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Sustainable Sexual Liberation with Francesca Gentille TPP24

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tp-francesca-gentilleFrancesca Gentille is the co-author of “The Marriage of Sex & Spirit,” the radio host of “Sex: Tantra & Kama Sutra”, and the Director of The Integrative Arts Institute.  She is a sex and intimacy counselor who presents internationally on the use of Sacred Eros and Sacred BDSM in recovery from trauma.

In this episode we discuss sacred sexuality’s past, present, and future by drawing upon anthropological data, our personal life experiences, and Francesca’s  wealth of knowledge and wisdom from years of amazing work in the field. She share’s her tantra life history of personal growth and development, then we explore many issues that are close to our hearts and minds. Ultimately she bestows as sense of great hope for sustainable sexual liberation, including the interpersonal and professional domains of sexuality.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin I want to thank you French biscuit in PA for joining me for episode number 24 of the township hunt podcast it’s a great honor to have you here as listen to all of your podcasts and follows your work and I’m just really excited and honored to be speaking with you so if you could give us some background on your sort of Contra life history and about what you’re up to these days I will take you so much bad for you including me in this and giving me an opportunity to share because I think that is a desire to make a difference and to do that we really need people like you who helped us get our message in our calling out to the world and Catholics in Wisconsin and there were those negative and conflicting messages about the body about sexuality about being a woman and if it’s meant is that I was only supposed to have sex once I was married that sex outside of marriage was a sin that in order to be thought of as a respect for a good woman I could always say no about sex and I should be very wary of anyone who wanted hit maybe even put their arm around your kiss me and I should also look at my body as a source of Temptation you know that my body could lead me astray and being raised with these kind of messages I became really terrified of sex and when I was he know dating age if a man with the very young somewhere around 1415 that if I kept going like this I would end up being frigid by the time that I’m married I would have been so patterned in my brain and in my responses around fear and sexuality that I wouldn’t be able to enjoy sexuality and so I began to start a process that I would later discover in Psychology is called successive approximation where I would hold in my mind that you have to be waking and sleeping. with Matt then I also was very very careful who I chose to date and partner with so that I have always chosen men really honored my pacing in the sexuality and if I want to go very very slow if I want to spend months or years kissing we’re just talking and I choose honor that and so I had the opportunity to incompetence lay next to a boyfriend naked without having sex just to become comfortable with the naked male by and I also was with someone from 14-223 that we really started out as friends and your friends three years friends eventually I absolutely loved him heart Body Mind and Spirit it was true very deep very sincere love not a crush and we eventually became lovers and had a very beautiful and vibrant and sweet sex life but it’s 23 he came out as gay which was profoundly shattering for me at that time and we’ll just started I think a deeper drive and curiosity how do they come together how do they make their choices is it are we gay or straight are we at 10 years later when we got together for a dinner I said you know how did it work that you identify as gay but we had this really virutex left and then I’ve had more sexual dysfunction issues with the men who might consider themselves heterosexual and he couldn’t that we had become so close you know a mental alignment the spiritual alignment alignment that we have become so close that there was a way to get my gender no longer mattered and the love they felt for me inspired ignited his erotic nature so his love for me was actually LED and his arousal for me was led by not his cock but by his heart never said a certain tone or even a certain standard for my sexuality that I would later years and years later cuz I didn’t really start studying until more probably my early forties that I would find out years later was there a contract that instead of leading with r instinctual neurobiological you know you smell like food let’s fuck you know rather than leading with that we learn to slow down we learn to be conscious of our breathing conscious of our responses your am I attractive am I judging you positively or negatively am I male or female arousal whether that’s 4 hours or whether that’s for a lifetime and that by having this experience in my you know 14-223 in a way it is started a pattern that would make a lot of sense when I got to Tantra is the sense of leading with the heart and letting the heart in form the rest of us rather than leading guess what are Primal nature another thing that I did start in my late twenties and early thirties started to study cross-cultural sacred sexuality so before I studied I was actually studying kind of sacred sexuality that was in that so for me personally although I will sometimes say I’m a I’m a tantra teacher because that’s easy to speak out of my mouth do you know Center teacher I really perceive myself to be a teacher and a coach that died around cross-cultural sacred arrows not just Eastern or Asian and I believe that sacred sexuality is our Birthright that it is interwoven into every single lineage of History whether we’re Jewish weather where you know of some sort of you know Arabic Middle Eastern it whether we’re European weather were African whether we’re Asian that no matter what our culture in which Mayan whatever our culture if we go back far enough we can see the anthropological shards of sacred sexuality in our tradition and I like knowing that I like researching that so that we don’t necessarily have to leave our Our Idiot I don’t have to stay at the stop being awesome beautiful awesome let’s do that but if we have to leave we don’t have to leave Christianity we don’t have to leave Judas and we don’t have to leave this why we don’t have to leave whatever tradition were part of to embrace sacred sexuality and so for me that’s very important one of the other things that I feel is very important for our listeners to know is there such a confusion between in the West End in the United States any kind of first world contemporary culture which I grew up with and feels kind of confused about how to relate to their body how to relate to the planet when we start to study in a western culture we had a tendency to focus on the body and sexuality but that. There really is a spiritual path and the goal is not a great sex life is actually the unconditional and compassionate acceptance of all that is it’s a spiritual path and just as it has a do you know who that the blissed-out recorder is not about having a great sex life this is about being incredibly compassionate human being and important people to know now look at my life compassion make a difference make a difference it make a difference if I could be compassionate about my body would it make a difference if I could be compassion about your body or about our sexuality and are our differences if I could hold this really deep compassion would that make a difference in our sex life it would absolutely so we’re now looking at something very different then you know what kind of positions can we do or what kind of position they’re breathing breathing tactics can we do to have a better sex life for a longer orgasm so the Kamasutra literally means the teachings, love to trace the teachings of the teachings about love and it was really like it was and is a spiritual path so such a nerd versus spiritual path and so I think you’re getting one we talked about Francesca’s what is Francesca’s history is it is very deeply personal experience that started a particular path and this very curious inquiring mind wanted to research cross-culturally and explore cross-cultural and still does and sit when I look at you know what am I teaching about sacred sexuality I look at everything from neurobiology psychology energy work Shamanism and teacher is teaching you their own jambalaya you know their own mixture of these little bits of what might be called classical control and lots of everything else that they know and so if you’re going to a tantra teacher it’s I feel it’s really important to ask them like you’re doing what is your background why did you choose this what do you think Nicole is what are your classes like and some country. Medic on her teacher’s sexual perspective and they have a strong bias toward polyamory and polyamory we intimate intimate ways but if you’re trying to go to class to improve your sex partner going to that Public House might actually disrupt your relationship even more so it’s important to know cuz it’s kind of like weirdest Entre come from in our country and what are might you be walking into and what do you need to ask I was starting to rain in Punta I recognized it as a sex and love addict and there was a way that I was approaching my relationship with men that was about getting my 6 and I didn’t know this because because I need to have lots of sex about two different people I wasn’t you know having sex with strangers and whiskey but what happened I had a boyfriend that broke up with me in the middle of my ARCA falling in love and usually you know as many human beings hear you fall in love in those first few weeks or months you if you stay up all night if you’re completely like you’re everything you can make love morning because that guy is actually not about the other person it’s about our own chemical dump in our body going off because something in that person that is triggered and when the drugs are stopping me it’s some it’s starting to look like you don’t touch me the way you used to do you treat me the way you used to it starts to look like the other person is prop and then after whether it’s after three months or 6 months or 9 months or two years whatever that was my power and then I would immediately fall in love with the next person so I can have that wonderful experience You’re My Favorite Drug high is a combination of love and lust just lust just love but if you put love and lust together you know that’s my heroin and so when he broke up with me in the middle of this Arc I couldn’t I couldn’t sleep I was just shaking this FYI girl this is not grieving this is withdrawals you’re going to waste all there when I recognize that fact I put myself into 12 step program for sex and love addicts anonymous American Airlines and they’re all so connected and juicy with each other videos of letting themselves go into this place of merging and high I’m having to practice Friday it was kind of like learning to be sober while spending time in a bar and it was hard my God that was hard and so I would have to work and work on my energy back but not being merged and it was hard but it created such a strong muscle so that now if I do he let you know if I’m doing a lot of killing four people if I’m doing Sexual Healing around there, I can touch their genitals I could touch their body they could be in a state of arousal and I’m not I’m not I’m not you know I’m not going to fantasize about that I’m available to hold a clear space for their healing that’s not about me and what I found is many many many people who call themselves doctors in bikinis and contracts and Country cuz for whatever reason they haven’t so when they are in those healing Simon’s with another person they ask to get very attached they actually are there on issues over the other person and can actually start to give pressure to the other person to be sexual and I’ve heard that over and over and over and over where he’s starting to give pressure like if you have sex with my badge or if you know you let me put my hand up your whatever you and the woman is not her pacing which is actually for her offense seeking Clarity from women Clarity that they never got from their mother Clarity that they have never gotten from their girlfriend and now they’re hiring and then wanting a very clear message pathway where they’re negotiating clearly about boundaries and boundaries are being held in there for something healing about the polarity and so if a country girl. Kitty says you’re in the first session we’re just going to bring together third session where I don’t you know we may never get to the genitals we won’t get to the genitals until the 4th he can relax Clarity with this woman and then she said to get excited by him and then she throws the boundaries out the door we can just go to this we can skip the three sections and just go to this right now he actually filled one day because she’s just replicated the same wording about the other women were unclear interchangeable so I think you’re starting to get a sense of me and my life to is that I’m really really drawn to where is there, where is there, in the body in the south in our ability to feel like our body our sexuality are our life is safe for us to be in and really I’m drawn to ask how can I support people to come home to their bodies in their lives in a way to three safe for them and very authentic for them and that’s that’s the kind of you know if we use one definition of Contra is the weeds that Hunter has a weaving and another way of saying leaving his illness is that’s the kind of from her that I’m drawn to is how do I support each individual to come into their holness and of course of course yeah that’s in my journey to you know how do I come into my home this how do I embrace all that I am including my desires in my Primal and my reactive the including my compassion in my Divinity how do I bring all of it in a way that is loving for me but is not harmful for others because this is also an issue that comes up in a sex-positive community a lot is your freedom freedom we’ve been so shamed by the culture region so limited by the culture I personally believe it that’s an immature attitude and that the child is struggling for three of the teenagers struggling for its freedom but when were an adult we understand we have responsibilities and that my freedom has to be limited by where my actions affect others so I may want to I want to dance and I’m a wanted flitter my music really loudly and can I have colored lights and it’s not fun for them so I need to either turn down my music but I need my freedom is limited by the fact that desire is going to create a negative impact on another human being it is not okay it is not mature adult to say I need this because it’s kind of my freedom we get to stay around the house with my you know music is so I would like to do that but as a mature adult that I need to collaborate with you how is it that work will you be out of the house like to just think when I’m single maybe they’re looking for a dump for relationship and I’m just looking for something really fun so my freedom when I balance my freedom with responsibility my freedom and my desire for Freedom my desires will still guide me but my maturity will allow those desires to be expressed gracefully and responsibly you’re getting a little bit of my soapbox here is that Peter Peter Pan not allowing themselves to mature and do I want to love my body I want to look like I prove that every single desired vanity I have to approve it I want to create a pro but there’s a difference between loving myself so whatever comes up in my little mind and taking action on what I’m thinking I’m going to give you different examples I had a question just really hard wanted to work with and I was 20 or 21 at the time and I didn’t know about boundaries I didn’t know how to really express myself and I felt very powerless in that situation and I would go home and I didn’t know what to do with all that anger really that I had towards her and I came up with a really great idea that I was going to allow myself to fantasize about killing her did I ever harm her no no I never I never did anything for me to kind of this place some of my anger and not take it out on her I sign up for the confusion of a sex positive culture between what I would call a personal fantasy something that I’m going to keep in my mind in my mind and display some energy by having it. Maybe would be really lovely maybe I have a fantasy And my partner’s at the time and I ended up going to a very warm ocean and it was the perfect fantasy to bring into reality this is what I have in some but I’m not going to mention I don’t want them to be brought into another example is I have a fantasy about rafting me at sunset in a beautiful blue silk down get this like sailing into the bay at Sunset and the wind is blowing in his hair and come to the beach and no wake me up in his arms and take me on the road back to the back to the ship in my fantasy somehow he’s able I’m walking along the beach with my dress never gets wet he gets to the beach he puts me in the rowboat we go back to the ship where are the ship and I never get seasick and it in real life I actually get seasick very easily I never even though he’s being great he does not get ripped and it’s now folded neatly next to us even though my back is on the wooden plank of the. I do not get splinters in my fantasy it all works beautifully but I’m smart enough to know that if I try to do that in reality my dress would get ruined and I be kissed I get splinters and that would not make me happy and I probably get seasick the wisdom of of the Amazon and and Beyond and so is that something that you have I just thought I remember reading somewhere you know or talk to you at some point about how this is so like you could be hired by the more formal above ground and sectors of social work or Community work with where you can be brought in to bring some of the stuff that would normally be or I guess it’s just it’s a very interesting Cutting Edge of an intersection and I if I’m not mistaken that’s that you you are like sort of partially in that world 2 of of social work or is that something I understand correctly or social worker social worker y’all are layout string this conversation back and see where where I where I am placed social work as well as all the modalities of counseling and healing you know like they are all part and parcel to supporting and upholding status quo capitalist system so I’m going to like you know like you know also having been in the punk scene also had a big impact on my my party now thought you know in terms of healing these wounds we have to look at that you know we can’t we can’t say like that are healing is going to be independent of a world that is reeling and suffering from the continuation of this system as it is and so that’s where I for me like bringing capitalism into the equation is is something that’s real tricky it’s something that I feel needs to be kind of understood that you know we we can’t just rely on having sting services that we can pay for because that creates a gap you know where some people are going to have accessible abilities to to the healing and others won’t and that’s that’s not healthy for anyone and and also that it doesn’t address the root cause of why we need social workers to begin with and why we need counseling and all of that so I really like the notion of cultural healing that’s where more where I would be comfortable in any way kind of looking at myself as any kind of healer I don’t think we we can really heal individuals that’s really something that you know a person will need to and it’s not like they can be facilitated to do their own healing work but nobody can fix us we have to fix ourselves that’s that’s more I think a more powerful Paradigm to be apart of but you know I I I have worked in the realm I focused therapy and you know I have spent quite a bit of time around the spirit plant medicines and seeing how the plant medicines have assisted and I do I do continue continuously work to increase my knowledge and wisdom around working with us plants and and that also brings us back into that hole realm of discussion around you know ancestors and working with them or perhaps that’s something we haven’t really touched upon but maybe she said it’s just that in any form of healing that we do I guess for me the important thing that I really try to bring into whatever I do connecting back with her ancestors and healing the trauma of how we were disconnected from those ancestors and how that plays out in any kind of sexual wounds or emotional wounds that we carry and so that’s something that I I I feel like the role of initiation and ritual can can really do and that’s that’s been its Province ever since people began doing patrols I think it’s to build upon the legacy of their ancestors and to draw and their their help and support cool said that yeah thank you for helping me understand the other parameters a little better and and 100% there with you I have I have been because I live in the United States where there’s different laws around no prostitution in in how that affects the healing with sexual touch and pleasure as medicine and stuff like that is a lot more yes I understand in in Canada there’s there’s a lot more interesting legal space in order to do Hands-On Sexual Healing work relative to the US where it’s completely off limits in so I because of that adapting to that reality and also is a permaculture designer myself I have to think very deeply about how to navigate this issue of for-profit healing work that kind of in most sectors is about like you said I’ll put in my own words it’s like they want to know if if the if you’re at a time of time robot that supposed to be producing a set amount to be a productive member of the of the GDP then then if you’re not functioning properly than the the goal of the mainstream social work or psychotherapeutic or psychiatric Fields they’re trying to get you back into the rat race as soon as possible and they’ll do that with drugs with talk therapy or whatever that is about avoiding through tissue which is the disconnection from urethane from a healthy holistic wild habitat you know a night as a primitivist I see that you know the solution to your Neurosis is to retry belies and Get Growing your own food again in and rebuild that fabric so you know there with you on that tension about right livelihood in and taking money for healing and what is he doing so I really like what you said and that just is going to it’s going to help me a lot looking at healing the cultural level and healing the if I’m understanding right and I’ll put a couple my own words on it but I feel like we’re trying to build the scaffolding or were trying to design the context for people to take the responsibility of a personal healing and gone to that journey and so if you if what would you say are some practical skills are tools from all of your things that you would teaching and training and a things that you discovered in your own journey to where you’re in power tools for empowerment that you suggest or are resources that you suggest people Explorer to if they’re called to do the cultural healing work weather for profit or non-profit. Some dance between the two or it and then what what are some recommendations for people who are on their own path and aren’t necessarily called to do the the cultural healing yeah I mean it’s it’s a pretty vast subject that one but I think that a few points that I could think about and talk about our that I’m going to this idea of bringing you back in the station rights and recognizing that in the absence of them what do we have you know we are we are sadly in there without initiated Elders so many of us and if there are any of Elders that hold that ability to to guide those those ones are those are worth their weight in gold you know there really is people that we should try to lift up and and give them their recognition and see you know and then in the absence of that it’s like we kind of by default Our Generations people that will have to hopefully fulfill that and reach a place where we can actually help upcoming generations to go in a way that they don’t have to completely go it alone and and figure it out on them on their own the way that so many of us have had to and so there is a movement around Rites of Passage I sit on the board if you passageways which is a network that focus is squarely on you no Rites of Passage for you coming of age from all different walks and and and modalities you know some of them are our Boys to Men oriented some of them are girls to women some of them are starting to incorporate non gender binary kind of approaches as well which is good and and this whole focus on bringing back the ancestors into looking at Rites of Passage is is starting to happen and something that I focused on and so that’s that’s a resource you know people can go to youth passageways. Oregon and look at what programs are out there and they can also think about how they can add to that list and bring in things that are needed around especially around sexuality and relationship which is often I noticed kind of a big gap in a lot of programs out there you know because they’re confined confined or constrained by the conservative values where they take place and you know what school system is you know this is one of those places lagging for that kind of thing so it’s a role that I think that many people who understand the need can step into and cultivate as career paths you know and some people are pig figuring out how they can weave their credentials says on Sexual Health Educators or sexual therapist or sexual trauma or no trauma-based therapists you know into this realm of initiation and that’s that needs to happen on a on an increased level the other I see a lot of because of what I was saying around looks really don’t how many Avenues to learn other than through you know what the books in the workshops and offerings around sexuality thoughts unfortunately are not rooted in in people’s only need two lineages generally speaking you know so the whole Tantra movement is pretty much so you know a cultural appropriator of New Age fight version of those Traditions that would have been squashed by Christianity especially and so I think there’s work to be done there and as much as possible Retreat retrieving reconstructing are reconnecting with our own ancestral Traditions which I’m sure you know had their own knowledge wisdom around how to how to raise healthy harmonious individuals with healthy sexualities from from the vantage point of how what little I do know has been has been done in indigenous cultures and without wanting to appropriate for them from them I’ll just give way of examples out of that you know in and certain cultures that are studied like the Mayan culture and I think to some degree on certain places within Creek culture there’s examples of how as societies you know that the children are raised from an early age 2 reach a point where they understand how to how to harmonize with the other sex and how to to look after each other and that’s just a very basic principle that I feel like you know that’s that’s worth kind of learning how to integrate into our family structures if we have children that were raising just to keep in mind that you know there is a need for them to learn skills around things like consent and around being responsible with with one’s sexual energies and and I needs to start before they reach that age of adolescence where they’re just harder to connect with if you haven’t built up that Foundation so that’s something that I think about will do you so if I if if we check out that the organization that you mention is it would that be good place to find and something like a more enlightened or more conscious like sexual education curriculum or guidebook do you know if people were working on something like that so if I know if you know parents who were going through the puberty of their child that they have something that’s not just this cold clinical Western and even though that sort of evolving a little bit you know with things like a sack didn’t and whatnot I see a lot but the The ancestral wisdom and you know the ceremonial Rites of Passage you know how does it how does the Modern Family say okay well you’re about to start feeling you know hormonal Energy’s how do we give you know create even if it’s just within their family or their Community yoga or whatever is something more than what’s being offered in the normal sex ed or what they’re listening in gangster rap music and watching on sitcoms obviously you know it’s enough for lack of lot of alternative options it’s one one place to look and we’re always looking for others so whenever we discover something then we will see to auditory resources and we are trying to vet those resources and those organizations to make sure that they really are you know at least there’s some some level of you know safe recommendation that we can give for those those organizations we’re not we’re not in the position to really kind of completely you know set standards but we are trying to we have a code of what we call it a cross-cultural protocol so we do look at that aspect that you have for what we’re talking about that’s you know if that’s another layer that we will hopefully get to eventually and I do know that there are people within our Network who are really strongly focused on this particularly around girls to women kind of education and and Rites of Passage and some of the Boys to Men once but I think it’s also something we need to to enhance as well oh that’s great yeah that’s that’s that’s what I wanted to hear so that I can just refer people to this ongoing and so and then the LSI is kind of its there’s a Facebook I’ve been interacting with the the Facebook group for a while so is that something you recommend people plug-in I mean that’s the goal of that is to feature blogs and generate discussions from those blogs and also to establish a resource of services as well as information and so that’s you know running on in a very limited volunteer capacity and so you know it’s something that I hope will eventually become a very powerful resource but already it’s you know it’s been feedback that I’ve received that you know even just the the group that we have on Facebook somebody posted recently. You know it’s really help them in their in their path which is nice to hear and I’ve heard that a few times and I try to curate that group in such a way where it’s like you know it’s trying to generate discussion and it’s it’s trying to be a safe space where where people can get into some of those I’m intimate revealing is of what what’s going on in their lives one of the things that kind of came out of love sex intelligence local as a connection with Tamara and the love school that they have which is a very congruence philosophy to love sex intelligence and they’re their work to try to create or with to create safe spaces for people to to share stories of what’s going on in their intimate lover sexual lives and and B witnessed in a way that is non-judgemental where they’re not being flooded with advice but more just being witnessed which is kind of connected to that whole framework for Rites of Passage itm witnessing each other and so it’s it’s trying to also look at how you know communities can succeed in their in their goals which might include you know like being more sustainable or being an alternative to the systems around us and also being a part of a more peaceful kind of culture through filling this hole that is often where things go wrong where people are are are not feeling safe to talk about these these human experiences around wounding around are our hearts and our sexuality so I’ve been part of a Practice Group here that has been circulating also to other parts of BC and I think it’s a really it’s a really powerful movement to be a part of yeah we’re getting close to an hour or so I have to take a few more minutes and I’m get a couple thoughts and feelings some responsible for 1 something that his is coming up for me that I think it’s really empowering is this like idea that wouldn’t it be nice if some of us started to think of ourselves as aspiring Elders I’ve never thought of it that way until this conversation and there’s a little spark of joy and me that that says you know puts in context the the punk rock lifestyle that I had of live fast Die Young and just you know if it’s not throwing yourself into the meat grinder of insurrectionary activism you know with this sort of Death Wish you know this martyr complex or whatever it’s like those are really unsustainable archetypes to follow and they leave a lot of people when they get to my age in about 35 like in a sort of existential crisis that will the revolution didn’t happen and I didn’t get killed I didn’t die in the gutter you know I mean what am I going to do now and it’s like well maybe it’s time to become an aspiring Elder and you know clean up your act and and then start to think about how you’re going to make it easier cuz I there’s a lot of things that I had to go through that I would seriously love to have no one else ever have to go through and if you know if we can live in that. you know that is what you’re supposed to think that I think of you say you know you can you can learn from the wisdom of Elders who have gone through and made the mistakes that you’re probably going to go through or you can just be hard-headed and learn all your lessons the hard way but I mean we’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons in the absence of the eldership but I think if we take on that there’s a yeah me too. It seems obvious but really the way you put it his medicine for me to think you know it’s a dignified path to be an aspiring Elder and then it makes you not be so how do I can help you defeat that that that grinding pressure that oh my I’m going to lose my looks and I’m going to lose my energy and I’m going to be in the state of deprecation towards death and that’s very much the greatest fear of the western manicured Uno photoshopped airbrushed identity like you’re not really giving any hope that aging will be of any benefit in here just marginalized further and further so I thank you for that serve very much still give that time sacred eldership dignity not a light title to hold I think the true Elder wouldn’t really feel comfortable in it cuz it’s defining attributes of an elder that is really one that can help that role be the best it can be is one that is is really accountable is really present isn’t so on the move that if you can’t you know be relied upon to be there for the people that it serves now needs to ideally be in the in the fellowship of other Elders to kind of keep it in in in check in a way like we have to watch for the Cole group kind of phenomenon where people you know place a lot of weight on that person and in a way that can privilege them in certain ways and also lead to potential like power distortions and things like that you know it’s it’s only human that people will make mistakes and so having that kind of accountability of other people and also that time yeah you have people heart or a different there’s always like in every phase of life with the lifecycle there’s there’s like the maturing phases and so there’s like you know there’s a baby elder there’s enough adult Elder and then Senior Elder and so it’s just we have to learn at each stage of Life how to become the mature version of what that stage is and says just something to think about as well and it’s good to to get your feet wet early on in life so that you know we can have deep roots and and the and those are the kinds of people to like in the Tamara situation out of the black community they have a circle of Elders who are basically people who have grown with a community enough that they know the people in their community and then they serve a role as potential kind of like the Matchmaker but you know in a way where people can approach them in and ask them like you know I’m interested in this person and they can help you assess whether this is the right time or what is a good or bad idea and you know they can kind of that. Whole courtship in a way that you know really I think I wish there were more of those people around here don’t you let me relax you know learn the hard way what does that we’re just not compatible certain people in The Matrix the I mean yeah I’m not I’m not a political scientist of the Matrix but I will say that what got me peaked on the ecstatic trance dance group ritual ceremony festival thing was it really when I saw I think it was maybe the second movie or maybe it was the second or the third but there was a scene where they’re just getting down to like Juno Reactor I think was a soundtrack of a butt there is something beautiful about seeing the different the warrior culture Guided by elders and of course there’s different the archetypes playing out in Conflict split that to me was took it further than then the Star Trek Federation is a futuristic Elder guided Council guided kind of reality so that was kind of fun but yeah so that’s what came to mind when you’re at we’re talking about that be so cool if you’re early sexual oracle’s who you go to you know if we’re going to give you insights and maybe even have name your child for you or something cool like that you know be so cool but right on then will I worry about at the hours so do you have any closing touch you want to share or any other resources or should we just I’ll post the the links that you mention and I’ll definitely encourage people to stay informed and keep an eye out for your anything coming up you have any appearances or anything exciting like that coming up you want to mention I think yeah I think I covered a lot of it and I just wanted to maybe plant a seed while I have the airwaves here about something that I’d I’d eventually like to work on presenting which is around insert Intercultural relationships and also decolonizing our relationships as well and just thinking about how how we can heal some of these ancestral traumas and use that has as as a means to strengthen our relationships and also our society right on I’ll be looking forward to everything that you’re you’re expressing in the world and I hopefully yeah maybe sometime in the future we can talk about skill sets for Beyond Christian monogamy that would be a great topic so yeah how would you feel about that maybe we can sometime in the next few months follow up with something like that. Maybe by the by the time I’ll have more of a personal lived experience to a base conversation around that I think you know in terms of people who are already I don’t know how many listeners here are on a Christian spiritual path without that many but if the energy and gnosticism and sacred marriage not going to the alchemical top in the in the Gnostic tradition but I I wouldn’t make any claims to be an expert in that area but it’s definitely something to look at cool alright then we will be in touch and will follow up sometime in the future and thank you so much so be I really enjoyed it and I know it’s taking us a while to get this to get this done but I think it was perfect and I couldn’t ask for anything more so you have a wonderful day. 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A Natural History of Demons with Laura Marjorie Miller TPP23

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laura-marjorie-miller-picIn this episode I’m discussing a natural history of demons with Laura Marjorie Miller. Together we compare notes on our experiential and theoretical knowledge of demons as misunderstood friends, and misdiagnosed foes. We synthesize ecological and esoteric epistemologies and attempt to lay a foundation for a modern medical and psycho-therapeutic approach to these diverse and elusive creatures.

Laura Marjorie Miller writes about Yoga, magic, myth, fairy tales, travel, photography, marine conservation, and other soulful subjects, She is a regular columnist at www.elephantjournal.com, a contributing editor at www.beyoumediagroup.com, and a public-affairs writer at UMass Amherst. Her writing has been featured in & at such publications and sites as Parabola, Seven Miles of Steel Thistles, Tripping, GotSaga, and MariaShriver.com. She is based in Massachusetts, where she lives with a cat named Huck.

Read the article we discuss “Why Feeding Our Demons Means Loving Ourselves” here: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2014/06/why-feeding-our-demons-means-loving-ourselves/

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design and ever more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin welcome Laura Margie Miller to this concert podcast this is episode number 23 and I discovered an article that you wrote on the air elephant journal and it was how is it why why feeding your demons means letting ourselves is that the right thank you I was very intrigued by that and it maybe want to see if we can talk and first I want to give you the opportunity to introduce yourself a bit and get some background on the different types of writing that you do and then we can talk more about your inspiration for that article and and maybe give us not to 74 s University of Massachusetts is a public relations Rider lot of different spiritual subjects had articles about yoga coming from my yoga background as you know yoga student in a yoga teacher and ask if I can also write about fairy tales mythology and but also travel and then I have another band of being ocean conservation writer so I have a lot of concern with the answers mysticism in nature and also I think ourselves finding finding ourselves in a healthy balance inside of that and no I’m a very eclectic Rider but studying magic and I love nature and I love to read and I love animals and thank you for all you know how do I focus it for for them but I take her concert punk you know it’s a contract like the other Indian philosophy that studies both like more classical yoga studies and then also tantric studies nurseries through and body through Hapa yoga so that awesomely I noticed your references to the buggy to in the article and and I’ve been studying that recently myself and discovering there’s a lot yeah a lot of missing out on for a long time in that in that work so I’ve been I’ve been looking for people to actually help really demystify and apply some of that that was them for people in in modern times who are struggling with different manifestations of everything from I mean to me it seems like every form of neurosis was kind of prophesized about in ancient times as a endpoint of mass demonic infection and then the back with me nor in the the Hindu tradition that was warned that we will be entering this Kali Yuga World age where we’re going to be in some deep spiritual crisis and be in his time of real disconnection from truth and rampant forms of what you know if your lack of a better word are considered forms of thin I guess which seemed to allow for more growth more infestation for these creatures that were actually referred to releasing the translation I’ve heard referred to as as they’re being different species of demons and that really piqued my interest and I think about someone alot of what’s coming out of this new psychedelic shamanic kind of Renaissance where people are going into ceremonies been having these massive sort of shamanic exorcism type healing event square foot face-to-face with what looks like a bunch of repulsive creatures that are somehow nested inside of their either their chakras or they’re sore then it gets most kennamer key is for the Wakefield what are we there’s a medical science has got got some catching up to do to these ancient pre-modern medical disciplines of shamanism and I’m seeing there’s a lot of parallels between these boots are Buddhism the the Tantra the Hindu Contra the Buddhist Tantra and where there is a real seriousness like to be taken about how about the existence phenomenological existence of these creatures not just approximation swear I think in your article you said you know the mythology is a map to the cosmology so do you want to give some article yeah so that it’s feeding feeding your demons means loving yourself I was using demons cuz you know what you think demons to be like part of ourselves that we have demonized so they were not externally Source coming into us you know they were part of that we created you know that we were saying about or parts about ourselves that we’re afraid of the basement or the dungeon and then because we fear them and we see her being what they are or what they represent and so so that is not too much like a different species like those are actually parts of ourselves and so from my article weird away from my article what happened was I was sitting in meditation and I can’t read this book to a friend back and I never got it back but it made a really big and for whatever reason Parts with me that I had felt fear of her felt shamed about and and for whatever reason the forms that they took in my mind we’re from the old advanced Dungeons & Dragons Monster manual which I had when I was like 10 years old and it was to get it and they were very familiar to me and they were like coming up out of like a hole in the ground and this is like a Sunday morning meditation I think it was like a weekend but it was really nice and warm they came up and I saw them like Anna Greenfield I was sitting out like on a picnic table and it came up and I like they’re looking at me in the sort of Starfall way and suddenly I realized that I had come out I was I was well I was sick of fighting my way out of a bad relationship in which the person who I was in a relationship was it has heard intuitive way of locating and me the things that I was afraid of being and he would say to me like he knows he did something that would anger any normal person and I get angry and he’s like you’re an angry person and I would because I was considering myself and I like I was on a spiritual path will nobody wants to stay I’m an angry person no one wants to be jealous person cuz that shows that your week and nobody wants to be an angry person so I would basically putting a tube sock over something it in my mouth is this kind of like angry person you know and then all of my natural things that were parts of me and like cramp in my anger down and taking it away from me so I was basically kind of like neutering myself in a way or decline myself and like but I was like you know the woman you know I don’t want to be too crazy of the woman that I’m not the jealous true I’m not angry like no and I realized it what you know I just tried to put all those parts of me away and so it wouldn’t even have like it because I was so afraid being those things and so what happened was you know that morning I don’t know if I was going to break up. Or it took us you break up but like it was like they just suddenly the team play In My Mind by then it was like felt them and I was like no my God you know know you’re part of me like what you’d like and then like I pictured myself bringing them to my that happened was they they weren’t like external malignant forces they were things within me that could become malignant if you’re not if you don’t acknowledge them you know if you don’t say this is a part of me and if I really do love myself I love all the parts of myself even the parts of myself that are gnarly or that I’m kind of afraid of and I think that that is being ugly and afraid of me I love them afraid of being jealous or whatever you know maybe I’m maybe no one will ever love me maybe I’m like you know awkward that little girl that nobody love and all these versions of myself into myself and I felt so much better and I felt the cement sense of relief and love and I was crying you know because it was for such sense of wholeness and try to make this clear in the article is Shadow or eating your Shadow but if it’s not a license to go run and treat people badly or making your morality your maturity to another level to where you know that you have the capacity for these things that you can make decisions on your behavior based on a whole self and not a split self you’re trying to be like and I think it also gives you a strength not to be manipulated it’s their stuff if you can contrive the dark parts of yourself nobody can ever use those parts of U2 to try to win one over on you I guess it’s like suddenly your whole in yourself and it makes you a lot stronger and it makes you feel better I’m feeling better cuz it’s internally source that was a lot I had to find personal Heather I wanted to have some photographs for it and he was just placed in this spring it took forever and New England pictures and we laughed a lot and it was hilarious because like I don’t know what this is what this says about anything cuz I was like big gaping like love the picture thank you so much for sharing that experience and giving people some inspiration to integrating the language and the visualizations to give people courage cuz it is you have to be brave you know how to turn inward and confront these truths and you also talked about the I haven’t heard the word pronounce e s c h o d how do you could you talk a bit about that and choad I Now pronounce it wrong because I’m sure that they’re like all took that and Buddhist people who are like you know on that he was like all over me but I try to represent it is accurately as I could from my memory of the from the book like the process of star cancer is Graveyard a she sings and then you give them what they need and they become after you do feed them then they become your allies but there’s something that they need from you they need your compassion they need you know they need your validation they need to be seen and at the moment that you’re able to do that it’s probably and showed it’s probably like a ritualised forms of the other salvation ritual container for it but that you you see what’s what they what they need and it’s I think it’s like a deeper and probably that’s why I to contradict a tantric practice because it’s sort of like walking you know with your feet on like both sides of you know so you can stay okay I’m going to go down into these dark areas and of myself or of the universe and and be in that area but not be subsumed you know there’s like a little bit of I think you have to be swamped by in a little bit to release interest rates for u.s. control to is that make sense in this exploration and it’s kind of a I’ve been saying this since I had my first kind of eruption of the experience of seeing that you know that I was in ayahuasca ceremony and was working through some trauma in my private you know domain of healing journeying in a group ceremony and I just kept seeing what look like things that look like mites or or spiders arachnids and ice in hand and I knew folkloric lie that these are sort of analogies that are often use all over the world the offending the things that are full for 1 minute. Forms are living biological and anatomical entities they’re they’re not the interesting that they’re just Shadows or energies is to is is like Stephen Hawking would say or has said that something from another dimension is going to cast Shadow into other dimensions that aren’t the same dimensions so there’s like an imprint or something where you can feel this dark say someone you’re out in public and you have a dog and like some person walks by who maybe it’s really obviously be shoveled and sort of obviously sort of state to be a creepy or maybe they are in a business suit but the dog fences that there is something attached to them or festering within them that is to be on guard against and and so that’s so in this Dimension we might perceive that intuitively in people who are more maybe intuitive we’re going to kind of feel some clenching up there going to respond to it on like a different sort of special or level of sensation and then some Clairvoyance like the ones they were hired in the pranic healing research for that healing modality would say oh yeah it’s in the auric field are these cloudy fields of Gunk that are just soooo pestering in within the chakras that through that enter through wounds and they look like cockroaches and here we’re going to sweep them out and throw him into into a bucket of salt water and problem solved and your limb can now grow back or you can walk again or if or you can have freedom from neurosis and these are like classic biblical types of shamanic healing set I’m just referencing the pranic healing research because it hits hits has been at a real value to me to be able to understand this and what you would probably appreciate and where I wanted to go with you know we having a back to you is is this idea that since you do a lot of work in in nature in your very connected with that with natural just being a picture of a naturalist that seems like if you could imagine my fantasy is that is that people get fed up with the pharmaceutical industrial complex and they start to read articles like yours and they say you know what we need organic some form of organic Psychiatry that’s not so destructive on her you know our organs and that don’t seem to just mask the problems that just work on the sentence we need to get deeper into a root level healing of this stuff and we need like naturalist to help us actually explore these other dimensions of reality and we need so like let’s say that you were given a major Grant from National Geographic to actually make these taxonomy use of these different types of entities that are going to yield results that look like what you’re describing from The Dungeons & Dragons cuz I was like yeah that’s exactly what I see you if you could imagine that there that they don’t ask him to give us like we were going to give you a cover story you got you know you got a whole feature to take this further into lifting vibration that I could very much see whole and identify with so I’m kind of a but that’s just for me just within the last few years so I got a lot of catching up to do to the people who’ve been in that world for much longer and I just want to thank you cuz if you’re you know yeah it sounds like you were part of the lineage that has brought this salvation into my house so I can thank you for that and give you that little bit of back of myself but so moving into the something that you you do some some work if I’m understanding correctly some of your professional livelihood work is is education sexual sexuality education and bringing some of these initiatory technologies that you’ve discovered into that world so could you talk a bit about what you do in that in that says space yeah okay so when we talk about you know professional or I don’t know like you know what we get you know how to identify the work that we do or place its values at what we get paid to do what we do just without being asked to get paid enough so a lot of this work I would say is you know by nature of what it is is in as I was saying before as in the marginalized safe spaces that are created through other things like Gatherings that are already happening you know I don’t have to go through that hole you know system knots wooden props judge some of these things so I think there’s kind of a harkening back to the way it was in that this kind of knowledge was safeguarded after contacts you know like a lot of the indigenous healing Traditions or however we want to call it you know how to be a sort underground and so I I say that’s kind of reflected in how we how I approached this kind of thing even though you know today will will will post the events publicly on Facebook and things like that there is still a ring to it that is about you know not waiting for us to be given our our approval by by Society you know we just know that it’s important so we do this and and so like I’ve been doing this constantly one of my goals that I set out of certain point was that at least you know once a year there would be a community gathering around love sex intelligence and the rest of the time you know we haven’t online for him but very important for that hole project has been and which we’ve stepped it up in the recent months to make sure that hopefully like every month we can do something is to to say that the community around learning about how to how to harmonise our relationships how to defend our sexuality into something that is you know how uplifting our spiritual path is something that needs to be done you know with with with more support and so that’s why it’s it can’t just functioning online capacity so that’s something I’ve committed to we have we’ve been actually our next event is focusing squarely on sexual initiation I’m pink resented by someone named ya Lila Espinoza is looking at how to tweeze mower practices that she learned in Peru you know have informed around healing and and then creating her own initiation but yeah I also you know as an astrologer I work with people and often it is around relating I’ve done a little bit of like you know support for people I think what happens is you know when when you become a central figure in any given Community people will come to you when they’re in crisis and this is what has informed my my the work that I do around you know Rites of Passage is responding to crisis from a place that seeks to get to the root of what is causing the crisis which in so many cases is that there is a lack of of support and people therefore will resort to self initiation just something I’ve had to do in my own life and and see it so much the case for some of the other people and there’s another psychological shifts that occur when people an emotional shift that occur when people feel a sense that they’re being held that they are being that they can fit they can let go and have a safe space to go into those wounds and begin working on them and of course it would help if we had a little more guidance and how to do that but thought comes over over time you know we have to work from where we’re at and so that’s something that I’ve been in in the my own process of of my own work around here figuring what those things are with those tools are and Tom yeah like I said I’m not an expert but I can at least Point people in some directions I guess what we’re looking at here is that there’s an underground space very intentional underground space that is more conducive to kind of freestyling or rolling your own ceremony and just holding the light and and letting those who it call who are called to it you know it would become integrated into keep it at the gala Therrien and flowing so that you don’t have cult of personality and politics and all of the scenester Hipster things coming in and that’s always up in it and he has to be on guard against and whatnot so I see there’s that unfoldment in that development and then there’s people who are also working like stay in the social work field who are informing their peers and colleagues in those sectors with these Neo shamanic techniques or nonviolent communication or your where it’s legal and accessible and permissible you know legally again to be able to put people on amor I guess like prisons prison you Lila has a very and I’ve done some I interviewed her in the past and I’m a big fan of what she’s doing and I know she has a strong background in clinical social work and is feeding back into that sector the wisdom of of the Amazon and and Beyond and so is that something that you have I just thought I remember reading somewhere you know or talk to you at some point about how this is this is like you could be hired by the more formal above ground and sectors of social work or Community work with where you can be brought in to bring some of the stuff that would normally be or I guess it’s just that it’s a very interesting Cutting Edge of an intersection and I if I’m not mistaken that’s that you you are like sort of partially in that world 2 of of social work or is that something I understand correctly yeah I’ll I will string this conversation back and see where where I where I am placed social work as well as all the modalities of counseling and healing you know like they are all part and parcel to supporting and upholding status quo capitalist system so I’m going to like you know like you know also haven’t been in the punk scene also had a big enough impact on my my party now 13 m in terms of healing these wounds we have to look at that and I we can’t we can’t say like that are healing is going to be independent of the world that is reeling and suffering from the continuation of this system as it is and so that’s where for me like bringing capitalism into the equation is is something that’s real tricky it’s something that I feel needs to be kind of understood. You know we we can’t just rely on having sting services that we can pay for because that creates a gap you know where some people are going to have accessible abilities to to the healing and others won’t and that’s that’s not healthy for anyone and and also that it doesn’t address the root cause of why we need social workers to begin with and why we need counseling and all of that so I really like the notion of cultural healing that’s where more where I would be comfortable in any way kind of looking at myself as any kind of healer I don’t think we we can really heal individuals that’s really something that you know a person will need to and it’s not like they can be facilitated to do their own healing work but nobody can fix us we have to fix ourselves that’s that’s more I think a more powerful Paradigm to be apart of but you know I I I have worked in the realm of I focused therapy and you know I have spent quite a bit of time around the spirit plant medicines and seeing how the plant medicines have assisted and I do I do continue continuously work to increase my knowledge and wisdom around working with us plants and and that also brings us back into that hole realm of discussion around you know ancestors and working with them or perhaps that’s something we haven’t really touched upon but maybe she said it’s just that in any form of healing that we do I guess for me the important thing that I really try to bring into whatever I do connecting back with her ancestors and healing the trauma of how we were disconnected from those ancestors and how that plays out in any kind of sexual wounds or emotional wounds that we carry and so that’s something that I I I feel like the role of initiation and ritual can can really do and that’s that’s been its Province ever since people began doing patrols I think it’s to build upon the legacy of their ancestors and to draw and their their help and support cool said that yeah thank you for helping me understand the other parameters a little better and and 100% there with you I have I have been because I live in the United States where there’s different laws around no prostitution in in how that affects the healing with sexual touch and pleasure as medicine and stuff like that is a lot more yes I understand in in Canada there’s there’s a lot more interesting legal space in order to do Hands-On Sexual Healing work relative to the US where it’s completely off limits in so I because of that adapting to that reality and also is a permaculture designer myself I have to think very deeply about how to navigate this issue of for-profit healing work that kind of in most sectors is about like you said I’ll put in my own words it’s like they want to know if if the if you’re at a time of time robot that supposed to be producing a set amount to be a productive member of the of the GDP then then if you’re not functioning properly than the the goal of the mainstream social work or psychotherapeutic or psychiatric Fields they’re trying to get you back into the rat race as soon as possible and they’ll do that with drugs with talk therapy or whatever that is about avoiding through tissue which is the disconnection from urethane from a healthy holistic wild habitat you know a night as a primitivist I see that you know the solution to your Neurosis is to retry belies and Get Growing your own food again in and rebuild that fabric so you know there with you on that tension about right livelihood in and taking money for healing and what is he doing so I really like what you said and that just is going to it’s going to help me a lot looking at healing the cultural level and healing the if I’m understanding right and I’ll put a couple my own words on it but I feel like we’re trying to build the scaffolding or were trying to design the context for people to take the responsibility of a personal healing and gone to that journey and so if you if what would you say are some practical skills are tools from all of your things that you would teaching and training and a things that you discovered in your own journey to where you’re in power tools for empowerment that you suggest or are resources that you suggest people Explorer to if they’re called to do the cultural healing work weather for profit or non-profit. Some dance between the two or it and then what what are some recommendations for people who are on their own path and aren’t necessarily called to do the the cultural healing yeah I mean it’s it’s a pretty vast subject that one but I think that a few points that I could think about and talk about our that I’m going to this idea of bringing you back in the station rights and recognizing that in the absence of them what do we have you know we are we are sadly in there without initiated Elders so many of us and if there are any of Elders that hold that ability to to guide those those ones are those are worth their weight in gold you know there really is people that we should try to lift up and and give them their recognition and see you know and then in the absence of that it’s like we kind of by default Our Generations people that will have to hopefully fulfill that and reach a place where we can actually help upcoming generations to go in a way that they don’t have to completely go it alone and and figure it out on them on their own the way that so many of us have had to and so there is a movement around Rites of Passage I sit on the board if you passageways which is a network that focus is squarely on you no Rites of Passage for you coming of age from all different walks and and and modalities you know some of them are our Boys to Men oriented some of them are girls to women some of them are starting to incorporate non gender binary kind of approaches as well which is good and and this whole focus on bringing back the ancestors into looking at Rites of Passage is is starting to happen and something that I focused on and so that’s that’s a resource you know people can go to youth passageways. Oregon and look at what programs are out there and they can also think about how they can add to that list and bring in things that are needed around especially around sexuality and relationship which is often I noticed kind of a big gap in a lot of programs out there you know because they’re confined confined or constrained by the conservative values where they take place and you know what school system is you know this is one of those places lagging for that kind of thing so it’s a role that I think that many people who understand the need can step into and cultivate as career paths you know and some people are pig figuring out how they can weave their credentials says on Sexual Health Educators or sexual therapist or sexual trauma or no trauma-based therapists you know into this realm of initiation and that’s that needs to happen on a on an increased level the other I see a lot of because of what I was saying around looks really don’t how many Avenues to learn other than through you know what the books in the workshops and offerings around sexuality thoughts unfortunately are not rooted in in people’s only need two lineages generally speaking you know so the whole Tantra movement is pretty much so you know a cultural appropriator of New Age fight version of those Traditions that would have been squashed by Christianity especially and so I think there’s work to be done there and as much as possible Retreat retrieving reconstructing are reconnecting with our own ancestral Traditions which I’m sure you know had their own knowledge wisdom around how to how to raise healthy harmonious individuals with healthy sexualities from from the vantage point of how what little I do know has been has been done in indigenous cultures and without wanting to appropriate for them from them I’ll just give way of examples out of that you know in and certain cultures that are studied like the Mayan culture and I think to some degree on certain places within Creek culture there’s examples of how as societies you know that the children are raised from an early age 2 reach a point where they understand how to how to harmonize with the other sex and how to to look after each other and that’s just a very basic principle that I feel like you know that’s that’s worth kind of learning how to integrate into our family structures if we have children that were raising just to keep in mind that you know there is a need for them to learn skills around things like consent and around being responsible with with one’s sexual energies and and I needs to start before they reach that age of adolescence where they’re just harder to connect with if you haven’t built up that Foundation so that’s something that I think about will do you so if I if if we check out that the organization that you mention is it would that be good place to find and something like a more enlightened or more conscious like sexual education curriculum or guidebook do you know if people were working on something like that so if I know if you know parents who were going through the puberty of their child that they have something that’s not just this cold clinical Western and even though that sort of evolving a little bit you know with things like a sack didn’t and whatnot I see a lot but the The ancestral wisdom and you know the ceremonial Rites of Passage you know how does it how does the Modern Family say okay well you’re about to start feeling you know hormonal Energy’s how do we give you know create even if it’s just within their family or their Community yoga or whatever is something more than what’s being offered in the normal sex ed or what they’re listening in gangster rap music and watching on sitcoms obviously you know it’s enough for lack of lot of alternative options it’s one one place to look and we’re always looking for others so whenever we discover something then we will see to auditory resources and we are trying to vet those resources and those organizations to make sure that they really are you know at least there’s some some level of you know safe recommendation that we can give for those those organizations we’re not we’re not in the position to really kind of completely you know set standards but we are trying to we have a code of what we call it a cross-cultural protocol so we do look at that aspect that you have for what we’re talking about that’s you know if that’s another layer that we will hopefully get to eventually and I do know that there are people within our Network who are really strongly focused on this particularly around girls to women kind of education and and Rites of Passage and some of the Boys to Men once but I think it’s also something we need to to enhance as well oh that’s great yeah that’s that’s that’s what I wanted to hear so that I can just refer people to this ongoing and so and then the LSI is kind of its there’s a Facebook I’ve been interacting with the the Facebook group for a while so is that something you recommend people plug-in I mean that’s the goal of that is to feature blogs and generate discussions from those blogs and also to establish a resource of services as well as information and so that’s you know running on in a very limited volunteer capacity and so you know it’s something that I hope will eventually become a very powerful resource but already it’s you know it’s been feedback that I’ve received that you know even just the the group that we have on Facebook somebody posted recently. You know it’s really help them in their in their path which is nice to hear and I’ve heard that a few times and I try to curate that group in such a way where it’s like you know it’s trying to generate discussion and it’s it’s trying to be a safe space where where people can get into some of those I’m intimate revealing is of what what’s going on in their lives one of the things that kind of came out of love sex intelligence local as a connection with Tamara and the love school that they have which is a very congruence philosophy to love sex intelligence and they’re their work to try to create or with to create safe spaces for people to to share stories of what’s going on in their intimate lover sexual lives and and B witnessed in a way that is non-judgemental where they’re not being flooded with advice but more just being witnessed which is kind of connected to that whole framework for Rites of Passage itm witnessing each other and so it’s it’s trying to also look at how you know communities can succeed in their in their goals which might include you know like being more sustainable or being an alternative to the systems around us and also being a part of a more peaceful kind of culture through filling this hole that is often where things go wrong where people are are are not feeling safe to talk about these these human experiences around wounding around are our hearts and our sexuality so I’ve been part of a Practice Group here that has been circulating also to other parts of BC and I think it’s a really it’s a really powerful movement to be a part of yeah we’re getting close to an hour or so I have to take a few more minutes and I’m get a couple thoughts and feelings some responsible for 1 something that his is coming up for me that I think it’s really empowering is this like idea that wouldn’t it be nice if some of us started to think of ourselves as aspiring Elders I’ve never thought of it that way until this conversation and there’s a little spark of joy and me that that says you know puts in context the the punk rock lifestyle that I had of live fast Die Young and just you know if it’s not throwing yourself into the meat grinder of insurrectionary activism you know with this sort of Death Wish you know this martyr complex or whatever it’s like those are really unsustainable archetypes to follow and they leave a lot of people when they get to my age in about 35 like in a sort of existential crisis that will the revolution didn’t happen and I didn’t get killed I didn’t die in the gutter you know I mean what am I going to do now and it’s like well maybe it’s time to become an aspiring Elder and you know clean up your act and and then start to think about how you’re going to make it easier cuz I there’s a lot of things that I had to go through that I would seriously love to have no one else ever have to go through and if you know if we can live in that. you know that is what you’re supposed to think that I think of you say you know you can you can learn from the wisdom of Elders who have gone through and made the mistakes that you’re probably going to go through or you can just be hard-headed and learn all your lessons the hard way but I mean we’ve had to learn a lot of hard lessons in the absence of the eldership but I think if we take on that there’s a yeah me too. It seems obvious but really the way you put it his medicine for me to think you know it’s a dignified path to be an aspiring Elder and then it makes you not be so how do I can help you defeat that that that grinding pressure that oh my I’m going to lose my looks and I’m going to lose my energy and I’m going to be in the state of deprecation towards death and that’s very much the greatest fear of the western manicured Uno photoshopped airbrushed identity like you’re not really giving any hope that aging will be of any benefit in here just marginalized further and further so I thank you for that serve very much still give that time sacred eldership dignity not a light title to hold I think the true Elder wouldn’t really feel comfortable in it cuz it’s defining attributes of an elder that is really one that can help that role be the best it can be is one that is is really accountable is really present isn’t so on the move that if you can’t you know be relied upon to be there for the people that it serves now needs to ideally be in the in the fellowship of other Elders to kind of keep it in in in check in a way like we have to watch for the Cole group kind of phenomenon where people you know place a lot of weight on that person and in a way that can privilege them in certain ways and also lead to potential like power distortions and things like that you know it’s it’s only human that people will make mistakes and so having that kind of accountability of other people and also that time yeah you have people heart or a different there’s always like in every phase of life with the lifecycle there’s there’s like the maturing phases and so there’s like you know there’s a baby elder there’s enough adult Elder and then Senior Elder and so it’s just we have to learn at each stage of Life how to become the mature version of what that stage is and says just something to think about as well and it’s good to to get your feet wet early on in life so that you know we can have deep roots and and the and those are the kinds of people to like in the Tamara situation out of the black community they have a circle of Elders who are basically people who have grown with a community enough that they know the people in their community and then they serve a role as potential kind of like the Matchmaker but you know in a way where people can approach them in and ask them like you know I’m interested in this person and they can help you assess whether this is the right time or what is a good or bad idea and you know they can kind of that. Whole courtship in a way that you know really I think I wish there were more of those people around here don’t you let me relax you know learn the hard way what does that we’re just not compatible certain people in The Matrix the I mean yeah I’m not I’m not a political scientist of the Matrix but I will say that what got me peaked on the ecstatic trance dance group ritual ceremony festival thing was it really when I saw I think it was maybe the second movie or maybe it was the second or the third but there was a scene where they’re just getting down to like Juno Reactor I think was a soundtrack of a butt there is something beautiful about seeing the different the warrior culture Guided by elders and of course there’s different the archetypes playing out in Conflict split that to me was took it further than then the Star Trek Federation is a futuristic Elder guided Council guided kind of reality so that was kind of fun but yeah so that’s what came to mind when you’re at we’re talking about that be so cool if you’re early sexual oracle’s who you go to you know if we’re going to give you insights and maybe even have name your child for you or something cool like that you know be so cool but right on then will I worry about at the hours so do you have any closing touch you want to share or any other resources or should we just I’ll post the the links that you mention and I’ll definitely encourage people to stay informed and keep an eye out for your anything coming up you have any appearances or anything exciting like that coming up you want to mention I think yeah I think I covered a lot of it and I just wanted to maybe plant a seed while I have the airwaves here about something that I’d I’d eventually like to work on presenting which is around insert Intercultural relationships and also decolonizing our relationships as well and just thinking about how how we can heal some of these ancestral traumas and use that has as as a means to strengthen our relationships and also our society right on I’ll be looking forward to everything that you’re you’re expressing in the world and I hopefully yeah maybe sometime in the future we can talk about skill sets for Beyond Christian monogamy that would be a great topic so yeah how would you feel about that maybe we can sometime in the next few months follow up with something like that. Maybe by the by the time I’ll have more of a personal lived experience to a base conversation around that I think you know in terms of people who are already I don’t know how many listeners here are on a Christian spiritual path without that many but if the energy and gnosticism and sacred marriage not going to the alchemical top in the in the Gnostic tradition but I I wouldn’t make any claims to be an expert in that area but it’s definitely something to look at cool alright then we will be in touch and will follow up sometime in the future and thank you so much so be I really enjoyed it and I know it’s taking us a while to get this to get this done but I think it was perfect and I couldn’t ask for anything more so you have a wonderful day. Take care and keep for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple every bite ecological employment for single mothers Please Subscribe and share your favorite episodes if you have questions or comments feel free to leave a voicemail at 818-275-1593 or email been at Contra Punk. Com Thomas Day

Designing a Tantric Future with Andrei Knight TPP22

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tpp-dreiIn this episode I’m joined by Andrei Knight for a collaborative free-style sci-fi/fantasy design charrette. Together we visioneer a variety of interwoven pathways to a tantric future that is rooted in permanent transformational festival sites that can flourish and overgrow the status quo.

He’s a meditation instructor, life coach, public speaker, tantrika, and transformational festival producer.

He began meditation training over 18 years ago under martial arts legend Stephen K. Hayes, and was initiated into the Diamond and Lotus tradition of Tendai Mikkyo Buddhism. He has also studied under Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi in Noda City, Japan, as well as the Dalai Lama, for whom he and Hayes serve as protection escorts and security advisers.

Bridging the wisdoms of both the East and the West, Andrei holds a PhD in Metaphysics from The Monastery of the Universal Life Church, and is certified as a Professional Life Coach by Fowler Wainwright International, as well as an NLP Practitioner. In 2010 he was inducted into the order of Hereditary Knights Templars of Britannia.

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Tantra Punk your guide to sexual Liberation healing and empowerment as a certified Tantra counselor and certified permaculture designer I’m here to help you grow spiritually sexually and ecologically my online and in-person counseling sessions and training programs are price to fit any budget I’m looking forward to helping you design a never more Divine Life Path please send me an email to Ben at Tantra Punk. Com and our journey together will begin hello to your beloved’s welcome to Township Punk podcast episode number 22 I’m having a discussion with Andre night meditation instructor life coach public speaker tantrica transformational Festival producer and he began meditation training over 18 years ago under martial arts Legend Steven K Hayes he was initiated into the diamond and Lotus tradition of tendai mikula Buddhism he is also studied under dr. masaki hatsumi in notus City Japan as well as the Dalai Lama for whom he and Hayes serve as protection escorts and security advisors Bridging the wisdoms of the East and the West Andre holds a PhD in metaphysics from the monastery of the Universal Life Church he is certified as a professional life coach by Fowler Wainwright International as well as an NLP practitioner in 2010 he was inducted into the order of hereditary Knights Templars of Britannia and filled the speaker to you and do you want to give a bit of background how how did you arrive at this point in your life to where you’re doing all this great work in the world being led my friend to another really not started out Consulting in the financial World coaching Traders I’m one more I realized it wasn’t the tools they were using it but the lifestyles they were leaving and in the process of been transforming my own life restarting various things like martial arts meditation alternative spirituality Tantra and I saw that these people needed coaching and much more than their trading techniques overtime started coaching them more and more about their lives and Lifestyles I got certification as a life coach life coach is an NLP practitioner and boy just more and more got into that side of it and Beyond just leading a normal life with many people Define a successful but adding in the energetic and the esoteric element where a lot of people don’t look and as you well know a lot of problems and successes both can originate someone more started going that route met a fantastic young woman who’s also a meditation coach we kind of traded techniques combined to techniques and that’s helped me know by formed I found a really effective way to work on each other and then eventually started working with it on other people and the festivals kind of grew out of that we started with a simple one day one night events and eventually agree to producing weekend-long 3-day Festival is now because it’s the same kind of idea gets the light out but now two more people at a time awesome and Ira curiosity is that did that evolve into a romantic partnership as well or is that she’s happily in a relationship with her boyfriend got married and no okay well we energetic awesome lot of people are surprised to hear that but yeah potential for that kind of dynamic could go either really well or have life challenges so I was curious if it did if that was the dynamic if you have tips for how to have successful co-creative relationships on that kind of plane but you really got to feel it out and it’s Unique to every circumstance and in our case we were both happy and her present relationships and yeah anything physical could muck things up with you we kind of already got past all that and went straight to the energetic so I really didn’t see much point in Miceli taking a step backwards and don’t feel like we’re missing anything that’s awesome I feel that there’s an interesting concept that I was turned onto not too long ago from a scholar of Dallas sexual Kung Fu and other more of Chinese traditional stuff and introduced me to the concept of what he called spinal puberty where he said that once you really get into these more deeper and take practices will you bring the energy you know how to pass the genitals been working with this creative life worth energy and to the other and higher chakras then everybody gives you more dynamism with all of your relationships you know plants animals family Divinity soil solutely people forget that we have six other chakras to play with and that is no understatement I had some really intense and deep meditations with people but some of some of my favorite are with animals or what’s Plants because they’re in that state already most of the time in a friend of mine said absolutely no say things like get everybody out of there like we went out to dinner once and she is like I’m sorry you know if you think I’m crazy but I like to make love to my food so can everyone put a little bit of intention into their consume me know from all of the pantry classes and workshops have taken in my life by far the sexiest one I’ve ever attended was one called conscious eating oh my goodness look at your food and appreciate it and smell it and hold it in your mouth for a while before you start to chew it and take your time to chew it and it’s so erotic I mean people that rush through their day and kind of scarf their food down I mean they’re still kind of missing out I was missing out for years and has the analogy of junk food sex vs Gourmet Stacks in life how you practice your craft how you do your work you can do it on a very kind of surface superficial get it done get it out of the way level or you can really take time to Lose Yourself and savor every single task friends that is the weaving of the energy to send Pink Floyd prison and even when you’re dealing with some adversity you know they’re so I always have something you know I pop a tire or something or you know even even has been times for my car’s been towed because I thought it was a for no Tollway and it would be ended up being a three or something and that would just stop and breathe even go okay I’m going to look around cuz some gift is in this environment and I’m not going to give up waiting right around the corner if you only take the time to look for it to break down once by the side of the road before the age of cell phones and it was a beautiful night for a walk I found out gas station was only half of my luck sometimes it’s blessings in Disguise and I remember I was going through a tough period in my life and a friend of mine told me and it’s really stuck with me I know it’s hurts but relishing the pain because it highlights the spectrum of what you can feel as a human just like you can take pleasure to its intensity so you know if you’re in an unfortunate situation it’s experience it’s a chance to experience the depths in the range of what it means to be human integrating the light in the Shadow with this world I know Alex Grey I watch this really amazing documentary where he talks about his just a cosmology that he expresses to his art and saying that he sees it it’s it’s it’s definitely a swirl with a great when it comes to the dark in the light so it’s really gets it on the Deep level one of my favorite people I got the photographs and painting on one occasion play music for him while he was painting on one occasion so I got a pretty magical tell me about your music that you Creighton I do mostly I do mostly mixing and producing at this point not too much composing that’s been the area has been focused on just we’re hearing stuff in other people’s music and really bringing it out polishing and making it even better that’s what I’ve really been enjoying and what types of music movie the most I mean I’m generally tend towards electronic music I started out as a rock producer actually every once in awhile we’ll do the occasional Rock Records still but I like electronic everything some things that make you move and dance two things that are really ethereal and take you on a journey also bring it up for me one of the things that we have been chatting about little bit just starting to chat about which made me excited to talk more which is it all kind of introduced the idea and see what you think about it since I’ve been studying Tantra I just I had the blessing of I have my first instructor being a singer and actress and a really powerful and really smooth and eloquent speaker in answer to him see if he would conduct the meditation ceremonies which I’m sure you got to know us as an instructor you have to develop the skills you can’t you got to really be an MC with it to get people to drop in and it’s and also you do they mail piece of you know the Richard bandler kind of found tonality stuff instead of just feel many things that have to hurt when they are really coming together they just you really go there and it’s it’s night and day with people who are kind of awkward with their delivery so I I had experienced you know early on as I got into was getting the Tantra and and and I was I always thought I was getting into more electronic dance music that the Pinnacle of the potential of Contra guided meditation would be for there to be massive sort of Festival scaled crowds dancing that were actually being conducted almost like a symphony where a country would be designing the Shiva Shakti choose choose an energy to resonate with you know all genders welcome to choose for this moment you know for this track or whatever we’re going to get in these formations and actually that’s what I’m not just having a yoga Workshop or two going on in the sidelines but for example the last one we did this spring Cosmic Carnival that’s pretty much what we did, Donna was her headliner who you might know he’s a very very esoteric Leo rented DJ makes a lot of his own music and definitely that element is present in it we actually meditated with him before he went on stage we had five experience meditation structures on stage and that’s exactly what we were doing one mass-energy working over the whole crowd while he’s going to his set well and so were you were you were all in sync sort of on the stage projecting the group field energy field that I’ve heard that’s what we do meditation technique is somewhat grounded in white pants ride comes from that tradition but it’s it’s very much about connection we don’t do have any chance we don’t stare at mandalas we don’t look at a candle flame cuz we found you know if you’re counting your breath you’re counting your breaths do not meditating staring at a candle flame you’re doing all the work not the candle flame it’s possible to get there on your own doing it that way but it takes years and years and years of practice what we do is very different we in this is why I took meeting somebody else to really kick it into high gear we going to the meditative State for the student and then we simply projected out so everybody can focus not on doing some technique but literally I’m sitting back and experience fan that’s the whole idea and when we do it larger scale at a festival we use the music as a carrier weigh so yeah we’re totally in sync with each other that’s what we’ve been training to do for more than a year now we thinking to each other than we just blast it out into the crowd over the music that’s awesome do you have you seen any effects from that people reported or that you observed anything particularly absolutely and the brats and depth of the experience really varies from Individual to individual those who operate cash see what’s and get right away what’s going on and you know they go into it right away and they help the crowd around them go into its others might just feel really good happier than usual you know it really doesn’t matter if they’re into what’s going on or not some can get a really deep profound effect out of it something just leave feeling better than they did before doesn’t really matter if they understand why right you know what this is this is really going in a an interesting in an awesome Direction cuz I feel like I’m I guess I went from a rock background specifically punk rock and heavy metal with your some of the I mean not just heavy metal but Extreme kind of metal and modern extreme metal I guess and and it took meeting a guy who had to turn me on to the 4:30 to trip and show me cymatics videos and unless you got to as a musician you got to take more responsibility for what you’re doing to people with your music Marilyn Manson Nine Inch Nails and then kind of me like why do you feel yourself with such painful negative emotions and then worked so hard to cleanse yourself out of it and when I looked at it that way I was kind of like that kind of music genre of music I want to relax at home that usually doesn’t come up any more you know it was the same with food I grew up eating meat my background is Russian so we need like three times a day and for a long time I’ve wanted to go vegan because of you know how I feel about the treatment of animals and also what I read about the benefits of it healthwise every attempt always fail tell a teacher told me you’re thinking of it in terms of what you’re giving up think in terms of what you’re gaining and that really turned it around for me neuro associative conditioning is Tony Robinson call it right or so she did in the totally are you running from Pain are you running towards pleasure it’s a very very different effect hell yes it’s very much what you’re gaining I remember when I completed my first month I’m like okay I did it I’m going to go celebrate grab a burger from Jack In The Box I feel terrible in my stomach I couldn’t wait for my body process at 6 contrast yeah you know once you don’t do it for political view you don’t do it for some boy or girl you’re trying to impress you do it for you because because of what you’re gaining not because of what you’re giving up write the whole $0.42 for 32 thing absolutely I seen cymatics of both for 32 and a for 4440 is of course how modern musicians tune there a and every other string is usually tuned on a ratio off of that a432 is known as Verdes a and it’s actually how they used to tune their instruments in the old days the Practical upshot actually is very few of us have heard a classical piece of music the way the composer intended it’s because they simply tune their instruments differently back then and the time attic waves there’s there’s a reason these things form these patterns that tend to resemble sacred geometry once you get beneath matter Einsteins the MC squared shows with his energy there’s energy and light was quantum physics it’s trying to solve right now this riddle of how an electron can be in two places at once you know because when you look at the world energetically as opposed to physically based on the Newtonian model it behaves very differently it’s not subject to the same rules all matter originates as energy energy is what holds it together under the surface we now know that only 5% of our universe is actually matter 20% of Dark Matter 75% is this thing we call Dark Energy you know astronomy and physics fully acknowledged it but the moment we have human beings start talking about energy people look at you funny like you’re some new-age hippie but we know it’s 75% of the universe less than 5% of physical matter so how does this stuff get shell together will energy behaves in waves and when waste cross each other to standing points and standing waves that are created and that’s exactly what these geometric patterns Flower of Life and sacred geometry are trying to illustrate Forest highway is intersected behave together and through these crafts cross points create what we experience is physical matter knowing all that wow you have a frequency that’ll take a pile of salt on a dish and form a really beautiful geometric pattern or you have a frequency that totally scatters it it kind of makes you think yeah I know I know I’ve experienced the effect has several websites you can go online where you can hear a piece of music for a few minutes at 4:32 and then suddenly they switch to 4:40 I feel every cell in my body is upsetting my there is definitely a difference and anybody who dismisses it as though it’s just conspiracy theory tried out for yourself experiments that were done on water with the different words and intentions projected into them and how it changed their structure that is a great analogy because you have water that’s taken to the point of freezing and held there so it freezes slowly as it absorbs the vibrations of either the frequency or you know the word experiments are the most fascinating because they show that sought has a vibration to a retention has a vibration to it that can be felt the reason these crystals formed the way they do growing out their little tentacles is here against are responding to the frequencies that already exists the subtle energy that underlies everything they form according to those patterns to those vibrations all right so good-looking that for me I said that when I had this transformation going into more sacred dance music obviously I felt a few things were kind of obvious on the surface for one guy after being a musician who is inducing bloody drunken lazy mosh pits for in almost 20 or 15 years or something like that was my contribution to the world not that there wasn’t beautiful things like people being empowered inspired and and sort of awaken to political Consciousness in and joining movements then different kinds of Eric wasn’t much and I’m proud to have been a part of that but absolutely it’s a good way to get a message across to good way to release frustration as you said it does energize people but there are things if you didn’t have that contrast that you would think they would be left to be desired so I felt like an imbalance you know if after all those years and when I got into psytrance and I started to move me and I started to just surrender to the Shakti in before I even knew I get from a tantric perspective what that means to to to to be a man that becomes graceful because he moved by Angelic goddess possession you know if variable way to put it to the energy it feels amazing and it moves you to be grateful even if you’ve never been trained to dance and it’s just clothes and then you see the different kinds of patter set patterns that emerge on the dance floor where people or completely just so melted into Bliss and there’s no hostility and everyone is sort of I mean homophobia is just totally melted away and everyone should running me over by Care Bears there is just like this beautiful beautiful contrast Jimmy wants to try to get into it and then seeing things happen like people winding up with like snowballs a giant snowball is winding up these massive love energy balls and just throwing them at each other hurling hurling each other and just feeling explosions of a positive energy and I really thinking while I mean I know a lot of people from the darker the more you know how to spell sounding music on Earth it just killed him so to the route they’re raping people and beating each other up and that really sorcerer the quick for me that this is psychotherapy it’s it’s like purging demons it’s incinerating demons it’s doing all of this all these different things and always different levels and and I really feel like the the potential of it is let’s say I guess this is kind of throwing outside experiments in in visions that I’ve had that I’ve just imagine maybe this can kind of kick off for a discussion of how let’s say we had infinite funding and it was in and all of the patriarchal dominator Gatekeepers and holders of of wealth and power we’re just to surrender and say okay we need we need to have a new age of psychedelic goddess worship that’s what’s going to save the world and let Susan find some people who have been working with this and give them the resources to roll this out as a solution to solve The World’s problems get the feminine aspect expressed through all Sexes and genders the feminine aspect guide some political and technological decision-making and let’s clean up some of these messages that have obviously are bringing us to the point of Extinction and how do we ice I guess one of the one of the things that I would launch as an initiative with infinite funding and then I’ll hand it over to you for what it what comes to mind for you and we can you know hospice idea back and forth but I wouldn’t I feel like the most compelling kind of one of the most compelling projects that I’ve had in my mind was to see the potential of taking all of you know the people who are really suffering the masses who are suffering with all of the neuroses the mass Neurosis that’s been induced by all of these toxic inputs into our biological systems and all these toxic and harmful and puts into our mental psychological systems in all this stuff and just began to create massive group exorcisms basically that are happening with trained like you’re projecting the sake of geometrical sound patterns and having the Angelic trained country cos and and healers from different traditions and being able to have these sort of massive immersive experiences where the people who just have not had mystical experiences and it had been sold these horrible products and it just suffered for them to be able to go through the gates into a festival and just be in this massive shock The Vortex where they’re going to get to Stout and transformed and then sort of initiated into and given you no training and tools and all the things I feel like the the transformational festival movement has been like a think tank or laboratory doing the research to retool us as the white blood cells for human going to be able to all we need now really is sentenced to get these Laboratories to just roll out and execute efficiently and not an authoritarian way not in a cultural revolution kind of love are you touched on a key element I just read an interesting quote from Buckminster Fuller he said you don’t get there by trying to fight the existing system you get there by inventing a better system and the rest just takes over on its own there’s a very interesting effect I’ve noticed as a meditation teacher there’s more people than ever interested in the stuff I heard I can feel energy I heard I can see energy show me people from all walks of life not just yoga types there’s definitely been an increase the interest and also as an instructor I’ve noticed we’re shifting people much faster that used to take several classes several sessions the vast majority of people were Shifting the very first session we’re usually doing it within the first 5 10 minutes so not only are more people interested but it’s becoming easier and easier to shift them into that space are you familiar with the Schumann resonance that’s the Earth the natural vibration of the Earth’s electromagnetic field cry right it’s been measured at 7.86 Hertz and it’s been by the way also a sacred geometry number and it’s been at that frequency for at least 300 million years constantly as soon as we’re able testing made-to-measure it’s accelerating the last three years it’s been averaging 8.6 hurts it’s been reported to spike a ties 14 so there’s a very profound thing but that implies that more people that start taking on this work and working to better themselves reach deeper levels of understanding within themselves in the universe around them the Earth is responding and as the Earth response more and more people become interested in it and it becomes easier to make that shift so there is very much and accelerate Tori feedback loop at work that’s been tangibly metric and it’s very very exciting the revolution is happening is happening without anybody having to force it there’s simply a better way that’s been discovered and I would argue rediscovered if if we look at history at over the long-term and not just as far back as Egypt or Mesopotamia I would say rediscovered we rediscovered a better way of being of existing of relating to each other and it’s contagious you know it is spreading the Earth is responding and accelerating that change there’s a documentary being made about this very thing I called the shift you can go on YouTube and see a trailer of it it’s starting to happen yes there’s chaos and turmoil and wars and violence starvation and global warming in the world but there’s another change bubbling under the surface as well you know turbulent times are turbulence because change is happening and the cool thing is the hundredth monkey effect what we’ve observed first in monkeys learning to wash their food and it’s very quickly spreading and becoming a species y practice to the experiments been duplicated in England with birds learning to take the Caps off of milk bottles from the birds far away off the island was starting to do it in there was no communication between the two sets of words the exciting thing about this hundredth monkey effect is you don’t have to change the majority you don’t even have to change clothes to 50% in fact what are observation of other species in nature shows as you have to shift about 1% of the population and then suddenly the change rapidly spreads and become species wife silence so that there is the darkness there’s those that you don’t want it’s listening to 432 and being locked into it all the time I heard in the UK the government will provide you a radio if you can’t afford one that’s how important it is for them or 32 are they they bury it in fiction but it’s there you know there is a message behind every great work of fiction there’s the frequency there’s the corn syrup they put in our food at the fluoride in their water a lot of people are worried about chlorine the good thing about chlorine is let let your water stand for half an hour to an hour at evaporate at room temperature fluoride is actually the more dangerous wanted calcifies pineal gland and a meditation it’s all about the pineal gland of proverbial third eye it’s in the direct Center of your brain know it doesn’t sit on the surface of your skin the way it’s usually drawn in people if you were to take a cross section of the brain front to back and look at it from the side you would see the Eye of Horus the Ancients knew all about this stuff the the Vatican knows about the stuff you would think in their Courtyard there would be a big statue of Jesus or across or something but there’s a Pinecone the pineal gland have a kind of the key to this Awakening and we’re putting fluoride in our water which calcifies it right so let’s let’s get into well if I can ask you let’s say said that you know you had this infinite budget and we’re pretty we’re pretty keen on a lot of what these obstacles are and what the intentions are of what say we can use different words for put the evil eye like I said there’s no reason to feel great hope and just feel that the transformation is happening and it doesn’t have to be at or tearing or violent it can be beautiful and and a design Revolution is kosher folks but he don’t like to say so the pope actually just recently actually met face-to-face with some of the sexual abuse survivors been tried to control them and how good for him and throw it up in the air asking God essentially acting as though he is dumb very puzzled about what’s actually going on which would be obviously kind of a whitewash your PR stunt kind of saying thank you for criticizing and what is he really going to do and it’s much worse it’s has to be much worse than then what’s being admitted to but I thought let’s stay somehow he could be reached because if he’s clips that question out there what’s happening why don’t know I have God’s not telling me okay well I can think of a few goddesses who are Mighty pissed off that I have direct communication with through my journeying who would love to have a group of people sit down with this guy and this is just sort of sort of drinking kind of like a like a comic book or something you know what this come to Jesus effective what it what if the men who are who have been putting all the control an iron grip of domination that’s really resulting in just more Pathways of of the worst types of of abuse to just to just take hold so from of people on this planet it’s if they did have some Forest bring them to their knees to surrender that power to the authority of the Divine mother archetype of a goddess you know what what kind of Justice would would be meted out and if it were to just say okay all the gold in the Vatican its going to the Psychedelic goddess worshippers because that’s where the answer is that they’re looking for so it’s so it’s it’s like you want to know what to do with all that power to figure this out I say give it to the people who are who are working to restore the authentic relationship to the feminine aspects in and let’s build the sacred architecture and the agricultural systems in the music and build build culture from that place of of restoring that energy and not obviously persecuting it denying it and it burning at the stake and and suppressing it restoring it is the key word of it’s It’s Not A New Concept here again if we look before Mesopotamia a lot of these ancient civilizations were made sure I could matriarchs typically based you know Toby actually restoring what Humanity has already experienced stairs are very great documentary you can watch it for free on YouTube called the great year that talks about some of these larger Cycles 13th 2026 thousand year cycles of which 2012 was apart a lot of people think it just flipped like a switch it’s actually a transmission that will take us through 2160 the transition itself takes time 2012 just kind of kicked off the beginning of the transitory state but you look at the cycle and you overlay it over history use you start to also understand the balance between the patriarchal Societies in the feminine base so we’re just completing the loop as as cool as all this stuff we’re discovering about ourselves on an energetic level and quantum physics about the universe around us is we’re just starting to scrape the surface of this is the very beginning to touch on what you talked about the societies of the future the festivals are kind of an experiment at that but in the end you know we’re still find supplies from the outside world we’re still bringing them and we’re still packing our garbage and taking it out ideally you would want a permanent intentional community that grows its own food instead of bringing it in that live this kind of Lifestyle full-time not just a couple of weekends out of the year and I remember reading one study like you would think primitive peoples with having to hunt for their own food or grow their own food build your own shelter farm near crossed that they would have no time at all left to enjoy life but we work a 40-hour work week 8 hours a day 5 days a week that’s study concluded you granted you would work 7 days a week but about two to three hours of your day would be taken up with survival matters leaving the whole rest of the day to explore Consciousness art raising your kids properly instead of popping them down in front of the TV creating things building things discovering things and there’s already models in the world we can point to there’s an intentional community that was started in the 70s in Northern Italy in the mountains about Turin they have now been acknowledged by the UN as a model of sustainable living they were granted Federation Ship by Italy they circulate their own currency now and not only do they live a better healthier life but some of the research that’s been coming out of there is mind-blowing they’ve figured out a way to communicate with plants the electromagnetic waves not only encouraged them them them to grow bigger and stronger and healthier without the use of fertilizers but they’ve gone as far as doing concerts with bushes and trees where they take the electromagnetic field at these plants emanate and a Amplified and translated into an audio signal that we can hear and have it work it’s just playing along with it answers given by plants as they are working on growing meat right now you know maybe you won’t be able to convert the whole world to vegetarianism but maybe you don’t have to maybe there’s a way to grow the meat without the animal that’s much more Humane there’s no consciousness that your extinguishing so it’s it’s really mind-blowing and groundbreaking and they’re called down on her which is the Egyptian word for city of light and they’ve got a website at down on her. Or check it out it’s really inspiring and I’m wondering if there were more budgets if more of these communities sprang up all over the world wow what can we accomplished and there won’t be any need to convert those that hold the keys to power now there won’t be any of them to really punish them they once enough of us do this still have no choice but to go along with it and the worst punishment you can inflict on somebody that’s harm someone emotionally sexually energetically is to open up their capacity to feel because once you realize what you’ve done there is no greater punishment needed going back to the example of when I gave up meat that’s what really sold me the day I got sensitive enough to actually feel the last moments of the cow was the last hamburger I ate I didn’t need anybody lecturing me or listing the pros and cons once you feel it I believe human beings are inherently are good for lack of a better word not evil I view it in terms of not so much good and evil but maintaining the status quo there are those who are in power who fear losing that power they live in a world of scarcity that if they gave up there if somebody else was in power they would have to give up some of their powers they don’t live in a world of abundance where everybody can be empowered so they’re their battle their Quest is to maintain the status quo they’re not necessarily trying to do bad to us they just want things to remain as they are because they like where they’re at Naturally but once there’s a better way that’s clearly better and they see they’re not giving up any of their own power of privilege by letting us coexist it’s it’s kind of going to go from there on it’s own I feel yeah I have a lot of faith in that Tipping Point critical mass Hunters monkey stuff out of food that you picked in the Gardens at morning than you do out of food that’s been sitting in a truck for a week yeah that’s the key that’s the key I think leverage point is to plus I have so much personal faith in Ben permaculture design I feel like it’s the electricity bill in motivation for each person by if it truly is a better way of life it’ll catch on and if it’s not we’ll keep refining it still we’ve come up with something that is so do you you probably I’m I’m really we really don’t have a choice by the way right we’re running out of time civilizations watching from other dimensions are planets which I personally feel like they’re certainly are as they’re probably gambling some of them are just betting on us you know your mining up your own planet and polluting it when you have a helium Rich moon in you know what constant fear of synchronous orbit and Tesla hundred years ago gave you the means to project electricity wirelessly yeah it’s this is the B on the eleventh hour and I hit my I think they’re probably laughing their Glenn cash you guys you’re so close I have this I know I had this I had this Epiphany I I wrote about it and I’m kind of developing it is an idea to just an entertaining thought experiment about how I can imagine a key leverage point which would invert the pathology of arrows the sexual scarcity that’s imposed on people that’s making them become addicted to pornography and and now younger and younger males throughout the world as the Internet connected world or having erectile dysfunction and inability to function emotionally or sexually with with actual human partners because they become so desensitized to sensuality and just completely numbed and actually just deformed in many ways through this massive very recent high speed internet which is relatively recent for and end up extreme just that it’s being one one monstrous disordered disease of what’s happening on the on the planet and I’ve been deeply researching this and trying to find a way out of this disaster in MN try to analyze where it’s coming from and I believe there is a way out of it, it involves us getting past sexuality as this awkward taboo Ray we’ve been culturally conditioned for 5,000 years to think of it either and something for procreation or something really really dirty to not talk about in Barrie under the sheets you kind of touched on it yourself to getting desensitized by porn because they think that’s what sex is pornography and sensuality are actually pull it off if that’s the goal of pornography is to get off this very little sensuality in that right as you know from tantric practice particularly Dallas practice that it’s actually anti getting off you try to prolong it as long as possible literally are Polar Opposites but getting people to the point that they’re comfortable with each other and with themselves and with sexual energy as an energy is it is really where it begins a lot of Contra as you know is it is not even involving sex there’s a lot of gazing there’s a lot of breathing that goes into it and most people the form of meditation we teach is an open eye gazing meditation I can tell you first-hand people feel really really awkward just sitting in front of a person and looking at them it may feel really really weird so is it any Wonder we have all these hang up to when it comes to physically touching a person being also it really could learn to interact together on a different level as a species we kind of have to go back to and start with sex we got to get over these feelings of awkwardness write this it the scarcity in the articles are completely artificially imposed illusion of scarcity about the food supply right that we both know and Buckminster Fuller if you know we can be a human success or we can be a success on this planet and all of the ecological mechanical means technological means or are here it’s the matter of overcoming the opposition will and having a political will to take back the those the power to defeat ourselves and also so I I send that to this problem of how people are denied like you said shamed and while we’re this this sexual shaming culture that’s been imposed all across the world know I see that the the effective it has become quite consciously in it while I was conscious right word but very strategically is a business model get take away their sexual sovereignty and then sell nipples and you know fragmented two-dimensional images of it associated with products and essentially bottle stick human sexual activity even to the point where you’re getting turned on by things that are not even real or things that are actually really harmful and destructive and then people are it’s now stuck and he’s extremely like painful and debilitating addiction Loop and I feel that if you look at its you know that the effective the entertainment industry and I guess where I’m going to where I’m going with this idea of Leverage points for how to roll out a transformation now that I feel like we have we have a more compelling experience for people as cultural read designers you know we have Shakti we have high Neil Novation we have better food better music on the frequency level there’s all these things that I think her are powerful medicines that are bit really do lyrics just really compelling and when we went when we can demonstrate I think through you know through sharing a beauty of these fees for the ancient rediscoveries I guess then the aspiration of young men specifically throughout the world to become essentially rapists and pimps that that’s that’s the most glorious aspiration thanks to the modern pop of the music industry and the images that are being projected and what they think sex actually is which is this completely you know lower chakra reptilian get it over with and conquer the next potential mate so that this final puberty kind of thing of look let’s bring I want to see the that’s why I made that music video that that you seen you know since this is trying to redefine the potential of our potential for people so they associate that the tenderness and the focus in the attention can make spiritual transformation and growth happen and that is more more valuable and rewarding than being cool or tough or having well you can’t then you can’t conduct race that you can only lead them to experience at the end once you experience the alternative set this really no calling back and it’s not just the males that need to be re-educated obviously it’s a huge part of it but the females also they are either ashamed of or freighter feel awkward about their power once once a female really fully experience is what it is to be a goddess is magnificent transformation that takes place but there are a lot of Hang-Ups to work through to get to that point with a lot of people it’s amazing as you do a survey how many women have never experienced an orgasm even more how many women in general are just not interested in sex or view it as something they give to their men as some kind of reward you know the whole idea of Shiva and Shakti and dual circulating energy has just lost upon people really and it’s every bit as much I think a re-education that needs to take place with the wind as with the men make it simple for people when I say things like normal so I think most of the things that are wrong with the world are the result of people not spending hours and hours and hours completely in awe of each other in the bedroom there you go and are you going Waking Life really in love with your garden in love with your children in love with your partner in love with your definition of spirituality begin take this agitated the hyper the hyper masculine female and the hyper masculine male are out there cutting down trees and will they help because they’re not horizontal with take it back if you find me any any any woman that thinks of sex is something they do for their man has never really experienced sex of any man that thinks sex is something they get from their woman has never really fully experience it but once you do once you realize there’s a whole other way to relate to people in to connect with people you’ll you’ll see it not just that you’re a man with the females in your life you’ll find yourself relating differently to the men in your life and the women will relate differently to the women in their lives and it’s a sign of relating differently to plants and animals that will be much more difficult to cut down a tree when you view it as a living Consciousness and not just something that is in your way blocking your view I meant that’s really where it starts the fundamental level just like you know they know about frequencies that’s why 4:40 is so prevalent and not for 4:32 they know the profound effect of it they know the profound effect that a reawaken the age of sexuality would bring that’s why they want us thinking of it only in pornographic or procreational turns the way you bring about that Revolution. Gandhi told us you know be the change is very hard to change individuals it’s even harder to change a society but work on yourself start with yourself try how you relate to your partner or find a partner that you can relate to in that way make your focus studying yourself take up meditation take up a better diet become more conscious of what you put in your body and how you exist what frequency of a vibratory rate you spend the majority of your life in take on that work and you will see you know my relatives see me at Family reunions feel like my goodness Trey you haven’t paid and I’m like would you like to know why her whole lifestyle little pieces on Dell make little improvements and they will inspire their friends and neighbors and if that’s really how these things start be the change focus on what you can change which is yourself in your immediate environment around you your immediate relationship will you have the mainstream which is now projected all over the world. Just say the music industry in Hollywood the image factory of what of what human sexuality what the potential is about I had a very interesting experience about a year-and-a-half ago I got to interview Oliver Stone Son I was also a filmmaker and he told me about the origins of the word Hollywood there’s a certain kind of wood from the holly tree that Druids use to make their wands out of and actually very many spiritual Traditions used to use to carve their sacred relics out of and it is the the wood from the holly tree apparently that name was chosen Hollywood so that people the people in power would remember that their job is not just to entertain or tell stories their job is really to cast and maintain the spell over people we’ve got these two extremes it’s like that the cancerous disease of destructive shallow disconnected sociopathic are the majority right now but their time is numbered that’s what the great year shows us is civilization goes through cycles and chest they are in power now they are the majority but their days are numbered so let’s talk at more about how ice I would say or I want to act as soon as you a question let’s see I know I have you know this. I have much less experience on the ground in the transformational festival seeing in N circuit than you do so I’m curious is is he okay you’ve experienced it send it on a totally different level because you you felt the profound effects of it right we’re still we’re on the same page and I have some there’s things about I guess it’s so complex you can’t really make any generalizations about it looks fake but I’m curious from your perspective it would say let’s say that is a huge influx of of capital came into being able to roll the stuff out because that’s a people are just so fed up and Andrew just willing to have a major change and they’re like bring it on as soon as possible you know we’re ready and do you feel like V this movement worldwide movement and again it’s very diverse but is it ready are there is there enough training within it enough discipline and training within it to be able to mobilize really effectively and actually bring let’s say you know the best time to do something is when you’re not completely ready for it if you have to go through waiting for the perfect moment it’s in a used to keep waiting I wasn’t ready for my first meditation class when my teacher plus me down they just inform me once I will by the way I want you to sit in on tomorrow’s class I was scared I would didn’t know I was ready to go in front of a group of people especially the kind of work we do on an energetic level the best time to do something is when you’re not ready because you will rise and you will grow to the occasion and as far as the influencing the people with money and power it’s happening I read a very interesting article concerning this year’s Burning Man festival the reporter was really down on the fact that it’s becomes a new Silicon Valley hotspot everybody was there through kirberg Sergei from Google the founder of Twitter they were all there and they had kind of their own Elite rich people’s Camp they Park their RVs into and around it so nobody could get in inside they had servants they had celebrity chefs cooking their meals they had air condition and this article was really down on the fact of hey we don’t want these rich, this isn’t the Burning Man experience they’re changing it isn’t the point of Burning Man radical inclusion all the time it’s not just people that are like you and hate isn’t there now about 10 billionaires that experience to our way of life and our going home really thinking about it well yeah yeah yeah it’s so so maybe the idea where one of these guys funds either an ongoing festival or you know closer to home or maybe even one day a permaculture intentional Community along these lines I think as a result of this Burning Man that day just got a lot closer in a lot more possible and I don’t view them coming out and hang out doing their thing as a negative thing at all because they can’t help it they took home a piece of our culture and lifestyle whether they like it or not no matter how much they try to insulate themselves from it right at least people have the money in the power to start influencing people and hey you know what I’m glad it was the founders of Twitter Facebook and Google and not say you know the chairman of BP because these people are that much more open to what we have to offer a lot about the internet being being the feminine aspects coming to life and wiring Consciousness and empathy and compassion together it’s all about in their own activity isn’t it yeah if their hearts are cracked open and they see that future and they realized it be it would say they are total egomaniac send and I’m not I don’t like to judge anybody I think everyone is everyone is either a psychedelic goddess worshiper or they don’t they have lived in your life yet that’s my only judgment from New York lottery tickets they are in their own way and you know while I don’t necessarily condone it there they’re getting a taste of it and they’re going to be touched on some level even if it’s under the surface and subconscious for now they are being exposed to it and that little by little and that Trend can only continue while we’ve been talkin here I just saw the nearly full moon come out from behind the clouds so Gloria site that took my breath away for a moment I mean there’s going to be you know even if it’s a moment to look up at the moon and appreciate where you are in your place in the cosmos people are starting to have more and more of these kinds of experiences where they haven’t connected the dots yet like you and I have maybe but don’t get there right now we’re filling them with ideas and with experiences and with things that are bubbling under the surface and their subconscious and before too long these things will bubble to the surface this brings me back to finish what we started with which is a ritual design this has been happening even though it hasn’t been by conscious design it has been happening I remember 10 years ago when we were looking around for a place to hold a moontribe we talked to a Native American reservation and then like so you want to get a bunch of people together to stomp your feet of Mother Earth yeah we totally get it of course you can use our land we were doing rituals back then or anything sacred right over people that got the deeper meaning of it even if we didn’t and they let us do our thing and be transformed subconsciously by it even though we didn’t know what we were doing on the conscious level and look here we are now now we’re throwing these music events specifically for the purpose of people getting together experiencing a different frequency a different vibration a different way of living of eating of relating to each other even if for a temporary piece of time now it’s intentional now that’s exactly why we’re doing it you know and one one thing that I’ve had asked of me people are like what you’ve had enough have a diverse background you know you make something EDM music and you teach meditation you know that isn’t that kind of a dichotomy of sorts and I keep coming back to Tesla’s flotation if you want to understand the secrets of the universe look at frequency and vibration all frequency whether you look at how matter emerges from energy and is held together whether you look at music whether you look at meditation even an artist painting a canvas color is a frequency starts the colors they choose to use and how they make some together in the end it’s all frequency in all we’re trying to do is raise the vibration through whatever medium is available to us there was a kind of a Heyday of this reclaim the streets this is before occupied way before I can pee but there was kind of a Heyday of politicized ravers I don’t know how much of it was supposed to say psytrance or what I don’t know exactly what they’re what they were jamming but they would do these amazing events in I know in different parts of Europe where they would have these amazing Street parties anxious shut down City centers and have massive portable Raves that they would just throw and talk about vibration and is that any different than what Gandhi did Martin Luther King when people would walk down the street holding hands singing their favorite songs write a dimension that has not yet been may be tested or explored but you’re you’re on The Cutting Edge of this and I’ve got some ideas for what could be you know what potentials are but I’m seeing I guess this is to backup a second I feel I feel that there is a lot of what’s happening is the unconsciousness of people feeling there’s no they don’t have a card opening experiences so how if you can structure put a little bit more structure not you know nothing too heavy but a little bit more design and structure and form with this conscious conscious sort of design design elements so that I mean cuz I’ve had experiences where it was okay there no one who left this ritual can say that there isn’t intelligent life in the universe be on this planet, you can’t say that there isn’t divine feminine energy you can’t say there isn’t Divine masculine energy because we just sculpted a whole massive like Palace of Otherworldly healing nurturing energy that took very good took the form of the and the textures of the emotions that were guided through and it’s just a whole journey we’re your kind of leaving a leaving this some tangible energetic sculpture that is isn’t it it’s more than just sort of seeing people Groove and kind of jump around like popcorn you know just kind of hit me kind of morph into some sacred forms and stuff but for the most part people to music festival artists in their own world and sometimes or kind of Link arms and square dancing dosey doe and stuff around which is beautiful and like I said I’ve seen people just sex throw snowballs of Love energy at each other but I I really want to see the future of you know with this idea that looking at the electrical engineering schematics of the ancient concert pooches and going well will you scale this up and you’re going to have your going to like he’ll the chakras of the planet if you’re going to create these massive and if you were to stay connect on different latitudes or different times and do some of those 6 p.m. it’s like they did with the the global meditation for peace you know what is the earth dance and stuff like that but they have actual Tantra ritual design elements in Mass Massachusetts it’s coming it’s coming if you look at a map of where all these pyramids and sacred sites are located on the earth be at South America Egypt Bosnia now they’ve discovered pyramids that are even older than some of the others they’re not placed randomly their place to bury strategic points around the earth and these are devices for amplifying human energy you know this before it has happened and it will happen again and I believe extraterrestrial entities more so than a possibility I think being alone in the universe is a statistical impossibility and that’s just on this plane once you add all the other planes of existence laugh our own reality the universe is of very very populated place and there’s entities watching us who are just like here again not necessarily evil maybe just Pro status quo you know they’re watching us with fear and trepidation over what we may become and the same time there’s entities that are watching us maybe even helping us were excited about what we are to become because it’s necessary to be evolution of the universe we we play a much greater role in this than we realize and it’s not just us intuitive as individuals that sucks as a species it’s our planet as an instrument that was designed to collect and amplify and send this vibration out right it’s not just change on a planetary scale that we’re at the precipice of this this whole planet has a role to play I Believe In the galactic evolution these are exciting times my friend the reason we chose to reincarnate during this time that’s awesome bro I’m feeling I can feel the energy right now in this last five minutes I’m just standing in a ball of positive check the energy getting thrilled thinking about this do you have sex I’ve ever had my full body energetic orgasmic blast-off Third Eye Activation and and if I want to just hand it to you if there’s anything more that you feel like you want to explore and how do you feel do you think this is I would say if there was a message I wanted to leave people with its don’t be afraid of the unknown I spent the better part of my life having psychic and metaphysical experience isn’t being afraid of them either think of it as thinking of it as something is dark and spooky or being afraid of myself that I’m come freak my goodness inside only started this journey years ago I I Relish in and now my business card says metaphysical professional why why hide it if you have been having strange experiences explore them don’t be afraid of them dive headlong into it don’t be afraid of your sexuality either if your current partner is afraid gently lovingly encourage them and if they still won’t change find somebody who’s willing but explore what you’re capable of as a human being Explorer your Birthright become all that you can be and not just on a physical playing you know Gaius monetary success physical fitness all that stuff’s important but my goodness explore your energy side we when we say energy we save visualized as if it’s something you have to imagine energy is very real very tangible we think of air is nothing that says two people sit in front of each other we assume there’s nothing between us but empty space and yet if air is such a substantial force that it can move a 747 from one side of the world to another energy is just as substantial just as important and it’s time we stopped treating it as something we imagined or visualize and really start exploring it with ourselves with each other and seen what it can do seen what we are capable of as human beings and as a species it’s time to really reclaim our Birthright and all this other stuff we worry about how to change other people how to create this Global shift that will, sweet just start becoming what we were meant to be you know what the destiny thinking about set me free samples by Contra from the outside about it it’s daunting to think how complex the ancient life spiritual life path in life style was compared to what people have time to Connery data books or maybe maybe get initiated by someone from a lineage but maybe not but there are fundamentals for the simplest thing for example and I’m sure you’re thinking about it because it’s just talking about the Federal Energy and Aaron and what time if you think is if when people just do one thing quit and on one another’s heart just about to say that funky sexual position to get to get into sit in front of somebody you really love and respect just look at each other’s eyes really gave deeply into each other’s souls and put your right hand on each other’s hearts and just try that for 10 minutes and see what it feels like that’s as good a place to start as any you will be amazed by what you experienced websites project www.fashionnova.com is our meditation school we lift our classes workshops Retreats and also upcoming festivals there and you can also find us on Facebook if you know if i p h e n o v i d e if you search for that our group will come up and you can plug yourself in and hopefully attend one of our events or study was one of our teachers or here’s an idea get a group of people together and maybe create an event in your city we’d love to come to you so much and will definitely be in touch to your pleasure been putting this magic out there all right you have a wonderful night to you too sir take care thank you for listening to the touch upon podcast please go to www.crunch.com and cook on the Donate button to help support the show in addition is to see me and if you want a podcast for donations will help establish permaculture goddess Temple 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