This is a unique episode wherein I invited one of my main tantric mentors to help me process after several days at the XBiz adult industry trade show. Over the course of the last year I’ve been immersing myself in the adult entertainment industry in order to understand how best to bring the tantric and shamanic sexual healing arts into the light and in front of the lens.
I’ve been artistically and spiritually successful and with the research, development, and due diligence I’ve done, I’m hoping that with the right help, I will also be financially successful and thus be empowered to incite and accelerate a higher level of consciousness in porn.
Lawrence very graciously holds space for me to share what I’ve discovered and helps to inform, guide and direct my visions with his knowledge and wisdom as both a tantra master and veteran Playboy director and producer.
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Com and our journey together will begin welcome to podcast episode number 86 this is a discussion with Lawrence lanoff and before I get into our dialogue and introduction I’m just want to preface a bit by saying that some of you listen to have been following for a while now kind of can grasp this evolution of my foray into the modern adult entertainment industry and the sort of mission that I’ve been on too kind of understand the industry and build alliances and really try to find partner is to develop a tantric in shamanic Niche within the industry and it’s been it’s been a really exciting journey and I’ve learned so much really over the last year of deep conversion into M into all this in so the kind of the Milestone or Pinnacle that’s far was going to this Expedition show the one of the main you know International adult industry trade shows where they had a track of sessions with panels and workshops and speakers and presenters and I just really was blessed to him I have a really positive interaction with a lot of people in and do a lot of people who I had only known them by but say a logo or a brand or something and I got to really connect with them and just get into that that humanists behind the scenes really everyone you know I’m trying to make a living and you know that all of the Shadow and the dark side stuff that I’m really passionate about transforming it’s it’s it’s interesting that there’s a lot of fun of interest in what what could be the next level of extreme or what could be you know not how can you take the sentiment of being anti porn and turn it into positive uplifting spiritual porn instead of fighting all of what you disagree with it’s like if you can’t beat them join them and I’m really feeling that there is a a Synergy in a Harmony and a deep level core level in the benevolent humanness Underneath It All under the sheets and Vine the cameras and whatever level of Consciousness I feel they could be pushed forward or towards Transcendence or whatever kind of you know elitist sometimes a posturing that spiritual people can take towards quote non-spiritual people or materialistic people or lower chakra people or whatever it is you know it’s just that there’s a very endearing quality to a lot of people in that in the industry that I got to you know connect with and even people who like I said me on doing things that I really don’t resonate with just looking into their eyes and seeing their there’s a sweetness and there’s really even in that you know within these an industry professionals they look at the people who are doing really really dishonorable things and just sort of stayed there is there is an exclusive nusenda shining that happens internally I guess since so there’s that was hopeful for me to see okay yeah there is some discretion and what the lawyers were saying and what the most successful producers of singing that people already know taking risks and enter pretty much Outlaws to do any of this even though there is some constitutional protection in some places in jurisdictions effect is everybody is it some it some there many links in the chain of adult in of adult production involves being an outlaw so there’s a camaraderie in this an honor among Thieves kind of you know Vibe and and people so the people kind of have each other’s backs and the Trade Organization the Free Speech Coalition it starts out there you know fighting against all of these oppressive Andra cursive forces and trying to sort of carve out the space for sexual expression as an art form and you know all of the queer porn all the feminist porn has these Elders to think who who you know broke that taboo by making adult content and not all of it was I mean most of it has been historically to serve the market of the male gaze but we’re now able and away thanks to that you know work that they have done able to open the space for new discourse and there’s a sort of yeah there’s a Lineage 2 to really understand so it’s it’s a deep and complex issue is certainly not at all simplistic from any angle and I really kind of just wanted before getting into this very very passionate discourse with Lawrence just say that you know that the resounding conclusion from this industry of activists Free Speech Outlaws of porn production and distribution and sales and marketing and Performing everything it’s like make stuff that make content that you’re proud of and that you’re willing to fight for it cuz there’s no matter what you’re doing there is somebody out there who is going to make it their mission and purpose in life to try to take you down for whatever reason it’s to empowering to women it’s not enough parent it’s not empowering enough to women and it’s obvious where I stand on that is you know operating under the the label of feminist you know there is but the even that is is complex so not everybody has the same definition of feminism certainly not telling his porn but what it comes down to it the end of the day everybody there they’re going to fight for each other in court in in the public space in the media you know on the red carpets of the porn Awards they will all have each other’s backs and fight for each other as long as you know able to defend and be proud of their content and I’m certainly you know I’m I’m I’m attempting to make content that is going to really be inclusive and increase that the proudness factor going into sectors that before have been extremely hard to warm up to any of this and you know for example making something you know making content that’s the parents and religious leaders will undeniably feel is wholesome and Redemptive and actually instructive and perhaps you know in absolutely in line with the spirit of the or the essence of the scriptures that are attempting to provide guidance for us about how to avoid the the Peril of unconscious unloving disconnected fornication or sexual activity that is is potentially can be can be potentially contaminated by extra-dimensional beings some people call him demon some people call him astral parasites some people call him you know bad spirits or whatever but the a point is on a scientific medical immunological epidemiological parasitological level of science however you mythologize about it sacred sexuality is a technology and it is what every religion is essentially groping for and some of them are more or less in the dark about it or in the Dark Ages about it and you know what I hope to be bringing as far as bringing the light it’s bringing the Psychedelic shamanic lens to sexual conduct and if that can be you know embraced by the religious right by the porn industry by other porn performers themselves and the producers then I think the world will Keith better place and I will certainly be proud to be a part of that shamanic porn Revolution so with that said we’ll get more into the sort of nuts and bolts with Lawrence about the industry and the state of our sexual Liberation and empowerment and healing and he’s certainly the man when it comes to all the stuff I bow down and I am everything I say and do I consider to be you no dancing on the backs of giants such as himself and another man for those who have had on the show so please enjoy it thank you for bearing with that introduction and also just know that I get pretty passionate at times so I take the lead on a lot of fun the issues and I’m passionate about and then again I’m I’m just saying in advance a big thanks to Lawrence for holding space for me to be this younger Buck who’s kind of you know ready to take all this on and in seeking his his wisdom and advisement as a veteran of the industry so yeah thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy it I am here with Lawrence lanoff what I who I considered to be the Obi-Wan Kenobi of Tantra my one of my esteem spiritual mentors and somebody I truly deeply look up to as an older brother in this path and we’re we’re going to catch up a bit from the last time where we did a declaration of sexual human rights assertive Treatise on what we’re up against and how to unfuck your mind and yeah and so yeah you want to talk a bit about where you what you been up to over the last year I continue this journey of on fucking your mind honestly cuz I just feel like it’s probably one of the most important things that we can do for ourselves it is especially you know especially in this day in age like it’s just such an important thing in there so many things that call at our attention so I’ve continued to be offering Alternatives because I understand for some people you know some people like mindfuckery and maybe they think like I was talking with that young woman at the farmers market and she was telling me you know I’m doing this training and I’m really excited about it and I know I can handle myself and you know kind of all these things that come a kind of bravado that comes from not really understanding how treacherous the territory actually is it’s kind of like a you know anyway ignorance is bliss so what I would have been doing is continuing to give people alternative ways of looking at things I’m thinking about things so that they can more deeply unfuck their mind and in fact I have a on that note I have a woman’s Tantra training coming up in Sedona and that you know. Is to help women unfuck their minds there for their bodies and the same you know the same is true with the guys have been working with them some of these projects so here we are you know year later I feel like it’s needed more than ever because there’s a lot of mindfuckery out there so that’s where I’m at an absolutely I’ve been following the podcast and it’s one gym after the next end yes seriously good stuff I mean I thought I had balls with what I was getting into topic Weiss and you put me to shame so I’ve about yeah well you first meet me there you go so I’m glad you said yes and amazing voices out there and yeah the kind of the context that we that we started that was my my profound interest in the work you had done with the red hot touch and the bringing conscious erotica training into the realm of adult entertainment which you have that solid background in with Playboy directing and producing in your own array of projects and that intrigued me when I first heard about you on the Laurie handlers podcast and thought it was so amazing that there’s this attempt to or an opportunity to bridge the gap between sacred sexuality practitioners and instructors and and temples and all of that Network and actually since not a lot of them seem like they’re really willing to become porn performers per se or adult performers there is opportunity to just straight-up hire established performers who have all their fans and actually sort of gracefully approach that whole world and bring the beauty of the experience which speaks for itself out and Doctor Nation or ideology or you know I’m a crusade but more of just an offering and an invitation and since you had done that and I discovered that work and I wanted to connect with you we’ve talked it Avian and it sort of seated some ideas and then I’ve been pretty much since then been on a mission to hack the porn industry and figure out how to figure out really like do Dylan due diligence as I’m I’m going to be investing my body I’m going to be risking my health investing money and all these things that if you were you know working with the A-Team Angel Investors they would expect you to have a business plan and and do your due diligence and so what I’ve come back come back to you after a year of deep study and an immersion is a lot of insight that I kind of want to share with you and get some feedback on and sort of talked about a bigger picture potential to really navigate some of the madness that is the current state of the porn industry from the laws to the performers to the etiquette and the the hierarchy and the politics and figure out what the opportunity really is because I know there’s people with money out there I know that you are a world-class producer and I dunno establishing myself to be a performer and there’s nothing but mind fucked or poorly fucked or both women out there in that world and and men to sew and everything in between soaps before I kind of gives like a a briefing here to the to the conversation where is your heart at now with all this and you know the whole Enterprise is pouring virtual reality these Innovations and we know where how do you see yourself in this in this evolving discourse and technological platform and media platform I you know I am so I mean it sounds silly to say but I am so Pro technology on so many levels I I see technology as an extension of human consciousness in a sense and that Consciousness can be kind of you know very pedestrian or it can be a kind of exalted Consciousness if you will like something that maybe I guess I would call it like the difference between technology that focuses on you know making your life one way or another more painful or technology that focuses your life energy and force on making your life better qualitatively and I feel like all these technologies have that potential they have the potential to really qualitatively created different life for people and when you have you know when you’re in a situation where the culture we grow up and is so messed up around 6 to begin with and then because we don’t talk about it it ends up the default teachers end up being the porn industry itself which is a little bit of like the snake eating its own tail and then they you know than anything else all these kinds of generalizations and stereotypes that people end up learning so where that leaves us is technology that has massive potential but ends up getting utilized by kind of the lowest common denominator and there’s like a pandering to that that’s like it you know you’ve you offer that to people and they like it so you make more of that content so they liked it more until there is he’s weird paradoxes where you know this question of what which comes first is it the chicken or the egg well that’s actually a trick question because she comes first but the butt but I feel like that’s you know that’s where I am on this I mean you have these incredible breakthroughs you have a limited sex education and for many people Limited sexual access so how do you navigate that territory with the tools that we have and I feel like that’s that’s kind of the precipice tree stand near the edge of in this discussion right absolutely me that’s a good a Segway for for me to give you this update about what you know really is the future of all this stuff based on the top industry you know innovators and and a sort of yeah they’re breaking a lot of ground with 3D and VR and now really the what is looking like it’s going to be the the the next next level is this sort of reactive gel-like substance that is sort of intelligent dues that’s not really slimy but just kind of encapsulated in some kind of skin like sort of container service or like a I mean I guess if you imagine if you filled a plastic bag with Jello and made it intelligent through some sort of now know something then it could actually respond and conform and because you know I like the Terminator 2 like liquid metal but it would be something soft and Squishy and phuckable and squeezable that would squeeze you back and it would be dynamic in this virtual reality world so you would be you know having your virtual reality sex that’s feeding your eye sockets and then the dynamic interplay of whatever your whatever it however the system reads your movements and you were accusing your eye movements and we’re not you’re going to have this this fuck quad make bean bag Attack of the Killer sexy beanbag experience that’s going to just be no blow your mind and you know they’ve got the dolls and robots but then you’re looking at a dollar a robot but if you’re looking at your favorite pornstar and this this you know fuck bag thing is is is taken care of you then I guess that’s really where it’s all headed and and it’s again I’m I’m with you on on being you know as much as I’d like us to go back to you know the the the most Primal way of being on Earth it’s not likely it’s going to happen it’s more likely that if you protest technology you’re just going to be left behind and be unheard and irrelevant not even have a voice so you kind of have to yeah be involved in some way and even if it’s to subvert it or you know there was a sort of a group discussion I had when I asked at one of the panels it was like women women porn and it was the top kind of execs and entrepreneurs and just a whole panel of of really that the women in porn who were going to not let you tell that tell them that they’re being exploited do you know they’re going to tell you that they’re killing it and you know it’s none of your business so you know they had a question answer section I got it from you said you know who is anybody I mean I’m looking for I like to know if there is a a secret class of already trained country cozort dakinis who have found their way into pornstar dim or four star or being starlets in the point in history who who I don’t know about who they might know about you-know-who so and so she’s a total knee whatever I’m like we should talk cuz this is what my my you know vision is into didn’t really find didn’t really get any any answer about who that might be or if there are people like that but just having spoken the word Tantra in that space it it did Drew a few people out of the crowd afterwards and we had a like Mastermind conversation about know what we can bring to this and I was pleased that there were other likes very well trained you know seasoned veteran Township people there and we were just yet actually having this Jam conversation about you know toys versus shift in Consciousness to facilitate more group sexual activity and sacred containers and what the it’s funny cuz there’s people who go from being total communal Visionaries are like I want to live in a I want to live in a group you know social atmosphere where is communal and we all male do each other’s dishes and it’s going to be Utopia and it’s going to be a tribe and then they have a few months of that and it’s like dish CSI every day and that’s the Achilles heel of every to go over really switch and then they they pendulum all the way back into like I’m never doing that again I’m going to my apartment so it’s like this dichotomy between mediated sex toys and robots and virtual reality aloneness and physical separation and and the Peril of that versus the Peril of but but getting my needs met in a relationship or in a group of poly people or toxic people is so filled with Peril as well there’s really no you can’t just offer the the you know what I like to see is like a you know what these these toys and these programs in this software is is obsolete because people actually touching each other lovingly and connecting and fucking each other’s brains out more than any other activity you know of besides gardening and sleeping and that’s you know where we go but that’s there’s this I guess tension between all that so where do you see the sort of Continuum between virtual and dharmic opportunity to step up you know the way that you guys did you know back in the day so I just want to bow down deeply and in just feel this moment I feel like what you going to work that you did could really be embraced by let’s say the top pornstars in the world we know they just have to have a one experience of being shocked if I’d you know doesn’t have to be the most extreme Kundalini activation that’s ever happened but just that feeling of there being something loving comforting nurturing that’s beyond you and your mind and your partner and that dissolution into the Divine that’s what we’re talking about that people have just not had the the training to experience so let me add into that that Christopher who built the first Temple Hills and made the video and audio Studio the idea behind not in the idea that we shared and came together around was that you can prove to you that the media confer the equivalent of shop Peapod and that is the interest in really being able to use the media to the new Consciousness God is consciousness is totally imbued with experience it’s what you feel you have to feel it through your being condescending a level and I’m certain EU I’m sure you’re not a practitioner of country with understand that you know what is being built a try to be accessed through the practices it’s the practice he that show off because one can actually manifest and transmit that that energy way that this wave which is the sublime Phoenix but is that the blitz of the gods and goddesses that they are all in this Union space of a blessed and the nectar of that you needed to shower and down and when you can create that wave and I believe that way if it is a transferable energy field which if it’s really establish that can be communicated and transmitted to other people through the media for the sound and light and vibration frequency office amazing gift because that is touching the stars and that to me is in a day it’s been able to tune into that multidimensional nature of the staff and to then tune all that you are all the eats a dune feel to those principles of you know Divine connection and connection Inc you know see the other as yourself understand that they think I’m depending the, that comes back to you so if you just understand that going to happen and all you’re going to want to do is put out the best of all that you can be and how do you be your best you be your best by June in your energy vehicle that you are understanding that all this solid stuff isn’t just solid energy fields and that you are the master or Mistress of this Divine machine that you can gift and that it’s your duty as an awakened being to use everything that’s one of the things in country you use everything rather than refuse or deny everything is money for the other spiritual part of chosen to dissociate in order to be able to develop spiritual nectar but time to use all of it if I do the Alchemy does the Alchemy of all that with pure gold by and my sense of it just touching everything with the heart with the vibration and that’s goddess and the time you know either as a device if you like can be used for for power or it can be used for love and another goddess is all love because that is the only eligible because yeah that was the most Exquisite beautiful Treatise on Tantra that I feel like I’ve ever heard and well it’s a it’s spellbinding and I feel that I just blessed blessed to hear these these words be spoken and by you and and I’m curious if you would like to guide us through what your creative Works have been I know you’ve you’ve you’ve got too many directions since the book was released but I’m curious what do you recommend people start to discover beyond the book that that you feel most proud of and and thank you yes well you know I do see the whole thing at the adjoining and I I I came in as a bikini but I didn’t really know myself and I spent the first part of my life and I think it’s natural for beings to do that to spend the first part of their life but then who am I trying to know oneself and then that way you differentiate your paws from what has been necessarily conventionally and you you you choose this especially if you’re a person just naturally go to the beat of everybody else and you know I know. Keeney is now have been their name is being taken before I kind of embodiment within but you know what they represent in essence is in at the embodiment of a feminine wisdom principal they are archetypes of wisdom wisdom which comes at you naked because it is naked it butt naked truth it’s naked just radiating blessed through every pore and it’s disruptive because it passed away all the things that you because I think you relied on and all those artifice is an old as he go dramas she just Trampled Under Foot and lost and she’s drunk on the blesiv share spontaneous being yeah in the other part of my life before I discovered Tantra and the reflection that I came in just trying to see who am I and in that I said who am I and how do I fit into the culture that I find myself in and it’s my own self and what other projections of others and how am I seeing and how do I see myself and all these things I was bringing into my experience of and I found the technique of collage and that was when I was doing my thesis of surrealist artists map sons did a number of collage books using old engraving and in those books he put together the Engravings to create seamless new world but they were very Fantastical you know people had wings and snake came out between the Pavements and the real encounters happen but now look like they were meant to be like that all the time but he’s instructed them and you couldn’t see where they looked. Together they were a new world and I said I thought you could kind of see make it look like it’s not. But it’s actually fuse into a new reality and you can also really joke people’s perceptions by bringing together the things they wouldn’t normally associate together but by the juxtaposition you to create this what they call it in there so am I use those those tools of collage and use the loss of images of myself had my own photo taken and put myself in that so that I could be both see the Muse and the one I mean the object of somebody else’s view but with photographic and then I also made three dimensional objects and I use those cool things in a lot of pieces life cost of myself my own head button and then like us about the people that was similar to using photographic call out your photos Honda back in 73 I had an exhibition code opening which was all about food and the roster so I’m bringing together you know that the body of woman with the whole idea of the table together in that and it was very shocking to people dressed up I had a whole wedding cake constructed I’m prevented myself as with a van everything adds the wedding cakes at the invitation for the exhibition it was in a being fully engaged in in in the eye and after that I forgot I started it went through for 7 years which was a major I guess you’ll call now to send what was that word wasn’t used at the time but it was me looking at all the skeletons in the cupboard I had a relationship with this filmmaker and we were meant to be doing all these projects together and it never really asked you fully manifest and then we broke up and it was my whole drama with woman’s theater group and my what with them kind of ripping apart their relationship and then I just had to process all this cuz I would say I’m sorry can I ask you something really quick I don’t want to cry or be a gossipmonger anything but I feel that the the Dynamics between creative creative relationships romantic relationships and those the way those play out the Ender play especially if there is I don’t know what that was in your case but I’m I’m really curious to see what wisdom you would have to share about you about using tantric skill sets and tools to harmonize human personality conflicts that’s a big big question a lot to to explore but if you were able if you were confronting these sort of issues were you able to at least somehow raise the vibration you know even if there are deal breakers and things had to be you know closed off but I’m just curious if you were successful at all and applying principles or by Christopher Hills my you know the person who built this property here he did a book called creative conflict which was all about heart-to-heart communication and about people needing to be hard I’m so it’s at whole dynamic between having an exchange with someone else but that person letting you know after you’ve spoken from your heart but they have understood it reflecting it back in their own words to you and that you do that back and forth and it actually creates a whole different kind of feedback loop the misunderstandings that often have a good exercise based on you know Christopher understanding of those principles a yogi eyes pop from being a western scientist animal and he was all these things wrapped together but that was a very good example of principles into the relationship Dynamic but for myself you know that it’s been so many different relationships and even oceans and you know how many dimensions the last to it and each one I’ve had a few major relationships in my life apart from many other relationship but as a few major ones you know that had bad that even a beauty and then Gloria and the agony and you know all of that and I always say there’s no such thing as my student so I like to think we’re all students protection is setting in the area relationship dynamic especially going to the mat the male-female dynamic at this particular time on the planet is in such a challenge in at the rest so many areas that go across because she knows you think of just love and attraction and vibration if you like you know that conventional I’m just you know that Dynamic the spice of life and energy vibrations which you know I make everything so complex and setting it this time the whole sexual identity is something that so you know I’m in the midst for what it’s going to be the next evolutionary stage of how we’re going to be able to manage male-female dynamic in a new way and of course you know the true Keys the Contra do do hold those keys because it is a true and which ones have it if you are able to hold that Crucible and a gaining and it didn’t. Do you have the real chance to be able to see the Divine in each other and bring the Divine fully into that invaded relationship and that you know it’s just the the Beauty and the glory and the end of the immortal France and get moving into our discontent touched any magical ways but at the moment I’m playing a lot of challenging in our relationship not only to each other but to a whole The Crucible of plant it up and down with her that you know that the interpersonal has to also be expanded I believe attitude tantrica to include the whole interaction with all of our natural world at this point and really bringing that into every meditation and interaction really because we can’t afford to lie if that helps eco-warrior and was all about planting gardens and saving trees and I still am now but I feel like what I’ve added to that with Tantra is just a ever-deepening reverence for creation and for the Divine the astral the Earthly Plains all the things we often take for granted I just want to be in that state of reverence and awe that I think most people achieve that when they go into the Great Outdoors and then go hiking or skiing they they have a tantric sort of shocked if acacian of there at least their parts of their system get woken up an activated unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be enough to make them into real hardcore activists a lot of the times but I feel like the there is an ecological agenda that is very transparent and very intrinsic to the path that that romance with with the life-giving fertility of this divine feminine and if you know a lot of people experience very direct communion with the wisdom intelligence and directives of Gaia through this practice so do you want to talk a bit about that kind of revelatory ecological revolution of Tantra if you will be glory after the sexual Revolution and I would save the kind of a cool resonance that I’ve I’ve told condemned presentation to some of her because I really believe especially in the cold vibration that she said we’ve got to start treating the Earth like a lover not like a mother and it when you treat her like a mother it’s you expect the mother to get unconditionally do everything for you and you don’t have to give anything back but if you treat it like a lover than you you know show that you have to give love to that lava and it says to a slow and so that’s an important shift and I think that’s a good thing to bear in mind and I had one time when I was in my twenties and experience with some strange object did Johnny and in that time I had what I still feel program the most orgasmic experience that I had when I had it I was just lying back on this massage table I wasn’t touching myself but I was having these orgasm just passed through my whole body and what I was feeling at the time I felt like I was body of the Earth has style and the every single every single of an insect’s wing and the slithering of the body of a snake and the rustling of leaves everyone going through my whole being beautifully spoken and who could not want to experience that who doesn’t anybody out there not enjoy orgasm it’s a very small number and to the to think that it can become such a flow state of being that level of Sensitivity I kind of almost feel like what most people are striving for when it when they’re trying to get off you know whatever gender or sex they may be is there their they’re basically trying to use friction sex or some sort of high-intensity friction contact in order to kind of chisel or sandblast or break through all this plaque that separating their nervous system and their chakra system from the cosmic Bliss that is a constant wave of orgasmic energy so the more you dissolve that plaque through right action through dharmik practice and purification of all kinds that are very well enumerated in the tatras you know an in yogic texts and Vedic texts there’s a path way to clean your stylus and get more of that orgasmic slow going and it’s definitely so abundant and not so scarce like everything else that we’ve been tricked about as far as the scarcity mindset vs. the abundance mindset so that’s just a follow-up that’s from me and and now that we’re coming to a close on time do you want to talk about some of the anymore highlights from your creative works that people should be looking for then about what’s what’s the current and future of an exorcism it was called and said some the book that I put out and that was trying to look at all these psychological States and and who am I and is that I could dance we both kind of psycho and then I come out at the house and then I have discovered time trip by this point and then I meet Nick Douglas as I say and then we went on to do another College book called man the next to see which was just a celebration of coming out of the confines of this black and white house and all the Western Heritage Inn in the Himalayas and just everything is one century psycho-spiritual play of of everything the profaned the sacred oil mixed together and it was a it was just we were enjoying and I wish I knew how to do, what a wonderful tool it was expecting this and that was that serious and then at the same time we did the secret dakini Oracle which was the 64 card Oracle system in systems put that out and that’s being around working since then then I went to to the Caribbean I was there for 15 years at I-10 and time got a long story short I realized I was there because of the embedded energy of the Arawak Indians whooping for alcohol Caribbean free Columbus and the Magical and pure kind of society who had been swept under the carpet of history and speaking to me and so I firmly believe that the indigenous way of life is the way of creating sustainability for the planet if we can start to embrace him understand that engage instead of in a friend that to the side as the Civilization V how to be in tune with the spirit and all things so that was my home to that way of life but I did for my portraits and they are like Indians in my time that and then I came back to America in 94 after I was I was here before that New York I was working on my phone from about the Arawaks and I finish that and then it was then that I met Christopher Hills and came here and then for the time here I am held a lot of events dr. Christopher past but she did the 97 to bring in the goddess energy and I still would like you to describe them when we talk to them right to coming on on on the car that you were interested in the way of using the energy that is that in these events and we’re all these awful waves so all that happening and I still while we can offer them to the goddess and then she can give her grace to us and doing for several years he has many people from the whole graveyard from performance thoughts and in the area bringing them in and having people get their offerings to Spotify and then one. I made the 64 that key Miracle which isn’t Eeveelution of the nlra but this time each of the energy that he needs and I have 64 Oracle and I hope to do a nap cuz if it can meet chat father and that is like a temple for the goddess and an Oracle phone just working on more three-dimensional pieces the game and coming back into a focus of customizing they oughta game having reached out to all the Divine archetypes imma come back into a more personal expression and now that I’m done now I just want to see you on tour with the museum installation with all this I’m not the biggest art Aficionado in the world but of course I’ve I’ve been a fan of Alex Grey and H R Giger and what I after this conversation I feel like I got a lot of catching up to do on on what you put out that I wasn’t aware of and I’m really going to enjoy it so it is a sort of a sumtur got some guidance that you could provide to say hey go and you know you can go to your website and in and just order purchase what you have or their YouTube videos or any other ways to access your go to website since I mean Menards.com has a broad spectrum of the word that I’ve been talking about and then 64 the numbers that Kenny. Org is where you can go to consult the Oracle and but also that the gallery of the images of the Thai King is there and then the Blue Lotus pod. Com which is rstudio site which has some videos and Son photography so those are few things that you can look at to start with and I haven’t all page on Facebook too with how about Instagram of you if you got on that platform say it took me a while because I just have so many projects and engagements of all kinds I didn’t want to be distracted by something that was another no platform of that nature however I am totally convinced now that it is one of the most strategic leverage points for anybody with the message or Consciousness that can create visual content it’s amazing I just thought of something I wanted to say and it was about relationship and resolution from a perspective that we were talking about mentioning my exorcism though that thing about The Break-Up and processing of the relationship and that’s what spurred our conversation about relationship with my partner at the time and next month or beginning of next month I’m going over to the UK to go to a conference and speak that that’s about this film makeup Peter Whitehead and over the last few years we can get back together in the sensitive film that we did at the time which type of being shown all those years and I was able to show that the Hayward Gallery in London and oh so I’m speaking at the conference about him because it’s a whole retrospect if they take him to the archives at this University and son a solution of some quite powerful can you describe it at all or just footage that we shot at the same time I did all these photographs that became the basis of the footage of myself and my girlfriend and Peter Shaw hit in this old derelict mansion house could love and it’s all just showing it Roar has it came out to the time off to all these years after 1969 that was shot and I guess this unit many takes but it’s like in this time the space that it’s like a magical experience that’s amazing so is there any hope that we will get this that’ll get to see a bigger audience or what do you have his first plants with that now is scheduled to reach a larger audience is a documentary that just being made of me he was young filmmaker Cove it started walking on it in 2012 when I was over in the UK I’m getting a tour at the gallery about my work and he was excited and said, I shouldn’t interfere with you and that interview grew into the documentary what she’s dressed now completed and it’s all of my early walk treat antra I’m in London and a relationship with a woman that hole. And it’s called Penny Slinger Out of the Shadows quite a good release coming up shortly support and Discovery and in the promotion and I’m definitely want to continue to explore in and talk with you about how to support the mission that that was laid out and and I feel like someday I will somebody will be calling me and asking me what was the story behind what brought me to interview and people like you if this is my contribution to the world and there’s just an ongoing interest and it’s so interesting to see to get this background and to have to really just go on a sort of a Time a Time trip into these you know these different points in in your creative history and really if I could just ask you a couple more questions before we before we call it a night do you have a couple more minutes being this kind of bridge through these was one of the things to me that’s very important in the manifestation of my life’s Mission if you like is to be able to be active and relevant at this time in my life when I am old and that the wisdom of the wise woman knows he didn’t pack anything back into society and that’s what he need so much to be able to swear I act now I’m not wanting to be Destin historical figure but I am for the active right now I love that thank you so much yeah that’s I’m so thrilled again that we’re having this conversation and I feel like the the need is is greater than ever to access the wisdom of the elders going back yuno thousands of years and the question I actually want to ask you who really is like the what the let’s see the shocked it country code is the goddess worshiping country cuz whether they would be considered on the left hand path of the right hand path or generally I think more realistically it was a it was a sort of he was ambidextrous it was an ambidextrous way to be in in in the shock to Tantra schools where you were dabbling we’re not doubling but really actually working consciously with Desire with with Will with your will and also with the Divine elements but hopefully with Integrity to Lenny’s trainings you would be in service to add a v or in the process so that you would be sort of putting yourself to work for the Divine will and getting your commission of the small things that your small mind actually wants in this small slice of the universe or the universe and if I if I simplify what the essence of the positive empowered healing Reverend Liberatore nature of of the more feminist Tantra is about purification of those parasites of the heart that you mention you know earlier and if if that was the intention back then against the forces that Humanity was up against at that time that they warned us the forces are going to get worse it’s the Kali Yuga World age and we’re going to be inundated with these negative entities once again the technology that you were exploring and has continued to explore and her still as you said ready to bring to the present moment at this time of absolute sexual Madness more than ever through porn the the question is it took me awhile to get to it but how do you advise the world now about the need for Tantra what are your what are your words of wisdom and take as much time as is you have pleased to give us some guidance now Where Do We Begin what do we focus on and prioritize if we have limited attention spans you know yeah please and that was about a left hand or right hand Tantra and as far as I’m concerned they only real difference in a kind of pacification is that the right hand is to do with meditative Union with say the daikini and the right left hand is to do with actually taking an inverted Shakti to realize that Union but it’s both to do with the inner Union with the Divine being and then the interesting cuz I had it seems so simple but I had a revelation between like tantric meditation and the meditation of other religious forms is you’re not sublimating that energy that section energy you actually using that but what the right hand while you’re using it but with this entire no. Can you actually making love with the internal. Kini so it’s it’s using everything rather than denying everything so I just really wanted to address that because when you say to balancing photos of course you know the play is at the Contra dealer is that Tina between the outer and inner and other call BNI it within the soccer not the gross body that’s why it’s called the second body the energy body where that is you know that that in a erotic channel of energy where in at the Statue of Santa up to the crown and it’s all one energy and I said that they that the blessed is when you envision and experience the union of Shiva and Shakti in the crown chakra meaning like completely in their territory around but fillet in the cellular matrix honey and milk into the Lotus at the hot and got us that and that is The Crucible and that’s if the dentist thing to focus on in the inner plane that’s it because it’s about the dog and dangerous about the dog that hot ass between me and have a claim and it’s true that you know list for meditation that you can stop with the chief Zach time does all the time male body vibrates but we’re actually wonderful wave energy that you are manifesting it’s that I want it that you’re tuning into it with the gift-giving wow so the right-hand and left-hand path are not antagonistic that’s an illusion make the pads Chrysler make an ex or something in a beautiful dress right as bad as it spirals as it should beautiful thank you for that clarification I think that’s going to help a lot of people yeah so so I’m dressing and red and white snake spider and around but you know the contract principle is to get that energy than going into the central Channel which just you know is this I’m at wave of infinity no bottomless and topless photos of spiraling into that Central Channel yes yes thank you so much it’s as beautiful as it’s no wonder that your visual artist because you’re you creating a beautiful art form in the Maginot just through the word so and yeah thank you for that I am very excited to see what you continue to develop and and I definitely feel like his you’re saying it’s if it’s if the wisdom that you’ve been carrying is not percolating through the generations the way that it it we would hope for it to then I want to be stepping up as somebody who who really makes effort to connect people who are interested in erotica and neurotic media and the wisdom teachings that that you you share to be able to access them so hopefully this is one small step in that direction with doing this podcast and I’m going to definitely look forward to just catching up in schooling myself in your work yeah any other things you want to share before we go tonight you are sending out many good powerful vibrations to everyone who possibly tunes into this that they fix that part of being that country Quiva of the own Destinies and put themselves in the center of that own mandalas so that they a defect not just cause at the same time of cost aligning to the Divine headlights in the sky but your fulcrum and your guide so that you are at course but your turkey day at effect of the goddesses well, all right good night thank you so much pain he will text you and take care, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818 to 7515 3 or emo band at Country Park. 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