually really it’s it’s it’s the lot a lot of the stuff is is I can see it happening and also I have to if it’s not already being taken for some other obviously a worthy cause I feel like the love Free or Die state is going to be the hashtag that I don’t know how to set up with a handle on that it’s all you it’s you if you can take that and run with it if she if it works but I feel like that’s good Hello Google it’s the birthday I feel like you have a lot of love like a lot of love yeah I know I feel it I feel I feel you said you were a Healer and you seem you seem like very empathetic yeah this won’t this to me you know all of the trauma that I have witnessed that I’ve experienced ice I can imagine that this would be a place for people to better and I literally I mean you know they call it an adult industry we say that you’re a civilian if you’re not in front of the UNIF you’re not in front of the camera at doing this stuff for on the street or wherever you’re a civilian and so if that’s the case which I really truly believe it is then we need to have VA programs in hospitals in Reno and benefits and we’re doing a public service for helping leaving out everyone’s fantasies for them if they don’t have the courage or the resources to make them happen so for that I like to be treated with this much if not you know as much love and respect and dignity and resources as Veterans of violence and brutality and warfare. civilians is military yeah, that’s cool yeah and we aren’t we aren’t we you know and you know we were lying about reliving some sort of childhood, it wasn’t about servitude or Surrender sometimes it was just the process to the session would be the process to get to the Aftercare to get to that hug to get to that approval like being told you did a good job you know and when I realize that I thought there’s so much more I’ve actually I’ve had plenty of clients for a while there it was kind of weird they were widows widowers their wearers like I was attacking little words that were in various ways and people don’t understand that Sexual Energy can be incredibly therapeutic and healing you know when there’s something fundamentally wrong with that especially you know I mean now I mean Dairy mention you know I mean every day and I just kept having these handmade in handmaid’s tale things going through my mind and and now to be apart of Swap and to be keto on the inside track knowing what’s going on with this legislation here to decriminalize effort I am filled with hope and love all over again no more despair or fear I feel like this could really I meant to be alive right now at this time and to be here and now in this state I feel very very honored and lucky absolutely why I feel very honored and lucky that we are having this conversation you were exactly the voice of the representative that I wanted to find and connect with its in this is really an amazing amazing invigorating conversation and I just I just want to thank you again so much and you know we’ve got a little bit of time left I think we covered most of what I was super excited and looking forward to discussing I guess I would like to ask if you want to talk about the kind of support that you need from people in the area from people abroad people anywhere in the world listening to this but what what do you need to help your chapter really get to the to the point where were you have all your dreams are coming true and you know you have the people power and the skill sets what were you what are your pain points and what do you need so that that can just be put out there and it is a prayer absolutely absolutely awesome and I’m sex worker Outreach project is a nonprofit we do accept donations we accept recurring donations donations I mean just to be an ally to a sex worker to be supportive and you know aware that their work is real work and emotionally laboring work to know the sex work as a form of emotional and physical labor and that nobody story is is representative of all sex where you know and I think that the presence of sex workers in social movement come together and try to fight this and you have to fight what gone but it is a tubal refuse up sex workers bank accounts and it’s happened the money seems suspicious that’s unacceptable yeah yeah that’s you that’s the way to to bypass So Many Factors whether it’s the pimp violence or the banks or the state or even Amazon not wanting your wishlist to be you know used for compensation whatever it is the terms that you have to been in bed will I have to say that the my biggest public service announcement for anybody that might be in your network who listens to this is that I really hope that anyone listening who is a sex worker who has the u.s. exposed to these Financial choke point issues invest time in studying the whole cryptocurrency movement starting with Bitcoin and in aetherium but but you can accelerate that process if you start to look into joining the platform of spankchain which is bringing together all of the activism all of the the really Advanced cryptocurrency solutions for being your own bank literally being your own bank where you have peer-to-peer Financial transactions you can sell they will be yeah they will be providing a lot of solutions for the industry and for the producers and performers to be empowered independently and off the rails of the money system we don’t need to do our dirty work without your dirty Fiat is how I feel McGregor’s Outreach project we have like a meme donation thing you can donate cooked difference NFL Karma Dakshin and and how how sex workers are the difference between trafficking educate yourself some people have been looking for what seems like an ideal future to me or all of the the glory and the beauty of the healing in the transformation that is possible and also the the sort of in the streets marches and the activism going to take to get there and a couple of I guess you’re silly but up at the memes have come to me and one is it you know people I remember chanting in the streets protesting Wars and logging and you all kinds of pollution would not the people we would always chant whose streets are our streets and I can hear this echoing Cruise sheets are seeds coming out with our seats and then you can also got allies and civilians involved right thing that ever since I started looking into it swapped but I’ve ever felt like we’ll all of the the Financial Funding necessary to do real political work lobbying in legislation and all that stuff I feel like there’s got to be a way to solicit the the buyers of sex work the purchasers of the material that the funeral of the client’s right of the clients are you so mean maybe PornHub can put a donate button to swap you know somewhere I mean set stuff like that I would love to see the financing for all of the stuff that you have in your bucket list of dreams to make come true for this industry and for this movement that that the money if the people who can afford to pay for their further their fetish or for their experience or for their media everybody and you know what I mean I come from the the green business Eco business startup kind of seen in in LA and it was a no-brainer that you would want to launch your startup having a dollar of every purchase or a percentage of your purpose so that you could have the the pr potential of putting out press releases were you talk about how you give back as a social impact or I mean even PornHub has done a lot of cool stuff like that and I don’t mean to keep harping on them but because they’re the biggest conglomerate really that the industry absolutely and you know that they’re behind them right that I was either going to let my contact continue to be over there in cream to the channel myself because it because you know we can continue and have more follow-ups to this conversation but I certainly would love to explore some of your insights in the industry and I have some yes yeah I wanted to add you know how that Whole Foods you know if you have to you have to be a squeaky wheel gets the grease and House of weird that you were is this is thrilling to me I know that there’s a there’s worse things in the world than having pornstars solicit you on your doorstep like door-to-door canvassing for help me on Monday to take your singing telegrams you know what the my name is you could use the conservative rhetoric against him and say we’re here to clean up the adult industry sign here and give us a check what do you mean well I know where else next workers never would never when they used to pack meat and the muckrakers had to blow the whistle and that’s how we have ratio any conservative how do I I subscribed to say the r word regulation but I will say any sort of public outcry about working conditions that’s all we need you know and Industry within the industry of people like you who know what performers need what the issues are and can represent that and it’s not coming top down it’s not coming from you know sideswiping from weird organizations with too much money trying to push agendas where they don’t belong and some people know what I’m talking about there and some people don’t but it’s what they did with the keywords you know trafficking of course people wanted to sign off on that piece of aeon I support you know anti-trafficking laws of course I do and so what we could do is we could eat give them a dose of their own medicine like you said hi we’re going to clean up your industry and fine hair like that cuz that’s how they do so many things when they say you know that people don’t read the fine print when they when they sign initiatives to get on the ballot you know they read the sort of sensationalist headline that skews the facts to some moral kind of you get boxed in Morley by the by the by the headline of whatever it is and so that it’s it’s like appealing to logical fallacies for anyone to want to do that but yeah I mean this is really it’s actually truly the holiest and most most sort of medic there’s there’s a way for all of the people to I mean excellent performance have the legal space to do this right then then the medical aspect will I think it’s going to naturally organically become a safer environment if you’re not having to be underground in the hide from you know the the filming commission and fucking cops and at the neighbors and you could actually have facilities that work up Captain staff and you know and fungus were like just clean to the places I mean that’s what people say about the all of those secondary crime things that go along with Vice and things being underground and the black market economy you know if when you when you legalize drugs all of those secondary cramps go away and so this is a war on sex and we need to end the war on drugs and the war on sex and these problems will sell themselves in the free market so it’s going to happen New Hampshire you know get ready full medical benefits of cannabis right and I’m actually is for you I think what will happen is that is that is that the Cheeto person will get a reverse gangbang by a bunch of Tantra see the goddess and he will want to transform United States into one giant orgiastic goddess Temple to heal the planet from all the patriarchy that’s my that’s my vote I’m going to put that are you trying to turn me on now I try I try not to but sometimes I can’t help it it just happens thank you for that well yeah so we it’s been one of the most delightful hours of my life at sharing this time with you and I’d like to ask you now to give us the links to everything that you want to share and that you’re involved with and close this out with some final words calls-to-action slogans from the front lines whatever you like to share please take your time. Thank you it’s been an honor and I’m I’m I’m pretty sure my cheeks are going to hurt from smiling too so that’s as wot USA. O r g basically you where you can find me I just would like to do everything I can and vegetation Security building in Albuquerque beautiful thank you awesome alright I see well yeah let’s let’s call it a podcast and let’s be in touch and I will I will be in touch again very soon thank you so much and have a wonderful evening. Smiley and you’re coming over here thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day