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Sexorcism the Tantric Opera Behind the Scenes TPP97

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This episode is a post-ceremony recap with Angelica, the shamanic nurse at my top in the Sexorcism the Tantric Opera documentary. We sequentially discuss the behind the scenes and compare notes on what we experienced internally and externally from beginning to end.

We also discuss the implications for sexology, sexual healing, and criminal justice as this experimental research continues to rock the boat of orthodox everything.

Please go to https://tantrapunk.com/sexorcism/ to watch the film

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 97 in this episode I’m doing a recap from the sexorcism the tantric Opera the documentary with Angelica one of the shamanic nurses who you see in the film and then I’m also going to include the audio from the 5 minutes trailer for the documentary so if you haven’t gone over to Tantra Punk. Com sexorcism to see the film it’s free to watch online so please go ahead and do that and hopefully this episode will will get you excited for that again please as with anything I put out there’s a implicit trigger warning but I will double emphasize it because we’re talking about some of the the most extreme forms of abuse and violation that were taking a stand and rising up as shamanic Sexual Healing Wounded Warriors to make a difference in the world so if if it all you feel squeamish about going any further this would be the time to stop because obviously is going to get into some dramatic material but it’s also very empowering Inglorious to see the work unfold and evolve so please enjoy namaste Contra secret spot Sexual Healing work and the different modalities of psychedelic Shamanism not bringing sacred sacraments and the invocation of the divine feminine and use of psychedelic trance music which has the adrenal lising effect and a shamanic journeying Sonic driving affect this is kind of like Ghostbusters needs the Playboy channel is cirrhotic ghostbusting There’s real tangible medically measurable physiological effects of Tantra psychedelic sexual exorcism just calling for me I feel as very authentic because I am a survivor and because I absolutely had to walk this path out of absolute necessity your nervous system is always waiting for that moment when am I going to be held by the tribe when is the tribe going to do my soul retrieval when is everyone going to circle up and shout down these possessing spirits that are making me slit my wrists or you know cut myself or have an eating disorder or be a sexual predator or whatever it is all of the deformations of character and personality disorders and neuroses they’re all intrusions that would have been quickly and easily dealt with by a shamanic culture but because we’re lacking that we have to kind of hack it together. without inviting my parents I’ll just say it was a latchkey kid because we live in a patriarchy and it was a broken home and my mother was doing her best to put food on the table and provide for us but so much was lacking for me it was very attractive to find drugs in tribal Street culture my friends and Drug buddy initiators Brothers you know we shared needles saying you know Three Musketeers if we ain’t one of us gets AIDS we’re all going to share it so we all go down together they were the same ones that put me up to prostitution and said come on man we’re doing it you got to pull your weight around here I was 13 to be crippled in this way as a survivor in really negatively affects your ability to function it’s PTSD its shell shocked it’s flashbacks has you know everything is a trigger smells site sounds colors a person who is in the middle who is the receiver of the healing there hopefully being held in a manner that haven’t been held in since infancy really so there’s a level of returning to that total surrender to Total vulnerability where you can feel safe enough to go into the places that your psyche has kept you from for however many decades the medical and psychotherapeutic Sciences are missing is the shamanic and psychedelic epistemological perspective the hippies have been laughed at and marginalized and made fun of by the straight Square people child rape is not a laughing matter and adult rape is not a laughing matter to exaltation of the Priestess class that we are attempting to email beautify through song and dance and ritual and now all these beautiful festivals and Devotion to the Divine it’s not just a bunch of hippies you know being freaks how do you know this is a matter of life and death I didn’t expect to make it this far in life my sense of being all here Consolidated and purified and present my intactness can’t wait to figure out a way to really measure the before and after of how much more energetic Integrity do you have after this kind of privilege I feel like Heather will be a time when when I’m free ultimate leave totally free and get to start living my life the way most people take for granted Angelica what the fuck was going on in there from your perspective well give me like a okay so how about just the same thing we did last time which is like that so I’m curious cuz I was running around getting prepped and then and then and then I asked you and you decided you were going to go all the way here I can go all the way and play a starring role and I was so stoked I don’t think I’ve ever I don’t think I’ve ever been more excited more not excited but you know when spinal tap got back together that was the feeling I had like you reconciliation and you know because you were you had really been having second thoughts and feeling doubtful and I wanted to validate that and under that and not for sure push you or pressure or anything but by some miracle we could change your mind and it was like if I could have one fucking wish in this lifetime I think I would have spent it to have that happen but I swear I wasn’t using any black cat Magic tactics in mind what made me change my mind beautiful I had told you on the phone like yeah I’ll just be there cuz I already told I already gave you my word and so but I think the sentiments of the other females here and like realizing that my concerns were were also their concerns and I think we’re just socialized into I mean even pornography I think the way that we’ve been like I mean even that’s been stigmatized you know to like I know like it’s something that’s taboo and so the fact that this was going to be recorded and I identity and all this kind of like it’s a lot to ask and yeah but then I realized knows like what do I have to lose and then just being here and and wanting to like step up to the plate and hold space in the in a new way or maybe you’re in a deeper way than what I had before and is one for it I think despite you know my gut feelings of the beginning of things kind of changed and the incubator that we created with some yeah I just it was it was nice and even I mean we all kind of just like showed up not knowing what was going to happen like what it that even looks like in the filmmaker didn’t even know how the set was going to look like so we kind of all is just did our part and put it all together and it came out really amazing and magical you know not knowing what’s next but just going with it and it just Aegis blossoms in is amazing I’m really curious what what stands are for you is for is the timeline of I mean oh oh probably ask you you know for a little bit and clarification what not but just if you were to go ahead and tell the story from starting from when you decided that you were going to be involved and then it became a lot of a lot of just technical stuff like just okay. You to head this is like being on set this is like any other production just lighting and positioning in rehearsal and props and running through things and trying to yeah I mean people will have seen the the edited footage so isn’t there’s not much behind the scenes that’s that exciting I guess just whatever comes to mind I think for me it was like just insecurities that I was projecting you know like what am I going to look like a camera or like is my face, show am I doing this right blah blah blah but then like once you’re there is just like at some point I think we’ve been like took our masks but um yeah I arrive and you know we have we have our meal and we’re just talking and getting to know each other. the other people involved and 12 setting up I think I took a nap waiting around and I don’t know I think even even the timeline was because we did not stick to the timeline of what it is that was going to happen in the ceremony but it was beautiful I mean we started off as usual you know with intention and prayer and just like a group huddle of like what was the explicit was to be expected and I mean once to take the medicine the medicine is basically with takes over and and Collies called in and everything else is just the richest following a going with it and so the way that played out with no we have the opening prayer chanting and locations of are guides in the Mighty Beanz and opening up the portal and there downloading or starting to starting to feel like spensive and then I mean this time I was I was at the at the head and holding space and being the archetype of the mother do you want to back up to the where we were it was kind of like a I was kind of doing like a a drumming a bit and we’re curious to for me the dancing thing was was that was my first and Most Blessed opportunity and in life so far less far to be trusted with two female dakini yogini dancers trusting my grace in my my sort of thumb are we were all have we were headed that way this is this is the thing this is the thing that that I hope is clear and conveyed is that sexual politics and relationship Dynamics and personality in Eagle all these things were ostensibly taking her shoes off and I’m leaving them and hanging up or jackets and you know sort of showing up as pure energetic Essence with an intention to create a maximum healing synergistic effect that doesn’t involve negative mind chatter and one-upmanship and politics and and all that stuff so in order for this really surrender and have into feel trusted my anxiety was was like well leading up to let’s say was say oh I really hope they both feel and know and trust not just been but Kali enough to be guiding been fully to the point where if he moves Us in whatever ways you know he sees fit and he is like in quotes because who is he now it is he just himself as is you know or is he now a conduit a vessel of this invoked Shakti Kali wisdom I mean so for you two to be willing to boldly go into this dance where I had taken my tracks and in this is my opportunity to create some sort of some sort of symmetry of movement you know a sacred geometrical compounding of dimensionality with the whole nother circuit system circuitry and interface the three of us in a way that manifest a hyperdimensional potential for this the track to be played out in the Shakti the flow and always think so that was you both surrendered to be my Canvas OR the canvas of this dancing Artistry and I am dying to know what your thought process was going to be forced to do the moonwalk or something I’m going to have to do the written Rodger rabbit nervous about I think also I mean along with like already knowing okay this is a commitment and like already taken the medicine so the spaceship is taken off. No other choice I think it’s part of the process of like trusting you know just like I have a deep respect for you and and I trust you and so I’m like trusting the process and and yeah I also like trusting the goddess and so I also felt the way she came pretty much into all of us into all of our beings as vessels and so it’s kind of like became this like braids or this it wasn’t a choreograph it was just you know I was feeling out energy and it has a different kind of getting felt up energy and and how do I also just because we’ve already we’ve we’ve practiced this before so you know there was a deeper level of trust and like the first time but I guess it’s always nerve-wracking but letting go I think it’s another lesson there and yeah did you ever again for me to it was I had to think did the how do I be absolutely equal in my worshipful where worshiping devotion I’ve got a quote for me I had to cook a what how am I going to not leave anyone in the cold did you feel like I did a good job of balancing the attention and not leaving anyone else I feeling like a third wheel in the dancing fisa it was in life it was it was not about me you know what I mean so I didn’t have that like attention like you know and even when that was diverges like I’m in spirit so I’m dancing with spirit I am still part of it but not you know they’re not then I go in word and I’m like my own dancing partner has his my partner but it’s not like this isn’t about me or is this isn’t about me feeling like victimized and left until now not not at all like me and her coming together was actually really beautiful to Healing session that needed to be I kind of a kind of anticipated that I felt like there was going to be vicarious but that’s the whole point is that condition I knew I was going to get the cherry on top at the end so I wasn’t worried about no I was cool because I felt like we were me and her were able to do the sort of EMT shamanic you know paramedic deal for you you know just to some of the work it wasn’t as just kind of like some fine-tuning to be done before that’s what I’m most excited to see the footage of is like what that look like and how cuz you could really see there’s some other higher-dimensional intelligence that’s really putting all these Advanced Aikido moves in this sequence that where everything is just so much so much electrical engineering of the flow of energy in a so anyway yeah that’s cool we’re all going to be moved in different ways you know it says downloading either a different like downloading a different either I mean it’s the same entities the same the same Spirit in the same intention except because we’re all different than people you know we’re going to going to be different and so it was really beautiful to see and witness Missy her her downloads you know one end the way that she was moving even away from like the timeline that we had written you know and and and you know I wasn’t supposed to be a patient in this you know until like that Divergence was was unforeseen but it was within the flow of the tracks and it actually work the way that you know there are built up and even as far as timing goes and the rhythm of the next is kind of like graduating or your life the gradual deepening of the next stage in the next process in the next Tuesday for healing so I was really not expecting to be so completely hammered by that dosage I was fucked up and I could barely stand and barely speak and the lights were so bright and so obnoxious to me I mean it wasn’t it wasn’t I shouldn’t say obnoxious it was just it was just it was intense the lighting and I am in in it I’ve never I’ve had beautiful experiences in the daylight like looking at the sun through my eyelids and seeing beautiful cathedral sort of refractions and stained glass kind of beautiful so it’s it’s not like light and mushrooms don’t mix because it can be super beautiful during the day in the forest to the sun shining right on you and you just bathing in that for some reason though with all these bright Film Production artificial lights he was just I felt like I was in the Netherworld limbo some some like a like a space-age airlock or something it just felt I couldn’t really see and feel the texture of the Goddess the way I normally do it felt more like it was inside of a gas inside of a light bulb and all of the mystical things that I normally able to see with my third eye I could barely see anything even with my eyes closed it was it took away a lot of the visual Dimension which was kind of kind of from what’s the word on just disorienting and I wasn’t used to have it so but by the time we get to the Kali provocation fairly I’m feeling which was the most the most deep rich chocolate intense powerful thing we I felt like I was most curious to see how how we were all going to respond to mutually being in that track together and it’s and it’s and I often feel like like a collapsed to my knees were just faceplant to the goddess and I’ve just surrender all my ego all my power I mean things that don’t even think about in my college-age students like you want to be very very careful about this because it’s within it’s the state of California guidelines as it’s within 3 years if you are 17 and under but that don’t that starts at like 12 so you know like between an 8 year old and 11 year old or 12 year old knots that’s not going to hold like that’s not going to be acceptable and have to start with the age of 12 and going up you can’t backtrack it so if the person younger than 12 it’s still really really illegal and and not going to work in your favor but 12 and up their kind of looking okay so if you’re 12 in the person you’re interested in is a little bit older than maybe but you need to be careful with that and I think the big problem comes in is when we have people around the cussed so you have somebody’s 15 16 17 to date someone and then they turn 18 you know the other partner turns 18 and now what so now you’re not supposed to be in this relationship any longer and now all of a sudden you cannot consent to this relationship I don’t know I feel like there’s a I understand the laws and I understand the reasons for it I think it’s great to protect people but I also think we don’t give teens credit for being actual sexual persons who could make choices for themselves yeah I was certainly with a lot of older women when I was under 18 so that would have I would have been upset and sad if anyone tried to step in and on that but it’s gendered announcer complicated certainly you I don’t know I guess in my area would have been that just as a rule of thumb male sexual energy was just kind of demonised is being Territorial. And now it’s headed lesbian couple it’s a female identified female body young women who were yeah it’s a different just tell me a different Dynamic so who knows where it’ll lead at this point but at least the center for positive sexuality is here to have these conversations and do you have do you have do you want to talk about a bit about what your your passion is as an educator in the professor like what are you do you have any research that you’re doing your Department’s or you kind of thumb yeah like kind of locking into a specific topics that interest you amongst all these things I mean most of my work still centers around sexuality and I usually teach introductory an advanced human sexuality courses I also teach other classes so I teach mainly in sociology departments so you know I teach about society and culture and people but I really like teaching about deviance and we research on deviance and identity and and all that kind of stuff so a lot of my research is about BDSM is about sex work is about feminist pornography is a kinds of fun stuff I’m presenting at a conference next month on a paper that came out about a year ago and the Journal of sex medicine my colleagues and I did a study on looking at BDSM as a Leisure activity so if we can say fine it’s not pathology let’s stop talking about it that way so okay then what is it and we thought well maybe it’s fits Leisure and if we look at leisure as not just a Pastime but as something that you identify with something that makes you feel whole makes you feel fulfilled is something that you choose to do then then I think it can fit into that category so that’s one of the big one of the big research projects I worked on very recently that’s awesome you have to make it makes me think that if I were to have to explain anthropologically or take that sort of the view of being an alien trying to understand what people are doing her I would kind of say well when when kids are pre-pubescent they make believe and they create epic worlds of Adventure and fantasy role-play and then when people come of age you become adults and they realize that they have these new toys that develop then they want to use them and actually be imaginative and creative in and use their whole potential of their erogenous imagination and their new toys and then they can actually play freely with each other where you know when when kids are playing playing games that you would consider to be somewhat violent and nature they don’t usually actually harm or kill each other you know so it’s not that hard it’s not that great of a leap of logic right to imagine that adults would reaxis some of that imaginary fun making instincts or hate American culture as we really look down on Leisure we would look down on play and we look down on make-believe and so we decide that’s just for children and it’s not for grown ups and I think that that’s a really horrible horrible perspectives of the world cuz you’re only a child for a very very brief point of your life and you’re an adult for a really really long part of your life and wouldn’t I don’t want to stop playing. Why would you want to grow up ever and so yeah I think of BDSM I think erotic play I feel like yeah it’s just this extension of your creativity and artistic and Tristan and your means of expressing yourself and now you get to have sex so why wouldn’t you add that and everything else thank you for helping to frame it that way cuz that it’s it’s so it’s easier to digest when you when I just have never heard that what that phrase before but it just erotic play being obviously it means that you could incorporate more than just your one monogamous married partner that’s just still only allowed that culturally they by the mainstream the idea of being sexually playful with a group of people in the community of people as a social activity like a cocktail party or a mixer or I mean why can’t you believe make break into play make-believe you know the okay fine I just I’m this is my partner this is the only person I’m going to have sex with her I’m going to be in love with or however you’re defining that but I can pretend for the next hour or two that there’s someone I’ve never met before or that there a superhero or that a magical being or whatever and that can really shift your erotic interest in your erotic pleasure I think you probably would be able to say that it will make a lot of relationships last longer and be more Pap more healthier happier for sustainable resilient cuz you’re not getting bored and giving up and going you know stoic that’s great so do you have a key tell it tell me more about the center and how it how it runs and functions is it kind of like a drop-in center or do you have only certain events at certain times or how does the facility time work out we don’t actually have a physical location most of it exists inside my laptop and out of and that means we don’t have to pay for rent so that’s why we go to where we need to go so you know we have regular meetings happen in my house or one of the other board members houses we do have some events here and there are a lot of our fundraisers or just online to make it easier to reach as many people as possible and of course we’re trying to reach a broader audience than just Los Angeles so we Skype workshops we Skype things we’ve talked to classes in New York and classes in Idaho and you know all over the place so you know we do a lot of different things we also have an academic Journal that you’re positive sexuality it’s free it’s open access anyone is welcome to use it and read it and submit work to it and you know that’s been going we’re now in our third year of publication of that and that is hitting a worldwide audience some of the countries that are accessing this are it’s all over in Australia and in Belgium and in various parts of the UK and it’s hitting parts of Asia Japan so it’s really really great so we have a very wide reach and what we do we have approximately 50 to 60 volunteers who work with us we also have an internship program so we get college students who want internship credits or what the work experience and so they volunteer for a specific. Of time and work on specific projects for us at different times of the year we get most of our interns during the summer but we get interns year-round and we have in our volunteers so we have Educators we have people who are research Affiliates and who published research and use the center is one of their professional affiliations we have research assistants who helped them we do you work with events so we do some Outreach events I think on Wednesday we’re going to UCLA sextravaganza which is been happening for several years on UCLA’s campus that we usually set up a booth are we do that with other things around town we’ve also have members some of our volunteers go to conferences all over the world and represent us at different places and in different areas where they were very popular in Melbourne just found out from a friend who’s been living in Australia for past couple years so I can’t I guess we’ll have to go there at some point cool it’s a new cloud-based model it’s elegant and overhead in the neighborhood drama and that there’s a lot of reasons to transcend that six location and you can if you can be a mobile you know unit then you can just take your your your laptop and projector and some you know what your handouts or whatever you have in this b a and again because true using Skype and using other types of internet programs you know we can get into a classroom you know that might not be able to bring us there physically but we can still do it will set it up on our end and and just stream live stream wherever we need to be and and it’s very helpful to cuz we so we have volunteers I think are farthest away volunteer that we’ve had so far was in Trinidad so we can have volunteers from anywhere in the world who can work with us medication programs and so they help us Creator update or education resources in our reference materials and putting together things to help teachers facilitate this in their classes they might actually be one of our Educators we train people to go out to those classes and to give presentations to places we have research assistants to make come in with a certain amount of background knowledge and how to do academic research and some come in just wanted to learn it and so we trained them and they work with people who are doing research in various aspects of positive sexuality and so some of them get to co-author papers and some of them get to work on the ground floor of research happening and get to really get into what that is and have a voice and have an influence in what’s being done in the academic world and this is course then starts to affect policy when we’re putting scientific research in front of people and saying here this is what the says that’s not the correct or let them besides these aspects and that can be very very helpful we work with other organizations so and CSF the National Coalition for sexual freedom is one of our sort of co-working his nation’s the community academic Consortium for research on alternative sexualities we work with them as well yeah I’m getting chills yeah I’m getting chills cuz this is a lot more than I bargained for and actually seeking a lot of what you’re describing and to have yeah we hope we have a good bit of time last time feeling compelled to ask you a little bit about I guess hey if you’re into taboos right blowing them there is all I ever believed starting this week there’s going to be the biggest psychedelic science conference in the history of humanity happening in the Bay Area it’s put together by that multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and the there’s a lot of really important cutting-edge legal for the first time in decades studies happening all over the world with psilocybin you know I gave magic mushrooms and MDMA and Ayahuasca and marijuana and peyote and I will gain a number of other synthetic and natural organic you could say psychedelic compounds in a lot of it is at this point in this stage of the Renaissance of research it’s really about proving the safety the relative safety of different compounds getting the dosage to be sort of understood better at also having some really important clinical trials around ending ending addiction to harmful drugs ending cigarette addiction end-of-life anxiety sexual abuse and Trauma and PTSD from War veterans there’s all these different the demographics that are starting to have really groundbreaking results and they’re doing you know they’re putting in the millions of dollars to do the the research for all this and so I bring that up just to say that this is an interesting juncture for me because the a cultural cliche about sex drugs and rock and roll and you know the way that the culture of inebrians is starting to move a large part due to Raves and festivals it’s moving more towards entheogens than just Coke and heroin and meth and booze there’s more opportunities for people who are coming into their sexuality to have access to psychedelic experiences and so there’s the new Alchemy of innocent in these Generations between sex drugs and rock and roll and if it’s it’s it’s it’s a lot more sophisticated and advanced and and and just more diverse in many ways than it was in the 60s when it was you know Acid Rock and LSD and other birth of the the hippie movement in the 60s but I’m wondering if you have in your position they’re come across any any any people who are interested in in rigorous academic study of what this new sex and drugs and rock and roll Paradigm it is shaping up to become if there’s anyone interested in that that you know of he’s been there are definitely people who are starting who are doing research on these topics and very often the connection that ends up happening in the academic research is you know if we’re looking at the sex drugs and rock and roll that of course is going to look at the outcomes and too often I think the the outcome that gets stressed is okay so what’s the what’s the public health issue so is it possible or is it likely that people are might be transmitting STIs because they might be under the influence of something or maybe they can’t we do we have to worry about consent if someone is under the influence of something that then means that they cannot now consent to what happens at that point so what happens if everybody who’s involved have done that so where does that line get drawn so I think a lot of the issues that have come up in recent research has been either on public health topics around STI transmission or on consent topics recognizing that at least by law if someone is inebriated for example they can now no longer consent to sexual activity okay so what happens if everybody involved. That’s so interesting yet that’s exactly what I’ve been actually encountering and in just by life experiences it’s there’s there’s a lot of people now who were you can say you were having expanded Consciousness through empty agentic use meaning it’s kind of a nice way of saying psychedelic no drugs but but that’s an important consideration because just because you feel like you’re enlightened than that one with God doesn’t mean that you’re immune from being the perpetrator with that Enlightenment that you don’t think you have a potential for abuse and even if it’s not that sort of shady you know where that sort of Insidious there’s also just the issue you’re not in your body if you’re having an out-of-body ecstatic psychedelic experience how how do you get even if you can send it to the idea of something earlier in the evening that has to be held through somehow and if you lose the if you become somebody else or part of your higher self or whatever it could be theirs that’s some chicky territory for sure yeah so that’s I guess there’s you know that I’ve seen like at electronic dance music events you can call him Rave but that’s kind of more you know probably more accurate term these days cuz there’s within that whole world there’s different camps and it’s more no more more bride to just called electronic dance music these days but you know there is there’s sort of harm reduction education Outreach groups that put out one sheet kind of look like glass CD mailer cards you know about business matters and they have kind of a profile of what the different substances how did how to test and make sure that they’re real or are what you’re getting it like that there’s that whole harm reduction education Outreach approach that is kind of like what you’re talking about but it’s for the party scene in just for best and better practices around that but I could see that they’re being a sum interest group of people where they would want to see things the way you’re talking about it cuz I actually no way you’re framing it it it feels like there’s a lot more due diligence for people that want to be credible and respectable and using best practices to actually think with some of these analytical tools so I’m hoping you’ll be great if there was some overlap or or or Synergy with all this stuff I think more and more what is happening as we’re seeing the people who are actually involved in all of these different spaces you know the people were actually doing whatever it is we’re talking about having more influence on the research that’s being conducted so that it creates a more authentic overall experience and I think it adds a level of legitimacy to the research so rather than a researcher sort of from on high saying well I’m going to study this group and I think what they’re doing may not be safe and so we know the perspective that I’m going to come about with this is that well this is already inherently unsafe and now I’m going to show you why it’s in safe and I think more and more we have researchers who are in these communities who are in these faces or doing all of these things and you say you know maybe we need to do is talk to the people who were actually doing this and not talk to them with a preconceived notion of what’s going on or what they’re experiencing or what may be happening but go in just as a hey could give us some information to tell us about what’s happening and I think we’re seeing more of that so there has been research on for example like barebacking and there’s been research on sex workers experiences and there’s been research on sort of the the spiritual some of the spiritual Connections in the spiritual extremes that can be experienced through extreme SM activities light hookah coals and those kinds of things so we’re seeing more and more of that happening where people who are actually in these groups are part of the subcultures are also crossovers into the academic life and we’re just seeing an amazing amount of research that starting to Bubble to the surface and get a little bit of space. I think this research has been getting done for quite a while but it can be really hard to get it published because some of the academic Publishers don’t want to hear about it and I want you to my is any of these things so if they publish something on it they want to be really careful so with our journal and with some of the other journals out there we’ve been able to bridge. Cap and actually be able to show some I feel like more authentic stories well absolutely will now in this world have so many The Gatekeepers being dissolved by the power of the internet I feel like you know there’s a lot of bad journalism or untrained journalism so there’s got to be a lot of bad or untrained or Incredible or uncredible research but maybe it’s the methodology that can be what’s the word sort of feel like I could imagine what as you were speaking I was imagining will wouldn’t it be great to train the you know that like the anthropological participation observation ethnography kind of model but if you were to train if you were coming from that subculture and you wanted to sort of document your tribe and produce your own ethnography kind of amongst your friends kind of tabulate experiences and collect notes insured compare notes is there was you recommend any kind of Crash Course doing data collection for different types of research paper I’m doing ethnography in the field and sort of how that works and how you can sort of pull everything together there’s a really good little guidebooks you know a quick online search for for some of these guys are out there and ask her if she is amazing stuff I love doing a photography by the way I think it’s an incredible tool that doesn’t get use nearly enough and and it got a lot of researchers a colleague of mine she recently did a photographic ethnographic working with lgbtq Foster Youth and homeless Youth and kind of went out gave them all cameras and said take photographs of Your World of your life of who you are, and they did a whole art show you know like found a gallery in Downtown LA and just played everyone’s photographs and and you know really got people connected to them and seeing them as people who have life experiences and they’re not just sort of a category of disadvantaged kids so yeah I think there’s there’s an easy guide books out there just like a quick you can find some quick little things of how to do ethnography and how to do that and but I think a lot of that to starts with her own storytelling so things that you do and things that others do and and all the bloggers out there and everything of these are all forms of ethnography relay yeah that’s cool it’s just that it’s exciting and hopeful cuz I feel that I’m at a point where I’m doing kind of pseudo-scientific Rogue radical research that’s way too far out for any government agency or any academic institution to touch with a ten-foot pole so it’s it’s kind of on me and my colleagues and friends 2 do this sort of underground research but then hope that it it’s done in a way that it can be respectable or it can be legitimated later you know but it is probably good to do what you’re suggesting and actually have some some templates for collecting the data that mean okay here’s what would our experiment yielded and here’s the methodology in the procedure and you can test it on your own Hardy or lab or whatever replicate what you’ve done and so can you give enough information that would allow somebody else to replicate and get similar results in their own place or find totally different results which is also fascinating injured and interesting and yeah and I think that’s really I mean that’s science that is science Sciences pushing boundaries and science is you now let’s try a new thing and see what happens and science is telling a new story or New Perspective of a story and you know I think that that’s been lost over the past many years Society The Sciences inquiry science is asking questions and wondering why thing happens and how something happens and trying to figure that out and I think that we’ve sort of collectively as a larger society have sort of lost that Focus write the word crowdsourced crowd-source funding crowdsourced ideas and editing and an art I mean you were talking about that at that photo gallery exhibit and that’s a great example if you would call that a crowd-sourced ethnographic oh yeah photojournalism nice oh yeah that’s cool that’s that’s exciting time so I’m also wondering now do you have do you do you or your organization the Center provide any kind of consulting services or any kind of where you could be hired or you could be sort of commissioned to do research or to consult on Research I don’t know that we’re I don’t know that anybody is really hired to do research cuz wouldn’t it be fantastic if someone will pay for that but that doesn’t happen if we do get hired as consultants for a variety of things so either individuals within the organization or the collective organization May consult on certain projects or consult on like creative curriculum for a particular thing and we have individuals who are consulted on court cases and I’m legal issues so so there’s a lot of that we also get hired by professionals like to teach professional workshops on various topics so that happens as well because we’re a nonprofit although those things are often we you know ask for fee cuz usually the people who were asking for these services are people who can pay for it but what going out to the schools we’re going to colleges in touch or we have a student group asked us to come and do something with them or like what you know we go to somebody’s community of answer something we may ask for an honorarium but we’re going to do this stuff for free so we really depend on our donors and our contributors and the people who support us to kind of give us the funding that we need in order to do what we want to do and and to publishing and all the other stuff so our journals available for free most of our Outreach staff and education program is all for free so yeah a lot of what we do depends on donations as opposed to people actually hiring us officially to do something right on that sounds like a healthy well-rounded multi Revenue stream nonprofit you’re definitely fulfilling your mission in so many beautiful dimensions and I’m just really happy to know that we’ve connected to some really feel better about living in the world with you more offline 2 just to explore some of these Consulting opportunities that you have and see what we’re about and all of that stuff were completely volunteer so none of us are paid for what we do I don’t run a paycheck nobody wants a paycheck that’s completely volunteer and yeah we’re just we’re just trying to let you know we just try to bring it enough funds to keep going and to keep doing what we’re doing and to expand so we’re actually going to be expanding our face-to-face education program out to Chicago over the next few months so Craig can you do that that’s well thank you so much that’s great I feel like it’s it’s really refreshing to to hear that there are people out there who are so dedicated to the cause that it’s that you did not just going to slam the door in your face if you don’t write a check if you know the first five minutes if you’re not going to bill me for this podcast interview right now about an hour into it is do you have a sort of committee or task force or team or just even a person who is either because they are a trauma Survivor or because it’s just near and dear to their hearts whatever reason is there you do consent workshops in self-defense or rape and assault prevention and any any more of the or any any of the sort of preventative and treatment kind of education unpreparedness we do have programs around consent we don’t really specifically talk about self defense or or right prevention in the standard sense so we don’t really talk about here’s what you can do to prevent being raped we talked about here’s what you can do to not rape someone because really this is not on the victim this is on the perpetrator but we also talked about you know here’s other ways that you might think about your sexual self and your identity in the power dynamics that you may interact with and find consensual outlets for some of your interests and behaviors and the citiz and you know we talked about a wide range of those things so it would be great if the people who are doing the Rape Crisis counseling and who are just in the trenches of dealing with battered women and in and going in and and doing you know investigations to catch meant to prosecute the perpetrators of all ages if they were I would let it would be great if in it you know in a perfect world they were seeking you all to educate themselves on better prevention and better version or diversion from the criminal whole that the response like they’re coming as the First Responders two incidents that would have been prevented by a proper education on all sides right and we do have we do have information so some of our researchers and and because we have people who are social workers who have conducted research through us who have published on how to do how to have a sex positive approach to handling victims how to have a sex positive approach to handling offenders and that these approaches can really help reduce crime can reduce negative stigma can reduce it comes cool is that would that be on your website or at some if I if I can follow up with you later cool okay well alright I feel like it’s this is yes. A real blessing and I just want to thank you again for your time and generous sharing of great info so with that said do you want to give the website and any other maybe upcoming events or anything else you’d like to promote and the website is positive sexuality. Org journal and that’s Journal of positive sexuality. Org we have our anniversary party coming up this July so if you want to be invited and want to be a part of that anniversary party will be a fundraiser you can contact me at Emily Emily at positive sexuality. Org or you can go to our website and put in your email address and then you’re on our newsletter list and you’ll get information through our newsletter about our party and we’re hoping we’re putting together an academic conference for next year so look on our website check things out if you go to sex pause khan.com so s e x p o s c o n. Com there’s going to be updated information they’re probably starting in the next couple of weeks for our positive sexuality conference coming up in 2018 in Burbank all right that’s very exciting thank you again yeah that’s me alright thank you so much again and I will hopefully I’ll be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite sex if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. Com Thomas gay

Shamanic Revolution 2.0 with Shonagh Home TPP96

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In this episode I’m joined by Shonagh Home, a high priestess of the sacred mushroom to whom I deeply bow! We have been allies for several years now and this is her second appearance on the show. We discuss cultural transformation, ecology, activism and more from a radical psychedelic shamanic perspective.

She blesses us with two powerful poems, and countless gems of insight with which to break spells, get well and get free!

About Shonagh:

Shonagh Home is a shamanic therapist, teacher, writer and poet. Her specialized private sessions and retreats are probing and revelatory, assisting clients to break chronic, self-defeating patterns, and move into empowered personal sovereignty. Shonagh is an international public speaker on the subject of visionary shamanic-spirit medicine, a voice for stewardship of the honeybees, and a teacher on the subject of Traditional Foods. She is author of the books, ‘Ix Chel Wisdom: 7 Teachings from the Mayan Sacred Feminine,’ ‘Love and Spirit Medicine,’ ‘Poetic Whispers from the Green Realms,’ and ‘Honeybee Wisdom: A Modern Melissa Speaks.’
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http://www.shonaghhome.com/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Tantra Punk podcast episode number 96 it’s a distinguished honor I have here to be on Skype with Shana home who is one of the top mushroom priestesses is it living on Earth today and it’s been a serious hero enough mine and I deeply bow down to her we’ve been sort of parallel Journeys over the years and we did an interview discussion a few couple years back called shamanic Revolution we talked about her background so you can you can refer to that episode to get caught up on more of her life story and accomplishments M but we’re now just going to kind of roll into updates from what she’s been doing and in her you know sort of college in alchemical cauldron of spiritual intellectual development really sophisticated critique and understanding of what we’re up against and what some skills and tools some tactics we can use on the front lines of the shamanic Revolution to heal and liberate and Empower ourselves in each other and now more than ever I think our medicine is being sought out in your medicine for sure is of the highest quality so if you want to just say a few words what you been up to since we last talked and then I’m sure we’ll have lots of Defense at 2 to about what’s happening show but thank goodness I will say that I put a new book out recently called poetic Whispers from the green realm and I will definitely read some of that poetry and so there’s two chapters I wrote for that book and then there’s 50 some odd poems and so I will say that I never wrote poetry before I start working with the mushroom and I never didn’t and so a couple years after I start working with the mushroom and I think we’re now going on 5 years here poetry started coming to me and so when I started doing a little research you know to write the chapters for this book I discovered that the original poets were the shamans and that poetry NC igenex substances were directly connected to Poetic inspiration and so you know we have the editors of the Norse Traditions is lengthy poetic Mythic story and in there they speak of the Mead which is honey wine which was spiked it would be spiked with medicinal herbs that would be spiked with inebriating herbs and so it was it was said that whoever drinks from which becomes a poet or a scholar and then we have Soma art of India and that was also associated with poetic inspiration and then we have the Oracles of Delphi and DeDona and the delphic Oracle as they would whether they were breathing in the esalen gases that took them into hydrant States or they were actually drinking psychoactive Bundchen’s they would prophesy and poetic hexameter and so it is it’s a kind of meter you know like poetry is is metered know they’ll be no 3 4 lines you know and then there’s stanzas and what not and I mean it can be very intricate in intricate and how the poem is this is created and so you know some of the greatest poets where the The Bard’s from from my people that the Celts and those people studied for 15 years and nothing was written down and and then they were given the title Olam and and so these these folks were they had to memorize something like 20,000 different you know poems and and and and myths and stories and and what not and so an interesting ly something that the that I read in my research that The Bard’s would do is they would go into a very dark kind of Tavern Thai place and and then spend time there until they received poetic inspiration now that’s interesting because there is a practice that you can do to turn on the pie Neil to to turn on your own energy Mt where you stay in Pitch Darkness or you know. Of time whatever it is a few weeks if you let you know what your month or whatever it is and that will you know turn on your your DMT and so anyway I just thought it was very interesting but there is a quote goodbye Barbara tadlock PhD she wrote a book that I highly recommend called the woman in the Shaman’s body and she wrote that quote shamans are Sears oracles and Poets and their artistic language creates a healing path for their patients and and I love I love that cuz I really I realized I live in the spirit of that you know I can I have the ability to communicate I have the ability to write and now it’s results of my work with the mushroom I have the ability to essentially Channel this gorgeous poetry and end so you have come into connection I speak very candidly about this with these Spirit intelligences through my work with seat mushroom and and you know that was you know long known to shamanic people be there earlier paean people or you know the Maya were in Africa where you know you connect with no the plant teacher and or Atwell a tutelary spirit a spirit that will and intelligence that will teach you and and which comes which came first I like to ask the mushroom for the shaman right so Apprentice myself to the mushroom in those beings have been teaching me and so so yes so this just beautiful poetry has been coming force and I’m so now when I work with the mushroom I will you know just have a digital recorder with me and I speak the way I’m speaking you now but it’s totally poetry it’s the beings speaking through and everything Rhymes and it just flows and so a mutual friend of ours came to work with me something that I’m also doing now as I am doing one-on-one Retreats and it’s for 4 days and that person comes and stays in my arm and I feed them and I teach them and we go very very very deep and you know ceremony in the whole deal it sits and it is highly transformative and so this person you and I know came in August and that happened to be over the August full moon and so you know there was one night where ceremony occurred and she was good to go and for the next 2 hours I just whispered into my recorder and and it was the the elves speaking through me and so I I’m starting to speak more candidly about this because really what I see that I am is a fairy Shaman and now I am not talking about Tinkerbell and I am and I’m not talking about the Victorian gossamer Wings little you know sexy Pixies no no no no no no no no the FAE were long known to the Irish and the Scottish people and also you know the Scandinavians and and you know there are tribes in Africa who speak of nature spirits who are are very similar in resemblance to these what they are is there ancient nature intelligences and it’s the thought they were ancestral or that our ancestors you know went to the fairy Realms when they passed and in Ireland they are known as the tuatha de danaan and it’s Friday Donna and was a race of Godlike beings they were very very high magicians and they lived in Ireland for a time until the sons of Mill showed up and there was a battle and and a two-headed on and lost that battle and so they retreated below into the Mounds and and into they were in a living beneath the Earth but there was you know you could communicate with them and so so yeah so I was deeply in connection with these beings as I have been on the on the mushroom in any case then in September I went to Scotland and it was a pilgrimage for me and I save my shackles and went out there and I went to the outer Hebrides Scotland and spent time and ancient stone circles and there with no mushroom and believe I actually had the mushroom but I wasn’t able to use it when I was there I was able to procure it there but I wasn’t able to use it and I thought this is very interesting cuz I knew this was heart of a Acela learning I was receiving that deer you know you don’t have to have it you know you’ve been turned on you know cuz it does change you forever and so and they said the gates you will stand before will open and so I would stand in the circle tonight I just I take my digital recorder with me everywhere cuz I never know when this poetry is going to flow and it just absolutely flowed through me when I was there no mushroom necessary and then when I came home from Scotland I essentially brought what I was told her new mentors home with me and and I was when I would wake up in the morning as I was Awakening they were speaking to me and poetry and so I was bringing my digital recorder to bed with me so that in the morning as the poem came through I could speak it and so I will share because I think this will really speak to you and there is it’s truly beautiful and and I don’t write like this you know but the way they play with words is is quite something and the and the Poetry is deeply encoded and so up I want to read this yeah I think you will you evil quite appreciate this so I called his old Spirits speak and say this is what they said that’s exactly what they fear of that you realize what you’re made of the constructs is a sorcerer spell designed by those who know full well the power of their words of art they can initiate the start of any Trend that they designed to keep the flock they watch in line change will come when mine start opening then the dawn of what you were hoping we’ll and Sue to shift the pace this death march by the human race must be reversed that’s why we’re here deceptions Mists we pledge to clear each of you has been assigned a royal play to realign the threads that we’ve this current hell your actions here will fare quite well to shift the subtle frequencies so more spoke begin to see with inner eye to realize the tricks by those who are disguised as well-known personalities who manipulates the crowd with these lists years is a hologram and we deliver telegram that though the claws have dug in deep and though the masses are asleep eval was made far in the past that it is time we raise our Mast and sail into the stormy sea to raise our great Humanity to Heights once thought and possibly ambitious for such an undertaking yes this has been most painstaking though right now more of you waking this the time we’ve been awaiting see their fear all that surveillance see the One World dark Alliance they are under the impression they’re above divisive action which they spread among the crowd cups divided lost and proud but they cannot control each other they are going to have one mother of a vast Rift all among their Web of Lies that they have strong this tears we’ve been counting on in the meantime spread your song of what can be when hearts are strong and minds are clear to Virgil angst the many who are so confused their precious Souls have being abused and so the magic that you carry isn’t simply airy-fairy this tear has for long been crafted by the lifetimes you’ve and acted now it’s your moment all of you we will give more than a few instructions clever that he’ll use take your folk Beyond this ruse never let your good Hearts waiver in those temples lives the Saviour you awakened ones of light Illuminating this Dark Knight and Gathering wants more to cast a spell you’ve trained for that has vast effects upon this sacred place that’s home to many kinds of race now all the gateways open here’s the moment you’ve been hoping will occur on planet Earth songs were written of this birth that Springs forth from within the mind a realization of the kind that holds the course dramatically when of a sudden people see this thing’s electric think how fast when switch is flipped the light is Cass and everything you didn’t see is now before you quite clearly how many changes coming near Children of the light don’t fear but rather senior gifts with joy and with good wisdom you’ll destroy the spell that captivates the many what you carry Concord anything that they have up their sleeve you simply in your mind conceive of what you were before you came and when you realize you are the same will deers consider that in mind and ancient spell you will unbind the great wand of antiquity is buried where you cannot see where you’ve been taught to look outside and not within where it resides you are ready now to find the Holy Grail within your mind the sacred places you have been hold keys there that remain unseen unless you trained for many lives to cut through Darkness with your knives those sorts of light you hold with Grace look in the mirror at your face look in your eyes that dance there light you a warrior here to fight a battle that is ancient old and now the time stories told when Beauty beings Fair install will once again appear to all and help you dear ones at this time he’d the power of this rhyme for this is just the start of things as people of the fairy rings cast their magic spells around so once more Earthly folk can found a time of peace upon this Earth a time when you are good folk can birth the frequencies of living grace who’s energies will heal this place is so amazing so beautiful I just want to resurrect Jim Hanson to make this into a hole production or has got to be a new wave of children’s books and cartoons and action figures and dolls and roll out I’ve always felt that you were the one to be the wisdom keeper and sort of the the one that those whatever artistic needs that you would like to have a team above the crew built around you to take this type of narration and make it into every form of physical object media format whatever so that it can actually compete and as is memes that mean it’s all it’s all the way in a very detached kind of social scientific way of looking at things I mean whether you know whatever esoteric tradition you followers or not it’s really you want to have wholesome regenerative ecological you know fashion and lifestyle and everything that people just sort of consume I mean it’s just a matter of making a better option available that puts the the less sustainable or desirable options obsolete so I next thing I want to ask you is of the women and the mothers you know who were trying to design a mythology about what’s happening on Earth what do you mean you’re one of them right so I just can only imagine how difficult it would be to be taking responsibility for Parenthood with a shamanic perspective and ecological perspective if you no excetera you know how and how do you how do you translate this into into the kinds of resources and Tool kits that would be needed for new in an entirely new alternative educational system that actually has a I mean like what you could be doing the Waldorf of shamanic K through 12 you know but based on all this stuff I mean I don’t even know you know what’s out there so if that makes any sense as a question you know if this is how do we get the audience to grow for what you’re channeling okay so first of all turn off your TV throw it out I would say be very very careful with media you know there’s so much you know that I know now that I didn’t know when I first had my children right and and it is amazing to think also you know this this how much technology has taken over our lives you know since then and it’s a double-edged sword do you know on one hand you can glean a lot of great information on another thing it’s another and it’s kind of like the wild west cuz there’s a lot of garbage to sort through as well and and it can be very addictive and level up in any case you know I would have done some things very differently you know had I known back then I have two daughters 16 and 19 you know what I know now for so I would not have vaccinated them I know that’s it something if heated debate but I will say that you know he human beings have managed to live on this Earth and pretty harsh conditions you know for a very very very long time and you know with no vaccines and and as someone who knows quite a lot has researched a tremendous amount on on ancestral Foods you know our ancestors were way stronger than we are today we are pretty much a shadow at this point you know of what we used to be you know is physical strength and emotional and mental wherewithal and Clarity and all of that you know so you know the good news is you know we can call that back by embracing Foods we used to eat but you know just good luck trying to find milk if it’s you know illegal in your state blah blah blah but you know so I would not have had my girls vaccinated and I wish I knew about traditional foods you know what I know now back then you know cuz I would have done that differently as well and I would have homeschooled and so I think it is very important to understand you know this is this is about breaking spells and everything that we’ve been told that we’ve been raised under has been you know presented to us and our parents and our grandparents okay by this we’re in a commercial system and and so it controls our education it controls our media you know certain interest within their now there’s the comedian George Carlin does a fantastic feel and this is stand-up comedy and holy shit like this was no joke he’s talking about education and why it will never change and he’s like people you need to understand something right now you know you are owned you are owned and these politicians those are just those are just figureheads put there so that you think you owe me I vote for this guy I have some amount of power here he’s like the real people with the you know the Reigns of Power are hidden they’re not out there they’re not in your gossip magazines and what not and they own everything they own the land you live on that you know they they put together the institutions and this and this and this and and so it’s a very important to to really start to take a wide view and start to see this the system for what it is and and start to say okay you know what I am no longer going to you don’t give Credence to you know what the FDA says or the CDC or you know what whatever and it doesn’t matter who becomes president you know all these people crying cuz Hillary didn’t win she’s a disgusting Pig so and so’s Trump okay look essentially the Clinton crime family didn’t win the Trump crime family won this is a criminal Syndicate and also divide and conquer goes back to Rome and Beyond look how polarized we are ban look how polarized we are oh my God and God forbid oh my God anyone say oh yeah you know I actually do like you know that one thing Trump is doing all my God people will jump all over that person right and I just been sitting back looking watching back and forth back and forth going people this is the oldest trick so they keep the silly mughals fighting among themselves whether it’s pro-choice or pro-life or republican Democrat liberal conservative as always two sides there’s never a third is there it’s just always to fight fight fight you know and that’s why I don’t I don’t go into the two end of the feminist vote either I’m like nope I’m not going there I’m not feminist I’m not I say we all we all need to respect each other and treat each other well and raise our children that way I mean the golden rule is pretty easy to understand you know you treat others the way you yourself would be treated and at the same time don’t be a fool you know because there are a lot of bad people out there as well but anyway I think I’m going off his attention here but in any case so yeah so taking that step back and starting to see the constructs for what it is and realize something everybody that you know we have lost our mythology we have lost our tribes we have lost connection to our old gods and goddesses you know what I think of the Scottish people I mostly Scottish you know there was a huge battle that the Scots my people fought in the 1700s they fought you know the Brits who wear whatever controlled by Rome or whatever the deal with that this is God’s got their asses handed to them on a platter with a very bloody battle and they just massacred that man in that after that battle so much was lost in that culture and then the Scots were not allowed to wear their Clan Kilts their tartans or something like 56 years if they were caught they were sent out of the country or punished severely so you know what that’s so in other words and so here we are in this Melting Pot which were told oh yeah let’s Embrace diversity everybody you know what it is it’s just putting us all into a corporate sameness and so everybody is losing their culture I don’t care if you’re Chinese or you know American Indian Scottish or what we’re all you know losing touch and so then and then so when you do that when you do that to a people then essentially the government think your will be your new god listen to us and we will create the institutions will create the education will create the media and and I’m not setting to Media is a weapon television the reason why I don’t have a television and I don’t want you know what I can’t I can’t even watch movies anymore because I can see the social engineering and so this is sorcery sorcery is manipulation and so television you’re telling a vision and then what are you watching on the television program and then interesting Lee what do you do what do you change to watch a different program to channel okay and then media is too short for a medium a medium another thing for a medium bring through you know Spirit entities and what not and so this medium is bringing through you know these programs and of course you go into a trance just like a medium does go into a light trance makes you very suggestive and then all sorts of programming and all of those family fun shows and even those clever shows you think are soaked you know I can’t even think of the Grey’s Anatomy and all that horseshit they’re loaded it’s all programming to get you to identify with those characters in that oh yeah that’s how things are you know that’s how that’s how it is and so it’s all inducting you into this sort of way of being and also so in other words we used to tell stories we used to tell stories do you know I realized I realized I could check this out I realize this a few weeks ago or last month it occurred to me oh my God I was initiated into the Celtic Mysteries by my Irish Grandma who is off the boat from Ireland should full Irish accent and she was a master Storyteller will the Irish have been known for that you know Master storytellers their storytellers in every culture but you know that I was really been known for this and she would speak very quietly so we’d have to show and listen to these Amazing Stories and she tells stories about that the fairies and The Kelpies and the Banshees and she was an amazing Storyteller and and then I call my mom later that day I said hey you know it occurred to me I told her that and my mom said I cannot believe you’re calling with me me with a Shana guess what today is an I said what and she said today is your grandmother’s birthday she’s been dead for years you know I didn’t know in any case but so you know we would we would share the stories of our ancestors and astrology and so all of that has been okay and so with that then you know you have children growing up identifying with their folk right and feeling like I am part of this and this is magical and this is ancient and there’s heroes in this lineage and there’s you know this and this and now would we have with TV so it’s not that hard it’s not that great of a leap of logic right to imagine that adults would reaxis some of that imaginary fun making Instinct rape American coach Leisure we would look down on play and we look down on make-believe and so we decide that’s just for children and it’s not for grown ups and I think that that’s a really horrible horrible perspectives of the world cuz you’re only a child for a very very brief point of your life and you’re an adult for a really really long part of your life and wouldn’t I don’t want to stop playing would you want to grow up ever and so yeah I think of BDSM I think erotic play I feel like yeah it’s just this extension of your creativity and artistic and Tristan and your means of expressing yourself and now you get to have sex so why wouldn’t you add that and everything else thank you for helping to frame it that way cuz that it’s it’s so it’s easier to digest when you when I just have never heard that what that phrase before but it just erotic play being obviously it means that you could incorporate more than just your one monogamous married partner that’s just still only allowed that culturally they by the mainstream the idea of being sexually playful with a group of people in the community of people as a social activity like a cocktail party or a mixer or I mean why can’t you believe make break into play make-believe you know the okay fine I just I’m this is my partner this is the only person I’m going to have sex with her I’m going to be in love with or however you’re defining that but I can pretend for the next hour or two that there’s someone I’ve never met before or that there a superhero or that a magical being or whatever and that can really shift your erotic interest in your erotic pleasure I think you probably would be able to say that it will make a lot of relationships last longer and be more Pap more healthier happier for sustainable resilient cuz you’re not getting bored and giving up and going you know stoic that’s great so do you have a key tell it tell me more about the center and how it how it runs and functions is it kind of like a drop-in center or do you have only certain events at certain times or how does the facility time work out we don’t actually have a physical location most of it exists inside my laptop and out of and that means we don’t have to pay for rent so that’s why we go to where we need to go so you know we have regular meetings happen in my house or one of the other board members houses we do have some events here and there are a lot of our fundraisers or just online to make it easier to reach as many people as possible and of course we’re trying to reach a broader audience than just Los Angeles so we Skype workshops we Skype things we’ve talked to classes in New York and classes in Idaho and you know all over the place so you know we do a lot of different things we also have an academic Journal that you’re positive sexuality it’s free it’s open access anyone is welcome to use it and read it and submit work to it and you know that’s been going we’re now in our third year of publication of that and that is hitting a worldwide audience some of the countries that are accessing this are it’s all over in Australia and in Belgium and in various parts of the UK and it’s hitting parts of Asia Japan so it’s really really great so we have a very wide reach and what we do we have approximately 50 to 60 volunteers who work with us we also have an internship program so we get college students who want internship credits or what the work experience and so they volunteer for a specific. Of time and work on specific projects for us at different times of the year we get most of our interns during the summer but we get interns year-round and we have in our volunteers so we have Educators we have people who are research Affiliates and who published research and use the center is one of their professional affiliations we have research assistants who helped them we do you work with events so we do some Outreach events I think on Wednesday we’re going to UCLA sextravaganza which is been happening for several years on UCLA’s campus that we usually set up a booth are we do that with other things around town we’ve also have members some of our volunteers go to conferences all over the world and represent us at different places and in different areas where they were very popular in Melbourne just found out from a friend who’s been living in Australia for past couple years so I can’t I guess we’ll have to go there at some point cool it’s a new cloud-based model it’s elegant and overhead in the neighborhood drama and that there’s a lot of reasons to transcend that six location and you can if you can be a mobile you know unit then you can just take your your your laptop and projector and some you know what your handouts or whatever you have in this b a and again because true using Skype and using other types of internet programs you know we can get into a classroom you know that might not be able to bring us there physically but we can still do it will set it up on our end and and just stream live stream wherever we need to be and and it’s very helpful to cuz we so we have volunteers I think are farthest away volunteer that we’ve had so far was in Trinidad so we can have volunteers from anywhere in the world who can work with us medication programs and so they help us Creator update or education resources in our reference materials and putting together things to help teachers facilitate this in their classes they might actually be one of our Educators we train people to go out to those classes and to give presentations to places we have research assistants to make come in with a certain amount of background knowledge and how to do academic research and some come in just wanted to learn it and so we trained them and they work with people who are doing research in various aspects of positive sexuality and so some of them get to co-author papers and some of them get to work on the ground floor of research happening and get to really get into what that is and have a voice and have an influence in what’s being done in the academic world and this is course then starts to affect policy when we’re putting scientific research in front of people and saying here this is what the says that’s not the correct or let them besides these aspects and that can be very very helpful we work with other organizations so and CSF the National Coalition for sexual freedom is one of our sort of co-working his nation’s the community academic Consortium for research on alternative sexualities we work with them as well yeah I’m getting chills yeah I’m getting chills cuz this is a lot more than I bargained for and actually seeking a lot of what you’re describing and to have yeah we hope we have a good bit of time last time feeling compelled to ask you a little bit about I guess hey if you’re into taboos right blowing them there is all I ever believed starting this week there’s going to be the biggest psychedelic science conference in the history of humanity happening in the Bay Area it’s put together by that multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and the there’s a lot of really important cutting-edge legal for the first time in decades studies happening all over the world with psilocybin you know I gave magic mushrooms and MDMA and Ayahuasca and marijuana and peyote and I will gain a number of other synthetic and natural organic you could say psychedelic compounds in a lot of it is at this point in this stage of the Renaissance of research it’s really about proving the safety the relative safety of different compounds getting the dosage to be sort of understood better at also having some really important clinical trials around ending ending addiction to harmful drugs ending cigarette addiction end-of-life anxiety sexual abuse and Trauma and PTSD from War veterans there’s all these different the demographics that are starting to have really groundbreaking results and they’re doing you know they’re putting in the millions of dollars to do the the research for all this and so I bring that up just to say that this is an interesting juncture for me because the a cultural cliche about sex drugs and rock and roll and you know the way that the culture of inebrians is starting to move a large part due to Raves and festivals it’s moving more towards entheogens than just Coke and heroin and meth and booze there’s more opportunities for people who are coming into their sexuality to have access to psychedelic experiences and so there’s the new Alchemy of innocent in these Generations between sex drugs and rock and roll and if it’s it’s it’s it’s a lot more sophisticated and advanced and and and just more diverse in many ways than it was in the 60s when it was you know Acid Rock and LSD and other birth of the the hippie movement in the 60s but I’m wondering if you have in your position they’re come across any any any people who are interested in in rigorous academic study of what this new sex and drugs and rock and roll Paradigm it is shaping up to become if there’s anyone interested in that that you know of he’s been there are definitely people who are starting who are doing research on these topics and very often the connection that ends up happening in the academic research is you know if we’re looking at the sex drugs and rock and roll that of course is going to look at the outcomes and too often I think the the outcome that gets stressed is okay so what’s the what’s the public health issue so is it possible or is it likely that people are might be transmitting STIs because they might be under the influence of something or maybe they can’t we do we have to worry about consent if someone is under the influence of something that then means that they cannot now consent to what happens at that point so what happens if everybody who’s involved have done that so where does that line get drawn so I think a lot of the issues that have come up in recent research has been either on public health topics around STI transmission or on consent topics recognizing that at least by law if someone is inebriated for example they can now no longer consent to sexual activity okay so what happens if everybody involved. That’s so interesting yet that’s exactly what I’ve been actually encountering and in just by life experiences it’s there’s there’s a lot of people now who were you can say you were having expanded Consciousness through empty agentic use meaning it’s kind of a nice way of saying psychedelic no drugs but but that’s an important consideration because just because you feel like you’re enlightened than that one with God doesn’t mean that you’re immune from being the perpetrator with that Enlightenment that you don’t think you have a potential for abuse and even if it’s not that sort of shady you know where that sort of Insidious there’s also just the issue you’re not in your body if you’re having an out-of-body ecstatic psychedelic experience how how do you get even if you can send it to the idea of something earlier in the evening that has to be held through somehow and if you lose the if you become somebody else or part of your higher self or whatever it could be theirs that’s some chicky territory for sure yeah so that’s I guess there’s you know that I’ve seen like at electronic dance music events you can call him Rave but that’s kind of more you know probably more accurate term these days cuz there’s within that whole world there’s different camps and it’s more no more more bride to just called electronic dance music these days but you know there is there’s sort of harm reduction education Outreach groups that put out one sheet kind of look like glass CD mailer cards you know about business matters and they have kind of a profile of what the different substances how did how to test and make sure that they’re real or are what you’re getting it like that there’s that whole harm reduction education Outreach approach that is kind of like what you’re talking about but it’s for the party scene in just for best and better practices around that but I could see that they’re being a sum interest group of people where they would want to see things the way you’re talking about it cuz I actually no way you’re framing it it it feels like there’s a lot more due diligence for people that want to be credible and respectable and using best practices to actually think with some of these analytical tools so I’m hoping you’ll be great if there was some overlap or or or Synergy with all this stuff I think more and more what is happening as we’re seeing the people who are actually involved in all of these different spaces you know the people were actually doing whatever it is we’re talking about having more influence on the research that’s being conducted so that it creates a more authentic overall experience and I think it adds a level of legitimacy to the research so rather than a researcher sort of from on high saying well I’m going to study this group and I think what they’re doing may not be safe and so we know the perspective that I’m going to come about with this is that well this is already inherently unsafe and now I’m going to show you why it’s in safe and I think more and more we have researchers who are in these communities who are in these faces or doing all of these things and you say you know maybe we need to do is talk to the people who were actually doing this and not talk to them with a preconceived notion of what’s going on or what they’re experiencing or what may be happening but go in just as a hey could give us some information to tell us about what’s happening and I think we’re seeing more of that so there has been research on for example like barebacking and there’s been research on sex workers experiences and there’s been research on sort of the the spiritual some of the spiritual Connections in the spiritual extremes that can be experienced through extreme SM activities light hookah coals and those kinds of things so we’re seeing more and more of that happening where people who are actually in these groups are part of the subcultures are also crossovers into the academic life and we’re just seeing an amazing amount of research that starting to Bubble to the surface and get a little bit of space. I think this research has been getting done for quite a while but it can be really hard to get it published because some of the academic Publishers don’t want to hear about it and I want you to my is any of these things so if they publish something on it they want to be really careful so with our journal and with some of the other journals out there we’ve been able to bridge. Cap and actually be able to show some I feel like more authentic stories well absolutely will now in this world have so many The Gatekeepers being dissolved by the power of the internet I feel like you know there’s a lot of bad journalism or untrained journalism so there’s got to be a lot of bad or untrained or Incredible or uncredible research but maybe it’s the methodology that can be what’s the word sort of feel like I could imagine what as you were speaking I was imagining will wouldn’t it be great to train the you know that like the anthropological participation observation ethnography kind of model but if you were to train if you were coming from that subculture and you wanted to sort of document your tribe and produce your own ethnography kind of amongst your friends kind of tabulate experiences and collect notes insured compare notes is there was you recommend any kind of Crash Course doing data collection for different types of research paper I’m doing ethnography in the field and sort of how that works and how you can sort of pull everything together there’s a really good little guidebooks you know a quick online search for for some of these guys are out there and ask her if she is amazing stuff I love doing a photography by the way I think it’s an incredible tool that doesn’t get use nearly enough and and it got a lot of researchers a colleague of mine she recently did a photographic ethnographic working with lgbtq Foster Youth and homeless Youth and kind of went out gave them all cameras and said take photographs of Your World of your life of who you are, and they did a whole art show you know like found a gallery in Downtown LA and just played everyone’s photographs and and you know really got people connected to them and seeing them as people who have life experiences and they’re not just sort of a category of disadvantaged kids so yeah I think there’s there’s an easy guide books out there just like a quick you can find some quick little things of how to do ethnography and how to do that and but I think a lot of that to starts with her own storytelling so things that you do and things that others do and and all the bloggers out there and everything of these are all forms of ethnography relay yeah that’s cool it’s just that it’s exciting and hopeful cuz I feel that I’m at a point where I’m doing kind of pseudo-scientific Rogue radical research that’s way too far out for any government agency or any academic institution to touch with a ten-foot pole so it’s it’s kind of on me and my colleagues and friends 2 do this sort of underground research but then hope that it it’s done in a way that it can be respectable or it can be legitimated later you know but it is probably good to do what you’re suggesting and actually have some some templates for collecting the data that mean okay here’s what would our experiment yielded and here’s the methodology in the procedure and you can test it on your own Hardy or lab or whatever replicate what you’ve done and so can you give enough information that would allow somebody else to replicate and get similar results in their own place or find totally different results which is also fascinating injured and interesting and yeah and I think that’s really I mean that’s science that is science Sciences pushing boundaries and science is you now let’s try a new thing and see what happens and science is telling a new story or New Perspective of a story and you know I think that that’s been lost over the past many years Society The Sciences inquiry science is asking questions and wondering why thing happens and how something happens and trying to figure that out and I think that we’ve sort of collectively as a larger society have sort of lost that Focus write the word crowdsourced crowd-source funding crowdsourced ideas and editing and an art I mean you were talking about that at that photo gallery exhibit and that’s a great example if you would call that a crowd-sourced ethnographic oh yeah photojournalism nice oh yeah that’s cool that’s that’s exciting time so I’m also wondering now do you have do you do you or your organization the Center provide any kind of consulting services or any kind of where you could be hired or you could be sort of commissioned to do research or to consult on Research I don’t know that we’re I don’t know that anybody is really hired to do research cuz wouldn’t it be fantastic if someone will pay for that but that doesn’t happen if we do get hired as consultants for a variety of things so either individuals within the organization or the collective organization May consult on certain projects or consult on like creative curriculum for a particular thing and we have individuals who are consulted on court cases and I’m legal issues so so there’s a lot of that we also get hired by professionals like to teach professional workshops on various topics so that happens as well because we’re a nonprofit although those things are often we you know ask for fee cuz usually the people who were asking for these services are people who can pay for it but what going out to the schools we’re going to colleges in touch or we have a student group asked us to come and do something with them or like what you know we go to somebody’s community of answer something we may ask for an honorarium but we’re going to do this stuff for free so we really depend on our donors and our contributors and the people who support us to kind of give us the funding that we need in order to do what we want to do and and to publishing and all the other stuff so our journals available for free most of our Outreach staff and education program is all for free so yeah a lot of what we do depends on donations as opposed to people actually hiring us officially to do something right on that sounds like a healthy well-rounded multi Revenue stream nonprofit you’re definitely fulfilling your mission in so many beautiful dimensions and I’m just really happy to know that we’ve connected to some really feel better about living in the world with you more offline 2 just to explore some of these Consulting opportunities that you have and see what we’re about and all of that stuff were completely volunteer so none of us are paid for what we do I don’t run a paycheck nobody wants a paycheck that’s completely volunteer and yeah we’re just we’re just trying to let you know we just try to bring it enough funds to keep going and to keep doing what we’re doing and to expand so we’re actually going to be expanding our face-to-face education program out to Chicago over the next few months so Craig can you do that that’s well thank you so much that’s great I feel like it’s it’s really refreshing to to hear that there are people out there who are so dedicated to the cause that it’s that you did not just going to slam the door in your face if you don’t write a check if you know the first five minutes if you’re not going to bill me for this podcast interview right now about an hour into it is do you have a sort of committee or task force or team or just even a person who is either because they are a trauma Survivor or because it’s just near and dear to their hearts whatever reason is there you do consent workshops in self-defense or rape and assault prevention and any any more of the or any any of the sort of preventative and treatment kind of education unpreparedness we do have programs around consent we don’t really specifically talk about self defense or or right prevention in the standard sense so we don’t really talk about here’s what you can do to prevent being raped we talked about here’s what you can do to not rape someone because really this is not on the victim this is on the perpetrator but we also talked about you know here’s other ways that you might think about your sexual self and your identity in the power dynamics that you may interact with and find consensual outlets for some of your interests and behaviors and the citiz and you know we talked about a wide range of those things so it would be great if the people who are doing the Rape Crisis counseling and who are just in the trenches of dealing with battered women and in and going in and and doing you know investigations to catch meant to prosecute the perpetrators of all ages if they were I would let it would be great if in it you know in a perfect world they were seeking you all to educate themselves on better prevention and better version or diversion from the criminal whole that the response like they’re coming as the First Responders two incidents that would have been prevented by a proper education on all sides right and we do have we do have information so some of our researchers and and because we have people who are social workers who have conducted research through us who have published on how to do how to have a sex positive approach to handling victims how to have a sex positive approach to handling offenders and that these approaches can really help reduce crime can reduce negative stigma can reduce it comes cool is that would that be on your website or at some if I if I can follow up with you later cool okay well alright I feel like it’s this is yes. A real blessing and I just want to thank you again for your time and generous sharing of great info so with that said do you want to give the website and any other maybe upcoming events or anything else you’d like to promote and the website is positive sexuality. Org journal and that’s Journal of positive sexuality. Org we have our anniversary party coming up this July so if you want to be invited and want to be a part of that anniversary party will be a fundraiser you can contact me at Emily Emily at positive sexuality. Org or you can go to our website and put in your email address and then you’re on our newsletter list and you’ll get information through our newsletter about our party and we’re hoping we’re putting together an academic conference for next year so look on our website check things out if you go to sex pause khan.com so s e x p o s c o n. Com there’s going to be updated information they’re probably starting in the next couple of weeks for our positive sexuality conference coming up in 2018 in Burbank all right that’s very exciting thank you again yeah that’s me alright thank you so much again and I will hopefully I’ll be in touch soon thank you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite sex if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at kontrapunkt. Com Thomas gay

Hacking the Sex Industry with Pro Gigolo Vin Armani TPP95

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Vin Armani PicIn this episode I’m joined by Vin Armani a new personal hero of mine, a veteran in the entertainment and sex industries, and an empowering role model for the new sacred masculine paradigm.

We explore his background as a computer hacker, his spiritual initiations, political philosophies, and adventurous career as a professional gigolo and reality tv star.

We discuss the role of sexual-spiritual healers in Las Vegas and beyond. Ultimately, we share hope that personal pathways of consciousness evolution, healing, growth and transformation can be developed by anyone anywhere through the embodiment of divine feminine energy.

Please visit his website to watch his show and connect with him on social media:
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About Vin:

Vin Armani is an author and entrepreneur, best known as the star of the long running Showtime reality series, “Gigolos.” The show focuses on the lives of straight male escorts in Las Vegas. Armani has been en elite escort for close to a decade and has detailed his personal philosophy on love, sex and relationships in his book, Tao Of The Gigolo. Vin is also the host of The Vin Armani Show on Activist Post, a live, weekly streaming video program focused on exploring ideas of personal liberty.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 95 I am here on Skype with vin Armani who I recently discovered through the survival Podcast of which I’m a devotee I’ve been listening for years almost every episode and was really pleasantly surprised to hear some of the topics for probably the first time go into what I call sexual Capital One of the forms of capital and how it can be used to do really amazing ethical things with the right the right mindset and so I really appreciate hearing Jack and then talked about a lot of them kind of hacker mentality around sexuality in an economics and we also have some similar spiritual history as a matter of fact so we’ll probably get into that later but for now Vin if you would just give us a bit of your background let us know what led you to be coming now a world famous reality TV show start of the smash-hit series Gigolos which I can’t wait to check out as well I just found out about it so please take it away that you should definitely check out Gigolos you will love it no doubt it’s a it’s a very fun show it’s been now seven seven years six seasons of doing the show and it’s it’s basically is what it’s turned into now is a buddy comedy about five of us who work for the agency that I work for all straight male escorts working for cowboys4angels which is the agency that I work for and yeah it’s a high chance that we get into as far as I know in terms of reality TV I think we were the first show that ever showed and maybe the only reality show at this point it’s on Showtime and the first one to show full frontal male nudity which for the first three seasons was pretty much every episode you were guaranteed to see that so it’s a it’s been a cool experience and very egalitarian show I think it shows a different side of sexuality and that’s definitely a show for this time. Something out I’m I’m really actually proud to have been a part of and it’s through that show that obviously as my profession I’ve become more well-known along with my co-stars our agency is now very very popular but and now you know I was you caught me on podcast are the survival Podcast so now it’s been about 6 months that I would say I’ve been out of the closet more politically in terms of really wanting to take a stand and put forward and help to push forward some more libertarian voluntaryist views views about freedom in general you know I’ve been a big proponent of sexual freedom for my entire life and explored it quite a bit and that’s been important to me but you know we are whole creatures and sex is just one aspect that was a huge aspect obviously but it’s one aspect of its it could be a vehicle for Learning and it’s it’s been a vehicle for my own expression and so you know being a six-figure and in helping people to express themselves more fully sexually I wanted to push that forward as well so I mean my we can talk about how far back my background goes in terms of this exploration like I say it’s been pretty much my entire adult life and and I would say really at the start of adolescence that I’ve been trying to better understand myself every aspect of myself and not shying away from certain subjects and I mean if you shy away from sexier you’re really shying away from I would say probably 80% of your waking consciousness so until you have that under control it’s hard to get anything else really managed so you know I guess we can talk about that further as we move on but that’s the that’s the nuts-and-bolts I guess ten thousand foot view of who I am to me if next next level renaissance man in so many ways and I’m totally thrilled I think the you know the topic that I was kind of playing with this I was catching up on some of your previous podcast earlier today was was that the concept of hacking the sex industry I mean really taking a sophisticated approach to having a more spiritual kind of bigger picture worldview Consciousness agenda and and really bringing more Consciousness to sexuality and doing it through the exit actually transforming the industry from the inside out so I would love to hear you know since you’re on that path where what was some of your early initiations and trainings and what were you reading about will you I know you were mentioning that you had studied in spiritual modalities in the East so could you talk a bit about that definitely how you evolved before you got to this point of being a professional Gigolo from about the age of 15 I was Hardcore into hacking so being a hacker is computer hacker is my background and you know when I first met my agent and Garren James and sort of took this on as a part-time gig that I certainly didn’t think would go anywhere but just thought it might be cool adventure I was software developer and even throughout the first couple seasons of the show I was still doing software development and I still do software development now I’ve been working on a actually a blockchain project as recently as a few hours ago so the hacking aspect is still a huge huge part of my life and what are the what are the things about being in the mid-nineties about being a young guy in the early days of the internet was that there was such a high percentage of what I would say a spiritual or occult esoteric information online I mean this was a time when you know there was no Google when I first started getting onto the the web there was just Yahoo and as I recall the first time I type sex in to Yahoo the word sex it return 27 entries so that tells you just how early on early on I was in that sphere but what there was a lot of is if you type in Magic if you typed in Hindu if you type in God if you typed in touch with there was there was quite a bit of information and so early on I got very interested in sort of spiritual finding out these more esoteric and occult to some degree spiritual practices so I found stuff about meditation and I learned that an astral projection and I started to get pretty good at being able to lucid dream and help myself leave my body and so these were things that in my teens I felt very very comfortable and then when I went off to college in DC or Washington DC is a very Multicultural town this is again in like in the late in the late nineties Multicultural town and so I was seeking things out it was in that time that I started learning more about the sexual side of Tantra and at least reading about it I got a tuned to several levels as a Reiki practitioner something that I probably should have kept up over the years but I was I think I was maybe a little too young to really appreciate everything that that practice had to offer it was very for me at that point it was very very intellectual and I didn’t have a big Community when I when I left College of one of the first gigs that I took was as an assistant to a Indian by ethnicity a businessman from Hong Kong and his his wife’s mother was the first female devotee of Tantra Guru India’s traditional when I say x Rod not talking about tantric sex necessarily I’m talking about Tantra as the sort of sect of Hinduism or the reception of Hinduism which means the flight path of bliss and so there were dada’s and DD’s the the monks and Priests of this organization moving sort of in and out around this guy who was a big benefactor for the organization who was my boss and early business mentor of mine so I had a very interesting experience this is when I’m basically like 19 and 20 years old got initiated into Ananda Marga got a chance at majorly study the work of PR sarkar he’s he’s really kind of a unique figure in India that a lot of people don’t know about was actually in prison by Indira Gandhi first several years it was on a hunger strike for extended periods of time so it very very interesting spiritual organization and I got a chance to sort of have my mind flips and two get a different metaphor for interpreting the world while at the same time learning to do business in a very ethical way influenced by this this teacher and disorganization and these these teaching and so that influence my that influence my life greatly and then as I move forward it just left me much more open to to learning and different experiences and it was just a few years after that that I discovered the pickup artist community in Los Angeles and I just drove in head-first but I don’t live in with a very spiritual bent to it and the idea was for me very much cuz I have seen the relationships that I was having as not being very healthy and so it was for me to figure out what is it underneath all of this who do I need to be how do I need to a manifest the best aspect of me so that I am someone that truly a woman being around that I truly make her a better person and that she makes me a better person and what can I do and that set me on a years-long path of exploration and it was really at the end of that path or sort of you might say at the beginning of that path after after I had trained it is sufficient level that low and behold Here Comes this opportunity to see if the market will actually Bear out the things that I held to be true wow almost speechless but actually I have a lot to say to you have a lot of questions cuz if you have if you have a hacker background you probably have a very keen sense of how Tantra is a spiritual technology that’s a lot like electrical engineering so do you want to talk about then whatever extent you know you like how the these elements of the chakra system and activating Kundalini and understanding car make loops and dharmic spiritual purpose send these sort of things are all woven together in the loom of tantric practice how did your Western sort of rational scientific computer programming mind jive with that ancient spiritual technology sort of scriptural a script and scripture if you put the battery in series seven or so yeah just rif on that if you would Wilshire I mean as I said I think in this regard I was very lucky in that like I said being a hacker and being exposed to sort of hidden information and knowing things certainly when I was hacking understanding things about the world and seeing things just in terms of the technology first is understanding how to you know have to pay phone or do all of these different things that that we’re basically manipulating these every day that we think are static things beginning to see that there is a certain dynamism in even the most static thing that was always in school biology and Physiology and psychology were always my favorite subject I was lucky to have really really great teachers and the one thing that kept sticking out to me is that there is always a deeper level there is always a deeper level and so I think when I first discovered and I was probably about 15 16 first discovered practices of lucid dreaming and astral projection it was in those that I that I was first even before being initiated it into a tie into a tantric organization that that’s what I was first exposed to the idea that okay there is an energy system that is at play in our body and at that same time it was it’s not just I mean it’s a metaphor right so if we’re talking about the chakra system if we’re talking about Kundalini these are words but they aren’t description and this is a very important thing that concept that scary through for me in my own life These are descriptions they are they are not and their descriptions of something that is very hard to describe in words because it’s Concepts that are beyond words but they are not the only places where the same thing has been described so for instance you’ve got in in the ancient Jewish tradition in the Kabbalah you’ve got the merkabah and the spirit body and the tree of life and if you lay the the drawings of the ancient Jewish which is Western Mystics again the drawings of the chakra system of the mer-ka-ba of the Tree of Life against the chakra system and you don’t mind by Journeys with Ayahuasca now that’s been just in the past four or five years here we have the Amazon and you know there’s know anybody who’s done Ayahuasca there’s no question that you’re talking about this snake you know what time it’s a Vine and it’s the snake so it’s to say that these metaphors these descriptions of something that is definitely inherent in human nature and that is a technology for increasing our our perception of the world and also increasing our ability to manifest the things that we want in the world through getting better in line with all of these things these metaphors are repeated over and over and over in every culture now it just so happens that the Indian culture is has been surviving Unbroken these metaphors have been surviving and have been worked on for longer out in the open than any other so that’s why it’s the strongest however as a Westerner it’s I found that it’s not necessary at as particularly as a Westerner it’s not necessarily that that metaphor is going to be the one that resonates the strongest with you because there are other metaphors out there but again they’re describing the same thing all of the practices if they if they’re legitimate and if they they’re time-tested they’re all going to take you to basically the same place which is getting back in getting your mind body soul back in tune with one another so that you can manifest what you want in the world so you can get back in tune with the greater vibration of of the world and that spirituality right on that so now I’m actually I’m getting chills because I feel like the empowerment aspect of mastering and turn your internal mastering your internal thoughts KP remind stream your energy and tapping into these ambient energies and really harnessing them and directing them and like you said you know you could choose any system and do the composite and you’ll see how they line up and it’s a universal spiritual technology so what I am so thrilled about another dimension if you’re being that you’re bringing showing up with in the world is the the political aspects and I got to tell you man I came from a and anarchists background you know as the street protester anarcho-punk black black going off the streets and we were all totally post Marxist materialistic totally atheistic rationalist sight of so it’s like the baby out with the holy water missing out on how much spiritual power we could have had an especially the types of bickering that happened in activist organizations that have no perception of the consequences the karmic consequences of just just unnecessary emotional verbal violence within groups and not having ritual purification not having the kind of solidarity that comes from chanting together if you know what I mean you probably get that in a lot of people don’t and they’re in the system their masters of black tan chair that’s why you have eyes wide shut and the swastika the Third Reich they Master Township but we’ve lost it the people of us it’s so you know how do you drive with spiritual sort of anarchism and in autonomy and anti Sora tarianism from you know from having that background it is my spirituality that influences my anarchism so you know I I came from a definitely left I would say not full blast Marxist but definitely leaning on to the Socialist side in my youth I think that’s I think that’s fair for someone with high trait openness that I think as you see pretty much go towards collectivism before you know what’s good for you or what’s bad for you you know I was heavily involved in the green party anti-war protester for sure Big Time involved in that and that was in you know that the early 2000s huge part of my life but then I realize that and and this is what informs me now you know I say I’m in I’m an anarchist, voluntaryist what I what I believe is that the use of coercive Force someone to do something anything it doesn’t matter what it is is it is not the ethical or moral passants and really all of our sages that’s been the rule right that’s the Golden Rule do unto others as you would have done unto you like that’s the rule so if you don’t want somebody telling you what to do or using violent Force to tell you what to do if you don’t want somebody else stopping you from speaking if you don’t want somebody else shutting down your your mode of being if you’re not hurting someone else then don’t then don’t do that to others and so when does the State the definition of the state is a group of individuals who claimed a monopoly on violent course of what’s the geographic area which to me is immoral and so that’s that’s where my eyes it’s not political write this for me it’s not it’s not a political stand for me it’s an ethical and moral stand yes it looks like politics but I know I don’t take a left side or right side or either one of that either one of those in terms of how I think somebody else should live their life live your life as you choose so long as you’re not hurting other people which is that goes to the black Tantra side you know and that’s where the problem is you know what what I would hope to do what I would like to do and what I feel is my mission to do because I feel like I have gained a lot from the knowledge that I have is that if anyone else wants to share in that knowledge I would love to share it it almost feels like a waste if I don’t so that’s you know and serve the meat coming out of the closet as it were cuz usually most people say that a religion and politics are the third rail of the the escort industry right it’s the one thing you’re never supposed to talk about when you’re out on a date and I really you know Anna and for the most part I don’t but I do have some longtime regular clients who they very much like discussing these things with me and when you have a deep relationship with someone of course these are deep issues right it’s not necessarily something for a first date for anybody but I I get a good sense for people very quickly as if I’m going to drive with them and even if they don’t know much about my politics from seeing me on TV and and I think just put on my general by they get that I’m kind of a laissez-faire Live and Let Live peace and love type of guy and so long as they’re like that it usually over time it’ll end up there we’ll talk about these topics that is so cool yes sir that I thank you for all of that coverage there I think that really sums it up and now you know what is listening to you to your podcast earlier today and was kind of I would like my biggest question was how is he subverting with this undercover Insider job but he’s got to be hacking mines in ethical way just you know helping offer you don’t you want to install some new plug-ins in your Paradigm well as you would know from all your training I mean erotic energy is the ultimate educational ad for Jeezy acts so you’re able to unite erotic hypnotic suggestion you know helping people get through their emotional issues but also opening their their Consciousness to new ideas and learning I mean you’ve got to be just all over the map with that stuff so now we can get into that hacking the sex industry bit where you really are a deep-cover double O7 I left yeah how do you how have you been able to subtly and maybe not so subtly Express that I haven’t seen all the episodes but now I’m going to be glued to it so certainly among the men that I’ve I’ve met the Strait of the straight male escorts I think that I’m a bit of an anomaly there’s not that many of us for the most part the guys get into this now they’re there are a few others who and particularly my one of the costars on my shows also in the works for the same agency Ash Armand has a very strong background in eastern practices and if he’s actually born in India said he’s half Indian raised in Japan a study Tantra quite a bit although I think his for me this is this is what I’ll say this is the first thing that I’ll say is I don’t so much approach I approach what I do as a healing modality but I definitely don’t approach it with a framework that someone might approach if they said oh I’m a tantric sex worker or I’m a tantric this or they said I you know I am a massage I’m a lightworker I do body work I do all of these things I don’t necessarily approach it in that way because for me what the experience and what I’m approaching is what’s the sexual experience is the metaphor I’m approaching it from that that contract metaphor it’s that yes there are these specific practices there are specific says that you can do but we have to understand is that these are derived from a much larger and older esoteric tradition that really like a ritual like chanting as you described like real all of these things are symbol they’re not signs in other words it’s not a prescription for a follow this direction ABCDEFG and you will arrive at something I think anybody who tries to do things that way is going to come off sorely disappointed what these are is they are at and they are a symbol of natural patterns of behavior and actions that allow us to create connections between one another and connections within ourselves so that is to say for instance if you’re talking about meditation and you’re talking about Asia Kundalini meditation you know what the chakras are again you can draw them you know the end people have do depictions of them in various different colors but yes this this is in the imagination this is a spiritual system that’s beyond that so the way that I approach it is what are really going for as I’m going for a connection connection with this person on and I’ll use the metaphor of on a heart chakra level to where we steadily over the time that I’m with them this is what I’m trying to pursue and it’s a practice that I’ve done for so long that I’m not even trying to pursue it anymore it’s just something that I do it’s almost muscle memory if you will like what Bruce Lee said about you become the technique you doing longer think about it it’s just what you are so so what I’m trying to do is to make a truly deep connection and what has to happen in order for that connection to happen is first I have to be open I have to spend a lot I have to do a lot of work within myself to make sure that I don’t have blockages that prevent me from being completely open to share myself that’s the first thing and I think that’s one thing that sometimes adhering to a particular set of I’m going to do this this this this this sometimes you get locked behind that and now you’re not open cuz you’re worried over am I following the directions when the directions were are just a metaphor anyway right the various steps is just a metaphor so what I’m trying to do is I’m trying to open up and then in me opening up its steadily and surely as noticing their blockages in opening those blockages up and then noticing the next in opening that up and it’s funny because as I’ve had conversations with the Ayahuasca shamans that I’ve worked for they said that this is your Shaman this is the same thing that we’re do it and at end this is the role of a shaman the role of a shaman is to embody that open spirituality to leave your ego behind completely at the door and then the individual or individuals or groups that you’re working with your whole job is there is a block let’s take it away and that may be in the form of the conversation that lady digging in I mean it’s it’s part psychoanalysis and then you know it’s part body work it’s all of these things combined and so I have my own system I don’t think that’s something that I could teach but it’s something that certainly works and when interesting thing that is that my clients have consistently consistently use the same term in that is like this is like a drug this experience being around you you are like a drug they will tell me because you get that Euphoria like it’s a real shot like you’re getting a real shot of these actual euphoric hormones that goes through when we are in line the same way that we get with all of our chakras are open and so like I said like I said in the beginning this is just one practice and I’ve met many women in the industry as well who approached it in the same way and have their own sort of metaphor for describing it but it is a healing modality I mean when your open we have so much negativity around sex in our culture and you know people people who we have an obesity epidemic and you know the cure for having eating bad food and what bad people do this to eat good food and we really have a bad sexualitt toxic sexuality issue in our society and we are Society create has created it for hundreds of years Western society and the way to get away from toxic sexuality is she got it there’s got to be good sexuality to take the place of it and there’s just not enough of that but I think that if people will put aside some of the some of the stigma associated with escort work they would see very very quickly that there are a lot of escorts out there that do look at it as a healing modality exactly having a lot of feels like there’s a many more female tantricas off and going by the term ducky knees or the nurse mail. Goes but there’s far less male sexual healing service providers then there are females generally because there’s a huge market for a glorified rub and tug and people who are not necessarily fully initiated into some Growers lineage they can go to a weekend workshop and then actually bring some of that that chakra loving goodness into their practice that’s great you know this is all pushing forward or dissolving the sex phobia can naked sex negative culture that really made Las Vegas what it is I mean that you’re there in fact I was living there and I was doing a pretty kind of deep-cover operation spiritual love life coaching Tantra makeover on a woman there with a woman there and she kind of adopted me into her queendom in and it was I wouldn’t I guess I don’t know how I feel about the word Gigolo in general but I like the terms that you’re using around just being a guy if you know you’re being an erotic guide and you’re bringing in so much fresh Prana into a person’s ecosystem energetically that they can blow off diseases they can blow out neuroses and they can start to experience themselves in a new way and I’m just so pleased to know that this is happening at the end of all places the city of sin this is the most Angelic salvation that there’s ever been a concept that I was trying to I have been initiated into the lineage of of a tantra Guru I have met in in doing this so many in particular women who would have no clue of you know of anything about the any jargon certainly of tatra but who are doing this work and that is to say that this is a universal practice and someone who’s opening up your spirit can show you the way to it yes a guru can take you there quicker but we have to understand that there were there were first people who figured this out of the the the Indians who use Ayahuasca say that the plants showed them so nature itself is there to teach you and there are women in particular who go into this practice and this line of work whose hearts and intentions are pure who are healers by Nature because they’re are people who are healers by nature and therefore who take to take this practice and do the same things that I do with me having been educated with me having my background and they do it as well if not better I mean it’s the same thing as you can go to Juilliard and be trained as a musician your whole life or you can learn to play by ear and be an amazing musician or dancer or wider or Surfer or anything and so what I’m saying is that it is wonderful to be initiated into a lineage that the true power is to say I am a Healer if you are what if you if that is what you if that is who you feel to your core you’re honest with yourself is to say I am a Healer this is the path that feels right and when you start walking down that path you will you will turn into that great healer overtime if you allow yourself absolutely and then not to mention a lot of people have spent multiple lifetimes and probably actually projected themselves into the areas of greatest need sort of Astral triage you know it’s very cool yeah I see people just out of the box they’re already connected they’ve got all the cities I mean the cities are the tantric superpowers that archetypal superheroes are made out of really in pain Au some people just are born with them and not to say that they didn’t work on that for multiple lifetimes and yeah this is so fascinating so if I could I guess if I could ask you you know to talk more about the friction you might have had I know you said you kind of felt so I don’t know exact words you use but just your ability to express your esoteric wisdom and your political philosophies worst have been sort of had to bite your lip in a way to be I don’t know if it’s by contract or just because you’re dealing with other chefs in the kitchen with the editing process but I’m just wondering where did you have to negotiate that was there ever a time when I said hey man no way we’re not letting people know that they can do this stuff on a mass scale you will not do that and we decided part of my learning if there’s one thing that I am at this point it’s pretty socially Adept right like that’s that’s what I do my job is to make people comfortable first and foremost my my clients they this is a strange man and it’s a woman and here comes the strain man clearly usually generally much larger and stronger than she is right and she’s going to be alone with me I’ve got to make her feel comfortable and not and you know if I start out with if it’s a 2-hour appointment which is my my minimum and that’s kind of an intro you know I want her to be so comfortable that she’s like hey you want to go away for a weekend together alone and so making people comfortable and understanding that I need to be where people are at and a reality TV show is not a place for the conversation that you and I are having write a reality TV show called Gigolos now it’s a place to start introducing when it can happen little inklings right just just like I didn’t have the Converses did conversation we’re having I didn’t have that on Jack spearco show but it was a place to introduce a little bit and then introducing that little bit you and I end up meeting and so there’s a there’s a it’s understanding that while we maybe these these Giants spiritual entities and just ready to sort all of that energy and power and heat off of us at any minute that sometimes that’s too hot for the moment right sometimes it’s about turning down the thermostat and making it a nice comfortable situation till everybody wants to stay in the room we don’t want to we don’t want to have none of it so it gets too cold that people leave but we don’t want to turn It Up full blast of that people like this is way beyond me and and the people who want it to get a little hotter so we’ll stick around a little longer and they’ll say hey man can you turn that thermostat up a little bit and then you turn it up but it’s about being patient is about being comfortable in your own skin it’s about enjoying your spirituality for the sake of your spirituality is yours right yes of course it belongs to everybody else but let them come to you and ask you for it because those are the people who cannot appreciate it in the first place when we get it Ray yeah you know any of the word is the quintessential the word transmutation I mean you’re taking the energy and you’re finding it’s very Jedi it’s very ninja yeah it’s so you know the subtleties and the symbolism in in nuances when I was in Vegas I felt it the ability to transmute Vegas sexual energy into spiritual energy it really could be absolutely despite the even being called Sin City it’s actually the place where women have make more money than men wear a jacket if it’s a financial matriarchy the men are showing up to worship the goddess which is very tired and almost the only thing that I would change is maybe to tune the frequency of the club music from 4:40 to 4:32 you know that’s one thing with would you be totally settled and no one would even know they would just feel better and start to heal magically and not know why it is an interesting City I mean it is a it is a city of polarity for sure and it is a city that Demands a great deal with discipline I mean it is a city for discipline that evolves people because if you have if you are unable and if you are undisciplined in terms of your own your own mind set and your own spirituality this city will destroy you and it will destroy you quickly it’s every Vice is available for you but for those people who are evolve and who have a great level of self-discipline I mean this allows you a great deal of freedom and it’s a very non-judgmental City but you figure it really has right cuz it survives on making a a a fantasy experience for people who come from every country and speak every language and have every political persuasion and every background I mean when you think about what the type of environment that you have to create to create a comfortable space for literally everyone then the ability to operate within that space so long as you don’t get caught up in the things that are bent to to empty the wallets of those people when they get comfortable so long so long as you are are disciplined in that regard I mean as you say the energy level here is just it’s on it’s unbelievable and it it can very well be transmuted into incredibly positive and Incredibly healing energy and it has for me and I probably won’t leave I mean I’ll probably be here for the rest of my life well well I’m not no actually while I was there I was surprised to find out that there is a very strong permaculture Community there and there’s some really amazing sights and there’s a meetup group and you would be shocked that mean is also a lot of people you know there’s just so many kind of new age is kind of new age has been demonized away but there’s a lot of spiritual so-called spiritual people coming out of the woodwork there’s Tantra instructors that have very strict kind of more of the yoga lineage I guess you could say but I know some yoga instructors out there and any other people would just assume that it’s the most degrading and most sort of spiritually bankrupt City but actually it’s very wealthy spiritually in a lot of ways about in terms of an a in terms of there’s about a million people in this Valley right but the number of working artists and Singers answers I mean you’ve got what eight or nine Cirque du Soleil shows here I mean there’s live singers who make their living singing in this town by the thousands dancers I mean there’s probably more professional dancers in this town per capita certainly than there is in a place like New York which has Broadway right and so all of those people and then you have all the ancillary things around them so there are dance schools and music schools there’s I mean The Burning Man Community hear the community of people who are hardcore burner is huge I mean all of you go through downtown there’s beautiful murals all over the walls and then you think about you know all of the people who are at these hotels who are doing these gigantic floor all Arrangements in who are changing interior designers and decorators and all of its an artist ladentown and so all of this you know artists are naturally attracted to expanding their spirituality because as you say it’s that Prada that provides the fuel for their Artistic Endeavors so yes this that that is a need that here and so you have this community of people who who has just a part of their life who needs to be constantly engaged in spiritual practice so unlike many something that you wouldn’t think about because it’s it’s not when you come here as a tourist it’s not what you see on the outside but when you stop and think about how many different types of people and what the types of people are that it takes to make that fantasy happen and the Artistry that’s involved in the number of people who are in that artistic Pursuit then it starts to really make a lot of sense of why they just would have that energy right on man we’re definitely speaking a lot of the same language so so tell me what is on the horizon for you mean it sounds like you’re you’re moving beyond that the series and you’re sticking to your guns with the programming that’s really exciting cuz I can only imagine what kind of apps you could be developing you looking forward to as you progress into the you know the next chapters television show we broadcast on YouTube and Twitter and Periscope and Facebook that’s at the dinner money shows that been armani.com so that’s getting more into like the the political sphere of working on a book philosophy book I read a book called out of the gigolo several years ago when I was first got into the industry sort of discussing My Philosophy a lot of things that we’ve discussed today classified ads how I approach the work that I do in that vein but now is I’ve got to sort of more into the the libertarian thinking and boobs and more into that scene in terms of trying to push sort of on a broader scale afford voluntaryism anarchism libertarianism in general I’m so now I’m working on a book about basically the philosophy of self ownership that should be out in a couple of months yeah programming that’s something that will that will never leave at SCI I’ve been a DJ for many years and I had a I had opened the venue hear an art gallery in music venue Hearing in downtown Las Vegas that I recently shut down so music has been out of my life but I kind of feel it coming back in a little bit more of that sort of happens in waves for me so I’m starting to feel more inspired with the with music as well as it’s just I don’t know what song who the hell knows I’ve a few years ago I couldn’t have predicted any of the things that I’ve doing now so I mean what’s on the rising is I’m just going to keep walking down this path and expanding as much as I can and hopefully hopefully in the process of that and doing it a little bit in public that I’ll create some things about you that some other people can can take with them and move the whole journey forward right on well I got to say it mean it is so so shocking and exhilarating to me that the Serendipity of me discovering you of all people through the survival Podcast where you know I’m I consider myself one of the biggest personal fans of the survival Podcast and Jack spearco I mean it’s just so many people out there have lives have been so radically transformed it’s just a complete I just staggering astounding 184 a lot of people to get really on board with with the military mindset of you know really being procedural and having protocols and understanding threats and so many things that spiritual people are so fucking full of shit in their ass and their head is both in the class selector they cannot defend themselves they can’t probably feed themselves some of them may be doing gardening but I mean the synthesis it’s the material Mastery that so many spiritual esoteric people check out of and then they become spineless jellyfish worms that are have to be defended by the people who who they’ve who derided for so long it’s a synthesis is bringing together and I Know Jack is very spiritually Advanced and only just drops little nuggets your friends are probably too just like you’re saying he doesn’t want to blow people’s minds powerful because you know the if the Practical tactical guns to Gardens Mild to Wild kind of that whole if if you know the spiritual people can integrate that and are you bringing if you were able to bring all the stuff together in and really role model a new masculine Paradigm where men are trained skilled lovers and Fighters that’s kind of my I’m putting my chips so to speak you know is the guys the brothers who are you know pushing those boundaries in and weaving all together so well I mean I will say I mean is that is one advantage that I think certainly Eastern spirituality has in the regard of I mean like if we go back to The Vedic literature and we’re talking about the varnas you know so you’ve got your four varna’s of your shoe dresser be present to shatri is a zebras or or or brahmas and fascist that it’s this idea that yes we need the labor the The Thinker the the merchant and the warrior and that these sort of manifest within all of us in different degrees and it’s not that one is better than the other that’s what we miss in Western culture I think a lot is that look in order for society to function correctly we need a balance of all of these energies so it’s like yes that and it’s something that if we truly want to grow if we truly want to expand our Consciousness is expanding our Consciousness is not into the places that we feel comfortable no no it’s expanding our into the places that we feel least comfortable because those are the places where the most gross will happen and the gross will be instant when we confront it and so it’s about because if we want to become a whole person then we need to be the warrior and the priest and the labor and the the merchant as well we need to be all of those things and I think Jack and body that very very well and I think that that’s what you’re that’s fundamentally what what we’re getting at here is that look there’s a lot of think those things that you’re looking at that you’re saying oh I don’t like that I don’t like that that Warrior aspect will that’s your jungian Shadow right there that’s exactly what you need to start exploring why don’t you like it embrace it as a part of you it’s inside of you go after it figure it out and tame it right on man right on well yeah we got a few minutes left do you want to talk about obviously your websites and any last words and then I’ll see if I can take a few breaths you might you might call them purple breaths I don’t know if she take to get to come to my senses now and now I’m kind of StarStruck but I got to think of his anything I want to close with your final questions but while I do that if you can kind of give your your URLs and like all that good stuff live on social media so if you if you have any questions or you want to hit me up its on Twitter I’m just been Armani no spaces and on Facebook saved facebook.com been Armani and Instagram I’m actually been under store Armani but if you if you have questions or you or comments I am I’m there I will answer so I think that’s I think that’s all of them cool and all right well I think I was coming to me is my last question or let’s I think we’ve I think the the culturally we’re pretty well whether you watch Taxi Driver what if there’s did the mail angst of sexual deprivation from access that creates child molesters rapist and John’s and porn addicts you know and Priests who do all those things in my about it and pretend that they’re not involved in some sort of Shadow sexuality and we have a long way to go to actually solve and heal the wounded masculine and to end the duck how many females are the ones who are coming in doctoring the chakras of the men who are you know where they have small penises or their service are typically not attractive or they have some paraphilia or fetish and then the Doms come in but there’s a there’s a big industry for male sexual Shadow workers you know to come in and and doctor them in Shamanism and you’re representing a very different or a very assertive under-represented demographic of the male sexual shadow dancer lightworkers but say and I’m just curious so the question would be since we know we have a good we know that men are sexually pretty fucked and need a lot of help you know but women are as well because they’re not being well fucked by men for certainly their husbands and what advice do you have two women who may make the maybe they’ve got the budget to take a trip to Vegas and now they’re not just going to go to the you know go get wasted and you know kind of just put money in somebody’s mule leopard g-string or whatever it is that they do to kind of have a superficial taste of that but you’re providing Divine sacred masculine healing services in the belly of the Beast and you’ve got to have some insight so for the women who were listening this who were like wow I didn’t know that this Paradigm even existed you know what he would have eyes do you have for the the wounded feminine and what what can how can you Enlighten us to say you know what we really need to be more compassionate for what women are going through we need men to learn how to retain their semen in master multiple orgasms so they can go further with their beloveds and you know just some advice for to honor the feminine here you know before we close out but I will say that that this is this is the I will give this is actually advice for for both sexes because it it truly is the same but it is the manifestation of the divine feminine is that what you have to ask yourself do you want to remain as you are or do you want to grow do you want to become someone new and someone that you can be proud of and grow in your spirituality or do you want to massage your ego so that you can fool yourself into believing that you are already everything that you could possibly be because that’s the second one that massaging of the ego if that’s what you’re after then what you’re going with if that’s your true intent then what you’re going to pursue is you’re fundamentally going to pursue control that doesn’t necessarily mean that you are going to pursue dominance you may very well pursue being submissive but it’s being submissive under your control under your terms whereas if you want to grow if you want to grow spiritually this isn’t any spiritual practice and and that control that is that is masculine energy and its toxic masculinity to control if you really want to grow in your spirituality and I think it’s the place that our culture is lacking we have plenty of that push for control in our culture plenty of it where we’re lacking is in is is basically in surrender that you’ve got to say look I’m willing to put myself in a situation that is going to help me grow and I’m willing to surrender to that situation now what you’re able to do beforehand if you’re able to figure out where what that situation is you don’t want to just put yourself into any Old Situation you want to be informed about what’s going to happen but then you’ve got to be willing to surrender to it and no matter what the spiritual practice is whether it’s you know whether it’s finding you know a lightworker to work on you it’s not going to be on your terms it’s not going to be on your terms and if they’re good it’s not happening on their terms either it’s happening on the terms of the truth of that interaction so whether that’s you know you’re doing Ayahuasca ceremonies or or other shamanic a plant medicine practices weather that’s Bodywork whether that’s music whether that’s you know you’re expressing yourself artistically you’re going to have to surrender and it’s in that surrender that the growth happen and so that’s what’s missing is that it’s it’s not unmasculine to surrender to an experience that is going to help you grow as a matter of fact that is the most Brave and the most courageous thing you’ll ever do in your life you jump into the mouth of Kundalini Shakti goddess in you were going to be ya to take him places that to require a lot of courage and absolutely man well that’s that’s beautiful and I like the way you tied it together you know beyond gender we’re just talking about the polarities of archetypal energies and you got to you got to be a master of both Shiva Shakti so right on man will thank you so much I just feel totally and enliven and enrich stand Enlighten after this and the world I’m going to probably get a few more hours of sleep at night knowing that you’re already light years ahead of where I thought things were going okay you know I really want to thank you for for reaching out and for allowing me to have this conversation as you could imagine as I enter you should be aware that there are not a lot of forums and not a lot of people who are prepared to have a conversation on this level so I appreciate the work that you’re doing it’s it’s it’s Unique in its needed and and thank you for giving me the opportunity to express myself absolutely I’m sure our paths will cross somewhere out here yeah we will be in touch very much all right bye-bye you care if I buy thank you for listening to the podcast please go to www.crunch.com can cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Daring to be Present with De Vie Weinstock TPP94

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In this episode I’m joined by de Vie Weinstock, a Consciousness Catalyst who teaches people to dare to be present with the wholeness of their being. We explore the vastness of ancient tantric lore and philosophy as well as the practicality of personal tantric practice beyond the genitals. Together we discover new hopes for positive transformation and conscious evolution!

About de Vie:

“What can be said about consciousness that has chosen to devote itself to an endless intimacy with presence? Devotion to the truth is not confined the stories of the world, or the stories of success. Who are we when we go beyond the stories —which are, after all, only stories? Then we are left with the conscious experience of this moment, whatever it may be. We are left with the unadulterated wholeness of the self, as it is, in ‘the world’ as it is.”

Under what conditions will you allow yourself to embrace truth? Through her Dare to Be Present® service, de Vie offers connection, support, & guidance on this path we are all on back to wholeness. Participants have experienced meditational inspiration and guidance as well as healing of chronic conditions such as stress and anxiety. In a world that still recklessly invests in the false appeal of endless stories, we have this opportunity to connect in reality, on the fertile ground of The Now. de Vie can be reached through her site at:

http://www.DareToBePresent.com/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 94 I am on Skype with 2 V Weinstock of dare to be present. Calm and she is a Consciousness Catalyst and we have been dialoguing over various social media platforms for a while now and she’s blessed me to have listened to a number of my podcasts and I’m always open to especially folks who are for putting in some time to listen to The Back catalogue so to speak you have to actually bring perspectives and and really fill in blanks in and always just bring their own and treat it like an open Forum so I appreciate the vu4 for reaching out and wanted to share I’m not I will I will let you fully describe your intentions and first if you would just start off by telling us a bit about your background and and your offerings and then we can talk about your desire to bring some of your perspectives into this form so with that said please go ahead tiny here and what I offer it’s called dare to be present and I work with people in supporting them in their process of Awakening and I feel we’re all in some sort of process of Awakening cuz it doesn’t end and I feel it’s a kind of evolutionary imperative if we make it collectively revolutionary Drive evolutionary drive and I’m here to support people consciously and intentionally in that process and it grows out of my own experience in studies really extensive studies and very much my own experience which is relevant because I’m pointing people back to their own experience were in a culture that is extremely mind focused and it’s basically awarded to be disengaged from our own experience and get all kinds of book knowledge I went to Harvard so I’ve got that whole book knowledge academic first-hand story and that just being a peek example of where our culture is at of overvaluing the analytical knowledge part of the mind to the detriment of the absolutely essential lived experience so my lived experience beyond all the studies I’ve done relevant to what I offer is that I’ve literally been in a state of meditation for over 20 years so extremely deep immersion into meditation very extreme time I’ve been in the world through that I have not gone and become a Hermit in the Himalayas I am chosen to be on that path of meditation immersion in the world which is not easy but it’s also related to the topic of your podcast on your work of Tantra because Contra is the hole so the path of Tantra is not going to say oh well if you’re a spiritual person you should have been the world in terms of what I offer I work with people one-on-one I sometimes offer groups I work with them in person in Ohio or in the Ohio area sometimes in LA and also over the Internet with video or over the phone and it’s there’s talking there’s some meditation it’s basically giving guidance into what is the person’s next step and next steps in Awakening to their precious inner being around Tantra I’d like to say when I when it’s appropriate that the sexuality Pieces Just one-seventh of the major chakra pie so I think nothing it’s seems bloated or over-represented in the so-called West in some people would say it’s because people are obsessed with it and other people say it’s because that’s where the the triage of the wounding is most needed so that the sort of the healing of the second chakra is what the West needs more than other places that say in the world might need it or other cultures might need it so yeah you were you have some sort of feelings in in opinions and I guess I don’t know if it would be like a form of A Treatise but by all means would be great to have a new perspective on balancing the balancing of the did the different modalities in in currents of energy within the ton truck systems Stout is to talk for a perspective that isn’t necessarily focused on the sexual act like in the service I offer I don’t mention Tantra anywhere and it doesn’t get into sex at all unless it’s something that a person is concerned about her asking about in which case it’s simply talking about it so just to be clear in terms of how I work with people that being said why I reached out is because there is this understandable but none the less worth pointing out overemphasis in the West in terms of Tantra that well it’s like a special way by having sex right and as you’re pointing out yeah that is valid but it’s also leaving Chris Watts leaving certain people because if someone has that preconception which is very easy to have then they’re like well I’m single or I don’t have anyone to do this with or like there is a self-limiting thing based on that perception of well I can’t engage in the path of Tantra because sex is not available to me which is a lot of people even if sex is available then whether or not is Tantra good question so there’s this other piece which goes well what is Tantra regardless of whether quote-unquote physical sex is in the picture not not to dismiss physical sex but the one word that sums up Tantra is yes it’s like the simplest explanation of Tantra because it’s a spiritual path and it’s a spiritual path that is not going down the division trip and so many spiritual paths are still doing that plenty of yoga pass or doing that I mean I’ve been at these meetings at these circles and I see it first-hand of a spiritual trip of let be divided and at war with ourselves and so the largest view of Tantra is it’s all included we don’t have to try to cut off certain aspects of herself and that’s why sex is emphasized because historically it’s been so cut off it still cut off and still is still very cut off but I think that’s part of why it gets emphasized because it’s one of the most glaring examples of an aspect of ourself that has been demonized but one of the things I very actively right about and work on with my clients is something like emotions quote unquote negative emotions which is another example where angers bad lust is bad. A. A. Depression is bad and that’s another aspect we had a question be like wait a minute the whole point of the spiritual path is Unity is wholeness how do we get there how does that work if we’re trying to get to wholeness by trying to cut off basically essential parts of our self practices do you do teacher do you utilize for does integration Integrations of those repressed aspects and the demonized aspects first step is awareness cuz they are too taboo like like lust for example it’s a good example it’s considered taboo or anger anger is a really good wet like I’ve heard that so many times from people of they think not just stick but they believe that anger is not spiritual is this strong belief it’s like no anger isn’t spiritual what is that what is that belief why is that belief in there so the first step is awareness because with these embedded reactions with these embedded repressions there is a leap to just denying the feeling like it’s too hot it’s like too hot to touch you know and so that first step of a practice of becoming aware of them and going well what are the feelings and noting them so there can be something like literally writing down the feelings like just writing a word that like oh there is anger or is there is depression and something like that might look very simple or it might even look useless but it actually isn’t because it’s bringing in this new pattern workers I can notice something nothing bad is happening by noticing it so there’s a new pattern being created there by first just bringing awareness to whatever’s there in the Eastern country Traditions kind of give permission to express the various aspects of the human personality through these characters and the stories in mythological archetypes in different states of Consciousness in people may or may not actually feel in the ability to evoke or invoke or feel possessed by and therefore have a sort of thumb the patron saints of these different emotional Expressions is that something you you get into it either sort of symbolically or more literally I guess you could say bring two archetypes that embodies the emotions or what exactly are you referring to yeah just well for example I think probably the most well the most dramatic that Dede that that is used in a lot of just Neo Tantra and classical timeshares is to if you need to express rage in a healthy way than you would call upon the pooches and sudden the practices to bring yourself into the the field of the collie energy or the goddess Kali and that would be your sort of phone Serta prefabricated safe container to let all of that rage be expressed without the well without it basically sublimating into other more more well leaking out into other areas of your life where you’re not really conscious he’s fully present for it so that’s certainly a lot of what I’ve experienced and in workshops and in trainings and whatnot is just to be able to identify when you can make your own of course but the the sort of from the toolkit the township provides one of them and assorted Friday obviously permutations change across space and time but is I’m just wondering if that’s something you you say all right now get into your Kali Rage or if you need to you know if you’re feeling broke and hungry and homeless you need to invoke them or a goddess of abundance or a god of abundance or if I’m just wondering if you play with any of those those templates for someone who resume with it like it sounds like for you that my really resonate in which case it’s a meaningful safe container and medium and Kali the braids for that so is Shiva these archetypal energies symbols ever we want to look at them Daddy’s however they’re represented they can be exactly in the way you’re speaking of these meaningful channels so that being said if someone were to work with me and that angle it would depend on if if they’re sympathetic to that because my focus in the dare to be present work is to make it very accessible to a person where they’re at so I would only bring up that kind of method with someone to was predisposed to be into these archetypes and a lot of people aren’t a lot of people you’re about Daddy’s like that and they just think it’s mumbo-jumbo and I’m not at all going to go down that road with them because I meet people where they’re at so it does that totally depends on the person said that cuz that seems it seems like a in a way there’s a there’s a I mean I have I have ethical concerns with the the way that people would say that there doing Contour teaching Township but there really time tree is a it’s all about these specific practices of worshiping mostly the goddess originally and then that that sort of you could say got bastard has been corrupted and became a very patriarchal power over not really in greatest service to the goddess form of Steel spiritual practice but it’s just a shifted into a more picture cool pear diamond and then the the three historical roots of goddess worship have been marginalized and you know so that’s that’s really in a notice in a nutshell that’s how I’d see what what time she really is so when I see people saying that they’re teaching Township but they’re glossing over or sort of making making a just sleeping over that process that was the court process of spiritual relationship to a goddess of devotion then I got a question it to be able to like what you’re saying you’re not you’re not really guiding people there especially if they’re not ready for it or they’re not into it and you don’t even you’re not calling and Country so it’s I’m curious how your and I respect that so I’m curious how do you apply the sort of principles of Tantra to the modern world where people are not likely to buy into the notion of these you know very vast lineages of mythological deities that are just dizzying to try to even begin to understand you to be absolutely clear I don’t bring up the word Tantra at all in my work unless it’s somehow relevant it comes up in a few of my writings probably they’re not even on my website so it’s it’s not something that I’m using as a word explicitly but the other part of it is the question which is fertile ground right now if we want to go into which is what is Tantra and I don’t know if you and I ended up looking into that book and mention it to use absolutely one of my favorite books of all times and I recommend it to anyone who’s interested in Tantra it’s contract Quest and then it’s something like I forgot the subtitle at subtitle something like a journey to Absolute love or something like that tante request by Daniel o d a o d d i e r and it’s a true story of his journey to find a ton truck master and she goes on this journey in the Himalayas and she goes through all these tribulations and then he finally gives up like okay I’ve tried I’ve almost succeeded so he gives up and then he finds her and if I’m remembering her name correctly it’s something like Lalita Devi and she’s this Patrick Master living alone in the woods and it’s such a beautiful story and it really goes into what I consider to be Tantra witches I mean it goes into some of the sexual aspects to but in terms of how it talks about consciousness of a very embodied consciousness and a very very intimate relationship with the senses with being embodied in the sensual world so you know if you want to go into it is worth questioning and discussing of what exactly is Tantra because how I see it it’s not dependent on any sort of worship of an energetic archetype that we give a name like Collier Shiva how I see it it is first of all if the path to Total Awakening so it’s a certain kind of spiritual paths that emphasizes inclusion rather than exclusion where are some of the traditional things in many spiritual paths that are considered taboo or off-limits do not have to be off limits and Tantra and the signature and then is that if they’re engaged in very very consciously then they’re not us in that kind of language and so that’s how I view Tantra and I mean I’m not here to say my view is more right than yours that’s not the point at all but what I hear is that you’re feeling or believing that it rests upon worshipping a certain energetic form it’s interesting because you know I always enjoy the conversations because it’s it’s it’s kind of a archaeological Adventure I mean the the most I guess where I start in my inquiry with the available information we have is that there were a hunter gatherer or gatherer Hunter South Asian peoples who were who had black goddess figurines that are going back in the archaeological record at least 20,000 years and if yes if my sort of I guess I feel like what I’m personally feel like that everything that became organized scriptural do Orthodox Hinduism today that we would look at it it’s it’s sort of a an interesting the story the sort of natural history of of the dark goddess is one that goes back a long time in India before so many different waves of conquest and colonization and a word it’s often uses brown one is a Shannon and before the caste system before civilization before Agriculture and the way that if there to be some some story or movie that’s actually would be kind of telling that story of what happened to the primal practices of indigenous goddess worship and how all of these different trappings of of domestication really sort of from required of it a lot of different fractions fraction fractioning of archetypes you know before there was wealth and riches and a class and poverty in a class until before the caste system you didn’t have all these different permutations of of Glamour course we all want to be rich and glamorous and famous and we all want to be blessed by the the goddesses is a fortune in your fortune and wealth and we just take that for granted and also even the scriptures of the contras in the scripture did the all of this sort of Orthodox Hindu scriptures it’s very much based on a time of war and conflict and even is has a club to beat the Bison demon so because it was a threat to the crap so as much as we would take even jirga and believe me I I fear to say this but it but it’s just a detached sort of the knowledge and Analysis of it it’s everyday I guess everything before I before I dare say anything I regret I want to say that when we peel back the onion of archaeology you know there’s a different context for every story so I’m not I’m not pushing that it on anybody I’m just I feel like it’s it’s really the heart of Tantra that hopefully the benevolent this goal that that it has or that we hope it has you know which is to be to help us become the most compassionate benevolent loving wholesome Divine an Earthly connected Angel beasts animals that that’s sort of not everybody practicing these esoteric Arts has the best intentions and so yeah it’s it’s interesting dance with the light in the shadow and now we’re in the west just discovering that it’s possible for sacred sexuality to to exist in again that’s kind of why it seems like it’s the where Township where the sort of the vacuum of a lack of wisdom around sexuality that the tantric wisdom around sexuality is finding a a sort of being siphoned into the second shot and to get beyond that which is part of the division and it’s there still in segregating the Tantra to a sexual act is we are in a culture that you know this of course and probably most or all of the listeners Duty or your listeners do that it’s very very sexually repressed and so keeping Sexual Energy in the bedroom even if it’s Concord tantric Sexual Energy is still not going to this other dimension and this other dimension like one of the things I’ve explored for example I have plenty of practices that I do myself and for example this very basic beautiful fundamental and essential meditation on the brass is one of the most basic or possibly the most basic meditation basic not in a negative way but Central even just that can become a tantric exercise and it has nothing to do with the genitals I mean it could but in its purest form let’s just leave them out for now cuz it’s going to the store and direction of a difference I mention a larger hole where we can experience the brass as making love with the universe is easy to look at that logically even what does it do it moves in and without giving us life is giving us energy is this relationship with the hole with the Earth with the universe whatever the whole is I mean really it’s the Earth as far as we know it but we don’t know if the Earth would exist in a vacuum you know if the Earth was not in the universe we are not even be possible so something like that can turn into a deep meditation. it can be sexual without being genital because sexual and sexuality is not in any way limited to the generals and so that’s an example of a kind of practice where it can happen just through intention where it’s understanding the movement of breath as a kind of sexual act with the universe which is what I said it’s like really radical because if you take that to its greatest scope it’s like if we tune into that we’re walking around making love with the universe but actually I love that you’re saying that because I feel that every man who is homophobic and Spins I don’t know a huge percentage of his energy making obscene jokes with his other homophobic male friends who are all supposed to be straight and aren’t supposed to be thinking about sex acts with men however every other joke that they make is an explicit joke about how their friend is wanting to do some explicit sex act with another man so it seems to be this pattern of a lot of men who are fighting that Curiosity to explore the kind of contact and they’re constantly it’s it’s very it’s like usually you would call it a Freudian slip but it’s like it’s like a Freudian Niagara Falls there for 40 and Avalanche just every other line coming out of this jocular sort of mentality this jock mentality that I’ve distanced myself for homes in Retreat from but with all that said what I love about what you just said and you may never have thought about this but I think it lends itself to this is that they’re so afraid of the idea of being penetrated by anyting and they’re always saying you’re a cocksucker well you’re a breath sucker how do you like that you’re making love hilarious you taking in the breath in your lungs are being penetrated and you’re just yeah I mean all of that fear of penetration and exchange with their mouth and oral it’s it’s very interesting so I’m going to I’m going to have to find a way to use that to break some of these curses because of hottest women who are breathing in right all men are breathing and also and that’s the receptivity and it’s the vulnerability and part of what I’ve been looking at personally as well as collectively cuz I’m a woman is how does it become safe to be our full sexual beings in the culture as it is and maybe the answer is it isn’t. You don’t like me cuz I wouldn’t want to push it because safety is the really really important point but this thing about vulnerability right so it’s like in terms of the wholeness of okay well you know let’s still keep sexuality in this little corner over there okay well maybe let’s call this little corner Tantra and I’m not dissing in his just like I think it’s great that there’s this opening up in certain parts of the culture II spiritual sex and Tu Amor whole sexuality all that end as I go about my daily life in this world there still like oh yeah and it’s still there over in that little corner like it’s not safe as a generalization for a woman to have her full Sexual Energy has just talking about energetically it doesn’t look safe for her to have her. Actual energy activated in public and I don’t mean any kind of physical thing I don’t mean she’s he’s dressing differently I’m talking about purely energetically and maybe it’s a misconception maybe it is safe and I’m just not aware of that you know because I am speaking energetically but that is a really fertile question of how can it be made safe within the larger culture or needed answers a cat and we just need to focus on the subcultures I don’t know yeah well if it’s it you know if maybe you could spend some time speaking from that perspective about what I guess I’ll I mean I’ll say that if I were to be asked what what ways are are is the fullness of a woman’s sexual energetic Freedom collapsed in limited by this sort of pseudopod Victorian American sex phobic society would be you can’t smile it man because they might take it the wrong way certainly have to be aware of what your how how short your skirt is how open your top is an even how your hips are swaying and what message is that transmit and then the tone of your voice and also many other unconscious aspects of nonverbal communication with your taking his cues and course how much alcohol you drink what time what time of day it is when the sun’s coming down what neighborhood you’re in all of these are all just off the top of my head you know behind each one of those collapsed Expressions is a predator waiting to exploit that weakness or that of owner ability I should say not weakness so yeah that was what do you think what are you How would how do you help women with let’s say and Men navigate and create a safe safe for more sacred wholesome culture container for being able to smile and even give compliment I could imagine a woman give me a compliment to a man and him not having sexual fantasies immediately afterwards or if she if she were to say don’t take this the wrong way but I like what you’re wearing to are some things nice awareness and acceptance and on both parts both for men and women being able to become very aware of our sexual desire and awareness is a kind of meditation so just the practice of being aware there’s a pause there so for example personally one of the things I’ve recently on that subject is like how the hell do I feel safe with a lot of sexual attention being directed at me from guys who want have sex that’s been like so I’m like how it how can that feel safe while it doesn’t feel safe so even in that instance if for some reason I were to work with those guys when should be really funny and interesting but of work within meditative practices cuz none of my practice involves physical sexuality ever I don’t work on that level so anyway it would be to be able to first become aware of for example sexual desire because with strong emotions is a kind of emotion with strong emotions like that there can be a jumping to action where maybe the guy isn’t even fully aware of what he’s feeling that interest up of okay KO that’s sexual desire and for women to because that’s of course one of the stereotypes is like oh well the woman is just supposed to be wanted not what I mean yeah it’s been shipped at some but I still feel it I still feel that. It’s still there that the woman is supposed to be the sex object she’s not supposed to talk too much he’s not supposed to speak her mind too much and yeah there’s plenty of people pointing that out but look who’s President you know there’s plenty of people speaking to that but it’s and it’s still definitely in the culture if not it’s not obliterated yet where the woman is supposed to be the one who is desired the the recipient of male desire but women have desire to just like news flash news flash so anyway one of the first step is that inner looking right because the reaction can go oh I just want that person or I just jumped to some sort of outer activity whatever it may be no tender or whatever or calling or whatever and there isn’t that step of awareness of acknowledging oh I have sexual desire wherever it is the matter woman and said that again can be a first step cuz it’s bringing in a light of awareness before an action is taken so what are some ideas that you have if you are too if you were business and and labors of love and most altruistic your intentions were to scale what would be some of the Transformations that you would that you would say they call the Blue Sky budget if you had a blue sky budget and everyone’s attention or lots of people’s attention and how would you describe a more whole township-based world for us to work and play with in Envision on a regular basis what it would be like to be in enlightened culture in an enlightened culture what would that be I mean it doesn’t even have to be called enlightened how about just like very healthy but it sounds good and letting culture the problem with the word Enlightenment is that it’s all locked and stuff like that but there would be the principal of freedom where we can go around as our whole self as our whole selves where we don’t have to go out with all our masks on I don’t know if you’ve noticed this people walk around with really intense masks psychological masks that I mean I don’t even know if they let them down for people close to them I think some people do but it would be where we can go out in public and be who we really are which is including our sexuality including our natural being were absolutely nature bound and that if there’s issues that arise in that we can consciously work through them and so it would be a culture where first of all Consciousness is the centerpiece it’s recognized as the centerpiece that awareness is the golden key to reality beyond that it would be a playground really I mean like when we look at the Earth it’s so beautiful and I’m not talking about a Utopia I mean life has its work and its hardness so not envisioning a Utopia but when we look at the Earth it’s so beautiful and it’s just creating apparently effortlessly and the dirt is integrated into his creative process is essential to Shadows essential and we’d be remembering that total connection with life and co-creating that sounds good to me so do you want to talk a bit about your about Ohio if your if you’d be interested in that I don’t know much about it I’ve been there a few times and it it it seems like kind of a Haven for somewhere between back to the land and maybe just yeah it seems like a happy medium between really far out rule local food economy type of living in and the spirits it’s yeah like I’m or we’re all kind of Westside LA but not too remote and sounds like a lot of cool stuff is going on there and if you’re interested too kind of I don’t know if the spiritual Chamber of Commerce kind of thing is going on there but you know for you but I’m just curious what’s if you’re seeing if you’re there because more of this more of your ideal lifestyle is accessible there or if if not where have you found some of your ideals most exemplified in you recommend a tour guide of the new paradigm certain people and I don’t know if it’s localized here I mean I’m here because I happen to have falls in love with the place I’m not married to Ohio I’m here for now for the first table future I do love it I wouldn’t call Ohio and then light in town really what I see as hopeful in terms of really the new Earth is a good term for it is any of us who are aware of the darkness of the slave Matrix that so many people are mentally enslaved to and there’s certainly plenty of people enslaved here in Ohio so and realizing that humans we as humans have tremendous potential we really do like we we could have a really amazing earth culture that’s working well with the lands that’s not slowly killing ourselves off you know what that is really as possible so the Hope or where I see that new paradigm represent is really is in the people who are aware of it or wear it because there’s plenty of people who are not where is simply depressed and really really stressed out really really hooked into the mental slavery of the system and they don’t see it how it can be some other way but there’s some of us and I’m sure you were one of them we do see how it could be different and I don’t know if we’ll get there but the path is that if it’s our service so the path is okay well there has to be some kind of critical Awakening like maybe like a hundredth monkey kind of thing and that’s that’s the Cutting Edge that really is and part of and healing is part of it you know whoever’s doing meaningful healing work that’s absolutely serving it and the permaculture people you know the people who’ve got the Practical point of view of how do we have physical systems that are regenerative that’s totally part of it so there’s there are the people who are doing those different pieces so that’s rather than a specific human I like where I’m at but more than that it’s really it’s I see the Hope in nature and those of us who do clearly see that you know it is possible we could collectively awaken this is a possibility and what are some hopeful trends that you’re seeing you know anywhere locally or Beyond or online or yeah positive hopeful trends that she might p.m. reserving like I don’t have children but I love children I’m not going to have children but I love children and you don’t ever see a child I’m like you know they’re not coming out of the wound Shackled that the dark trajectory is that if it just keeps getting darker is like babies will come out of the room they’re already Shackled if you know what I mean but immunization should all the shots poisonings with that in a do you have a just wanted to take a side note here I feel like a lot of people don’t take pregnancy as seriously as they probably should as far as you know of distancing themselves from Psycho Drama and toxic relationships and unfortunately a lot of times it ends up being their baby daddy toxic relationship and yeah there’s there’s a lot of fun of child abuse going on in utero on every level so yeah that’s just it I guess a question if you if you do any work of that nature with clients or if you’re being a part of that movement 2 kind of buffer these toxic influences of all kinds to woman’s pregnant sore yeah when it when a woman is pregnant that’s I guess I just always feel really heartbroken when I see the whole cycle of that whole cycle just not well for one starting with not having a clear intention during the time of conception which is number one no error to be kind of frivolously copulating and not really having a strong attention doesn’t mean it has to be and I’m not I’m not saying it has to be with one person one married partner that’s governed by the Lord Jesus Christ or anything but certainly if your I mean well that’s kind of the most I would say some most ancient most the one of the most essential reasons for a sacred sexuality practice is to protect the the the conception the moment of conception and the process all the processes of development thereafter to invoke the right desirable protective energies and and I will go in on some coaches would have DD’s around that knowing that it’s not just the unless you’re a scientific rationalist atheist to believe that everything is just a did back in the spiritual I mean if your taking using the word sacred you can’t be an atheist because there is nothing sacred to an atheist. That’s what being an atheist is put on the sacred Pro pedestal in that case well yeah before I eat before I go on a soapbox I guess you know the more I guess a specific question would be how are you finding that your work or your studies are involving this this you know people were really wrecked you know if people are really wrecked in their life and they’re being Reckless about about the potential of being a container for life there’s a lot of not just your own car make purification but for your own sake but the responsibility to be a good ever purifying womb space vessel and I’m not going to be the guy to tell women how to do that so I need a safe container so of course a woman who’s pregnant that’s a very specific crucial Time end we’ve all been wounded and so absolutely part of the intention and part of the Derby present work is to create these safe containers where it’s a meeting where the meeting safe where the whole person is welcome so we all need that because of the culture were in and then be on the meetings be on the safe containers of the meetings where a person’s full self is welcome for the individual to be able to create safe containers for herself or himself and that’s important also and that’s different methods where for example creative methods can be a great way for that to happen where someone for example can do a creative exercise such as writing where they know they can destroy the writing afterwards if they want to and in that writing they can say absolutely anything at all they can say things they can write things that they would never tell another person. they would never repeat again but it’s a way of liberating certain aspects of themself and that becomes us a container that’s just one example there’s many others so that stays can container that safe container those safe containers of time and space which can happen through a method are really essential and then the other part of that is one of the things that I put out and things I share online occasionally is about overpopulation and conception things like that which is a really really really important Global issue so that’s part of the collective you is okay our population keeps going up we’re not in good relationship with our resources so that’s not a good equation like it’s like three new babies born every every second or something like that that’s not an exact number but it’s really really really high something like that like 1 2 3 every second and that has to be addressed on some level and as long as it’s still taboo on some level to talk about sex and how babies are made. Going to be a logical progression because so much of sex and sexuality is in the closet still and we’ll so you know we can’t talk about that we can’t talk about you know hey a guy doesn’t need to ejaculate to have an orgasm for example which of course you knew about and I mean that kind of thing that’s one of my other Visions for an unladen cultures that kind of thing it’s like everyone would know that and they would learn it in safe totally non perverted ways it would not be a perversion it would be like hey this is this is something that it’s really good to know and right now it’s like oh my God that’s you can’t you can’t change someone that it’s like you know that’s one of the Visions like imagine if from this point forward every conception was conscious intentional and wanted that would transform the world right there absolutely yeah that’s an interesting I get other so much in jio money spent and so many think tanks just grinding the gears trying to figure this out and it’s really scary man I was thinking about this just the other day was watching this documentary called the fourth world saying that the population the global population of people in slums is probably going to Triple in the next few decades so and I have to wonder why is that well it’s because of these the dogmas and limits around contraception in education and that’s a religious problem at the at the core you know the religious dogma and so I imagine it if the pope decreed that in jaculation is the only way to limit the profuse suffering of people who are born into extreme poverty in you know I mean that’s that’s that would be an interesting turn of events yeah but that’s why one of the reasons why this really really bizarre taboo against acknowledging what creates every single human being is so destructive it’s like it’s really crazy it’s really really really crazy and so in terms of the Times review and the wholeness of Tantra and Tantra leading the wholeness it’s great it’s fine it’s worthwhile that there’s more of a dialogue now about sexual practices of Tantra and that excellent one of Yes Men can learn to have multiple orgasm without ejaculation ejaculating is really really really helpful so that’s highly highly relevant and also in terms of respecting that sexuality I wouldn’t even say can be sacred I would say is inherently sacred so those are essential end we also absolutely need this broader piece of take away the taboo on the fact that we are all sexual beings . We are all sexual beings there’s no one who isn’t a sexual being there’s all sorts of sexuality but we all came out of it therefore we are all sexual beings and that taboo have to be with it it just has to it’s like one of those absolutely essential pieces if Humanity isn’t going to keep going down a really dark path on the the biomedical physiological side of this I just this is the first time thank you so much as a result of this conversation I know have taken this Great Leap Forward to find the actual clinical terminology for a phenomenon that I have been preaching about for a long time which is that if you want less unwanted children and less overpopulation you have to basically extend maternity leave so that mother is can breast feed on demand as long as the children want to because that is the Nature’s Best contraceptive so yeah so here’s that I’m going to read this right there I’m going to just read a bit of this right now because this is the perfect moment to to seed Consciousness with this idea is called lactational amenorrhea laminaria is the temporary post-natal infertility that occurs when a woman is Anna Maria not menstruating and fully breastfeeding breastfeeding and fertility so that’s the English translation I guess you’re calling and breastfeeding and fertility for women who follow the suggestion to meet the criteria listed below laam is 98% effective during the first six months postpartum breastfeeding must be the infants only or almost only source of nutrition feeding formula pumping instead of Nursing and feeding solids all reduce the effectiveness of Lan the infant must breastfeed at least every 4 hours during the day and every 6 hours at night the infant must be less than 6 months old the mother must not have had a. After 56 days postpartum when determining fertility bleeding prior to 56 days postpartum can be ignored and to take full advantage of L am at his best at the baby’s face not be covered when feeding what is that trying to tell us which Ian Lee covering the baby reduces the babies access to oxygen in visual contact with the mother which trains the baby to speed up the cycling process and this reduces the time. Rendering Less La and less affected I’m just going to break down and cry right now I can’t breasts in public call the police or whatever alerts a store manager or whatever they do yeah that’s so this is and and let it and let it think that it’s just died and gone to hell I’m okay so the next thing is even even more telling says if not combined with barrier contraceptives spermicides home if not combined with barrier contraceptives spermicides hormonal contraceptives or intrauterine devices lactational amenorrhea lactational amenorrhea method Lan may be considered natural Family Planning by the Roman Catholic church so it would be time to let maybe the pope is in his likely to agree that we must train men to withhold ejaculation however the the possibility is it stated here that a natural Family Planning method such as Lan would be Church approved not the current pope seems like actually a pretty good guy from what I’ve heard and leader of the free the nipple movement so that LAN show me the way he can do it is exactly the way your previously suggesting is women need to have full leave for a certain amount of time after they have a child and what are the things I’ve studied for years and they sure about with women on occasion is fertility tracking which is so is something that women can do so men can learn how to orgasm without ejaculation so they don’t need to ejaculate and what women can do is learn to we can learn to track or cycles and there is no drugs involved there’s no chemicals involved and it’s really empowering because we can do it’s really pretty simple we can do that with taking our temperature daily before getting up and then also by tracking our cervical fluid and it can be really accurate if it’s done properly and so for example like in college I want the morning after pill kind of broke and if I’ve been doing the tracking at the time is before I got into that I would have been able to know whether or not I needed to even do that because when women tracking mail Partners can do that along with them if they wanted but it’s really would be our responsibility as women we can know exactly how many days were fertile and it’s only going to be like it’s going to be like at most maybe a third of the month or if there is a cycle something like that something like maybe Max 8 days and that’s not an absolute quote but it’s something like that where I mean it’s just for the simple reason of like sparing a lot of stress of how many women of freaked out maybe pregnant and if we’re tracking we can know whether or not that even worth considering so it’s called the fertility awareness method and there’s some good books on it and I learned it on my own just from the books and it’s not the Rhythm method which is not accurate cuz that’s projected path Cycles on to Future Cycles which is not a good idea cuz the next cycle the next women cycle can be totally different it’s where you actually know the women will actually know what phase of fertility she’s in and then can choose more responsibly how to deal with pregnancy throw or if she wants to conceive it help conception to because then she’ll know I’m most fertile Denso it helps with with and then a really cool thing is even if a woman is sexually active she can know within a few days when she’ll get here her. Which is really is great to be an engine has no concern about pregnancy or if she’s not having sex is really helpful and cool to be able to know I know my. Is going to start within these three days or something so this is great fertility awareness method wow oh we have this has been quite an adventure with a lot of different inquiries in I just want to say is we’re getting close to a good time to wrap up if you have any other important messages you want to share and certainly you know feel free to promote your services and your website and everything and then I look forward to the next adventure I want to start just this mean point that inspired reaching out to you which is this view of Contra as a spiritual path to wholeness into Awakening that is not dependent on whether or not there is any physical sex happening it’s not dependent on that and it’s this invitation to allow ourselves this Consciousness that Embraces every aspect of ourselves and in turn actually every aspect of our existence where there isn’t any aspect of ourselves that we need to make evil or Macon to the devil and we can really embrace all of who we are whatever that may be so that’s the time trick message and then the other piece is that what I offer is called dare to be present and it is supporting individuals in being able to learn how to be with themselves and learn how to explore their inner being the thoughts the Motions the inner body how to bring awareness to this inner self. Has been massively neglected in a very extremely driven culture because that inner self is always there and it’s what gives meaning really is what gives any of the meaning in our life so if anyone wants to reach out about that the site for dare to be present my sight is dare to be present. Com present present and I got a newsletter a send out some inspirational writings so anyone is welcome to sign up for that and I offer a free connection call where we would chat on the phone for 20 minutes or so and just be able to connect in the moment in that time and there’s no further obligation beyond that and then I share a lot of presents perspectives on Facebook so if you go to my site there would be present. 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Designer Relationships with Mark Michaels and Patricia Johnson TPP93

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Mark and Patricia picIn this episode I’m joined by my favorite tantric power couple to talk about applying tantric principles and techniques to create designer relationships beyond the mono-normative mythology.

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Please visit their instructor’s website:
https://jonnmumfordconsult.com/

About Mark and Patricia:

Mark A. Michaels and Patricia Johnson are the authors of the new book Designer Relationships: A Guide to Happy Monogamy, Positive Polyamory, and Optimistic Open Relationships (Cleis Press, September 2015). A devoted married couple, they have been creative collaborators––teaching and writing about relationships, sexuality, and Tantra––since 1999. In addition to Designer Relationships, they have written Partners in Passion (Cleis Press), Great Sex Made Simple, Tantra for Erotic Empowerment, and The Essence of Tantric Sexuality (Llewellyn). They are also the creators of the COVR Award-winning meditation CD set Ananda Nidra: Blissful Sleep.

Internationally known as experts in sexuality, Michaels and Johnson have taught throughout the United States, as well as in Canada, Europe, and Australia. They have been featured on television and radio and widely quoted in numerous publications. They are cofounders of the Pleasure Salon, a monthly gathering in New York City that brings together sex-positive people and pleasure activists from a variety of communities.

p&m8Michaels is a graduate of New York University School of Law and holds master’s degrees in American Studies from NYU and Yale. Formerly a playwright and translator, he has translated, adapted, and cowritten various works for the stage. Johnson is a retired professional operatic soprano who toured extensively throughout the United States, Europe, and South America. She currently works in turtle conservation; she is certified in reptile monitoring by the Smithsonian-Mason School of Conservation and is a New York state-licensed wildlife rehabilitator.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 92 I am here on Skype with Mark and Patricia Michaels and Mark and I had done an episode a while back about Tantra and punk he had a seminal essay that I found when I was Googling around in the early days of my Township Punk adventures and I was like wow this is a serious precedent in this deep into the mosh pit is a sort of Kundalini Shakti experience and a lot of really fun stuff those of you have that certain Punk background please go back in and check that out and yeah now that we’re all here together for the first time I would love to get a the story of your background together in your Your Love Story and you’re encountering your sacred sexuality paths and and then all of the bibliography of your great co-creative works and then now what brought me into this you know to Cosmic nice to have you on together now is that you’re doing some really amazing groundbreaking coursework for the top level of six allergy and therapy and sexual therapy so really helping people understand how to consciously design relationships that are really meeting people’s needs on a deeper level beyond the the mono normative mythology that were that were stuck in here that was something of Patricia said just a minute ago so with all that said Thank you again so much for joining me and please go ahead and tell us all about you and your infinite Glory 1999 previous sexual experiences were really like I was getting these little glimpses into something I felt was very very profound and then it would just go away and I was like what is that I don’t feel like there’s really a lot there and I started researching Western Sex Magic practices taoism Tantra and was really the concept of sexuality is a energetic phenomena rather than a physiology really resonated with me and I really I really had a keen interest it’s it’s funny when you’re you’re dating a gentleman in their twenties and you go hey the sex was really great but we can do really cool stuff look at this book how they react oh my God I don’t even want to talk about it wasn’t successful in finding someone who was interested in practicing with me at that time I was giving a lecture in New York in 1999 and it was my first public talk on Tantra and I was very nervous and very very over-prepared and and I I came in with a stack of papers and I gave my talk and you was there and she said she brought to Tricia up and introduced us I was thinking that this was the first time I I I was just really wanted to learn more about Tantra at that point in my life and I remember sitting in that lecture thinking all right mr. Tom’s room and you only see your teacher cuz you can’t get laid right cigars like leaning back hands crossed against my chest and the guy newest stuff I was like this is a really interesting and at the end of it he offered up his email address this is beckons Isle of days it was so fun and you just said if you have any questions and I was like somebody I can start talking to about this stuff so we started a pretty Lively email conversation Reddit turn up the listserv together so I was I had seen some of her posts and eat I realize that although she didn’t have the sort of the information piece that I had from doing a lot of research that energetically she was she was right there and understood all of those aspects really really well the later we ended up finally getting together actually I screwed up my courage and ask them out to coffee and we ended up having sushi together and I was like right before going oh my God what am I doing in my hiring this guy that I’d like to teach me that I don’t know if I can do that but I’m like oh my God I really want to know station that might my teaching role was not going to be at all hands on at that point I was really interested in where in imparting information and giving people skills not not doing the Hands-On stuff and also be having read what she’d written you know I I kind of knew that there wasn’t a whole lot that I could teach her I can teach you anything and I was like oh you know can we at least be friends and I said why don’t why don’t we explore the sexual and so we really just decided to get together to practice I’m so happy to hear we are 18 years later Tantra when we started with which I gave I am it’s so powerful so powerful we use it everyday we still this is our go to practice and I never thought I would ever be in a long-term relationship and I definitely marriage was not part of my life and then furthermore I never thought I’d write books with its Johnson so that’s a little bit of our story and and so we started practicing together and I think we taught our first class together about six months after that it’s a basic intro in a basic little teaser kind of class we started looking but we really wanted somebody really tied in with traditional training so I wish we weren’t funny so easily in the Americas in the US so we landed on dr. John Mumford who had been going to India since the 50s since he was young Rogue one of the one of the first kind of first generation of American Tantra books that ecstasy through Tantra which was called initially sexually sexual occultism which came out in 1976 I believe very extensive online worse that he still teaches to this day and it’s his students worldwide and it is the real tradition you learn as you go through the chakra system but you spend three weeks per chakra studying all aspects of it and really getting well-versed in knowing your inner energetic working switch is you know unique to each person is a profound experience mentions the sexual aspects but the focus of the course is really on the esoteric in her energetic and not the the sexual side of it but it’s if it’s really it is it is a very very profound experience of of going deep into traditional practices the the structure of the teaching and the chakras was it kind of one by one starting from going from root to Crown or and then if you have just any bullet points of the outline I’m just curious route to Crown that’s like the top was Schutte practice and he wants you start working with you the chakra system and learning the sensory organs the yantras which we’ve worked hard on internalizing on it’s like you’re getting at something external and he’s a sociopath by training and Physiology right or anatomy anatomy and so he use the physiology of the eye the ocular functioning to open a window to internalize that yantra by using the complementary colors you i gaze at it for a while and when you close your eyes that yantra pops into your inner Consciousness it’s it’s profound it’s like that he discovered how to get into the into the Psyche on that way that’s just one of the practices it’s it’s pretty one of those steady ones and I’m you’re fine as you work up through the chakras this way there’s this layering of knowledge that bills on it so your building on your previous knowledge and it just starts to on that Foundation before you even get to this whole structure and the results of the instead of being an abstraction or being something that seems sort of woo-woo the you get this internal sense and I don’t really care personally whether the chakras are a real thing or not they’re they’re really useful for mapping you’re in our world and that’s kind of the way he taught it and by getting it into your body in that way by realizing how the mantras affect your body it gives you a really really focused and specific way of thinking about them it’s very personal at the same time knowledge and so many different way everyday life awesome episode maybe we can jump ahead into the writing because our first book was was based on his lectures that he gave him in the in the mid-70s in Gnostic on which was one of the first of those kind of occult on you no cons that they haven’t hotels probably be first first time and initiated Swami and gave a public lecture on the sexual practices of Tantra unfortunately some people kind of co-opted his work and what we really wanted to do was restructiv bring it back bring it into written form update it with his you know when we works with his original notes in an expanded with his current knowledge cuz it’s this man is physiology did you know that was not that have not been done back then so we kind of Flushed it out and you know updated sort of perspectives on gender we we brought in more contemporary and more of our take on it for sizes and stuff so it’s really fun book that’s called the essence of tantric sexuality that’s our first one came out in 2005 and it’s still cruising along so you’ve had a number of other a number of other titles and then so designer relationships is the one that will will definitely focus on the most here but I’m curious if you want to gloss over the other titles in that before we get today backwards in a funny way and then moved in a very different directions to Arc are people read essence of tantric sexuality in and said well this is great but I really am a beginner and this too much for me so that’s has 14 lessons and it’s designed to work through individual as a couple or with how many lovers you have is your group that you want to work with is really it’s a workbook with a lot of journaling and a lot of self-exploration we focus on on sexuality is a way to have mystical experiences and and sexual self knowledge is the gateway to personal empowerment didn’t people said that’s great we want a beginners book great sex Made Simple which is our Tantra doesn’t bite and it’s very proud of that book that book 1 several literary awards and it is distilled down each chapter is about 602000 words and you can put it on your bedside crack it open look at a technique and go hey honey let’s try this tonight it’s it’s fun it’s really a fun book but we also really charged with the tantric sensibility in perspective as we understand it so that even though it’s a tip kind of format in it and a quick and easy read for people it it’s got a lot of pretty obvious it’s very stuck in some really bad practices that we just couldn’t help ourselves it’s just like we knew publisher approached us because we were a couple teaching about relationships and stuff she was like we really want a couple’s book and that was clear press they do a lot of lgbtq the leading queer publishing house in the country guys can you include lgbtq people and we’re like on Howard how they love or who they love you know because that changes the key principles behind a successful relationship doesn’t seem to change so much so that’s Partners in passion when we after we wrote partners and passionately we I guess we were just doing whatever press we could and we got an opportunity to go on a a show that was being done by a fine independent production house but that was also going to be shown on Fox News in DC and it was on polyamory and open relationships and we kind of got on the show is experts and the what are the really the trigger for me to to do designer relationship was that the interviewer said she had talked to people if she done person on the street interviews and she said about 40% of the people that she talked to said they felt it up and relationships can work that really blew me away because we’ve been going to polyamory events from day one and you know where peripherally involved in the movement and I guarantee you in 2004 she wouldn’t have gotten 40% of the people saying it you know they were okay with the idea about the relationship I just wouldn’t have happened so yeah that was really exciting and it really seemed like the culture was ready to start finding a new way of relating because you’re moving into designer relationships where you wanted to move Beyond a binary concept you know either you’re open you’re closed your monogamous or your non-monogamous and that fact is is no one is either one of those were kind of in a Continuum in the middle 10% of purely I don’t like things to contemplate to find out how and where they uniquely find their loved one at relay and now you know when stop comparing yourself to this like the monolithic mono normative saying that it’s and it’s mythical everyone acts like it’s very real but no two people to find it the same way and I need to let me know I think that we also have a lot into history and and and sort of the way that relationships have evolved in our society and I grew up in the 70s and we people talked about premarital sex you know save it for marriage but you could do it before you got married Twin Oaks who is is there are are are beef I guess is not is with his unconscious with a forcing of people like they do but where else to be in life sign a contract for life and never discuss the terms with the person you’re going to we wanted he were big fans of chosen monogamy and we do and we’ve interviewed couples that have gone through all kinds of relationships tiles and realize that their who’s in the best Ultimate relationship style is a monogamous one for the midnight that’s gorgeous whatever your relationship starts to look like as long as it’s chosen consciously and after many discussions and when many possibilities are you going to really land on what’s perfect for you and your your beloved’s Sunnyvale you know depending on circumstances I mean so yeah do you do you have more you want to share about the course that you just the course where you put together and that seems like it’s a head that must have been a major undertaking to take this and make it into a real track you can take an individual course of anybody’s welcome so you don’t have to be on track to become a sexologist so you can just take an individual course just cuz you’re interested in that topic and yeah it we outlined introduced the students to various relationships types and really that a lot of people really enjoyed and you know it it’s a I don’t remember how many lessons are exactly in the course but there’s homework with each one is it 14-3 assignment for people to watch and respond to songs that deal with different kinds of relationships Styles it’s a sex continuing ed credit eligible and is there another one where else we go we want people to write their definition of monogamy I believe that’s in there I haven’t it’s been awhile since I basically it’s geared toward people who are dealing with clients so we want to provide students with tools to help clients who are dealing with these type of questions and he’s that process right that’s so cool yeah just said that I don’t people don’t know what they don’t know and if they are on the language they can’t even imagine thinking out of the box into this ether of amorphous who knows we’ll head but if there’s actually a structure of known relationship types that can be patterned and can be sort of model and then and then adapted that’s seems like a really should go back earlier and in our armed or primary education about what’s possible designer by no means comprehensive because you know you know it’s a rough outline but it is not completely new wrinkles that you know people to find sex or sexual energy is also still expanding its exciting yeah definitely this is it’s great that there’s a the demand is is increasing and you all are on the Forefront of supplying some very healthy guidance and I think about it it’s a lot of people that don’t live well or represent their lifestyle of being on a ton truck path well or can kind of give it a bad name or they can leave a bad taste to return people ask but I feel like I owe you all have a sort of a higher level of as you might not see but certain certainly credibility and having your lasted as a passionate couple and then do you want to talk about what what his work best for you or what some of you know if you had to drink some of these obviously like you said everybody’s different but you know maybe there’s probably beginner and up to advance levels that require a lot more self-mastery and then you know I’m just wondering if you have a sort of a simple cheat sheet to the beginning was really really that’s the foundational practice process communication is important talking to be overrated that means basically people feel a rift you know they still a little distant from their partner and they think or maybe a little irritated me they have some conflict and the first thing I want to do is start trying to talk their way back into feeling connected again and the reality is that’s really backwards you communication is not going to happen well when you feeling misunderstood her or distant from your partner you you got to be in with connecting silently on energetic level and once you start to feel that your breath relax and all of that and then start those conversations with me it’s worth the effort and it takes is stops a lot of microaggression Tendencies You Know You Remember on a deep deep level that you’re really Partners you’re together and that whatever this issue is your working together collaborating to come up with Solutions you know you’re not working against one another and so the eye gazing we do it will we do it if we feel a little bit of a rest and ideas for 3 or 4 minutes is it happened before where Markle go okay you know we can talk now you know what was bothering you and I’m like what I don’t remember you know and sometimes really what’s bothering you is that you’re still out of sync you know it’s not the milk it’s not you know who wrote that email is not that silly stuff you just want to feel connected yeah there’s certainly I totally agree with that I feel like I’ve had two I wanted to win getting becoming romantic with someone really build the habit of no dancing through conflict or you know okay we got to somehow meet in in the non-verbal affirmative space and then that just takes that for one if you’re you’re less likely to yell at each other if you’re sitting really close to her chest in the tenderness is Whispering and being closed it it just takes that that said out of the emotions little bit of sure idea out there in our culture that a happy relationship is a conflict-free relationship and actually City’s true that to be wrong if couples report that they never fight they’re lying so yeah we fight but we get through it and so it is not looking for Conflict Free your conflict as an opportunity to really learn more and get to get deeper connection and game deeper understanding and not weeds to bonding it’s how you resolved the conflict that matters really more than whether it’s there or not you are prescribed so to speak of or around the issue if I’m having kind of a mission statement in a bigger picture in a higher purpose that’s really well defined and can kind of always be dated but I just feel like if a couple is living moment to moment just trying to get their basic kind of childish needs for Comfort mat and they’re not focused on the bigger picture where they’re going to accept that there’s going to be some molehills that you know you don’t want him to turn into mountains in your really focused on a higher Journey you know a bigger Mission so is that something that you have seen as being a core element to successful Partnerships and something that you would see no invite people to explore purpose statement of purpose and I think you know why are you guys so fucking good together you know why are you so awesome what’s list all of that and be clear and then move on to you know of those wonderful what is are there ones that we can explore further you were Superstars now what if we could eat at the same time is our and then we move into goals you know Siri start with reaffirming your foundation people who wanted to open a relationship or start being more adventurous sexually together and we we did encourage them to craft a statement of purpose around. Specific thing so you know what do we hope to enhancing our relationship through this exploration what you know what are our concerns how can we deal with those concerns so rather than having rules and agreements other of those have their value this was much more about having having mutuality having shared goals and then we we type of expanded that incident the entire relationship it’s you know it’s not a contract it’s not a negotiation it’s a it’s a vision statement this conversation and talk about the Uso and it in there this you want to also talk that if we feel like we’ve hit a bump how are we going to how we going to get back on even footing and I know what works for us are we going to let you know take a break let’s say you know we’re exploring BDSM or something as a you know what exercises you know what is that happens all I’m going to need a week off you know just to contemplate and you know what Justin and then we can talk again or talk about it again or whatever works for everyone I’m kind of seeing that there’s more power and resilience in the affirmative the foundation material that you’re describing and lessen the yeah punitive scary rules what all hell you know what the hell breaks loose will be the end of the world if our the deal breakers in all that negative stuff I feel is what kind of event horizon or what I’m what I’m working through that I’m curious if you know what you what your thoughts will be is around around the the work of sexual healing and in working with survivors of sexual trauma and sort of what I’m arriving at myself as a Survivor who’s been sort of called by that the Dharma of being in service and is a DACA morning to do that in the most highest ethical way in and have the most accountability in the most scrutiny and oversight I’ve kind of arrived at it at a point where I feel that there is a a I need for certified Collective collectives of healers to work together in where there’s various roles were people are playing you know you sure very all very well-versed in the different healing techniques and it feels like a lot of my peers and colleagues who are in the mail. Ghostface are really putting themselves and their their clients in in potential Peril by just working in privacy alone without at least one Observer who is a nurturing playing a role of a nurse that say but I feel like what what I’m hoping this can evolve towards is and I’m kind of pioneering this in my own practices is more of a collective safety-net almost like a sexual healing welfare program where instead of getting into a toxic relationship where you might you know have to relive trauma or be with an unskilled non-healing the person that there’s a sort of foundational opportunity to experience and to have a a bare minimum requirement of your nourishment nurturing and healing needs met and then that gives you more discernment in the dating world but say I’m just wondering if you have what your thoughts are advice around people who are a little more sensitive and Andrew and you know they’re just trying to kind of put themselves back together in and use the time the time sheet skills and in tools for those kind of purposes back to the early days when Patrician I met I made a very conscious choice that I didn’t want to identify as a Healer I didn’t want to do healing work because I don’t think that’s where my skills are I think of myself as an educator and I think that it’s very very perilous when you get into positioning when when anyone gets into the positioning themselves as being a Healer site I’d like what you’re saying about accountability I think that’s really important and it’s been lacking in the Tantra world for sure I like the community relational part because the person facilitating really right it’s basically you’re guiding your client into understanding and finding their own internal part of their self that will heal themselves you know you should feel like taking them to finding their so call themselves you know so but in that the collaborative part I think that’s when that happens it’s a relational process as well I guess it a crude sense I kind of feel like what happens is that you’re just jump starting someone Shakti and then once you kind of once they’re running again then they can start to rebuild the you know the resilience in themselves and make better decisions ultimately and just get out of those karmic loops and knots that if they’re really depleted in The Prana you know and they’re just all the whatever pranav they have left is just being sort of sucked out by human energy vampires and buy their own inner you know energetic parasites than there really crippled and and you probably see people who get to get into a healthy tantric Community or a relationship that’s not re-traumatizing and isn’t corrupt then you see people really bought them out of just been amazing before-and-after Transformations and just yeah there these there’s a lot of issues involved in that process where if I got really want to be funneling folks to your work so that they can let say have more skills and tools to not over over identify with or bond with her project things on people who are playing a more healer surrogate kind of role and you know that’s that’s a whole a whole can of worms so any do you have any thoughts or vice around kind of energetic sovereignty and how you build that how do you help a person build that up so that they are capable of being in other people’s energy and getting sort of a taste of that nurturing nectar but not getting addicted to it and falling into another trap opposition and Power boy and I are at your I think you’re very wise track to think of having a community of healers that work together and you know or maybe accountability and stuff but yeah power power oh boy you can have all kinds of rhetoric we’ve been around Racine where people we’ve seen people get up and give a lecture and talk about how humble they are the whole time and really go on and talk about how amazingly humble they are they are so humble that you know on a very famous preacher invited him on his private jet and it was like what I was looking at 4 to get a Christian but you could hear it from anybody and I need any and deficient used and so just because someone’s using a language and has sort of the tone and sort of has that demeanor really trust your gut feeling because some of the most lugubrious you knows live people can cause such damage and be really drunk on Power and Drunk on Power can be being so humble that you know I only need a bowl of rice today and I want to tell the world I only try so I live off of are you know it’s Wednesday you know when it is so slippery sing it really is another thing that is that’s really important and I think doesn’t get talked about enough and I’m going to use it therapy word but I think it’s super important for anybody who position themselves as any kind of authority is countertransference and I think that too few people who are in the role of being teachers healers whatever doing of self-examination look closely enough of what their motives are what their agendas are what they’re projecting onto the person they’re working with what you know how their ego is being fed and all of this and I think it’s it’s just majorly important for people to do that and you know what you were talking about before about community and accountability is one way to keep sad you know in the in the Forefront but it’s super important because I think the people frequently get re-traumatized because the person who’s been entrusted with their well-being isn’t self-aware enough we don’t we really there is certain areas we do not go as deep as some of these incredible. Dekhini healers you know go really into some deep hugely powerful I I personally don’t feel strong enough and rude enough to go to certain ducks with people on my work with people who are good with people are not so good we’re grounded a not so grounded and I decided early on that I really didn’t feel that I could handle the doing the Hands-On work that it wasn’t my where my skills were that I could be more effectual as as a teacher and a guy I think that those issues of transference and countertransference can still show up but they’re a little bit easier to manage and and I can feel that I’m clear and clean is a row that I’ve chosen do you feel like some of that the problematic the Tendencies just have also to do with the murkiness in the liabilities involved in the end of the doctor patient therapist patient sort of from the financial Dynamic and that expectation of certain results based on certain payment method plans and it’s it’s it’s it’s hard to fit this kind of stuff into that’s why it’s been so taboo for so long in the western clinical you know world right it’s it it’s the slipperiest of slopes and see how do you the money has nothing to do with it I mean people can act and you know say hey I’m going to give you a free session and they can still be unbounded so the money I really doesn’t make you found grounded or not snappower okay so what my ideal vision of the world I want to be born back into a hacking my next life you can say is that I would really like they’re four they’re too I like to leave this world knowing that I was helping You instrumental in setting up a sort of a sort of Clinic style way for people to access sexual healing in group settings where there’s a diffusion of power and a rotation of positions of perceivable power and not going in both directions so basically no one no one could it be put on a pedestal and no one could be perceived as being on a pedestal if that pedestal is is in rotation and there’s a sort of flattened hierarchy of you could call and Priests and priestesses or whatever but if we we have a fantasies about how there there were temples where people had work this kind of stuff out and you know for example if a Warriors coming back from Battlefield would get loved on profusely by skilled dakini lovers or lovers and it wouldn’t whatever configurations and then they will be returned to their Villages and and be restored and sort of deal you traumatized so they wouldn’t just come back and be a menace in their communities and you know where seems like we don’t have opportunities like that and the next best thing is just whatever is going on at the local dungeon for a play Party in the king scene in and I don’t want to put that down anyway but I feel like there’s there’s just not as much of a developed it’s tell me if I’m wrong but it doesn’t seem like there’s as much of it as a developed kind of Fellowship around tantric communal play space that’s really intention to for healing and nurturing there’s just not as much of that infrastructure culturally as areas within the can-can BDSM world and I’m wondering if you’ve encountered kind of fun any Collective type resources whether it’s through Meetup sore or people just operating you know on a mailing list that are there living room or you know it’s absolutely not going to happen tomorrow at the YMCA they’re not going to have a contra de you know but but so we have to build and that you know that that was the young men and women’s Christian Association so there is a young man and woman’s Tantra Association where you go and you learn stuff and you’re at you know you get to practice Sexual Health and Fitness and Wellness and your supported and it’s affordable and mean and it’s just an institution or just visit I really want you to create this could and then I really want to attend this could be my trip but I really think one thing one way of keeping power and check is to do it as soon as low-cost or no-cost as possible so One Vision I have recently was just you know if you was just getting together with anybody who’s the first in many different healing modalities and have it be a healing Circle for healers but not like you to cover the cost of a room rental but beyond that no one’s pocketing any cash know once you know and then you get to draw cards and have an individual healing session with pure who does another modality that I think could really flush out everyone’s skillset and heal the Healer right put it up there and see if it goes viral see if people want to create just tell people how to create it in their community and see if see if people take bite and start doing it is the singer healers without healers become dead Healers so what are the things that we’ve always been about is Building Bridges among different communities so we we’ve done a lot of stuff with tank communities on swinging communities in finding the places where these things overlap big the kind of ghettoizing that that tends to happen in a lot of these movements is not productive and it’s much wiping much more worthwhile to look for places of of commonality so tatra and King you know there’s a lot of commonality I think that that’s something that we didn’t really understand until we started going to we’re so scared oh my God who is wow oh you know cuz they’re highly focused highly intentional energetic exchange is very you know each state staying there assistance suspended in a long periods of time you know it really changes but you know that there are again I’m going to go back to this efficient deficient you know I mean you can find people doing really bad Tantra I’m so I mean just cuz that you’re modality doesn’t mean you’re free of having bad sex so well well thank you so much we’re definitely yeah we’ve covered a lot of stuff and if you have do you have a few more minutes to take a few more questions and then we’ll call it a day teachers URL cuz I really wonder if people www. John Mumford it’s j o n n Mumford consult. Com consult singular so John Mumford consult. Com appreciate the pain that tribution are for sure it’s great so I’m just going to take a couple of breaths and kind of drinking what we covered in yeah I feeling like the big question for me and kind of overarching question for all this is is the I think the real the real gem or the real the core personal development peace that I I feel you owe are really a Guiding Light for and I just want to see if we’re if we’re speaking the same language about it it’s just this this hope that an individual who who is Ben Le say as long as as long as the Disney Classics are shaping the minds of every child you know we’re basically on I’m doing a deep conditioning the prince and princess fantasy of love and romance which is I will kill myself if you fail me in any way shape or form so it’s a constant hostage situation in every buffered by both so I would say there’s self-love there’s the love being connected to Nature there’s the love of being connected to the Divine and then if those three cylinders are functioning properly not even to mention all of that deep tissue chakra energetics and breathing stuff but just you know you spend time in nature you have a spiritual practice you don’t hate yourself and don’t feel internally depleted so then you can go out into the dating world and an in and instantly just people with lower vibrational Tendencies what kind of bounced off and then you can not be so you basically be immune to two unhealthy forms of codependency and that to me is like the the most beautiful transformative thing to witness about getting someone through a bunch of solo Township before getting them into you know I mean I got to eat the rice paragus before they get to eat the ice cream which is you know having time for a relationship or being in a group timeshare Pooja or something that’s more risky and you would want to have built at internal Court those pillars of of love and can and that’s kind of my my little micro thesis about about all this preparing to me no kind of the internal preparation to have more designer relationships do you all have a thoughts on what what what the solo times for the rigor of solo Township why it’s necessary and what you recommend for that to just be the preliminary for exploring these these non-disney well maybe Disney will do something like this is with yourself and to really relate yourself as a beloved and really nurture yourself and seek to fortify yourself sick to be in awe and wonder of yourself you know you can only spend so much time with someone else 32 x with yourself and sometimes a majority of your sex is with yourself too how to get completely free of all the baggage I mean we we live in a world where we’re bombarded with the baggage all the time just being in our culture right now is constantly traumatizing so I think that for me the purpose of the inner work is to develop self-awareness to know that you know we we to know what we’re carrying and to be less controlled by it you know it in some of the Buddhist Meditation they talk about noticing the gap and that doesn’t mean we don’t have the feeling but we we can notice the gap between the ceiling in the action and maybe choose differently so it’s a it’s a really slow process sometimes it’s three steps forward and four back and then it’ll be five forward and two back that it sits on going and I think it’s it’s really important to to keep that self-awareness the law you know throughout and and that’s it’s only with that but then we can then we can be in a relationship and aware of others awesome do you have any you just tips for the individual who feels like they they want to just all that rebound and the withdrawal symptoms of relationship it’s it’s it’s hard to get people to take the leap of faith to really do the inner work if they haven’t had a breakthrough yet so you know if you have any tips for people that might be listening while I want to access all this stuff but it’s it will be easier just to go and throw myself throw myself to the first take her at the singles bar our senior practice is our favorite relationship practice is eye gazing and ideas with yourself in the mirror and seal that deep reverence really don’t just look at yourself as an object we I think often objectify ourselves when we look at ourselves in the mirror really like look at yourself and be present with yourself it that’s it’s incredible and really just three to five minutes a day and people will feel change what you’re saying is super super important that I don’t know that I have a wise answer to it but we are conditioned so much to feel that we only have value to the extent that were in a relationship with another person people who choose to be single in our society are still really stigmatized there still the assumption that if you’re single it’s either because there’s something wrong with you you or you just haven’t found the right person yet and I think that it’s really really important for people to not to to step off that Marygrove Merry-Go-Round for a while to feel that if they’re in a relationship that ends that now I’ve got some time to get to know myself and I don’t have to jump right back onto the Merry-Go-Round very very hard thing to do I have a good friend who just passed away unfortunately but he was so much in this and he he fall in love with a new person every 4 or 5 months and you know be ready to sort of spend his life with them and they were moving into moving out moving in and moving be by yourself for a while and he couldn’t do it and I think that’s that’s true for a lot of people on and so then why do I have no wisdom because I just don’t know if you’re so caught up in that model and you can’t just take a breath and take a pause and say I’m going to take the time and be alone and and love the Solitude tapping into some deep love for yourself and really you know presents with yourself and being content you might not ever feel be able to find it with someone else I mean that that’s the attitude right you can’t love someone else until you fully love yourself and it did it becomes a platitude but there really is real a real part to it I mean serious stuff so it’s making me think that there could be a a new paradigm for a singles bar where you’re there to celebrate being single and he has to stay single where I’m going to have sex without the expectation that it’s got to mean I mean I think that it’s like we still you know that premarital sex thing I mentioned at the beginning we still I think are carrying that idea that sex has got it mean something more than just two people getting together to enjoy each other and that’s pretty wonderful meeting I mean Rockville over something like that out there trying to revalue the one-night stand or hookup culture there’s a misfit it leads to you know people feeling despondent devalued and in the in the studies are not proven that to be true there there are just as many people to feel a burst of energy and increasing self-esteem more Connection in the world and they don’t you know in that that one night stand that hook up was profound longevity doesn’t equal quality you know I’m saying it’s a it’s an allergy to have you ever heard of a term called bloatware it’s it’s it’s not like spyware or malware but would say you’re downloading something in you you think you’re only getting that program and then if you don’t check check the custom install they automatically inserts like five other programs in that hijack your browser in your search bar and all his stuff they call it bloatware and I feel like that’s that’s what happening when people believe that if you have sex with someone you also have to there’s an unspoken contract that now you owe them some chunk of your life and it’s so yeah it’s it’s it’s it’s a weird form of non-consent to have expectations that aren’t clearly laid out but alcoholism well but I agree totally yeah that’s that says it will be beautiful to have safe experimental environments early just list that stigma so people could stay kind of yeah I think this is all moving in in in in that that that general direction where if if less and less baggage coming in more and more gender fluidity and that helps people you know if your if you enjoy sex with both or or both genders and Beyond then it’s hard to pigeonhole one person is expecting them to give you everything and you know if you if it’s already kind of out-of-the-box you you know that you can never be in anyone’s everything because you you know you that they would desire more and that’s okay that’s kind of a nice buffer on that proprietary kind of clothes thinking too so a lot of material for people to follow up with and if you want to talk about your horizon what you might have coming up and certainly how people can connect and and and get your website info and all that good stuff getting contacts www Tantra Porsche m.com Emma’s and marks of tundra pm.com we started doing Skype sessions wish we can be everywhere where everybody wants to learn but I’m in we also work with couples and more songs privately in the New York metro area Denver at the conference in April doing the keynote there and teaching workshop and will be in Washington DC for a Sex Therapy you at the end of April and a sect Cee program and certification program and we’re going to be hanging out with you when you get your your time to do the people you know yes cool yeah cuz it is kind of a country club it’s in the it’s in more of a country club kind of template right now but it definitely can can trickle down and they’ll be time for philanthropy and I will thank you to so much for again your infinite Glory I’m a big fan and that you know I say when I start to slow down to the point of of written text and not just million podcasts and million windows open then I will be catching up on your backlog of of your books and in the meantime I I definitely just to send good prayers and and lots of Hope and I love your way so keep rocking it take care bye-bye you for listening to the touch of Time Podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition of sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples that provide ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episode if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email event at Tantra Punk. 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Higher Paradigm Dating, Polyamory & BDSM with Isantis TPP92

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Isantis PicIn this episode I’m joined by the highly accomplished and deeply insightful Rev. Brian Krall aka Isantis Tao. He shares some background on his paths of initiation into various wisdom traditions of loving, healing, and spiritual arts. We discuss some of his holistic approaches to helping people with love, dating, relationships, polyamory,  and beyond. We also explore his unique and enlightening experience of bringing a tantric approach to kink and BDSM.

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Rev. Brian Krall, also known by his Shaman name Isantis Tao, is a Holistic Healer, Personal Development Specialist, Social Scientist, Sexual Educator, Metaphysicist, Taoist Shaman and Tantric Yogi of Sri Vidya. He has been studying Health and Holistic Healing, Personal Development, Psychology, Philosophy, Spirituality, Metaphysics & The Occult for 19 years. He was initiated as a shaman 13 years ago in a traditional Death initiation and has studied and practiced many of the world’s predominant forms of Shamanism. In February of 2010 He was initiated into one of the worlds most ancient tantric lineages, the Daksinamurti lineage, by world famous guru Sri Chaitanyananda Nantha Saraswati, at the Sri Rajarajeswari Peetham (Temple of The Divine Universal Queen Mother Goddess), part of The Sri Vidya International Tantric Temple Society. He trained there for several years in far Right Handed Tantric Hindu Metaphysics, Rituals and Sanskrit Chanting. Over the past 14 years he has authored 10 books on personal development, relationships/sexuality and metaphysics/spirituality. He has been offering personal development trainings and shamanic apprenticeships for 13 years. And has a Holistic Personal Development, Relationship and Spiritual training company called True Life Development that he has owned and operated for the past 7 years. Be sure to check out his website at www.TrueLifeDevelopment.com where he offers many free informational videos and articles, as well as next level products and programs.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin eligible oven smoking Tacos on podcast episode number 92 I’m here with Reverend Brian Krause I’m screwed lights development and he is special educator tantric yoga in Dallas, and amongst other things and then thrilled to have another man on the show to talk about spiritual sexual past us and lightning and and and also there’s going to be some interesting exploration of the country is the first to some of the video send out there today and wanted to tell us a bit about your background how you discovered these past and how you leave them together so since the great offering she survived for the world now yes thank you very much I’m really excited about this I know that you’re going to be asking me some very interesting questions than that I don’t normally I’m pretty excited to do this and yeah the traffic to talk about the ways in which the world is BDSM in the world of Tantra and sex magick and Shamanism CareerLink ductwork for can be really interesting topics to be able to go into a little bit about myself I am a personal development I’ve been practicing and studying for almost 20 years and then I started offering and it’s offering personal development trainings about 12 years ago and I have been studying psychology and sociology for about 30 or four 15 years and I actually almost 15 years now and sexual education for about 16 years out of the ground and Company for about seven years for about 15 years and was initiated as a charm on about 12 years ago and now I am also a country was initiated to ask Ving Temple of the Divine Universal mother goddess at what it’s called a part of a temple society called International Temple society and I was in there about seven years ago and was trained intensively there so I don’t know a lot of things together really well as part of the holistic Spectrum you know how I feel at all is very integral to one another and you know it all cooperating really well I’m really excited to hear about that at all things esoteric and otherworldly and Thistle and then turn off you know from your cares if you had a OK Google moment in your adolescence or where it where the bleeding ulcer to begin I realized that modern Western Christianity just wasn’t doing it for me and everything that I’ve been taught through myself to conditioning and the status quo just wasn’t just didn’t seem to be working just didn’t seem to be well Aaron. You know the modern sofa conditioning in modern washing Christianity so I got into different forms of world religions and Eastern religions and I started looking at things with his taoism in Hinduism and also magic as well and various philosophies and metaphysics geology and physics as well as other things that were caught by Society here and didn’t seem to really make sense or really work for me you know I’m so I’m so that’s where I began my journey into the start of the truck around with all of this stuff and it just sort of a more and more over the years do you want to talk about what you doing now and how you’re taking that training and gifts and turn them the world’s biggest offerings right now is called the ultimate sex god or goddess training program for the sex life of your dreams review everything that you need to know about human sexuality from sexual psychology and building your sexual identity to sexual communication in the social science of sexuality and sexuality to seduction and foreplay and arousal to Central play and sexual techniques and sex positions and orgasms to the sort of sex magick and Tantra and then finally relationship management know about human sexuality in a very practical manner Ave development course which is like my Flagship corporate or less about me and teaches you everything you know about personal development in all of the Africa the holistic Spectrum from house to Identity in Psychology to professional development to relationships to the law of attraction in circle has worked so I called the power of you self-actualization blueprint trying to master their dating life and find the right partner or Partners I have a course called the easy automated maintenance systems which basically just further takes all the bullshit out of dating for people like myself who are very busy and don’t have a whole lot of time to invest in you know going out to bars all the time to find people on a horse that’s not in the best way and I’m looking for a sustainable and easy way to integrate dating into their lives or very high standards in Partners in no one find the right partner or partners and you know maybe even many partners this is a really great course that teaches you so that it can finish your busy lifestyle and helping to get the right partner partner and I got a lot of little and Seabrook and ecology I feel like I want to I want to connect with you and see if it’s kind of opportunity so people in Canada common offering graphic training on how busy you are what your workload is like in there may be a free consultation so that they can understand what they’re getting into and out of any questions answer that the training program is right for them and there is a good thing for them if they are interested so yeah I definitely do that some of that and I could just say I have my very similar kind of integrated multidisciplinary background on what happened I guess you could say Mastery and expertise and in various areas and being able to synthesize the past but I am curious. If I were to go into a mode where I’m just curious attempting to be like a late person if I could give you some general questions that I think they’re kind of from the try guys just text her a hold of you and modern society and just see how you were getting right with that to give the first certain things and reconstruct understanding a person’s will and being in alignment with their snow with her whatever level and then helping them grow in a way that they feel like they’re holding their own young and that your facilitator processor can I get a C7 info session questions of sort of like a demonstration or a mock-up of what type of device in and see how you were okay so if you think so what I am hearing for is with say I never said I know a little bit about the idea of Dharma and I want you to not live in the departed from negative Karma and psychodrama of unconscious relationship that’s what is a karmic Bond had enough of that and you want to be in what some people would say it in a jar Mike relationship where there is a higher level Fusion of Souls and soul circus where you’re not so much to do if your dog is but you’re actually really fine soon and storing in this optimized games of co-creation and Synergy and symbiosis with how could you help people who want to rise up to a more important quotes our next mission of a relationship as opposed to you don’t have to agree on exactly one simple schematic of a lot of people who are operating at a higher level of perfect in their sexual manifestation ritual not just hooking up in parking and being sloppy and even falling into whatever other people defined as king or some free casino scene of how to run returns if it sounds like you might have some really fit people want to live in a higher Paradigm I want to have higher Paradigm relationships and advanced level in order to get there when they relate to turn on the first thing you need to start with is yourself and your own Paradigm that you’re living in and you’re really sick for yourself your relationship to the world into nature and your lifestyle you’re sure if you’re trying to achieve her existence is a relationship for your connected to me to absolve your karma right and you need to adopt a better lifestyle Universal Law & Order on the way of life rules of compassionate lifestyle where you’re living in sync with nature and you are not harming or killing other being that you are not eating carcasses of animals doing that nature because man is not actually meant to animals who do not have a liveris digestive tracts we have a herbivore digestive tracts you. Only fall asleep with me for your body positive you’re surviving off of the pain and suffering and pain and you’re going to them on their negative energies in their car mats with also you’re taking a lower energy when you eat animals raise your credit survive can you control how does animal dies it would be probably quick and painless fear to shoot with a gun on Arrow that’s that’s not how these animals live in torture of other animals so that’s going to cause you to know where you’re taking on their comments but you’re causing suffering with me to take on bad karmas prevent you from raising your vibration at a casino hire Paradise arm and hand suffering in that you are firefighters frequencies for the spiritual dharmic wave life he realize that you are actually just a microcosm of the macrocosm curf one with the universe and a sort of manifestation of it a higher Consciousness into raise your Consciousness to a higher level and start to exist on a fire paradise and then of course you can other spiritual practices that fall into the realm of shamanism and magic and Tantra sex with yourself in the world around you by Bryson in the dating World a high Paradigm lifestyle able to transcend the status if you want to get a paradigm relationship and then you need to look for other people who are not victims of the native people who are slaves to the status quo have devised this dating program where I get you out of there dating life so it doesn’t take a lot of time and energy to find people who are up higher standard and share in their special interest and you know the sort of alternative lifestyle that they may be a part of a haystack so this is all music from the dryer the people who are here sitting and I really love this terminology and using and I’m going to do this to you and then you can share this never heard I can study of all of the new age material as consume this is the first time I’ve heard the notion of higher Paradigm. And then how to repair time of anything sexual you know dietary otherwise you’re going she has their end result is that it’s going to measurably lower than a lot of other sister higher Paradigm that transcends time and space so I love that you know because they’ve got busy Lifestyles but you know it’s it’s really just an excuse when it comes down to it because I’m going to the farmers market whenever you have time and stocking up on stuff and put it in the freezer meals for the week poster slowing their body down in the bodily processes they’re making yourself less intelligent and Also spiritually speaking to the body nearly impossible it is like trying to paddle a boat Upstream against the current Without a Paddle has been able to attain while eating anything but there are higher state because they have a healthy diet that is mainly made up of fruits and look at all the Buddhas look at all this in Hinduism and it makes everything in your life so if you find yourself functioning better but still eating more and spiritually it just raises your Paradigm so much for automatically very welcome and Horticulture and landscape design and if so yeah it’s good if you have to read about for the wedding and I repair Diamond automatic another thing that comes to mind you can always say the simple I didn’t say the farmer or pay the doctor or become a powerful modernization and Empress life hacks your reticle hear this hypothetical of time stay away from to relationship Paradigm and I can save it on it’s been abysmal technology startups for the power to connect people and make it easier to really find out what is what some of this back in thinking that’s who I am to your swing by and dating you know how do you order some chips that don’t give away your secret sauce for get people interested in learning more you know how do we find out if we’re honest ass and we want to find other people what do you suggest programs is a ton of Academia and science courses really work out everything to a science and address it from all the different angles psychology sociology spirituality into what I’m doing you don’t like basically creating your life like you’re running a business dealing with things like that that’s what I think is really really helpful that I do with a lot of my courses you know I have people your life right neurologically for success in the aspect or area that they are looking for in so there’s like two people use or Nearly Witches programming people use in their sleep disorder recalibrate their brain for success in that area which is dating I have things worked out to a social science right so I deal with the whole entire process of selecting mates and it starts with you and carry out what it is that you really want writing out what kind of relationship that you want here and then from there you can devise how it is that you would actually look for these types of people and find them he would talk to them to sort of engineer the right interactions that go towards the type of relationship do you want with these type of people on how you’re going to qualify and disqualified partner to find out if they are the right partners for you right and then from there you know I teach people how to properly flirt and then crashed into a partner to turn the instructions on how to get people out on your porch developments that you want to be having with this person and then how to create sustainable healthy relationship so that you know you’re making sure that this relationship is going to work and be successful in talking with people you know what is going on in your mind and how you are calibrating yourself for dating and how you’re going to be a partner for this person might because the only one to track people who are like you right if you want and you have to be there at your own personality and figure out what you want and how you’re going to devise lifestyle faxes for that and I’m ways of socializing that are good for that so it can be used for love and another goddess is all love because that is the only eligible power and everything gets fed on the way that was the most Exquisite beautiful Treatise on Tantra that I feel like I’ve ever heard and so it’s it’s a it’s spellbinding and I feel that I just blessed blessed to hear these these words be spoken and by you and and I’m curious if you would like to guide us through what your creative Works have been I know you’ve you’ve you’ve got too many directions since the book was released but I’m curious what do you recommend people start to discover beyond the book that that you feel most proud of and and thank you yes well you know I do see the whole thing at the adjoining and I I I came in as a bikini but I didn’t really know myself and I spent the first part of my life and I think it’s natural for beings to do that to spend the first part of their life but then who am I trying to know oneself and then that way you differentiate your paws from what has been necessarily conventionally and you you you choose this especially if you’re a person just naturally go to the beat of everybody else and you know I know. Keeney is now have been their name is being taken before I kind of embodiment within but you know what they represent in essence is in at the embodiment of a feminine wisdom principal they are archetypes of wisdom wisdom which comes at you naked because it is naked it butt naked truth it’s naked just radiating blessed through every pore and it’s disruptive because it passed away all the things that you because I think you relied on and all those artifice is an old as he go dramas she just Trampled Under Foot and lost and she’s drunk on the blesiv share spontaneous being yeah in the other part of my life before I discovered Tantra and the reflection that I came in just trying to see who am I and in that I said who am I and how do I fit into the culture that I find myself in and it’s my own self and what other projections of others and how am I seeing and how do I see myself and all these things I was bringing into my experience of and I found the technique of collage and that was when I was doing my thesis of surrealist artists map sons did a number of collage books using old engraving and in those books he put together the Engravings to create seamless new world but they were very Fantastical you know people had wings and snake came out between the Pavements and the real encounters happen but now look like they were meant to be like that all the time but he’s instructed them and you couldn’t see where they looked. Together they were a new world and I said I thought you could kind of see make it look like it’s not. But it’s actually fuse into a new reality and you can also really joke people’s perceptions by bringing together the things they wouldn’t normally associate together but by the juxtaposition you to create this what they call it in there so am I use those those tools of collage and use the loss of images of myself had my own photo taken and put myself in that so that I could be both see the Muse and the one I mean the object of somebody else’s view but with photographic and then I also made three dimensional objects and I use those cool things in a lot of pieces life cost of myself my own head button and then like us about the people that was similar to using photographic call out your photos Honda back in 73 I had an exhibition code opening which was all about food and the roster so I’m bringing together you know that the body of woman with the whole idea of the table together in that and it was very shocking to people dressed up I had a whole wedding cake constructed I’m prevented myself as with a van everything adds the wedding cakes at the invitation for the exhibition it was in a being fully engaged in in in the eye and after that I forgot I started it went through for 7 years which was a major I guess you’ll call now to send what was that word wasn’t used at the time but it was me looking at all the skeletons in the cupboard I had a relationship with this filmmaker and we were meant to be doing all these projects together and it never really asked you fully manifest and then we broke up and it was my whole drama with woman’s theater group and my what with them kind of ripping apart their relationship and then I just had to process all this cuz I would say I’m sorry can I ask you something really quick I don’t want to cry or be a gossipmonger anything but I feel that the the Dynamics between creative creative relationships romantic relationships and those the way those play out the Ender play especially if there is I don’t know what that was in your case but I’m I’m really curious to see what wisdom you would have to share about you about using tantric skill sets and tools to harmonize human personality conflicts that’s a big big question a lot to to explore but if you were able if you were confronting these sort of issues were you able to at least somehow raise the vibration you know even if there are deal breakers and things had to be you know closed off but I’m just curious if you were successful at all and applying principles or by Christopher Hills my you know the person who built this property here he did a book called creative conflict which was all about heart-to-heart communication and about people needing to be hard I’m so it’s at whole dynamic between having an exchange with someone else but that person letting you know after you’ve spoken from your heart but they have understood it reflecting it back in their own words to you and that you do that back and forth and it actually creates a whole different kind of feedback loop the misunderstandings that often have a good exercise based on you know Christopher understanding of those principles a yogi eyes pop from being a western scientist animal and he was all these things wrapped together but that was a very good example of principles into the relationship Dynamic but for myself you know that it’s been so many different relationships and even oceans and you know how many dimensions the last to it and each one I’ve had a few major relationships in my life apart from many other relationship but as a few major ones you know that had bad that even a beauty and then Gloria and the agony and you know all of that and I always say there’s no such thing as my student so I like to think we’re all students protection is setting in the area relationship dynamic especially going to the mat the male-female dynamic at this particular time on the planet is in such a challenge in at the rest so many areas that go across because she knows you think of just love and attraction and vibration if you like you know that conventional I’m just you know that Dynamic the spice of life and energy vibrations which you know I make everything so complex and setting it this time the whole sexual identity is something that so you know I’m in the midst for what it’s going to be the next evolutionary stage of how we’re going to be able to manage male-female dynamic in a new way and of course you know the true Keys the Contra do do hold those keys because it is a true and which ones have it if you are able to hold that Crucible and a gaining and it didn’t. Do you have the real chance to be able to see the Divine in each other and bring the Divine fully into that invaded relationship and that you know it’s just the the Beauty and the glory and the end of the immortal France and get moving into our discontent touched any magical ways but at the moment I’m playing a lot of challenging in our relationship not only to each other but to a whole The Crucible of plant it up and down with her that you know that the interpersonal has to also be expanded I believe attitude tantrica to include the whole interaction with all of our natural world at this point and really bringing that into every meditation and interaction really because we can’t afford to lie if that helps eco-warrior and was all about planting gardens and saving trees and I still am now but I feel like what I’ve added to that with Tantra is just a ever-deepening reverence for creation and for the Divine the astral the Earthly Plains all the things we often take for granted I just want to be in that state of reverence and awe that I think most people achieve that when they go into the Great Outdoors and then go hiking or skiing they they have a tantric sort of shocked if acacian of there at least their parts of their system get woken up an activated unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be enough to make them into real hardcore activists a lot of the times but I feel like the there is an ecological agenda that is very transparent and very intrinsic to the path that that romance with with the life-giving fertility of this divine feminine and if you know a lot of people experience very direct communion with the wisdom intelligence and directives of Gaia through this practice so do you want to talk a bit about that kind of revelatory ecological revolution of Tantra if you will be glory after the sexual Revolution and I would save the kind of a cool resonance that I’ve I’ve told condemned presentation to some of her because I really believe especially in the cold vibration that she said we’ve got to start treating the Earth like a lover not like a mother and it when you treat her like a mother it’s you expect the mother to get unconditionally do everything for you and you don’t have to give anything back but if you treat it like a lover than you you know show that you have to give love to that lava and it says to a slow and so that’s an important shift and I think that’s a good thing to bear in mind and I had one time when I was in my twenties and experience with some strange object did Johnny and in that time I had what I still feel program the most orgasmic experience that I had when I had it I was just lying back on this massage table I wasn’t touching myself but I was having these orgasm just passed through my whole body and what I was feeling at the time I felt like I was body of the Earth has style and the every single every single of an insect’s wing and the slithering of the body of a snake and the rustling of leaves everyone going through my whole being beautifully spoken and who could not want to experience that who doesn’t anybody out there not enjoy orgasm it’s a very small number and to the to think that it can become such a flow state of being that level of Sensitivity I kind of almost feel like what most people are striving for when it when they’re trying to get off you know whatever gender or sex they may be is there their they’re basically trying to use friction sex or some sort of high-intensity friction contact in order to kind of chisel or sandblast or break through all this plaque that separating their nervous system and their chakra system from the cosmic Bliss that is a constant wave of orgasmic energy so the more you dissolve that plaque through right action through dharmik practice and purification of all kinds that are very well enumerated in the tatras you know an in yogic texts and Vedic texts there’s a path way to clean your stylus and get more of that orgasmic slow going and it’s definitely so abundant and not so scarce like everything else that we’ve been tricked about as far as the scarcity mindset vs. the abundance mindset so that’s just a follow-up that’s from me and and now that we’re coming to a close on time do you want to talk about some of the anymore highlights from your creative works that people should be looking for then about what’s what’s the current and future of an exorcism it was called and said some the book that I put out and that was trying to look at all these psychological States and and who am I and is that I could dance we both kind of psycho and then I come out at the house and then I have discovered time trip by this point and then I meet Nick Douglas as I say and then we went on to do another College book called man the next to see which was just a celebration of coming out of the confines of this black and white house and all the Western Heritage Inn in the Himalayas and just everything is one century psycho-spiritual play of of everything the profaned the sacred oil mixed together and it was a it was just we were enjoying and I wish I knew how to do, what a wonderful tool it was expecting this and that was that serious and then at the same time we did the secret dakini Oracle which was the 64 card Oracle system in systems put that out and that’s being around working since then then I went to to the Caribbean I was there for 15 years at I-10 and time got a long story short I realized I was there because of the embedded energy of the Arawak Indians whooping for alcohol Caribbean free Columbus and the Magical and pure kind of society who had been swept under the carpet of history and speaking to me and so I firmly believe that the indigenous way of life is the way of creating sustainability for the planet if we can start to embrace him understand that engage instead of in a friend that to the side as the Civilization V how to be in tune with the spirit and all things so that was my home to that way of life but I did for my portraits and they are like Indians in my time that and then I came back to America in 94 after I was I was here before that New York I was working on my phone from about the Arawaks and I finish that and then it was then that I met Christopher Hills and came here and then for the time here I am held a lot of events dr. Christopher past but she did the 97 to bring in the goddess energy and I still would like you to describe them when we talk to them right to coming on on on the car that you were interested in the way of using the energy that is that in these events and we’re all these awful waves so all that happening and I still while we can offer them to the goddess and then she can give her grace to us and doing for several years he has many people from the whole graveyard from performance thoughts and in the area bringing them in and having people get their offerings to Spotify and then one. I made the 64 that key Miracle which isn’t Eeveelution of the nlra but this time each of the energy that he needs and I have 64 Oracle and I hope to do a nap cuz if it can meet chat father and that is like a temple for the goddess and an Oracle phone just working on more three-dimensional pieces the game and coming back into a focus of customizing they oughta game having reached out to all the Divine archetypes imma come back into a more personal expression and now that I’m done now I just want to see you on tour with the museum installation with all this I’m not the biggest art Aficionado in the world but of course I’ve I’ve been a fan of Alex Grey and H R Giger and what I after this conversation I feel like I got a lot of catching up to do on on what you put out that I wasn’t aware of and I’m really going to enjoy it so it is a sort of a sumtur got some guidance that you could provide to say hey go and you know you can go to your website and in and just order purchase what you have or their YouTube videos or any other ways to access your go to website since I mean Menards.com has a broad spectrum of the word that I’ve been talking about and then 64 the numbers that Kenny. Org is where you can go to consult the Oracle and but also that the gallery of the images of the Thai King is there and then the Blue Lotus pod. Com which is rstudio site which has some videos and Son photography so those are few things that you can look at to start with and I haven’t all page on Facebook too with how about Instagram of you if you got on that platform say it took me a while because I just have so many projects and engagements of all kinds I didn’t want to be distracted by something that was another no platform of that nature however I am totally convinced now that it is one of the most strategic leverage points for anybody with the message or Consciousness that can create visual content it’s amazing I just thought of something I wanted to say and it was about relationship and resolution from a perspective that we were talking about mentioning my exorcism though that thing about The Break-Up and processing of the relationship and that’s what spurred our conversation about relationship with my partner at the time and next month or beginning of next month I’m going over to the UK to go to a conference and speak that that’s about this film makeup Peter Whitehead and over the last few years we can get back together in the sensitive film that we did at the time which type of being shown all those years and I was able to show that the Hayward Gallery in London and oh so I’m speaking at the conference about him because it’s a whole retrospect if they take him to the archives at this University and son a solution of some quite powerful can you describe it at all or just footage that we shot at the same time I did all these photographs that became the basis of the footage of myself and my girlfriend and Peter Shaw hit in this old derelict mansion house could love and it’s all just showing it Roar has it came out to the time off to all these years after 1969 that was shot and I guess this unit many takes but it’s like in this time the space that it’s like a magical experience that’s amazing so is there any hope that we will get this that’ll get to see a bigger audience or what do you have his first plants with that now is scheduled to reach a larger audience is a documentary that just being made of me he was young filmmaker Cove it started walking on it in 2012 when I was over in the UK I’m getting a tour at the gallery about my work and he was excited and said, I shouldn’t interfere with you and that interview grew into the documentary what she’s dressed now completed and it’s all of my early walk treat antra I’m in London and a relationship with a woman that hole. And it’s called Penny Slinger Out of the Shadows quite a good release coming up shortly support and Discovery and in the promotion and I’m definitely want to continue to explore in and talk with you about how to support the mission that that was laid out and and I feel like someday I will somebody will be calling me and asking me what was the story behind what brought me to interview and people like you if this is my contribution to the world and there’s just an ongoing interest and it’s so interesting to see to get this background and to have to really just go on a sort of a Time a Time trip into these you know these different points in in your creative history and really if I could just ask you a couple more questions before we before we call it a night do you have a couple more minutes being this kind of bridge through these was one of the things to me that’s very important in the manifestation of my life’s Mission if you like is to be able to be active and relevant at this time in my life when I am old and that the wisdom of the wise woman knows he didn’t pack anything back into society and that’s what he need so much to be able to swear I act now I’m not wanting to be Destin historical figure but I am for the active right now I love that thank you so much yeah that’s I’m so thrilled again that we’re having this conversation and I feel like the the need is is greater than ever to access the wisdom of the elders going back yuno thousands of years and the question I actually want to ask you who really is like the what the let’s see the shocked it country code is the goddess worshiping country cuz whether they would be considered on the left hand path of the right hand path or generally I think more realistically it was a it was a sort of he was ambidextrous it was an ambidextrous way to be in in in the shock to Tantra schools where you were dabbling we’re not doubling but really actually working consciously with Desire with with Will with your will and also with the Divine elements but hopefully with Integrity to Lenny’s trainings you would be in service to add a v or in the process so that you would be sort of putting yourself to work for the Divine will and getting your commission of the small things that your small mind actually wants in this small slice of the universe or the universe and if I if I simplify what the essence of the positive empowered healing Reverend Liberatore nature of of the more feminist Tantra is about purification of those parasites of the heart that you mention you know earlier and if if that was the intention back then against the forces that Humanity was up against at that time that they warned us the forces are going to get worse it’s the Kali Yuga World age and we’re going to be inundated with these negative entities once again the technology that you were exploring and has continued to explore and her still as you said ready to bring to the present moment at this time of absolute sexual Madness more than ever through porn the the question is it took me awhile to get to it but how do you advise the world now about the need for Tantra what are your what are your words of wisdom and take as much time as is you have pleased to give us some guidance now Where Do We Begin what do we focus on and prioritize if we have limited attention spans you know yeah please and that was about a left hand or right hand Tantra and as far as I’m concerned they only real difference in a kind of pacification is that the right hand is to do with meditative Union with say the daikini and the right left hand is to do with actually taking an inverted Shakti to realize that Union but it’s both to do with the inner Union with the Divine being and then the interesting cuz I had it seems so simple but I had a revelation between like tantric meditation and the meditation of other religious forms is you’re not sublimating that energy that section energy you actually using that but what the right hand while you’re using it but with this entire no. Can you actually making love with the internal. Kini so it’s it’s using everything rather than denying everything so I just really wanted to address that because when you say to balancing photos of course you know the play is at the Contra dealer is that Tina between the outer and inner and other call BNI it within the soccer not the gross body that’s why it’s called the second body the energy body where that is you know that that in a erotic channel of energy where in at the Statue of Santa up to the crown and it’s all one energy and I said that they that the blessed is when you envision and experience the union of Shiva and Shakti in the crown chakra meaning like completely in their territory around but fillet in the cellular matrix honey and milk into the Lotus at the hot and got us that and that is The Crucible and that’s if the dentist thing to focus on in the inner plane that’s it because it’s about the dog and dangerous about the dog that hot ass between me and have a claim and it’s true that you know list for meditation that you can stop with the chief Zach time does all the time male body vibrates but we’re actually wonderful wave energy that you are manifesting it’s that I want it that you’re tuning into it with the gift-giving wow so the right-hand and left-hand path are not antagonistic that’s an illusion make the pads Chrysler make an ex or something in a beautiful dress right as bad as it spirals as it should beautiful thank you for that clarification I think that’s going to help a lot of people yeah so so I’m dressing and red and white snake spider and around but you know the contract principle is to get that energy than going into the central Channel which just you know is this I’m at wave of infinity no bottomless and topless photos of spiraling into that Central Channel yes yes thank you so much it’s as beautiful as it’s no wonder that your visual artist because you’re you creating a beautiful art form in the Maginot just through the word so and yeah thank you for that I am very excited to see what you continue to develop and and I definitely feel like his you’re saying it’s if it’s if the wisdom that you’ve been carrying is not percolating through the generations the way that it it we would hope for it to then I want to be stepping up as somebody who who really makes effort to connect people who are interested in erotica and neurotic media and the wisdom teachings that that you you share to be able to access them so hopefully this is one small step in that direction with doing this podcast and I’m going to definitely look forward to just catching up in schooling myself in your work yeah any other things you want to share before we go tonight you are sending out many good powerful vibrations to everyone who possibly tunes into this that they fix that part of being that country Quiva of the own Destinies and put themselves in the center of that own mandalas so that they a defect not just cause at the same time of cost aligning to the Divine headlights in the sky but your fulcrum and your guide so that you are at course but your turkey day at effect of the goddesses well, all right good night thank you so much pain he will text you and take care, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818 to 7515 3 or emo band at Country Park. 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Zane Pic 2 In this episode I’m joined again by Zane the professional male stripper. We explore his erotic adventures and discover parallels between his role as a party entertainer and the role of a sacred sexual shamanic initiator. We all have a lot to learn from this God among men!

 

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello their beloveds welcome to Township Funk podcast episode number 91 I am here with Zane the professional male stripper from Nashville Tennessee who’s done hundreds and hundreds of parties and has lots of stories to tell we originally did a podcast in June of 2016 episode 66 we talked a lot about Zane’s pass up to that point and we were hoping to follow up and get more into detail about some of the stories and if so if you want to get some of the background and more than overview that’s that’s the episode I’m off the man how are you very good very good it’s good to hear your voice awesome so yeah I mean like we did the last episode it went awesome we just didn’t have time to go into all the juicy stuff man like all the stories and all the debauchery and all the adventures in the evolution and everything that’s taking place all throughout man it’s been a seven-year Journey still going strong and you’re into talk about it man I couldn’t believe I can believe that I made the audition whenever I started stripping man and the journey and everything that’s happened in between it’s just it’s been such an unexpected right it’s been a complete thrill and it’s been an absolute honor to give this Russian this feeling and and that experience to the ladies that I dance for and all the people that have come in contact with and it’s been really really awesome so it’s good to be back man it is good to hear back from you, so what’s new what’s what’s been happening in your career you were last time you had said that you just hustling and it’s not as easy as people might think you got to really work it and you just established a pretty solid foundation for you after years of working it and I’m just curious how everything’s going and well you know I’m still doing shows I’m still doing party still doing bachelorette parties I’ve done a couple of Life Club gigs since the last time we spoke in let’s see what else is new I mean I’ve also been focusing a lot of my DJ sets lately and doing a lot with that I did a sorority party of this past weekend that was a lot of fun was like 50 60 semi girls there in Knoxville Tennessee it was a Alpha Kappa Delta or some three letters I don’t even remember and then I did a biker biker bar gig this past weekend and a birthday party at 21st birthday party actually well that’s so any highlights from those experiences at that definitely sounds like that’s why I’m here man dates a fucking service Dory man cuz I mean like cuz you know male stripping is is one of those one of those industries that receives very little spot light I mean like okay Magic Mike came out you know we’ve seen videos here and there is like Chippendales and some other male reviews here and there and that’s about all the real like knowledge or education that people get about this industry like everything else is mostly Miss and things like that the people don’t really understand and so when a real male stripper like myself comes out and over this past week I mean I just destroyed gigs that I just talked about and then those are real stories and so so few people actually know how it is and what actually goes on that exactly like it is a hell of a story it is a fucking Hollywood I love it and I’m so if you’re able to talk about it I mean this this past weekend was a trip man who made it always is it’s always a rush in the ladies always have a great time I think this this this last thing that I did at that biker bar man I don’t usually dancing bars not very often in this biker bar things that is some unexpected shit happened but with a total first for me and given the political landscape of our country at this current point in American history that happened that day my last gig it was a two-man party right so it’s supposed to be me and one other guy from the agency that is supposed to go and entertain the ladies and everything right so I didn’t know that it was a biker bar until I showed up some of the agencies are more specific and develop more information than other as of the nature of the party and where exactly is going to be they never told me that it was a bar they never told me that it was a biker bar I’d like this particular booking agent just texted me the address and so you know I’m texting the person to book me the customer that is not the agent and you know they were talking this match when I show up the guy that I’m supposed to be performing with is a black dude right and now this is a biker bar in Springfield Tennessee Springfield is the fucking country and dude got turned away at the door man he got turned away because he was black and I didn’t think that was going to happen I invited him to the show I mean like I was supposed to pick my second answer and he was the first guy that I had thought to pick you know so I invited to the show you know he’s a great guy with a ton of gigs together mean I work with him on and off for the past several years and yeah that was it was an interesting experience like it kind of reminds me firsthand like jam Prejudice in this country like you see it on the news you see it on TV and stuff like that and like let’s just be honest I’ve experienced just as much as prejudiced as a lot of black people have as male dancer mean I had doors slammed in my face because I’m white you know so mean it goes both ways it’s just one of those things where it like when it happens it’s it’s just kind of like an eye-opener it’s like it is I’m on the one hand it it made me upset and I felt really really bad for the guy I mean I swear like man. I put money in his hands anyway just because I invited them out and you know I showed up on time you know like like a professional and sound like dude. Some fucking money just just for showing up I’m going to give you your cut you know because I invited you and you know what happened happened I mean he took it like not personal though which is what really really stood out to me like the fact that he was so positive like when I’ve had prejudiced like don’t my way I got upset like me and I I really you know it was just a horrible night for me and I just I didn’t take it though he was still smiling by the time that he left he shook my hand he’s like man it happens to the best of us it happens to all of us man it ain’t nothing real professionals stay humble stay thankful for this and thank you so much for inviting me out here and he left with his head held high man and I got it I got to give it to him for that you know I really do that I don’t want to start the whole podcasting on that note I mean it conversation kind of went there I mean we can talk about the 21st birthday party or the fucking sorority party in Knoxville Tennessee that was like 50 fucking ladies all you know 18 19 year old drunk girls packed into a one of those College Apartments you know one near near the UT UT campus and know that party was that party was that party was so cramped I didn’t even have any room to move man like I had like five feet in diameter to move around and 2 birthday girls to dance for in 50-60 girls screaming to the point like so loud that I can barely even hear my own music girls up flipping them upside down they loved him and they ate it up and it was a black so I’d rather start the start the interview off on that note then the whole racial Prejudice and all that so yeah man light and Shadow swirling in this University of dualities that we’re trying to dissolve with love so you know who tows to you for stepping up and being a diverse honoring beautiful representative of the Divine masculine that’s really and you’re going into this is this is some serious Deep Cover spiritual operation Mission work you’re doing in the Deep South you know to be holding that level of Integrity to the purity of love and the diversity of us oh yeah cheers and let you know I just will just take that as a reminder that this is not too it’s it’s not it’s not a joke you know it’s not silly it’s serious and it’s fine but sounds like there’s moments like that we’re where you got a really yeah confront some shadow of stuff so I’m definitely interested to hear more about the the antics of the sorority so what was the context for that it was was at somebody’s it did it do that regularly or this was the first time they did it or what did you who was the the the the organizer or the sort of fun many many times I mean like clubs parties I think this would be my first sorority in Knoxville but it wouldn’t be my first sorority party in the context you know it was a it was a birthday party I mean it was booked pretty much like just about any other gig you know where where I get to the booking information and I pretty much take it from there you know I’ve got several several different booking agents from different companies different websites and everything in and so I have an entire network of different people that request and so this one particular company like they all do well text me the information along with the phone numbers and address that I’m supposed to go to and so from there I just kind of take a phone number text to him and I pretty much take over from there the entire interaction and me showing up to putting on a show that’s all on me so I mean that I’m pretty much like the fact that it’s 50 in a sorority house or apartment or whatever that was unique as for that one show but I mean every show is going to be unique in another cells right so it was it was it somebody’s birthday or was it just they have a budget and they wanted to try something new I’m just curious if if this could become like a residency for you you know show a residency as for people who are local I mean like most of the people most of the girls that I dance for are from all over the country and they all travel to Nashville because Nashville is like bachelorette party capital of America pretty much so me based in Nashville means you know a lot of a lot of shows in a lot of income for me these are Nashville girls which means I mean not not Nashville from Knoxville okay so that’s about 3 hours give or take two and a half hours outside of Nashville yeah I mean I gave the girls who book me my card actually gave her a whole stack of cards because she’s like okay there is like 200 fucking girls in this in the sorority we have a 21st birthday pretty much every week from one of our girls always like well fuck it here take and if my business card tells him she gave him out and hopefully I’ll hear back from them again and hopefully that will become a residency for me it’s funny that you mention that actually a residency because I biker bar as soon as I pulled in as soon as I pulled in there like I didn’t recognize the address or the roads leading up to it as soon as I pulled in I was like oh my god I’ve been here before I’ve actually been to that biker bar before man and it was I think about 2 years ago it was snowing like we had like I think 12 inches of snow are six inches or some shit like we had so much fucking snow I can’t believe that I didn’t that that that I made it to that bar about two years ago during the winter the first time that I performed there I mean I damn near got stuck in the snow on the way up there I mean all the back roads and everything that he got to go on to get to the to the bar and everything and you know to took my hand and you know the bikers out there there’s biker girls get wild man they fucking love me so you let you know dude was like Hey you know we we know the agency that you’re with and you know when we try to put this on next year we’re definitely going to ask for you again you know when they gave me a Sharpie and told me to write my name up there on the wall when everything else with their pictures with me so so it was good man was really good and it’s really cool like as an Entertainer that that I’m that that that I’m able to to bring that positivity the way that you phrased it was a bit more elegant when he said something like you know bringing that light into the D cells are in to Nashville or another country here Tennessee but but but being able to to to get on people’s good side whether it’s a biker bar whether it’s a sorority but there’s a bunch of you know crazy crazy drunk girls from Atlanta to Chicago New York Texas wherever and you know that they always have a good time and it’s always awesome and I’m just really really grateful just completely stoked to still be doing this like I said man 7 years ago whenever I first started stripping I couldn’t believe I even made the audition I’m constantly working at it constantly improving everything you know so so so I’m still working hard still staying humble and just learning from ever experienced man including that that that racial Prejudice thing including the experiences I’ve had with that in the past including the ups and the Downs Goods in the bags and that’s like man that’s life but you know that that’s where that’s where the most Evolution comes from a man at the contrast of all of that and you know that’s that’s like the heart of wisdom you know you don’t you don’t become why are you sitting comfortably on your ass every single day and just you know not not not not doing anything it’s it’s it’s on the front lines it’s it’s when you’re in the fucking trenches it’s when you’re at that show when you’re getting that door slammed in your face because you’re right and you’re out of black show and but let’s let’s not focus on the negativity man like it’s it’s once in a blue moon that we go through something like that it’s like I think there was like one or two times every that I’ve had racial discrimination there’s been a couple of times and other black dudes are Hispanic is gone through it that that’s all negativity I mean like for for every one of those situations there’s a thousand five star review super positive experiences You Know It’s Just Smiles all around the ladies had a great time and that’s that’s really what I live for really asked you about the envisioning now I have a 21st birthday party for a sorority members the sorority what do they call her like to do the queen bee the fucking top top of authority food chain I can’t remember if they called her the fucking team captain whatever it was but she was also there so it was two of them in the living room at this house until I showed up in my cop outfit right I love the cops when they don’t know that I’m coming you know like there’s only a small handful of girls another girl who took me two and a couple of other girls were in on it that I actually know that I’m coming to the birthday girl to the bride-to-be or whoever it’s a complete surprise like they don’t know that I’m coming and you know it’s all bang on the door and I’ll say something about a noise complaint you know like the neighbors called and said that you guys have been entirely too loud if y’all been drinking oh my God is this is this a party where’s the birthday girl that oh my God she’s got to be intoxicated Nemo ball I’m saying all this play my boom box and everything is plugged up and everything like it’s all Bluetooths I mean I got the fucking MP3 in my pocket you know some ready to start the music at just the push of a button right so I look at them and I look at the crotch lady has she been bad tonight they always go crazy start screaming and everything and I get to start changing your name put the birthday girl in handcuffs and then start the music and then the beach comes in and it’s just good times from their man you know so I just kind of work the crowd make that money so if there were people who were underage and obviously that was her 21st birthday where they know you can choose how to answer this not to expose anybody’s or incriminating buddy but I’m curious I mean when I was almost parties they’re not check if it’s a private party people aren’t checking IDs and you know I’m just curious where they serving alcohol while they were pissed drunk if that’s what you’re asking me Mike by underage it’s not your problem this is why I asked cuz I feel like what I have not been all the times we’ve talked about this and even after the whole first interview I didn’t realize I was just so out for if of laughter and and just being your cheering you on for what you’re doing a lot of ways but I don’t really think about there’s another dimension when you talked about the or you mentioned that it was a sorority 21st birthday party you were actually in a role that is filling the vacuum of sacred & Co genic initiation sexual rights that all of our ancestors most male strippers do not think of it at all that way but that’s one hell of a way to put a man that I really appreciate that it’s Alex yeah yeah that’s thank you notes out of the Anthropologie near this is what I like. Brown the city looks at the Enchantment of the Sea dancing calls at the rhythmic ceremonial ritual you know and I say the an archetype that I could imagine developing from this is that you’re actually a religious sort of spiritual figure that’s going to revivify a more sex drugs and rock and roll type of spiritual path to Enlightenment more toxic past involves wine and the old ceremonies the old rituals they were you know doing this ritual passing around of of wine and they were getting lit up man and they were holding a Sacred Space though or at least that was the let’s say the stated intention in most of the scriptures however you know their battery always unfolds when excess when things are so everything in moderation including moderation maybe that’s the time she you know she was in but if if you kind of against it a question for you is you have you have you thought about making some sort of theatrical sort of connection with okay now you are given the right by Society to engage with alcohol like why not have it be really high quality you really are sacred brewed something that is is not just a well I’m not going to name any names but not just some cheap beer that’s going to give you a Crazy Hangover you know I mean teach somebody how to have a sexual relationship with alcohol that’s that sacred and and sustainable and there’s a hole wisdom tradition around you know what you got to do to prepare yourself you could be a severe alcoholic stop the 21st birthday girls not goddamn Ayahuasca we’re not talking about I’m giving them I’m giving them a fucking shamanic experience in the form of body shots and whipped cream shots and funnel stuff like that man you know it’s all the girls can see her dancing with with me for down Swift song and everything and I’ll pick her up and flip it upside down hopefully she’s not too drunk I’ve never had any girls throw up on me when I flipped the most that’s a good sign okay so take us through it and now it’s not even something now you’ve convinced me it’s not something that can happen or or should happen it’s something that is happening so bring us into these moments start to finish I want to I want to know I want to just go on at a journey with this especially this this whole cop bust steam with 21st party important like after after I get the initial text booking the confirmation for my booking agent from whichever company or website that the girls book me through which there are several in several several booking agent you know text me the information you know the the address to time that I’m supposed to be there at the the cost you more specific outfit that the girls are requested and the phone number of the girl who both me and any other pertinent information anyway so it all begins when I first text the girl who book me that’s that’s when the interaction and that’s when the first impression begins aside from the pictures of a sea of me online like the real interaction begins when I first text that girl that is when the Mets win the first impression starts and that first impression is so crucial like a lot of nuba guys messed this up in that cause them to be turned away at the door because the girls the ladies will not feel very good about a rookie who doesn’t say the right things initially at the very first text conversation so by the time that he shows up he’s already soured that group you know so so that’s when that’s when the real first impression begins has been actually first texting the girl who gives me the books made it is and and so I mean I pretty much got that entire thing down to a science you know it’s just you know the saying the right thing saying what you got to say you know including certain rules that we have to go over a certain things like that where you know okay so I told him ahead of time can you meet me outside of your house or your hotel room or whatever with the amount of money that I’m supposed to collect in front which is about 100 to $150 that I would collect up front before chips okay so whenever I first meet the girl who puts me I might meet them out in front of the house or in the hallway at their hotel room you know out outside the room I collect that money up front and then I give the girl my boom box and my PartyLite and I instruct them and you plug in my Boombox in my party like somewhere in the room and then if I’m not a cop like let’s say if I’m doing my cowboy outfit or my doctor outfit or military or something like that something that’s not going to involve me banging on the door and saying so in about a noise complaint usually the intro that I would do that and would be my blindfold intro I really really like the blindfold intro so I’ll collect that money and I’ll give the ladies my Boombox to my PartyLite I’ll tell them to plug it in for me and I’ll give one of them a blindfold no say okay now I want you to want you guys to go to the guest of honor you know whether it’s a birthday girl Bachelorette whoever and tell her okay we’re going to play dirty party game with you and you get the you get her to stand up and you put the blindfold on her and you lead her her over to a chair or couch or wherever wherever would be the best location like you know usually in the living room or something of that nature chair in the center of the room or something and you blindfold her and at this point they may or may not catch on that there’s about to be a male stripper walk into the room some of them are honestly completely clear blister like what’s going on you guys what’s going on just just just go with this baby just go with this we’re going to play dirty party and if you were going to play dirty party games when they put the blindfold on her while she’s blindfolded all come in you know I’m so my Boombox my PartyLite will be plugged in all ready sent to start the music and I start Alfred like this blindfold tees and and if that point it becomes pretty obvious and I mean I might come up close and she can you know smelling body spray and I was like I remember like 2 weeks ago I walked into the room and before I even came up close to the girl this girl is blindfolded and she said I smell testosterone and the girls to the music starts and cheese blindfolded she usually catches on pretty quick some of them don’t some of them don’t hand and put it on my abs and pick up or she’s like is this is this a man oh my God that’s a six-pack oh my God there’s r o and then then I told he’s still blindfolded it just becomes a purely kinesthetic to where you going to eliminate that whole essence of eyesight and then at some point of a blindfold off if one of her friends don’t first like you are a if you’re cop I want to hear the police report man I want to hear the police report about the cop outfit is that you have to be realistic likes you you can’t really pull out the cop Persona if your cop outfit is not convincing right so you it it it it can also become a big gray area like from a legal standpoint because you also don’t want to get cited has happened but that isn’t how would you convince me like officer really you don’t want to know what’s actually going on but if I if you want me to explain it I will explain enough to plug in my Boombox in party light so that I can see any professional wood would know how to how to do and you know a lot of the representatives from different agency people trained us this way is that you have to be inconspicuous okay now if I’m driving down the road I’m not going to be wearing my cop outfit I keep it in my car but I’m wearing a separate shirt or like at the very least like if I’m in a hurry I might wear my cop outfit with a jacket over it so in the event that Lord forbid ever get pulled over for whatever reason it’s not obvious mean I’m wearing a jacket if I’m walking through a hotel room where a different shirt wear a jacket over it so that it’s not obvious so you don’t look like a cop you look like Joe Schmo walking through the hotel lobby you can’t make it obvious so that’s pretty much the answer to that question but to get into the whole copper teeth everything with okay so so what’s the story that night the police report and your spawn the best thing to get with is going to be a noise complaint because the girls have already been drinking most of the time they’re already getting rowdy and you know really vocal and they usually got music blasting so if they’re in a hotel room there already pretty loud like I can already hear them as I’m walking down the hallway to the room I can already hear them so it’s like oh well I know which room I’m going to I don’t even have to look at the text information you know whatever I can already hear them so it’s like the noise complaint would be the best thing to go with just because they’re already loud they’re already drunk so usually that’s that’s what I would go with know if there completely you know like really just Wyatt and really conservative and just really polite you know it’s kind of hard to go to noise complaint if they’re being quiet so at this but just Destiny this just this night you know what exactly two step by step just the facts just like any other party except the fact that it was 50 girls when most of my parties and you know that event just the facts start the phone and there’s you know so that there’s like another three or four girls who meet me outside the apartment you know so I park in front of the apartment they go downstairs to meet me and everything and you know put on my cop outfit and I can hear one of them say to her friends I’ve got a really good feeling about this and that’s good that’s good as a professional it’s up to you to create that good feeling a little side note they’re so she’s like I got a really good feeling about this on my top outfits granted my cop badges says Nashville Metro Police but that aside if we were in Knoxville not Nashville but whatever so I’ve got my handcuffs to my security badge your office has just a security guard. Police are the bugs that would be in first nation by the way and I’ve got my flashlight you know so they put a plug in my Boombox and my party lights and so I’m standing outside this apartment dorm standing like right outside the door and as soon as they walk in with the Boombox you know I can hear some of them say where did you get the pin box where you get the boombox and once once I’m standing outside the door like there’s this moment where you can always tell that exact moment when somebody plugs in my party light and turns it on because as soon as it turns on you can already hear the girl starts squealing and getting old giggly and everything like as soon as that light turns on his you know it’s all pretty and everything is like bam and like it takes them off guard it’s like you know so you can still hear that you you sure that first Rush of excitement you know and you know she plugs in my Boombox thing I told him I’m going to wait for you know like 2 minutes or so I guess you plug in my shake cuz I don’t want it to be immediately after you. Don’t don’t make it at least let the lights go for like a minute give the birthday girl an extra shot or whatever and then warmed up at this point that particular party they pretty much already had an idea as to what’s going on you know I can hear the girl who booked me saying really really loud to all 50 or 60 of these drunk sorority girls can hear it no pictures he said no picture please that’s my one and only role as a male stripper no pictures during the performance afterwards after I put my clothes on we can take all the pictures you want all fine and dandy just not when I’m down to its eastern covered in whipped cream right just because if if I didn’t have that roll of I didn’t have no pictures rule I would be like a Facebook meme like a million times over because there be thousands and thousands and thousands of pictures of me floating all over the Internet because of all these drunk girls who would think that it’s funny they’re not really thinking in the moment so they take a picture and think that is funny in the moment posted up on Facebook next thing you know half the girls that I dance for professional jobs they might be teachers nurses pay my parking office job they might I don’t know you know they might have boyfriends or jealous husbands or whatever at waiting for them at home last thing anybody needs is pictures like that surfacing especially on the internet I mean it’s the age of Facebook and you know facial recognition and things like that that these me no internet things can pretty much pull up any picture of you that exists on the internet so mean like let’s say not to mention blow your cover for future engagements where they like hey he’s not a real copy the stripper look okay like I’ve on strip for an entire School faculty ones I want strip for a school principal during her during her birthday party okay know what would happen if I had a no pictures roll and somebody takes a picture of me stripping for the school principal and the next day that picture services on Facebook now like the the the embarrassment and it would probably ruin her job I mean that that would ruin her career and everything is as a school principal or as a teacher like those are real stories like not a people take the pictures but I mean those those are people that have dance for I mean whether they’re nurses whether you know whatever the case may be so that’s that’s why you keep that one and only role of no pictures it’s best for everybody in the room if there’s no pictures until afterwards after I put my clothes back on and that’s best for me I mean like I don’t need to become a Facebook name a man that I could be on Facebook and it’s like that moment when and then there’s a picture of me my butt whipped cream you know giving a girl the lab dance company and dollar bills I just don’t need that you know so nobody does but going back to that store tea party I mean like the thing the thing about large groups of girls is that it’s really really hard to govern them because unless you’ve got a microphone which I’ve been looking into it may be getting some kind of late wireless sound system that can run my music that has like a microphone plugged into it specifically for that reason especially if they’re Mexican oh my God there’s latina chicks are crazy loud you know it’s like 50 girls in a room everybody screaming you know everybody shouting there’s no way that there’s no way that anybody could hear anything that I say except for the people who were like immediately within my vicinity I mean like anybody is on the other side of the room if I say no pictures please they won’t be able to hear it why because it’s worth I got to see it sounds like what you need is a wireless transmitter that Eclipse you know into your back Pop I guess if you’re going to strip you can figure that out have some way to strap a speaker setup microphone input on the microphone and I can say something and I’ll make some kind of like hot seat announcement or full go back to to letting you do the full report on on that one party I mean like I mean I could go on and on and on I mean like there’s look I mean like every every party is different and it’s owned by that particular party what was unique about it aside from it being in Knoxville is just the fact that it was a sorority party and its do you know 50 60 girls like entertainers perspective it’s not even the fact that it’s a sorority is the fact that is 50 or 60 girls which candy good for tips or cannot in this case it wouldn’t be good for us because there’s so many girls if there’s no way that the girl from the back of the room would be able to make it all the way to the front because just the room was so packed I mean it’s not even a big room that we were in it was like a small College apartment and everybody was crampton’s like the living room sexy and so it’s like you know there is like hardly any space for me to even move but they’re screaming and just completely into it anyway and so it’s actually a lot harder I think in any situation like that usually to make more money like it’s actually like the best money making situations I think our part may be like in like 10 girls that are all on board with what’s happening and most of them usually are but then there’s usually a couple of shy girls in the group but you know as an Entertainer it’s up to you to be able to kind of warm them up and get them in the mood so that they’re not so shy but I bet that’s a whole different thing I mean when you got 50 fucking girls it doesn’t matter if you’re shy or not if you’re somewhere in the crowd is going to be screaming her head off that’s all there is to it if you know you’ve shared as much as if you want about that you know we should I would like to talk some more about these business details and business mechanics and things so I was thinking you know you remember the the eye gazing kind of touch adapted Tantra Puja experience that we had you know where you’re rotating so I’m wondering if if have you ever tried bringing in I should say try have you ever have you ever brought in the element of a rotational spiral or circleware let’s say if it was a smaller group or there is enough room to do this comfortably that you would have an invitation opportunity to interact with even even if it’s not in per se but of course you’re up you’re locking eyes with them because you’re trying to be seductive so that’s a part of being seductive is deep eye contacts YouTube you probably going from one of them but I’m just wondering if like you’re saying there’s something might hang back or you know if you had a systematic way to rotate through all of them so no one excluded or you know that if you ever done that or thought about that or is that is that just sort of happened that shimmers wondering if if you could you know wrap them into that projects. Sun actually start blowing your mind spiritually that way but in the same way that I bring about the shamanic experience not in the form of Ayahuasca but in the form of body shops and whipped cream shops in all that of course I do bring them into the Pooja experience of deep gazing and eye contact and everything but I don’t do it systematically in the form if I can I contact rotation where you just take turns DIY gazing with me know I just keep eye contact with them anyway when I first woke up to you and I say hi to you I’m locking eyes with you when I’m talking to you it’s just a natural kind of eye contact and yes that does carry over into doing lap dances are working the room I mean I might be dancing for somebody but then I glanced over my shoulder and I kind of lock eyes with one other person while I’m doing my thing Bowlin move did the room but that split-second of eye contact can be very very powerful I don’t do it systematically like with you asked and wouldn’t really plan on it like that that starts crossing over into the Border being like a little bit to new age for most of these girls chase because at the end of the day like they’re going to want that cuz it anyway just need the debauchery and we’re at it right now right now I mean like I’m incorporating elements like that is what I’m saying but I don’t call it Pooja I don’t call it I Geisinger I just call it being a good conversationalist this Woody talk to somebody block fucking eyes with them you know so you can be seductive about it or you could just have natural eye contact you know you don’t have to call a chance or you don’t have to call it anything else but the effects of it are still real remind me to take you on to her I’m taking you onto her right now in a server book in your tour Malibu as Santa Monica I would like to kind of document what you’re doing with video you know an inn in Ennis if erotic interactions occur it doesn’t have to be a minute to say it doesn’t have to be close-ups of genitals fucking right let you know the crossroads of what you’re talking about something that it would be really really really down for like you know cuz it’s one thing to do a video where your fucking on camera something aside from just you know regular home movie I mean ammo for home movies in the mall for fucking on camera but as far as something commercial goes I think I think you just kind of hit the nail on the head a second ago there when you said that you and idea of documenting what I do so I’m not on a fucking podcast trying to tell you guys about what happened at the sorority party if there was a camera guy there who is filming what I did and then turn them into like the form of the music video or something something like really really like a g and kind of artistic and cool I think they actually talked about this in the last in the previous podcast episode the one issue with that however is that I do have no cameras rule while I perform as just about any professional male stripper would have and so there would have to be like some kind of release form that the lady sign or some kind of some kind of agreement that would have been between myself and the ladies I’m not just going to walk into a regular bachelorette party with the camera guy behind me in the ladies are like spell yeah I think it’d be better to Stage it yeah right like snot mean like you. If you see anything like okay if I were to do anything along those lines would be you know like maybe text the ladies have to be something that I that I personally don’t like I wouldn’t do this with any of the companies that I’m with like and if I’d personally book something to put up an ad on Craigslist like all strip for you for like a discounted price if you would allow the cameras and assign some kind of like an agreement form that says that you know we’re going to turn this into a music video and you allow cameras being in the room while I’m working the crowd and then we’re documenting it that would be one thing and that I would probably be down for that. So probably that might turn out really really well I mean it would definitely be an inexperienced and you know me next thing you know we’ll be on another podcast episode talking about that yeah man well I think you know that there’s a lot has happened on my end that I haven’t really brought you up to speed with and it’s it’s the things are just rolling so fast it’s hard to even break it down and I don’t want to take up too much time you know bring up to speed but but really the Beyond just the stories of debauchery there is I think I hired a higher calling that that we have to sort of in fantasizing about a man like the fucking biker bar thing in the 21st birthday not fucking that’s not the boss Rayman that ain’t Duvall trade that ain’t that ain’t nothing that’s all G-rated that’s 50/50 girls in a fucking room or whatever me know they’re all screaming and that’s fun that’s cool it’s boiled it’s a crazy you know emotional rollercoaster ride for the ladies which is a total total rush for me that’s not the Vault Reno we haven’t even talked about debauchery yet run it is fun well let me out so yeah it sounds like we can we’re in a good place with just having set those intentions and then probably the right the right circumstances will unfold the right timing and all that but I feel like the you know if whoever issue the people who are listening to this sitter titillated by what you’re describing would probably be also very excited to see some footage and there’s just a lot we could do with your skill-set I’ve I really feel like you have a lot to teach men about being able to be comfortable in their own skin about being running the Shakti energy being able to dance being able to be seductive and move and that’s I mean every every boyfriend should be a yeah I can say they should be a fan of you why not but really they should be a fan of the the the skills they should be they should be aspiring to as much as the if you know if they want to be gangsters you know I have my thoughts and feelings about that they want to be race car drivers you have my thoughts and feelings about that they want to be lovers that are memorable then there would be nice if there were more authentic role models for that who are in who aren’t as porn you weren’t just pouring pot Meat Puppets in porn you know but who are really conscious erotic Artisans performers and you’re one of the few people that seems to be outspoken about this and also connected with the temperature at world so there’s a lot of fun a lot of interesting opportunities and overlap so we’ll just we’ll just see what happens with that and if you want to get back to be I know you had a burning desire to just vent some of these stories the nature I think of the Divine masculine like essence of being able to not not specifically to do what I do all though being a male stripper would definitely be incorporated into the elements of being Adam DeVine masculinity right VV the essence of that and the Shakti energy that you were talking about I mean I can spend an entire podcast episode just talking about that alone the work that I’ve done within myself and becoming more energetically we’re becoming more socially aware becoming more intuitive with the women that I dance for even emotionally aware if you will because let’s face it a lot of the women that that book me they’ve never booked a male stripper before they’ve never even seen a male stripper aside from what they’ve seen from Magic Mike so I’m the first real interaction that they’ve had with like their first true mail server experience is not on a TV screen in real life and so like you said I’m not just a meat puppet I’m not a male pornstar that you just you know jerk off to on a computer screen know I’m a real flesh-and-blood human being that would show up at your party and actually give you an authentic interaction and where you go with that is something like you said that I think a lot of the men could learn from and God now it now I’m kind of wasn’t going to steal whole episode talking about that it’s like overcoming social anxiety overcoming nervousness I mean cultivating that that that sex presents and that energy and also it it carries over I guess like once you once you cultivate a certain level of Sexual Energy it cultivates and accumulates to become confident we’re confidence my not existed before and I can speak from experience on that I think you should write a book because this is what corporate I mean there’s the guy who’s like the corporate Shaman who teaches shamanic principles to corporate Executives there’s there’s an exact level yoga there’s exact level martial artists and all of these spiritual New Age guys who are doing the Neo men’s empowerment personal development kind of glue thing I think you are so cute hey B stripper in the board you bring that energy into your how you’re going to deliver your presentation on the new innovation for your department of your business or whatever that you work in somewhat of a paradigm shift within the industry and once again I can’t be over here talking shit because I’m doing business with a lot of these companies but like the way I’m not I can’t talk bad about the company’s but the way that some not just male strippers but female strippers as well like the entire industry tends to not necessarily be coming from a place of Consciousness and Awakening and evolution let’s be honest it’s coming from a place Morrow capitalism and that is also the capitalism of Flesh you know where where we can take that and turn it into a form of entertainment at a time I mean like you know heater here in there I would say like some of my raunchier shows it almost feels like being a male gigolo with Showmanship added on top of it so it’s so I mean like okay I could put my own spiritual mumbo-jumbo spin on it whatever cool I mean that’s that’s cool but if we talk about the industry as a whole most guys don’t walk into a situation like that with their Spiritual armor on so to speak with with that light about them that they’re bringing into a situation to give these women a very empowering and Awakening in freeing experience like I do okay some and it’s not to say that other male strippers are not great guys they are I know a lot of these guys personally some of them are fucking Pedrad seen some of them were shady as hell and I can also speak from experience on that you know but guess what guys like that don’t listen to the in this industry it’s the guys who work ethic Lee and work well with others and are able to network and communicate and work in a professional manner who really make it in this business using Scarface right you seem to make it in this business or the ones who flies straight my God does that stand for the male stripping industry I’m going to have to wrap it up here in a couple minutes but I wanted to ask one last thing and we can we can I think we’re going to end up falling up more with the good direction the debauchery is being transmuted that energy is coming through and and it’s a yeah it’s it’s it’s just it’s a heartwarming feeling what you’re putting out there and I just wanted to ask if you know if we’ll get you there was there was there were clubs you know that well I guess have you ever done have you ever done gay nightclub stripping gigs of your bad cold today in the day back we will talk about that a little bit in the previous podcast episode you know during my early days OK Club Arrow was where I first started in Nashville Tennessee that doesn’t exist anymore so I work there for about a year before the club closed Club Arrow cater to men and women so mean that was a mix crowd and then after Club Arrow closed and then I co-founded a male male pole dance group we started traveling in most of the places that booked us for gay clubs although the people who came out to the shows we’re still a mix crowd him in there be tons of straight women who would go to the milk to the male stripper show at these gay clubs and you know they would come out there with her gay friends and everything that they would still be groups of ladies in the crowd so I mean like yeah mean I’ve danced for gay audiences even though I’m straight I mean like Love Money Talks. In and at the end of the day I’m an entertainer of you know it’s not like I’m hooking up with any of these guys or anything so I mean like I mean I’ve gone that direction is not really my cup of tea I mean like primarily especially these days mean if a guy was in the crowd and if he’s tipping cool but I mean like I really hate her what I do to women and that’s I mean that’s what I like anyway you want to use the last time you don’t even have it you don’t want to you don’t have a website but is there a z I just want people to search you for the region that you work in and just look up look up Zane Music City male stripper Music City male stripper. Com Omen strippers Strikers sorry excuse me entertainment hero Entertainment Group call to USA striptease USA exotic moments to you why not bad boys.com I’m actually is I don’t have been even heard from this I don’t know what’s going on with them I don’t know there’s a lot of people some of my favorites would probably be sensible stripper.com Music City male stripper. Com Omen strippers and breadth takers entertainment those would probably be my favorites and then hero Entertainment Group of my favorites but the truth is I’m connected with over 30 different companies that those are probably be some of my talk text and I mean a couple Pages my bio page isn’t even on half those websites I just mentioned I mean like cuz that’s you know like it’s not like my bio page is on every single one of these website but I’m still connected with them my bio page is on sensual stripper.com Music City male strippers oh yeah HP stripper.com that’s files on their my bio is on hot bodz usa.com I’ll let you go then and thank you again so much for sharing your insights and I’m sure next time we do this will probably have some interesting developments to share and I’m definitely like I think we should do another one but like if we do cuz I mean like this one was cool but we were talking about going to store tea parties and biker bars and whatnot I mean that’s cool I think the next one like instead of talking about the total debauchery me to get into any of the good story here like it was talking about like what you were talking about like owning a room using that that Divine masculine Shakti energy like that can really go into being a male stripper but it can be applied to somebody who works at a post office I mean like the presence of somebody who’s able to cultivate that is priceless I mean it it’s invaluable in and it makes you it makes the ladies remember remember you mean like so much more me just just by having presents and I have in that I contacted by having that energy about you as opposed to somebody who doesn’t have that okay no male stripper has to have that pretty much by necessity I mean like you know cuz it’s it’s our job to have that but okay now how do we apply that in a real and practical sense in the sense of you know you could be a cashier somewhere and still have the same kind of prizes that would be a really good topic to talk about in a future episode but I think this one stands out until like some of the realities of being a male stripper license things that people you know that that that you haven’t seen on Magic Mike single weakening several times a week you know thanks again for the Glimpse and we will be back we’ll be back for more soon man thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to see me and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess temples every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. 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