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Celebrating Gay and Bisexual Tantra with Jason TPP90


Jason Tantra PicIn this episode I’m joined by the charming and illustrious Jason Tantra, the founder of Tantra 4 Gay Men. He’s stepped up into a leadership role in holding sacred spaces world-wide and online for gay and bisexual men to share in the glory of Tantra.

We discuss his personal journey, offerings, and visions for an ever more deeply and unconditionally loving future for humanity.

Please visit his website at:

About Jason:
Jason is the founder of Tantra4GayMen, and a pioneer of Tantra for gay and bisexual men in the UK. Trained as a counselor and as a spiritual medium, and after years of professionally working with male survivors of rape and abuse, Jason met Tantra in 2006. He immediately knew that his life purpose had become clear. Since 2008, with his husband Ingo, Jason has pursued his life as an exploration of sexual and spiritual liberation. He has done this by creating events and trainings that express this: Events where men who love men can let go, explore love, and find ways to freedom where sexuality meets spirituality.

Over 10.000 men having been through Tantra4GayMen’s work. Its two yearly Festivals are beautiful wonderlands where sex meets spirit, bringing together facilitators from the cutting edge of Tantra in a context where men can love men without holding back. Its Tantra Diploma offers a one-of-a-kind transformative experience for those who want to live Tantra as a path of personal development leading to total freedom. Currently, Tantra4GayMen is expanding these events into the USA, and Jason and Ingo are working towards their vision of a community of open, free, conscious and aware men that are happy and in love with the very world they live in and themselves.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin their beloveds welcome to touch your Punk podcast episode number 90 I am on Skype with Jason Tantra and he is a leader in the world is Tantra for gay men and if you have done any research or had any interest in this area of timeshare you probably discover that there’s not a lot out there unfortunately so let’s really give Jason some supplies and support to continue to grow and extend this technology into all of the beautiful dimensions of love that exists so Jason would you want to tell us about your background how you discovered timeshare and how its transform your life and then we’ll get into what you offer and what the future looks like inviting me to come and do this podcast with you and I’m really happy to share anything I can to help spread the love spreads Tantra erotica what’s going on around me in and it’s really easy I think to slip into being faithful old to slip into being angry or to feel helpless you know you don’t need to look at the news headlines from a vote in the u.s. in the UK it’s a pretty scary place out there in done for me one of the things I love about Time trailer is that at its core is about love at its absolute core is about unconditional beautiful love and I just kind of rest into that place you know when when I look and see the world son struggling tonight I want to do so I’m really pleased to have to try and Spencer to try here with you think you know about you but I kind of always felt when I was growing up that my life had a certain purpose in extreme my childhood’s I always had this feeling that some of the experiences that I went through were for a greater good with for said that they would have some meaning of some elephants later in my life at the age of 18 I started attending we call the spiritualist church in the UK I basically spent 10 years learning how to be a spiritual healing that was before Reiki became fashionable and I also learned a lot about energy and I learned a lot about spirits and I learned a lot about mediumship and being able to channel energy and I would sit in closed groups and had many many experiences over that decade and then I went home to qualify as a spiritual healer and have a qualification for that and then I’m is interesting that they are qualified all of my clients dried up and again it was coming back to this idea that this training was in somehow preparation to something I was going to do later in my life and then I like my clients just dried dried up and I was like okay and I said if you’ve ever had that feeling bad when you just need to trust something inside you to get to trust it. Going to be okay and that the right thing happening Alchemy and I went to start work as a Fallen Tree telephone counselor for a charity in Bristol code many survivors outline and I would be taking telephone calls each week for male survivors of rape and abuse and often a phone call to me would be you know the first time that they had ever spoken about this you know we’re going back about 15-20 20 years people got support from telephone lines rather than from the internet as they do today so that time I feel and I might work then think that grew and I started to work in the prison in Bristol working with inmates and male survivors of rape and abuse and it’s a real cycle of something that happens where people have had a traumatic childhood of her being abused mental cruelty physical cruelty sexual cruelty and they’re going to end up in the cycle of drugs and then they commit crimes to feed the drugs to forget you know kind of what happened to xiamen so in other words I was doing was about helping them stop poking about the abuse for the very first time and I’m joining that time I put myself through University and trying to the counselor and qualifies as a kind of slow and then would you believe that at some point just came to a natural pools but during my counseling journey I had a 10-year relationship with my previous partner had to say he had real issues with alcohol I mean basically living with an alcoholic for 10 years and I just thankfully I kiss the ground that I had the strength to get out of the situation I often didn’t think I’d be able to get answers that situation and had a unique. In my time if you match and living with somebody with an alcohol issue for 10 years it’s like the minute that I finished it’s like this huge crowd is just lifted off you and I kind of felt like a new spring lime Galloping around the field and I decided I had a 3-month time in day before I moved into my new place and I decided to do all the things that would me in the Lost previous years and one of those was to go on a tantra weekend Workshop and the first time I met Chandra it was like hand on the gloves it was like even though what we were doing was difference the language and the psychotherapeutic processing of of what’s going on was already coming to me cuz I feel like that before the previous two decades and I went through and trained for three years until the truck I’m in Germany and I remember waking up one day and I was like okay I’m going to be a timer for teacher I don’t know how else to say that you know I just woke up and I just had this much deeper sense of knowing that that was my purpose that that was what I was put on Earth to do and what I do and I and I dedicate my life to is about how Payne gay and bisexual man to love to come back to love and to come back to themselves and to come back to truth and what I mean by truth is kind of you know what’s beyond the world that we see around us is beyond you know that the things that are going on in our life was the purpose of our lives and cymede you know my dedication is to help gay and bisexual man I’m spiritually energetically sexually a vowels and the biggest thing that I always talk about is freedom I feel that Tundra is fucking hard work sometimes when I’m exercising flooring against the floor just made my own blockages my own my own issues all the stuff that was getting in the way and I don’t mean I didn’t know that I was going to make it sometimes to the train now it’s a run out what it’s a runaway I wanted everyone to fuck off I went I went straight to hell and back and Ania in Tantra I found some of the most ecstatic experiences ever I kind of feel like I visited places that I know existed a kind of not on this Earthly plane and I feel that I have just a much wider sense of of who I am and that isn’t necessarily the Jason is being presented to you but kind of the spirit of who I am I being mean of the being of who I am wow that was such a beautiful Journey I’m just I’m glowing in the end there’s a lot in there that really resonates for me it seems like we’ve probably experienced a number of similar circumstances and I’ve been trained as a tantra counselor and certified and I am myself a Survivor and a wounded healer and it’s very much in a different place to come from when you’re really in the trenches of of doing support work and then you discover Tantra can you tell us a bit about the training that you did for three years that sounds like a deep immersion and I’m curious if you have highlights from that I feel that my Tantra teacher told me most importantly have not to do it and that might come as quite shocking because I actually when you want to train and turn you kind of want your Tantra teacher to you kind of look up to them and you place your trust in them and you place your respect and you kind of hold them in the interstates of reference and Ice I as I said earlier the biggest thing I learned from my country teacher and I kind of like to keep the name Anonymous if that’s okay but they basically told me how not to do it and and they told me what notes to do and they also told me the HD when you’d come from a place that does not have a clear intention then you’ll potentially harmful to people for me my biggest thing the temperature is about love and old is the people that come to my work I love them unconditionally and I have compassion for what that’s struggling with and however that plays out however that’s display I have to fashion because I have my own ship to do with you know I have my own moments where I’m less than perfect. Here we go again I’ve done that played the old again you know you kind of hate yourself for a moment I kind of know what is old as those places and I feel that the only way we are Humanity all going to get through this without blowing ourselves up burning the planet we live on and making everybody else different than us the only way they always love you no love doesn’t care you know what color you are what race you are what country you come from doesn’t care what you go in the bank balance it doesn’t care what experiences you have love for me is a states of being an end loving all of us is absolutely equal you know we are absolutely equal when we will come from the price of love beautiful that’s amazing yeah I feel that I feel like I’m kind of on the wanting to give people a lot of prerequisites a lot of disclaimers a lot of warnings and there’s definitely a pattern of misuse of the tantric sexual powers and you know just sit a tendency to form Cults of personality and you can say that a lot of a lot of India is this a lot of tension amongst all these different strains of Tantra that got lumped together into a kind of Orthodox Hinduism that was easily digestible by the Christians and so you know the British so it sits there the more feminist and feminine schools of timeshare are the ones that I think held onto that Integrity the best my lineage just to come back to get to the point you made of the beginning my lineage I guess is from imagine if you’ve heard of more going on. I’ve heard the name but not answering the influences of the temperature that I teach and it’s very good for me to be able to take the practices and the teachings and leave behind all the controversial stories and Cults and goodness knows what else beside one of the things that’s important for me as a time for teacher is my my counseling training I’m one of the things I believed as temperature teaches I don’t put myself up that as a guru I have my own blind spots my own shadow sides and so like counselors go to sleep position I also go to supervision to make sure that my work is healthy and that I’m coming from the right place and I don’t have any blind spots and you know for me temperature is a cold playgrounds of all of the issues that are coming on for Humanity so I’m the person whatever issues you have going on in your life are going to be very very condensed and feel much more active and alive I’m in a tantric space because you’re going to be confirmed signals for me I am argue I’m a knife and I passionately argue against some of the views and opinions that I’m Tundra is only possible between a man and a woman and the reason why I disagree with that and it’s my own personal opinion you know I don’t need you to make it right or wrong will make anybody else write my own personal opinion and I’ve discovered is that everybody has both masculine and feminine energy in them and mask gin and feminine for me is difference between man and woman and masculine energy doesn’t always equate to a man and notice feminine energy always equates to a woman and I get very very cross and very upset when anybody that isn’t a hetrosexual male or a hetrosexual female is excluded in any way for me Tantra is as normal as fresh air and it says available to everybody as fresh air and I also feel that the more that we try to categorize all cells and the more we try to put ourselves in certain identity is the movie actually take away take yourself away from an openness and the willingness to explore all the possibilities of who we might be in this life beautiful I totally agree and there’s some nuts and bolts things with not being a man and a woman that I think are easily mythbusted when you understand exactly what you’re talking about and I believe also like something I would say to people who said will you everybody has the shizuma that eat and a pink gelato so pretty much you’re you’re energetically spiritual intersex anyway yes you’re working with men We Believe The Arc Hawk hotel masculine energy and we also believe that also anus hose or feminine energy and I would say that your masculine and feminine energy are not dependent on the types of genitals that you have you know everybody for me has both masculine and feminine energy and everybody has those in different quantities I think I’m people believe that gay men are going to have more feminine energy and for me and my experience that’s absolutely not true I don’t believe that in from what I’ve seen men’s gay men have any more or less masculine or feminine energy than any but any other hetrosexual man that I’ve seen and I feel that you know for me I try not to get into any generalizations and always work with each individual based on who they are and what they represented in each moment because of what was the what was the uzi and his film he said the one thing we can all be sure of is that we are all completely different and so for me. You know I welcome everybody into my world and unacknowledged that we are all going to be completely different and I have our own ways and end things that work and don’t work for us the more you develop a tantric practice you basically have dials almost in your energetic control panel or equalizer graphic play so kind of thing so that you can actually decide and in each moment you can you become masterful at dancing with those energies internally and then you can also dance with a partner or in a group so it’s very optional really the fluidity becomes very she was saying that I kind of had several different opinions that I’m okay about of years between every two persons is always going to be is always a conversation to be had whether that’s a non verbal conversation or a verbal conversation whether something’s expressed physically that person’s going to be hearing something back to you that going to be reflecting something back to you and that’s going to either be some stuff that you really love or some stuff that you don’t want to be around unsafe for me there’s always going to be a conversation going on you know some people to make you feel yucky some people are going to make you feel sexy some people to go to make you just feel loving and being present you know what kinds of things. She just probably more than one conversation to have with each person because that’s different territories in different places that you can go for me what enables me and the people that I teach to do is to have a much wider expression of themselves in the world so you know if you think that we grow up you know we go to school we may go to university or college we make at a job and you know everything I’m at a very general level is kind of quiet conditions and for me people typically come to town trap because they’re looking for something they looking for something more all this something that they want to heal you know either there’s something wrong that’s causing them pain or they are bored depressed Fed Up and kind of giving you know life is a big gray there must be more to this and you know people reason explorers Aguilas am I feeling in in Tantra yes have you ever had the experience of straightish but say or bi-curious men having negative experiences experimenting in more let’s say club or bar type game environments and then discovering your offerings and feeling like it’s a breath of fresh air 2 Deanna more conscious container or is there I kind of feel like there’s a hope that for men to start expanding their Horizons from the pressures of Christian patriarchal heterosexuality that they would have that you were the future of your teachings would be that there would be more meetup groups and more temples and places where male male initiation or even a male you know if a self-described straight male goes into a gay Tantra Temple and gets to have his chakras blown you know if that is a freak sample am I created in the UK and I’ve no created in the USA a tongue traffic a Man festival and we create five days of magic what I mean by that is beyond the program on the workshops going to be on this just you know who those things and it being in a great location there’s something magical that happens about halfway through the festival and it’s like everybody just drops into a very very loving you can feel it it’s just all around you a very loving accepting beautiful out of the hard to describe at World’s End people across hate when they when they leave because they think it’s like they’ve been to Narnia you know they vented magical land for these five. And what enables that for me is is the intention of love and the intention of accepting everybody as they are as perfect beings regardless of a shape color and any other anything else and you know for me in my work I create these magical spaces because if I took specifically for gay man I think one of the issues that we struggle with another world with the digital age and the old very very image focused in a we open up our laptops less pictures this magazines as hunky muscly pictures and quite often we can just feel less than you know if I talk about the Grindr app that you know that Ben has pictures of man and ask a man gay bisexual man was very very homes to say yes or no with in a nanosecond of each person or we can start on the grid of man who we would have wouldn’t shine within 2 seconds and so we beat very judgmental and we thought I think makes us lonely because we did and I will we go I want to connect with somebody that’s got the right shape to my sleet or so older right shaped biceps real connection that’s like you know watching porn films and looking to get aroused and that’s a great thing to do but in terms of looking for connection with the world in connection with a man.. Isn’t going to get you want you want and Anna for me one of the Magics of timetra is the ability to open yourself to connections with other people that you wouldn’t normally mates and I don’t necessarily mean sexual connections but they might be but that’s what I’m talkin about his love and connection like it’s normal in in human nature that we’re not going to find see everybody on the planet you know there’s some people that are going to think for other people I think I’ve not in a million years and then we got maybe if we can just drop the game come back to this sense of being banned from the sense of being let the conversation on phone knowing that there’s mutual love between you and you can then explore you know what connection means an animal talk to training I had some of the most profound experiences with man that I would never even look twice at in the end of Idaho open house until no way and yet there was something in the energy something in their essence of who they were the was so profound that opened up Magic beautiful well this time I’m taking a ride right now I can imagine all of this all these beautiful moments and really that’s a that’s exciting so in the end of the festival programs can you talk a bit about what the the Arc of the experiences like and what what people would expect if they were going to sign up and I’m certainly in treat I definitely want to check this out two things basically time traffic amen started I started this eight years ago with my partner and go and we started in Bristol and I started doing 6 evening weak-ass sex workshops of an evening of three hours I’m absolutely terrified and then that grew into doing a weekend workshop and then weekend workshops all over the UK and then that kind of gave birth really we decided to focus our efforts so we now have a tundra Festival how do you tie in Glastonbury and Google custom brake says ancient history there which just asked to the energy of the festival and this year is the first USA turn traffic on the East Coast at Eastern Mountain and we also offer in the UK what we call our Deep dive. I’m training which is our diploma in tundra and it’s a three-year program at is one week Pay Here in but inside I talk Less in Devon in the southwest of the UK and for me that is the bread-and-butter learning deeply about Tantra and putting yourself through a very deep I’m experienced men joining us from all over the world I would you believe we’ve got men coming on Start program flying in from Australia to go to coming in from Australia several coming in from the US and all over Europe because of the quality of the decks of this very very profound time for training so excites you listen as you know if they weren’t looking to really understand Tundra from a gay fine man perspective I would absolutely encouraged them to attend our diploma training and I’m not sure that there’s any think there are other trainings in the world but I don’t see anything ask for frying doors deep OS comprehensive as this training yeah I can only imagine was because not enough celebration in the world and we just kind of felt that you know Odyssey workshops are always about you not working on yourself looking at your crappy parts and I wanted to bring to Tantra the absolute beautiful idea of pure celebration and say what England I tires tirelessly do 4-year is we go and we seek teachers from all kinds of disciplines every year is a brand new program we bringing difference Hunter teachers from around the world yoga teachers I’m spiritual satsang teachers a BDSM teachers everything I think we bring in Danse you kind of name it in terms of a spiritual discipline and we are bringing that into a program and as I said it’s like you know a group of a hundred man in both countries connected for 5-day purely to celebrate love something that is starting to really converge in the I guess you could say to you or Western Tantra world there’s more and more crossover between the Psychedelic shamanic Renaissance a lot of people traveling to Peru for experience and Ayahuasca ceremonies and people are kind of creating their own experimental Cynthia genic exploration and healing containers with different substances and I’m curious if that is on in your call Janos Alchemy here with all these human Magics and Sciences and arts is are you finding that there’s more people approaching entheogens with their working in Tantra or in sexual healing or just act like you said from exploration to to the healing path you know is that some of my Advanced diploma students have taken it upon themselves to take trips out of Peru to work with pain medicine and for me when I talk to people that are experiencing that to me temperature is a pathway to Enlightenment you know that’s what the time trick Park is about its roots are in Hinduism and Buddhism and you know it’s taking you to the enlightened face but it was so for me plant medicine is also doing that as well I’m in a very very different way I don’t say what other spiritual practices are you know such as things like Zen meditation where it’s a very it’s a journey of under arousal and it’s a journey of Stillness and silence they looking for me for the exact same thing that we’re looking for in Tantra I know so if you talk to you know the yokuts around the world Yogi’s they’re also looking for the same thing as we are I just come back from a cherry vanilla in India where old is the world sucks I need teachers get together over 2 months and get public discourse is and the oldie I’m sorry I use that the holy man around my own sorrow looking for the same thing that we’re we’re all looking for and sofa does many very different disciplines of different ways of what I would go getting there if whatever the never should have getting their means I don’t want to see spiritual practices of a Pathways to Enlightenment and you know for me it’s it’s down to each individual about the great thing we have is humans and we forget this the one thing I have his choice and so people can choose which pathway I understand from country you know for some people because it does have a load of work with sexual energy and sexuality you know it’s they don’t feel it’s appropriate for them they don’t want to do that but for me you know Tantra is time to cut through very very quickly you know I called it the fastest Pathway to Enlightenment because you’re facing your crap for your face that your stuff is in the room with you write that but it was so I know that pain medicine. Ayahuasca you never lose them confront you with with your stuff and I also know you know that you will have those same things in in yoga different spiritual practices two different things yeah it’s at make it reminds me that for a while I’ve had this alternate conception of Enlightenment as being not only light as in light and dark but also light as in heavy and and let you know that the weight Factor so if you think of Enlightenment is shedding baggage from your you know you’re hot air balloon you dropping sandbags you can go higher than it’s kind of a different form of Enlightenment to release the weight do you know the the baggage you know so I think the strongest understanding of Enlightenment that I’ve had has been in tiruvannamalai when I pee in a hat the absolute privilege of sitting in the presence of some enlightened master and had the opportunity to meditate with them over prolongs days I spent three days with a Samsung teacher in enlightened monster and play privilege to meditate with him over three days I don’t have to say that my experience of that energy is is profound is beyond anything that I’ve you know experienced in in the in 44 years as something that infamy Tundra is it as a fantastic way of cutting through and I’m getting you that quickly right that’s that’s real beautiful I think people are it’s if you don’t have a an experience of that connectedness to the Divine Source energy which is what we’re trying to I’d say this place the lower ourselves the lower vibrational aspects of our character personalities wounds traumas ancestral curses you can call them demons whatever it is if you don’t have a source connection to light that’s going to really eradicate and displace all of that negative stuff then you know you might never in my think most most people walking the planet now who have been relieved foot Bound by the patriarchal religious systems that charge the money to fantasize about that energy of connection to the real thing so I agree steak that people sometimes make when they consider putting themselves onto a spiritual path way and sometimes they cannot have this perception that they needs to ascend all that they need to get something that’s higher than themselves I’m done for me Mike my problem with this is my own personal opinion but my problem with this is that I forget about that body and they forget about the human existence I think it’s some spiritual practices you know that work with love light and energy and believe that they need to be a send this to go to those but actually I’m a human being in the human body here on front of the earth and the planet that I’m living on I and the people around killing the planet in the environment that we live on and for me a spiritual practice must be embodied must be in the body must be hearing from the earth because you didn’t mean he much of planet Earth tips to be with so you know in future generations and for me until humans learn to love the planet and we’re not going to be fixing it and fixing some of the challenges that we have agreed and you’re talking to is music to my ears because I spent most of my life really in the trenches of being an eco-warrior and saving the trees and planting gardens and do a nonprofit work and charitable work there and it’s so interesting that this effect of Tantra I would say is it a when you have a taste of the Transcendent Divine Realms that are of pure beauty and Majesty than you actually are able to recognize that signature of the Divine creation more on Earth and you want to preserve it protect it leave it to see against I’m gay marriage and it was something along the lines of you know that actually if we fall in love with somebody of the same sex and we love them so much that that we’re going to marry them and then the next thing we might do is we that might want some merry old is the animals on the finance and we might love them so much that we want to Mary’s I went to see was so connected to them and then they’re not actually we might actually love the planet so much that we want to marry fine and we love it so much that we imagine not being with it in love and answer me. Just incapsulate you know kind of I think we’re one of the things I’m willing to bring people to Inn in Tantra is very deep profound states of love that they can integrate into their day-to-day lives so that they can be happier and they have a better quality of life and you know nobody’s suffering if you look at Buddhist teachings you know it talks a lot about human suffering and that she went with no in love we are suffering you know what either being critical or judgmental or shameful and one of those times was suffering and for me the thing I love about temperature is it tight shoes you said he’s very magical states of Puyallup your essence and as I know you said it’s about integrating that end in Za day-to-day lives here wow you just said something so profound and I think this needs to discuss easily be a mantra bumper sticker a t-shirt everything that whatever it takes but if I if I remember correctly if you’re not in love yourself you’re in suffering or your suffering that’s yes pretty profound so if you need help figuring that out this is a opportunity the ton truck pass for sure you know you can be in love with the smell of a flower or the sunset or just the experience of being in your own body you know being in love with yourself that is all these things like in country works if you’ve met somebody that sexy and there’s a connection it’s easy to fall in love with them engraved go ahead and enjoy that but I imagine you know if you said two people are falling in love with themselves that was really tough right you have so yeah I’m curious now if you you you just some bullet points of some of the ways that you would promote the the gay tantric path of initiation and in Discovery that would be not just anatomically different but anything that for those who ignore just lost in their imagination how how would it be different how would it work how does it how would it be tight what’s the how have you basically adapted some of this I’m sure it’s it’s something you’ll write many books about to give us a little bit of some teasers here I’m I’m just be thrilled to get a sense of some of the nuts and bolts in mechanics of you know is obviously eye gazing in breathwork and the the various chakra activation practices and the different ways to sort of Connect app through the Grafton true sound and movement and I’m just curious if you have sort of a some templates that you’ve work through so if people were trying to experiment with this in what would you give it some some quick tips quick tips and ideas and one of the things I create sits at the beginning of this ship and is my YouTube channel called Jason turn truck and the reason I created that was because I wanted to start the conversation of time I’m trapped and I wanted to dispel some common myths and I wanted to give people some great basic exercises that they could try on her to home and stop bringing this mystical single Tantra I’m to life Oldham so one thing I would recommend if people want to learn more about Sandra from me is to have a look at my YouTube channel Jason Tantra Samia Ali Raza Gate entrance go to gay or bisexual X go there any difference to any other hetrosexual temptress or any other form of temptress go to me the one thing that we can be sure of is that every time for school is completely different and the temperature that I want to bring to the world and the difference that I want to make to the world is about coming back to love and so in my teachings a lot of my work is about helping people to grow in Consciousness to Growing awareness so that they actually a presence in their day-to-day life and present with everything that’s happening inside them and signs of them so it’s a big feature with my Tikka work is the amount of psychotherapy that we actually do within the group because we wants to keep learning and keep his whole thing keep growing as I said in Consciousness and awareness that is all you know the pathways to Enlightenment that you are so conscious that you become fully realized you’re old as he practices that you names all the bread and butter of of Tantra I didn’t do I know I have a no deeper work at we’ve developed some quite challenging processes and practices that are not just about like the feature about work yes table you know I’d say a good half of it is about energy and about all of those good things that you named the other half of me is about working on the ego and working on helping people into places of surrender so we’ve developed around unique set of very deep profound exercises the all-purpose Lee Designs to be confrontational if you were an enlightened being these exercises won’t be confrontational you would just Breeze through them because you don’t have any ego and to me what we’re trying to do in time for this above the techniques is the process helping people to really have profound experiences of Freedom with all of the techniques for the day but in equal measure a place that they can safely process of work through the experiences that the housing I’m Works through the blockages are I really firmly believes that the psychotherapies as important as the time for techniques as a practice of tundra totally agree that it’s important is often is appropriate or necessary that we are coming into this in a way different context than the context that the National let’s say in the medieval Heyday of tantric temple building and the tantric Temple arts in India they didn’t have as much baggage to clean up or we can’t really guarantee that that’s the case but really if if if we look at what you know you already mentioned that addiction to the screen environments and let’s say all the Billboards there’s certainly the the the conditioning really the apparatus to build such disease ego minds they had already been aware of it enough that they had built whole systems to keep it in check from birth and it was you know I don’t want to romanticize anything but I just will save it to we’re we’re we’re going to teach Tantra now it absolutely I feel in Residence that there’s got to be a more of a modern tool kit to help with deconstruct this constant state of comparison and superficiality and you know it’s the the beauty of the Sounds in the image that the experience and all of these things that take you more internally they really put those shallow aspects in perspective and it makes it easy to dissolve a easier to dissolve them but then you also need that cognitive work to be done as well so yeah that’s all very different than the issues that for example of being dealt with a hundred years ago I’m an I agree with you about not romanticizing the past you know because if you look how we treated each other in a hundred years ago 200 years ago in England you know if you were sold took the office being a thief without any evidence you a hand and the way the humans treated each other you know for me in those times were very much about people conforming to the different religions on the different ways that their communities operates it’s so I don’t I think it’s it’s kind of why I agree with you about being careful not to romanticize the Past because I feel that people have so much Freedom these days I’m in the last 20 years specially for gay and bisexual men you know we have so much more freedom to you know beyond sales and to explore do we all but I also agree with what you’re saying bad about that there’s so many more distractions that I that can take us away from exploring a Hui hou arale off but I do believe and I do have hope around you no Humanity as to how we have evolved in the last hundred years you know the way that we treated each other then to the with the with the levels of consciousness that we have now I’m vastly vastly improved but you know what this game is not over until we all reach Enlightenment and we’re going to keep Reba and coming back until we kind of really didn’t realize the truth of Who We Are beautiful yes oh I I totally agree with that as well as feel like there’s this trend towards more love acceptance compassion empathy it’s a cosmic cycle I feel like it’s a good sign so we’re if you and then I really do the things that you were mentioned earlier that the headlines about how the world is falling apart it’s really it’s like we’re shedding the Cocoon of the old paradigms and it’s going to be an ugly there’s a lot of whoever’s hanging on to the past is going to fight with whatever power the illusions of power they have the weapons that you know the eagle Madness is just like any any it’s kind of a microcosm of a Kundalini experience or a confrontation and so we’re just watching the the Patriarchs of the old Paradigm fight for dear life of their of their way thinking and you know hopefully they get consumed sooner by Todrick temples than by death on the battlefield so yes yes it’s kind of personal but it’s I think this is a good moment to share it but basically my personal contract path is one of deep Devotion to goddess and and she has sort of appeared to me and in very repeated pattern forms of the fierce goddess Kali and there is some you know the archetypes you could say that they’re just archetypes or you could potentially feel like there’s a real intelligent Consciousness in an entity in the scriptures when they kicked its ass when it comes to life if you say the mantras you’re you’re born do you know if you say these mantras this is going to happen and he may get stuck upside down so serious yeah there’s there’s a place for for all of these Sam Davey experiences in in one’s initiation when where where I’ve sort of been you know guided is through Devotion to do to her is the sense that the the gay subculture in the world is gaia’s best hope for salvation and transformation because there is a I guess the divisions that I have been given is it in plain language been you you have to be instrumental in bringing Tantra and and this ecological perspective the permaculture design and sustainable gardening and architecture helping to facilitate more exposure to Tantra and sustainability within the world of the queer space which I’m absolutely a part of because there is it’s it’s a it’s a lot to be stereotypical to overgeneralize of course but I’m too just acknowledge that that the the queer realm is the domain of the goddess in so many ways and it’s a it’s a softer cell to say hey let’s all go out go out and grow beautiful garden together and sustain each other so that we can all be in love all the time and so with that said I’m I’m just thrilled that we’re having this conversation and I’ve been my practice save you know there’s a lot of people that I have started a pan sexual Tantra Meetup Group in LA and there was a lot of interest in these in these Explorations and there’s certainly in West Hollywood where they called Boys Town you know that’s a whole a whole just dripping with with opportunity to be in a very powerful leverage point for the planet to heal from more Consciousness there so I’m just curious than is it is a question from this event that ecological Consciousness and the design Consciousness the Aesthetics that are so stereotyped about oh you know the flower arrangers in the hairdressers in the this meticulous drive to have beautiful fun Trey Aesthetics you know there’s a that Temple Builder is the essence of the Sacred geometrical temple building Sacred Space designing impulse let’s give the power to those who are wanting to honor the goddess energy and let it flow so do you feel like you have there’s momentum there and that you’re finding people who just get up get ahold of this energy and want to just beautify the planet and create more Sacred Space for to love and play in and how is that all going for you I would say I think the first thing is to I believe the where I’m at at the moment someone join with time traffic a man kind of see it’s kind of on the edge circle of of the identity of queer and I feel that in the last 20 years the relationship between queer and gay is gay has become more mainstream a more widely accepted they seem to have moved further away from their roots of queer you know for me and again I’m only talking personally that you know I’m queer for me represents oldest. Juiciness hold of that creativity oldest active ocean and as as you describe it in firm in terms of goddesses in Gaya Gaya sorry and I feel I feel that’s gay mainstream has lost its connection with on it square roots because it’s become more Wind Creek Atmore wind be accepted I would say that mainstream gay is almost become more heteronormative so I kind of feel I’m a nut in a personal opinion of what I’m saying and I believe the work that I do creates a bridge for mainstream gay man that’s my cake my core audience because I want to help them to explore that Divinity explorer that creativity explored the essence wake them up reminds them and make them show themselves in ways that they couldn’t even imagined before to shake off you know the conditioning in to shake off the the ideas that they need to come form in a certain way and it’s you said you need to shake off the idea that they need to conform to some form of stereotyping identify me what’s it the essence of that is what I’m really interested about is is the liberation of people is people finding their rank freedom beautiful beautiful well it said to be able to talk about these things and I really feel like you feel like there’s going to be a point where your training system is is able to be somehow franchised or where they could be chapters or would you see empowering more leadership Regional leadership so that there is just I think this goal is of having temples that are accessible all over the world and frosting this question I could see if you look at how am I supposed I started teaching in the UK I’ve no just going through a sizeable Investments to get my Visa to teach in the USA so you’ll see us offering a festival on the east coast and there’s many ways to get involved there any lucency mean I won’t bring workshops on the West Coast Oakland in June next year and in New York and Boston and also in the UK so that’s one way but the other thing that I haven’t told you about up to know is again I would you believe that everything I’ve ever learned from time traffic Amen on reinvested in and England I spent a considerable amounts of money building a social network on our website and you know we spent tens of thousands of pounds building this social network and basically it’s like Tom triffitt Antrim eats Facebook people join a social network for free that will automatically put into Regional groups so first of all they can see profiles and see as a man just like them that are in the same regions we have those regions all over the world different conversations that are going on in each one and then there’s all the other Facebook activities that you’d like things like messaging and special interest groups as a news feed you can like posts all the stuff you can do in Facebook we are able to do on all social network and the other thing that I’m about to launch in the next month is what we call tantric touch and love facilitators and what I want to do cross the world is to create local places where men can go and experience love and know that it’s going to be held from a place of quality know that it’s going to be held safely that has like an ethical framework and that is found read under it safe and inner my dream is to create as I sat across the globe a network of tantric touch and love facilitators that’s why I just finished writing it yesterday at my Aunt me to help her is uploading that in the next week so y’all could kiss you for asking that because that’s going to be training stuff in the US in October this year and in the UK in November this year so by the end of the year I kind of want to get this this community across the world if anybody’s listening feels that they in a want to contribute to the world and they want to contribute to that locally in to look at how to create more love you know maybe creating spaces of tops of Love of tundra on a monthly basis is a Hobie you know I’m I want to help you achieve that help you be your ambition yeah and you have the training in the background to relieve design the the architecture for I like the word that you said I’ve never heard it spoken that way before but now I’m going to definitely use it the idea of being found read that it’s taken care of it’s it’s it’s sort of a cassette container space where you know what to expect and there are there’s the supervision and there’s the I’m always talking recently was with the fellow tantrica instructor in and just using the word referee so that you don’t I mean a lot of people’s first experience if it said negative or awkward or confusing experience that where do you like you said you don’t like your teacher said if the intention isn’t very clear and the expectations aren’t very well laid out then it can be traumatizing really didn’t even the deeper the more like you say you’re concentrating everything so if you if you screw up in a ton truck container it’s an amplification can really be deeply fracturing and wounding and then and then turn people off from its this is as sacred as important as virginity if not more yes awesome will this is so exciting and then I guess I just have one last question that if we could if we could explore which is we both a touchdown and I think it points in a conversation and it’s actually a big passion of mine now is to sort of that psychology of if you can’t beat them join them you know I have a lot of critique of the mainstream porn industry and I feel that there is a lot of Tantra colleagues who lament the lack of more wholesome darisi tantric porn and it said it’s been a journey of immersion and Discovery for me to kind of hack into the establishment of the porn industry and try to figure out the legalities and the the technical aspect of it that production to Art like learn the art form and the legal kind of mine field what it is to be producing adult content but I’m getting to a point where the right people places and things and you know Divine blessings are coming together to make it happen to be able to compete with what’s out there in the more in a more Township way and I’m wondering if you have encountered men they could be adult performers they could be Studios they could be producers or just you know do porn connoisseurs who want to see says if I’m loyal listeners are heard of a guy call Davey Wavey I haven’t heard of Stevie way to make a star with I think over a million YouTube subscribers and for me he very much appeals to the generation black overheats and she’s kind of talking about everyday topics for gay and bisexual man and I just launched went with him on a a joint project where we created ignites in your sexual power and it’s a program of three films on and it uses them a beautiful mainstream gay porn Mexican cresada and what’s really interesting in that Fusion is I’m bringing my teachings to a Moulton filming all you know is like porn Anatomy filming meets Tantra and and we did this program website or Tundra for gay men. Co. Uk and you can see the trailer in and see the work I’m on that for me when I talk about porn show me the main purpose of porn is to arrivals and you know I think that we’ve been shamed into watching in ashamed about what she gay porn and I think is is there some shocking percentage of internet traffic is actually poor I think it’s about sixty or seventy percent of internet traffic is is the use and you know rather than make it wrong and we have so many things in the world that make us wrong I don’t think anybody needs to feel wrong what Sheen gay porn I think or feel that people just need to wake up to its purpose the purpose of pain is to arouse and again on the YouTube channel I talked about earlier I have a whole conversation how much do you can use that arousal in tantric practice and I’ll give you some ideas and some techniques of how you can use that arrives old but unlike you been I have a real desire to work with a porterhouse to actually create some high-quality tantric adult content that is arousing and educating and really really beautifully done so I’m I’m open to any project ideas and I’m happy to provide the content I’m going to kiss you for saying that you know this without opening it a big can of worms here you know we’ll keep it concise but I will say to follow up this is a you know what a very important topic in any business any sort of marketing and they were talking about when you hire a start to endorse anything you’re leveraging their fan base and whatever a star make school because a producer of whatever whether it’s a new a new basketball shoe or a new health product a new energy bar or new way to make love to the Divine I know it’s all for sale and some of these performers you would be surprised how deep and Soulful they are a lot of them are doing yoga a lot of Summer yeah so you know the way that athletes have been you know like a NASCAR driver has got a million logos slapped all over their car and there it’s their uniform and everything it says when the time tricks get in the game a little bit step out of the cave in the ashram and start getting into modernities the flow of information it’s going to be a beautiful profound and just the before and after you know the before and after of a Kundalini experience that’s priceless media yes yeah I kind of boiled it down to my it might Shark Tank elevator pitches that Kundalini is the new money shot that’s my new motto Yeah well yeah on that note I think we’ve we’ve we’ve I feel like I’ve had a full-body orgasm non ejaculatory full-body orgasm just Feathering through all my cells and so I will in my commentary there and if you want to give any more shout shouts out or any other last words by all means and then we’ll we’ll call it a an episode I’m listening and yeah for me just to Corollas this is just that let me know for me love is the ultimate truth the ultimate race absolutely and if you’re not in love yourself rewrite it. Good love love Shadow in love Shai West you know we’ll be in touch ticket and stand up I go to and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and improving the podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been a tantra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Wisdom Teachings for Sexual Healing with Yalila Espinoza PhD TPP89


Yalila PicIn this episode I’m joined by Yalila Espinoza, one of my most revered counselors and mentors in the field of psychedelic shamanic sexual healers and researchers.

She was first on the podcast in episode number 4, where we talked about how to take a clinical approach to psychedelic sexual healing modalities.

In this episode she shares her personal story of healing and transformation with plant medicines and tantra as well as wisdom teachings to help both seekers and practitioners on their paths of healing.

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About Yalila:

As an integrative health advisor and speaker, I guide leaders to manage their energy for innovative change in their romantic and business relationships. I have invested the last 15 years to weaving my PhD research results, trainings with mentors, and client feedback into my SOMA & YES on-line programs. I utilize solution focused tools, plant teachers, and life coaching skills in my practice with individuals and organizations. You have the opportunity to:

Release misaligned stories and perceptions.
Remember to listen and trust your body.
Revitalize your connection with nature.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 89 I am here with you Lila Espinosa who is one of my first counselors and mentors on my path towards really trying to figure out how to alchemize Cynthia genic shamanic Neo shamanic ceremony and ritual and ethics and container sort of best practices with a clinical perspective as well on that and also the the sexual healing in the Baton tricks and weaving all of those things together in a way that would be you know something you could write a scientific white paper about as research and so you know the first entered the first guest I had on a podcast starting it all off with you either where we we talked about I sort of clinical approach to sexual predation and the use of sacred plant medicines and ceremonial containers to shed light into the astral planes were a lot of this sort of negative energetic parasitism is happening for a lot of people and how we can start to modernize our tactics and I was very influenced by your work you Lila as having seen some of your videos online and we consulted a bit and then we’ve just been yeah on Parallel paths have been a couple of your workshops over the years and have just kind of watched you were offering Blossom more and more and just there’s so much beauty that you have to offer but I really would love to have you just take a lot of time sharing your whole story is really amazing and really humbling and then we can talk more in detail about what you’ve been up to and what you’re planning so people can connect and really hold that to get continuing kind of omage and attribution you know I really have to say I bow down really deep because I could say in a lot of ways I might not even be walking the Earth right now if it wasn’t for some of the wisdom that you have collected in that you are in the shared with me so you know what a powerful medicine so thank you for that again and please sell yeah go ahead and really beautiful to see your pass blossom in witness your transformation and its energies always moving and dancing between you know people and so it really energizes me also to see yourself and other people expanding and moving the the division forward collectively we will we will be stronger and more Innovative together so yeah thank you and I love how you you know open up the space to share a story and you know recently I’ve been thinking about like what is my sister and how do I even express it differently now than it maybe I would have 3 or 5 years ago you know that people watching YouTube videos of me giving presentations that I could debit conferences and one thing that I’ve noticed is how I am now feeling more transparent and comfortable and really sharing my story in a more intimate way and you know that it’s really important to do that because people have have come into my path and see that they’re sharing a lot of Shame and guilt and confusion the more that I can be honest about you know where it come from it just like puts and he’s in a lightness into did the exploration that we can have together and so you know really looking at the bigger picture and my mission being to really put my focus and my my love into reconnecting I’m humans with nature and so that we can learn like how to be nurtured by nature and really seen our bodies as supremely intelligent and the temples of you know so much information and and and also you know the secret Temple or I’m Sexual Energy exchanges and of course you know learning at with the plant teachers and other kinds of psychedelics that really have shown me many different dimensions in terms of what that means to be a sexual being you know so I really bout to put solve it the plants and sea of trees and you know calls and also human beings who have been my teachers and mentors for sharing their love with me so that I’m able to return and exchange the energy and transmits you know whatever would be helpful and useful for people so that being said that I definitely encourage whoever is listening to this to relax and and really find their Center in in their body and enlist in with their whole body and really it don’t take in what resonates and then just leave whatever doesn’t in and so that just again puts like more of like a relaxation and to the discussion and it is severe it can be very intense for people in fairy you know it’s it’s it’s critical I think for a lot of Our Lives actual aspect and yet you know some people will we’re all at different places right sofa to respect each individual where they are and that you know we’re going to find a way differently and that’s wonderful you know different path leading to the remembering our own truth and so you know from me in a really seen how the sexual trauma that I fear in the physical trauma that I experience as a child you know being raised in different foster homes and then luckily be adopted into more of a stable family and you don’t now seeing the effects of that that wounding that happened young really of the sea plants have been trying main healer you know cuz one of the key aspects that I realize is that I did not trust you and being so after all that physical sexual abuse that was you know caused by those who are supposed to care for me and love me the ones that I wanted to trust to do that but that actually didn’t happen so there is a breakdown you know in in that bonding attachment. And so I didn’t trust humans and you know and I I was lucky enough to go into different modalities and Buddhism and you know city is psychotherapy and I worked in the hospital on the medical model for a while so I need to learning different modalities around health and wellness and yet it was really only when I started to drink various plants including Ayahuasca and peyote where I actually was able to surrender and you know and trust that they had my best interest at heart and that they were going to be healing and in such a deep and internal way that then actually help me to open up to trust humans again and you know some people would say well trust is an internal job like if you got to trust yourself and I heard that again and again you Lila just just trust yourself and then you’ll know how to trust that but for those that have come true sexual trauma and something that said that simply isn’t so simple you know so there’s these the you know the of experience and have built up and it’s almost like having like layers of like Linus Charlie Brown distorted lens through which we perceive reality and you know and so that actually can accumulate over the years because then we have the sexual trauma at one point they were making poor decisions later on around her sexuality and then again and adulthood and so were through this process of healing dissolving and smearing these layers of a misalignment right so it’s a no for me taken 10 years to actually be able to even have some sense of what is real you know and how do I feel my body in a full way how do I see my body as a sacred Temple and then remembering and then forgetting again and going to another lesson of like not treating myself while or not treating someone else well and be reminded and going to another layer of of that learning and clearing the wounding and and be coming into until I’m in again so you know being very clear that everything is energy and just learning how I was exchanging my energy with other people and running my energy in my body you know all this the years of drinking plants and learning Tantra and you don’t having a wonderful sexual initiation experiences with different Ventures and and you know in a community so really having a variety of experiences that has led me to this place is like being more you know open and more like trusting that you know I will find my way and other people will find their way so it’s like a a softening you know softening and and being able to actually listen more to my body and to the energy of others so you know there’s there’s many aspects I would say in terms of my personal story of healing and the primary focus being returning back fully into my body this is what why do psychedelics help me to do is be fully again and my body instead of disassociated and Incredible Gift because I’ve chosen to be human in a body right now and so really to to learn how to fully live my life is for me to really fully be in my body and in cherish cherish all the different aspects of being in body that’s beautiful I totally share your sentiment and it is something that people take for granted and and neglect and misuse really there’s a deep humbling to be broken in these ways and then put yourself back together with the help of plants and all of the initiations you’re mentioning and that finding that trustworthy reputable support people supportive Community with with Integrity yeah that sounds beautiful and I have some questions for other talks you’ve given where I fill it would be really instructive to to touch on some things is it is it okay if I bought some high school okay so one of the things you mentioned in a previous talk is this idea that at some point in your sexual development your love life you felt that you would become a black widow that you would just kind of consume man in a way and I’m curious I think a lot of survivors end up either being hyper-sexualized or asexual some pretty extreme on the Spectrum so I’m curious if you could talk more about what it was what was your process or thought process or even like they’re over some people would say that it’s totally up to you know like you’re being possessed you that you’re you’re checked out of your numbed out so just to give people some check list of wow maybe I haven’t had abuse flashbacks but I’m patterning this Behavior so should I go get checked out you know by someone like you Lila who would be able to do a good diagnostic yes excellent question so I see it as in terms of our Sexual Energy the response from wounding which again you know people don’t need to necessarily perceive themselves as having sexual learning if they were sexually abused if there’s rape or whatever I see that special woman is actually present for a lot of us because it’s coming to know families incestral is societal wounding like so there’s all those layers which we can maybe disc you know in terms of for the energy of like either constricting and becoming asexual or expanding to the point of becoming over-sexualized you know I feel like this is a natural response to wounding or misaligned energy and so I noticed that you know I was constricted for us until I was twenty and then just came out of my shell and was you know I would say early 20s it’s actually responsible however I noticed that I I was I was feeling numb and I didn’t really know how to connect with my partners in a heart-to-heart level so I would I would enjoy sex and I could have you know a lot of sex and I can orgasm in all these things but it there was a sense of like this this fiery and animalistic kind of connection which is wonderful and its own but just that hurt connection was missing and therefore the death that I can actually go into with my partner was limited and so I remember being like 30 and being with a partner who out you know we were very much in love and living together and we would have sexual activities like together everyday and yet he once said to me you know I like where are you it feels like I’m like you’re you’re sort of acting in the role like a prostitute your sort of like going through the motions but I don’t feel you and that was a wonderful wake-up call because I was like oh like what am I feeling in this moment and then you know in my thirties like recognizing that you know in my earlier years I was actually had Jean at knee to feel in control and so the way that I express that need was to you no pick him a male just happened to be mad that I did this with and like have them as a at Target and so I was like I’m going to you know get that person and I’m going to let you know do this to them being a female it was somewhat easier to take that role because men didn’t feel threatened by me they’re actually very like awesome how refreshing that have a woman who looks like chases me and knows what she wants so I got a lot of positive feedback from that which fed to you no further choices in in in that area I would like the idea of conquering and so you know how I saw that as in some ways trying to balance out the the sexual disempowerment that I had felt before and you know really hurting myself and perhaps the other people at the same time in that it’s interesting that I actually chose man this is this is where I would say you know just wonderful fortune that at least I chose men that were kind and generous with me and actually loved me and wanted more from me than I was actually able to give so I would be the Runaway Bride in some ways I would start to get close to someone and then just take off very quickly and so that lasted like a trail of Partners didn’t like what what happened here like what I thought she was really amazing and we had a good connection and you know it was just seeing how my attachment the people was it was like ambivalent attachment so I’d be like come here to me I want you and then like push away I’m done and you know I feel like many of us have run into Continuum you know different layers of that kind of dynamic and so you know one of the things in terms of like self evaluation of like okay do I feel fully in my body when I’m with someone can i gaze with them you know when being sexually involved with someone you know what is my response like after what is my decision making and choosing a partner what is my response after you know why I have a sexual liaison with someone so just like tracking a when’s behavior is helpful and also asking for Reflection from partners and friends and family you know because I could not see what I was doing and you don’t having people share with me like how my behavior was affecting them you know finally having my mother say I cannot meet one more of your boyfriends are our mates because there’s so many of them and she would try and get attached to them and then they be gone so she’s like I can’t meet them anymore so that was again like oh okay what am I doing like why am I going through men like this and also you know that the term of Black Widow I felt like you know I will instead of an odd thing to reflect on but that I was almost like a nervous to actually go deeper with someone because I wasn’t sure what would happen to them you know like I wasn’t sure I could to fill the role of a loving partner in a sustainable way so I’d rather just like you know get in there and have like an intense experience and then you know shove them away for their own good kind of thing so it was a lack of self-love of self-worth you know not trusting myself and and also you know on the shamanic path about the whole other story because it can get very complicated when you’re learning different shamanic techniques when you’re an apprenticeship and involving the sacred plant medicine you know that our energies open up in a wavy become very sensitive and intake in a lot of energy of other people so you know that was a whole other phase of like actually helping me to be more aware of how I was exchanging my Sexual Energy in that pattern of hunting Men actually stopped you know after maybe four years in the past because I saw way more concretely and intensely the consequences of my behavior and of my decision-making and you know I say stop it did stop it and then I really went through a phase of like literally going along plant do you get this I think it was a. Of like three years where I didn’t have any sexual connection with anybody and that was bizarre for me so I feel like I really blast that I’ve had the experience of being very slow and quiet and you know focusing on my healing my body and my spiritual connection to very expensive and you know going to festivals and you know traveling and really being sexually open to what you know a lot of different situations it’s a long a long answer in your I’m kind of studying this more deeply now because it’s more it’s coming up for a lot of colleagues clients just in my ongoing research I just about the show something is really been hitting me hard that sits on the other end of the spectrum is is the is the the sort of from the I guess I will call it a form of side effects cursing or something where you know how many how many women out there who are overweight but say have made a decision in the childhood mind that Daddy will stop touching me if I become less attractive and it becomes a a way to just be armored in this so that you know there’s like a story that comes out if you could go back to yourself at that time what would you sort of prescribe you know now but in addition to the plants and everything but it’s far as just like a session a counseling session with someone this morning who’s a client you know we were I was basically sharing how you know there’s all these different layers of wounding such a wounding that happens right from birth and so no partly it you know we do the best we can to live through Transitions and yet it catches up to us right so there’s going to come a point has and being humans at most often we will wait for a crisis right to actually be mindful of what is the inner dialogue and how are we behaving and actually reach out for support and you know the crisis being either you know an accident and disease divorce you know where something else and so what I was saying it at this morning is that you don’t we have all these sexual transitions in our life that are not honored and so what if I were to go back to myself and you know I was 2520 you know I would say you know less take some time to honor where we’re at you know in and engage in some kind of ritual you tend to the the the energy body or physical body like 10 to the wounding like go to a repair process and you know not just with myself but with a can a counselor or you know of some kind of practitioner that that knows about sexual energy and and rituals and actually honor those pieces and bring back the pieces that have been torn away so they they called like Soul retrieval so many people are walking around out there whole soul and and no wonder we get into complex challenges and Chaos so really going to your post to mend this chair and bring back this piece of me in humidity in ritual and then be able to see more clearly and be able to actually learn better decision-making tools you know being able to actually be inspired to live differently or live in alignment you know with with our Purpose with our truth and so that would be something that I wish I had had and that I think that is extremely important on Asus I don’t like cultural level and in that really it’s it’s together it’s in community that we’re really going to heal and this will help to dissolve the shame and the secrecy you know that’s so many people carry and that actually is so tax on our bodies and psyche right and so that’s really the the Crux of how is it that we then reach out to addictive you know substances are addictive patterns or you know just knowing we don’t want to do it but we’d end up doing it because we’re trying to cope the best we can with what we have an end you know part of it are our best selves or not even like with us you know they’re connected with you know the family trauma than sestrel you know lineage and so I’m just you know about down to everyone who who is finding their way the best way they can write without the support they need and we are very industrious and tenacious of beings and any in really seem like wow we could as a society really brings so much more I’m healing and playfulness you know that’s the other thing healing doesn’t have to necessarily be like terrifying you know terrible process healing can be I’m so liberating you’re asking me is actually the suffering that we carry and suggest really be supported by Community to step through the threshold going through the wounding you know being held by love and safety that you know once we’re through a tree like oh wow you know I can’t believe how different I feel you know I can’t believe that I made it through you know so that’s part of the initiation piece that the initiation but you know by definition going through the threshold you know so being one way of being and then you go through no Dark Night of the Soul or whatever and then you come out and actually shedding you know the layers of Illusion and because remembering who you are again and then you are a whole person right and then the initiation peace being that you know once you’re through that threshold your health and community and actually honored for who you are as as just simply you as an infected being the pit stop for the Soul II it to have helped achieving or accessing sexual wholeness before you go out and get yourself in a bunch of trouble with your skewed what you’re taking from childhood in and so now it’s it’s it’s sad and ironic but really what used to be a a rite of passage into the joy of experiencing being a grown-up and having a wonderful array of sexual experiences that are culturally sanctioned and and diverse in fulfilling a nurturing and all these things that it used to be in our perspective and ecological perspective on on sexual initiation in our ancestral past before patriarchal civilization was say and now it’s it’s sad because so many of us want to restore initiation but really we’re not starting with the Clean Slate or not starting with the healthiest late we’re talking about extreme I mean it would be initiation into recovery from your sexual wounding throughout childhood whether it’s just circumcision and whether it’s Billboards whether it’s sexual trauma and abuse so you’re definitely one of the most qualified people in my network of fellow pewter practitioners Scholars and researchers and so I would really love to hear you take plenty of time to sort of fleas she is to take a step back seeing the bigger picture of seeing this all his energy and you know in terms of like an ideal initiation ritual you know first I feel like there needs to be so much more education around Sexual Energy in general and you know it’s it’s interesting how when I first started offering Pro sexual initiation programs that many men you no say in the thirties and forties would be put off and not reach out because they’re like no I’m not sexually when did you know I wanted to see themselves that way and that’s what it’s really a Charged area so I know she had to take stuff and focus on just teaching some of the basics about energy and communication so that’s like the first level that I feel as a society we need to focus on and that Ashley is refer impossible because it’s not so threatening by the mainstream authorities or Educational Systems you know so I feel like it is possible and that waited for me the important thing is to learn how to meet people where they’re at so they feel safe and taking the first step so you know I started off being like everyone needs sexual initiation and amazing if like in their teens they could like choose you know how they wanted to have their ritual whether it was riding a horse in the middle of a field with a community sending around like latinas easing community in Europe just Fanta I interviewed been actually and I was like yeah beans and yeah it just seems so weird and whatever so I’m like okay I’m going to you know start really simple and you know it can be as simple as person wherever they live you know if it’s a small town or they don’t have much money it’s like the first step you know get a few friends together in your home and have the focus Beyond sharing your first sexual experience storytelling a storytelling night you know could be in your home or Community Hall Road ever and get people together to share stories and sound so simple and it is so powerful just have enough space to share one story and then seeing how their similarities you know with other people in that Circle can be extremely healing right so there are ways to actually connect with each other and you don’t go through initiation that doesn’t have to be some like strange far-out shamanic you know kind of situation it can be Simply Be witnessed you know in in Sharing one’s true story and feeling safe enough you know it to do that you know it and any other hand like if if there is a potential for you know fundraising for a different heiner complementary sexual education program that would be where I would focus my energy in terms of bringing back and did the initiation through transition you know when we have a baby you know different cultures celebrate in different ways and so I’m just speaking in terms of what I know of in North America do you know also bringing circles and people together you know after people have a miscarriage you know after people go to menopause maybe for men you know their sexual desire their sexual functioning changes you know is it possible to bring people together and just like say hey this is what’s happening to me let through it could be through you know I sound healing or making or just move dance or moving or something where it’s just like okay here’s where we’re at let’s move the energy so that one person is not carrying it you know all the Thousand becomes like a heavy burden right so you know how beautiful is the indigenous traditions where they actually brought the perpetrator or you’re the one who is harming others are causing friction in a community and how they bring them in Into The Circle of Care and you know they have people there to hear their story and and to love them up you don’t have to find a way of treating the issue is like a collective issue so so now you know doing that free app for people where there is there is a movie criminal activity or heal people who are really harming each other in a physical way but we can bring people together where you know it’s is folks who are carrying the shame or guilt of something that they’ve done and being able to hold everyone in in that Circle and that alone can bring such healing in the community that I’ve heard of some communities that are able to do this and so many more people so that they can hold this face right it would be beautiful to have the academic background and if you don’t mind it be cool to spend a few minutes actually trying to model and chart out a bit what some of these Cycles are cuz you just mentioned one that that I had never seen a community address before the idea of the transition of male menopause they call it sometimes you know for me there was no there was no guidance around my first wet dreams my first directions my first ejaculations my first experiences that were consensual cuz there were a lot that weren’t before that you know where I was abused in if we kind of map this out there is really there should be songs for everything they should be songs and dances and of course herbal preparations for different things because one of the blessings that I’ve had in my life is to go through a nine-month sexual initiation program myself because I’m like wait a minute I’m like studying this you know doing PhD research in it I’m like talking about it at conferences and I had to be hung I humbled myself and I’m like wait a minute in my own you no initiation progression and so I was like I need to go through my own initiation and so taking at 9 months in community going to different rituals learning how to hold space excetera and one of the activities that I assumed was like a no-brainer or is like it’s not going to mean much for us to write a letter A love-letter to the opposite gender and then also the next step was to write a love letter to are under it was just so wonderfully liberating you know and so like you know I’m popping out for someone say going to still like Ashley simply write the letter and then in a circle in a circle of people you know of safety and in love is for people to actually read their letters you know with with with in front of everyone and and and what it means to then as a man like reflecting on where you come from and then what it means to actually move forward you know it and in the blessings of the the transformation of one’s body once taking Septra to be witnessed by women so I think the two often a couple turns to each other and like things that they can actually figure things out themselves and actually feel sexually you know stimulated + sexually you know that piece and you know just care for buy one other person and I I feel most often is impossible so it’s really to have a man may be going to these changes and then in the circle like hearing the reflections of other women and like what what that means for women collectively and for the Man 2 leave that but wow there are blessings in here I am still loved if you know I’ve kind of lost her you know just connected to the my Hughes where I was very Tetra but to have that reflection not only for one other people can be extremely powerful boosting interesting topic and territory that I haven’t heard discussed a lot and I like where this is going and I wanted to share a little bit more ask a couple things if that’s okay on this topic so have you heard of something called the Coolidge effect it was it was disgusting insects it Don and I’m going to I’m going to not even attempt to try to tell the story of where it came from but it is an interesting phenomenon that has been discovered in nature and it’s been extrapolated to two human males but basically there’s a high level of interest that starts to wane sort of naturally really at any age in a relationship separate from the timing of menopause but let’s just say sexual novelty wears off over time we will call the love curve or the honeymoon phase or whatever but it’s actually physiological kind of pattern and then in farm animals it was very obvious what are breeding that there’s a massive performance a sort of it was the Fountain of Youth for males is sexual diversity and Novelty and so if a couple is monogamous together for years and years and years and not acknowledging that that is a natural factor in an actual curve they could be setting themselves up for a lot of suffering and it’s it’s sort of a I guess a scientific rationale to be more open-minded when it comes to sexual expression and so some people can say oh you’re just a scoundrel and you just want to have an excuse to cheat or something I’m not into you know committed monogamous relationship so I’m not I’m not pushing those boundaries but I’m just worried we’re looking at the gender the discourse and everything and really that the opposite side of that though is that well if you’re a woman and you want your man to be hard all the time you know and he can’t do it or he’s bust some in best in you or insects in general or whatever then if you had an open port to go in and seek Young Bucks you know if a couple with aging together and they said you know what honey you’re not doing it for me the way you used to I’m not doing it for you the way you used to and even Gary Noll said and he’s a you know he’s like a a researcher of all things Health and Wellness in physiology sexuality and he said answering a question for this older couple what do we do if we’re not you know into each other too much what I said bring it bring in a twenty-year-old into the bedroom and see what happens you know interesting if you think out of the box and there is more community and access where were acknowledging that there’s East natural cycles but if you’re really not you don’t have to be or this is my offering for something to you too to address and talk about is dressing U Cycles is if there weren’t such if you weren’t so imprisoned in this constructive monogamy and saying you don’t love me if you’re not attracted to if you know what I mean that’s just not fair it’s not fair on either side so what are your thoughts on on kind of I have had many clients you reach out for this reason of lack of sexual connection lack of interest on meth head couples comes to me and you know honestly I feel like I’m still be getting on this I do and so I’m very mindful of like what you know that I’m still learning still learning and I was blessed to have time in the San Francisco Bay Area to actually go pretty deep into educating myself you know academically and personally in terms of the polyamory relationships visiting different communities really getting a sense of how are people making decisions and going to their lives and end in the different phases and say the first thing I have to say is that each person really is responsible for finding their way that is an alignment with their true so you know polyamory monogamy whatever in between it all depends on the person and the couple right so I don’t I think what works for some people may not work for others and you know I bow down to all the couples who are able to be married for 30 plus years and feel that great love for each other and their sexualize may be different from what I want or think is good but they have deep love and they found their way and also bad on to those couple of so you know have open relationships and and find their way into greater love and deeper love and you know so I feel like if we can talk more openly about our needs and what was happening and have it lasts of a taboo then we will feel more inspired and and safer to Ashley Explorer what are these different options you know when one studies no different sexual Traditions there are many kinds of permutations that communities have tried and have worked for them you know how many different kinds and that and that it’s some of them have been shocking baby to contemporary Western Minds some not some they’re open and they really want to try it on. So I feel like it’s really the first step is to Johnny no one’s needs and to learn how to communicate them and then to be supported in Exploration I just got a big gray my know cuz I feel like what this could become really is is is a theme park of sorts where you could have some sort of safe container to a lot of people would be if he used to cuddle party kind of motif where there’s no swapping of fluids no risk of really any kind of you know transfer transmission of disease and if it was kind of rotational more like speed-dating you know people weren’t necessarily get attached but the idea that let’s have a this is how they did it in the South American tribe were they had what they called shared fraternity and they practice sexual Hospitality let’s let’s be adults Who Made Who do make believe and what would it feel like to have a visitor come and have your wife and your best friend’s wife fighting over which of them is going to be offered voluntarily with with Glee to the guests to be the the Ambassador representing the health of the community and possibly to increase the diversity of the gene pool so there’s an ecological population ecology Dimension to some of these customs and then you might discover hey we should start swinging because this is a shih tzu immersion into what were really not even allowed or dare to even imagine anything different and I’m going to love the time so I guess the problem is to experience out of the western box are really risky and dangerous and that’s a problem for high as you mention that we are living in a particular time in North America where we have the privilege of actually speaking about this and exploring it and really be aware of all those that do not have that safety and where there is a lot of sexual violence that is still going on so that my point being that really really needs to be so much mindfulness and creation of safety because what one person would think is like an exploration you know testing out you know could really be harmful for another person and and you know in terms of safe containers that you never know where sexual running lies and that it you know it’s really pertinent for those in the circle to have some train people who can hold space because you might innocently be going about experiencing then someone has a flashback or something happens you know and you want to be able to guide that person within the group to the the shore to the safety of the shore and if so yes I just really want to acknowledge all those that really have this desire to try out and explore and yet you know they’re there just it’s It’s tricky to to know how to feel safe with certain people and certain groups and you know one of the Prime examples is that you know with that I watch the ceremonies and other spiritual groups where women and men go for healing and exploration of you know the psyche and Consciousness and yet are sexually traumatized and you know I’m harmed and by the Healer by the skilled you know practitioner and yet now there’s another layer right of trauma and you know what does that mean for the community so it’s just a very concrete example of something that I’ve actually Whitney where you know you’re at you’re taking certain indigenous cultures and you’re trying to mix you know interweave different modalities and exploration and for the community to really talk about you no potential pitfalls and this is the way that we’re going to address them to keep everyone as safe as possible that’s that’s really thank you for that for being one of the good guys out there shepherding this experience of initiation I mean I was just yeah there’s is a shaman or the sorcerer are they a guru or the Predator I mean it’s and I’d like to think that just learning Tantra from women is 99.9% safest protection for anybody same thing probably with the medicines and I’m kind of always wanting to that made a joke recently I mean there’s a lot of men in Township who have just developed Powers let’s say the sexual powers and have the Shakti but are not really doing the Davey sadhna so maybe they’re not really getting a lot of direction from the from goddess about what to do with their multi-orgasmic prowess and so they just use it to become sex addicts into just conquer and colonize and build Empires and of broken hearts and an empty bank account send gossip in Madness and I feel my calling having been broken more as a Survivor I feel like I’d rather see a priestess class that oversees all of these things sex medicine Health power politics weapons land at Oracle Priestess class you know rather than being a compulsive with my sexuality I’m trying to actually facilitate this 64 yogini Mondello kind of just suppressed lineage of chocolate on show where they were figuring these things out and basically one of the most Valiant attempts to restore a deeper more Prime Bonnabel like matriarchy for all these to be for these powers to be interested in too so I guess I should ask you you know I know that you did that research I’d like it if you would talk about your your PhD thesis research which is a lot to do with this stuff and then we know what you’re seeing on the horizon of women taking these powers back and men being in service and volume down and you know building the infrastructure for women to run temples and really be the trustworthy trusted class with all this stuff wonderful wonderful vision and you know first I want to say that I can only speak for myself in that I trust myself and I’m certain I trust myself the whole safe space for people and I still have my lundi that I am dancing with and and learning how to honor the Shadow and and weave it in with the light and that only reason I think I’m able at this point in my life you served in in such a comprehensive way is because I actually have experienced feeling like the victim you know feeling like a Survivor experience feeling like the perpetrator as well you know so and also the Savior so I feel like you know opening myself up so you really dive deep into those archetypes and learning how to weave them these different parts within myself so that their allies and actually stronger to be in service is is that really the only way that I that I personally can can make offering so just just a note that yeah beautiful vision and that women still with the routing can be skewed in the way that they also offer things in and and I love how you said Sandman hold the infrastructure and and be in service that way for the women to really take the leadership in in communities because we do need everyone involved and in order to shift the Paradigm so you know in terms of the PC research I focus on North American women who have been in I watch the ceremonies and actually involved in plant deetta’s which is based in the vegetative leave Smosh I’m shamanic tradition and you don’t feel free to go to my website y a l i l to get more info on that I don’t know but it is a it’s a practice that the women that interviewed have been involved in I’m basically focusing on their sexual healing Journeys and how the erotic energy of plant features help to inform them of remembering of themselves as erotic beans and really seeing that these plants in body in a masculine energy you know I’m showing us how these intelligent life-forms are actually holding and and merging these energy can then be replicated in the human reality so that was really beautiful Journey both personally and academically and you know then really seeing how I could best yo go to my own sexual journey and mentioned you know having to really look at myself honestly and go to my initiation and continue to do that you know to really fill in the gaps in and take back the missing pieces in my life and then how to offer that for other people and what I noticed a lot of folks would come to me for concert teaching what was interesting is that we actually had to go through a 6-month process just to prepare themselves to actually clear at some of the misaligned energies and being around you know the family special piece that’s often missed to even get to the country breathing the kind of Lenny you know techniques etcetera because it’s sort of like you know the new shamanic and effectiveness of let’s learn Tantra a way of life you know how we’re relating to life, people forget that they actually know it and embodied way it’s necessary to go through these first steps and so I found that I was actually wanting to jump into an area that people weren’t ready for so then I created the sexual initiation program and you know basically focusing on the seven energy centers and having and different rituals for each Center and that could take quite a while for some people you know there is a lot of material there I actually want and are ready to go into it so I backed off from from that offering and actually created to other programs that are more of an introductory level to get people prepared for the sexual initiation program and one of them is like basic information and it’s called the yes penny for your energy systems and like basic information to teach people like just reflecting notice what’s happening in their body and in their relationships with other people and nature so you know starting off with the very basic teachings on energy really focused on you know people who may be brand new to this area because I was having living in the San Francisco Bay Area I had a lot of clients who came from the business World from the tech world and this is all very new to them like you ask them what are you feeling right now and they’re like I don’t know or like imagine yourself as a tree in there like I don’t know how to do that are really tweak every different language and you really getting learning how the techies think you know and different layers of structures and learning how to actually educate and transmit the information so that they can get it and then also creating a program called soma and this is focus again on sometimes people are not ready to go on a psychedelic Journey they’re not ready to run eyes Alaska ceremony I’m not a I’m not a Ayahuasca Pusher you know where so I can talk, being an introductory level of teaching for people to learn about plants and trees in their own backyard and that there are allies that are around us at all times including simply connecting like walking barefoot on the grass or on the other Senator you know Earth their ways of connecting and actually healing our bodies and psyche that are very simple and so creating a program where people can actually whatever they live you know these are both online programs to wherever they live being able to learn some tools around alter building connecting with elemental allies meditation embodied practices you know starting with the basics and really the key being that there in community and so that they’re actually sharing their Journey they’ve been able to like your stories and information with each other because I’m one person I don’t I can’t hold everything or know very much so really having the support of the other intelligent beings in the group and that this will help prepare you know people who may feel isolated you know me feel new to this area that they can actually start the conversation you know within themselves within their Partnerships and in their community and then learned that the contract teachings you know you could say that some of the material is Tantra but you know as I said before like we’re getting in the way and making it accessible to people has been my focus on this site I feel what’s so missing and so wrong is that it should be more like what were used to with The Apprentice of but Save The Karate Kid kind of coach Phil template where you don’t even know you you’re just doing something that focuses your attention you’re doing the wax on wax off your learning A movement but you were sort of being invited to Pond you know riddles even and it’s not just you don’t just buy the whole package and get it all and have all of the secrets on your lap as long as it takes you to download the file you know it’s it’s kind of be more metered out and some people aren’t they have to be you know let’s say restricted from access to things that they’re not morally or intellectually or spiritually capable to to to do right with so I really appreciate that you’re that you’re developing these these in these areas where where is a lot of other than you know on structures that say maybe don’t have his as many as well-rounded of a perspective is this is a you have everyone’s doing great work I believe I love you with all my other guests are doing but I I got to say again I mean for me and my mission and what I’m hoping to create in the world really you were one of the five salute you very highly because this is what I was when I’m thrilled to hear about is this you know very very soft full careful, painstaking meticulous teasing out of of all these different micro wounds and how we address them and this is great and wonderful I really appreciate that you’re in adult kindergarten with all this stuff as you know so we got to be humble with his with his power and we’re so far from the the Grandeur of our ancestors in in the shamanic traditions and in the country traditions and so you know they were holding lineages passing-down things really keeping this fabric together in a life spanning generations and they were even in there in a lot of their minds coming back to do more work over the course of multiple lifetimes in trying to pick up where they left off and you know that’s a way different bird and Andres mobile of responsibility with power than most people have who just want to be out there playing with matches you know putting don’t they don’t know what kind of curse is there putting on people what kind of spell they’re casting in and I’m one of them to it’s a very you know humbling kind of the thing to see how many people have wanted to just be benevolent altruistic good not manipulative not self-serving these are the first and you know what I’ve felt is extremely important for me to have compassion for myself as an adult you know kindergarten Explorer and compassion for others and as you mentioned there are many paths people teaching in different ways and that as we received this Transmission in such and such a fast way compared to you know our ancestors use the wisdom you know Basket open is that we really have patience with ourselves and others and compassion because we are all learning we we’ve had a he’s missing piece you know in our Evolution that that’s been suppressed you know and so now we’re opening up and we’re learning how to navigate this information the power and you know really proud of my focus being also with these programs to talk about leadership so what does it mean when we’re gaining this information and power and how to actually being authentic and body leaders you know so that were in service in in the highest and deepest way possible like that’s in alignment in a with what is need it in the grander scale So yeah thank you for for mentioning that awesome so what do you want to tell us that before we wrap up finally again your website and maybe some things you have planned I definitely want to just have a clearer sense of if I let a listener who wants to get started with you what it what are all the options and what is there to choose from and then from my perspective I’m just curious what you have planned and you know I’ve been doing a lot of Media stuff and feel like that’s kind of my calling and I’m wondering if you have what kind of media projects you might have for his 2 to look for to look forward to well it’s interesting because I feel like the creative juices are flowing very beautifully and me these days and I have so many ideas in my task these days is to stay focused on a few offerings and to learn about timing so yeah the media have all kinds of interest you know just and I’m really excited so I will wait to talk about those maybe next year you know really looking at the bigger picture and terms of what I see in offering the in the best way possible for me and and the people that are drawn to me is to focus on integration and so I’ve an accessibility so the the easiest way to get connected my website you Lila. Com way e a l i l so the first step in the easiest way is there is a psychedelic integration monthly group so anyone that’s interested in psychedelic I and integration he’s able to I’m go to the EULA. Com members page and sign up and it’s all online there is a community at Facebook Community Forum there’s you know I’m going to be giving teaching video teachings every month and it’s an easy way and you know for someone to put their foot their toe in the water kind of thing in connecting with me and in the community just really noticing that one of her people will come in and out of circles and Retreats and programs but then not hearing from them again and I I just adore Folks at that I need and being able to serve and I’m just like so curious like what are they up to and and knowing that they have so much to offer community so that’s the first thing psychedelic integration online members group then I mentioned the two programs the Soma three-month online program and then the six-month Yes program again you can find info on my website now the I do give Retreats I’m limiting them to for a year and so having a retreat in British Columbia wine in California when in New York and one in Hawaii I just got back from Hawaii and let it be my first Retreat there which was amazing I just the energy there so really trying to focus on those four areas and then the rest of my focus on the in-between phase so really giving people you know tools to integrate well and to step into greater leadership role so you know I give private sessions in person mostly online because folks are coming from different different areas and I live in but finding a way to actually make it accessible for for a lot of different people so so that’s that’s what I’m up to I do have some projects that I spending more time in this year that are exciting that that again I’m going to keep it a little bit quiet right now I’m because I feel like I’m pregnant with them and so just want them to to grow in my belly a little bit more and get stronger but I do look forward to sharing with you again in the future and for the first time ever and now 89 episodes but I feel like I’m going to make it a tradition there’s the spirit guiding I think this our knowing each other and I think it would be great to ask you know that this listenership is growing and I feel like I’m not just a voice in the wilderness I’m curious if you have any needs that you’re looking for in terms of anything I mean it could be anything but I feel like now whoever is really moved by this conversation with you Lila and wants to not only access their services or maybe if if they have a skill or a physical object or resource how how can people Supply you and make your mission that much easier if you know of and just don’t be shy could be anything be given a course of beautiful thank you for the opportunity and I love how you say Mission and really it’s whoever shares of mission in reconnecting with the intelligence of you know other than human beings and the intelligence of our bodies first of all and let whoever I’m also feels passionate about the role of leadership a new paradigm a leadership right now you know just looking at the political changes and and all kinds of changes that we’re going through and that more people are really needing to take responsibility and step up you know to really bring and their gifts and shine all right now so anyone who feels that calling I definitely welcome the connection and you know for those who have skills in technology marketing building my weaknesses I would love to connect with you and you know I’ve been blessed with a lot of beautiful people right now who are training with me and I have an awesome assistant right now so really at who are people who are interested in working on a team you know collectively to nurture you know that this Mission and let’s see also you know anyone who is passionate about a holistic health and wellness like even practitioners are skilled in different modalities I’m really interested in you no First Nations health and wellness the are Vedic you know health and wellness Western medicine you know I came from the hospital and medical model and see the power of them of that knowledge not wanting to Discount that you know that whole model but really want me to bring the best out of that model and and also of course that the shamanic Technologies and how to merge shamanic Technologies with the modern Technologies in in business and in artificial intelligence actually I’m interested in that area as well so really are harnessing the best of technology so all of those you folks who are tech-savvy very interested in connecting with you and in general you know anyone that feels like it would be great for me to connect with someone in your community you know I trust your intuition and your inspiration so please reach out you Lila. Com and the email is support at you Lila. Com so thank you so much for opening that that that the possibilities for a for all of us that have cilia one last thing I would add to that it said you were a very highly skilled and trained really unique skill-set for clinical research if if so if you want to talk a little about that cuz that’s my dream if anybody’s out there and want to help me and her going to sort of follow up on where we started you know a few years ago with some visioneering around what we would do to actually start ghostbusting perpetrators and healing on both sides of the victim perpetrator saying there’s some some clinical work to be done there so do you want to talk a bit about that such a great reminder thank you because I am a researcher at heart and I now have systems in place where I’m tracking information for all the people that are coming through programs do I need to do research yet so definitely anyone who is a writer a researcher who can collect data and collect stories and amalgamate them in a way that’s actually very accessible for folks out there I I have done quite a bit of research and academic writing and yet now I feel more inspired to to put my focus in other areas and Sophia connecting with those researchers and writers would be amazing and I feel like that is the beauty of transmitting information right not only to podcast and you know videos blogs Etc but the other really creating innovative ways to move this revolution you know forward would be really amazing is talk I’ve been waiting for a while and just for the right time seems to be now we both got a lot of beautiful things that I’m going on and so again I I just thank you so much for being there for me and my Dark Night of the soul of my my hour of need you know several years ago now and really it’s again a big thanks to you and homages and appreciation for helping to facilitate more success stories of recovery and I just can’t wait to hear what you have next in and we’ll definitely be in touch so thank you so much Aloha podcast please go to www. and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple that provides ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. 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Sexual Secrets and Beyond with Penny Slinger TPP88


Hello Dear Beloveds!
In this episode I’m joined by Penny Slinger, co-author and illustrator of the classic tantra book Sexual Secrets: The Alchemy of Ecstasy. We discuss her artistic career in it’s many multimedia forms. She offers wise words of guidance for this time of sexual, spiritual, and ecological crisis.

Please visit her websites at:

About Penny:

Penny Slinger, born in London in 1947, graduated with a first class honors degree from Chelsea College of Art in 1969.

She had acclaimed solo exhibitions of her two and three dimensional Feminist Surrealist collage art and writings in London during the 1970s.

She then co authored and illustrated ‘Sexual Secrets, The Alchemy of Ecstasy(1979), introducing Tantra to the modern western world and ‘The Secret Dakini Oracle’ divination system.

Penny moved to the Caribbean where she resided for 15 years, creating art series dedicated to the indigenous Arawak Indians of the region.

In 1994 she came to California to the estate of Dr Christopher Hills. She released the ’64 Dakini Oracle’ in 2010.

Her work has been exhibited widely, including: ‘Young and Fantastic’ (Institute of Contemporary Art), ‘Angels of Anarchy’ (Manchester) and ‘The Dark Monarch’ (Tate, St Ives) in 2009, In ‘History is Now’ (Hayward Gallery) 2015 and ‘Feminist Avant-Garde of the 1970s’ (Photographers’ Gallery) 2016.

She is represented by Riflemaker Gallery (London), Broadway 1602 (New York) and Blum and Poe (LA and Tokyo).

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello their beloveds welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 88 this is a very auspicious day I’m releasing this episode on Valentine’s Day 2017 and I have the distinguished honor and privilege of speaking with Penny Slinger who is the co-author and illustrator for the classic sexual Secrets the Alchemy of ecstasy and I believe this book is one of the most important in my collection and I recommend it to any and everyone and I really believe that it’s magical and it holds a sacred power and it’s it’s absolutely Exquisite adventure to explore the dead which we wanted to at that time introduced a whole Western World to the idea that sex could be sacred and that he was a spiritual path which didn’t bring blame and shame to all of these areas but actually so it completely integrated with one spiritual journey in life and how you could bring everything every single part of your whole experience of being into alignment with your Divine Purpose so I came to Tantra through the path of art you know I’m an artist that’s being my manifestation and it’s my time I need it from when I was so little that time I didn’t do much else other than that it’s my particular gift and I wanted to use that in ways that would be my path in life that I could get something for myself that meant I could always be fully engaged cuz otherwise I didn’t like to be bored and a lot of times it’s being on your own and in this way I could always be actively working on my connection income activity with everything through the if a station of on the practice of Art and the kind of meditation that is so drained collagen went to Chelsea in London for free at IHOP. Having done two years before that in another college and at that time I felt very grown and convinced that I wanted to make a powerful for myself as a woman not only as a woman but at the woman artist and because I saw that the world of art as much as a lot of other Realms and social comes was very much male-oriented and dominated and governed by a male artist however a favorite subject to the Man artist is the female and often the female nude and that music that Shakti although I didn’t know the names talk to you at that time but that shop runs through a call of okra creative experience and expression sew and Us coming out as an artist into the world off to being a student I chose the tools of surrealism that’s an art movement but I used it to try and express the female psyche and for that process of self-reflection and also bringing that out into the world you know I’ve a common tree on how women in general is seen and at that time feminine wisdom was coming up as a movement but it I wasn’t really a game connect to two eyes at the sensual and sexual and intuitive and all these how is a woman it wasn’t raining looking at fat as much as trying to get women the same kind of power this man so I wasn’t really attracted to that but I was very attracted to trying to embody myself fully in the world as a fully conscious thinking feeling sexual sensual being who was female but who was a powerful as any other artist being but in her in her own right not emulating not trying to be like that but trying to express herself so I felt that my situation was very reflective of the feminine in general in that that was a kind of repressed society and there wasn’t even an aspect to thinking that women really enjoyed sex it was more like the sides of their husband boyfriend anyway I was using my aunt to delve into this whole phenomenon and when I came out about school I was looking for my direction because as I say it’s the realtor was important to me but it was really an active movement of the movement and I wanted something that was much more Dynamic and connected well I went in the early seventies to the first exhibition of Tantra. That was put on the table in London and when I walked in there it was dressed like I I Stood Still and I’m home you know I recognize all this I know this what can I do to find out about what this really is and so I went about trying to find anyone who really knew about Time trailer on the inside not just them book store off of a kind of knowledge that was not experiential I wanted someone who was in and cool that into my life and it took a couple of years but then I got introduced to this man Nick Douglas and interesting Enough by the woman who ran the old Woman’s little group that I was part of in my seeking to be part of this emerging feminine expression and she said that Nick Douglas lucioni quote liberated man she’d met and so this is all pretty and so when I got together with Nick so many things been into place because they could just come back from India he been on a silent retreat with is a yoga teacher in Sanskrit to the bathroom and peed with no book on the side of Tantra and he just had all these home since two of these questions which was I would Express to him something that I haven’t really been able to talk to anyone else about and he would go yes didn’t answer that now. About and it was my wild and crazy experiences with something with a contact that lost Journey towards finding that and when are we being together for a while we went to New York and when we went to New York we saw a lot of the friends that we had and their relationships were they had a had that first opening of sexual Liberation there was a book called The Joy of Sex by Alex Comfort but I don’t know if you ever heard of that a lot of people’s initiation gets exploited for couples Not Just For Men you know it was something for couples and so everyone was feeling this New Freedom the parents come in so women have they had there was this whole new Liberation and that there was no direction to it and so the relationship was so I would just falling to pieces because people were experimenting left right and center but with nothing nothing to come back to know kind of foundation or I did about how energy actually works and so we were talking to a friend in a restaurant in New York sang what we were observing and say what a panty but they don’t know you know about time Tren the teachings here at Scott so much real solid information about how energy works and what these things mean in this whole spiritual reference point which could be The Guiding Light in these times and when we finish talking a man came over from the next table instead I hope you don’t mind me coming over but I couldn’t help hearing it what you were saying and a Bookshop in New York and I have a partner who is starting a publishing company and I’d love to have him talk to you about doing the book about the pitch that ever was I’ve started we thought it would be a quick you know you paper book paperback book a few months over to America to live we were living in England at the time and it was a labor of love and have you seen it didn’t really want to do it because he said these are the secret is the power and I said you know Nick tell you the gift that it’s being mean to me to understand that that is the spiritual part which I can truly on with all my being that the way one can make all of one that she was part of a spiritual practice is inclusive of everything this is such a blessing and to know that this lineage of people who’ve what with these energies and found out how energy works in the bunny hop in and tune into all that this to me is being a Saving Grace and I want to share it and I think if we do if we just surrounded or would love that will be its own Protection work yes yeah yeah there’s really a powerful intention like I said I feel like the book is alive and imbued with spirit and yeah I think it’ll melt the heart of the most Sinister sociopaths and apart from doing all the drawings I did write it I mean what what I wanted to do myself I saw myself as the bridge between the esoteric World which network representative of all this knowledge and transmission and direct experience some studying and he was asking about the odds of getting into the heart of that but I felt that things that he done before and after they were really fascinating but they were locked in a row that I can dance and little bit difficult to make old is accessible to everybody that I felt this is such a gift for for everybody is so I would go off and I would write this completely stream of Consciousness and intuitively what I thought for a section and I I had decided that we needed to have short sections so that people could access it easily and just be able to go and read one section not have to go and read the book cover but even just waiting one section you’ll get a whole teaching from that that’s holding itself without connected to everything else and also having so much I felt that to made it belong with your direct and easy for people to understand and connect with and in translating the drawings a lot of it from we got a whole collection of Indian Miniatures and things which we acquired to walk from for the book between each way I translate it a little bit and sometimes they were more directly the representation that we had in the original image as much as I could but in some other cases I change the little bit to make it a little bit more recognizable for a western audience in the Japanese shunga for instance you know that device unsteady enlarged and I still kept them I reduce them down a little bit to make them look a little things like that but it was it was just a wonderful process of learning and assimilating doing the drawings were all of that it was and I was supposed to ask you a few questions about the depressor septi has he given the above the overview yeah thanks well I’m curious how people responded and what the sort of marketing strategy was at a time it if you had if you stirred up an uproar if it was yeah how was that guy was he at that time you were you were going to be you know really making a statement to say the least so well you know it was pretty rough I received over here straight away and I’m in the book has sold over a million copies worldwide it is and going into over 12 languages and it was I think it was the right time and think how many books have come in the wake of this one For Better or For What I think of England English people in general and not very into the pressure points on the meridians in the big toe and they everyone then copy it in their reviews text my big toe you know I’m making all the different men’s magazines to sang this was really something that everyone should have really okay so I’m so glad that you said that right now because what’s what’s happening in my reality to kind of give you a bit of a briefing on that is it I’m I’m positioning myself deeper and deeper no pun intended within the mainstream porn industry to take these teachings and bring them to life in this new territory that we have of high-speed internet poor and it’s accessible to everyone worldwide and they’re just getting basically really to put it put it bluntly they’re being there being a I think I feel like they’re being psychologically spiritually raped by entities that are possessing the people in the porn industry to produce content that’s actually serving a negative ejaculatory cool creative impulse to create hell on Earth and that is puts me in an interesting genre of porn which I called tantric where shamanic and you know it’s not it’s not surprising that there’s some resistance and backlash to the the maneuvering I’ve had to do to get position but there’s also a lot of people embracing and saying this is this is the extreme anti-christian ecstasy that we were trying to achieve by choking each other half to death and so you know I could go on but I’ll say that this is so obstinate to know that you were getting reviews in the adult magazines and so what was their response engagement do they want to have did you know what to do now all the sudden do like a a tantric spread you know what time she ate Bunny and what are they call it the centerfold I mean wizard partnership could have happened if we didn’t disappear after the book came out Nick and I move to the Caribbean so we’re off on the desert island for 15 years and so we didn’t do it and I was just at that point following Nick wanted to do because I was in surrender not to him but to The Pantry cart and he was my my teacher and in so much of this that that was I just went with whatever that flow was meant to be and so that’s what happened but I have over yes felt a deep of colon to introduce because I didn’t see it real erotica into the field that was when I as I say when I was young and we both have this there was so little to The Fugitive at streets off to the side and men and you know raincoats on something but it wasn’t over proliferation. Kind of numbing that happens which was what results and what you were talking about just now things having to get harder and tougher with us because there’s so much without the actual energy Exchange spiritual and emotional connection that goes with this whole thing which is what that holds energy about integrating all those flavors that sentiment so will those emotions in the being I’m not just this thing which is bringing you into this base knee-jerk reaction level which is in the end ultimately so empty and unsatisfying because the depth and breadth I mean so and even not even the human relationship a lot now with all this activity that’s going on so it is needed so much to be able to bring this and I actually did a few years back I did a video as a demo bringing the secret to life and someone was going to pretend that the Playboy but then they didn’t want to do that kind of thing anymore at that time and I just put it to the side you know if I I try to be very focused with things and if I bring something for it and then that the doors are opening because I have always a lot of projects that need my attention if something isn’t going with us some kind of slow then I’ll just go on to the next thing. I didn’t really pursue it but that has been something that I felt so important that we need to bring into the mainstream house to be the transformation and healing of this energy which is now all out there but only the Outta the real stuff that people are actually dying for inside well I have all choked up right now because what is what I think of hear you say is it you were you have taken steps and have been partially met you know it in it potential a desire to perhaps use the knowledge that you have to direct adult media content is my hearing you correctly what is trying to do that for a while will the reason that the reason that I have like tears streaming down my face because I really want there to be a an elder ship for sexual education through adult content and that’s what’s missing is is a real ethical spiritually responsible empowered trustworthy sacred wisdom tradition that can be shared now I mean the time like you said about the the timing of the release of the book back then there there was a very little published both entertainment and educational erotic media of all types it was so black market and so underground for you know they took to the point where they were taking erotic statues and hiding them in the biggest and most important museums of the world just these secret hiding hiding collections of erotic art that nobody could dare lay their eyes on and no it’s it’s the lowest common denominator and this absolute torrent of junkfood sort of sexual erotic media and at the Township community is way behind and I’m not putting that on you because you were a Pioneer with this but the people who are my colleagues now I feel like there is not only a financial opportunity but there’s also a spiritual and dharmic opportunity to step up you know the way that you guys did you know back in the day so I just want to bow down deeply in just feel this moment where I feel like what you know the work that you did could really be embraced by let’s say the top pornstars is in the world we know they just have to have a one experience of being shocked if I’d you know doesn’t have to be the most extreme Kundalini activation that’s ever happened but just that feeling of there being something loving comforting nurturing that’s beyond you and your mind and your partner and that dissolution into the Divine that’s what we’re talking about that people have just not had the that the training to experience so built bed go to Temple Hill where I am and made the video and audio Studio the idea behind not in the idea that we shared and came together around was that you can through the use of the media confer the equivalent to shop Peapod and that is the interest in really being able to use the media to Consciousness the new Consciousness Consciousness in Bude with experience it’s what you feel you have to feed it through your being on that sending a level and I’m certain EU I’m sure you’re a practitioner of understand that you know what is being really tried to be accessed through the practices it’s the practice Brad Pitt so we need to do is act and transmit that. Energy wave that blessed wave which is the sublime Phoenix that is that the blitz of the gods and goddesses that they are all in this Union space of a blessed and the nectar of that you needed to shower and down and when you can create that wave and I believe that way if she is a transferable energy field which if it’s really establish that can be communicated and transmitted to other people through the media for the sound of delight on vibration of it all on the frequency of it but that then it’s this amazing gift because that is touching the stars and not to me is essence of time it’s been able to tune into that multidimensional nature of staff and to then June or that you are all that they do not feel to those principles of you know Divine connection and connection Inc you know see the other as yourself treat others as you would wish to be treated as yourself understand that says they think I’m depending the car comes back to you yes I understand that but sometime or other that’s going to happen and all you’re going to want to do is put out the best of all that you can be and how do you be your best you be your best by shooting your energy vehicle that you are understanding that all this solid stuff isn’t just a little energy fields and that you are the master or mistress Otis Divine machine that you can gift it and that it’s your duty as an awakened being to use everything that’s one of the things in time to use everything rather than refuse or deny everything is in order to be able to develop spiritual but 10% used all of it but cannot do the Alchemy do the Alchemy of all that with pure gold by and my sense of it just touching everything but the hot with the vibrate and that’s goddess and the time you know either as a device if you like can be used for for power or it can be used for love and another goddess is all love because that is the only eligible because yeah that was the most Exquisite beautiful Treatise on Tantra that I feel like I’ve ever heard and well it’s a it’s spellbinding and I feel that I just blessed blessed to hear these these words be spoken and by you and and I’m curious if you would like to guide us through what your creative Works have been I know you’ve you’ve you’ve got too many directions since the book was released but I’m curious what do you recommend people start to discover beyond the book that that you feel most proud of and and thank you yes well you know I do see the whole thing at the adjoining and I I I came in as a bikini but I didn’t really know myself and I spent the first part of my life and I think it’s natural for beings to do that to spend the first part of their life but then who am I trying to know oneself and then that way you differentiate your paws from what has been necessarily conventionally and you you you choose this especially if you’re a person just naturally go to the beat of everybody else and you know I know. Keeney is now have been their name is being taken before I kind of embodiment within but you know what they represent in essence is in at the embodiment of a feminine wisdom principal they are archetypes of wisdom wisdom which comes at you naked because it is naked it butt naked truth it’s naked just radiating blessed through every pore and it’s disruptive because it passed away all the things that you because I think you relied on and all those artifice is an old as he go dramas she just Trampled Under Foot and lost and she’s drunk on the blesiv share spontaneous being yeah in the other part of my life before I discovered Tantra and the reflection that I came in just trying to see who am I and in that I said who am I and how do I fit into the culture that I find myself in and it’s my own self and what other projections of others and how am I seeing and how do I see myself and all these things I was bringing into my experience of and I found the technique of collage and that was when I was doing my thesis of surrealist artists map sons did a number of collage books using old engraving and in those books he put together the Engravings to create seamless new world but they were very Fantastical you know people had wings and snake came out between the Pavements and the real encounters happen but now look like they were meant to be like that all the time but he’s instructed them and you couldn’t see where they looked. Together they were a new world and I said I thought you could kind of see make it look like it’s not. But it’s actually fuse into a new reality and you can also really joke people’s perceptions by bringing together the things they wouldn’t normally associate together but by the juxtaposition you to create this what they call it in there so am I use those those tools of collage and use the loss of images of myself had my own photo taken and put myself in that so that I could be both see the Muse and the one I mean the object of somebody else’s view but with photographic and then I also made three dimensional objects and I use those cool things in a lot of pieces life cost of myself my own head button and then like us about the people that was similar to using photographic call out your photos Honda back in 73 I had an exhibition code opening which was all about food and the roster so I’m bringing together you know that the body of woman with the whole idea of the table together in that and it was very shocking to people dressed up I had a whole wedding cake constructed I’m prevented myself as with a van everything adds the wedding cakes at the invitation for the exhibition it was in a being fully engaged in in in the eye and after that I forgot I started it went through for 7 years which was a major I guess you’ll call now to send what was that word wasn’t used at the time but it was me looking at all the skeletons in the cupboard I had a relationship with this filmmaker and we were meant to be doing all these projects together and it never really asked you fully manifest and then we broke up and it was my whole drama with woman’s theater group and my what with them kind of ripping apart their relationship and then I just had to process all this cuz I would say I’m sorry can I ask you something really quick I don’t want to cry or be a gossipmonger anything but I feel that the the Dynamics between creative creative relationships romantic relationships and those the way those play out the Ender play especially if there is I don’t know what that was in your case but I’m I’m really curious to see what wisdom you would have to share about you about using tantric skill sets and tools to harmonize human personality conflicts that’s a big big question a lot to to explore but if you were able if you were confronting these sort of issues were you able to at least somehow raise the vibration you know even if there are deal breakers and things had to be you know closed off but I’m just curious if you were successful at all and applying principles or by Christopher Hills my you know the person who built this property here he did a book called creative conflict which was all about heart-to-heart communication and about people needing to be hard I’m so it’s at whole dynamic between having an exchange with someone else but that person letting you know after you’ve spoken from your heart but they have understood it reflecting it back in their own words to you and that you do that back and forth and it actually creates a whole different kind of feedback loop the misunderstandings that often have a good exercise based on you know Christopher understanding of those principles a yogi eyes pop from being a western scientist animal and he was all these things wrapped together but that was a very good example of principles into the relationship Dynamic but for myself you know that it’s been so many different relationships and even oceans and you know how many dimensions the last to it and each one I’ve had a few major relationships in my life apart from many other relationship but as a few major ones you know that had bad that even a beauty and then Gloria and the agony and you know all of that and I always say there’s no such thing as my student so I like to think we’re all students protection is setting in the area relationship dynamic especially going to the mat the male-female dynamic at this particular time on the planet is in such a challenge in at the rest so many areas that go across because she knows you think of just love and attraction and vibration if you like you know that conventional I’m just you know that Dynamic the spice of life and energy vibrations which you know I make everything so complex and setting it this time the whole sexual identity is something that so you know I’m in the midst for what it’s going to be the next evolutionary stage of how we’re going to be able to manage male-female dynamic in a new way and of course you know the true Keys the Contra do do hold those keys because it is a true and which ones have it if you are able to hold that Crucible and a gaining and it didn’t. Do you have the real chance to be able to see the Divine in each other and bring the Divine fully into that invaded relationship and that you know it’s just the the Beauty and the glory and the end of the immortal France and get moving into our discontent touched any magical ways but at the moment I’m playing a lot of challenging in our relationship not only to each other but to a whole The Crucible of plant it up and down with her that you know that the interpersonal has to also be expanded I believe attitude tantrica to include the whole interaction with all of our natural world at this point and really bringing that into every meditation and interaction really because we can’t afford to lie if that helps eco-warrior and was all about planting gardens and saving trees and I still am now but I feel like what I’ve added to that with Tantra is just a ever-deepening reverence for creation and for the Divine the astral the Earthly Plains all the things we often take for granted I just want to be in that state of reverence and awe that I think most people achieve that when they go into the Great Outdoors and then go hiking or skiing they they have a tantric sort of shocked if acacian of there at least their parts of their system get woken up an activated unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be enough to make them into real hardcore activists a lot of the times but I feel like the there is an ecological agenda that is very transparent and very intrinsic to the path that that romance with with the life-giving fertility of this divine feminine and if you know a lot of people experience very direct communion with the wisdom intelligence and directives of Gaia through this practice so do you want to talk a bit about that kind of revelatory ecological revolution of Tantra if you will be glory after the sexual Revolution and I would save the kind of a cool resonance that I’ve I’ve told condemned presentation to some of her because I really believe especially in the cold vibration that she said we’ve got to start treating the Earth like a lover not like a mother and it when you treat her like a mother it’s you expect the mother to get unconditionally do everything for you and you don’t have to give anything back but if you treat it like a lover than you you know show that you have to give love to that lava and it says to a slow and so that’s an important shift and I think that’s a good thing to bear in mind and I had one time when I was in my twenties and experience with some strange object did Johnny and in that time I had what I still feel program the most orgasmic experience that I had when I had it I was just lying back on this massage table I wasn’t touching myself but I was having these orgasm just passed through my whole body and what I was feeling at the time I felt like I was body of the Earth has style and the every single every single of an insect’s wing and the slithering of the body of a snake and the rustling of leaves everyone going through my whole being beautifully spoken and who could not want to experience that who doesn’t anybody out there not enjoy orgasm it’s a very small number and to the to think that it can become such a flow state of being that level of Sensitivity I kind of almost feel like what most people are striving for when it when they’re trying to get off you know whatever gender or sex they may be is there their they’re basically trying to use friction sex or some sort of high-intensity friction contact in order to kind of chisel or sandblast or break through all this plaque that separating their nervous system and their chakra system from the cosmic Bliss that is a constant wave of orgasmic energy so the more you dissolve that plaque through right action through dharmik practice and purification of all kinds that are very well enumerated in the tatras you know an in yogic texts and Vedic texts there’s a path way to clean your stylus and get more of that orgasmic slow going and it’s definitely so abundant and not so scarce like everything else that we’ve been tricked about as far as the scarcity mindset vs. the abundance mindset so that’s just a follow-up that’s from me and and now that we’re coming to a close on time do you want to talk about some of the anymore highlights from your creative works that people should be looking for then about what’s what’s the current and future of an exorcism it was called and said some the book that I put out and that was trying to look at all these psychological States and and who am I and is that I could dance we both kind of psycho and then I come out at the house and then I have discovered time trip by this point and then I meet Nick Douglas as I say and then we went on to do another College book called man the next to see which was just a celebration of coming out of the confines of this black and white house and all the Western Heritage Inn in the Himalayas and just everything is one century psycho-spiritual play of of everything the profaned the sacred oil mixed together and it was a it was just we were enjoying and I wish I knew how to do, what a wonderful tool it was expecting this and that was that serious and then at the same time we did the secret dakini Oracle which was the 64 card Oracle system in systems put that out and that’s being around working since then then I went to to the Caribbean I was there for 15 years at I-10 and time got a long story short I realized I was there because of the embedded energy of the Arawak Indians whooping for alcohol Caribbean free Columbus and the Magical and pure kind of society who had been swept under the carpet of history and speaking to me and so I firmly believe that the indigenous way of life is the way of creating sustainability for the planet if we can start to embrace him understand that engage instead of in a friend that to the side as the Civilization V how to be in tune with the spirit and all things so that was my home to that way of life but I did for my portraits and they are like Indians in my time that and then I came back to America in 94 after I was I was here before that New York I was working on my phone from about the Arawaks and I finish that and then it was then that I met Christopher Hills and came here and then for the time here I am held a lot of events dr. Christopher past but she did the 97 to bring in the goddess energy and I still would like you to describe them when we talk to them right to coming on on on the car that you were interested in the way of using the energy that is that in these events and we’re all these awful waves so all that happening and I still while we can offer them to the goddess and then she can give her grace to us and doing for several years he has many people from the whole graveyard from performance thoughts and in the area bringing them in and having people get their offerings to Spotify and then one. I made the 64 that key Miracle which isn’t Eeveelution of the nlra but this time each of the energy that he needs and I have 64 Oracle and I hope to do a nap cuz if it can meet chat father and that is like a temple for the goddess and an Oracle phone just working on more three-dimensional pieces the game and coming back into a focus of customizing they oughta game having reached out to all the Divine archetypes imma come back into a more personal expression and now that I’m done now I just want to see you on tour with the museum installation with all this I’m not the biggest art Aficionado in the world but of course I’ve I’ve been a fan of Alex Grey and H R Giger and what I after this conversation I feel like I got a lot of catching up to do on on what you put out that I wasn’t aware of and I’m really going to enjoy it so it is a sort of a sumtur got some guidance that you could provide to say hey go and you know you can go to your website and in and just order purchase what you have or their YouTube videos or any other ways to access your go to website since I mean has a broad spectrum of the word that I’ve been talking about and then 64 the numbers that Kenny. Org is where you can go to consult the Oracle and but also that the gallery of the images of the Thai King is there and then the Blue Lotus pod. Com which is rstudio site which has some videos and Son photography so those are few things that you can look at to start with and I haven’t all page on Facebook too with how about Instagram of you if you got on that platform say it took me a while because I just have so many projects and engagements of all kinds I didn’t want to be distracted by something that was another no platform of that nature however I am totally convinced now that it is one of the most strategic leverage points for anybody with the message or Consciousness that can create visual content it’s amazing I just thought of something I wanted to say and it was about relationship and resolution from a perspective that we were talking about mentioning my exorcism though that thing about The Break-Up and processing of the relationship and that’s what spurred our conversation about relationship with my partner at the time and next month or beginning of next month I’m going over to the UK to go to a conference and speak that that’s about this film makeup Peter Whitehead and over the last few years we can get back together in the sensitive film that we did at the time which type of being shown all those years and I was able to show that the Hayward Gallery in London and oh so I’m speaking at the conference about him because it’s a whole retrospect if they take him to the archives at this University and son a solution of some quite powerful can you describe it at all or just footage that we shot at the same time I did all these photographs that became the basis of the footage of myself and my girlfriend and Peter Shaw hit in this old derelict mansion house could love and it’s all just showing it Roar has it came out to the time off to all these years after 1969 that was shot and I guess this unit many takes but it’s like in this time the space that it’s like a magical experience that’s amazing so is there any hope that we will get this that’ll get to see a bigger audience or what do you have his first plants with that now is scheduled to reach a larger audience is a documentary that just being made of me he was young filmmaker Cove it started walking on it in 2012 when I was over in the UK I’m getting a tour at the gallery about my work and he was excited and said, I shouldn’t interfere with you and that interview grew into the documentary what she’s dressed now completed and it’s all of my early walk treat antra I’m in London and a relationship with a woman that hole. And it’s called Penny Slinger Out of the Shadows quite a good release coming up shortly support and Discovery and in the promotion and I’m definitely want to continue to explore in and talk with you about how to support the mission that that was laid out and and I feel like someday I will somebody will be calling me and asking me what was the story behind what brought me to interview and people like you if this is my contribution to the world and there’s just an ongoing interest and it’s so interesting to see to get this background and to have to really just go on a sort of a Time a Time trip into these you know these different points in in your creative history and really if I could just ask you a couple more questions before we before we call it a night do you have a couple more minutes being this kind of bridge through these was one of the things to me that’s very important in the manifestation of my life’s Mission if you like is to be able to be active and relevant at this time in my life when I am old and that the wisdom of the wise woman knows he didn’t pack anything back into society and that’s what he need so much to be able to swear I act now I’m not wanting to be Destin historical figure but I am for the active right now I love that thank you so much yeah that’s I’m so thrilled again that we’re having this conversation and I feel like the the need is is greater than ever to access the wisdom of the elders going back yuno thousands of years and the question I actually want to ask you who really is like the what the let’s see the shocked it country code is the goddess worshiping country cuz whether they would be considered on the left hand path of the right hand path or generally I think more realistically it was a it was a sort of he was ambidextrous it was an ambidextrous way to be in in in the shock to Tantra schools where you were dabbling we’re not doubling but really actually working consciously with Desire with with Will with your will and also with the Divine elements but hopefully with Integrity to Lenny’s trainings you would be in service to add a v or in the process so that you would be sort of putting yourself to work for the Divine will and getting your commission of the small things that your small mind actually wants in this small slice of the universe or the universe and if I if I simplify what the essence of the positive empowered healing Reverend Liberatore nature of of the more feminist Tantra is about purification of those parasites of the heart that you mention you know earlier and if if that was the intention back then against the forces that Humanity was up against at that time that they warned us the forces are going to get worse it’s the Kali Yuga World age and we’re going to be inundated with these negative entities once again the technology that you were exploring and has continued to explore and her still as you said ready to bring to the present moment at this time of absolute sexual Madness more than ever through porn the the question is it took me awhile to get to it but how do you advise the world now about the need for Tantra what are your what are your words of wisdom and take as much time as is you have pleased to give us some guidance now Where Do We Begin what do we focus on and prioritize if we have limited attention spans you know yeah please and that was about a left hand or right hand Tantra and as far as I’m concerned they only real difference in a kind of pacification is that the right hand is to do with meditative Union with say the daikini and the right left hand is to do with actually taking an inverted Shakti to realize that Union but it’s both to do with the inner Union with the Divine being and then the interesting cuz I had it seems so simple but I had a revelation between like tantric meditation and the meditation of other religious forms is you’re not sublimating that energy that section energy you actually using that but what the right hand while you’re using it but with this entire no. Can you actually making love with the internal. Kini so it’s it’s using everything rather than denying everything so I just really wanted to address that because when you say to balancing photos of course you know the play is at the Contra dealer is that Tina between the outer and inner and other call BNI it within the soccer not the gross body that’s why it’s called the second body the energy body where that is you know that that in a erotic channel of energy where in at the Statue of Santa up to the crown and it’s all one energy and I said that they that the blessed is when you envision and experience the union of Shiva and Shakti in the crown chakra meaning like completely in their territory around but fillet in the cellular matrix honey and milk into the Lotus at the hot and got us that and that is The Crucible and that’s if the dentist thing to focus on in the inner plane that’s it because it’s about the dog and dangerous about the dog that hot ass between me and have a claim and it’s true that you know list for meditation that you can stop with the chief Zach time does all the time male body vibrates but we’re actually wonderful wave energy that you are manifesting it’s that I want it that you’re tuning into it with the gift-giving wow so the right-hand and left-hand path are not antagonistic that’s an illusion make the pads Chrysler make an ex or something in a beautiful dress right as bad as it spirals as it should beautiful thank you for that clarification I think that’s going to help a lot of people yeah so so I’m dressing and red and white snake spider and around but you know the contract principle is to get that energy than going into the central Channel which just you know is this I’m at wave of infinity no bottomless and topless photos of spiraling into that Central Channel yes yes thank you so much it’s as beautiful as it’s no wonder that your visual artist because you’re you creating a beautiful art form in the Maginot just through the word so and yeah thank you for that I am very excited to see what you continue to develop and and I definitely feel like his you’re saying it’s if it’s if the wisdom that you’ve been carrying is not percolating through the generations the way that it it we would hope for it to then I want to be stepping up as somebody who who really makes effort to connect people who are interested in erotica and neurotic media and the wisdom teachings that that you you share to be able to access them so hopefully this is one small step in that direction with doing this podcast and I’m going to definitely look forward to just catching up in schooling myself in your work yeah any other things you want to share before we go tonight you are sending out many good powerful vibrations to everyone who possibly tunes into this that they fix that part of being that country Quiva of the own Destinies and put themselves in the center of that own mandalas so that they a defect not just cause at the same time of cost aligning to the Divine headlights in the sky but your fulcrum and your guide so that you are at course but your turkey day at effect of the goddesses well, all right good night thank you so much pain he will text you and take care, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818 to 7515 3 or emo band at Country Park. 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Leveraging Sexual Capital with Raven the Tantrapreneur TPP87


TPP87 pic In this episode I’m joined by Tantric Raven, my coveted counterpart and soon to be tantric business and pleasure partner. We explore her unique path of tantrapreneurialism, blending diverse passions, skill sets, talents, and trainings to be one of the most dynamic priestesses I’ve yet encountered.
About Raven:


I see myself as a Dakini Priestess. A Dakini is a Tantric Priestess that roughly translates in Sanskrit to “Sky Dancer.” A Dakini, in carnal form, is a female muse gifted with the abilities to serve as a vessel, carrying out sexual spiritual enlightenment. A Dakini’s role is to evoke spiritual awakening through pleasure and arousal. They are cosmic souls, grounded on the earth yet always dancing in the sky. I often find myself dancing in the ether worlds, gaining knowledge and guidance.


I see myself as a Curandera Priestess. A Curandera is a Spanish traditional healer whose practices include plant medicine healing, exorcisms, and spirit cleansings. Cureanderas are thought to be blessed by God with naturally born healing powers. These gifts are often passed down from generation to generation. I come from a long line of healers from both my paternal and maternal lineage. Not only do I feel that my gifts are something passed down to me, but also something that I have gained from many, many lifetimes working with Sex Magick.


I see myself as a Shamanic Priestess. Shamans are channelers who interact with and receive messages from the spirit world through altered states of consciousness. An archetype for a shaman is The Wounded Healer, as it is said that many shamans find their calling through sickness and suffering. My awakening began when I was going through major health trials and tribulations. I healed myself through connection with a higher source and I seek to do the same for others.


I have a bachelor’s degree in both Behavioral Science and Marketing. I have spent the last few years traveling the world, giving me the opportunity to experience different cultures, beliefs and practices. During my travels and over the years, I have had the pleasure of studying with many different teachers in the fields of Tantric Massage, Swedish Massage, Thai Massage, Lomi Lomi Massage, Yoga, Reiki, Aromatherapy, nutrition, and plant medicine therapy.

I enjoy dabbling in many different modalities. My clients find that my approach, although backed by traditional studies, tend to take on a unique approach. My views are that we should learn what we can but let intuition take a front seat. I use what I know but let my intuitive gifts and sinful desires take precedence where and when they can, making my services as unique as I am.


Source School of Tantra- CTE Level 1 Tantra Mastery Teacher in Training

Bondassage®-Certified Bondassage and Elysium Practitioner

The Universal Life- Ordained Minister & Physio/Spiritual Massage

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin podcast episode number 87 I am doing a Skype call with Tantra Craven who you can find at Raven Priestess. Calm and you’re going to be absolutely Blown Away by the topic of Today Show and what she has to offer and what we’re kind of brainstorming together we are going to lay out a lot of really powerful magical spellcraft here talking about Tantra Cravens path to sexual Mastery in the gifts that she has in a town she’s cultivated the skills and training she’s done what her vision is and how we are going to have a high-level co-creative Journey now that that some certain things have have come into alignment and now please steal the show Tantra Craven and tell us all about your beautiful life journey and visions and then we will go from there and adduction that was very flattering and I’m honored to be here in to be speaking with you so thank you for having me but yes I’ll just kind of go into a little bit about myself I’m not a huge fan of labels but me and I do kind of refer to myself as a dakini or Priestess or healer or an edge or what I just heard you say which I’m not going to steal from you is it’s entrepreneur I love that or I could just call myself the female version of Pancho Punk be like Pancho puntini or something but really what I like to refer to myself is an erotic artists and it’s this is kind of my Artistry this is my passionate this is my calling but in a nutshell what I do is I am a certified practitioner and trainer in the art of bondassage which was created by an amazing woman and dear friend of mine by facilitate tantric healing sessions I provide business coaching two other practitioners and I Coachman into sexual mastery and so just kind of a bit of where I came from in a bit of like my story so I grew up in a very that traditional typical American household I am Hispanic and my parents growing up with a lot of discrimination as kids really wanted me and my brother to have a very traditional American upbringing so going along with that comes with a lot of programming with what Society Norms look like and what a typical American life should look like so you know I was I was very program with that and it’s a child coming into adulthood I was really never very sexual and it really understand sex and I just kind of went through the motions I lost my virginity at 13 because like that’s what you’re supposed to do and I was very traumatised by the whole experience so I didn’t have sex again for years and then when I did I just egg and was never really that into it I never really had orgasms it tended to be painful to me and it just kind of left me feeling used and kind of regretful so but then I told her it was still it was a curious topic to me and I did wanted to understand and I wanted to learn more but I would I would listen to these interviews and I would read blogs from women who wear sex Advocate their sex Educators and they’d be amazing but they was kind of start off with ya I was very sexual from a young age and you know my mom would catch me masturbating or you know if you having sex all the time super into it and you know none of that really resonated with me and so I was like I don’t know maybe people just aren’t boring sexual and then like having these thoughts in my head that there was another voice that was like a stronger voice that was telling me that people people are born sexual and just as kind of spell of programming was kind of masking the real me so this is when plant medicine started to call to Main and over several years I spent time in Guatemala and Peru and Ecuador and I worked with amazing tommen’s and amazing people in general with Ayahuasca and San Pedro and don’t witches idmt snapped kind of similar to go pee I did tobacco and mushroom and like cannabis Journeys as well and through this work I really I really started should uncover the layers of the onion and realizing that pretty much everything I ever learned was wrong not only sexually but just in general in my life so I kind of afraid of myself now is like living in opposite land and anything that someone tells me which is traditional I can tell them how the opposite is probably a better option for him this is also kind of when I came into my nature and my true nature as a Healer or a Channeler or whatever you want to call it and everything in my in my life kind of started to make sense of why I’m like very sensitive to things that you know I’ve gone through a lot of health issues and issues with just kind of not feeling like I fit in here and might my Shaman would tell me like you’re he learned she would be like but don’t take that as like egotistical because really it’s not that kind of a thing because healers go through like a lot of pain and issues as a way to be able to empathically relate to other people and so then I also started I started really getting to Tantra at this time and it was one of the few things that really made sense to me is like okay this is this is what Sexual Energy and connection really looks like and this is this makes sense the other thing like I don’t really know how people buy into it cuz it really doesn’t make sense and sometimes I had Partners a lot of it was still experimenting like I just I really do a lot of weird chat when I’m alone but I wasn’t watching TV I wasn’t even reading I was just kind of journeying on my own and experimenting and I could really see how my self-love practices and my orgasms in general are just completely changing and I had so many different types of experiences I had like crying orgasms screaming orgasms full-body vibrational orgasms and read for the first time and it it it was amazing it can be referred to again upon world of squirting and any like tantrica will really will tell you that they hate when you call it skirting so it’s you know we refer to it as a memory. Which is kind of them were sacred to release some of that ejaculation and so yeah it’s you know it’s still a practice for me on a regular basis I don’t think it’s anything that I’ll ever be like hey I’ve got this I’m done because really we don’t we don’t know what our limit is like we don’t know how far we can take this energy exchange with ourselves and with others that the sky’s the limit and reaching different levels of consciousness are you know on top so that that’s the beautiful part is we get to keep experimenting we are so then never boring just keeps getting better and better if you can fight that led to a lot of very a series of very serendipitous events which led me to do. Kenny work and in the beginning it was it was a bit difficult because a lot of men don’t really think that they have anything to work on they think that they know what sex is and they’re doing a good job of it and you know that’s that’s all I need that they be like cool like I want to go to her some like hot girl and like that’s that’s why that’s why I going to see you and the least exalted edifying notion of sex right so it but but I knew that this was my calling and I knew that when I reached people I could change them so I was okay with the idea of going to advertisers is very like sexual person and they look at how hot I am and probably even know you know that’s not really me but so I would know that’s how my advertising goes and my view is once they coming to my door that’s my opportunity to shift them take it however they got there is fine but now they’re here and now I have the opportunity to to shift their views and there’s a certain there’s a certain degree of psychology that’s involved with Tantra and someone that has a have a psychology degree and I just in general been fascinated with how the human mind works is it just it baffles me sometimes of why people do the things they do so that part is very it was very thrilling to me like I just I’d be at tell me tell me what’s going on tell me why you’re here tell me what you want to work on and they would just open up to me and for some reason I’m I’m very easy to talk to and you know I get the line all the time of like I can’t believe I’m telling you that 7 so you know I would do these sessions of people and sometimes they wouldn’t even realize that I was doing Tantra with that might would just kind of be like essential experience and I would do energy work and I would work with someone breathing and you know changing their energy and what the potential is that they can get to really like arousal is a big part of what I do so I believe that a lot of times that something that’s very skimmed over with sex is that people aren’t being aroused and you could call it foreplay or whatever you want like a lot of people think I’m just going to play with your genitals and that’s for play but for me it’s this like it’s the seduction and like you don’t even have to touch somebody for an hour like in their genitals you can touch the rest of their body or very slowly kind of stroke over them play with different toys like all these things are an Art of Seduction That A lot of people aren’t really burst on but that’s that’s my specialty and that’s what I love so taking them on these very erotic sensual journey is it afterwards to like oh my God like what just happened what was that like I don’t even know where I am anymore and so then they would stay at then they’re curious like what was that and whatever you know like tell me whatever Kool-Aid you’re drinking like I want some so you know that’s that’s kind of where am I dirty went with that and the more I would talk to these men about what they’re dealing with sexualy the more I really like started to feel sorry for the male population and really understanding what they go through and you know a lot of it’s like oh poor women in like yes my sister’s go through a lot and I understand that and I are people that work with them like you do you know fighting for the women which is beautiful but seeing the men’s part of it was something I really hadn’t understand before it was kind of like all men are dogs and all I think about it publishing bad and Bubba blah but really it’s the more I talk to them it’s a lot of pressure for what a man goes through and you know they have to it becomes it a performance and performance doesn’t make enjoyment and so it’s it’s like you know I have to stay hard I have to get hard to find the G-Spot I feel after certain amount of time I did tell myself over and over again not to not to feel anything not to come not to get too aroused and all these things going to really cause a lot a lot of connection with somebody like imagine for women if I had to tell myself over and over again I don’t orgasm don’t work and then like if I did orgasm than the person that I was with to be great if you just went now my night is ruined like I what about me you know it’s it’s just something we don’t really think about but it’s something that’s an issue for that much so so now my main focus on my practice is to educate a man about his own Perfection and because there really is a god with an Everyman it’s just it’s buried under years of programming and they can come into the sexual Mastery is being a god it once they kind of remove that programming so this is this is my calling my purpose on this planet is to help men feel heal and reveal the god with it what a beautiful can you say that again because that is a beautiful tagline I can already speak stationary bumper stickers and it is my purpose on this planet to help men feel heal and reveal the God within beautiful if you want do you have more you wanted to share it in your other let’s say parallel but not necessarily is erotic business ventures and services in ICU on your the website configuration that I first discovered your work through is very diverse and far-reaching and nested services with a nested Services all under a very alchemical sort of cauldron you know so sensual website that kind of has just more of a success and my bondassage and and then I have my tantric website so again it’s kind of like this site cookie that I might come on come on and then I’ll be like hey like check out my website but I do bondassage which is a very big part of my practice and it is like it’s really just as erotic very erotic and it’s wet bondassage is is it is my clients are bound and days blindfold and headphones and the whole time I’m just kind of taking them through this body journey and a lot of people think it’s like very btsm related and I’m like okay I’m afraid of that but really I tell them it’s it’s not to meditation in a way it’s a way for you to get out of your head and took it into your body because that’s what a lot of people have issues with his they’re not present when they’re with a partner there like thinking about poor nor there like thinking about what their Partners thinking or feeling judged like what am I going to do next or you don’t, like all these things so it was this it’s like meditation like what you talked about all these things are wait for you to become president and Two Become One with your body so yeah we’re just kind of I play with different toys and allow them to feel different Sensations and anytime you have any sort of sensory deprivation it heightens everything else so every little touch is like amazing and their blindfolds they have no idea what I’m using either so then I get to it like play with different things like what in the hell was that and afterwards I’ll be like what did you think of these crazy things but yeah so that’s a very beautiful art form that can be erratic and kind of on the edge of BDSM but it’s it’s meant to be it’s meant to be spiritual as well and I tell people it’s a good kind of starter for even Tantra of just feeling what it’s to the lot of people that are used to doing sensual sessions they want to see and they want to kind of eye candy these girls and all the stuff and I I like to work with people when they blindfolded because it really allows me to get into my meditative State and to my kind of docking mode and I’ll just like zone out and just go for it but when I get in like when there’s no blindfold I’m kind of like I’m a performer in a way so yeah any sort of these sessions are really really amazing and part of my practice that I get to play with kind of both like different sides of myself well that’s so cool and I have a few you know couple things I want to while we’re on that subject say that on the podcast and lettuce in conversations with colleagues and peers throughout the sexual health Wellness ecosexuality Tantra BDSM Etc worlds and my feeling that the the filter that I want to put myself on with BDSM and kink really is this would I be happy for my children if I from you will be adoption co-parenting set your cuz I’m clip that a vasectomy but my sort of litmus test for the ethics of BDSM Kink practices is the is something like would I want my children to be doing whatever this is not that I’m obviously going to not be training them per se or you know there’s there’s a sacred initiation into the sexual Arts that we are going to have to reverse-engineer from so-called primitive societies that had it get out so that you weren’t being you know traumatizing or self-serving and that process which is what a lot of the really disturbing I would say Kinks about incest have turned into is a really we’ve lost our way into how to navigate pain sensory deprivation bondage all the forms all the various forms of what will be called ordeal in a logically would call it an ordeal to enter a trance state that could be a one-time initiation or it could be a festival you know on a cyclical rotation whatever it is there are these things were yearning for that are now considered fetishistic and kinky and involved in this baggage of patriarchal slave and master archetypes and Dungeons and Marquis De Sade and those are all for me those are memes that I want to eradicate and I want to extinct the memes of slavery on Earth I want to extinct that Meme and I don’t want and if I if I were in a communal tribal Neo tribal say permaculture sex-positive tantric sexual Utopia eco-village than I would ask for there to be council’s around what types of practices are are propagated in to the next Generations and I believe that in one generation if you don’t introduce the concept of Slavery to anybody alive in the Next Generation then it will go extinct so when I put that test on other people in the Kink world who are ecologically conscious permaculture a designer’s excetera excetera they have to kind of scratch your head and go you know what I don’t want to have this Shadow secret world where the adults do all this really harmful negative dangerous destructive and even you know I feel like I’m humbled by staph infection I’m humbled by all kinds of viruses and bacteria in nature and I don’t really want to just frivolously open the skin you know in these ways that our people do so I don’t want to I don’t want to alienate anybody but I wanted to say that I really appreciate what your approaches to this cuz I feel there is a very Primal you know it’s dangerous or it’s a I I hesitate to say natural but I will as soon as a primal natural instinctive desire to enter into states of sensory deprivation to have degrees of ordeal through bondage and true pain and for there to be a ritualistic transcendental ecstatic purpose for it was for that that’s actually not taboo and it’s not shameful and it’s not dark and it’s not evil and it’s not satanic and it’s none of the things that can can BDSM have fallen into as this post-christian reactionary trap so if we can upgrade and Shaman eyes and green the Kink world and the fetish world with these more holistic practices I think that’s a step in the right direction and I would be proud based on what you’re saying to say all right you know next Generation part of your becoming and then women and all and everything in between & Beyond is that you are going to have healthy array of interactions and experiments with different types of Sensations and that’s going to be applauded and celebrated you get to go into your TV and get get it on and experimenting Explorer with age appropriate you know developmental stage appropriate peers and it gets to be natural again and it doesn’t have to be this Shady freaky thing that that you know we’re trying to get away from so I don’t know what do you have some other questions for you before I give them to you want it kind of share your thoughts and Reflections and what I just said and if that resonates with you and your shamanic training and whatnot definitely yeah the whole BTS world it was like a really weird thing for me to navigate and I’m always like a try everything once kind of girl so yeah I can’t really say much to it if I haven’t tried it right so yeah I did some code on work for a while and I was just I was really bad at it because I was like I don’t I don’t want to shame this person I don’t want to be like psychologically traumatizing then like when people leave me I want them to feel empowered and ain’t no motivated to to go on to this amazing conscious path and when they would leave I would be like Halo my god did I just like totally traumatized them and I feel kind of traumatized and have a lot of dear friends that do Dom work and they’re amazing at it and it’s totally they’re saying that and it’s it’s Market that someone needs to do it so great but it’s not for everybody if it wasn’t for me but I did like the whole aspect of the sensory body play because they got him a very I’m just obsessed with bodies and I love the fact that there’s so many different erogenous zones and so many things to play with and said this really gave me bondassage really gave me the outlet that I needed to kind of play with my darker side instead of just being this like sensual spiritual person this is kind of like Mike more shadowy side so I get to play with that but in like a essential like fun experimental way for me where again it’s about teaching this person how to let go and that’s one thing that we as humans have a very hard time of doing is Letting Go even like being a receiver a lot of people like but then when they when they go into it they have a hard time like do I get back like do I mean I already stated expected of me and so letting go and just trusting that this other person has you especially when you go to the bondage aspect of it is this complete surrender or which is a beautiful trusting thing that again a lot of people have problems with so when they can learn to do these things it really opens them up to the idea that you really you really don’t have to have that much control and when you let go of it and trust that like the universe has you or this person has you your lover has you it’s very beautiful and so yeah it’s the whole BDSM thing is it’s out there it’s probably not going to go away because we’ve been so repressed for so long that it’s like I got to like let it all out and I try everything you know he’s crazy things but that’s that world and it’s it’s not for everybody and I don’t I try not to judge people but it’s just not really in my in my life thank you thank you for sharing that. I’ll stay to the yeah it’s not my it’s not my mission in life to go on a crusade to shut down dungeons or anything like that you know but I would I did it interview with the shamanatrix Kristin Boyer and we talked a lot about after care and transportation and the potential to be from a design perspective have there be more of it after care chamber of sanctuary that’s you know you got the dungeon so now have the healing Crystal Spa or whatever before you go back out into the Matrix do you want to talk about now some of your let’s call it green industry entrepreneurialism if it’s it’s in another sector I don’t know if you want to share that or not but I love to hear by with you with you what type of thing were you referring to just the Cannabis all of the Cannabis sounds manorial stuff that’s on the table to the Cannabis World here in Denver and you stood to some growing with my partner and I worked for several cannabis companies I used to do event marketing with a cannabis company and we had a code shared work space for new cannabis startups and then I started doing graphic design specifically for cannabis companies in for a while I did cannabis Journeys with people but it can be really hard to navigate that not only for legal reasons but also like it once you take somebody so deep into that Subspace and into you know you’re going there going into a different higher realm and with the use of cannabis plus the their otic energy and all the stuff that happens it it can really take them out of their body out of this world and then you’re like 2 hours later okay you got to go home like 5 and it’s like it’s really not it’s not conducive to send somebody out into the world once you’ve just like you know took them somewhere else so so I can tell them kind of how they can do different cannabis meditations with themselves and I continue to use cannabis as a major healing teacher for me and I can you know I’ve done Ayahuasca so many times that I can I can go into that Ayahuasca space with cannabis because once you do Ayahuasca like the spirit of Ayahuasca is always with you you just like can call on her so I can I can really go deep into some really deep spaces but yeah it’s just a huge advocate for that I work with a couple so I don’t do anything sort of paid now with cannabis time I try to just I have a lot of friends in that world so I try to do some counseling with marketing stuff for them to stop because it’s it’s a passion for me I love the way you said that counseling for marketing it is it is sort of a I like to think about how perfect that is like you don’t need coaching you need counseling because yeah it’s a different world these days and you know part of what I do a big part of it is marketing and so I also coach other women that do the same thing that I do is a way of you know you’re creating a brand for yourself like who are you or who do you want them to see you as and how are we going to create that brand for you actually doing is we’re going to we’re going to figure out how to split yourself into multiple personalities but then develop a meta-narrative concept that’s called a brand so that you can tuck all of your multiple personalities i e web presence is on infant platforms that we’re going to advise you to prune off the ones that dying and stick with the ones that you know we’re going to last hopefully and well it’s schizophrenia is fine I don’t know if you really have to ground yourself in this work and you really have to again be strong about who you are and what you’re presenting and you know I work for a while I was just whatever somebody wanted that’s what they were going to get and now it’s like and I’ve I’ve done it long enough that I can I can be very specific about who I am and what I’m going to do and if you don’t like that like go somewhere else cuz I’m really not hurting people so I can be very choosy of this is who I am this is what you’re going to get and if you want to request something else I can refer you to somebody who provide that for you because I’m just not going to go there I’m only going to do what I want to do and that’s what makes what I do awesome because everyone will tell me like you really tell you like what you do and you’re into it and I’m like yeah cuz I’m a very authentic person and I don’t like to fake it so I won’t anymore I’m like you know what I’m what I’m feeling that’s what you’re going to get and I’m in the mood for this so that’s what you’re going to get in your going to like it. Going to try to do the exact quote but the pair of phrases that he’s basically don’t try to hold me accountable to something I said in the past because that past no longer exists and whatever I’m saying right now is what’s true to me right now so don’t expect me to be consistent and that’s one of the most liberating Osho quotes or you don’t know who is Notions that I that is, like how many other times in life have you ever heard that it’s okay to be your true self Moment by moment and let you know yeah I left that because if we’re not changing we’re not growing and I have to constantly trying to grow up I mean it again that’s the perfect cuz in a month I’ll be like why did I say that but it’s okay because I I know that I wear all work in progress and I don’t claim to be some perfect person in that I just claim to be myself and people seem to like it so I got with that I’d like to know more kind of about you and I and our alchemical journey and where that began so yeah do you want to tell tell the listeners and share the story of how you encountered and found me and and you know what what led to this point and what we have planned I can tell them all day long to stop watching porn but if there’s not an alternative for them it’s difficult like you know if someone’s going on a diet you’re like instead of eating this Eat This and like you replace that and with planets like I don’t even know where to send you sound like doing research on in a different country videos are different things that I can give them different juicy bits that will help them in their journey and I came across your YouTube video that I had found that video and I was like awesome was just kind of Blown Away by and and honestly I don’t know if I told you this but I was really high when I saw that and I really connected with me like you do when your head is like super deep level I did the whole like self lender meditation with you like it was exactly like as long as you are and I could feel like every you were talking about Kundalini rising and like opening up your chakras and moving the energy up and like you did the whole thing to where it was like woah I like had this is amazing I mind-blowing orgasm and and I cuz like I have to like know about this guy what it who is he and what is he doing and so is that I like cyberstalk to you but and I had written you I’d written you on Instagram and I was like it just kind of want to throw this out there that what you’re doing is awesome and kudos to you and keep it up and then ever since then we just kind of been chatting and is he has some things haven’t really aligned and now it’s kind of everything’s kind of coming into alignment in this beautiful new year that were experiencing it and yeah if you want to come and reduced what were thinking or whatever for this new exciting stuff yeah so I said I’m just saying you could you can you hear my grandma right now so fucking loud you know you never know I was just watching the Stanley Kubrick biography and and I’m what is so much to say about him and that and everything but I’m I’m going to save it but I’m going to say that you know what I think it was one of his family members said that just a general kind of art philosophy kind of thing about how a few create if you produce a creative work you don’t know what it’s going to do in the world in Psych it if he used to render it and it becomes in the domain of the beholder and you it’s a complete project if it’s done it’s edited it’s finalized it’s out there you know you don’t know so I’m just with that said I wanted to give a little homage to the beauty that we’ve it that’s what brought us together so you never know what’s going to happen when you a Jo Vida solo Jo David on internet what we are sort of coming up with now having discovered each other’s work and oh I got to say that you know there is worse things in the world than having tantric Raven send you a video of herself like strip dancing to running tracks you know comparing who I have been trying to I’ve been trying to engineer you you know I mean from from like you know people who were just not having the calling so it’s a real it’s a really sweet difficult so you know I felt like why why would I ever want to work with somebody who’s not a fan of what I’m doing already you know if they’re not a fan I say then I’m literally paying for every second on the clock down to the 15 minutes or whatever it is and they’re kind of just I like watching and you know they’re not invested in there certainly not going to over deliver under not going to under-promise and over-deliver unless that your fan and then they’re going to be like wow I want to be a part of something that I love because I’m connected with it and in you know so that it’s so beautiful and I can’t thank you enough that that’s what I really want I really want to share and really be heard and appreciated and worshiped and an inn you know not have it be because I’m paying somebody to fix something and to make me look good just because they look good and they’ve got more fans than to cynical you know things so thank you thank you thank you so F what we’re accomplishing on this planet and what we want to accomplish and I too have been looking for somebody like very similar to you and that you’ve got this very busy Wasabi intellectual part to you but also this very spiritual part in it can it can be difficult to find those two together and I could I could very much put on my business hat and kind of you know home in on that and I can also take that off and just like spiritually mind out and I feel like you’re very similar in that way and yes so it’s it was it was great finding you and feeling the similarities that we have in common we’re both passionate about making really high-quality really highly reputable content and we’re ready to start to make films together and bring our best skills and training we have been Romancing the idea of making a variety of different types of video content ranging from music videos to instructional kind of nuts and bolts how to videos I don’t know when exactly this will happen but it is an intention to for us to just jam with the cameras and the process of getting to know each other and experiencing each other literally inside and out and Beyond is something that I want to document and share with the world and really hopefully over time be able to make a a really entertaining film product out of our mutual studies and expirations and an hour meteoric rise to success which I feel like we’ve already accomplished so much in our own lives and so when I close the circuit with somebody with the explicit intention of performing sex magic it’s a powerful you no experience to to behold and I want everybody on Earth since this is not the Dark Ages anymore and we don’t have to ape the Victorian era with you know the forms of Kink we’re practicing we can actually become gods and goddesses living in human flesh and co-created manifest and first and foremost repair the planet and you know along the way of repairing a planet we can build beautiful temples and palaces to live in beautiful villages in really figure out how to equitably share a lot of ecologically sustainable wealth capital resources excetera all in service to the Divine and to the into Gaia and I’ll say I want to call it dark green magic is what I want to do on a film with you and sort of jam with your magical alchemical sexual Mastery practices and see what comes out of it and and now with these DSLR cameras and there’s just really no excuse I mean really we can produce content that’s that can compete with really anything else that’s out there and totally in the spirit of punk rock DIY no rules except for the ones that we make and I’m not selling out and not you know really and really being strategic about licensing and finding the right partnership so I’ve been doing a lot of that work I’ve been kind of priming you know this opportunity and for it to be you and not somebody who I’m chasing around who would rather be snorting coke or rather be you know just trying to climb the social pyramid for Eagle reasons or whatever this is like such a gift so that’s my side of the intention setting for our forthcoming creative adventures and do you want no balance that out with all of your hopes and dreams for what you would do with me if you could have your way with me is it gets just kind of the send a message it’s 2 to wake people up and it would I do is great in that I touch people but I only touch one person at a time and you know that can cycle out but with technology these days the fact that we could make a video that kid could touch thousands of people and could really open their mind to again I’m just kind of an anarchist where I whatever it’s society’s telling us I just kind of don’t agree with it and I want people to know that there’s other options and that maybe what we’ve learned is not Traxxas and this to me is like this is why I’m here I very feel like I have a purpose on this planet because I’ve gone against a lot of things and it’s always just gotten horrific Lee and since I’ve been following this path it’s just everything flows like very freely to me and so whatever kind of comes in my path on yep I guess this is what I’m supposed to do it’s like not really a choice it’s like okay well this is this has been presented to me and the universe has given me this opportunity so so let’s do it like this part of my past so you kind of presented this to me and I was like okay well I guess I’m supposed to do this now and like that’s fine but what I do is very much for the purpose of the mission that I want and the impact that I want to live on this planet and like you said it’s not it’s not for this notoriety or for fame like I’m really not interested in this life being famous for being rich are all these things I’m a very outgoing person but deep down I’m like a total hermit so to impact others and the mission that another thing of doing this type of work with somebody that has a very strong background in this and you know a very big role in this world is like with you to not get away from also the idea of that point is just basically a female role and that the men are just kind of accessories in porn and you know for me this is again something that’s we have these roles of female and male and with the whole gender-bending thing I feel like eventually all of those rolls are just going to be gone which is a beautiful thing because men can flip flop and women can flip flop in these walls don’t have to be set in stone and like you think of a strip club in its its women its women dancing and you know it’s beautiful and sexy and hot and then you think I like a male strip club and it’s like I like you man and like I’m going to go there for my bachelorette party and it’s just kind of like comical and you know we’re not really getting turned on and for me that way that was a trauma of something that I learned in one of my medications is that during sex I had my eyes closed cuz like you know we’re taught that men’s bodies aren’t that great so why am I even looking and then why I began to open my eyes it was like men’s bodies are beautiful and Cox are fucking amazing and this idea that it’s like the one-eyed monster is like that’s wrong like we should be you know that’s part of my job is like worship the man and his they’re beautiful and their bodies are beautiful in their cocks are beautiful and to show that has like a very important role in what we’re doing it so that women can be like wow like his body is great and his lingam is amazing and to kind of shift that it’s okay for a woman to be a horn. Too and to look at a man and be like damn like that guy and look at your man and be like you look you look amazing I just want to rip your clothes off right now and that’s empowering for women to not just expect compliments for their from their man to put together them as well and so to shift his Paradigm of corn of that a man’s role is just as important as a woman’s role and we’re not just looking at pussy the whole time we’re like concentrating on both what’s coming to you as their dicks and strategies in an in ways to kind of bring overhaul entrepreneurialism Sexy Money whatever if she want yeah I mean I’ve been I’ve been an entrepreneur or just probably all my life you know for my first lemonade stand to my first business at the age of 20 is 22 and you know I’m pretty much unhireable at this point because I can’t have a boss I can’t I cannot work for anyone else I cannot have someone tell me when to come into work or how to do something or I’ve just I’ve always been in a gainst authority figures I’m sorry bad with authority figures my you can’t tell me what to do I can do this job better than all of you but and so yeah just very much like always kind of work for myself and even my first business was a bridal store it was a consignment bridal store working on going green and renewing and reusing but yeah, I had a business partner and I kind of just ended up doing everything because nobody could do it as good as me that was kind of my my attitude but it became very stressful because and I didn’t really allow anybody to help me because they would just mess it up I have to redo it anyways so yeah I got I got very sick during that time because I like as someone that’s it’s hard to be a Healer and an entrepreneur at the same time because the being a Healer is means that you’re very sensitive and it means that you know you have to have a lot of time to yourself and you have to have a lot of like retard time and meditation time and slow time and so when your business person is like go go go all the time and I got my house went down a lot and I ended up selling it because it was just it was too stressful for me the time until I really kind of come into myself especially from plant Medicine of learning what Letting Go actually means and realizing that you know what we’d like to think that we all have so much control of our lives but realizing that maybe we really don’t have that much control and that if I’m following my path and I’m working in love then good things are going to come to me and I’m going to be put on the right path of what I need to be doing and again it can unfold and whatever way it needs to and there’s no like it has to be done now or super stressful things and that’s what I love about what I do now is I set it up so that I can and I work on a day-to-day basis I literally don’t schedule ahead anymore it’s like you know I put out a thing if I’m working today I’m taking session and then I’ll get responses from that day and that’s that I’d I wrote a Blog on it that’s so cuz I want to go to bed and not really know what I’m not really know what tomorrow is going to bring I work very hard at trying to say present moment now so when I have ideas about new businesses it’s like cool these are ideas and I’m going to hang on to this but I don’t ever really have like super long-term and goals anymore because I know that if I do one thing at a time and kind of one foot in front of the other. I’m going to get there and worrying about the future just causes stress for people so try to encourage everybody like my big thing is to stay in the present moment so I have to live that are for my license so business things really excite me but I can’t get like two excited cuz then it like trains and anxiety and then that turns in this fast so yeah everything about this type of business is interesting and exciting for me yeah it’s just I have for me at one step at a time and one little project and see where that goes and then see where that goes and see where that goes and it it leads to amazing great things I’ve seen it and I know it to be true for myself so there’s really like no stress or worry for me like I just know it’s going to work out very important business Concepts really leverage you know leveraging content there’s never been I don’t I mean I believe making pornographic internet distributable content is probably the most leveraged position you could ever be in because something that you love to do that you’re going to do anyway touch your genitals or interact with other people’s genitals to be able to get paid to do the most sustainable thing and also to not have a boss like you said I mean from that’s there so many revenue streams that Liberate the performer producer to have to take all of the all of the sharks in the industry that used to just rip off and literally rape female performers to to to be able to have them all working for you as the diva or the David the diva or interchangeable terms but that’s the that’s the landscape that we’re walking into reminds me that Pet Shop Boys song opportunity you know there is a lot of opportunity in this legal space and and with with good graphic design and videography and post-production and cameras and Lighting in action really this guy is absolutely the limit and I think we’re going to be able to bridge a lot of gaps and open new markets and really hopefully yes set set a higher standard when I just talked to Lawrence lanoff and we did the the last of the most recent episode which was how Township porn can save the world which is you know this is now a very I did that mean the most dreamy follow-up to that conversation but something that he said was that he’s like dude we’re trying to jump over a bar that’s two inches off the ground and it’s so weird on a no deadlines no pressure no stress fun adventurous sort of opportunity to show them what we got and step up you know so that’s where I don’t like to throw in there to like something you kind of touched on but like for my clients and for my family whose is very supportive of what I do just to throw out there that like it hasn’t been like my dream in life to be a pornstar and I don’t consider this to be that you know this is something that I think both of you and I are in agreement of this is like and I don’t want something that’s years from now I’m going to be like oh my God what was I thinking it but I feel like deep down when I really examine my motivation for this and what is this would look like in my future is that this is something that I’d still like would be very proud of and something that if I had children which like probably not really planning on doing that but if I did like I’d still be okay with ya like you found that cool yeah I did that and it’s beautiful and I hope there’s more videos at that point where I could be like this is let’s let’s talk about what sex is and this is is it something beautiful that you could watch because the education system is just not there and that’s what I think both you and I are trying to change and shift is that the education around sex to younger Generations like needs to change it if it needs to be there because we’re not teaching them about sex we’re teaching them about Kink and BDSM important all these things and real love connected sex is it’s not there so it took to be kind of the frontier line of opening that up is I think kind of what this mission is is leading towards right I love you that was the yeah I said they always know that there’s so much more than the fragile ego that feels like it’s you know like it’s naked in the freezing cold with nut what you know it’s like just to hear that feels like someone just put a blanket on you and your walking in the Arctic something is like it shouldn’t really be that scares of a word to have to only share you know it said you know high stakes containers so you could say will you know who don’t you love well you’re right but I’m professing it to you and I love us and I love everyone and you know yes yes love is us so do you have anything else to say sad to miss I definitely took my liberties so mouthy close close the ceremony. Opportunity with me and I know that it’s it’s been kind of this on enough discussion of ways that we could collaborate and it’s it’s hasn’t really been there until now and again I take this is really coming together in this most perfect way and if we would have had something earlier it might not really have worked out but it’s this is yeah this is time this is I’m ready and let’s let’s do this let’s work together and let’s let’s just things it for the greater the greater Society in the greater man and woman awesome alright so everyone meet touch with Raven and Tantra Punk and join us for our adventures moving forward and there will be lots of exciting press releases coming out soon and so enjoy Namaste thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to see me a podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Township Park. 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