In this episode I’m blessed to converse with former porn star Vikki Dark about the political economy of sexploitation in the adult industry. We hear heart breaking horror stories of her descent into the industry and invigorating stories of courageous escape. We address an array of ancient, recent, present and future paradigms from radical and eco-feminist perspectives. Ultimately our conclusion is hopeful as we find ways to share strength and explore synergy in our efforts to transcend this pit of capitalist sexploitation.
Vikki Dark is a writer and academic whose work spans erotica, feminist thought, biography and transgressive fiction. She’s a radical feminist and a sex industry survivor who now campaigns against the injustices rife in the sex industry namely the use of comprising imagery by producers for the lifetimes of women.
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Com and our journey together will begin hello dear beloved welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 82 I am on Skype with Vicky dark a former adult performer who has become an advocate for I’d say a better more Ideal World where people have evolved past this industry with a lot of this harmful Tendencies and this is really very well-informed and has a lot of insight and wisdom that you probably aren’t going to hear in many other places so I’m very proud to have her to share her perspective and to be able to feel very honored to be able to have a discussion that’s going to honor the sacred feminine in a way that a rare rare opportunity so with that said Vicky would you please tell us a bit about to your your history and where you came from with all of your eye with your works okay so I started young in me I don’t need to stray I literally was terribly chain bad relationship with my mother problematic bloodline theme my mom have problems when she was young and young boyfriend needed money and basically is so adverts in kind of papers you know. I wanted to be an actress and it was for that dances and that and then there was some stuff like that and so I explore these effing used and what got me into the the stuff that was most life-changing okay I’m at woman who was an agent and as she basically I said do you want to be model You Got What It Takes I thought it would be compliment and it ended in me doing hardcore pornography very young age so yeah but then I pedal back it was really I don’t know if I could say tree affect me at that age I kind of like buried it was like it was I was told he was going to do monthly and then I turned up this place and and then then in the next minute I was told I was sleeping with you having sex with a man when I was very young. 27 and I kind of like I was one of these young people who didn’t have much I had low self-esteem I guess I kind of like you know if I could be pushed into things quiet until they got me a few drinks and stuff like that and I wasn’t even legal was not the actual American strength what I used to call it back then you know what I mean America’s it so you’re saying it was beyond like Xtreme guns or what I don’t know exactly what the other on light 2000 late night is was when you actually see the penis entering the vagina so that’s nothing now now now compared to what’s going on what we go out there an American strength was considered like strong and so that’s when you actually see the penis into the vagina film I have watched the film I don’t want to do it in such rhetoric I believe you didn’t see the actual you know that the American strength Paul which was a penis enter in the vagina you just throw these Shack in the actual sex scenario so that was that was actually one of my first experiences with the Auto industry but I said I didn’t want to do it at first and then I said oh okay well you know okay then leave whatever but I didn’t have the money so just call me that the paperwork quite nice by the end of the day I was lied to about where I was going to do I was young I did it I needed the money had no money to get home so just go off so that it led to a series of me me kind of think he would have done that so it’s good money you know who cares and I was taking ecstasy and stuff like that in the time of taking a hard hard drugs but I was definitely probably a generation and in England it was like a kind of rape scene in America to Global Goods in Rave for the guy that was a big thing right side quest retrievable the Heyday and it’s definitely been a hyper regulated in isn’t is pristine the underground is been kind of co-opted into more of a corporate new rule as it was you know that was years ago and I remember you like to take my phone saying things like that I mean there was some it was a good times about my younger life but definitely gonna Seattle industry was was was something that suddenly became was something new at first and then very quickly became something the buy me very depressed and something that raps that you like them because of the money and it becomes your kind of perspective of Your World becomes you yeah yeah you know it’s 10 fish if you’re young it’s like, to see the the wood for the trees and in times of Morrow was in everything I don’t believe in the religion of the parents and Friends religions and spell projection of morals at all wrong if it feels right you know to the person sound sensibility then I believe that you’re gone and you know what it felt wrong I needed the money young age I know you didn’t want to lose your money with a few hundred quid but it was not very quick work for a few hundred pound and and you know what kind of didn’t really look too much in the future. This is you know this is wrong so I head out over here and everything like that cuz I was kind of like in this mentality that was like a regular jobs but I was doing regular jobs and stuff like that I had my first boy when I was 9:18 and then they had him at 19 pregnant your first you say your first boy your first child and that yes. So then I saw it becomes you have to get the bread and stuff like that. Yeah we have fine he didn’t get you wasn’t bothered hit it like you don’t care whatever he scraped my knee so it’s always been bringing 500 press if it’s a question about women are objects thingies the money was very good you know 502000 lbs some nights at least think that I was the cream of lap dancing club in London is the best one you can get that was lucky enough to get in there at that time I felt pretty lucky yeah. That for the next few years, that fell into the Esco inside of things because what happened cuz I had a nervous breakdown come out if it had my second baby and then and then fell into the high school inside of things and yeah you do something for me so you’re getting the money and the money is gone. You have a good holidays you’re having like you know who these great things the capitalist system office but it comes and goes it comes and goes and you kind of left a different nose person you kind of don’t look mad the same anymore you’ve developed and also and I hate to admit this but you kind of become rather sexual as well I mean it’s a big is a mess around in the Auto industry that women have really really highly sexualized and really like an eye out for it as they say in England but I mean the biggest faux pas if you are a sex worker is to make you hate sex love sex so much I really really love sex and you said you don’t have to fucking say that you know you don’t have to keep saying it because that’s what’s expected of you why don’t you just say you just want to know you want a night off and I hate that about the women actually now the new kind of the new object is the subject so it’s like they but they kind of the women are currently I see on social media you know I’m telling the truth and the monster manga I don’t have this kind of thing but they are not kind to tell me that they own their sexuality on film because they don’t let you know I’m that sexuality says they say right so you absolutely awful experience I’m not negating the fact that we can have adventurous animalistic sex wild sex and everything. That what I’m saying though we become a collection of signs and signifiers which is nothing to do with a list of gender and sexuality sorry if they are saying that they only sexually inside the more important basically is the woman is the focal point the timber I guzan arranged in such a way that the man the man appear to be subsequent reaction I mean the dicks there and everything and it’s lent to the the woman and taking place in everything. That guy’s a party not the partying up with him indoors and I know sorry the actors the cameraman these are old guys it’s a party it’s a boys club and she’s in the middle I mean you know I think actually I would go so far as to say it’s not even about the woman I mean the woman could be even you could have an animal sidekick yeah it’s the locker room teamsportsinfo Conquest Rodeo really the woman has led to believe that she is some kind of star probably because she paid more and because they get these big following in our accounts on Twitter and everything like that and I guess in the head by saying I’m some kind of stuff I need an 81 why I guess they are well-known and they’ve got some kind of cute also attached to this to this identity this cast list these capitalists oriented identity by the porn industry but it’s not a thing you know they pay I would do double anal gangbang everything you want me to be you know the motherfuking the mud likes you’re going to get in the most fun as you’re going to get and the more you look like you know the least real you look for example the more plastic you look the more like a sex doll cost you all from who you are the more likes you’re going to get the more followers because you know you are becoming more because they are becoming the product tomorrow more so a product of this capitalist of this agenda this whole thing it’s like I know is that some some Theory or some the Inn of the three physical material body and the fact the oldest religion is visual vernacular every bubble industry we fix polymorphous party. It is doesn’t exist sheep you know she’s a hoe you know it is a patriarchal lens they can’t tell me it’s not a negative patriarchal lens that we’re seeing this is construct Define construct I agree with you and anybody who anyone who is a question with question anything you said so far at is that let’s put you in that position and then after you experience it you can talk about how you felt you know you’re assuming I call you when I have you and have anal sex while you’re going to get it from me first buddy you know what I mean you’re going to have to understand if you want to have any sensitivity you know if I’m going to trust you to be at all sensitive towards my body then you’re going to have to you know it’s going to be 50/50 and that’s a relationship you know so it’s it’s interesting to I would love to to do a social experiment on MythBusters for all the guys who think that this is just such an empowering you know deliberating in the position of the woman to see how I feel what is the other space printing if there’s plenty of protons who will strap-on and Peg guys senseless so you know it’s not like it’s not like they even have to be gay to do it to have the experience but it’s just putting it out there so but I dare I would dare the and then that you don’t have to say yeah actually this is horrific you know it’s his horrific painful psychotic evil and I love it or I hate it but they’re not going to they won’t have the app they won’t be a steward ignorant about what it would it really is you know you have to own that only that it is extremely harmful and would you show this to your child would this be in the stocking stuffers at the 13th birthday Christmas you don’t I mean if I don’t think so I mean there’s a lot of Shadow there that’s the question isn’t it I mean what you want your child car into this happy birthday on social media you know it’s kind of everyone’s like yeah sure and you know their parents in the I can do you see the parents stand the ancestors standing behind that meat puppet you’ve got their front of you or you just see the dollar signs in the Benjamin unit while you got a different different how your what’s your pounds right absolutely right yeah they’re seeing they’re seeing this this stack of money and they’re not honoring the ancestors and they’re not seeing their children you know the impact is going to have on their children do they want their children to be trying to perform these acts on each other example of a moral checklist that is is missing and So you you’re pretty well steeped in the in the arguments for I’m sure you’ve spoken to actresses who were sort of bought into it and are defending that that you know the Enterprise as it is and I’m sure you’ve spoken with and communicated with directors and producers who are defending all the stuff profusely and are you ready to talk about about how that’s that dialogue has been shaping for you the more kind of a couple of my friends actually kind of Frenemies guy on here is very active on social media and always willing to converse and I appreciate that because you know a lot of people shut things down but I don’t want to hear Echo Chambers me and he and he’s a producer over in England and he basically August with me quite a lot about the Emancipation the freedom of women and they supposed sexual Liberty that subscribe to women and pornography and how you know who do I think I am to stand there and end challenge that you know that’s his bicycle race in which he argues from I’m not that’s fine but you know if he wants that opinion and I’ve realized you know free might kind of experimentation if you like through my research for a social media which is a kind of spoke to all the women and the ones who like I get the M the law in a private message the law and I’m young goes to be honest with you and I’m really happy to speak to them and if I kind of say things like that wants me to go here you know this producer and this is his name and he does extremely sore neck strain that I’ve heard bad things about him should I go that kind of question is absolutely know if you heard anything about a different stuff you know what we’re talking about here I mean in the dialogue so what’s not addressed and what is actually the elephant in the room is is the Moto the system of the system of the Auto industry women get paid a lot more now this is why I defend it that day this is why I basically on social media in the public domain women argue with me and they kind of come at me with an attitude of who the hell do you think you are you know what you think you are and I’m like you know because I’ve got voice because I’m trying to make something with trying to rebuild my life until they rebuilding my life is being an academic that to me is my passion so I’m going to take that wife from me I don’t know these women know but you know that produces no I don’t care you know that ain’t going to take that away from me because that’s the one thing in my life for my kids so I can say you know all the crap talking further and stuff like that are so bright because I’ve been achieving but what do you think you are you know cuz I’m kind of like fully my passion and I’m having a voice about the industry so not only do I argue with produces with the women in the industry you don’t even want to open dialogue so yeah I mean it’s really it’s the reaction but generally employed and I understand the diner you know the dynamic of being in the industry the harbor certain amount of anger women not surprising you know you know that making a choice for the money I want mo money for the quicker time spent I don’t want to do the full week working a job and the hard work that kind of appreciation to come later that night that she was in the money I meant that they are full go in the ceilings and the destruction of intimacy that’s occurring within them through selling their bodies to let you know that anyone who comes along with enough cash to sexual violation and they got some great things never shops know that nice for nice houses might be in over their spot they both keep this going to go kick this cabin and so the cops see a while because the money and so everything I’m saying or suggesting even if it’s positive for example what the new suggestion it was not really know I’ve been going on for a while this alone it’s because I’m a very English Oblivion I tried to a few official people about this and it takes a lot of dedication and devotion and get this up and running but it was and if I can buy back their images from the internet you know of any other industry and what that does that allows the women after 10 years or 15 years even know how to transition into the public university college whatever just normal life opening up that children without being recognized and you eat it should be really easy it should be a simple program that you push a button and it just sucks everything away massive chasm in the Auto industry in eight states states is women are getting paid 500 quid in our new goes in the industry that there is a tie go what can be max hardcore at the moment and I take it she’s like a chain and she just used her real name and I was talking to her on the day and and and I said to her without you know it’s never too late to change your name you know because County Concrete Elementary back you can use it forever and it’s really extreme stuff at them your whole life ahead of you and she kind of like of the day I’m so I couldn’t see any tears or anything like that by felly on the voice of his coming through likes me now what can I do to sign bad for her because I’m so anyway so with the Auto industry about lease buyback proposal Isla is the women come with me and they say it’s not going to work it’s not going to work because because you know is I like how I know I don’t show it to eat it’s not you know you sometimes what about films we never thought the paper I said he’s not perfect but allows you to erase profiles and eventually the images images I’m sure you could have private investigator bounty hunters they could get you a huge settlements if you know I mean there’s already people for music and all other forms of media for copyright violations there’s a whole third-party industry cuz if the government’s not going to the government is not going to proactively enforce a lot of that stuff but there’s agencies out there that are private agencies that make money off of this bounty hunting of them content so you know reputation band what’s up, do the reputation real well it’s just it’s as if like for example if you’re a musical recording artist and somebody you know uploads your music to YouTube or some other place on the internet the government isn’t going to necessarily be tracking down all of those copyright infringement cases but there are now in the dussehra where you try to keep computer program that can scan and scour the internet and look for the the wave file or or the video you know would end the end of this match it and then a lot of Kellogg times now with they’ll do is actually figure out how instead of a lot of punitive damages or lettuce and you know trying to drag him into court they’ll just make it make it so they run ads you know so you’re what you have my content somewhere well we’re going to have to run ads on it and you know give the give a percentage of the money in the revenue to the artist and it’s all kind of being sorted out there’s big cases but you know I’m in the music industry that’s that’s there so obviously if you wanted to erase all that you would have for you know what’s the word a takedown policy enforcement you know so if you were to say yeah I’m I’m I’m declaring that I no longer want my likeness that it’s not that I no longer give anyone permission to put my likeness on the internet No Matter What by the problem with signing all those contracts as a model is that you sign your letting you know you’re selling your soul to the devil pretty much have to form a union for models and actresses that says we don’t ever signed more than the five-year you know term or something I mean but these these contracts are just in blood they’re just signing everything in Bledsoe I just blessed blessed to hear these these words be spoken and by you and and I’m curious if you would like to guide us through what your creative Works have been I know you’ve you’ve you’ve got too many directions since the book was released I’m curious what do you recommend people start to discover beyond the book that that you feel most proud of and and thank you yes well you know I do see the whole thing as a vagina you know I I I I came in at the bikini but I didn’t really know myself and spent the first part of my life and I think it’s natural for beings to do that to spend the first part of their lives the same who am I you know and trying to know oneself and in that way you differentiate you’ll pass from what has been necessarily conventionally and you you you choose especially if you’re a person just naturally go to the beat of everybody else and you know I know. Kini is now have been their name is being taken the for a specific kind of embodiment within the tantric but you know what they represent in essence is in at the embodiment of a feminine wisdom principal they are archetypes of wisdom wisdom which comes at you naked because it is naked it butt naked truth it’s not it’s naked it’s radiating blessed through every pore and it’s disruptive because it passed away all the things that you because I think you relied on and all those artifices and all that eager dramas she just Trampled Under Foot and lost and she’s drunk on the Blessed of share spontaneous being yeah in the other part of my life is full I discovered Tantra and the reflection that I came in just trying to see who am I and in that I said who am I and how do I fit into the culture that I find myself in and it’s my own self and what are the projections of others and how am I seeing and how do I see myself and all these things I was bringing into my experience of aunt and my aunt was I found the technique of collage and that was when I was doing my thesis of the surrealist artists map sons did a number of college books using old engraving and in those books he put together the Engravings to create seamless new world but they were very Fantastical you know people had wings and snake came out between the Pavements and the real encounters happen but now look like they were meant to be like that all the time but he’s instructed them and you couldn’t see where they looked. Together they were a new world and I said I thought you could kind of see make it look like it’s not. But it’s actually fuse into a new reality and you can also really joke people’s perceptions by bringing together the things they wouldn’t normally associate together but by the juxtaposition you to create this what they call it in there so am I use those those tools of collage and use the loss of images of myself had my own photo taken and put myself in that so that I could be both see the Muse and the one I mean the object of somebody else’s view but with photographic and then I also made three dimensional objects and I use those cool things in a lot of pieces life cost of myself my own head button and then like us about the people that was similar to using photographic call out your photos Honda back in 73 I had an exhibition code opening which was all about food and the roster so I’m bringing together you know that the body of woman with the whole idea of the table together in that and it was very shocking to people dressed up I had a whole wedding cake constructed I’m prevented myself as with a van everything adds the wedding cakes at the invitation for the exhibition it was in a being fully engaged in in in the eye and after that I forgot I started it went through for 7 years which was a major I guess you’ll call now to send what was that word wasn’t used at the time but it was me looking at all the skeletons in the cupboard I had a relationship with this filmmaker and we were meant to be doing all these projects together and it never really asked you fully manifest and then we broke up and it was my whole drama with woman’s theater group and my what with them kind of ripping apart their relationship and then I just had to process all this cuz I would say I’m sorry can I ask you something really quick I don’t want to cry or be a gossipmonger anything but I feel that the the Dynamics between creative creative relationships romantic relationships and those the way those play out the Ender play especially if there is I don’t know what that was in your case but I’m I’m really curious to see what wisdom you would have to share about you about using tantric skill sets and tools to harmonize human personality conflicts that’s a big big question a lot to to explore but if you were able if you were confronting these sort of issues were you able to at least somehow raise the vibration you know even if there are deal breakers and things had to be you know closed off but I’m just curious if you were successful at all and applying principles or by Christopher Hills my you know the person who built this property here he did a book called creative conflict which was all about heart-to-heart communication and about people needing to be hard I’m so it’s at whole dynamic between having an exchange with someone else but that person letting you know after you’ve spoken from your heart but they have understood it reflecting it back in their own words to you and that you do that back and forth and it actually creates a whole different kind of feedback loop the misunderstandings that often have a good exercise based on you know Christopher understanding of those principles a yogi eyes pop from being a western scientist animal and he was all these things wrapped together but that was a very good example of principles into the relationship Dynamic but for myself you know that it’s been so many different relationships and even oceans and you know how many dimensions the last to it and each one I’ve had a few major relationships in my life apart from many other relationship but as a few major ones you know that had bad that even a beauty and then Gloria and the agony and you know all of that and I always say there’s no such thing as my student so I like to think we’re all students protection is setting in the area relationship dynamic especially going to the mat the male-female dynamic at this particular time on the planet is in such a challenge in at the rest so many areas that go across because she knows you think of just love and attraction and vibration if you like you know that conventional I’m just you know that Dynamic the spice of life and energy vibrations which you know I make everything so complex and setting it this time the whole sexual identity is something that so you know I’m in the midst for what it’s going to be the next evolutionary stage of how we’re going to be able to manage male-female dynamic in a new way and of course you know the true Keys the Contra do do hold those keys because it is a true and which ones have it if you are able to hold that Crucible and a gaining and it didn’t. Do you have the real chance to be able to see the Divine in each other and bring the Divine fully into that invaded relationship and that you know it’s just the the Beauty and the glory and the end of the immortal France and get moving into our discontent touched any magical ways but at the moment I’m playing a lot of challenging in our relationship not only to each other but to a whole The Crucible of plant it up and down with her that you know that the interpersonal has to also be expanded I believe attitude tantrica to include the whole interaction with all of our natural world at this point and really bringing that into every meditation and interaction really because we can’t afford to lie if that helps eco-warrior and was all about planting gardens and saving trees and I still am now but I feel like what I’ve added to that with Tantra is just a ever-deepening reverence for creation and for the Divine the astral the Earthly Plains all the things we often take for granted I just want to be in that state of reverence and awe that I think most people achieve that when they go into the Great Outdoors and then go hiking or skiing they they have a tantric sort of shocked if acacian of there at least their parts of their system get woken up an activated unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be enough to make them into real hardcore activists a lot of the times but I feel like the there is an ecological agenda that is very transparent and very intrinsic to the path that that romance with with the life-giving fertility of this divine feminine and if you know a lot of people experience very direct communion with the wisdom intelligence and directives of Gaia through this practice so do you want to talk a bit about that kind of revelatory ecological revolution of Tantra if you will be glory after the sexual Revolution and I would save the kind of a cool resonance that I’ve I’ve told condemned presentation to some of her because I really believe especially in the cold vibration that she said we’ve got to start treating the Earth like a lover not like a mother and it when you treat her like a mother it’s you expect the mother to get unconditionally do everything for you and you don’t have to give anything back but if you treat it like a lover than you you know show that you have to give love to that lava and it says to a slow and so that’s an important shift and I think that’s a good thing to bear in mind and I had one time when I was in my twenties and experience with some strange object did Johnny and in that time I had what I still feel program the most orgasmic experience that I had when I had it I was just lying back on this massage table I wasn’t touching myself but I was having these orgasm just passed through my whole body and what I was feeling at the time I felt like I was body of the Earth has style and the every single every single of an insect’s wing and the slithering of the body of a snake and the rustling of leaves everyone going through my whole being beautifully spoken and who could not want to experience that who doesn’t anybody out there not enjoy orgasm it’s a very small number and to the to think that it can become such a flow state of being that level of Sensitivity I kind of almost feel like what most people are striving for when it when they’re trying to get off you know whatever gender or sex they may be is there their they’re basically trying to use friction sex or some sort of high-intensity friction contact in order to kind of chisel or sandblast or break through all this plaque that separating their nervous system and their chakra system from the cosmic Bliss that is a constant wave of orgasmic energy so the more you dissolve that plaque through right action through dharmik practice and purification of all kinds that are very well enumerated in the tatras you know an in yogic texts and Vedic texts there’s a path way to clean your stylus and get more of that orgasmic slow going and it’s definitely so abundant and not so scarce like everything else that we’ve been tricked about as far as the scarcity mindset vs. the abundance mindset so that’s just a follow-up that’s from me and and now that we’re coming to a close on time do you want to talk about some of the anymore highlights from your creative works that people should be looking for then about what’s what’s the current and future of an exorcism it was called and said some the book that I put out and that was trying to look at all these psychological States and and who am I and is that I could dance we both kind of psycho and then I come out at the house and then I have discovered time trip by this point and then I meet Nick Douglas as I say and then we went on to do another College book called man the next to see which was just a celebration of coming out of the confines of this black and white house and all the Western Heritage Inn in the Himalayas and just everything is one century psycho-spiritual play of of everything the profaned the sacred oil mixed together and it was a it was just we were enjoying and I wish I knew how to do, what a wonderful tool it was expecting this and that was that serious and then at the same time we did the secret dakini Oracle which was the 64 card Oracle system in systems put that out and that’s being around working since then then I went to to the Caribbean I was there for 15 years at I-10 and time got a long story short I realized I was there because of the embedded energy of the Arawak Indians whooping for alcohol Caribbean free Columbus and the Magical and pure kind of society who had been swept under the carpet of history and speaking to me and so I firmly believe that the indigenous way of life is the way of creating sustainability for the planet if we can start to embrace him understand that engage instead of in a friend that to the side as the Civilization V how to be in tune with the spirit and all things so that was my home to that way of life but I did for my portraits and they are like Indians in my time that and then I came back to America in 94 after I was I was here before that New York I was working on my phone from about the Arawaks and I finish that and then it was then that I met Christopher Hills and came here and then for the time here I am held a lot of events dr. Christopher past but she did the 97 to bring in the goddess energy and I still would like you to describe them when we talk to them right to coming on on on the car that you were interested in the way of using the energy that is that in these events and we’re all these awful waves so all that happening and I still while we can offer them to the goddess and then she can give her grace to us and doing for several years he has many people from the whole graveyard from performance thoughts and in the area bringing them in and having people get their offerings to Spotify and then one. I made the 64 that key Miracle which isn’t Eeveelution of the nlra but this time each of the energy that he needs and I have 64 Oracle and I hope to do a nap cuz if it can meet chat father and that is like a temple for the goddess and an Oracle phone just working on more three-dimensional pieces the game and coming back into a focus of customizing they oughta game having reached out to all the Divine archetypes imma come back into a more personal expression and now that I’m done now I just want to see you on tour with the museum installation with all this I’m not the biggest art Aficionado in the world but of course I’ve I’ve been a fan of Alex Grey and H R Giger and what I after this conversation I feel like I got a lot of catching up to do on on what you put out that I wasn’t aware of and I’m really going to enjoy it so it is a sort of a sumtur got some guidance that you could provide to say hey go and you know you can go to your website and in and just order purchase what you have or their YouTube videos or any other ways to access your go to website since I mean Menards.com has a broad spectrum of the word that I’ve been talking about and then 64 the numbers that Kenny. Org is where you can go to consult the Oracle and but also that the gallery of the images of the Thai King is there and then the Blue Lotus pod. Com which is rstudio site which has some videos and Son photography so those are few things that you can look at to start with and I haven’t all page on Facebook too with how about Instagram of you if you got on that platform say it took me a while because I just have so many projects and engagements of all kinds I didn’t want to be distracted by something that was another no platform of that nature however I am totally convinced now that it is one of the most strategic leverage points for anybody with the message or Consciousness that can create visual content it’s amazing I just thought of something I wanted to say and it was about relationship and resolution from a perspective that we were talking about mentioning my exorcism though that thing about The Break-Up and processing of the relationship and that’s what spurred our conversation about relationship with my partner at the time and next month or beginning of next month I’m going over to the UK to go to a conference and speak that that’s about this film makeup Peter Whitehead and over the last few years we can get back together in the sensitive film that we did at the time which type of being shown all those years and I was able to show that the Hayward Gallery in London and oh so I’m speaking at the conference about him because it’s a whole retrospect if they take him to the archives at this University and son a solution of some quite powerful can you describe it at all or just footage that we shot at the same time I did all these photographs that became the basis of the footage of myself and my girlfriend and Peter Shaw hit in this old derelict mansion house could love and it’s all just showing it Roar has it came out to the time off to all these years after 1969 that was shot and I guess this unit many takes but it’s like in this time the space that it’s like a magical experience that’s amazing so is there any hope that we will get this that’ll get to see a bigger audience or what do you have his first plants with that now is scheduled to reach a larger audience is a documentary that just being made of me he was young filmmaker Cove it started walking on it in 2012 when I was over in the UK I’m getting a tour at the gallery about my work and he was excited and said, I shouldn’t interfere with you and that interview grew into the documentary what she’s dressed now completed and it’s all of my early walk treat antra I’m in London and a relationship with a woman that hole. And it’s called Penny Slinger Out of the Shadows quite a good release coming up shortly support and Discovery and in the promotion and I’m definitely want to continue to explore in and talk with you about how to support the mission that that was laid out and and I feel like someday I will somebody will be calling me and asking me what was the story behind what brought me to interview and people like you if this is my contribution to the world and there’s just an ongoing interest and it’s so interesting to see to get this background and to have to really just go on a sort of a Time a Time trip into these you know these different points in in your creative history and really if I could just ask you a couple more questions before we before we call it a night do you have a couple more minutes being this kind of bridge through these was one of the things to me that’s very important in the manifestation of my life’s Mission if you like is to be able to be active and relevant at this time in my life when I am old and that the wisdom of the wise woman knows he didn’t pack anything back into society and that’s what he need so much to be able to swear I act now I’m not wanting to be Destin historical figure but I am for the active right now I love that thank you so much yeah that’s I’m so thrilled again that we’re having this conversation and I feel like the the need is is greater than ever to access the wisdom of the elders going back yuno thousands of years and the question I actually want to ask you who really is like the what the let’s see the shocked it country code is the goddess worshiping country cuz whether they would be considered on the left hand path of the right hand path or generally I think more realistically it was a it was a sort of he was ambidextrous it was an ambidextrous way to be in in in the shock to Tantra schools where you were dabbling we’re not doubling but really actually working consciously with Desire with with Will with your will and also with the Divine elements but hopefully with Integrity to Lenny’s trainings you would be in service to add a v or in the process so that you would be sort of putting yourself to work for the Divine will and getting your commission of the small things that your small mind actually wants in this small slice of the universe or the universe and if I if I simplify what the essence of the positive empowered healing Reverend Liberatore nature of of the more feminist Tantra is about purification of those parasites of the heart that you mention you know earlier and if if that was the intention back then against the forces that Humanity was up against at that time that they warned us the forces are going to get worse it’s the Kali Yuga World age and we’re going to be inundated with these negative entities once again the technology that you were exploring and has continued to explore and her still as you said ready to bring to the present moment at this time of absolute sexual Madness more than ever through porn the the question is it took me awhile to get to it but how do you advise the world now about the need for Tantra what are your what are your words of wisdom and take as much time as is you have pleased to give us some guidance now Where Do We Begin what do we focus on and prioritize if we have limited attention spans you know yeah please and that was about a left hand or right hand Tantra and as far as I’m concerned they only real difference in a kind of pacification is that the right hand is to do with meditative Union with say the daikini and the right left hand is to do with actually taking an inverted Shakti to realize that Union but it’s both to do with the inner Union with the Divine being and then the interesting cuz I had it seems so simple but I had a revelation between like tantric meditation and the meditation of other religious forms is you’re not sublimating that energy that section energy you actually using that but what the right hand while you’re using it but with this entire no. Can you actually making love with the internal. Kini so it’s it’s using everything rather than denying everything so I just really wanted to address that because when you say to balancing photos of course you know the play is at the Contra dealer is that Tina between the outer and inner and other call BNI it within the soccer not the gross body that’s why it’s called the second body the energy body where that is you know that that in a erotic channel of energy where in at the Statue of Santa up to the crown and it’s all one energy and I said that they that the blessed is when you envision and experience the union of Shiva and Shakti in the crown chakra meaning like completely in their territory around but fillet in the cellular matrix honey and milk into the Lotus at the hot and got us that and that is The Crucible and that’s if the dentist thing to focus on in the inner plane that’s it because it’s about the dog and dangerous about the dog that hot ass between me and have a claim and it’s true that you know list for meditation that you can stop with the chief Zach time does all the time male body vibrates but we’re actually wonderful wave energy that you are manifesting it’s that I want it that you’re tuning into it with the gift-giving wow so the right-hand and left-hand path are not antagonistic that’s an illusion make the pads Chrysler make an ex or something in a beautiful dress right as bad as it spirals as it should beautiful thank you for that clarification I think that’s going to help a lot of people yeah so so I’m dressing and red and white snake spider and around but you know the contract principle is to get that energy than going into the central Channel which just you know is this I’m at wave of infinity no bottomless and topless photos of spiraling into that Central Channel yes yes thank you so much it’s as beautiful as it’s no wonder that your visual artist because you’re you creating a beautiful art form in the Maginot just through the word so and yeah thank you for that I am very excited to see what you continue to develop and and I definitely feel like his you’re saying it’s if it’s if the wisdom that you’ve been carrying is not percolating through the generations the way that it it we would hope for it to then I want to be stepping up as somebody who who really makes effort to connect people who are interested in erotica and neurotic media and the wisdom teachings that that you you share to be able to access them so hopefully this is one small step in that direction with doing this podcast and I’m going to definitely look forward to just catching up in schooling myself in your work yeah any other things you want to share before we go tonight you are sending out many good powerful vibrations to everyone who possibly tunes into this that they fix that part of being that country Quiva of the own Destinies and put themselves in the center of that own mandalas so that they a defect not just cause at the same time of cost aligning to the Divine headlights in the sky but your fulcrum and your guide so that you are at course but your turkey day at effect of the goddesses well, all right good night thank you so much pain he will text you and take care, and click on the Donate button to help support the show in addition to sustaining and improving the podcast your donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple after bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818 to 7515 3 or emo band at Country Park. 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