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Understanding Sexological Bodywork with Dr. Victoria Reuveni TPP106

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In this episode I’m joined by Dr. Victoria Reuveni, a highly experienced and accomplished sexuality educator and healer. We explore the ins and outs of sexological bodywork, some of the bottle-necks of the practice, and compare notes on how we would like the field of hands-on sexual healing grow and evolve as it reaches and helps more and more people and gains more momentum and recognition in all of it’s diverse modalities.

Please visit her website at:
http://sexologistvixenne.com

Dr. Victoria Reuveni, DHS, CSB, ACSI, is a Los Angeles-based sexological bodyworker, sex educator, and coach working with individuals, couples, and groups to facilitate going deeper in erotic embodiment and self-acceptance through mindfulness, breath work, and touch. She blogs about sex, kink, gender, and body image and reviews sex toys.

Victoria is a board member and educator with the Center for Positive Sexuality, speaking on panels to university students and professionals about kink/BDSM, nonmonogamy, and sex work.

She has facilitated over thirty Orgasmic Yoga circles, including a six-week series and monthly circles in Los Angeles, a three-evening mini-series in 2016 in Sacramento which will be reprised in June 2017.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved’s welcome to Township hunting podcast episode number 106 I am here with Victoria the sexologist Vixen and she’s got an amazing array of qualifications as a sex. One of the most comprehensive personalities I’ve yet discovered and then she’s really skilled in a number of modalities sexual healing and Bodywork modalities that have been touched on before I say briefly in the past and past episodes and so this is going to be a real treat to be able to go and deeply explore some of you some very cutting-edge sexuality and sexual therapeutic modalities out there so give us an introduction tell us about how you achieved all these great things and what your life has been like and what you’re offering now and what’s what’s next to chat so I wouldn’t say that when I started on this past that I knew I’d be touching people and helping them for pleasure and things like that but I guess growing up I was raised in an Orthodox Jewish household upbringing I went to Orthodox Jewish schools through 12th grade but also I was raised living in West Hollywood California open this happening around me but also not so much opportunity around sex positivity and things like that so that was super interested and then fast forward to my undergrad I found out that I was a Psychology major and I noticed I was taking a few classes that were we call it part of the requirement to meet for human sexuality minor so I was like okay I’m actually super interested in this I think at the time I’ve been listening to a couple podcasts and my appetite you know was was like open and ready as hungry for kind of anything and so yeah I went sort of down that human sexuality minor and start of by the time maybe like what he called like within like a semester or two before I was graduating of the kindest abandoned this whole psychology side of things is like too much and I at that point I knew I did not want to go into practice or like having to diagnose people or pathologize people in it’s a it’s kind of a mess but anywho after I graduated I didn’t really know where my path is going to take me knowing that I didn’t want to become a psychologist and so I was looking into programs that had human sexuality like doctorates or or Master’s programs things like that and through whole series of events and searching and being rejected from universities which happens and turn out to be blessings in Disguise I went to The Institute in San Francisco and was working on my doctorate in human sexuality was just I was qualified not if you did see but more it’s a DHS sexuality which was very much more about experiential learning and challenging by season and preconceived notions and things like that rather than necessarily academically rigorous which suited me just fine like all of them work with masturbation but there was a chunk of that but definitely a lot more like reading and dust exposure to some amazing amazing resources to be videotaped all their lectures like from like the 70s so even though I didn’t get to see people in person but I got to feel like Weird Al Pomeroy who is Kenzie’s right hand person so there’s a really phenomenal much has to be exposed to and and also coming into things eBay stuff so around the time I was working through my doctorate they had an offering for psychological Bodywork training which at the time I intended to take because I was thinking well I’m kind of leaning towards going until like coaching kinds of things and and you know hoping to work we know one-on-one or maybe with couples are groups or various configurations like that but how dare I someone who’s hoping to teach or work with folks around pleasure or overcoming sexual concerns how do how do I even touch that or you know work with that if I have no understanding of of the body and the body can do so I just took that as sort of adding to my toolbox I was kind of no intention to to use it and I even going through the at home training in the first portion of of of the training I have a bit of resistance and I was like I don’t want to find peoples buttholes and massage buttholes so difficult you know if you like critical dragged my feet even though I was very like conscious of the fact that I paid to do this and then we had our in-person intensive part of the training real work done each other and some kind of lightbulb rice which kind of turn on for me and I’ll actually complimented on my touch which was like kind of huge and revelatory and so kind of from there I’ve my focus has been more on sex logical Body Works and trying to delve more until like expanding pleasure sides of things a little bit more than overcoming concerns per say although that is no the other side of the coin and then the orgasmic yoga portion of my recent stuff that I’ve been doing is that when we were going to the training for sexological Bodywork we did we were exposed to through some of the videos and things we had to watch and some of the end part of it was that when we were we will start our days each day during orgasm and so it was like there’s there’s nothing that will compare to being in a room with 20 something people of all different ages and genders and presentations and orientation Court being a note constantly and Body in touch as happening like 10 hours a day for 2 weeks but I I love the practice and I want to try to encapsulate at least a little tiny nugget I can share with folks and I found through somewhat consistent practice of this all so that I’m able to tap into my own like authentic glasses and nose and it’s been really really amazing to like BB and ion process and hold other people’s process used process used throughout and so those are kind of the two things I do I also sporadically blog really bad about consistency and I review sex toys sometimes yes consistency is a thing but yeah that’s kind of me in a nutshell okay so great so how did people or what what do you mean offerings then in your your location and, if you were doing a promo piece what was you what would you like people to to know about what you have to offer so I am based out of Los Angeles and I have been holding orgasmic yoga circles between one and two. Like one or two a month for the past few months said love for folks to know check that out through my website and find out more it’s not for everybody but super edgy so Mike I got it but there’s a form their questions and I kind of like four people through that I don’t have a current date yet on my calendar yet for that but possibly another one at the end of April I just had one this Tuesday so I still haven’t attacked that down yet to see and yeah just one-on-one or or partnered or couple’s sort of Hands-On work if that feels right or just coaching some people just don’t have a space and Sara Lee to talk about sexuality or like what’s going on with them and so I feel like I’m kind of you know I’m a dork I feel like I’m pretty approachable and I’m goofy and I don’t claim to like have all the answers that will solve all things but I think a big part of what I do is in permission giving and giving people options who’s who doesn’t love option Hawaii have or when you can head and right on well that’s that’s wonderful so Yaz mentioning before that 6 logical body work has been near and dear to me through various friends and colleagues and I feel like this would be a great opportunity if you were if you’re interested to kind of give an overview of what the training is what you know about the background and and how it really stands out is a very unique opportunity for people in the sex industry for people who are in the therapeutic industry and in feels it’s a really amazing sort of under under what would it be I would like you to have to have more people to have way more understanding awareness that this is that this option exists and it’s really it’s been it’s kind of underground as a practice compared to many other modalities that are getting a lot of press in a lot of you know just people that are hip to a lot of other offerings but this is something that is could be the most pivotal and impactful for anyone and everyone is certainly people who are doing with drama and survivors so yeah with that said if you could just introduced that years ago like around this time so like in the spring so but my recollection of it is correct it came kind of from I stink like Body Electric sorts of a community I don’t know if you know about them but they’re very much like a rhotic embodiment practice and I think the focus is more on on men but they might be bringing more women stuff now I’m a little fuzzy on that and I don’t want to speak totally I’m incorrectly but I think it’s kind of weird that started I’m Joseph Kramer was one of the biggest I think people behind that and yeah we still have some of his old videos or just pretty fun and so the the whole thing behind it is that you know talk sorts of therapy can kind of only go so far the super valuable and I know I couldn’t you just that which is obviously, I I I chose not to go down that path but there’s so much learning and wisdom that can be found sabbatical you know in the body and because of you know various laws and all these other sorts of red tape and things a lot of talk therapists can’t do touch so I think it would be valuable and this is actually one of the things I’m kind of envious about intern like in comparison to surrogate partner therapy wishes that they work in a triadic model with you know the practitioner and a therapist and the client where the start of sex logical body workers are kind of on their own kind of would be nice to have some folks like me that way but you been on that for just a second cuz I I like that word yet so if I’m if I’m assuming an understanding correctly a triadic model so that’s where four if if you were a sex surrogate it’s allowed legally and I don’t know how many states are jurisdictions but it exists as a as a legal serve certification or role that you can have so that you can actually have full on sexual intercourse if you were referred by a by a state licensed psychotherapist to have that experience as part of your treatment plan and so is that what you mean by the Triad there’s like a kind of a free-floating and sex prescription 6 a.m. constant check in with the person who is also working through whatever it is you know Siri talk to or talk modality and then having sort of accountability system happening all things are being communicated but also I mean sex doesn’t always necessarily happen in that space and if it does it’s usually the last thing and a lot of cases I’m totally going off on a tangent but it is different from a good point to make is that a lot of times in Insurgent work it’s more fun working like with intimacy and so being able to feel like a real late with another person and kind of creating sort of our world kinship for this. Of time with you know a beginning middle and an end and it’s kind of structured in a certain way and yes you know sex whatever penetration might happen but that’s way way down below and I think that’s not that’s not something but usually known or is not understood you’re saying that the the The Stereotype from the outside is that you’re illegal sex worker who has sex for money that’s legal but what you’re saying is actually that’s either a small part of it or maybe not even necessarily has to happen but it’s it’s it’s allowed to happen legally for late cuz for some people maybe they they have trouble you no talking to the the gender person that they are attracted to their have trouble you know like holding hands or making whatever the moves are or or I gave thing or any of these things and I could be a huge sources of anxiety and so having this sort of very structured safe space to practice these things is super valuable like no one teaches anyone to be sexually literate we just hope you know hey you turn 18 in magical you’re supposed to know how to do all these things that we haven’t ever talked about them right cuz you know teenagers turn on it or not you know they’re not sexually a conversation or able to do things actually happen before we before we go for it this is really just really exactly what I was hoping to find out so I appreciate it yet by all means take your time with it with everything so what is would so crucial to me in in in this these understandings is how the logic of the patriarchal institutions of government and morality and I’m Center he actually what precedents there are to build new policy on in and what does I know you’re not actually a lawyer you’re operating in in in territories that lawyers have been fighting on the front lines of and there’s been a lot of it we’re all standing on the backs of giants from all of the precedent setting cases that have happened so that we want we want it I’m not I’m not expecting you to go into all that stuff but I have one question which you may or may not have any reason to to have an answer to but it’s I’m super curious now as we’re going into the surrogate discussion a little bit is are there health insurance programs that cover the the therapy that there that the truck that that triadic model of accessing services for mental health or is it totally not covered yet and I don’t know currently but my my understanding or like my recollection is that no there I don’t think there is much support a connection with like you know mental health jobs at least not in the US I would think and probably I could be totally wrong and I hope people will correct me because I’m open to learning and you know knowing but and that’s also becomes a thing that’s a huge problem in terms of just you know health and mental health in all these things that is it’s the services that maybe are available or difficult for folks who don’t have resources and can you know if you don’t have you know if you can’t pay for the services cuz it’s one thing to maybe go to a therapist or maybe one thing to go to a body worker but then you’re paying for two Services if it’s can be costly and you know I don’t want to put any of my fellow folks out of out of work but it’s it’s this whole I don’t know like House of Cards in a way we’re like we don’t we don’t have these conversations or we shut sexuality down like four entire lives and then it just becomes whole other thing where you need to find services to have outlets in and learn and explore in at least four things well thank you. That was that was kind of what I feel like this is where this is an edge for growth where people who are you know coming in to do with fresh energy and resources and you know will power and who can actually say wow well there’s got to be a way to to make the make these healing modalities more accessible because it’s some point I think we’ll be able to prove that if you sell people’s sexual issues than every other mental illness just instantly evaporates for is at least a lot easier to manage it could be that means there’s a lot and we totally will get sidetracked on this but I think there’s definitely the other issue of mainstream mental health maybe is not so sex positive so you might happen to be like kinky and you’re going in to see you know what therapist for depression they’re like well obviously you’re depressed because you’re doing the you know wacky things are you want to go to dungeons but meanwhile I was like no no like I’m actually just depressed and it’s a problem I don’t even know how to begin this early to unravel but yeah I like the way he called the boundary sort of are around meaning and what is cuz it’s addressing all these things were talking about so yeah but yeah so the training was over several months and there was an at-home abortion where we had videos and various readings we had to do and we were we had a check in you know you know through a forum and all that kind of stuff so we were kept on task and so we had to like work on ourselves or work fine folks to work on and then later we had a man in in person intensive training where we basically went through all of it we had just done but together in a group and I totally like I’m not doing it justice because we were super embodying like we were consoling touching each other in these various you know with basically within the same containers we would do so sex logical body work is done it is 1 way touch so practitioner touch his client client does not touch the practitioner the practitioner is closed and we use gloves for any genital work so that’s not the same like the work isn’t super intimate because hey you might be naked and guy in touch and also working through concerns are discovering new things about yourself and your pleasure and Regina Simmons and all these different things as compared to like something like a surrogate work it’s it’s less intimate because we’re there as petitioner sort of to be like the vehicle I would say help sort of reframe and reflect and give permission to the folks who come to see us yeah so we would we did this sort of you know several Hands-On sessions every day for like about 2 weeks like super and body like wow and then following that we had to go in fine folks to work on and I think like the main purpose of that and it might have may have changed in the four years since I went through the training I think the structure is basically the same is mainly we want to try to work with clients and also like create like a structure where it’s like multiple sessions over time cuz certainly can get a lot of learning from one session but as much as we want to be like in some gratification like cool I’m fixed or you know the shift might not be after the Quinn sessions so you might need a minimum of three to start seeing different things moving shifting and learning from your body Okay so what were some of the I mean with this sounds it’s funny cuz it sounds like this training is it would be for a lot of people the first time that they’ve engaged in any kind of group sexual activity and Maybe not maybe that’s wrong maybe most people have already come from pretty liberated background but it’s very interesting to me Imagining the what kind of what kind of Transformations were happening just in that that classroom environment I have I can just imagine that some people would be experiencing their own hulings and having explosive Transformations happening just right there and probably what was it what was it like to be in at the Academy of sexual healing with yeah I can I can only really speak to my own experience in that but to see like all the different sorts of bodies definitely ask someone who is fat and has been fat their entire life it’s it was super empowering to see if they’re all different shapes and sizes and you know levels of firmness or not in all these different bodies and guess what they all can experience you know yummy feelings so yeah I might not be maybe like in love with or accepting of the fact that my belly is not you know whatever but hey it’s soft and it feels it is ticklish and all these different like other things I like Jeremih. Myself in any way interested in this washboard abs for all gen I’m not going to wait till like Beavis someone’s arbitrary ideal you know I can be in my body now and I think that was probably the biggest takeaway and that’s not to say that like I don’t have dark days sometimes we’re just like but nothing fits and clothes don’t lay right or just my body is it may be selling the way I’d like it to or pain or whatever but the more I work on this in the more I practice in the more I try to at least be accepting if not loving of my body is a whole then like those dark moments they they become easier to overcome and there’s kind of a shorter shorter up moments and time rather than just constantly spiraling so that’s probably my biggest takeaway cool so then I know it’s a very strict protocol for a lot of these boundaries and a lot of the accountability and the sort of mindset that you want to be approaching a client with do you want to talk a bit about those those boundaries for you keeping projections encounter projections and transference and all these sort of catchphrases of classical therapeutic modalities how how you how that was addressed and also the the Aftercare which is so I think neglected in a lot of just it’s just I feel after care is in across many different modalities it’s it’s neglected in an underemphasized so I’m curious to see how you all doing with that really on top of your game as as a sex illogical bodyworker you’ll call it out from the get-go on particular should know that you’ll have I think many multiple sessions with a client you might call it out and be like hey there might be a little bit of transference and know that this is because we’re in the space but on this is very much about you and your your processing and you’re learning so if I think I should really on your game you’ll just call it out I don’t think I’ve really seen a lot of that in my in my practice and also like I’m I I mean I explain like what what goes on in the boundaries of you know gloves and 1 way touch and bean clothes that’s like always out there and I always talk about consent I always have a consent exercise that is a little more in-depth like it for our first our first Hands-On session but I make sure to point out that yes even though we know you’re here to do this thing and we want to do Hands-On work together you are at twice the entire time I don’t want you to sit there and take it and if something’s I’m comfortable if for whatever reason you need to stop to find the language that works for you if it’s like get your hands off me or you know please can you remove your hands or if you know can you like press harder here or later there or whatever like I want that open communication and I do also do check-in look as we go and I I don’t want this early to be like constantly chattering on the table because then they’re not necessarily sinking in and focusing on what’s going on for them somatically so there’s a this fine balance of checking and seeing like how’s it going so far in like what’s going on for you and you thought or any modifications you might need but also like I really want them to check in on them breathing I want them to be focusing in as being as present as possible also don’t want them to like not being the space I was like Hey Oh I have to do what my laundry later for her it’s a lot of stuff so the way I build it is I will have like a chat before hand and make sure you check in on things you want to work on her different sorts of things we want to do or things a week near totally are off the table for that day and we do the session it’s not always Hands-On by the way like my my stuff is very flexible in that way and folks can also choose to be like fully undressed or or not I had arranged as well cuz I want to meet people where they’re at I don’t want them to come to me like oh wow I’m supposed to be fully nude relaxed okay like we can meet you where you are cuz I don’t want to like traumatize our reach home at has anyone again the whole thing of consent so we do that session and then we have time at the end part 1 is savoring so we let the person just kind of be their hands and I kind of like you know they are like my sweet like holding space for them to marinate for like 5 minutes or so without judgment and hopefully like maybe you think sinking in a different way then when hands are directly on them and then after that we know if we were undressed or whatever we going we chat for when I don’t see how that was how I’m like what what what they may have wanted more or less maybe like the headlight bulb moments you know throughout the about the process yeah so that’s kind of how how my sessions tend to go and it’s it’s kind of difficult to say like all I always do this for always do that I think because every person is different and everything they come to see me with might be different mainly it’s about like definitely like about breasts and and checking on your breathing because so often we don’t we don’t consciously breathe everybody knows I say that on my friend phone down and yeah just like this like practice of noticing also is is super interesting to me and like noticing and not necessarily having to do anything about if it’s like oh hey like what’s going on in your pinky toe okay it’s kind of goofy but it’s right on so then when a person has a session and they get sent on their merry way are there is there like a Aftercare list of things to be aware of family and you instruct them to take B have a journal so they can take notes if things come up if they want to remember afterwards or or any any kind of instructions like what you call it a discharge sheet or whatever they would do at a hospital or something I haven’t had that yet maybe I need to but I kind of just depends on the person maybe they just need more resources because maybe the work we did was fine but maybe they need something else I’m in addition to that so I would give them resources for example if they needed more like what do you call it more of a reciprocal touch or something maybe I prefer them to like a cuddle event because like I’m touching you but you’re just kind of being there and it might not it’s just not exactly the same sort of experience so of classes play we have so many so many resources that we shouldn’t take for granted or they might naturally gravitate towards that but I I I also sometimes they like homework lowercase age cuz I don’t want people to be like for those kind of things so I want people to connect in a way that works for them can ice I would say also that my practice even though I’ve been kind of at this for 4 years is still really new and I haven’t had enough of an experience really to like how to complete exact formula so I’m like super flexible I’m depending on on the person I always leave it open-ended of like you know please reach out to me if you have you no questions or like concerns your freaking out or I’ll try to be as supportive as I can I say that also with my students as well I don’t want people to think like a cool we did this thing for a few hours and now what but so if people take me up on it I’m totally there but I can do Yeah OK Google will another another question would be sweet I think you we touched upon earlier that you wouldn’t necessarily expect that a sex let’s go bodyworker would have a someone in the role not necessarily a nurse practitioner who is officially trained but someone who is there to just be a witness to hold space in a more kind of new-age sense or or receiving her practical sense of making sure there’s water making sure the temperature is you know you don’t have to get up and change the room temperature if the person’s not comfortable or something so is that something that is built into the program or not so much for something that you would hope that you would have eventually and it’s just not it’s cost-prohibitive or that would be super cool. Like teams of people but now it’s all just me and hopefully I don’t have to like get a lien on it with like coconut oil drenched hands or something like still with stuff I try my best in the Hands-On sort those scenarios to have everything within you know I like a quick trip around the table kind of walking distance you know and I think we’ve had to have like a blanket or like a sheet that’s long enough so that we can drape over if someone needs that I recommend wearing socks sometimes that helps with body temperature I mean I think most people are so sadly unfortunately embarrassed and ashamed about being just naked let alone naked and being stimulated so there’s so many barriers to being fully just relaxed and comfortable just being naked let alone like I said being to having everything and it’s been happening but I think in a perfect world it would be more conducive to I guess best medical practices in in in general looking at that model to have there be support staff who you if you have to press an emergency button they come running in you know or if you have to you know if there’s if there’s a Medicus I’ve seen things in the in my non-certified sexological Bodywork practice that can sometimes make you want to push a panic button of some kind so that’s I guess the question would be what if someone said hey can I you know you can even recommend but we’re just explore this save this this notion that if if there were more money if there were more money in the practice or let’s say in your bank account then you could hire staff as part of your practice or you can say something like if you have a trusted friend who you could bring or a partner or somebody who can be there and sign a release form or some some sort of paperwork that you know gives them a bit of an orientation but then they could be the emergent like the live emergency contact in the session with them I mean that seems like maybe a perfect world scenario and like it’s hard because most people they don’t want anyone else to see what they’re about to go through they don’t know what it’s going to be like 2 so there’s that too so just thoughts on on these because we are sometimes we don’t even like if it’s a partner person they might not even the partner may not even know that they’re coming to see me which is the whole sandwich like you know I can’t I don’t want to judge but also it’s like I like and also like that that’s not quite related but this time John told that like if you can’t if your partner in your coming to see me and you can’t really talked about the fact that you’re coming to see me and then suggestions I give you my dear Aliyah till I bringing this up with your partner and they can’t sell seems like I so limited like how I can help you if you can’t no breach that like that divides like I can’t unless I’m going to come home with you and Mike have an intervention and I think people are going to do but I think it would be kind of cool to be able to have like I don’t know even like a like a resource or something where I could be like hey if you’re having this reaction that I could you know I don’t know call in the sex positive whatever EMT I don’t know that is not a thing that any of his every need guy so I don’t really have a good answer for that yeah I was just curious if you if you have fuel that paying you know that that it would be in a perfect world it wouldn’t be so taboo it wouldn’t be so we wouldn’t be so legally limited and so financially limited to do what feels right and I’ll be nice as much as hey why this is important work how do you do it right well you know you really are serious let me let me list everything that could be optimized about it because I think the time will come when people look up to people such as yourself and they want to change the policy and change the you know everything from the laws to the health insurance programs and and all of that and diversion program certainly for perpetrators to get this work done and other types of sexual healing modalities there a lot of victims of trauma and abuse and misuse it’s important to include people who just have never had orgasm especially women during sex or no said I would consider that not necessarily directly a form of abuse that cause that and in all cases but really miss you soooo is another term that kind of expands the the range of what people are dysfunctional sexually about are the causes of it so I just wanted to put that in the sidebar but the question I have is it for the inquiry here is that a lot of this work is being done for victims of abuse and misuse and I don’t know if yet there is a a real massive campaign to Market this work for perpetrators to get treatment and I don’t know if the let me know would like to see a world where people who are doing this work or so disgusted and fed up by the Mount of sexual violation that’s happening in the caseloads that we all have that we actually want to go after the root source and it end and deal with the predators in the perpetrators of all kinds and so proactively Market to them and Market to the criminal psychiatrist in Market to the Social Service nonprofits that are working to rehabilitate and all of those even the even the that the the religious what do you call in The Minister’s that work in the prison so you know I mean it it’s there so many different people who are trying to address the issue of Rehabilitation perpetrators and they don’t even know this kind of work exists I have no idea about it so there’s that potential for people in the field to 22 / actively seek clients you know in that sense as a business strategy of all things if not just out of the compassion for their victims that they work on it is also the potential of there being political pressure to say you don’t get to go back into the general population as a citizen as a sex offender unless you have gone through this type of purging and this is the closest form of a medical sexual sort of exorcism if you will that currently exist and everything else is way out there on the fringes so this could be a real powerful piece and so I’m just wondering now you know having laid out that you know this this sort of this inquiry if have yourself worked on anyone who would self-identify as having harmful parafilias or being a sex offender if whatever kind and if if so with what you have to say about that and if not if you know any colleagues and have that cuz I think that’s really where the research should be done you know so we can go after the root of the problem and not just be you know putting Band-Aids on it one person at a time so that’s my PSA right there if I have I’ve nuts never been something that was disclosed to me by a client so that’d be difficult to stay I do think that this is a valuable segment of where some of this work could go and definitely more needs to be looked into seeing how we could reframe this in a more yeah more of a rehabilitation sort of sort of a context I’m also not familiar with people who are doing this work and not particularly not in looks like a logical Bodywork although that definitely sounds like a valuable thing something in like a corner of my mind that I can’t fully recall is maybe there’s a little bit of research on it and I want to say a friend and colleague of mine doctor DJ WIlliams who is a research director at the center for positive sexuality where I’m a board member and educator has done a bit of a little bit of research at least around totally going to ruin this around like Galaxy Prime something to do with like sexual crimes or something like that I’m not I’m going to try because I’ll totally mess it up but yeah I would definitely encourage folks to look into the Journal of positive sexuality where there’s original research being done around that and that way you can find DJ and his work he’s also an amazing researcher and general I am definitely a little bit out of the loop when it comes to this particular segment of of the broader like sexual healing umbrella but definitely I’d be open to learning more cool thank you for that yeah I’m here just looking for whatever leads and support and yeah broadening the discourse as much as I can and so did for me this this whole podcasts is a ongoing research project so I really value and appreciate everything that you’re sharing and your willingness to open up about these things in it sounds like you’re having a blast and having fun and you’re not but do you have what would be some advice that you have as a practitioner to avoid burnout in to do self-care into just make sure that you’re doing your own spiritual energetic hygiene so that you you can continue to be blasting through this stuff and I’m not sure that I have the answer to that cuz I definitely had been feeling a little bit of burnout particularly we didn’t talk about it but that’s totally fine around like the blogging stuff and like sex for a year if you make them just like I don’t want cuz just bodies and thinking critically about things sometimes I’d rather not but definitely like even acknowledging that you know what we might be sometimes the face of these you know how edgy you know sexuality is this like a g thing and we’re supposed to know this word expert actually really gets under my skin I don’t claim to be an expert cuz like I barely know myself I don’t want to claim to know about other people but I would hope that we could recognize that it’s okay to want to not do this for a little while in like that’s why it’s important to have like other interests and hobbies whatever those are and and not necessarily neglect those along the way you know whether it’s like you know going to the theater or getting your manicure pedicure sort of thing or taking a yoga classes are you no cooking or anything like that it’s important to to stay connected to those other things and you know we also so much in the social media world where everything you know we don’t really take photographs or posts things about the difficult the difficult nest and the rough patches and how tired or how much energy your how much work we know we have or don’t have that goes into the other side of the best of everyone just like happy smiling and body face or whatever is lovely more of that but also there are two sides at least two sides probably way more to all of this is that you know yet is a struggle and it is difficult and I mean just for people in this feel that goes really anything which is you know we get so surrounded by these like you know Stepford Wives clink robot you know everything so happy and perky for a lot of people the world is falling apart and sometimes literally so it’s okay to take a breath and take take a break from social media that something I have not yet done as a millennial true to my you know Millennial nature I need to like be tapped in all the time but yeah I think it’s important it’s like take a step back and like look into the other interests you have in your life and not just be like constantly trying to kill ourselves fruit for this so this is all the things that the industrial capitalist imagine that we would be doing with these well with was with however many more than 40 hours a work week it was when there was no child labor laws and when there is no weekend and when it says they had enriching in it sometimes that you know exhilarating it’s very energy-intensive and so these things and other people’s process and it’s it’s a lot and then you have to go and go with your own like whatever you’re going through possibly it’s just it’s so much and practically because Quality Inn Lake Buena conversations around sexuality and gender and everything are at least at least for me I don’t know it’s like I feel like I’m constantly surrounded by this in one way or another that like I can’t I almost can’t let go down the street and like there’s a billboard that I’m just like a rolling my eyes are you know just like why would you choose to do this and this way again who are the people that you’re not targeting we’re having this thing aren’t you know what how how is this Frame do you know Marketing in like what does it say about ideal bodies are ideal sexuality is very stinky and all that is just it’s just marketing and all bodies are amazing and you know just be where you’re at it makes me just realized we live in a trauma soup you know you can’t open your eyelids you can’t wake up and not be traumatized by million things in one day if you’re having to make a living in this world and you don’t have the the freedom and luxury and privilege to go meditate in the caves in the Himalayas do you know you no longer treats and stuff so yeah we certainly salute you in the work that you’re doing and the leadership that you’re you’re taking on and I really appreciate that we’ve gotten to explore some of these issues and feel like this just opens the door for more people who want to step up and you know you could have interns interns could be the ones who come in and don’t ask for money in her willing to just be apprentices and they could do things like change the temperature in the room for you or for the client and so interns you know get on board let’s do this it’s it’s it’s a worthy cause your website and talk about to again just what you have to offer and how people can connect in any any final closing words that you like to share Vixen. V i x e n n e.com I am at Doctor Vixen on pretty much most of social media I’m happy happy to you know how potential clients I don’t sell take everyone but I’m open to at least find enough people reach out to me and I can refer people out is if it’s not too good to say I’m totally okay with doing that for a sex logical Body Works like one-on-one stuff if you want other I’d rather talk about together but like I have done on classes on squirting no demo so it’s not super edgy but Turnigy which is fine and the focus is not so much on gender but about bodies and how how that can happen I also have I will have planned will plan circles in Los Angeles I’m also bringing a little mini series up to Sacramento again at the end of June so Sacramento peeps get in touch no I’m just happy to connect with folks find me on social media and you know I take pictures of my lattes true and any words I guess maybe people who were inspired by what you’re saying and want to get involved you recommend that they save up and and get him or with the trainings that you did and how would you know or donate to different organizations or just you know believes your tax burden we do Outreach education education and we have a research we have our I think it’s now on our third volume of are peer-reviewed real access journal the journal positive sexuality so we definitely we reach people both locally and globally so it’s just it’s so amazing I love the work that we do what else can I would definitely suggest the people at least look into the psychological Body Work Association cuz I mean I’m just in La I know that there are other workers here but they are all over the world their training is all over the world and then also legalities will vary depending on location so I mean the training a super super valuable even if you plan on never using it in your practice like if you just want to know if you are talk therapist and you know there’s all that those boundary things that you have to be mindful of it could be super valuable to just take it not for the certification but just to add your toolbox yeah so yeah that would be really helpful I think also will thank you so much for your time and just have a wonderful day and we’ll definitely be in touch podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at our trip songs. 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Exploring Extreme Eroticism with Ayzad TPP105

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In this episode I’m joined by Ayzad an exquisite scholar of all things erotic and extreme. We explore human sexuality from the affirming to the disturbing and beyond. Ultimately we find redemption and hope in the efforts of sexual liberators to create consensual, safe, and sane spaces to share experiences, knowledge and wisdom without repression.

Please visit his website at:
http://www.Ayzad.com

About Ayzad:
I was born in 1969. I am a reformed journalist, a writer, alternative sexuality educator and a personal coach. I have been practicing BDSM for 30 years now and Ayzad is the pseudonym under which in 2004 I wrote BDSM – A Guide for Explorers of Extreme Eroticism, where I collected everything I had learned from my studies of a really endless topic. That manual became a best seller starting collaborations with sexologists and scholars who drew me to extend my research to every form of unusual sexuality.

The first result was another book titled XXX – The Dictionary of Unusual Sex (currently, most of my books are available in Italian only, sorry!), followed by many other projects described within my website, including the novel Original Sins, the biography The Mistress and the guide to extreme erotic relationships I Love BDSM.

Ayzad.com was born to collect and share my daily discoveries about the lesser known aspects of sex, to have fun together and – as it always happens with these things – to better know ourselves. Enjoy.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast number 105 I’m on Skype with his Dad he is a author and kink educator and I’ve discovered his work through a list of sex bloggers and a directory and was blown away by how much of the depths of material he’s amassed on his website all about everything can’t get in BDSM and just a lot of the obscurities of the history of human sexuality and certainly the the policies and repressive tendencies that have forced a lot of a lot of human sexual expression underground and into various forms of sort of cultural resistance and so it’s obviously something that I’m very interested in tracking and seeing where where a lot of what were what we’re dealing with is coming from and understanding the origins in pain also the The Leverage points where we’re sort of from taking the power back by any means necessary so is that what you like to tell us about your background and how are you became the authority of in the Kink world that you have become very early I have always been attracted to the king even when I was still pretty sexual as a child and I like the imagery Hyatt House box to experience it as soon as I became Antilla in around the end of the century I took a sabbatical we are out of my journalistic job and I took the opportunity to write a book called BDSM guide for Express extreme eroticism which should I I felt it would just be a reference for a vacuum stairs in the in my phone, by the way I know I sound a little bit with my English and well what do you know it became a messages and emails of people thanking me for my job that’s made them feel normal saline accepted by Ciara ended I had to choose between continuing a really graceful job or be coming to Decatur and well here I am after so many years. I’ve been doing all the books I’ve become a personal coach meaning your I help people find the optimal strategy to Silver King related issues and rice to my website of course kaiser.com a YZ80 that it will thank you for doing that in and I love your accent it really adds to the Exotic flare so I appreciated everything is going to land even better it’s a thrill to to hear you speak and I have watched some of your YouTube videos and I so you had yeah you have a website that’s a Blog and you know so if you create video content and kind of curating a lot of material that can support people on their journey and also just really scholarly archivist if you will it sounds like you’ve got a lot of a lot of ability and interest to two kind of document this this these phenomena in in human cultural Evolution so do you want to talk about some of your I guess favorite topics favorite areas of exploration and expertise in and then we can go from there but I found out pretty early that’s it when you talk about sex it is really about sexy self it is mostly other aspects of The Human Experience from unusual aspects of sexuality and explore how they connect your everyday life basically science with history where the fashion religion whatever and this helps a lot in understanding the life in that no more General sense right on yeah you know there’s how would you define kink for people since you have a more vast knowledge and maybe give us a sense of the the etymology do we know really where that term came into use and why and what it say what what it originally was used to mean and in any of that sort of origin story and when people started to use this term in English I mean but generally speaking which refers to any form of meaning not the standard normal accepted to generate a lot of time to culture is prune Jawga fee as well so it’s mostly shorthand 220k to anything a little or a lot older and pleasurable yeah so interesting is it we take it for granted I feel like the from an anthropological perspective if you will it’s it’s sort of an established subculture that is very open-ended but also has certain kind of um sort of standardized memes if you will around the Dungeons and the established kind of I guess you could say I think I’ve seen a breakdown of what I don’t know how they did this research but it showed the most popular Kinks or fetishes sort of broken down in order so you can see that you know it was the list with something like I’m no group sex sex in public sex with a married person things that were taboo breaking so that they could provide it a kick or extraterrestrial that would you know add to the experience and then it gets into more more assertive idiosyncrasies around childhood issues or traumas or just more something just gets sort of stuck at some point and something in a loop and it gets wired with the the erogenous tissues in the whole experience of sexual arousal it’s gets deeply associated with an object or a environment or some some kind of space but it’s so broaden and an open-ended really it feels like you would have to the Baseline to judge what is there isn’t kinky is is going to be a moving Target across the world because there is not there is no real standard the only attempt to standardize sex has been by the Catholic church is pretty much is that right yes I know but I believe we we came to a rubber Goods definition what can be standardized on North with the DSM diagnostic manual for used by psychologists everywhere weather baraz mental issues with people or not and it’s basically turns out to be at that anything that does not create to and eustress and distress actually to yourself and the people around you is just fine no matter how strange it sounds and this is a very good guideline which SSC are ants on the study book wonderful history because when I go round and just service ask people what they are or not the subjects are usually pretty embarrassed to check just have me to watch buy a tree like is so there’s two researchers Yoder of his book and it took Ann Arbor Pro online searches for sex-related Thrones but when you cross the globe and produced a lot of different possible researchers but least of the 100 more widespread fetishes and yes I had to it’s a 2-hour resonates with the watch is considered Taboo in lots of ways and by different cultures what’s up with some very strange things into it I believe that the first search German general is you. Meaning pedophilia but just in general and the garage I’m really worried for some for water sports are very high in the list while we’re on our practice is it which one generally considered more accepted on normal RL way down right now but I can link it to you and you’re going to be well yeah I follow the the PornHub insights newsletter where they send the basically a sector analytics for the searches and they they address certain areas or certain events in this very interesting breakdown you have very insightful if you will have to understand the zeitgeist mean to the search engines metrics is the best way to measure the stuff in for anything you can use the trends. Google.com I believe that Google trans is the tool where you can compare different keyword searches overtime and kind of do your own comparisons like that so yeah I’m familiar with that I didn’t know that there was a study done that kind of intensive over a year’s time it’s great so another question I have for you is I came across this beautiful piece of work it was it was a web web interface that I can remember exactly the name of it it was something like that it looks like a pirate map but it’s like the whole map of the different types of Kings view reference at are right about that at all or it is an interesting visual representation over the intercom the deck connectedness all the kings and even then it is just a very small part of the whole lot of field when I rode to the book called XXX have a dictionary of a text which unfortunately joining two different cultures the cultural of normal people and culture of sexologists kind of removed I found in their knowledge of anything for affiliate have reached an excellent very interesting in in size about this but they just don’t choke there’s something I just got out when the talking about BDSM extreme eroticism and I invited to six ology conferences and this professionals ask me things I really couldn’t understand because I didn’t have the worst and at the same time that you don’t understand my answers because I used to terms which are considered normal SSC and so I called this kind of dictionary to help people better communicate with each other and started listing for fuel you say encountered them and I had to stop at 1:15 hundred of them had reached the end but because it was time to to go into framed and round as a matter of fact and digital edition of this book is a incredibly complex 850ml file where the something like 11,000 internal links is so hard how long did it take you to do that I deleted but it was also the coronation of loss of years of research earlier on so I collected lots of information along the way and that was a good occasion to try and make it into a coherent system wow okay well this is exciting I I just came across a scholar who who described yourself as a cultural sexologist with the as an anthropologist studying different permutations of sexuality that are across and within a cross-cultural perspective and having a sort of cultural relativism about sexual practices and taboos and whatnot and I find that feel very exciting to be able to put in context a lot of the Hang-Ups or no issues that people have let’s see in the so-called West at when you see people are struggling with just monogamy and vanilla vanilla monogamous kind of expectations to find the one soulmate and never have desires for anyone else and never cheat or look for any kind of experiences outside of that perfect together forever till death do us part. I’m and then if you look at it gets a new at work I think it’s name is Chris Ryan sex at dawn that that book that really brings a lot of cross-cultural examples of long-standing traditional societies been around for thousands of years who have Customs such as shared paternity where all of the men are few responsible to all of the children in a tribe or a village and there isn’t any kind of clothes proprietary nuclear family models that at all and so it’s really liberating in a Guiding Light to see those those you can call him first peoples or dismiss people’s or pre-agricultural or notice the number of anthropological terms did he has your research and compassed any of those let’s say with any of those Concepts non-western or indigenous or or Cincy. Graphics thing I mean the concept of them although more turn I set it at school it’s like pee not affect bone out to Romanticism Manta as a philosophical movement and before that it was just accepted that people had a much wider idea of relationships and sex and you know things just to change for time and very restless that just think for example that one in of the animal one of the first meetings all the American Congress in the United States one of the counselor went on in history cross-dressing outfits outfit and nobody found anything all day about that and it was it wasn’t so long ago then I ate everything changed everything will change as a matter of fact I just a few hours ago I I stumbled onto a very neat piece of literature about the morality of relativism all the idea of family and it wasn’t I believe the full station something but that was published it one year ago and the evolution of society and deviance everyone you know them a little sip them because I know that you are looking cute go back to the sex cave just like everybody else does what you doing you should your children should have just one father and one mother and then what is it that’s so cool in Chris Ryan’s book what he points to is this this anthropological term you could say it’s jargon like the sexologist but it’s it’s a powerful term that Fierce egalitarian ISM which basically means that it’s not just that people who were let’s say nomatic gatherer Hunters who didn’t accumulate a lot of private property and wealth and didn’t have very strong structure sartorial boundaries in the what essentially share everything out of necessity and you know you could romanticize that and say oh it’s because they were more noble Savages and they’re more virtuous which I think is generally true that’s my that’s my personal opinion but to be more at scholarly about it and they came up with the term that actually it’s more probably more accurate and you can see this in living at Niagara fees of nomadic Heather Hunter foraging people’s is that Fierce egalitarian ism is the idea that it’s not just said you know it’s nice to share things it’s that if you were hoarding things and you were not sharing things then there’s going to be a real backlash a real problem with that so it’s not that it’s not that you would extrapolate that all that means that women have no rights to their bodies and in and it’s not like Clan of the Cave Bear that you know a woman is public property to be used for Sex On Demand with no agency but rather everyone including the men would be obliged to share food sex shelter medicine skills new discoveries whatever it is it’s it’s that that sense but but what you’re describing why The Flintstones it’s it’s this cultural norm that is about not separating and taking basically inhibiting the development of an individualized you know egomania and controlling so that’s really great so that’s that that’s a new that’s a new licensed work of the franchise of The Flintstones or is that one is that something from the past an experiment in making older Hanna Barbera characters into more modern that’s what it what you want what you say is very very real and what we could divorce hearing to a politics discussion. we are actually seeing the results all the excessive bloating and capitalism right now with everything that’s happened has a way of rebelling sing itself so we’re probably right now at to one extreme about women’s rights and lack of women’s rights and disparity and will probably swing back to something more equal and even if it will take picture of several several years right right so something interesting historical phenomenon that I discovered around Kink that I’d love to see if you have any any material on Earth looked at as if there was a time I guess it was I don’t know the exact date range but it was Weimar Germany after World War where there was such Financial Devastation that this whole economy of dominatrix is kind of from became extremely prevalent and just it was probably the most I don’t guess you could say extreme or or just the most public moment in time where the sex worker economy around Kink was just flourishing but in some tightness in some ways in a very Sinister way because people just had to do what they had to do and so I don’t know there’s there’s a really negative characterizations of what was happening in her some extreme things happening that you would consider to be some of the worst human-rights violations and studied that. In that that place at all and if you have any thoughts about it and is it that the holes author of the book called voluptuous Panic which High reviews on my website by the way Witcher really goes beyond the stereotypes of the Weimar Republic and explains the Dynamics the mechanism social mechanisms behind that kind of economy that kinds all the collect Social Clubs and the rise of Nazism and let’s say it was involuntary but it became the one example MP3 of mankind where you could see what a limited access to any kind of sex any kind of can’t go do to society and it was very positive and negative and it it really cannot be summarized in them in a few phrases but everybody knows not see is a burnt books and nobody kind of remembers that the first book but burning was the library of The Institute Forest search of sexuality of Magnus hirschfeld who was the first sex ologist to study King well this is this message means a lot about the importance of a sex-positive you all the time of sex and health the point is this is really a key concept I found it in my my research in my life when you learn to question where are you you learned that being is not always bad that quality is not always better in a specific context at Mt. See other ways of interpreting your world any you started to develop a critical view of everything not just within the field of sex but then when you were here a politician at on television saying he has your best interest in mind maybe use you start questioning maybe you start questioning why saying gay people should have married or things like that and this kind of Liberty critical thinking can be very dangerous for some kind of governments and that this right now with my States of America right so you know without getting yourself in any trouble so I guess I’m curious what the what your thoughts are on the Catholic church in its I guess you would have a a very interesting you know set of insights just giving you your geography there but yes you know things are on not so easy to summarize again because it is very easy way easy to generalize different that a very wide view on how to sing but generally speaking play the Catholic church has been a victim of itself and its effects and it has grown to be a really evil force came out to just a few weeks ago cool the last and I think it is and it is a very rigorous analysis the papers the letters of the sentences of the inquiry and police work about the Catholic church and pedophilia the portrait it gives a visit of a part of this organization is a Beyond chilling it you see when you think you’re all that I need a little gas station you might be think of Spectre from the James Bond movies off of a church of course and so it is very hard to generalize but having said this again when in time mental freedom of religion Surah of the far-right see themselves as endangered and this is why I pay strike back at Freedom what is happening right now so are you now I’m glad that you brought that up because it’s very much my kind definitely doing a secrecy but it certainly my mission and in purpose in life to help people understand that repression in zep generating perpetrators of all kinds so that’s a simple truism put on what what I discovered just within the last couple years is that there is a historical fact about historical fact that there was a decision made sometime soon I think in the 1500s or don’t quote me on that I don’t have the reference it right in front of me but there was an in an exact moment where decision was made within the Catholic Church to to disallow its clergyman from reproducing and having children progeny because it was basically leaking assets out of the financial Financial the coffers of the church were basically being drained by the fact that they’re clergyman where we producing so the way to to control more of the wealth of the church was to choose to actually make a to declare that celibacy was was going to be a mandatory and that single event to my understanding is what has been has been the result of the cause the Cascade of obviously the repression and then that manifesting is the pedophilia so that’s a pretty Stark it’s mortifying people throwing your hands up in the air to try to understand what’s going on it was if this is generally accepted to be a fact then it is the greed and the lust of money that has betrayed and put in Peril and caused this horrific harm to so many children around the planet all because of this financial gain prerogative do you have any knowledge of that if I could pull it up on Wikipedia and probably make it a lot more concise and clear but I figured you might have some knowledge of that that shift that occurred in that what she described I believe the proven that has many different sources many different types of that’s Concord to creating the situation and actually sexual repression begin began and the Bible Church began around the year 1000 any organized church is a recording good organization so be seeking donations or a stool King people people people or distress people is a very good way to accumulate wealth for overtime under the point to all the church is not to be with it just teddy bear do I have been doing it for thousands of years and they will keep doing it and in the end you will have us with a situation such as unfortunately my home country where a very large part of the real estate is owned by the church and I never want to leave early influence in politics and Society I know if you know this but see your I need to leave to come on the four newspapers to have one or two pages all the church comments on the everyday facts Even Flow related in any way to religion and this is what you know again building a culture of them critical thinking is the best weapon against this beat against to any church not just a Catholic one or any kind of repressive regime just takes loss crying Willam so in that film I saw that I didn’t read the book but I did see the film of The DaVinci Code and it did that was the first time I heard that the the the term God’s Mafia and when you looking at I looked at the penitentials did you study that. Where the basically created a price sheet for every sin they could think of from every form of state so that was an important turning point in the monetization of sin and I guess you could call it a spiritual extortion because the threat of hell and Damnation is a is sort of like a an L A Street gang coming up to your taco stand and saying you’re going to pay tribute to the gang or we’re going to and will provide you protection from other gangs ID the devil and angel and demon see how it sits it interesting racquet and interesting form of extortion based on an invisible looming threat that’s completely metaphysical and and contrived you know I don’t know in but based on real real well I guess patterns of fear but this whole into spiritual intermediary that extract money from you when you send that’s quite a a business model and can you talk about your I think I don’t really understand what the Vatican is that considered to be the the headquarters of the entire the sort of the capital of the Catholic church but it’s it’s like a compound it’s a fortress it’s it’s got and username Cloud a very small one with him the city of Rome and then you probably know it’s boundary one of his boundary which is but some Peter Square What weather the great Basilica is the pope held out the window and this has allowed it to to be completely immune to any kind of control by the states surrounding it and by any of his wife were example of which are acting you into a traditional system anywhere so for example to you earlier on you see how when one police Works inquiry is it gets to the point where we’re at a guilty verdict is expected in spinal expected to just get some Buscopan protection get a citizenship and had to stay with them their title or to work as a diplomat again it would be unfair to put rate as an entirely evil organization or a you know in and it’s something that was only for a for a personal enrichment to loss of of good works there is no doubt that historically that I have done much more damage if they all want to protect students Nazi is from persecution protecting them for the travel in the States from from Justice by off the one at people at the stake literally for a circle heresy which basically and generally only man to that they were a large part of the real estate Specialists Church won’t they neck deep into this pedophilia so you know it’s very very hard for me to be benign with them but it isn’t even as simple as just a few of your sentence is a whore missing for vacation like to The Da Vinci Code Fallout version right yeah that’s a it is very complex from your studies 7th what how are the spinning this media disaster this public relations disaster of the pedophile priests what’s their I mean do they have a department that’s that’s working to have a Consultants how are they avoiding mass m agency that there could be a day where enough evidence is gathered throughout the world for a new form of some human rights violation you can call it spiritual abuse or where it’s they actually have to pay reparations for every I mean imagine there being an international class action lawsuit has some teeth where they would be forced to pay reparations to people just bear with me for a second while I I kind of try to put this into words but if it’s in any other let’s say if you were a chemical manufacturing company that distributed a product all throughout the world that and they covered up that there was mercury in the product or some controlled you know toxic degenerative substance that ended up causing people to have deformities and cancer in their teeth and hair to fall out or whatever and you had the right team of scientists and and lawyers and human rights organizations and Watchdog groups were they could actually build a case where people who had been afflicted by this this chemical product could actually stand together and claim major damages and I feel like that’s I would hope that there is some effort to organize the victims of Catholic spiritual sexual abuse and for there to be reparations and compensation on a mass scale I mean if they do that with letters sometimes from car manufacturers that say you know basically if you purchased a vehicle of this model make and model from this time frame you are now entitled to claim thousands of dollars in Damages because we got you know a class action lawsuit that you wouldn’t even heard about it so imagine just everyday everyone who’s ever been you know forced into Catholicism by any means you know they could claim yeah I was I was indoctrinated by priests you know whether or not the molesting a person her or not there’s to sort of a a corruption that is just absolutely what’s the word should be implicated at a broad-scale and I don’t know if that’s I mean I don’t know if you see that as being realistic or if there’s any effort force it and it has everything you described Easter already there are class actions International inquiries sentences but the basic difference between a car manufacturer for example and the and the church and this church particular is better, a picture is a subject to the same laws that you and I are subjected to where is it the church to its lowest only because of you know as soon as things turned bad for them as well because we have a secret tribunal and the actual did charge of the case and Demeter doubt a sentence of penance if of course the fact it is proved by us not about you and this is it’s because you know you would have to be I’m sorry you have to be oh basically you you have to be to accept the singer you. You don’t have to punish him because you know the church is about love so we love our seniors and then and that’s it again by somebody and then cooled Emiliano City party and it’s actually the the sequel to The greed which explored the financial sense of the Catholic church and I’m looking I’m looking for a John on Amazon., and I don’t think there is an English edition yet but it is feeling because one of the things you discover and the public fax is it’s not a conspiracy theory I mean I have the papers even have a special office was only purpose is to negotiate with victims of a pedophilia and other scandals by Martha and look at the letters from these are special office that when you look at the payments you find out if I generally negotiate for Sam’s which one tenth of what is civil jury people who have been ballot where you have been indoctrinated where have been just don’t have that the instrument the tools to to fight back how would you fight back an organization with hundreds of thousands of men all around the world and it unlimited Financial power to destroy you so thank you for sharing all this stuff this is I’m getting the chills right now and so sounds like the the only way I would say if there was a a human rights organized and I would consider it a form of sex trafficking if you were if the church is is especially taking disadvantaged children Morse dispar disproportionately disadvantaged children who don’t have solid families or I mean that was what came out in that spot light research at Boston Globe investigation was that it was intended to be there like any predator has the is cunning enough to go after. Pray who are relatively helpless so if that was people from you no children that are orphans or broken from broken home or don’t have the family with the solid financial means to mount a defense or even pay attention or even care it’s obviously a systematic abuse of the easily exploitable and so you would think that sex trafficking nongovernmental organizations that are working to stop sex tourism and in all these other facets of of sexual slavery and trafficking would if they were to have to go. I’m going to start researching it’s a lot more because you’ve provided some very important insights that I just was ignorant to I guess what I’m my question for you now at this point is it seems like given the lack of jurisdiction that you were saying that they’re not subject to the laws and regulations in Judicial Systems of any other Nation or state that the only way that other the devicq the countries of the victims if they were to actually resist this alien power that gives them carte blanche for abusing children sexually with very little recourse that you would have to boycott the currency from that you have to somehow mark their bills and say you know you can spend money here it would be called I know what the word is it said you would impose economic sanctions you know embargo you can’t is dairy really in Neverending Topix explain about the Texas Tech system here I need to lie where are you I basically forced by the second law states to pay a small part of your tax money to the Catholic church for example to all the negotiation between the Vatican State and and Battalion state budget before I want to do that because it would be too long by I will give you an inside a hoe by Cardinal Savannah said it no more than 5% of priests does abused minors which beside the thing that you just won what they want man but doesn’t sound that bad until you know that there are about four hundred thousand priests around so 5% is about twenty thousand of them 20,000 child rapists by the church upchurch’s onam admission which is beyond feeling well well on that summer know. I think it’d be great to wrap up with maybe some of the most hopeful and invigorating and exciting positive Horizons that that you’re you’re keeping track of in the the world of Kink and BDSM and maybe you know whatever can help us kind of counterbalance that that exploration of the evil which I mean in maybe even things where we can see positive examples of people just shedding that dog, and that indoctrination and in carving out new cultural space for sex positive expiration with immorality that comes from Community standards that are are more kinky we concentrated on the Catholic church but really those are so different organizations and school so that’s it are very sick negative and there is only one common weapon against this and it is just sharing how late is searching for knowledge and openly discussing anything sex in Notting a it’s both our way but just because it is a very interesting topic has actually I just lost all connections to our subject you just have to fix your favorite subject and go from there keeping an open mind and nourishing feeding your curiosity for for life in general I mean in the end of what was meant to be a just a quick guide became a monster of a book all about 600 pages and it was so because when I started exploring the topic in detail I started the listing that it’s a relation to science to history to art to do so many different fields including you know pretty obvious things like the history of food for example or exploration off different countries end in the end I guess what what came out was a very comprehensive guide to BDSM of course but to also a great way to so many different forms of knowledge which should Wichita explore starting point for your explorations what in the where do you recommend people go obviously there’s fetlife.com which is probably would you consider FetLife to be the the most accessible widest Network for people to join and kind of Explorer I’m not sure yeah with that there’s other resources that you recommend or the largest social network for Four Kings jersey but this doesn’t mean it is all good whenever you have access to anything you have to remember that some information might not be tried and tested to maybe it is it is it lets buys did not for malicious reasons but just because people. Don’t fact check everything there they write so well maybe you have to take it with a pinch of salt I would humbly suggest people to come over and visit to Isaac. Com a y c a d well they can find loss and lost of resources not just what I ride but there is for example a student websites and our sources for every form of knowledge of a kink in general not just and then of course there is your local community and maybe you might not find this information we have a life people is right on and you are talked about your book that you mentioned but you mentioned to me that you were wanting to talk about do you want to so maybe you want to go to close on a note saying you can download the free preview for my website and so people can get their own idea what it is about oh great. Okay so yeah we’ll put that link in the show notes for sure and yeah if you have any final closing thoughts you want to share and we could talk for a horse and a sand by the way maybe if you’re interested we can do it again come over on my website and download the previous I believe that I could do okay go to and I will put the link in the show notes to the people can go and download the so it’s an English is the English translation of the book as an e-book on Amazon awesome well I guess I’ll take a breath here in and see if there’s any you have that as well yeah they are Maria called weather UCR I’m all right got it okay yeah well I would just like to say again thank you so much and really you were and there’s there’s a place in my heart for the scholars of of people who really have found their passion to be you know you want to call it a thority in the field but certainly a powerful reference you know Alexa Khan for for all of this material and it says it’s just really refreshing and really exciting and I feel that a lot of you know I guess you could say this about any subculture or or Nitch or no cultural phenomenon is it there is there’s people who are just kind of along for the ride and that’s great you know they don’t not everybody has to be a real scholar but putting in efforts to understand things but the people who take that time to curate the information so that people have access I really appreciate that and so you’re kind of a scribe as it were for this very interesting world and you’ve been able to answer some my most my most I guess I could say deepest darkest questions if your deepest darkest questions about this and you’re also helping helping me to open my my heart because I’ve been you know in some ways I guess by Oster disappointed or I can’t I have to admit that I’ve I’ve I’ve had some pretty negative experiences in the Kink BDSM world that have have kind of discolored my attitudes towards it so I’m I’m wanting to I open my heart and be more open and accepting an m in this this definitely helps me kind of fuel and move forward you know I guess there’s just been yeah some some Shadow transgressions that I have experienced at the hands of people who probably don’t have as much respect for the art form and the lifestyle that that you do so I’m hoping that yet people can kind of get more proper education if if if that’s the right way to say it or just saying and consensual so yeah on that note I think we’ll just call that a good intro episode and for sure will we will be at this again to keep track of of developments and you don’t actually know this will be the final question so you would be Fifty Shades of Grey what what it what are your thoughts on that you could take your time to I did it I’m just I’m I feel like I’ve we’ve had a good stopping point on for more question so you can just go on with that forasmuch as long as you want and we’ll call it a day oh there it is it really a kind of one but it is that people in the community hates Fifty Shades of Grey because of course it is not about romance is Nova that’s just to update the sum of a standard Pacific General so I mean I interviewed her and she was surprised by how the marketing department of a table stress around the world that has has a construed that her books as a sort all videos a manual or something like that because she said she only wanted to update the four show is he in a romance novel you usually have there’s a powerful man who comes from a far and takes that the lady from our daily trash and meet you there a difference in a dangerous world and this is strictly as being a favor French discount with his country Castle or the pyrates the captain of the sultan but today is probably a starving Somali fisherman and of course Sultan’s are mostly associated with Isis right now Politically Incorrect she just a member of that 1% we protested against to Anthony starcevic Centre in and just by accident mr. Christian Grey was into kinky twist nice words hasn’t updated is a staple off of romance novels which she is a rape people are always in our studies that prove that over 70% of the rare representations of rape in imprinting the media are concentrated in the romance novel Chandler forced seduction Christian Grey is a stool culture is obsessed he is dangerous he is obsessive and possessive and this view the book is it really dangerous because people have associated with Fifty Shades of Grey with powerfully alluring imagery but it doesn’t the pics so you can post I believe that correlates each publishing a book with a rare spike or 20% more accidents in your own related to to Kink music Ventures because you have to didn’t go to the ER and all the damages psychological Nature Coast by amateurs for online corn Buck should virgins and the luck of education is dangerous because people just as big as a habit of considering a sex and sexuality as it separated from him quotes real life Dante stop disregarding basic things like Elsa and Anna song and it is very dangerous and should really get information about Kingdom sex in general I always say it is better to have knowledge and choose not to use it and need knowledge not knowing where to get but and said this I believe that has a very big marriage which is to have shown the general population but uncommon forms of sex I’m not that bad after all our acceptable people can be good people can be happy anyway even if they are into bondage Alex and this is very good because a lot of prejudice is a better Siri right well that was a sobering analysis and I I’ve been a very that was absurd of absorbed by osmosis that there is a sense of detail station around it and I’ve just avoided it myself it’s I’ve got too busy with other things so I rely on I link a few of my articles about that you’re listening to make up your mind about that. Thank you for these topics and will definitely be in touch again and and explore future developments together all right take care have a great day. Please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the shop in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

The How and Why of Semen Retention with Courtney Garner TPP104

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Courtney Garner PicIn this episode I’m joined by Courtney Garner, she’s a certified tantrika with training in the Tibetan 5 Element Healing  system taught by one of my heroines and previous podcast guests Devi Ward. She shares her story of transcendence from an unsatisfactory relationship and talks about her professional integration of East and West, having a background as a nurse practitioner before becoming a sexual and spiritual healer and educator.

She shares some heart warming success stories of working with clients who have been able to radically improve their love, sex, and spiritual lives with her help.

We discuss the how and why of semen retention and get into some edgy territory around female empowerment, spiritual sisterhood, and the ways men will need to “man up” on a new level to catch up with the rapid rate of sexual consciousness evolution among independent women who are claiming their power.

Please visit her website at:
https://www.absolutetantra.com/

About Courtney:
I’m a fun-loving Practitioner who’s great at laying it out so you get it! Helping clients find practical ways to integrate the practice and make it work, is my priority. I frequently work with men on issues like porn addiction, sexual dysfunction, and disconnection. I’m also a huge meditation advocate, teaching kids and adults the foundation of a spiritual practice.

As a nurse, fitness advocate, and Tibetan 5 Element Healing Practitioner, I have a holistic view of health and an expanded approach to healing. Using my Western medical training and Eastern healing practices, I provide a fresh voice, for ancient practices that give results now. My mission is to support the growth of free minds; free from fear, judgment, pain… I work everyday to change the world, one mind at a time.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township hunt podcast episode number 1 0 4 I’m on Skype with Courtney Gardner who is an authentic Tantra practitioner she studied with Devi Ward who’s been on the country Punk podcast in the past is definitely one of my superhero Inns in the township movement I really recommend checking out all of her YouTube videos and podcasts and yeah really it’s a blessing to to be alive in a time with Davey doing her thing and so it’s exciting to be able to speak with one of her students who completed her training program and is now sent a country practitioner through that live in the age that that baby holds and so also she’s now set up her own brand and business in Southern California which is absolute Entre which you can check out at Absolute township.com and yeah Courtney if you’d be so kind to just tell us a bit about your your past I know that you were a nurse in that you discovered Tantra and now done all these training senior have great offering so please tell us all about it be invited to talk with you and share my path and my practice I started my first one and is leaking filling for me but I always knew that there was something more that I’m used to doing that was in a relationship that was busy and so I wanted to know if you leave from that I was looking online for a punta practice in my area and there wasn’t anybody that was local there really far away is delivered exactly what happened but baby popped out to me and all through the website and whatever I read with you I go to school and so my motivation seems to be getting my package was my relationship and mental freedom from enough stress and just busy mind. Certified it opened up so much more is it just blossoms my spirit I can just drive it or now her being a part of my life and be able to work with her at authentic Tantra that’s just I can ask for anything more let’s do so my practice my practice is I like to call and make sure of Keith Meets West because I’m using a Eastern modality the Tibetan Tantra that is if I don’t practice so that’s actually what that’s what I feel make our practice in our special that made it big packages that have been done for thousands of years and people have been living their lives on the top of thousands of years and getting the results of getting the healing that they need it is parked the Mason he’s so excited yeah we have this so I really appreciate that we have very ancient practices that part of my mission is to make it relatable because when I was going through some of the things I read I was just like what are they mean by that what is awareness those are things that you have to feel you don’t learn them just by reading the definition you have to experience it and that’s for me I had to leave that and go see that kind of struggle that growth growth process so much and I learned a lot of the how how is kind of like the the jewels that I get to give to a friend feel like that is going to help our a world like that’s that’s the big the big sister is really to heal the world we have a lot of pain we have a lot of drama connected with the Smiths on the earth and we need to discuss it feels really good I do it because I love it it’s a feeling and just making a difference in people’s lives oh fransson few days ago I have a client with him so he has to support him in his healing process and part of that is getting a great connection with yourself and awareness of your energy Body and Soul on the 12-week course he says his then he is already experiencing a writing part of my job is to teach people how to have intimacy and how to reconnect because it’s all I need and everything that we need to be if we already are that and is fearful path is the unveiling of whatever so I I really am honored to be honest app because I I have to I live it every day and it’s and it’s awesome that’s wonderful so do you want to talk about more some sort of kind of give us a tour of what you were offering his are currently I have the money for that program is definitely for for them and it will work for anybody that you can if you don’t have the flu and she was just taking care of yourself and your help is vital to your overall house so that is my I have that same thing it’s all about feeling it’s all about Awakening your sexual sensual and it’s and it’s also learning to use your sexual energy to heal your body is there a pop artist when it gets the most energy have to actually is about using that new another page on my website and they’re on selling Nation it comes with everything you need to get started and I also have any pot up a very important part of my creative creativity as part of my feeling a lot of different ones and and a and so I can have another thing that you know you can find out about on my website but that is that’s what I’m doing these days and the other thing if you guys was on the site already have died in that where you should go for the focus program whatever is reasonable or or within your agreements to share I’m curious if you could kind of your people and overview what you would probably have is as an overview and I are in a workshop to introduce people and get them excited about Tibetan Tantra and how it’s more more specific ways does change your life and and how it can help people with therapist functions and all of the other dimensions of transformation at that they can blossom into with it what preventing tonsil with such a two-part special is the five elements healing system and write five elements are everything that we are made out of it’s so pleased that you heal our body through meditation so when I have my workshop but there’s an intro to Tantra for the things that we will go over is the concept of the energy body cuz a lot of people don’t know about it it’s not really talked about in Western science so that’s definitely something that we make sure that we work with that energy body and are negative energy in your body that can be hindering you from pleasure it could be making you feel pain make you feel nice and so what I’m feeling is about is about clearing we are conscious connection and that’s what the goal is right that we are all heading for the big idea the orgasm so what that means is we use that that moment of orgasm if you are practicing in your sleep for more than you know to Second what size 5 Seconds 10 seconds 30 minute people do it for several minutes so just maybe these potential is beyond what we think it is beyond what we can imagine and the practice that we have in place is to exercise to bring it to full fruition that is a what could be a better outcome than extending the pleasure of orgasm as a spiritual practice for a night meant nothing that feels better than that is mental Bliss physical Bliss you’re just clear and happy and everything is great with the world and if you think about how you feel after you have sex this is our just you all the time I can give you all the time to feel that good all the time and that is our potential that we must embrace it’s it’s kind of like we have some kind of guilt around being too happy play no part of arguing is accepting and acknowledging that yeah we have that potential to be happy and be having pleasure all the time and that’s that’s that’s our Birthright so I really I really push that I really tried to educate people and advocating for themselves when it comes to relationships or Army our bodies so that’s definitely part of the message that I was trying to spread awesome thank you will have a similar path also seeking to empower folks to discover their infinite orgasmic potential and there’s there’s a lot of debate and I guess I wouldn’t call it controversy maybe you could call it controversy actually but the the there’s different approaches to the reasons for and the intervals and Adoration of and the techniques for the this ever-elusive yet so simple and practical and and beneficial semen retention lifestyle so that was actually how I discovered your work is that I was I’m signed up to Davies mailing list and I watched a recent video that she had done about that subject we talked about it in the interview I did with her and on the side YouTube your recent video came up and I watched out of Mike right on more voices out there yeah putting in yen in different words so do you want to kind of give a your rap about that why the how to in the benefits and all that good stuff to incentivize people physical practice it’s a thing that you can do for your physical Improvement but it’s also transformative at something that they might not getting that connection with yourself is what project out the other one out that’s when you can approach people with a different energy with a different confidence but if I open this posting retention is it’s a good remedy for not helpful for men with premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction I’m part of that is because ejaculation is the reason that a lot of men have issues relationship and the other culprit of that would be so you have corn out there it’s everybody’s watching it and you have men masturbating to porn all the time that creeps is very big gap in this connection with their body and also which translates to just their partners and they’re trying to be intimate with them and that just as growing when they continue to do this even if you feel like you are you’re fine you know you’re fine but if you happen to have it someplace where you exactly doing beyond the frequency that your body can recuperate what is that then you are defending yourself and it shows right when you guys are done and that’s all that because you’re you’re discharging your sexuality your energy as well as he Jacqueline which is just packed with nutrients semen is just like you know all the baby better if you think about what is your body going to get all those music from to make more better it gets it from your body until you have your your body is pulling in some other part that just make more semen because it keeps getting you know and why does your body want to do that survival our instincts are so divided and part of that is for creation right yeah it’s a sacrifice so use it wisely use it or lose the nutrients until 6 weeks is on your overall health your current habits your sexual function for men to ejaculate right on yes so I guess I’ll all kind of play if you don’t mind a little bit of role-playing as client you know to give other guys who are may be new to this or or I know you don’t have a lot of people who I know her I’m approaching this as a Jedi Knight initiate and it’s something that they you know they want they want to figure out how to harness the force you know and use their their want of light literally to exactly yes so some of the questions that I get or or just this this unknown Journey having faith that there’s there’s these powers on the other side of the the discipline guys have this preconceived notion that that blue balls is is just a force of nature that can’t be overcome but as you would know that circulating energy and doing breathwork a massage and actually applying some of these principles and practices you you effectively bus that myth you know don’t bust a myth I mean don’t bust a nut by the group Asia is that something that you’ve encountered where we’re guys are like but I’m going to go crazy or I’m going to have blue balls or something out all they’re going to still up and it’s like if you think about it like dude you’re jaculating too frequently for your body to catch up so no you’re not going to fill up a Pop berry likes going to take forever if that wasn’t so yeah so what I called is like the sensation of maybe like a stuck orgasm because it’s so it has nothing to do with your fluid that’s been retained that’s your the energy flow thank you for collated and you can literally believe you ate that you know through breathing breathing in public for exercise so do you want to text me some about that it’s there’s more than just what you might find from sort of Western sexology around doing Kegel exercises there’s actually more there’s more visualization and there’s more meditation there’s more of an esoteric component to it that it’s mystical but it’s also a scientific it is as much as it’s magical mystical experience very methodical and practical so you know this everyday I’m teaching I’m doing the same thing teaching men how to hold back and it gets easier and I’m just wondering if you have some basic pointers for four guys that are interested in the past h&c how long do you want to be happy healthy and having sex is that that relates to everybody no matter what path you on everybody has a general idea that yeah I want to be happy and healthy for a long time so in order to do that you need to maintain your help you need to pay attention to that part of your body needs to feed it love compassion need to exercise it energetically and physically so it’s it’s like guys aren’t they can get obsessed with working out and going to the gym but you are complacent with you know if you’re okay with having the penis that doesn’t work and it makes you feel bad all the time so it’s a six pack of my PC muscles that’s what she want to have it’s more important really but it’s true and that’s what you got to take care of but you can feel it too I mean if you if you know that it’s a big difference you can tell if someone’s doing that work I’m male and female but certainly it’s it’s ya will be great to for there to be Fitness competitions that to measure that level of Fitness for sure this is wonderful that this paradigm shift is is yeah that you know you’re like you said in your approach East-West in East coming together and no pun intended yes I like the the part of our practice that’s so practical and it makes sense to us based on what we what we know you know what are our little fact that we have it makes sense but it also makes sense energetically and we just feel that energy is not fat but not things that you can read it’s all about feeling with intuition and that’s that’s what you have to fight for yourself hey so get another another key Point here at like to get your perspective on this the it’s if you were a man who listens to all the pop music about women wanting to be made love to you all night long and I think Davy word one point I heard her say you know like something like man we want your penises in our vaginas forever there is this Market business mythology around having the sexual powers to last all night but that doesn’t really mean having sex and ejaculating multiple times and being able to start over again although if you’re younger is he younger man that’s it’s easier to do than if you’re you know if an older man but are are are you finding that women or Amir feel like this the potential of Tantra is it a can raise the standard for what women actually pre-qualify dating partners by based on do you have skill or not because why would I waste my time if you can’t if you’re sexually incontinent why would I how do I have a puppy already I don’t need another puppy in the you know so do you want to speak with me Stillwater women saying about this and how are men you know Manning up in words for that one we’re talking about our last vacation retreat how it’s it’s hard it’s difficult for women who are conscious and who want that connection was just want to feel emotionally vulnerable that are open that can talk about their feelings that are in touch with their emotions and it’s hard to find and it’s frustrating sometimes part of my men is more and more loving compassionate emotionally available men for women that’s what we need a r t i feel like women in our place right now in society we are strong we are independent and so we have different needs from a man we can take care of herself financially weekend you know everything for us so we can go to school and take care of her kids so what we are looking for in a man is I need that connection with somebody to make her feel like they’re inside our soul you want us to make love to you to read watch videos and really go after that makes be motivated to do that for yourself because otherwise you’re going to keep doing things at Cabot and that’s making the disconnection even greater right I’m so glad you you put it that way because I consider myself under the radical feminist spectrum of all this stuff and I’ve gone to Great Lengths to try to get perspectives on this podcast where it is really it’s really a critical time for fermented wake up and in and understand exactly everything you’re saying it’s about how in the old Paradigm you could just be a tyrant and an oppressor and just treat a woman has your fuck doll and never even care about what her what’s going on with her and it is just getting off and wham bam thank you ma’am and the political economic shifts that you just laid out very clearly with your lingo but that’s what you want to make love to a woman and like just make love to her fucker great her he can get away with a lot of shit but don’t don’t take that too far gentleman if there was one thing yeah so what it what I hear you saying then is you know figure out this stuff first and you don’t get your everything else can be this is the main deal breaker it sounds like and you can kind of gives a little bit of a patient about certain other things but this is as women are getting more empowered men of God so now you like it’s limited like hey I deserve just as much pleasure out of there just as much orgasms actually I’m getting more than you and like so why should I short myself like why don’t I deserve it and receive any quality in Bruno longer accepting it up otherwise I don’t know now we really this is really exciting because this is I mean I wasn’t going to go there necessarily but since you brought it up feel free to speak about this but I feel that the you know it is a male Tantra practitioner it’s sort of like you become it’s like you I don’t know if I feel like I’ve been trained by the CIA or something and I just can’t relate to people in the general population because if you can blow people’s minds you you better choose wisely because you don’t want to take someone on a journey they’re not ready for a spiritually that they haven’t trained for themselves and so does it’s a totally different Dynamic and I kind of feel like it’s a it’s a there’s a lot of scoundrel males who just take this new power they have and they use it to hypnotize and mine fuck and abused and manipulated and you know now I’m now I’m feeling your daddy issue rolls and just all the stuff so it’s like a black hole Vortec of a real black magic really in and so my strategy and now that you can share it with you and get some feedback from you since you brought up that that key factor that I I’m trying to work on his basically that I’m more interested in having female Seekers get initiated by other females discover their orgasmic potential and to achieve their sexual spiritual enlightenment internally in their solo Tantra practice but being held in the community of Sisterhood so that this so that that sort of priest is class can involve the sexual consciousness of women and then they can have a higher standard and they’re not coming to me as a wounded child and I’m being projected on from all of their issues and then I’m going to be tempted to manipulate that psychological weakness for my own gain and that’s what makes give Tantra a bad name throughout the world is that Dynamic so are you how what I have I’ve been working on my sort of strategy to empower the sexual autonomy of of women in in sort of witch covens if you will and you know I think people are afraid to own up their afraid to but if I had if I had to choose one word to describe Tantra I will call it feminist sexual Witchcraft and if that doesn’t scare somebody away then they’ve come to the right school but if that does scare away then you know go back to yoga go back to you or the kids yoga class I want to hear it definitely what experiences you’re having things to do for the women listening can we just amplify that that incentive to to seek Sisterhood in this path new newer for me than it was before I learned Pancho Villa part of my opening up was to open up to other women and to do that you have to open up to yourself and you have to release yourself of that that competition that jealousy and was like I can’t even tell you there’s no work for it but you you need that meet at 4 because you also have people to have bounced off of as you tumble through this pass is not something that you scroll down movie create after I ever got certified I went to school and you leave you leave Elite certification was song of the group of people that are on the same server Pat and a friend’s family but the safest place you could ever think of what these people and so when you get back home and get that you know now because you’re not a people talking to you like you should be talked to you in people treating me like I should be treated so what you should do is create your own sphere Sisterhood your own Tsonga at home do it from whoever does your best friend if you have to go on a meet up if you have to you know go online and find somebody that’s interested in the same thing you are just do it because you the spiritual path alone it’s hard it’s really hard and it doesn’t have to be the same people that you are going to adopt into your Sisterhood there are going to be just as grateful to have you as you are to have them so yeah I definitely encourage that I’ve seen people who come into a retreat before we go throughout the training and have them and they sent their closed off and maybe they only like girls that much like I don’t have a lot of girl friends best friends with all the girls you love them that your sister has your Chapstick so if you’re finding it hard to open up open up in in find The Sisterhood you have to really look at look and see what you’re scared of what are you afraid of inside of yourself that you might experience with that and realize that they’re just reflections of you especially if they’re on the same path yeah everybody needs some support and I feel like you should not short yourself of that right and based on everything that led up to this point in the conversation why would you be competing over subpar men anyway is that right what were you fighting for so that is an interesting there’s a few a few more Dimensions that I love to explore with you if you’re willing out on this which is that it’s the benefits that I’m witnessing women in their Sisterhood of Tantra together with the benefits that I’m seeing is it there I guess this is an over-simplification but I feel like it’s been useful when I tight when I’m encouraging women friends of mine in specially ones that are wanting to in interacting engage with me an intimate manner I’m wondering how you feel about just the idea that when when women are getting along they can so much more effectively satisfy and nourish each other’s needs for emotional intimacy to a point where they stop trying to get squeeze blood from a stone cuz sometimes men’s heart chakras and must have really been working on it long time you’re not going to get them to listen or pay attention or be empathetic or be sensitive cuz they’re too busy watching ESPN or barbecuing or whatever like just watching guys punch the shit out of each other and maybe they’re good for things like hey honey could you go lift that heavy thing or grab that thing that’s really high up and like fuck the shit out of me when I feel like it and tell them I’m going to be having ammo Joe Anthony Missy with my sister girlfriends who I don’t fight over because we see our natural biological and emotional Darius a superiority am I am I going too far strong women is really is kind of like you don’t feel like you need a man it just happened because that nourishment is there and you like yeah I have everything I need but if that’s all you need that you can just get that did not from the women that are in my life until the last couple years it’s just the women there are in your life will support you more than any man that’s in your life just being together and that’s yeah awesome well that’s the that is the glory that I’m I’m hoping that we can achieve because yeah it’s people are afraid of matriarchy very afraid to let go of that sense of what they’re used to patriarchy so it’s closed off emotionally and so and this is why people who did they look at Tantra and they say oh it’s all woohoo it’s it’s not just some fluffy I mean this is very important practical from people who have like they have an idea already of what do you think they know and what you think is true and so the idea that you have an energy body like that’s not in my books I don’t know that in school so that’s magic that you made that up. Got out of your head and into your body and start to feel and a weekend that since it’s already there you’re not going to go find anything new with your ability to be aware of it right well and that brings me you know back to something I ate I want to touch on if we can your you were a trained skeptic as a Western Scientific nurse practitioner so you were even more credible as a believer in the time should I because you have done methodical training and you’ve had to really tune into the physical body and and the anatomy of the physical body and all of the the measurable aspects of physiology that would be required to be a successful nurse practitioner so you want to talk a bit about how that training has reinforced and sore complimented your Township training and how it feels physically oh my word how people behave how we in Western science we cure we three elements with your disease so I have that knowledge to help me find of bounce off my Eastern king without you and floor pattern help me relax and understanding the big picture and so instead of just having the Taj review I have the U of people that what usually go against photography and I feel like that gives me kind of the upper hand against the Skeptics to you in a way that you can understand that you learn your way but I’m telling you how it works on the other side so I feel like I am able to be the middleman in in a way that’s awesome yeah there this is this is kind of my dream is to continue the the work of medical research around specially sexual healing and what the before-and-after looks like when that those procedures are done and you can see the literally I think we’ll get to a point where you can weigh somebody in before a tantric sexual healing and weigh them out and actually yeah measurable difference is that something that you have dealt with I know that your baby is very outspoken and and about her and I kind of went into depth about that and I’ve heard Jack drouin story very moving story is a male Survivor and just wow I mean just if anybody is interested in Tantra and they haven’t listened to every episode of Davy words podcast I think you’re a lot wow right on well that’s amazing so then yeah do you want to talk about what what’s up what’s been notable for you as a practitioner around healing women’s sexual trauma and Men sexual trauma and all of the various forms if it can take if you have thoughts on that is certainly, I feel like there’s a Common Thread and that is a lack of lack of present and it’s the lack of presidents has the reason that you have like a peasant it could be from from trauma and you don’t want to be in your body that sometimes you know until you you’re not there making you not have orgasm so that’s how it kind of the big picture with with men especially with t e I’ve noticed a lot of stress so you have a lot of stress in the way that you would like to see you and that’s because you’re not you know you’re not into you’re not present with the sexual situation your penis is going to tell on you and it’s going to go down or if it’s a yes dress and that emotional trauma those are affected the way that our bodies function sexually and not sexually when we were when we have, we hold it in our body you can hold it in our Yoni and that’s all that happened with your system awesome well here’s this is another it we got a few minutes left and and I feel like another thing another area that I’m not sure I guess I I’m I’m more from I’m very interested in what your training is in and what Davies doing because I have more of a Hindu is that is that the crude term to use but I would I’d rather say I have more of the the time trick South Asian goddess worship template for for this stuff which is its really and there’s a whole sort of Forgotten and suppress Cult of the tantric yogini which was like the The Witch covens of the tantric did they weren’t just yoga practitioners just doing the body postures but they were actually even call and feminist revolutionary couples that we’re living on the outskirts so forth to Doc’s Hinduism and sort of outside of marriages and outside of the the dominant culture and they were doing really intense powerful goddess worship rituals in becoming channels and mediums and conduits of the Shakti energy and creating art and music and dance and ritual around that and really there’s there’s Scholars alive on the planet today who are trying to piece together the archaeology and the you know that the geography of of those Traditions spread time what is really starting to congeal more for me at as as one who sort of initiated in that sort of path is just the the power of not sloppy drunk in orgies or BDSM play parties per se but the power of the sacred geometry of group synchronized breathing exercises and sexual ritual that’s actually very well-managed and curated for maximum healing potential and sort of you know more logs on the fire equals a bigger flame but it’s also can be dangerous in a lot of ways and I’m wondering if you know a lot of people who are teaching Tantra now it’s about have a better relationship with your man or your guy or gal and it’s I ended the frontier of it is is to catch up to the swingers and the the king stirs and actually have more more sacred compositions or orchestras of group energy exchange I’m wondering if that’s something that you were at all working on or wherever for yeah I have ideas about a huge power I we did something similar to that Last Retreat as a group as a big group I don’t know if 1418 people and we did actually a series of Tibetan prayers or whatever you want to call the medication over one of our practitioner she was dealing with some thickness and we wanted to give her an energy healing and so yeah so that was something that I want to see you again it’s not easy to do all the time unless you have an organized group of people doing the same thing in your area that’s the way that I’m hoping that it’s just like teaching my friends the ones that are closest to me the speaker group right on I guess I have us question I have for you is have you ever seen the movie The Golden Child which was Eddie Murphy made a movie all about Tibetan Buddhist Tantra and it was an 80s movie that to you got to see it again because it is absolutely everything we’re talking about and Beyond and they even have well I’m not even I don’t want to spoil it but anybody who is interested in Nepalese and Tibetan Buddhist Tantra and they have happy to have these flashbacks from Seeing Eddie Murphy go to bed and practiced all these esoteric arts and there’s even symbolism around semen retention yeah there’s a scene where I guess I’ll spoil this one scene in order to get the Ashanti dagger to use to slay the demon that’s come to Earth do to Kill The Golden Child who brings compassion to humanity in order for Eddie Murphy the chosen one to be able to go to The Crucible test to get this knife the sacred knife to slay the demon he has got to hold a cup of water without spilling one drop and go through this obstacle course and then he has to question himself what to do with this cup of water because he can’t get through this flame to take to grab the knife and then it Dawns on him that he should ingest thus the water himself only at the right time and that that gives him the power to take it so it’s a very deep teaching about injaculation and semen retention and the powers of activation to happen when you don’t just frivolous frivolous they spill your seed so I don’t know what channel it’s amazing so yeah that’ll be on your 101 prerequisites absolute Township training for sure or your extracurricular activities yeah cool what do you want to talk a bit about what you have coming up and just again plug the website and let people know how to get in touch so I do have Bible on the 29th of April and it’s going to be in Costa Mesa California for you local people and it will be on your own yoga so I’ll have some have any but you can also get them online or bring your own but this Workshop is going to be just wonderful for women such as you if you have issues with your knee if you have numbness not having orgasms feel the same after childbirth you need to come this Workshop because it also gives you everything you need the tools and hopefully you leave with a new a new pack for Yoni and transformation beautiful and I will say I’ll say I’ll add to that and say that it is such a big difference from a male’s perspective to be making love to a woman who’s the only is is ripped you know because it is yeah it’s in this thing about o being tight but it’s really of dexterity and it’s like you know this is something I’ve been working on lately and I’m happy to be at the next level will they never even have probably heard about a dreamed about that that there’s a I’m very happy I have more Sensation that I’ve ever had in my life vaginal orgasms where I can have them before and it just feels amazing yeah yeah I just F I had to make an analogy I would say men you want to support your your beloved’s on this path because imagine that your lingam is is if it has the experience of being like a saxophone and her Yoni is like a professional saxophone player playing a saxophone with that much dexterity so it’s not it’s not ya the this it is a big it’s a big important Frontier of shift in Consciousness in to thank you for doing housework and benefits on on all for all genders with his so yeah well on that note I think we’ll call it a night and just thank you again so much for your time and I look forward to hopefully when there’s a coed or men’s Focus Workshop allow try to check it out or have you been to the year I know you’re close to the the goddess Temple of Orange County have you been to that that Temple but I don’t know where it is it’s in Irvine you be adored there and cherish tonight I definitely hope that a yeah you you kind of bring your nose area definitely cuz it’s probably some really close so there’s also a Kali Temple Hindu goddess Kali temple in Laguna Beach it’s been there for quite a while and they’re very much what you would call left hand or the right hand path or you know it’s not the sexual term sure that it’s it’s very yeah it that’s really the deepest roots of of Tantra there’s going to be no there is some evidence that goes back to ancient Egypt that it’s a man has shamanic roots in Southern India going back just so many thousands of years and and a beautiful truth about the history of it is that there was a time when the when there was Major conquest and colonization and repression and luckily the wisdom of Millenia were copied by scribes in Tibet and the captain on Brooklyn Asia thank you for being a part of that important work to keep the knowledge alive and yeah you’re blessed to be in in between I think you’re in between two of these deep rich Temple so hopefully you’ll be able to buy with them too right on it was okay thank you for bearing with all my Antics to is fun to be able to talk shop with somebody who’s on the Levelland hang out with you so cool alright then we’ll take care and have a good night. 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Sex, Erotica, Fetish, and Disability with Leandra Vane TPP103

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Leandra Vane PicIn this episode I am blessed to explore an array of topics that are often marginalized and poorly understood. Leandra talks about how her life as a disabled librarian in a sex negative local culture catalyzed her journey to become an influential erotica writer and blogger. We explore myths and misconceptions, sex positive activism,  the growth of independent and diverse voices within the sex positive movement, multi-media marketing strategies, indy fetish porn and much more. She also reads a bit of her writing which is an exquisite gift.

Please visit her blog at:
http://theunlacedlibrarian.blogspot.com/

About Leandra:
Leandra Vane is a sexuality writer and speaker. She writes about sexuality and relationships from the perspective of a visibly disabled, polyamorous kinky woman. Her fiction has been published in numerous erotica anthologies and her sexuality memoir is entitled “Trophy Wife: Sexuality. Disability. Femininity.” She is currently working on a second sexuality memoir about her experience as a female fetishist. She is a Certified Public Librarian and holds a Bachelor’s degree in language arts with a psychology minor. She writes a sexuality book review blog entitled The Unlaced Librarian.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 103 I am talking with the unlaced librarian SX block and erotica writer who has the a Blog at the Unleashed librarian. Blogspot.com and I was just browsing the the block website lots of interesting to see an original topics and wanted to invite her to be on the touch of fun podcast to talk about that space that she’s writing in an in kind of help inform us more about the world of sex plugging in an erotica writing and more so with that would you please to introduce yourself and tell us a bit about how you arrived at this point in your life as a sex blogger Turn Me On yeah my name is Leandra vein and I’ve been writing my blog the unlace librarian since 2013 and the the sex blog and the blogging and the sex writing really was a complete turning point for myself in my sexuality in my life up until that point before I started writing my blog I was very interested in sexuality I was very interested in relationships but because of start of the environment that I lived in and the body that I lived in because I’m a physically disabled person I wasn’t really allowed to have an outlet for sexuality I kept a lot of that secret and so I followed text logs and secret I read lots of sex books and secret I read lots of erotica and secret but as far as my own writing and interacting with the people that I wanted to interact with and doing the things that I wanted to do I had really kept that Under Wraps I’d kept it away from a lot of people because I didn’t feel like they would approve of that and so when I started writing the blog it was basically a breaking point for me I was tentatively trying to put more embodiment and sexuality into my own writing and somebody that I knew found out about it and they were just irate and they told me that they’d lost a lot of respect for me they couldn’t believe I would write this stuff then so I was feeling very upset about that and I was outside on my patio and I just kind of left it this empty chair across the table and I saw all of the pieces of myself that I had put off that I had censored and sitting across from me was like a happy version of myself and I knew that I’d cut off so much of my own identity in my own expression trying to make other people happy that I couldn’t keep doing that and I wanted to be that person that I saw across the table so that afternoon is when I launched my blog because I’ve been thinking about it for a long time and when I started writing my first collection of erotica so I can actually say now thinking about this I think it’s the first time I’ve said this out loud but since that time in 2013 I can really say that I am that person now I’ve been able to connect with so many amazing people I’ve been able to untangle so many things about myself and connect with people and that I really am happy now and I can live a more authentic life that I can be real with the people that I care about that I love and that they aren’t just loving somebody that I’m pretending to be that they’re actually knowing the real me and I’m doing the work that I want to be doing so beautiful it is such a touching story of empowerment transformation through the power of the internet just find your tribe just by posting content and so how did the how does your mark at the block or how do people what was the sort of thumb processive of it growing and becoming I’m significant to other folks you know in secret so I really started doing book reviews because even though a lot of people maybe if you read a textbook you’re not necessarily going to review it or tell us people about it you’re kind of going to keep that secret so this was a really interesting platform for me to talk about sex without being too I guess in people’s faces it was just like here I’m doing this book and if you’re interested in this you should read it so that was a really interesting way to connect with people because I could recommend books and I could take the sex positivity into this sort of vanilla space which was like a library and talk about things like you know censorship and intellectual freedom and information access because a lot of people if they don’t have access to good sex education the library is going to be a place that we need to to put resources in and give people access to that so I kind of started by doing book reviews and doing talks at libraries and colleges and sort of worked my way up into then sharing my own story I talked about being a unisex instability cuz I’m a disabled person and also BDSM open relationship fetishes sexual fantasy so I really like that I kind of started that foundation with books and sharing books and giving people kind of that safe place in between the pages of a book to explore their own sexuality in a way that’s that’s kind of safe and maybe a little bit more quiet then maybe some other people to be comfortable with so that’s really kind of how I started connecting with other people and then writing my own books and letting people read them in a place where they’re comfortable wow that’s exactly it’s really interesting I’ve always felt that if you just had the right map at the library to where the sequence of books to find and put together you could really do the most subversive radical transformative work it’s it’s really all there it’s it’s almost like there’s no excuse to feel like we’re limited because you’re you’re a living example of what a little bit of Ingenuity and creativity can result in so that’s exciting and I applied that and I think I think a lot of people have some form of a library fetish as well so I’m just curious. Have you encountered that as a librarian other people’s librarian fetish what do interesting actually because there’s sort of the pop culture stereotype of the sexy librarian and haven’t worked at a library I can tell you I’ve had to kick people out because they were like making out or trying to have sex in the stacks I don’t know what it is about that energy and I guess the sapiosexuality like this I think there’s also something that’s very forbidden I mean I know everything from kids sneaking comic books behind their parents backs two people reading the the paper box with the bodice in a rivers in the the cleavage in the Fabio hair they feel it’s kind of like naughty or secretive I think there’s just this kind of deviance that comes with with reading what you want to read and there’s a danger in knowledge there’s sort of always been this policing of of knowledge and information and there we you know where we draw the line between what is useful information and what is just perverse or what is just insane when really it’s all philosophy and that’s why people are so scared of it sometime so yeah I think it’s just a great environment for people to push the limits of themselves and I think a lot of people find that really sexy yeah certainly a taboo to be wild and free and making a an erotic Rocket City Library so that reminds me that I don’t know exactly when it was but I think it was kind of a big viral social media event where I think she was a college student and she was a web she was doing webcamming and she I believe she did a webcam broadcast of probably masturbation or playing with a toy or something at I think it was her College library and it was captured on film or something so somehow it was leaked and then she got I think she got kicked out of school but it launched her porn career about that but I can tell you that if you are going to try to do something like that like that the library has security cameras but they do have blind spot so if you have an Insider I can tell you where those blind spots are that would probably find that information out endorsement of any illegal activity but certainly interesting case studies for sure do you want to talk about I’m very curious this will be the first time I’ve had the opportunity to explore sex and disability on the show and I feel like the the entry point that I have felt most I guess engaged with or her passion about is is the argument that there’s places in the world where it’s it’s difficult to criminalize sex work especially when the sex workers are providing services for disabled people who would otherwise have limited well because of cultural stigma and I’m sure all the things that you can Enlighten us much more about you know that I know very little about it’s just the people are marginalized and there’s yeah there’s a lot that so I don’t even know what the word is that you would use for so-called able Able Body people who just ignorant to an end and cognizant of this sector of sexuality so please I vow means whatever extent you’re comfortable sharing I’d love to know what what we can be doing to be allies in in all shapes and forms and abilities really really important to me and was really impactful to me because when I was growing up I could have came from the background of a lot of sex negativity so when I first went into college and I was sort of exploring sexuality and I heard about you know in different countries and end in America people with disabilities or disabled people wanting to hire sex worker I was really pissed off I was like I was saying it was like people were saying like you’re not good enough to have real sex and when I kind of monster untangle all that sex negativity I realize that while that is a really sex negative way to look at things and when I look at how we consume a lot of sexual media we kind of give a hierarchy to certain sexual Outlets so I suppose in theory the the most valuable quote-unquote valuable type of sex is a monogamous sexual relationship so you’re having sex with a lifetime partner but other types of sexuality if you have kinky sex if you have fetish sex if you have sex with multiple partners if you have solo sex if you consume pornography if you consume erotica it’s less than and I have noticed that certain people will be kind of segregated into categories like oh that guy can’t get a date so sure he can watch porn or that person is a fetishist so they don’t want real sex so they can watch porn or that person’s disabled nobody wants to have sex with them so they can watch porn but nobody else can watch for it support his bad so in my view we need to give respect and we need to give value to all sexual Outlets that we have that a lot of people will like stigmatized for example pornography and erotica fetish and also Lake in my open relationship polyamory and stuff like that people kind of say well you know you’re only settling to have an open relationship because you can’t have them and that’s not true at all my monogamous relationship grew into an open relationship so I think that you know we kind of talked about sex and disability I was kind of desegregated thing but if you look at sexuality overall we’re going to see these places where we stigmatized certain groups of people and we stigmatized certain sexual Outlets so if we can start putting value and respect on these different sexual Outlets I think that’s not just going to help disabled people but also lots of people in all walks of life in all spectrum of our sexualities have better relationships and have a more healthier outlook on their sexuality that’s going to help them make better decisions it’s going to help him treat their Partners better it’s going to help them understand their own emotions and their own motivations better and overall I think that’s a really good thing but no it’s all tied together and embodiment and what we think is is the right way to do things and once you start entangling that you realize you can really send those things and that we really have a lot more in common with a lot of people than what we think we do I suppose that’s the first time I’ve been given that sort of tool to look at how sex negativity really functions it is that hierarchy of self-righteous described in and yeah I really think it’s a disability to D6 negative yeah so do you want can you talk about your experiences they have you found other disabled folks that have gravitated towards you or your sort of making new blog posts in and just doing Outreach in that space yeah I think I had a target audience I was saying I’m going to write up a poster I’m going to say this or do that and I can kind of expect who’s going to consume it or who’s going to get back with me on it and nine times out of 10 now it’s the complete opposite person I’m finding that when I talk about one thing I talked about like fetish I’ll have somebody from a different group say I really relate to this so what I find most interesting is so I have made connections with with people with disabilities and things like that where we were late to to these particular thing I’ve also connected with people that are completely different from me for example I actually have lots of able-bodied men straight men and I’m a queer disabled female so it’s it’s interesting for me I guess what I’m finding is that I have no idea who I’m talking to most of the time but people are finding Connections in that and so I think that’s really cool and so do you order some of the other areas of focus that you have for your blog find recently. BDSM BDSM and fetish Expos go hand-in-hand quite a lot and there’s a lot of overlap in polyamory and be at them so they are their own separate things as well what have you learned in the processor how have you since you started out as you know your own sometimes I guess you can feel like a voice in the wilderness I don’t know if that’s how you felt exactly when you started but now how many egg is how many years have you been going in and what are some of the highlights of the things you feel like you’ve learned in the process I feel like I was in the wilderness I live in the midwest so finding Community was really difficult but the internet of course was a really big part in in helping to fill that but one of the things I think that’s most interesting is the impact that I’ve had locally with people that I actually know or who I have met or I have come in contact with I think that it’s great that I’ve connected with people all over the country and I think it’s it’s great I love going to conferences I love talking it at colleges and stuff like that and meeting people but it’s really interesting sue for me how my relationships with people that I’ve known for many years has changed because now they have permission to tell their secrets they have permission to let their guard down and let me see who they really are so a lot of the conversations that I’ve had about sex and embodiment with my own friends and family has just changed completely since I started doing this so for me that was a really big and interesting thing another thing was that you know I really just found out like how I’m not alone I used to think that like I have to be one of the only people that does this or feel this way and a finding that there’s lots of people that that do and I’m finding it a great community in the sex positive in the BDSM community so I’m really grateful for that because we all continue to learn from each other and I just feel like I continue to grow because I met these people so that’s really great cool and you were mentioning that you do erotica fiction and nonfiction writing is that right can you talk a bit about what you probably still far sexuality disability femininity and I’m working on a second edition of that because since I published it I’ve learned a lot of things and so I feel like I need to update it a little bit and I’m also working out the second sex no more specifically about my identity as a female fetishes so that’s been kind of tough because I feel by fetish identity is the one that I’ve come to sort of last I made peace with the fact that I’m in an open relationship but I’m in in the BDSM community and lots of other things but the fact that I have a fetish it was really difficult for me so I working on that fiction wise I’m really interested in writing multi-partner romances so most of my romance is have more than one partner and most of my romances teacher at least one if not more disabled characters so those are two things that are really important to me and that’s something that I want to bring forth in my fiction well that’s very exciting because I feel that there’s got to be more popular media eventually it’ll make its way into the mainstream but I feel like we’re the New Jersey desperate need for alternative relationships tiles to be more accessible for people to discover I would say earlier in life so that they don’t become molded into you know the nuclear family patriarchal Dino King of the house man of the house that that hold system that I don’t know if you know what your politics are exactly you know but I can kind of I’ll speak for myself you know saying that I’m really looking forward to seeing more I mean I guess I also would there were a lot of children’s books that came out to support same-sex parents same-sex adoption of foster parents or adoptive parents said that that was a whole sort of from educational propaganda campaign by the queer movement to make sure that there were resources that would normalize same-sex couple households with children in a raising children so I’m wondering do you have any sense of how if there are other writers who are obviously you know you’re right you know you’re not writing children’s books but just you know what whatever age appropriate content is is out there and wondering if you are aware of resources that will be good to sort of even if it’s a couple you know a married couple that have been together for years like hey here’s this novel I got you for Christmas for your birthday and when you’re going to read it and you’re going to maybe want to go to a swingers party or so sing and you know try something out if ya please educate and inform us if you can yeah well Def Market there’s lots of book being published considering same-sex parenting and same-sex parents and lots of inclusion as far as be gay when you’re young teenager and things like that the office of intellectual Freedom actually publishes list of books that are challenged and I think over half of them for this year have to do with some sort of lgbtq issue so I think that’s very telling but we’re we’re really fortunate here in any knighted states to have a strong Library a public library system and we have places like the office of intellectual Freedom that will help libraries when they come across these things like books being challenged and these kind of social issues so I would really encourage people to look up the office Freedom they have a Blog they published in Wauchula Freedom news so every week you can sign up for newsletter that we’ll talk about books that have been challenged or just different issues and internet access and a lot of that overlaps with with sexuality as far as novels and things that represent different diverse voices with a self-publishing market that’s happened and the independent presses that are popping up there is definitely a lot more inclusion of all sorts of different Dynamic all sorts of different sexualities and by identities the problem with it though is that it’s it’s hard to find author’s it’s really difficult to find each other we’re kind of in this this very I don’t want to stay over saturated but definitely it’s it’s hard to amplify voice is so if you find an artist or a writer that you really like please do everything you can to share them request copies of their books at your library review their books share their books on social media give copies of their books to people that you think will want to read them because that is is going to be so important for any self-published author and I would say that there are more people that are going to be riding this kind of stuff in the self-published OR independently published Market because mainstream market especially for adults aren’t there yet at all so the ways that we’re going to get these books into libraries and into the hands of people as we have to do it ourselves so right on ya you something just came to me as you’re saying that which is I don’t know what you know how this would work business-wise I’m sure it could be figured out but you know I’m actually working on I’ve got like four hundred pages of pretty raw material that I will eventually be putting into a book for him and I’m just looking at all the crowd source and self-publishing and crowdsourcing funding and even crowdsourcing editing and really kind of leveraging a fanbase to help get things pillow you no help to get everything publish music videos books everything like you know all creative content and I just had this Vision as you were talking about an author sort of incentivizing their true fans to become resellers to become affiliate Sivan of their of their book of both online if you don’t have a link where they get a kickback for mentioning it you know in an email blast or put a banner on their website but also just having a box of the books you like my book caretaker box I’ll give you a name for half price and you can keep you know half of the profits and just you know I think I’ve never thought of anyone actually doing that just taking a book that they absolutely love and having a box of them like him up so I’m I don’t know yet it’s just that just came up for me but yeah how do you do you want to talk about your strategy for publishing wait like I’m going to get an agent and I’m going to go to the traditional route and I will edit a piece to death as long as it gets published I don’t care like I had no Integrity about anyting but since I’ve kind of come down out of that ego trip and realized that basically the mainstream market is really not interested in anything I have to say and I’m not saying that as an insult because the story that I had to tell I mean if you put the things that I’m all about multi-partner disabled paranormal stuff that’s a Venn diagram that nobody wants to see the people that want to read what I have soup to write are small But Mighty and I would rather concentrate on meeting people face to face in real breathing time that we have a connection with rather than kind of light putting it out all on the internet and hashtagging everything to death even though I am on Twitter and I do hashtag my fair share of things but you know I have just really kind of developed a very simple strategy I write a book I edit it I take care of it as best as I can and I publish it myself I’m one person living in the midwest putting my stuff out there and I’ve been very fortunate in the few years that I’ve been doing this too and made so many wonderful connections to people that truly care about my work and that I truly care about their work so I’m just going to keep doing that it works for me for now and I’m more than happy with that and I’ve got I think the last time I counted I had 17 titles that I have outlined so I’ll be busy for a while writing and I’m good with that but I really I have no I have no big masterful grand plan I’m just I’m just writing and putting it out there so refreshing to hear actually I listen to the my music on CD Baby and they have a podcast for independent musicians and it’s all you know tactics and strategies and advice and on almost some some therapy for a struggling independent artist in the in one of their believe they have like an annual annual conference Gathering and I think it was one of their workshops or keynote speeches were where one of the guys said you know you need to get over something like you need to get over social media shame that there’s this burden when you see other people rise to the the cream Rises and the few nights like this never-ending to me it’s a nightmare just witnessing this type of verity contest and the the things people have to do to keep up with the Joneses on social media and it can be just a real psychological disorder so to be able to be content and focus more on developing a local real face-to-face audience I mean open mics and come to mind and yeah I’m really really glad to hear that there’s sick it seems like it’s a it’s like homesteading for artists going back to the land was going back to the the open mic and and being content with face-to-face real human relationships that’s I’m not there yet I’m still addicted to the 5th the game I’m not going to say that I’m completely out of the game if I if I were I just be in my basement not telling anybody about it but I tell people about it but yeah it’s a good balance yeah I’m sure we’ll find that balance but I am glad you kind of mentioned that don’t forget about getting out there and actually meeting people and you know being present yeah impacting people so that’s That’s so exciting a trophy wife like I said I’m working on getting a second edition out hopefully this summer sorry I’m looking for everybody take bus some deep breaths and get one hand free make it concise but it might be a couple minutes so please take your time we got plenty of time what do you think about when you think of 1920s America Fox trotting and alcohol roadsters and Beads gangsters and free-spirited Flappers am I construction of American History this is the picture I had painted in my head to reference the Jazz Age social upheaval and mass consumerism new technologies and new ways to do our bodies and our mine a nonstop party roared across tarnation from 1920 through 1929 or so I imagined when I was working as a library clerk one of my task was to answer genealogy request that have been sent to the library binding obituaries and marriage or birth announcements from as early as 1867 and as late as yesterday we’re particularly sticky research project at the library I needed to read through three months of my hometown newspaper from the year 1924 the picture these papers painted of the 1920s was entirely different from the one in my head rather than an eccentric celebration of change and a Zeal for social reform the articles read more like War journalism the Enemy being short haired women at Lazy layabout men at the movies more so than any era I’ve perused the opinions and the Articles were mostly focused on battling social trends one city official decry the state of women being ruined by independent Fox trotting and frivolous dress while young men were ignorant and superficial he complained that upper education universities and colleges we’re not producing great minds but creating a culture of the shallow know-it-all he was not prepared for any real work or trade young women were Thoughtless and unfit to be wives but the young men were not looking to marry good women he ended with a morning of morality and feared the world would never see a day of wholesome living like the way when he was raised it seems my vision of the nation as a laid-back knowledgeable Beacon of light had found a dark spot my hometown nearly 100 years later in 2015 a woman from a small town in Nebraska announced she was doing every homosexual in the world her motive for legal action was to take her case before a judge to have homosexuality is legally defined as a sin the case was dismissed but not before the story made national headlines the story was shared by many on my sex positive social network this incident happened to be right about the month and a half after the religious freedom restoration Act was signed into law in Indiana at the time media and social networks around the country spewed hate and disgust or the entire State fuck Indiana was the primary sentiment as far as I could tell and take Nebraska with you was the theme in the weeks following the story of that crazy bigoted woman from Nebraska now as a neat as easy as it might be on the census to assume that everyone in the 1920s was a flapper and everyone in Nebraska is trying to sue all homosexuals this simply is not true between the radicals and the traditionalist are everyone else and Nebraska is no different I am one of almost two million people who called Nebraska home last time I checked those who consider themselves religious forces those who don’t in my state is split 50-50 yes certain viewpoints are dominant foot the pervasive and unhealthy views of sex and relationships are not limited to religion nor to Nebraska just ask Ashley Madison I am a Nebraskan the Prairie the Midwest the Heartland is my home home is funnel cakes and the county fair home is where the Deep Purple and fuschia Sunset hold you like a song home is where the fireflies flicker on a backdrop of green grass in summer heat home is where you Traverse old overgrown Trails snag with forgotten barbed wire and metals just to find the perfect clearing to watch fireworks in the human July 9th home is where you take my fingers into the sun warmed by the soil of my garden home is where I go to keep clubs and respects books on Sunday home is where I sit with my friends at cafes and we laugh and we cry home is where I learned to speak with my hands and discovered what it felt like to be lied to home has heartbreak and lust lost and frustration home is library cards and raking leaves and summertime cookouts home is a small town with brick streets and wooden bridges home is all the picnic table sidewalks and see windows and bodies that gained our touch it’s surprising how long are fingertips Linger on silverware gasoline pumps High School bleachers park benches passed jobs old habits for State garage basement back seats in back bedroom voting by slipping inside among with cigarette smoke Fresh Life blooms on the topsoil of a former life that people forgot or forgave the Pioneers broke this wild land with the sweat and blood and we’ll of their bodies I wonder when the generations that followed lost touch no not everyone was a flapper in 1924 but there are still some of us in Nebraska if you care to believe it to these I raise my glass here’s the next 100 years well I want to clap but it would probably pick the audio so I’m going to just give you an Eric Clapton wow it’s been a long time since I’ve given literature my undivided attention when I read my stuff so I’m like shaking oh no it’s wonderful yeah thank you so much as beautiful I just wish I could press pause on everything so that I could enjoy books the way I used to it’s so much multitasking and I called hyper testing really so many tabs up and apps running and you know I just I hope I can pretty much only consume text to podcasts and sometimes you know PDFs but yeah praying that I will get it to go on vacation and catch up on all of this while so do you you must have really been I mean you can have you always been like a burp a bookworm as it’s as they say or have you ever been on this craft bite by reading a lot I would assume or oh yeah yeah ever since I was really really small I’ve always loved books but I I really kind of actually tie that directly to my experience with my disability because I spent a lot of my time when I was a very young child and it cast so like I had body cast that I cast them both my legs so I learned to read because of the things people wrote on my cast and so when I was a kid you know I had surgeries and I couldn’t go play outside with the other kids and so I would stay inside and read and that was really how I basically experience allowed to go live life out of the playground so I live the life of these characters and things like that so for a long time I actually related more to people in books and stories than I did to real people but I’m coming out slowly again thank you so much and I feel like maybe another topic we can explore bits we have some more time as you were concerns feelings thoughts opinions that critiques of porn and whatever comes up for you around that term it’s it’s become a deep study of mine and I’m always curious what what people are getting into on that subject oh yeah porn is I I like talking about for a lot too because it was such a big deal for myself once again coming from that background I just Associated photography with a lot of really horrible things and in the end it’s because it showcases a lot of our insecurities it blurs the lines of monogamy it shows us things that were we’re scared about when it comes to expressing or sexual expressing our fantasies in the way it’s kind of like the golden key doors Ikea somebody knows what turns you on that’s a lot of control and so there’s a lot of fear and paranoia and anger and hatred around it and I totally understand that but at the same time it’s everywhere I mean I hand over heart no absolutely no one who is not at one time or another had a conflict but I also think that we have all the technology we have all of this ability to connect to each other and talk about philosophy and talk about things like you know consent and that we we need to have an open dialogue about sexuality and pornography has to be a part of that and I think that there are things that we can do to make ethical foreign there are things that we can do to basically take the the fears and anxieties and the actual problems that people do have with corn and fix them just banding it just telling people did not watch it isn’t going to work so I do like to talk with people about pornography and sexual fantasy overall I feel that prography kind of has the the Cornerstone on the sexual fantasy Market when you say sexual fantasy most people automatically assume pornography so I would like people to be more in touch with their sexual fantasies and be able to sort of be more comfortable with them and I think intern we’re going to be seeing a lot more diverse horn horn that maybe you know showcases things that have not been showcased before and but if I did all needs we all need that we need to start talking about it I mean it needs to be in sex education you know as a fetishist myself it was so weird to not only not be able to have a conversation about pornography but then I’m watching this really weird porn so I feel even worse about that but I mean it it starts it starts really young we see all the sexual images and stuff like that like we it’s going to get into your head and if you don’t allow it to have a healthy Outlet it’s going to start you know turning into something that the dark secret and when something gets put underground that’s when that’s really bad things happened so don’t know if I’m making any sense but yeah this is this is you know the most the nearest and dearest thing to my heart because you know I’ve said this before in the past and not to to be the turd in the Punchbowl but I was used in child pronography and now I’m making conscious feminist porn to show people how to be you know practice sacred sexuality the way that I’ve been trained to Tantra and it’s been my my Saving Grace you know to come full circle into I actually want to go back to the people who abused me if I can find it any of them and actually Enlighten them sexually with what I have discovered through my path of personal sexual spiritual healing and development and now I feel like the the irony or the Paradox is that the the most treacherous slippery slope of pouring and its potential to be this very exploited to very negative actually win I don’t want to say done right or properly because then they can get more realistic but you know there’s a potential for it to just destroy sexual repression I mean the the church is having a really hard time and everything is coming back to bite them in the ass so yeah it makes a lot of sense that we’re we’re now the Genie’s out of the bottle you know so me this is the hardest issue or a conundrum for now it’s the entire Globe the entire Internet connected Globe has got to decide if porn is going to be accessible in whatever format it’s it’s being produced and then they’re going to have to make porn for their parishes if they want to compete with the influence of it they can’t just be in denial about it just like they can’t be in denial about sex and masturbation and everything else so that’s the that the final frontier is when they actually I mean they’ve done everything else they’ve had Christian death metal bands they’ve had Christian skateparks you know they know people who are deeply involved in undercover Christian I’m going to go into the satanic cult and convert them from within okay well it’s going to pour in and show people how Christ how would Jesus do it you know tell us should I get some of that actually exist but positivity you don’t have a you either have to yeah you got to take a side I guess you but you can’t be neutral because you can’t be in denial so what you said with your story you know cuz you know there’s there’s disability fetish it’s out there and support of coming to terms with my own with my own fetish was was accepting that their disability fetishists in the thing is is that you know that often the disability fetish it sort of painted as automatically being the the perpetrators and people disabilities are automatically but if you if you kind of take a step back and say okay like this is the way that it hurts people but we can do it in a way that there aren’t any victims on either side like this is the direction that we need to move it and that’s very difficult it’s tied to our bodies and it’s tied to two things like actual you know victimhood and actual people hurting each other but instead of using that as a sound bite as exploiting people who have been abused just to get your way and Bandit me to actually listen to these people and say okay you know how can we do this in a way that is understanding and consent-based and basically remove shame for a lot more people so that the abuse doesn’t continue to happen well yeah I was saying you know what I’d like to to hear you talk more about what you considered to be a healthy and obviously we’re not trying to be dictators into set one way for everybody on anything but I definitely feel that yeah you would be a good person to talk about have you is is there sort of ethical disability fetish porn is there you know his that something that needs to be developed as an as it needs you know or does it is there a market for it is our a pronoun or porn Studios serving that market or feminist porn people stepping up in that way what would you say what’s the call to action if people are out there and they want to support you through you know whatever means a few different levels to this on one level in the Kink Community you have people who are disabled for example I am disabled and I have no problem playing with my disability as an element in a scene if it’s negotiated and if you know as much as the other person and I think in in the Kink Community when you’re doing that one-on-one and people are kind of producing their own images and their own videos but they’re not getting paid for them they’re just kind of like doing it I see that happening quite a lot as far as like things that people can buy I know there are disabled performers that put light clips for sale or have websites and things like that that cater to it but I also know that there are disabled performers who would prefer not to perform for disability fetish just for say they want to be a poor performer they want to perform erotic Lee but their target market is definitely not a disability fetishes and unfortunately I think there’s not enough performers or companies serving this Market because people still do still pictures of people that have no idea that their pictures are being taken or recording them walking or using a wheelchair when they don’t know about it and some of that could be because they don’t want to watch porn clip they want the thrill of it being the real real experienced a real person so there’s like a lot of psychology in it as well but I also think that automatically shaming people for having a disability fetish only adds fuel to that fire because if they’re like okay if I try to get the poor and ethically or if I try to negotiate a scene with somebody but they’re going to hate me just as much as if I still pictures I might as well just still pictures and it’s not something that I’ve gotten into extensively I know that there are people that probably know more about it than I do but it is something that I’m interested in seeing as I went from being so completely against using my disability in any sort of sexual way to you now being very comfortable with it to the point that I do play with it and kink but I definitely think that but yeah it is a very it’s a very emotional and a very psychological sort of thing we got going on with that because you’re going to have people saying like oh it’s it’s it’s a mental illness to be attracted to somebody with the disability but why is that a mental illness is people with disabilities are people and these are our bodies and we are sexual so yeah it’s it’s a it’s a can of worms but I think that we can make us a GoPro and I think it’s just going to be though taking away a lot of that shame around the disabled body and around fetishes and general please forgive me if I don’t use the you know the the most evolved terminology or I don’t have the right you know I like it it’s there are whether it’s diet or political politics or there’s there’s people out there who will Who will beat you over the head with their protest sign and I will just stay for from the beginning that I consider myself pretty ignorant at this is not this is not an issue that has been close enough to home for me to have to be really educated in and lighting around however so I guess I’m not asking for a hall pass on you know you can you can hit me over the head with this protest sign if if if I need it but yeah with that prophesy I feel like there is a there is a let’s maybe call it a an archetypal Mythos around the the person would say the blind or deaf person or the physically disabled person in a wheelchair and and the ability to pay for the so I guess I’m just speaking archetypally in this news of Mystique around how I’ve observed in popular culture let’s say in whatever storytelling that I have consumed in my life that there is a Mystique around how a person who is the underdog who isn’t probably going to win the beauty contest or the you know be the prom king or queen or whatever it is the person who doesn’t develop a or doesn’t develop this this hunger to play the game of egotistical narcissistic you know being the the Rockstar whatever and that they actually develop character and skills in our more Soulful and more compassionate and that the virtuous person who can feel that love has a context to compare that level of authentic love to those shallow fake people who are out there trying to achieve shallow ends and to be respected and honored and put on a pedestal for the wrong reasons. Is that a myth that should be busted or how do you feel about that and has an erotic writer is that where did where would you take that that sort of what you call it that Motif because it’s definitely out there you know there’s a fine line with any sort of with any sort of when you’re ready and disabled character because yeah I like it if you’re just doing it to feel good like oh it’s like the oh who is Charles Dickens character Little Tim or Tiny Toon you’re he’s like the second coming of Christ because he has a limp you know and I think that’s very self-serving toward a sort of the I guess ignorant standpoint on disability but I’m not going to say that when I write disabled characters even when I look you know upon my own life if I got everything that I wanted I wouldn’t be here I would still be trying to keep everything hidden I’d still be trying to keep up my massage one of the reasons that I am a sex blogger at the sex writer and I can’t do all this shit that I want to and I’m happy is because Society won’t let me when let me pretend to be an able-bodied person every time I was like no I’m an able-bodied person on a sexual being and I find them to like you’re so disabled and you don’t fit in go away so fine I was like fuck it all like I’ll just hang out over here and you know you do cultivate inside empathy and you do learn from that but at the same time there’s plenty of people and I’m sure you know you probably know somebody might not be disability but they go through hell and back and they don’t learn anything there still striving toward that egotistical thing or they’re still just like trying to stuff themselves up with with fake things and their experience in life is is kind of wasted and it’s the same with this disability so I think when when you’re writing any character you know it if it’s not a fully-realized character at the crap character with her disabled or not so if this if the person disability is the reason that they’re their culture dating this inside and empathy in this sort of unwavering will do to get things done and things like that you better have a damn good reason that they’re doing that that’s not just a disability I mean it’s who they are as a person and all of the other things that has built up in their life that are impacting the way that they do things because people reacting so many different ways I know people who are very bitter and angry and pissed off and not in a way that’s that’s that’s against healthy cuz I think that being bitter and pissed off and angry can be healthy in certain ways if it’s getting you to do something if it’s if it’s lighting your fire is it you know motivating you but if it’s just turning into something that’s wicked something that’s cruel something that’s that’s low and just a black hole of nothing then that’s not good either so yeah it’s a fine line but you know disabled people their experiences are any different from anybody else in their experiences when when it comes to these things none of us are normal we all have things that were super embarrassed about we all have things that we would rather not bring out to the light and it really comes down to who you are and a lot of different factors to whether you’re going to stand up to that or not beautiful yeah that help thank you for helping him get the dress stereotypes and bring more just Consciousness and awareness and I’m scared of cereal that we’ve got to have this conversation and we’re about to at the hour or so I’m wondering if you have if you want to plug your website again and if you have any closing words you want to share and just that what what what would you like people to to do to connect with you until 2 to follow up in and stay in touch I sure you can check out my blog the unlaced librarian. Blogspot.com I do have a YouTube channel I tweet at Landry underscore vein I’m on Instagram and Lace Librarians that’s all that fun stuff I’m really excited I have several titles I’m hoping to release this year so please stay tuned I’m writing disabled characters and polyamorous pairings as well as my non-fiction with my fetish stuff that I like to talk about so much and yeah if if you let you know I’m I’m out here in the middle of nowhere so please just say hi on social media or leave a comment I would love to hear from you awesome alright well thank you so much it really was a pleasure and I will definitely be in touch all right take care of a good night to go to www.crunch.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Archer Punk. 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Solving Slutty Girl Problems with Lorrae Bradbury TPP102

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Lorrae Bradbury PicIn this episode I’m joined by the illustrious sex blogger Lorrae Bradbury of Slutty Girl Problems. She shares her story of finding empowerment and support for her lifestyle of sexploration using social media platforms, a strategy that eventually led to her building successful sex blogging enterprise. We discuss many dimensions of cultural evolution around sexuality, love and relationships. She offers a vast array of practical tools and life hacks that help sexually adventurous folks break free from shame, ignorance, jealousy, boredom, and more.

Please check out her website at:
http://sluttygirlproblems.com/

About Lorrae:

Lorrae Bradbury is the founder of Slutty Girl Problems, a website and brand empowering women to embrace their sexuality, without shame. She’s a also a writer, pug-cuddler, wanderlust-er, and festival hopper. Follow her adventures on Twitter and Instagram: @Lorraejo.

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Com and our journey together will begin hello Darrell Evans welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 102 I’m here on Skype with Laura Bradbury the founder of sluttygirlproblems, which is an amazing sex blog and then I got to say I thought I knew a lot about sex and sexuality and all those the interplay in the modern world and I looked at her website and I seriously feel like I’ve been living under a rock so check it out and see what you’re missing and I hope we’re going to get a lot of new insight and fresh perspectives all from Luray now if you want to tell us about your background and how you became a sexuality thought leader after having me and I’ve always had an interest in sexuality as growing up I’ve always been curious about it and both professionally and personally wanted to learn how people thought about sexuality and thought I was in college I studied psychology and women’s studies and really wanted to focus on how young women are socialized to think about our sexuality we’re bombarded with so many different messages on about sexuality being shameful but it’s something we shouldn’t be talking about that we have to hide that we can’t tell our partner as what we desire and that if we are having sex I am working to be shamed and called a slut and judged for it so kind of growing up with all these messages about sexuality and having this steep interest to explore my own sexuality was really a conflicting for me because you want to be a good girl and you want to you know I’ll follow the rules but you have this yearning an urge to do something that’s so what are off the beaten path and Against the Grain and I started to come to this realization that it shouldn’t be it shouldn’t be against the grain it is really going with the grain because it’s our natural urge hits you know how everybody is want to connect with other people and it’s a big piece of emotional fulfillment whether it’s inside a relationship outside of a relationship I just be able to express that part of yourself so I started my website as initially a Twitter account when I was in college and I was just kind of anonymously talking about all the funny weird facts the awkward things that happen when you’re having sex when you’re having sex with strangers and commenting specifically shameful messages and trying to kind of eliminate them and tell women like it’s okay to be having these experiences I’m having them my friends are having them and hear the place where we can all talk about it and not feel so alone I’m starting to slowly chip away at that flexion and culture and connect with women all over the world who wanted to explore their sexuality to and we’re feeling like maybe they didn’t have an outlet to talk about it so when that started to grow I felt like I was just on to something and that women really do need a space to connect and learn more and feel empowered and their sexuality so I turned the Twitter account into my current website and started to create content that you’re able to really dive more into sexuality more than you can in the hundred forty characters that Twitter gives you that and it’s really a testament to how in this information age with all this technology anyone really with the passion can step up and become a thought leader and certainly you were addressing the most near and dear issue to most people’s hearts that there’s been such Silence about so again thank you so much for stepping up in that way and do you want to talk kind of give us the car audio tour if you will have your website and what people can be discovering there we really tried to cover the vast array of different sexualities so we have Sunny call and we have really end up guys and sex texts and we have pieces that are more political talking about women’s issues in women’s right but we try to cover everything from you know Kingston said tell you just how to do you know kind of basic sex techniques and sex position and then we even do like movie commentary pop culture commentary and we have until like different products and that might help to enhance your sex life and we even have like Community forum for people can ask her own questions and get and reader responses so if you need advice you can play right into our advice column or you can just ask Bella members on-site what they would do in your situation and so we really transgo uncover everything that young man and a young man come to our site to it’s not an old The Old Man and old woman come to our state to so it’s it’s not necessarily gender or age difference to buy anyone can come and learn more about sexuality and kind of diamonds anything but they want to explore awesome you act like I said I am I feel like dizzy from looking at it and there’s so much you’re so many resources there it’s I think one of the richest website experiences I’ve had in a long time and it’s well-designed so it’s really want your titles that goes wow these are these are the the sexploits of the usually hear men bragging about but from a proud and empowered female perspective it’s really exciting because yeah most people I guess they’re still trapped in shame or just fantasy really so to see this stuff all come to life in a place where it’s very well nested together there’s a lot of clickbait that’s really yeah healthy and and Valley will actually am one of my favorite projects that I’ve worked on was for another magazine and I interviewed women about their back sexual stories and Abby’s one-on-one interviews and women sharing kind of these intimate moments where some of them are like funny or a little risque like having sex in the back of a car or I’m having sex in the baseball Dugout or you know having sex with their professor and it was really cool to have women coming forward with these really exciting fun stories that show that it doesn’t have to be dressed in a relationship with your monogamous partner that it can be you know in the dungeon of a sex club and all of it is fine and all of it is great and all that is solid and and that is definitely what we aim to show so glad that is coming across to evolved Consciousness in a similar way as to what you’re doing I like to use the analogy that we have a you know a dietary appetite that’s pretty you know it’s pretty fast and we don’t want to eat the same we wouldn’t want to eat the same thing for every meal we wouldn’t want to eat at the same restaurant every time we eat out and we wouldn’t want to starve ourselves either so this honoring of the lower half of our bodies as needing nourishment that’s very spontaneous diverse Adventures fulfilling and healthy that this is really important so you really giving some avenues for people to explore do you want to talk more about some of your favorite content there you’re some some highlights in addition to what you just provided Som one of the things that were really focusing on moving forward and tet 2017 is talking about a lot of Rights issues that kind of relate around sexuality it’s not just women bright spot and things like birth control and equal pay but I’m talking about LGBT rights rights of sex workers and people in the media rights for people to be able to access like a portion and contraception and positive education so I’m we definitely been really concerned with some of the changes that are happening in policy and want to keep getting a retard not only information about that but Avenues where they can get involved and where they can sell to make a change and right there as senators and work on a state level to access the rights that they are entitled to a lot of that work which I am really excited about in the upcoming year as a way for us to get more involved in our communities and aside from that really just relates to our mission of wanting to provide information and get women and then the help and resources that they need to have healthy sex lives and if our own country and our own government isn’t able to provide that kind of sex education you know we’re not getting a grade sex education from our schools and we’re not getting it from porn so there needs to be somewhere in between can learn about it and realize that it’s not what’s in the movies and it’s not you know just hidden under sheets in the dark and light on that as well awesome I totally agree with you and all of those things and it seems like would you would you describe yourself as how would you describe your personal sexuality if you had to choose you know any of the words that are out there non-monogamous or open or are or single or whatever it might be I’m just curious cameras relationship monogamy has never really felt like quite the right fit for me and polyamory and exploring that has definitely felt like the the better fish so I’m really excited to you at explorer that now who knows if it’ll be a good fit in 5 or 10 years but try not to think that far ahead and I’ve always been very interested in exploring different Dynamics and you know power exchanges and a different Kinks and you know always been really open to try what I’m interested in or what my partner’s interested in and sometimes I end up not liking any of it and like all right I tried it once and I don’t want to but I think that’s a really exciting piece of your sexuality is that you can try it or not try it and learn some more about what turns you on what turns you off and then incorporate that into your relationship I think we’re really kind of scared sometimes to go outside the box and try something new whether it’s a new toy or like the more I think even people are concerned kind of dive into tantric sex for fear of being maybe two connected to their bodies or their partners and it’s so exciting it’s like our body is this playground that we have the keys to and we got to do whatever we want with it and give everything to try and I feel like why it why not why not oh and if I don’t like that ride I don’t have to ride it again awesome yeah that is very refreshing perspective and it’s it’s a I feel like I’ve been studying this new shift in generations and I feel like the gender binaries are dissolving and the relationship and classical marriage constraints or are just dissolving almost organically without a big fight like it didn’t take having to go to a bloody civil war with the Bible Belt states to get people in the urban cone still have rights although a lot of people have fought and died and been incarcerated and then shamed and lost their jobs and had their children taken away and all kinds of battles have been fought for sexual freedom and rights across the spectrum of you know queer queerness and all them all women’s rights for it to their bodies and so we’re sort of standing on the backs of giants you know we we look at like our parents generations and see so many unhappy marriages and someone else’s relationship and we don’t want that for ourselves so and it’s great to be able to create your own structure and hopefully that the world will kind of start to evolve as well and Port all different types of configurations for a little more so you’re you’re living the dream life a lot of people there are projecting themselves out of their primary partnership relationship to have fantasies that maybe we’ll never be for sale because their religion says it can’t be or their family on one or both sides has that it would be so shameful and so devastating and and it’s it’s really this bubble of fear around losing your property or giving up having some something be threatened and there’s just this whole fear of jealousy and the fear of the collapse of family structure because of Scandal but can you talk about how people are are designing their own paradigms and living in their own playground and figuring out how do you know make finances and family and in the domestic sphere actually function with with more diverse sexual relationships happening is that you know a family I don’t have a house and berries location independent so I’m I’m really at you know I work for myself though I’m very privileged in that way and don’t have to think about you know if I work for a conservative company and you know it had children that could you know cause like problems in a divorce what would it mean to come out as poly or bisexual and I think that those are all incredibly valid fears and concerns I especially like professionally if it’s going to impact your career I don’t think it should be that way I don’t think it should be an impact in your career at all but unfortunately right now so that would be going through that would be to come out where you can and come out where it’s safe to come out and find your community like within your larger Community there’s always resources online where you can find like meetup.com most major cities have a polyamory Meetup Group reaching the other people like you and it doesn’t have to be like in your workspace or in your immediate family are with your immediate friends if you’re concerned with destroy a relationship you can kind of explore that in the safety of these communities people that are already interested and are going to be that kind of safe haven for you so I think it’s a wonderful life especially if you’re not sure if this is something for you to meet other people learn about their experiences and get that one-on-one advice without having to make an announcement in your personal life before you really decided if that’s what you want that is great advice you will be cool to see people I mean sometimes that your people joke about okay maybe we can have a threesome honey on your birthday you know and then it’s like okay that’s that’s that’s reasonable to think of the box I know there’s also this Festival I believe it’s in Southern India where it’s kind of like a weekend of anything goes among his consenting adults sexuality and and you just see people go there like it says this this is beautiful and then people and families go to support their family members getting their freak on upside down and backwards however they want for that time and then it sort of I don’t want to say get it out of their system but it allows for that expression to be contained and held by the culture in a non-destructive and you know it’s not in the shadow it’s it’s celebrated but people also have to go back to their mundane reality for the most part 4 like that all the time even though I love having multiple partners that explore my sexuality I still have to work like everybody else so yeah and I think that that is really an incredible text Florida and somebody has an inkling or a desire to express that it’s definitely worth exploring and not you know we’re pressing because I feel like that’s something that kind of hurt you over time like maybe for a little bit you can you know keep going and not think about it but kind of knobs that your minds like I wish I had tried that I’m starting to be able to you know try all these things if you are in a monogamous commitment the further and further you get into a monogamous. I think it’s worth exploring it as soon as you have a desire to redo a little research find out how you can dive in and take those baby stop towards getting it realized awesome so you studied you did women study so I’m hearing in sensing that you have a strong feminist foundation and I’m curious if you could talk about how that that training informed your work and sexuality and what to what are maybe some of the The Cutting Edge philosophies and critiques that are coming out of the women’s movement so yeah I’m in ISM has always been a big part of my life since I discovered that I was 7 is before I knew what I was telling us was studying it academically and professionally at was a big help to my own journey of just understanding why women are in the space that they are and why men are in the space that they are and how it’s affecting all of us so negatively men as well and that those some tools that we can use to make up make that better I think one of the biggest pool that we have is just our voices which is been a big part of flooding problems for me is using that voice to get a sex-positive feminist a message out there so it really does influence my work in every way and wanting to help women and specifically wanting to help him in avoid the shame and stigma that I have felt around exploring my sexuality and and to come to a more enlightened understanding place about it and I just sent a huge huge part of my journey and my medicine and my personal passion so you know despite what men’s rights blogs and conservative media want you to believe feminism is having a huge movement right now it is a huge 3rd and young women are joining a fight that’s been going on for so long and I think transforming it to be more inclusive with intersectional feminism for so long women’s issues have kind of focused on you know upper middle-class white women and their issues you know for instance when there was a big push for women to be able to work underprivileged women have had to work the whole time that the fight wasn’t about that it was about privilege women and I think we’re starting to look more at an intersectional feminism and how feminism can help everyone not just the elite and getting more perspectives into their taking marginalized voices and focusing the conversation around them in their struggle and finding solutions that work for everyone not just a few I think that’s the new frontier of feminism right on yes something that I feel is a new dimension as people become more accepting of sluttygirlproblems or they figure out I had to transcend them and overcome them it really comes back to classical feminist concept of Sisterhood being powerful and in really actually creating the Sacred Space in the safe space for the what the witches were burned for was having knowledge and power and wisdom and spiritual power autonomy and they were able to throughout many cultures not just be oh you’re not you know you’re here you’re a widow or your husband beat you so much that you ran away and then you’re forced into total degradation and total other ization within the culture and Annette would tend to be the place where actual reweaving of women’s empowerment would would happen because in the absence of that oppression and tyranny of the Patriarchs they would actually we know figure out how to to work together to carve out a survival and and actually thrive in I’m wondering if you’re seeing more of a potential for women who are kind of dropping out or or or running away or Breaking Free from patriarchal marriage systems and you know patriarchal Dynamics with the boss with their bosses you don’t actually finding that with more permission to have more diverse sexual experiences in gratification is basically the potential for women to United have solidarity and to please each other sexually so there’s less seduction into you know being in service to men who were abusing them does that answer without being a technology that we have now and all the resources available at our disposal has given us so much more knowledge than we once did I mean before all you had to go by was your family and your friends and your partner and now if you’re going through a bad situation or just have a desire that you want to explore you can identify it you can go online and you can come find a community of other people so friends and people that were like gay or bisexual and might not even know that other people feel this way and I just want to there’s something wrong with that now have the internet and communities where they can go and find so many other people and obviously now we know that so many people have all different sexualities and I think it gives us a great way to connect an explorer that and definitely and the feminist movement I think there’s a patriarchal culture tried to create competition among women rather than a community of women and feminism is making big strides to be more inclusive and eliminate competition and Foster you know where all voices are heard and all perspectives are valid and more space for discussion and understanding that’s awesome you I could do you want to talk about maybe some examples of some positive case studies or just observations of how women are starting to transcend that that competitive mindset as I know it’s really so it can be so toxic and damaging and can be even more Insidious in certain ways than just telling me that the men are pretty easy to just get them to to kind of be setting to satisfy them they’ll pass out the leave you alone but if if women are fighting with each other it can be a real nightmare you know it when when women are using their powerful wits to cut each other down and to attack each other so yeah I need hopeful inspiring Transcendence stuff around that would be great to hear were socialized to slap shame other women even when were women ourselves and I think it’s something that you know our writers talk about that and you know we baby walking on the street and see a woman who is expressing herself through her dress and her actions and you have this little piece in the back of your mind that’s like what a slut and you shouldn’t be thinking that but like you have to kind of be aware and catch yourself and you know I’m guilty of it as well on Sand Evolution process for me personally to be mindful of my own thoughts and be mindful of how I’m treating other women and thinking about other women and I think personally I’ve come a long way and once you start being mindful of your own thought you can work to address them but if you don’t even know that you’re thinking that are you think that your thoughts are valid and you have nowhere to start so I think it’s an individual Journey for each person and that the more knowledge and awareness you have around that and the more you can work to address that so now you know when I see a woman expressing her sexuality if I have a friend that’s like she’s such a slow whatever girl she is so empowered she is enjoying herself she is having the night of her life she can remember this night forever like she’s having a blast like we do not need to touch her at all like she could have just went through a breakup she could have never had a relationship in her life and just wants to live it up when it is not our place to judge or I make a comment on that so I think if you are the kind of person that goes through being a little silently judgemental be aware of that and wonder why why do I have these thoughts are they productive is it coming from a place of insecurity is it coming from a place of fear or not understanding and it’s hard work to do on yourself but I’ve work to do it on myself and retrain those negative messages and it just helps me look at the world in a better way where I can support other women and their choices and not feel like I have to cut them down to make myself feel like I’m you know somehow Superior so I don’t know if that’s like a pig case study but I think everybody individually is kind of their own their own case study of introspection and trying to change their own you know perspective and value system and how they interact with the world beautiful yeah absolutely and that’s where quintessential spiritual practice self-knowledge and hacking your own will hacking the thought stream that is really not made up of your essence in a lot of cases it’s really programs that have been placed there by the dominant cultures Machinery in on that note that it’s it it’s a daily battle because as you’re fully aware he can be two steps forward and five steps back because you look at a billboard that makes you you no question your skin are your body or whatever it’s just an ongoing daily battle really so I noticed that you were pretty deep into studying the just pop culture from celebrities to start analyzing music and movies so do you want to talk about are there any what should we be hopeful for what should we be worried about in in the pop mainstream kind of culture in trying for so long there’s a lot of independent documentaries that are getting more attention on Netflix and Mike on TV and on the internet at there’s just a lot more. Getting out there about adult work adult workers rights and that industry which is really exciting on because obviously likes a lot of sex work is still illegal and you know the majority of it if not illegal is highly frowned upon when I think sex work is you know something that you know if I’m going to be critical. We have to examine it but certainly not just wash it all as bad so I think that polyamory sex work are kind of starting to come into the spotlight a little bit more and got more media attention more thoughtful documentaries and really excited to see that moving forward and change and kind of public perspective of alternative sexualities and I think especially with the younger generation helping them understand different configuration more so I definitely think the media is moving away from more traditional representations and becoming more diverse in the type of content that we consume that’s good to hear cuz I’ve been like I said I feel like I’m living under a rock and part of it is that I’ve been I’ve been I’ve been in Retreat mode from the mainstream pop culture it really feels like it’s you know that from violence and videogames to just the derogatory use of women and in a lot of the the more mainstream pouring and all that it’s it’s a celebrity kind of never-ending pageantry and popularity contest of just more shallow and less spiritual Pursuits it’s it’s been a big turn-off for me but that but I I I have seen also this positive trade in the morning dependent me the other cure saying it’s it’s feeding back into the the mainstream and they’re going to see the if sex cells then why not expand our concept of what it is because it’s so much more of a bigger Marketplace when you serve the underserved Market places within sexuality so I’m curious if you have you this is I think this will be the the most Paradigm shattering phenomenon if there were more pop music Divas who are writing about writing songs about the lifestyles that you’re describing have you have you discovered anything like that that I should be aware of it we should know about does a fairly have though I think we do have some great model already like Beyonce Rihanna I think are incredible models of kind of empowered sexuality and music I hopefully will see a lot more of it definitely I think the music industry it’s a lot harder to be an independent voice than this is I like wheat we have outlets for you know like journalism and for documentaries that are independent to kind of get out there but you know it’s a long way to go I think before it’s and mainstream movies and entertainment but to be honest I’m a bit and Retreat to from it I really turn into very mainstream I try to keep my media consumption two more empowering sources and interesting that you mentioned mainstream foreign as well because there’s a big movement now towards feminist porn and it’s not necessarily what it sounds like I think a lot of people when they hear feminist Forum think that it’s going to be like a romance novel but and I’m that the mission of feminist Warren is to have a show like active consent in the moment so a lot of hornets they just kind of like get to it and nobody talks about it and everything is on the table and it sets up the false expectation that when you have sex it’s like anything goes just do whatever and everything is going to be pleasurable in the woman is going to love it and you don’t even have to ask but I’m coming this morning showing like hey does it feel good like can I keep going like can I put it in your application of lube or like somebody being like that doesn’t feel quite right let’s change positions and I mean it doesn’t it’s not that I’m sexy and I’m still into like the normal sexuality like it’s still hot and when we do it in our own lives it’s still hot and in fact talking about it and what’s not makes it even better and those on this point it’s kind of restructuring that. Framework of how we view sex to make it a little bit more realistic and have a more realistic expectation of what to expect in socks without losing that hot sexy I can get a thing that so many people love about traditional mainstream porn estate in sentiment I’m in the world of transforming that Paradigm and came up for me which is a kind of classic feminist term about entitlement and it’s it’s a what porn is take porn is like entitlement on steroids if you think about what a man is trained to believe about that that narrative that that that unspoken Narrative of the mainstream porn kind of experience which is that a woman is just thrilled to be to be splayed out and to be used as like a rag doll for the Mills pleasure and just the idea of having that much attention from a dude is enough for her to just shut up and take it and that’s the thrill and that’s the right but really the reality is nobody even if you want to be humiliated they’re still negotiation and has to happen for that to be safe so earlier conversation and it’s no fun if a conversation is one-sided I guess you have this is this some kind of feel like this is a shopping spree or something I’m there so much background in so I guess something that that’s coming up that feels like it would be useful to two addresses just the inner dialogue around when you are in moments of intimacy with more than one person and you have there’s different Dynamics within that do you have some tips and strategies for helping both internally helping or figuring out how to kind of navigate in and not silence the voices of of jealousy or insecurity but actually you know massage them dance with them let them be Express somehow you know and and also to to Foster those skill sets in other people who are just beginning to integrate into that because that’s really another Frontiers how to get I think most people do fantasize about some form of group sex but the barrier to entry is their own what’s going on internally so wondering if you have good advice for all that are like for their birthday I actually a while I love the idea and spirit actually thinking practice and it doesn’t always work because you need to really talk about what you want out of it and what you don’t want out of it while you’re come you’re not and setting those boundaries of all of the partners in advance to make sure that it’s a happy experience for for everyone so for instance and like let’s say you had a male female female threesome I think that a lot of people try to you might want it to be all about the guy and just both girls kind of worshipping the guy or maybe it’s more about the two girls connecting with each other and I’m having exploring. Connection while the guy is kind of just more of an additional partner that’s there to support the setting up what you want that Dynamic to look like in advance and also let’s say you have a monogamous male female couple that wants to have a threesome with another female determine what do you feel comfortable with both Partners doing I think a lot of people think if you’re jumping into a group sex or three sons a couple swapping that everything just have to be on the table and end it doesn’t you can say you know that this is our first threesome and I’m okay with you no touching and making out and fingering and eating our hands a pleasure each other but you know let’s save penetration an oral sex until later when we’re more comfortable and just kind of have this amazing experience where you’re just rolling around with another person exploring your bodies and touching and enjoying each other and other ways and move up to those steps that feel a little bit more jealousy and juicing and a little bit more difficult because it is definitely hard to see your partner have sex with somebody else at first but it’s not something that you just want to dive into without talking about it and and I think it’s great to take those baby stats and especially when it comes to gel communication is just so important and reminding yourself and your partner how important you are to each other and that exploring somebody new doesn’t mean that there was something missing or wrong with you and that’s a big part of polyamory for me is I know who I am as a person my personality is actually and I’m very bold and open and express myself and my partners are never going to have someone with me that’s kind of like shy and passive and you know a little bit more demure and that kind of koi sexy I’m like your face kind of sexy tell myself like you know I want them to have that experience I want them to enjoy other other people other connections other types of interactions that I know that I can’t provide and it doesn’t mean that what I provided is invalid or wrong or not enough it’s I can’t be everything at once and in a way having that polyamorous connection is kind of a relief because I don’t have to worry about are they unhappy with me and my personality because they can’t get everything because they think they can go out and get everything with multiple people and it kind of takes the pressure off for you to be at your partner’s everything thank you so much for saying that yeah the the rewards outweigh the risks when done right for sure and it’s yeah it’s such a beautiful time to be exploring all this cuz like you said there’s three welders sluttygirlproblems. Com where you can get some Advanced Training and let you know something that came up while you’re speaking is just the idea that if you wanted to be doing Advanced martial arts techniques you would need to go through a system where you’re going to be initiated into higher levels and you can an easy example is karate going from a white belt to a black belt and what you’re talking about these you know getting to that point where there is more intense exit penetration in in in sharing it a more intimate and deeper level it would make sense to burn your way up to those Advanced stages by having gone through some pretty metered out process and something else that comes up is it to ask you about do you see that people are building the skill sets that they’re less dependent on getting shit-faced drunk to have liquid courage and beer goggles to have any fun and definitely I mean alcohol is a biggest way to kind of let go of inhibitions and quiet that voice that’s telling us that what we’re doing isn’t okay and you know it really tells us you know everything’s okay do whatever you want to rely on alcohol and definitely sucks is a lot more enjoyable when you can remember it after 2 support developing good boundaries not dissolving them with alcohol and then that’s another important Point why would you spend why would you go on vacation if you weren’t going to have any souvenirs if remembering it at all so it’s just wonderful so you know I’m deep in the the Tantra world where sometimes it goes to the extreme and people are I guess you could say well there’s a form of spiritual slut-shaming on in the world warriors were people are supposed to be exploring and opening up and incorporating the sexual energy into your spiritual practices there can be at another form of another layer of shaming people around being too sexy or to Abundant or whatever and end that’s a whole nother conversation book but 2 to bring it into a question for you I’m just curious what you were observing as far as peoples spiritual practice around sexuality with or without any words or Traditions attached to it but just for example I would say that whatever tradition you come from spiritually or whether you’re in a religious practice or and you have your own speaker practice that the common denominator that works well from my perspective and I’m curious to see if you would agree is that if you have a let’s say a relationship loving relationship with nature or the true gardening or hiking or meditating out and in nature and you have some connection to what you feel is the Divine loving energy of the cosmos however you name it then you were less dependent and needy and you’re less of a vampire to get the energy from one relationship partner who you think owes you the world and you’ll kill yourself if they betray You by having fun with anybody else like that’s kind of the curse that were in and so I’m wondering if you were yeah what are you what are you seeing is positive spiritual you know so I think that’s really important and that’s so interesting that you feel like an energy vampire because I feel like a lot of people do treat their partners that way that we expect our partners to be everything and everyone and you know there are Confidant there the person we hang out with their the person we go to on your side and it’s great to have all those things but it’s also really important to maintain your interest your hobbies your friendships your connections with other practices that you have whether it’s Hobbies Are Spiritual practices or simply connecting with yourself and I definitely feel like you not that were we aren’t all like whole all the time with ourselves like not happy with myself and you know it looking for that extra support but in general I think we need to be aware of it and ourselves for getting our needs Matt not expecting everybody else to get the mess for us which I think is also a big part of you know Polly for me is expressing myself and not expecting people to read my mind for what I want because it’s just not possible when you have multiple partners to expect him to read your mind giving with one partner that’s such an unrealistic expectation I think spiritually to if you’re in a spiritual practice I believe that you know your sexuality is just as much a part of you and ingrained in you as your personality and your spirituality so it’s definitely all connected and I’m bringing that Dynamic and being able to match them and is so powerful it’s not something I’m very good at all I want to learn more about and experience because I think it’s incredibly enlightening piece of sexuality for so many people to be able to channel and something greater than ourselves and that moment so let’s books more fucking yeah I let the let the new scriptures be written from the peaks of ecstasy in the bedroom what is God look like while you’re having an orgasm I feel like I know what that looks like but I want to hear what other people feel like I said I’ll have you know you say oh God oh God when you’re coming and all that but there’s a lot of brain research that says that you’re the same spiritual molecules are being released during Peak spiritual experiences by train meditators in caves who are celibate Masters in Same Love Making chemical so do a do you have what it what are some of your most ecstatic experiences if you care to share so actually I think I’ve only started to explore that very recently I think I previously in a big part of bloody girl problems for me was kind of this like anonymous Saks like one night stand hookup culture like drunken college thing and you know I’m moving past that in my life now and exploring new Dynamic so having this kind of connected experience of socks where it’s like it’s mind-body relationship connection is very very new for me and honestly has been and I’m a little bit scary to dive into because you’re so used to having this like purely physical experience and then you start to match that with like you’re at your loving tender emotions and it’s going to be more present in the moment and try to use the focus so much on just the physical sensation of sex which I think is definitely important but reminding myself like oh there’s a partner that is like doing this with me right now and like looking at them and reminding myself that like all I really like this person and like they like they’re having pleasure too and I’m trying to kind of get that connection more out of it so I think I think I have a lot of learning to do from from you and your podcast and I Tantra teachers to connect with that more it’s still a part of myself that needs a lot of work but I will add there’s plenty of there’s plenty of time for guy problems on my podcast so she could and it’s a lot of the same stuff just helping helping people and be present and be conscious and NB open to expanded Consciousness and really to bring your bring the issues in your personal life and relationships into the lovemaking ritual to literally incinerate them and sort of pressure cook them so that you can experience just pure Divine Bliss and once you start to attain that nectar of sexual spiritual enlightenment and you just want to go and write you start to think in love poetry in the people that you were criticizing you know in the end in the line at the the coffee shop becomes instead of criticizing people for what they’re wearing you you actually want to compliment them about it because you’re so full with joy that you can’t hold it in and I think that just you know whether or not you have a a guru who teaches you to repeat mantras thousands of times or you just sort of reverse engineer your own Bliss a lot of people are are are finding this it’s not necessary to to have really strict and rigorous expensive training but actually to Jimmy it is kind of what what do you have to get trained to do and most time trick Traditions is is actually shed the baggage of the culture which is like piling on all of these distractions and all of this sort of plaque in your mind that blocks out your the connection to Bliss that you had intrinsically before it was sort of beating out of you by the culture so you know ya all roads lead to the Ecstasy when you let him so cool will thank you again so much for your time I feel really just engorged with hope and in my heart is is just yeah it’s expanding to get to know that you’re really providing these great resources for people and then do you want to say some final words and closing and and also again plug the website and also your social media if you know all that good stuff and I’m so inspired to learn more about Tantra and you know it develop my journey I think we’re all on a journey so the more resources out there the better I so interested people are interested in checking out the resources on my site and he can find us at sluttygirlproblems. Com we’re also all over social media are Twitter and Instagram is bloody GRL Probz schroth on Tumblr and and within 2017 possibly launching a podcast or YouTube channel we’re still kind of working on that exploring how to do that so we can keep up-to-date on our website and I sign up for email list to get our weekly update and we share all of our best posts there so that we would love to have you I said all right well thank you so much have a wonderful day and we’ll be in touch take care. Country Park. Com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to see me and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess time for supper by Tycho logical employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email band at Tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Sexual Progress Beyond the Church and State with August McLaughlin TPP101

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In this episode I’m joined by sex blogger and podcaster August McLaughlin. She’s doing ground breaking work to advance knowledge of and access to longer lasting, more satisfying, and more divine states of female arousal. We discuss the spirituality and politics of female pleasure and how to progress beyond the standard narratives and curricula of the church and state.

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August McLaughlin is a health and sexuality writer and host and creator of Girl Boner®. Her work appears in Cosmopolitan, DAME Magazine, the Huffington Post, LIVESTRONG.com and more. Kirkus Reviews called her first novel, In Her Shadow, “an engaging story with an inventive structure and an intriguing focus on body-image issues.” Each week on Girl Boner® Radio, she interviews relationship experts, celebrity entertainers and more, exploring women’s lives and sexuality “like no one else.” Known for melding personal passion, artistry and activism, August uses her skills as a public speaker and journalist to inspire women to embrace their bodies and selves, making way for fuller, more authentic lives.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 101 I’m doing interview with August McLaughlin who is a blogger and podcaster at girl boner and I am very excited to explore a lot of empowerment tools and tips and information educational resources for women’s arousal and that seems to be your Forte and I discovered your work through searching just in the wider sex positive sexuality education world and you came up as one of the top hundred sex bloggers in the world and so I thought we could do an expiration of your work and help to enrich my audience and hopefully connect them with some of your great work so I’ll gets thank you so much for being here and if you would just kind of tell us the story of how you discovered your gifts in this fate in the space in this field it’s really always exciting in to see to hear about people’s pets to a sexual empowerment and Beyond so by all means to share with your audience my path has been like many people is very diverse it wasn’t one that I set out you know to seeking to become somebody in the sex industry but growing up I was a very very curious kid and I grew up in Minnesota and had a really lovely upbringing a but like many people didn’t learn much about sex or sexual send me the messages that I learned we’re very negative and I wondered about women’s pleasure from the time we had sex that is cool I still remember the slideshow with actually might in my first episode you hear me tell the story of sitting in class and the teacher is talking about sex and it ruined all nervous and giggling and she showing flies and she talked about men’s arousal a little bit and there was like a medical drawing of an erection and mentioned something about it being potentially positive or pleasurable and so something you know kind of lit a fire in my mind cuz I oh my gosh there must be something really positive for women to it for girls and this is as great as I sat there waiting and waiting and waiting and then cramps and a bunch of other things that I wasn’t too enthused about so then when I learned what Boehner meant you know probably during recess Monday I immediately wondered what about girl boners so grub owner was a joke phrase for me for a very long time and kind of the inside joke and a curiosity and you know I learned about women’s pleasure by experiencing it like many people not by being taught anything about it and then passwords after after I graduated high school I end up taking a modeling contract and lived in New York and then went to Europe and during that time long-held body image issues that I’d had grew and exacerbated and became a very serious eating disorder to the point that I very nearly lost my life to it when I was living in Paris and when I was in treatment back in Minnesota I was bored cuz I had this like traveling lifestyle and now I have a pet therapy and I’m living in like the middle of the country doing nothing so I thought I’ll take just College course on psychology of women sexuality is called I believe and for the professor saying we’re going to talk in front of the class and again one of those light bulbs I’ve never had sex but I never talked about it and all these questions in these and kind of puzzle pieces started to come out and see us together and it changed my life forever and it was a turning point in my recovery I was able to realize how much shame I had a realize I had around my my sexuality that it affected me in so many ways and so the road from there on as I took a few no time to heal as it does from those illnesses and I got back into modeling and back into acting for film and TV which led me to eventually Los Angeles and that led me into writing and I’ve always had a sense of purpose and wanting to do you know something creative work for me has to have meaning Beyond just entertainment and I think there’s absolutely nothing wrong with just entertainment I love it I love movie The Love books I love stories but I just had this kind of desire to to do something I don’t know to maybe contribute to the world in some way and girl boner have just been on my mind for the longest time and the more that I wrote I was writing for different Health Publications I realize that I needed to use that platform to talk about women’s sexuality in particular and it’s become more broad than that but that was kind of the beginning and then my blog series started with girl boner and about a year and are so it had started to become a lot more popular than my blog had been and it lets you appearances and other people podcast and radio shows and after one of them the producer called me and said hey have you thought about having your own show and I thought why hadn’t I so now I’m probably doing the show for 3 years now I think and I love it I do it every week well that’s awesome so glad to hear that you’ve lost him in that way and more yeah closer to home for me they were members of my family who who have been to that cycle of eating disorder and Body Image issues in coming out and surviving and yeah it’s been a deep study to see how you know these sexual empowerment practices can really help overcome a lot of that so could you talk about more about how maybe you’re just going to zoom into how this Awakening in internally and intellectually did it have a spiritual Dimension or were there other even religious factors or there’s just so many things going on you know in that Japanese think Tim is very complex and there’s so many layers and it’s so nuanced and certainly you know when you go into treatment for something a lot of times you have this desire unless it’s obvious already like why why did this happen and I don’t think that there is just one answer but the is sexual Awakening and me that the realizing that I hadn’t cultivated sexual empowerment and that I’d actually been quite repressed was a big Epiphany but bigger than that was then following that into kind of society and all the different missed that we here and his messages are so negative and confusing about her sexuality and I started to realize that the things that I was dealing with we’re not unique and not really special you know that we all that so many of us deal with this in different kinds of ways and certainly there a very big spiritual peace to that I don’t think that we can separate our sexuality for my spirituality it’s are connected us with our self and with others and with the universe and and I really believe that our sexuality is in every cell of our body is in the air we breathe it’s ended the words we speak and when we do not let that flourish and when we do have shame we are somehow stifled and I don’t think we can live these fully authentic lies and that’s really my biggest mission is is for people to embrace themselves and their sexuality fully and all parts of themselves and I think that that is as we’re real Awakening kind of begins and it’s a journey you know it’s not something that we make the decision so it may be awareness is big but I think that the journey itself is huge and it’s something that we have to commit to you in and keep learning about so yeah it’s it’s been incredible I think I think that all of us have so many different you know again layers to our sexuality and also our personal development and that’s what life is all about is this discovery and then ideally you know taking what we learn and and contributing it helping make the world a better place whether that’s in our own you know personalized door or in work or in our creativity it’s a really powerful force absolutely yeah so do um I’m curious if you’ve noticed a shift or any transformation in Trends around the school curriculum and just the all of the internet developments of the last decade you know really transforming and accelerating alternate access to Alternative sexuality education that younger people are finding in the really able to have a more empowered sort of intellectual initiation at least through their own Explorations online and then how that is like if you’re if you’re witnessing in your your work the sort of these shifts and Transformations that that hopefully will feedback to a more holistic sexuality education you know proper a great question it’s interesting because you know I was in sex ed in like the late 90s early 2000 and even though it’s been almost two decades still so much of what people learn has not changed and that’s partly because the manuals and the guidelines that are you you know Across the Nation really prize still abstinence and STDs and pregnancy avoidance don’t get these diseases don’t have sex if you have to have it unfortunately you know here are some ways to potentially stay safe don’t sit on toilet seats that still haunts me I think you know but there has been progress to have spoken to a lot of Educators who said they would love to talk a lot more in a public or private school setting about sexuality and start from the ground up cuz that’s what needs to happen we need to have sex ed from early on where sexual beings from birth and we shouldn’t have our first conversation be not only during puberty only but it shouldn’t be one conversation it shouldn’t be that talk I should have be one class and age-appropriate of course I think people get confused and I think that teach sex ed to little kids means you’re going to teach them how to have sex and that’s not what it is it’s an awareness and understanding and respecting your body but certainly the internet and we have two more alternative information is is a wonderful thing is also challenges around it but I think that you know people who are really conscientious about this kind of thing are creating wonderful content and are making you know those questions that we have like if I were a little kid and I could have just Googled about boners I would have you know that I would have figured things out and I think I think there is a real benefit there but it shouldn’t be the only place that that we learn and then I also think that one of the complexities we have now is and there’s been no numerous expert and there’s this great New York Times article that it that porn has become kind of the mainstream sex education for kids and most kids have seen porn like by the time they’re 11 you know so it’s it’s complicated because on one hand you know it’s graded have the access and on the other porn sex is not the same thing as intimate sex with a bit of partner it’s made for a camera it’s it’s made for entertainment depending on what they’re watching some of it is violence you know so it’s if we need education around that we need to teach kids what the difference is between pornography and and intimacy we need to teach them about stuff self pleasure and and solo play masturbation and what their body parts are I mean there’s over two hundred common terms for women’s genitalia from vajayjay you know I’ll be different the tingly bits down there all these different right and we don’t do that with other body parts right like we don’t say it would be great if it really does is underlying message if you tell somebody don’t talk about your private parts ever you know it’s a lot of kids here you’re you’re suggesting Shane & Shane is not innate unfortunately right so this is such an interesting generation because there’s if it seems like there’s enough of a critical mass of people who are waking up and who are would say benevolent kind-hearted pure-hearted Angelic even if you if you want to call it that but I mean people who want to actually just advance and evolve the the discourse around I think really life is human life is sexuality education that’s kind of what we’re here to figure out you know my family time and so of course there’s got to be well it is just a beautiful time to critical mass is there and I don’t think the let’s save the the forces of repression and denial I don’t think they can succeed at keeping the the lid on sexuality the way that they were before the internet even before the printing press you know erotica there’s a whole history and her story the feminist her story of you know of empowerment so the thing that I’m curious in your your work if you encountered the you know the backlash from the I don’t want to name them by I don’t want to indict any religions by name or any you know heads or relations by name but I think we all in in the sex positive movement kind of know what what force is we’re up against and and if it’s it’s just so interesting to me to have this discussion about you know now that there is the sort of the spiritual sexual Battlefield is exposed in real time on the internet you know the force is trying to keep it a sinful and negative and in the dark and the forces that are coming out as the byproduct that repression that are like you were saying not you know the unrealistic pouring into the harm. You know an abusive acts that that can be seen in porn so is there any kind of you or you grappling with this you trying to find solutions that that can please everybody no pun intended please everyone but I do think that yes there is this movement the sex positive movement is is hugely important critical and I see so much good out there and you’re right religion is one of the biggest contributors to to sexual shame and you know it is religion a bad name to because they’re certainly denominations and many people within all denominations of all religions who are sex positive and it’s sad because again our spirituality and sexuality are intertwined so it would be great to see more progress movement there but I do I do see it and I I think it’s you know that the lions are there like where there’s I think especially now in our political climb you know we have a secretary of education who wants to do away with sex ed and I think that we are seeing the positive backlash hugely I think we’re seeing a lot more people speaking up it’s becoming much more it necessary where it’s always been important I feel like now it’s even more essential and I’m hoping that a lot of good comes out of it read what did you hear the story about the the Surgeon General who was fired for promoting masturbation as a prevention to that soweth so you’re saying that they actually want it now get rid of sex sex education because it’s bad or because they want to replace it with something better now I’m really curious being a before she was officially in the position but I just read her her take and as that what I recall reading was that you know she’s basically anti sex education that it should be I believe that it supposed to be in the home was the impression that I got but you know that’s not really but really wasn’t anti-sex at texting which we know if we Belleza we educate and empower sexualy the more sexual problems we have the more STDs and more unwanted pregnancies and so many other problems so yeah it’s it’s crazy so it really does more than ever we have to end it ends up putting it into our own hands I’ve had no pun intended because he knows I think masturbation does need to be taught like that that should not even be a it’s crazy to me that that’s not even mention it’s the most natural and common form of sexuality and it’s the form that most people engage in first and so it’s it’s really interesting I think you know I think we have to start in our own lives of individuals and it takes a lot of self-awareness and and picking apart what we learned and how we what we believe in what we are taught and what we actually believe about what we were taught cuz again I think shame is off and hiding sometimes it’s very obvious but sometimes we don’t even really realize that it’s there because it’s so commonplace and I would like to think that we are making progress for sure but we still have like the sweat-proof mentality for example and the Beast by shaming and it’s it’s really sad and at the same time we see all this progress right that you know gay marriage and more transgender awareness and the things that we definitely need but there’s two which is why I conversations like this in your shell is so important because the more we do this you just never know who you’re going to read she might be reaching somebody who has no access to any information you know it’s it’s really powerful I think the audio you know audiences webtv articles are so much out there and so many ways to get the information out and access it which is huge all right well again yeah just said joy to be alive this is the Dark Ages or are becoming far more illuminated with the yeah all of our good works out there and I appreciate you being willing to get into some of the edginess of the politics around this and I’m curious if you know I feel like maybe what a few things could could start to be more like a second to the Revolutionary and the sort of marginalized otherwise might sexual my Violent Femmes just don’t like the term sexual minorities because I believe it actually is the majority being honest with itself the majority would if they were honest would be somewhere on the spectrum of not binary and not you know even mono normative yeah but the way it’s been a war it’s been a real battle for I like the term queerdos which I consider myself one of you know to to fight for civil rights in for recognition and for all kinds of no basic safety and an egg knowledge meant on so many levels and it’s been an adversarial battle for so long and I I feel like I’m wanting to brainstorm a bit around ways to proactively go back into the the system or the religions The Establishment and find those who are already sort of you know working from within the Insiders in the military the Insiders of you know people in the church who are who are out and nms feel like that this masturbation piece having sex before marriage that’s a big you know that’s a big battle but the masturbation it’s kind of like each one of these these debates I guess you know maybe they will become very prominent political debates masturbation education is you know in the platform of a party that would be countries but I have this this funny question for you now that I’ve kind of laid that out of it is at if you were to be drafting a masterbation public education campaign that may or may not actually be adopted by the federal standards for school curriculum but it’s just sort of a you know within the legality of billboards and bumper stickers and mailers and what not a public education sort of campaign how would you sell it cuz I have a couple ideas but I love to hear what you have what you would are working on possibly in that department is actually but not everybody should you know I think we need South recognized serve people who are asexual I’m just have no interest in and you know it well there are also asexual people who masturbate so there’s a lot of missing missing information are but that’s a tough question I do think that it would be amazing to Simply encourage for one thing for you know people involve us kids did to take a mirror and and look what the down there and learn the different parts and and you know tutorial would be great and end there so many beautiful ways to do it and even just giving permission I think permission to the freedom you noted to experience pleasure and to encourage it is huge and I think one way politically that you know it should be helpful is knowing that it’s a very safe form of sex and it’s amazing to me that people who are against birth control are also against masturbation so it’s it’s really confusing but I’d love to hear what you have to say it sounds like you’ve put some thought and I feel like I need to keep thinking well yeah this is so exciting exciting conversation for sure you speaking to your mission and purpose of educating women about their pleasure and their pleasure potential really which is so underestimated so many people so now it’s getting its full glory and sometimes thanks to pouring really here and there but as people desire to reverse-engineer the pleasure that they’re seeing him at least in queer porn and certainly lesbian porn and porn feminist Forum you know how do you get to that level of ecstasy do to the body and so it’s you I just did now I just want to buy land and knowledge that that that there is hope here the idea that if the canonize rhetoric of the church around this the whole sexual Narrative of what it means to be in holy matrimony and in service to God by reproducing through the sex act of course in the dark missionary position only for male pleasure and probably not going to last more than 30 seconds to a few minutes with untrained participants right is that is the standard narrative that we’ve all been well exposed to in some level at some level is not drilled down by it imagine if it was understood that the most holy thing on earth is really the female multi-orgasmic experience if that is the biggest dilation of the valve to heaven where we can hear the angels singing and jumping and you know see that it’s just like the most Divine experience possible and just start there as our The Stairway to Heaven eunos is the orgasms that women have so if that was an overnight it if that was the position of becoming a having a discipline path of strict this & do’s and don’ts so that she could experience that then you would be an obligation for specifically males to train themselves by masturbating to be able to control their ejaculation and sustain themselves and have sexual continence is as acute as a keyword so that they could help induce that experience in their beloved one and only sexual partner for the rest of your life in a close relationship in service to God to reproduce more God worshippers or whatever else is going to stay in the program but I just don’t see why they demonized masturbation and don’t value I mean do you have any sense of what obviously it’s a patriarchal religion and they’re wanting to they’re wanting to deny female empowerment on every level but do you encounter any any of that I guess that the religious Dogma around it from you know any of these perspectives or if you been able to get you two people you’re right about the patriarchal aspect of it I think it’s about control and so the more pleasure a woman has you know you’re not controlling her anymore as kind of visits to take the date they seem to be taught and I think they don’t you know people who practice many of these religions aren’t realizing all of this again there’s layers so they just are taught a certain thing and one thing we know about sexuality is that it’s very selfish feeling what we believe is very helpful feeling so if if a woman believes that she can have multiple orgasms she’s far far far more likely to experience them that if she believed she cannot orgasm at all and so I I think it’s really yeah it’s really interesting I don’t know that Hello Kitty has broken through per se but I I have had a lot of really interesting conversations and I think it’s important to have those talks to people who do things differently and you know one time I was sitting on a plane next to a woman whose daughter had come out as gay and she was really struggling as a very religious person and it was so beautiful as we were able to have a real Soul connection kind of talk I think partly because I was a stranger right it came up because she was asking what I do when I shared about girl boner little bit and so it was for me having a religious background me I was born in a religious family and my grandfather was a pastor at a church where there was a lot of repressive behavior and teachings that’s been a benefit for me now because I do understand where a lot of it comes from it and I understand where it comes from with good intentions and I think it’s important to respect people’s Journeys and go you know they’re trying to do what they believe is right but there are ways to to you know be religious and embrace all of this and you’re so right about the divine nature of all that pleasure me it’s so powerful and I think that’s where a lot of here comes from you know it’s it’s really strange yeah it’s it’s very strange it’s very backward and improver some you know I will not to be I guess the thing is to sort out and kind of help figure out the commonality and see where we all want we all want to be D possessed of demonic influences and forces I think that’s agreed agreed upon. And whether it’s modern diagnosis of disorders and you know all the things in the DSM manual however you frame it you know they would have just call it demonic possession or being Bewitched to have an eating disorder you know but if pleasure cures that than we should make the math and say that we need to develop Technic technology to see to cure diseases and isn’t that what Christ did of all things you know also the pressure on on especially women at but all genders face pressured it to look a certain way and a lot of ass about control too so we can turn it all around and I think it also helps you know what to tell people like you can have your morals and your beliefs and you don’t because I think sometimes we talk about sexual empowerment people assume that what that mean positive means is try to have as much sex as possible and that to me is not the goal I do think that if we if women were more empowered sexually from a physical standpoint of gendered button and men were were taught to delve into their emotions and embrace intimacy and didn’t weren’t taught that that is not manly you know then everyone would benefit so much and women as a whole would want more sex they would have more desire they didn’t enjoy the physical parts more men would have been emotional parts more you know so it’s but I also think that it’s important to know that in my opinion sexual positivity and embracement is all about identifying and exploring and learning what that means for you and what authentic sexuality is and so that maybe that you’re a guy who doesn’t desire sex very much and that’s okay like you. You don’t have to want sex everyday to be a man and it may be that as a woman you want to masturbate everyday or you want to have River Partners consistently you don’t like whatever that means so you know I don’t know that answer your question but I do think it’s it’s it’s really fascinating and I think you know it can get really complex and we try to think of like all these big issues and what I often find is the most powerful is Hugo okay well where am I at and where do I want to be and an even think it’s okay that I have shame because I think we can beat ourselves up for that too cuz they’re so mixed messages out there but just say you know what can I do to just know myself more I think there’s power in that right yeah you can be shamed by certain groups by not being liberated enough fast enough to ya will ya appreciate that definitely honoring everyone where they’re at across the Spectrum and yeah we we’ve covered some good religious stuff and some education stuff so I’m curious I always like to ask if you you know given your knowledge and experience you pretty well-versed in where there be key leverage points to make the greatest shifts and and really suffering by empowering people with tools and techniques in new ways of thinking and even old ways of thinking that my predate some of the issues that we’ve been stuck in here but if you had let’s say not necessarily a position of in office as political Authority but let’s just say the power and influence of a rockstar or you know more as somebody who’s at the top of the the culture making factory you know in and it sounds like you’ve had plenty of experience in those in that Machinery of culture you know maybe we could talk about just some of what you dreamed of what your dreams would be if you were to really be just infinite influence in infant infinite resources to not necessarily rule the world or like I said be the most powerful dictator of course but someone who people would wear that respect and looked up to an end and I’m just being empowered leader you kind of have out-of-the-box Big Dreams that that we could just sort of hopefully subscribe to energetically you know you know I think the biggest help for me would be to to help people really see their own worth and I live very very authentically and I I know I stay authenticity quite often if I said it 10 times as interview and it has become a little bit of a catchphrase but to me that has been lost quite a lot and I think in some ways again we we have moved forward but our sexuality needs to be normalized we need to feel okay about it I can’t tell you how many messages I got from namely women every single message since I started girl boner has almost had the exact same question at the heart which is is my OK like is this a wrong thing about me how do I fix this thing like what is this problem I am and I really think that even though I’m on the the past my Gateway is sexuality because sexual empowerment I think it’s still a very lacking thing in there so much misinformation and misunderstanding and gross to do but at the heart of it it’s that it’s being okay with ourselves like I’d love to see a time where we didn’t need anybody to teach you about sexual empowerment like it should just be this normal thing like we are all just Who We R I I heard a Michael Pollan that the food and nutrition writer is say before that he wishes there was no need for nutritionist. Because I totally already saying like it’s become this this this pressurized you know machine where there’s all these numbers and we have to do it perfectly and we have to be a certain way and this is bad for you and good for you it and we can lose ourselves in that mix and so I’d love to help people just really embraced their uniqueness it and who they are so that they can live a full life is where we you know begin to to not only have a wonderful life that we can enjoy certainly not without challenges but it would be with the challenges we want you know like the challenges that are worth it because we’re able to be ourselves and so that’s it that’s the biggest thing I would love for people to to not have to stress so much about being perfect and being sexual in the right kind of way. It’s just to say this is me and and now what cuz one thing I learned from my own journey is when you go through something like an eating disorder or depression or addiction you really learn how much energy it takes to to be destructive toward yourself and when you are able to move past it or through it or for some people that’s continual recovery you have so much energy and brainpower and time to do so much with it’s so precious to me now because wait again no pun intended was listed and now I don’t have to be so stressed out over it if you can if you could spend that much time being self-destructive and having negative self-talk it’s incredible you’re born again in NFL not creepy house you’re talking because I feel like if you even with you know where ever any of us out there as blockers and podcasters and Educators there is a lot of power and leverage just in being able to ask for help from fans and from listeners and to kind of crowd Source content and crowdsource just answer you know could be topics for sure it could be really anything but now I’m feeling like did these messages you have about being your authentic self you know that that could be some powerful pop chorus hook you know where you’re the these gems of that you know the essence of your insights could be made into poetry and then made into tracks in and it would be something to say have a contest you know a listener contest you note to hear his money like if you wrote a poem or you wrote some lyrics or you said take the girl boner lexicon of resources that you’ve been creating and Give Them Wings into the culture give them the ability to know that just came up for me right now thinking about that we thinking on that thank you well thank you cuz now it’s like we both creative space for the unimaginable to be called called for thinned yeah I just I definitely want to see these these insights I mean it I feel like there’s so many songs about both sick with a free sample them one of my one of my tonsils sort of mentors said I’m just she’s very into just open kind of free-flowing you know designer relationship kind of sexuality and Ness think it’s not for everybody but but she was just pointing out that she could not the radio anymore I guess Spotify or whatever it is whatever it is that you’re scrolling through for your musical entertainment and it’s going to be I’m either in love with somebody and I’m going to kill myself if they leave me or I’m attempting suicide because they just left me or something very extreme I mean I kind of I added those that paraphrases words but I think the words that she was worried it was the hardest the heartache that sells and there’s this sort of cursing of everyone into these boxes of relationship all funneling into these political economic units of the nuclear family and marriage were still in that and that Paradigm and I’m not going to say it’s bad but I will say that it’s it’s bad if it imposes that on people who were interested in other things but if you don’t even know that exists how are you going to have re-imagined so if you have these very radical things that you’re developing and they were made into a an anthology of empowering Tunes you could really I’m sort of a closet musician so that’s yeah that’s so interesting wow yeah I just think there is such Power Inn in the Arts in general to I think it’s one of the most magical ways to reach people in it there’s so much influence and honesty there when people accept it more I think when it’s how is dead as art were much more likely like we will look at you know nude paintings and stuff like that it’s it’s interesting cuz I have a a book close all that Publishers are beginning to consider again and my agent has been sending it around and it’s non-fiction but it’s about sexuality and she sent it to one of the biggest erotica Publishers and they thought it was too risque which was so surprising to me and that I realized it’s when when sexuality is real it’s scarier two people right now like they’re still a little there still some of that going on where people are weak we can accept it in fiction and we can accept it in and you know these other kind of mediums but when it’s when it’s actual real in your face it out fact it is harder and I I do think that there’s something to as you said there’s been erotica forever and I think it’s some of those those Avenues are some of the most powerful Jimmy bring it into you know music is is so powerful if you as your as you’re helping women achieve these more advanced states of arousal and fulfillment are they are they leaving their boyfriends in the dust and are they starting to I mean if I feel like the the way that the the spell that you know guys are sort of keeping over women it really only works I mean it’s just that I don’t know I’m sick of 1950s having sex in the bluff in the back of a car I’m just sort of imagining what where what that that sort of archetype around sex sex is a 3-minute act. And a woman should only ever expect to get that much out of a man and maybe he’ll sweet-talk you and give you a little bit of foreplay and convince you that he loves you or maybe he won’t or maybe he won’t even ask your permission and it will be raped and but it’s really like this tiny box of what sex is he even is and then you know what I mean so many women as you know never orgasm mini I think more the majority of women only orgasm with toys by themselves or with other women who know what they’re doing and give a fuck about orgasm for females in so I know a lot of guys are behind the curve scratching your head going you know why why can’t when they’re getting lonely and it women are having a more empowered language around this and more empowered experience in just this huge Awakening since let’s say that was all there was allowed to be thought of you in the shaming and masturbation maybe you would never know even in private alone her potential but I’m curious if you’re seeing the the sort of Exodus of women out of toxic relationships with from men who don’t care to become masters of their own bodies and their beloveds bodies in an interesting way when I was beginning my road to sexual empowerment was taking a college course that was the beginning of the end with the partner had at the time and terrifying anybody who’s listening to listen to myself going to break up but I do think that the first of all here with a toxic partner than if I would be able to honored if I couldn’t read it to you being away from a toxic person but but there is a challenge that’s very real when one person is is growing in themselves and end on this journey to authenticity and empowerment in understanding their sexuality and if their partner is not and is not because especially as you just mentioned it maybe does that maybe you’re with a guy who is quite happy with the way things are because his pleasure was erased he’s getting what he want you know and so yeah that that can be at that can create a really difficult spot but I think what’s important is to recognize how powerful it is to be with a woman who is on that journey and speak in that Journey with her is like the most beautiful thing like my chills have chills right now thinking about it it’s so and and to be a partner to that person first of all We Will Cherish use toll you know you will benefit so much like I had one comment from a guy on my block who was morning my other readers saying she’s ruining men for she’s ruining women for men and I just got mad that I was teaching encouraging women to be more independent and not to be that 1950s archetype and and I just it’s sad to me because that that person maybe he will meet somebody who doesn’t want to change and that’s who she is and you know great for them if they’re happy with it but but it’s very sad to me that that he will never know and guys like that will never know what it is like to to grow in that way with somebody it is sacred it is beautiful and the pleasure you know because the pleasure from one partner is can’t help it radiates and an effect the other person and there’s like this Cosmic thing so I I just would encourage anybody who is feeling stock yeah it’s really hard especially if you’re with somebody who you really care about and you love them and but you’re growing in different directions I mean not that happens and but it doesn’t have to be the end of it can be a huge growth opportunity to get to work together and to Define that place and I think having conversations is hugely important than talking about the stuff especially the stuff that’s that’s really difficult call Ed vulnerable because the more vulnerable that we allow ourselves to be the better and I think there is ways to prevent it and say hey I’m discovering things about myself and it’s scary and it’s vulnerable and it’s crazy but it’s amazing and I want you to be part of it you want to join this with me you know that they’re really loving ways to go about it and and the loving person even if they’re not hopefully I’m bored and I feel super uncomfortable they’re going to want what’s best for you so and that’s always the case and it just may be that this is the thing that shows you their true colors 2008 so it’s yeah it’s interesting I should take a poll have I have I made you break up with your partner and I really don’t know well it’s it’s it’s a new conversation template red you could do a blog post about the tips for the ultimatum when you say you either going to learn to be at Choice with your ejaculation which is a nice way to say grow up and be a man and I mean I’m a man and I’ve had to go through this process but I made it to the other side There’s Hope and glory and exactly what you’re saying you know when you live when you’re a man who lives to witness the Ecstasy of a woman and to actually experience the the sort of positive feedback loop of multi orgasm then you really it’s a game-changer and it’s it’s you don’t have to think about dirty socks and your grandma to hold back to ejaculation if you know how to breathe and that’s a whole nother that’s kind of weird you know a lot of me and my fellow male educators are we’re trying to create more dutiful lovers for women in your camp for accelerating and evolving in but that’s an important thing the whole lot of women I interviewed they talked about so what did your journey begin well I was in a relationship that wasn’t fulfilling and I discovered that I’m capable of La Porte I said by but it was also a process where they kind of had to choose do you want to support me and do you want to admit that you don’t know everything and that you might need to learn a few new things and we can enjoy it certainly the most enjoyable thing practicing sex I mean come on exactly exactly so yeah do you deep so do you have you what kind of responses have you had I guess from women who are on this path of empowerment dr. Megan Fleming clinical psychologist and therapist in New York City and a broad range and the only for women but predominantly and you know there’s a big range certainly there’s that theme of their shame and they’re trying to figure out what’s wrong with them and usually well always answer is there’s nothing wrong with you and then helping them to see you know that that they are fine and wonderful and beautiful and and give them send some guidance but I hear a whole lot of different responses I have heard from women who are struggling to you know get their partner or two to be more on on the same page with them and I’ve also you know heard from a lot of of women who say thank you because I thought I was the only one because the way I started with girl boners I just I just opened up my life and started talking about my own experiences because I realized that once I started people started to respond they they weren’t likely to start the conversation themselves especially publicly but when I shared about me they all my gosh and example one of the topics that still very popular is having a higher sex drive than your partner and so many women right to me and say I thought I was the only one I thought my partner just didn’t really you know I thought I was I was not attractive or whatever where I thought it was some anomaly and or one of my most popular series actually that I’m going to be jumping into again next month is on dating a sociopath because I was in a relationship with one and and thank you I learned a lot and I am super grateful now it because of what is giving me but I think I partly started the series because of a friend of mine was going through something similar and I realize that you know she wasn’t a place where she could tell her story but I can tell mine and and so I still here almost every week I would say and I did this year is over a year ago from somebody to share the story and so yeah the questions are all over the place but there’s definitely a sensitive you know there’s a huge desire for pleasure a lot of the questions are about getting more pleasure how do I know whether it’s with a partner or you know from a partner and and I see a real desire for that and I think that’s huge I think that’s a huge change that I’ve seen and even in the last you know five six years since I start a girl boner is that there is much more embracement of women’s pleasure and there’s there’s still a lot of you know confusing messages out there but I think that they’re really hungry for that and also I have to say I have a lot of guys who listen and they’re wonderful and they are conscientious and they care about women and they care about women’s pleasure and I got multiple questions about you know they’re concerned that they’re not pleasuring their partner enough and I just really appreciate I think it takes all of us and to have these conversations and again there are a lot of damaging method affect guys too so it’s the conversations are huge I would say that the the most common thing I hear is they want more pleasure they they’re struggling with something that usually has to do with accepting themselves or they want their partner to be happier and I hear that from all all across the gender spectrum is people really care about each other and that list me up every time ye that selfless thing and you know as you’re saying this I’m remembering that if I was a teenager or in my early twenties and I found your podcast I will be glued to it and it would be the same would be like I don’t know why I’m having these old I’m having these old like a pop culture references yeah but it’s like the idea of Imagine imagine Boys in it in their Treehouse Clubhouse with like a tin can wire to try to hear what the girls were saying so that they could actually have a clue and it’s like this there should be and I think that’s just something to activate an issue this this kind of I don’t know I feel like the masculine sort of socialization since really violent video games and pouring of come about that there’s really like a hardening of the heart and just sort of a even more callous kind of like pimp culture II you know you don’t even if if you’re supposed to just treat women like disposable fast food then you’re not really an enchanted by The Mystery of the feminine you’re not really exploring your own Fantasy Realm when you imagine what it feels like to just think of someone you have a crush on I mean it’s just like a flattening of that you know some glad to hear you say that there are Seekers out there of the Mysteries of the family and I feel like yeah I hopefully this is there more women will say you got a really educate yourself these these podcasts are out there what you’re doing is is available and and it just seems like such a mischievous Street to be able to listen to women talk about what pleases them if you’re a man and you want to get the girl you know I mean they’re sitting in a tree houses listening but it’s not so it’s it’s very against you what that really is like the rawness and the the intimacy and I yeah I would love to see more you know especially the younger guys really treasuring that cuz I really do think they care a whole lot yeah deeply and authentically for sure but beneath all of the fronting and even though the posturing and fronting to be homophobic I mean if that when that gets dissolved you know then there’s so much more openness to all kinds of expiration and pleasure so well well I’m glad I’ve got a heart boner right now just listening to all this good stuff I think we’re definitely here at the right time and I’m so excited to 2 to get into I just binged listen to podcast so I’ll probably will start at the first one and go all the way to the last I just have this huge download and yeah hopefully I will be in touch again in and definitely just want to send lots of positive prayers and blessings your way and definitely will be ya sharing your great works with my listeners and 20 people your way so do you have any do you want to talk about your websites and you know what you have to offer and what people should be looking out for in the future and any last words for now sorry yeah and thank you so much I so appreciate that support and this has been really really fun and very insightful I have a lot going on tonight my website is August McLaughlin. 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Org and I blog there you can find extras articles that I write link to the two books that I’ve written and I hope to have a nonfiction book out sometime in the near future so and it’s being marketed Publishers right now and she’ll comes out every week and I love hearing from people so if anybody does listen and they want to let me know what they think or if they have a question I am I seriously protect people’s privacy so you can always reach out to me through my website and I’m everywhere on social media please reach out I I love to hear from you and I just hope that everybody out there will you know take a breath and a moment to look within and just start taking steps to be more authentic and to embrace yourself exactly where you are knowing that everything of that especially those little baby ones are impactful beautiful all right August thank you so much have a wonderful night and I look forward to next time all right I’ll see you so much for listening to the podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition assassini and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or team event at Orchard Park. 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Godgasms with Rak Razam TPP100

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Rak Razam Pic To celebrate episode 100, I invited my comrade and soul brother Rak Razam back to talk about his progress in the field of shamanography. His online documentary series Shamans of the Global Village is an extremely powerful and important media project that deserves and requires our grassroots support. We discuss the production of his first episode, the implications and perils of scaling the DMT experience to the masses, the philosophy of Godgasms, and much more.

Please visit his websites at:
http://www.rakrazam.com
http://www.shamansoftheglobalvillage.com/

About Rak:
Rak Razam is the world’s leading ‘experiential’ journalist, writing about and helping shape the emergence of a new cultural paradigm in the 21st century. A writer, film producer and culture maker, he bridges the worlds of shamanism, consciousness and popular culture.

He is currently producer of an episodic TV show called Shamans of the Global Village with director Niles Heckman. (http://www.shamansoftheglobalvillage.com)

A prolific media maker and networker, he hosts a popular podcast show In a Perfect World (http://in-a-perfect-world.podomatic.com) .

Author of the critically acclaimed book Aya Awakenings: A Shamanic Odyssey and the companion volume of interviews, The Ayahuasca Sessions, he is a frequent lecturer on ayahuasca and the shamanic revival sweeping the West. He wrote, produced and co-directed the groundbreaking visionary documentary Aya: Awakenings (www.aya-awakenings.com) and he leads ayahuasca retreats in Peru: http://www.aya-awakenings.com/retreats

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved is welcome to Township Funk podcast episode number 100 I am on Skype with Rak razam my dear brother in arms in the shamanic Revolution and yeah we did we did in a perfect world podcast racks podcast episode number 100 at Venice Beach under a Terence McKenna mural that we happened upon and at that point we really opened up a sort of mutual Treatise on this projected future of a perfect world than that’s already we’re already in it we just need to sort of wake up to it and enjoy it really that was a lot of it and also just getting into the how we’re weaving in the science of psychedelic research with shamanic esoteric ancient wisdom and how to really bring and merge sort of hacking The Matrix with all this medicine work and now that it’s my episode 100 I wanted to have wrecked I want to have you back and have us catch up and have you open up with the everything you’ve been achieving and then we’ll get into some deep Next Level and tactics for the for this chapter of the shamanic Revolution so with that said brother please I’ve been good in general I think you’ve been it’s it’s a pleasure to be on your show again and happy 100th episode it was saying all fair that it is it is an amazing accomplishment you know it said to be engaging with the community on an ongoing basis and to be releasing conversations like these and helping seeds different Minds with different ideas you know I think it’s part of the circuitry of adjust the global so many cool wakening but this whole new paradigm that seems to be sprouting from the the debris of the old world as it crumbles all around us and so these are the times and we are the ones and yes yes this is this is this is very interesting is in what is it is it is it is and it is more than us as well you know just just just the other weekend when I had a bit of a romantic encounter one of the interesting things that happened is like you know I feel like in so many ways we will we still we still hooked up on the ego then we still hooked up on sense of identity and an individualism and it just struck me I had to sort of Consciousness shift and it was almost as if you know the cause justness of a larger Consciousness either the world Consciousness or just I don’t know of any larger Consciousness is almost phasing in and viewing the experience of the world through my Consciousness and then I could almost feel how you couldn’t shift to the person next to me is consciousness or trees Consciousness oh yeah like I guess it’s like what is it it is essentially life itself which is is opening up and is is is witnessing and embodying and experiencing this miracle of creation and of life itself through the vessels that it has grown for itself and the thing is I think we’re getting to the stage if we can even have this conversation about intellectual leave that concept that it starts to be you know the first outer envelope all been buddying that concept which means all right so you know if you can imagine it then it can become real and essentially that’s all lyrics about what imagination really is and how you use that to sort of kava the probability fields of reality and it’s always been like that but it was starting to get these to the non-jews died or Unity Consciousness or transpersonal city names are on the rise but essentially imagine that we’re not just what we think we are and then what it is is is source is the originating medium of existence which is a real euphemism for God and I know but it’s west of of of of a life discovery of up to recognize we might say who will we what are we what is our purpose in life and in reality we’re still anchoring you know the same question biller and Karine vanasse selves and I think the answer to what we are and you know that ass that was saying is we are rich but then what is it as you say and it’s like what it what is it up to is it doing how do we see this point mutation of Consciousness itself you know in in Alex’s tenses and the existence of a species and the existence of life itself on us and for me that that’s that’s the big question is not what isn’t it right though the ancient wisdom Zelda ancient questions are coming full circle what as as were exploring the semantics I’m just having beautiful flashbacks from episode 1 of shamans of the global village where I think the I think this is now my all-time favorite cinematic device was with when you were profiling the participants of the ceremony and their you’re getting a glimpse of them getting ready to take their hit and then you flash to their most extreme moment of doubt in total rapturous ecstasy and that’s it isn’t it being sort of blown you know it’s like a cartoon character with the smoke coming out of the year is and eyes bulging just absolute to the global village. Call me when you can find it at with Niles Heckman who is the director in my partner on that and he’s the one that sang for that you know beautiful Flash Forward into the splicing and nonlinear Arrangement as he say we we took a group of Weston has to Tiburon Island to shock Islands on the West Coast of Mexico where we will have your writing a Mexican originally GPA and now it’s too many to Sylacauga who works with the the Sonoran Desert Toad the bufo alvarius incilius which is incredibly powerful basically they’re the tub contains both prefer to name and 5 Meo DMT in high concentrations and when smoke and added to your own endogenous tryptamines including 5-mer produced is essentially a non-jew state or Unity State scuse me of them complete the obliterate of individuality into into the oceanic and Incredibly loving vibration of all that is and it’s it’s just incredibly transformative an end essentially what music throughout history have been calling that white light tunnel experience so that Unity Consciousness experience and Niles was very astute and brake lever in the way he portrayed some of the participants some sacred ceremony when did the real catches and funnily enough is a media maker I have all people have filmed a lot of my Journeys over the years pretty much do that exciting I’ve been in some loose talks with somebody I will make his wanting to do in Iowa vs everybody and I’m like in the locker and you get The Descent of ceremony and the shaman you know steering the ceremony but I had so Dak and be everyone’s just sitting there and pillaging you know I like it’s the same with 5 Meo with the toad potentially with most of the chamonix Ackerman season medicines which have a deep and profound spiritual connection and healing on the inside but on the outside when you feel nice things you just getting the flesh Bonnie and then when people say it you know what that’s okay Bo has quite a few videos on YouTube and it’s a bit of a catch-22 because he really wants to promote his work and help people and I share this with the world or what he’s doing but you know it creates a bit of a discrepancy in a dissonance because people can just log on with that any sense of context or ritual themselves and you just log on and see if Facebook video or YouTube video someone going through this experience it just looks like they’re they’re going through tolcher all day going through screaming or catharsis you said it just before it sinks tosses and this is really part of the casing out culture Western Global Western culture which is global culture nowadays as soon as I said it was taking over the world does not have a relationship on mess with spiritual practices obviously there’s lots of spiritual coaches and spiritual practices are on the increase still but I guess you know capitalist consumer everyday culture doesn’t have a relationship with spirit and in specially does not have a relationship with extensions which is the Greek word for ecstasy and in that what they mean it’s the Ecstasy of connecting with the Divine and this isn’t something we necessarily need an external Catalyst to accomplish this is something which is both. Both right and Al biological and neurological imperative you know what I’ve been doing a little work with another side project the Terra incognita project Terra being the Latin Woods it’s the TV off looking at you know the Neuroscience behind trip to Maine States and especially 5-meo and unity Consciousness and you know essentially we have this functionality within us and when we are in Optima configurations is human beings when we leaving in right relationship with yours without house with the other medicines of food with the medicines of our energy when we’re away from emfs and older sort of distractions and obfuscations and pollutions of 21st century living we can be sensitive enough to the energy and the the call of the planet and a spirit itself and on those deeper levels if you sort of pump that muscle if you if you work with the endogenous tryptamine sitter renewal yo yo wait where you can have this full-blown mystical experience which is not something just to become modified or treated as separate from s elves DC that there you know what all the spiritual traditions in the religious Traditions originally on the students to promote to add a great misunderstanding the God is within and the dino the Divine Essence as well sign before what is it we are Divine beings having a human experience and Al bodies are temples to both hold Consciousness but to hold the Divine and it when you think about that when you actually put in the horse in front of the car this is a message if all of history has been the wrong way round it’s like we think we’re individuals and I think with a physical bodies when in fact with a Spiritual Beings and when women say that what does that mean it means that from my understandings of mine on juul experiences with Dave sauce it said they go see any incredibly loving and not loving like your aunt doting on you or even well sort of like your mother loving you but lately if you could if you could imagine if you could reach her feet and explode woodlouse and answers transpose that on to being in the heart of the sun and the intense Atomic vibratory explosive power of what love really is as a vibration and then how that disseminates will radiates from Deep Source through the other astral of ecological levels to I almost like you know deep sources like this Oceanic experience is like the individual Consciousness in the ego at Consciousness which thinks it’s an individual it falls away whatever the psychic and actually the the scientific reasoning for this at the moment is that does default mode Network clustering areas of the brain which are involved in the sense of ego and identity and basically create a filter between us and the lodger off switch is welded Lodge mind at large and sorcerer Lodge and they they give us these Regional ability to function on The Trestle level and in doing that they crazy go constructs which help us navigate the complexity of information overload of what reality really is down here but in doing that as well like desensitize off to a true spiritual Neches because so much of the meditation practices and different coaches you know they they teach egolessness or the whole almost a cocktail a sort of movement you know which is great because there’s all these different mainstream sudden movements which are really getting involved in reducing the sense of ego just like psychedelics an empty gyms in the shamanic medicine and then what do they reveal it like they do nothing really but that science is really studied it and I’ve seen the wind the default mode network is Switched Off and this can happen with Buy psychedelics in shamanic medicine the medicine some cells are necessarily having the psychedelico that you know is it that that transpersonal essay switching off the areas of the brain with your inhibiting our relationship with the the interdimensional energetic Cosmos which is all around us and you know it’s true that LSD for instance is metabolized for the body was in about 19 minutes but the actual psychedelic Effect season usually felt in the in the Consciousness till about half an hour or so we know that we’re opening up at Consciousness and a bean and weary sensitizing and so disability for us to have this experience and to connect to a larger aspect of our selves it’s almost as if deep sauce is like deep ocean and then you got these shamanic sort of Astral ecologies and levels where you know there’s a multiplicity of states of being and potentially other entities and other beings and bodied and embedded within a Viber tree levels of existence and then you have the the matter world and the material existence we see all around now there’s an unbroken Continuum of arbitrary energy which you know is all of those levels of existence and everything is vibration at different levels of existence and so when you get too deep sauce it is this incredible of arbitrary atomic explosion of love and love is almost not a big enough word to to do a Justice because it’s the hot and you’re you are not that you were in the heart of the star you are the heart of a star and it it’s it’s unconditional love it’s a vibration is the Primal all my guess which different Buddhists in cultures that have ascribed to see what I’m getting at is what away on what it what is it it’s one in the same but the more and more the way sensitize and we let go of the ego that Divine potential is is Hobbit within the vessel the temples of our bodies and I think you know I’m just coming so much of even the shamanic movement of psychedelic movement the spiritual movements it can be really focused on the idea of Liberation or they said they were you know and it’s a skating be on but it’s almost looking at the wrong way around because it’s almost as if all we have to do is open the space within us for it to come through it’s not that we have to do something it’s it we almost have to not do something we just have to let go of this illusion of control this egoic sense of controlling everything and and so now it seems like so much of all these movements are actually you know gearing towards you can let go of control you can do the CNN still somehow we going but it’s a relationship what I’ve discovered that we have with with sauce Consciousness with inner animal relationship everyone awakens at the right time in their own time and you can’t you can’t rush it and Yukon faucet and you cancel the cross paths in a y Sousa people that have Mountain meditation people to join to Tantra people that have joined a shamanic exploration you know the same Central sauce and people will find their own expression of Awakening I guess I I feel that you have from really stood out as as a representative of the toad medicine and it actually could help bridge a lot of gaps in my 4-1 the the idea of encountering demons or Shadow biosphere parasites astral parasites all those fears and worries and anxieties that people would have with pretty much any other tryptamine for sure it sounds like the the toad medicine experience just bypasses all of those lower levels of being and you just go straight into the light into the unified Brahma and you know the truth unisex ultimate Supreme personality of the godhead undifferentiated into any any personalities or any any gendered personalities gods goddesses demigods deities demons you know whatever it’s all you just kind of bypass that which gives it a sort of um I guess a new appeal I mean Terence McKenna was all really I think if he can I think it was his wet dream if you could have had one day to hold a magic wand he would have you know not course if not in the course of way but just given the opportunity for everybody to smoke in in GMT right and that could have that could be disastrous because people keep get freaked out because they might encounter stuff that’s attached to them like go through the Bardo and not have their wits about them and be traumatized if not worse but this is a miracle if there is an experience of that level of extreme Revelation you know in a 5-10 minutes. It’s that pretty much bypasses that that potential I guess Hard Sell for the masses right and I’m not able to don’t you know there’s no spiritual bypassing thing is God bless you know st. Terrence of course so much of the American architecture of all these conversations and it’s almost like the house that we all inhabit was really the subdivided all the foundation’s what it was built by Terrence speaking through he’s on lens so he didn’t you know pretty much you know introduce DMT to the masses in in in a very tangible way it was also one of the early should have trouble guidance of Ayahuasca when it really wasn’t that well known in the early to mid 90s and at that time between you know the 60s culture the 90s could’ve Raves psychedelic Resurgence cultural and what we have now and you know Terrence it’s it it’s a very deep responsibility to be talking about this subject so I take it very carefully and what I say and and is he can really become a missile missile mythologizing you know a lot of stuff you can be very difficult to talk about these things and I know I’m guilty of this I’ve made a documentary about the Sonoran Desert toad but I also work with the name Gio Lockwood scientists and practitioners and I’ve seen a lot more depth to it that you know when we create media room we have these conversations it’s still only one facet of it so I try to have as many facets in this conversation as I can and I think just it to come around what’s a Terrance really did an amazing job of creating awareness around these modalities in or around the fact that there were these shamanic sacraments and he helped both will see do you know this how many coaches in the morning so many coach we’ve got now but you know what generation of the tenants at Aaron’s now we’ve got like almost the Flipside in a lot of culturally trees around the the best of that culture so you know as much as said I was curious as incredibly obscure South American Plant now they loved his old South America that is you know practitioners in communities all around the world is Ayahuasca churches you know the end is really pronounce tissues around the commodification of Ayahuasca renew reabsorption of into the Western culture which is sort of pattern matching their reabsorption and commodification of psychedelics in general the medicalization the control again all these potentially revolutionary substances into a very narrow band with some experience which yes can be amazing medicines and can heal and can help treat PTSD in you know will veterans or not people they doing legal studies we said the message you know the most multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies into terminal cancer patients with psilocybin or LSD MDMA things like that there’s a danger in it be in mainstreaming here at the moment everyone’s falling over themselves to to talk about microdosing LSD you know the business periodicals The Wall Street Journal you know Time Magazine you know all these entrepreneurial so it seems like oh my God everyone’s doing it you should do it too and cilantro in in in a time time for attention deficit culture the message is going out that these things which are used to be revolutionary and now Commodities to be integrated into your busy with a clock danger of that as well and so DMT interesting ly Nails how much walking this multiple tryptamines which contains dimethyltryptamine number one you could remember that the trip to means of endogenous to Al Consciousness to humans to mammals through the plant kingdom they’re all 3 night shot it seems to be that it’s very close to the truth the main thing in your transmitter they don’t quite say that it is but it’s it’s so close that travels down the serotonin Pathways if they still indigenous tribes I know of and I know men text via rounds Darkness rituals in Thailand a couple of times a year I’ve had some friends who go into them Mexican Shaman to run Darkness for traits if the human organism is in total darkness for like 10 days or more you start to lose the Melatonin which is you know crates your skin pigment and time sense and helps the absorption of vitamin D and sunlight is melatonin Troubles Down at Saratoga Popeyes in the daytime at nighttime the tryptamines trouble down the serotonin pause Waze so if you’re entitled darkness by 60 the Melatonin supposed to leave after a few days your brain will spontaneously Patrice pineal in which episode of is a booster it’s a trip to Maine to the next to boost it for the next Cascades by Bad Day 5 6 7 you start for juice 5 Meo DMT which is what we’ve been talkin about with the Sonoran Desert toad it’s also in many different plants across the world in Stellaris cross which was quite popular in the 1990s on the shamanic the burgeoning underground some in exchange for experimenting you know and it’s grass that grows and some of them to low you but if you get a high-yield grass apparently didn’t get a very tangible return on the 5 Meo in the in the garage switch replenishable and it’s not afraid the the the coach of the environmental load on a on a native species likely thing was I was going to end unfortunately we’re also saying with his snoring desert toad but 12 and up their kind of looking okay so if you’re 12 in the person you’re interested in is a little bit older than maybe but you need to be careful with that and I think the big problem comes in as when we have people are on the cusp so you have somebody’s 15 16 17 to date someone and then they turn 18 you know the other partner turns 18 now what so now you’re not supposed to be in this relationship any longer and now all of a sudden you cannot consent to this relationship I don’t know I feel like there’s a I understand the laws and I understand the reasons for it I think it’s great to protect people but I also think we don’t give teens credit for being actual sexual persons who can make choices for themselves yeah I was certainly with a lot of older women when I was under 18 so that would have I would have been upset and sad if anyone tried to step in and on that but it’s better than a master complicated certainly you I don’t know I guess in my area would have been that just as a rule of thumb male sexual energy was just kind of demonised is being predatorial. And now it’s a lesbian couple it’s a female identified female body young women who were yeah it’s a different just so many different Dynamic so who knows where it’ll lead at this point but at least the center for sexuality is here to have these conversations and do you have do you have do you want to talk about a bit about what your your passion is as an educator in the as a professor like what are you do you have any research that you’re doing your department so are you kind of um yeah like kind of locking into a specific topics that interest you amongst all these things I mean most of my work still centers around sexuality and I usually teach introductory an advanced human sexuality courses they also teach other classes so I teach mainly in sociology departments so you know I teach about society and culture and people but I really like teaching about deviance and doing research on deviance and identity and and all that kind of stuff so a lot of my research is about BDSM is about sex work is about feminist pornography is a kinds of fun stuff I’m presenting at a conference next month on a paper that came out about a year ago and the Journal of sex medicine my colleagues and I did a study on looking at BDSM as a Leisure activity so if we can say fine it’s not pathology let’s stop talking about it that way so okay then what is it and we thought well maybe it fits Weezer and if we look at leisure as not just a Pastime but as something that you identify with something that makes you feel whole makes you feel fulfilled is something that you choose to do then then I think it can fit into that category so that’s one of the big one of the big research projects I worked on very recently that’s awesome you have to make it makes me think that if I were to have to explain anthropologically or take that sort of the view of being an alien trying to understand what people are doing her I would kind of say well when when kids are pre-pubescent they make believe and they create epic worlds of Adventure and fantasy role-play and then when people come of age you become adults and they realize that they have these new toys that develop then they want to use them and actually be imaginative and creative in and use their whole potential of their erogenous imagination and their new toys and then they can actually play freely with each other where you know when when kids are playing playing games that you would consider to be somewhat violent and nature they don’t usually actually harm or kill each other you know so it’s not that hard it’s not that great of a leap of logic right to imagine that adults would reaxis some of that imaginary fun making instincts or hate American culture as we really look down on Leisure we would look down on play and we look down on make-believe and so we decide that’s just for children and it’s not for grown ups and I think that that’s a really horrible horrible perspectives of the world cuz you’re only a child for a very very brief point of your life and you’re an adult for a really really long part of your life and wouldn’t I don’t want to stop playing. Why would you want to grow up ever and so yeah I think of BDSM I think erotic play I feel like yeah it’s just this extension of your creativity and artistic and Tristan and your means of expressing yourself and now you get to have sex so why wouldn’t you add that and everything else thank you for helping to frame it that way cuz that it’s it’s so it’s easier to digest when you when I just have never heard that what that phrase before but it just erotic play being obviously it means that you could incorporate more than just your one monogamous married partner that’s just still only allowed that culturally they by the mainstream the idea of being sexually playful with a group of people in the community of people as a social activity like a cocktail party or a mixer or I mean why can’t you believe make break into play make-believe you know the okay fine I just I’m this is my partner this is the only person I’m going to have sex with her I’m going to be in love with or however you’re defining that but I can pretend for the next hour or two that there’s someone I’ve never met before or that there a superhero or that a magical being or whatever and that can really shift your erotic interest in your erotic pleasure I think you probably would be able to say that it will make a lot of relationships last longer and be more Pap more healthier happier for sustainable resilient cuz you’re not getting bored and giving up and going you know stoic that’s great so do you have a key tell it tell me more about the center and how it how it runs and functions is it kind of like a drop-in center or do you have only certain events at certain times or how does the facility time work out we don’t actually have a physical location most of it exists inside my laptop and out of and that means we don’t have to pay for rent so that’s why we go to where we need to go so you know we have regular meetings happen in my house or one of the other board members houses we do have some events here and there are a lot of our fundraisers or just online to make it easier to reach as many people as possible and of course we’re trying to reach a broader audience than just Los Angeles so we Skype workshops we Skype things we’ve talked to classes in New York and classes in Idaho and you know all over the place so you know we do a lot of different things we also have an academic Journal that you’re positive sexuality it’s free it’s open access anyone is welcome to use it and read it and submit work to it and you know that’s been going we’re now in our third year of publication of that and that is hitting a worldwide audience some of the countries that are accessing this are it’s all over in Australia and in Belgium and in various parts of the UK and it’s hitting parts of Asia Japan so it’s really really great so we have a very wide reach and what we do we have approximately 50 to 60 volunteers who work with us we also have an internship program so we get college students who want internship credits or what the work experience and so they volunteer for a specific. Of time and work on specific projects for us at different times of the year we get most of our interns during the summer but we get interns year-round and we have in our volunteers so we have Educators we have people who are research Affiliates and who published research and use the center is one of their professional affiliations we have research assistants who helped them we do you work with events so we do some Outreach events I think on Wednesday we’re going to UCLA sextravaganza which is been happening for several years on UCLA’s campus that we usually set up a booth are we do that with other things around town we’ve also have members some of our volunteers go to conferences all over the world and represent us at different places and in different areas where they were very popular in Melbourne just found out from a friend who’s been living in Australia for past couple years so I can’t I guess we’ll have to go there at some point cool it’s a new cloud-based model it’s elegant and overhead in the neighborhood drama and that there’s a lot of reasons to transcend that six location and you can if you can be a mobile you know unit then you can just take your your your laptop and projector and some you know what your handouts or whatever you have in this b a and again because true using Skype and using other types of internet programs you know we can get into a classroom you know that might not be able to bring us there physically but we can still do it will set it up on our end and and just stream live stream wherever we need to be and and it’s very helpful to cuz we so we have volunteers I think are farthest away volunteer that we’ve had so far was in Trinidad so we can have volunteers from anywhere in the world who can work with us medication programs and so they help us Creator update or education resources in our reference materials and putting together things to help teachers facilitate this in their classes they might actually be one of our Educators we train people to go out to those classes and to give presentations to places we have research assistants to make come in with a certain amount of background knowledge and how to do academic research and some come in just wanted to learn it and so we trained them and they work with people who are doing research in various aspects of positive sexuality and so some of them get to co-author papers and some of them get to work on the ground floor of research happening and get to really get into what that is and have a voice and have an influence in what’s being done in the academic world and this is course then starts to affect policy when we’re putting scientific research in front of people and saying here this is what the says that’s not the correct or let them besides these aspects and that can be very very helpful we work with other organizations so and CSF the National Coalition for sexual freedom is one of our sort of co-working his nation’s the community academic Consortium for research on alternative sexualities we work with them as well yeah I’m getting chills yeah I’m getting chills cuz this is a lot more than I bargained for and actually seeking a lot of what you’re describing and to have yeah we hope we have a good bit of time last time feeling compelled to ask you a little bit about I guess hey if you’re into taboos right blowing them there is all I ever believed starting this week there’s going to be the biggest psychedelic science conference in the history of humanity happening in the Bay Area it’s put together by that multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and the there’s a lot of really important cutting-edge legal for the first time in decades studies happening all over the world with psilocybin you know I gave magic mushrooms and MDMA and Ayahuasca and marijuana and peyote and I will gain a number of other synthetic and natural organic you could say psychedelic compounds in a lot of it is at this point in this stage of the Renaissance of research it’s really about proving the safety the relative safety of different compounds getting the dosage to be sort of understood better at also having some really important clinical trials around ending ending addiction to harmful drugs ending cigarette addiction end-of-life anxiety sexual abuse and Trauma and PTSD from War veterans there’s all these different the demographics that are starting to have really groundbreaking results and they’re doing you know they’re putting in the millions of dollars to do the the research for all this and so I bring that up just to say that this is an interesting juncture for me because the a cultural cliche about sex drugs and rock and roll and you know the way that the culture of inebrians is starting to move a large part due to Raves and festivals it’s moving more towards entheogens than just Coke and heroin and meth and booze there’s more opportunities for people who are coming into their sexuality to have access to psychedelic experiences and so there’s the new Alchemy of innocent in these Generations between sex drugs and rock and roll and if it’s it’s it’s it’s a lot more sophisticated and advanced and and and just more diverse in many ways than it was in the 60s when it was you know Acid Rock and LSD and other birth of the the hippie movement in the 60s but I’m wondering if you have in your position they’re come across any any any people who are interested in in rigorous academic study of what this new sex and drugs and rock and roll Paradigm it is shaping up to become if there’s anyone interested in that that you know of he’s been there are definitely people who are starting who are doing research on these topics and very often the connection that ends up happening in the academic research is you know if we’re looking at the sex drugs and rock and roll that of course is going to look at the outcomes and too often I think the the outcome that gets stressed is okay so what’s the what’s the public health issue so is it possible or is it likely that people are might be transmitting STIs because they might be under the influence of something or maybe they can’t we do we have to worry about consent if someone is under the influence of something that then means that they cannot now consent to what happens at that point so what happens if everybody who’s involved have done that so where does that line get drawn so I think a lot of the issues that have come up in recent research has been either on public health topics around STI transmission or on consent topics recognizing that at least by law if someone is inebriated for example they can now no longer consent to sexual activity okay so what happens if everybody involved. That’s so interesting yet that’s exactly what I’ve been actually encountering and in just by life experiences it’s there’s there’s a lot of people now who were you can say you were having expanded Consciousness through empty agentic use meaning it’s kind of a nice way of saying psychedelic no drugs but but that’s an important consideration because just because you feel like you’re enlightened than that one with God doesn’t mean that you’re immune from being the perpetrator with that Enlightenment that you don’t think you have a potential for abuse and even if it’s not that sort of shady you know where that sort of Insidious there’s also just the issue you’re not in your body if you’re having an out-of-body ecstatic psychedelic experience how how do you get even if you can send it to the idea of something earlier in the evening that has to be held through somehow and if you lose the if you become somebody else or part of your higher self or whatever it could be theirs that’s some chicky territory for sure yeah so that’s I guess there’s you know that I’ve seen like at electronic dance music events you can call him Rave but that’s kind of more you know probably more accurate term these days cuz there’s within that whole world there’s different camps and it’s more no more more bride to just called electronic dance music these days but you know there is there’s sort of harm reduction education Outreach groups that put out one sheet kind of look like glass CD mailer cards you know about business matters and they have kind of a profile of what the different substances how did how to test and make sure that they’re real or are what you’re getting it like that there’s that whole harm reduction education Outreach approach that is kind of like what you’re talking about but it’s for the party scene in just for best and better practices around that but I could see that they’re being a sum interest group of people where they would want to see things the way you’re talking about it cuz I actually no way you’re framing it it it feels like there’s a lot more due diligence for people that want to be credible and respectable and using best practices to actually think with some of these analytical tools so I’m hoping you’ll be great if there was some overlap or or or Synergy with all this stuff I think more and more what is happening as we’re seeing the people who are actually involved in all of these different spaces you know the people were actually doing whatever it is we’re talking about having more influence on the research that’s being conducted so that it creates a more authentic overall experience and I think it adds a level of legitimacy to the research so rather than a researcher sort of from on high saying well I’m going to study this group and I think what they’re doing may not be safe and so we know the perspective that I’m going to come about with this is that well this is already inherently unsafe and now I’m going to show you why it’s in safe and I think more and more we have researchers who are in these communities who are in these faces or doing all of these things and you say you know maybe we need to do is talk to the people who were actually doing this and not talk to them with a preconceived notion of what’s going on or what they’re experiencing or what may be happening but go in just as a hey could give us some information to tell us about what’s happening and I think we’re seeing more of that so there has been research on for example like barebacking and there’s been research on sex workers experiences and there’s been research on sort of the the spiritual some of the spiritual Connections in the spiritual extremes that can be experienced through extreme SM activities light hookah coals and those kinds of things so we’re seeing more and more of that happening where people who are actually in these groups are part of the subcultures are also crossovers into the academic life and we’re just seeing an amazing amount of research that starting to Bubble to the surface and get a little bit of space. I think this research has been getting done for quite a while but it can be really hard to get it published because some of the academic Publishers don’t want to hear about it and I want you to my is any of these things so if they publish something on it they want to be really careful so with our journal and with some of the other journals out there we’ve been able to bridge. Cap and actually be able to show some I feel like more authentic stories well absolutely will now in this world have so many The Gatekeepers being dissolved by the power of the internet I feel like you know there’s a lot of bad journalism or untrained journalism so there’s got to be a lot of bad or untrained or Incredible or uncredible research but maybe it’s the methodology that can be what’s the word sort of feel like I could imagine what as you were speaking I was imagining will wouldn’t it be great to train the you know that like the anthropological participation observation ethnography kind of model but if you were to train if you were coming from that subculture and you wanted to sort of document your tribe and produce your own ethnography kind of amongst your friends kind of tabulate experiences and collect notes insured compare notes is there was you recommend any kind of Crash Course doing data collection for different types of research paper I’m doing ethnography in the field and sort of how that works and how you can sort of pull everything together there’s a really good little guidebooks you know a quick online search for for some of these guys are out there and ask her if she is amazing stuff I love doing a photography by the way I think it’s an incredible tool that doesn’t get use nearly enough and and it got a lot of researchers a colleague of mine she recently did a photographic ethnographic working with lgbtq Foster Youth and homeless Youth and kind of went out gave them all cameras and said take photographs of Your World of your life of who you are, and they did a whole art show you know like found a gallery in Downtown LA and just played everyone’s photographs and and you know really got people connected to them and seeing them as people who have life experiences and they’re not just sort of a category of disadvantaged kids so yeah I think there’s there’s an easy guide books out there just like a quick you can find some quick little things of how to do ethnography and how to do that and but I think a lot of that to starts with her own storytelling so things that you do and things that others do and and all the bloggers out there and everything of these are all forms of ethnography relay yeah that’s cool it’s just that it’s exciting and hopeful cuz I feel that I’m at a point where I’m doing kind of pseudo-scientific Rogue radical research that’s way too far out for any government agency or any academic institution to touch with a ten-foot pole so it’s it’s kind of on me and my colleagues and friends 2 do this sort of underground research but then hope that it it’s done in a way that it can be respectable or it can be legitimated later you know but it is probably good to do what you’re suggesting and actually have some some templates for collecting the data that mean okay here’s what would our experiment yielded and here’s the methodology in the procedure and you can test it on your own Hardy or lab or whatever replicate what you’ve done and so can you give enough information that would allow somebody else to replicate and get similar results in their own place or find totally different results which is also fascinating injured and interesting and yeah and I think that’s really I mean that’s science that is science Sciences pushing boundaries and science is you now let’s try a new thing and see what happens and science is telling a new story or New Perspective of a story and you know I think that that’s been lost over the past many years Society The Sciences inquiry science is asking questions and wondering why thing happens and how something happens and trying to figure that out and I think that we’ve sort of collectively as a larger society have sort of lost that Focus write the word crowdsourced crowd-source funding crowdsourced ideas and editing and an art I mean you were talking about that at that photo gallery exhibit and that’s a great example if you would call that a crowd-sourced ethnographic oh yeah photojournalism nice oh yeah that’s cool that’s that’s exciting time so I’m also wondering now do you have do you do you or your organization the Center provide any kind of consulting services or any kind of where you could be hired or you could be sort of commissioned to do research or to consult on Research I don’t know that we’re I don’t know that anybody is really hired to do research cuz wouldn’t it be fantastic if someone will pay for that but that doesn’t happen if we do get hired as consultants for a variety of things so either individuals within the organization or the collective organization May consult on certain projects or consult on like creative curriculum for a particular thing and we have individuals who are consulted on court cases and I’m legal issues so so there’s a lot of that we also get hired by professionals like to teach professional workshops on various topics so that happens as well because we’re a nonprofit although those things are often we you know ask for fee cuz usually the people who were asking for these services are people who can pay for it but what going out to the schools we’re going to colleges in touch or we have a student group asked us to come and do something with them or like what you know we go to somebody’s community of answer something we may ask for an honorarium but we’re going to do this stuff for free so we really depend on our donors and our contributors and the people who support us to kind of give us the funding that we need in order to do what we want to do and and to publishing and all the other stuff so our journals available for free most of our Outreach staff and education program is all for free so yeah a lot of what we do depends on donations as opposed to people actually hiring us officially to do something right on that sounds like a healthy well-rounded multi Revenue stream nonprofit you’re definitely fulfilling your mission in so many beautiful dimensions and I’m just really happy to know that we’ve connected to some really feel better about living in the world with you more offline 2 just to explore some of these Consulting opportunities that you have and see what we’re about and all of that stuff were completely volunteer so none of us are paid for what we do I don’t run a paycheck nobody wants a paycheck that’s completely volunteer and yeah we’re just we’re just trying to let you know we just try to bring it enough funds to keep going and to keep doing what we’re doing and to expand so we’re actually going to be expanding our face-to-face education program out to Chicago over the next few months so Craig can you do that that’s well thank you so much that’s great I feel like it’s it’s really refreshing to to hear that there are people out there who are so dedicated to the cause that it’s that you did not just going to slam the door in your face if you don’t write a check if you know the first five minutes if you’re not going to bill me for this podcast interview right now about an hour into it is do you have a sort of committee or task force or team or just even a person who is either because they are a trauma Survivor or because it’s just near and dear to their hearts whatever reason is there you do consent workshops in self-defense or rape and assault prevention and any any more of the or any any of the sort of preventative and treatment kind of education unpreparedness we do have programs around consent we don’t really specifically talk about self defense or or right prevention in the standard sense so we don’t really talk about here’s what you can do to prevent being raped we talked about here’s what you can do to not rape someone because really this is not on the victim this is on the perpetrator but we also talked about you know here’s other ways that you might think about your sexual self and your identity in the power dynamics that you may interact with and find consensual outlets for some of your interests and behaviors and the citiz and you know we talked about a wide range of those things so it would be great if the people who are doing the Rape Crisis counseling and who are just in the trenches of dealing with battered women and in and going in and and doing you know investigations to catch meant to prosecute the perpetrators of all ages if they were I would let it would be great if in it you know in a perfect world they were seeking you all to educate themselves on better prevention and better version or diversion from the criminal whole that the response like they’re coming as the First Responders two incidents that would have been prevented by a proper education on all sides right and we do have we do have information so some of our researchers and and because we have people who are social workers who have conducted research through us who have published on how to do how to have a sex positive approach to handling victims how to have a sex positive approach to handling offenders and that these approaches can really help reduce crime can reduce negative stigma can reduce it comes cool is that would that be on your website or at some if I if I can follow up with you later cool okay well alright I feel like it’s this is yes. A real blessing and I just want to thank you again for your time and generous sharing of great info so with that said do you want to give the website and any other maybe upcoming events or anything else you’d like to promote and the website is positive sexuality. Org journal and that’s Journal of positive sexuality. Org we have our anniversary party coming up this July so if you want to be invited and want to be a part of that anniversary party will be a fundraiser you can contact me at Emily Emily at positive sexuality. Org or you can go to our website and put in your email address and then you’re on our newsletter list and you’ll get information through our newsletter about our party and we’re hoping we’re putting together an academic conference for next year so look on our website check things out if you go to sex pause khan.com so s e x p o s c o n. Com there’s going to be updated information they’re probably starting in the next couple of weeks for our positive sexuality conference coming up in 2018 in Burbank all right that’s very exciting thank you again yeah that’s me alright thank you so much again and I will hopefully I’ll be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite sex if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. Com Thomas gay

Rearchitecting Sacred Space with Be Hive Founder Tamara Edwards TPP99

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In this episode I have the honor of speaking with the founder of my new favorite urban sacred wellness, lodging, and event space, the Be Hive in the heart of Hollywood. After attending several events at the space I felt compelled to share the important vision she’s been bringing to life. We learn about her personal journey into the wellness space, discuss the mechanics of social and sustainable business development and future visions for growth and expansion of the project.

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http://www.thebehive.us/

About Tamara:
Tamara grew up in a meditating household. Her father, an M.D and a practicing Ayurvedic physician, learned Transcendental Meditation (TM) from Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the 1970’s, which allowed Tamara to witness first-hand the transformational power of meditation from a very young age. Later, in her early 20’s, she established her own practice out of a desire to bring more grounding and authenticity to her life. This daily practice has deepened over the past 10 years through her studies with many practitioners around the globe, including a two month pilgrimage to India. Over two years ago she founded The BE Society in New York City, a nomadic meditation group which gathers in myriad locations, and she is currently building The BE Hive, an urban sanctuary Now, alongside her career as a film producer, Tamara travels internationally sharing meditation with private individuals, companies and even her film crews.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 99 I am interviewing Tamara Edwards and she’s the founder and creative director at the Beehive and she’s also meditation teacher and I’m really excited to have this conversation I have been deeply honored and blessed to participate in several beautiful events at the Beehive which she will be telling you all about and it’s probably one of the most heartwarming projects on the horizon I really feel that have all of the dimensions of paradigm-shifting in the right direction this is just a real gem nugget sort of node of every bit of another world I want to live in just fractally condensed into one space it’s like origami folding so many beautiful things together and I I just in the urban environment it’s just an absolute Oasis and really yeah some very interesting new business model aspects and just social entrepreneurship elements and a lot of great stuff that I want to help to replicate and extend into drive tension towards so yeah with that said tomorrow would you please tell us a bit about your background leading up to your roll there and then obviously I’m going to be thrilled to to hear you go into detail about just the story of this project which is amazing thank you been that was a really generous and sweet introduction and the nice reflection hello everybody I’m Tamara and I would say that I founded the Beehive the idea came to me I would say I don’t know for years ago or something like that my background was as a high fashion runway model and actress and in a world and that world that although I was doing well and too many it seems like a Wonderful Life there was something inside of me that knew I wasn’t fulfilling a potential but I had within and it was through the beginning of a meditation practice and yoga practice that I started to uncover my desires and dreams and also realize that I had a limited belief feeling that I had all these wonderful ideas but didn’t have the courage or belief that I could actually manifest them until a bit later on in life when I just in transformational where I can through medicine through my meditation practice I started listening to that kind of like in our small voice that had these like really kind of Big Ideas I’m sorry I was in New York about 4-5 years ago I’m producing independent feature films and I was very nomadic living in a thousand different departments like I would literally move every month and I miss one month somebody let me stay in there be no beautiful lost in SoHo is like Prince and Lafayette and my only the only thing I had to do in return to stay there was to do good work is in his words and the minute I got into the space I had this incredible Vision that was inspired from the space button like literally an hour this whole vision for what’s called The Beehive came through and it was it’s basically this vision of a place that you can step off the street in an Arbonne environment and drop into a sanctuary and they are received all the tools for expanding your Consciousness so whether it’s yoga meditation plant therapy you know food that cooking workshops there would be meditation stations in the space you know all these a podcast I envisioned like different kinds of neuroscientist and thought leaders coming in and I’m sitting in the window and having a podcast almost like Tiara back in the day but thanks for consciousness and to the whole Vision came through and then I didn’t really pay attention to it again I’d I picked the vision to the guy who owns the last but it didn’t work for that building and then I kind of forgot about it and then through various events synchronistic events I ended up in San Francisco one night a few years later and it’s in my best friend who lived in La happened to be there for one night and we got to talking and somehow this vision of the Beehive like came back to my memory and I shared it with him and he basically long story short was just like I have the space for you let’s do it you that this phase has more potential than what he was using it for an incubator for startups and he knew that there was something that I needed to be used for around house as he was getting really into Health himself in that time but then when I shared with him this Vision he was like that’s it that’s what I’ve been looking for a set of space so it within a couple months I moved back to LA to build it so I’m that was every two years in July that I moved back out here to build it so should the Beehive nobody listening probably knows what it is but The Beehive is a it’s basically essentially that Vision it’s an urban Sanctuary right in the heart of Hollywood and our building is the oldest building in Hollywood it was built in 1910 and it was the first hotel in Hollywood call The Covered Wagon hotel and it was sad some Sanchez been a brothel at one point and a bank in many many many iterations is Dennis Billings got like Rich incredible history I’m like we one time had this guy up the stairs and he’s like does Jenny Lee Roth still live here and we were like David Lee Roth girlfriend or wife live there like it’s got a lot of history that that’s kind I mean I basically cut out you know it many many parts of the story of us to give me an overview of where the vision came had a vision came here and then how we are in the space now awesome yet so do you want to kind of give us an audio tour of where what the I guess there’s more stuff unfolding just probably every day but it seems like I’m your yeah if you could if you could help people understand what the the experiences of entering the space and what like if I were just to walk in there at the street now and I’ll be greeted and you’d kind of just say hey this is what snow tonight there’s this or is it a day in the life of your hair so meaning you know doesn’t have round edges and in the center of where know is we actually have an outdoor atrium so the 17 rims kind of go around as though and and there’s at the moment 8 bedrooms that we are B&B out is two showers and two bathrooms men and women list all and then there is practitioner rooms so you can come in and get Wellness treatments and things like that and then there is Elijah remember we have all kinds of events so if you were coming if you were in the area or if you were coming from out of town you can book a bedroom on Airbnb if your local you can come by and you would you come up you can get around this treatment you said take a workshop we also have a retail store that we carry a lot of local artists no products and also I seen that we’re really focused on is plant therapy so we carry microdose’s of different Power sacred power plants like Ayahuasca San Pedro iboga and a legal form where they’re not psychoactive and resell like different forms of kava and different you know plant modalities some people might be coming into to come buy some products or take a look at our store some people you might come in for a treatment and then stay for a workshop on my workshops that sometimes out of microdosing or we have kava ceremony has their money as we have you know it guitar sound bath yoga all kinds of the Innovative stop cuz all the workshops I think this is Timmy was a novel Concept in in something that is so such a memorable and and notable kind of new dimension that that’s really I hadn’t it’s just genius and in this the idea of it being at 8 actually factually was a hotel and now it’s being sort of having a Renaissance as a place where you know theoretically random people who find it I don’t know how your advertising you know exactly but people are not only are you having just guessed two are attracted to a wellness in sort of experience like I am in kind of experience and they’re their there to just be in that vibration but then there also value-add it’s not just a continental breakfast tour the country in bands for almost to a decade-and-a-half and the abysmal state of dining after midnight you’ll die late late night dining throughout the country and you know any intended what’s the food that serves even the coffee that served in hotels it’s just it’s just antithetical to Wellness so I really have the contrast to be if I was to know if I was a traveler but whether it’s a book tour or a musician or you know a Healer yourself to be able to stay at a place like this and actually both participate in the event that you’re running in the communal areas and to actually render services and actually you know teacher workshop for facilitate or Jam have have a show you know what this is such a brilliant intersection and it was that part of your vision from the beginning and then you found the right space to be able to just what was the word it is called a mash-up right you can do mashed up these see the bedrooms from the beginning the space is a amazing like you need space to 7000 square feet so there’s a lot of room to work with so the veterans just it was like even more brilliant because there’s plenty of yoga meditation Studios were very clever you’re not that we don’t offer at the moment we are yoga meditation classes we’re not just a hotel obviously and then we’re also not just like a wellness clinic but we’re like the combination of all these things and you know the original version of Urban Oasis that you can step off the street like cities are kind of harsh environments so to be able to like use these concrete or in our case brick buildings and turn them into kind of soften them and make them into the sanctuary so that you can just like Hollywood intense so you can just get off of that street every person who comes to the door is like oh my God like they can just feel the energy shifts so as far as the original Vision I would say you know it’s it’s almost like he said that intention and you have the vision and then it’s like letting go of all of that completely and allowing what wants to be Birth come through and his face is really like we kind of just feel like stewards of the space is like really fine tuning with the space wants with the community wants around it but also like I said like I’m a major Nomads and I’ve traveled the world a lot and still have lots of desire to keep telling the world and I feel like one of the biggest things that happens for people when they travel is that they like lose all their healthy habits so hard because I try to stick this regiment and then I travel and I lose it or like you know whatever it is and so this one of The Inspirations was like to create this egg nourishing driving environment so that when you’re traveling you actually like return home like healthier than when you left for that and it’s cool like how people have come through because all we do is put it we could just put up a few rules and Airbnb of like no smoking no alcoholic no hanging out in the atrium after 10 like no unannounced guests overnight so it’s just like no one’s going to want to stay there who’s like not that bad so he’s really attracted like every person is coming through pretty much has been like super aligned and even if they weren’t that into Wellness like they’ve really appreciated you know being mad at the time that like some kind of cool sound bath is going on at the meeting I get open their eyes something they have any experience before that is the coolest thinks I’m just imagining that there’s a there’s like a commingling of folks who are there very intentionally to be a part of the the wellness activities in the trainings at 1. And then just people who show that looks cute I’ll go and you know and then they’re just filled with so much whatever they’re coming in from there they could have never encountered any of this stuff but then just threw a conversation completely transform the course of someone’s life but like not fix dent of like you know the vision of how often they would be but what’s happened inside a group of you know people will be renting different bedrooms at this at the same time who will happen to a line and they’ll end up like cooking breakfast together at ueno cooking dinner together and like sitting around the table and having meals together so that’s just kind of happened naturally to re kind of a dorm a dorm hostel kind of environment because I feel like also has a certain like energy to that word some nice hostels around the world but I don’t know I don’t want to feel like a hostile I wanted to feel more like if it’s going to feel like something I was wanting to feel more like a home than a hostile anyway I could see it just kind of you know maybe you’ll get lice and maybe they’ll be making of drug dealers nice toxic paints and fumes and people it’s it’s it’s not organic keetsa mattresses and organic sheets Vision that we we haven’t really so like basically we stopping open in July and it’s been kind of an experiment like how can how can we like what’s going to work with not like my I don’t have experience in starting a company might my investor does but this is been kind of like he’s kind of given us to me as I go away to start my company he just really believes in me and so this past year has been more of just like okay let’s just try stuff out and now we’ve really seen what works and what doesn’t and we’ve also attracted some really incredible people who know when I work with us cuz they like the vision so we’re bringing in a partner and right now we’re working on the expansion plan which will include really high designed Wellness treatment program so if you come you can come stay and do like a whole parasite cleanse which nobody does like you would going to have open gravity colonics looks like you really only find in places like why we’re going to have you know infrared sauna beds cryotherapy and will be designing his whole kind of programs where you come and you you do like several of these treatments together to Target specific health issues so we’re taking that the wellness treatments major level and then we’re also going to be developing a line of products but the go along with this and and then when I’m really excited about is is the the focus on eco-friendly and sustainability and so there’s a few Visions I’ve had one is the urban bee hives on the roof and solar panels and then creating that Central Atrium to be a vertical garden that we take food from and makes me have like a smoothie bar or something like that and really just increasing the quality of the treatment programs and also the workshops and really being like this Central International hubs of these kinds of things and I will take this model and we’re going to expand to a West Side location in LA and then two other specific cities and actually real areas that were choosing as well so that’s all coming up and we’re working on that plan this month and will hopefully be doing round 2 of Renovations in over the summer and probably reopen like what kind of want these these new initiatives in the fall well I mean it feels like that the benevolent alien Mothership has sent down these pots to kind of filled the solutions for us as feeble-minded polluted human sewage totally clueless I mean where did you come from is this great I’ve been to all the I’ve experienced all of these things that you’ve mentioned will not not some of the healing modalities per se but yeah I’ve done colonics and and I couldn’t spend the night if I felt like I needed to you know if that’s the coolest thing is you just like it it’s really the Wood Hospital maybe it’s it’s what hospital should be you know if not impatient and then instead of just the you know let me know so many unicorn and cold clinical environment Sturgis blasting Jerry Springer drama Madness poison hell out of TV sets and then there’s just toxic food and yeah that they would think that a more enlightened integrative experience would would happen somewhere and I feel definitely that of course just The Vibes but just also this some justice this very scalable very kind of modular adaptable model where yeah you can experiment and if something doesn’t work out you just put something different on the calendar the next month and you got the rooms too kind of shifted all around and so cool it’s it’s Healthcare is obviously an issue in our country and I’m not going to go into anything clitical at all but just it’s very obvious that preventive Health Care is really important but that’s the tag number one like we got to catch all this stuff before we even see symptoms of it so even if somebody’s Aiko I don’t I’m not sick like why do I need infrared sauna or something like that it’s like this keep this they’re doing the stuff now so that we can prevent you know this is preventive medicine on this always amazing alternative therapies are really powerful now and can help you know prevent so when our generation is 80 where we’re not all not always like in the homes meeting all sorts of treatments for like healthy and with our grandkids yeah well that’s so cool so how have your guests responded and what kind of feedback have you been getting from I guess you know across the Spectrum you know people who were kind of Wellness gurus or are they getting a big you know sort of hit of the significance of this model Community I would stay like this this really hasn’t there’s nothing like this yet so I think like we’re still pretty underground we haven’t done like an official launch and what was their only by why did Matthew know we’ve had some interviews and stuff like that doesn’t come naturally but I would say that you know what I what I love about this is that the other kind of leaders in this community of Wellness Weatherby place like Wanderlust are the Springs downtown like they don’t feel competition with us because we’re not any of them completely different we have we have a blend of all these different things in so they sell a lot of the people in the community are like oh wow this is still like we can collaborate like I don’t see you as a competitor which is really cool and I think that I’ve heard about other people doing cool stuff like in land like a lot of people are looking to build kind of like compounds and stuff like that which is cool and I I think that like if we can get you know as we get this working and this kind of Urban Oasis this is going to be kind of like the gateway to people’s like Rural Retreat and stuff like that there’s a lot of people aren’t ready to take Retreats I like go to Costa Rica for a month on some transformational Wellness programmer go drink medicine in Peru or they don’t even know what that is still so I feel like these Urban this Urban kind of Oasis is going to be like the Gateway take the gateway drug so I feel like that the people who have come through so far I really into it very excited to see everyone wants to be involved how they can and you know it’s cool it’s still scratch we’re still welcoming people’s feedback and idea and trying to make it and I said collaborative community what’s the word Nike present to the to LA right I guess it’s the only gift I guess a few things that I’m I’m just drifting into my Consciousness as I’m kind of projecting myself into the space and imagining what would some ideas that seem like they can be facilitated there if you I guess so if you have all if you were at maximum capacity would that be a lot to put of people’s private you know foodstuffs to be putting in the fridge or how do you sort out at Preston really interesting this we only have two showers we have eight rent but we’ve had six rooms really seven including Tiffany who kind of like runs of space and lives there and so at times I could be up to 15 people there and there has never once been accused for the shower most people are like they’re really surprised because they actually don’t really see other people a lot it’s like the spaces massive so like is somehow it just his explode perfectly where there’s never liked complaints about shower lines or even Messi’s showers or nothing like that and it with the fridge what we’ve done is we’ve like labeled every room is labeled after flower and herb that bees love eventually going to paint the flowers and make a really dope art on the doors but we haven’t gotten there yet but for now we like have a label maker and then we we labeled the shells in the fridge and in the cabinets like for dry food storage the name of the room so who’s ever staying just puts their food on that on the part of the shelf that has the name of the room on it and then there’s like a rule that like you know whatever if anything’s in his fridge longer than 3 days you know like food to go at least likely clean the fridge out every Sunday so it’s like you better write your name on what it is and the date so that it’s not throwing out so things just kind of like they seem to flow it’s strange I would think that they would have been some kind of backup at least with the shower line but yeah this is exemplary of the concept that you’re angry and the Beehive concept everything is can be just chaos but it’s so organized at a meta-level you just you don’t even know what the patterns are that are forming to facilitate his flow it’s okay go to put like a GoPro like out like a bee in the hallways in like see how like people move within the hive like bees well yeah mean are you what’s your relationship with permaculture design is that something you’ve encountered or steady tour in Peru and that’s like they invented permaculture right every society that lived on earth before industrial agriculture was a permanent kosher soap and then the permaculture system is just kind of a sampling a salad bar of what worked in every climate so yeah absolutely if it if it’s survive the test of time and it didn’t involve enslaving animals are machines in an unsustainable way then it’s part of the package yet so super I mean that’s kind of what I was talking about with the atrium was like how can we look at vertical garden vertical garden that you spam and we even have like a back patio that we could do some kind of cool Garden on and we are going to start a compost and collected with our Corner in Hollywood cuz we have groundworks below us a nice word organic and sweat Theory and we all have you know that we can compost for this is not really set up for that and highlights were talking with the farm cuz we have the Green Market you know the Farmers Market on Sunday is right there so we’re talkin there was any local farmers about them taking our compost and setting up the bins up on our roof definitely includes permaculture yeah and education with that there’s a really cool group called kiss the ground there a local Venice they start in Venice they’re really dedicated to education and life getting our soil good again for lack of better words and so actually intention is to reach out to them and see how we could collaborate yeah I would if you if you were to invite permaculture you know community members to do workshops and lectures are you in up with the free design I’m sure it mean if the yeah cuz if that’s the way that the and you know permaculture design system your pretty much trained to put on this kind of you know like augmented reality goggles on everything so you can’t not you can’t help yourself but designed everything to its maximum you know productive potential through Design Systems so a lot of places they’ll be like yeah we know we want to have some installment of some system and it could actually be paid for by the students who want to learn how to in how to have a system works and you have a you know what designer who is proficient in that element of a system and then the the students end up paying for the materials paying the instructor and giving you a free system and all those people then become you know a part of the your tribe you know so very interesting way of getting things done like work parties and staying so definitely am yeah I say I know it you know it it seems it seems like there’s you know you’re limited by the space I know you don’t feel Limited in in the capacity already seeing and developing beyond that that scope but he had me worried if you were doing sprouting and you had seeds and you know obviously composting and just you know all kinds of herbs that just grow like mad in this climate you know we could totally be she said pumping out a lot of them goodness on the ecological level yeah it’s cool so do you want to talk a bit about you or I guess I’m going to take us more about the ongoing vision for how they can how you want to interconnect these nodes in and just sort of like would there be sort of a membership or subscription plan where you could be you no have the access badge or a card or something so we’re still working out the details of that but we are thinking membership and one thing I didn’t mention was what the Beehive Vision was born from was something that I started about five years ago called The V Society b e antibody Society was his nomadic meditation group them at the same time in a different location each week and it spread to four cities New York London San Francisco and La I started a New York and the purpose of it was too you know build community into the kind of bridge a lot of the community was an art so kind of bridge meditation in the Arts and and things like that so The Bee Society was kind of the foundation of of the audience that we’ve kind of built The Hive on and it was the hot The Beehive was born that Vision was born from the Beast Society so one of the thoughts is coming up with some kind of membership system almost like a Soho House for wellness of some sort but when but it will tie into the V Society in some way and we’re still we’re still working on finding out with that exactly looks like but there will be some different kinds of options whether you could just drop in for the day or whether you have some kind of membership that gives you a discount on the rooms and treatments and things like that and also that kind of ties you into the beehives that will be you know and other locations and also like-minded communities that exist we can tie in with them as well have you thought about I was just thinking that if you’re if you have the the more intensive Wellness programs there you know I’m wondering if you would if you could have a sort of a and take her to take it to a level where you have like a nurse practitioner or someone on staff who’s able to just provide another layer of those more having the different levels of practitioners for sure don’t be so cool because I have certain level you know I mean could you add me I could just imagine that what you’re doing actually with with if it was studied by sociologists and medical researchers and just and they could all be interns they could all be just college-entrance who are doing thesis projects or whatever but I mean imagine if this model revolutionized old folks homes could you imagine that really beautiful idea I mean I guess the challenge of those places is that those people a lot of the people in those homes I don’t know if you’re talking about the ones who are like who already have disease and lung cancer stuff like that are you talking about the ones that are kind of in a nursing home before they really sick or it could be it could be everything you know along is Spectrum a matter of now it’s looking at like getting insurance to cover these kinds of treatments which at the moment they don’t sell for a lot of those people in homes you know I’m not sure what their financial situation is but I think that it’s going to get there I think that eventually colonics and infrared saunas in yoga and meditation will all be covered under insurance I think it’s only a matter of time yeah I agree we’ll hopefully you know what you’re doing there will just be part of that data collection for the studies that happen in the palace do is just if there’s not funding for it to be approvable by the powers-that-be and the FDA and this you know are all that stuff you know it’s just the all the different acronyms for the medical association’s in them in all that stuff it’s got to be it’s not that I mean there’s obviously the bad guys who were you know repressing but we’re not going to go to back to the politics units turn it off the name that they kept the corporations or the politicians but just that luckily we’re in a time where we can you can get away with it it’s just a matter of can you do it for long enough and on a scale that it’s actually you can publish scientific reports about it and have it be considered valid research and then you know so this is great and I’m just yeah yeah yeah I’m definitely so I’m bored and I’m excited to continue to stay on board and and check out more events we think so how can people help you at this point what what are some things that your pain points of you needing a different you know I mean should people be sending you applications for things how do people volunteer or somehow about especially you know entering to want to see how our company is built in the sea level like this is a great time again in and see you know the nitty-gritty of how to build a company from the very ground bottom-up and a very Innovative company so interns we’re always looking for volunteers for to help out with the workshops and stuff is always great and what we do normally do is betrayed so somebody comes and helps out with the workshop then you can take a worse type of their choice for free which is you know pretty a good value and then other ways people can help us by spreading the word really like one is where you know we have these rooms are at the moment that practitioners can rent in work out of so if there’s any Wellness practitioners out there who are looking for a space to work out of we’ve got that and then you know if a man is always helpful in the city and I guess and guess at this moment is that come in and check out what we’re doing if you like it I’ll spread the word and and then if anybody out there is interested in Encino learning we have a couple of spots left open for interns and we can always use more volunteers did you have a a process for people who want to sign up to teach or they want to apply to be able to do a works up there or so at the Beehive. Us so-and-so at the beehive bees in a beehive. Us cool and do you have any are you scouting locations for the Westside already one to really look for places I feel like we put the word out and we’ll see if somebody will hear something but we’re thinking like Pacific Palisades area is Santa Monica Mountains like somewhere on Rock I’m not like Venice cir you know I’m not down in sea level but more under a rock somewhere so if anybody out there ever hears of a space what we’ve love is a place with some land on it to that we could and a place that died cuz right now to beehive the our main event space Can Only Hold about like 50 people sitting down so we’d like the West Coast the West Side location to have something that could hold more like a hundred fifty people so you know we can do a large events in the Westside in the smaller events in Hollywood something like that and maybe some land so we can do more work experimentation with permaculture and you know some outdoor like yours and stuff like that the people that stay in right on what is your intention to find a place that has a similar established kind of setup with the with a number of rooms like that or you would you be visioneering having just even a blank slate where you could just totally design the entire infrastructure to be I mean the permaculture architecture is all about replicating you know amazing architectural setup that is like a hive is completely functional and integrative ecologically and socially and and all of the logistics of of the business unit workflow being facilitated by that harmonious design I mean is that something you thought about you are you wanting an existing structure that can be adapted into this are you thinking of you could probably get you know what it takes to build from the ground up with natural buildings in and what not psych what you know right now we’re open I don’t have a clear vision of what it’s going to look like so I’m kind of open and listening for signs and signals of which direction to go so you know we kind of have the basic of it would you know we’re also open to it being a plate like at the Hollywood location has the last word organic can sweat. Groundworks underneath which is great door opens at finding a place that has kind of like an infrastructure already around it but we’re also really open to finding a blank slate in creating a lot of those things ourselves so answer your question we’re open we’re just we’re just looking in tuning in so what was going to come up that is so cool you know it’s an interesting thing I’ll just put this out there cuz I was having this conversation recently which was that you know a lot of what permaculturist want to do is in violation of a number of zoning laws and so to find the sweet spot where you can actually do a lot of what people want to do which is not single family homes on a bird trying to destroy the nucleus you know deep my colleagues in the more radical permaculture scene we want to actually make social infrastructure that’s conducive to do open relationships to communal child care to food growing into you know having one appliance that serves 50 people and not you know two people and you know too and that whatever the the the consumer Society is driven by every nuclear family owning one of each thing that you know 30 feet away in the next neighbor’s garage there’s a bunch of unused tools and a bunch of unused everything where they could be sharing and you know that’s that’s just the sort of conundrum of sustainable minded hive-minded Folks at one kind of collective eyes on all levels and then there’s just not the right Zoning for in 1 and 1/2 things are friends a reason is like we’re actually seems like we’re starting to look at a trailer parks zoning you know if if is zoning ffifa zoning designation or whatever the word is a Zone you know says that you could build a trailer park then that probably would be the model for having multi you know units dwellings and you know so that’s it’s hard because you probably not going to well actually it may be that I think there is one there’s one in Topanga have you been up to things seem like it could be a fine you could find a home in that possible I was you know I love Topanga so much so I’m not close to it but I do feel like somewhere more like Palisades to Santa Monica Mountains would be more convenient for like Venice Santa Monica Peeps and Topanga peeps like they could meet in the middle maybe near the Palisades but but you know if this miraculous like amazing thing comes up into pain. That’s like can’t turn down so we would just have to do it right on yeah well this is really exciting because I think you know you probably been have you heard I guess I’ll ask you a question have you heard a lot of people kind of lamenting that the Airbnb kind of bubble was that it seemed it seemed I mean I don’t know all the numbers but it seems like it it was such an attractive way to facilitate more revenue for people in their homes and what not but then it’s been cracked down on in certain ways and it’s not you know it’s kind of got a cap to it but you’re sort of circumventing that by Design and it’s amazing you know to what you’re doing if you if you felt like you had you know people see that this is like to Airbnb 2.0 I guess is what I feel about it I want it we had some people they like heard about us actually I said I think he’s heard of us and I think one of the one of the people who works there when the Sounders was going to come stay and Hollywood one check it out LOL yeah like new Airbnb section for them you know like an Airbnb like you can only listings by room so like our place is listed as separate rooms it’s not so people traveling during the holidays we were actually pretty slow during the holidays but I think people didn’t understand that they could like come and stay together you know cuz I know how it is you travel with friends or family and it looks like all you can only booked one room it didn’t look like you could book multiple rooms and stay together so they need new it like algorithm or whatever it whatever it is on airbnb’s it so hopefully we will start that with them that’s truly exciting that that really feels like the metamorphosis of the old proprietary structure means just like this is like the Uber of yeah I mean everything is just moving in that direction so I am just thrilled and the fact that you’re going to be in a growing in in relief to just having proved the concept you know now you can just build build out or you know renovator whatever it takes but yeah metamorphosize and you know just make beautiful new experiences for people of Yahweh I think we’ve covered quite a bit I think that’s a good a good kind of promo to whoever is listening to this there’s people all over the world so please next time you’re in La come and visit make it a Mecca pilgrimage to this Mecca of the new Wellness Paradigm integrative all these different modalities in also impart your gifts in you know I have this sort of secret slumber party experience much better thanks for all your support and Chase everyone listening to promote or anything coming up that stands out or just have people sign up for the newsletter and the Beehive. 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Anarcho-Punk, Psychedelics, and Survivalism with Laughing Coyote TPP98

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This episode contains an interview with one of my anarcho-punk brothers from back in the day. We recorded this conversation over 6 years ago yet it remains a compelling primer on the evolution of radical ecological movements and the their dynamics within the punk underground.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 98 this is a blast from the past a recording I did with a dear friend of mine from the anarcho punk movement this was back in 2011 and 2012 was so big on my mind and it was a catalyst for a lot of Rapid transformation and I think we’re just beginning to see some of the changes that people were preparing for it that time so it’s kind of a time capsule looking at where I was coming from and it was a beautiful opportunity for me to catch up with an old friend with deeper roots in the movement of a knuckle Punk and Eco activism and psychedelic Shamanism and anarcho-primitivism green Anarchy and much more so I think it’s a great primer on the movements that I really feel like I’ve been most affected by and in the most aligned with and yeah I hope you enjoy it thank you so much no mistake I’m here today with a very dear and old friend and comrade at laughing coyote and the I will ask you introduce yourself tell us a little bit about how you personally evolved into a punk rock culture and anti-thyroid tarianism and where and when and how the environmental and ecological movement in Consciousness started to emerge with that path yeah I guess you were asking me earlier about how I got involved in the anarcho punk subculture and how I begin when in my life I begin identifying as an anti fart Aryan and I would say for me I mean it goes back to my first conscious memories Witcher you know maybe kindergarten around that. Of my life from a very early age before I even possess the vocabulary to articulate my views on external Authority and the attempts of those around me particularly adults to control me I had an instinctive aversion to being controlled and I definitely was with a we’re on a intuitive level that there was an indoctrination and socialization process going on around me one of my earliest memories is being forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance in kindergarten being introduced to that brainwashing ritual for the first time and realizing you know seeing seen the psychological mechanics at work and I went to to be grasping that immediately I I knew that by forcing us to repeat this his oath day after day that there was a process of brainwashing occurring I just didn’t have the vocabulary possess the vocabulary at the time to to explain that to anyone else but I was aware of what was happening and I was mentally guarded against it once I learned to read and write the once I crack the code of language I was probably 7 or 8 at that point I realized at that point that I the public school system of you know that was holding me prisoner at the time was standing in the way of my education and that once I had gained the gift of literacy I I I was quite prepared to just take it from there and strike out of my own I realized I didn’t really have a I have a need for this standardized State curriculum and I resented you know this state finance housing facility that I was confined in 5 days a week so I I definitely was looking for ways to rebell and to escape but at a young age it was hard for me to articulate what I saw going on around me and I didn’t feel like I had a lot of allies and I didn’t really understand the on the limits are the extent of my own personal strength and ability to alter my situation so yeah I begin exhibiting rebellious antisocial anti-authoritarian Tendencies at a young age tried my best to get thrown out of school I am putting on my my real political Awakening I was kind of a Rebel Without a Cause you know up until about age 10 or 11 and one of the ways in which I rebelled against the end of it the Stipe stifling conformis environment that I was being Riordan was through drug use and by the time I was ten I was already smoking marijuana but in a way that actually led to my political radicalization because I grew up outside the New York City area and couple times a year New York City radicals would hold events in Central Park that they called Smoke in where thousands of people would show up in a five to ten thousand people and they would open we light up in smoke marijuana in defiance of the authorities in defiance of the police and nobody got arrested because in that case there there were just too many of us so I’ve been hearing about the smoke ends when I was about 12 and that started drawing me into Manhattan more regularly and it was that one of these smokins that I encountered my first and largest newspaper was called overthrow and it was put out by some former hippies who still maintained an office On Bleecker Street in Greenwich Village former Associates Abbie Hoffman who unlike Jerry Rubin and some of the other sell out to their generation they they stayed true to the game and a they were definitely anarchists leaning and their paper overthrow was certainly an artist and I started getting their offices On Bleecker Street and that was kind of my introduction to anarchism actually before I even discovered Punk so that prepared me mentally for my waiter Discovery upon which came when I was about 14 15 I mean I’ve been exposed to the anarchist Punk didn’t come it’s wet come my way until life’s about 14 or 15 when I start getting supposed to crass and all that various fans that are part of the crass family musical tree so did you start he started collecting records and going to shows and Koenig that typical process of of starting to hang out and and and kind of clicks of like-minded punk friends and video did you go a lot of punch go through a the politicization process that starts out with a very that service Street Punk you know fuck the world kind of kind of politically vacuous rebellious approach and then overtime get exposed to stuff that’s more heartfelt and compassionate and thoughtful but you had already been seated with anarchists in Revolutionary and you know social justice Liberation type Consciousness and then some music that Express that is well through anarcho-punk where did you go from there in terms of the scenes you get kind of plugged in into that world into that infrastructure and kind or are we kind of peripheral to it and you’re just always a fan and where did your life kind of go from that did it have did did the discovery of article Punk take me Lily guide to Direction your life or was it kind of background to other things or how did you how did you integrate it in were you directed by at that point wake me up in a small working class town in New Jersey about 20 minutes south of Manhattan and yet still quasi-war rural so we had a river that ran through our town called the musconetcong and I had access to forests you know within 20 minutes of where I lived in the opposite direction to Manhattan so there wasn’t any Punk scene to speak of where I was growing up I was definitely in the minority as far as my musical tastes went and the most rebellious elements amongst my peer group were metalheads and that’s pretty much why hang out hung out with they could be they could definitely be counted on to engage in a Mindless acts of vandalism and I could count on them in a lot of ways I mean they were we’re always enthusiastic about coming out spray painting tagging we pacing but that was what I was left to work with and my exposure to the punk scene involve going into Manhattan and that’s definitely where I began where I would have to go to acquire the music I was developing strong passionate interest in I was always you know I never went through like an anti nowhere we kind of phase was never a gbh type spikes in leather punk I mean I always gravitated towards the more intelligent punk bands and I was fortunate that that sweat started coming into my life anyway and what I was initially drawn to I’m with a lot of those fans with in particular the British anarcho-punk movement was I think a lot of people who don’t have any R4 Punk don’t have any work for the music and therefore of never investigated the The Counter Culture itself because of the aversion that they have to the music I think what they fail to realize is that there was a spiritual dimension to the scene especially in the early to mid 80s and I think there was a spiritual vision that was being expressed you know through the anarchist Punk movement through those those bands what they were what they were channeling and what they were expressing it had a profound impact on my life and my world view and for 15 years or more I didn’t listen to I virtually didn’t listen to any other type of music is there was nothing I encounter that was was more powerful our had a more powerful effect on me that resonated is deeply with me in the core core of my being political radicalization came through a lot of those pants Christ even even early Chumbawamba. certainly all the cracks in Mortar hate bands and bands like antisec in particular I mean that was my my exposure to animal rights animal Liberation the critique of species is on veganism which is something I embrace that a young age end incorporated into my wife for 17 years so you got those that scene had a profound effect on me but I was always because I didn’t have a larger seen that I could conveniently connect with I was always on the periphery of it and remain somewhat a lunar connected but still doing my own thing and then and it was good that I was able to maintain my distance like that because from that vantage point I was also able to observe the Conformity that was present even in the punk counterculture and a lot of the role-playing and a you know just the conformist attention to wearing the right costume and I never got sucked into that aspect of things and was actually able to maintain a detached critique of it so when in the you were getting exposed to the anarcho punk bands to an array of different social environmental and socio-economic issues and causes and movements what led you to an emphasis on environmental the environmental movement several things that were carrying that were several influences at work in my life simultaneously and definitely bands like avoid some of the early releases were instilling a strong environmental awareness and me and from there I wanted to learn more and so I began seeking out Publications like the Earth First journal on I think the single most profound influence on me during that period of my life though when I was wanting to understand my relationship with the Earth better and when I was developing a critique of urban culture was discovering the anarcho primitivism journal Fifth Estate which was coming out of Detroit during that. Of time actually from the early seventies to the early 90s that came out of the Troy and I got exposed to in about 1986 and a critique of civilization that was being formulated in fit the state during that. Of time just really blew my mind and really resonated with me and that’s when I started getting exposed to an Arco permabase writers like John’s there is an Fredy Perlman and during that. Of time every issue fit the state was crammed with investigative and bibliographical weeds tons of interesting authors and anthropologists were being cited regularly and fit the state so that gave me a lot of investigative leads to work with and I began seeking out a lot of these books and kind of immersing myself in that body of literature which I refer to as the anti-civilization critique starting with Lewis Mumford who was I’m addressing some of these issues in the 1920s and on up to the the wave of anarcho-primitivism explicitly anarchists critics of civilization that started making themselves known in the early seventies see you had established the conceptual framework to reorient yourself towards a more intimate connection with the Earth send to evaluate things like where food and water comes from in an urban culture and where we tradition or how and where we traditionally in in more Primal states of being were in balancing in Whitmore and bouncing different ways and then obviously through the Earth First Journal you’re getting exposed to the current events and issues in campaigns and whatnot did you joining the environmental movement did you was there a lot going on a lot of community that you found on the East Coast or was it coming to the West Coast where you found more of the I guess maybe we should get into just a relationship with hippie culture in a relationship with the environmental movement in the underground is just part of the the Riff Raff the overall Riff Raff you know in end of the circuits of different events like the rainbow gathering his stuff how that experience the social experience of of things in addition to the you know that the book experience in the literature experience kind of help formulate that that well before I moved to Oregon when I was 16 my understanding of what an old growth forest was was purely conceptual I was reading about it I was reading about in the Earth First Journal about the early tree sets early incidence of tree spiking but all of his stuff was occurring in the Western United States which was which is something you know I could vaguely imagine in my mind but I had no direct experience with it I’d never gone any further than a any further west than Ohio so when I move to Oregon that’s when a lot of things begin falling into place for me in my life you know intellectually and spiritually a lot of connections were instantaneously made I spent my first month in Oregon doing nothing but hiking around the Columbia River Gorge experiencing old-growth for the first time waterfalls a web of wildness that I didn’t think even existed on planet Earth anymore excited I never had anything to compare it to Savannah and the importance of the work that are the first was doing became even more apparent to me and it became much clearer what was at stake and why people were putting their lives on the line so I began exploring some of the areas that I was reading about in the Earth First Journal areas that were on the chopping block to be to be cut to be converted into clear-cut some areas that if our service and the Bureau of Land Management had designs on the earth first Journal was at least trying to draw attention to these areas and I happen to move to one of the hot spots the Pacific Northwest so this was occurring all around me so that that really helped me understand on a primal visceral level what was at stake and it stopped being like a purely intellectual fair to me at the point and just as a as a biological being I started to a to understand the the the assault that was occurring on the Web of Life how about yeah I had a definitely a similar transformative experience first getting involved with that resets and getting out there and seeing you know the Deep all girls that live the real like temperate rainforest FernGully experience and that seems to get right into people’s hearts very deeply very quickly and I totally relate to that so I and you have a unique experience that I definitely want people to learn about and hear about having frequent in the rainbow gathering and it’s I think it’s kind of like the the original working class Burning Man or Poor Man’s Poor Man’s Burning Man or something like that I guess I don’t know how the two were late you know in terms of how they cross-pollinated influence each other but I think a lot of people who see Burning Man as a cost-prohibitive Endeavor aren’t aware that the rainbow gatherings is and you told me some fascinating and wonderful things about that so maybe if you can talk about your that as an influence and is an experience and also stepping back from that just your encountering repair your encounters with and your integration of the hippie culture proper because I think what would my right as a punk my path went through that cycle of content just in your face or belly is anarchy you know kind of stuff to getting more refined and more sort of philosophical and theoretical about power relationships in class and class Warfare and stuff and then it was later that I got into environmentalism the environmental movement in and then specifically like for me it was more the crust anarcho-punk in amcrest was kind of the synthesis of the esthetic aesthetically it was at the synthesis of like Punk attire hippie dreadlocks in hemp jewelry in tribal type tattoos and tribal Trinkets and adornments and what not and even things like Patchouli and stuff like that so there’s a thin metal and then that the black you know that the black clothing and skulls and kind of the darker more evil aesthetic of metal and then the put the Consciousness in the energy in the spirit of of punk which may have been a kind of punk where was just you know people that whatever like not even dressed up but just the spirit and it didn’t matter what the law says not necessarily like bondage belts in Liberty spikes and stuff like that although there’s the memes are kind of intermix here and there but it’s definitely very apparent that hippie influence on you know just to everything from natural living and wellness and you know that that a lot of stuff getting aggravated so I’m curious you you have you no more of a more background experience probably directly encountering and integrating what I think it’s easy to makeover generalizations about anything that you are you have no personal experience with her that you’re critiquing from from afar it’s easy to stereotype Punk culture until you immerse yourself and develop some appreciation for how diverse it actually is I mean with with in the punk movement I mean how many schools of thought of and currents and sub currents have I have developed within you to the larger category a punk I mean everything from from straightedge to queercore to cross to pop punk ad infinitum you wouldn’t know that unless you would really involved yourself in it and then able to understand the nuances and the diversity that actually exist within the punk subculture I believe the hippie counterculture it’s been my experience that it’s every bit as diverse I mean you can stereotype all hippies as deadheads who like to wear tie dyes and who are worthless Stoners who snowboarding Stoners whose life revolves around glass pipes but I mean that’s that’s just one small aspect the hippie culture yeah they’re they’re just as the drunk punx are there in the glue to glue sniffing paw the gutter punks in the exploited Punk’s I mean yeah there’s plenty of things about the hippie counterculture a better disgraceful and embarrassing but I’m doesn’t entire Spectrum it runs the gamut and at its core the hippie movement was and is a DIY movement I mean it’s kind of a precursor to punk and you know that’s obvious if you know anything about the history of crass and you understand that with the exception of Steve ignorant every other member crass came out of the London hippie movement of the late 60s they were older hippies who recognized the Revolutionary potential of punk when it came along and also the artistic potential of it which I think they also took full advantage of but more than it I mean crafts more than any other anarchists projects of the late 20th century I mean they were almost single-handedly responsible for resurrecting anarchism as an international movement and it’s important to remember that was a bunch of hippies who did that so I think it’s it’s important to try to stay broad-minded and to think for yourself another thing about the hippie counterculture the 60s it’s important to look at what they were reacting against they be they were reacting against a mechanized society and increasingly mechanized Society and some of the ways some of the things that they pioneered are things that I benefited from later on as an anarcho punk I’m the fact that there were health food stores for me to plug into and take advantage of that I that stores existed where I could purchase tofu where I could acquire soy milk and all these new products at 7 we became important to me I have two hippies the back for that the fact that I could find organic food pretty easily here on the West Coast in the whole organic movement organic agriculture was something that was pioneered or at least Revitalize than significantly strengthened by by the hippies the back to the land movement of the early seventies the late sixties and early seventies but definitely in the 70s is when it began to occur when a lot of people realize that the values that they were fighting for where we’re real they were important they were values that they had internalized and wanted to live by but the revolution that so many people were counting on a hurting in the 60s wasn’t going to a car so I think a lot of it quote unquote hippies at that point decided that the best course of action available to them was to get out of the Cities get out of Babylon as as they call it and get back to the land to individually and in a small group secede from the system and so I also had that 2 to take advantage of the fact that you know where I was living in the Pacific Northwest there there was still plenty of functioning communes that were were established in the early 70s that I was able to visit learn from stay out for extended periods of time I mean that’s that’s where I begin to learn to grow food myself was a practicing on some of these communes that had Farms that had functioning Farms that you know provided 70% of the food that the people living there eight I had I have tremendous respect for that wing of the hippie movement people need to realize too that there has been an underground psychedelic movement that has existed at least since the time Albert Hoffman for synthesized LSD and it’s been it’s been underground Adam definitely reach the certain Peak or Apex in the late 60s the mid-to-late 60s but as the state became more repressive and totalitarian towards the use of psychedelic medicines the movement just went deeper underground and that’s that’s one of the that’s something else I think we we have to thank the real hippies for is that one at one of their roles in the grand scheme of things as I see it is that they keep these medicines and circulation and these medicines allow people to reconnect with the Earth and what I would call the guy in mind on a really deep non-intellectual Primal level in a life-altering way will you see things and learn lessons that will stick with you that will alter your perception reality permanently for the better that’s one of the things that I think hippies of really done for the counterculture and that’s one of the functions I think rainbow gathering serve that a lot of people don’t realize that they’ve never been to one I mean they are essentially group psychedelic ceremonies you’re not required to take psychedelics but there’s those medicines are being used and they’re being used by a lot of people and you’re participating whether you’re ingesting those medicines or not and I think that was one of the strategies that that people adopted I mean the first rainbow gathering was 1974 and I think at that point you know that the hardcore hippies who weren’t turning back who would who would dropped out fully and completely in their mind spiritually there was no turning back for them they realize that to keep their culture alive and they needed to continually recruit and the rainbow gatherings have served that purpose I mean thousands of people stumble upon the national rainbow gathering every year and are never the same again I’m glad you brought that up I kind of tell people now anybody who’s watched the movie Avatar and enjoyed it is paying homage to Ayahuasca and Amazonian psychedelic Shamanism because the Tree of Souls is based on the vine of Souls which is the translation of Ayahuasca and I heard from Daniel pinchbeck that it didn’t put should come as no surprise that James Cameron had had the a by waska ceremonial traditional Ayahuasca experience before writing that so it’s definitely flows that all of the translucent fluorescent alien otherworldly life-forms depicted and and and all of that come from the tryptamine experience if you will end yeah it’s been Terence McKenna said it one point I don’t know how they keep a lid on this stuff so it’s definitely that function in that role and you know I like I can now there are you know that Santo dime a legal precedent Clinton pass the Religious Freedom revitalization Act or something to that something to that effect and Terence McKenna assist talked about you know I don’t know if you said at one point in the lecture I don’t know if you’ve noticed this but the system is not going out it’s not handing out rights to people not handing out civil rights it’s not handing you know it’s not handing out to the for the oppressed and minority or minority populations who have who feel that their human rights are not being respected to say the least for psychedelic Society to to emerge and take hold it it would have to be there have to be a second telegram pollution and if anything is like the precursor to that it’s it’s sort of veiled but I mean even in in Lord of the Rings there’s references to the halflings leaf and you know there’s all these pop culture references to do his medicine is and I think that you know with the maps that the big an organization that’s trying to get clinical studies done with MDMA and all that stuff in there psilocybin studies being done it’s it’s not going to be a taboo thing it’s it’s it’s coming dancing to the volunteer for specific. Of time and work on specific projects for us at different times of the year we get most of our interns during the summer but we get interns year-round and we have in our volunteers so we have Educators we have people who are research Affiliates and who published research and use the center is one of their professional affiliations we have research assistants who helped them we do work with events so we do some Outreach events I think on Wednesday we’re going to UCLA sextravaganza which is been happening for several years on UCLA’s campus that we usually set up a booth are we do that with other things around town we’ve also have members some of our volunteers go to conferences all over the world and represent us at different places and in different areas apparently were very popular in Melbourne just found out from a friend who’s been living in Australia for the past couple years I can’t I guess we’ll have to go there at some point cool it’s a new cloud-based model it’s elegant and overhead in the neighborhood drama and that there’s a lot of reasons to transcend that six location and you can if you can be a mobile you know unit then you can just take your your your laptop and projector and some you know what your handouts or whatever you have in this b a anywhere and then again because through using Skype and using other types of internet programs you know we can get into a classroom you know that might not be able to bring us there physically but we can still do it will set it up on our end and and just stream live stream wherever we need to be and it’s very helpful to cuz we so we have volunteers I think are farthest away volunteer that we’ve had so far was in Trinidad so we can have volunteers from anywhere in the world who can work with us medication programs and so they help us Creator update or education resources in our reference materials and putting together things to help teachers facilitate this in their classes they might actually be one of our Educators we train people to go out to those classes and to give presentations to places we have research assistants to make come in with a certain amount of background knowledge and how to do academic research and some come in just wanted to learn it and so we trained them and they work with people who are doing research in various aspects of positive sexuality and so some of them get to co-author papers and some of them get to work on the ground floor of research happening and get to really get into what that is and have a voice and have an influence in what’s being done in the academic world and this is course then starts to affect policy when we’re putting scientific research in front of people and saying here this is what the says that’s not the correct or let them besides these aspects and that can be very very helpful we work with other organizations so and CSF the National Coalition for sexual freedom is one of our sort of co-working his nation’s the community academic Consortium for research on alternative sexualities we work with them as well yeah I’m getting chills yeah I’m getting chills cuz this is a lot more than I bargained for and actually seeking a lot of what you’re describing and to have yeah we hope we have a good bit of time last time feeling compelled to ask you a little bit about I guess hey if you’re into taboos right blowing them there is all I ever believed starting this week there’s going to be the biggest psychedelic science conference in the history of humanity happening in the Bay Area it’s put together by that multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and the there’s a lot of really important cutting-edge legal for the first time in decades studies happening all over the world with psilocybin you know I gave magic mushrooms and MDMA and Ayahuasca and marijuana and peyote and I will gain a number of other synthetic and natural organic you could say psychedelic compounds in a lot of it is at this point in this stage of the Renaissance of research it’s really about proving the safety the relative safety of different compounds getting the dosage to be sort of understood better at also having some really important clinical trials around ending ending addiction to harmful drugs ending cigarette addiction end-of-life anxiety sexual abuse and Trauma and PTSD from War veterans there’s all these different the demographics that are starting to have really groundbreaking results and they’re doing you know they’re putting in the millions of dollars to do the the research for all this and so I bring that up just to say that this is an interesting juncture for me because the a cultural cliche about sex drugs and rock and roll and you know the way that the culture of inebrians is starting to move a large part due to Raves and festivals it’s moving more towards entheogens than just Coke and heroin and meth and booze there’s more opportunities for people who are coming into their sexuality to have access to psychedelic experiences and so there’s the new Alchemy of innocent in these Generations between sex drugs and rock and roll and if it’s it’s it’s it’s a lot more sophisticated and advanced and and and just more diverse in many ways than it was in the 60s when it was you know Acid Rock and LSD and other birth of the the hippie movement in the 60s but I’m wondering if you have in your position they’re come across any any any people who are interested in in rigorous academic study of what this new sex and drugs and rock and roll Paradigm it is shaping up to become if there’s anyone interested in that that you know of he’s been there are definitely people who are starting who are doing research on these topics and very often the connection that ends up happening in the academic research is you know if we’re looking at the sex drugs and rock and roll that of course is going to look at the outcomes and too often I think the the outcome that gets stressed is okay so what’s the what’s the public health issue so is it possible or is it likely that people are might be transmitting STIs because they might be under the influence of something or maybe they can’t we do we have to worry about consent if someone is under the influence of something that then means that they cannot now consent to what happens at that point so what happens if everybody who’s involved have done that so where does that line get drawn so I think a lot of the issues that have come up in recent research has been either on public health topics around STI transmission or on consent topics recognizing that at least by law if someone is inebriated for example they can now no longer consent to sexual activity okay so what happens if everybody involved. That’s so interesting yet that’s exactly what I’ve been actually encountering and in just by life experiences it’s there’s there’s a lot of people now who were you can say you were having expanded Consciousness through empty agentic use meaning it’s kind of a nice way of saying psychedelic no drugs but but that’s an important consideration because just because you feel like you’re enlightened than that one with God doesn’t mean that you’re immune from being the perpetrator with that Enlightenment that you don’t think you have a potential for abuse and even if it’s not that sort of shady you know where that sort of Insidious there’s also just the issue you’re not in your body if you’re having an out-of-body ecstatic psychedelic experience how how do you get even if you can send it to the idea of something earlier in the evening that has to be held through somehow and if you lose the if you become somebody else or part of your higher self or whatever it could be theirs that’s some chicky territory for sure yeah so that’s I guess there’s you know that I’ve seen like at electronic dance music events you can call him Rave but that’s kind of more you know probably more accurate term these days cuz there’s within that whole world there’s different camps and it’s more no more more bride to just called electronic dance music these days but you know there is there’s sort of harm reduction education Outreach groups that put out one sheet kind of look like glass CD mailer cards you know about business matters and they have kind of a profile of what the different substances how did how to test and make sure that they’re real or are what you’re getting it like that there’s that whole harm reduction education Outreach approach that is kind of like what you’re talking about but it’s for the party scene in just for best and better practices around that but I could see that they’re being a sum interest group of people where they would want to see things the way you’re talking about it cuz I actually no way you’re framing it it it feels like there’s a lot more due diligence for people that want to be credible and respectable and using best practices to actually think with some of these analytical tools so I’m hoping you’ll be great if there was some overlap or or or Synergy with all this stuff I think more and more what is happening as we’re seeing the people who are actually involved in all of these different spaces you know the people were actually doing whatever it is we’re talking about having more influence on the research that’s being conducted so that it creates a more authentic overall experience and I think it adds a level of legitimacy to the research so rather than a researcher sort of from on high saying well I’m going to study this group and I think what they’re doing may not be safe and so we know the perspective that I’m going to come about with this is that well this is already inherently unsafe and now I’m going to show you why it’s in safe and I think more and more we have researchers who are in these communities who are in these faces or doing all of these things and you say you know maybe we need to do is talk to the people who were actually doing this and not talk to them with a preconceived notion of what’s going on or what they’re experiencing or what may be happening but go in just as a hey could give us some information to tell us about what’s happening and I think we’re seeing more of that so there has been research on for example like barebacking and there’s been research on sex workers experiences and there’s been research on sort of the the spiritual some of the spiritual Connections in the spiritual extremes that can be experienced through extreme SM activities light hookah coals and those kinds of things so we’re seeing more and more of that happening where people who are actually in these groups are part of the subcultures are also crossovers into the academic life and we’re just seeing an amazing amount of research that starting to Bubble to the surface and get a little bit of space. I think this research has been getting done for quite a while but it can be really hard to get it published because some of the academic Publishers don’t want to hear about it and I want you to my is any of these things so if they publish something on it they want to be really careful so with our journal and with some of the other journals out there we’ve been able to bridge. Cap and actually be able to show some I feel like more authentic stories well absolutely will now in this world have so many The Gatekeepers being dissolved by the power of the internet I feel like you know there’s a lot of bad journalism or untrained journalism so there’s got to be a lot of bad or untrained or Incredible or uncredible research but maybe it’s the methodology that can be what’s the word sort of feel like I could imagine what as you were speaking I was imagining will wouldn’t it be great to train the you know that like the anthropological participation observation ethnography kind of model but if you were to train if you were coming from that subculture and you wanted to sort of document your tribe and produce your own ethnography kind of amongst your friends kind of tabulate experiences and collect notes insured compare notes is there was you recommend any kind of Crash Course doing data collection for different types of research paper I’m doing ethnography in the field and sort of how that works and how you can sort of pull everything together there’s a really good little guidebooks you know a quick online search for for some of these guys are out there and ask her if she is amazing stuff I love doing a photography by the way I think it’s an incredible tool that doesn’t get use nearly enough and and it got a lot of researchers a colleague of mine she recently did a photographic ethnographic working with lgbtq Foster Youth and homeless Youth and kind of went out gave them all cameras and said take photographs of Your World of your life of who you are, and they did a whole art show you know like found a gallery in Downtown LA and just played everyone’s photographs and and you know really got people connected to them and seeing them as people who have life experiences and they’re not just sort of a category of disadvantaged kids so yeah I think there’s there’s an easy guide books out there just like a quick you can find some quick little things of how to do ethnography and how to do that and but I think a lot of that to starts with her own storytelling so things that you do and things that others do and and all the bloggers out there and everything of these are all forms of ethnography relay yeah that’s cool it’s just that it’s exciting and hopeful cuz I feel that I’m at a point where I’m doing kind of pseudo-scientific Rogue radical research that’s way too far out for any government agency or any academic institution to touch with a ten-foot pole so it’s it’s kind of on me and my colleagues and friends 2 do this sort of underground research but then hope that it it’s done in a way that it can be respectable or it can be legitimated later you know but it is probably good to do what you’re suggesting and actually have some some templates for collecting the data that mean okay here’s what would our experiment yielded and here’s the methodology in the procedure and you can test it on your own Hardy or lab or whatever replicate what you’ve done and so can you give enough information that would allow somebody else to replicate and get similar results in their own place or find totally different results which is also fascinating injured and interesting and yeah and I think that’s really I mean that’s science that is science Sciences pushing boundaries and science is you now let’s try a new thing and see what happens and science is telling a new story or New Perspective of a story and you know I think that that’s been lost over the past many years Society The Sciences inquiry science is asking questions and wondering why thing happens and how something happens and trying to figure that out and I think that we’ve sort of collectively as a larger society have sort of lost that Focus write the word crowdsourced crowd-source funding crowdsourced ideas and editing and an art I mean you were talking about that at that photo gallery exhibit and that’s a great example if you would call that a crowd-sourced ethnographic oh yeah photojournalism nice oh yeah that’s cool that’s that’s exciting time so I’m also wondering now do you have do you do you or your organization the Center provide any kind of consulting services or any kind of where you could be hired or you could be sort of commissioned to do research or to consult on Research I don’t know that we’re I don’t know that anybody is really hired to do research cuz wouldn’t it be fantastic if someone will pay for that but that doesn’t happen if we do get hired as consultants for a variety of things so either individuals within the organization or the collective organization May consult on certain projects or consult on like creative curriculum for a particular thing and we have individuals who are consulted on court cases and I’m legal issues so so there’s a lot of that we also get hired by professionals like to teach professional workshops on various topics so that happens as well because we’re a nonprofit although those things are often we you know ask for fee cuz usually the people who were asking for these services are people who can pay for it but what going out to the schools we’re going to colleges in touch or we have a student group asked us to come and do something with them or like what you know we go to somebody’s community of answer something we may ask for an honorarium but we’re going to do this stuff for free so we really depend on our donors and our contributors and the people who support us to kind of give us the funding that we need in order to do what we want to do and and to publishing and all the other stuff so our journals available for free most of our Outreach staff and education program is all for free so yeah a lot of what we do depends on donations as opposed to people actually hiring us officially to do something right on that sounds like a healthy well-rounded multi Revenue stream nonprofit you’re definitely fulfilling your mission in so many beautiful dimensions and I’m just really happy to know that we’ve connected to some really feel better about living in the world with you more offline 2 just to explore some of these Consulting opportunities that you have and see what we’re about and all of that stuff were completely volunteer so none of us are paid for what we do I don’t run a paycheck nobody wants a paycheck that’s completely volunteer and yeah we’re just we’re just trying to let you know we just try to bring it enough funds to keep going and to keep doing what we’re doing and to expand so we’re actually going to be expanding our face-to-face education program out to Chicago over the next few months so Craig can you do that that’s well thank you so much that’s great I feel like it’s it’s really refreshing to to hear that there are people out there who are so dedicated to the cause that it’s that you did not just going to slam the door in your face if you don’t write a check if you know the first five minutes if you’re not going to bill me for this podcast interview right now about an hour into it is do you have a sort of committee or task force or team or just even a person who is either because they are a trauma Survivor or because it’s just near and dear to their hearts whatever reason is there you do consent workshops in self-defense or rape and assault prevention and any any more of the or any any of the sort of preventative and treatment kind of education unpreparedness we do have programs around consent we don’t really specifically talk about self defense or or right prevention in the standard sense so we don’t really talk about here’s what you can do to prevent being raped we talked about here’s what you can do to not rape someone because really this is not on the victim this is on the perpetrator but we also talked about you know here’s other ways that you might think about your sexual self and your identity in the power dynamics that you may interact with and find consensual outlets for some of your interests and behaviors and the citiz and you know we talked about a wide range of those things so it would be great if the people who are doing the Rape Crisis counseling and who are just in the trenches of dealing with battered women and in and going in and and doing you know investigations to catch meant to prosecute the perpetrators of all ages if they were I would let it would be great if in it you know in a perfect world they were seeking you all to educate themselves on better prevention and better version or diversion from the criminal whole that the response like they’re coming as the First Responders two incidents that would have been prevented by a proper education on all sides right and we do have we do have information so some of our researchers and and because we have people who are social workers who have conducted research through us who have published on how to do how to have a sex positive approach to handling victims how to have a sex positive approach to handling offenders and that these approaches can really help reduce crime can reduce negative stigma can reduce it comes cool is that would that be on your website or at some if I if I can follow up with you later cool okay well alright I feel like it’s this is yes. A real blessing and I just want to thank you again for your time and generous sharing of great info so with that said do you want to give the website and any other maybe upcoming events or anything else you’d like to promote and the website is positive sexuality. Org journal and that’s Journal of positive sexuality. Org we have our anniversary party coming up this July so if you want to be invited and want to be a part of that anniversary party will be a fundraiser you can contact me at Emily Emily at positive sexuality. Org or you can go to our website and put in your email address and then you’re on our newsletter list and you’ll get information through our newsletter about our party and we’re hoping we’re putting together an academic conference for next year so look on our website check things out if you go to sex pause khan.com so s e x p o s c o n. Com there’s going to be updated information they’re probably starting in the next couple of weeks for our positive sexuality conference coming up in 2018 in Burbank all right that’s very exciting thank you again yeah that’s me alright thank you so much again and I will hopefully I’ll be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite sex if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. Com Thomas gay